From owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sun Jun 14 00:52:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93625347774 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22d.google.com (mail-lj1-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49kwsF5Lx0z3Rsc for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22d.google.com with SMTP id n24so15080351lji.10 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=wJbxO+c1tPJ+zUjJzP2b4KJQeatK8rCbXIZWq6sLYTA=; b=AxmZwNx4YDoaot7GcaSJu3LOEmsu9w/HirBbO+DhjnsdY8ePwfdB8oioW+Xb77Sb22 I12xMLivD+O0BQSPxC5zvuUtE9IyOF/m/EG+wt+wnBLCDbkcgY5huF1anhGEuqOjNg3t orsPZTD23fbda2MgwKD1/cGR5UJlLtUZ4VxnuJBG58b54mJlc7CWiKvMK7+GGs2091GO oa4ZMWe+g9SC13RCNsarmfbIGNFm/02iLuyH9ZKmSx9MJgj4iiZCAewY+3qYV3ELcr1j sf5EULNdxSGmyLtPXDWbkdQRvTfYwELaaOpQrck4Tw3gDv80XViENJOtzvCq3D8SrEfG Z3+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wJbxO+c1tPJ+zUjJzP2b4KJQeatK8rCbXIZWq6sLYTA=; b=P77xLkXsbW1IT8HPvYCZMLWpnWL580Ic6HECBCbz0NbubLEdMZzYjrmssY6k68LRmY vIoGLnoFYeJJoxhvPu6dbPWO+KQ0NT6hAMOnc0BBsNFq61c41FLtIxzzSwCy1Z7xBXZr /AfH1cVV5e0DLrSlq1iQisLnHbRbrozmFpONLTohSvUKiZ3zCmgntE+Znhh7S3ziSq2H N2ZW8YaBbqZdKGKWStzPM2U/PZF7cF0/nnF5IXfIGX9iCKSQAflAT1zML8FI5S8xNs5Z qHdmv40UR7SO7R5YMLhtXUHPHoEmkEyGQ/kgtNmwg+6gUNxLgD8RN33FYZZU6MzaQNoL TbzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530FPA6UGEnxkVjnmXQCZNeE1nxj4s25F7hDJfZZWwwoonsssHUz tOeVb5FBIS6EThn4exZpCXgsRK0wSIFEb3vMJCQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyPRSLfRyT1qPujvfJWA1UBTmYO+Qnd4Ig5jLHwfiG4GItrT+BKYENbvzUqgxxgIJ9hTiZoWTkL7RJSoOQ87vQ= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:959a:: with SMTP id w26mr9270751ljh.74.1592095918646; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:51:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Donald Wilde Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Seeking Guidance and/or Clarification To: Juan Lopez Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49kwsF5Lx0z3Rsc X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AxmZwNx4; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.74 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.766]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.956]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.014]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:52:02 -0000 On 6/13/20, Juan Lopez wrote: > Good Evening Sir/Mam, > > I'm trying to clarify a couple of issues; Hello, Juan -- > 1. I am trying to make a case of using FreeBSD as the primary system for > use in health care, however when I searched online for examples of FreeBSD > being used in health care, I found no examples or use cases. Is there a > particular reason why there are few instances of FreeBSD being used in the > health care sector? I think the issue is two-fold. FWIW, FreeBSD is only _known_ _of_ by people deeply involved in coding, and that's why we have freebsd-advocacy as a mailing list. Secondly, if a FOSS solution is proposed, any who understand FOSS will quickly point to how much easier something like Ubuntu is to get running. > 2. What would be a reasonable way of providing evidence of using FreeBSD in > such a case as this. During meetings, it seems that every time an open > source solution is suggested, all types of questions surrounding liability, > support, implementation, etc. are brought up and it kills the idea before > it can move forward and be taken into serious consideration. > Health care, especially in America, is already a really contentious area, for all the reasons you just mentioned. It is a minefield in which you risk getting blown up (and possibly losing your job) before you get your foot in the door. Doctors, especially, seem to think that their time is worth more than anyone else's in the world, so it is a "tough row to hoe." I won't even get into the insurance industry angle, for they are also "loaded for bear." The shooting is already going on. I would suggest that you try to be part of the solution by building up and establishing on the Internet a FreeBSD-based server that solves a particular need in the health care system. It could be a web server or it could be a lower-level knowledge-caching system or it could be both. Use your personal knowledge of your industry to identify a point of pain and solve it. Don't make an insistent point of saying "it's FreeBSD," make the point that it works and does something useful. By doing so, you'll not only move the health care world forward, you'll -- if you're smart -- set it up as a simple business venture for which you get paid by everyone else in Healthcare! > Excuse me if the issue was not asked on the proper mailing list for this > matter, but it is important to find resources within the community who may > provide insight into the matter. Seems to me that this is the right mailing list on which to open the question. :) Thank you for bringing it up! We all care about being healthy. 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