From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Oct 22 16:05:05 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A31815E7FB for <freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.scarr@pm.me) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46yJHg2XdYz3y6g for <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.scarr@pm.me) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:04:53 +0000 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Phil Scarr <phil.scarr@pm.me> Reply-To: Phil Scarr <phil.scarr@pm.me> Subject: FreeBSD 11.3 or 12.x on IBM 9115-505 Message-ID: <B3B54E60-55FE-4B32-814C-EB1FDD1E8B9B@pm.me> Feedback-ID: AnDrjaQTA1mIrVwhEbJn-LrXpVWgkp5-ycaTfIL-MTxGUAlZPyisXimQB5plDXm-ITvR42cG8qwUhD6jMQpd3Q==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, T_REMOTE_IMAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46yJHg2XdYz3y6g X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; 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My guess was that the thing cant find the CD device or the path is wrong... If someone knows more, Im willing to try other things.. Gentoo Linux Livecd was booting up fine... Am 2019-10-22 18:04, schrieb Phil Scarr via freebsd-ppc: > Should either 11.3 or 12.1-RC2 be expected to work on an IBM POWER5+ > system? In both cases, when the DVD is booted, I get: > > IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM IBM > IBM > / > Elapsed time since release of system processors: 1 mins 42 secs > Consoles: Open Firmware console > > FreeBSD/powerpc64 Open Firmware loader, Revision 0.1 > (Fri Jul 5 04:15:14 UTC 2019 root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org) > Memory: 262144KB > Booted from: /pci@800000020000002/pci@2,3/ide@1/disk@0 > > \ > can't load 'kernel' > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > OK > > Any guidance? > > -- > > [Currently > Reading](https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/1740012?utm_medium=reading_link&utm_source=email_signature) > [Book > Cover](https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_destination/1740012?utm_medium=cover=&utm_source=email_signature) > [Goodreads > Logo](https://www.goodreads.com/?utm_medium=gr_logo&utm_source=email_signature) > [Get your own email > signature](https://www.goodreads.com/user/email_signature_instructions?utm_medium=gyo_link&utm_source=email_signature) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Oct 22 20:59:57 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647ED165550 for <freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46yQqv6zqWz4H69 for <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C7022EA94; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:59:52 +0000 From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> To: Phil Scarr <phil.scarr@pm.me> Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3 or 12.x on IBM 9115-505 Message-ID: <20191022205951.GA8910@lonesome.com> References: <B3B54E60-55FE-4B32-814C-EB1FDD1E8B9B@pm.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <B3B54E60-55FE-4B32-814C-EB1FDD1E8B9B@pm.me> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46yQqv6zqWz4H69 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@lonesome.com has no SPF policy when checking 18.222.6.11) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@lonesome.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.27)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 18.220.0.0/14(0.13), asn: 16509(-1.43), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.6.222.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC <freebsd-ppc.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:59:57 -0000 On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 04:04:53PM +0000, Phil Scarr via freebsd-ppc wrote: > Should either 11.3 or 12.1-RC2 be expected to work on an IBM POWER5+ > system? 