From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Jan 20 09:41:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFDE14AC7FD for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from constantine.ingresso.co.uk (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b90:3002:411::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3448E0D4 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from [82.47.240.30] (helo=foula.drayhouse.twisted.org.uk) by constantine.ingresso.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gl9bx-0008bS-UT; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:41:49 +0000 Subject: Re: More CARP issues under 12 (maybe not CARP after all) To: Kevin Oberman Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List References: From: Pete French Message-ID: <3d452e3e-d723-e1a6-62af-9a1def83dacf@ingresso.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:42:07 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:65.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/65.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0B3448E0D4 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ingresso.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of petefrench@ingresso.co.uk designates 2a02:b90:3002:411::3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=petefrench@ingresso.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:b90:3002:411::3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.954,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: GB(-0.09)]; RDNS_NONE(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.217,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[ingresso-co-uk.mail.protection.outlook.com,ingresso-co-uk.mail.protection.outlook.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ingresso.co.uk,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.56)[-0.558,0]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[30.240.47.82.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16082, ipnet:2a02:b90::/32, country:GB]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:41:53 -0000 > To point  out the obvious, booting a 12.0 kernel with 11  userland to > multiuser mode is seriously unsupported. You really need to boot to > single user and install 12.0 userland to really expect things to work. Yes, good point. This has worked on every other machine I have upgraded from 11 to 12, which is why I didnt think of that, but then all the motherboards are slightly different. > Is there a reason that a standalone boot is not possible? Sort of - I am on a serial console to do this, which works in the BIOS, and works after the kernel has started booting, but does not work in the loader for some reason, so I can't select single user. So I go to single user by booting multi user and the shutting down. Of course I could use nextboot, so its just lazyness on my part actually. Thanks for pointing this out, I immediately jumped to the CARP conclusion due to last weeks experiences on the other machine, but actually this is far more likely to be the issue. -pete. PS: apparently I have been playing fast and loose with this - and bothering the mailing list about it - since 2005... :-) http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/upgrading-5-4-gt-6-0-without-reinstalling-safe-td3932902.html Time to change my ways I think!