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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.627]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:62.210.0.0/16, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:21:11 -0000 Hello, As usual I did my upgrade through freebsd-update, when doing freebsd-update install I got the error message : Installing updates...install: ///usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-anchor.debug: No such file or directory install: ///usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-checkconf.debug: No such file or directory install: ///usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-control.debug: No such file or directory install: ///usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound.debug: No such file or directory =C2=A0done. Then when my freebsd-update cron the following night gave the message : The following files are affected by updates. No changes have been downloaded, however, because the files have been modified locally: /var/db/mergemaster.mtree The following files will be added as part of updating to 11.3-RELEASE-p11: /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-anchor.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-checkconf.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound-control.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/local-unbound.debug What should I do ? 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[65.25.51.0]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p66sm17192314qkf.58.2020.07.12.17.32.42 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:32:41 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Command to create multiple virtual NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B4l3c251Nz4Cm6 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AAHc7DTA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luzar722@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luzar722@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[65.25.51.0:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.12)[0.122]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:32:45 -0000 Hello List; I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. What is command to do that? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 00:47:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7253D35345A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x234.google.com (mail-oi1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4lNj4m82z4DFm for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x234.google.com with SMTP id h17so9668596oie.3 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ld2FGfLAaQa9qECiD+XsHEk7EhIZFJu4C6Q6iwH6oV8=; b=PgIoSZGlBn1W+tJfrlQuMCXD0gRylG+NqR+vKUePCVU/JbiRAAgtSfC+tc9AqiBYaJ wn/YJWRIONOEBSBX8x+rxLXoP8JG8/Hr1SNcPdrSOqUBkSvpzw0aYiqnI0ESwzYhtldU gd/o68bK9GzxelKgSnJz7h+yi1aT0iScmF8/btxzuf7oZQGw69cxCgAJ/I1bOm90ERGf u7KEpWSvLa/caRc20E0dnCwybxwl4cxV021BWu4drEohJinrvHFdH71JsvOky/aPaBnU wjyL6WxqGWcydeeqDkALvIZ20nGaDDxvJ/s9BDs6MLlZJbXyVmzeRitleMcI3rBREM+U hzEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ld2FGfLAaQa9qECiD+XsHEk7EhIZFJu4C6Q6iwH6oV8=; b=SSm8WFMZoeFEkA1+iMlT7F9P8eRsxQxhFmY1GckVXRIHHvcScRyyXciRitFynAeYs2 3XG5fRWZhOGFSaXtAfBqYifJ8aW/z3rH4tWZNwK3FxKzR40I/SYyl7mXLBHG5oenB0y3 dsC+BqrtZDGH0iRvBPdOMoGvSTm05+rq6Jc6C+gyFep50KUz/As1FGIse5jI9LX/+Tke 3luDrTsmLbLolgK5Y95HPiGQHfZjvWGaCTviWjhql3ikmcsIdsob80FEX6L7JtWKyIj6 qy4HVHOqnDmgdCtdQotuXDJBCeH/rBpRYFJMNBHoOd4y3jDDHvbwRFRQRkPZpquu2RZo vg6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WDDYiSy6JSwW0BWw0pKpPSHniOAcU9DsWuz/NmjOow/MZbkJj JtDg/Df/fxrPh0spUtMj2CMDCdz0NsM1nwow7KegBE0b X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyd6WgI2J1rlaUYyHPrzEoK1V5l9S7expFVOL0VikEqWabqb7ODMmfkzt9jJuTWFPaiY0tohc24rSyFZbVa78Y= X-Received: by 2002:aca:eb4c:: with SMTP id j73mr11664541oih.80.1594601252112; Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:47:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> From: "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:47:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B4lNj4m82z4DFm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PgIoSZGl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kurtbuff@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kurtbuff@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.66 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::234:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.313]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:47:34 -0000 What are you trying to accomplish? On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Hello List; > I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. > What is command to do that? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 00:49:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6548E3534FF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from mout3.freenet.de (mout3.freenet.de [IPv6:2001:748:100:40::2:5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.freenet.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4lQS4Tf1z4DCp for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wesley@freenetMail.de) Received: from [195.4.92.163] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jumeT-0002KF-If for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:49:01 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:33008 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jumeT-0001I9-Fp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:49:01 +0200 Received: from sub5.freenet.de ([195.4.92.124]:55166) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jumbq-0001A3-CK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:46:18 +0200 Received: from [154.213.3.116] (port=51153 helo=[172.21.87.147]) by sub5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID wesley@freenetMail.de) (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:256) (port 587) (Exim 4.92 #3) id 1jumbq-0003WC-4T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:46:18 +0200 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Wesley Subject: libev and libevent Message-ID: <0e89c5bd-836e-222b-439e-c44da487bc30@freenetMail.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:46:15 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originated-At: 154.213.3.116!51153 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B4lQS4Tf1z4DCp X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wesley@freenetMail.de has no SPF policy when checking 2001:748:100:40::2:5) smtp.mailfrom=wesley@freenetMail.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.59)[0.592]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freenetMail.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.652]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.55)[0.550]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:748:100:40::2:5:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5430, ipnet:2001:748::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 00:49:05 -0000 HI for development library, what's the difference for libev and libevent? if you have real experience on both them please share the comments. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 06:13:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D929359BEF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from tgv.rail.eu.org (tgv.rail.eu.org [62.210.247.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4tcr4KK3z4T7P for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e0a:2b7:70e1:89d5:49c9:bd17:57ff] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:2b7:70e1:89d5:49c9:bd17:57ff]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: erwan) by tgv.rail.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77BB5AED for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:13:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=rail.eu.org; s=mail; t=1594620809; bh=M5OYvGtlUC1bLXSAtIAnIAWMmwZRaw7bIEt9z+zG5/M=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=dJLZ/I+w3WsGSowLtMAref8TqS3p2vbPzbVkY7lc2p9x4/T7UrhHoiBrKb2HTExEu M4zB1ZfWxctfrU9GLkpiZztBSAlEc64WD/jiq02jgnvQBzSNa+msJZvvvA8gdNZkAN XTTmxhjrJOVA6JMYdlBR5xTxpYTETW0uS4AV6K7A= Subject: Re: Problems with upgrade form 11.3-p10 RELEASE to 11.3-p11 RELEASE To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Erwan David Message-ID: <3013ce29-62b8-2abf-846f-adc240b5be8a@rail.eu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:13:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B4tcr4KK3z4T7P X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rail.eu.org header.s=mail header.b=dJLZ/I+w; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rail.eu.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of erwan@rail.eu.org designates 62.210.247.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=erwan@rail.eu.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.77 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rail.eu.org:s=mail]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.012]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.228]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rail.eu.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rail.eu.org,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12876, ipnet:62.210.0.0/16, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:13:33 -0000 Le 12/07/2020 à 21:10, Dale Scott a écrit : > I solved this by simply creating empty dir /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/ and running freebsd-update again. > Thanks it works. 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I remember you telling me about the program petite cloud and was wondering if you would show me how it works. I found CBSD and Intellij projects and want to know more about how they work too and find anymore programs available on freebsd like these if you know of any. Could you remind me of how to change the settings in thunderbird so I'm not top posting and replying correctly too? 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The problem is with some utility programs like "curl" or "wget" When using either program to assess "https://www.spamhaus.org" a failure message is emitted similar to the following: curl https://www.spamhaus.org curl: (6) Could not resolve host: www.spamhaus.org The "nameserver" is set to "127.0.0.1" when that occurs. If I modify it as shown below to "192.168.1.1" everything works fine. nameserver 192.168.1.1 options edns0 I can find not entries in the firewall to indicate what is happening. I even shut down the firewall to see if it had any effect. It didn't. Has anyone ever see this before? I have tried rebooting, etcetera; all without satisfactory results. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 16:06:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF6636879E for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72f.google.com (mail-qk1-x72f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B57nP0mbHz4883 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72f.google.com with SMTP id z63so12671242qkb.8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2ad+gwTf75Nf80kk0uZhHKsJ6B4wH4BVIwumSWZVcC8=; b=Ha2COVUEbtxMlSx1xzxRQBRWdwF+qR+1Xj2QZtzirzIpD/7as4dUiUX8y5Nj1twqbd I7mywAzSLj7XW9FPR229PFDYKyFfyz9nd4fvwJxAdqlb8tdXKEFRAD5VXMc4Hs6MUasC ZNhDV0S8S/b3lXH3w8g0fy+/4Pd6aH2+osNBNpnnP/5MJopo6WfpA2F9r0T5uqlQwGWt ERVNenXTkcOhc2U+qwSFUJu8CvKt8gwBj7q8Cr8rielSn7923krVJ9J4mimsGk0YzDGm ltw4wzl662tENT5mdMOyf28JAVBD8hMfIsQZ2t88nuzdEtmiS7VtQM/Y571K4XMIZR0g 2r6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2ad+gwTf75Nf80kk0uZhHKsJ6B4wH4BVIwumSWZVcC8=; b=apg/NHDANiosL4z6P9z1WZM3YCsa6XaWuBH0QDLD2wfBg+Q6PuuG1rLso8fcElLS+0 u4Zxzjnt2OVGxVSxsiVyM//eXmysIWvaeQ3YVqGVQA9mWt3kWQWH7NF/powYRQe92lbl /COUzr1i6Uk8rniI0P+MAH4i557MpTPYNKsqUli0TGKIMAbXDSlWaeJx7urNYfx4Jqad m688GwzdmA4GZdGitrLVgCkw/7+imcn9kv0Nb7rprOWNvXBukiSVU2m4ezJM4b/2+jBr RsI5tYjiz/f7kA7YzAn0EKj5tJSfbzhyCFexVCloKEHbUEYorXA4vNJk0hulCac6fEiL kByA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301zI3z2gvUk4aXVet0/qgAy1knyyNhSd608mouA4eyIG0cl088 4YX910ofoP+G31+QzI9woJojZyXrRznrWZZ+7Q+J X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzz+0pVWt4xoEq/muJN0AWuIo0QJAYmI4KXkuJsHROqgZnBJNDV/UTqj6/9XSL38VnFk9N88ZEU0k8FB6Npt2I= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a753:: with SMTP id q80mr243516qke.461.1594656408043; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:06:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:06:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B57nP0mbHz4883 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ha2COVUE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shamimshahriar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shamimshahriar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.860]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.015]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.011]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:06:49 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 16:54 Ernie Luzar, wrote: > Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: > > What are you trying to accomplish? > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Hello List; > >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. > >> What is command to do that? > >> > >> Thanks > > > > Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand vlans off of. > __________________ > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html Does it answer your question? 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It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public routable ip address ranges. 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[174.26.193.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gv16sm139197pjb.5.2020.07.13.09.45.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:45:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B58fV37xrz4C37 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PEv3/iE8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::435 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.299]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.26.193.115:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::435:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:45:55 -0000 On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: > > > > Hi Aryeh, I wanted to ask you a few questions. I remember you telling me about the program petite cloud and was wondering if you would show me how it works. I found CBSD and Intellij projects and want to know more about how they work too and find anymore programs available on freebsd like these if you know of any. Could you remind me of how to change the settings in thunderbird so I'm not top posting and replying correctly too? > Actually, I see evidence in the ports tree that there is some support for hosting JetBrains' IDEs on FreeBSD, but I haven't looked hard as I'm not building a desktop at this time. Since they are written in Java, that should not be difficult. # find /usr/ports -name "*jetbrains*" # find /usr/ports -name "*intellij*" -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:04:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19988369C0A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B593q55xBz4Ctb for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:04:12 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594659860; bh=ziaZG9m5w1qE4mineSDh4g6/u72qdAV+wZ2WHZCNq90=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=h48Bv2MVJ3eMskBnzgYSQbH3I4ytvKwiU/FEDm5NwKe2DhlzNXk40zjcD30czB13q y57mA3ij/48pengahtbirMO7LQ0BKnqt/BMEVHxGqCy247Ue69H186orjSuPN8Niqb cqe/TBWe4kerLXYZeqbgoKQZdcHU7z4Jdb7/DK/8= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B593q55xBz4Ctb X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=h48Bv2MV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.81 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.131:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.09)[-1.091]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.627]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.131:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:04:25 -0000 Hi, I'm new to FreeBSD and was trying to install it on my laptop bare metal for the first time. I've installed FreeBSD without any problems a number of times in a VM, but now wanted to install on bare metal for the 1st time. Right after the initial screen, I'm getting an error message, saying: Loading configured modules... can't find '/boot/entropy' Please, see the screenshot: https://people.debian.org/~patryk/tmp/freebsd_install_screenshot.jpg I tried googling for similar problems, but haven't found anything, I could hold on to. There was a similar issue on a Dell laptop (forums.freebsd.org), but they resolved the issue by tinkering with settings in the BIOS. Librem laptops are running SeaBIOS: https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS so I don't have access to any BIOS settings, really. I might be out of luck, running FreeBSD on that particular laptop, but wanted to ask for help here before giving up. I'd really appreciate any help/suggestions. :) Thanks in advance. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:07:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0984369CAE for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x729.google.com (mail-qk1-x729.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::729]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B597Z09vVz4DDn for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x729.google.com with SMTP id c139so12897904qkg.12 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=djU+SRP2WEiqS0C5t0bk148BwWRvZEOl7vE0fYDT6vM=; b=RFF7YobVzTl86V4A3SmvrE5MlpprR5MOQSAq/1HCi81VH6/O9LlN9KlJSKNj4AB5xu 6sfFHLP8MgH1tjJvoJQINgFTfxrbtCUIJqn3eBeI9mW1nqhyTGeDDWexbKfARR0VqQm8 VR0u+uvKUVtSd9ZSlUFgisZiT4lSZ0ZFA1Likdj2scxeZv/Yerr7WOfBh+o7sHEmI32B jEyFLDEtfTXf5jzFBr76sflpo2qHhVRHv/xrlGnYeLpYkTNGwrjnJAMMwAQiUkQ6qplX E2dX8L2lQkpVsMXccgpSiwUcDIeZsLbNOMMcWJCk7xa80HhW7czb3Awxvn3zyqdi/Fzm xKCQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=djU+SRP2WEiqS0C5t0bk148BwWRvZEOl7vE0fYDT6vM=; b=qvfIpG7CBB6L0Z7zax30AYKJfFrrS1jBIBuWZ3TP6aTPdhhPySj5wJaeufrn9xF1O5 dpMcIG4eNaekjPsXjUYrlmyh0bs4oxPUxUQH+j11MsgCQgAhdrLTiSqj1gmkiXn/91BG xN8otWYGpLv4TDx8G3K2oGF4wxs2oJ+CTqrTD1BgoMnC+CEjVSyFwHJBdjl6KGC/IuTb +/0gzrosHoD5Iw0uJfwEmszPprftx/dEWIL4Xlig1gqUMOeV3TEXyJPRmoG8WCSF+ESe 2W1Iw8dblKB1j9QDkC6TUFgEw/neeWPgQA1wPiP6lSn7mEI2tHte4NYgdMwHoguG5ebF IQTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wlr+iR7x3Tyy75JW5DiMOiNslbILIDwOM2gTM8rD1ilg2JTgo oZs679Jsr0OV5m3AY5veGCm0lISeKFIyPkotwQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyc3yFKHH2iMt0qX61cYNy0YHz0eoJ8bhDHDNOFJbUrILj7H29nQrjsjYhMWewHduNVuejwMPWH0N2PsN9nSTM= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4249:: with SMTP id p70mr585682qka.496.1594660056795; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:07:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B597Z09vVz4DDn X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RFF7YobV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shamimshahriar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::729 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shamimshahriar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.27)[-0.270]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.020]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.015]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::729:from]; HTTP_TO_IP(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:07:39 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 17:45 Ernie Luzar, wrote: > Shamim Shahriar wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 16:54 Ernie Luzar, > > wrote: > > > > Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: > > > What are you trying to accomplish? > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar > > wrote: > > >> Hello List; > > >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. > > >> What is command to do that? > > >> > > >> Thanks > > > > > > > Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand vlans > > off of. > > __________________ > > > > > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html > > > > Does it answer your question? > > > > Regards > > > > NO it does not. It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to > represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address > or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public > routable ip address ranges. > That is the IP address you wish to set on the interface. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i10sm23982776qkn.126.2020.07.13.10.10.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B59CR2x5hz1GXM for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:10:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:10:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <20200713131053.0aa4030b@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/9b/cwJ5dD_kK0xeBJEFaKB+"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59CV4yW5z4DCY X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=E0+FDpE8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::742 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.26 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.09)[-0.088]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.048]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.007]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::742:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:11:04 -0000 --Sig_/9b/cwJ5dD_kK0xeBJEFaKB+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:04:12 +0000, Patryk Cisek stated: >Hi, > >I'm new to FreeBSD and was trying to install it on my laptop bare metal >for the first time. I've installed FreeBSD without any problems a >number of times in a VM, but now wanted to install on bare metal for >the 1st time. > >Right after the initial screen, I'm getting an error message, saying: > >Loading configured modules... >can't find '/boot/entropy' > >Please, see the screenshot: >https://people.debian.org/~patryk/tmp/freebsd_install_screenshot.jpg > >I tried googling for similar problems, but haven't found anything, I >could hold on to. There was a similar issue on a Dell laptop >(forums.freebsd.org), but they resolved the issue by tinkering with >settings in the BIOS. Librem laptops are running SeaBIOS: >https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS > >so I don't have access to any BIOS settings, really. I might be out of >luck, running FreeBSD on that particular laptop, but wanted to ask for >help here before giving up. I'd really appreciate any help/suggestions. >:) Thanks in advance. :) Why don't you have access to the BIOS? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/9b/cwJ5dD_kK0xeBJEFaKB+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl8MlZ0ACgkQOHMGOIfe xWT1vQf/VcKhaRtjeSD9l0OxzM94qCMorQrkQk5L8FiJoMXH/Nw2lKCHvn+NHckM 3lsJOOGJ99T+0HnG3BTM8VQIEhAaPvollGbMznQogu1kmFquxLOjxNEOrQlTwfX/ WC99A3plir7ABDiBs1/nv6TNWTXref1ZOnC78807wQPBpMG9ELPFnXrudS2RMrpI 8VkEDq3116MgPpH3sWxoaj1Arzro6WcawqfLDpnPxkD+nStyC5R5Gtec3zC2c2T1 28c4AaocB4/PD78HRUz/q2MS7hIYFRoVuuZdGFzqsIZySvGORNhF1/csuVFCvgUJ EuvEVcp8mDn0mDDKE6A/hvDJBkj4rw== =WnQ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9b/cwJ5dD_kK0xeBJEFaKB+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:12:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66474369EF9 for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::729:from]; HTTP_TO_IP(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:12:12 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 18:07, Shamim Shahriar wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 17:45 Ernie Luzar, wrote: > >> Shamim Shahriar wrote: >> > >> > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html >> > >> > Does it answer your question? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> >> NO it does not. It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to >> represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address >> or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public >> routable ip address ranges. >> > > That is the IP address you wish to set on the interface. > > > You might also find this email thread useful https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-create-subinterface-with-ip-on-different-subnet.58547/ Hope this helps Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:16:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2D136A1E1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x844.google.com (mail-qt1-x844.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::844]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B59KJ0GbCz4Dh6 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamim.shahriar@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x844.google.com with SMTP id e12so10511514qtr.9 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=R4cc6JxOT3pbm7ZdvkH3MXq0gEIaa0EanDIoHH6Pf2E=; b=C9drKVtPPL2oFqjy/qBys87sZzj4t7hTPqCJZE2tqQJ4AA8EGsyjMZHGx7IK2qAV4B kYTYlf8bpdIOvpW5w3aBaW4zVmC+cjNgM6XHt9FyvqJSaELsFZg8L9430qcTFFCew1bB 8prrrMZ6AFa86kaYA75c7m++ubBe40R8h+ZfKoPmBoUEe0BZ9GLHpaBuv2UyKKXF86b1 AH9pLiou0mMBq+sQARK431cCDxJNjRycV5kntE4P7DcNobtbKPttwjFzIfzDWBBIYX86 GE47YXyVGOtGESEBNWzrbhw3P8T22uu4b25H2mEW8AmKAU1D/Z6qyyt60jOsayeOpJDx /9Og== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=R4cc6JxOT3pbm7ZdvkH3MXq0gEIaa0EanDIoHH6Pf2E=; b=HziUUGDDcZ+D1Y9e6Hc6H5f4SyosRmpqKiOEIX1tKChRULMFuUSwnLHZPJ4Gd1t4Tt wHzzN6x+y4mg9YzChNvnfWZvzZQZPyiSwPlcGk/vqVF5Fe4Vg49SFejYp6SYemt6H+Ag VtpoZLTwo6xsvxEJFjXDL2U+88O19lkMW5oDj6Lpt8HfWXLX0IOeFXAYsyeM7+UVYlOq PqvDUrCOTvoLGvDsnLXA6JMqGyS+zEEhophbSQ5hvOOEYMOCNkMUCpcCedJD9aVYSvpi xBkeMS+wAsKPpx8tHaRPIUzP75vzj41rxwGexfRP4raGCEtCV57LJIGFnsmouqTcmJyb VEVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532AnfX3Z2PGi29kR9Bh0HH9yNLtPn1ebqw8ZOC35WvczperiOFy CjOdkab9C8tuGADkoPu79hhBx6pQTsa/Ud41PmdH X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzK0bryGheDJga1WWOOgMo6QvdKt2KcLfWXJQOL5mBK23ABQmx8zbFspwD6raoVyQs77tWnIThqoKMQ9pQSDaY= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:173b:: with SMTP id w56mr374520qtj.218.1594660563252; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Shamim Shahriar Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:15:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop To: Patryk Cisek Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59KJ0GbCz4Dh6 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=C9drKVtP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shamimshahriar@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::844 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shamimshahriar@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.967]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.014]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::844:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.106]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:16:05 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 18:04, Patryk Cisek wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to FreeBSD and was trying to install it on my laptop bare metal > for the first time. I've installed FreeBSD without any problems a number > of times in a VM, but now wanted to install on bare metal for the 1st time. > > Right after the initial screen, I'm getting an error message, saying: > > Loading configured modules... > can't find '/boot/entropy' > > Please, see the screenshot: > https://people.debian.org/~patryk/tmp/freebsd_install_screenshot.jpg > > I tried googling for similar problems, but haven't found anything, I > could hold on to. There was a similar issue on a Dell laptop > (forums.freebsd.org), but they resolved the issue by tinkering with > settings in the BIOS. Librem laptops are running SeaBIOS: > https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS > > so I don't have access to any BIOS settings, really. I might be out of > luck, running FreeBSD on that particular laptop, but wanted to ask for > help here before giving up. I'd really appreciate any help/suggestions. > :) Thanks in advance. :) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Patryk Could you please confirm if that is the last thing you see on screen and that installation halts at that point? I have come across devices that issues that error, but have never known them to halt at that point or not proceed further and do the job, hence trying to confirm. Kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:21:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9798336AB32 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B59RL3N92z4FFK for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6BE10199; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:21:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <1f381b92-150c-14c0-ce51-e0addcd7b904@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:21:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59RL3N92z4FFK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.51 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.263]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:21:19 -0000 On 13/07/2020 17:45, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Shamim Shahriar wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 16:54 Ernie Luzar, > > wrote: >> >>     Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: >>      > What are you trying to accomplish? >>      > >>      > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar >     > wrote: >>      >> Hello List; >>      >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. >>      >> What is command to do that? >>      >> >>      >> Thanks >>      > >> >>     Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand vlans >>     off of. >>     __________________ >> >> >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html >> >> Does it answer your question? >> >> Regards >> > > NO it does not. It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to > represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address > or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public > routable ip address ranges. Any address beginning 192.168 is an RFC 1918 private address (as are 10.* and 172.16-31.*). If you're not familiar with something that basic you might want to read up a bit more about networking before getting into vlans. -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. 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My goal is to allow remote clients to connect securely to the server. Anyone have anything on this? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:26:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1BB36AD5A for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B59Y96GNzz4Fkr for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:26:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:26:18 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594661179; bh=5CyhxTUj/3hcV0QYjEssvb5SEaLDET7bif4VNuQlt/I=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=bvn+sYPcf/VYy+hOEl5s3T+4PBnOs3BlzKVGvPkqRSLPh10Vn9c5oGHMkV1q5QVU9 wSHJrmlT5m2g+jfBn6302RaR3efIqcLjWc2m0G3IuYej/P8VGVH+PLvqlmUuqxvQFf TNO81ZPKjPcH4iJvLTOCE6HAVZccrzdX7dLKhk3I= To: Shamim Shahriar From: Patryk Cisek Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <56d82435-26da-5af9-f90b-af18cb9db22f@cisek.email> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59Y96GNzz4Fkr X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=bvn+sYPc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.70.40.22:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.34)[-1.338]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.959]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.22:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:26:23 -0000 > Hi Patryk >=20 > Could you please confirm if that is the last thing you see on screen and > that installation halts at that point?=20 Hi Shamim, yes -- after this error message is displayed, nothing else happens. I waited couple of minutes, but things haven't progressed. > I have come across devices that issues that error, but have never known > them to halt at that point or not proceed further and do the job, hence > trying to confirm. >=20 > Kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:28:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073A936B430 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B59bx0Rrdz4GMq for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:28:41 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594661323; bh=hNDV36VmCqfUT02N6X+fZRApN2BjGTzJWfC/tdLO1fg=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=QRn7I0E2Cc4HFqBcwuz9KErT/pWLYF1XUyOAZ/p4Jm+fom+bjT+0SlgWtYHfqyNi0 AiCS+esQnfRNnWiF1ScWn4K8ziFj39QyuNR/+t4HNDLbHZ2yncFxXJnqDcLd2Tq0I1 SW9cmf9bZYrUusgzuuTsDm7zObI4RX03QDPYdW8g= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20200713131053.0aa4030b@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <20200713131053.0aa4030b@scorpio.seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59bx0Rrdz4GMq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=QRn7I0E2; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.131:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.969]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.60)[-0.595]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.131:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:28:46 -0000 On 2020-07-13 10:10 a.m., Jerry wrote: > Why don't you have access to the BIOS? >=20 That's how SaeBIOS works -- it's open-source, but it's also very minimalist. It doesn't offer any configuration menu, that you'd expect. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:31:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4020C36B4CA for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:31:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B59g01zgCz4Glw for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60E794E65B for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:31:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:31:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B59g01zgCz4Glw X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.35 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.198]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.30)[0.301]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.75)[0.754]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:31:25 -0000 On 2020-07-13 12:15, Shamim Shahriar wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 18:04, Patryk Cisek wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm new to FreeBSD and was trying to install it on my laptop bare metal >> for the first time. I've installed FreeBSD without any problems a number >> of times in a VM, but now wanted to install on bare metal for the 1st time. >> >> Right after the initial screen, I'm getting an error message, saying: >> >> Loading configured modules... >> can't find '/boot/entropy' >> >> Please, see the screenshot: >> https://people.debian.org/~patryk/tmp/freebsd_install_screenshot.jpg >> >> I tried googling for similar problems, but haven't found anything, I >> could hold on to. There was a similar issue on a Dell laptop >> (forums.freebsd.org), but they resolved the issue by tinkering with >> settings in the BIOS. Librem laptops are running SeaBIOS: >> https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS >> >> so I don't have access to any BIOS settings, really. I might be out of >> luck, running FreeBSD on that particular laptop, but wanted to ask for >> help here before giving up. I'd really appreciate any help/suggestions. >> :) Thanks in advance. :) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Hi Patryk > > Could you please confirm if that is the last thing you see on screen and > that installation halts at that point? > > I have come across devices that issues that error, but have never known > them to halt at that point or not proceed further and do the job, hence > trying to confirm. > > Kind regards One of my relatives has librem laptop, I will have my hands on that laptop late this afternoon, and will see in I can install FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE on it. Will report failure/success and if I had to make any changes in opensource SeaBIOS that laptop has to successfully install FreeBSD. 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[65.25.51.0]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y67sm20665897qka.101.2020.07.13.10.54.39 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5F0C9FDF.7000805@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:54:39 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arthur Chance CC: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> <1f381b92-150c-14c0-ce51-e0addcd7b904@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <1f381b92-150c-14c0-ce51-e0addcd7b904@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5B9s36trz4JL7 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UELRaro6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luzar722@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::841 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luzar722@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.58 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.36)[-1.363]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[65.25.51.0:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.77)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::841:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:54:42 -0000 Arthur Chance wrote: > On 13/07/2020 17:45, Ernie Luzar wrote: >> Shamim Shahriar wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 16:54 Ernie Luzar, >> > wrote: >>> >>> Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: >>> > What are you trying to accomplish? >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar >> > wrote: >>> >> Hello List; >>> >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. >>> >> What is command to do that? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks >>> > >>> >>> Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand vlans >>> off of. >>> __________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html >>> >>> Does it answer your question? >>> >>> Regards >>> >> NO it does not. It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to >> represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address >> or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public >> routable ip address ranges. > > Any address beginning 192.168 is an RFC 1918 private address (as are > 10.* and 172.16-31.