From owner-freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Sun Jan 31 21:00:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510DA5268A5 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DTNlW74c1z4fMG for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D1FA85268A2; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF05A5267CB for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DTNlW2d9fz4fSy for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69E276EEA for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 10VL0s66061580 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:54 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 10VL0s50061579 for geom@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:54 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202101312100.10VL0s50061579@kenobi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org To: geom@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem reports for geom@FreeBSD.org that need special attention Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:00:56 -0000 To view an individual PR, use: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=(Bug Id). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- In Progress | 218679 | [geli] add a verify command Open | 237269 | panic in glabel (g_label_destroy) stop after resi Open | 238814 | geom: topology lock being dropped in dumpconf of Open | 242747 | geli: AMD Epyc+GELI not using Hardware AES 4 problems total for which you should take action. From owner-freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 19:42:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65A1528296 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6731955@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXQmX17DQz4Rt4 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 19:42:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6731955@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id y4so7836233ybk.12 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:42:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Oh4clv+8BhPKPm3KHNwEVl+ZQZpnZ59BPmDiumdnWok=; b=QnA6Ot0Vpq96EuQTZyfnLcAM3CCuI20Vst8nIYgwtUeZxD+RW9PJuavjTrXBqhnGzd e9VC91rMK6yrD5ZgwVrpT1HyhMlwDhvcBxlA94tz9L7q9dEKX+/Bu1Zk+UK501P/oQf5 Rwo8NnU03EMC3Fp3H3laZIOkbGFXCfoyH0FXfnYfjRuQ4KKPgLCmnyj4LS1or6Z5e0xI ari5ZNt7mZirB5r8ApgEbyWF+uK0oVnvgxizxZ+0blpJv16/m4kvons1rMU92oHiOMTs YfyKK5Fbxg01hWj3fdtrJmLnVCM5Dj++o/LjP57rcH0Q7msyhSZb4Nj2JV70R5iFOwdl MATA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Oh4clv+8BhPKPm3KHNwEVl+ZQZpnZ59BPmDiumdnWok=; b=GU8mUrZTV1bSD6eLQQKDmSV0quhqYwSJJqv8nhAkp85kcYRyUMegjvBmoOtDH4Ldn7 US0k4E1qixFBFg/aRzgRUPdt203fRVq2hOAgCNBMM6XAVCGvaOCzW82vKNcnnOHu0zxf qEK5ETE+M/J/WthYYm/lYlfeuKKnJuL6HBgw146iUAlHzOLyb5BV7LvofKdaYYtTH3Sl tqQb4bhaZCez+puigueXyRIIpjI28GzlSODPZ4L2xzcjGdS15XLL+RFKCeeQYkqCTAYK lALDmIrjOacblK8EMIGCLL3O5cIciolJZ4D01OqsQ8vIBUkBpuPkAyWSvayaKzNZzEYa 0eXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WkZ9blSdfn/z/2gsur6J9B2RXmsjqXqU2iohqNymydk5Vzz6L 12fTRjGyr7lEnmmnrE8/1nQNOrZPx7BGiddwxGEfFx3EFmrcTQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOuMtvGY/BAE9uKi/4zE3crAIZdC6FZ6yFLaghpke3262CBTTWhDcfcV7JVOuBC3CD/T6qgLu/jHkEmyDftrQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:3104:: with SMTP id x4mr8986154ybx.141.1612554138771; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:42:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:41:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: questions regarding -c option to gjournal label To: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXQmX17DQz4Rt4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QnA6Ot0V; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 6731955@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=6731955@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-geom@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-geom] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 19:42:20 -0000 By way of intro I am new to freebsd and am in the process of setting up a small office server. I am leaning toward UFS with gjournal rather than ZFS and would like to make UFS as stable as possible and obtain the best possible data integrity. The man page states, " *-c* Checksum journal records." My questions are: 1. What are the journal records checksummed against? eg checked against kernel cache? data provider record? 