From nobody Mon Aug 30 13:49:25 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-cloud@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF43817AF8B0 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james.wright@digital-chaos.com) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GysBK2m3gz4bTc for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james.wright@digital-chaos.com) Received: from [192.168.0.12] ([82.29.153.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.179]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpUpW-1mm3jB44qq-00pwA0 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:49:22 +0200 Subject: Re: RFC: Switching FreeBSD/EC2 images to UEFI boot To: freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org References: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> From: James Wright Message-ID: <276e84a5-b1b0-a35c-46dd-964c84c7d6e1@digital-chaos.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:49:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YeyHawVJ324MTMzb/DxtpIqw0rNX35/M9JXYlbtx6UaEwaW5JoC N0JxcQ2BD7E0+EMlY0ddUcOAqP3MxJZvmMXrKvbJorzRhtOBC4PB73OiY/DPXIiNp6rCwW3 fnNYwBU2dBVE1NFzpfmW9mSGQKeMX/8x9GwbGGCBF2H0VwBKW/qA6jQ192SgvfEteZyoFBz z1JYaA140Eqj9WSW8LiuQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:apREYxlZZZY=:tDS+lJgl4ifkSWfRG7MgoS H/eTFsAZAeGu7W2ctXHMRTgg+doR3QCYGBbVzx0teOtUDF5ZOqOSTHICsDBo4JWRT2RCMHOkh aH2G/wU58dJRaNX9L3BtnWLPzfDHuoTNGCzviN3WD3yPxZUk/0fQHYD57meI+raVk0rhePxSu z7r464/VDiw/h868g5oNr2yFf6vwYeZERtalkR9sPRC/6zPEx5GZWG1BDn+dNNAEqItg9Zy9s h6utD+X+FmRt27fs2Au+OiiA1RqUPDFgN8OOkiBugJKHLSduna/dAI14s6GyBlucpO50ROy3q un56leBke8qM9AatIfiSuykJ+sa/IKNGo9EcY6CjIBgYOctWUI9f6Grqu9hZvkHiHhJASLiVw yXN5wHS+DIa+8n/mwWhOH8OvAMSIo1jRHo9hZmtVItpqys9OLPf633p1+hC5ZGz+UqJP/B37F tAvKF3RkC9+b8R+CwykqILXpyalxiwuvmZE7/9LNdCAFOZJvagdinkSpBJ1Oy+ckOivt8lqGI B5iP9WqsVLF6QWy+dmSP/YOwUAi3MGF/qoA3UrHiUUttLFIUunDgzUiqsAZnc/slHX8UAEThh 4T/2LIhMBGAvnNVeIIQE4LfmgLAH3GLptqC5NjOtKGz/P3O13BzyNyh20J+Zyou4sHaRQz2j/ 7itIakUvBO3pW7NwG4Mr0sGYvhBsTh3K5CGn8Lcop40eLm3X88QirDXLK9ame/qCmH2/IyfxQ M68v25CS3ZZhUKvs0qR9fugh5nB8viCkQrueCzoFU4PrIdcSygyb2Yer4U4= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GysBK2m3gz4bTc X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of james.wright@digital-chaos.com has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.13) smtp.mailfrom=james.wright@digital-chaos.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.74 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[digital-chaos.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.874]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.77)[-0.770]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[82.29.153.121:received] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N if On 29/08/2021 05:05, Colin Percival wrote: > I don't have any data on instances launched outside of the AWS Marketplace. > > So, as I started this email saying: We have a decision to make and I'm > looking for input from the community. Faster booting, or support for older > EC2 instance types in our published AMIs? Hi Colin, Here is what I currently run 24/7 on AWS with FreeBSD (non Marketplace AMI); 4 x t3a.nano (FreeBSD-12.2) 1 x t3a.micro (FreeBSD-12.2) I try move to newer instance types where possible (and stable) as they generally offer the same or higher performance for less cost. I haven't moved to FreeBSD-13 yet as I'm allowing time for any issues to be ironed out, hopefully in 13.1 (such as that TSC timecounter fix). Next move might be onto the t4g (Graviton/ARM) instances but haven't properly tested them yet. I personally would prefer the faster booting with UEFI rather than supporting older instance types which will eventually become obsolete anyway. 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Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:42:49 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysutils/azure-agent has been updated to 2.2.54.2 Message-ID: References: List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QRT899oSdDQNBGY+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Gyx2c5CRNz3QTd X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=YO3W3fRq; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=mVsfOq4f; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net has no SPF policy when checking 64.147.123.27) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.123.27:from] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --QRT899oSdDQNBGY+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 