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Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7. Is there no maintainer for this port as this list is listed as maintainer. Erich From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 06:03:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1950C5BF46A for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from ook.raf.org (ook.raf.org [139.99.156.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F36WY6pcgz4Tc6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ook.raf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD105E25C for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:31 +1100 (AEDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ook.raf.org Received: from ook.raf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ook.raf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmAYBHHrvLpq for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:30 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by ook.raf.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B41235E268; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:30 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:30 +1100 From: raf To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone Message-ID: <20210321060330.6f7gqsq3an5ccrxj@raf.org> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F36WY6pcgz4Tc6 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=raf.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@raf.org designates 139.99.156.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@raf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:139.99.156.21]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[raf.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:139.99.128.0/17, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:03:40 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:31:34AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just noticed that Malaysia is in the same time zone as Jawa > (Indonesia) and Thailand. Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for > Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7.=20 >=20 > Is there no maintainer for this port as this list is listed as > maintainer. >=20 > Erich Hi, I don't know anything about the sunclock port on FreeBSD, but I have been using it on Linux and macOS for decades, so I thought I pipe up. Part of Malaysia (the part containing Kuala Lumpur) is directly South of Thailand, so it wouldn't be surprising if that part had the same timezone as Thailand. Perhaps the other part (around Brunei) has a different time zone, and Wikipedia is referring to that part? If so, maybe Wikipedia is incomplete? I must admit, I don't know where to see timezone information in sunclock. I can click on places, and it shows the solar time, which makes sense, and the solar time between the two parts of Malaysia are about an hour apart. Ah, it's in the Sunclockrc file. But it only seems to store timezones for cities, not countries, and I think the only Malaysian city it has is Kuala Lumpur. It contains these lines (for part of Malaysia and Thailand): addcity 2|Kuala=1FLumpur|3.133|101.700|PST-8 addcity 2|Bangkok|13.833|100.483|TST-7 You'd think that they'd have their own timezone abbreviations, and not have to borrow abbreviations =66rom other countries so many timezones away. I don't even know what TST is supposed to mean. I wonder if it will accept "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead of "PST-8". But when I click on Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur, these timezones in the Sunclockrc file don't seem to matter. It still shows the solar time (they are about 5 minutes apart). I can't see that there's anything actually wrong with the way it's behaving. How are you seeing these timezones in sunclock for different countries? The manpage says that the timezone needs to be the name of a file under /usr/share/zoneinfo (or whatever directory is used on your system). So it should accept "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead of "PST-8". Can you see if that works? If so, I'd be willing to do an audit and update all of the timezones in Sunclockrc to use the modern, geographic names for timezones. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.201.17.91:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.201.17.91:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:17:21 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:30 +1100 raf wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:31:34AM +0800, Erich Dollansky > wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I just noticed that Malaysia is in the same time zone as Jawa > > (Indonesia) and Thailand. Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for > > Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7.=20 > >=20 > > Is there no maintainer for this port as this list is listed as > > maintainer. > >=20 > > Erich =20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I don't know anything about the sunclock port on > FreeBSD, but I have been using it on Linux and macOS > for decades, so I thought I pipe up. >=20 > Part of Malaysia (the part containing Kuala Lumpur) is > directly South of Thailand, so it wouldn't be > surprising if that part had the same timezone as Malaysia is in the wrong time zone just as Singapore. > Thailand. Perhaps the other part (around Brunei) has a > different time zone, and Wikipedia is referring to that > part? If so, maybe Wikipedia is incomplete? >=20 Wikipedia matches my experience. > I must admit, I don't know where to see timezone > information in sunclock. I can click on places, and it > shows the solar time, which makes sense, and the solar > time between the two parts of Malaysia are about an > hour apart. >=20 > Ah, it's in the Sunclockrc file. But it only seems to > store timezones for cities, not countries, and I think > the only Malaysian city it has is Kuala Lumpur. Yes, and the information given for Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta are correct. >=20 > It contains these lines (for part of Malaysia and > Thailand): >=20 > addcity 2|Kuala=1FLumpur|3.133|101.700|PST-8 > addcity 2|Bangkok|13.833|100.483|TST-7 >=20 > You'd think that they'd have their own timezone > abbreviations, and not have to borrow abbreviations > from other countries so many timezones away. I don't > even know what TST is supposed to mean. The time zone abbreviations are also unknown to me. >=20 > I wonder if it will accept "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead > of "PST-8". >=20 > But when I click on Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur, these > timezones in the Sunclockrc file don't seem to matter. > It still shows the solar time (they are about 5 minutes > apart). >=20 > I can't see that there's anything actually wrong with > the way it's behaving. >=20 > How are you seeing these timezones in sunclock for > different countries? I display the map of the globe. Each time zone gets a colour. The colours repeat with distance but direct neighbours have always different colours. >=20 > The manpage says that the timezone needs to be the name > of a file under /usr/share/zoneinfo (or whatever > directory is used on your system). So it should accept > "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead of "PST-8". >=20 > Can you see if that works? If so, I'd be willing to do > an audit and update all of the timezones in Sunclockrc > to use the modern, geographic names for timezones. It > would take a while, though. >=20 We first would have to get an idea of where to look. When showing the map, Malaysia should share the colour with China. But it shares its colour with Thailand an the western part of Indonesia. Erich > cheers, > raf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 08:16:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29F456B612 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F39SV5w7vz4bCs for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (unknown [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0691280EB; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 057042635BE; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:03 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:03 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Erich Dollansky Cc: raf , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone Message-ID: <20210321081602.GE60525@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321060330.6f7gqsq3an5ccrxj@raf.org> <20210321063941.6e02a7f0.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5xSkJheCpeK0RUEJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210321063941.6e02a7f0.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. 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Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for >>> Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7. >>> >>> Is there no maintainer for this port as this list is listed as >>> maintainer. >> >> I don't know anything about the sunclock port on >> FreeBSD, but I have been using it on Linux and macOS >> for decades, so I thought I pipe up. >> >> Part of Malaysia (the part containing Kuala Lumpur) is >> directly South of Thailand, so it wouldn't be >> surprising if that part had the same timezone as > > Malaysia is in the wrong time zone just as Singapore. Malaysia and Singapore are in the correct time zones, UTC+8. So is Thailand. That's what their governments decided. Time zones have only a passing similarity with solar time. In (West) Malaysia's case, they decided to adopt the East Malaysian time to get rid of the discrepancy. Before that, it was UTC+7:30 in the west and UTC+8 in the east. You can find all this in so many places, but the easiest might be https://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/large-world-time-zone-map.sh= tml or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia. >> Perhaps the other part (around Brunei) has a different time zone, >> and Wikipedia is referring to that part? If so, maybe Wikipedia is >> incomplete? No, Wikipedia is correct in this case. So is the tz database at /usr/src/contrib/tzdata/asia >> I must admit, I don't know where to see timezone information in >> sunclock. I can click on places, and it shows the solar time, which >> makes sense, and the solar time between the two parts of Malaysia >> are about an hour apart. >> >> Ah, it's in the Sunclockrc file. But it only seems to >> store timezones for cities, not countries, and I think >> the only Malaysian city it has is Kuala Lumpur. > > Yes, and the information given for Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta > are correct. FWIW, since 1 January 1982 Malaysia has only one time zone, with offset UTC+8. Singapore chose to go with Malaysia on the same date. >> It contains these lines (for part of Malaysia and >> Thailand): >> >> addcity 2|Kuala=1FLumpur|3.133|101.700|PST-8 >> addcity 2|Bangkok|13.833|100.483|TST-7 >> >> You'd think that they'd have their own timezone >> abbreviations, and not have to borrow abbreviations >> from other countries so many timezones away. I don't >> even know what TST is supposed to mean. > > The time zone abbreviations are also unknown to me. Indeed, it doesn't inspire confidence. >> The manpage says that the timezone needs to be the name >> of a file under /usr/share/zoneinfo (or whatever >> directory is used on your system). So it should accept >> "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead of "PST-8". >> >> Can you see if that works? If so, I'd be willing to do >> an audit and update all of the timezones in Sunclockrc >> to use the modern, geographic names for timezones. It >> would take a while, though. > > We first would have to get an idea of where to look. When showing > the map, Malaysia should share the colour with China. But it shares > its colour with Thailand an the western part of Indonesia. I've lost track of the map, but it's not important. There's no dispute about the time zones in the four countries (except that Indonesia has several time zones, and only Waktu Indonesia Tengah matches Malaysia. But Java is in Waktu Indonesia Barat, UTC+7). Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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[209.85.167.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm1166875lfc.137.2021.03.21.01.40.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id q29so16421222lfb.4; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a19:98a:: with SMTP id 132mr5941786lfj.139.1616316048951; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:40:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2852426.slGk94SIus@beastie.bionicmutton.org> <805725be-e806-5563-5788-538b67cf9ea7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <805725be-e806-5563-5788-538b67cf9ea7@gmail.com> From: Gleb Popov Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:40:20 +0300 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: kf5-kparts-5.80.0 error update To: "Alex V. Petrov" Cc: "kde@FreeBSD.org" , "ports@FreeBSD.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3B0z38zfz4cXl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:40:51 -0000 On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 7:29 PM Alex V. Petrov wrote: > What does dirty mean? > I only update the previously installed ports (portmaster -a). > > What need do in my case? > Try `pkg delete -f kf5-kparts` and then `portmaster kf5-kparts` again. > 20.03.2021 22:59, Adriaan de Groot =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > On Saturday, 20 March 2021 04:42:32 CET Alex V. Petrov wrote: > > > >> =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for kf5-kparts-5.79.0 failed > >> =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update > > > > Looks like you're trying to install in a dirty (previous version is > installed) > > system. Please don't do that. > > > > The log isn't all that useful: it looks like the build is repeatedly > > regenerating itself, which might be https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ > > show_bug.cgi?id=3D239512 , but for that we'd need to know why the build= is > re- > > generating. > > > > [ade] > > > > -- > ----- > Alex. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 15:59:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C155AD17D for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from groot@kde.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2lnx2zcZz4gXZ for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from groot@kde.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 646B05AD2FD; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643235AD0D9 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from groot@kde.org) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.xs4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2lnx0lYwz4gwn; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from groot@kde.org) Received: from cust-d4a83f22 ([IPv6:fc0c:c11d:cecc:f58a:eaa1:c0:9d8f:c143]) by smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net with ESMTPA id Ne0tlT4zdGEYcNe0vlTiGI; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:59:46 +0100 From: Adriaan de Groot To: kde@freebsd.org, kde-freebsd@kde.org Cc: ports@freebsd.org, "Alex V. Petrov" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: kf5-kparts-5.80.0 error update Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:59:36 +0100 Message-ID: <2852426.slGk94SIus@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Organization: KDE.org In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2900475.hHqAuc6tWs"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfCpwIEMEQRjgikNHzueDU4JcLJwRVC6TbVvA7xdsh/kmZWE+rVIb01IDl5wreNaniKnc6nhV3PyTl34wQOMJXvgq1EjJDWXCbd0u5zVjHH1Gshzm+jVt 4PJ+MxKabnUCL1D0KNXuF2Z9F/wQrl9kumsIZtzX8l3j/VPSJV+rLBP9BkRV9Yql9TZsUGnJarQmg5oeOwzRtZeBPa67X0LvvC51Lg5eJ1H1BMx5qgjhU9O2 WMB2kxIRmyP2At4NazDK8YiGy592X87V37bz4uQKO+zKvXaG2cNax1urqPbhEdn1yGdjkqqHMCOE2vLpw5urVglbN0K6//AiyuVfj61J23o= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2lnx0lYwz4gwn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:05:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 15:59:49 -0000 --nextPart2900475.hHqAuc6tWs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Adriaan de Groot To: kde@freebsd.org, kde-freebsd@kde.org Cc: ports@freebsd.org, "Alex V. Petrov" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: kf5-kparts-5.80.0 error update Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 16:59:36 +0100 Message-ID: <2852426.slGk94SIus@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Organization: KDE.org In-Reply-To: References: On Saturday, 20 March 2021 04:42:32 CET Alex V. Petrov wrote: > ===>>> Update for kf5-kparts-5.79.0 failed > ===>>> Aborting update Looks like you're trying to install in a dirty (previous version is installed) system. Please don't do that. The log isn't all that useful: it looks like the build is repeatedly regenerating itself, which might be https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ show_bug.cgi?id=239512 , but for that we'd need to know why the build is re- generating. [ade] --nextPart2900475.hHqAuc6tWs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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[84.22.141.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b25sm1504947ljo.80.2021.03.21.05.36.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 05:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: kf5-kparts-5.80.0 error update To: Gleb Popov , "Alex V. Petrov" Cc: "kde@FreeBSD.org" , "ports@FreeBSD.org" References: <2852426.slGk94SIus@beastie.bionicmutton.org> <805725be-e806-5563-5788-538b67cf9ea7@gmail.com> From: "Alex V. Petrov" Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:36:21 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: ru Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3HDn4l9Rz4qS3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:36:26 -0000 Some ports were built only with the key "-j1". My system is latest 13-stable. 21.03.2021 15:40, Gleb Popov пишет: > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 7:29 PM Alex V. Petrov > wrote: > > What does dirty mean? > I only update the previously installed ports (portmaster -a). > > What need do in my case? > > > Try `pkg delete -f kf5-kparts` and then `portmaster kf5-kparts` again. > > > 20.03.2021 22:59, Adriaan de Groot пишет: > > On Saturday, 20 March 2021 04:42:32 CET Alex V. Petrov wrote: > > > >> ===>>> Update for kf5-kparts-5.79.0 failed > >> ===>>> Aborting update > > > > Looks like you're trying to install in a dirty (previous version > is installed) > > system. Please don't do that. > > > > The log isn't all that useful: it looks like the build is repeatedly > > regenerating itself, which might be > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ > > show_bug.cgi?id=239512 , but for that we'd need to know why the > build is re- > > generating. > > > > [ade] > > > > -- > ----- > Alex. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing > list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > -- ----- Alex. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:19:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8ADD57CF24 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3PWg1nymz3QZg for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:19:41 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <33A0033A-952A-420D-800D-0DE19C7922FB@kreme.com> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3PWg1nymz3QZg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:19:44 -0000 On 20 Mar 2021, at 21:31, Erich Dollansky = wrote: > I just noticed that Malaysia is in the same time zone as Jawa > (Indonesia) and Thailand. Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for > Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7.=20 The time zone amp around Malaysia is very odd, but it appears to NOT = share the same time zone as Thailand at all, but shares a time with = China dn the Philippines. 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.201.17.85:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.201.17.85:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.201.17.85:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:57:33 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:19:41 -0600 "@lbutlr" wrote: > yes, this map shows how I recall the time zones of these countries. Sunclock's map has Malaysia coloured like Thailand and the Jawa. So, as long as nobody knows how to edit the map, it will stay like this then. Erich From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 02:32:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E515767D9 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:32:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from ook.raf.org (ook.raf.org [139.99.156.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3dnK2BFkz4lTw for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:32:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ook.raf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A205DE48; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:32:19 +1100 (AEDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ook.raf.org Received: from ook.raf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ook.raf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nyowzcaHzeMT; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:32:18 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by ook.raf.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8B6925E4FA; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:32:18 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:32:18 +1100 From: raf To: Erich Dollansky Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone Message-ID: <20210322023218.siffsjy23cnitd4d@raf.org> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321060330.6f7gqsq3an5ccrxj@raf.org> <20210321065743.2c7b27f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210321065743.2c7b27f7.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3dnK2BFkz4lTw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=raf.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@raf.org designates 139.99.156.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@raf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:139.99.156.21]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[raf.org,none]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:139.99.128.0/17, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:32:22 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 02:57:43PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > it looks to me that the solution is here: > > /usr/local/share/sunclock/earthmaps/vmf > > There should be somewhere an editor for files like them. It could be > this: > > https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Map_Format > > Erich It's not that format. That's a map format for half-life. The vmf here stands for Vector Map Format. And it's probably not the vector map format mentioned here either: https://github.com/Autoware-AI/autoware.ai/issues/1158 It looks like a sunclock-specific text format that can only be edited manually. But the format is documented in the source. Here's a time zone map image that shows the same kind of lines as those in vmf/timezones.vmf: https://www.worldtimezone.com/ Actually, the time zone lines there match those in the vmf file. It looks like it's only the colour of (West) Malaysia that's wrong. It doesn't match the colour of (East) Malaysia even though they are in the same segment. That might make it easier to fix (or maybe not). I'll try to find Malaysia in the timezones.vmf file but it looks tricky. cheers, raf From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 02:38:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C0457697D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from ook.raf.org (ook.raf.org [139.99.156.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3dwC44MYz4lhD; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ook.raf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1715DE48; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:38:17 +1100 (AEDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ook.raf.org Received: from ook.raf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ook.raf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17WGqVKA5A1K; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:38:17 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by ook.raf.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 013DF5E4FA; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:38:16 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:38:16 +1100 From: raf To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone Message-ID: <20210322023816.5uo5edtg5jdy4ggx@raf.org> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321060330.6f7gqsq3an5ccrxj@raf.org> <20210321063941.6e02a7f0.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321081602.GE60525@eureka.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20210321081602.GE60525@eureka.lemis.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3dwC44MYz4lhD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=raf.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@raf.org designates 139.99.156.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@raf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:139.99.156.21]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.896]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[raf.org,none]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:139.99.128.0/17, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:38:20 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 07:16:03PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 21 March 2021 at 14:39:41 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:03:30 +1100 > > raf wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:31:34AM +0800, Erich Dollansky > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I just noticed that Malaysia is in the same time zone as Jawa > >>> (Indonesia) and Thailand. Wikipedia says for Malaysia UTC+8 and for > >>> Jawa and Thailand UTC + 7. > >>> > >>> Is there no maintainer for this port as this list is listed as > >>> maintainer. > >> > >> I don't know anything about the sunclock port on > >> FreeBSD, but I have been using it on Linux and macOS > >> for decades, so I thought I pipe up. > >> > >> Part of Malaysia (the part containing Kuala Lumpur) is > >> directly South of Thailand, so it wouldn't be > >> surprising if that part had the same timezone as > > > > Malaysia is in the wrong time zone just as Singapore. >=20 > Malaysia and Singapore are in the correct time zones, UTC+8. So is > Thailand. That's what their governments decided. Time zones have > only a passing similarity with solar time. In (West) Malaysia's case, > they decided to adopt the East Malaysian time to get rid of the > discrepancy. Before that, it was UTC+7:30 in the west and UTC+8 in > the east. You can find all this in so many places, but the easiest > might be > https://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/large-world-time-zone-map.= shtml > or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia. >=20 > >> Perhaps the other part (around Brunei) has a different time zone, > >> and Wikipedia is referring to that part? If so, maybe Wikipedia is > >> incomplete? >=20 > No, Wikipedia is correct in this case. So is the tz database at > /usr/src/contrib/tzdata/asia >=20 > >> I must admit, I don't know where to see timezone information in > >> sunclock. I can click on places, and it shows the solar time, which > >> makes sense, and the solar time between the two parts of Malaysia > >> are about an hour apart. > >> > >> Ah, it's in the Sunclockrc file. But it only seems to > >> store timezones for cities, not countries, and I think > >> the only Malaysian city it has is Kuala Lumpur. > > > > Yes, and the information given for Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta > > are correct. >=20 > FWIW, since 1 January 1982 Malaysia has only one time zone, with > offset UTC+8. Singapore chose to go with Malaysia on the same date. >=20 > >> It contains these lines (for part of Malaysia and > >> Thailand): > >> > >> addcity 2|Kuala=1FLumpur|3.133|101.700|PST-8 > >> addcity 2|Bangkok|13.833|100.483|TST-7 > >> > >> You'd think that they'd have their own timezone > >> abbreviations, and not have to borrow abbreviations > >> from other countries so many timezones away. I don't > >> even know what TST is supposed to mean. > > > > The time zone abbreviations are also unknown to me. >=20 > Indeed, it doesn't inspire confidence. >=20 > >> The manpage says that the timezone needs to be the name > >> of a file under /usr/share/zoneinfo (or whatever > >> directory is used on your system). So it should accept > >> "Asia/Kuala_Lumpur" instead of "PST-8". > >> > >> Can you see if that works? If so, I'd be willing to do > >> an audit and update all of the timezones in Sunclockrc > >> to use the modern, geographic names for timezones. It > >> would take a while, though. > > > > We first would have to get an idea of where to look. When showing > > the map, Malaysia should share the colour with China. But it shares > > its colour with Thailand an the western part of Indonesia. >=20 > I've lost track of the map, but it's not important. There's no > dispute about the time zones in the four countries (except that > Indonesia has several time zones, and only Waktu Indonesia Tengah > matches Malaysia. But Java is in Waktu Indonesia Barat, UTC+7). >=20 > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA Thanks, Greg. A better map for the purpose or comparison with sunclock's is: https://www.worldtimezone.com/ If I can wrap my head around the vmf format enough to fix it (I may be some time), I'll try to modernise the timezones in the sunclockrc file (that's if they're actually used for anything). cheers, raf From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 03:17:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77919577D1E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com) Received: from APC01-SG2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092253099.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.253.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3fmv25NFz4n81 for ; 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FORGED_MUA_SEAMONKEY_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[40.92.253.99:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.92.253.99:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.253.99:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:17:04 -0000 It looked interesting, so I took a peek. :) It looks like /usr/local/share/sunclock/Sunclockrc can be overridden by ~/.sunclockrc. Then, it seems that the time difference applied is using the environment variable TZ. 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[100.16.222.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 124sm10716323qkn.121.2021.03.22.06.40.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:40:03 -0400 From: Shawn Webb To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: TCL and Unicode Message-ID: <20210322134003.hhdmq6ljxun4tsyn@mutt-hbsd> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hbsd 14.0-CURRENT-HBSD FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT-HBSD X-PGP-Key: https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/blob/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w7udn57l2mda5kaq" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3wbp33c7z3Qgy X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=hardenedbsd.org header.s=google header.b=MM7OVDbl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hardenedbsd.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.885]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[100.16.222.53:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hardenedbsd.org:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hardenedbsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:40:07 -0000 --w7udn57l2mda5kaq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, I'm tracking down a regression in ports regarding TCL and unicode. The primary victim of the problem is databases/sqlite3. Note that I use freebsd-ports on github as my upstream, so I'll be using git commit hashes from that repo. The sqlite3 build failure can be seen at [1]. If I revert commit 787aad81fc79d441fb0c9a750e6e33b6c0ea7ac6, sqlite3 builds fine. I noticed a few key changes from that commit: The build of sqlite3 depends on TCL: instead of using the distfile that has the autoconf artifacts pre-generated, the distfile without the autoconf artifacts is used (changing from sqlite-autoconf-3340100.tar.gz to sqlite-src-3340100.zip). This means that the TCL-based autoconf artifacts must be generated locally. At least, partially. It seems that the only part of the build that depends on TCL is the sqlite3_analyzer. Admittedly, this change is somewhat confusing to me. I'm having somewhat of a hard time knowing whether it's TCL or sqlite3 itself as the main culprit. Any guidance is appreciated. [1]: http://ci-08.md.hardenedbsd.org/data/hardenedbsd-current_amd64-local/2= 021-03-21_13h53m43s/logs/errors/sqlite3-3.34.1,1.log Thanks, --=20 Shawn Webb Cofounder / Security Engineer HardenedBSD https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A= 4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc --w7udn57l2mda5kaq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEA6TL67gupaZ9nzhT/y5nonf44foFAmBYnjEACgkQ/y5nonf4 4fo+2g//SeNNIeefHNWgcH+cBbr1kvCzMHp24xIQ4gt+SHr16pRwRLRM+TWiG8B0 TvEwTiyjM0nIQe18+MPTPNK3xUUN2jWnxt/9jZoFR1+Jh2+87gzYGiqgaxwAev7J xGdDx2rjaAob3wa75d6bF3P92EotAYfiYGWH8MogGqmnI4l4Dg6/SCVAgTnZu+1t YRuXsvfxyNOW1CCHlwao7Lb8gSQNHuhkZt7t0G4FTjlLosBlB6OkNQtHz/yzrIQ/ xssaS5nvkJN2mSXvaz9+Itb0XvxjTJL06F2YfpTkVTJVl4Q2HsTI6va75PxQgQ4o SFNXU0Pwcpe8eIX2xWH6UrctjPUdDZD/uOf5tGJ7BWjKKV5zm89BhSWcRWqks/vY fwUXha0uPrz8XaVDct+NWgaSymk1TpKXzLVCZ115nIHnwYcB/SUQny+4ipDgsizF 78EFBqC1luuToOjbkt/Pp9GhnzeOJYdDfYeB7KmRZjp9N5KM7tdyLo7oyUeLPWbW IH07Jrz4Nfxp+b3hQJjvGhtXUqQ1cgIZV1SXCOaoYwRl9TLzbQovjXexhopeeihf NuTkI6bn4yrGw5P8Wz5URZy8hxuqT6sTpokieOwomGB5dIm3czW18wECZH4RGFCh +kk+ydYpbP9hyLS29BnXCcZ8E9HtXi5rkoi269kUsBpf7cduz18= =FiFs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w7udn57l2mda5kaq-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 13:50:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B235AF4CA for ; 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I think it's related to the update. > > Mar 14 01:47:40 supernews pkg[40249]: mosquitto upgraded: 1.6.7_1 -> 2.0.8 > > The rc.d sript for net/mosquitto greps for pidfile. > > re: > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/net/mosquitto/files/mosquitto.in?revision=481153&view=markup#l30 > > The documentation refers to pid_file, not pidfile. > > re: http://mosquitto.org/man/mosquitto-conf-5.html > > I think the rc.d script needs an update. I'd help with a patch, but I > can't get a working solution. > > $ grep pid /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mosquitto > pidfile=$(grep pid_file ${mosquitto_config} | awk '{print($2)}') > echo "pidfile = '$pidfile'" > rm -f $pidfile > > $ sudo service mosquitto start > pidfile = '/var/run/mosquitto.pid' > Starting mosquitto. > > $ ps auwwx | grep mos > dan 20215 0.0 0.0 11404 2260 1 S+ 20:12 0:00.00 grep mos > $ > > > > $ sudo /usr/local/sbin/mosquitto -c /usr/local/etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf -v > 1616184446: Error: Unable to write pid file. > > $ ls -ld /var/run > drwxr-xr-x 15 root wheel 1024 Mar 19 20:12 /var/run > > $ ls -l /var/run/mosquitto.pid > ls: /var/run/mosquitto.pid: No such file or directory Solved. At least for me. In addition to the rc.d file change: $ sudo mkdir /var/run/mosquitto $ sudo chown mosquitto:mosquitto /var/run/mosquitto Adjust /usr/local/etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.conf to use this new pid file location. Alter passwd file permissions: $ sudo chgrp mosquitto /usr/local/etc/mosquitto/mosquitto.passwd Modify certificate permissions: $ ls -l /us/usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key -rw------- 1 root wheel 1675 Apr 11 2018 /usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key $ sudo chgrp mosquitto /usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key $ sudo chmod g+r /usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key $ ls -l /usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key -rw-r----- 1 root mosquitto 1675 Apr 11 2018 /usr/local/etc/ssl/example.org.key Why all this? It seems that mosquitto is now dropping privs before writing the PID file and before reading the certificate and password files. Hope this helps -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 16:48:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2DC5B4B23; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F40mh5Yh0z4R0l; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from John-Baldwins-MacBook-Pro.local (ralph.baldwin.cx [66.234.199.