From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Dec 3 14:40:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D151B0B53 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f66.google.com (mail-io1-f66.google.com [209.85.166.66]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47S4Q92Qyvz4Rm5 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 14:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f66.google.com with SMTP id z26so3950982iot.8 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=USuo2oH7R9T4M3aNww6GMC9Fs3EySFopFs8JS65ZV0g=; b=FDbKeKd8IEt4jwnYjjpKYvAty0mk+9fJHg+sOsEsSx0VrZDZxiA7W1VLA2VmDURAJ3 SvhoUB/NDnBQhMQpYn/fSHfZ1RGsad6CRa38b1iFznRt+pdHwminsXI55OxBH5Tk6Yhu 47towtkMxOmUUFmsOKbaEAiz3yeJ/QMUbOjBjYZ8+GHcG/ril65n74QLvMeemkowKUPc /ovuMVrQbK0z1/3f0ASmy5z/5by7F7bdddGfIafaZGp8aJNURa3x/GrgXFxynWzMsvcy x4XrihxxcHR/jnmpLL6WGW1otFpPmfyQzho17u966myU0tqYQC1a5bfTFvLF+701h6SX vGJg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV4eZfClqR0elmXXFKgRjQlKxecLRI0bDiKWLWJJbWcxaphV0ac AlpbFuo79ZIyETe1RZrENWubF+lVmAHcnjc/nZHYDsrA210= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzFwZ5/06ETCl/zpy3BlzcIO7EP1dAQtShoNvxp+29FRcmKbVp5bvxhfjK1qSxhwhJK4kvsVz6KF+ObpYwPU/o= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5a13:: with SMTP id o19mr2422580iob.120.1575383999210; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:39:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47S4Q92Qyvz4Rm5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[66.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.10)[ip: (-0.34), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.15), asn: 15169(-1.94), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[66.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 14:40:02 -0000 On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 19:57, Ed Maste wrote: > > Work is in progress to remove the obsolete GCC 4.2.1 from the FreeBSD > tree before FreeBSD 13.0[1], and a tracking PR[2] is open with a list > of dependencies[3]. In the absence of any action to address these > (known, and perhaps additional unknown) dependencies this means > Sparc64 will fail to build as of 2020-03-31. Note that the next step in the GCC 4.2.1 deprecation process is four weeks away: | 2019-12-31: Turn off gcc 4.2.1 build by default (can be turned on) I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as dependencies in PR228919. From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Dec 3 18:11:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92AD1B8097 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47S96b4WkYz3FJs; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AAD593D4CF; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:11:49 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Ed Maste Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 Message-ID: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47S96b4WkYz3FJs X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:11:51 -0000 On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 05:53:28AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler > situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as dependencies > in PR228919. I personally don't intend to spend cycles working on sparc64 in the future. As one of the last people who was supporting it, I think it's fair to say that sparc64 has dropped below critical mass. mcl From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Tue Dec 3 23:53:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF0E1C24AE for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 23:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+13739864-15db-freebsd-sparc64=freebsd.org@em848.distal.com) Received: from xtrwsxqh.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net (xtrwsxqh.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net [167.89.106.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47SJhD4Kbxz48qG for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 23:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+13739864-15db-freebsd-sparc64=freebsd.org@em848.distal.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=distal.com; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:references:to:cc; s=s1; bh=6K74CPd2TyMx4I+86PAYM7ESEXS8t7dSchww53+p5l4=; b=cBx08hk+HQC6VhV8nCrNPb4VGipvue5jc2m/gLuyiHhxHxjuZKpB1i+439M7WMKItinO /3rmjDLBD5Ia5/7OzXiX4eBgRt/pYW8ocYxuBXyhNZFK6NnLTHJITdBvuJamrHSB6c+y88 U6L8n8Uo+G+aGFmS/RfSvypZr5npL2Ee4= Received: by filter0034p3iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0034p3iad2-9826-5DE6F554-10 2019-12-03 23:52:52.306160695 +0000 UTC m=+1209777.970769694 Received: from mail.distal.com (unknown [108.48.165.176]) by ismtpd0129p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id G4TKJQh6S9WaUs12ohye0g Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:52:52.256 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:e24c:200:5d7a:320:6295:3743] ( [2001:470:e24c:200:5d7a:320:6295:3743]) by tristain.distal.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d22ae4d5 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:52:51 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 From: Chris Ross In-Reply-To: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) X-SG-EID: =?us-ascii?Q?gDj=2Futz1vvM0Gg5Dx3C984MHE5rSknXbUiMX+7YYKy8H35YTA3nJpmg1IQ5mw9?= =?us-ascii?Q?RS2bD=2FH4Uluvnmedtzs9ncXcFhf8JFrXxyBUWT7?= =?us-ascii?Q?+KuRabT2nZ2LOKP6OUdvpj7+mkEta3F4oU7JIXy?= =?us-ascii?Q?UPEK84vAb5Ar9X7UhcJc+KjsM7sNYCaq2N+TtJW?