09:49:49PM +0800, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: >sysutils/azure-agent has been updated to 2.2.54.2, along with several fixe= s: > >https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3Db185a2b866b8642e2500dd69126769= 4ac388875b > >Please help test if you're using FreeBSD on Azure. > >I will include this in the (belated) 13.0 Azure marketplace image, >sorry that it was delayed because of several technical and >non-technical issues. Is it safe to upgrade from 12.2-p9 to 13.0-p4 via freebsd-upgrade, on an az= ure instance? thanks, --=20 J. --QRT899oSdDQNBGY+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmEtCoEACgkQs8o7QhFz NAWKZQ/+K9ZV3al2UN1cOprrQroZe+1YF6qHmPqIKS2RGDc+lQ5g+qGrpMsA1W78 GEQBHq8cQ+IokxGzJwrLRjZseIQQ6rEM7qHnhIR+Od7nq372gWQKFCe1gfdDQWEQ zGNHtDH//qruWAzZUst3CDCDbKr0jjOxyqDKGQoVGrA2+XZkr8MP3HDzgmR/Vi+S gc42N5vWI4qCjyD655uryVwKWtDmFC5H7jvFZ8bMK40kY09bEQ0ZL2f8m1QnjjLy FP3/GvnjZul/TRGoM/jKzP0W7t2Bpwe2QIS7wzOtHiyyN8djXS4bE8g50ody8NVw tHxoug3d0JtFZoPcs57JhXmWCL7Zep4P6MGziSjzAZ7ouyNPQn0ML5oQY61UzHZh adQznKO9f6dqO4WZQZzCoh+YhqSj29e5j4znhSLef9IhLe1+0v6WXyq3jGOfGuTP vH8mQF6/HSsWl+Ios5NwQKfN3iclkkZ0J7Oxag+i0cOCP9Kxrw2QiyTtE3vzUFvs y3gjCKF2NqjE4vPQ6FCzh5J428QlLkDh6prTnadX/q0z+DBw+N/LZgWFSI8JvZyO aPjw54WJSAbCCnCZajHfUQv4lU2JKTHiy5+Y1l1mTFx8C3a1OtGTeeRt+GslFDu0 D2qnwwBtUOa+VqDttlvto0SLONwFpy7cCiy6NqJZK0o9AY66iY0= =Vy5v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QRT899oSdDQNBGY+-- From nobody Mon Aug 30 17:45:18 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-cloud@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93961179C041 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GyyQf3hqNz4RsG for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-vs1-f49.google.com (mail-vs1-f49.google.com [209.85.217.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: lwhsu/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62B602450 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-vs1-f49.google.com with SMTP id b5so11186104vsq.2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532GpyKfted+Y4cqf7nOUc6QTQs21pXNxfj0Vh1+MrUXh8/9ej07 1hbQ12EpWmP/kW4Sdn14IaURfqq8WcttJ0Y7lYo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzT0vzvqS4SkdmO38oy2B7JvYcxGIaQGuLrv2ATWHYKAd47KKm+4Liaxh3tUzkXt0GwTZvO25zU70hqMYCPggQ= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ef51:: with SMTP id k17mr8501067vsr.2.1630345530047; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Li-Wen Hsu Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:45:18 +0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: sysutils/azure-agent has been updated to 2.2.54.2 To: tech-lists Cc: "freebsd-cloud@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:43 AM tech-lists wrote: > > Hello, > > On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 09:49:49PM +0800, Li-Wen Hsu wrote: > >sysutils/azure-agent has been updated to 2.2.54.2, along with several fixes: > > > >https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=b185a2b866b8642e2500dd691267694ac388875b > > > >Please help test if you're using FreeBSD on Azure. > > > >I will include this in the (belated) 13.0 Azure marketplace image, > >sorry that it was delayed because of several technical and > >non-technical issues. > > Is it safe to upgrade from 12.2-p9 to 13.0-p4 via freebsd-upgrade, on an azure instance? I haven't tested this, but I believe this should be safe, I use buildworld and buildkernel to upgrade the image builder VM from 12.2 to 13.0, no code is modified. The builder is running 13.0-p4 now. BTW, some updates for the official 13.0 image: I'm trying to provide support for the gen2 VM with 13.0, but certain gen2 VM sizes have a boot issue so I may directly go with the gen1 VM for now, then continue the debugging of the gen2 VM. Best, Li-Wen From nobody Mon Aug 30 18:03:19 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-cloud@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DA917A2289 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedberg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1033.google.com (mail-pj1-x1033.