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11168B71E; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: On 14-CURRENT: no ports options anymore? To: Guido Falsi , "Hartmann, O." , FreeBSD Ports Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT References: <20210313201702.5f9dfa9b@hermann.fritz.box> <8a39cc8f-df2b-8a43-54c4-44eebb4b12de@madpilot.net> From: John Baldwin Message-ID: <0e0c17f6-a3ad-a8a0-492e-25e3c8688c70@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:47:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8a39cc8f-df2b-8a43-54c4-44eebb4b12de@madpilot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:48:04 -0000 On 3/13/21 12:58 PM, Guido Falsi via freebsd-current wrote: > On 13/03/21 20:17, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> Since I moved on to 14-CURRENT, I face a very strange behaviour when trying to set >> options via "make config" or via poudriere accordingly. I always get "===> Options >> unchanged" (when options has been already set and I'd expect a dialog menu). >> This misbehaviour is throughout ALL 14-CURRENT systems (the oldest is at FreeBSD >> 14.0-CURRENT #49 main-n245422-cecfaf9bede9: Fri Mar 12 16:08:09 CET 2021 amd64). >> >> I do not see such a behaviour with 13-STABLE, 12-STABLE, 12.2-RELENG. >> >> How to fix this? What happened? > > I encountered something similar, some base shared library has changed, > guess this is related with the ncurses changes in base. > > If I remember correctly force reinstalling dialog4ports package fixed > it. Make sure you reinstall a freshly rebuilt one. > > Most probably anything using ncurses will require rebuild/reinstall. > > The cause is dialog4ports failing to start and the system sees no option > changed. > > If that's not enough try > > # ldd -v /usr/local/bin/dialog4ports > > And see if it reports some useful information. There was an ABI breakage for ncurses that broke 12.x dialog4ports binaries. The shared library versions for everything that depended on ncurses were bumped for 13 and 14 after the branch of stable/13.0 (commit 6e1fe6d26ea2). After that commit, if you upgraded from 12 to 13 you should have been fine, but if you had updated before that, the 12.x dialog4ports was still going to fail as the 12.x version of those libraries were already broken. I haven't checked to see if the affected libraries have been added to misc/compat12x. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 17:32:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015B05B643C for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F41m86fG5z4WHr; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tensor.andric.com (tensor.andric.com [IPv6:2001:470:7a58:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "tensor.andric.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: dim) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C1C82C20A; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:7a58:0:905a:1b8c:250a:d4bd] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:7a58:0:905a:1b8c:250a:d4bd]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B38231944; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:32:38 +0100 (CET) From: Dimitry Andric Message-Id: <829C6E3C-12B3-44FC-8B18-D3F0ACA87B57@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E3C40213-F80A-418E-9C9B-1BA396F3757B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: Re: TCL and Unicode Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:32:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20210322134003.hhdmq6ljxun4tsyn@mutt-hbsd> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org To: Shawn Webb References: <20210322134003.hhdmq6ljxun4tsyn@mutt-hbsd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:32:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E3C40213-F80A-418E-9C9B-1BA396F3757B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 22 Mar 2021, at 14:40, Shawn Webb wrote: >=20 > I'm tracking down a regression in ports regarding TCL and unicode. The > primary victim of the problem is databases/sqlite3. Note that I use > freebsd-ports on github as my upstream, so I'll be using git commit > hashes from that repo. >=20 > The sqlite3 build failure can be seen at [1]. >=20 > If I revert commit 787aad81fc79d441fb0c9a750e6e33b6c0ea7ac6, sqlite3 > builds fine. I noticed a few key changes from that commit: >=20 > The build of sqlite3 depends on TCL: instead of using the distfile > that has the autoconf artifacts pre-generated, the distfile without > the autoconf artifacts is used (changing from > sqlite-autoconf-3340100.tar.gz to sqlite-src-3340100.zip). This > means that the TCL-based autoconf artifacts must be generated > locally. At least, partially. It seems that the only part of the > build that depends on TCL is the sqlite3_analyzer. >=20 > Admittedly, this change is somewhat confusing to me. I'm having > somewhat of a hard time knowing whether it's TCL or sqlite3 itself > as the main culprit. >=20 > Any guidance is appreciated. >=20 > [1]: = http://ci-08.md.hardenedbsd.org/data/hardenedbsd-current_amd64-local/2021-= 03-21_13h53m43s/logs/errors/sqlite3-3.34.1,1.log Hi Shawn, It builds fine for me locally on 14.0-CURRENT (as of ~2 days ago), and indeed the sqlite3.c file is now dynamically generated by tcl. In your CI failure case, it looks like something is inserting blobs of zero bytes into the resulting file, though? So either the file system is going bad, or tcl is outputting nonsense, for some reason. 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::532:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::532:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::532:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:39:23 -0000 On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:11 AM Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 12:59 AM Shane Ambler wrote: > > > > On 31/12/20 7:49 am, Diane Bruce wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:01:05AM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote: > > >> > > >> The issue is in cmake - I have just reported it as a bug > > >> > > >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252277 > > > > > > Thanks for tracking this down! This bug of course fails to show > > > up on poudriere. > > > > poudriere builds ports in a clean environment, there is usually just one > > python version available when it builds a port. > > > > >> > > >> For a workaround try adding the following to the end of the libarcus > > >> Makefile (above the last .include line) indents are tabs not spaces > > >> The same addition should also work for libsavitar > > >> > > >> post-patch: > > >> ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|VERSION_LESS 3.12|VERSION_LESS 4.12|g' \ > > >> ${WRKSRC}/CMakeLists.txt \ > > >> ${WRKSRC}/cmake/FindSIP.cmake > > >> > > > > > > Should we do this for now? Or wait for CMake to be fixed? > > > I can certainly add this snippet to the port for now. > > > > You can use that yourself to allow you to build your own ports until > > cmake gets an update relating to this. > > (for completeness) I can confirm that the workaround works, for both > libarcus and libsavitar. > Thanks! > -- > Regards, > Torfinn Ingolfsen FYI, the workaround is still needed for libSavitar 4.5.0_5, as cmake 3.19.6 still has the bug described in https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252277 Have a nice day. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 18:42:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4197D5B82F2 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: from mail-qv1-xf36.google.com (mail-qv1-xf36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F43Jd13xtz4cM5 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org) Received: by mail-qv1-xf36.google.com with SMTP id 30so9162005qva.9 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hardenedbsd.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=7hMSFjDipGy8w4KUSth9zEYFKsBOGVjHvhrWHep754U=; b=Zqy7hTBLZ+FEPMl0VuQNQlQwjt/dIZMR08gpDgv7Nf9NjBz0xZRHKBIALG9CZTvGSt gWdruHKA+SHzrLFMmu8bIs8tUeHqJgmoPpHkAEaKA1rOERKpUiGkx9mtY3Yg+JrDHDAD 9yeRGAlYdxFxomQw/+SVa18c+Wd0wB2BlYd1UDvuJ84nxvhlbnMJJe2wvnOm9Gf4Ndeq EPUx3TnK+ML5p38KQNTuPh5Iou3brtZvbGygyXYZAblHAQga0YCGUsrklXyti7HMCnvp LQ5AAuuLTWIrLNKNLp9F2b35qLZDSO2PJYy5AaAdmVMCYTwij/LIRyfibDh9P54zLLb0 S30Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=7hMSFjDipGy8w4KUSth9zEYFKsBOGVjHvhrWHep754U=; b=WoeaWco7cJRdmD62FSyBpfVWpeVqfT6XwIkIVePzLhS3vso6cwiykq95VFLWY8t11v vYCa37jfSDl0ALG86QeT7TukQE/IJ5aJJCMnN9wf8nDZLZhsnDURSf2vYyE+VU7nS7Tl VLawZ2cvJHP/TVL20/OwJ1nEYB50J1jSDgAzYLbOl9nKNMSFK5+eiAM3YMa0MohSaIW6 R8DCJEgCcUNSpTKwunx2oKDCQxn17w3jFn8ojse+gVGzBfa+OmbpI/HdIgaSnJrIN6fq 3qfQfWiuZuNkuweSrJx+4OAPAm5fTrsHZz9qp1Zg03QTNHNFJW/v6ji7N3snvz+E4nZq CafQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53376NzWuBP2WUZBbHWdh7ZYekif9b+e6kMA8z5bbg+CuD9aR8yJ WMMGgByDjd/KkXHFIOL/z/K+aTIt+a6wRQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzXdnE5WJz6DUDU0Rl7KYKoeZ7acqzsimB5zp0kGRrGrYJnJMKsnaUV8rg+arnyxW0Ij4VJ6Q== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:55ef:: with SMTP id bu15mr1046189qvb.46.1616438543563; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutt-hbsd (pool-100-16-222-53.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [100.16.222.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5sm9715840qtc.42.2021.03.22.11.42.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Mar 2021 11:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:42:22 -0400 From: Shawn Webb To: Dimitry Andric Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TCL and Unicode Message-ID: <20210322184222.xhcomcjej32hmbi6@mutt-hbsd> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hbsd 14.0-CURRENT-HBSD FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT-HBSD X-PGP-Key: https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/blob/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc References: <20210322134003.hhdmq6ljxun4tsyn@mutt-hbsd> <829C6E3C-12B3-44FC-8B18-D3F0ACA87B57@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sgo4zfijb5r2yg5g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <829C6E3C-12B3-44FC-8B18-D3F0ACA87B57@FreeBSD.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F43Jd13xtz4cM5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:42:25 -0000 --sgo4zfijb5r2yg5g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 06:32:29PM +0100, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 22 Mar 2021, at 14:40, Shawn Webb wrote: > >=20 > > I'm tracking down a regression in ports regarding TCL and unicode. The > > primary victim of the problem is databases/sqlite3. Note that I use > > freebsd-ports on github as my upstream, so I'll be using git commit > > hashes from that repo. > >=20 > > The sqlite3 build failure can be seen at [1]. > >=20 > > If I revert commit 787aad81fc79d441fb0c9a750e6e33b6c0ea7ac6, sqlite3 > > builds fine. I noticed a few key changes from that commit: > >=20 > > The build of sqlite3 depends on TCL: instead of using the distfile > > that has the autoconf artifacts pre-generated, the distfile without > > the autoconf artifacts is used (changing from > > sqlite-autoconf-3340100.tar.gz to sqlite-src-3340100.zip). This > > means that the TCL-based autoconf artifacts must be generated > > locally. At least, partially. It seems that the only part of the > > build that depends on TCL is the sqlite3_analyzer. > >=20 > > Admittedly, this change is somewhat confusing to me. I'm having > > somewhat of a hard time knowing whether it's TCL or sqlite3 itself > > as the main culprit. > >=20 > > Any guidance is appreciated. > >=20 > > [1]: http://ci-08.md.hardenedbsd.org/data/hardenedbsd-current_amd64-loc= al/2021-03-21_13h53m43s/logs/errors/sqlite3-3.34.1,1.log >=20 > Hi Shawn, >=20 > It builds fine for me locally on 14.0-CURRENT (as of ~2 days ago), and > indeed the sqlite3.c file is now dynamically generated by tcl. >=20 > In your CI failure case, it looks like something is inserting blobs of > zero bytes into the resulting file, though? So either the file system > is going bad, or tcl is outputting nonsense, for some reason. At least, > I think you'll have to do some investigations in that direction... Looks like compiling lang/tcl86 with the following CFLAGS causes tcl to output invalid unicode for some reason: -ftrivial-auto-var-init=3Dzero -enable-trivial-auto-var-init-zero-knowing-it-will-be-removed-from-clang Thanks for the hint! --=20 Shawn Webb Cofounder / Security Engineer HardenedBSD https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A= 4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc --sgo4zfijb5r2yg5g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEA6TL67gupaZ9nzhT/y5nonf44foFAmBY5QsACgkQ/y5nonf4 4fqAew//Yln9E1cp7j5JRCZKFi3oAjCV6uEsFaqv38XpwGPHC34B/pe5TwfC9eg9 pqR1ojTGzoDRpwueBcT6ZTrWPwx6hZbA8EtUMhQHHSSoUJPfTzAAfyqc2dpWzeb1 l/l8TD72x+Ae3O4mfW6iyWSXGasVi1E45XOdRiarPiugeO6GPTc53su/b9Uysm18 Z4wVUCI87gilN93hjBn2+41+bZAVUw4nOlcP6nxaug6Rd+8KQlTkVYgUdQSsFgSj ldbkaSJVUCE05q9LdBdWxBbI9lJsOrtbxYGFlVuq9UfjvpPJH8mVA47DA+vD6gNI rUEOtRlwZzoG3RofYLUqkdS82BiuJa2g1Du150uxg+CnKoj0/0lKDdIYv+aKdR1R ssfM3nCOeoKPcJKeSIP59F7xR5DUvduoEh8MvaUiQmI/+601aP6BUgPriynJmtHr 5auJgXF0iYW0x5w6N0m6Zr2kLLED2e/KhtsRBK3MiHkMIlvvT5h/jwTd2/5DLalp +2uZTHmt+Njh4XUpqsGgoXEePsvvpcMd6PdhTcXD7BzsAM7r+fR/c9U26Re3+MYP 8iEL3cHgpbSZ3jQ2aUSBIKpb4FLVTG9qru4kRr0b9BViTxpbvlLb6A2FJ0vFOb0b XrbU2e5HbImvLGceUw5aLe8Jaiaum2m7k/a/FVrldUWyj2Vu8O0= =PmJU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sgo4zfijb5r2yg5g-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 23:27:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916095BD8B1 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from ook.raf.org (ook.raf.org [139.99.156.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F49d50NGBz4v4d for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@raf.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ook.raf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE045DE26; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:26:57 +1100 (AEDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ook.raf.org Received: from ook.raf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ook.raf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIKQgwhWAPiH; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:26:56 +1100 (AEDT) Received: by ook.raf.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 487075E4FA; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:26:56 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:26:56 +1100 From: raf To: Tatsuki Makino Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port: astro/sunclock: Malaysia is in the wrong time zone Message-ID: <20210322232656.mx2ginypdsmgex36@raf.org> References: <20210321033134.6379c9a3.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321060330.6f7gqsq3an5ccrxj@raf.org> <20210321063941.6e02a7f0.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <20210321081602.GE60525@eureka.lemis.com> <20210322023816.5uo5edtg5jdy4ggx@raf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F49d50NGBz4v4d X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=raf.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@raf.org designates 139.99.156.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@raf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:139.99.156.21]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[139.99.156.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[raf.org,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:139.99.128.0/17, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:27:07 -0000 On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 12:16:54PM +0900, Tatsuki Makino wrote: > It looked interesting, so I took a peek. :) > > It looks like /usr/local/share/sunclock/Sunclockrc can be overridden by ~/.sunclockrc. > Then, it seems that the time difference applied is using the environment variable TZ. > The following rewrite seems to be applicable. > > @@ -X,X +Y,Y @@ > -addcity 1|Tokyo|35.683|139.733|JST-9 > +addcity 1|Tokyo|35.683|139.733|Asia/Tokyo Hi, Thanks. I think an mass update of all the city timezones is needed. I suspect that the old abbreviations don't take daylight savings into account. But that won't change the colour of (west) Malaysia in the timezones.vmf file to match the other countries in the same timezone. That's a more difficult matter involving making changes to a file containing over 20,000 lines of numbers! And it seems that lots of operating system packaging systems are getting sunclock from locations that no longer exist. Macports gets it from an archive.org version of the original French website (arvernes.com). Debian Linux gets it from a github repo that no longer exists (mdoege/Sunclock). Arch Linux has its own readonly git repo. FreeBSD gets it from Debian. I found it elsewhere on github (nongiach/Sunclock). That seems to the only "upstream" copy left. I've created a new fork of it (rafork/Sunclock) in case that one ever disappears. The new repo will never be deleted as long as github lasts. cheers, raf From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 09:25:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3276857FD15 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4QvS0g3pz4Z0b for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 133B057FD90; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C9657FF02 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4QvR692zz4Z0Z for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C01641E8A4 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.10]) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12N9PN2d021128 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:23 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 12N9PNSY021127; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:23 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202103230925.12N9PNSY021127@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:23 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:25:24 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 20:06:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BF15BA6A3 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from mail.neu.net (neu.net [104.225.8.138]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freebsd-11-64", Issuer "freebsd-11-64" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4j725fYYz3thS for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Received: from neu.net (neu.net [104.225.8.138]) by mail.neu.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 12NK6E40042291 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:06:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@neu.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AN To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Ruby 2.7 - MOVED file format error (PortsDB::MOVEDError) Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=2.9 tests=none autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.neu.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4j725fYYz3thS X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of andy@neu.net has no SPF policy when checking 104.225.8.138) smtp.mailfrom=andy@neu.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[104.225.8.138:from]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[andy]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.225.8.138:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[neu.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.8.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:06:23 -0000 FreeBSD Free_BSD_13 13.0-STABLE FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE #20 stable/13-n245022-7d588615865: Tue Mar 23 14:01:24 EDT 2021 root@Free_BSD_13:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/MYKERNEL amd64 1300500 portupgrade recently broke due to ruby update Traceback (most recent call last): 13: from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:2380:in `
