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Message-ID: <20190519150025.GA49322@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3E8C88F1FD X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.82)[0.824,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtp.cmplx.uk]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.92)[0.922,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cmplx.uk]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.695,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12290, ipnet:2a02:1658::/32, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.24)[ip: (0.22), ipnet: 2a02:1658::/32(0.50), asn: 12290(0.55), country: GB(-0.09)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 15:00:28 -0000 This is on Lenovo x240, with original battery: $ acpiconf -i0 Design capacity: 23200 mWh Last full capacity: 17740 mWh Technology: secondary (rechargeable) Design voltage: 11100 mV Capacity (warn): 887 mWh Capacity (low): 200 mWh Low/warn granularity: 1 mWh Warn/full granularity: 1 mWh Model number: 45N1773 Serial number: 15895 Type: LION OEM info: SANYO State: high Remaining capacity: 96% Remaining time: 1:49 Present rate: 0 mW Present voltage: 12050 mV $ acpiconf -i1 Design capacity: 23480 mWh Last full capacity: 21520 mWh Technology: secondary (rechargeable) Design voltage: 11400 mV Capacity (warn): 1076 mWh Capacity (low): 200 mWh Low/warn granularity: 1 mWh Warn/full granularity: 1 mWh Model number: 45N1127 Serial number: 116 Type: LION OEM info: LGC State: discharging Remaining capacity: 27% Remaining time: 0:38 Present rate: 9312 mW Present voltage: 10829 mV $ Do I really have 2 batteries? Is this expected? Only battery 1 seems be charging and discharging, not 0. I found this out by accident - acpiconf -i0 was showing full battery, yet the laptop was switching itself off. Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 19 16:47:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D745015B2685 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-dmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-dmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AFA26BDC7 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 16:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at50.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hSOsV-0005Wt-4q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 May 2019 18:41:39 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id EGhY2000W4YLlkt0BGhYT1; Sun, 19 May 2019 18:41:33 +0200 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=O6RJhF1W c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=LdOS-ihWLqqIYUmjykEA:9 a=3MtPb0VNyDIl0HJ3:21 a=VZVHB97rANeC9AvL:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: acpiconf shows 2 batteries on a laptop? Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 18:41:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20190519150025.GA49322@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> In-Reply-To: <20190519150025.GA49322@jail0199.vps.exonetric.net> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201905191841.49980.dr.klepp@gmx.at> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1AFA26BDC7 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dr.klepp@gmx.at does not designate 62.179.121.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dr.klepp@gmx.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [10.65 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.emig.gmx.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6830, ipnet:62.179.0.0/17, country:AT]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[137.121.179.62.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.76)[0.763,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.at]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; FROM_NAME_HAS_TITLE(1.00)[dr]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FORGED_MUA_KMAIL_MSGID(3.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; IP_SCORE(1.10)[ipnet: 62.179.0.0/17(1.75), asn: 6830(3.84), country: AT(-0.10)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 16:47:44 -0000 Anno domini 2019 Sun, 19 May 15:00:25 +0000 lists scripsit: > This is on Lenovo x240, with original battery: > > $ acpiconf -i0 > Design capacity: 23200 mWh > Last full capacity: 17740 mWh > Technology: secondary (rechargeable) > Design voltage: 11100 mV > Capacity (warn): 887 mWh > Capacity (low): 200 mWh > Low/warn granularity: 1 mWh > Warn/full granularity: 1 mWh > Model number: 45N1773 > Serial number: 15895 > Type: LION > OEM info: SANYO > State: high > Remaining capacity: 96% > Remaining time: 1:49 > Present rate: 0 mW > Present voltage: 12050 mV > > $ acpiconf -i1 > Design capacity: 23480 mWh > Last full capacity: 21520 mWh > Technology: secondary (rechargeable) > Design voltage: 11400 mV > Capacity (warn): 1076 mWh > Capacity (low): 200 mWh > Low/warn granularity: 1 mWh > Warn/full granularity: 1 mWh > Model number: 45N1127 > Serial number: 116 > Type: LION > OEM info: LGC > State: discharging > Remaining capacity: 27% > Remaining time: 0:38 > Present rate: 9312 mW > Present voltage: 10829 mV > $ > > Do I really have 2 batteries? > Is this expected? > Only battery 1 seems be charging and > discharging, not 0. x240 has 2 batteries, one internal tht you cannot swap without opening the case, and one "external". > > I found this out by accident - acpiconf -i0 > was showing full battery, yet the laptop > was switching itself off. > > Anton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... 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I am running 11.3-PRE. Some questions: 1) If I put this in rc.conf: microcode_update_enable="YES" and reboot, is that sufficient to fix the problem or do I have to install packages, etc. to always get the latest microcode. 2) If I compile a new kernel at the appropriate or later Revision level will it automatically pick up the latest microcode and install at boot time/userland startup time or is there more to it. 3) Is this a necessary patch if I am running a FreeBSD instance on a cloud provider like (AWS, GCP, or DigitalOcean), or are they on the hook to resolve it in their virtualization environments? I am looking for a solution here that is hands off and automatically upgrade microcode as required. TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 19 22:03:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C61594294 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 22:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42b.google.com (mail-wr1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD2D80550 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 22:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id s17so12443122wru.3 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 15:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+yp86QqeoeiO4OF40t672VZ7FE4d42R4wp4zVcK3wpM=; b=DukE6mHjLAOfOUEa8i9w2T90ny7+ccH/p3mS1tYLRWQa60T9sWQ3Qp4ZWvykECjULI CKGOV0g9tI1Wucc25tpBy1+U0Xp9onnsWyXNOQKiXGRIfsLcrpWUpH724jXkanRFh3cG P8G7wVel3UaKkJsu6mDg8ljGw6hlT+voSNFX5YU3ysX7ou6A5fGtNfKIWQVACMxbr2NW GlIBLzUuZpE9Bq8vsj0OQYK+DeMFi04YF8UeUMzoDAqyWFLSxbzCoK/eSuTWncsfiuh8 iSpYTxn/8d+Jl2y1VumcyZk2Is6NnZfhtoAjIk+BWUGVXoczURUI1bnmPpVsl4GobTVc UsDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUuuo0VeKnFjfSUD7e3h3KLt8s7hYJLe74aWg2nEfEQhK41/Gcj wVoxweXHOyvOS3CSjDBKw5sABvu2Jzg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzD2ek20xaaa/LGy4Prq53bLavZV12GEVuGTOLBTYagAy8lYKtgrY81urJqD7FvnnvLniVd2Q== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f487:: with SMTP id l7mr44484331wro.127.1558303425741; Sun, 19 May 2019 15:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.121.235.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x9sm16434543wmf.27.2019.05.19.15.03.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 19 May 2019 15:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 23:03:43 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unclear On The New MDS Patch Message-ID: <20190519230343.4340af09@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0AD2D80550 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.884,0]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[191.235.121.2.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.52), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 22:03:48 -0000 On Sun, 19 May 2019 16:10:09 -0500 Tim Daneliuk wrote: > OK, so I have a confusion (nothing new there ...). I am running > 11.3-PRE. Some questions: > > 1) If I put this in rc.conf: > > microcode_update_enable="YES" You need to install the package devcpu-data or the port sysutils/devcpu-data. The microcode is then loaded from the rc.d script (as above) or alternately from loader.conf. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 20 15:37:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8031015B0674 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 15:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493B8838C9 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 15:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from guardian.ventu (host246-214-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it [85.47.214.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4KFb6vm045348 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 17:37:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host host246-214-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it [85.47.214.246] claimed to be guardian.ventu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Debugging base system Message-ID: <07ee9dfa-a219-eecd-6a21-968213de16f2@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:37:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493B8838C9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailserver.netfence.it]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.777,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; IP_SCORE(-0.82)[ip: (-2.47), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-1.23), asn: 30722(-0.46), country: IT(0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:37:21 -0000 Hello. I'm dealing with a weird problem and I'm trying to debug it with gdb. I'd need step into FreeBSD's own functions (e.g. printf), but I wasn't able to find how to achieve this. Is there any docs I can refer to? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 20 18:12:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CA215B4D60 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailman.tundraware.com", Issuer "mailman.tundraware.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 846A78BD01 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from chimpchange.tundraware.com (96-87-102-138-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [96.87.102.138]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4KIBFmw015277 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 20 May 2019 13:11:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Subject: Re: Unclear On The New MDS Patch To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190519230343.4340af09@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Tim Daneliuk Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:11:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190519230343.4340af09@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Mon, 20 May 2019 13:11:15 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: x4KIBFmw015277 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, timed out) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 846A78BD01 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tundra@tundraware.com designates 45.55.60.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tundra@tundraware.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tundraware.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: oceanview.tundraware.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.771,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ip: (-5.45), ipnet: 45.55.32.0/19(4.05), asn: 14061(1.29), country: US(-0.06)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:45.55.32.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 18:12:39 -0000 On 5/19/19 5:03 PM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2019 16:10:09 -0500 > Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> OK, so I have a confusion (nothing new there ...). I am running >> 11.3-PRE. Some questions: >> >> 1) If I put this in rc.conf: >> >> microcode_update_enable="YES" > > You need to install the package devcpu-data or the port > sysutils/devcpu-data. > > The microcode is then loaded from the rc.d script (as above) or > alternately from loader.conf. OK, that makes more sense now, thanks. What about cloud based servers like Digital Ocean FreeBSD droplets? Does microcode updating even make sense in that context since the underlying system is actually what touches the hardware? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon May 20 21:53:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D91593D7C for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 21:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com (tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com [209.67.128.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB29948CB for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 21:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from mail pickup service by tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 May 2019 14:55:40 -0700 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown auth-sender: mapsware@prodigy.net.mx Received: from 189.173.180.26 unverified ([189.173.180.26]) by tmsmtp04oc.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.95)[ip: (-9.18), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.25), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 22:08:21 -0000 On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 2:56 PM Martin Paredes wr= ote: > > El Mon, 13 May 2019 20:44:06 -0700 > "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" escribi=C3=B3: > > Oh, and BTW, the default route doesn't change either > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:34 PM Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH > > wrote: > > > > > Here's the output of ifconfig - the bolded line is the address from > > > the previous network, and the one after that is the address from > > > the current network > > > > > > Kurt: > > > > > > em0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 > > > mtu 1500 > > > > > > options=3D81009b > > > ether 00:0c:29:9c:f6:a1 > > > inet6 fe80::20c:29ff:fe9c:f6a1%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > > > *inet 192.168.1.19 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast > > > 192.168.1.255* inet 172.31.255.60 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast > > > 172.31.255.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) > > > status: active > > > nd6 options=3D23 > > > > > service netif restart You would think that would do it, but it didn't work for me either. I'll try again to make sure, however. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 01:11:09PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >What about cloud based servers like Digital Ocean FreeBSD droplets? Does >microcode updating even make sense in that context since the underlying >system is actually what touches the hardware? 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The computer has three 1.5 TB HDD's with GELI ZFS RAIDZ1: root@dipsy:~ # zpool list NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT tracy_p0 4.06T 1.34T 2.72T - - 0% 33% 1.00x ONLINE - I exported the pool per "Migrating ZFS Storage Pools": https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gbchy/index.html root@dipsy:~ # zpool export tracy_p0 Then I copied the raw USB system drive image to an SSD. The machine would not boot -- it appeared that the boot loader could not find the root partition. I booted the FreeBSD 11.2 installer to a rescue shell, mounted the SSD boot partition, and looked around. I found that /boot/loader.conf had some variables containing the USB device node 'da0', so I changed them to the SSD device node 'ada0': 2019-05-20 17:00:19 toor@dipsy ~ # cat /boot/loader.conf | grep ada geli_ada0s1d_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada0s1d_keyfile0_type="ada0s1d:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada0s1d_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" Somehow, I discovered that I also needed to move aside /boot/ssd/zpool.cache. Now the machine can boot from the SSD, but the RAIDZ1 was missing. Looking in /etc/rc.conf, I saw some variables containing the HDD device nodes 'ada0', 'ada1', and 'ada2', so I changed them to the new device nodes 'ada1, 'ada2', and 'ada3': 2019-05-20 17:22:00 toor@dipsy ~ # cat /etc/rc.conf | grep ada geli_ada1s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_ada2s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_ada3s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_devices="ada1s1 ada2s1 ada3s1" After rebooting again, FreeBSD could now see the all the drives, partitions, and GELI encrypted disk devices: 2019-05-20 17:15:01 toor@dipsy ~ # camcontrol devlist | grep ada at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada2) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada3) 2019-05-20 17:15:53 toor@dipsy ~ # geli status Name Status Components ada0s1d.eli ACTIVE ada0s1d ada1s1.eli ACTIVE ada1s1 ada2s1.eli ACTIVE ada2s1 ada3s1.eli ACTIVE ada3s1 2019-05-20 17:16:08 toor@dipsy ~ # ls -1 /dev/ada* /dev/ada0 /dev/ada0s1 /dev/ada0s1a /dev/ada0s1b /dev/ada0s1d /dev/ada0s1d.eli /dev/ada1 /dev/ada1s1 /dev/ada1s1.eli /dev/ada2 /dev/ada2s1 /dev/ada2s1.eli /dev/ada3 /dev/ada3s1 /dev/ada3s1.eli But when I try to import the pool: 2019-05-20 17:21:21 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool import pool: tracy_p0 id: 6957586590476290317 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices are missing from the system. action: The pool cannot be imported. Attach the missing devices and try again. see: http://illumos.org/msg/ZFS-8000-3C config: tracy_p0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas raidz1-0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas 8533131415900712652 UNAVAIL cannot open 11863649002236717295 UNAVAIL cannot open 16410494706036382010 UNAVAIL cannot open Following the 'see' link, STFW, RTFM, etc., I am unable to determine how to attach the drives. Furthermore, if I boot the original USB system drive and try to import the RAIDZ1: 2019-05-20 18:48:43 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool import pool: tracy_p0 id: 6957586590476290317 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices are missing from the system. action: The pool cannot be imported. Attach the missing devices and try again. see: http://illumos.org/msg/ZFS-8000-3C config: tracy_p0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas raidz1-0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas 8533131415900712652 UNAVAIL cannot open 11863649002236717295 UNAVAIL cannot open 16410494706036382010 UNAVAIL cannot open Any suggestions? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 02:55:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDF9159F0B3 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 02:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from echo.brtsvcs.net (echo.brtsvcs.net [208.111.40.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 555637094E for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 02:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (catnip [73.240.250.185]) by echo.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9694D38D09; Mon, 20 May 2019 19:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:1c2:1402:1770:8827:268e:2026:877b] (unknown [IPv6:2601:1c2:1402:1770:8827:268e:2026:877b]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D053B2D9C; Mon, 20 May 2019 19:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Unclear On The New MDS Patch To: Tim Daneliuk , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190519230343.4340af09@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Mel Pilgrim Message-ID: <17c04ae2-9b32-3cbe-93c9-819af21b4ff8@bluerosetech.