*). If you're not familiar with something that basic > you might want to read up a bit more about networking before getting > into vlans. > > Ya I know about them. I have LAN behind the host that working just fine using 10.0.0.0/8 I get my dynamic ip address from my ISP this way. ifconfig_re0="DHCP" Now to create vlan for re0 I have this in rc.conf vlans_re0="1 2 3" ifconfig=re0__1="DHCP" times out with no address from the isp during boot ifconfig=re0__1="inet 10.0.500.1/24" gets invalid ip address in boot log. My understanding of vlans is the first vlan tag steps on any ip address the parent re0 has gotten by DHCP. That is why I tried ifconfig=re0__1="inet 10.0.500.1/24" What is wrong here? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 17:58:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391DD36C330 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x336.google.com (mail-ot1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5BGc17Ptz4JTV for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x336.google.com with SMTP id c25so10215396otf.7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:58:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pBXRquYFbgIxX0RcakMxDudVlt7YheG1znAHLTX1x3Q=; b=PCoionXpY8Lt764KG5KO9rVZn+zx3BOLfEzt0Rm05XvDcBLLno8dmepFpb41SRCP9W tomaMM7Ngn76IMJvTk1UAEa2711u35dPFc/P3MYduzv+a7WHK5nkxCWZ+BF/MEn5Pmec zK971YCgY1dvtD2O+MemfI0dYBElMtLlfyG6XwrpCKSswPW36Wpx2ypFaMh16Ud22peG 3j0EIf8Ov3V9gz5ZJIiknjmRjKVzPbKWIhON9hePMy9TG7KGGkZabMmE754DZ3JFmiZx G2HzOZh7pQGD2RSvCl/GmtvueNYMYzXuPjbPhdLrDT2hmFWLeqpE1iN/CgRhhXfcH/ki 7FAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=pBXRquYFbgIxX0RcakMxDudVlt7YheG1znAHLTX1x3Q=; b=W0z9f9xghA///eX56qDOrH6CwT0UbbIljQtCHDQaeW2kcVSrke2U7EOjPnieNI6Rvt J/U7sPyk8EaTeMYxNv7Vf8xd1NofOh8rv8wQGHAQRyYpsixV1KMzEvowedwNnYSZqr+k 1qp+FqDnGpAneV2U5BP4gT83ug0tHQFayL3SogbblYm6VB9DHrv8xybBivNVpwjhOr70 p0q7VVgLqUOddhaesX14GwmLjqiC8qT/H/lC2x8iEkoLXi2J7hG+f04hQ2n7oOyfBubw hFwzjSMSAaRe5+6s7D9uvVq6xHPpxACXYrA8oX19JUmT/AXdO7DEuez0023C3PUE1J3p 3Uiw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5330DNRr7k0gCWWnQ0kgerJFyPk46eY2b4uVT5jsPsKph7l5rtkH sh/nkcVOJSn/1FfDW/phC+QArNQTVnn5nNukxjW3hPrYPiU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwPNFftFdc5ZbnBEKJ4cg3bkj8yGQuupCtCl4iGKNSdUP3kP7MZAcAhY8fcjceR59z1oZMsRvcGcHmrpR2IexI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2041:: with SMTP id n59mr801122ota.28.1594663126621; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> From: "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:58:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5BGc17Ptz4JTV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PCoionXp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kurtbuff@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::336 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kurtbuff@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.902]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::336:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.584]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:58:49 -0000 Generally speaking, that's not the way it works. It's possible that you actually do need multiple virtual NICS, but I'm betting you don't. I believe what you want are what are often called in the networking world "subinterfaces". This link should steer you in the right direction: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html Kurt On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:54 AM Ernie Luzar wrote: > > Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: > > What are you trying to accomplish? > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar wrote: > >> Hello List; > >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and em2. > >> What is command to do that? > >> > >> Thanks > > > > Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand vlans off of. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 18:31:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BE136CDE7 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail-40136.protonmail.ch (mail-40136.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5Bzw3Vr9z4LTZ for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:31:00 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594665066; bh=yN5yeXgNMi6YDRQ65OTi9dxyj+9VvwE1UVqxcoNaLXI=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=LZkDPrFyhioAm/vouDbqV/3+8QWlUFvKgXXInqp6OS3BQ7edbatqiBU7cRpncVby9 FVJdUVdlLK9hxWCSGxxgqrn8RY/6ExblhDwMo5JTdNctrdyJlgoZca594jI5y7uCob irxvS6C035T/4qu3enswGJ2UxKilyrvlrL3HmA0A= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <295ffe27-8e1a-8bc8-994a-05fd657e2c95@cisek.email> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5Bzw3Vr9z4LTZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=LZkDPrFy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.966]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.934]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.136:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.136:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:31:09 -0000 On 2020-07-13 10:31 a.m., Valeri Galtsev wrote: > One of my relatives has librem laptop, I will have my hands on that > laptop late this afternoon, and will see in I can install FreeBSD > 12.1-RELEASE on it. Will report failure/success and if I had to make any > changes in opensource SeaBIOS that laptop has to successfully install > FreeBSD. That's awesome! :) Please, do let know. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 18:34:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CAB36D507 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5C3P40JLz4M1n for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:33:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:33:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5C3P40JLz4M1n X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.317]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.856]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.82)[0.824]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:34:10 -0000 On 2020-07-13 10:04, Patryk Cisek wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to FreeBSD and was trying to install it on my laptop bare metal > for the first time. I've installed FreeBSD without any problems a number > of times in a VM, but now wanted to install on bare metal for the 1st time. > > Right after the initial screen, I'm getting an error message, saying: > > Loading configured modules... > can't find '/boot/entropy' > > Please, see the screenshot: > https://people.debian.org/~patryk/tmp/freebsd_install_screenshot.jpg > > I tried googling for similar problems, but haven't found anything, I > could hold on to. There was a similar issue on a Dell laptop > (forums.freebsd.org), but they resolved the issue by tinkering with > settings in the BIOS. Librem laptops are running SeaBIOS: > https://www.seabios.org/SeaBIOS > > so I don't have access to any BIOS settings, really. I might be out of > luck, running FreeBSD on that particular laptop, but wanted to ask for > help here before giving up. I'd really appreciate any help/suggestions. > :) Thanks in advance. :) I see a related item on the Purism FAQ -> Librem Laptops -> Can I install a different OS on my Librem laptop? https://puri.sm/faq/ I see a few related posts on the Purism forum: https://forums.puri.sm/search?q=freebsd What is the intended purpose of the laptop? What is the model number and/or part number of the laptop? Please post the URL for the manufacturer support page. What are the hardware specifications -- CPU, memory, storage, graphics chip, display, Ethernet, WiFi, etc.? What is the motherboard firmware version? Is PureOS installed and running correctly? What is the version? What is the Linux version? Do you want to do multi-boot or FreeBSD only? Please post the partition table for the primary storage device. If the laptop has additional storage devices and you want to use them with FreeBSD (e.g. ZFS mirror, raidz), please post their partition tables. Please post /etc/crypttab and/or /etc/fstab if you have a PureOS or Linux installation and want to do multi-boot. As an alternative, is there a hypervisor available for PureOS? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 21:49:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AE13718A1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5HNc5yKPz4Yns for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id l1so15174534ioh.5 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6HtNSpGTV5nig8nJSudIoxfDC+fHK2h+rbM+H2VOTSg=; b=kVZ/W2waraZ8Q4kJ9GMVk6cbRGI5mxQl5RxN4Io4NUW/QRTTT2pEdI7hDGZr01SyiP JNjRPLulDqBxT2ry9HynzXpODQj5rWEQRFPMQg6SI7CMlPkA4ni9i4XJ9ts8PeR4kUjK hEFDpRw+OcrKmy4tz4n04TlVmH0KheoK5IgFbmQIBdNqdWJmmg0XZygYRi7D2iTN4jiz vYD1OvWL6reR84+O2wOV7BDacPQ7s7EFT7C4LKRObCNxhG0hoGkFyGsuQivJ/m0oWjTS 4w6ek9RbVMCwB/pqqC5/bewPIpHBFsx0EcA29ezPnAHoaPupG56CAWW9FRYWueyYdod6 yIHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6HtNSpGTV5nig8nJSudIoxfDC+fHK2h+rbM+H2VOTSg=; b=QJJv3tvMegHilULbx32UScM7XTV4TadOC7uEaFGt/OO9237dpqAlgEw5IiIRZyljRz YaA8KepVcquDoAqKZNuq0LcEuOLtApiqi4fFfmxs89CbF3Hkt8GT6rs1fwl4sOuCMxYF 3utG8TWo3/IR1t2Wvm2IHLSqTgVFmOWc2y9oyG459SZmimkOa4DhrTrlnffHhZdVAHOe fHmwSD1z618c9RSvSCRH/vsF79NK671SimUM4wHiIlQTsw62iBb5npqZmVPTs3ez4OLy ffwCi2ds+rxbXX5KrNR8JaMheoQJdMzraE64ppwFftnuAejrg+A4Vu/PwWPuhXT8BeH+ vElQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MPs8trF/ZQnHehKVMVWfLhCfwybFIjomlBjnvB2ltUAMuIVUW xUQHDayPATVFE9cXzAKvLymJu2zb2OsSiv11Psc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJybrVhlLLmhbPoI7zyV/PutPyB6akzzn0QCPcQFu3PELeKNTRCX1c6T/XahRIRg1x+iRXU/WAolTR/qFD8quVw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2549:: with SMTP id j9mr1760871ioe.89.1594676959532; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:49:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: Don Wilde Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5HNc5yKPz4Yns X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kVZ/W2wa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.66 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.961]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.70)[-0.702]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 21:49:21 -0000 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Aryeh, I wanted to ask you a few questions. I remember you telling me > about the program petite cloud and was wondering if you would show me how > it works. I found CBSD and Intellij projects and want I will answer this as a separate message later today. to know more about how they work too and find anymore programs available on > freebsd like these if you know of any. Could you remind me of how to change > the settings in thunderbird so I'm not top posting and replying correctly > too? > > > > Actually, I see evidence in the ports tree that there is some support > for hosting JetBrains' IDEs on FreeBSD, but I haven't looked hard as I'm > not building a desktop at this time. Since they are written in Java, > that should not be difficult. > > > # find /usr/ports -name "*jetbrains*" > > # find /usr/ports -name "*intellij*" > There are a number of Java IDE's in the ports collection... everything from the (bad) attempt to do everything and be everything to everyone of Eclipse to the simplicity of BlueJ. Almost none of them quiet "work". They all have some serious sort coming, e.g. all of them I have tried except BlueJ can't produce a standalone executable jar to save their lives nor do many of them give you freedom to use whatever tools you want under the hood (i.e. version control can only be done via git and none play well with batched build systems). That's why I don't use a IDE I use the command line, it is a lot more powerful/more portable in the long run then any IDE ever will be (unless you count the semi-integrated one I have put together by hand consisting of tcsh, java/openjdk8 [slowly playing with moving to a higher version], www/tomcat9 [tomcat is typically the target of my code], editors/vim, devel/cook, devel/aegis and devel/fhist [note I am the maintainer of the last 2]... I usually don't need to but I also can bring out the big guns for debugging like java/visualvm and java/jad). Note cook/aegis/fhist are unorthodox when used with Java but I can (and often will) make strong arguments to why the "official" tools *SUCK*. All this being said if you feel more comfortable with an IDE while learning Java I recommend BlueJ it is designed for teaching Java but has all the features you need to make full fledged applications of any size with (when I was in school I even implemented a interpreter for a teaching language I designed and wrote a visual Turing Machine simulator with it... both non-trivial applications). BlueJ has one "killer feature" in my mind and that is it is the only IDE I know of that will automatically draw/update a simplified UML class diagram of your code (very useful if you are in the very early stages of the class level architecture of a larger app). For more info on BlueJ (and the book mentioned below) go to bluej.org .. last note BlueJ is one of the few that actually produces working executable standalone jars. If you are learning Java and even if you don't use BlueJ I recommend the entry level (no programming experience needed) textbook written by the same person who maintains BlueJ upstream. "Objects First with Java: A Practical Introduction Using BlueJ (6th Edition)", David J. Barness, Michael Kolling, Pearsons, 2016, ISBN: 978-013-447736-7 ... it is the book I used when I learned Java even though I had been programming for 20 years at the point I found the book a breath of fresh air in terms of how things are covered. Even though I have not read it yet (I have read other more advanced books in the same series) another good learning source is "Head First Java" (O'Reilly ... don't have a full citation on hand). -- Aryeh M. 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[174.26.193.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9sm14817370pgv.45.2020.07.13.15.16.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:16:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5Hzf4rZRz4c1r X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Q4LCOCuy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::532 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.57 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.608]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.26.193.115:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.957]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.008]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::532:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:16:15 -0000 On 7/13/20 2:49 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM Don Wilde > wrote: > > > On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Aryeh, I wanted to ask you a few questions. I remember you > telling me about the program petite cloud and was wondering if you > would show me how it works. I found CBSD and Intellij projects and > want > > > I will answer this as a separate message later today. > > to know more about how they work too and find anymore programs > available on freebsd like these if you know of any. Could you > remind me of how to change the settings in thunderbird so I'm not > top posting and replying correctly too? > > > > Actually, I see evidence in the ports tree that there is some support > for hosting JetBrains' IDEs on FreeBSD, but I haven't looked hard > as I'm > not building a desktop at this time. Since they are written in Java, > that should not be difficult. > > > # find /usr/ports -name "*jetbrains*" > > # find /usr/ports -name "*intellij*" > > > There are a number of Java IDE's in the ports collection... everything > from the (bad) attempt to do everything and be everything to everyone > of Eclipse to the simplicity of BlueJ.  Almost none of them quiet > "work". They all have some serious sort coming, e.g. all of them I > have tried except BlueJ can't produce a standalone executable jar to > save their lives nor do many of them give you freedom to use whatever > tools you want under the hood (i.e. version control can only be done > via git and none play well with batched build systems).   That's why I > don't use a IDE I use the command line, it is a lot more powerful/more > portable in the long run then any IDE ever will be (unless you count > the semi-integrated one I have put together by hand consisting of > tcsh, java/openjdk8 [slowly playing with moving to a higher version], > www/tomcat9 [tomcat is typically the target of my code], editors/vim, > devel/cook, devel/aegis and devel/fhist [note I am the maintainer of > the last 2]... I usually don't need to but I also can bring out the > big guns for debugging like java/visualvm and java/jad).   Note > cook/aegis/fhist are unorthodox when used with Java but I can (and > often will) make strong arguments to why the "official" tools *SUCK*. > > All this being said if you feel more comfortable with an IDE while > learning Java I recommend BlueJ it is designed for teaching Java but > has all the features you need to make full fledged applications of any > size with (when I was in school I even implemented a interpreter for a > teaching language I designed and wrote a visual Turing Machine > simulator with it... both non-trivial applications).   BlueJ has one > "killer feature" in my mind and that is it is the only IDE I know of > that will automatically draw/update a simplified UML class diagram of > your code (very useful if you are in the very early stages of the > class level architecture of a larger app).    For more info on BlueJ > (and the book mentioned below) go to bluej.org .. > last note BlueJ is one of the few that actually produces working > executable standalone jars. > > If you are learning Java and even if you don't use BlueJ I recommend > the entry level (no programming experience needed) textbook written by > the same person who maintains BlueJ upstream. "Objects First with > Java: A Practical Introduction Using BlueJ (6th Edition)", David J. > Barness, Michael Kolling, Pearsons, 2016, ISBN: 978-013-447736-7 ... > it is the book I used when I learned Java even though I had been > programming for 20 years at the point I found the book a breath of > fresh air in terms of how things are covered. Even though I have not > read it yet (I have read other more advanced books in the same series) > another good learning source is "Head First Java" (O'Reilly ... don't > have a full citation on hand). > I've never used IntelliJ itself, only Eclipse for Java and Enterprise Architect (payware). MPHO is that I stay as far away from Java as I can, although I do use tools _written_ in Java like RubyMine (and Eclipse). I was tasked with maintaining the JVM for a large IoT project (mainly because nobody else would touch it; they _knew_); Java7 was used both for the Things and the Internet analytics servers. The JVM is written (as is OpenJDK) in layer upon layer of code, and what we discovered was that one layer or another was always being broken by all the various open source developers. When our CEO laid off all my backups to please Wall Street, I gave my notice. Java has many slick features, but it takes a _lot_ of Java coders to get anything big done. YMMV. pkg install bluej... number of packages to be installed: 47. Wow. I think not. :) Personally, I like the LLVM-based CLANG and Crystal. Most of the installation time comes from the various versions of LLVM being requested by the HLL. IMHO, the LLVM is a much more flexible and accessible virtual execution engine than Oracle's Java and JVM. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 13 22:39:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4860373DCE for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com (mail-il1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5JVj5ggqz4dFb for ; 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Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:39:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: Don Wilde , Brandon helsley Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5JVj5ggqz4dFb X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=EdGnE0Za; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.957]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.995]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.676]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,hotmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:39:42 -0000 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/13/20 2:49 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM Don Wilde wrote: > >> >> On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Aryeh, I wanted to ask you a few questions. I remember you telling >> me about the program petite cloud and was wondering if you would show me >> how it works. I found CBSD and Intellij projects and want > > > I will answer this as a separate message later today. > > to know more about how they work too and find anymore programs available >> on freebsd like these if you know of any. Could you remind me of how to >> change the settings in thunderbird so I'm not top posting and replying >> correctly too? >> > >> >> Actually, I see evidence in the ports tree that there is some support >> for hosting JetBrains' IDEs on FreeBSD, but I haven't looked hard as I'm >> not building a desktop at this time. Since they are written in Java, >> that should not be difficult. >> >> >> # find /usr/ports -name "*jetbrains*" >> >> # find /usr/ports -name "*intellij*" >> > > There are a number of Java IDE's in the ports collection... everything > from the (bad) attempt to do everything and be everything to everyone of > Eclipse to the simplicity of BlueJ. Almost none of them quiet "work". > They all have some serious sort coming, e.g. all of them I have tried > except BlueJ can't produce a standalone executable jar to save their lives > nor do many of them give you freedom to use whatever tools you want under > the hood (i.e. version control can only be done via git and none play well > with batched build systems). That's why I don't use a IDE I use the > command line, it is a lot more powerful/more portable in the long run then > any IDE ever will be (unless you count the semi-integrated one I have put > together by hand consisting of tcsh, java/openjdk8 [slowly playing with > moving to a higher version], www/tomcat9 [tomcat is typically the target of > my code], editors/vim, devel/cook, devel/aegis and devel/fhist [note I am > the maintainer of the last 2]... I usually don't need to but I also can > bring out the big guns for debugging like java/visualvm and java/jad). > Note cook/aegis/fhist are unorthodox when used with Java but I can (and > often will) make strong arguments to why the "official" tools *SUCK*. > > All this being said if you feel more comfortable with an IDE while > learning Java I recommend BlueJ it is designed for teaching Java but has > all the features you need to make full fledged applications of any size > with (when I was in school I even implemented a interpreter for a teaching > language I designed and wrote a visual Turing Machine simulator with it... > both non-trivial applications). BlueJ has one "killer feature" in my mind > and that is it is the only IDE I know of that will automatically > draw/update a simplified UML class diagram of your code (very useful if you > are in the very early stages of the class level architecture of a larger > app). For more info on BlueJ (and the book mentioned below) go to > bluej.org .. last note BlueJ is one of the few that actually produces > working executable standalone jars. > > If you are learning Java and even if you don't use BlueJ I recommend the > entry level (no programming experience needed) textbook written by the same > person who maintains BlueJ upstream. "Objects First with Java: A Practical > Introduction Using BlueJ (6th Edition)", David J. Barness, Michael Kolling, > Pearsons, 2016, ISBN: 978-013-447736-7 ... it is the book I used when I > learned Java even though I had been programming for 20 years at the point I > found the book a breath of fresh air in terms of how things are covered. > Even though I have not read it yet (I have read other more advanced books > in the same series) another good learning source is "Head First Java" > (O'Reilly ... don't have a full citation on hand). > > I've never used IntelliJ itself, only Eclipse for Java and Enterprise > Architect (payware). > > MPHO is that I stay as far away from Java as I can, although I do use > tools _written_ in Java like RubyMine (and Eclipse). > > I was tasked with maintaining the JVM for a large IoT project (mainly > because nobody else would touch it; they _knew_); Java7 was used both for > the Things and the Internet analytics servers. The JVM is written (as is > OpenJDK) in layer upon layer of code, and what we discovered was that one > layer or another was always being broken by all the various open source > developers. When our CEO laid off all my backups to please Wall Street, I > gave my notice. Java has many slick features, but it takes a _lot_ of Java > coders to get anything big done. YMMV. > Then whoever you hired to do the coding is/was *INCOMPETITENT* I am a team of 2 that maintains a EMR (medical records) system with IoT support (200+K lines code, as per our code coverage tool) the IoT is portable long term (upto 30 days) cardiac testing equipment that communicates via the cell network and it works just fine. The above even includes a custom JSON driven heiractical API/DB package (part of PetiteCloud). The above EMR has been in service for over 8 years now and uses OpenJDK 8 and Tomcat 9 on FreeBSD 12.1 (was on 11.X and 10.X before that). I really wish people who never learned how to use Java correctly (IDE generated code *IS NOT* correctly) would reserve judgement on the language before seeing it in an environment it was designed for (not one it was not designed for) and despite Oracle's claims it's natural home is webapps w/ very deep backends. Side note Java has succeeded because it is a good language, one the few that "serious" software engineering can be done in (C/C++ are very difficult in this regard due to inherently unsafe features like pointers and goto), not because it has "slick" features. In other words it has succeeded despite Sun/Oracles best attempts to completely mismanage and mismarket the project! > > pkg install bluej... number of packages to be installed: 47. Wow. I think > not. :) > Which is no worse than any other GUI based app (you would never use an IDE outside of a GUI anyways)... from a machine that already has xfce4 set up and running and nothing more than openjdk8 installed on the Java side I get (keep in mind I normally use portmaster and sometimes there are small disagreements between it and pkg thus the total install is likely smaller): root@neomarx:~ # pkg install bluej Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.txz: 100% 916 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 822.9kB/s 00:08 Processing entries: 100% FreeBSD repository update completed. 32009 packages processed. All repositories are up to date. Updating database digests format: 100% The following 5 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be REMOVED: dee: 1.2.7_16 New packages to be INSTALLED: bluej: 4.1.1 openjfx8-devel: 8.u202.b07_6,1 Installed packages to be DOWNGRADED: akonadi: 20.04.3 -> 20.04.2 sndio: 1.7.0 -> 1.6.0 Number of packages to be removed: 1 Number of packages to be installed: 2 Number of packages to be downgraded: 2 > > Personally, I like the LLVM-based CLANG and Crystal. Most of > the installation time comes from the various versions of LLVM being > requested by the HLL. IMHO, the LLVM is a much more flexible and accessible > virtual execution engine than Oracle's Java and JVM. > C/C++ most certainly are not beginner friendly languages and the OP is someone who has never done programming before. -- Aryeh M. 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[174.26.193.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d4sm14802784pgf.9.2020.07.13.17.05.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: Aryeh Friedman , Brandon helsley Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:05:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5LQB61y6z3TQJ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=gD6z39KN; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.12 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.16)[-0.160]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,hotmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.26.193.115:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.956]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:05:55 -0000 On 7/13/20 3:39 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM Don Wilde > wrote: > > > On 7/13/20 2:49 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM Don Wilde > > wrote: >> >> >> On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: >> > Personally, I like the LLVM-based CLANG and Crystal. > Most of the installation time comes from the various versions of > LLVM being requested by the HLL. IMHO, the LLVM is a much more > flexible and accessible virtual execution engine than Oracle's > Java and JVM. > > > C/C++ most certainly are not beginner friendly languages and the OP is > someone who has never done programming before. > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org Doesn't make him a bad guy, Aryeh. Given that Brandon is already doing his best to learn _and_ to contribute to the Project he doesn't deserve such crabby comments, although I expected such when I bracketed my opinion with . IMHO, while Java syntax is deceptively simple, your comments to date prove that _using_ the language in the real world is not trivial. I made the mistake a few months back of attempting to compile the entire JDK8 code base on a rock-stable Ubuntu 18 system and it was a nightmare. The successive approximations you have gone through to get a working IDE and JVM deployment environment for Java show that it is a challenge, even for an experienced coder as you obviously are. AFA CLANG and Crystal, C++ is what colleges teach newbie coders in CS. Business apps coders headed for IT and (shudder) the IT web stack get Java. Admittedly, they don't go very deep (in either of those cases) but the user base is out there.  C++ is also what a lot of FreeBSD itself is written in these days, so knowing at least something about it is A Very Good Thing(tm). Crystal is based on Ruby, the most elegant language I have ever used, and I started with assembler on 8-bit micro controllers in the 80s. That's MPHO, but I've been coding for the Ruby interpreter since 2004. Crystal has a wonderful combination of both dynamic and static typing. It's a language with incredible depth but elegant simplicity, and it's extremely well documented from top to bottom. As always, YMMV. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 00:46:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543ED377438 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com (mail-il1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5MJl2zFkz3X07 for ; 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.954]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.39)[0.388]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.027]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:46:16 -0000 On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:05 PM Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/13/20 3:39 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:16 PM Don Wilde wrote: > >> >> On 7/13/20 2:49 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM Don Wilde wrote: >> >>> >>> On 7/13/20 5:59 AM, Brandon helsley wrote: >>> >> Personally, I like the LLVM-based CLANG and Crystal. Most of >> the installation time comes from the various versions of LLVM being >> requested by the HLL. IMHO, the LLVM is a much more flexible and accessible >> virtual execution engine than Oracle's Java and JVM. >> > > C/C++ most certainly are not beginner friendly languages and the OP is > someone who has never done programming before. > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Doesn't make him a bad guy, Aryeh. Given that Brandon is already doing his > best to learn _and_ to contribute to the Project he doesn't deserve such > crabby comments, although I expected such when I bracketed my opinion with > . > What I misreading I never said he (or you) were "bad guys". > > IMHO, while Java syntax is deceptively simple, your comments to date prove > that _using_ the language in the real world is not trivial. I made the > mistake a few months back of attempting to compile the entire JDK8 code > base on a rock-stable Ubuntu 18 system and it was a nightmare. The > successive approximations you have gone through to get a working IDE and > JVM deployment environment for Java show that it is a challenge, even for > an experienced coder as you obviously are. > Again *WRONG* I got Java to work as advertised right out the box with nothing more than portmaster -d java/openjdk8 (that is all I have ever needed to do on FreeBSD since the first time I ever used it on FreeBSD back in 2004). My "difficulty" with IDE's is not a "difficulty" only a general very strong dislike of IDE's in *ANY* language (and I have had the same issues with them in all languages for example Eclipse when dealing with C/C++ drags around huge libraries that are not a part of the STL or StdLib [or even Boost] and are a hell and half to compile outside of Eclipse). And Java is one the most natural languages I have used there are no bizzare exceptions such as there are in JavaShit (oops JavaScript), C/C++, etc. If a keyword/construct works in place/platform A a given way then it is guaranteed to work on place/platform B (even if on radically different devices and/or OS's for example if I stay away from Android only libraries then anything I write in FreeBSD will work there without modification or recompiling and it will also work on Window$, MacOSX, etc.). As to code complexity Java has *MUCH* simpler code then C/C++ or almost any other non-scripting language (almost all of which are not as general purpose as they claim) I want to just give a example that should prove my point. In 1993-1995 I helped write one the first streaming media (video) servers in C/C++ took a team of 5 and 100+ KLoC. I wrote a similar video capturing program in Java in June because my SO was not able to find any suitable screen capture-->streamable video software that would work on all the platforms we needed to work on (she teaches computer science at the local university which has decided to call 100% virtual next semester). The Java version was less than 200 lines of code (ok I cheated a little and left the stitching together of screen snapshots to graphics/ffmpeg) that has a better frame rate (30 FPS vs. 10 FPS) and audio then we ever achieved in the C/C++ version above (credit Moore's Law mostly here). Note the Java version used nothing but the standard Java library that comes with OpenJDK8. Another case is I just wrote some code for the EMR to interface directly with a remote MySQL instance (first time we have used an external DB) and was able to have it automatically generate the needed SQL statements and such based on the structure of the data at run time in less than 100 lines of code, last time I did that C/C++ it was over 1000 lines of code and it was not able to handle dynamic structures at runtime while the Java version can (again the Java version used nothing but the standard Java library and a J/OBC driver [devel/mysql-connector-java]). > > AFA CLANG and Crystal, C++ is what colleges teach newbie coders in CS. > Business apps coders headed for IT and (shudder) the IT web stack get Java. > Admittedly, they don't go very deep (in either of those cases) but the user > base is out there. C++ is also what a lot of FreeBSD itself is written in > these days, so knowing at least something about it is A Very Good Thing(tm). > Actually Java has been the language of instruction at most schools (grad/undergrad CS [not IT]) for almost 20 years now: https://www.bestcomputerscienceschools.net/what-languages-will-i-learn-in-a-computer-science-program/ ... Says most schools use Java with a smaller number using C/C++ and then even smaller numbers using misc. languages. Almost every CS (not computer engineering) paper I have read in the last 15 years uses Java as the reference language when dealing with general CS topics (specific topics like OS's of course are in other languages like C/C++). I agree C/C++ is definitely worth learning just not as a *FIRST* language (much more worth it then JavaShit). > > Crystal is based on Ruby, the most elegant language I have ever used, and > I started with assembler on 8-bit micro controllers in the 80s. That's > MPHO, but I've been coding for the Ruby interpreter since 2004. Crystal has > a wonderful combination of both dynamic and static typing. It's a language > with incredible depth but elegant simplicity, and it's extremely well > documented from top to bottom. > Quick note dynamic typing in *EVERY* language I have seen it is just asking for it! I have used Ruby and really liked some aspects of it like mix-ins but soon discovered that Java had them also in the much more elegant form interface(s) (keyword) and "smart" enums [as far I know no other language allows you to use enums this way] that allow you to have reflective like behavior without the bottomless pit of reflection. > > As always, YMMV. > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > > -- Aryeh M. 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Most of the installation time comes from the various >> versions of LLVM being requested by the HLL. IMHO, the LLVM >> is a much more flexible and accessible virtual execution >> engine than Oracle's Java and JVM. >> >> >> C/C++ most certainly are not beginner friendly languages and the >> OP is someone who has never done programming before. >> >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Doesn't make him a bad guy, Aryeh. Given that Brandon is already > doing his best to learn _and_ to contribute to the Project he > doesn't deserve such crabby comments, although I expected such > when I bracketed my opinion with . > > > What I misreading I never said he (or you) were "bad guys". Understood. Your comments were very succinct and *I* took that as rude. My apologies. > > IMHO, while Java syntax is deceptively simple, your comments to > date prove that _using_ the language in the real world is not > trivial. I made the mistake a few months back of attempting to > compile the entire JDK8 code base on a rock-stable Ubuntu 18 > system and it was a nightmare. The successive approximations you > have gone through to get a working IDE and JVM deployment > environment for Java show that it is a challenge, even for an > experienced coder as you obviously are. > > > Again *WRONG* I got Java to work as advertised right out the box with > nothing more than portmaster -d java/openjdk8 (that is all I have ever > needed to do on FreeBSD since the first time I ever used it on FreeBSD > back in 2004).   