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Subject: Re: svn commit: r345786 - svnadmin/conf
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> Author: jrm (ports committer)
> Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> New Revision: 345786
> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
>
> Log:
> Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
>
> Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
Can we please have a check list that when someones
commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
for more than N days, N being something rather small
given the context here, that includes the item:
x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
Thanks,
Rod
> Modified:
> svnadmin/conf/mentors
> Modified: svnadmin/conf/mentors
> ==============================================================================
> --- svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:28:04 2019 (r345785)
> +++ svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019 (r345786)
> @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
>
> # Mentee Mentor Optional comment
> achim scottl Co-mentor: emaste
> -anish neel Co-mentor: grehan
> +anish jhb
> bcran eadler
> brd allanjude Co-mentor: bapt
> def pjd
--
Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 8:26 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
wrote:
> > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> > >> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> > >> > New Revision: 345786
> > >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
> >
> > >> > Log:
> > >> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
> >
> > >> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> > >> > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
> >
> > >> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> > >> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> > >> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> > >> given the context here, that includes the item:
> >
> > >> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
> >
> >
> > > Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> > > retirement...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > This is the current checklist:
>
> Should this be a publically visible check list? If I had know of it
> I would not of even raised an issue.
>
That's the idea.
This only handles the reap situation, which takes too long to leave
> a menteee hanging, they are gone long before you get to this point.
>
> Perhaps adding an item to the new committers guide:
> If a mentor should go unresponsive or seem to be inactive
> in the project you should contact core@ asking for remediation or
> reassignment of that mentor.
>
We've talked about a 6 month timeout for new committees. Nothing definite.
> - Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
> >
> > - Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive
> emails about
> > reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms that
> the bit
> > can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to send
> warning
> > emails, but Ren? is currently taking care of this job.
> >
> > - Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first check
> the
> > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new
> mentor must
> > be found before the bit is taken in.
>
> I see no reason for delaying the reap action, that just further leaves
> the mentee in limbo. Perhaps:
> Once it has been established that a bit is to be take in, first check the
> mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, create a core@
> action item to find them a replacement, inform the mentee that this action
> item has been created, asking them if they have any input as to who might
> be a good canidate. Reassign them to core@ in the mentors file.
>
We were able to find someone in 10ish minutes... there was no delay... it
was one of the pre-commit activities.
There was one more: is this person a vendor committer? Is so, we do need to
do additional checks to help vendor relationships. Normally, these are
managed well, but if we get to time out for a vendor committer, that
suggests something may have broken down. At one point the vendor wanted a
fast path into the project.
We also need to check to see if the volunteer is in any groups as well.
Warner
> - If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the
> developer
> > from the mentors file.
> >
> > - Remove the developer from the access file.
> >
> > --
> > Joseph
> --
> Rod Grimes
> rgrimes@freebsd.org
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:06:03 -0000
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Author: jrm (ports committer)
Date: Mon Apr 1 22:19:15 2019
New Revision: 345787
URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345787
Log:
Take in idle commit bits
Approved by: core (brooks, imp, seanc)
Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19778
Modified:
svnadmin/conf/access
svnadmin/conf/mentors
Modified: svnadmin/conf/access
==============================================================================
--- svnadmin/conf/access Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019 (r345786)
+++ svnadmin/conf/access Mon Apr 1 22:19:15 2019 (r345787)
@@ -21,7 +21,6 @@ achim
adrian
ae
alc
-alfred
allanjude
ambrisko
andreast
@@ -35,7 +34,6 @@ asomers
avatar
avg
avos
-badger
bapt
bde
bcran
@@ -60,7 +58,6 @@ daichi
davidcs
dchagin
def
-deischen
delphij
des
dexuan
@@ -73,18 +70,15 @@ eadler
ed
emaste
emax
-eri
erj
eugen
fabient
-fanf
fsu
gabor devnull
gad
gallatin
ganbold
gavin
-gibbs
gjb
glebius
gnn
@@ -98,7 +92,6 @@ hrs
hselasky
ian
imp
-ivadasz
jah
jamie
jasone
@@ -115,16 +108,13 @@ jlh
jmallett
jmcneill
jmg
-jmmv
joerg freebsd-devel@uriah.heep.sax.de
johalun
jonathan
jpaetzel
jtl
julian
-jwd
kadesai
-kaiw
kan
karels
ken
@@ -138,7 +128,6 @@ leitao
lidl
loos
lstewart
-luigi
luporl
lwhsu
mahrens
@@ -163,7 +152,6 @@ mp
