From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 19:14:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A350823F139 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Received: from mail.rlwinm.de (mail.rlwinm.de [138.201.35.217]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48LGyj3jM5z3FkC for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crest@rlwinm.de) Received: from hexe.rlwinm.de (200116b864710000feaa14fffe7af214.dip.versatel-1u1.de [IPv6:2001:16b8:6471:0:feaa:14ff:fe7a:f214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rlwinm.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC5D91C491 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: PAM modules; pthreads not reliably dispatching background threads :(. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <9E850062-AA7F-4A0F-98B2-7FBE8B58AE76@truespeed.com> <1F45763E-08A1-4308-A77A-B5CA30CF3909@truespeed.com> From: Jan Bramkamp Message-ID: <410daeeb-df13-fa7d-2c58-302222f9d87d@rlwinm.de> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:14:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F45763E-08A1-4308-A77A-B5CA30CF3909@truespeed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48LGyj3jM5z3FkC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of crest@rlwinm.de designates 138.201.35.217 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=crest@rlwinm.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rlwinm.de]; IP_SCORE(-1.88)[ip: (-8.82), ipnet: 138.201.0.0/16(1.01), asn: 24940(-1.56), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[4.1.2.f.a.7.e.f.f.f.4.1.a.a.e.f.0.0.0.0.1.7.4.6.8.b.6.1.1.0.0.2.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:138.201.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:14:54 -0000 On 09.02.20 12:25, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Has anyone got any experience with PAM and pthreads? > > We’re using a 2FA module (pam_yubico https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pam_yubico&sektion=8 ). > > It’s proving unreliable. Digging deeper it uses libcurl to communication to an HTTP endpoint, and libcurl is using pthreads for to make asynchronous DNS lookup requests. > > It seems that the pthreads are not being handled reliably within the PAM runtime context - the background threads do not complete or dispatch. It’s very strange. > > The problem doesn’t happen if we use the same code running from a user land process. The pthreads are reliably in this context. > > Is there a known issue with PAM and pthreads? Hints are that there are (https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=214540 ). But that problem was reported 3 years ago! > > HELP! > > If you know something I’d really appreciate a steer! Is the "host" process multithreaded or at least built with Pthread support? From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Feb 16 20:50:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BB3241F3F for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@truespeed.com) Received: from mail.truespeed.com (mail.truespeed.com [31.210.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48LK4j30ZQz3PHF for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@truespeed.com) Received: from dspam.truespeed.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.truespeed.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 94341528571 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wormhole.home (host109-157-112-44.range109-157.btcentralplus.com [109.157.112.44]) (Authenticated sender: joe@truespeed.com) by mail.truespeed.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AB6A528566; Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Subject: Re: PAM modules; pthreads not reliably dispatching background threads :(. From: Dr Josef Karthauser In-Reply-To: <410daeeb-df13-fa7d-2c58-302222f9d87d@rlwinm.de> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:03 +0000 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9E850062-AA7F-4A0F-98B2-7FBE8B58AE76@truespeed.com> <1F45763E-08A1-4308-A77A-B5CA30CF3909@truespeed.com> <410daeeb-df13-fa7d-2c58-302222f9d87d@rlwinm.de> To: Jan Bramkamp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48LK4j30ZQz3PHF X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of joe@truespeed.com designates 31.210.26.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=joe@truespeed.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.913,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:31.210.26.210/32]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[truespeed.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.815,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NAME_HAS_TITLE(1.00)[dr]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: GB(-0.07)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51048, ipnet:31.210.24.0/21, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[44.112.157.109.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 20:50:14 -0000 > On 16 Feb 2020, at 19:14, Jan Bramkamp wrote: >=20 > On 09.02.20 12:25, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: >> Hi Folks, >>=20 >> Has anyone got any experience with PAM and pthreads? >>=20 > Is the "host" process multithreaded or at least built with Pthread = support? The pam library (libyubikey) links to libcurl, which uses pthreads. = I=E2=80=99ve added debug statements and compiled, and it=E2=80=99s = definitely not running code in the pthread that was dispatched. Cheers, Joe From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Feb 17 21:29:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190EB247949; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48LxvN71Pdz4FdK; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1129) id E939211FFE; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:29:20 +0000 From: Li-Wen Hsu To: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD CI Weekly Report 2020-02-16 Message-ID: <20200217212920.GA97262@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-To: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 21:29:21 -0000 (Please send the followup to freebsd-testing@ and note Reply-To is set.) FreeBSD CI Weekly Report 2020-02-16 =================================== Here is a summary of the FreeBSD Continuous Integration results for the period from 2020-02-10 to 2020-02-16. During this period, we have: * 2180 builds (90.7% (+3.4) passed, 9.3% (-3.4) failed) of buildworld and buildkernel (GENERIC and LINT) were executed on aarch64, amd64, armv6, armv7, i386, mips, mips64, powerpc, powerpc64, powerpcspe, riscv64, sparc64 architectures for head, stable/12, stable/11 branches. * 336 test runs (60.1% (-1.6) passed, 29.5% (+1.4) unstable, 10.4% (-0.2) exception) were executed on amd64, i386, riscv64 architectures for head, stable/12, stable/11 branches. * 33 doc and www builds (97% (+1.0) passed, 3.0% (-1.0) failed) Test case status (on 2020-02-16 23:59): | Branch/Architecture | Total | Pass | Fail | Skipped | | ------------------- | ---------- | ---------- | ------ | -------- | | head/amd64 | 7738 (+65) | 7646 (+49) | 0 (-5) | 92 (+21) | | head/i386 | 7736 (+65) | 7640 (+45) | 0 (-4) | 96 (+24) | | 12-STABLE/amd64 | 7543 (+23) | 7494 (+25) | 0 (0) | 49 (-2) | | 12-STABLE/i386 | 7541 (+23) | 7484 (+22) | 0 (0) | 57 (+1) | | 11-STABLE/amd64 | 6871 (+10) | 6824 (+13) | 0 (0) | 47 (-3) | | 11-STABLE/i386 | 6869 (+10) | 6820 (+10) | 0 (0) | 49 (0) | (The statistics from experimental jobs are omitted) If any of the issues found by CI are in your area of interest or expertise please investigate the PRs listed below. The latest web version of this report is available at https://hackmd.io/@FreeBSD-CI/report-20200216 and archive is available at https://hackmd.io/@FreeBSD-CI/ , any help is welcome. ## Regression * `dtrace -c` causes program dumps core after somewhere between (r357694, r357701] https://bugs.freebsd.org/244053 * Lock-order reversals triggered by tests under sys.net.if_lagg_test.* on i386 https://bugs.freebsd.org/244163 Discovered by newly endabled sys.net.* tests. ([r357857](https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/357857)) * sys.net.if_lagg_test.lacp_linkstate_destroy_stress panics i386 kernel https://bugs.freebsd.org/244168 Discovered by newly endabled sys.net.* tests. ([r357857](https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/357857)) * (test case) sys.geom.class.multipath.misc.fail_on_error (on 12-STABLE) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244158 ## Fixed tests * sys.netipsec.tunnel.aes_cbc_128_hmac_sha1.v4 https://bugs.freebsd.org/244077 ## Failing and Flaky tests (from experimental jobs) * https://ci.freebsd.org/job/FreeBSD-head-amd64-dtrace_test/ * cddl.usr.sbin.dtrace.common.misc.t_dtrace_contrib.tst_dynopt_d * https://bugs.freebsd.org/237641 * https://ci.freebsd.org/job/FreeBSD-head-amd64-test_zfs/ * There are ~13 failing and ~109 skipped cases, including flakey ones, see https://ci.freebsd.org/job/FreeBSD-head-amd64-test_zfs/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ for more details * Work for cleaning these failing cass are in progress * https://ci.freebsd.org/job/FreeBSD-head-amd64-test_ltp/ * Total 3670 tests (+0), 2290 success (+13), 574 failures (-13), 806 skipped (0) ## Disabled Tests * sys.fs.tmpfs.mount_test.large https://bugs.freebsd.org/212862 * sys.fs.tmpfs.link_test.kqueue https://bugs.freebsd.org/213662 * sys.kqueue.libkqueue.kqueue_test.main https://bugs.freebsd.org/233586 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__PT_KILL_competing_stop https://bugs.freebsd.org/220841 * lib.libc.regex.exhaust_test.regcomp_too_big (i386 only) https://bugs.freebsd.org/237450 * sys.netinet.socket_afinet.socket_afinet_bind_zero https://bugs.freebsd.org/238781 * sys.netpfil.pf.names.names * sys.netpfil.pf.synproxy.synproxy https://bugs.freebsd.org/238870 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_child_detached_unrelated_debugger https://bugs.freebsd.org/239292 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_both_attached_unrelated_debugger https://bugs.freebsd.org/239397 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__parent_sees_exit_after_child_debugger https://bugs.freebsd.org/239399 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_parent_detached_unrelated_debugger https://bugs.freebsd.org/239425 * lib.libc.gen.getmntinfo_test.getmntinfo_test https://bugs.freebsd.org/240049 * sys.sys.qmath_test.qdivq_s64q https://bugs.freebsd.org/240219 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__getppid https://bugs.freebsd.org/240510 * lib.libc.sys.stat_test.stat_socket https://bugs.freebsd.org/240621 * lib.libarchive.functional_test.test_write_filter_zstd https://bugs.freebsd.org/240683 * lib.libcasper.services.cap_dns.dns_test.main https://bugs.freebsd.org/241435 * local.kyua.* (31 cases) & local.lutok.