My "difficulty" with IDE's is not a "difficulty" only > a general very strong dislike of IDE's in *ANY* language (and I have > had the same issues with them in all languages for example Eclipse > when dealing with C/C++ drags around huge libraries that are not a > part of the STL or StdLib [or even Boost] and are a hell and half to > compile outside of Eclipse). Now, THAT makes a lot of sense, Aryeh. I have yet to even *attempt* to compile Eclipse from source on freeBSD. I, too, am heading towards simply adding source highlighting to EMACS and using it for everything. Unfortunately, in a lot of specialized work we do like data science, one needs a lot of specialized libraries. Perl with CPAN started this trend, but Python's taken that over the top, especially with the proliferation of scientific and DS tools. > > And Java is one the most natural languages I have used there are no > bizzare exceptions such as there are in JavaShit (oops JavaScript), > C/C++, etc.   If a keyword/construct works in place/platform A a given > way then it is guaranteed to work on place/platform B (even if on > radically different devices and/or OS's for example if I stay away > from Android only libraries then anything I write in FreeBSD will work > there without modification or recompiling and it will also work on > Window$, MacOSX, etc.). > > As to code complexity Java has *MUCH* simpler code then C/C++ or > almost any other non-scripting language (almost all of which are not > as general purpose as they claim) I want to just give a example that > should prove my point.   In 1993-1995 I helped write one the first > streaming media (video) servers in C/C++ took a team of 5 and 100+ > KLoC.  I wrote a similar video capturing program in Java in June > because my SO was not able to find any suitable screen > capture-->streamable video software that would work on all the > platforms we needed to work on (she teaches computer science at the > local university which has decided to call 100% virtual next > semester).   The Java version was less than 200 lines of code (ok I > cheated a little and left the stitching together of screen snapshots > to graphics/ffmpeg) that has a better frame rate (30 FPS vs. 10 FPS) > and audio then we ever achieved in the C/C++ version above (credit > Moore's Law mostly here).   Note the Java version used nothing but the > standard Java library that comes with OpenJDK8.   Another case is I > just wrote some code for the EMR to interface directly with a remote > MySQL instance (first time we have used an external DB) and was able > to have it automatically generate the needed SQL statements and such > based on the structure of the data at run time in less than 100 lines > of code, last time I did that C/C++ it was over 1000 lines of code and > it was not able to handle dynamic structures at runtime while the Java > version can (again the Java version used nothing but the standard Java > library and a J/OBC driver [devel/mysql-connector-java]). I'll certainly agree with your statement whole-heartedly: "As to code complexity Java has *MUCH* simpler code then C/C++ or almost any other non-scripting language," although I would argue that Java IS a scripting language since the JVM _is_ the interpreter. Disagreement on terminology, because with LLVM, so are CLANG and Crystal. > > > AFA CLANG and Crystal, C++ is what colleges teach newbie coders in > CS. Business apps coders headed for IT and (shudder) the IT web > stack get Java. Admittedly, they don't go very deep (in either of > those cases) but the user base is out there.  C++ is also what a > lot of FreeBSD itself is written in these days, so knowing at > least something about it is A Very Good Thing(tm). > > > Actually Java has been the language of instruction at most schools > (grad/undergrad CS [not IT]) for almost 20 years now: > https://www.bestcomputerscienceschools.net/what-languages-will-i-learn-in-a-computer-science-program/ > ... Says most schools use Java with a smaller number using C/C++ and > then even smaller numbers using misc. languages. Almost every CS (not > computer engineering) paper I have read in the last 15 years uses Java > as the reference language when dealing with general CS topics > (specific topics like OS's of course are in other languages like C/C++). Okay, my attention hasn't been on colleges, so I'll accept that. I do agree that Java is a much better first language choice than C or C++. > > I agree C/C++ is definitely worth learning just not as a *FIRST* > language (much more worth it then JavaShit). Ohh, gawd, yes. I'm fighting that sh!t-storm now as I've been asked to do a web-resident demo of my library. the right choice of jQuery wrappers helps, but it's still a royal PITA. > > > Crystal is based on Ruby, the most elegant language I have ever > used, and I started with assembler on 8-bit micro controllers in > the 80s. That's MPHO, but I've been coding for the Ruby > interpreter since 2004. Crystal has a wonderful combination of > both dynamic and static typing. It's a language with incredible > depth but elegant simplicity, and it's extremely well documented > from top to bottom. > > > Quick note dynamic typing in *EVERY* language I have seen it is just > asking for it! That's why I like Crystal. It lets you play fast and loose, but it insists that eventually ALL variables *must* have a known and *completely* defined union of possible types. It takes a while to compile, but that's because it's checking every possible case of every decision tree, not just the high-level syntax. It refuses to let you leave any dangling variables, period. I completely agree that dynamic typing is fraught with peril for *any* production environment. > > I have used Ruby and really liked some aspects of it like mix-ins but > soon discovered that Java had them also in the much more elegant form > interface(s) (keyword) and "smart" enums [as far I know no other > language allows you to use enums this way] that allow you to have > reflective like behavior without the bottomless pit of reflection. Sounds like we agree on more than we disagree, Aryeh. Sorry I got defensive! I'll look up these "smart" enums, and see if I can replicate them in Crystal. :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 06:08:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3923575BC for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5VSh34JSz4YHD for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1594706916; x=1597298916; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=u6yMmw/QJt33OZ4wX4LoIumJxUi/La6I6Gt1IMyzyO4=; b=AHAuvHdxl6m0C0Sr1MOd+ERh7YVdwPbTabxns69vpYJ94hb4AOeD3VfUt/TMcEsSoxNHXYAAWiw7L4q38/A8xyIZ9AWvzH2AycqC6gdMgd/aRdS7IWmGEheknhYXgWS8sHxNj4BngdWt45xI8opGL3iUGuZ8ghlW4GRiFkcDYsA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDNlOGQxMmEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:08:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:08:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jvE7D-0003KS-9N; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:08:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 07:08:31 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Don Wilde , Brandon helsley , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij Message-Id: <20200714070831.f01a144e1dc808ebea421afe@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5VSh34JSz4YHD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=AHAuvHdx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.94 / 15.00]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.781]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20003e8d12a.a464af111352ef3326518e94d3e7d53b@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:08:37 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:46:02 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > And Java is one the most natural languages I have used Yes it can be, but the pile of excremental programming philosophy that started with EJB, swallowed several books on design patterns (to be worn on the sleeve in sentence length variable names) has festered for a few decades since is anything but natural and pretty much requires an IDE to write. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.15)[-0.153]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:17:09 -0000 On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:08 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:46:02 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > And Java is one the most natural languages I have used > > Yes it can be, but the pile of excremental programming philosophy > that started with EJB, swallowed several books on design patterns (to be > worn on the sleeve in sentence length variable names) has festered for a > few decades since is anything but natural and pretty much requires an IDE > to write. Strangely it is surprisingly easy to write working code in but > remarkably hard to debug when it doesn't work for subtle reasons. > Almost anything can be misused or used in the wrong situations. Design patterns are in this camp, when used to solve real architectural issues (not just slavishly applying them without solving an actual issue) they are extremely useful if used sparingly. For example the MySQL interfacing I mentioned in the thread is partially solved by a strategy pattern used to fill in the dynamic parts of SQL statements for example the values and field names in a insert or update. If the DB we were interfacing too was not so badly designed (likely the most idiotic DB design I have seen *AND* the least understood by the programmers who work with it [for example instead of using autoincremented ID numbers the DB still uses numeric ID numbers but computes each one by counting the number of rows in the table and then adding 1 [yet when pressed about an obvious potential bug with this scheme the VP of Engineering in the vendor whose DB we need to interface said "don't go down that rabbit whole" and when we asked about the concurrency issues it raises we got "we will not answer irrelevent questions, nor do we support external modification of the DB, if you have any issues with the product contact tech support ".... this after telling us there where no concurrency issues when in fact we could clearly see from the transactions log that there had to be some concurrency going on because their app was referencing ID's in a select that had not been assigned/stored in the DB yet [that was the next query?!??!]... yes the orginal vendor app was also in Java but written by idiots that like you said likely have no idea why certain things are recommended they just use them and do so wrongly). Also keep in mind that Java is not the only language that has abusable features/debug nightmares, do I need to mention pointers when they are not being used for the one there is no other way to do it (guaranteed ability to address a specific segment of memory by it's address and the address being specified by the programmer.... this is almost never needed outside of a device driver and/or memory manager)... case in point of how hard pointer bugs can be to fine I spent 4 weeks debugging a crap load of unrelated bugs in a application I was writing in C++ that appeared to all be unrelated (stuff like local variables changing there values when they where in theory not in scope because the function had already called another function with a different stack frame) and finally tracked down to a really stupid typo in the memory manager I had also written for the app where I said "void *ptr=malloc(sizeof(size))" where "size" was the number of bytes the memory manager had been asked to allocate... Bottom line not everything is a nail so using a hammer on everything is wrong but it is equally wrong to use a screwdriver handle as a hammer when you find an actual real nail -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 09:47:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7589435CA39 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5bKf548Qz4b07 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1594720071; x=1597312071; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=WKRhGH8gWV3NRwrDSIRZOddTxvWTmIMlV9cJIF+EQlc=; b=GDWflqpO02SqqthqxHNKHfRHhMk0ScRP7/yF2F8gWONib+YM4gJILPYz68UwtsW5B8Rt12IWEQiPkgfPm0/0kJrz059C+44SDTj7bdNjs5SzZ3bFyIoRTFSHCyR3rTbdZ37W8jdAnWlujMbyZX3LfLYoxmi/91y4hF3dMEjjA1w= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDNlYzc2NTYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:47:42 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:47:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jvHXD-00040R-CI; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:47:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:47:35 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Don Wilde , Brandon helsley , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij Message-Id: <20200714104735.ceae71903e2f61bf401655ea@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <5a761348-fb9f-5cf3-e035-7ba42afcb221@gmail.com> <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> <20200714070831.f01a144e1dc808ebea421afe@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5bKf548Qz4b07 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=GDWflqpO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.33 / 15.00]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.14)[-1.140]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20003ec7656.fb687f0c91fdb5f5fabc20b833a56a85@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.007]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:47:51 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:16:56 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:08 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:46:02 -0400 > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > And Java is one the most natural languages I have used > > > > Yes it can be, but the pile of excremental programming > > philosophy that started with EJB, swallowed several books on design > > patterns (to be worn on the sleeve in sentence length variable names) > > has festered for a few decades since is anything but natural and pretty > > much requires an IDE to write. Strangely it is surprisingly easy to > > write working code in but remarkably hard to debug when it doesn't work > > for subtle reasons. > > > > Almost anything can be misused or used in the wrong situations. Design > patterns are in this camp, when used to solve real architectural issues > (not just slavishly applying them without solving an actual issue) they > are extremely useful if used sparingly. Of course, what is surprising is how well they work in many ways when applied to excess, they make it possible to write working code that is all but impossible to understand. > Also keep in mind that Java is not the only language that has abusable > features/debug nightmares, Oh indeed, Perl has a subculture large enough to tarnish the entire language as write only - it isn't but some Perl styles are. Also there is nothing really Java specific about that school of programming except that Java is their chosen language. A similar approach is possible in almost any OO language. Like Perl the culture is often mistaken for the language. > do I need to mention pointers when they are not Pointers were very useful when memory was tight as well as for low level stuff but yes dangerous, hard to debug and easy to write incomprehensible code. It's not so much abusable language features as the existence of a large community bent on abusing them. > Bottom line not everything is a nail so using a hammer on everything is > wrong but it is equally wrong to use a screwdriver handle as a hammer when > you find an actual real nail Well said. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 10:10:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7D235D44C for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5bqF674Wz3xwD for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5EF10199; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:09:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Command to create multiple virtual NIC To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" References: <5F0BABA9.9090105@gmail.com> <5F0C83B0.1060004@gmail.com> <5F0C8F94.6080207@gmail.com> <1f381b92-150c-14c0-ce51-e0addcd7b904@qeng-ho.org> <5F0C9FDF.7000805@gmail.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:09:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F0C9FDF.7000805@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5bqF674Wz3xwD X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.022]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.309]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.66)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:10:03 -0000 On 13/07/2020 18:54, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 13/07/2020 17:45, Ernie Luzar wrote: >>> Shamim Shahriar wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 16:54 Ernie Luzar, >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>     Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: >>>>      > What are you trying to accomplish? >>>>      > >>>>      > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:33 PM Ernie Luzar >>>> >>>     > wrote: >>>>      >> Hello List; >>>>      >> I have hardware interface em0 and want to create em1 and >>>> em2. >>>>      >> What is command to do that? >>>>      >> >>>>      >> Thanks >>>>      > >>>> >>>>     Looking for command to create multiple virtual NICs to hand >>>> vlans >>>>     off of. >>>>     __________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-vlan.html >>>> >>>> Does it answer your question? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>> NO it does not. It does not tell you what 192.168.20.20/24 is suppose to >>> represent. Is that suppose to be the hosts public routables ip address >>> or an ip address from one of the reserved private lan non-public >>> routable ip address ranges. >> >> Any address beginning 192.168 is an RFC 1918 private address (as are >> 10.* and 172.16-31.*). If you're not familiar with something that basic >> you might want to read up a bit more about networking before getting >> into vlans. >> >> > Ya I know about them. I have LAN behind the host that working just fine > using 10.0.0.0/8 > > I get my dynamic ip address from my ISP this way. > ifconfig_re0="DHCP" > > Now to create vlan for re0 I have this in rc.conf > > vlans_re0="1 2 3" > > ifconfig=re0__1="DHCP"  times out with no address from the isp during boot Does your ISP support connection via vlan? What do you think is going to happen? > ifconfig=re0__1="inet 10.0.500.1/24"  gets invalid ip address in boot log. IPv4 addresses have components in 0-255. 500 is not a valid component. > > My understanding of vlans is the first vlan tag steps on any ip address > the parent re0 has gotten by DHCP. That is why I tried > ifconfig=re0__1="inet 10.0.500.1/24" > > What is wrong here? -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. 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I was afraid I'd managed to start a *real* flame war, one of those endless my-language/your-language pissing matches. :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 13:36:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A8C362FF0 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5hPX164Kz4bfD for ; 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I was afraid I'd managed to start a *real* flame war, one of those > endless my-language/your-language pissing matches. :D Don't worry! Experienced programmers _know_ that you can write crappy code in _every_ language - it's just the fact the some languages encourage writing bad code more than others if the programmer did not properly learn the language's elements and its adjacent tools. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I was afraid I'd managed to start a *real* flame war, one of those > > endless my-language/your-language pissing matches. :D > > Don't worry! Experienced programmers _know_ that you can write > crappy code in _every_ language - it's just the fact the some > languages encourage writing bad code more than others if the > programmer did not properly learn the language's elements and > its adjacent tools. :-) And others (like COBOL[1]) are strictly discourage bad/non reading code. Sometimes, when I had to read and understand others code, the DECLARACTION SECTION, PROCEDURE SECTION miss me :-) [^1]: Yes, I'm old enought to learned coding in COBOL (not object, I'm not so crazy). -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 15:28:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449D23664E8 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5ktF73LQz3TvW for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id k23so17664678iom.10 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:28:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qoBFcgwrZKQXHyegQEEj+cqedSZcs/DtJSBT1J74z7A=; b=QszBGg2B0UeDnQpv9z5AB4tjburUVGOiFG4t81zDXgfEP7y2f3+5P8xaSdRqPpepof 2gXeaEIwo2QjOip/Uy/DsuS8D2vXQl4k5vrPCWZxvulca2Za5twjv4OF4SuZawAdXV0z kaAbSYkWezlCdhPb6b4yg+VK/u4cF4uO40EHeiP8L7WVaAcYQWkQjxV0RnMZuzL9Z2ef iGLJubboWC4Kbe4vai76KLebPMDtBSqMqxUsbTIw1FIe6Z8fZT7KU54g9kuq4hwi9Jy3 AbU/jbs7FX6zVw4a/5dDwe1QrdYOFsKV2wrKAAETl9UwNfN/R/9IhwonmDrRJl7nif38 7ALw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qoBFcgwrZKQXHyegQEEj+cqedSZcs/DtJSBT1J74z7A=; b=i9Xj0A/AzeKJQ0FN4ZXHOcnXU5MnBA1Qhu4tZphyNiABMRkOwWEulQjBQZR3zcUzBd DpGr6eyqdv3gBzA3XskIq3jvimcRT5urfdcU+dVW6UyBPkvC0PPtPadtzZMrjAKEzeu6 w1Ish2DEUowAKbtFUUZm5br1tfOAVXhPjp9sZDjHY4b9KcJ6TNswJklTKjaLESi77aGJ PtNh6UR1OKesJ1vNcycYuIe6eExvKCc1NR3nKUJDSNtM/7UQRCGTKT1tLmK09OP2EmuI hWc9cALFVNgmojcEfpmWgrOZPuKTtY8SvDnDnTlYnVIpWhNonpUgb5qxXvEP/yb2uoym Qz4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Xq/SDnWQ8pG3NF/yr++PxsRxI92qFro++cY+JsmJdg7joN5tj Jw46a3Zuek8NFOq6+zDZWtEw8VOMtb3CYjP/lD0rRiWb X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzdmnYz4B5D4FIW604PBP19Kpc/q+qg4ObPnGwd10HgakGS206Hry0gk1BB7hRqucfp72BjGSq31fmgXJhHROs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2549:: with SMTP id j9mr5278253ioe.89.1594740484247; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:28:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> <20200714070831.f01a144e1dc808ebea421afe@sohara.org> <20200714104735.ceae71903e2f61bf401655ea@sohara.org> <8f96ee4e-2922-7850-6839-1c50a62094fe@gmail.com> <20200714153626.62ade8ec.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200714151237.GA28670@mithril> In-Reply-To: <20200714151237.GA28670@mithril> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:27:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5ktF73LQz3TvW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QszBGg2B; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.84 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.014]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.06)[-1.065]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.24)[0.244]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:28:07 -0000 On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:13 AM Jacques Foucry wrote: > > > Whew! I was afraid I'd managed to start a *real* flame war, one of > those > > > endless my-language/your-language pissing matches. :D > > > > Don't worry! Experienced programmers _know_ that you can write > > crappy code in _every_ language - it's just the fact the some > > languages encourage writing bad code more than others if the > > programmer did not properly learn the language's elements and > > its adjacent tools. :-) > > And others (like COBOL[1]) are strictly discourage bad/non reading code. > COBOL is the very definition of a language that encourages bad code (assembly is the only one that is worse). One of the worst offending items is a construct (I forget the actual code) that boils down to goto with a symbolic (and changeable at run time) goto. The only thing worse then this when keeping with the unconditional arbitrary instruction pointer changing theme (aka "goto considered harmful") is a hypothetical construct I have joked about I call "dynamic camefrom". Camefrom says to go back to the last location that executed a goto (think of it as an unstructured return/break/continue that can be used between functions and outside of loops). The dynamic camefrom lets you at runtime symbolically specify how many gotos to jump over when going back to where you came from (it is a seg fault/core dump if you specify a number of gotos that is greater then the number executed so far in the program or if it is negative). The icing on the cake would be a purely dynamically typed language that implies type by first assignment (such as JavaShit) implementing dynamic camefroms. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 16:30:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B879C367F24 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5mGC3KCbz41yP for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id br7so8939311ejb.5 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:30:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=owfyBNtaWdrvij/ik9y+m9IzMs9cLAxBBlkPCuU1RwY=; b=eNJ5iJBVlV6TpL+0sDIYa+e9k5EqOAglvXRZ1CxMXEl0Bdqhgx8ZsVzC8hJ3ZPQ610 zcHyM132ic2AikRgUQ+1/HEz3NMzmU8GUGbjX0t3ysfnhMKLfqvOl0zLLwcm3cOm0xsr uSjtwjveMP8YlgJXyD8BjjW+zYSy7UI+TP7JTLojYOnBSKtAA3dfa7D6JhG8uUeXkNJ/ iJZ50juRP9a1LI8B4HmycKdNcXl95kB3GHjv9UfqQgwJh6qeCd9ZGhgaZ2RaUJW6g6dZ NnHLjCvq0Fug7+kdpyu2gOIaVxM/Xc1v68OlmRxQcCqFyIY4ysbRvqmxsQ0jM6pLJftx Zu1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=owfyBNtaWdrvij/ik9y+m9IzMs9cLAxBBlkPCuU1RwY=; b=TG6su52ZaKxidVvIOjcbKXtS6S4Q1R8STOHgse93VeR1MRR5JxKzKDrcd7yDP+dVRU 81K1dT9jeHGmruCUDdpPbWEVdfUgilX81uqR7sUw+gdgn/l6Bd4SeoH7zPOxio3W/xz1 W9X/HC/rIWpz1OPefHhZ4fleTXeUEX8bOIl22VBYlzaqhv+BaDp86iHzbrJ0fZJjtqM8 QxfbLH4WRg5l22koGsFu0cbZ4e2vrI7QgXrTOJd1BHhIwNtBezeMZIQOo/r1G/GTumdp bMKVy/tF2QQSlIEcYfb9CrKrZam9RPikqBfyAm1bawvIVLsuKdHwfE+EOvrRZFzA8+PT zMsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5323iNNTH6xPJcVDru3HZqUFcXA9PCbV07hFvUQPo5YHhl9XxsmL reoYoeslAApqDx7vdhpm3jz031p/Y8R9tDQKpM3EKzpz X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxjSFaSyi1aOFLwpSabXvrxAmtffLzHN6BExGXo2KP33B9yGqg20Gh/jBAD554UxtJsFipRCzhveMLks2EuHTI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:84ef:: with SMTP id zp15mr5297171ejb.3.1594744224382; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:30:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a54:3805:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:30:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD, StrongSwan, authentication failed with certificate with Android client To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5mGC3KCbz41yP X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=eNJ5iJBV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.033]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.05)[-1.050]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.349]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:30:28 -0000 Hello, I've got StrongSwan set up on a vnet FreeBSD jail. I'm forwarding the correct UDP ports and have made a root, a server, and a client certificate. I've loaded the root CA in to the Android app, and have loaded in the .p12 file in to the app. I atempt to connect and get a failed authentication message. The log is quite extensive and I'm not seeing the specific problem. Can someone take a look and let me know what the issue might be? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 16:43:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CE4368563 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5mY133B2z4Kyw for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org) Received: from lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3863733C06 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2D41023F910B; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: User Questions Subject: Re: Problem with unbound resolving host References: <20200713102451.017682d2@scorpio.seibercom.net> Reply-To: User Questions Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200713102451.017682d2@scorpio.seibercom.net> (jerry@seibercom.net's message of "Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:24:51 -0400") Message-ID: <44lfjmawcs.fsf@Be-Well.Ilk.Org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5mY133B2z4Kyw X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org has no SPF policy when checking 23.30.133.173) smtp.mailfrom=Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.66 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[Ilk.Org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.920]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.992]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.448]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd-questions-local@Be-Well.Ilk.Org,Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:23.30.0.0/15, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd-questions-local@Be-Well.Ilk.Org,Lowell@Be-Well.Ilk.Org]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:43:18 -0000 > FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p1 > > I have: local_unbound_enable="YES" in my /etc/rc.conf file. The problem > is with some utility programs like "curl" or "wget" > > When using either program to assess "https://www.spamhaus.org" a failure > message is emitted similar to the following: > > curl https://www.spamhaus.org > curl: (6) Could not resolve host: www.spamhaus.org > > The "nameserver" is set to "127.0.0.1" when that occurs. If I modify it > as shown below to "192.168.1.1" everything works fine. > > nameserver 192.168.1.1 > options edns0 I'm sure that is in resolv.conf, but you should mention things like that. I'm also assuming that the machine you're trying this on actually has the address 192.168.1.1. Otherwise, um, yes, that's what should happen. Check if you're specifying "interface:" in your unbound.conf file. If you do, you want to include 127.0.0.1 in the set you specify. However, unless you have a good reason, don't override it at all. Be well. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 17:43:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5D236A201 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5nsx16j8z4cLk for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:42:47 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594748578; bh=IAMG/uqoq9kPzqrFuvU8tFaPPy1taLe28zjH5Q4tN24=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hijvpYaeZWlF9ZtUxH5oA5gcEx0lSo5VcmDTjDlx/PtlRuEypwQ3PSjTmKXQlto4u LTM4tOIEf4JyF+3MTmf14ZvLgkyGyc611/Uvztm4vRy3/8+V4FCmrjJ0gSuMhREAhC loUDlpx3WTt2eL6nD25Ia8bw2n/kPsXQOpv7Q1/M= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> In-Reply-To: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5nsx16j8z4cLk X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=hijvpYae; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.70.40.22:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.023]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.354]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.22:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:43:02 -0000 On 2020-07-13 11:33 a.m., David Christensen wrote: > I see a few related posts on the Purism forum: >=20 > https://forums.puri.sm/search?q=3Dfreebsd Hi David. Yes, those posts were the first ones, I went thru. These, however, are pretty outdated. Back in the day installing FreeBSD was easy -- there was no problem. This led me (sorry, haven't mentioned that in my original email) to also try 11.4. But it also didn't work for me. There was no error message about that missing /boot/entropy, but it froze just the same. >=20 > What is the intended purpose of the laptop? Are you asking about how I want to use FreeBSD on this laptop? If so, I want to learn FreeBSD. I suspect, I'll really like it, so very possibly will also be contributing to it. I've been Debian Developer since around 2006 and I'd like to broaden my expertise and also get to know FreeBSD really well. > What is the model number and/or part number of the laptop? Librem 13v4 > Please post the URL for the manufacturer support page. On main page: https://puri.sm/ there is a section "Support" with couple of links (Contact, Documentation, FAQ, Forums and My Account). >=20 > What are the hardware specifications -- CPU, memory, storage, graphics > chip, display, Ethernet, WiFi, etc.? CPU is: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz 4 cores. Got 32 gig DDR4 memory Storage: Got 2 drives. 1TB NVMe (fully dedicated to Debian Testing installation) 0.5TB SATA SSD (dedicated fully for my FreeBSD installation) Graphics: $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02) 00:1f.5 Non-VGA unclassified device: Intel Corporation Device 9d24 (rev 21) There's no ethernet. WiFi: $ lspci | grep Wireless 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) >=20 > What is the motherboard firmware version? A newest version of Purism's CoreBoot: https://source.puri.sm/coreboot/utility >=20 > Is PureOS installed and running correctly? What is the version? What > is the Linux version? I'm not running PureOS. I'm running Debian Testing, which is a base for PureOS. >=20 > Do you want to do multi-boot or FreeBSD only? Yes, but I'll have a separate SATA SSD dedicated to FreeBSD, so I'll be deciding at BIOS stage, which system to boot (another words, from which drive to boot). Choosing the drive to boot from is really the only choice, SeaBIOS gives you. :) > Please post the partition table for the primary storage device. If the > laptop has additional storage devices and you want to use them with > FreeBSD (e.g. ZFS mirror, raidz), please post their partition tables. > Please post /etc/crypttab and/or /etc/fstab if you have a PureOS or > Linux installation and want to do multi-boot. Didn't get to the partitioning phase yet, so the drive is not partitioned yet. > As an alternative, is there a hypervisor available for PureOS? As I mentioned in my 1st email, I installed FreeBSD successfully a number of times in a VM -- that is not a problem. I just wanted to also get a bare metal experience. 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There is a patch to ipfilter to fix bug about ipv6 rules that use 'keep state'. This fix did not make it into 12.1. I think its included in 13.0 and was back ported to 12.1 stable. Is there a way to update 12.1 RELEASE with all the stable fixes from the stable branch? 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[174.26.202.167]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm18185505pfn.117.2020.07.14.12.15.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Looking for method to update RELEASE 12.1 with stable 12.1 fixes To: Ernie Luzar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <5F0DFEE4.6060807@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <89291edf-7a70-e3e0-5fd1-9165334e04e0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:15:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F0DFEE4.6060807@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5qwq43n0z3WCL X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=uiKMtwVD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::434 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.79 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.26.202.167:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.028]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.205]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.969]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::434:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:15:41 -0000 On 7/14/20 11:52 AM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > Hello list; > > Running RELEASE 12.1 in production. There is a patch to ipfilter to > fix bug about ipv6 rules that use 'keep state'. This fix did not make > it into 12.1. I think its included in 13.0 and was back ported to 12.1 > stable. Is there a way to update 12.1 RELEASE with all the stable > fixes from the stable branch? Glad you asked. I run 12-STABLE myself. The whole procedure is documented in Handbook section 23, and 23.3 and 23.4 are the specifics of what you need. **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 21:05:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0025936F475 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5tM02Gntz4f10 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06EL4mX0094465 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:04:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: UFS dump bigger than expected Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:04:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5tM02Gntz4f10 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.962]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.732]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:05:02 -0000 Hello. I've got a problem with an UFS filesystem: dump produces a file which is bigger than I expect. # freebsd-version -ku 11.3-RELEASE-p10 11.3-RELEASE-p10 # uname -m amd64 # df -h -t ufs|grep usr /dev/mirror/gm0d 242G 199G 24G 89% /usr # cd /usr/ # du -x -d 0 -h 182G . # du -x -d 0 -n -h 9.2G . # /sbin/dump -0 -a -f /data/dumps/usr.dump -L -h 0 -u /usr DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Tue Jul 14 20:00:14 2020 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping snapshot of /dev/mirror/gm0d (/usr) to /data/dumps/usr.dump DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 27584621 tape blocks. DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] DUMP: 4.18% done, finished in 1:54 at Tue Jul 14 22:02:57 2020 DUMP: 9.36% done, finished in 1:36 at Tue Jul 14 21:50:15 2020 DUMP: 16.19% done, finished in 1:17 at Tue Jul 14 21:36:01 2020 DUMP: 27.59% done, finished in 0:52 at Tue Jul 14 21:15:51 2020 DUMP: 43.59% done, finished in 0:32 at Tue Jul 14 21:00:43 2020 DUMP: 59.13% done, finished in 0:20 at Tue Jul 14 20:54:06 2020 DUMP: 68.72% done, finished in 0:15 at Tue Jul 14 20:54:17 2020 DUMP: 86.52% done, finished in 0:06 at Tue Jul 14 20:49:35 2020 DUMP: 96.40% done, finished in 0:01 at Tue Jul 14 20:50:02 2020 DUMP: DUMP: 27589206 tape blocks on 1 volume DUMP: finished in 2797 seconds, throughput 9863 KBytes/sec DUMP: level 0 dump on Tue Jul 14 20:00:14 2020 DUMP: Closing /data/dumps/usr.dump DUMP: DUMP IS DONE #ls -lh /data/dumps total 27596000 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 26G Jul 14 20:49 usr.dump So, resuming, there's 182GB or 199GB of data here, but only 9.2GB of this should be dumped; the rest has the "nodump" flags active. However I end up with 26GB of dump! This machine has been there for something like five years and dump has always worked properly. The only thing I came up with, while searching the web, is:https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=111782 but this is a little different. Any hint? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 22:12:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE2D351446 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5vrs2yY0z461x for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:12:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5vrs2yY0z461x X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.48)[0.476]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.72)[0.722]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.95)[0.955]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:12:32 -0000 On 2020-07-14 10:42, Patryk Cisek wrote: > > > On 2020-07-13 11:33 a.m., David Christensen wrote: >> What is the intended purpose of the laptop? > > Are you asking about how I want to use FreeBSD on this laptop? If so, I > want to learn FreeBSD. I suspect, I'll really like it, so very possibly > will also be contributing to it. I've been Debian Developer since around > 2006 and I'd like to broaden my expertise and also get to know FreeBSD > really well. >> What is the model number and/or part number of the laptop? > > Librem 13v4 >> What are the hardware specifications -- CPU, memory, storage, graphics >> chip, display, Ethernet, WiFi, etc.? > > CPU is: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz > 4 cores. > > Got 32 gig DDR4 memory > > Storage: > Got 2 drives. 1TB NVMe (fully dedicated to Debian Testing installation) > 0.5TB SATA SSD (dedicated fully for my FreeBSD installation) > > Graphics: > $ lspci | grep VGA > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 > (rev 02) > 00:1f.5 Non-VGA unclassified device: Intel Corporation Device 9d24 (rev 21) > > There's no ethernet. WiFi: > $ lspci | grep Wireless > 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network > Adapter (rev 01) >> Do you want to do multi-boot or FreeBSD only? > > Yes, but I'll have a separate SATA SSD dedicated to FreeBSD, so I'll be > deciding at BIOS stage, which system to boot (another words, from which > drive to boot). Choosing the drive to boot from is really the only > choice, SeaBIOS gives you. :) > >> Please post the partition table for the primary storage device. If the >> laptop has additional storage devices and you want to use them with >> FreeBSD (e.g. ZFS mirror, raidz), please post their partition tables. >> Please post /etc/crypttab and/or /etc/fstab if you have a PureOS or >> Linux installation and want to do multi-boot. > > Didn't get to the partitioning phase yet, so the drive is not > partitioned yet. > >> As an alternative, is there a hypervisor available for PureOS? > > As I mentioned in my 1st email, I installed FreeBSD successfully a > number of times in a VM -- that is not a problem. I just wanted to also > get a bare metal experience. If your motherboard firmware is current, there are no configurable CMOS settings, and the 12.1-RELEASE installer does not work, I suggest that you get a (used) server with ECC memory and several drive adapters/ bays/ racks, install FreeBSD, install services that you need and use, and run it 24x7. This will give you the best "real world" FreeBSD experience. After that, you will be in a much better position to do development on or for FreeBSD. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 14 23:09:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C286D35262E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5x6b07wJz4Q0q for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patryk@cisek.email) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:16 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisek.email; s=protonmail; t=1594768162; bh=FIwIDj4F7WtW5kLgve8FDC6rDABeyFO9Y3D4GcWVF0U=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jAzL+E1zJ4CYBA8Nc7LRv6r1lV4i9g26wqfftOisBVrNf165tNCbvScgIUpcPHsh9 OoyICDbGWIaftOwXNIW3Evr1su2gANEEAWGMUgT8s0vJXmx5ysEoKq20mrlacS9YBs JiHgqyBq+ZTElLV5+hkVXNsYkiCOBWFXaKi6QLWo= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Patryk Cisek Reply-To: Patryk Cisek Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-ID: <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> In-Reply-To: References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5x6b07wJz4Q0q X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cisek.email header.s=protonmail header.b=jAzL+E1z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=cisek.email; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of patryk@cisek.email designates 185.70.40.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=patryk@cisek.email X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.04 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[patryk@cisek.email]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cisek.email:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.18:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.008]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.030]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cisek.email:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cisek.email,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.904]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.18:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:29 -0000 On 2020-07-14 3:12 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > If your motherboard firmware is current, there are no configurable CMOS > settings, and the 12.1-RELEASE installer does not work, I suggest that > you get a (used) server with ECC memory and several drive adapters/ > bays/ racks, install FreeBSD, install services that you need and use, > and run it 24x7. This will give you the best "real world" FreeBSD > experience. After that, you will be in a much better position to do > development on or for FreeBSD. Thanks for suggestion David, but I'm not interested in running FreeBSD in a server-like scenario. Saying that full blown server is the best "real world" experience is a subjective -- and therefore false for many people (including myself) -- opinion. In the long run, I intend to focus on end-user experience running FreeBSD as a daily driver on their laptops/workstations. And help resolving similar problems, that the one, I'm having right now. This is, what interests me, thus for me this is the most important use-case. 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I like the Intel Xeon CPU I like the idea. 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[174.26.202.167]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r8sm248073pfh.29.2020.07.14.17.02.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Freebsd running on used Rack server To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <06b6c34e-48e5-621e-fa7a-e914680997fb@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:02:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B5yHl2c0vz3Tfn X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=b2OyzpBr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.26.202.167:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.012]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:02:30 -0000 On 7/14/20 4:19 PM, Martin Glazer wrote: > Hello > Just curious what used Rack server would you recommend? I like the Intel > Xeon CPU > > I like the idea. I have Freebsd running in a used Dell Precision T3600 with > 6 core Xeon CPU Well, I'm a former Dell Enterprise and Intel coder, and I like server-class Xeons, but I have to say that an AMD Epyc with Micron's variant of Optane caching technology doesn't look bad either. I have experience with SuperMicro and Dell servers in racks, and the SM servers give you all the choice options (including genuine Intel) at a very competitive price. Whether you spend your money on gobs of cores or gobs of memory is the real choice and that depends on your workload. Anything less than a Facebook clone or video server doesn't really require more than a 1U or 2U server although 2U+ units give you excellent options for hot-swap RAID disks. Having multiple locations for failover is also an important consideration to factor in to your budget. Make sure you understand the difference between workstation-Xeons and server-Xeons. A Precision tower -- even with six physical cores -- is a good workstation, not a server. Yes, it's an awesomely fast machine, but good server-class rack chassis with Xeons don't cost a heck of a lot more than you spent on that tower and 20+ physical cores is not out of line nor exorbitantly expensive. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 00:18:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F103541DE for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5ydj1cdjz3ybb for ; 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Without any ancillary strategic value, I would NOT recommend using FreeBSD for a "daily driver". At the risk of offending some of my colleagues, I would suggest if your primary goal is simply a stable desktop environment, with a low learning curve and even lower maintenance requirements, you may be better served by an OS which has a stated goal to provide a superior desktop experience (e.g. Windows, OS X and some Linux distributions). While there have been (and still are) projects aimed at superior desktop environments on FreeBSD, there are simply too few users for such a system for the effort required to do a good job. While it is certainly technically possible to install software on a FreeBSD-based system to create "the best" desktop possible, it is also possible you will spend more time configuring and maintaining it, and less time accomplishing "real" work with the system. It all depends on your goals though. I develop and host web-based applications and services on FreeBSD, but the servers are headless and my interaction with them (other than the web apps) is a terminal window and command shell. My "daily drivers" are either Windows or Linux Mint. Maybe if I was a sysadmin or site reliability engineer using FreeBSD, or if I was developing software to run specifically on FreeBSD, and if I interacted less with business people and more with hardcore IS/IT people, then I might switch my desktop environment to FreeBSD and benefit from consolidated experiences and knowledge. Cheers, Dale From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 02:15:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AAF356B1E for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com (mail-ed1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B61Dq03rvz4Y1g for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id d16so412676edz.12 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:15:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=95vnCUBU7p1WR2T4cd+NJ+jnXYJoGVSusfZxM04gB8Q=; b=VkaJPsXIUpQt6ZOhjixVy/6dleQrZQmeFVnP3fGDQd3GAQmkO6+PwDJNIXgS1Ke3Ys 8I0w9M+7loecPt237XidDaddfJK03X9xIzc9cRcYKup4J4zEODVaSklALP3cU8EO096o ZhPmhjud3U3o218N/6/tIM8snDsZ56PlC1GRxyltRpzX+4tJiFEM3VTn0fL0Evqhkgla PiO9hsg4QkN1GJIiLHGvoWFRjFPM5cPK/QuLTbRMQnLcjbOZv1LLMG4+gEcdmUpLd6qp HVewIecHdecsfWvBRn+xeda+aV2bCcVCF4l3EHytBWrGhKb9v8a4OptDYKGuXW3547Es zxcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=95vnCUBU7p1WR2T4cd+NJ+jnXYJoGVSusfZxM04gB8Q=; b=RXmR92QmY3p5y5MlFJe6hDCPFCJ/aWQT4kAQW04GEYaDiRYthL0TKFB4ZemYBJEJi5 +kxofjIgQwGIG6rSCjnctpOZzg9linWROkbKJGXsElBxIQZXrqwWgiQHAjEURbsVd28W yA4+RIFz1fwBW4apyxrCKBBs5L+5fX+7lOE+YqMojPMrGayPk7lkyD60PFyNBKZ2FSt0 aFfRS6bFaTKU5zR+bXvYmXVu1YXm3nitG0K13y2l1yl12B6R7h0hgrWjsw+6HptOVeuj IpieIj15UGFdj3jTAWyIaINi/prYhMaMYO5GmNUoxUwv5c+3Qojv3+LknYncloYaKXQD AUUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532JhWFTyUJ0HMhrFwQhMLo9QlUTg9a75A23P316B2XSTMe0K2Gs +zY+zz7+4E8cgWTWxK9zJRIlvppmMRl8HAFQq4fF+Y02 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwDAMIPkcGT2g+0UoBsvtJ3TOqOtv3mSlBILNviMpBeTFXWpP6gp8aM2FIbHBBP45KseY/eqTKQph6Wx5Udrps= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:cd52:: with SMTP id v18mr7055771edw.196.1594779304988; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a54:3805:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:15:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: David Mehler Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:15:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD, StrongSwan, authentication failed with certificate with Android client To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B61Dq03rvz4Y1g X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VkaJPsXI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davemehler@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::533 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davemehler@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.031]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.05)[-1.050]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::533:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.078]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:15:09 -0000 Hello, Adding to this I believe this is my error: Jul 14 12:08:44 11[IKE] received TS_UNACCEPTABLE notify, no CHILD_SA built Jul 14 12:08:44 11[IKE] closing IKE_SA due CHILD_SA setup failure Any suggestions? The strongswan is in a vnet-jail, said jail has a public IPv6 address and a private IPv4 address which is natted to the host's public IPv4 address it's 192.168.5.x/24. On the connecting side home setup, single public IPv4 address, Orbi system providing wireless, routing, nat, private IPv4 address space of 192.168.129.0/24. Separate but possibly related, also having issue getting Asterisk audio going from server to remote connection. Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. On 7/14/20, David Mehler wrote: > Hello, > > I've got StrongSwan set up on a vnet FreeBSD jail. I'm forwarding the > correct UDP ports and have made a root, a server, and a client > certificate. I've loaded the root CA in to the Android app, and have > loaded in the .p12 file in to the app. I atempt to connect and get a > failed authentication message. The log is quite extensive and I'm not > seeing the specific problem. Can someone take a look and let me know > what the issue might be? > > Thanks. > Dave. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 05:33:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1188A35A23B for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B65dq0tWmz3dSw for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:33:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <00be91c7-5bb8-5a7f-22b5-5fad5237c135@holgerdanske.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:33:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B65dq0tWmz3dSw X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.82 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.38)[0.379]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.66)[0.660]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.88)[0.878]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 05:33:36 -0000 On 2020-07-14 16:09, Patryk Cisek wrote: > > > On 2020-07-14 3:12 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > >> If your motherboard firmware is current, there are no configurable CMOS >> settings, and the 12.1-RELEASE installer does not work, I suggest that >> you get a (used) server with ECC memory and several drive adapters/ >> bays/ racks, install FreeBSD, install services that you need and use, >> and run it 24x7. This will give you the best "real world" FreeBSD >> experience. After that, you will be in a much better position to do >> development on or for FreeBSD. > > Thanks for suggestion David, but I'm not interested in running FreeBSD > in a server-like scenario. Saying that full blown server is the best > "real world" experience is a subjective -- and therefore false for many > people (including myself) -- opinion. In the long run, I intend to focus > on end-user experience running FreeBSD as a daily driver on their > laptops/workstations. And help resolving similar problems, that the one, > I'm having right now. This is, what interests me, thus for me this is > the most important use-case. Then your choices would seem to be: 1. Debug the FreeBSD installer when it runs on your laptop. I use the "memstick" version, burned to a USB flash drive. Run the installer in text mode and switch back and forth between the installer and another virtual console (Alt+F1 and Alt+F2). The memstick filesystem(s) will be mounted read-only. I can and have crawled the installer shell script code. I have also remounted the memstick filesystem(s) read-write, and hacked /usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot so that the system disk is partitioned to my liking. (I can and do mount the memstick filesystem(s) read-write in a working FreeBSD machine, when I want my development tools.) 2. Find a compatible computer, install FreeBSD, and install packages and/or ports as required to meet your definition of "daily driver". Understand that there is a common set of knowledge and skills in running a FreeBSD server and running a FreeBSD graphical workstation/ desktop/ daily driver. I am not suggesting that you set up a "full blown server", which I would define as a server on the public Internet. My idea was that you set up a small server for your LAN, using services that you are already familiar with (I chose Samba and CVS). This will allow you to learn the common set and cover well-trodden ground. All of my experiences using FreeBSD as a daily driver have been a struggle, especially on the one laptop I tried (Dell Inspiron E1505). I did run FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE and Xfce as a daily driver for several months, but it was clunky, missing features, and brittle. I went back to Debian stable and Xfce for my daily driver. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 06:31:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7108535B2F7 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B66wD6wLgz4R4t for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.237.238]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M26n9-1jtgCP35Cb-002TRL; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:31:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:31:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Patryk Cisek Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-Id: <20200715083104.8137ec61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jhVMk/GTekwUx6YTkY2ApvrM0OZ63HUMa/l9TOh14ORJMELcV+e J7TrOMQSkq4sYj0vIyKbZHoGttYkAzGxq6JrAxKgeAghN2OzQ2rbApqjfJkaRvloZH36HO9 PWyh4f5+rgayh3utY1kw2uUSHRItIcbcaergRYjaI0oQOiip1RdyruK2qB9HfOVFotdzYXJ L7X9v8X+2oMEpTC9z5mNg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BwBH36kTDcU=:jKWbh+yjNxS2Zj1nPOfmoE IFMUC1rr1T6bQFLiQHkWbhOguxgaORjjA5GnqStS9XWHH2Q5xkeZXOzQOIAh+0i725Z0bRuFe wHvEfD5SK9S+de4up8k9K+odKuB0hYIAqYTjnjZlJ42iSzq+gTx2gv9yW4bnTAkVW3HYbYoY5 /xfnnJiNREQErJ2mFPnTLSC9YQDzxvHBN25P9dO+B9w2G8/zPdaxOAbzoBJ9GsPD2oDeWXwZ9 fqhcZwz816ZJ28WwCrpc3IsimVmslmAUfr5KTu5SH4bMhmTgwJ2zdXSNDDW9WKuJmNSal4xkT gbi46MysThkgk3ewmL8FUalty2sRyUVMg0wUo+TLCjmHoGGtU6hOI8yPjVpCIitU7GlwUbvhW u9fhiZbJM1sfkwfqYhmTdZop8MI1qcSqwo/WDcI2LcLYXldlDyL2JQI3BCAqIVSRCVUz6trlk i2Q7VscHCRKbBoMBIGYj9nhh59ZXJKNVphk8VQe/7G7408BTmldunZWHbI0dlADVxScHyJoW9 J8sylDzez/Yv3qsc2KabXBSO+8pz9FBNAaT+HIgImd+iLKW12YVPiZT4NrfzYskNadEoKBStP 2KcoUwB+5Olo8IXPoYU//EA7IN9Az/p4dD4Mgacn4ddnDsaUxYTyBqbfbzvig11CHGTzpZn0e +NcT1wfrmrsSfYuldB+txKPColAHovkDpuVpS9vORmuP9qAxawZOG+Gicnw+yx0Z8UgAIGvow 3e+zS+TjZgSV8cvjQojloILd76TstegpQsFh0YKU3aXogfrqjafj4cANieGorB025oRVN4Zd/ vG6VZYyFwgD10q9q+cL09rEnQfUAZRY/wC08Jphp6slKer1ebMHnP4wlvhq3jkeHJYN6hrg X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B66wD6wLgz4R4t X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.443]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.237.238:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.545]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.60)[0.598]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:31:10 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:09:16 +0000, Patryk Cisek wrote: > Saying that full blown server is the best > "real world" experience is a subjective -- and therefore false for many > people (including myself) -- opinion. In the long run, I intend to focus > on end-user experience running FreeBSD as a daily driver on their > laptops/workstations. There is another interesting option: The hardware of your laptop is powerful enough to run Linux as a hosting system, with FreeBSD running in a VM. This gives you the advantages of both worlds. :-) > And help resolving similar problems, that the one, > I'm having right now. This is, what interests me, thus for me this is > the most important use-case. I fully agree - (re)creating the ability to install and run FreeBSD on this specific hardware is definitely an interesting task. While I can say that "use a VM" is a solution that will usually work in all settings, having native support and a successful installation on hardware that isn't "too abnormal" would be great. There surely is a way to achieve this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 06:47:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96BB35BD1D for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B67GZ4lppz4ZHT for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.237.238]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MxUfn-1kopQy3hLl-00xvfB; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:46:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:46:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Dale Scott Cc: Patryk Cisek , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Trying to install FreeBSD 12.1 on Librem laptop Message-Id: <20200715084652.247045f1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <907846703.73107413.1594772276937.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <90d59a0b-4399-ccd7-5c6e-af6463ba43ad@holgerdanske.com> <11544df2-e8e4-d02c-ce64-9ffbf7ff792e@cisek.email> <6155f5a2-4f0a-1828-481a-e1b6090816a0@cisek.email> <907846703.73107413.1594772276937.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:brjcmlP58btIQp/sBDhuDIvKYhu4TCLFrafaY1ssq43d6696erK gXnH9vBX2GsTbtfhagvezKwffEkLtOx0AD30UMHfSlQJWWfZY89BWtz8w7WYIrOEVRJLSnh +fYnW+GPdrW8nOGeIp8AyCMM2nMQ6nh6heHt2wibhq1idxtc0pcpaldj0+6nwVsDkNLQXrW EdzwISPGalQWW2VdIPlSg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:e5Mlmkk+rsY=:BupzfTXd/d06lJyNUUVaT/ WnsEJ5kxOFbz1IRuJn804coWtsq4jRiF13UJJTguY7uWiN99UlyzvXBW++gblMfoZjGK83TTG pJF7NbycdSp9IWGtQ9FAICEVKbyZ7flaueNWIE9xDC55D5QQYoKmHRVRN75QBQpdBsTsMzunp CrMaF9jZh/Zn8zd9aol8YMmOon77MILqRERnfqWKaTpy8zeF0g2StSX1ybS/o6txjt4z2anTt QTR1CScchzg9MuH/dr8P4uyAzcSHm4t1owNIPuNXA6zngVwKgjEFvGa6Mr7dPG2tjA/Fi4ZTD vSgWr7opTLY/zJ6U/08V+OeysBFkg2GdmaRfM3kJ1mOLVS+aC2s/BWP4h1deAbFxH+31v3mFe xhR9KflP7pX5toQegAe8oHDHZr7QBJKwRsx2s1pNKVWl9Ilfqntzad9SXrj+FKMUixau2dC2n 1F+6X7Sth+HosOWbVf41oIbOsVaOf17TgGnfZYTDkyXaG4ClGKt9xIlsOWpr9hTx9j0G5eVpY 3eronf0IaEetOQx+sAaKwWsCxv8QV1+cxMHi8oxsQv2Qesw68wSnhyceypb4xnyJi6RvoLmbu 8vrijrvPq15DxkWJN8ejops0vbx/LmSxu08l1gPNJKEHVdZa81YwGI8pKkJK6hKKBNToysk3Y KgnE8b13/XOrrde1riR7lmQl6a9aZh7o6HHtQd+YMJC21m+9MtvfsbhqP16VzYj1P/UcdPBf8 6ih0YvVAvjEH4+1RxQT1Y7wZR0zTGmV5hpwQNOa6WMdAQ7+zx4+Qks0CY3TTioGK5KtfYHJ/3 IMV69K/rYbq1sGG4fCVcPJHSvQmafuaOhAuwlrO8opyBPaDRNwqJyCbNI+agE35F+VRSDpu X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B67GZ4lppz4ZHT X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.13) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.69 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.322]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.237.238:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.33)[-0.325]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.942]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:47:03 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:17:56 -0600 (MDT), Dale Scott wrote: > At the risk of offending some of my colleagues, I would suggest > if your primary goal is simply a stable desktop environment, > with a low learning curve and even lower maintenance requirements, > you may be better served by an OS which has a stated goal to > provide a superior desktop experience (e.g. Windows, OS X and > some Linux distributions). This is a point where I sadly _have_ to disagree. First of all, FreeBSD with a Gnome-2-era-like desktop like Mate or Cinnamon, accompanied with useful applications (Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, VLC etc.) makes an excellent desktop that fulfills all requirements you've listed. Furthermore, yes, Linux is more advanced in this particular space, because it has reached a point where the GUI integrates very well with the underlying OS components, something that FreeBSD hasn't achieved natively yet. It's worth mentioning that TrueOS (ex PC-BSD) did that many years ago, it was KDE-based. I don't see your statement as offending, just disagreement-worthy. :-) > While there have been (and still are) projects aimed at superior > desktop environments on FreeBSD, there are simply too few users > for such a system for the effort required to do a good job. While > it is certainly technically possible to install software on a > FreeBSD-based system to create "the best" desktop possible, it > is also possible you will spend more time configuring and > maintaining it, and less time accomplishing "real" work with > the system. It all depends on your goals though. That is my impression primarily for "Windows"-based systems: Users need to manually search and install software, tweak the UI, guess (!) and explore too many things, and in case something doesn't work, "Oops!" is the only debugging information they can provide, and they require help for many things that maybe 10 or 20 years ago were considered "simple user tasks" they could've performed on their own. Simply because there is no one-size-fits-all eggl-laying wool- milk-sow, no matter what desktop solution or OS you mention, there will always be users who cannot work with what is presented to them out of the box. The ability to change things (!) and the discoverability and easyness of how this happens is the important point. This is where Linux desktops definitely are the best ones, and it doesn't matter if you mention a Gnome 3 based Ubuntu or a Xfce/Lxde/KDE-based distribution. > I develop and host web-based applications and services on FreeBSD, > but the servers are headless and my interaction with them (other > than the web apps) is a terminal window and command shell. My > "daily drivers" are either Windows or Linux Mint. Maybe if I was > a sysadmin or site reliability engineer using FreeBSD, or if I > was developing software to run specifically on FreeBSD, and if > I interacted less with business people and more with hardcore > IS/IT people, then I might switch my desktop environment to > FreeBSD and benefit from consolidated experiences and knowledge. My personal systems running FreeBSD primarily use WindowMaker (no desktop environment, just a window manager), or IceWM + wbar. My parents are using FreeBSD for many years now without problems, using the Mate desktop (after the end of Gnome 2). Everything here_just works_, I cannot say anything better; no problems, no questions, all hardware is supported, everything just jumped into its place, and there is no problem with "too steep learning curve" or "I don't know how to do this." Actually, they did not have to "learn FreeBSD" at all. Maybe I am just a very strange person: I've been using FreeBSD as a desktop system since version 4.0, with environments like KDE, Gnome 2, XFCE and Xfce (capitalization indicates version), Mate, Cinnamon, and I never ran into problems people tend to attribute to FreeBSD (as the underlying operating system), so definitely don't take my very individual statements as "truth for everyone and everything". :-) THat being said, the choice of the right tool, as always, just depends on the goal you want to achieve. FreeBSD _might_ be such a tool, but it depends. As always. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 09:07:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A3C35E8BD for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hmurray@megapathdsl.net) Received: from ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net [64.139.1.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6BP32Jspz481K for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hmurray@megapathdsl.net) Received: from shuksan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5204F40605C; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Hal Murray From: Hal Murray Subject: clang versions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:07:50 -0700 Message-Id: <20200715090750.5204F40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6BP32Jspz481K X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hmurray@megapathdsl.net has no SPF policy when checking 64.139.1.69) smtp.mailfrom=hmurray@megapathdsl.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[megapathdsl.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.12)[0.123]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.080]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.57)[0.569]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:4565, ipnet:64.139.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:07:52 -0000 I've got an 11.4 system with clang 10.0.0 I've got several 12.1-RELEASE-p6 systems with clang 8.0.1 I'd expect the newer releases to have newer (or at least the same) versions of clang. Yet the full version info says: FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on LLVM 8.0.1) Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.1 Thread model: posix InstalledDir: /usr/bin The Target line makes me think this is what was intended. Can somebody confirm that this apparent reversal of the version numbers is expected? If not, how do I fix it? (I may have fatfingered something when driving freebsd-update.) If this is expected, is there a good story? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 09:16:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49EF35F089 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yasu@utahime.org) Received: from gate.utahime.jp (gate.utahime.jp [183.180.29.210]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6BZc63l6z4FGS for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yasu@utahime.org) Received: from eastasia.home.utahime.org (eastasia.home.utahime.org [192.168.174.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by gate.utahime.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC3512E2C5 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:15:59 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=utahime.org; s=maybe2019112701; t=1594804559; bh=woy7lISoBeb4w/VGSdwH3HAzUfQuahynSvBEZ/QrhuE=; h=Date:To:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:References; b=d81sTqVIInAvd1jz8O7FVyXkAnBUtAh8eKZo6/IvWJV4hgMsqg7sMIMaBoTefbIBf rWFmhkQOB0Q6nTr2uwrJvu+aC7AAkn20Si5SQgJ5ZwVkYaqrWkjE+nQ9Up3lgbCECX UL8/DlGnTDgC1xgd1Qymj1kg9ne6jcHKFZDciHBZDkYBhKsY748kbVXK9lpHwMtIjQ rUGWPFnbaKRmdVOO9BmBph+spfHoXjA67rQ5Fp7fafm13bzE1xnNX57TZCJRwOc3ER GKmV7gpkQhhS9UbP68OdZdVo1LGLLSc5WVOCVYxMaee6mB4OgqiWUo2jQqI5+2lif9 +TsJYH4dxGm/A== Received: from localhost (rolling.home.utahime.org [192.168.174.11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by eastasia.home.utahime.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98B74461F3; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:15:57 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at eastasia.home.utahime.org Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:15:22 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20200715.181522.1967527199787387239.yasu@utahime.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clang versions From: Yasuhiro KIMURA In-Reply-To: <20200715090750.5204F40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> References: <20200715090750.5204F40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6BZc63l6z4FGS X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=utahime.org header.s=maybe2019112701 header.b=d81sTqVI; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yasu@utahime.org designates 183.180.29.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yasu@utahime.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[utahime.org:s=maybe2019112701]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.057]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.019]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utahime.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:spf-authorized.utahime.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[utahime.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.372]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2519, ipnet:183.180.0.0/16, country:JP]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:16:10 -0000 From: Hal Murray Subject: clang versions Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 02:07:50 -0700 > > I've got an 11.4 system with clang 10.0.0 > I've got several 12.1-RELEASE-p6 systems with clang 8.0.1 > > I'd expect the newer releases to have newer (or at least the same) versions of > clang. > > Yet the full version info says: > > FreeBSD clang version 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581) (based on LLVM 8.0.1) > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.1 > Thread model: posix > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > > The Target line makes me think this is what was intended. > > Can somebody confirm that this apparent reversal of the version numbers is expected? If not, how do I fix it? (I may have fatfingered something when driving freebsd-update.) > > If this is expected, is there a good story? It is because 11.4 is released later than 12.1. See https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ for more information. --- Yasuhiro KIMURA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 09:27:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB69C35F613 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:27:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6Br647btz4NNF for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) X-Originating-IP: 167.179.139.56 Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (Authenticated sender: ozzmosis@ozzmosis.com) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25EBB40011; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4166972DF4; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:27:43 +1000 (AEST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:27:43 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: Hal Murray Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: clang versions Message-ID: <20200715092743.ga7g6nnnew7pi6uv@ozzmosis.com> References: <20200715090750.5204F40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200715090750.5204F40605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20200626 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6Br647btz4NNF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@ozzmosis.com designates 217.70.183.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@ozzmosis.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.03 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[217.70.183.194:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.70.183.192/28]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ozzmosis.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.020]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.567]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.040]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29169, ipnet:217.70.176.0/20, country:FR]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[217.70.183.194:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:27:52 -0000 On 2020-07-15 02:07:50, Hal Murray (hmurray@megapathdsl.net) wrote: > I've got an 11.4 system with clang 10.0.0 > I've got several 12.1-RELEASE-p6 systems with clang 8.0.1 > > I'd expect the newer releases to have newer (or at least the same) versions of > clang. A quirk of the FreeBSD release schedule means that 11.4 (June 2020) is newer than 12.1 (November 2019). Evidently clang 9.0 came and went pretty quickly. I suspect clang 10.0 will be released with FreeBSD 12.2, expected in October 2020. Though in the meantime you can install clang 10.0 from Ports: pkg install llvm10 Then use /usr/local/bin/clang10 instead of /usr/bin/clang. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 10:38:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858533622E1 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6DQ34hxWz4Hgb for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1594809532; x=1597401532; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=K1o5MdeJG3QzGny+AKq42gs51tWzxKWd2EqKWMJzzRI=; b=Pfylli5GA9c9Q/HWq+apQH2H/UbDpZtxrK7I5oTfCkZjbWXf8dUR5iq1QDW3upxl77PZlnMm+N5i2bXnb1NBEosICk9bRgDjIcKBtHbCaP5WLN3vDOgKcj2CQsjJ/pr9MmSGkYV/T4ZF6op1gQj9uTsXEwghrfCgOps0haco6mg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDQxOWIxZGIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:38:49 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Jul 2020 06:38:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jveoJ-0009ID-E8; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:38:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:38:47 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Petite Cloud, CBSD, Intellij Message-Id: <20200715113847.843acebd8766325545a5d18e@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <8fcd60d7-1de1-82dc-d840-2555663ac153@gmail.com> <20200714070831.f01a144e1dc808ebea421afe@sohara.org> <20200714104735.ceae71903e2f61bf401655ea@sohara.org> <8f96ee4e-2922-7850-6839-1c50a62094fe@gmail.com> <20200714153626.62ade8ec.