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 19:55:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 555637094E X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com designates 208.111.40.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bluerosetech.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[echo.brtsvcs.net,foxtrot.brtsvcs.net]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.726,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.79)[asn: 36236(-3.89), country: US(-0.06)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[185.250.240.73.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:208.111.40.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 02:55:43 -0000 On 2019-05-20 11:11, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > What about cloud based servers like Digital Ocean FreeBSD droplets? Does > microcode updating even make sense in that context since the underlying > system is actually what touches the hardware? Short answer: no. Longer answer: Microcode updates use the WRMSR (WRite Model Specific Register) instruction, which requires ring 0. Intel and AMD virtualization both emulate ring 0 for guests by pushing the physical ring 0 into a layer only accessible by the VMM and faking it for guests so they can operate without paravirtualization. This is visible with software like msr-tools, where the rdmsr tool works fine but wrmsr appears to have no effect when run on a guest. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 07:12:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AD815A50E6 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59E0A80A6E for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 00:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re: zpool import -- state: UNAVAIL, status: One or more devices are missing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 00:12:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:12:59 -0000 On 5/20/19 7:17 PM, David Christensen wrote: > I exported the pool per "Migrating ZFS Storage Pools": > > https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gbchy/index.html > > root@dipsy:~ # zpool export tracy_p0 > But when I try to import the pool: > > 2019-05-20 17:21:21 toor@dipsy ~ > # zpool import >    pool: tracy_p0 >      id: 6957586590476290317 >   state: UNAVAIL >  status: One or more devices are missing from the system. >  action: The pool cannot be imported. Attach the missing >     devices and try again. >    see: http://illumos.org/msg/ZFS-8000-3C >  config: > >     tracy_p0                  UNAVAIL  insufficient replicas >       raidz1-0                UNAVAIL  insufficient replicas >         8533131415900712652   UNAVAIL  cannot open >         11863649002236717295  UNAVAIL  cannot open >         16410494706036382010  UNAVAIL  cannot open I found the solution: Reboot SSD. When the following command is issued (via SSH): 2019-05-20 23:46:22 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool import pool: tracy_p0 id: 6957586590476290317 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices are missing from the system. action: The pool cannot be imported. Attach the missing devices and try again. see: http://illumos.org/msg/ZFS-8000-3C config: tracy_p0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas raidz1-0 UNAVAIL insufficient replicas 8533131415900712652 UNAVAIL cannot open 11863649002236717295 UNAVAIL cannot open 16410494706036382010 UNAVAIL cannot open The following appears on the console: GEOM_ELI: Device ada2s1.eli destroyed. GEOM_ELI: Detached ada2s1.eli on last close. GEOM_ELI: Device ada1s1.eli destroyed. GEOM_ELI: Detached ada211.eli on last close. GEOM_ELI: Device ada3s1.eli destroyed. GEOM_ELI: Detached ada3s1.eli on last close. Suspect that some boot loader gives ZFS one chance to connect to GELI drives and, if ZFS fails, GELI will nuke the *.eli providers whenever the next thing tries to access them ('zpool import') (?). Look at /etc/rc.conf again for clue as to how to attach GELI providers: 2019-05-20 23:46:27 toor@dipsy ~ # grep ada /etc/rc.conf geli_ada1s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_ada2s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_ada3s1_flags="-k /root/raidz-geli.key -p" geli_devices="ada1s1 ada2s1 ada3s1" Attach them manually: 2019-05-21 00:00:11 toor@dipsy ~ # geli attach -k /root/raidz-geli.key -p -v ada1s1 Attached to ada1s1. Done. 2019-05-21 00:01:25 toor@dipsy ~ # geli attach -k /root/raidz-geli.key -p -v ada2s1 Attached to ada2s1. Done. 2019-05-21 00:01:27 toor@dipsy ~ # geli attach -k /root/raidz-geli.key -p -v ada3s1 Attached to ada3s1. Done. 2019-05-21 00:02:28 toor@dipsy ~ # geli status Name Status Components ada0s1d.eli ACTIVE ada0s1d ada1s1.eli ACTIVE ada1s1 ada2s1.eli ACTIVE ada2s1 ada3s1.eli ACTIVE ada3s1 2019-05-21 00:02:31 toor@dipsy ~ # ls /dev/ada* /dev/ada0 /dev/ada0s1d.eli /dev/ada2s1 /dev/ada0s1 /dev/ada1 /dev/ada2s1.eli /dev/ada0s1a /dev/ada1s1 /dev/ada3 /dev/ada0s1b /dev/ada1s1.eli /dev/ada3s1 /dev/ada0s1d /dev/ada2 /dev/ada3s1.eli Import zpool: 2019-05-21 00:03:43 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool import pool: tracy_p0 id: 6957586590476290317 state: ONLINE action: The pool can be imported using its name or numeric identifier. config: tracy_p0 ONLINE raidz1-0 ONLINE ada3s1.eli ONLINE ada1s1.eli ONLINE ada2s1.eli ONLINE 2019-05-21 00:04:30 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool import tracy_p0 2019-05-21 00:04:51 toor@dipsy ~ # zpool list NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT tracy_p0 4.06T 1.34T 2.72T - - 0% 33% 1.00x ONLINE - Easy once you know how! ;-) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 12:09:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957F315AC337 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: from smtp54.i.mail.ru (smtp54.i.mail.ru [217.69.128.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8744B8AFFC for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 12:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: by smtp54.i.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1hT3aJ-0000bU-SX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:09:36 +0300 Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 12:09:28 +0000 From: Igor Konev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Question about mount_fusefs Message-ID: <20190521120928.27f9ddbf@eeepc> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i386-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable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ailru-Sender: 0E30751D304317E67392F5E8851393D3A275B700D6EC6C8644C87C7304C9410CE04384D803389EDAA8A4EAAF923CD78069FCF6A8A56534A12136EBEEBF2577BC10508621CFB34FC1D181EFA588A3C4974D406836C34706035FEEDEB644C299C0ED14614B50AE0675 X-Mras: OK X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8744B8AFFC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.22 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.69.128.0/20]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[mail.ru]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mail.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mail.ru,reject]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxs.mail.ru,mxs.mail.ru]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.873,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.83)[ipnet: 217.69.128.0/20(-4.21), asn: 47764(0.04), country: RU(0.01)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[mail.ru]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47764, ipnet:217.69.128.0/20, country:RU]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[mail.ru.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mail.ru:s=mail2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[34.128.69.217.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 12:09:46 -0000 Hi, I use fusefs to mount ntfs fs.=20 And I have a question about the command line options for mount_fusefs. What does key -s mean? What is he doing? I tried to use it but without success. =46rom MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) SYNOPSIS mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] special node [fuse_daemon ...] -s, --special special Use special as special So for my case, I can run the mount_fusefs command in two ways: - mount_fusefs special node [fuse_daemon ...] - mount_fusefs -s special node [fuse_daemon] 1) $ mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 $ echo $? 0 $ mount /dev/ada0p4 on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) ... /dev/fuse on /usr/home/user1/mnt0 (fusefs, local, nosuid, synchronous, mounted by user1) 2) $ mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently $ echo $? 1 Ivan Konev From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 12:28:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C6215ACCF5 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 12:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 162E18B946 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 12:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560D02DBC1F3; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:32:29 +0300 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20190408 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20190408 X-Spam-Report: * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:32:29 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 15:32:29 +0300 (MSK) From: "Igor V. 