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GyyqY4tMCz4WbW; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedberg@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x1033.google.com with SMTP id u13-20020a17090abb0db0290177e1d9b3f7so41865pjr.1; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:03:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=O4+sKsqVbEMiqDhd6ZfeBDO7s1q5+KAepy1Rs2FGaVQ=; b=L5DCivyOzlfl0wZcPqTN01dxvMCOXccdgYKQOtB1IVhc4Js9xbnImfExdCdIYoLPlm msWes0V7yEswFFJPtxTI4y7bTHsFmYLYGkU2W5wS+fzsypJuv36IIpYkPbS+sPora2SG fbcjAcTD4oYQWR1LAlVlk7RwOyMaIRf0U4mbIxhULy51Q4hSRGsgqgiLmyhiIIjFHpn1 YzMecM6eYTmJ1f5CKwQxSk9hEpQixTIW/6NN7+rCVLlk9lYIZpQCjYNAb2vgqRjOGeey ZuI/TAaP2KfBseq41xkNlo7MOpAc0wju1+rEkkBK1Gl5p5Yn7XqknTQ79JJrRi+/ws7q UJcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=O4+sKsqVbEMiqDhd6ZfeBDO7s1q5+KAepy1Rs2FGaVQ=; b=h9CMr8Rj/zvR3zuegKHJezhRncnB7jNiXU+ixTVfDD/mxSkbtqD7EnOa+OTOhuHagh l44GdQpdwI9M1mLkLu7siiLOoSdTnT49APdh1ZmuG3RHHXrr38iCmti8RPLEnC5LXJNv lIObhet1Bx4ZYMJRBWGO1O8EECIsRT4WVYDB17q3pGNopaarRZ0UWBxwRvGPyrhtLdQl Sh8Iqwqw4XS0//icYDUSM0xzGNHNq1xnE4hJkf5dWS7HqkaBqJgXJUuDkcC3ym3La9g9 gcn9cKvVF0K9QcaAOqMIxccEgK6Vh2kpartmfY5O2uJxi8rq1dFFj9IAep26MdpRKajV XDrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532EKWPa8u3I8DPvh61IvRxmHmjeD95zSBcadzwYpCv9StfM0HiJ ItGx9w6kclGn3fTqoScFxlFKJ+HLWzxg9mo/rxGqBCDHTdY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzXpNIyNitmQiiBhFHbPqSdyx6PY7lASgKkpvht7jORSfFi9nbP+4JXShRVDVepxoQPvTeVMWMtKwBqbcCFOWg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fe8e:: with SMTP id co14mr354279pjb.200.1630346611046; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> From: Jeremy Edberg Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: Switching FreeBSD/EC2 images to UEFI boot To: Colin Percival Cc: "freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009cbd7205cacaa639" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GyyqY4tMCz4WbW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=L5DCivyO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jedberg@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jedberg@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.81)[0.807]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Spam: Yes X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: Y --0000000000009cbd7205cacaa639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm always a fan of optimal defaults. If UFEI boot is faster, it should probably be the default, especially if you're still able to generate BIOS boot instances. Unless there is a large group of people who for legal/compliance reasons *must* use the official AMIs and also can't switch to the newer instance types. j On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 9:05 PM Colin Percival wrote: > Hi Cloudy people, > > We have a decision to make and I'm looking for input from the community: > Should FreeBSD's x86 EC2 AMIs be marked as booting using UEFI instead of > the current (default) BIOS boot mode? > > The argument in favour of sticking with BIOS booting is that the older EC2 > instance types -- up to M4/C4/R4/T2 -- don't support UEFI. There's a full > list of which instance types support UEFI at > > https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ami-boot.html > > but roughly speaking it's a case of "Nitro instances support UEFI while Xen > based instances require BIOS". (Note that whatever decision we make, it > will > still be possible to build AMIs which support BIOS booting -- the question > is > just which mode the official project-published images are marked to use.) > > The argument in favour of switching to UEFI booting is that it's faster -- > around 4.7 seconds faster in my testing. While this may not seem like a > big > difference, it's the difference between being on par with most Linuxes or > lagging far behind; and there's a definite quality-of-life benefit to being > able to spin up an EC2 instance and SSH in to start using it quickly. > (Also > benefits for people using autoscaling, since they can respond to increased > load faster.) > > One obvious question to ask here is "how many people are using the older > instance types which only support BIOS", and I have some data from the AWS > Marketplace about that: > * Instances originally launched on FreeBSD 9.x and 10.x are all using older > instance types. > * About 60% of instances originally launched on FreeBSD 11.x are using > older > instance types. > * About 40% of instances originally launched on FreeBSD 12.x and 13.0 are > using older instance types. > > Almost all of the "older instance type" usage on FreeBSD 12.x and 13.0 is > T2 > family instances, which I suspect is for two reasons: > 1. For a long time I had t2.micro listed as the default instance type on > the