2. Is this an ongoing process for the duration of the journal or a one time event? 3. What happens if checksum does not match? Thanks in advance. -Abner From owner-freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 20:00:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4579A528BC5 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6731955@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXR9S3YVqz4Sl2 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6731955@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id y128so7879946ybf.10 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 12:00:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d0KZd9hJoHxHeO7mzltOQ48JU1eQeSrmvv1JOQBIXgI=; b=WK7156X9G2F522fmz51pSl+++ineJbgb+Z7L1M7CXoi47hn4LTdlbYcVa6Dtqdi/Sq eZ1PVaNkp+e5EcPjzQ/Vg/rOj/delB+jIK3O8cEUCbTsyhOoMTpKnIML182UEHPcJnfl u0SYjOVsLTeNaA0TXGQ6dGneywH1xR/XOiZgCknboWMVbjFmBuyTvIBKvyAJuf1t8xMY 9OXqRM/4SLpeU4gFzfqakWAZ3jEdHf6TtU30Z/9keHgtB5tQu+JPkYHeUzLvEem00h+2 TsZNgBN8piMp7IqcwpofZEzL9VaPpzIemUaMhGolmPJxrY/le/Hp/qFSyVbleaM5jwGS Rpuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=d0KZd9hJoHxHeO7mzltOQ48JU1eQeSrmvv1JOQBIXgI=; b=SbvlCuMCjui0o85zT0mpfjnCs7A2VYyH5+ujgwLTogGSmoAVCjGgzhYnESfw8tsRj0 awa/+ZUVUlvF98eE82Y4DYS6NJSrflDiICYxCLa1FtQHYr/OaJjaCo5tplZUnjHwZAez FzPKzVGG5AMIOArZPynb+ElOBm715iSAacvHX1vFOfc8dnyTYt1XU7sSs8fZ08gmNrWk hN6mdvIXgWgFfmBc8ibW4L49PcuEOBtlOQCpfjr7fohPmrdjlJlFntC+x+5+Bh3BQFi9 pciNQuyY1QpMUGmiNzbUNZMRen8fg8y22nrfcVu65WZeuN0YDxQ6uHRvMxtw8TYsY+WJ DYQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KUQvcAWpJquC3xqKs7J5B2Gh0lKAkdLBu5XsU/4DNTSa7/Pbi e1kKvVKjIFJst0EC+omvXYXBktQpRSZUBiSzkU1qmD634NYWnA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOrtRMKtQGzYMalv2xgMiM5ehcUx9Ip2mfEsYfRhm5BDi38pwiR1TlbgTRHGakZYQ7txrsYXP+TE+BgXe19nE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:400d:: with SMTP id n13mr8989055yba.163.1612555226617; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 12:00:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:59:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: gjournal, turn off automatic synchronization clarification To: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXR9S3YVqz4Sl2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WK7156X9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 6731955@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=6731955@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-geom@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-geom] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:00:29 -0000 Man page quote:" When *gjournal* is configured on top of gmirror(8) or graid3(8) providers, it also keeps them in a consistent state, thus automatic synchronization on power failure or system crash may be disabled on those providers." I am planning to use 4 disks. 2 in a gmirror for data. 2 disks with mirrored partitions for the journal. Should I turn off gmirror auto sync for just the data provider, just the journal provider, or for the journaled device itself? Please provide example. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Fri Feb 5 20:12:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0C15291A4 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmpalacios@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com (mail-qk1-x733.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DXRQr35Xbz4Tgc for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmpalacios@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id a12so8179905qkh.10 for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 12:12:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GOvVXyondra7RiyYDF5YjMqcbKYO5CVOK+Qq1Aqj878=; b=l7oxw88nkNVu5Oajy+lymnj5O1bLESK5mwqjrjqUbyObWWGn93snz0TA1kaH4aqmUp 9JlAdgP8+xj/gmnAzyluomiWr6VPcvnFCdEVCago2MGLezla2acELZmwivmkuzb8YqZF 1jgti5Dq0LtatdbaSFGaHuxrqCcSBkjYuv7fvyd/l0ioylJZVSzIQ2C+vwxdbrk+MkRF xj+iJJ9RSo6ycOUGmlwNEJfufLHM8GPVBsaWN0FhkhnIQzDcX/Vlv2a9s+akgDHXjWmr QEMHUUh/1kN/27kOg0ltbFdkfMvqY2TCRvwTP/jJGBFMwoJVjQdU9M+gGjUA5aBx/h1h CVkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GOvVXyondra7RiyYDF5YjMqcbKYO5CVOK+Qq1Aqj878=; b=Ga6uxn5nyX4pnL88kwzONLF43uo7NSsMmilP6lAfWoBzxVNLpHlcf7Z7MbhoenVQS6 ojBdWPAK018fs5L05sb1eW1jCLGVcNnfZXrD1H5NCUVTxPrFPWghF20RPqApmqkoBEJJ u/5FqQbDjuXjQlBE5QTYPJaZIa/RFxVPjim/KjorCUqdcGGy45r1LTdd3+K760GvrQzj W37PJDSjEvwydiHt7zFxMSqMBdDu1wpzkaP7r+1taYW9PLQfhou9Xxi1aR5DR3ApgSIR