* (3 cases) on 11-i386 https://ci.freebsd.org/job/FreeBSD-stable-11-i386-test/2278/testReport/ * sys.geom.class.multipath.failloop.failloop https://bugs.freebsd.org/242689 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__procdesc_reparent_wait_child https://bugs.freebsd.org/243605 * skip sys.geom.class.multipath.failloop.failloop (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244053 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__parent_wait_after_attach (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244055 * sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__parent_exits_before_child (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244056 * sys.net.if_lagg_test.witness (i386, new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244163 * PipePdfork.WildcardWait in sys.capsicum.capsicum-test.main (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244165 * sys.net.if_lagg_test.lacp_linkstate_destroy_stress (i386, new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244168 * sys.netinet6.frag6.frag6_07.frag6_07 (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244170 * sys.netinet.fibs_test.udp_dontroute6 (new) https://bugs.freebsd.org/244172 ## Issues ### Cause build fails * https://bugs.freebsd.org/233735 Possible build race: genoffset.o /usr/src/sys/sys/types.h: error: machine/endian.h: No such file or directory * https://bugs.freebsd.org/233769 Possible build race: ld: error: unable to find library -lgcc_s ### Cause kernel panics * https://bugs.freebsd.org/238870 sys.netpfil.pf.names.names and sys.netpfil.pf.synproxy.synproxy cause panic Patch exists: * https://reviews.freebsd.org/D20868 * https://reviews.freebsd.org/D20869 ### Open * https://bugs.freebsd.org/237403 Tests in sys/opencrypto should be converted to Python3 * https://bugs.freebsd.org/237641 Flakey test case: common.misc.t_dtrace_contrib.tst_dynopt_d * https://bugs.freebsd.org/237656 "Freed UMA keg (rtentry) was not empty (18 items). Lost 1 pages of memory." seen when running sys/netipsec tests * https://bugs.freebsd.org/238781 sys.netinet.socket_afinet.socket_afinet_bind_zero does not work when mac_portacl(4) loaded * https://bugs.freebsd.org/239292 Flakey test case: sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_child_detached_unrelated_debugger * https://bugs.freebsd.org/239397 Flakey test case: sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_both_attached_unrelated_debugger * https://bugs.freebsd.org/239399 Flakey test case: sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__parent_sees_exit_after_child_debugger * https://bugs.freebsd.org/239425 Flakey test case: sys.kern.ptrace_test.ptrace__follow_fork_parent_detached_unrelated_debugger * https://bugs.freebsd.org/241662 Flakey test case: lib.libarchive.functional_test.test_fuzz_iso9660 ### Others * [Tickets related to testing@](https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9maauwg) From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 03:23:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42831251ADB for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 03:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48M5mQ6vfWz4L5P for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 03:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id 66so18164615otd.9 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:23:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SmmrkeFr2UH+V1XVupfPyMbWkCiTdh7jfbBq76v+4q4=; b=M9Qy84pcUmvv8s2IRVNQuB+GRSKP4NKHEKhFj/p1PZI96UwB399hgPCRzj7KehvFNa /aOmJ+VFJVHLDdJEdiP6FR72kCM/QoFsl5l463fIJWWY4bA8kT83TBNp6oZUD40SCBmh /w5Ju4nFXPyKm3KCcd6Mkti1IaFm5oSAFVi//IlltfZ6WLCD/hDqeORNyAPKLqXP2I7+ DPTnKJF1M91BizGXF4esP9z8lzaABQ0udKqQiHx9cgpQzCVhOax43DwolT18oBEH+Z6/ koFnT9OsC1xSd3ZI4Ir6lXc3jF+8snVk85AAED3ZS4gjJGhAOzz+5kZcZZFIpVkp89cB 5rFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SmmrkeFr2UH+V1XVupfPyMbWkCiTdh7jfbBq76v+4q4=; b=Uon4BiZAw95p3xBzwMbTuLrz3HZRZiKA14g359BIlW91LghVihQOwrB7gJP7dmpmdL x73aS0NqYu7JtMNkg8wuDrqvbxETIq5YDQ86fujapLX0CAjU2DvonLcm3+epoghJTobg GDAWZCMQ4FIE2FIIP8srWhYL5QcaxelThIdmSPTfVOIRt/t9CvuSTaHniicjEFHzvrs5 XMLsZHSZUn6RAsNVi3r2dsx+kq/TZ5ZnO66qyrxuB1X4p3U3vVCTg5Ubx+g+ybvZTxcY ENngmkb0ffprVHVVVoJFmi/xcabp38oUZwv1Sq4kvEQGgzbDTRtIO4Q5JmY0Pnsxk/Rk f7nQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVFyNjdkHQ9SNTxemu4dqwfwVCdS9hDSGw4P3igxlEOwUAfL++n d72ZoEipkV7bQ0iW1A7caKFP9g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxRq6WgRK60WGPh9MACvCJCKr4RudrLOGpHXSd2ndAki1YDgf8gLzfuinugPV0fzJ/KYcRUYA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:88:: with SMTP id a8mr1179572oto.177.1581996228702; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com. [209.85.167.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm886829ote.80.2020.02.17.19.23.48 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q84so18759711oic.4; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:23:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:aca:d5d3:: with SMTP id m202mr11342oig.161.1581996227644; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:23:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 04:23:35 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48M5mQ6vfWz4L5P X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=M9Qy84pc; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::334) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.18)[ip: (-7.26), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 03:23:53 -0000 Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What for? Why pushing problems to production? What was wrong with having one well tested stable system for a long time? 12.0 was a problematic release. 