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What is he doing? I tried to use it but without |success. | >From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : Finally, if special is an integer it will be interpreted as the number of the file descriptor of an already open fuse device (used when the Fuse library invokes mount_fusefs. (See DAEMON MOUNTS). I guess the key is ised in conjunction of another software doing any jobs over opened fuse device files. |From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : | |MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) | |SYNOPSIS | mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] | [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] | special node [fuse_daemon ...] | | | -s, --special special | Use special as special | |So for my case, I can run the mount_fusefs command in two ways: |- mount_fusefs special node [fuse_daemon ...] |- mount_fusefs -s special node [fuse_daemon] | |1) | |$ mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 |$ echo $? |0 | |$ mount |/dev/ada0p4 on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) |devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) |... |/dev/fuse on /usr/home/user1/mnt0 (fusefs, local, nosuid, synchronous, |mounted by user1) | |2) | |$ mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently |$ echo $? |1 | |Ivan Konev |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 13:56:47 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A5C15AE849 for ; 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I would like to do the same thing on my FreeBSD 12 machine. I have not been able to find any documentation specifically dealing with that operation. Can anyone direct me to some or provide an example of how to accomplish this? I have a 32Gb USB drive I want to use for this purpose. Also, what would be the best file system to use. I currently have ZFS being employed for the HD. Thanks! --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 15:01:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E8115AFDBF for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2422269F6A for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 33672 invoked from network); 21 May 2019 15:01:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=837e.5ce412e0.k1905; i=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=G2TMN18asdQWpu008fvj6eMqjwoBX+Lt87wdTqamppc=; b=QXA79hzfBWUnaHKrcU+5ThS/Lf88w9fi36QEEEwHL8FqukZdA4AI8L2OtBlwNJOMlY2npWGqqxKC6E0wlsjGMj4Cv9TanfBMkZGn48Q/2+iY7KRCDyABfg6l9wWUiXWxVJuEEJmATMjpfHGrRpjL1MKwuZnYERlIndYNQGUBKfBr1mMsAVkmy5cGFc3J66Aqq1nuUpy6ZPOBmJq/QQh0XcaXTWLQzWezF2JqbKWPJL9qbKHxqcLzAbgj2i3Atz6s Received: from ary.qy ([64.246.232.221]) by imap.iecc.com ([64.57.183.75]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, johnl@iecc.com) via TCP; 21 May 2019 15:01:52 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 01D8D20145C597; Tue, 21 May 2019 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: 21 May 2019 11:01:50 -0400 Message-Id: <20190521150152.01D8D20145C597@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB to increase RAM In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 15:01:54 -0000 In article you write: >Windows has a feature called "ReadyBoost" that can use a USB drive to >increase RAM. ReadyBoost uses an SSD as a cache between RAM and the regular disk. More details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost To do more or less the same thing with ZFS, add the USB disk as a cache device to your disk pool. Look at the zpool man page, and search for "Cache devices". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 15:06:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E9C15AFF58 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: from smtp58.i.mail.ru (smtp58.i.mail.ru [217.69.128.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BCD66A201 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: by smtp58.i.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1hT6LO-0000yq-3F; Tue, 21 May 2019 18:06:22 +0300 Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 15:06:20 +0000 From: Igor Konev To: "Igor V. 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Ruzanov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1= =82: > On Tue, 21 May 2019, Igor Konev via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 > |Hi, I use fusefs to mount ntfs fs.=20 > |And I have a question about the command line options for > mount_fusefs. | > |What does key -s mean? What is he doing? I tried to use it but > without |success. > | > From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : >=20 > Finally, if special is an integer it will be interpreted as the > number of the file descriptor of an already open fuse device (used > when the Fuse > library invokes mount_fusefs. (See DAEMON MOUNTS). >=20 >=20 >=20 > I guess the key is ised in conjunction of another software doing any > jobs over opened fuse device files. >=20 > |From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : > | > |MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) > | > |SYNOPSIS > | mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] > | [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] > | special node [fuse_daemon ...] > | > | > | -s, --special special > | Use special as special > | > |So for my case, I can run the mount_fusefs command in two ways: > |- mount_fusefs special node [fuse_daemon ...] > |- mount_fusefs -s special node [fuse_daemon] > | > |1) > | > |$ mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 > |$ echo $? > |0 > | > |$ mount > |/dev/ada0p4 on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) > |devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) > |... > |/dev/fuse on /usr/home/user1/mnt0 (fusefs, local, nosuid, > synchronous, |mounted by user1) > | > |2) > | > |$ mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 > |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently > |$ echo $? > |1 > | > |Ivan Konev > |_______________________________________________ > |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Igor, thank you for your reply.=20 I also tried to use the file descriptor number as an argument for the =E2=80=93s. $ ls -ali /dev/fuse 57 crw-rw-rw- 1 root operator 0x39 21 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=8F 11:40 /dev/fu= se $ mount_fusefs -s 57 ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently $ echo $? 1 $=20 My question is why "mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ..." works and "mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ..." and "mount_fusefs -s 57" do not work. Ivan Konev From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 15:29:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1176F15B0627 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90F9F6B10D for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 15:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from igorr@pochta-mx.canmos.ru) Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309612DBC0BB; Tue, 21 May 2019 18:33:21 +0300 (MSK) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-pochta_20190408 (2011-06-06) on pochta.canmos.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2-pochta_20190408 X-Spam-Report: * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] Received: from pochta-mx.canmos.ru (pochta-mx.canmos.ru [89.107.127.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by pochta-mx.canmos.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 21 May 2019 18:33:21 +0300 (MSK) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 18:33:21 +0300 (MSK) From: "Igor V. 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Ruzanov" пишет: | |> On Tue, 21 May 2019, Igor Konev via freebsd-questions wrote: |> |> |Hi, I use fusefs to mount ntfs fs. |> |And I have a question about the command line options for |> mount_fusefs. | |> |What does key -s mean? What is he doing? I tried to use it but |> without |success. |> | |> From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : |> |> Finally, if special is an integer it will be interpreted as the |> number of the file descriptor of an already open fuse device (used |> when the Fuse |> library invokes mount_fusefs. (See DAEMON MOUNTS). |> |> |> |> I guess the key is ised in conjunction of another software doing any |> jobs over opened fuse device files. |> |> |From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : |> | |> |MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) |> | |> |SYNOPSIS |> | mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] |> | [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] |> | special node [fuse_daemon ...] |> | |> | |> | -s, --special special |> | Use special as special |> | |> |So for my case, I can run the mount_fusefs command in two ways: |> |- mount_fusefs special node [fuse_daemon ...] |> |- mount_fusefs -s special node [fuse_daemon] |> | |> |1) |> | |> |$ mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 |> |$ echo $? |> |0 |> | |> |$ mount |> |/dev/ada0p4 on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) |> |devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) |> |... |> |/dev/fuse on /usr/home/user1/mnt0 (fusefs, local, nosuid, |> synchronous, |mounted by user1) |> | |> |2) |> | |> |$ mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 |> |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently |> |$ echo $? |> |1 |> | |> |Ivan Konev |> |_______________________________________________ |> |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |> |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |> |To unsubscribe, send any mail to |> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | |> _______________________________________________ |> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list |> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions |> To unsubscribe, send any mail to |> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | |Igor, thank you for your reply. |I also tried to use the file descriptor number as an argument for the |–s. | |$ ls -ali /dev/fuse |57 crw-rw-rw- 1 root operator 0x39 21 мая 11:40 /dev/fuse | |$ mount_fusefs -s 57 ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently | 57 here is not file descriptor number. Its i-node number (see man ls). FD (file descriptor) might be some number that we got as result of success call of some function, for ex. when we tried to open some fuse device for mounting purposes. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue May 21 23:40:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA24F1593A41; Tue, 21 May 2019 23:40:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from www.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3029F86D42; Tue, 21 May 2019 23:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (lemis.com [192.109.197.81]) by www.