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200714151237.GA28670@mithril> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6DQ34hxWz4Hgb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Pfylli5G; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.820]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c2000419b1db.7b1102058fc724365b2d69b2e1489822@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:38:52 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:27:52 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The only thing worse > then this when keeping with the unconditional arbitrary instruction > pointer changing theme (aka "goto considered harmful") is a hypothetical > construct I have joked about I call "dynamic camefrom". Camefrom says > to go back to the last location that executed a goto (think of it as an Hmmm the comefrom I know simply says grab control when it passes the specified location whatever is there. > unstructured Take a good look at what passes for control flow in XSLT, try to understand the open source XSLT for transforming docbook-xsl into XSL-FO. Make changes and see if they do what you expected. Let me know when your ears start to steam and you feel your sanity slipping. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 11:00:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10D6362B04 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6DvJ0K61z4XXv for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1594810844; x=1597402844; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=/Yib810bJW0pmS4eM7z2RTNvDVLtElh+ONhtPvlvhkU=; b=YzSmlCfDgbSzfI10sUPskMZWeyt8SJJEK/ObyhWI/2IWoSGdchJVEuxnk7xnd8uNZIDNBsyxFCLWSbcQL8cqrCfhNA2qMwj7EAuON+XrpXj3wp52mWk7QbMwBVtVKm952n6t2w8j2bPNM+Tdd6+4H3uhtTn+OVf2T9YUg+vaor4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDQxYmI4NjEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.h.in.socketlabs.com (r2.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:00:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 15 Jul 2020 07:00:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jvf9P-0009MG-VF; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:00:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:00:35 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Martin Glazer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd running on used Rack server Message-Id: <20200715120035.f59595629154f16b4c7d5a8b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6DvJ0K61z4XXv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=YzSmlCfD; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.002]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.839]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200041bb861.e283510ea8717aada3233287db598785@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:00:44 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:19:38 -0700 Martin Glazer wrote: > Hello > Just curious what used Rack server would you recommend? I like the Intel > Xeon CPU I have a Supermicro chassis with dual E5620s and an eight bay 3.5" SAS cage that's given me no trouble for the last two years, with 24GB of ECC RAM and no drives it cost me £200 on eBay a couple of years ago. A full set of 2TB 3.5" SAS drives cost about the same and have also given no trouble. There's *way* too much CPU power for my needs even with the drives encrypted but with half the cores turned off and the clock throttled to minimum it runs reasonably quietly and keeps up with the load handily. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 13:34:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0A836628A for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:34:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from dd13304.kasserver.com (dd13304.kasserver.com [85.13.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6JJz0MN8z3c2Z for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [185.245.84.124]) by dd13304.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46CAE5E20F33 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:34:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:32:52 +0200 From: Christian Baer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Backup before reinstall Message-ID: <20200715153213.5961e091@uni-dortmund.de> User-Agent: Claws Mail 3.17.5 [GTK+ 2.24.32; FreeBSD (aarch64)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6JJz0MN8z3c2Z X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de does not designate 85.13.135.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.62 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.406]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.07)[0.073]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.24)[0.243]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.135.53:from]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[uni-dortmund.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.135.0/24, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:34:45 -0000 Greetings Programs! :-) One of my boxes is still running FreeBSD 10. Everything is updated to include the latest patches, but the time has come to move on. :-) Trying an update over multiple major releases is almost guaranteed to break the system - even if it's done in steps - so I have decided to reinstall everything. This will also get rid of some redundant stuff I have installed. This machine is used as a server and I haven't installed X at all. What I do utilize heavily is Geli and ZFS (als RAIDZ2). I don't mind reconfiguring a few things on foot after the reinstall. But I really want to be able to access my encrypted RAIDZ again. :-) The system boots from a 128GB SSD. This holds all the partitions for /, /usr /var and swap. Nothing on the SSD is encrypted, because I want the system to be able to boot without any "help". This is the only physical device that will get erased during the reinstall. The raidz has it's own mountpoint (under /zfs) and contains three subvolumes, which are mounted in different places (one of them is /home). The raidz spans seven HDDs, which are all encrypted with geli. To be clear: The drives were encrypted first and the raidz spans the encrypted (.eli) devices. The setup isn't really too complicated. What I don't know is where FreeBSD stored the information about what belongs to the raidz etc. Is there something special I need to backup to be sure all of this is reusable again? I could of course backup the whole SSD. But there is a lot of junk there I won't need again (most of the data probably), so if I can, I would try to only backup the useful stuff. I would appriciate any advice! Cheers! Chris P.S. Before anyone tells me that backups are important: I have backups, but only of the data on the raidz. This is what I considered to be important, not so much the system. So if this goes wrong, I could restore everything, but that would take much longer than I'd care to sit in front of the computer. :-P From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 13:48:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE34E366AAE for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6Jck27s2z49YQ for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from x1 (94.105.105.16.dyn.edpnet.net [94.105.105.16]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABF601D4FC25 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:48:12 +0200 From: Julien Cigar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mailman Message-ID: <20200715134812.kqf3ph6a5d2j5b2b@x1> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6Jck27s2z49YQ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be designates 193.191.208.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.901]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.49)[-0.490]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.131]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[perdition.city]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[julien@perdition.city,SRS0=8hxs=A2=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:48:24 -0000 Hello, We are currently using Mailman (2.1.x) to handle our newsletters/mailing lists at work, but recently people would like to ask the current members of our mailing lists on the "topics" that interest them, as well as the newcomers, and then, once an email/newsletter has to be sent, be able to select only the interested subscribers (based on topics). 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Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:04:44 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Subject: zfs compression of a volume Message-ID: <20200715140444.GA72748@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6K0C28Mhz4X2S X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=YMv891Vs; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=H5BegERW; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.23 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v12sm777744qtj.32.2020.07.14.16.46.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5xwv0Yk6z1JFc for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:46:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:46:00 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: Problem with unbound resolving host Message-ID: <20200714194600.0fb4ed86@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <44lfjmawcs.fsf@Be-Well.Ilk.Org> References: <20200713102451.017682d2@scorpio.seibercom.net> <44lfjmawcs.fsf@Be-Well.Ilk.Org> Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/3qlq0/RixkbCwKZhivVm6Mw"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6QDL70kCz3SK8 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Rhc0uXiX; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::744 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.44 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.023]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.937]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::744:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:01:11 -0000 --Sig_/3qlq0/RixkbCwKZhivVm6Mw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400, Lowell Gilbert stated: >> FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p1 >> >> I have: local_unbound_enable=3D"YES" in my /etc/rc.conf file. The >> problem is with some utility programs like "curl" or "wget" >> >> When using either program to assess "https://www.spamhaus.org" a >> failure message is emitted similar to the following: >> >> curl https://www.spamhaus.org >> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: www.spamhaus.org >> >> The "nameserver" is set to "127.0.0.1" when that occurs. If I modify >> it as shown below to "192.168.1.1" everything works fine. >> >> nameserver 192.168.1.1 >> options edns0 =20 > >I'm sure that is in resolv.conf, but you should mention things like >that. > >I'm also assuming that the machine you're trying this on actually has >the address 192.168.1.1. Otherwise, um, yes, that's what should happen. > >Check if you're specifying "interface:" in your unbound.conf file. If >you do, you want to include 127.0.0.1 in the set you specify. However, >unless you have a good reason, don't override it at all. > >Be well. The router's address is "192.168.1.1". The machine's address is "192.168.1.101". After every reboot, the address in the resolv.conf file is reset to 127.0.0.1, which usually works, but not always. This problem only started after updating from FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p0 to "p1". I have no idea what that could have done though. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/3qlq0/RixkbCwKZhivVm6Mw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl8OQ7kACgkQOHMGOIfe xWQWOAgAlZggq/on5YTpqge6G2JFi9BqTTRpBXiNIiGjivQXOnuQz5ObrusTijX7 S5y4cBYDLlVJXV6uL3oC3km+fRfCMnldNs4oD6OaoHs4LN9dgilePi3EkPNaWAuh +ZWTqcZ7zbnGVLnPRSV/uwcr8u2R3OzmOMk40lhWkKtsMBOb1ug7i/jg7A9qb60i 16paZys0tVGP9kSNbauuP7DOxwxjmeMulFtoJPWoPqMiYUpzbfkQ01xa65jQC0eb awQulWY5aMVJTPHkKbXwDyUWSZoiMdebFKetV4dsXKsv6nfx860uFHoRhBHKpcLO yEHAcA8RhVuawFPTyn2C68ftu86rag== =QNhL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/3qlq0/RixkbCwKZhivVm6Mw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 19:36:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3036DE48 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:36:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6SLW13B2z4v0t for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B6SLN2W1Cz2fjW2; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: Problem with unbound resolving host Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:36:28 -0700 References: <20200713102451.017682d2@scorpio.seibercom.net> <44lfjmawcs.fsf@Be-Well.Ilk.Org> <20200714194600.0fb4ed86@scorpio.seibercom.net> To: User Questions , Jerry In-Reply-To: <20200714194600.0fb4ed86@scorpio.seibercom.net> Message-Id: <35DC599D-F342-4694-BA4D-8ED54137F27D@mail.sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6SLW13B2z4v0t X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.38 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.017]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.919]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.047]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org, SRS0=5ToD=A2=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 19:36:39 -0000 > On 14 July 2020, at 16:46, Jerry wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400, Lowell Gilbert stated: >>> FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p1 >>>=20 >>> I have: local_unbound_enable=3D"YES" in my /etc/rc.conf file. The >>> problem is with some utility programs like "curl" or "wget" >>>=20 >>> When using either program to assess "https://www.spamhaus.org" a >>> failure message is emitted similar to the following: >>>=20 >>> curl https://www.spamhaus.org >>> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: www.spamhaus.org >>>=20 >>> The "nameserver" is set to "127.0.0.1" when that occurs. If I modify >>> it as shown below to "192.168.1.1" everything works fine. >>>=20 >>> nameserver 192.168.1.1 >>> options edns0 =20 >>=20 >> I'm sure that is in resolv.conf, but you should mention things like >> that. >>=20 >> I'm also assuming that the machine you're trying this on actually has >> the address 192.168.1.1. Otherwise, um, yes, that's what should = happen. >>=20 >> Check if you're specifying "interface:" in your unbound.conf file. If >> you do, you want to include 127.0.0.1 in the set you specify. = However, >> unless you have a good reason, don't override it at all. >>=20 >> Be well. >=20 > The router's address is "192.168.1.1". The machine's address is > "192.168.1.101". After every reboot, the address in the resolv.conf > file is reset to 127.0.0.1, which usually works, but not always. >=20 > This problem only started after updating from FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p0 > to "p1". I have no idea what that could have done though. I had the same problem a year or so ago. It was consistent on all = devices, although the problem domains tended to be different on each = device. I thought it was my provider's DNS and called them. They sent = out a tech who had just corrected a similar problem earlier that day. = He replaced my modem/router and the problem went away. In my situation, = resolving the problem domains using the modem/router's internal client = worked fine. Using my clients didn't. Using 8.8.8.8 worked = consistently from all. -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 20:15:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC50F36E9E0 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6TCc6Sn5z4XKj for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:15:32 -0700 Subject: Re: zfs compression of a volume To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200715140444.GA72748@bastion.zyxst.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <332e968f-a0d6-91ea-e00d-01b36f2c1922@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 13:15:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200715140444.GA72748@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6TCc6Sn5z4XKj X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.86 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.62)[0.624]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.67)[0.667]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.67)[0.673]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:15:42 -0000 On 2020-07-15 07:04, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > If a zfs-backed bhyve instance is created, and compression is not set, > if the > instance is turned off, then compression set on the host for the volume > (and > then the bhyve instance is started), is the instance compressed in its > entirety at that time, or just data subsequently added to it? > > thanks, AIUI only added data will be compressed. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 15 23:20:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5D33729E6 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6YKK4vvqz4dJQ for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:20:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Backup before reinstall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200715153213.5961e091@uni-dortmund.de> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <9e4e6120-8400-0f77-3c21-f48349fecdbc@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:20:43 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200715153213.5961e091@uni-dortmund.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6YKK4vvqz4dJQ X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.32 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.77)[0.773]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.016]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.66)[0.665]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:20:55 -0000 On 2020-07-15 06:32, Christian Baer wrote: > Greetings Programs! :-) > > One of my boxes is still running FreeBSD 10. Everything is updated to > include the latest patches, but the time has come to move on. :-) > > Trying an update over multiple major releases is almost guaranteed to > break the system - even if it's done in steps - so I have decided to > reinstall everything. This will also get rid of some redundant stuff I > have installed. > > This machine is used as a server and I haven't installed X at all. What > I do utilize heavily is Geli and ZFS (als RAIDZ2). > > I don't mind reconfiguring a few things on foot after the reinstall. > But I really want to be able to access my encrypted RAIDZ again. :-) > > The system boots from a 128GB SSD. This holds all the partitions for /, > /usr /var and swap. Nothing on the SSD is encrypted, because I want the > system to be able to boot without any "help". This is the only physical > device that will get erased during the reinstall. > > > The raidz has it's own mountpoint (under /zfs) and contains three > subvolumes, which are mounted in different places (one of them is > /home). The raidz spans seven HDDs, which are all encrypted with geli. > To be clear: The drives were encrypted first and the raidz spans the > encrypted (.eli) devices. > > The setup isn't really too complicated. What I don't know is where > FreeBSD stored the information about what belongs to the raidz etc. Is > there something special I need to backup to be sure all of this is > reusable again? > > I could of course backup the whole SSD. But there is a lot of junk > there I won't need again (most of the data probably), so if I can, I > would try to only backup the useful stuff. > > I would appriciate any advice! > > Cheers! > Chris > > P.S. Before anyone tells me that backups are important: I have backups, > but only of the data on the raidz. This is what I considered to be > important, not so much the system. So if this goes wrong, I could > restore everything, but that would take much longer than I'd care to > sit in front of the computer. :-P I have a SOHO LAN with a FreeBSD server (12.1-RELEASE, ZFS, jails, Samba, and CVS) and Linux, Windows, macOS, and iOS clients. I put my system images on separate devices (2.5" SATA SSD). I put my data, backups, archives, and images on other devices (3.5" SATA HDD, optical media). I install mobile racks in my desktops and servers. I have a stack of SSD's with one OS on each. I strive to configure my systems so that I can mix and match system drives, data drives, and chassis as required. I backup my system images in multiple ways (deliberate overkill): 1. I create a CVS project for every system: a. Plain text administrator log. b. Any created or modified system configuration files (e.g. /etc/*). c. Other files as required. 2. I use ZFS boot and root, and install with copies=2. 3. I use zfs-auto-snapshot for boot and root. 4. I take raw images with dd(1) as required and periodically. 5. I do a daily rsync(1) of the contents of the root file system to a "backup" ZFS filesystem (which also has zfs-auto-snapshot). (ZFS replication would be faster, but rsync might stop a ZFS send and/or receive bug.) For OS major upgrades, I prefer to do a fresh install on another computer, and then migrate data and services. But, this requires twice the hardware. Thus, I have spare computers (and lots of parts). For an in-place migration on a single computer, I remove the old system drive, disconnect data the drives, insert a blank system drive, install, update the OS, connect the data drives, check out the old configuration files to an alternate location, migrate settings by hand, and bring services up one by one. Next steps include taking an image of the new system drive and adjusting backup/ archive processes. AIUI ZFS metadata is stored inside the ZFS virtual devices. So, unless you are doing things with /etc/fstab or otherwise, I have found that ZFS "just works" whenever I rearrange ZFS devices. If you use ZFS on boot and root via the FreeBSD installer, one problem I have not solved is that the pool with the boot filesystem is named "bootpool" on every FreeBSD system. I have not attempted to change the pool name, because I assume this will break the boot process. But if I insert two drives with two bootpool's into the same system, strange things happen. If anyone has a solution or work-around, please advise. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 08:07:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB8359FB8 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6n123HNwz4Cw4 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947CF1064D; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:07:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Problem with unbound resolving host To: User Questions , Jerry References: <20200713102451.017682d2@scorpio.seibercom.net> <44lfjmawcs.fsf@Be-Well.Ilk.Org> <20200714194600.0fb4ed86@scorpio.seibercom.net> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:07:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200714194600.0fb4ed86@scorpio.seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6n123HNwz4Cw4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.024]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.016]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.408]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 08:07:35 -0000 On 15/07/2020 00:46, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:34:59 -0400, Lowell Gilbert stated: >>> FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p1 >>> >>> I have: local_unbound_enable="YES" in my /etc/rc.conf file. The >>> problem is with some utility programs like "curl" or "wget" >>> >>> When using either program to assess "https://www.spamhaus.org" a >>> failure message is emitted similar to the following: >>> >>> curl https://www.spamhaus.org >>> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: www.spamhaus.org >>> >>> The "nameserver" is set to "127.0.0.1" when that occurs. If I modify >>> it as shown below to "192.168.1.1" everything works fine. >>> >>> nameserver 192.168.1.1 >>> options edns0 >> >> I'm sure that is in resolv.conf, but you should mention things like >> that. >> >> I'm also assuming that the machine you're trying this on actually has >> the address 192.168.1.1. Otherwise, um, yes, that's what should happen. >> >> Check if you're specifying "interface:" in your unbound.conf file. If >> you do, you want to include 127.0.0.1 in the set you specify. However, >> unless you have a good reason, don't override it at all. >> >> Be well. > > The router's address is "192.168.1.1". The machine's address is > "192.168.1.101". After every reboot, the address in the resolv.conf > file is reset to 127.0.0.1, which usually works, but not always. If /etc/resolv.conf is being reset every time you reboot, it sounds like resolvconf(8) is running. What's in /etc/resolvconf.conf? > This problem only started after updating from FreeBSD 11.4-RELEASE-p0 > to "p1". I have no idea what that could have done though. > -- Fat Earther: One who believes the world is round but has put on too much weight round the middle. 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I was thinking of one of = the newer smarter methods like brotli. 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If so what would the ifconfig command look like. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 14:30:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994DB3636E8 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:30:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (mail.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B6xVZ3slWz4bFp for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mips.inka.de (news@[127.0.0.1]) by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.5) id 1jw4th-003CFx-KU; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:30:05 +0200 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 06GETD8r073119 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:29:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 06GETDVw073118 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:29:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: can ssh use other compression? 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The protocol can accommodate other compression algorithms, but OpenSSH does not support any. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 15:35:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E760B365504 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:35:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from mail.vex.net (mail.vex.net [IPv6:2605:2600:1001::44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6yyC19Kgz3Rd6 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from dilbert.druid.net (unknown [216.105.80.240]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darcy) by mail.vex.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C28C86CE1 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: D'Arcy Cain Subject: Running XDM remotely Autocrypt: addr=darcy@druid.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXu32OxYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAD839OEQVMqCs45KVwLKg4srvl51WsVhMpTGOd9z3Ym20 HUQnQXJjeSBDYWluIDxkYXJjeUBkcnVpZC5uZXQ+iJYEExYIAD4WIQSQJTNYM0vv3aTmBCs/ 5DDweYZnXQUCXu32OwIbAwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRA/5DDw eYZnXWAxAP9cDL1j4koUFRBNQyC4iMp/cx5KnozmtsFtiTrWdZBrIwD6A2rLFx60tJryd/qp SZpXk7UPDLH/PY1hstjx9WUbXQi4OARe7fY7EgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdAbK0SOaTRrkI2QAWz rCz29D2RDOgGTvEbDpyWiyA5RhQDAQgHiH4EGBYIACYWIQSQJTNYM0vv3aTmBCs/5DDweYZn XQUCXu32OwIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRA/5DDweYZnXaNOAQDC77ymNjoMZQVgDCcmgZEk6IZxn45k nyW17OYCpRctvgD9Fg3aocAbHK7V9AhmSbDPxLNQygQUPjjU7Cyn97b1cQs= Message-ID: <5ce65bd7-3645-beb5-dd1b-96bc6bdf81b7@druid.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:35:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RqBXdYVY0jUJ3gMknsqjgwCpm9YmgWcho" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B6yyC19Kgz3Rd6 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darcy@druid.net has no SPF policy when checking 2605:2600:1001::44) smtp.mailfrom=darcy@druid.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.01)[-0.012]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.50)[-0.497]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[druid.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.268]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19842, ipnet:2605:2600::/32, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:35:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --RqBXdYVY0jUJ3gMknsqjgwCpm9YmgWcho Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="mrMjgphC1IBAlQGD02LZUERWVP6UYfRJk" --mrMjgphC1IBAlQGD02LZUERWVP6UYfRJk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that I have followed all of the instructions but it still isn't working. I commented out "DisplayManager.requestPort: 0" in xdm-conf= ig and added "CHOOSER BROADCAST" to Xaccess. After restarting xdm I expecte= d to see the system listening on port 177 but it isn't. Is there another s= tep that I am missing? Once I do have it working I also need to access it through a NAT gateway.= Do I just have to redirect port 177 for TCP and UDP or are there other po= rts that need to be forwarded? Also, once I have this running, what kind of thin clients are available? = Is there anything that can run on Windows or do I need to create a FreeBSD o= r Linux thin client? Thanks. --=20 D'Arcy J.M. Cain | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner. IM: darcy@VybeNetworks.com, VoIP: sip:darcy@druid.net Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient". 2. 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Message-ID: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:19:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B75G34hCcz42dw X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=J3MmT/Jb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.63 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.022]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.971]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.36)[0.360]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:19:56 -0000 The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 boot loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows boot loader'. The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my old boot files are gone. It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on this unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 20:28:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D085336CB76 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B75SH6Bvkz43Qh for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id z13so8467150wrw.5 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dn0nfY1CkTuqPbUut5SxcRWL/e8rKhvDOQolNFYBmJQ=; b=biGzTir00TAcx0uiTzttCFLedjbDF0UdvJVgrvnfbf4WKvwlPONqD5QEaIBJllQ+n+ 56zn4ghwJ8EFqrxOVBUeRsG05Nc16EWA5Bh/wxOid0M1Ax3tS1CEi8adGXrXBsM240+q d1ATS9bhQUUPueHhin4jceZKm4GYxFl86bJImjSINozCc+bN+GaXGTfStfsItypFXAeM 6fTBy9SlMUuW60WjtBWXOI6NBeResx2hZA0cVglA0bDFEfI8vggXwUOd4wDSGeq5d3iC EWq3CBGFkKYyp1wxdLXa9oXNdGveAZgqasK/AzFUaPT5CW+GeyZlLWE8hbLkbwBXpGmx 1yhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dn0nfY1CkTuqPbUut5SxcRWL/e8rKhvDOQolNFYBmJQ=; b=XBLBaXLjFw3gr5kMSLP65Dx5TewE/YQCzdlAk1+xLEFQ4Rkhtr8CNdzYVL7obszWNM ZlLqCOpwGTfsMEXLgGF5eS270I5dfya+Or/ze1JD3JUzWxyegW0pt4icCVpIv3d0qHeP ZeV8mWWtZa67lWpytOJi23silkQEgTExx39q+LwAWg3/Xbae0fQL0osgRnXfpwFqgAiO DmhBlMFgFIs8dCPX+FPbq8plZcyNvKB66AHHzH1puhhHOX27QvR92OR+mqn0TYkjEOoF FPDer7yHFJoXdUf1S+TMbRdph86VD+3Ilkr47mNZzdFj24RqirEi+rBAvHlxB9SxOe9H Yxeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531nG0E00WC/U7DIEqG5C4y7juPy+9tXL3YClPrSkVmWHzxp4217 YkNmV0qM6ul0OAPOdeUVuf319RaWGStKekse0Mms4w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxhKZEAuaLpkFcLxWABYeadAeKDhJ/kAF6f6elj2VRdKi2knZsS+7O4ifB+aCALz6WWtIRDWcnB9H/gmc9nai0= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5647:: with SMTP id j7mr6402347wrw.242.1594931326078; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:28:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! To: Don Wilde Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B75SH6Bvkz43Qh X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=biGzTir0; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.56)[-0.561]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.274]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.664]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42c:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:28:48 -0000 czw., 16 lip 2020, 22:20 u=C5=BCytkownik Don Wilde napisa=C5=82: > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. > I did that long time ago :-) I have one dedicated laptop if I am really forced to use M$ crap but by all means necessary I avoid it for more than 15 years :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 21:28:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D51F36E6C4; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B76n83H54z47Rg; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.139.245]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41D864E720; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:28:22 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:28:20 -0500 Cc: Don Wilde , FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D1E28F3-ADCF-4CF1-BA2A-B071887A6E4E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B76n83H54z47Rg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.95 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.245:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.19)[0.194]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.119]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.28)[0.275]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:28:29 -0000 > On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >=20 > czw., 16 lip 2020, 22:20 u=C5=BCytkownik Don Wilde napisa=C5=82: >=20 >> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those = [deleted]s >> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase = every >> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>=20 >=20 > I did that long time ago :-) I have one dedicated laptop if I am = really > forced to use M$ crap but by all means necessary I avoid it for more = than > 15 years :-) >=20 Microsoft does not admit that other systems exist. So, if I have to have = multi boot system, usually laptop, as many sysadmins do, I install MS = Widows first (often it is even not installation, but bringing up to the = drive =E2=80=9Cimage=E2=80=9D machine vendor gives for = =E2=80=9Creinstallation=E2=80=9D). If for whatever reason MS windows is = installed not the first, I just restore boot of another system (say by = booting it from live DVD) after Windows installation. My current PC = laptop is triple boot: UbuntuEbonite linux (my apologies it is not = CentOS), FreeBSD, and, of course MS Windows ;-) Valeri > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 16 23:47:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E56370FA3; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com (mail-pf1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B79s46t18z4Fn4; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id 207so4475498pfu.3; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=FMhXYmo4fAvu3bPsh8zGvi0fCScbIEtGxQwBdvIuygM=; b=VMFpbKHgEF2d7+nlkpQr6Kc//l2rcsw8XJH1B4W/nMlh3c2QUSrWb6qcJa4bx0DQXy BW684W4g+bunhOG7LDpePAw5J/XGIAv9qHPFYIm5Tbpyn+t+rXzSxMPIwFKRfBqjL9tE FJ1yCW2ImOZbROzUCK8wMFS0nLkDYtMrs7d6AgxuAVPw1k4RTLDua9liT6fu//vqka13 jJ7f/LxqiiWFGbdPW29wC7IdSvW8U/SBh8nenD1ocwPCtErYiBoynWr/fSv0enwvLbjw HWNIvMttR8EyDDAkb7sdxIae6NL85z3wnrN9rXy3xY42eCbJn9/fsdVrYFtTT6wluwLR qxQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=FMhXYmo4fAvu3bPsh8zGvi0fCScbIEtGxQwBdvIuygM=; b=hTVbnhxew1SoonhTwRqe5pkfhtXR17OAKCrLqPgGQizuZgtSukR7siwbvh7BrjCfOX tX1HMGCgeb++OJkaN2Qc4s9Jqi/QzoKhT4vxC8q+t7abYwRykhYNeDhrfKv+qHZp7Cbz fvO+pDGx9j9TZBZRieRx5td+EqnoErE1wQxLDXWTXP6MxAhPe0w7iWiphiuhSs0Iwx4g X9D5MBzihGgLh+ux3c5X1SzX4GLaSlR3btaJYzhN6OKrxbsIa628cWuCDYe08+bM2kPb u/Y2+eHYhwwtb0WuTTg5qB3uAY+EdCtGeJWzlAuoIBMkru0h0X/K3hbjLWApWfGC6sgB fFWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ljfte2Am2+4WWN5fGqL8BV22ihq76JxATBCEgV2Jm9GuGqyI1 Lo8UP/3iTJ2d/31Z0UMjwSYhBr+c4F0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz7BrPZC6norf9l0i+vR9PtNVWU67ZLZYHdeZOkAH+ifURrBQup2n7OZb2syOZ7VQZTOHd/Ig== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:98c6:: with SMTP id e6mr5748023pfm.17.1594943222655; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (71-223-3-53.phnx.qwest.net. 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To: Alan Somers Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:47:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B79s46t18z4Fn4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VMFpbKHg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.609]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.924]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.957]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:47:05 -0000 On 7/16/20 1:28 PM, Alan Somers wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:20 PM Don Wilde > wrote: > > The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS > GRUB2 boot > loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows > boot loader'. > > The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my > old boot files are gone. > > It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on > this > unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. > > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those > [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase > every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system      * > * of systems including humans?                     * > **************************************************** > > > Edge?  I thought that was a browser.  What does it have to do with > boot loaders? > -Alan It is. They over-wrote my boot loader with a special package touting their upgrade and its features. AUTOEXEC.bat is no longer sufficient for them! The only way to get out of it was to reboot to a different disk. By installing a new copy of Ubuntu from DVD on a portion of that drive, I was able to get to the rest of my disk through its GRUB2 (which had been trashed by MS). I sent a really pointed message to MS "Senior Technical Advisors" but nobody (of more than a dozen who were on-line and saw it) responded. I hope nobody commits seppuku, but I'll bet there will be some resignations. 