From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 00:43:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2522A88B0 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490Cfb3DmXz4LYR; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 03C0hXkv025059; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 03C0hXdl025058; Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202004120043.03C0hXdl025058@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience In-Reply-To: <7E83538A-9360-4B0D-9190-6E3A675C53DD@gmail.com> To: Enji Cooper Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) CC: John-Mark Gurney , Kyle Evans , FreeBSD Hackers X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490Cfb3DmXz4LYR X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net has no SPF policy when checking 69.59.192.140) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.31)[-0.306,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.03)[-0.033,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (0.13), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.06), asn: 13868(0.03), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 00:43:36 -0000 > > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 5:46 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > > Kyle Evans wrote this message on Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 09:49 -0500: > > ? > > >> My memory here is incredibly hazy, it may be that I was scarred by > >> history not persisting at all across sessions or something like this; > >> I quickly installed zsh and never looked back. > > > > Yeah, history isn't kept by default, not sure if there's an option to > > keep it, if there is, I don't see it in the man page, and ctrl-r doesn't > > work either. > > There is history support, but it?s not on by default and it?s not spelled the same way as other shells (I don?t think it?s persistent between shell invocations, however): > > The following variables affect the execution of fc: > > FCEDIT Name of the editor to use for history editing. > > HISTSIZE The number of previous commands that are > accessible. > > > Given that the only other base system shell option is csh, I opt out of both and always install bash (I haven?t quite jumped on the zsh train yet). > Thanks, There are many blogs around for the Linuxes about what to do right after you finish an install, like the apt get update, apt get upgrade.. blah blah blah. Perhaps a few of those for FreeBSD would go a long way to dull a few of our poken sticken? After you have installed a FreeBSD basic system you may wish to: 1) Install an alternate shell. FreeBSD ships with 2 very minimal shells, /bin/sh and /bin/csh (actaull a tcsh). Many users like bash, zsh, or ksh any of which can be installed with: pkg install 2) If you need a desktop experience you'll need to add X11: .... I feel this would go a long long ways in moving the peg forward. > -Enji -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org