' 12: from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:238:in `main' 11: from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:238:in `new' 10: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/2.7/optparse.rb:1093:in `initialize' 9: from /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade:531:in `block in main' 8: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/pkgtools.rb:242:in `init_pkgtools_global' 7: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:181:in `setup' 6: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:181:in `new' 5: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:106:in `initialize' 4: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:111:in `fill' 3: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:111:in `open' 2: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:112:in `block in fill' 1: from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:112:in `each' /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/pkgtools/portsdb.rb:118:in `block (2 levels) in fill': MOVED file format error (PortsDB::MOVEDError) Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance. 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Would be great if someone could commit the fix here: I also wrote the upstream author a mail kindly asking to stop modifying published distfiles ;) Thanks Felix --=20 Dipl.-Inform. 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After installing cwm I got the notice that it is currently unmaintained and is looking for one so here I am :^) Unfortunately I have no prior experience with maintaining ports but I am willing to learn. Also the fact that cwm only updates every 6 months (Leah Neukirchens port even less) makes it probably easier maintaining due to the slow but steady update frequency. For questions feel free to reach back to me! P.S: I've been using *BSD systems, mostly OpenBSD, since mid-2019. As a Hobby C developer I am also familiar with the *BSD C library to some degree. Cheers, Emil Engler From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 06:40:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AD75ABA68 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4zBS6y0tz3LrD for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:40:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id 8so13008807ybc.13 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5912gP3NBLNp1gi72zZvVPwd5bYyUbtCfiAD3FnUOh8=; b=csqQENG7IuH6VsahsqfzNwGMdgv3tArRAATBC91KrYPOeki2gYubge1osqPyv3NCQl FHh5P1cjKf/7xpxVwQjUJRwQR9boKLAPRtTV9kI4sf3L66wWyuPAXQMA78M+5I8JqHB/ rrigWE9/h5eZFEFR+iiUiW4UzTkmVoNRZuol490Tf863CtF+YPSsKuo/abnfiohkiSy8 nAi4UruoT5mC9qepn9riCQ7PXPBdDfn9NMpejrrWci1ozwiYdhd9a8IwLUvV4p/frOE4 oGYVWNZtkgoefSqOlui8Dnvw64jgTETcm6qSLlzzeZ9cXDdBb6TR2dY9vK6E4LhR2GO0 buJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5912gP3NBLNp1gi72zZvVPwd5bYyUbtCfiAD3FnUOh8=; b=A+HGBMeqGi4q0/gZ1OS/fPMJOPnojCNULtl1L/3hA3A0x6Kt5C/VTIfBFl9xxHg7a/ F6+qmr/TkoTHUU88rOgbtlVF6cwIlAEf7wL47Nh7PFijNvGebJBNBRkq/7u3n2UsGMcB AkT2yhKNmCQCQQoey7F2SsS56XzCfTOQ7eu8Wly5B5vjmJKjov5k+STHmEYCAv2VlcSB 3Z0p4som2KdLgxnKvLIz8pktVtBauS7yaVeglLDXM4DOWP6sRP9BCUa1fl12prewOvR3 5TcxZCalda4Gnx4uORptj9jxb7xK0FvrGtcmqC7wBG6DwrUEAXmGooJpk2adCH356wX3 zGvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Md44sjChHrKFR/PhVOu8WLsU2tuB+vULZifsv1TuZJtRtUIiR NY1xUtvhs/WLCsDsT06WNVZ8lJgIWjjroZi3+MjMCv1NQ6G4+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyD6i3L30tNUNV+/NhUZ2E+IeC2RJMJRv+gxUiFN3tTstHN7prSzBtgns/jHefB/sZV5K7MQRmu/n84JYAYp5A= X-Received: by 2002:a25:5d8:: with SMTP id 207mr2703715ybf.418.1616568015862; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:40:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:37:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Maintainership of cwm To: Emil Engler Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4zBS6y0tz3LrD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=csqQENG7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.17 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.83)[subject]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:40:17 -0000 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:26 AM Emil Engler wrote: > > Hello freebsd-ports, > I recently switched to FreeBSD as my daily driver after using OpenBSD with cwm > for a bit over 6 months now. After installing cwm I got the notice that it is > currently unmaintained and is looking for one so here I am :^) > Unfortunately I have no prior experience with maintaining ports but I am > willing to learn. Also the fact that cwm only updates every 6 months (Leah > Neukirchens port even less) makes it probably easier maintaining due to the > slow but steady update frequency. Hi Emil, Thanks for stepping up. Would you mind opening a PR[1] for that? Cheers. [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ > > For questions feel free to reach back to me! > > P.S: I've been using *BSD systems, mostly OpenBSD, since mid-2019. As > a Hobby C developer I am also familiar with the *BSD C library to some degree. > > Cheers, > Emil Engler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 08:55:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD8F5AFAC4 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F52Bd3zjCz3jpm for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 888F45AFAC3; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C095AF933 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F52Bd3LbVz3kBJ for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 665CD1116D for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.10]) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12O8tbst083544 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 12O8tbGx083541; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202103240855.12O8tbGx083541@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:55:37 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. Please take the opportunity to check each of the ports listed below, and if possible and appropriate, submit/commit an update. If any ports have already been updated, you can safely ignore the entry. You will not be e-mailed again for any of the port/version combinations below. Full details can be found at the following URL: http://portscout.freebsd.org/ports@freebsd.org.html Port | Current version | New version ------------------------------------------------+-----------------+------------ net/eternalterminal | 5.1.9 | et-v6.1.6 ------------------------------------------------+-----------------+------------ sysutils/google-compute-engine-oslogin | 20191018.00 | 20210324.00 ------------------------------------------------+-----------------+------------ If any of the above results are invalid, please check the following page for details on how to improve portscout's detection and selection of distfiles on a per-port basis: http://portscout.freebsd.org/info/portscout-portconfig.txt Reported by: portscout! From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 11:33:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBCB5B2C4B for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL TLS DV RSA Mixed SHA256 2020 CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F55hF0xMLz3tMS; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:67:491:b08f:da57:d096:7e5] ([IPv6:2001:470:67:491:b08f:da57:d096:7e5]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 12OBWtar067380 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 12OBWtar067380 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1616585577; bh=Y8Dz8E24vmerSTS/g5/R2sB5yfcWLAKLUpZ/hTnu+yQ=; h=From:Subject:Date:Cc:To; z=From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|Subject:= 20DMA?|Date:=20Wed,=2024=20Mar=202021=2004:32:55=20-0700|Cc:=20gar ga@freebsd.org|To:=20FreeBSD=20Ports=20 ; b=Z0T7PFCZdkLGpsdsxFl0HSfs3kRMgXf9IrU2hjdQek8/oz0btWE1YwaC7WiAOPjn8 5RBvD0BLxR+joW6Y+ebOJ0IDjqnlA1rmgloSbpnkJjopv3WqhUZi7tKlxN5L9BHeZR SGBKjwouceXoQkA5rrd0q5P9kLQx/YZ1kpMSAwHKA0ETuaPOW1JcFAAnCNx0uJSp+s qmRtJspHfBjDXPcAtx9vVBnUN4NrWWUBcGk888MR73usDkOFhLAgAvLN4edk/SGtFH 4tlgppsLIZl1GXnwBrkv3E8BRqQ6LLCmH02vWJbjDKXdLDbQnbyWNMTnQhymOtzT13 c17SN/P8Q+blg== From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: DMA? Message-Id: <147C7359-B758-4C07-A286-62999189FBF9@gushi.org> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 04:32:55 -0700 Cc: garga@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD Ports X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10:0:0:0:142]); Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:32:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F55hF0xMLz3tMS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=Z0T7PFCZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gushi.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gushi.org,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.30)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gushi.org:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gushi.org:s=prime2014]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[gushi.org:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:33:02 -0000 Hey there all, Two things. 1) There=E2=80=99s an old PR to update the base version of DMA to = include recent changes (to 0.13 and beyond) 2) I notice dma is no longer in pkg, due to build failures. The day job uses this port. Can the build failures be fixed? -Dan From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 13:03:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D93D5B58CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rene@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F57j00Zybz4TPp for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rene@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 11C715B5A0A; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118F15B58CD for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rene@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F57j0032Nz4TPn for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rene@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1616591028; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zlPOtRgobQkeALsP0bm513GiqGB8nYgrnWUXr4bzYTo=; b=xN5TdDj4ZKQ5J3YST8G+8NYP91R5K0tJoO8TPrXGJDfK+d3uXkbgeZd02ePRdKLxKDgo91 zKpN2D3JJohlduCDgzAO3nCTWc8saI92mbUYNMJI1yNx5i8LoSxwniRkZJ028N6dQqIAk6 ByvKjw30gQLJxGfykGOwze0gTErZl08k87vL9Y+lNvoU/AH5RoPFfCLyKwel1tJ50mpexB RyL1MVY0JxcyjDvt37zzWRuk2ucJ0Vueiyw9uzIbk/B4a32REyLs2KFSaGY+uFbmVAgTFx bniWyDhx1R51v1EgGKqykVC7f0Te/O447I3gpKALXGcOCqT+19zD2T+T/kAT/g== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1185) id DE19F9B6A; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:47 +0000 From: Rene Ladan To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1616591028; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zlPOtRgobQkeALsP0bm513GiqGB8nYgrnWUXr4bzYTo=; b=h9cIFkGA8G2TtndBPqlQy8TZDAF7kwc+gTGnBu0squ/h2clIWmI3kXPCD+ub+i/hqntnrY taV79gpaDix7UPm5Uso1/xFrfbxXZHhy04Mrlg5BjuqFy0ZcjS7jpsLT6eCN0UNBP7slHV H9dRfCxGdrp1vRji02mzA3eCLZQzT72rRp1F7o9j77XT38D4SR1SNzgDcl2PRudVJ+YYV3 izUBqu0TafyvT/q8MjOkmYK/Dgl0t/RBf5USU+4nLy0/9L3t79UZTw3HsIRYo3Z8sxQemp dZQhfMscVpLXZsJK0/i1ckZk7L0blsvlFHmDOuNDVymJ4zrUzEEJDpvItYidhg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1616591028; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UX2v5niHVuTDABCkG1AS1+3OWFUUisuKOu3q2u1LRbq6Q0D7lN7HjKCw5bhVnVH5xPAbEE H+WSesNAKjmiq7lV4ViHIfi12V7IP4yq6cg1sZPEKTnNqW+dhdrtek6fjD88Ju+TEz3nFx pFdcyGv6E95DR9u4fla2LkDI89lWCq4zg78GDR9RgjuFxvsiQ87YLzzXPvmSENqeIl24pn fYA3pmp/K9mgqW8XBz+lpY3/YMwPGwDlRTDv2V2g8ME04jwyBuhWE+QysT8SW10aL5NyMq KLO3OHfpUF3UjG20cXnN5WXOAwlJ2X9PIKPyqWro9qt8A0kN8YaKjlCE8xFS2g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi, below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: - - all affected ports are now marked as deprecated, with an expiration date of either 2020-12-31 or 2021-06-23. - - we will have to wait for Chromium to fully switch to Python 3 before we can fully remove Python 2.7. This is work in progress on their side. Not waiting would imply removing www/chromium (obviously), editors/vscode (it escaped the recursive-deprecation dance of devel/electron*), but most importantly www/qt5-webengine which would drag half of KDE with it. However, lang/python27 will be marked as RESTRICTED so that all ports mentioned above can still be built and run, but Python 2.7 itself will not be available as a package. - - No more new ports having USES=python:2.7 or USES=python:2.7+ or existing ports reverting to that, no excuses. - - No usage of lang/tauthon by the framework or any port, no excuses. - - lang/tauthon will be removed on 2021-06-23 as noticed in the port itself, no excuses. Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any official Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate things. - - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@ with mlmmj. You can use `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no other way. - - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, Tauthon and any application using those languages in your local setup, by using overlays for example. Miscellaneous tidbits: - - WHY?!?!? Well, back in 2008, the Python Software Foundation planned to mark Python 2.7 end-of-life at 2015-01-01, see [1], but that date was pushed back to 2020-01-01 because a lot of downstream users had not converted yet. So Python 2.7 is already end-of-life for 1.5 years, which means that according to [1] the PSF is no longer fixing security issues for it. As can be seen on [2], multiple vulnerabilities already have been fixed for Python 3.6 to 3.9 this year. - - On a related note, most software using Python 2.7 was already removed from the Ports Tree last year, a lot of it being unmaintained or more or less abandoned upstream. - - Upstream Chromium is working on converting their codebase to Python 3 but there is no completion date. Interestingly, adridg@ is experimenting with converting www/qt5-webengine to Python 3 too. - - We are indeed faster with dropping Python 2.7 than e.g. Ubuntu, however more recent Debian/Ubuntu distributions are more and more dropping Python 2.7 too. This also has to do with how their branching model works, the package set of Ubuntu LTS is determined a few months before the release itself. [1] https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/ [2] https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-392/ Ren, on behalf of portmgr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGyBAEBCgCcFiEE+zdFyG8V6O2sgTL82ClOw7vE19UFAmBbOBpfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEZC Mzc0NUM4NkYxNUU4RURBQzgxMzJGQ0Q4Mjk0RUMzQkJDNEQ3RDUeHHBvcnRtZ3It c2VjcmV0YXJ5QGZyZWVic2Qub3JnAAoJENgpTsO7xNfVVB4IAIIzuJare4IiEpAs H+ro/OdZ8J9t+p/Vhv5pRUmN1fhL38gvlmvKSbnm/1HCfXQY8WjccX+9UUsIudLl kkI020DDSC4shESsCnsTGXTr13psS+DjCTdjpgRlaWb38yL8bSoPyyA12jJFVYDi doRkWGleIZrz9kh1lDOX4rzB9hui6B5VFNktcbkG2+h+xs1huhq9/VdyCVRJC6gM kss1yBH04VXqa3G5K2vj4w+sPRQi4gNKA9fkoLIJlpnNZ3QFVxLR+Xa1ySUEQhCE gIRYkZmjLiMoDJizN2d9CGAVSvDvvl+g3tGdP24DwRiHdnofaNijUV7xhNslYiE3 m7QBFbI= =2WOV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 17:01:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB5E5BAD31 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5Dyz58bwz4kWf for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id AEEDD5BAA7F; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAC65BAE9A for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5Dyy4qwjz4kKV; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5155728417; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:01:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-94-113-69-69.net.upcbroadband.cz [94.113.69.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72A492840C; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:01:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Rene Ladan , ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: <0e28fdd3-441b-e22d-e64e-65bd6b34e9da@quip.cz> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:01:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5Dyy4qwjz4kKV X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.113.69.69:received]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=kUnt=IW=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:01:15 -0000 On 24/03/2021 14:03, Rene Ladan wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: > > - - all affected ports are now marked as deprecated, with an expiration date > of either 2020-12-31 or 2021-06-23. > - - we will have to wait for Chromium to fully switch to Python 3 before we > can fully remove Python 2.7. This is work in progress on their side. Not > waiting would imply removing www/chromium (obviously), editors/vscode > (it escaped the recursive-deprecation dance of devel/electron*), but most > importantly www/qt5-webengine which would drag half of KDE with it. > However, lang/python27 will be marked as RESTRICTED so that all ports > mentioned above can still be built and run, but Python 2.7 itself will > not be available as a package. [...] I really appreciate the work of ports team, committers and maintainers but I dislike double standards. All ports requiring Python 2.7 were marked deprecated the last year almost all of them removed according to expiration date 2020-12-31 but some of them are still there. If there is Python 2.7, if there is Chromium then any of removed ports can be there. If "we" want to get rid of them then "we" should remove all of them and not just some by sentiment. For example Iridium browser was removed because of Python 2.7 but Chromium is still there. They are both based on the same source with the same dependencies but Iridium cares more about privacy, yet it was slaughtered instead of Chromium. I really would like to see some policies for things like this next time. Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 21:20:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D2D5BFD08 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5Ljx0T1Xz3FfG for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0E0D05BFC6D; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD175BFAA7 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail.madpilot.net (vogon.madpilot.net [159.69.1.99]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5Ljw1xY8z3Fn9; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail (mail [192.168.254.3]) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5Ljt41ySz6dQ0; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.madpilot.net ([192.168.254.3]) by mail (mail.madpilot.net [192.168.254.