mr
mw
n_hibma devnull
-neel
netchild
ngie
np
@@ -190,7 +178,6 @@ rgrimes
rlibby
rmacklem
roberto
-rodrigc
royger
rpokala
rrs
@@ -213,14 +200,11 @@ slavash
slm
smh
sobomax
-stas
stevek
syrinx
takawata
theraven
thj
-thomas
-thompsa
tijl
tmunro
trasz
@@ -238,7 +222,5 @@ wma
wosch
wollman
wulf
-yongari
yuripv
-zbb
zec
Modified: svnadmin/conf/mentors
==============================================================================
--- svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019 (r345786)
+++ svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 22:19:15 2019 (r345787)
@@ -15,12 +15,9 @@ anish jhb
bcran eadler
brd allanjude Co-mentor: bapt
def pjd
-eri ae Co-mentor: thompsa
gordon delphij Co-mentor: emaste
-ivadasz adrian Co-mentor: cognet
jceel trasz
jkh rwatson
-jwd rmacklem
kadesai ken Co-mentor: scottl, ambrisko
leitao jhibbits Co-mentor: nwhitehorn
mahrens mckusick
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
wrote:
> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> > New Revision: 345786
> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
> >
> > Log:
> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
> >
> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
>
> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> given the context here, that includes the item:
>
> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
>
>
Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
retirement...
Warner
> Thanks,
> Rod
>
> > Modified:
> > svnadmin/conf/mentors
> > Modified: svnadmin/conf/mentors
> >
> ==============================================================================
> > --- svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:28:04 2019 (r345785)
> > +++ svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019 (r345786)
> > @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
> >
> > # Mentee Mentor Optional comment
> > achim scottl Co-mentor: emaste
> > -anish neel Co-mentor: grehan
> > +anish jhb
> > bcran eadler
> > brd allanjude Co-mentor: bapt
> > def pjd
>
> --
> Rod Grimes
> rgrimes@freebsd.org
>
>
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> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 8:26 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> > > >> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> > > >> > New Revision: 345786
> > > >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
> > >
> > > >> > Log:
> > > >> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
> > >
> > > >> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> > > >> > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
> > >
> > > >> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> > > >> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> > > >> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> > > >> given the context here, that includes the item:
> > >
> > > >> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> > > > retirement...
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > This is the current checklist:
> >
> > Should this be a publically visible check list? If I had know of it
> > I would not of even raised an issue.
> >
>
> That's the idea.
I am confused.
Is this a new list or a list that has existed for some time?
> This only handles the reap situation, which takes too long to leave
> > a menteee hanging, they are gone long before you get to this point.
> >
> > Perhaps adding an item to the new committers guide:
> > If a mentor should go unresponsive or seem to be inactive
> > in the project you should contact core@ asking for remediation or
> > reassignment of that mentor.
> >
>
> We've talked about a 6 month timeout for new committees. Nothing definite.
That is another issue, not the issue I raise above. My concern is that
mentors may not be responsive to a mentee, and that needs a clear path
for the mentee to take action on. Aka neel has been gone for a long
long time, and Grehan has been gone for months, yet we are just now
picking up a new mentor for Anish. That preferable would of happened within
days of Grehan leaving.
> > - Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
> > >
> > > - Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive
> > emails about
> > > reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms that
> > the bit
> > > can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to send
> > warning
> > > emails, but Ren? is currently taking care of this job.
> > >
> > > - Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first check
> > the
> > > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new
> > mentor must
> > > be found before the bit is taken in.
> >
> > I see no reason for delaying the reap action, that just further leaves
> > the mentee in limbo. Perhaps:
> > Once it has been established that a bit is to be take in, first check the
> > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, create a core@
> > action item to find them a replacement, inform the mentee that this action
> > item has been created, asking them if they have any input as to who might
> > be a good canidate. Reassign them to core@ in the mentors file.
> >
>
> We were able to find someone in 10ish minutes... there was no delay... it
> was one of the pre-commit activities.
That was this time, that may not always be the case, lets solve the problem
and document that solution so that the future is handled.
> There was one more: is this person a vendor committer? Is so, we do need to
> do additional checks to help vendor relationships. Normally, these are
> managed well, but if we get to time out for a vendor committer, that
> suggests something may have broken down. At one point the vendor wanted a
> fast path into the project.
Do we even track vendor bits, do we have any action plan for vendor
bits when that person leaves a vendor, should there be an action,
should it be possible for a vendor to reap the bit?