12.1 brings even more problems. To be honest X11 Video Acceleration DRM mess and dramatic Virtualization with VirtualBox brings back my MacBook to the desk because FreeBSD does not seem to be reliable desktop environment anymore even on a decent modern machine :-( Is it really necessary? What happened to FreeBSD? :-( Tomek On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:14 AM FreeBSD Security Officer wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Dear FreeBSD community, > > As of February 29, 2020, FreeBSD 12.0 will reach end-of-life and will no longer > be supported by the FreeBSD Security Team. Users of FreeBSD 12.0 are strongly > encouraged to upgrade to a newer release as soon as possible. > > The currently supported branches and releases and their expected end-of-life > dates are: > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Branch | Release | Release Date | Estimated EoL | > +-------------+--------------+-------------------+-------------------------+ > | stable/12 | N/A | N/A | June 30, 2024 | > +-------------+--------------+-------------------+-------------------------+ > | releng/12.1 | 12.1-RELEASE | November 4, 2019 | 12.2-RELEASE + 3 months | > +-------------+--------------+-------------------+-------------------------+ > | stable/11 | N/A | N/A | September 30, 2021 | > +-------------+--------------+-------------------+-------------------------+ > | releng/11.3 | 11.3-RELEASE | July 9, 2019 | 11.4-RELEASE + 3 months | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > Please refer to https://security.freebsd.org/ for an up-to-date list of > supported releases and the latest security advisories. > > - -- > The FreeBSD Security Team > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE/A6HiuWv54gCjWNV05eS9J6n5cIFAl5LHZNfFIAAAAAALgAo > aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEZD > MEU4NzhBRTVBRkU3ODgwMjhENjM1NUQzOTc5MkY0OUVBN0U1QzIACgkQ05eS9J6n > 5cIqyA//ROIFtIsEDV5p02FnWClgWu3qxZ4uRyA0usM1DtZPBYjtfsFGdAU+9NvY > EsUB3rVjWx2HNoHKySFgjLbtGdCNoae45pjLe3UiKgrbQZwXCdUl0d1y+4ZcoR0D > cdtEY6YWio4kBHTWxd0cgCpe+Cmk3nQRB005qgvMkkCBNBGuZQcQS62CMMis3IWC > paMcRBmzkh9HMW8e9XN2mFjGJbT2HKzY+y/Qvj3NhxenYgTzQbVwRDz4JPKz7Al+ > aVq2gLEuEgRWNFG+fBnk7qikzmV7JaXI+j/ImZnrMFBDC/ymiQMbQdt0Kxv0TsZF > ajR18pQyoAONXoJs875HD54/Rj0rQNkKwyZNKuka5+NWR/6d9H52+iytkGqn2DLR > Jp9slPHBW5ofC7WlgAAeV+S1Et7fWeV96hqDVRUXZstir6hM3hYEdwnQP8aFaYO9 > No+uLd6IAKBtBCK9hxOv6O6lmWjNk4LWQb6keG+zwFDCfnILdfwVE+eML7GqLzQ1 > 5s40M7gZsB//1S27WQOhKS4Vea+68meGOzGv0KkMd4gNuV/cBqVoCj52Muu3O0gK > nbMuFHptQbL0qhFGzho4chg4TsuXs0lf28BsHYYFeEewEce7gIwCgPLQPIwLQG4h > cv7KkgwEetngUUlyMaeKu2xCUXTaDJ3KpFkwEcol1oezaWkduwg= > =viBR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-announce@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-announce-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 10:36:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A991425B340 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-oi1-x243.google.com (mail-oi1-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::243]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MHN800Lvz41G3 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-oi1-x243.google.com with SMTP id b18so19638657oie.2 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4mYI+Hdpz75qL0D13rLlhJlYghal2gJGoBMyuEFLvh4=; b=Wv3KWlCWpUDkcm+xNVIiZbOsyzopk3+GnWN4CHdhiEf95bfILf4EN7k1NUIhNTYKR1 jgsE7zDk2d4qoASZIH3OEkiSMkuRhoForXzn+m8qFzU5ld8uxAaWPd+x2KYKdw+yZGUN 0sShtBzQxEhMspOVUyPW20gKiVQ89igbMb+zy5N1LDfHQzsOoD8takjLcWYATz7jpd4K ICfuJrP1NT9PVVOjvpGfl/DD1EWASweeR2x8gwHJC0TyXUFLXqxLPT04l6ps/9CuPkdk JZ6bxv7r+MnqUzlaiGpYHU6oh8BWSwHkq5RFeV0sHSv70TJJJs3wTcn6Deou69xLhf9+ 8oxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4mYI+Hdpz75qL0D13rLlhJlYghal2gJGoBMyuEFLvh4=; b=BNvNMh+mjZctbCRK8sSpFVcYOVBxsV1biFQ7Z0hS0Bsqs+FU2BzjL1jRk25uo4epqv wKkbGoXTDTUEgrebzUBPkeg1a7rthruckEMSPFWIyj3dLMN0oJsIGSLc2klmbvtc5RoX SIHPdqAQFhQUIEZfcXHGZK0V7dBsQbxOOoozhjfQsCbyvQ7/cLvhSDnuKWjCPEyboWon f9YQmVrVN/1MKVO0o2n41+1Hoq5C5xH1L9Q9S29Rvzk2W91iP5MgkqsYqJYIqPWt52Xf LnMwhZaRBv7WNAk3uZ2aWR9rZw4tfBMJIUMN80wD53VNLRlmsc6iYyK0xxl93Ecj11VC 9dxA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVvIW4ygOBiKubSu5MkS5b/hJDqvkW7z2Z3noWKNBP+VmsWdxnH SrzhMPz+CnjbxjDl66Sys7kAjhhqdcg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz3btvkh60PANrp175xJWHs9o+Rr/RhPeaf2VQZwM4II4mS0PIOUhUqeh6sA1WiJHeAC0un0A== X-Received: by 2002:aca:cc07:: with SMTP id c7mr743180oig.165.1582022214715; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 02:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-f50.google.com (mail-ot1-f50.google.com. [209.85.210.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j24sm1233149otk.7.2020.02.18.02.36.53 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Feb 2020 02:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f50.google.com with SMTP id w6so9847282otk.0; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 02:36:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7d87:: with SMTP id j7mr14616219otn.159.1582022213314; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 02:36:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:36:43 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MHN800Lvz41G3 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Wv3KWlCW; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::243) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[ip: (2.38), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:36:57 -0000 wt., 18 lut 2020, 10:20 u=C5=BCytkownik Steve O'Hara-Smith napisa=C5=82: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 04:23:35 +0100 > Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What for= ? > > The new(ish) release and support policy has been announced and we= ll > documented, this should come as no surprise to anyone. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > True.. but the surprise is the Linux like bleeding edge in BSD and the quality degradation at a degree that I have just replaced my FreeBSD laptop with a MacBook :-( Maybe its a time to give OpenBSD a try.. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 14:46:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1F523BBDD; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f193.google.com (mail-il1-f193.google.com [209.85.166.193]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MNwb58dHz48Zw; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f193.google.com with SMTP id v13so17531415iln.4; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=v9pbhOfUrY0FT6v3hgvZMJy10YWcyRjJZnu2UCwfbQ0=; b=Ham8h2mHEtYx/O1irJoCdxZW02REj2btwQjAe9LZYmuOdpG5uNfAsN+vix/Iaz+jzz X4gWo1d2jSd6dNLS5rt5VuQjujvwB5ogjWHdzsbDwZS85ffPG69m+Bxsav8P38azrRlq J07DrW4nd8I+QeDubKp3MBn/TJxA74zUF8IR7SLmYjM2X8R+QthXHALu7sZ1agSUSFHJ LUg0wRlvJqre7Oyt6fD2rXeu0/VuxLkT6k3Q1qjs/fGry2S+f3HZrzqmly21wzXfHEdj +er7Ahs/hNpgzhhJ+6e/kTBySBstL4TsAT54NLbJ+5Co+EhukFG7kBaNOjLHMe8RrjJ/ L6eQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXgdf9b0pgbk8s2YfLg4UU5pgZ3fGEud2X5Oui7fQLJ8R1qAUP3 +DLSsPYNhKojOpG8tSUw6TFPRsOcN/ABHndCiKkpbukH X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxwbFOQrypSyjjlKO9ojw3oY0H1FvV+g7eLJEuRtTqL66s8oD7eHQHWkE01Yv9LAMU1JauMZr7nO0eZJjJmGR0= X-Received: by 2002:a92:db4f:: with SMTP id w15mr18393106ilq.182.1582037214588; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MNwb58dHz48Zw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[193.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ip: (-0.49), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.00), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[193.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:56 -0000 On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 22:24, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What for? > > Why pushing problems to production? What was wrong with having one > well tested stable system for a long time? I really don't understand this - FreeBSD 12 is supported for 5 years. 12.0 was released at the end of 2018. I've heard many complaints that minor releases from stable branches are not frequent enough. > 12.0 was a problematic release. 12.1 brings even more problems. The major issue with 12.1 is a problem with the Intel graphics kernel module, and fixing that was held up by both 12.0 and 12.1 being supported. The problem will automatically resolve once 12.0 is no longer supported. (Yes, I wish we were able to address this issue in a way other than waiting for 12.0's EOL, but nobody in the FreeBSD development community was able to find the time to do so.) 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I really don't understand this comment, either. Certainly give OpenBSD a try and if it fits your needs better that's great. As far as I'm aware OpenBSD issues a release every six months and supports the most recent two releases, so it seems odd to me to complain about FreeBSD's ~1 year minor release support lifetime and 5 year stable branch support lifetime in that context. 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[209.85.167.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j140sm1382623oib.46.2020.02.18.09.19.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f182.google.com with SMTP id a142so20845588oii.7; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:350:: with SMTP id j16mr1857061oie.168.1582046381155; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:19:29 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Ed Maste Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MSJx2pHnz4V17 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Npd/G7l/; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::241) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.30)[ip: (2.14), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:19:47 -0000 Hello Ed, thanks for your input :-) On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ed Maste wrote: > > 12.0 was a problematic release. 12.1 brings even more problems. > > The major issue with 12.1 is a problem with the Intel graphics kernel > module, and fixing that was held up by both 12.0 and 12.1 being > supported. The problem will automatically resolve once 12.0 is no > longer supported. > > (Yes, I wish we were able to address this issue in a way other than > waiting for 12.0's EOL, but nobody in the FreeBSD development > community was able to find the time to do so.) Ah, in this case 12.0 EoL is highly desired. Now I understand. Thank you :-) But also as this DRM user (for Intel and AMD) I have experienced the related hiccups, problems, and problems solutions. It does not look like a FreeBSD way, but more like Linux way. I never noticed anything like this before. Sure, I can see this only as the end-user, maybe tester, I did no commits, so in theory I cannot complain, but it seems like more experienced kernel people could take part in this kind of solution architecture and design right from start in order to prevent avalanche of future problems and problematic solutions that will generate more problems. Another problem is the VirtualBox virtualization that is not really usable anymore. I am aware of closed-source VBox Guest Additions problem. My VM works fine for a first minute or two but then it stops when I start working on it. With DRM and Framebuffer X11 drivers so it does not seem related. It can consume all resources and/or break graphics (i.e. Enlightenment WM). I have tried various permutations of configuration and operating systems (mostly Windoze, but also Linux). I am not sure if I am the only person having this problem as I have asked some questions before. I know there is BHYVE but its not really that easy to use as VBox (to be honest I did not manage to run anything beyond examples). Simple and efficient hypervisor is a must have nowadays in productivity work. For a modern workstation a fairly good GPU driver and Virtualization seems mandatory. Not to mention input devices like Trackpad. I cannot use them reliably at this time anymore. It worked well in the past. Thus my question - why create a new release with new features when there are still basic features missing or incomplete.. I would really care for productivity in the first place even if its 9.12 release :-) I really love FreeBSD!! I advocate it in my every project and every project I am part of. I use it as a base on my servers. It worked really nice on my desktop, but it does not anymore. I am not really comfortable to switch to macOS BSD but time is precious and clients are waiting for the results.. I just wonder: 1. Maybe if Sony uses FreeBSD on their PlayStation with AMD GPU - could they share back the solution? 