lAfmh38/U2F6KOSfetu5JgqCdcqouECHC2vLyJshNxD/rIUbAyd78/y7rS+c/Xi4KVze AMhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532rGMA1AgUY30cvwcwEPt/NlCLSoj5oVfpVudn8bCIE4ZlScknw fZWZURCntqu9hiFiwhkNF8ORelAVDQmaGTTysTw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzytyGXjYBJxzZL18rvLZQFV0kWjgR5DgX8DrX2a/d5lPcLuGl6odt6cPxdKA1ILigftGfzuhV2Kojr2SY0++s= X-Received: by 2002:a37:8dc1:: with SMTP id p184mr6076614qkd.70.1612555923640; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 12:12:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Juan Manuel Palacios Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 15:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gjournal, turn off automatic synchronization clarification To: Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DXRQr35Xbz4Tgc X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=l7oxw88n; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jmpalacios@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jmpalacios@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-geom@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-geom] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:12:05 -0000 Hopefully I'm not out of line here, specially with me being far from a GEOM expert=E2=80=A6 but from all that you're saying, and all that you're hoping= to get from your storage solution, I'm wondering why you're learning against ZFS, since it pretty much gives you all you want right out of the box. If I may ask, what are your reasons for rejecting ZFS? What constraints do you anticipate you'll be facing, e.g. low RAM? On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 3:00 PM Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com> wrote: > Man page quote:" > > When *gjournal* is configured on top of gmirror(8) > < > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dgmirror&sektion=3D8&apropos= =3D0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+12.2-RELEASE+and+Ports > > > or graid3(8) < > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dgraid3&sektion=3D8&apropos=3D= 0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+12.2-RELEASE+and+Ports > > > providers, > it also keeps them in a consistent state, thus automatic > synchronization > on power failure or system crash may be disabled on those providers.= " > > > I am planning to use 4 disks. 2 in a gmirror for data. 2 disks with > mirrored partitions for the journal. > > Should I turn off gmirror auto sync for just the data provider, just > the journal provider, or for the journaled device itself? > > Please provide example. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-geom@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-geom > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-geom-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Sat Feb 6 00:37:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-geom@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F31952E4DA for ; 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; EMPTY_SUBJECT(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-geom] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: GEOM-specific discussions and implementations List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 00:37:29 -0000 In response to @Juan Manuel Palacios: Appreciate your advice. There seems to be overwhelming enthusiasm for ZFS. Maybe I am swimming against the current leaning toward UFS. My reasons are: 1. Have relied on dump backups to LTO tape for the past decade and am very comfortable with dump and restore. Sure, tar would not be hard to learn but will it reliably handle the samba files with names like "Bob's ideas about marketing.doc" correctly? 2. I have 72 GB ram but am planning to run a Windows guest and Linux guest with Oracle database on behyve as well as a few jails. Concerned ZFS will eat up too much memory. 3. Not really convinced that "bit-rot" should be a concern. I understand it is real. But, in the past 15 years I can't recall coming across a single corrupted data (pdf, word doc, ledger, mp3, etc) file. I currently manage about 4TB of data and it grows by about 500 or 600 GB per year. Have been using ext3 and ext4 on debian linux for the past 15 years. 