The whole vendor things just raises a huge can of worms.
> We also need to check to see if the volunteer is in any groups as well.
committer?
Yes, defanitly, and that should include more than hat's, which is what
I think you meant by "groups".
> Warner
>
> > - If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the
> > developer
> > > from the mentors file.
> > >
> > > - Remove the developer from the access file.
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.ne=
t>
> wrote:
>> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
>> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
>> > New Revision: 345786
>> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
>> > Log:
>> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
>> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
>> > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
>> Can we please have a check list that when someones
>> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
>> for more than N days, N being something rather small
>> given the context here, that includes the item:
>> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
> Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> retirement...
<snip>
This is the current checklist:
=2D Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
=2D Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive emails=
about
reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms that the =
bit
can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to send warni=
ng
emails, but Ren=C3=A9 is currently taking care of this job.
=20=20
=2D Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first check =
the
mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new mentor m=
ust
be found before the bit is taken in.
=20=20
=2D If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the develo=
per
from the mentors file.
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> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 8:26 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > > freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> > > > >> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> > > > >> > New Revision: 345786
> > > > >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
> > > >
> > > > >> > Log:
> > > > >> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
> > > >
> > > > >> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> > > > >> > Differential Revision:
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
> > > >
> > > > >> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> > > > >> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> > > > >> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> > > > >> given the context here, that includes the item:
> > > >
> > > > >> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> > > > > retirement...
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > This is the current checklist:
> > >
> > > Should this be a publically visible check list? If I had know of it
> > > I would not of even raised an issue.
> > >
> >
> > That's the idea.
>
> I am confused.
> Is this a new list or a list that has existed for some time?
>
This is new list. It's a great idea so I has Joseph create it.
> This only handles the reap situation, which takes too long to leave
> > > a menteee hanging, they are gone long before you get to this point.
> > >
> > > Perhaps adding an item to the new committers guide:
> > > If a mentor should go unresponsive or seem to be inactive
> > > in the project you should contact core@ asking for
> remediation or
> > > reassignment of that mentor.
> > >
> >
> > We've talked about a 6 month timeout for new committees. Nothing
> definite.
>
That is another issue, not the issue I raise above. My concern is that
> mentors may not be responsive to a mentee, and that needs a clear path
> for the mentee to take action on. Aka neel has been gone for a long
> long time, and Grehan has been gone for months, yet we are just now
> picking up a new mentor for Anish. That preferable would of happened
> within
> days of Grehan leaving.
>
Agreed. It is a separate issue even to the one you raised. Balls were
dropped in the past. Checklists help stop that. The problem with some
departures is that they are effective long before we realize it. The 6
month checkup is a backstop to deal with that in a more formal way, as well
as giving us a chance to make sure the fit is good, there is still interest
from the mentee, etc.
Warner
> > - Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
> > > >
> > > > - Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive
> > > emails about
> > > > reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms
> that
> > > the bit
> > > > can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to
> send
> > > warning
> > > > emails, but Ren? is currently taking care of this job.
> > > >
> > > > - Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first
> check
> > > the
> > > > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new
> > > mentor must
> > > > be found before the bit is taken in.
> > >
> > > I see no reason for delaying the reap action, that just further leaves
> > > the mentee in limbo. Perhaps:
> > > Once it has been established that a bit is to be take in, first check
> the
> > > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, create a
> core@
> > > action item to find them a replacement, inform the mentee that this
> action
> > > item has been created, asking them if they have any input as to who
> might
> > > be a good canidate. Reassign them to core@ in the mentors file.
> > >
> >
> > We were able to find someone in 10ish minutes... there was no delay... it
> > was one of the pre-commit activities.
>
> That was this time, that may not always be the case, lets solve the problem
> and document that solution so that the future is handled.
>
> > There was one more: is this person a vendor committer? Is so, we do need
> to
> > do additional checks to help vendor relationships. Normally, these are
> > managed well, but if we get to time out for a vendor committer, that
> > suggests something may have broken down. At one point the vendor wanted a
> > fast path into the project.
>
> Do we even track vendor bits, do we have any action plan for vendor
> bits when that person leaves a vendor, should there be an action,
> should it be possible for a vendor to reap the bit?
>
> The whole vendor things just raises a huge can of worms.
>
> > We also need to check to see if the volunteer is in any groups as well.
> committer?
> Yes, defanitly, and that should include more than hat's, which is what
> I think you meant by "groups".