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id dFmZr7_TwWh3; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:20:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Rene Ladan , ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Guido Falsi Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:20:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5Ljw1xY8z3Fn9 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[madpilot.net:s=bjowvop61wgh]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[madpilot.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[madpilot.net,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:20:21 -0000 On 24/03/21 14:03, Rene Ladan wrote: > Hi, > > below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: > > - all affected ports are now marked as deprecated, with an expiration date > of either 2020-12-31 or 2021-06-23. > - we will have to wait for Chromium to fully switch to Python 3 before we > can fully remove Python 2.7. This is work in progress on their side. Not > waiting would imply removing www/chromium (obviously), editors/vscode > (it escaped the recursive-deprecation dance of devel/electron*), but most > importantly www/qt5-webengine which would drag half of KDE with it. > However, lang/python27 will be marked as RESTRICTED so that all ports > mentioned above can still be built and run, but Python 2.7 itself will > not be available as a package. Just to be sure I get everything right. The idea is to try to have www/qt5-webengine fixed before the expiration time, saving with it a bunch of innocent ports depending on it, correct? P.S. I want to make clear I have no objection about the removal of python 2.7 and I'm really appalled by the situation with chrome build system (*). I'm just letting the little worried user inside me express his worries. I'd like to understand how we can reach the objective without killing a bunch of perfectly working, supported and useful software that is now being deprecated due to depending on chrmoium/webengine. So I only ask a few questions to get the picture. If I sound rude please pardon me, I really don't mean to be rude or demanding! [...] > - Upstream Chromium is working on converting their codebase to Python 3 but > there is no completion date. Interestingly, adridg@ is experimenting with > converting www/qt5-webengine to Python 3 too. Is there some ETA on these? Is it realistically possible for these to be ready before the end of June? > - We are indeed faster with dropping Python 2.7 than e.g. Ubuntu, however > more recent Debian/Ubuntu distributions are more and more dropping Python > 2.7 too. This also has to do with how their branching model works, the > package set of Ubuntu LTS is determined a few months before the release > itself. Is the deadline amendable if the plan does not unfold as expected? Or are we really going to drop kde and a bunch of other working software to stand out ground? (*) I'm also really appalled by the fact that in the last few years almost any software started having the need to include a fully fledged html5/js engine but this is another story. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 21:45:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE89578B88 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:45:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (kipling.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5MGv2386z3HdX for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718C2139D8 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:45:20 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tavi.co.uk; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; 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Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5MKv0pl0z3Hc4; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from aniel.nours.eu (ns393929.ip-176-31-115.eu [176.31.115.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bapt) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAAE146BF; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by aniel.nours.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5456381A4; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:48:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:48:01 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Bob Eager Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210324214801.hx3zz6gikeyew2gf@aniel.nours.eu> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <20210324214509.79c3560d@raksha.tavi.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ko4fwvnt3pvqoxhj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210324214509.79c3560d@raksha.tavi.co.uk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:48:03 -0000 --ko4fwvnt3pvqoxhj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 09:45:09PM +0000, Bob Eager wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:47 +0000 > Rene Ladan wrote: >=20 > > - - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@ with mlmmj. You > > can use `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no > > other way. >=20 > Is anyone working on a mailman 3 port? it is already in: mail/mailman3 Best regards, Bapt --ko4fwvnt3pvqoxhj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAmBbs48ACgkQY4mL3PG3 PlpYnA//ZUp1u+JC3PvPbjVI3qQEuKGBmsnfAF6joVIqYBC97SAw0DOjkmWAxYnf lk4xaxj1rPlIAz3L16yMbyXGNDnGpsYfqo4ONSK/3Sv33KAKQQ+XMcIscyOHg2rQ 9pIIChLSSv97SWfJrli39hiS1LgtfaPB/KFklL2DMrpQnLpRlKmna1BZoDUAtBRW p5B9+Zz9qnmsqmqd/1jNDFxmrVMeZrObVc4bvj9Z8Xo5Dm7Oh997Z6zot9MWCh8a Gso1K+6sLR5z8chEGmIlBgQbRnJdObMeYEKqi7+oeh1lrY+m5oxpW7apIA5pcRYJ 4ZuA+4prJfWZoIoF15FfZkLw5WTYIyfojtN2Vg1zz4WgPQ0o7izFXSfD3/UH7sso WMBl6d+rvzVoBzvuUpSkFVijoNuwt4JqE0KAfXcliDwDgO6M+HzRvM4im/mRhrv3 UAoTtyyuUeyNKArovH596/tb9sV8dcAax8vVlhjLfwGn1Z2JB3DMRdyWWK0+7zVL 2EpoqcnvvR5agLle0Fg1J1PNelo5GfsiIqtKQ6dvoYqZFiKG/1ejpANvlDNXdJrN PBpaUOAHrWq2872dENUk2OfH6PfTjcM1PVnQVVmw/JPD+Ke+Ci9ythQBG3IVN4yS pGlz1RP2TWFPGthgF7dRttJ3Duo7Mo6/sECv8Pq1mrAHieXnb2Q= =7MlY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ko4fwvnt3pvqoxhj-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 21:50:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB35578CCF for ; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[gushi.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:50:10 -0000 There are packages for mailman3 but they=E2=80=99re incomplete and = don=E2=80=99t result in a working install the way the 2.x build does. = You also need mysql, django, etc etc. Needing django is almost as bad as saying =E2=80=9Csure, the web UI = depends on WordPress=E2=80=9D. It=E2=80=99s not standalone cgi=E2=80=99s = that you can just scriptalias in to apache, and the documentation leaves = a lot fo be desired. I=E2=80=99ve been in touch with Mark Sapiro (current maintainer of = mailman 2.x, limping along in critical-patches-only mode) and 3.x, and = have other friends on the maint team. Mark has committed to making some = time to make 3.x work as simply as 2.x does, as it lowers his support = load. At some point, I want to sit down with the code and come up with a = =E2=80=9Cokay, if a port doesn=E2=80=99t provide this, here=E2=80=99s at = least a howto=E2=80=9D. Day job uses mailman2 (we=E2=80=99re a company that makes some DNS = software that you=E2=80=99ve probably heard of), so this is of interest = both for personal reasons as well as community. If anyone else is currently maintaining a mailman3 port, please get in = touch! -Dan > On Mar 24, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Bob Eager wrote: >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 >=20 > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:47 +0000 > Rene Ladan wrote: >=20 >> - - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@ with mlmmj. You >> can use `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no >> other way. >=20 > Is anyone working on a mailman 3 port? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEVgdI2KeVldPAhUYaKBdf2az8e6gFAmBbsuUACgkQKBdf2az8 > e6hBBQf/QpIe1al7QocpZTs52hZqLxB0kUuj+iT4A4SYoVQXj31XC6CZCUWuTU4V > 5jXjCPg1g5AfafU+lS4oaBanm/UQmOlOiPcg5Wjp2OpSbA5HJ0EY4wERD7ZBIYQj > n3W5JzUBp7N3PwlWFI8L8tI+GFGz+O0/myNz5pQQHtQyFyDtJQuh6IgJfysV4n0U > ojrTALRwf3ZS23thOMekavSmd0UPiKL9BpTI8jurtSsbkz48QNxzlilF9IoE5Phf > bOxRjbCNWcTCvB3JEmB6Q8+1WPhbpUONs6qhpM14njr5b36uH46yXBb/8wv8Jekc > wnF9CAIPE7N6zE2FfQZIDhIOg0W5gQ=3D=3D > =3DyPOi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 21:55:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A07578E1F for ; 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.20:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.960]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:55:16 -0000 Am 24.03.21 um 22:48 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 09:45:09PM +0000, Bob Eager wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:03:47 +0000 >> Rene Ladan wrote: >> >>> - - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@ with mlmmj. You >>> can use `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no >>> other way. >> Is anyone working on a mailman 3 port? > it is already in: mail/mailman3 As stated several times before, mailman 3 is not a suitable successor to mailman 2 and has no migration tool. Archives are incompatible. It is a redesign from scratch that lost a lot of mailman 2 wisdom along the way. Mailman=A0 is certainly no replacement for mailman 2 and can't appear on the RHS of ports/MOVED. 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.15.15:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.160.55.119:received]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:09:40 -0000 Am 24.03.21 um 14:03 schrieb Rene Ladan: > Hi, > > below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: > > - No usage of lang/tauthon by the framework or any port, no excuses. > - lang/tauthon will be removed on 2021-06-23 as noticed in the port > itself, > =C2=A0 no excuses. Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any = official > =C2=A0 Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate= things. > - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@=C2=A0 with mlmmj. You c= an use > =C2=A0 `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no other = way. > - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, > Tauthon > =C2=A0 and any application using those languages in your local setup, b= y using > =C2=A0 overlays for example. Rene, I am sorry to say that this is appalling * Why do you badmouth Tauthon as "not guaranteed to be compatible..." if that is its very design goal? =C2=A0 - "Tauthon is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.18 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output." * What do you mean that "Tauthon [...] would unnecessarily complicate things"? What things specifically, and how? It might be a migration path to a maintained interpreter (we need nothing more, no fancy developments, to keep other ports in maintenance mode with a security update now and then, going). What other Python 2.x compatible interpreter would you propose instead of Tauthon? * Why, other than based on your false claims, is Tauthon being removed? * Why, other than based on your false claims, is Tauthon being rejected? * Why does anyone think that clusteradm@'s removal of ONE instance of mailman 2 by some unmaintained (*) software is a justification to ditch mailman 2? * Why do you mislead people on "you are of course free to provide you own version of " when at the same time you threaten to remove other ports. While I am certainly fine with "no new Python 2 ports permitted", the refusal of Tauthon certainly warrants justification. (*) release frequency was abused as argument against mailman 2 - only that since the latest mlmmj release, there have been eleven mailman 2.1 releases. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.22:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.160.55.119:received]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.961]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:11:21 -0000 Am 24.03.21 um 22:50 schrieb Dan Mahoney (Ports): > There are packages for mailman3 but they=E2=80=99re incomplete and don= =E2=80=99t result in a working install the way the 2.x build does.=C2=A0 You also nee= d mysql, django, etc etc. Dan, please check if we already have bug reports on the mailman 3 issues and where they are missing, file new bug reports as needed, to make this visible. https://bugs.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 06:28:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C365B1120 for ; 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NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 06:28:58 -0000 On 25/03/2021 4:01 am, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > I really appreciate the work of ports team, committers and maintainers > but I dislike double standards. All ports requiring Python 2.7 were > marked deprecated the last year almost all of them removed according to > expiration date 2020-12-31 but some of them are still there. > If there is Python 2.7, if there is Chromium then any of removed ports > can be there. If "we" want to get rid of them then "we" should remove > all of them and not just some by sentiment. > For example Iridium browser was removed because of Python 2.7 but > Chromium is still there. They are both based on the same source with the > same dependencies but Iridium cares more about privacy, yet it was > slaughtered instead of Chromium. > I really would like to see some policies for things like this next time. > > Miroslav Lachman Thanks Miroslav, I have the same view. Though I agree with Rene about the need to remove vulnerable ports and the interests of the FreeBSD community, its worth considering those with both a need and an understanding of the ramifications of using python2.7. We've been disappointed having to digress from the ports infrastructure to continue with python2.7 applications that we need, which were removed (a year ago). It could've been so much more pleasant had a "restricted", or better option been employed. No new ports requiring python2.7 is an excellent suggestion in terms of maintaining a viable user-base (kudos Mathias). For how long, is another discussion. Though after reading through https://reviews.freebsd.org/D28665 are we expecting to keep KDE users on FreeBSD post June 23 (without www/qt5-webengine, konqueror, kontact, kmail,...)? And its incongruous to say talk about upstream abandoning applications, as many continue to maintain "their" software with a now unsupported product (py2.7). Again the need outweighs the risk (for us) vs the upstream cost of conversion. It is an unpleasant though necessary choice. And for the fear-mongers, with a good FreeBSD firewall and strong security mindset, vulnerabilities can be substantially mitigated; and it really should be an option (for experienced folk) to be able to use what is *needed* while properly comprehending the risk vs maintaining an increasingly digressive ports infrastructure. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 07:09:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2D15B1AD2 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guillermo@QuerySoft.es) Received: from mercurio.querysoft.es (mercurio.querysoft.es [217.70.253.7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mercurio.querysoft.es", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5bnh5QZVz4dxp for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guillermo@QuerySoft.es) Received: from Orion.querysoft.es (Orion.QuerySoft.es [10.0.1.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mercurio.querysoft.es (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 12P79INB010719 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:09:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guillermo@QuerySoft.es) X-SenderID: Sendmail Sender-ID Filter v1.0.0 mercurio.querysoft.es 12P79INB010719 Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <20210324214509.79c3560d@raksha.tavi.co.uk> <216B1367-58DC-4BAE-AE94-76E4ABFF0FC6@gushi.org> From: "Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)" Message-ID: <5d27a522-a243-296a-821b-4deef92677cf@QuerySoft.es> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:09:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <216B1367-58DC-4BAE-AE94-76E4ABFF0FC6@gushi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-1.9 [217.70.253.7] [10 mercurio.querysoft.es.] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on Mercurio.QuerySoft.es X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5bnh5QZVz4dxp X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[querysoft.es:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.70.253.7:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[querysoft.es:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[QuerySoft.es,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.70.253.7:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29337, ipnet:217.70.253.0/24, country:ES]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:09:30 -0000 On 24/3/21 22:50, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > There are packages for mailman3 but they’re incomplete and don’t result in a working install the way the 2.x build does.  You also need mysql, django, etc etc. > > Needing django is almost as bad as saying “sure, the web UI depends on WordPress”.  It’s not standalone cgi’s that you can just scriptalias in to apache, and the documentation leaves a lot fo be desired. > > I’ve been in touch with Mark Sapiro (current maintainer of mailman 2.x, limping along in critical-patches-only mode) and 3.x, and have other friends on the maint team.  Mark has committed to making some time to make 3.x work as simply as 2.x does, as it lowers his support load. > > At some point, I want to sit down with the code and come up with a “okay, if a port doesn’t provide this, here’s at least a howto”. There is a thread in forums.freebsd.org with a detailed implementation of successful cases of transiting from mailman2 to mailman3 in freebsd, but all of them outside the ports infrastructure for the main apps (using pip): https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/mailman-3.61050/ From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 10:32:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4905B8CA7 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5hHN0BXgz4sDF for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:31:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39F22840C; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:31:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-94-113-69-69.net.upcbroadband.cz [94.113.69.