2. Maybe Intel could help in development of the DRM architecture? They have really nice R&D in Poland.. 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[209.85.210.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm1565319oty.48.2020.02.18.09.40.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f54.google.com with SMTP id r27so20291823otc.8; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:865:: with SMTP id 92mr3972426oty.6.1582047600455; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:40:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:39:49 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Ed Maste Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , FreeBSD Stable , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MSmM3Qc4z3K7G X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=fX6tlpsm; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::343) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.4.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.15)[ip: (2.90), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.89), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:40:04 -0000 On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 3:51 PM Ed Maste wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 05:37, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > > Maybe its a time to give OpenBSD a try.. > > I really don't understand this comment, either. Certainly give OpenBSD > a try and if it fits your needs better that's great. > > As far as I'm aware OpenBSD issues a release every six months and > supports the most recent two releases, so it seems odd to me to > complain about FreeBSD's ~1 year minor release support lifetime and 5 > year stable branch support lifetime in that context. Its more like "lets try if what I need works better over there". Not really the release timeline. The release timeline problem is more related with pushing untested features (and possible avalanche of solutions that introduce yet another complications that we observe right now). "The BSD Way", for me, was always about "it works solid or its not there". Like macOS / iOS. Unlike "The Linux Way" where things changes upside down from release to release and each one of them has its own universe of variants. Like Android. I am not sure if it is that important if there is a release in 6 month or 2 years. Not a problem at all. If in two years I get a 5 new features that work rock solid then it seems a better choice than getting new features every six months and have more problems on a production because of that. If I need to experiment there is a CURRENT branch. For well tested features I have STABLE. For rock solid "I bet my money on that" I have a RELEASE. Right? I did miss the 12.0 EoL kind of fix for DRM, sorry, it seems reasonable. I am just worried that 12.2-RELEASE will have the same problems, if not more new problems. Maybe I should go back to 11 and see how things work over there :-P Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 17:44:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BB124165D for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from constantine.ingresso.co.uk (constantine.ingresso.co.uk [31.24.6.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MSsS0vpVz3Q70 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from [2001:470:6cc4:1:225:ff:fe46:71cf] (helo=foula.drayhouse.twisted.org.uk) by constantine.ingresso.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j46ux-000HY8-U3 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Pete French Message-ID: <0407fca5-6f46-b8bb-bc65-5a22f83a5644@ingresso.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:19 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MSsS0vpVz3Q70 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ingresso.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of petefrench@ingresso.co.uk designates 31.24.6.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=petefrench@ingresso.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:31.24.6.74]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.32)[ip: (-9.81), ipnet: 31.24.0.0/21(-4.91), asn: 16082(-1.80), country: GB(-0.07)]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ingresso.co.uk,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16082, ipnet:31.24.0.0/21, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:44:29 -0000 On 18/Feb/2020 17:19, Tomasz CEDRO wrot> But also as this DRM user (for Intel and AMD) I have experienced the > related hiccups, problems, and problems solutions. It does not look > like a FreeBSD way, but more like Linux way. I never noticed anything > like this before. Sure, I can see this only as the end-user, maybe > tester, I did no commits, so in theory I cannot complain, but it seems > like more experienced kernel people could take part in this kind of > solution architecture and design right from start in order to prevent > avalanche of future problems and problematic solutions that will > generate more problems. > > Another problem is the VirtualBox virtualization that is not really > usable anymore. I am aware of closed-source VBox Guest Additions > problem. My VM works fine for a first minute or two but then it stops > when I start working on it. With DRM and Framebuffer X11 drivers so it > does not seem related. Both the DRM issue and VirtualBox are fixed by making sure you recompile and install the kernel modules from the source in /usr/ports when you upgrade the OS, or if 'pkg upgrade' overwrites them. Its a bit annnoying, but hardly a showstopper I find. VirtualBox done this way is perfectly stable