= =?us-ascii?Q?us8x=2FdCtP51mb=2F0wDeX4l1R=2Fgbcm9WxAAP+nHVh?= =?us-ascii?Q?Ae3uQ5V2MAg=2F5uAtZtT7ipCJc6KwQLGADunRRt?= To: Mark Linimon Cc: Ed Maste , freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47SJhD4Kbxz48qG X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=distal.com header.s=s1 header.b=cBx08hk+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=distal.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bounces@em848.distal.com designates 167.89.106.64 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bounces@em848.distal.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[distal.com:s=s1]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cross@distal.com,bounces@em848.distal.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:167.89.0.0/17]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.69)[ipnet: 167.89.96.0/20(-4.67), asn: 11377(-3.70), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[distal.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[distal.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[cross@distal.com,bounces@em848.distal.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[64.106.89.167.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11377, ipnet:167.89.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[13739864-15db-freebsd-sparc64=freebsd.org,freebsd]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[176.165.48.108.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:53:03 -0000 > On Dec 3, 2019, at 13:11, Mark Linimon wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 05:53:28AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: >> I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler >> situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as dependencies >> in PR228919. >=20 > I personally don't intend to spend cycles working on sparc64 in the > future. >=20 > As one of the last people who was supporting it, I think it's fair to > say that sparc64 has dropped below critical mass. I was an active user, but lack of support for more modern spare processors = and the lack of active use have caused me to step away too. If I had the t= ime to look into porting T1/T2/etc support, and try to get the compiler wor= king, I=E2=80=99d love to have the results. But I do not. - Chris From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Wed Dec 4 01:08:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FE11C44A8 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47SLMr6D8Kz4CjB for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D22A91C44A6; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06781C44A4 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47SLMr3ml8z4Cj5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 608C220560 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id xB418un5096183 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id xB418utB096179 for sparc64@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 01:08:56 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: sparc64@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 236839] lang/gcc8: Fails to compile on sparc64 platform (FreeBSD 12.0 STABLE) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:08:56 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: bmeyer@mesoft.com.au X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: toolchain@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:08:57 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D236839 --- Comment #4 from bmeyer@mesoft.com.au --- As the original creator of the PR. I've since been able to butcher the GCC build to get GCC 8.3.0 to build and so far seems to work without any issue.= I do however need to clean up the patches required in order to make this acceptable as right now ... these are not acceptable in any way, shape or f= orm for general distribution. If someone specifically *needs* the package it is available as a precompiled txz ... all you need to do is *ask*. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Wed Dec 4 12:08:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE011B2666 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) Received: from hades.sorbs.net (hades.sorbs.net [72.12.213.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47Sd0P435tz3HNp for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 12:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michelle@sorbs.net) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from isux.com (gate.mhix.org [203.206.128.220]) by hades.sorbs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.29.0 64bit (built Jul 9 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0Q1Z00GPGMFVRV00@hades.sorbs.net> for freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 04:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 To: Chris Ross , Mark Linimon Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> From: Michelle Sullivan Message-id: <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:08:00 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0 SeaMonkey/2.48 In-reply-to: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47Sd0P435tz3HNp X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michelle@sorbs.net designates 72.12.213.40 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michelle@sorbs.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:hades.sorbs.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sorbs.net]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.213.12.72.