>
> > Warner
> >
> > > - If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the
> > > developer
> > > > from the mentors file.
> > > >
> > > > - Remove the developer from the access file.
> > > >
> > > > Joseph
> > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
> --
> Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
>
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> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> >> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> >> > New Revision: 345786
> >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
>
> >> > Log:
> >> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
>
> >> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> >> > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
>
> >> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> >> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> >> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> >> given the context here, that includes the item:
>
> >> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
>
>
> > Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> > retirement...
>
> <snip>
>
> This is the current checklist:
Should this be a publically visible check list? If I had know of it
I would not of even raised an issue.
This only handles the reap situation, which takes too long to leave
a menteee hanging, they are gone long before you get to this point.
Perhaps adding an item to the new committers guide:
If a mentor should go unresponsive or seem to be inactive
in the project you should contact core@ asking for remediation or
reassignment of that mentor.
> - Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
>
> - Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive emails about
> reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms that the bit
> can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to send warning
> emails, but Ren? is currently taking care of this job.
>
> - Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first check the
> mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new mentor must
> be found before the bit is taken in.
I see no reason for delaying the reap action, that just further leaves
the mentee in limbo. Perhaps:
Once it has been established that a bit is to be take in, first check the
mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, create a core@
action item to find them a replacement, inform the mentee that this action
item has been created, asking them if they have any input as to who might
be a good canidate. Reassign them to core@ in the mentors file.
> - If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the developer
> from the mentors file.
>
> - Remove the developer from the access file.
>
> --
> Joseph
--
Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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Missed part of this the first time...
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 9:45 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 8:26 PM Rodney W. Grimes <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:15 PM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > > freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> > Author: jrm (ports committer)
> > > > >> > Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
> > > > >> > New Revision: 345786
> > > > >> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
> > > >
> > > > >> > Log:
> > > > >> > Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
> > > >
> > > > >> > Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
> > > > >> > Differential Revision:
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
> > > >
> > > > >> Can we please have a check list that when someones
> > > > >> commit bit is reaped, or steps away from the project
> > > > >> for more than N days, N being something rather small
> > > > >> given the context here, that includes the item:
> > > >
> > > > >> x) Is this person a mentor of anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Great idea... Joseph will put one together based on this round of
> > > > > retirement...
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > This is the current checklist:
> > >
> > > Should this be a publically visible check list? If I had know of it
> > > I would not of even raised an issue.
> > >
> >
> > That's the idea.
>
> I am confused.
> Is this a new list or a list that has existed for some time?
>
> > This only handles the reap situation, which takes too long to leave
> > > a menteee hanging, they are gone long before you get to this point.
> > >
> > > Perhaps adding an item to the new committers guide:
> > > If a mentor should go unresponsive or seem to be inactive
> > > in the project you should contact core@ asking for
> remediation or
> > > reassignment of that mentor.
> > >
> >
> > We've talked about a 6 month timeout for new committees. Nothing
> definite.
> That is another issue, not the issue I raise above. My concern is that
> mentors may not be responsive to a mentee, and that needs a clear path
> for the mentee to take action on. Aka neel has been gone for a long
> long time, and Grehan has been gone for months, yet we are just now
> picking up a new mentor for Anish. That preferable would of happened
> within
> days of Grehan leaving.
>
> > > - Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
> > > >
> > > > - Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive
> > > emails about
> > > > reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms
> that
> > > the bit
> > > > can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to
> send
> > > warning
> > > > emails, but Ren? is currently taking care of this job.
> > > >
> > > > - Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, first
> check
> > > the
> > > > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, a new
> > > mentor must
> > > > be found before the bit is taken in.
> > >
> > > I see no reason for delaying the reap action, that just further leaves
> > > the mentee in limbo. Perhaps:
> > > Once it has been established that a bit is to be take in, first check
> the
> > > mentors file to see if this developer is a mentor. If so, create a
> core@
> > > action item to find them a replacement, inform the mentee that this
> action
> > > item has been created, asking them if they have any input as to who
> might
> > > be a good canidate. Reassign them to core@ in the mentors file.
> > >
> >
> > We were able to find someone in 10ish minutes... there was no delay... it
> > was one of the pre-commit activities.
>
> That was this time, that may not always be the case, lets solve the problem
> and document that solution so that the future is handled.
>
Yup. We delayed it, but it turned out that it came together fast.
> There was one more: is this person a vendor committer? Is so, we do need
> to
> > do additional checks to help vendor relationships. Normally, these are
> > managed well, but if we get to time out for a vendor committer, that
> > suggests something may have broken down. At one point the vendor wanted a
> > fast path into the project.