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10741B72837; Tue, 21 May 2019 23:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFB15264D3F; Wed, 22 May 2019 09:40:06 +1000 (AEST) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:40:06 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alexandru Goia Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie question Message-ID: <20190521234006.GS16860@eureka.lemis.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AXo2lOxbfudqq8ta" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. 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Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the overall structure yourself. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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I highly recommend it. 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Grimes" Message-Id: <201905220410.x4M4AcOZ082596@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: newbie question In-Reply-To: <20190521234006.GS16860@eureka.lemis.com> To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 21:10:38 -0700 (PDT) CC: Alexandru Goia , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3B5B068288 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[ip: (0.16), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.08), asn: 13868(0.05), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.54)[0.539,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.39)[-0.388,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.87)[0.872,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: gndrsh.dnsmgr.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:10:42 -0000 > On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: > > greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the > > *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! > > Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your > friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and > Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and > George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). > > Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer > detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the > overall structure yourself. During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of confusion when I was reading through and explaining code to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not see what I had just read to them. After a short discussion we realized that my mind was auto translating the short and cryptic variable names into the full and proper names. This became key in my understanding of how all these bits work long long ago and has just become automatic. SO, I encorage you and others new to the code, learn these data structure names, and mentall process them by long name, it could help you to better understand what it is your reading. The BSD sources are very consistent in its use of names and objects, and abbriviates, taking that to your advantage! Anyone any place have a nice list of the TLA to full name? pcb tcb p tp ifa ... > Greg -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 22 05:39:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFA515A1240; Wed, 22 May 2019 05:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmytrosichkar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x532.google.com (mail-pg1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 654FB6C7B4; Wed, 22 May 2019 05:39:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmytrosichkar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg1-x532.google.com with SMTP id e17so571436pgo.9; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:39:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IxeSVBLLncCrUblXSt+3WwdeWJSiHvVJDc6kZeFQT5Y=; b=NzytnSaAcqMLD9jDAVsNS4d18CL88cWv+JuSL5ra5Idq/6OXOZWsW6vHRCdacIZP8K e+2F5lPg5piugeX6cEKQzXMVNwnFzIm1Lg+5B4J7TQQ4Q/0eh7eAZqziIK2Y+dsxcaN+ rDIbKGih5Ya78WJ5icgV2UbntiLdKMf/QDRlDIbIum75TeZUHbXYVSxHqlTlNsTZociu wosqLneg/TK8msyJd9pJu4zAqgx53ySyxgIOjPuZBHy/KIJiRNKxp4yEo8taQhM0EXw6 gvlbmvDl6tp6kUzmSB6nz8I7ALsOZT97uQNPN0OH9N2TQab7jXRWCtKqy1Z6eEZON9wO 0dUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IxeSVBLLncCrUblXSt+3WwdeWJSiHvVJDc6kZeFQT5Y=; b=TMePhomGsErCeQkfsyJOjqMinh6hUOMc6CcS3N4wgqItxtvTviZQeVrbcksv1pJdSx anrv5lkpdbCFjsltfc810hvpqGFkCsBnOJl0weFzBPXVpFZ/vkkLDgwKw+TXT/sp450a GEeGxOl92puUbJo0qWTx/U+2lesa119ZHWbiAxx489toprs+OODXgHoChvIf1KVHEGse MJrPdTqN+EGzmVpSZltK33pxdnbtfZvfTmF0fHxM+KsiJOBHcJle5BELQbepO/XItfoW HN192Ixay9FkJ9rDGSpbsz3Oq4v9ds8+BisMysyjzDXNNU5YZMuFjuFsnk6joNg2OQJ3 oWfA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7qpzgq3Hzku8x276xFapU6OxsZPTvpEFLCIlSMEvgFg7s+cro F/Ig5mqWK1pvLCjUbFhvaMfFtEk/kiWBECLHaCP2FWkg X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzZkkytH5avuYn5vQt2HlzUp1IDwNbwT2xIBcEZx6RP23cmwqmdcigoGIb3QI0wPx9NvxZYcbiR/Eo2ovnivfc= X-Received: by 2002:a62:4281:: with SMTP id h1mr94069449pfd.162.1558503594217; Tue, 21 May 2019 22:39:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190521234006.GS16860@eureka.lemis.com> <201905220410.x4M4AcOZ082596@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201905220410.x4M4AcOZ082596@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Dima Sichkar Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 08:39:36 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: newbie question To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Alexandru Goia X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 654FB6C7B4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NzytnSaA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dmytrosichkar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::532 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dmytrosichkar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.94)[ip: (-9.10), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.27), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.967,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 05:39:56 -0000 You could also meditate on a "Grand Map": https://dspinellis.github.io/unix-architecture/arch.pdf It's helping me alot in binding source to some visual anchors. =D1=81=D1=80, 22 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=8F 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 07:12, Rodney W. Gr= imes : > > On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: > > > greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the > > > *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! > > > > Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your > > friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and > > Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and > > George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). > > > > Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer > > detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the > > overall structure yourself. > > During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, > but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of > confusion when I was reading through and explaining code > to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as > "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not > see what I had just read to them. > > After a short discussion we realized that my mind was auto translating > the short and cryptic variable names into the full and proper names. > This became key in my understanding of how all these bits work > long long ago and has just become automatic. SO, I encorage you and > others new to the code, learn these data structure names, and mentall > process them by long name, it could help you to better understand > what it is your reading. > > The BSD sources are very consistent in its use of names and objects, > and abbriviates, taking that to your advantage! > > Anyone any place have a nice list of the TLA to full name? > pcb > tcb > p > tp > ifa > ... > > > Greg > -- > Rod Grimes > rgrimes@freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed May 22 06:02:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DADD15A1C52 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joseph@charlestondigitalfirm.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb41.google.com (mail-yb1-xb41.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37FD86D202 for ; 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[209.85.208.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f25sm6883925ede.44.2019.05.22.00.28.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 May 2019 00:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id f37so2281774edb.13; Wed, 22 May 2019 00:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:78f:: with SMTP id d15mr35611272edy.189.1558510079930; Wed, 22 May 2019 00:27:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190521234006.GS16860@eureka.lemis.com> <201905220410.x4M4AcOZ082596@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <201905220410.x4M4AcOZ082596@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Pratyush Yadav Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 12:57:23 +0530 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: newbie question To: "Rodney W. 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Grimes wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: > > > greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the > > > *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! > > > > Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your > > friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and > > Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and > > George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). > > > > Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer > > detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the > > overall structure yourself. > > During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, > but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of > confusion when I was reading through and explaining code > to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as > "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not > see what I had just read to them. > > After a short discussion we realized that my mind was auto translating > the short and cryptic variable names into the full and proper names. > This became key in my understanding of how all these bits work > long long ago and has just become automatic. That's actually great insight. After reading your message I noticed I do the same when working. > [snip] Apart from this, I think usually actually fixing some bug or implementing some feature improves my understanding of a codebase and a community. 