11.3 yes, 12.x I am skeptical. I say this as someone who has run the similar 9133s for several years. (OTOH now that I have a Talos Blackbird they have been powered down for > 6 months.) The problem with 12.x is that there are two regressions: - one having to do with emX interrupts crashing the machine post-iflib-ization; - the other having to do with some kind of regression in reading values out of the firmware. I spent a little time trying to fix the former but got nowhere; I did not try to fix the latter. I simply stayed on 11.x. I have extensive notes around here ... somewhere ... if you are determined to try to get this machine to work. IMHO the Power5 machines are finicky beasts and it took a lot of experimenting to get mine to boot. (I never did get from-disk booting correct; FreeBSD does not have a driver for the on-board SCSI driver, and attempts to use 3rd-party SCSI or SATA cards were pretty miserable.) As for the CD/DVD, I don't think I ever got them to work. I don't remember exactly. Even at the end I was running everything over NFS. At one time, I was building packages for 11.x with one or the other of these machines; but, those haven't been updated for over a year now (and, my webserver is down). So, you would have to build your own packages (or contribute to funding my electricity bill :-) ) But at the time I don't recall too many 11-specific problems. The developer focus has shifted to P8/P9 machines, on 12.x but especially on -CURRENT. mcl From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Oct 23 11:33:18 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59D8176F06 for <freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.scarr@pm.me) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46ypCd3yHWz40wJ for <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.scarr@pm.me) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:33:10 +0000 To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> From: Phil Scarr 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MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC <freebsd-ppc.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 23:23:12 -0000 On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:11:41PM +0000, Phil Scarr via freebsd-ppc wrote: > I'm disappointed that TeamLinux is so much further ahead than TeamBSD > on this, but given the relative marketshare of each team, I can't say > I'm surprised. :-( It's more that there are not a lot of these machines are in private hands, compared to the older Macs and newer IBMs and especially the Taloses. My tests with Debian showed problems when I tried it several years ago (just as a "does this box work" test). AFAIK within FreeBSD we had a maximum of 3 people with IBM Power5s. mcl From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Oct 25 07:19:11 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA7E168901 for <freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic310-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic310-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.135.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46zwTT5lM0z49XY for <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: dhOTLb4VM1koGwSZYYvB4DJj5IUJqL8v_DYnIEua_BRKyf6BqRcy27Xji1RmRWe plaEGthYFn.doneqZcNZ_IhoeiNH.8lUPoOChOKT3dmAG22noNccn1SNJMa0eyDd.llHKGtVRKyv PLxGZ54JTqD6LBATy.OisSzD.SkDJ_5irBVVOsqylntHLJIFP1V07k_EOXcRLmQ4Zzt_.De7dxQB dj7WiQQ40t6NGfAdi6a4N2OnwUhiTt7OULSLDDlIbF2O1DMTZgfTRQXpAkwf0OvZZ5p4dhzio0yI kNk660p0TGq3a7CX7iLIHjU_o2oQrttVJodZVH0NSuM1KMVM8Y0HBs.GPJZhRV1QzZLBrvpwJpx_ xv5IMvubeiD1kubAhPzZwswoEa8l9R_7ijfyScWgNftUuNiyhGJjSyhUGKojRjXVqE47n7Xl1pAq 1SLUOO8QfqrgitqHMOj8rC6NbGGc3P6IhAN9CJgY7zyufH4i2NvKl1nvwNBLc9Ykc.M0BkL55Qqu ezfiU_opMEsGhKdNwtphtDeEps_5wngD0HQc8Bq8hfUvxmiUbQKrqowN6EojsxvH0Agfeok4zE9L .ObnuB5zp40QRlMlZ5zMsq_.ReWxElH3xWgzHOdaDWRGWbUB2eL4lfGrip.Lx5qDl2KOKXBDL9Wr Acxbp53sr2nCqJQkgZsCCl_rcYU8c09DwDExaBi8VTHyxIQkhlf2hE0kfQrIH.rf2Ejbe3Mui3.N NwStEquTFmFUVRcgTPDC3H1JM_uI6EnrGq9zfJirXliXeBLC70VoMoP1DyhfMyIGLmh_o6sWgT1a zg4C.INKe.um2eq2bweFdUbQ_BM9_YswTE6hBY3wAhkRHJvs8CElCnco1O3eXY7FokkRgT5tlk4r lpJk5abqxEa7HeHci3IwuboeAwuGUDDvYIU.5NvUOCdaTjs4TmLfkHr_R9U6zFw.mPYAhmDwEABx pvQXeISLslbyssoJLvKYnEgvs8jtYyZGoaJ5s1aJbIAkOvqXoj6wQYQYb9Bo3g7RaHBbF0leuzI9 tZEu.GJp1tZj732G4TcyheYTY7wqecBU.rmfOiZPocdovVeCNrhSE4LHKynRKRP44RugDMCQzy_M 8KVQzo9o_W36slnMHLY.ezNI2RZR0Uv247RBGjYekvRfWFzH.2G9fquEZVpfIAp9vk3qQLdNHDWr OpLYQJtYXs9yHSzwKcPpciq8y8B5BnNdFTI1RbRPZ38tljKi6pgK0FbsxC6bhz17Nz.iwcnS7icv guP2jxjVngFLS7hNA9Dk58RnyW.k2KVdrdLhPVO9no3xVwxRU2CB7VA0bS4hnRC1.topodsuDuZT AwjuMjRTqG2qhBzrerF5Dik9WqckqYHnr9LMKr00Jl_rSpKMrvAv2atYQXF18rNcP Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic310.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.79)[-0.793,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[123.135.6.74.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.11), ipnet: 74.6.128.0/21(1.46), asn: 26101(1.17), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC <freebsd-ppc.