>
> Do we even track vendor bits, do we have any action plan for vendor
> bits when that person leaves a vendor, should there be an action,
> should it be possible for a vendor to reap the bit?
>
We don't track that. We can reap them. It's just that we need to try to get
a definitive response a little harder. The process is already a months long
thing, so there is time...
The whole vendor things just raises a huge can of worms.
>
Why? We usually give them out to vendors that have a relationship to the
project long term, but whose staff rotates in and out. A little extra care
hardly opens a can of worms.
In this case, I knew the mentor was one who fostered vendor relationships
in reviewing the changes. That made me realize I should ask about it. When
the checklist idea was put forward I realized the ad hoc system should have
a more details written down.
> We also need to check to see if the volunteer is in any groups as well.
> committer?
> Yes, defanitly, and that should include more than hat's, which is what
> I think you meant by "groups".
>
We've moved to teams to support hats and also to work problems. Those
people shouldn't be timing out, in general, so checking into what they had
been doing seems prudent. We may want to retire them from the so team. Or
maybe not if they are the active secretary...
Warner
> Warner
> >
> > > - If the developer whose bit to be removed is a mentee, remove the
> > > developer
> > > > from the mentors file.
> > > >
> > > > - Remove the developer from the access file.
> > > >
> > > > Joseph
> > > Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
> --
> Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
>
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Date: Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019
New Revision: 345786
URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345786
Log:
Set jhb@ as new mentor to anish@
Approved by: core (brooks, seanc)
Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D19782
Modified:
svnadmin/conf/mentors
Modified: svnadmin/conf/mentors
==============================================================================
--- svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:28:04 2019 (r345785)
+++ svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 1 21:34:58 2019 (r345786)
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
# Mentee Mentor Optional comment
achim scottl Co-mentor: emaste
-anish neel Co-mentor: grehan
+anish jhb
bcran eadler
brd allanjude Co-mentor: bapt
def pjd
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Here is an updated checklist based on the feedback.
=2D Check for idle developers using: idle-commit-bits.pl base 18
=2D Source bits are taken in for safekeeping after three consecutive emails=
about
reaping go unanswered, or if the developer in question confirms that the =
bit
can be taken in. The email-to-idlers.pl script can be used to send warni=
ng
emails, but Ren=C3=A9 is currently taking care of this job.
=20=20
=2D Once it has been established that a bit is to be taken in, follow these=
steps.
1. Check whether the bit is associated with a vendor committer. Is so,
consider further investigation to determine the cause of the inactiv=
ity.
Has something changed with this vendor?
2. Check the mentors file to determine whether this developer is either=
a
mentor or a mentee. If the developer is a mentee, remove the develo=
per
from the mentors file. If the developer is a mentor, create a core@=
item
to find the mentee a new mentor, inform the mentee that this item has
been created, and ask the mentee for input on who might be a suitable
replacement as a new mentor. Assign core@ as the temporary mentor.
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
3. Check whether the developer is a member of any groups. If so, inform
those groups that the developer's commit be is being taken in, and a=
sk
that the developer be removed from the group.
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
4. If the developer wishes to continue receiving developer@ mail,
ask postmaster@ to add the developer to alumni group.
=20=20
5. Remove the developer from the access file.
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Release bcran
Rebecca has not actually needed mentorship in some time.
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--- svnadmin/conf/mentors Sun Apr 7 17:22:31 2019 (r346014)
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# Mentee Mentor Optional comment
achim scottl Co-mentor: emaste
anish jhb
-bcran eadler
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def pjd
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sqlite3 import into the vendor branch is now complete.
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Sizelimit for sqlite3-3.27.1 (3270100).
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New Revision: 346555
URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/346555
Log:
Release ngie@ from mentorship
They've demonstrated they're back up to speed on current FreeBSD
conventions and tooling.
Discussed with: jtl
Modified:
svnadmin/conf/mentors
Modified: svnadmin/conf/mentors
==============================================================================
--- svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 22 14:20:49 2019 (r346554)
+++ svnadmin/conf/mentors Mon Apr 22 14:49:24 2019 (r346555)
@@ -23,7 +23,6 @@ mahrens mckusick
mhorne markj
miwi araujo
mjoras rstone
-ngie emaste Co-mentor: jtl
peterj jhb Co-mentor: grog
ram ken Co-mentor: mav
rgrimes phk Co-mentor: bde