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To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <8D1E28F3-ADCF-4CF1-BA2A-B071887A6E4E@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <60edae09-428d-0048-1c7d-9e96a60c44e6@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:00:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8D1E28F3-ADCF-4CF1-BA2A-B071887A6E4E@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7B8W65mZz4H0K X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Bx+e0IX+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1044 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.609]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.952]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.976]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1044:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:00:29 -0000 On 7/16/20 2:28 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> On Jul 16, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> >> czw., 16 lip 2020, 22:20 użytkownik Don Wilde napisał: >> >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s >>> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every >>> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>> >> I did that long time ago :-) I have one dedicated laptop if I am really >> forced to use M$ crap but by all means necessary I avoid it for more than >> 15 years :-) >> > Microsoft does not admit that other systems exist. So, if I have to have multi boot system, usually laptop, as many sysadmins do, I install MS Widows first (often it is even not installation, but bringing up to the drive “image” machine vendor gives for “reinstallation”). If for whatever reason MS windows is installed not the first, I just restore boot of another system (say by booting it from live DVD) after Windows installation. My current PC laptop is triple boot: UbuntuEbonite linux (my apologies it is not CentOS), FreeBSD, and, of course MS Windows ;-) > > Valeri Actually, Doze WAS the first on that system, straight from Dell. I never had this issue before, even with the 7 - 10 upgrade, despite adding Ubuntu 18 to it many years ago. I was playing with GRUB Customizer the other day to add another drive dedicated to FreeBSD, and that may have installed my loader in the location MS trashed. I no longer need any program on Windows. I have gotten everything, even my payware model train programs with OpenGL, to work on Wine. 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To: Alan Somers Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:20:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7BbL2p74z4J8H X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=W5q893ri; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.553]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.924]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.956]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:20:15 -0000 On 7/16/20 4:55 PM, Alan Somers wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:47 PM Don Wilde > wrote: > > > On 7/16/20 1:28 PM, Alan Somers wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:20 PM Don Wilde > > wrote: >> >> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS >> GRUB2 boot >> loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called >> 'Windows >> boot loader'. >> >> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of >> Edge. All my >> old boot files are gone. >> >> It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, >> since on this >> unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. >> >> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those >> [deleted]s >> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will >> erase every >> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >> >> -- >> Don Wilde >> **************************************************** >> * What is the Internet of Things but a system * >> * of systems including humans?  * >> **************************************************** >> >> >> Edge?  I thought that was a browser.  What does it have to do >> with boot loaders? >> -Alan > It is. They over-wrote my boot loader with a special package > touting their upgrade and its features. > > AUTOEXEC.bat is no longer sufficient for them! > > The only way to get out of it was to reboot to a different disk. > By installing a new copy of Ubuntu from DVD on a portion of that > drive, I was able to get to the rest of my disk through its GRUB2 > (which had been trashed by MS). > > I sent a really pointed message to MS "Senior Technical Advisors" > but nobody (of more than a dozen who were on-line and saw it) > responded. I hope nobody commits seppuku, but I'll bet there will > be some resignations. > > MS Windows is the toxic RoundUp of the software world, and 10 is > the most egregious one yet. > > > Are you saying that they overwrite the bootloader in order to display > some kind of popup add before the main OS loads?  That makes no sense > whatsoever.  It is the crazy ravings of a madman.  Except, I know Don > to be reliable. There's definitely a madman involved with this story > somehow, but I don't think it's Don. > > -Alan Thanks, Alan! After that one, I'm not even sure. From what others have said, I guess I've been lucky on this. 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My multi-OS GRUB2 boot > loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows > boot loader'. > > The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my > old boot files are gone. > > It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on this > unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. > > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. > If I understand correctly, it's just that your Grub boot-loader is gone. That should not be much of a problem if your system is MBR+BIOS. If your system is MBR+BIOS, the following should work. Boot with your FreeBSD CD/DVD/memstick, and write out boot0 to all your disks: boot0cfg -B /dev/ boot0cfg -B /dev/ boot0cfg -B /dev/ Next, boot with your Ubuntu CD/DVD/memstick, and write out Grub to your Ubuntu / partition. If Ubuntu / is /dev/sdb2 : sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt sudo grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb2 Reboot. When booting Ubuntu the first time, first press 'e' at the Grub loader menu to edit the configuration, delete the complete if..fi block, check that your line beginning with 'linux' is accurate and then press F10. Once the system has booted, run 'sudo update-grub'. 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My multi-OS GRUB2 boot > loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows > boot loader'. > > The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my > old boot files are gone. > > It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on this > unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. > > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. WHaou that's crazy :-( May I ask a question? Why did you not run [delete] to a VM on your ubuntu? My wife does not want to use Linux. But, I installed devuan (debian without systemd) on her new PC, then VirtualBOX and wind8.1 on it. She happy with this configuration and so I. For my part I only used Windows for profesional use and alaway let the windows admin, do there stuff. They just have to give me Putty to acces to servers. Good Luck for restoring your GRUB2 -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 06:53:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E245435AB84; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 06:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7MJj47r0z4dXC; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 06:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.44.7]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1McY4R-1kYgKl0Tfh-00cv8t; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:53:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:53:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Don Wilde Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! 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My multi-OS GRUB2 boot > loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows > boot loader'. They do this all the time. The consensus here is to install "Windows" first, always, restricted to the designated disk space, and _then_ install Linux, FreeBSD, GRUB, or anything else non-"Windows", in order to avoid the exact problem you are describing. Even older versions of "Windows" were known to destroy things like the FreeBSD boot manager when they are installed as a 2nd choice. MICROS~1 always wants you to treat it first class, with golden feet and glockenspiel. However, is my interpretation correct? Did this happen when you _installed_ "Windows" on that machine for the first time, or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" on the disk? > The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my > old boot files are gone. Something like that should never happen. It's absolutely normal that "Windows" installs software without user consent, and then presents it prominently in user-configured areas such as the desktop, the "Start" menu, or the bottom bar (pun absolutely intended), but it should never exceed its authority beyong the border of the "Windows" partition, which clearly means: "Hands off of Grub partition!" Especially with "Windows 10", the PC is no longer a PC, not a _personal_ computer belonging to the user; it's rather a system remotely controlled by MICROS~1, and having installed "Windows" and therefore agreed to the terms of usage (EULA), there is probably nothing "wrong" with it, because you have agreed that they can do whatever they want, and if something goes wrong, it's your fault. Legal business as usual. Many years (or let's say, decades) I had a similar problem with an OS/2 installation: It messed up the system's partition table, a system where DOS (not that DOS, the other one) was installed, and there was a data loss: Partition D: became C:, E: became D:, F: became E:, and C: along with its content seemed to be gone. But in the overall "disk space calculation" it must still have been on disk, so I used the Norton Disk Editor (DISKEDIT.EXE from Norton Utilities, a great product at that time!), a handheld calculator and pen & paper to re-calculate the correct values for the partition table, entered them, rebooted, prayed unto the holy bringer of peace, Alpha-Omega, and tadaa, C: was there again, with the correct content. Summary of that tale: An OS, even an OS installer, should only be allowed to work on non-assigned disk space, and any work that involves modifying things like partition tables, boot sectors, boot partition and such things should be secured with a consent dialog, a dialog that explains exactly what is going to happen, with additional information about the subject of the operation, not just "Do you want to continue? Yes / No" without further indications. > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. They don't mind. They already have your money. And maybe they even have your name, address, phone number, credit card number or other banking information... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: Manish Jain , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:27:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7PP74Dn4z3VCH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MAEGoTxk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::444 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.32 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.379]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.958]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::444:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:27:08 -0000 On 7/16/20 7:40 PM, Manish Jain wrote: > > > On 2020-07-17 01:49, Don Wilde wrote: >> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 >> boot loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called >> 'Windows boot loader'. >> >> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >> old boot files are gone. >> >> It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on >> this unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. >> >> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those >> [deleted]s tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I >> will erase every vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >> > > If I understand correctly, it's just that your Grub boot-loader is gone. > Yes, exactly. > That should not be much of a problem if your system is MBR+BIOS. > Unfortunately, it's GPT under EFI. I can access all my files through the F12 key on this Dell tower, be it Windows, Linux or FreeBSD, but if I allow it to boot with the Doze HDD in the system, it boots to that one. > If your system is MBR+BIOS, the following should work. > > Boot with your FreeBSD CD/DVD/memstick, and write out boot0 to all > your disks: > > boot0cfg -B /dev/ > boot0cfg -B /dev/ > boot0cfg -B /dev/ > > Next, boot with your Ubuntu CD/DVD/memstick, and write out Grub to > your Ubuntu / partition. If Ubuntu / is /dev/sdb2 : > > sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt > sudo grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb2 > > Reboot. When booting Ubuntu the first time, first press 'e' at the > Grub loader menu to edit the configuration, delete the complete if..fi > block, check that your line beginning with 'linux' is accurate and > then press F10. Once the system  has booted, run 'sudo update-grub'. > I appreciate the good data, Manish. I'm going to make sure I've gotten all my files off the Doze partition and then wipe it completely. FreeBSD is going to be my primary host OS and I'll keep my other drive for whatever flavors of Linux I need to work with for work. Based on what I've hseen on these threads, MS is still saddled with a number of bad legacy architectural choices as well as poor management choices, and both of those contribute to the challenges the use of their OS brings. I simply won't accept any contract that requires me to work with Windows. I've survived well enough without that skill set and I see no problem going forward. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 08:35:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6344D35DA0B; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR05-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-vi1eur05olkn2058.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.90.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7PZF6qHLz3W2k; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:35:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=eF6zLVcDr8X9EqHPIDTUDZXfCzp8M2UKT5gOq9d+JXFi9XYnnvDHzeFNE7Y4s4EusTLXxoL9wqX32Oap4UdHrJGbRGWf1CVV0ruvN8V1HtEAX20o3G579cxczq6+ImWz2tsG88wbeRbgMKVF5rWJoiJqNK/p31WSwDx+7Y99b0HUvAa+6IOXuqKrH1cHqFOER5g4zFVEX4+F25hVEDf2PMqk2j0GAMt96IPLp7EWcLTLeY9NEUIY1nkOnjLfGUf16APaEuENHC00VpvfNfV/hRVsXQOGeab0BQEnPFA6VSDJDcR6WY36Cl7Q+QiYetZtVPRX2U1d8UDO48R1Uaz19A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=6zeVl938ZF9bK6+cn7cmPxGjUNZHv7Co7KouVsZSs4A=; b=LEXmnKbT1HVdi8nvlrq3HeM0GqPe9E2wbSJEILXfpz8F3SL1VMbHyI+s13cU9OQ+8g8+9J5fpchgnb3OvbKhO/Bv10D+tockOTxWIgDB5+iC+9VWvezL9EuQQFCGLx/8AdHiGHU/x0j2GNBD77a+p9IigMHCKG9OGrZQZ5bBdnhKgREWF6NX6IbhRxTTZ7oacTFhlZ82Z3o7Mb++rMRcgRakPJgVYsg6M6xVZ43Pi2BT7aoY/FVPFlB141GZxxf7AMtv+HkT+UJED8mq+k6MD5LMTPEeRBsFzfzX0DubPZkGtuCWWBlvb2kExrqzOJWd+rqLFlCzGT9fFatNaTpkPA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=6zeVl938ZF9bK6+cn7cmPxGjUNZHv7Co7KouVsZSs4A=; b=XVhSwuin8VaAfZnn9KZn55SwwZbjVOLxcDfZQwNzyWWMUuE8yqTRh8NLUMmdGeareQvGDlRR4vcWeYRp4zSax7YOV78KqDPa/AcCiPBsTntK5WdjsV2OBC1mAGmprXNWNFThq7UBgNPGR7vstrWcdlI/avpooCvj0hmkecGJtjeklLPq4rJ1EwZ/ZJJK6XoTXs2q+mlc8LOwtb5JcaaYkyXMnlfflAzVQQp5jDMVrcrgWosfj2JgjVzvWkPegMWLD+e/CvBowiVp6rUqD74gxiM8OyU65Cvg/paFD0JMFFBC2IrOJS28D+UaVh899bmP3sT4EC56Qc8P8BLdeiKVHA== Received: from VI1EUR05FT007.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc12::45) by VI1EUR05HT117.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc12::327) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3174.21; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:34:59 +0000 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc12::46) by VI1EUR05FT007.mail.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc12::84) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3195.18 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:34:59 +0000 X-IncomingTopHeaderMarker: OriginalChecksum:79F5A387D3DDE16A55E1AD95A2A841ADD04526039DD10E17EAE9037338A5D87A; UpperCasedChecksum:0CE00F626B84DAC80F94D741BF38F1E47E061949ADD0BEB55F6E85268BFEEB32; SizeAsReceived:8938; Count:48 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::d062:cd70:ac5c:f0]) by DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::d062:cd70:ac5c:f0%6]) with mapi id 15.20.3174.028; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:34:59 +0000 Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! 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My multi-OS GRUB2 >>> boot loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called >>> 'Windows boot loader'. >>> >>> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >>> old boot files are gone. >>> >>> It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on >>> this unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. >>> >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those >>> [deleted]s tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I >>> will erase every vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>> >> >> If I understand correctly, it's just that your Grub boot-loader is gone. >> > Yes, exactly. > > >> That should not be much of a problem if your system is MBR+BIOS. >> > Unfortunately, it's GPT under EFI. I can access all my files through the > F12 key on this Dell tower, be it Windows, Linux or FreeBSD, but if I > allow it to boot with the Doze HDD in the system, it boots to that one. >> If your system is MBR+BIOS, the following should work. >> >> Boot with your FreeBSD CD/DVD/memstick, and write out boot0 to all >> your disks: >> >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >> >> Next, boot with your Ubuntu CD/DVD/memstick, and write out Grub to >> your Ubuntu / partition. If Ubuntu / is /dev/sdb2 : >> >> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt >> sudo grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb2 >> >> Reboot. When booting Ubuntu the first time, first press 'e' at the >> Grub loader menu to edit the configuration, delete the complete if..fi >> block, check that your line beginning with 'linux' is accurate and >> then press F10. Once the system  has booted, run 'sudo update-grub'. >> > I appreciate the good data, Manish. I'm going to make sure I've gotten > all my files off the Doze partition and then wipe it completely. FreeBSD > is going to be my primary host OS and I'll keep my other drive for > whatever flavors of Linux I need to work with for work. Based on what > I've hseen on these threads, MS is still saddled with a number of bad > legacy architectural choices as well as poor management choices, and > both of those contribute to the challenges the use of their OS brings. > > I simply won't accept any contract that requires me to work with > Windows. I've survived well enough without that skill set and I see no > problem going forward. > Hi Done, It is further my sincere suggestion to use MBR+BIOS. GPT+UEFI is problem-prone, with one of the problems being that you won't be able to boot FreeBSD. 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To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:05:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7QFt4Qgqz3XWK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jpy08KmJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1041 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.14 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.184]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.974]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1041:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:05:55 -0000 On 7/16/20 11:53 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:19:51 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: >> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 boot >> loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows >> boot loader'. > They do this all the time. The consensus here is to install > "Windows" first, always, restricted to the designated disk > space, and _then_ install Linux, FreeBSD, GRUB, or anything > else non-"Windows", in order to avoid the exact problem you > are describing. Even older versions of "Windows" were known > to destroy things like the FreeBSD boot manager when they > are installed as a 2nd choice. MICROS~1 always wants you to > treat it first class, with golden feet and glockenspiel. > > However, is my interpretation correct? Did this happen when > you _installed_ "Windows" on that machine for the first time, > or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed > instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" > on the disk? This machine still maintains the original Windows installation, first with W7, and then (finally, bad mistake) upgraded to W10. >> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >> old boot files are gone. > Something like that should never happen. It's absolutely > normal that "Windows" installs software without user consent, > and then presents it prominently in user-configured areas > such as the desktop, the "Start" menu, or the bottom bar > (pun absolutely intended), but it should never exceed its > authority beyong the border of the "Windows" partition, > which clearly means: "Hands off of Grub partition!" Yes. The bastards also screwed up my 128GB backup drive -- again without asking -- when I left it plugged in during a Doze boot. > > Especially with "Windows 10", the PC is no longer a PC, > not a _personal_ computer belonging to the user; it's rather > a system remotely controlled by MICROS~1, and having installed > "Windows" and therefore agreed to the terms of usage (EULA), > there is probably nothing "wrong" with it, because you have > agreed that they can do whatever they want, and if something > goes wrong, it's your fault. Legal business as usual. Yes, agreed. They far outstrip the robber barons of the 1800s in their greed. Even Carnegie finally discovered a heart beating inside of himself, and gave us libraries and Napoleon Hill! > > Many years (or let's say, decades) I had a similar problem > with an OS/2 installation: It messed up the system's partition > table, a system where DOS (not that DOS, the other one) was > installed, and there was a data loss: Partition D: became C:, > E: became D:, F: became E:, and C: along with its content > seemed to be gone. But in the overall "disk space calculation" > it must still have been on disk, so I used the Norton Disk Editor > (DISKEDIT.EXE from Norton Utilities, a great product at that > time!), a handheld calculator and pen & paper to re-calculate > the correct values for the partition table, entered them, > rebooted, prayed unto the holy bringer of peace, Alpha-Omega, > and tadaa, C: was there again, with the correct content. I never had that wonderful luxury of being saddled with a "real" IBM machine or OS/2. One would note that they, too (along with MS, eventually), are being relegated to the dustbin of history where they belong. [snip] >> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s >> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every >> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. > They don't mind. They already have your money. And maybe they > even have your name, address, phone number, credit card number > or other banking information... 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To: Manish Jain , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:28:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7QmG13sSz3YHy X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=lLcjovyo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::543 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.27 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.327]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.223.3.53:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.958]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::543:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:28:47 -0000 On 7/17/20 1:34 AM, Manish Jain wrote: > > > On 2020-07-17 13:57, Don Wilde wrote: >> >> On 7/16/20 7:40 PM, Manish Jain wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2020-07-17 01:49, Don Wilde wrote: >>>> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 >>>> boot loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called >>>> 'Windows boot loader'. >>>> >>>> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All >>>> my old boot files are gone. >>>> >>>> It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on >>>> this unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. >>>> >>>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those >>>> [deleted]s tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I >>>> will erase every vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >>>> >>> >>> If I understand correctly, it's just that your Grub boot-loader is >>> gone. >>> >> Yes, exactly. >> >> >>> That should not be much of a problem if your system is MBR+BIOS. >>> >> Unfortunately, it's GPT under EFI. I can access all my files through >> the F12 key on this Dell tower, be it Windows, Linux or FreeBSD, but >> if I allow it to boot with the Doze HDD in the system, it boots to >> that one. >>> If your system is MBR+BIOS, the following should work. >>> >>> Boot with your FreeBSD CD/DVD/memstick, and write out boot0 to all >>> your disks: >>> >>> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >>> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >>> boot0cfg -B /dev/ >>> >>> Next, boot with your Ubuntu CD/DVD/memstick, and write out Grub to >>> your Ubuntu / partition. If Ubuntu / is /dev/sdb2 : >>> >>> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt >>> sudo grub-install --force --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdb2 >>> >>> Reboot. When booting Ubuntu the first time, first press 'e' at the >>> Grub loader menu to edit the configuration, delete the complete >>> if..fi block, check that your line beginning with 'linux' is >>> accurate and then press F10. Once the system  has booted, run 'sudo >>> update-grub'. >>> >> I appreciate the good data, Manish. I'm going to make sure I've >> gotten all my files off the Doze partition and then wipe it >> completely. FreeBSD is going to be my primary host OS and I'll keep >> my other drive for whatever flavors of Linux I need to work with for >> work. Based on what I've hseen on these threads, MS is still saddled >> with a number of bad legacy architectural choices as well as poor >> management choices, and both of those contribute to the challenges >> the use of their OS brings. >> >> I simply won't accept any contract that requires me to work with >> Windows. I've survived well enough without that skill set and I see >> no problem going forward. >> > > Hi Done, > > It is further my sincere suggestion to use MBR+BIOS. GPT+UEFI is > problem-prone, with one of the problems being that you won't be able > to boot FreeBSD. > I've already seen that one on my 'mule' machine. This tower (a 2007 machine) will boot FreeBSD directly even in UEFI-BIOS mode; I just need to set it up so that FreeBSD also hosts the boot-loader for the other OSen. To use one of my favorite phrases, "We'll get there!" :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 09:38:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B5E35F44B for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7Qzp1Yg1z3Z0K for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7Qzm2KygzFdx5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1594978724; bh=yj4SzOq04UYBft1CfD1XLIyGuEb5/W1lPjaZYJxZDrg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VgPO5DYsv66SS+tYuZIkpl/Ti+Yt1fo7wVD6j5Wsb8S60lHHIIE7COE1u8e8Pt1BC ubmgQ9Y2TiEdsKsejbeHZc7z6QS9SnA4wK3n2roR74LaugV/19oIofjn6QvZ6lUzeo l933L6ryMvsQFXYwTvqsG4Xo1U5czc6Sw7BOGHQk= X-Riseup-User-ID: 9A26436A3E426F528920BA4C8DC89EFF5C2E1625B369FBEA7561FBFDDB55D54C Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B7Qzl4WVHz8ssh for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:38:41 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! 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But, I installed devuan (debian >without systemd) on her new PC, then VirtualBOX and wind8.1 on it. She >happy with this configuration and so I. Hi, my mileage varies a lot. I'm happy, too, that I do not need to run Windows on bare metal, but I'm not happy that I must run Windows software at all, since even running Windows in a VM, under an "emulation" or open source alternatives of the required Windows software in my experiences is a PITA. Years ago (2013) I bought a relatively expensive audio card, a RME HDSPe AIO which didn't (and still doesn't) work properly on my Linux installs. To check if it was caused by an incompatibility or by broken hardware I needed at least one other operating system running on bare metal. That was the first time I installed FreeBSD (FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE amd64) and since it was a relatively new driver and a card not much used by the FreeBSD community, I could contribute back by editing the audio wiki (https://wiki.freebsd.org/Sound). Since it's longer than 90 days ago, I can't provide a link to the edit. Fortunately the card was better supported by FreeBSD. However, I still wanted Windows for tests with the proprietary driver and software for it's internal mixer. Nowadays I don't have got a Windows install on bare metal, but run a XP (XP is unused), Win 7 and Win 10 VBox guests on an Arch Linux host and I've also 4 wine prefixes. Each time new guest additions are installed to my Win 10 guest I need to manually edit its vbox file to remove a non-existing "". I don't need to do it for the other guests. Each update of Vbox involves the risk to break things. A few hours ago I needed to migrate from VBoxVGA to VBoxSVGA, see https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/19719 and this was neither the first, nor the most time consuming issue I experienced. Each time I update wine(or wine-staging) it asks to install mono and gecko. A few days back I accidentally pushed "Install" instead of "Cancel" when it asked to install mono. I hope I got rid of it by removing wine's cache and restoring one of the 4 prefixes from a backup. I still keep several temporary backups (named TRASH) of my attempt to remove mono. ls -hld .wine* TRASH* drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jul 16 21:20 .wine drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Apr 28 10:44 .wine-gr-55-20200413 drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K May 15 2019 .wine-sf drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Mar 21 10:46 .wine-xnviewmp drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jul 15 23:42 TRASH.cache.wine.BAK drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jul 16 19:58 TRASH.wine.2.BAK drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jul 15 23:49 TRASH.wine.BAK drwxr-xr-x 4 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jul 16 20:29 TRASH.wine.ORIGINAL IOW sometimes Windows is indispensable. Sometimes a user must have an install on bare metal, but even if it's not required to run on bare metal, Windows could easily become a PITA. I considered migrating to another VM, but no other VM is that easy to set up as VBox regarding access to the GUI and shared folder usage. Each kind of VM or "emulation" has got it's pitfalls. Open source alternatives often don't work as expected. After fixing https://github.com/libimobiledevice/libimobiledevice/issues/828 the usage of ifuse corrupted data on one of my iPads, by just _reading_ the data, so I'm back to iTunes running on my Windows guests. Apart from running two versions (an old that works and an untested new version) of a guitar synth editor under wine, I also tested different releases, installed as binary blob as well as compiled from source for Linux. The tested Linux releases were terribly broken. I installed, but didn't test the latest Linux release. ls -hl /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Apr 30 2018 /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard -> /opt/gr-55_floorboard/packager/GR-55FloorBoard -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 114 Apr 27 09:17 /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard_2018-4_wine -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 129 Apr 27 09:17 /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard_2020-4_wine cat /usr/local/bin/gr-55*wine #!/bin/dash wine '/home/rocketmouse/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/GR-55FloorBoard/GR-55FloorBoard.exe' & exit #!/bin/dash wine '/home/rocketmouse/.wine-gr-55-20200413/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/GR-55FloorBoard/GR-55FloorBoard.exe' & exit ls -hld /opt/gr-55* drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 12K Apr 28 08:35 /opt/gr-55_floorboard drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 12K Apr 30 2018 /opt/gr-55_floorboard_obsolete_version_20180418 Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 11:22:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088B3361A46; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.dev) Received: from new3-smtp.messagingengine.com (new3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7THp4CCyz3gJ4; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.dev) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8018C5800D9; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:22:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yuripv.dev; h= subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh=d XqBLJxQGt3LSBsTNjyCRS3FwbY8py83RWIVI9t0CbM=; b=ewwsWqtij3jf4ZzNM tzxU+Rxc0q2aB3maJjVLGWad9/Rp5ZFwzKCB5LcNWeNiMJ70NcR4nzCWEUGHqrgG u2nRJ9cVlAkcpy0IDrIPF/eGRhmGReF0+N3OErZaoa7Rr1S5Y/PWp435+ZiVQZDC HZkXONtM0tNdEvkMlcaH/Ha2GLLU8joUelVcsHS9Gac0V18DtnJ/YqCTKj0SLRzS 9kbSz3kwa58GYPFp8/4yj+GmJ2H4WT+K1SSzOuKbhDhTdyZn3ilUqZKAp8RUq/Ag td3IVHRhbKCI4CZop2AOiWJaPh9gHgm8fq0U0YRHatiELqJcOvm/5Vats82NUDGW 8caIg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=dXqBLJxQGt3LSBsTNjyCRS3FwbY8py83RWIVI9t0C bM=; b=nFNXM+9NGU4F/C+ngeAbbjIgGlaLLHVoNROYRwma5dsOfDDzkGwmAQ8uc evDFupVDLAMBhZq4BJw/rwseEd4svE9/IrxkJsHQlqox/pbf+vZDFnVqKte1czti znfiIawlZMx3lzr62BCTczLq8Y2/omFH6EEcBNAFaT5A1Abr24MAXDttU/YpmsWo j/O72EMWZfe36YsseSaKzVMvBpkNXY49G17ZoalxhrB14QcPCHxkZ70+pnHYxBRS ZrPAM2gnBQWS+ACa1hI20OqGwIGKkEE16uwaqKA1Y4AtCbKAPFl7sT6evmCeqbup /EeXUPm46dGnP6TB7zB3Dhz1zoHzw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrfeeigdefkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpegjuhhrihcu rfgrnhhkohhvuceohihurhhiphhvseihuhhrihhpvhdruggvvheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvg hrnhepffehvdekgeeijeevledvfffgveeuvefggfejhfelueeuveetvddvvdfgieetffet necukfhppeeluddrvdegtddruddvgedrudefjeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtne curfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeihuhhrihhpvheshihurhhiphhvrdguvghv X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [91.240.124.137]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1EC81306005F; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! To: Don Wilde , Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <49db33f8-3d2d-d8e4-80e8-8226d5a8b717@yuripv.dev> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:22:42 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7THp4CCyz3gJ4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=ewwsWqti; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=nFNXM+9N; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 66.111.4.229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yuripv.dev:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.009]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.229]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yuripv.dev]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yuripv.dev:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,edvax.