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Februar 2021, 13:00:01 CET Abner Gershon <6731955@gmail.com> wrote: > Appreciate your advice. There seems to be overwhelming enthusiasm for > ZFS. This enthusiasm is justified. ZFS offers many advantages for your setup. > Maybe I am swimming against the current leaning toward UFS. My > reasons are: 1. Have relied on dump backups to LTO tape for the past > decade and am very comfortable with dump and restore. Sure, tar would > not be hard to learn but will it reliably handle the samba files with > names like "Bob's ideas about marketing.doc" correctly? You can use find(1) & cpio(1)'s -0 option to use zero-terminated filenames. > 2. I have 72 GB ram but am planning to run a Windows guest and Linux > guest with Oracle database on behyve as well as a few jails. > Concerned ZFS will eat up too much memory. Adjust the appropiate sysctl(8) knobs to restrict ZFS ARC cache size. ZFS dedup & cloning features are especially useful when working with jails and VMs. For Linux guests you don't need a VM anymore, Linux- branded jails are now in STABLE, i.e. about to come latest with 13-REL. Maybe they are already in 12.2, I don't know. > 3. Not really convinced that "bit-rot" should be a concern. I > understand it is real. But, in the past 15 years I can't recall > coming across a single corrupted data (pdf, word doc, ledger, mp3, > etc) file. I understand that walking over the street when the traffic lights show red is dangerous. But I never had an accident for over 40 years doing that... > I currently manage about 4TB of data and it grows by about > 500 or 600 GB per year. Have been using ext3 and ext4 on debian linux > for the past 15 years. Use 3+-way mirrors or RAID with double/triple parity on disks >8 TB. The reason is that on such large disks, the likelyhood of unrecoverable & undetected bit errors is astonishingly high. Without a checksum, these are undetected. ZFS offers strong checksums from platter to applications memory. -- =|o) "Stell' Dir vor es geht und keiner kriegt's hin." 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Everything I have read agrees with you that ZFS has advantages for jails and VMs. Iocage demands it. I may even do some scrubs now and then. You are also correct about Linux support in jails as of 12.2. Thanks. On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:34 AM Walter von Entferndt < walter.von.entferndt@posteo.net> wrote: > At Samstag, 6. Februar 2021, 13:00:01 CET Abner Gershon > <6731955@gmail.com> wrote: > > Appreciate your advice. There seems to be overwhelming enthusiasm for > > ZFS. > > This enthusiasm is justified. ZFS offers many advantages for your > setup. > > > Maybe I am swimming against the current leaning toward UFS. My > > reasons are: 1. Have relied on dump backups to LTO tape for the past > > decade and am very comfortable with dump and restore. Sure, tar would > > not be hard to learn but will it reliably handle the samba files with > > names like "Bob's ideas about marketing.doc" correctly? > > You can use find(1) & cpio(1)'s -0 option to use zero-terminated > filenames. > > > 2. I have 72 GB ram but am planning to run a Windows guest and Linux > > guest with Oracle database on behyve as well as a few jails. > > Concerned ZFS will eat up too much memory. > > Adjust the appropiate sysctl(8) knobs to restrict ZFS ARC cache size. > ZFS dedup & cloning features are especially useful when working with > jails and VMs. For Linux guests you don't need a VM anymore, Linux- > branded jails are now in STABLE, i.e. about to come latest with 13-REL. > Maybe they are already in 12.2, I don't know. > > > > 3. Not really convinced that "bit-rot" should be a concern. I > > understand it is real. But, in the past 15 years I can't recall > > coming across a single corrupted data (pdf, word doc, ledger, mp3, > > etc) file. > > I understand that walking over the street when the traffic lights show > red is dangerous. But I never had an accident for over 40 years doing > that... > > > I currently manage about 4TB of data and it grows by about > > 500 or 600 GB per year. Have been using ext3 and ext4 on debian linux > > for the past 15 years. > > Use 3+-way mirrors or RAID with double/triple parity on disks >8 TB. > The reason is that on such large disks, the likelyhood of unrecoverable > & undetected bit errors is astonishingly high. Without a checksum, > these are undetected. ZFS offers strong checksums from platter to > applications memory. > -- > =|o) "Stell' Dir vor es geht und keiner kriegt's hin." (Wolfgang Neuss) > > >