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.27)[ip: (-0.68), ipnet: 72.12.192.0/19(-0.36), asn: 11114(-0.28), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11114, ipnet:72.12.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:08:06 -0000 Chris Ross wrote: > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 13:11, Mark Linimon wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 05:53:28AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: >>> I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler >>> situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as dependencies >>> in PR228919. >> I personally don't intend to spend cycles working on sparc64 in the >> future. >> >> As one of the last people who was supporting it, I think it's fair to >> say that sparc64 has dropped below critical mass. > I was an active user, but lack of support for more modern spare processors and the lack of active use have caused me to step away too. If I had the time to look into porting T1/T2/etc support, and try to get the compiler working, I’d love to have the results. But I do not. > I don't have the skills or I'd do it. -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/ From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Wed Dec 4 23:00:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A3D1B15A1 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordonzaft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47SvSs4qvfz4STj for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gordonzaft@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id p21so1001687vsq.6 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 15:00:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=r6K7lf31ZR4sMJcGgscuv8jaKhYnBZqUEI5XS+XV8jk=; b=i68kYWgDfCM/7KxVuFQCgJoL2nV4CNza5cLMWnFVzp3NJFGbYktHnRZrusmSLusWdg P8mu2F52gGpi4meGx7/OKm3SmD0s9Ff5ov2D4wezXtJdFAr85O6Lh4VOnZ7j/ethnqve UflAHLPdZ4yo2PcJVsgWe2B/f0Za4XiEVDTKPD6Gmwmvz1QNHygBmjydTT1tfJqMId0X rYgxCOH1MFIFjx9eK0xKeEYEXEY8Kn/AEUCMq3VVD8Qo5KS4flbfmRhDZ2omLOt+pRJM JmBUraU1LzP5anyvE0VeG5QVEhrIeARwIvEzQYXQ8Wv7r49sMnsdkdYfbPx9HN2bJbUD TVig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=r6K7lf31ZR4sMJcGgscuv8jaKhYnBZqUEI5XS+XV8jk=; b=kpyVqj2lNLyeDeiKkbFSiwRiWqinZZAffrkUoNHToajlvA7xUWiLV5+PS08nc8hyd3 yd/qoeTDnjjkda8KaDabKcp/pipDBOguvckyCl+WwqHq7ms9BlXfe/pkJ0GVQr2naqQ0 0KLSayq301RUIYlFwfCfkN5OL5dF+mb+TgF2pQK0zUWVDftEOPJM1sZmDiDh/wHrTPzw OVRCXlahr0BpeyHtDT3hxiPvCpnRVRa7c2PNX4iTi/xnwz72Si7x38mVMoxoUKIr66zW FZRpaf322lcDv4isL0zFnITPHeNUUvn3T85Ktzy0mZ8jHboIDXY0cm3y5cuc8w906xan 2UzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWLybgvySZN56/O68qCfvHpnw/Cm7nMbeSVYIzO1oD1B+FQqtD7 FMzhlepHk6VyHnYA+tQUqIER3A40P/YFDQzTW3EnbQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzvspcCaS/dTpR66mpdqEM4TqVmOsKbh+9PVkIG1+SbgsMFqld+mV549BGakLjPw6+1sogepHqreHvjpcNWgUY= X-Received: by 2002:a67:bd0d:: with SMTP id y13mr3301161vsq.125.1575500411686; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 15:00:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> From: Gordon Zaft Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 16:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 To: Michelle Sullivan Cc: Chris Ross , Mark Linimon , freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47SvSs4qvfz4STj X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=i68kYWgD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gordonzaft@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gordonzaft@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.71), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.23), asn: 15169(-1.93), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:00:14 -0000 I am still interested in using this platform but doubt I have the skills and time to deal with something like a compiler upgrade. G On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:08 AM Michelle Sullivan wrote= : > Chris Ross wrote: > > > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 13:11, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 05:53:28AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > >>> I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler > >>> situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as dependencie= s > >>> in PR228919. > >> I personally don't intend to spend cycles working on sparc64 in the > >> future. > >> > >> As one of the last people who was supporting it, I think it's fair to > >> say that sparc64 has dropped below critical mass. > > I was an active user, but lack of support for more modern spare > processors and the lack of active use have caused me to step away too. I= f > I had the time to look into porting T1/T2/etc support, and try to get the > compiler working, I=E2=80=99d love to have the results. But I do not. > > > > I don't have the skills or I'd do it. > > -- > Michelle Sullivan > http://www.mhix.