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Grimes wrote: >> On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: >>> greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the >>> *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! >> >> Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your >> friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and >> Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and >> George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). >> >> Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer >> detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the >> overall structure yourself. > > During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, > but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of > confusion when I was reading through and explaining code > to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as > "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not > see what I had just read to them. Heh. I ran into something like this decades ago, using an "operating system" that will be nameless. The program to copy files was... IEBCPY. Most people pronounced it "Eye Ee Bee Copy". And some had their card decks returned after hours of queueing to discover that some completion code (13?) saying "NOT FOUND: IEBCOPY". Clearly, we decided, pronouncing names for what they mean is *bad*. =46rom then on I spelt names out, or at least tried to pronounce them the way they're spelt ("Eye Ee Bee Cpy"). It confuse[ds] people, but it avoided some misunderstandings. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Grimes" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Alexandru Goia X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D5A782DF8 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.18)[0.185,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: gndrsh.dnsmgr.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.16)[0.155,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.70)[0.696,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[ip: (0.16), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.08), asn: 13868(0.05), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 05:05:40 -0000 > On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 at 21:10:38 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: > >>> greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the > >>> *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! > >> > >> Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise > >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your > >> friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and > >> Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and > >> George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). > >> > >> Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer > >> detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the > >> overall structure yourself. > > > > During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, > > but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of > > confusion when I was reading through and explaining code > > to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as > > "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not > > see what I had just read to them. > > Heh. I ran into something like this decades ago, using an "operating > system" that will be nameless. > > The program to copy files was... IEBCPY. Most people pronounced it > "Eye Ee Bee Copy". And some had their card decks returned after hours > of queueing to discover that some completion code (13?) saying "NOT > FOUND: IEBCOPY". I think your copy of OS/360 is borked, or is this one of the names they mangled in MVS? I have a vague memory of JCL that had those types of issues. > Clearly, we decided, pronouncing names for what they mean is *bad*. > From then on I spelt names out, or at least tried to pronounce them > the way they're spelt ("Eye Ee Bee Cpy"). It confuse[ds] people, but > it avoided some misunderstandings. Pronouncing spellings is bad, yes, but that is not what I was doing. I was pronouncing the proper full names, usually as defined either in "The design and implementation book" or in the code comments themselves. I was not saying Pee See Bee for pcb, I was saying process control block. > > Greg -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 23 09:02:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AEA15A32B5; Thu, 23 May 2019 09:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bch@online.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF3758A4B6; Thu, 23 May 2019 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bch@online.de) Received: from x230.onfire.org ([87.150.247.247]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MLzSD-1hCLDM3jF3-00Hy1l; Thu, 23 May 2019 11:01:53 +0200 From: Christian Barthel To: Alexandru Goia Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie question References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:01:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Alexandru Goia's message of "Wed, 22 May 2019 01:36:24 +0300") Message-ID: <877eahbl32.fsf@x230.onfire.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pFZwSJB7LfcFjmBFp6h/tvj2WD7uxoVyq3Epa4sCJ56JOlXmHH7 o3iJZcqzYvKUqVrds8k3CysgkzjwBBjixzSbLlq7ht9EGI9yMMEoxgs035mRpCyE60YHwQG i4bY7wEJhLcxgta7029nMeTC+OSmjgKtsHHSqILOgAefQSSrjx6AZph/i5Lm+HJPvIyCfuO hQVoRvXZdvqkzWr/ekYhw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pkDP13vafo8=:ckGqIylJ3nWyMTKv9qG5e7 ghjOGAUJyFkGuw1XHZkgca7E4JarDXW5xohFxBjj/GhvkiwM7oajZDwr9LlEHD/tFi6SnRnlv 6ix3Xc0PyxRQwH19+EmZiCRSKntbGhpbwUllMHOB5FJM0YONmp1Fv7zbFmeHmjjgSAdFiQjmi p6r8nJIw+6Lv82/q9R6U/+y6eKbq3HeLd4d51UQ40nvhWBNWytLIQyq4DAp4hob0tXE2StGPN eJcshHVDj8Od/ModPPOZ+HKqBxLTwxDr1SXDtLK6FM/c7u2bB1RzeHmYXuzidGw5jrSppUTYm fmZwKizF8E22bm/WTuQRAMOfA8BsvzC5ATbi6Ql1ZD9yxAivuTNm6QG1CPErg/tMJCZRi2Z6O Yh7dWfvJEOdNjjsq+zyMbQ4V2H2x2FaHnMCfUGAKAwJoJr97wJ3GNhKyvaeFeYESF+dySCknw j44j+oT47K4v2KsiXaTvnRCBtM6WNCZXO5tGBvOVUsiZwTcPSYhanEKz2cO+K82Kt4iZXGrhm rJrXfapomz2vjqH4HGOMoZAIaQSWZjqV+CWFK85Le4B3TXS9aBQf1wBTQyi0dd3fiA7p70zg6 fUOBOz1ufRsPXufmaRqLSNwC5oLFXd1GZLZflj2KqJI+8OcDq7rNW8jtcSEk/rr24u3dBEdN7 i4P2Zyg807wVINH59O4gdh6rNyeKwgez11JE0IAnrjINW0nJdx/JizzFsBRgNLpOvGjBmOvqZ G2gi7W0tqEA1BDTXNCYdgbgbMGRNY67YJHrTMcLjZbpS7Z6GsNSGQAF1uGY= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AF3758A4B6 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bch@online.de designates 212.227.126.130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bch@online.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.227.126.128/25]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[online.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.975,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.840,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.emig.kundenserver.de,mx00.emig.kundenserver.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.935,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.88)[ip: (3.33), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.50), asn: 8560(2.59), country: DE(-0.01)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[247.247.150.87.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:02:05 -0000 Alexandru Goia writes: > greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the > *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! As others already suggested, there is a very good book on the FreeBSD operating system by M.K. McKusick, G.V. Neville-Neil and R.N.M Watson [1]. At [2], one of the FreeBSD developers (R.N.M. Watson) wrote a public mail where and how to start with the FreeBSD source code (it's from 2005, but I guess the overall "idea" how to start is still valid). I personally found DTrace also a very helpful tool to discover and observe the activity from the kernel (beside other standard tools like ktrace(1) and so on). The Linux kernel community has a "kernel-newbies" mailinglist. I am not aware that something similar exists for FreeBSD but I personally would appreciate that for FreeBSD as well. Anyone aware of something like that? 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Grimes" , Greg 'groggy' Lehey CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Alexandru Goia From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: <9BCEA8E2-DCF6-42A0-8131-4B007C016A01@cschubert.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCmzyvl4c2ks6g4Law7aR9quxda7FcXe8pLWQU/Ndo6ijjLxzu0nBikS0XQ6p3pv9iOh2X6JnKuMklT4Zndm8DX8wBctFBUGPb6NI4esLiEV0wfg1gJQ ArbIbzuXQXz/DdNnxL+8uxPSIJygUZhBvxjDSOZ995cdvzPPhpmzRikZIi02uWSGvlh4WDujmaA70Ck7i8Zc1eUai/HYATS7zNZfxovuc154WOpqJrIAPT97 CtxOyTiyWwArWpkcqV0SfFDs1UPIEXBltiqau1JDdq10HaIyYHJ5Q5jumVWwkKQF4NiPCRMPCG2d8dR/+HnZALxeEFzqkqGkbXHyy3d4H5Y= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 804E06F400 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.38)[ip: (-6.05), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.25), asn: 6327(-2.50), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.952,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11, 233.154.66.