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BF3928416; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:31:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Dewayne Geraghty , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <0e28fdd3-441b-e22d-e64e-65bd6b34e9da@quip.cz> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: <29f796bc-6412-51c5-bdef-65e83cd407e0@quip.cz> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:31:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5hHN0BXgz4sDF X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.20 / 15.00]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.113.69.69:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:32:01 -0000 On 25/03/2021 07:26, Dewayne Geraghty wrote: > On 25/03/2021 4:01 am, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > >> I really appreciate the work of ports team, committers and maintainers >> but I dislike double standards. All ports requiring Python 2.7 were >> marked deprecated the last year almost all of them removed according to >> expiration date 2020-12-31 but some of them are still there. >> If there is Python 2.7, if there is Chromium then any of removed ports >> can be there. If "we" want to get rid of them then "we" should remove >> all of them and not just some by sentiment. >> For example Iridium browser was removed because of Python 2.7 but >> Chromium is still there. They are both based on the same source with the >> same dependencies but Iridium cares more about privacy, yet it was >> slaughtered instead of Chromium. >> I really would like to see some policies for things like this next time. >> >> Miroslav Lachman > > Thanks Miroslav, I have the same view. Though I agree with Rene about > the need to remove vulnerable ports and the interests of the FreeBSD > community, its worth considering those with both a need and an > understanding of the ramifications of using python2.7. From the security point of view I can agree with removing ports requiring Python 2.7 as run dependency but if I have it right, Iridium nor Chromium have it as run dependency. Python is needed for build only so users of Chromium, Iridium and many other ports / packages do not need to have vulnerable Python 2.7 installed. But these ports were removed anyway even if there is not proper replacement. Or in case of Chromium vs Iridium the better one was removed. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 11:02:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BCB5B9159 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5hyr6pvlz4tmX for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:02:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [2.15.194.40]) (Authenticated sender: olivier.freebsd@free.fr) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4300C13F89A for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:02:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1616670161; bh=23dD/H5WLAyXDznJN/z8hLaSAWlX8Syzp3k9zWGcgX8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HlSp3z0Fr/Sg9yzSTXxNUqVReHza7tC6t/ZK9X67Tmv/sO00McMvKrnCxdxAyUzzi 0KTUCzUSz59vgJA7BwpnxaQ7J29g33vYifkWRh6BTzoSvbGI+RvwI7uMhTGWPFaHiw t7erxfp8BsY3VoQvbvvk1MKkulLCJhSpBtf18KN4iFsJgi2KDJWYNwJqY3771J3Ks2 9XrrMavo9rPvy0PTMBYDYyalwFAs3Z3OwG4w9alL5NavGZ9lD1PwQcswJAxfeObqYH 7FJ2YxO1B6T/Q2/DEsPdOVPlLr+yCvf9Lp4YiV+NgrWbX2n6BeUgJzoP1cDG4nm+5+ V6esPoUY4ZdYg== From: Olivier Certner To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:02:29 +0100 Message-ID: <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> In-Reply-To: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5hyr6pvlz4tmX X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=free.fr header.s=smtp-20201208 header.b=HlSp3z0F; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=free.fr; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of olivier.freebsd@free.fr designates 212.27.42.3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=olivier.freebsd@free.fr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[free.fr]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.27.42.3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[free.fr:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[free.fr,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.27.42.3:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:212.27.32.0/19, country:FR]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[free.fr]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_NEUTRAL(0.00)[212.27.42.3:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[free.fr:s=smtp-20201208]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.15.194.40:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[free.fr:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.27.42.3:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.66)[0.659]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.27.42.3:from]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:02:46 -0000 Hi, Maintainer of Tauthon here, and of Pale Moon (for the few hours it lived in the tree in February; but I'm still pushing updates to PR 251117). I find this announcement very much disappointing, because the situation for ports that need Python 2.7 or similar to build doesn't seem to have changed at all. In short, we are just told (again) that they should disappear. But now we are told also that there are exceptions to the general rule. And even worse (or better, for the comical effect), that the Chromium exception is going to force its agenda on portmgr@, because nobody seems to really know when that migration will complete (having quickly studied how it worked out for Firefox, I'm willing to bet this will never happen before June, and likely will not before the end of this year either). "I love it when a plan comes together." I had hoped that portmgr@ would turn to me (and others in the same situation) with at least some way out to allow Pale Moon to go into the ports tree. In its mail, the closest thing I can find is this: > - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, Tauthon > and any application using those languages in your local setup, by using > overlays for example. So, if I understand correctly, in its great magnanimity, portmgr@ allows us to do what we want locally. Gosh! That's news. Didn't know I had been violating the law for the past 10 years by doing exactly that with my set of patches to the ports tree (a long way before overlays even existed; that said, I think overlays are helpful, more on that below). And there's more in the same "tone": > No excuses. * 3 You probably were not addressing this to me in particular (at least I hope). But just in case, did you mean: Excuses for not respecting a non-existing policy? In December last year, I submitted Tauthon with the goals to be able to use it to build Pale Moon and help others that needed to run 2.7 code despite phasing out of PSF's interpreter. It was pushed on 2020/12/11. I then submitted an upstream-approved official version of Pale Moon port, that was pushed on 2021/02/15. It was removed less than 4 hours later, together with Tauthon, in "rage commit" 565350 by antoine@, without any public (or private to me) communication, before or after. Except for one thing: He responsed to my request for explanations by saying: "When we deprecate python 2.7, we also deprecate all forks of python 2.7.". That also was news to me. Don't know how many ports would have to be removed if this rule was followed for all forks of now deprecated projects. I don't think there would be only a few of them. What about the fact that Tauthon has lived 2 months in the tree up to the removal? What about that it was contributed through a public PR, linked to other Python-related PRs by some committers? What about that nobody issued a public objection to its presence on said PR or on mailing lists? What about that it is still listed *today* on the wiki's WantedPorts page? Never had a single answer on all this. Surely these must have been signs that what I was doing was very wrong indeed, and against a very clear and strong policy, which I should have understood by myself. Idiot me. I'm not going to repeat here the long mail I wrote in response to FUD being spread about Pale Moon (and even Tauthon and Python 2.7 to some extent) by rene@ and danfe@, and its excruciating details on how deluded they were (still are?). These mails were for committers only, and exchanged on 2021/02/2{1,2}. I'll just quickly point out the new FUD and inaccuracies, add some facts and opinions to the picture, and wrap up with two possible ways out. > Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any official > Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate things. mandree@ preceeded me, so not going to add much except that Tauthon in practice lives up to its promise (there are incompatibilities due to the introduction of some Python 3 features, but they are very minimal and hard to trigger; unfortunately for me, Pale Moon's weird build system, inherited from Mozilla, triggered some). As to why it would complicate things, we are left with no clue, especially given that Tauthon is not hooked at all into python.mk and that no port currently depends on it (Pale Moon having been removed). > - On a related note, most software using Python 2.7 was already removed > from the Ports Tree last year, a lot of it being unmaintained or > more or less abandoned upstream. 1. Most is not all, unfortunately. What happens for the rest? Is "Well, let's pretend it doesn't exist, and shut the contributors up." your response? Seriously? 2. Security is a non-issue for build-only dependencies. > - We are indeed faster with dropping Python 2.7 than e.g. Ubuntu, however > more recent Debian/Ubuntu distributions are more and more dropping Python > 2.7 too. This also has to do with how their branching model works, the > package set of Ubuntu LTS is determined a few months before the release > itself. Debian is still tolerating Python 2.7 for build-only dependencies in bullseye, which is due to be released imminently, and will be supported until around 2024. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS incorporates it, apparently without restrictions (I see a full suite of packages relying on 2.7 there), and this release will be supported until... April 2025. So, yes, faster by at least 2 years. Surely, we are not organized the same, and do not have the same manpower and/ or money. However, their security teams do not seem to think that phasing out CPython 2.7 right now is of uttermost importance. Some Debian links on the topic: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python2.7 https://wiki.debian.org/Python/2Removal I must point out that this last page, although listing interesting links, seems itself seriously outdated, as it is contradicted by facts (e.g., 2.7 is in bullseye, and it is indeed receiving security fixes, see the first link). It seems that they have changed their mind in light of needs and demands. Food for thought for portmgr@? And again, there would be no hurry at all for build-only dependencies. Or is there? May I ask on which ground exactly? > As can be seen on [2], multiple vulnerabilities already have > been fixed for Python 3.6 to 3.9 this year. > [2] https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-392/ I've started looking into these vulnerabilities. Most are simple to understand, and their patches even readily apply to Tauthon when relevant. Going to submit a bunch of them upstream. At least, this is possible with Tauthon, contrary to CPython 2.7. But in the end, I don't think this is really important for the dependent ports issue, since, again, we are talking about build-only dependencies on CPython. That was just for the sake of re-establishing a more accurate balance of facts. Given the track record of recent reactions of portmgr@, I'm now not foolish enough to believe that all that precedes is going to have any visible effect on them. Now, for the two possible ways out, I'm still having some hope (but frankly not that much). 1. Add the infrastructure to have build-only dependencies. I've proposed changes to that end (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D28946). In addition to the comments in the review, bapt@ rightfully pointed out that 'make install' would still be possible to run for ports listed in NORUNTIME. I acknowledge that this is indeed a problem in the current problem, but think it could be solved technically (e.g., forbidding 'make install' for those ports, but allowing it when building a dependent port through an environment variable, and removing the install after the build). Which reinforces my thinking that the "problem", whatever that is, is not technical, but human. Overall, portmgr@ doesn't really seem to be interested in this solution (got short reactions such as "with RESTRICTED, we don't need this", or "this would be a precedent", indeed a useful one if you're asking me). 2. Leverage overlays to provide additional repos, a bit like AUR for Arch. Here I'm in fact building on top of one of bapt@'s ideas. Sounds great for publishing ports that are not in the official tree. But not necessarily for package building: I personally won't commit to maintaining a separate build cluster for all arches and supported FreeBSD versions, in the short term at least. I re-read portmgr@'s charter (https://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/charter/). I wish it contained points about proper planning, communication and helping maintainers and committers instead of destroying their work without notice, even for "niche" ports. Perhaps it doesn't because this was implicit or taken for granted. In which case, in light of recent events, it may be a good time to revise it. -- Olivier Certner From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 14:43:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F121F5BF720 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adridg@freebsd.org) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.xs4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5nsP46CKz3R2y for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adridg@freebsd.org) Received: from cust-d4a83f22 ([IPv6:fc0c:c11d:cecc:f58a:eaa1:c0:9d8f:c143]) by smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net with ESMTPA id PRCglcw22FRvvPRChlTspQ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:43:19 +0100 From: Adriaan de Groot To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-ports Digest, Vol 930, Issue 4 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:43:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1723895.uSAL7GYomB@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Organization: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1680031.Dkrb29LB8r"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFFIyD/8SBZ+C9GzUZ3c4v8tGDPMMtovzQJPYvkpfNJGwOhsqY1AHrx4GXGOUWBx27S9BZjzKb3nxFH/kOq3/8y8fVrto+jks4/hzcLHcCwmJmMEPCc8 JaoVkNwUk3uEG80WwjIV+Orl5Wdpx6F7eQw+/GfrpFWsoLgkNs+B7fUXA7S5CSgSeMN14M+/ZWdUfBt4LlnVw4qmC/Ls1A/goI4s27lMMOOaKyi+RTs13qBs ATpYlVOXQOn11sb9t9iVoiTPDwoCWYFQ//E9Ygwg1UA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5nsP46CKz3R2y X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:43:22 -0000 --nextPart1680031.Dkrb29LB8r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Adriaan de Groot To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-ports Digest, Vol 930, Issue 4 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:43:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1723895.uSAL7GYomB@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Organization: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: On Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:00:02 CET freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org wrote: > The idea is to try to have www/qt5-webengine fixed before the expiration > time, saving with it a bunch of innocent ports depending on it, correct? In the sense of "have one guy take a stab at it over the weekend because multi-billion-dollar companies can't be arsed", yes. I'm not sure what the situation over in Linux-land is. [ade] PS1. I'm going to primarily blame Google; the Qt Company, though, is far from blameless in its maintainence of WebEngine (or lack thereof). I have hope for TurtleBrowser, but they are also kind of waiting on me for a breakthrough on the Python3 front. PS2. Works-in-progress are the branches *webengine-python3* (old, but does complete an entire build that then doesn't actually **work**) and *webengine- logpy27* (new, currently more hacky, doesn't build) in the https://github.com/ freebsd/freebsd-ports-kde.git ports repo. --nextPart1680031.Dkrb29LB8r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEhrjttu2OP5apuuy1z93JbxKxkVwFAmBcoYEACgkQz93JbxKx kVwKngv+LlcHSH3AAE8lTkw1Kt4TUp6H52ydKi/E3/JwspuMkrc+isvrqkpB5PUi 9hupcRJVKITfRG8EIPnvj//w1Gpnfv2xR8pQbxJy/NWvY7UNtVnM+BUGg2wTGaD9 SfiBR0YE5MsXHgDzABWWIZolNvLgXEvM2hJX1PdhfKYHwOHBhFoUf2XwBk8o6uZn wO9cEoi0DhU+MszaJ0JuR7m+GZFOgSo0NZNMWHSuNUY4tRhiR4RQkmPI2l4AtFVx +uWrbL+iZtnqO9UkwE5jKura2a/AHtZ/BM8mPx3CTy6mSOB3g/u8IG4C5f5JqUH8 ssoGRcfUmDImux6uOs+ln0DrRsbX0IPg8HU2Sio89AVHFA8iotK+/NDJ6imf8RDC iiwOS3SXQP1ZY6xkJ/QxTS32RIniI9ay4zBZ1Qp2+WpMH3+5sjB/n3pzFX3dNftY Zuz55KJPpA6+smciBhml8IUbgcmyGjblBXfnSj+M7J4AiwRDKfz1hWRom+Zbmivt 593AgyZy =Wbjm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1680031.Dkrb29LB8r-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 15:03:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7275C0739 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5pJY34gyz3jL0; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from aniel.nours.eu (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:3a4d::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bapt) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11F7ECB52; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by aniel.nours.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A93C339173; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:03:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:03:20 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f7e6xagcrslxkxdu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:03:25 -0000 --f7e6xagcrslxkxdu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:02:29PM +0100, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Maintainer of Tauthon here, and of Pale Moon (for the few hours it lived = in=20 > the tree in February; but I'm still pushing updates to PR 251117). >=20 > I find this announcement very much disappointing, because the situation f= or=20 > ports that need Python 2.7 or similar to build doesn't seem to have chang= ed at=20 > all. In short, we are just told (again) that they should disappear. >=20 > But now we are told also that there are exceptions to the general rule. A= nd=20 > even worse (or better, for the comical effect), that the Chromium excepti= on is=20 > going to force its agenda on portmgr@, because nobody seems to really kno= w=20 > when that migration will complete (having quickly studied how it worked o= ut=20 > for Firefox, I'm willing to bet this will never happen before June, and l= ikely=20 > will not before the end of this year either). "I love it when a plan come= s=20 > together." >=20 > I had hoped that portmgr@ would turn to me (and others in the same situat= ion)=20 > with at least some way out to allow Pale Moon to go into the ports tree. = In=20 > its mail, the closest thing I can find is this: > > - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, Tau= thon > > and any application using those languages in your local setup, by usi= ng > > overlays for example. > So, if I understand correctly, in its great magnanimity, portmgr@ allows = us to=20 > do what we want locally. Gosh! That's news. Didn't know I had been violat= ing=20 > the law for the past 10 years by doing exactly that with my set of patche= s to=20 > the ports tree (a long way before overlays even existed; that said, I thi= nk=20 > overlays are helpful, more on that below). >=20 > And there's more in the same "tone": > > No excuses. * 3 > You probably were not addressing this to me in particular (at least I hop= e).