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.229:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.229:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:22:48 -0000 Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/16/20 11:53 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:19:51 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: >>> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 boot >>> loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows >>> boot loader'. >> They do this all the time. The consensus here is to install >> "Windows" first, always, restricted to the designated disk >> space, and _then_ install Linux, FreeBSD, GRUB, or anything >> else non-"Windows", in order to avoid the exact problem you >> are describing. Even older versions of "Windows" were known >> to destroy things like the FreeBSD boot manager when they >> are installed as a 2nd choice. MICROS~1 always wants you to >> treat it first class, with golden feet and glockenspiel. >> >> However, is my interpretation correct? Did this happen when >> you _installed_ "Windows" on that machine for the first time, >> or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed >> instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" >> on the disk? > This machine still maintains the original Windows installation, first > with W7, and then (finally, bad mistake) upgraded to W10. >>> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >>> old boot files are gone. >> Something like that should never happen. It's absolutely >> normal that "Windows" installs software without user consent, >> and then presents it prominently in user-configured areas >> such as the desktop, the "Start" menu, or the bottom bar >> (pun absolutely intended), but it should never exceed its >> authority beyong the border of the "Windows" partition, >> which clearly means: "Hands off of Grub partition!" > > Yes. The bastards also screwed up my 128GB backup drive -- again without > asking -- when I left it plugged in during a Doze boot. Y'all must have the special edition of Win10 handed as a punishment to those who likes to hijack questions@ (and now stable@) with "the grass was greener" threads :-) I have never seen it do anything with removable media I have attached, be it FreeBSD, illumos installation usb sticks or hard drives, or simply some data disks. >> >> Especially with "Windows 10", the PC is no longer a PC, >> not a _personal_ computer belonging to the user; it's rather >> a system remotely controlled by MICROS~1, and having installed >> "Windows" and therefore agreed to the terms of usage (EULA), >> there is probably nothing "wrong" with it, because you have >> agreed that they can do whatever they want, and if something >> goes wrong, it's your fault. Legal business as usual. > Yes, agreed. They far outstrip the robber barons of the 1800s in their > greed. Even Carnegie finally discovered a heart beating inside of > himself, and gave us libraries and Napoleon Hill! >> >> Many years (or let's say, decades) I had a similar problem >> with an OS/2 installation: It messed up the system's partition >> table, a system where DOS (not that DOS, the other one) was >> installed, and there was a data loss: Partition D: became C:, >> E: became D:, F: became E:, and C: along with its content >> seemed to be gone. But in the overall "disk space calculation" >> it must still have been on disk, so I used the Norton Disk Editor >> (DISKEDIT.EXE from Norton Utilities, a great product at that >> time!), a handheld calculator and pen & paper to re-calculate >> the correct values for the partition table, entered them, >> rebooted, prayed unto the holy bringer of peace, Alpha-Omega, >> and tadaa, C: was there again, with the correct content. > > I never had that wonderful luxury of being saddled with a "real" IBM > machine or OS/2. One would note that they, too (along with MS, > eventually), are being relegated to the dustbin of history where they > belong. > > [snip] > >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s >>> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every >>> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >> They don't mind. They already have your money. And maybe they >> even have your name, address, phone number, credit card number >> or other banking information... > I have a few last resort technologies they *don't* know about, though > they are not worth any more of my time or psychic energy. :D > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 12:05:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF63363A04 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7VF33zvzz40pL for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7VDl5YrhzFf2h for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1594987525; bh=WOyeOVQE0UuTZ0Lzcd+RJ2DP7/Dg5Dxy2gP4VgAsGgU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=XvMXMK3FYRdqj2RMmi7ay0M/CWIYCo7NeE9TNRfD7ZgsSvvs0t+aw0xyH6TccqOdn aJF1SvAeMsupa4h1tn0Y9Gq9Qk7b104hjONOIY4ZqZE8WAds6Tmiamw+09RnW7QmSN YWGjzaWAjXB4ciOFvvwuVg9neurNL8CoJtIdW3gQ= X-Riseup-User-ID: 3F99F47967337D5C805AC6DE13376B6AAA941486F05973A50649627714D0A1EB Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B7VDl1Nh4zJqrK for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 05:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:05:10 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! Message-ID: <20200717140510.2c559842@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <49db33f8-3d2d-d8e4-80e8-8226d5a8b717@yuripv.dev> References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com> <49db33f8-3d2d-d8e4-80e8-8226d5a8b717@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7VF33zvzz40pL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=XvMXMK3F; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.294]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:05:28 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:22:42 +0300, Yuri Pankov wrote: >Y'all must have the special edition of Win10 handed as a punishment to >those who likes to hijack questions@ (and now stable@) with "the grass >was greener" threads :-) I have never seen it do anything with >removable media I have attached, be it FreeBSD, illumos installation >usb sticks or hard drives, or simply some data disks. Hi, nowadays even upstream FLOSS projects tend to be careless, see https://forum.nomadbsd.org/t/integrity-check-of-images/125 . What do expect from Windows software downloaded and installed without an integrity check? Windows defender and other snake oil security guards [1], as well as the need to confirm that you are sure you want to let this program make changes to your computer gains nothing, after the security issue is introduced in the first place, by getting software from somewhere, that can't be verified. https://www.csoonline.com/article/3222066/how-to-detect-and-remove-a-rootkit-in-windows-10.html Probably almost all Windows installs are "special editions". Regards, Ralf [1] They are better in spreading FUD than protecting a Windows install. Your PC does perform at half speed, half of the disk space is used by unneeded files and you are prone to attacks! Skip for now or upgrade from the gratis version to the pay monthly version to fix all issues. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 12:27:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07BC363F68 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7Vk1515Mz41ht for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:27:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LuKreme Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 06:27:03 -0600 Message-Id: <5C717A43-2F59-4A15-A36A-AE96DA6CF472@kreme.com> References: <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18A5319i) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7Vk1515Mz41ht X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.63)[-0.632]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.25)[-0.247]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.351]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:27:07 -0000 On Jul 17, 2020, at 00:53, Polytropon wrote: > or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed > instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" > on the disk? That was how I read the original post, and I=E2=80=99ve heard this complaint= before. I installed =E2=80=9Cnever 10=E2=80=9D on my win7 machine ages ago.= Otoh, I think tight now Edge is the best browser on Windows 10 by a pretty h= ealthy margin. YMMV. 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As different to being able to access the public internet type of vnet jails. Using the bridge/epair method of connecting vnet jails to the host. [ based on this how-to ] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/vnet-jail-with-public-internet-access-using-the-bridge-epair-method.76071/ It's my understanding that this behavior is controlled by if the hosts interface connected to the public internet is added as a member to the bridge the vnet jails epairXa interfaces were members of. I tested this on a remote vm and found that it made no difference one way or the other if the hosts interface connected to the public internet was added as a member to the bridge or not. In both cases the vnet jail had public internet access. On my home server I set up this scenario and observed the same behavior. This behavior raises some questions. Is it technically possible to segregate vnet jails into groups of vnet jails that are restricted to local host only access and another group that has public access? If so what is the mechanism that controls this ability? If I wanted both local only and public vnet jails on the same host I would think each group would need its own bridge. Where do we go from there? Is my understanding correct and this is a bug in if_bridge? 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In the past,I read a little bit about a 6BM BSD version made from FreeBSd called MiniBSD which was only 6MB in size but unfortunately that was for an i386 base and the project seems to be now dead. I am very interest possibly generating up some in ultra-thin FreeBSD versions for the x86_64 (AMD) platform that can be along the same size or smaller, of course without an xserver as I am looking into SDL & DirectFB to run the GUI single application (no desktop needed) that I want. On that note, I have also read that FreeBSD has some "tools" that may be able to generate versions of PicoBSD (around 2MB) and NanoBSD (??? MB) so I have set up a FreeBSD system so that I can try to generate some ISO's if possible. For this project, an initial FreeBSD, or dialect, being the smaller the better with just the absolute bare essentials on it so that I can add things as needed. What I am not sure about here is how to install the FreeBSD tools that seem to have the shell scripts that will generate PicoBSD and NanoBSD. I would like to be able to download a pre-built ISO of these just to see them run before jumping into the effort but cannot find them anywhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 15:27:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E700367B7D for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7Zjr2Rrhz4CCF for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (2a01cb0400bb0900ea6a64fffe0795a1.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr [IPv6:2a01:cb04:bb:900:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C9A9109F8 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:27:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1594999623; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tDy4u5IrKXMYYiIoUZQKLEheLzUCvBT7xk4hjtmLtTY=; b=QqcKhooLJWfP4shZRgh8eo0IBLJ0F7CllLVwFvYANh4s3ERd/DPuAV3xz+A240rS7LDE3Z LICq1Ybu3UNnCgys6Y997RpPMbva9zW6cbE0kYAR4dKOMaacIP8BBNgoTQ9PZmtQJ99Ijk hCb90ChgtmmQqzJkABppEOYOYtBnzKE= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EAA11E00 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:27:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:27:02 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Bluetooth Message-ID: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.60 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.foucry.net X-Spam-Score: -2.60 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7Zjr2Rrhz4CCF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=QqcKhooL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.054]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.477]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:27:13 -0000 Hi friends, Yes, I know… the subject. I can't use my $5 bluetooth mouse on my Lenovo X280 :-( OK, I can use my logitech wireless mouse, but it take me one usb port. :-( So, I there some good news comming with FreeBSD 13? 14? event 15? In fact it's annoying to see BT working out of box with Linux and not with FreeBSD. I don't want to blame any body. juste a feeling. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 16:24:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AFD368D2F for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7bzt3pDLz4Ffc for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id j4so11757076wrp.10 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:24:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=t7JPS8ZgaWg88KObYydNO46OvCSSc0kAdpQgVA+hZv0=; b=H3L9N/3ESU6C6l384CSnRBjq/cG0YpAXC4quUcfiTDmih2KCjKLBOQ1qztIgGQYqPP 7BSYIMNjiKb/gfVgSGbPGAX8pnnrDbrrmhiqj2be8Ylw10No1CE3S2C5lZPuDdMVbLt5 HfV8UlNW1TmIcA6ecNmsmIdMObxhNQuAkYzFJYVOzoOl5PyCkIhH4ezvwH4Ub48Lcbh2 pAzuHj3cPdMXSs2mb/tJoNftzO8gmXgCYr7zIqDst3/ScjLOMM3ILjg+bFhAoe8AooOx RgXDa0RocB7yNJqNQ34XrDBUbPxOfPgNWQDK9YVtfEATHqJWPjY7a+WmTsC8EQELGmYW 8Oaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=t7JPS8ZgaWg88KObYydNO46OvCSSc0kAdpQgVA+hZv0=; b=RKT7rWMCh0VmFKlCW3otHLT0azw0vfuBKOS9exjcLZpjcvB2uw+piR/geGOpiZsXaw KlvygXfJ3Mncqj/2NLcmFwv5c7SaxbfCiSw5Bu3co7ur9iGwKNghB69TXWzkr2hiYIuB /RKDOugk214z2641SVC0YbsKW44SV2trSVwC4yT0zyd+YzKjgA+sYMve4WbP6W+9vfqP p/5qWpERG+GYwgYwcmgNuUESHrcW7Z3n2JFUfrjiQvmyaemh0Dsf5GRZ+egXYeKhTNE4 SiSs4dwTFzlDqO7EfBKqBrUGVQDdF/PXZ9ZJYIys/gbVQ2fySMWhzjebCW0C1XTqwDIz 9dcw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ex+Ne1dyj0wbAS/DSdd6Tf8smOowkmd0cXoH0wFG2RcAcP28H aO8meZRBTNpypVHRgktwydIddSUKme4BeeQthCEYKzaNT16pvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw53KhhIHvjwcqFKW2+aOs+ywGW6Z2Qum3ou3LaIvBDkwsjPJVGAN42MQShvcAyM1pL2IzSwi1HzSoum1jmK0k= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e886:: with SMTP id d6mr1211819wrm.133.1595003064808; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:24:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> In-Reply-To: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:24:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bluetooth To: jacques+freebsd@foucry.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7bzt3pDLz4Ffc X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=H3L9N/3E; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::431) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.975]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.060]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:24:27 -0000 How about bthid? :-) https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bthidd(8) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 16:32:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D6E369184 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12b.google.com (mail-lf1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7c8y1ySnz4GR3 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id t9so6408074lfl.5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=LPVvBoBeiWuMPIvBXESl6/BfuAY+tNhZeb0macfbTqs=; b=n8CbZb0cqBo/R07NRmtsjPwFDhawDGdLMw396mX0pe+nBTgGhRlTSASuIz+5fyUXcV azszopv4NOrgy2Wn34pBYxL9grDDkw5REhJlUxTe7BLbnUgUoO9GlhpCgW/quLR4SYUM ojodCMhwpk9QE8nFEQriURE3pXVLQPLtQ6RsVt2r9jPhvuXRbItuXaoUcXxWHmltSTgl 368yT0MvUWL7gT5b3FDQyNdCqXBfiIUe59zxdsL55pUKoTgD9ydpp5WwtH1PAbJXlQli cJ5qFGulSn+0XeETnM1928nEKLruUmBFGUZllNex31Jg2hSOdmb0izhbkDXDvSQWestJ ayiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LPVvBoBeiWuMPIvBXESl6/BfuAY+tNhZeb0macfbTqs=; b=TBbJCoHB8nlLUY+JT5UVFkbPlvBFr1BnwBYV+MCy7QblHEq88H3B+I7ub6kr6zmvOV eNxlZqfWArMl/aOpw2umd2DrEiRo7fDXteRhz8j3hDmbHP1k2q92+ad5e91qaPNqSW15 Jt5dD4OulxG2w+qOhN0Ec1wyrrGv46n8eKjWKrYvYuRou5dqHCngkXRh/CHCWjj2Sdsv VAppTqohYitSNWt/WSSXvLybiRvmwIjnwK848OI0mEIjPArhrmR0Be512EGsBX/JJVHz 0vpSlv7WTYYEiDBJtd/+kDG171M+tABCRgZZYI4kyRcLTzCTY6vjbWyCGtdrq2h//L4U Iqrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533VBiHu+g5u+FvdUT+hUL8CNvzEEYG36INmsIVGs6F01oTmzIu5 iD/NyQpftfObUP1HdGme06PexQ7hShVAhSQtlyRcH89n X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwhOJxzS/oS3cBM4+c0VQ+gFjQy4IgCo07KQcuNbIQqxeHIif5aGZKSCT5Yeyzz/1GM0Ju9AiMKBNUYw7lijYQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:52af:: with SMTP id r15mr5107683lfm.24.1595003536451; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C717A43-2F59-4A15-A36A-AE96DA6CF472@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <5C717A43-2F59-4A15-A36A-AE96DA6CF472@kreme.com> Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com From: Donald Wilde Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! To: LuKreme Cc: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7c8y1ySnz4GR3 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=n8CbZb0c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.68 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.030]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.31)[0.315]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.963]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:32:19 -0000 On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 05:27 LuKreme wrote: > On Jul 17, 2020, at 00:53, Polytropon wrote: > > or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed > > instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" > > on the disk? > Yes. It destroyed my Ubuntu backup files. > That was how I read the original post, and I=E2=80=99ve heard this compla= int > before. I installed =E2=80=9Cnever 10=E2=80=9D on my win7 machine ages ag= o. > > Otoh, I think tight now Edge is the best browser on Windows 1 0 by a pretty healthy margin. YMMV. > I'm glad you like it but I will never use Windows again except long enough to scrape it off a new machine. Between the evil embedded in their code and their EULA, the only thing MS deserves is to end up in the dustbin of history like IBM and DEC. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 17:31:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28F936A90A for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7dSk4vLRz4K7l for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:31:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c513bdea (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: NanoBSD and PicoBSD questions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <7ded2e5d-5141-4b8d-fed4-c6e3ceecc5ce@nomadlogic.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:30:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7dSk4vLRz4K7l X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.47)[-0.472]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.196]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.49)[-0.490]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:31:03 -0000 On 7/17/20 7:12 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > I am just now coming to FreeBSD over from the Linux world. > > In the past,I read a little bit about a 6BM BSD version made from FreeBSd > called MiniBSD which was only 6MB in size but unfortunately that was for an > i386 base and the project seems to be now dead. > > I am very interest possibly generating up some in ultra-thin FreeBSD > versions for the x86_64 (AMD) platform that can be along the same size or > smaller, of course without an xserver as I am looking into SDL & DirectFB > to run the GUI single application (no desktop needed) that I want. > > On that note, I have also read that FreeBSD has some "tools" that may be > able to generate versions of PicoBSD (around 2MB) and NanoBSD (??? MB) so I > have set up a FreeBSD system so that I can try to generate some ISO's if > possible. > > For this project, an initial FreeBSD, or dialect, being the smaller the > better with just the absolute bare essentials on it so that I can add > things as needed. > > What I am not sure about here is how to install the FreeBSD tools that seem > to have the shell scripts that will generate PicoBSD and NanoBSD. > > I would like to be able to download a pre-built ISO of these just to see > them run before jumping into the effort but cannot find them anywhere. This link is a good starting point for nanobsd: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/nanobsd/index.html the scripts and configs for nanobsd are part of the source FreeBSD distribution, so if you checkout the code nanobsd will be available in $CHECKOUT/tools/tools/nanobsd/ This document provides a pretty good overview of the structure of the project itself (assuming you are interesting in building products based on FreeBSD): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/building-products/article.html hope this helps get you pointed in the right direction. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 19:00:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754FB36C1FA for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7gS36Bvzz4NyR for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (lfbn-idf2-1-434-144.w86-246.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.246.142.144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5530D10BF3 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:00:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1595012431; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=/75OsEudcdooEUyYPs4jxwgLfOqygjxBU0Hvn56hels=; b=U8tMh1vyvU3en6lIDOS5i+R8aHL7bYoSWgFacFmXaC4WjGLuUpwx6PpXq9ggsjXKdx96nr 5tH1ElRtee1CXifsX5MiJu2zOjHedFLPzrXVoUvczMEwSbzvojVqsLObTSWFv/L0jo0R6B ia8/NCqrcU7JyehrTxLDp7BR5sEhVD8= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF0711E62 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:00:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:00:30 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Bluetooth Message-ID: <20200717190030.GD30026@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.60 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.foucry.net X-Spam-Score: -2.60 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7gS36Bvzz4NyR X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=U8tMh1vy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.065]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.008]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.483]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:00:38 -0000 Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 à 18:24:14 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO à écrit: > How about bthid? :-) > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bthidd(8) Well, I tried. kldload ng_ubt start hcsecd -d start sdpd -d start bthidd -d -u But no chance :-( bthidd tell me: bthidd 52570 - - syntax error in line 1 I suppose it's in the config file which is empty. spdcontrol -l search cannot connect to the socket: sdpd 76041 - - Client on control socket has disconnected in the sdpd -d window hddcontrol read_node_list failed too: hccontrol: Could not find HCI nodes And nothing in dmesg :-( Imust be wrong or my mouse is really poor quality. I will check with Linux, Event ot find the mouse addressė Thank Thankss -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 19:23:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42E636CFBF for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7gyz71rsz4RYF for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5480DA20F1 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 2F2BEA20F0; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:23:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:23:49 -0500 From: Doug McIntyre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd running on used Rack server Message-ID: <20200717192349.GA40739@geeks.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7gyz71rsz4RYF X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 2001:4980:3333:1::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.82)[-0.825]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.967]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.032]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:23:56 -0000 On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 04:19:38PM -0700, Martin Glazer wrote: > Hello > Just curious what used Rack server would you recommend? I like the Intel > Xeon CPU > > I like the idea. I have Freebsd running in a used Dell Precision T3600 with > 6 core Xeon CPU There's a ton of choices, I wouldn't say that FreeBSD is all that married to anything specific. All server gear does great. You would want to play to FreeBSD's strengths. Ie. especially ZFS. Ie many Dell servers would have a RAID card in them instead of a HBA for direct JBOD support. ZFS really works best with direct access to the disks as a JBOD. I've run FreeBSD on just about every generation Dell server in the last 15 years just fine. Some HP (not much). Quite a bit more SuperMicro gear. Intel ATOM, Xeon, Core, etc. Pretty much no issues. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 20:14:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51B36DC1C for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7j5Q5WcSz4TX5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id z13so12336467wrw.5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=njzA9+YX8yC3VSRTShrL4+fUQ+DE2LmWGGugpm/y2Bk=; b=ecA/2qMVebTM4EAUF8/kHPCem8n8S05RxU55gdJ7dalLDm383b+ngA/77LTleUp8Za DOvgTTQjuD/29fTN2lckeqhc48J6kIBUEJHv+ApcbWtScgugojj59YVEVfipTzDZwGkG gTytbhAE+cevWUTSIWE/S3LV1e+0P0/+EwYLm/KmVJAgcSRA8EMvBeJHWltmAmQGdDLp DK2S/6+dO/GrjDcJBKnyyUGjNMjEdw/jqMyCiwK3ZBk1Z393W7ilK4PPl4S8xdC802nk gYf7uOiSRS1z8zRal8jbeTdsSNMZw0Ac7b3YbekDQTYng6u4Ndi7QB+WCmHcnxEPGMG9 qsiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=njzA9+YX8yC3VSRTShrL4+fUQ+DE2LmWGGugpm/y2Bk=; b=tczT82KfTc2xvKi4XjSmBNx2X1fcFrE3G6jgErMWBI4rgzJ3R9jMdu+MpyZoyNTQdh aeQnK33QLXQsgjtp6NDcdx9I9pYHQinsaerYhxXaA4TAWcanMiZazQY1Dz5AIKeBMoSJ UzewIuRoXBm2uvFb6j9diDKVAI2N3eY851khygA5WtvYJ/2mgd5iLIdKUF+LCq/tvdrc YKbTCvayQIzdC76L6kAZyu17TtyNIEMB6wY9KYRYqEfxg8WuWAlOE2sB+slHvHy7Jtj/ nXI7WkG19EONU5IGgAVV7YR1zhMFFLyCwWn7l6duFtT/JBNthAdDDJV9EX0xVgWGVk44 6N5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5338ZjJ7m/8pK/J/2OoqTXhPSRPQJBqQs/8wnR6UkuiB52vQIYDJ 3y46YDlH5w6meT/Qo4mIckQWL/qo75C3b+km7cAxEA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzJydAOsEvnpbNVq0Lw0/MPUSgoxoZf01NYm2TsQ2eQ1qUmzVBW5fHILxfRcjMcFRa2zDt42TCfHrk5hni86mg= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4591:: with SMTP id p17mr11815967wrq.343.1595016872618; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:14:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> <20200717190030.GD30026@mithril> In-Reply-To: <20200717190030.GD30026@mithril> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:14:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bluetooth To: jacques+freebsd@foucry.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7j5Q5WcSz4TX5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=ecA/2qMV; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::433) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.010]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.001]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.577]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:14:36 -0000 On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:00 PM Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 =C3=A0 18:24:14 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO =C3=A0 = =C3=A9crit: > > How about bthid? :-) > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bthidd(8) > Well, I tried. Please google for bthid usage examples. Sure it would be nice to have bthid example in the Handbook.. maybe you could add one if you make it work. Below are some references that may come handy..? :-) http://ninjin-weblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/wiimote-under-freebsd-using-bsdmo= ted.html https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bluetooth-mouse-problem.40088/ https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-bluetooth.html --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 20:31:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7670636E2E8; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x741.google.com (mail-qk1-x741.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::741]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7jTQ4r92z4VdQ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x741.google.com with SMTP id z15so3201871qki.10; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:31:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SgvsygJsi5OaXTUgFAk+j13YmwPzP7z1fQVefExCQZo=; b=FD2qIn1HACOSzL72xKi4Cmf4AjledlPB1KhfjF5JSuLO+2v59KmTRrmsHfcOy93pBU Hp3khGfZpwg1CLnYKbq0sAPwwjLvJXJ7FLjXxfs094Pd5ZSIAygnYkbxTPGSLLj/0fy1 Q/BpP1zKnYut5hYxwK72mkJ6s/F6zpBPYm8yr6eTo1A5gBZdVFTEuhBqQ9FlkJ6lxjfq UXJXqaBC9E9Ydz1MRkNHm7gSUyEBaDxbeX1bj+XJCj/aBn8E+8Hhs/VOcImpBuhHdjTE PBQg8O+NCMFpNq0cSBpNYKw9mNyNGzJ+6vZ5ivCusyiXmrXUq2A7fqZDvxbhoTNRU65r IwPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SgvsygJsi5OaXTUgFAk+j13YmwPzP7z1fQVefExCQZo=; b=jDDJULZNp3o700ks6Jt+ZkinP9u10ApqdUcvc056i5kqQ11zhagA7ZbUigE7GDDvAi NfZTuyg+IVlOL2CpgO9zk0ldH7tXGrVtRhBtsbLUTTp+uDffIwXiry4Opnwb0ZWjiBpE OfyH+x1I3YcyOtuPHA1hgzDqx3DmjBFy2qiA8o92qoioYl5bvme/dF6exXikf/tDHP4N 9iqDsFCMYjFDz9e5f4gPRJcD/BB42F2Phuzdm56n1P9ymU8u6jhbQFv9RsYH48lVfYLp v5gXQUA0ibGs4F3t1C3HliBoo0A7yprG3dytX0WrA488KmbprJNE6IZWyMU6CP30S32k AWSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531dEY71HQqLnUYSUgs7uVm2Yje5PPJFj5m8M+vivMwkOyRuCj3t DGaXfBWMMasp3tFo+/mkDvM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzxbb1uq1HLZAfEa/5YzjL1Y3ew3nttuz7roU+4xG6B9Sc4KHYhM17uG2v15O+Ca2ZBXEil1A== X-Received: by 2002:a37:3cd:: with SMTP id 196mr10799742qkd.458.1595017913735; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.8] (cpe-65-25-51-0.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.51.0]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t9sm11314995qke.68.2020.07.17.13.31.52 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5F120AB9.8060209@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:31:53 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Leidinger CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org, David Mehler Subject: Re: vnet jail for local only or public access References: <5EFCD605.4000409@gmail.com> <5EFD095F.4040507@gmail.com> <5F0119F3.40806@gmail.com> <5F049E65.8000701@gmail.com> <5F0DEE4A.6080600@gmail.com> <5F0F00EB.5010403@gmail.com> <5F0F0FBC.9020200@gmail.com> <5F0F152C.3040908@gmail.com> <5F119D8F.7030407@gmail.com> <20200717152243.Horde.9H9QDqj9GtGFk_mayhRBsvs@webmail.leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <20200717152243.Horde.9H9QDqj9GtGFk_mayhRBsvs@webmail.leidinger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7jTQ4r92z4VdQ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=FD2qIn1H; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luzar722@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::741 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luzar722@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.888]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[65.25.51.0:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.044]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::741:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:31:55 -0000 Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Ernie Luzar (from Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:46:07 > -0400): > >> Trying to figure out how to configure a vnet jail so it is restricted >> to only being able to talk to other vnet jails on the same host IE: >> local only vnet jails. As different to being able to access the public >> internet type of vnet jails. >> >> Using the bridge/epair method of connecting vnet jails to the host. >> [ based on this how-to ] >> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/vnet-jail-with-public-internet-access-using-the-bridge-epair-method.76071/ >> >> >> It's my understanding that this behavior is controlled by if the hosts >> interface connected to the public internet is added as a member to the >> bridge the vnet jails epairXa interfaces were members of. > > Partly correct. You can also have a setup where your host is routing > between what you call the public internet and the local only vnets. > >> I tested this on a remote vm and found that it made no difference one >> way or the other if the hosts interface connected to the public >> internet was added as a member to the bridge or not. In both cases the >> vnet jail had public internet access. > > It shouldn't, if there is no routing involved. > > Please show us "ifconfig -a" and "netstat -rn" of the host. > > Bye, > Alexander. > root >netstat -rn4 Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire default 65.25.48.1 UGS re0 10.0.0.0/8 link#1 U em0 10.0.10.2 link#1 UHS lo0 10.0.20.0/24 link#5 U bridge10 10.0.20.2 link#5 UHS lo0 xxx.25.48.0/20 link#2 U re0 xxx.25.51.0 link#2 UHS lo0 127.0.0.1 link#3 UH lo0 /root > /root >ifconfig -a em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=81249b ether d0:50:99:93:75:98 inet 10.0.10.2 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active nd6 options=29 re0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8209b ether 50:3e:aa:06:11:22 inet xxx.25.51.0 netmask 0xfffff000 broadcast 255.255.255.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active nd6 options=29 lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=680003 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 groups: lo nd6 options=21 bridge10: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 description: qjail-vnet-jail-only-bridge ether 02:3e:ba:a7:58:0a inet 10.0.20.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 255.255.255.0 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: epair4a flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 6 priority 128 path cost 2000 groups: bridge nd6 options=1 epair4a: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 description: qjail-vnet-jail-dir10 options=8 ether 02:f6:61:9a:b4:0a inet6 fe80::f6:61ff:fe9a:b40a%epair4a prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 groups: epair media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T (10Gbase-T ) status: active nd6 options=21 Vnet jail can ping the public internet. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 21:13:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FF636EC49 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7kP45ChSz4YDh for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 1419 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2020 21:13:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=588.5f121462.k2007; bh=irsD5y75FBF7AkpazFTYnuEts4+lC2w4sgJQd/lggtk=; b=qJBFIWODSNnIQqBPh0eihax4YoLURt61F+uEO9WtIZb5Lpyu/tWoj07Pk3O2ROZ/ZQs/RfSlFSdrPz6y8voNuYFbvGZft/KL0xkIrMUb+efx7UEOc2bXvo9VHgFkIK+z13iGRcrqfRAAp3PwMz3w/c/Yozoouq42oWnTFx6IPpMbNxNriwJz4Nrx0kEZh/1fNm4ZcK5uk7hkoJNzWkPexl+0uNaDY9JSlSZFOgKV/+1JO67bB81xb5HN4oqXl6xs Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 17 Jul 2020 21:13:05 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 79C4F1D2C83C; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: 17 Jul 2020 17:13:05 -0400 Message-Id: <20200717211305.79C4F1D2C83C@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: merlyn@geeks.org Subject: Re: Freebsd running on used Rack server In-Reply-To: <20200717192349.GA40739@geeks.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7kP45ChSz4YDh X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=588.5f121462.k2007 header.b=qJBFIWOD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.037]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=588.5f121462.k2007]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.981]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.14)[-1.140]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:13:14 -0000 In article <20200717192349.GA40739@geeks.org> you write: >You would want to play to FreeBSD's strengths. Ie. especially ZFS. >Ie many Dell servers would have a RAID card in them instead of a HBA for direct JBOD support. >ZFS really works best with direct access to the disks as a JBOD. My server is a Dell PowerEdge R410 with two Xeon CPUs, 32GB of RAM, and four disks set up as a pair of ZFS mirrors. Works great. My main complaint has nothing to do with FreeBSD. The iDRAC remote console software only works with Java 6 or older so I have to keep a deliberately not-updated old PC around to connect to it. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 22:34:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EC6370C3E for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7mBt3sw8z4dVx for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:34:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id q4so14473822lji.2 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:34:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=yYVdSy3zt2vsnfNyLuamIXqTbQphFPf9rdvUDxryZlg=; b=tNi2XrBHVLAcRRoqmAwargFhXiE5pc/bu5GRR99fYZB4qJOzxHQIBwvjzeRckAcPkH a4n29j1bAzZ0msxycsgHhhiXp3D1DPrNvg78QXwiDhI+iwdwsVgGa9NZ9amAmTdN6cb9 AomAen1QS8q5I4OYhI4baYF8J/3tXd+52xVEkH5e3+TK0D/TpgKwXeV7naBEqHqFL9b1 BtWvYiziUSr7iTkHZlykbOf4LcY+yEA7kF/qLPfTDmNgfmoVsRZxUZyJHN02NVpQ7+eH +Y1YtWAhOVI1JOF2Evsa2dBcUI4IYMgOIB0yWKND6KQ1NhiBGZyTwDndNWdpNeexsanF a6AQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yYVdSy3zt2vsnfNyLuamIXqTbQphFPf9rdvUDxryZlg=; b=gEJLOP+txa5g9adK7oNxzki0ibtOSDZJogXpsdRpvWjvMgGpiRMSnPQ7BGhc9HNLqT KVhGpGyOj6UmvoHP2gwNUqMB0n17y1auG/KvLl1bjpiIBYXq5brxeXetQJoWbWUTti8S z3VGLqvETPX1EZNfnBqBFiPseMj7Rukwslak/kXqRvZ7piCYU90Xv9OVQffEQIO41UPR HfHRFR5RzwdwbgSSKcObyA4XfGTJChyq4bVQuE5wYEngBPv0x1uJ6Rh/BM+rDWS4jjLk bI8tzcr2du1MbhYc203buwR+zV3FoggxzwrHvDwzqogX9WTwl+nHNJ/LdI9jdYmqce2Z 2Mkw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533NQK9IInoa4CHhevClBUatlBlDpaXf9WVZXR/zxQoGQ7xoobTP 9xmEhEhMDrFgymFoUCuxm3uSqmWpj2YtvUfTZ4wBYnAajsE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOl2wMKP5QjqgUVNKwwk0YFquItVBt6DolNz+uO2q6dNS2mAFLnwXYGFH51wYJc1/Kx65KE9y18Jw+U0ZAA2g= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:590:: with SMTP id 138mr5277044ljf.85.1595025263027; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:34:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717192349.GA40739@geeks.org> <20200717211305.79C4F1D2C83C@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: <20200717211305.79C4F1D2C83C@ary.qy> Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com From: Donald Wilde Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:34:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Freebsd running on used Rack server To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions , Doug McIntyre X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7mBt3sw8z4dVx X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=tNi2XrBH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.94 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.005]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.978]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.959]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::230:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:34:31 -0000 On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 14:13 John Levine wrote: > In article <20200717192349.GA40739@geeks.org> you write: > >You would want to play to FreeBSD's strengths. Ie. especially ZFS. > >Ie many Dell servers would have a RAID card in them instead of a HBA for > direct JBOD support. > >ZFS really works best with direct access to the disks as a JBOD. > > My server is a Dell PowerEdge R410 with two Xeon CPUs, 32GB of RAM, and > four disks > set up as a pair of ZFS mirrors. Works great. > > My main complaint has nothing to do with FreeBSD. The iDRAC remote > console software only > works with Java 6 or older so I have to keep a deliberately not-updated > old PC around to > connect to it. > I used to work for that company on the M1000 team. The iDRAC firmware was one of those nasty little projects where D forced Americans to train their Indian and Chinese replacements before laying them off to please Wall Street. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 22:49:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E61C37112C for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7mX96gBBz4fYw for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id k23so12024144iom.10 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:49:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2QXMOd+vLmQsc1OsKwFN7UXDsbHllJau9yacjVL1B54=; b=cX69L+DXsnXMMJBdMs9jo8udkW0WLM1uZFeeqDTJpb43ummkLNgl+3WqWHFvJ2VqXc VMhSnW82TZXTDOx1/xn7Ro551unsteRAee9awOj4OGXDcKe0bNSfIaiJ8Qe0UWPh68xk ZvARbYZ1edGDASuCMjuDf+1cWXYsgWxHbQpzsigTUuehcYkYeEGSx0L6vOXEZ9oMYIqn UIoipBYW6oxe4Mbzhu8Et+kwSlwdz9q6+YtSK61bFpNDaRr4wpDWT7LL0WbBSbOHMNxY /gS0RbtUtvmHSufevI/Fwo/UldJV1bj7+4Vko3eetIbErRlLogpyYiDcPk/ogw1/bYlq XtzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2QXMOd+vLmQsc1OsKwFN7UXDsbHllJau9yacjVL1B54=; b=T9mdaEomni6rS282s1m7rnOFGL/FnWxoiIOJhkP92LVs1QPlxb4A/IyQjeiH18hs97 5si2XBwetbRE+1sjcBdwRbS24lzAOYM3tL8LgcOHK/Hl9MfqIRRR/vyQ3SmEiIpTej+J 5xeY5eZoqhBBgOYP2zFoIGvl0lFwAz+2d5/N2PUoenmAfHCgY999d9XhvEm7gZRevkjt XHdJw0Yu0R3wtPEXM3hfoOqmC4Yv3YLcUPdQiKD3jfFmgji+fdDM5Bwk7Tx9zyC0uadx MBLVCYOZnmkUSxUGE+bEks7NH/BwqCqzwsu/UuGqQl1kFriPQnOjaCvEJ8JPslxDknHc JH+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531kHdypqRVEPdLzz8OYCbiuMDx2JUrgD1c8l40keK9KY9UcZ6nI JqUA2Ad7n9BD1r628to2qoIzY+TFVD60qr7YGpduCctwcJMBnw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxoqpDVcuRuMbR5fa5xk7J5QZ4FYdsPV+6aEz/xj2b9gjQ0Kwd1EjZ7roZcfLlJnJBCVMPlxS6/6+kKUQEXclg= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ccb3:: with SMTP id t19mr13191508jap.122.1595026163068; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:49:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7ded2e5d-5141-4b8d-fed4-c6e3ceecc5ce@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <7ded2e5d-5141-4b8d-fed4-c6e3ceecc5ce@nomadlogic.org> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NanoBSD and PicoBSD questions To: Pete Wright Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7mX96gBBz4fYw X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=cX69L+DX; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.16 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.861]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.973]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.128]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:49:31 -0000 Hi Pete, Thanks for the info and links which are sure to help. Best Lonnie On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 7/17/20 7:12 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I am just now coming to FreeBSD over from the Linux world. > > > > In the past,I read a little bit about a 6BM BSD version made from FreeBSd > > called MiniBSD which was only 6MB in size but unfortunately that was for > an > > i386 base and the project seems to be now dead. > > > > I am very interest possibly generating up some in ultra-thin FreeBSD > > versions for the x86_64 (AMD) platform that can be along the same size or > > smaller, of course without an xserver as I am looking into SDL & DirectFB > > to run the GUI single application (no desktop needed) that I want. > > > > On that note, I have also read that FreeBSD has some "tools" that may be > > able to generate versions of PicoBSD (around 2MB) and NanoBSD (??? MB) > so I > > have set up a FreeBSD system so that I can try to generate some ISO's if > > possible. > > > > For this project, an initial FreeBSD, or dialect, being the smaller the > > better with just the absolute bare essentials on it so that I can add > > things as needed. > > > > What I am not sure about here is how to install the FreeBSD tools that > seem > > to have the shell scripts that will generate PicoBSD and NanoBSD. > > > > I would like to be able to download a pre-built ISO of these just to see > > them run before jumping into the effort but cannot find them anywhere. > > This link is a good starting point for nanobsd: > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/nanobsd/index.html > > the scripts and configs for nanobsd are part of the source FreeBSD > distribution, so if you checkout the code nanobsd will be available in > $CHECKOUT/tools/tools/nanobsd/ > > This document provides a pretty good overview of the structure of the > project itself (assuming you are interesting in building products based > on FreeBSD): > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/building-products/article.html > > hope this helps get you pointed in the right direction. > > cheers, > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 17 23:08:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBC6371C90 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic317-27.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic317-27.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7my545R3z4grv for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-YMail-OSG: wZxsOiUVM1m_v4Iycc8Num.G3jxGW8mYeqtcJykgT59qJ9rCU_a.U1jAx6.q562 sxepctmR1MwcW8N6UoDNpGCutyk43IFb2Keqbw41KBZMZN_0AajG7YyRwvqQJ7Qy9MYkgzsQQks0 GG6jO3jYqOb9GDWbVMed0MyScck_lZX_qVmHO9L0j.9yCRUTVHa29BMAalHNefs9XS1lyE4.gR62 W_2MEZlE9RFW5MfonJE9TrgnMj4EwDAFBISY1QpQ_IvgCvpmJrlJZqx_QlrI7BrAtrXRvlNRBd46 zRfVMua_re0MVD9iqx4loBM8e3ugnuCr4Dsh_vNwuOubhQA52Zxn_E_k8I2S0ImipouhYru3hcnp 25QkQG4eT9gjcnYWIesYJ6XanGiHgr_fyrjBsUudSPM6yFG0UtDrLwA5e1HNyrKjEsehq1BKQgi5 7bqeHBpnOZjxNKntqXK20o6_5.BBRYLyxBqkqP7R52MVJ.9Xlv9yF7n0.igPjQzEp98NdWw0sgvL 966yxpIMShZ4Br3R2Xi7k2Eti8j2j.GV4PfiD63aS9jlEiaWiWj2EdQvOHap1.Xr7FpE2NZVMAex 1xPtvvlM70WMX052ii5G8e6oznhCxXG3jWao1IckyanipBox239OcIESUhwijuaM4Da_hYRpAKQJ i_typW4aTJhinbKjvQOkbxWE3DCJjUZN_30VHIsjQ5Jg8kyKfkGH0IYPre6mE6xT7PTrKWAZusDo JLNVh4TaMYHYKvGkTdT.7lw1fqWtQMWuux7NuJ8QTIv2ETnwBY48FWxSQHWgP.a0Q06OWv9tVqQZ gHU01rXQsAc12OOrcYtTWOT.SnIsobDhXM2TJ5YDhD9Vfk0inKkFRCsghq3Ia5iyO4iOi1VedNAt tz8.2BevOMv9pYSNV13FUWWaCqTwD3i35XvCyu0Blr5ZjfnlgLTlOqGU3URnwWV4Vi0Y0a4GiMad 38nSyJpy4nZZ96e.UFuSVY2tUL3VMEFuBguIWLIAjkBIiUZWBPMLeRQyA2l7UCxvG6HodFFXQxwD 285_Sr.bsUyBidGBExqibMptoL9xgb8G9qiesPkoXyiYM35ZcvmAAM9DocX1gBhB3S.OjncJIy_7 DV4WwP8kgQZECtznhdR83jbMjhlvWryEOs8ybHU.pOywJY2ZwOyY4xWMxmzwK0.OYTImTBlHpBTW jIjK_OyqNPAym7youAs7ohTWnHyNBbZxlM0ADM7USayTaCzVXSWOYY2Pq2_3OSnJ_nTD6Uj0HnXV pm5hRerej4GzuR7YYeDdXNka6IarRq1pLxJaOaEH1Tw1N__xgJSGSgXCR1f5GuFsHSnkTPFXdRVr vrM1ejoNe_eNPcT4ByVGrQQ774ALRPXw0xIIoSC1drxjXBA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic317.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:08:26 +0000 Received: by smtp406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3e26c5ce1de1d68e4e8c3085a51a8339; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:08:22 -0400 From: "Vlad D. Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bluetooth Message-Id: <20200717190822.b7e0ba50be4ec734a360877e@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7my545R3z4grv X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.91 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.052]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.011]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.129.82:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.35)[-0.351]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.129.82:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:08:30 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:27:02 +0200 Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hi friends, >=20 > Yes, I know? the subject. >=20 > I can't use my $5 bluetooth mouse on my Lenovo X280 :-( >=20 > OK, I can use my logitech wireless mouse, but it take me one usb port. :-( >=20 > So, I there some good news comming with FreeBSD 13? 14? event 15? >=20 > In fact it's annoying to see BT working out of box with Linux and not wit= hhccontrol -n ubt0hci write_authentication_enable 1 # hccontrol -n ubt0hci read_authentication_enable Authentication Enable: Enabled [1] > FreeBSD. >=20 > I don't want to blame any body. juste a feeling. >=20 > --=20 > Jacques Foucry I thought Bluetooth didn't work myself until I read an old web page (http:/= /www.oook.cz/bsd/bluetooth.html) that had a few lines I did not see in the = handbook. They are in the section about "Pairing": # hccontrol -n ubt0hci write_authentication_enable 1 # hccontrol -n ubt0hci read_authentication_enable Authentication Enable: Enabled [1] The thing I did incorrectly before that was not load the proper module to d= rive my bluetooth device. That was my mistake. I am most pleasantly surprised to have BlueTooth working. 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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:07:57 -0600 References: <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C717A43-2F59-4A15-A36A-AE96DA6CF472@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <14D16F3B-A1A2-4E0E-8497-6A44EB84E42D@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3645.0.6.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7rxt5sz4z4tTC X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.52)[-0.520]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.321]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.11)[-0.112]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:08:36 -0000 On 17 Jul 2020, at 10:32, Donald Wilde wrote: >> Otoh, I think tight now Edge is the best browser on Windows 10 >> by a pretty healthy margin. YMMV. >=20 > I'm glad you like it No w no, I never said I liked it. But, if forced to use d Win10 machine, as I sometimes am, I'd rather = used Edge on it than GG or Firefox. > but I will never use Windows again except long enough to scrape it off = a new machine. That's just not an option for some of us, sadly. --=20 Liberty means responsibility. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 02:26:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A9935812D for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12d.google.com (mail-il1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7sL05FKYz4vGp for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id x9so8929252ila.3 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Psdy8DIAJZeFyGZY/ZZfdQm+gepDynQVtlrD+RfF6i0=; b=RKIuy2RNvEHNAN+LxvxcNbVGS2urOeai2fsj57VNaWdP+0VksEEhvuppYfH/CbPG3k ZecjjGZ4JGuDvLt4lZ7MiT0CMEpMCp+AJC321IONfdljcOUF0K0/Cvgi4aA1toTvkMs4 mMhU+IUwRV4RlWv2FOwxQ4WNzbACgvXh5Jk4nkogaT/8sNM63N4wWHAXTuQTcRmtDHDj wZ2wRTia38X0M6TaCjS1QuAbhUGkhyzL9hV0AwX93HeveOqaScYvlQ10J+f9YsH5RvkJ cBH7Dg/F+V3zp4npwmg1Nwh4bcDVxC9617MjcOBm9pVXzzTPIhpZfv5nBlBfjpLsRk4B VF2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Psdy8DIAJZeFyGZY/ZZfdQm+gepDynQVtlrD+RfF6i0=; b=JxzCP3PTw5LnkJ1/xJqL3nbf0MQgal/RaADssJdElj36az63NFCLnscdUzfw+mE4lY Y3BCSUz9UBoCuBwK6zbBW1msccsdQhHO20QlTAzaAEY/jvzfjuNPXdjKX9WYR6yfpFAf 6+49EUbrWMio6KMpf4yNgPwkSM0kt4WgpJ6cTcaNe3zUVG9Lims6ajK+QzDlYHKKwOp3 EKwELPRzvFXQbGUVjT97qWSW7uLgoRR2p8UDfT8mXuGsMEvGymmCVblTyfxwKZuApqiP IygBJg6Iraa1nczZ0IJdP1MXw6AmQn7Kcl2VEGPpMqEYSum7eFCCJz/opeEe2q6xp6Ls quOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532I+5JhmT0cPIRcpbU9NJoHHvhAEkV6DiWADwcB3ovXEhLmTLqn 21eoaRd1pAQe9oBYhCc/CDrZ21mmhxjdtXIn6m6feh/9silYew== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxbawQuOAQaJu/PnzPF4TdGfdtrfKLu5LFGXS3ePK5cfdKJ6DGdN6+gZjhysP4WzXkY2I6qIQHBSUpFNIwi5GQ= X-Received: by 2002:a92:8b11:: with SMTP id i17mr12448669ild.212.1595039159291; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:25:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:25:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: mfsBSD Question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B7sL05FKYz4vGp X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=RKIuy2RN; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.05)[-0.048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.21)[0.211]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.33)[0.331]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:26:02 -0000 Hi All, Not sure if this is the correct mailing list to post this question, so I do apologize if it is not. I am trying to learn my way through building the "mini" (about 27MB) mfsBSD (64-bit AMD) for FeeBSD RELEASE 12.1 and came across these instructions: https://hashbang0.com/2019/02/07/setting-up-mfsbsd-for-receiving-zfs-snapshots-on-systems-with-low-memory/ ---------------------------------- root@bil-bsd # cd /var/tmp # Fetch the FreeBSD ISO root@bil-bsd # fetch https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso # Mount the ISO root@bil-bsd # mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f /var/tmp/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso root@bil-bsd # mount_cd9660 /dev/md10 /mnt/ # Clone the mfsbsd repo root@bil-bsd # git clone https://github.com/mmatuska/mfsbsd.git root@bil-bsd # cd mfsbsd root@bil-bsd # cd conf root@bil-bsd # cp loader.conf.sample loader.conf root@bil-bsd # cat << EOF >> loader.conf vm.kmem_size="330M" vm.kmem_size_max="330M" vfs.zfs.arc_max="40M" vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size="5M" EOF root@bil-bsd # cd .. root@bil-bsd # make iso BASE=/mnt/usr/freebsd-dist RELEASE=12.1-RELEASE ------------------------------------ The catch is that they do not seem to be for the mini distro, but for the full mfsBSD distro. The current pre-built mini edition on the Project home page ( https://mfsbsd.vx.sk/) seem to have a problem with my builtin Broadcom wireless and gets stuck in an "Error 5" loop so I want to try and be able to build a new "mini" with the proper module for the Boradcom wireless, or find a way that it will over-step that part and continue to boot up since the booting process does not complete right now on my real hardware. What is the step call in the "make iso ..." above to produce the mini iso (27 MB)? Do I call it from the main directory or from within the "mini" sub-directory? Thanks Any help would be appreciated Cheers, Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 06:16:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE34E35EA45 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20004926524.66a5312215496e97a5af4cfe7b81d4d4@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7yRW4kfQz3d2Q for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20004926524.66a5312215496e97a5af4cfe7b81d4d4@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595052968; x=1597644968; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=pbVn873yKRZPm5QM6onPAZS4uEpt+t2lmjRR2qtIW+Y=; b=wGY3ZKuxNo9uoLCqDFh9MvL6xPEzoZztfHv3FgoYTyQ6QZeusQrapMDQlcMj4q29OoHxUA/1LV8u9K4ouW0w9dnZ52l10O9SOuRTng7b1hjdcbm2ROlqCJrjld1j0nI+0qCZ0/ubGzJ5Yz9nF2kmkq8V3/WPX3gfm4X6/sh0jX8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDQ5MjY1MjQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:16:05 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:16:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jwg8h-000I2E-9B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:16:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:16:03 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! 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YMMV. Mine did when I tried it, I use mostly FF and Chrome when FF fails. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 10:09:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B899A363594 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B83cM4S02z44pC for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (lfbn-idf2-1-434-144.w86-246.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.246.142.144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75B0911386 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:08:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1595066937; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8kiCOKZH2oHzbnVkyLT6/0kb1+IJe93otQ/5pK7pU4E=; b=KVI8EQyZuOURDLKk7Yu5GA8slxc+tfPrYVP4tSudol9AF/fric9rECXMbW/J2zHItKmViY dfa4i5WT1TYKTNruXCuAoRd8ilO8R/82HxhUXCZTVYyL651M7zV33Lj7OGJZBtyjCsgJYC 11HmhToiqVTg2Us4qmz7voBtnlunpN8= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6138E11619 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:08:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:08:56 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bluetooth Message-ID: <20200718100856.GA55754@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> <20200717190030.GD30026@mithril> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.60 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.foucry.net X-Spam-Score: -2.60 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B83cM4S02z44pC X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=KVI8EQyZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.016]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.780]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 10:09:08 -0000 Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 22:14:21 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO crit: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:00 PM Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 18:24:14 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO crit: > > > How about bthid? :-) > > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bthidd(8) > > Well, I tried. > > Please google for bthid usage examples. Sure it would be nice to have > bthid example in the Handbook.. maybe you could add one if you make it > work. Below are some references that may come handy..? :-) > > http://ninjin-weblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/wiimote-under-freebsd-using-bsdmoted.html > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bluetooth-mouse-problem.40088/ > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-bluetooth.html Well, I've already google on it, read many tutorials, read several times the handbook, do all my job but stil no chance. In fact there is no ubt mention in dmesg (I just did a complete power cyle) dmesg | grep ubt The only bluetooth mention is that: dmesg | grep blue WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() seems the Lenovo X280 bluetooth ship is not seen by the kernel FreeBSD mithril 12.1-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p7 GENERIC amd64 May be I should ask the hardware mailing list. Could it be because my laptop is docked? I check the BIOS/UEFI, bluetooth is enabled. 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YMMV. If you are using the standard version of Edge, you might be interested in moving to the 'Edge-Dev' version. It is the best browser I have ever used, is way faster than FF and offers far more useful tools than FF eve did. If you use the 'Dev' version, you will receive one of the most complete and concise notice of changes, new features, bugs, etcetera every week (usually Tuesday) of any software I have ever used. You also get to actually converse with the developers and report problems or request new features. I have done it several times with great success. There is a Linux version that is supposed to be released later this year. I requested a version be made available for FreeBSD. A member of the development team contacted me an stated that they are considering versions for operating systems other then Linux; however, the systems maturity and stability along with the potential user base would be some of the factors taken into consideration before undertaking the task. 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.47)[-0.466]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.57)[0.565]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[45.127.44.94:received]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.71.86:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:21 -0000 On 2020-07-18 15:38, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 à 22:14:21 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO à écrit: >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 9:00 PM Jacques Foucry wrote: >>> Le vendredi 17 juil. 2020 à 18:24:14 (+0200), Tomasz CEDRO à écrit: >>>> How about bthid? :-) >>>> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?bthidd(8) >>> Well, I tried. >> >> Please google for bthid usage examples. Sure it would be nice to have >> bthid example in the Handbook.. maybe you could add one if you make it >> work. Below are some references that may come handy..? :-) >> >> http://ninjin-weblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/wiimote-under-freebsd-using-bsdmoted.html >> >> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bluetooth-mouse-problem.40088/ >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-bluetooth.html > > > Well, I've already google on it, read many tutorials, read several times the > handbook, do all my job but stil no chance. > > In fact there is no ubt mention in dmesg (I just did a complete power cyle) > > dmesg | grep ubt > > > The only bluetooth mention is that: > > dmesg | grep blue > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() > > seems the Lenovo X280 bluetooth ship is not seen by the kernel > > FreeBSD mithril 12.1-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p7 GENERIC amd64 > > May be I should ask the hardware mailing list. > > Could it be because my laptop is docked? > > I check the BIOS/UEFI, bluetooth is enabled. > > Anyway, thanks for your help. > Hi Jacques, AFAIK, no bluetooth adapters of the current generation are supported by FreeBSD. The last time I checked - a couple of months back - there was no bluetooth adapter available in the market which could work with FreeBSD. 10% of them work with Linux. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 13:27:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F6136A23C for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B881c38MJz4KS5 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 06IDReoV068062 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:27:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 06IDReeK068061 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:27:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:27:40 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: questions list Subject: pkg: repository meta /var/db/pkg/FreeBSD.meta has wrong version 2 Message-ID: <20200718132740.GA19756@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B881c38MJz4KS5 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.74 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.62)[0.617]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.946]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.979]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:27:49 -0000 I just updated one of my systems from 11.2-stable to 11.4-stable and when I attempt to update the packages I now get this: root@amidala:1 /var/db/pkg> pkg upgrade Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... pkg: repository meta /var/db/pkg/FreeBSD.meta has wrong version 2 pkg: Repository FreeBSD load error: meta cannot be loaded No error: 0 Fetching meta.txz: 100% 916 B 0.9kB/s 00:01 pkg: repository meta /var/db/pkg/FreeBSD.meta has wrong version 2 repository FreeBSD has no meta file, using default settings Fetching packagesite.txz: 100% 6 MiB 2.1MB/s 00:03 pkg: repository meta /var/db/pkg/FreeBSD.meta has wrong version 2 pkg: Repository FreeBSD load error: meta cannot be loaded No error: 0 Unable to open created repository FreeBSD Unable to update repository FreeBSD Error updating repositories! What can I do to correct the version of the FreeBSD.meta? I tried removing everything from the /var/db/pkg directory but that didn't help. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. 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To: Don Wilde Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B893J3hrWz4McL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pBarRmEI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of edscottwilsongarcia@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=edscottwilsongarcia@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.43 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.439]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.036]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.958]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:14:21 -0000 At times I do need something or other from MS for work (my company IT is totally corrupted by MS). The only way I will use windoze10 is on a virtual machine. So far it works fine and it guarantees El jue., 16 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 15:20, Don Wilde (dwilde1@gmail.com) escribi=C3=B3: > The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 boot > loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows > boot loader'. > > The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my > old boot files are gone. > > It's taken me much of the morning to get underneath this, since on this > unit my only OS (other than Doze 10) with a WM and GUI is Ubuntu. > > That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s > tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every > vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- Dr. Edscott Wilson Garcia Reservoir Engineering Mexican Petroleum Institute From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 15:34:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0004036CAD5 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8Bqw5BLtz4QRs for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 06IFYUxY024095; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Lonnie Cumberland cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mfsBSD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8Bqw5BLtz4QRs X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@monochrome.org has no SPF policy when checking 71.163.255.121) smtp.mailfrom=chris@monochrome.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.26)[-0.260]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.16)[0.155]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.65)[-0.651]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[monochrome.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:34:38 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > I am trying to learn my way through building the "mini" (about 27MB) > mfsBSD (64-bit AMD) for FeeBSD RELEASE 12.1 and came across these > instructions: > > https://hashbang0.com/2019/02/07/setting-up-mfsbsd-for-receiving-zfs-snapshots-on-systems-with-low-memory/ > > ---------------------------------- > root@bil-bsd # cd /var/tmp > > # Fetch the FreeBSD ISO > root@bil-bsd # fetch > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso You downloaded the ISO for the full-fat FreeBSD. If you want the "mini" one, perhaps look at https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-mini-memstick.img ...there doesn't seem to be an ISO as such. Hope this helps. [ snip ] -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 16:10:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2B736DA40 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8Cdn5V2Zz4S8c for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:10:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id d18so13462285ion.0 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G0RgEHv+jHzAFFPyfvAOtcj3ptCrjODrtNFk5xXUVtw=; b=ZzzvEHej67EnT2qg8DvWzInHI1SInzCmWzb+KKcMkkdiVKpf7foUBwO9k2yHho32u7 3rzan6wacwaWwH30ncVaJaBFUYPQS4LxbY1IY0JAaHQmdzoWwp05WH2pDQQ3oreR0Tea 2T3xmMkyMfwAv2M9WOAi48/YI2O9SwOaBxVTHQeuQiD5ytVtBPhNCuOJKA1xEesZJMNV MqRUx3K9zqs5toXQQZGA6LTmhI8pg9tqxhEqI5k9CeJq0rbSB/8rAt7yI39uUAGgZLSv K6Qyan6X4rDiNOwPKOqQUKKGT0YtHREXADmopePwWRWICGL5S2Hn1aKcypqveAgT2Co8 V11w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G0RgEHv+jHzAFFPyfvAOtcj3ptCrjODrtNFk5xXUVtw=; b=aTE/nUh1JMYqj9IDwdv8D9mi5B8ZJOGmidjgFrCGGL1M5xecXojahEHhbiJ9p3SyTj nsyS6gaTMxkvxbotCoAyCSStQcRbDdh0UM7tpfC2M/x50X93ue8S0gNhxjNWpFaE/bn+ Ai3GcVX9hT4NZGJERk3o7VmY270jRixkdyBaGCV8ObCFjqiv5PpIjjXBAU+RskF5+hes fEDJhQCOzsf1IcKmBqSHkeJHQtuwPPzGWpYw4CTlECOo9d2lEo+HWYFnBNGoEz7SWJbM 4uAnFgmk3T1vozkfOCFXxOzWV8Tvk+x1L8Nl7QI1/XKUYmQn4ltsEIq5HkOlF979+b3t R1lA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533PNWyFUReseuGiYB1E6USKGEwEAM57py8aBJPNaYqdJ0q5nM1R oBXBdAW2JseL8FlLBxG80OrmEBow7rvNLxxnZEPzpGWZFAQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw7g/9EaXomyR8AA6RG5D/cnhueBL/0VKRk19BFN3+aH7wkgpwrN8euLoALmnLWYD/0LGMvnZjqwaDGQFSqtMc= X-Received: by 2002:a02:7419:: with SMTP id o25mr16346467jac.46.1595088652407; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:10:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:10:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mfsBSD Question To: Chris Hill Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8Cdn5V2Zz4S8c X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=ZzzvEHej; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.901]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.13)[0.132]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:10:54 -0000 Hi Chris, Thanks for the response. I'm a bit confused on this then, as using the full FreeBSd 12.1 RELEASE distro, I was able to build a 90MB image of the mfsBSD with no problems and then it seems that you actually have to do a "make clean", "make extract BASE= ....." and then "cd into" the mini directory to do the "make iso ....", but some of the applications are not there. I will try as you suggest also Cheers On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:34 AM Chris Hill wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jul 2020, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > > I am trying to learn my way through building the "mini" (about 27MB) > > mfsBSD (64-bit AMD) for FeeBSD RELEASE 12.1 and came across these > > instructions: > > > > > https://hashbang0.com/2019/02/07/setting-up-mfsbsd-for-receiving-zfs-snapshots-on-systems-with-low-memory/ > > > > ---------------------------------- > > root@bil-bsd # cd /var/tmp > > > > # Fetch the FreeBSD ISO > > root@bil-bsd # fetch > > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso > > You downloaded the ISO for the full-fat FreeBSD. If you want the "mini" > one, perhaps look at > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-mini-memstick.img > ...there doesn't seem to be an ISO as such. > > Hope this helps. > > [ snip ] > > > -- > Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 20:24:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6969E373200 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadowomf@arcor.de) Received: from mx009.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net (mx009.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net [153.92.174.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8KGC16P7z3SN4 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shadowomf@arcor.de) Received: from vsmx002.vodafonemail.xion.oxcs.net (unknown [192.168.75.192]) by mta-6-out.mta.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CF1604672 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.86.1.1] (unknown [46.142.5.193]) by mta-6-out.mta.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7C7C760464B for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:14 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christoph Harder Subject: defaultrouter in rc.conf not working Autocrypt: addr=shadowomf@arcor.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mJMEXtfqExMJKyQDAwIIAQENBAMEiOcnS1zkzUiN69dDauTzK5rciVyTl/TETRsSY3UZPTyG DtzqCJV3gkmw8+8nfsABrct9Kes2nZcQS4Z1mYjNSjKqBrFjnOuzs2aKP9HVOxbq2O0/uQt+ dNKj/0/OQ277YkcgmSZxLtEyFFxZ+oG/lEH1GTRG/4sQIJlYBMAD3yq0JUNocmlzdG9waCBI YXJkZXIgPHNoYWRvd29tZkBhcmNvci5kZT6I1gQTEwoAPhYhBJvciSrfzNhHg1EzkaNiR58/ CtwGBQJe1+ozAhsjBQkKfRgdBQsJCAcCBhUKCQgLAgQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEKNiR58/CtwG lA4B/jca5VP9NhR9JsW+SPYYokMt3CcW9xasxukupfjmXo31yjrkNvL9ibwbs1s8d2/wg7I0 Rwlj1uwPdUowGMP0A0gB/3Yh2WGLlseMZHwcp3Or+u67dxB5UJ3HmUkNA4IaITrWGm4spTDp n/jOycSa1/OPHPqrNAhPtukPsWi8Zn2qG6i4lwRe1+oTEgkrJAMDAggBAQ0EAwRzV2Ra5qRU wy+lalkkrRSklVgYIhKX9H4cgfbsmT+hrjs2XQFVRj2kKz5dvBVMTpO+cyxzzflHfwNJqwm4 o/zeO25U2gplF3D19ObC7KSCBSyIopX+cp0r9Zyj+LO9BXXuy6TF0N2Oe2HLAVeyEdHc1PCu Op4hmD1g5BCHNx4zgAMBCgmIvgQYEwoAJhYhBJvciSrfzNhHg1EzkaNiR58/CtwGBQJe1+oT AhsMBQkKfRgdAAoJEKNiR58/CtwGJwYB/39UIRXG5RcGddpOoHY95z1nlSwPC1RPwEVBp39T hPuWeKI1l6KIh9uOuGUZt8Q37OX7eRv1Fq46qi0tSow9CpIB/1qn/rd05ShB+K31WRefy7mW q0vLe7Kbxcn7uXDOQ0niDmdAjpgZjXU3+7enaCD/vEMMc1geuxKDwdF4kd6+VNM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:24:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-VADE-STATUS: LEGIT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8KGC16P7z3SN4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shadowomf@arcor.de designates 153.92.174.39 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shadowomf@arcor.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.61 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[153.92.174.39:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[arcor.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.924]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[arcor.de]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:153.92.174.0/24]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[153.92.174.39:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.306]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.881]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[arcor.de]; ASN(0.00)[asn:60664, ipnet:153.92.174.0/24, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.142.5.193:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:20 -0000 Hello everybody, I do have one net interface configured in rc.conf and I do have one defaultrouter="10.0.0.1" entry. But when booting the system I don't have a matching default route when I enter netstat -r, in fact I don't see any default route. However when I add the default route by hand using route add default 10.0.0.1 the route work. I checked the rc.conf for typos, but found none. Can you give me a hint what else might be the problem? Why is FreeBSD not creating the default route on start? 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Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: defaultrouter in rc.conf not working To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <4a0a7e59-abe6-2ffc-1139-f7d1e88c761d@yuripv.dev> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:35:33 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8KWG0ssDz3Syw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=i2Uv7XWT; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=k6Vjcfqh; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 64.147.123.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.13 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yuripv.dev:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; 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Can you give me a hint what else might be the problem? Why is FreeBSD not creating the default route on start? Providing that network interface configuration from rc.conf would help. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 18 20:51:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E2373C3A for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:51:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "GoGetSSL RSA DV CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8Ksk6bDGz3VJk for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:51:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=IsTRhW9NEpvViD3IE/lY2Vyec96jr+3W0dvMY91+0J80Oyo9q7mZY4RXM8W7WTWBv0 Q4SHc74bzafIYL7gC8DrPhf7xk/69ODGwiz9xiWNxxzqhkwU25+7DOwDESCxz5FO7Krc nASvtEWenNXYb73Cut8QFLkn9RTZdq3Uf0OyY4xbth7wbwlnd514g+gBXY6JwwM+uymv uaysa12CuP6JPp4+qorZSXwl8I3GbRce0lRzxWd3NwgayvN04s4YZxjj499ZYEdLOwye MD0Hn9ownWQY9zOJ22i/RAsGph7dRHaqdWVt3loXj9VAY85ajWNbeQ5BCuHZGWPikEPQ sHsw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1595105492; x=1595710292; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=Jh/kHrOwRrh 2uFPuTEdBYfMzHAtDsEqOUe8h4tIuT2w=; b=RpWvghtwc1oLHxh2tZ9gH3tmMpY Ud6De01BmwKNQSnAIAk1wS7ygq5yj8e/qkBpJZjyrVVkS6UCj75umGBp7wQRIe+Z naffelnWdbp07rMlG3+tk12kb1bqBA+an3xxl8AVHsGtc+mf5QrDorOj7Xbo4Nvi S+kx7noarbQfv4F4qLXGRYBYuLPjiP2yOA1ZNvRbVtDbEkpPT2Tb8nzw5nzF3vP9 XUqtospuovDrHtG8hEHcIJZx7zSO2S2EnEj/vAG2fWjdDeZHUQ+ATymtCs7YCLz2 6NBSEUn5LnSeVOa6KSaoQFZbqOQq5pQbg96XMP1CAa9gLXjLZlGPlDrvwFA== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:695c:a844:eb7:8394] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 2193073 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:51:32 +0000 Subject: Re: defaultrouter in rc.conf not working To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <1a2e329a-cdd7-518d-6aca-7ac36f4a1c5e@radel.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:51:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms020804090905010909060906" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8Ksk6bDGz3VJk X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=radel.com header.s=20170108.radel header.b=RpWvghtw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=radel.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@radel.com designates 70.184.242.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@radel.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[radel.com:s=20170108.radel]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:70.184.242.160/28]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[radel.com]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.026]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.016]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[radel.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[radel.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.345]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.184.240.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:51:40 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020804090905010909060906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 7/18/20 16:24, Christoph Harder wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I do have one net interface configured in rc.conf and I do have one def= aultrouter=3D"10.0.0.1" entry. > But when booting the system I don't have a matching default route when = I enter netstat -r, in fact I don't see any default route. > However when I add the default route by hand using route add default 10= =2E0.0.1 the route work. > > I checked the rc.conf for typos, but found none. Can you give me a hint= what else might be the problem? Why is FreeBSD not creating the default = route on start? > Show us! At very, very minimum show us your rc.conf and netstat -r before and after hand changes. And maybe the FreeBSD version? Please do keep in mind that your telling us "I checked rc.conf for typos and there aren't any, but could you folks who aren't allowed to see rc.conf tell me what's wrong with it" seems to be playing somewhat unfair.=C2=A0 :-) You're not mixing getting address from DHCP with setting a static default route are you?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Probably not, but that's the kind of g= uessing that I do when I can't see what you've done. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms020804090905010909060906 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC C9owggXmMIIDzqADAgECAhBqm+E4O/8ra58B1dm4p1JWMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBDAUAMIGFMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFDT01PRE8gQ0EgTGltaXRlZDErMCkGA1UEAxMiQ09NT0RPIFJTQSBD 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