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:12:44 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 14:36:58 -0000 On May 22, 2019 10:05:34 PM PDT, "Rodney W=2E Grimes" wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 at 21:10:38 -0700, Rodney W=2E Grimes wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: >> >>> greetings=2E how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the >> >>> *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! >> >> >> >> Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise >> >> https://www=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/doc/en_US=2EISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is >your >> >> friend)=2E To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design >and >> >> Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick >and >> >> George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley)=2E >> >> >> >> Understanding the code requires some work=2E People will happily >answer >> >> detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the >> >> overall structure yourself=2E >> > >> > During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, >> > but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of >> > confusion when I was reading through and explaining code >> > to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as >> > "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it=2E They could not >> > see what I had just read to them=2E >>=20 >> Heh=2E I ran into something like this decades ago, using an "operating >> system" that will be nameless=2E >>=20 >> The program to copy files was=2E=2E=2E IEBCPY=2E Most people pronounce= d it >> "Eye Ee Bee Copy"=2E And some had their card decks returned after >hours >> of queueing to discover that some completion code (13?) saying "NOT >> FOUND: IEBCOPY"=2E > >I think your copy of OS/360 is borked, or is this one of the names >they mangled in MVS? I have a vague memory of JCL that had those >types of issues=2E > >> Clearly, we decided, pronouncing names for what they mean is *bad*=2E >> From then on I spelt names out, or at least tried to pronounce them >> the way they're spelt ("Eye Ee Bee Cpy")=2E It confuse[ds] people, but >> it avoided some misunderstandings=2E > >Pronouncing spellings is bad, yes, but that is not what I was >doing=2E I was pronouncing the proper full names, usually as >defined either in "The design and implementation book" or in >the code comments themselves=2E > >I was not saying Pee See Bee for pcb, I was saying process >control block=2E > >>=20 >> Greg Yeah, there was no IEBCPY=2E Only IEBCOPY, though many sites wrote their o= wn due to ancient versions of the program were incapable of reblocking data= sets and borking the DSCB (akin to an inode) in the process=2E --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 23 18:02:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2383D15B1388; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD23077CD2; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.37.203]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MV6G0-1h1mfM0ez0-00S6c9; Thu, 23 May 2019 19:36:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 19:36:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Rodney W. 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Grimes wrote: > Pronouncing spellings is bad, yes, but that is not what I was > doing. I was pronouncing the proper full names, usually as > defined either in "The design and implementation book" or in > the code comments themselves. number inclood esteeday-lib eytsh number inclood esteeday-args eytsh int main, int arg-see, tshar times arg-vee brackets brace print-eff paren two up The number is percent dee backslash en, two up, fourtytwo return exit success brace cee cee minus oh myprog cee and and dot slash myprog Of course it'll sound much worse when read in mixed German ("tschar mal arg-vau Klammern")... ;-) > I was not saying Pee See Bee for pcb, I was saying process > control block. Every time? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 23 18:34:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA7C15B2068 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: from smtp59.i.mail.ru (smtp59.i.mail.ru [217.69.128.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2D83812C7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ikonev84@mail.ru) Received: by smtp59.i.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1hTsXo-0003rZ-7a; Thu, 23 May 2019 21:34:24 +0300 Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 18:34:18 +0000 From: Igor Konev To: "Igor V. 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Ruzanov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1= =82: > On Tue, 21 May 2019, Igor Konev wrote: >=20 > |=D0=92 Tue, 21 May 2019 15:32:29 +0300 (MSK) > |"Igor V. Ruzanov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5= =D1=82: > | > |> On Tue, 21 May 2019, Igor Konev via freebsd-questions wrote: > |>=20 > |> |Hi, I use fusefs to mount ntfs fs.=20 > |> |And I have a question about the command line options for > |> mount_fusefs. | > |> |What does key -s mean? What is he doing? I tried to use it but > |> without |success. > |> | > |> From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : > |>=20 > |> Finally, if special is an integer it will be interpreted as the > |> number of the file descriptor of an already open fuse device (used > |> when the Fuse > |> library invokes mount_fusefs. (See DAEMON MOUNTS). > |>=20 > |>=20 > |>=20 > |> I guess the key is ised in conjunction of another software doing > any |> jobs over opened fuse device files. > |>=20 > |> |From MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) : > |> | > |> |MOUNT_FUSEFS(8) > |> | > |> |SYNOPSIS > |> | mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] > |> | [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] > |> | special node [fuse_daemon ...] > |> | > |> | > |> | -s, --special special > |> | Use special as special > |> | > |> |So for my case, I can run the mount_fusefs command in two ways: > |> |- mount_fusefs special node [fuse_daemon ...] > |> |- mount_fusefs -s special node [fuse_daemon] > |> | > |> |1) > |> | > |> |$ mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 > |> |$ echo $? > |> |0 > |> | > |> |$ mount > |> |/dev/ada0p4 on / (ufs, local, soft-updates) > |> |devfs on /dev (devfs, local, multilabel) > |> |... > |> |/dev/fuse on /usr/home/user1/mnt0 (fusefs, local, nosuid, > |> synchronous, |mounted by user1) > |> | > |> |2) > |> | > |> |$ mount_fusefs -s /dev/fuse ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 > |> |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently > |> |$ echo $? > |> |1 > |> | > |> |Ivan Konev > |> |_______________________________________________ > |> |freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |> |https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |> |To unsubscribe, send any mail to > |> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | > |> _______________________________________________ > |> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > |> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > |> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > |> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =20 > | > |Igor, thank you for your reply.=20 > |I also tried to use the file descriptor number as an argument for the > |=E2=80=93s. > | > |$ ls -ali /dev/fuse > |57 crw-rw-rw- 1 root operator 0x39 21 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=8F 11:40 /dev= /fuse > | > |$ mount_fusefs -s 57 ~/mnt0 ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 ~/mnt0 > |mount_fusefs: special specified inconsistently > | > 57 here is not file descriptor number. Its i-node number (see man > ls). FD (file descriptor) might be some number that we got as result > of success call of some function, for ex. when we tried to open some > fuse device for mounting purposes. And provide this FD to: > mount_fusefs -s =20 >=20 >=20 > |$ echo $? > |1 > |$=20 > | > |My question is why "mount_fusefs /dev/fuse ..." works and > "mount_fusefs |-s /dev/fuse ..." and "mount_fusefs -s 57" do not work. > | > |Ivan Konev > | A bit of theory about mount_fusefs command line options: =46rom man: mount_fusefs [-A] [-S] [-v] [-D fuse_daemon] [-O daemon_opts] [-s special] [-m node] [-h] [-V] [-o option ...] special node [fuse_daemon ...] The special argument will normally be treated as the path of the special file to mount. Thus, you can define special using the -s option or the position in the argument string. But even if special is defined via a key, mount_fusefs will still try to take its value from the first unnamed (without a key) command line argument. 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The install went fine but the system will not boot because: gptfsboot: No ZFS pools found, can't boot I have booted into single user mode from the install stick. How do I mount bootpool so that the boot-loader finds it when I reboot? camcontrol devlist shows the drives: Code: TEAC DV-20E-V 1.AB> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass0) at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada0) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada1) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada2) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,ada3) at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass5) gpart shows all the drives partitioned. zpool import shows nothing. I believe that the problem is that that the installer does not provide a link from /boot to /bootpool/boot and therefore the boot loader.conf file cannot be found. What I wish to do is to mount the raidz2 pool (zroot) and create a logical link between /boot and /bootpool/boot. Any help is appreciated. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 24 19:03:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF0815B30D9 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 392D273B20 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 12:03:06 -0700 Subject: Re: How to mount raidz2 on installer shell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6a5c54bfdd869e59aec9790790bacf71.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <59d79d5b-45f1-a1be-97fa-0d252ca8b840@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:02:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6a5c54bfdd869e59aec9790790bacf71.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 392D273B20 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.38 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.905,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.42)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(1.09), asn: 6939(-3.13), country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.05)[0.050,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 19:03:17 -0000 On 5/24/19 11:11 AM, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I just installed 12.0 on a new host with new discs. The install went > fine but the system will not boot because: > > gptfsboot: No ZFS pools found, can't boot > > I have booted into single user mode from the install stick. How do I > mount bootpool so that the boot-loader finds it when I reboot? > > camcontrol devlist shows the drives: > > Code: > > TEAC DV-20E-V 1.AB> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass0) > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada0) > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada1) > at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada2) > at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,ada3) > at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass5) > > gpart shows all the drives partitioned. zpool import shows nothing. > > I believe that the problem is that that the installer does not provide > a link from /boot to /bootpool/boot and therefore the boot loader.conf > file cannot be found. > > What I wish to do is to mount the raidz2 pool (zroot) and create a > logical link between /boot and /bootpool/boot. > > Any help is appreciated. So, 4 Western Digital HDD's in RAIDZ2. Is the Kingston DataTraveler a FreeBSD installer, a boot device, or something else? Have you tried 'zpool import'? https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/6n7ht6qug/index.html If that doesn't help, post more information: # geli status # gpart show -l David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri May 24 19:06:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5305715B31E8 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:06:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from colo1.denninger.net (colo1.denninger.net [104.236.120.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 645D973C1F for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from denninger.net (ip68-1-57-197.pn.at.cox.net [68.1.57.197]) by colo1.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1E621109A for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 15:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.24] (D14.Denninger.Net [192.168.10.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FE3D10F732 for ; 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I just installed 12.0 on a new host with new discs. The install went > fine but the system will not boot because: > > gptfsboot: No ZFS pools found, can't boot > > I have booted into single user mode from the install stick. How do I > mount bootpool so that the boot-loader finds it when I reboot? > > camcontrol devlist shows the drives: > > Code: > > TEAC DV-20E-V 1.AB> at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass0) > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada0) > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada1) > at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada2) > at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,ada3) > at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass5) > > gpart shows all the drives partitioned. zpool import shows nothing. > > I believe that the problem is that that the installer does not provide > a link from /boot to /bootpool/boot and therefore the boot loader.conf > file cannot be found. > > What I wish to do is to mount the raidz2 pool (zroot) and create a > logical link between /boot and /bootpool/boot. > > Any help is appreciated. Something else is wrong. gptzfsboot will "taste" all the disks it can find and look for zfs partitions.=C2=A0 It will assemble the pool(s) it can find (starting with= the disk gptzfsboot was loaded from, then in whatever order the BIOS presents them.) The first pool it can assemble that is usable is then checked for a "bootfs" filesystem setting (this is how "boot environments" can be set up so as to boot from one place or another on the same pool.)=C2=A0 If it= 's set then that's the filesystem it attempts to boot.=C2=A0 If that's NOT s= et on the pool then the root of the pool is attempted to be used as the boot filesystem and the loader assumes there is a /boot directory there, proceeding from that point.=C2=A0 /boot/loader.conf may contain a differe= nt location for the root filesystem (prior to 12.x this was common if you wanted to have root on geli where the boot was not encrypted; this is no longer necessary as gptzfsboot can boot from an encrypted pool now.) If it's not finding a pool *at all* that implies that either the zfs filesystem isn't on the whole disk(s) or they aren't in a freebsd-zfs partition (assuming GPT partitioned drives) on the disk(s) in question.=C2= =A0 That shouldn't happen if you used the installer assuming the BIOS is presenting the disks in the same general way the installer saw them. What you're reporting (that the disks are showing up when booted off the install media, and that gpart show displays the correct partition layout, including the freebsd-zfs partition, yet "zpool import" shows nothing) doesn't make sense.=C2=A0 The only other thing I can come up wit= h off the top of my head is that you may have a mixup in machine's BIOS boot mode setting between EFI and "Legacy" vis-a-vis what the installer was loaded via originally and as a result the BIOS isn't presenting the disks to gptzfsboot at all, thus it has nothing to "taste" since it doesn't see any disks. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms080201010302050502020507 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature 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Grimes wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 at 21:10:38 -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 at 1:36:24 +0300, Alexandru Goia wrote: >>>>> greetings. how can do i get attuned in a logical manner with the >>>>> *bsd/freebsd kernel source code ? thank you very much ! >>>> >>>> Clearly you know how to get it (otherwise >>>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is your >>>> friend). To understand it better, I'd suggest reading "The Design and >>>> Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" by Kirk McKusick and >>>> George Neville-Neil (Addison-Wesley). >>>> >>>> Understanding the code requires some work. People will happily answer >>>> detail questions, but you'll be responsible for finding out the >>>> overall structure yourself. >>> >>> During a somewhat recent session of working with a not new, >>> but also not seasoned developer, they noted a great deal of >>> confusion when I was reading through and explaining code >>> to them when I would actually read "pcb" on screen as >>> "Process Control Block" when verbalizing it. They could not >>> see what I had just read to them. >> >> Heh. I ran into something like this decades ago, using an "operating >> system" that will be nameless. >> >> The program to copy files was... IEBCPY. Most people pronounced it >> "Eye Ee Bee Copy". And some had their card decks returned after hours >> of queueing to discover that some completion code (13?) saying "NOT >> FOUND: IEBCOPY". > > I think your copy of OS/360 is borked, or is this one of the names > they mangled in MVS? I have a vague memory of JCL that had those > types of issues. Yes, this was MVS. I'm pretty sure that they didn't deliberately make things worse than they were. >> Clearly, we decided, pronouncing names for what they mean is *bad*. >> From then on I spelt names out, or at least tried to pronounce them >> the way they're spelt ("Eye Ee Bee Cpy"). It confuse[ds] people, but >> it avoided some misunderstandings. > > Pronouncing spellings is bad, yes, but that is not what I was > doing. I was pronouncing the proper full names, usually as > defined either in "The design and implementation book" or in > the code comments themselves. Yes, but the approach is similar. -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --mvpLiMfbWzRoNl4x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAlzo0RMACgkQIubykFB6QiOklQCcC47sGiSU5Plrl06RZOetml2K xZ0AoJzEbIol0XfC+2dHwkILcHkjv4Vl =BVkL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mvpLiMfbWzRoNl4x-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 25 16:48:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3683415B0896; Sat, 25 May 2019 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4379B7725B; Sat, 25 May 2019 16:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from venus.codepro.be (venus.codepro.be [5.9.86.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.codepro.be", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kp) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10800138A7; Sat, 25 May 2019 16:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [100.80.118.181] (unknown [188.188.217.82]) (Authenticated sender: kp) by venus.codepro.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 973DF24108; Sat, 25 May 2019 18:48:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: passthru ethernet interface From: Kristof Provost X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16F156) In-Reply-To: <20190522025324.GA7121@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 18:48:44 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D6322F8-1D5C-4B64-BF6E-0758A3315B25@FreeBSD.org> References: <20190522025324.GA7121@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: The Doctor X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4379B7725B X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.97 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.970,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:96.47.64.0/20, country:US]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 16:48:50 -0000 > On 22 May 2019, at 04:53, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 > How do I set up in /etc/rc.conf an eth1 that will > attach ifself to the back of the router in my packet filtering (pf) box, > namely the $ext_if ? >=20 You want to set a macro in your pf.conf, as documented in its man page.=20 =E2=80=94=20 Kristof=