=20 > But just in case, did you mean: Excuses for not respecting a non-existing= =20 > policy? >=20 > In December last year, I submitted Tauthon with the goals to be able to u= se it=20 > to build Pale Moon and help others that needed to run 2.7 code despite ph= asing=20 > out of PSF's interpreter. It was pushed on 2020/12/11. I then submitted a= n=20 > upstream-approved official version of Pale Moon port, that was pushed on= =20 > 2021/02/15. It was removed less than 4 hours later, together with Tauthon= , in=20 > "rage commit" 565350 by antoine@, without any public (or private to me)= =20 > communication, before or after. Except for one thing: He responsed to my= =20 > request for explanations by saying: "When we deprecate python 2.7, we als= o=20 > deprecate all forks of python 2.7.". >=20 > That also was news to me. Don't know how many ports would have to be remo= ved=20 > if this rule was followed for all forks of now deprecated projects. I don= 't=20 > think there would be only a few of them. What about the fact that Tauthon= has=20 > lived 2 months in the tree up to the removal? What about that it was=20 > contributed through a public PR, linked to other Python-related PRs by so= me=20 > committers? What about that nobody issued a public objection to its prese= nce=20 > on said PR or on mailing lists? What about that it is still listed *today= * on=20 > the wiki's WantedPorts page? Never had a single answer on all this. Surel= y=20 > these must have been signs that what I was doing was very wrong indeed, a= nd=20 > against a very clear and strong policy, which I should have understood by= =20 > myself. Idiot me. >=20 > I'm not going to repeat here the long mail I wrote in response to FUD bei= ng=20 > spread about Pale Moon (and even Tauthon and Python 2.7 to some extent) b= y=20 > rene@ and danfe@, and its excruciating details on how deluded they were= =20 > (still are?). These mails were for committers only, and exchanged on=20 > 2021/02/2{1,2}. >=20 > I'll just quickly point out the new FUD and inaccuracies, add some facts = and=20 > opinions to the picture, and wrap up with two possible ways out. >=20 > > Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any official > > Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate thin= gs. >=20 > mandree@ preceeded me, so not going to add much except that Tauthon in=20 > practice lives up to its promise (there are incompatibilities due to the= =20 > introduction of some Python 3 features, but they are very minimal and har= d to=20 > trigger; unfortunately for me, Pale Moon's weird build system, inherited = =66rom=20 > Mozilla, triggered some). >=20 > As to why it would complicate things, we are left with no clue, especiall= y=20 > given that Tauthon is not hooked at all into python.mk and that no port= =20 > currently depends on it (Pale Moon having been removed). >=20 > > - On a related note, most software using Python 2.7 was already removed > > from the Ports Tree last year, a lot of it being unmaintained or > > more or less abandoned upstream. >=20 > 1. Most is not all, unfortunately. What happens for the rest? Is "Well, l= et's=20 > pretend it doesn't exist, and shut the contributors up." your response?= =20 > Seriously? > 2. Security is a non-issue for build-only dependencies. >=20 > > - We are indeed faster with dropping Python 2.7 than e.g. Ubuntu, howev= er > > more recent Debian/Ubuntu distributions are more and more dropping Py= thon > > 2.7 too. This also has to do with how their branching model works, the > > package set of Ubuntu LTS is determined a few months before the relea= se > > itself. >=20 > Debian is still tolerating Python 2.7 for build-only dependencies in bull= seye,=20 > which is due to be released imminently, and will be supported until aroun= d=20 > 2024. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS incorporates it, apparently without restrictions (= I see=20 > a full suite of packages relying on 2.7 there), and this release will be= =20 > supported until... April 2025. So, yes, faster by at least 2 years. >=20 > Surely, we are not organized the same, and do not have the same manpower = and/ > or money. However, their security teams do not seem to think that phasing= out=20 > CPython 2.7 right now is of uttermost importance. Some Debian links on th= e=20 > topic: > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/python2.7 > https://wiki.debian.org/Python/2Removal > I must point out that this last page, although listing interesting links,= =20 > seems itself seriously outdated, as it is contradicted by facts (e.g., 2.= 7 is=20 > in bullseye, and it is indeed receiving security fixes, see the first lin= k).=20 > It seems that they have changed their mind in light of needs and demands.= Food=20 > for thought for portmgr@? >=20 > And again, there would be no hurry at all for build-only dependencies. Or= is=20 > there? May I ask on which ground exactly? >=20 > > As can be seen on [2], multiple vulnerabilities already have > > been fixed for Python 3.6 to 3.9 this year. > > [2] https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-392/ >=20 > I've started looking into these vulnerabilities. Most are simple to=20 > understand, and their patches even readily apply to Tauthon when relevant= =2E=20 > Going to submit a bunch of them upstream. At least, this is possible with= =20 > Tauthon, contrary to CPython 2.7. >=20 > But in the end, I don't think this is really important for the dependent = ports=20 > issue, since, again, we are talking about build-only dependencies on CPyt= hon. >=20 > That was just for the sake of re-establishing a more accurate balance of= =20 > facts. Given the track record of recent reactions of portmgr@, I'm now no= t=20 > foolish enough to believe that all that precedes is going to have any vis= ible=20 > effect on them. >=20 > Now, for the two possible ways out, I'm still having some hope (but frank= ly=20 > not that much). >=20 > 1. Add the infrastructure to have build-only dependencies. I've proposed= =20 > changes to that end (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D28946). In addition to = the=20 > comments in the review, bapt@ rightfully pointed out that 'make install' = would=20 > still be possible to run for ports listed in NORUNTIME. I acknowledge tha= t=20 > this is indeed a problem in the current problem, but think it could be so= lved=20 > technically (e.g., forbidding 'make install' for those ports, but allowin= g it=20 > when building a dependent port through an environment variable, and remov= ing=20 > the install after the build). Which reinforces my thinking that the "prob= lem",=20 > whatever that is, is not technical, but human. Overall, portmgr@ doesn't= =20 > really seem to be interested in this solution (got short reactions such a= s=20 > "with RESTRICTED, we don't need this", or "this would be a precedent", in= deed=20 > a useful one if you're asking me). >=20 > 2. Leverage overlays to provide additional repos, a bit like AUR for Arch= =2E=20 > Here I'm in fact building on top of one of bapt@'s ideas. Sounds great fo= r=20 > publishing ports that are not in the official tree. But not necessarily f= or=20 > package building: I personally won't commit to maintaining a separate bui= ld=20 > cluster for all arches and supported FreeBSD versions, in the short term = at=20 > least. I really think we should as a project move forward to that direction, it do= es not even need to be driven by protmgr or even drive by any @freebsd.org I would argue here that it is even more interesting to go the gentoo way tr= y to provide a tool to just server as a directory of available overlays with https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/798 and https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/797 it is even easier to public a light repo per overlay. >=20 > I re-read portmgr@'s charter (https://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/charter/). = I=20 > wish it contained points about proper planning, communication and helping= =20 > maintainers and committers instead of destroying their work without notic= e,=20 > even for "niche" ports. Perhaps it doesn't because this was implicit or t= aken=20 > for granted. In which case, in light of recent events, it may be a good t= ime=20 > to revise it. I will only here answer about the quality of the communication of portmgr, = yes there is room of improvement in general in the current portmgr team as of h= ow we do communicate about plans and policy and we are working on it. 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I beg for @bapt's forgiveness for the inbox echo. On 3/25/21 8:03 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:02:29PM +0100, Olivier Certner wrote: >> >> 2. Leverage overlays to provide additional repos, a bit like AUR for Arch. >> Here I'm in fact building on top of one of bapt@'s ideas. Sounds great for >> publishing ports that are not in the official tree. But not necessarily for >> package building: I personally won't commit to maintaining a separate build >> cluster for all arches and supported FreeBSD versions, in the short term at >> least. > > I really think we should as a project move forward to that direction, it does > not even need to be driven by protmgr or even drive by any @freebsd.org > > I would argue here that it is even more interesting to go the gentoo way try to > provide a tool to just server as a directory of available overlays > with https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/798 and > https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/797 it is even easier to public a > light repo per overlay. Former Gentoo overlays user here, chiming in with my experience. I wound up maintaining my own overlay to work around upstream decisions that didn't make sense to me. I found myself spending increasingly large amounts of time working on this overlay over the years, until it started to take so much time and effort that I questioned my decision to stick with the platform. It certainly seemed like wasted effort since my changes would never be accepted upstream, and I don't have the time or money to launch an almost certainly unsuccessful Gentoo fork. I'm now (back) here. I'm not saying that overlays are bad and that they will necessary lead to the same situation, but I do believe that saying "just put it in an overlay" makes it easier to ignore your community's wishes precisely when it's perhaps least advisable to do so. If you look over in the forums you'll see at least several people looking for Palemoon, Seamonkey, and other ways out of the Firefox-Google hegemony. It really does seem arbitrary and capricious to make an exception for Chromium, but not for these other browsers that only need Tauthon as a build dependency. Thanks, Jose From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 15:45:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D889F5C1F6E for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail.madpilot.net (vogon.madpilot.net [159.69.1.99]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5qDj0GHpz3m5K; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail (mail [192.168.254.3]) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5qDY19Tsz6fPk; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:45:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.madpilot.net ([192.168.254.3]) by mail (mail.madpilot.net [192.168.254.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id A_3-YD5bT89h; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:44:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: freebsd-ports Digest, Vol 930, Issue 4 To: Adriaan de Groot , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <1723895.uSAL7GYomB@beastie.bionicmutton.org> From: Guido Falsi Message-ID: <42c6a6a5-b384-4df2-a114-5d7e27133cda@madpilot.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:44:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1723895.uSAL7GYomB@beastie.bionicmutton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5qDj0GHpz3m5K X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[madpilot.net:s=bjowvop61wgh]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[madpilot.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[madpilot.net,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:45:09 -0000 On 25/03/21 15:43, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:00:02 CET freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org > wrote: >> The idea is to try to have www/qt5-webengine fixed before the expiration >> time, saving with it a bunch of innocent ports depending on it, correct? > > In the sense of "have one guy take a stab at it over the weekend because > multi-billion-dollar companies can't be arsed", yes. I'm not sure what the > situation over in Linux-land is. > And I'm really grateful to you for your work on this. Anyway we do have some kind of plan and I also read (I think it was you) that a brute force approach of just grabbing the output of the python parts and forcing them in the build could work. While not elegant maybe it can bring results in a shorter time if things get tight. Unluckily, notwithstanding me being involved with some python ports, I have actually very little knowledge of python, so I don't think I can help much, > [ade] > > PS1. I'm going to primarily blame Google; the Qt Company, though, is far from > blameless in its maintainence of WebEngine (or lack thereof). I have hope for > TurtleBrowser, but they are also kind of waiting on me for a breakthrough on > the Python3 front. > The whole python27 situation is really an horrible mess, and many are to blame, including big tech. This also demonstrates that just having money to throw at a problem is no warranty of it being solved (or the money actually being thrown). > PS2. Works-in-progress are the branches *webengine-python3* (old, but does > complete an entire build that then doesn't actually **work**) and *webengine- > logpy27* (new, currently more hacky, doesn't build) in the https://github.com/ > freebsd/freebsd-ports-kde.git ports repo. > Will try to take a look. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:19:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DF0578BFD for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5vzq72TJz4Y01 for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.160.55.119:received]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:19:21 -0000 Am 25.03.21 um 16:03 schrieb Baptiste Daroussin: > > I really think we should as a project move forward to that direction, i= t does > not even need to be driven by protmgr or even drive by any @freebsd.org= > > I would argue here that it is even more interesting to go the gentoo wa= y try to > provide a tool to just server as a directory of available overlays > with https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/798 and > https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/pull/797 it is even easier to publ= ic a > light repo per overlay. I haven't looked at the links, the general thought of providing local overlays outside @freebsd.org subverts the purpose of a ports tree. Look, we've been spending lots of efforts over the years to make the ports tree accessible and customizable and a consistent experience. Tinderbox, staging, Poudriere, OptionsNG, Pkg, Flavours (that needs some better integration), binary package provisioning. If we now defer users to "maintain locally" that pushes an effort that was formerly centralized down to many people and leave them in a situation that reduces the effectiveness of the pkg and ports setups. It is not a solution to the issue at hand. Olivier Certner: > > I re-read portmgr@'s charter > (https://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/charter/). I > > wish it contained points about proper planning, communication and > helping > > maintainers and committers instead of destroying their work without > notice, > > even for "niche" ports. Perhaps it doesn't because this was implicit > or taken > > for granted. In which case, in light of recent events, it may be a > good time > > to revise it. bapt: > I will only here answer about the quality of the communication of > portmgr, yes > there is room of improvement in general in the current portmgr team as > of how we > do communicate about plans and policy and we are working on it. Unfortunately this is not the first situation where the current or previous portmgr@'s policy changes hit the public in a hit-and-run style. Earlier portmgr@'s set higher standards of communicating with the community. The decision-making does not appear transparent, and the evaluation of consequences in some cases such as this appears incomplete, or at least incompletely documented to the public. If now one of the portmgr@ members, as much as I value his or her work normally, starts justifying the Python 2.7 withdrawal outline with untrue opinions that are sold as facts, I think your words are too weak to describe the woe state of this particular current motion. I do appreciate the relevant reviews.freebsd.org discussions and preparations, but I find it inacceptable to just clear away Tauthon in the same sweep without any discussion. Irony contained: If our intention is to seed uncertainty among our users and see them away in droves, then our recent management of the Python 2.7 removal is finally picking up to speed. That, however, is not how FreeBSD used to serve its users. 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.160.55.119:received]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[212.227.15.15:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:22:05 -0000 Am 24.03.21 um 23:11 schrieb Matthias Andree: > Am 24.03.21 um 22:50 schrieb Dan Mahoney (Ports): > >> There are packages for mailman3 but they=E2=80=99re incomplete and don= =E2=80=99t > result in a working install the way the 2.x build does.=C2=A0 You also n= eed > mysql, django, etc etc. > > Dan, please check if we already have bug reports on the mailman 3 issues > and where they are missing, file new bug reports as needed, to make this > visible. https://bugs.freebsd.org/ > My apologies for the broken quoting. Dan Mahoney wrote: > There are packages for mailman3 but they=E2=80=99re incomplete and don= =E2=80=99t result in a working install the way the 2.x build does. You al= so need mysql, django, etc etc. I replied: Dan, please check if we already have bug reports on the mailman 3 issues and where they are missing, file new bug reports as needed, to make this visible. https://bugs.