for me, as is DRM these days. cheers, -pete. PS; If you are running VirtualBox on top of ZFS then make sure you have the approrpiate AIO tunings in sysctl.conf though. From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 20:29:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4542456EB for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [IPv6:2a00:b580:8000:11:1c6b:7032:35e9:5616]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MXWH5Wczz4Yk3 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:28:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from [IPv6:2003:a:d59:3800:e935:34a1:129f:f328] (unknown [IPv6:2003:a:d59:3800:e935:34a1:129f:f328]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E937B19F97; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:28:50 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: <0407fca5-6f46-b8bb-bc65-5a22f83a5644@ingresso.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 21:28:39 +0100 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9DA7503F-D8B2-4877-BC5B-AEAC809D1180@punkt.de> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <0407fca5-6f46-b8bb-bc65-5a22f83a5644@ingresso.co.uk> To: Pete French X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MXWH5Wczz4Yk3 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hausen@punkt.de designates 2a00:b580:8000:11:1c6b:7032:35e9:5616 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hausen@punkt.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:b580::/32]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[punkt.de]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.12)[asn: 16188(-0.56), country: DE(-0.02)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:2a00:b580::/32, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:29:02 -0000 Hi all, > Am 18.02.2020 um 18:44 schrieb Pete French = : > Both the DRM issue and VirtualBox are fixed by making sure you = recompile and install the kernel modules from the source in /usr/ports = when you upgrade the OS, or if 'pkg upgrade' overwrites them. Its a bit = annnoying, but hardly a showstopper I find. `pkg lock` after installing from ports is your friend ;-) Kind regards, Patrick --=20 punkt.de GmbH Patrick M. 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I am aware of closed-source VBox Guest Additions > problem. My VM works fine for a first minute or two but then it stops > when I start working on it. With DRM and Framebuffer X11 drivers so it My experience is that you have to enable "Use Host I/O Cache" for the SATA storage controller, otherwise it will lock up sooner or later. It seems to not be the default. With it enabled, I don't have any issues. 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I am aware of closed-source VBox Guest Additions > > problem. My VM works fine for a first minute or two but then it stops > > when I start working on it. With DRM and Framebuffer X11 drivers so it > > My experience is that you have to enable "Use Host I/O Cache" for the > SATA storage controller, otherwise it will lock up sooner or later. It > seems to not be the default. With it enabled, I don't have any issues. Nooo way.. that seems to help! Works slow but it works :-) I have M2 2TB SSD using encrypted ZFS on my FreeBSD laptop.. so clearly a VirtualBox drivers / config issue not the OS..? Thank you Bengt for the hint! Trust in FreeBSD restored :-) :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Feb 22 16:53:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B113244B58 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [217.29.35.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48PvY84ZfGz4dbY for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 01MGqKqO046563 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:52:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: (from wolfgang@localhost) by saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 01MGqJu1046562; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:52:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wolfgang) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:52:19 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <202002221652.01MGqJu1046562@saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org> From: wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: input devices after xorg update X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:52:23 +0100 (CET) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PvY84ZfGz4dbY X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org designates 217.29.35.151 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-1.44)[ip: (-5.80), ipnet: 217.29.32.0/20(-0.79), asn: 16188(-0.61), country: DE(-0.02)]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sub.org]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:53:51 -0000 Hi, after taking quite a while to get a working x11 back, here's what I learned: if you build everything from ports, it is important to revisit the configured options on your x11 related ports. You need to enable the libinput driver and on FreeBSD 12 or newer switch xorg-server to using udev. While this is now default, your stored build options might be different. For everyone using non-default keyboard layouts, configured as in section 5.4.7.1 of the FreeBSD handbook: you now need to use the "libinput" driver instead of "keyboard". Otherwise the keyboard module gets loaded in addition to the libinput module, resulting in both talking to the keyboard and rendering it unusable. Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Feb 22 20:01:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244F924B040 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.arrakis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48PzjT54sVz4LsQ for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.arrakis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id p9so5179653wmc.2 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+5AQ2lB4GxQOl24Un36YAXHWREd3mDBrVR1btYv9CMY=; b=pY0lkrzkBtIb9FHwlOdzO1ioTJjN3iCz3jwAjQyew9AmLMzQmVZ06Apzzq82qPILS6 q3GUOTl7osGDsu+dezz+v6sKBiuivUDCykCvooXt7X+KyotCXZCLg+x4cR8hcC+K6l/n JlBpZwU2Nzb200AqXPt/2MuOvPzVaaCeT7AovMR1ciCuenmqTrECYrLIGSGfaWAtinEk cphcOPQqrg/TtPBbxTHQaX9/bH3WQ/tXD65s+sB8BXFCSEOD5fFiUv644bwyxBp0pPl4 6i7FYvl/3/nHXh1SrkaEFKSsGEkwwBmBEQw8wsSyI3I2A/bj+46TDxeC8ufhXFP9tx9n /15w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+5AQ2lB4GxQOl24Un36YAXHWREd3mDBrVR1btYv9CMY=; b=s2ici/lUPbnrRrLwiU6YLUOWBtFTyecj+5jTIcwuyf8LPaA+pSpFy+uW6UtsT5u5M7 B6hsc7DPj2KR83LN97sxGBPKeM1VwtdGvJ/0SZ8NiLAalrjFr+Hm+iCfdXhNbtM70dfC zSSBDq2heB24BpsYfXSk639g8L4o1INKV2jTNSmUFPhUZ2yY6dKv2CWZthE5j7/FqYh6 E2KAvvEbh/AJDh+srJ6gpGVqYFq3qLSTNRV7WZpKnQlUdNODpxTUADtBTLVFbk7c2LJu eT9oeDrY5sLGnFRXsoJsWBSocbernNwpY9sIKR2uhTccc9CBSDStviLkbee1Lq1GPwle SvCg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUUzqCE4JCOPI+02M3LD5jDVYlfwHwN+JO4fGz2oCJ3dllVqjxB JBU5DZI7WZHFX5gIXwO7GtR6JrFK4nHi1boKvSemBCzZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxm+JebUhXfIVvK+8rrnkzn5PuMIcIv3dznWz+gBkS+s2trH6ITRC8raDiFNJIA+qXf9PWn/DpSZYi093ngCGo= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c450:: with SMTP id l16mr11082235wmi.166.1582401675731; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:01:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Nuno Teixeira Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: base svn(lite) LTS not updated To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PzjT54sVz4LsQ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pY0lkrzk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of edarrakis@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::32f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=edarrakis@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.03), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.42), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:01:19 -0000 Hello, I noticed that STABLE and CURRENT have base subversion at version 1.10.0. Why is base svn not updated to last LTS 1.10.6? Thanks, Nuno Teixeira From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sat Feb 22 20:05:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B413E24B3EB for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.arrakis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Pzpr2BNqz4PDX for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed.arrakis@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id p18so2179500wre.9 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:05:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=T/yOxYrXOPx2K0TgzLParNsvUzeGGlmCi6FhRH9PJMo=; b=RRFR5pUy/se607ZIrSnc8JMpplQhIvDL+fuYQqS+6dOzM+A4R8bl7vVFYZoc85nUDg /QQ0oWq2bONc+LDZRNGemd09uUnF5U0GwbIDim9NfCJ+ZQCwr8oHJdyVe2E5WAuT0BW3 ETvClF5A2ky8NGfok6nQuzr5qLzkpBDNbGl+WBoEWUmozMELOlAzEQi7uU7nRDLs8b3W yEdkRW4SmNH+8eXrrH7YFhLek0coqKqZhEhjvE2rWI4zUhRWul5HEMQWFjFfShUKSzJH Ul8zvhrP9FIRznz+fkcJi1yxA5Nys+VGXOA7Sy3VWviGwclXkqDqATOaQ6Qav5O5xu00 wn2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=T/yOxYrXOPx2K0TgzLParNsvUzeGGlmCi6FhRH9PJMo=; b=VwAigdJEVDMtzhXHymCPqUeiQDmtOh4TwHTNSJjt1J0AF6mYVK2d8RvDq7Ml0OAIzR 9M/FNL9awDRMkq9skxPEF2m3eC0ykHeVOkckOSGoVIzs73DW8dkkpaZGPoMH4yMzsKW6 LkMDM1ra0GgerUweDxDLb4PkL/XryRKy/CpRsH4ZEeRnHNa6Dj6zm+FULRPtggv8Q0ZE hOyW+ie8hkVONP50TFEp4nP6UTy7DgcO9xomdADhkZ6/uU6SXQZwSkBj25FZoOqNtmMh Dxuw9GaATJb+rniCBiRFJQJzHkjU8/c85Ub0bCvOvEsiOFi+gejOl0GOne+XaJmAfrKH 2nzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVMh6SZGgCvVS4HnqkOpOZYTa31j9nJKis3dxGbuKW6kb5f0P1D OXb6f4qwojzRnqJe46DKx6Plw9G2NaD574J6doyEJ4Na5/U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyONAvycBz0sldm/Trdc0TK+NSHD6gGHTryi8mv0MQ2KB99OovRs8T/jjMTAz6JoL6JmIuIOGhpl901s3HPtxg= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:53c1:: with SMTP id a1mr54434735wrw.373.1582401952886; Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:05:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202002221652.01MGqJu1046562@saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org> In-Reply-To: <202002221652.01MGqJu1046562@saturn.lyxys.ka.sub.org> From: Nuno Teixeira Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: input devices after xorg update To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Pzpr2BNqz4PDX X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RRFR5pUy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of edarrakis@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=edarrakis@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[5]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.06), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.42), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:05:58 -0000 Hi, More on udev libinput: New Xorg switch from devd to udev Nuno Teixeira escreveu no dia s=C3=A1bado, 22/02/2020 =C3=A0(= s) 16:54: > Hi, > > after taking quite a while to get a working x11 back, here's what > I learned: if you build everything from ports, it is important to > revisit the configured options on your x11 related ports. You need to > enable the libinput driver and on FreeBSD 12 or newer switch xorg-server > to using udev. While this is now default, your stored build options > might be different. > > For everyone using non-default keyboard layouts, configured as in > section 5.4.7.1 of the FreeBSD handbook: you now need to use the > "libinput" driver instead of "keyboard". Otherwise the keyboard > module gets loaded in addition to the libinput module, resulting in > both talking to the keyboard and rendering it unusable. > > Wolfgang > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >