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Sat, 19 Jan 2019 06:06:20 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Cc: grehan@freebsd.org From: Uni Gaia Subject: FreeBSD on the Talos II; OpenPOWER in general Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:06:16 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 570A474AEE X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fastmail.jp header.s=fm2 header.b=owwATmGn; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=q/+VNwt5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fastmail.jp; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of unigaia@fastmail.jp designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=unigaia@fastmail.jp X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fastmail.jp:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; 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It seems clear that OpenPOWER, with its entirely open architecture & firmware, including OpenBMC, is the way forward. I was wondering if this is a perception shared by the FreeBSD developers? Is there interest and/or focused effort in bringing OpenPOWER all the way up to Tier-1 status? IMO this has been the most exciting hardware development in recent years, and a great leap forward towards truly free computing. From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Jan 19 18:49:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06C5148EE7F for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 18:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDE808FFC1 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 18:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net (cpe-45-49-178-220.socal.res.rr.com [45.49.178.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id x0JIcv97010247 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:38:58 -0800 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the Talos II; OpenPOWER in general To: 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rapidly improving. -Nathan On 1/19/19 3:06 AM, Uni Gaia wrote: > I could not determine clearly from > https://wiki.freebsd.org/powerpc/POWER9 whether FreeBSD works today as > a server or desktop operating system for this hardware. > > It seems clear that OpenPOWER, with its entirely open architecture & > firmware, including OpenBMC, is the way forward. > > I was wondering if this is a perception shared by the FreeBSD > developers? Is there interest and/or focused effort in bringing > OpenPOWER all the way up to Tier-1 status? > > IMO this has been the most exciting hardware development in recent > years, and a great leap forward towards truly free computing. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Jan 19 19:23:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8750F148FF0D for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E4F56A758 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from atl4mhob08.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob08.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.46]) by atl4mhfb03.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0JJN1KZ012233 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:23:01 -0500 Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com (atl4qobmail01pod2.registeredsite.com [10.30.77.35]) by atl4mhob08.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0JJMrEq002689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:22:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 16967 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2019 19:22:53 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 174.118.245.214 X-Authenticated-UID: dclarke@blastwave.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?172.16.35.3?) (dclarke@blastwave.org@174.118.245.214) by 0 with ESMTPA; 19 Jan 2019 19:22:53 -0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the Talos II; OpenPOWER in general To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <63b1530f-bd2d-99b8-8aed-69cc753c75b8@freebsd.org> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: <55cbf375-d396-5798-5134-2ff063df44af@blastwave.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:22:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:65.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/65.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <63b1530f-bd2d-99b8-8aed-69cc753c75b8@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E4F56A758 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.994,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.netsolmail.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[119.115.17.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[blastwave.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19871, ipnet:209.17.112.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(1.27)[ip: (3.27), ipnet: 209.17.112.0/21(1.75), asn: 19871(1.40), country: US(-0.08)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:23:03 -0000 On 1/19/19 1:38 PM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > FreeBSD runs today, with or without graphics, on the Talos II and is the > subject of very active work by a number of developers, so the support is > rapidly improving. For the sake of clarity is isn't tier-1 level and may not be for a very very very long time if ever. I should think the IBM Power9 platforms are a better place to look for a tier-1 level server platform but that will be entirely with Red Hat and very very expensive NVidia and even more expensive IBM ESSL libraries for research work. Dennis ps: yes the 'very' was used on purpose