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > --=20 Gordon Zaft gordonzaft@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Wed Dec 4 23:35:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450D01B1EE5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dd.if.dev.zero.of.dev.null.count.1.bs.1g@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12d.google.com (mail-il1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47SwDz4b4Yz4Tps for ; 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RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:35:01 -0000 Ive got two t-3 and one t4 id love to do more with. Linux support is ancient, and id love to learn much more about freebsd as i have very little experience, but alas i have to drywall and mud my house... so time time time. I put my vote of support in for someone doing some updating if possible. On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:00 PM Gordon Zaft wrote: > I am still interested in using this platform but doubt I have the skills > and time to deal with something like a compiler upgrade. > > G > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:08 AM Michelle Sullivan > wrote: > > > Chris Ross wrote: > > > > > >> On Dec 3, 2019, at 13:11, Mark Linimon wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 03, 2019 at 05:53:28AM -0500, Ed Maste wrote: > > >>> I have received some private mail about addressing the compiler > > >>> situation on sparc64, but not the other issues tracked as > dependencies > > >>> in PR228919. > > >> I personally don't intend to spend cycles working on sparc64 in the > > >> future. > > >> > > >> As one of the last people who was supporting it, I think it's fair t= o > > >> say that sparc64 has dropped below critical mass. > > > I was an active user, but lack of support for more modern spare > > processors and the lack of active use have caused me to step away too. > If > > I had the time to look into porting T1/T2/etc support, and try to get t= he > > compiler working, I=E2=80=99d love to have the results. But I do not. > > > > > > > I don't have the skills or I'd do it. > > > > -- > > Michelle Sullivan > > http://www.mhix.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > -- > Gordon Zaft > gordonzaft@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Thu Dec 5 03:58:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124251B90A0 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 03:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47T25M1TPfz3DQt for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 03:58:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 078D53D7B3; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 03:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 03:58:44 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Joe Kozak Cc: Gordon Zaft , Michelle Sullivan , freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 Message-ID: <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47T25M1TPfz3DQt X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@lonesome.com has no SPF policy when checking 18.222.6.11) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@lonesome.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 18.220.0.0/14(0.11), asn: 16509(-1.31), country: US(-0.05)]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.6.222.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 03:58:48 -0000 On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 05:34:46PM -0600, Joe Kozak wrote: > I put my vote of support in for someone doing some updating if > possible. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in volunteer projects. I estimate it would take 1-3 months to fix the toolchain -- which would only save us the existing systems (manufactured up to 2005). When I last looked at sun4v (the newer systems) I estimated 3-5 months. That's full-time activity from someone who *used* to do systems work, but has not for many years, and would have to come up to speed on 18 zillion things. mcl (fwiw I am a software engineer, ergo, my estimates suck.) 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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:58 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 05:34:46PM -0600, Joe Kozak wrote: > > I put my vote of support in for someone doing some updating if > > possible. > > Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in volunteer projects. > > I estimate it would take 1-3 months to fix the toolchain -- which > would only save us the existing systems (manufactured up to 2005). > When I last looked at sun4v (the newer systems) I estimated 3-5 > months. > > That's full-time activity from someone who *used* to do systems > work, but has not for many years, and would have to come up to > speed on 18 zillion things. > > mcl > > (fwiw I am a software engineer, ergo, my estimates suck.) > From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Thu Dec 5 04:51:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D51BAAC4 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47T3GB3xKpz3Gt1 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E5B13D7B3; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:51:28 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Joe Kozak Cc: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 Message-ID: <20191205045127.GA6422@lonesome.com> References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47T3GB3xKpz3Gt1 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@lonesome.com has no SPF policy when checking 18.222.6.11) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@lonesome.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[ip: (0.02), ipnet: 18.220.0.0/14(0.11), asn: 16509(-1.31), country: US(-0.05)]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.6.222.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 04:51:30 -0000 On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 10:00:35PM -0600, Joe Kozak wrote: > Is that for basic support in the compiler linker bits? The latter. It hasn't bitrotted *that* much. 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