AWS Marketplace listings, and > 2. FreeBSD 13.0 has problems on T3 instances due to the TSC timecounter not > working reliably. This problem has now been corrected in HEAD and I'm > hoping > the fix will be MFCed in time for FreeBSD 13.1. > > I don't have any data on instances launched outside of the AWS Marketplace. > > So, as I started this email saying: We have a decision to make and I'm > looking for input from the community. Faster booting, or support for older > EC2 instance types in our published AMIs? > > -- > Colin Percival > Security Officer Emeritus, FreeBSD | The power to serve > Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid > > --0000000000009cbd7205cacaa639-- From nobody Mon Aug 30 18:10:22 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-cloud@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C488317A5FC6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gyyzt4kl1z4ZDJ for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2021 18:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEFB320092B for ; 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Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-1125-g685cec594c-fm-20210825.001-g685cec59 List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9c66fdd4-89ab-4125-b5da-575248a1cc7d@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> References: <79c48cc2-5341-2cea-7d6e-4372f7c93245@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 14:10:22 -0400 From: "Dan Langille" To: "Application Certification Support via freebsd-cloud" Subject: Re: RFC: Switching FreeBSD/EC2 images to UEFI boot Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Gyyzt4kl1z4ZDJ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=langille.org header.s=fm2 header.b="r//XeuhU"; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=YsnE3WOj; 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DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[64.147.123.21:from]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, at 12:05 AM, Colin Percival wrote: > So, as I started this email saying: We have a decision to make and I'm > looking for input from the community. Faster booting, or support for older > EC2 instance types in our published AMIs? If my instance is older, how will this change affect it? -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org From nobody Tue Aug 31 15:17:25 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-cloud@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A989217A06FC for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.tarsnap.com (mail.tarsnap.com [54.86.246.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4GzW5S2sgRz4pQ7 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 29125 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2021 15:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell7390.daemonology.net) (127.0.0.1) by mail.tarsnap.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2021 15:17:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 26299 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2021 15:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell7390.daemonology.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Aug 2021 15:17:25 -0000 To: "freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org" From: Colin Percival Subject: EC2 AMI Systems Manager Public Parameters Message-ID: <1913e7d6-9eed-b9f5-3e8a-5cf9f70d568f@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 08:17:25 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 List-Id: FreeBSD on cloud platforms (EC2, GCE, Azure, etc.) List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-cloud List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-cloud@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GzW5S2sgRz4pQ7 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.86.0.0/16, country:US] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi cloudy people, You can now look up EC2 AMI Ids in the Systems Manager Parameter Store: https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2021-08-31-FreeBSD-AMI-SSM-Public-Parameters.html Right now just RELEASEs from 12.0 onwards; later this week 14.0-CURRENT will be added (when the next snapshots are built), and in a few weeks the 12-STABLE and 13-STABLE snapshots will start showing up there as well. -- Colin Percival Security Officer Emeritus, FreeBSD | The power to serve Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid