From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 00:01:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5FD24D3A5 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic304-23.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KnMN2bmfz3Mfm for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: uHpjug0VM1nzpSmzdHjuhADzyBarznN0IcO1M8UzBVD1Sjy0DnCdQMO1.svmRwD BzZANdu.iLnHZg.mRZKAoGgxIbuISHCw25aGOM8QLeS5aY8jgbXjLYxDrYY7XEYgnfI_yrExt4P2 zDg.Q.xi7MVLtbsj9AT.6yVbOT7AoJMeLKXHXoMC.3zx9P1Y5mhkUUvt49R1.GBjI646c8bu.DyE aJrzxKuKddAdMRZ4IJ3jpYLfXavp.Q2VLxCaOcZNlPMFWx7P6G.A.RgENu8NBpNh_KhFWogAdQ3G OQd1IhNU9X_.Xaru8dRAAmLS5WHWNATkTFiPhUNuogIQLoUU4Fo1.dTtVP6fq_DQ5HfFOu68GXYq tS07yaWuLkAY7ri0lzwCIb446NNEt.KNP3n9WeN2VVbRWKPr.Xi3CPDTmqVA9lsnEz89KR3brFDI qhs_EiriuzFsFjaDSHcOl.7EtLvQe9dv5G.VBdWFsD_i9i1fqQrUXDO1kWZTHrXtuczHHwLJrT06 Rlbu8iF7rhMj.6uxD3oKiC00QNJM4MRjr69sx3Jrx5x8P8VM2rbR2K5kfa.0K2sRLBhaoJXh0zaX nkJkCWlZ7u28FWBIDdOOmFkIpKz4Y9hvoGrUILu51AgNW9tvKQ8FCN2fDDF8gsWQ28eKwZJfoJA7 Bfo9bhWrwLn_.El5GLDjBz7c4AmXdCO1Ha8lXAfkFvueegVt3Te6D4156vXOjuoQl6oAsz.7iGrL ZxG5N6Y2ovbva7fgskKQM20L_SENWhGspfTcwpNGIhS0xldbTY54xUNPPQfYpmG2_vUi.waSDiBW tAn4g04Dpn.XaMrh_qhiH1TRMgyG_VCs3H_KOGG9e8t6RfMs220yWSxjku8LB0yyA7V5orViwf00 iCfTcGJjiWNypfM0wE5VxvxL_NnBCvjROUR7ms3Q45OukQpZ0sAakGVyOaFNqs1rrEcMFkialytL MiTU3_1.YwtN22B81xX8EO1VQtrejRFqHCL9UmRz5qTnRqfK_6dpgPtTLIHGWNabgVJNMcf1AwuW iS7Zww4bP3NBC0ekdBh1c4YMFopFpxZaujR.mDteFIa6CTqCysyBTFawJlutadKXUJzyaLQh5PGs FcvIN2csLz8yE1MPoXHIgbZuBMBzZT137MIysV99PgR4U6HVvm2LzrwiPUCqE.hZ2XWW6kmo6QZ6 dxIpZmeLzS36lyj1awfdGDlB4oWZxb7OYFwf0PBYofpQeQdYNMOv_FRiL7ZoxkoIWBhWFvdbBv1I xwUyG_mWFohT4fjYVXsM5vOp4Rulwf0pydLhOnkhGxd0wB4oPQOLvQ_Kp31SSCE4pfudNmy5FM7w 0FRwF6j8U0uYKf.G.RiosaFA227fqSM1rgHcU5ja5trLzRiHEZOZ99pm1uInOjtRIRLe2u4OM8tQ fjMZwVGbDSBNTQQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:01:01 +0000 Received: by smtp426.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a9fb926173775aeaf5066eef86c869d9; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 01:00:58 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200216010058.73f83086@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200215232931.5a9132b2e83daa2d0a06dac8@sohara.org> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <1848571509.3253011.1581719423989@mail.yahoo.com> <20200215195303.464e585a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200215202033.6c856b8f7639b304d96e68ce@sohara.org> <20200215215825.5d3c9a1a@archlinux> <20200215211542.e8cc2827fc4664ea4bcad918@sohara.org> <20200215223449.355a9ac9@archlinux> <20200215223649.40196f37@archlinux> <20200215232623.7995b06e@archlinux> <20200215235822.f804ffc6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200215232931.5a9132b2e83daa2d0a06dac8@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KnMN2bmfz3Mfm X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.69)[-0.685,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.00)[0.001,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[148.179.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (4.51), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.16), asn: 34010(1.70), country: GB(-0.07)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:01:05 -0000 On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 23:29:31 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 23:58:22 +0100 >Polytropon wrote: > >> And all of them connect to the Internet, using a device that >> internally uses a BSD or a Linux, and the bowels of the Internet >> consist primarily of BSD and Linux. Add "Linux-like things" to >> the mix, like Android smartphones, or "BSD-like things" like >> Macs, and numbers might look a little different. > > The late Morten Reistad used to post (in > alt.folklore.computers) >about the numbers of processors with memory management being made and >comparing that with Windows licenses, Apple and Android phone >production numbers. Windows, MacOs and commercial unix licenses only >account for a small fraction of the CPUs made - most of them have to >be running something else Linux (Android, routers, TVs, cars ...), BSD >(routers and who knows what else) and Mach (iThingies) being the >obvious available kernels. The "blue screen" I often see, when I take a look at the displays used by public service vehicles, lead to Windows as the used embedded operating system. Apart from this a friend has got some inside regarding specialized embedded systems. There at least was a tendency to migrate from BSD or Linux to Windows. Seriously, when I use the public bus to go to work, I often see a blue screen and some output of error messages, with paths using backslashes.