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:19:11 -0000 On 2019-Oct-24, at 16:23, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:11:41PM +0000, Phil Scarr via freebsd-ppc = wrote: >> I'm disappointed that TeamLinux is so much further ahead than TeamBSD >> on this, but given the relative marketshare of each team, I can't say >> I'm surprised. :-( >=20 > It's more that there are not a lot of these machines are in private > hands, compared to the older Macs and newer IBMs and especially the > Taloses. My tests with Debian showed problems when I tried it several > years ago (just as a "does this box work" test). >=20 > AFAIK within FreeBSD we had a maximum of 3 people with IBM Power5s. >=20 I had a vague memory that C++'s investigation for its memory model included power/powerpc and power5/5+ ended up special. Looking around shows "ISO/IEC JTC1 SC22 WG21 N2745" was revised to say: "Finally, applications that need to use C/C++ sequentially consistent = atomic operations on Power 5/5+ must adhere to the rules set out = separately." with those rules being listed separately in: = http://www.rdrop.com/users/paulmck/scalability/paper/N2745rP5.2010.02.19a.= html Looks like power5/5+ was a bit of an odd ball compared to the others. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Oct 25 12:52:04 2019 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3F11707BE for <freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org>; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phil.scarr@pm.me) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4703sb5TBFz4Th7 for <freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org>; 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TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.84)[-0.843,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[45.184.163.66.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (3.75), ipnet: 66.163.184.0/21(1.32), asn: 36646(1.06), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC <freebsd-ppc.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ppc/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc>, <mailto:freebsd-ppc-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:44:39 -0000 Just a comparison I thought was interesting. The comparison is in the .png's of the plots. I reference where to get the .png's. I reference two plots from a variation on the old HINT (Hierarchical INTegeration) serial and pthread benchmarks. (The variation's code uses C++17 facilities.) HINT and acpphint are CPU/memory use benchmarks (unless operated up into sizes that page to disk). Trials for kernel vector sizes that are large tend to make caches less effective. So acpphint's exploration of kernel vector sizes shows the related consequences. In the plots "higher is faster". The dark curves are the OverDrive 1000. The light curves are the PowerMac11,2. The blue curves are single threaded, not measuring any thread creation overhead. The green curves are multi-threaded, with 4 threads, matching the core counts, thread creation overhead included in the times measured. Four data types are covered: 32 bit unsigned (abbreviated ui), 2 examples of 64 bit unsigned (ull and ul), double (d). On the OverDrive, double is slower than the 64-bit unsigned types; on the PowerMac11,2, double is faster than the 64-bit unsigned types. For 32-bit (ui) the maximum kernel vectors size is limited in the plots, compared to the other data types. .png of the plot for X axis being the total kernel vector bytes for the median-timed trial for that size: = https://github.com/markmi/acpphint/blob/master/acpphint_example_data/acpph= int-OverDrive_1000_PowerMac11%2C2-threads_4-LP64-g%2B%2B_9_O3-libc%2B%2B-D= SIZE_large_fast_types-RAM.png .png of the plot for X axis being the time (sec) for the total kernel vector bytes for that median-timed trial: = https://github.com/markmi/acpphint/blob/master/acpphint_example_data/acpph= int-OverDrive_1000_PowerMac11%2C2-threads_4-LP64-g%2B%2B_9_O3-libc%2B%2B-D= SIZE_large_fast_types-time.png The OverDrive 1000 is generally faster for what the benchmark measures, other than data type double for single threaded. (The PowerMac11,2 was running a FreeBSD that was not built via gcc 4.2.1 but via system-clang used with devel/powerpc64-binutils. But the FreeBSD was [and is] still ELFv1 based. For the OverDrive, Cortex-A57 was directly targeted in the system build and the benchmark build.) For both targets: devel/gcc9's g++9 was used to build the benchmark, but in such a way to be using just FreeBSD system libraries, such as libc++ instead of libstdc++. The plots are from gnuplot. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)