From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun May 24 01:38:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3602F4B8A for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 01:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49V2t75Sb9z446s for ; Sun, 24 May 2020 01:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id z3so11327573otp.9 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:38:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cKf53TD4MM06mZDPeLqNwiFhA+Vo6Kc+zAfoD3Mrecg=; b=baXH4uIgLFvMhIxjnbGHSAS+Mt0qBEIfU+dDag8jc6hSO2R29TnG59X47RE69asGXJ hFX+WlIFTj0KlR3IwkCwCPLS/P0HbA1pCaMnijw6k+854MDkUA7LhP/TJK5H1vD9ySNV ERYQmtzdB7gftAbzyoTqkglufBTdkxS64Oheb9cxlHzNl4bkx4ozLVhYuW+sbxPpnF2X CVaEB9C6YXgqN5scWZpPmqKjaXeMxSdvBBDfiCEkRywPrTE3c1h1qEpSbpY3Wv9gxXv6 2ECrYGyYRVJKM/PEjZMxs/NIegr2jiG+WdN4WbH0/jWtz+far6EF+9JXWW8C9Kv8tHRG tyMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cKf53TD4MM06mZDPeLqNwiFhA+Vo6Kc+zAfoD3Mrecg=; b=PpOt/KAJf267VDKAiDd98kEk0sjUTNbs4gWLkjevG61WVmmj88TWWSXMzFshIGyueO rGswuiMFeXqdN7MFxUXlrwyVmViRfdGVdVZIPuKE4kwibmzCQkmVbc/CDB/x1pD5GkNC TNpiwUxLF+9aYAdZmyVfNMG+Vzh3b6+tQLV1GaaIRJUg5AwFXsHZX02ZCpcxk1piDniC dpZsjkZIc8KA8tmwgwfPwFITa8GXiM1yheJ3SKQTjuJdVXJeAv2Cosk3wjwJ/zLVFGHc YGqf3p80CSf+1ggfHOWrshAfKxctwSLDuLfvgfiFPOpGtatC2j/3JWuey83A9dqXgcJH QR5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Sk2cDnceJ/kVYRfInS1L533Y1cNIt3hq7i4YduM+TRThGcGML 6vYKRCIgWSKiRtJCrpEvOhXBliDFaMXUHcntsgRSFA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwoohbraUeR0xqskzPq+5FM03TgpW7NLsF9VSnOeBR5D3Ikj9PRyJ68XwDcYKM8hM1mIxPRyhxZ2ZStVfvMScw= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:785a:: with SMTP id c26mr15362536otm.39.1590284286360; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 19:37:54 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49V2t75Sb9z446s X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=baXH4uIg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kurtbuff@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::334 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kurtbuff@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.074]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.945]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.396]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 01:38:09 -0000 On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 12:39 AM Doug Denault wrote: > Thoughts/questions on updating a FreeBSD desktop. > > This comes out of the "FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life" thread. It seems to me there > are two distinct sets of users: server and desktop. There have to be a few like > me with a foot in each camp. I am somewhat in the same situation - I am no longer primarily a sysadmin, but have stood up a few servers, and currently I use a couple of FreeBSD machines on our vSphere cluster, and FreeBSD as my secondary desktop, running as a VM on VMWare Workstation Pro on my personal Win10 laptop and under Hyper-V on my work laptop. > The desktop is a whole different thing. Why yes - it is. :) > My solution has been every so often > start fresh because I can not afford the time to risk a non-working desktop. I have done that a couple of times, but haven't needed to do that in quite a while. But, because the desktops are secondary, and not as heavily used, perhaps that makes a difference. > When the ports moved to being based on the release head I had high hopes. I > think I did not understand what that actually meant. My environment is xfce with > enough stuff to give me something close to my partner's OS/X system. In addition > to the "normal" stuff for me this means having, firefox, chrome, libreoffice, > mysql and tigervnc. This ends up with 625 (or so) ports and packages. I did my > current system in December. I don't use mysql on my desktops (but if I needed a database, I'd use postgresql), otherwise I tend to use things like nmap and other network-centric tools. > In this environment, I have never been able to update firefox or the xfce > desktop/panel components to correct bugs or get a new feature. Hmmm..... I have good results using synth, like "portsnap fetch update && synth upgrade-system" and let it run overnight. I do that whenever the mood strikes, or once a month, whichever comes first. > So for example, when glib-2 56 3_6,1 is updated to glib-2 56 3_6,2 or later, I > can not update using pkg or ports. So I guess the question is, is this a Make > file issue, or is the next version really not compatible? As long as the answer > is, either who knows, or it's the same thing, I am pretty much forced to follow > my pattern of all or nothing updating. This has not really been an issue for me, > I've had no security issues as these systems have always been behind a router > and I also use a basic ipfw configuration. > > So all of this is to ask is the update problem totally a technical one, or a > natural consequence stemming from how the FreeBSD project organized? Can't say - haven't had the problems you're seeing. But again - I'm not a heave desktop user, so perhaps I'm not stressing my system like you are. Kurt