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:32:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194465794C4 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [209.237.23.5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx5.roble.com", Issuer "mx5.roble.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5wHB6swHz4Ylh for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from roble.com (roble.com [209.237.23.50]) by mx5.roble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA7581BB for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:32:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=roble.com; s=rs060402; t=1616700751; bh=ZR2F5KDcfs6T7TWu4/8x8t/8UudmyG/a1G+0xbf1010=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=WzZlzgGvEcJleYZEf7tl11PTvPIMbLoRxsGr2ug9xNK5zLVvqb5jsktuPGkjWbrA0 9D8wGh2OUQ79tU1Sk+GFQXdD3z2rqz6l5jJ3je5SY7pcBScadLli4ni9EhHioz+GY3 IGnm9QwPPas6/jb3nYUMFiQEMQSWtvtj39LOU7eA= Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:32:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5wHB6swHz4Ylh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=roble.com header.s=rs060402 header.b=WzZlzgGv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=roble.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marquis@roble.com designates 209.237.23.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marquis@roble.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[roble.com:s=rs060402]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.237.23.5:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.237.23.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.237.23.5:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[roble.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[roble.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:17403, ipnet:209.237.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:32:40 -0000 > I find this announcement very much disappointing, because the situation for > ports that need Python 2.7 or similar to build doesn't seem to have changed at > all. In short, we are just told (again) that they should disappear. Many end-users who maintain python2 code, both application and install deps, are in the same boat. We too are disappointed because: A) it would be exceedingly simple to modify lang/python2 to include alternate interpreters (of which there is more than 1) with little or no maintenance overhead B) no reasons are given for the deprecation C) community input has been ignored D) all of which inflates IT management bias against FreeBSD vis-a-vis RH, CentOS and Ubuntu (and probably others) which continue to have python2 compatibility for several years without having to do anything special > I had hoped that portmgr@ would turn to me (and others in the same situation) > with at least some way out to allow Pale Moon to go into the ports tree. Careful. We have been told that it is not appropriate to criticize the hardworking volunteers or their decisions because, well, because they are volunteers. Even criticizing policy often solicits a sharp rebuke (violating the code of conduct not that it is ever enforced). > Except for one thing: He responsed to my request for explanations by > saying: "When we deprecate python 2.7, we also deprecate all forks of > python 2.7.". Is there a good reason for this? Would be great to know if so. Is a mystery otherwise. The IT security paranoid in me suspects an ulterior motive but what would that be? > I re-read portmgr@'s charter (https://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/charter/). I > wish it contained points about proper planning, communication and helping > maintainers and committers instead of destroying their work without notice, > even for "niche" ports. Perhaps it doesn't because this was implicit or taken > for granted. In which case, in light of recent events, it may be a good time > to revise it. Agreed. Roger Marquis From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 22:06:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC3157D0E4 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5zj45gGSz4kLP; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=YHqh=IX=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C37228416; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-94-113-69-69.net.upcbroadband.cz [94.113.69.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 520592840C; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Baptiste Daroussin , Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5zj45gGSz4kLP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:06:49 -0000 On 25/03/2021 16:03, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > I will only here answer about the quality of the communication of portmgr, yes > there is room of improvement in general in the current portmgr team as of how we > do communicate about plans and policy and we are working on it. "There is room of improvement" are too kind words. It happened in the past and it is back again. As explained by Olivier and the others in this thread there are no clear policy written and explained to the community, there are mixed terms "all" / "but some exceptions" chosen by what criteria, defined by what policy? It is really annoying for maintainers like Olivier to spend some time to provide solution for port useful for others (Pale Moon and Tauthon in this case) and have it removed from the tree after 4 hours without prior discussion or notice. Who will benefit from this behaviors? It all seems more like witch hunting than any rational moves for community profit. Telling users that they can maintain it locally is like p***ing them in face. And until overlays are not fully supported with poudriere options and easily defined exceptions for MOVED entries it is really not for everybody to use overlays in current state (overlays are poor documented at least). 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boundary="VZ4BE0poouG8zuhWF81G2paisr6rXznLP"; protected-headers="v1" From: George Mitchell To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3c1821a8-0afb-f27c-05d4-6ad0cf577f2a@m5p.com> Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> In-Reply-To: --VZ4BE0poouG8zuhWF81G2paisr6rXznLP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/25/21 6:06 PM, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > [...] it is really not for > everybody to use overlays in current state (overlays are poor documente= d=20 > at least). > [...] Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- George --VZ4BE0poouG8zuhWF81G2paisr6rXznLP-- --ko45F2W8EqR7wJZK0WpiCptTxR6RIirOE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsF5BAABCAAjFiEENdM4ZHktsJW5kKZXwRES3m+p4fkFAmBdDdAFAwAAAAAACgkQwRES3m+p4fk7 GRAAriubAdqwMbTEISyiC29oq0fGtaB9Abh502gnxyzFnHOyVOvs6Smc9DCO9wnIYR2fB39LOAMT 3p4LoO7nFSfrbkOFOiMMvQyymKIz3sSD7JPjmNgo+2Lxycvepm3DpWOePj5jo/onerImobuEa1h+ IFLct5pPYIWe4VGc/4aoet1/0HXvJoYhl2pHRYYEFpTpC7aGLYseXtl77XL7LbhURDUmo04FdFgx BhNGI+CfM8+Rh7z2FwYP33wywUqRaDhF3TCCu/1da8mbflTO782J2B32Z9UDjZM6rsdivlfsPuod /S+lk3k+qZWHRQneslXfHK5NcEuzPJ/mRaZUbUlf+1vu1/waS+HAxUn7wa4ITK9RKXH1wf0YYPFv G5BeH1p61xyZlJ1/LvXD38jvsjhofav6QDF5GY3KNNgNG2QOxNiUy/8e7F58Sa5sLo2Ir+wWbE4F Wzx/+kEPUrFMjp9kWS3hgtnDaiDiRgdilNALPBGeMZuYh6QjZx4a/YmRt/ET9p8DSvoOZRetZsam tlrGL9Slm+yIp7ivTadKZt4PKo5ejv7fYQ9NGha9tmP3twjmVDQ15K1rr/QOpAEgezKWF6/qZbwQ Dg+DYMRWlfypRzPFEf1Dgv0hYol9U0ZV2jAvts56INok+YJMpgknA1CWY3a9t2LD9Tf+ltSbsOrk L48= =X9O7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ko45F2W8EqR7wJZK0WpiCptTxR6RIirOE-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 22:48:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08EC57E932 for ; 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 01:56:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75CF5AFDB2; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (mail-io1-f53.google.com [209.85.166.53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F64pB0J83z3Jt2; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 01:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id e8so3900751iok.5; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yCW7Gc4Lswbp86RoXMJwt2fofogHtgsA1DWyJkZfza8=; b=dF8gR9kmL8OY0quk8TJb0arCm025owyQVRWvh7xMEH2JvB5u4VzL7HxK1ryR47WGwK ieiu7Rpon3JW3MiqASyktt7VdMh5+Pa9/SdnWPLNeumorlqTYaicflipIAnCtMmGApxw TDFvuv1KIXIOiJP42KmP+T9B/UAKS9jrEHVDsZfrJOp2HgtKgpJB40Tj3C1pGp++1lTO yI1VR7S2fr3x1m6n5GDW9f2BcsdyON4wFSBKqY4c1hFoqept4fowyJtXJ4+PMW9Ir4qB juJJCiWoyLoC/yv4z9gztFNnv6FSBf53Tcro419OGwStt7KnjhSzKqJkKZ2Cvwn54J5p rrCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533k10ADJgfmKzB1v3Q3EQVvTr7k/zvy+JX6IdFZoVebAc9swVcK alPV6qBIOXsIwzIa7LkH7gtxrIiFliQfMx1d7/Y7GA7Ue5M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxU/0eSIP1Y0oxvZsNoKiQgGCD5FY3z//K6zbOe3vylBeCPA4eOw9ZqA1cJ3IAwR61fLPhqoyiSDwg9A371Mxc= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:841a:: with SMTP id h26mr8657735ioj.179.1616723791572; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:56:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ed Maste Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Proposed ports git transition schedule To: freebsd-git , FreeBSD Ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F64pB0J83z3Jt2 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.01 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[carpeddiem]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[209.85.166.53:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[209.85.166.53:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.166.53:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.166.53:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-git,freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 01:56:34 -0000 The doc and src tree git migrations are complete, and the git working group is preparing the ports tree transition in advance of the 2021Q2 quarterly branch. The proposed schedule is available at https://wiki.freebsd.org/git and the status will be updated throughout the process, and important milestones will be sent here as well. The committer's guide has been updated with Git documentation, at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#git-primer. Some additional draft / in-progress notes are available in Warner's repo at https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/, and additional documentation will be updated over the next few days. When the conversion is complete, Subversion will become read-only with no further updates to the ports tree. If you are fetching ports using svn, you will need to switch to the new git repository at the following URLS: Web repository browser: https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/ Distributed mirrors for anonymous readonly checkout/clone https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git ssh://anongit@git.freebsd.org/ports.git Read/write Repository for committers ssh://git@gitrepo.freebsd.org/ports.git We will be monitoring #gitcvt on EFnet (irc.efnet.org) and #git on the unofficial FreeBSD Discord server (https://discord.gg/WKEKSPtJGp) during and after the cutover. 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[...] > > Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- George I can't remember the last time I used overlays (certainly with CP/M); I didn't know that FreeBSD even supported them (why bother when you've got VM?). -- Dave From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 03:02:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785AC5B1033 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F66G42RvXz3Mv7 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 53F325B102D; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AB15B0E79 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F66G41jg3z3N7k for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E63112F2D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.10]) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12Q32KPR000448 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 12Q32KpP000440; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202103260302.12Q32KpP000440@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 03:02:20 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 04:09:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BE55B29CE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F67lD576Wz3RKt for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id ADF685B2E2E; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC90D5B2F09 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F67lD1CcPz3h2H; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 12Q49LXj080468; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:09:21 -0700 From: Chris To: Rene Ladan Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline In-Reply-To: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F67lD1CcPz3h2H X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:09:13 -0000 There have been a great many comments on this matter on the mailing list. All the replies are valuable. But (this) original post has been trimmed in all those replies. So in an effort to maintain context to the original statement. I'm making my reply here. Which reflects the attitude of most all of the replies made to this announcement. My comments below this initial announcement... On 2021-03-24 06:03, Rene Ladan wrote: > Hi, > > below is an outline continuing the Python 2.7 cleanup: > > - all affected ports are now marked as deprecated, with an expiration date > of either 2020-12-31 or 2021-06-23. > - we will have to wait for Chromium to fully switch to Python 3 before we > can fully remove Python 2.7. This is work in progress on their side. Not > waiting would imply removing www/chromium (obviously), editors/vscode > (it escaped the recursive-deprecation dance of devel/electron*), but most > importantly www/qt5-webengine which would drag half of KDE with it. > However, lang/python27 will be marked as RESTRICTED so that all ports > mentioned above can still be built and run, but Python 2.7 itself will > not be available as a package. > - No more new ports having USES=python:2.7 or USES=python:2.7+ or existing > ports reverting to that, no excuses. > - No usage of lang/tauthon by the framework or any port, no excuses. > - lang/tauthon will be removed on 2021-06-23 as noticed in the port itself, > no excuses. Tauthon is not guaranteed to be compatible with any official > Python version so keeping it would just unnecessarily complicate things. > - mail/mailman is being replaced by clusteradm@ with mlmmj. You can use > `pkg lock` to stick with it after removal, if there is no other way. > - you are of course free to provide your own version of Python 2.7, Tauthon > and any application using those languages in your local setup, by using > overlays for example. > > Miscellaneous tidbits: > - WHY?!?!? Well, back in 2008, the Python Software Foundation planned to > mark Python 2.7 end-of-life at 2015-01-01, see [1], but that date was > pushed back to 2020-01-01 because a lot of downstream users had not > converted yet. So Python 2.7 is already end-of-life for 1.5 years, which > means that according to [1] the PSF is no longer fixing security issues > for it. As can be seen on [2], multiple vulnerabilities already have > been fixed for Python 3.6 to 3.9 this year. > - On a related note, most software using Python 2.7 was already removed > from the Ports Tree last year, a lot of it being unmaintained or > more or less abandoned upstream. > - Upstream Chromium is working on converting their codebase to Python 3 but > there is no completion date. Interestingly, adridg@ is experimenting with > converting www/qt5-webengine to Python 3 too. > - We are indeed faster with dropping Python 2.7 than e.g. Ubuntu, however > more recent Debian/Ubuntu distributions are more and more dropping Python > 2.7 too. This also has to do with how their branching model works, the > package set of Ubuntu LTS is determined a few months before the release > itself. > > [1] https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/ > [2] https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-392/ > > Ren, > on behalf of portmgr OK ports maintenance is almost exclusively on a volunteer/best effort basis. Most Maintainers have a $DayJob. Some have $Family. Some (not me) have something they call a $Life. Through all that, they somehow manage to make time to adopt, and Maintain one or more ports. Some -- perhaps many, do it because they're grateful for FreeBSD and all the efforts made to create, and keep it a first class OS. So in an effort to show their gratitude, attempt to give-back by becoming a Maintainer. Some are programmers, some are hackers, and some are just starting out. Often times for seasoned Maintainers the task itself is relatively routine. But Maintaining ports, even for seasoned Maintainers can be hard work. If not because of the actual problem itself. To manage to find the required time to get the job done in an acceptable time frame. For the unseasoned Maintainer. The job can often be hard. Why does our work have so little value that portmgr@ is unwilling to keep us all in the loop, or consider our opinions on such matters? Is it just me? Or is there a gross disconnect here? Maintainers need a Forum where their views on ports matters get some semblance of credence. Hell. I maintain some 160 ports. That's got to be worth *something*. Chris out... From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 05:25:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1AF5B4323 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F69Qp6PBqz3kc8 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D9C025B4322; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98745B4140 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F69Qp5x74z3kc7; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPexs-000Ppr-Gu; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:24:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:24:56 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Chris Cc: Rene Ladan , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F69Qp5x74z3kc7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:25:07 -0000 Hi! > Why does our work have so little value that portmgr@ is unwilling > to keep us all in the loop, or consider our opinions on such matters? The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, dayjobs, etc) ares valid for those folks from portmgr as for the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 Now what ? From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 06:06:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807B45B4D99 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6BLK2cJ9z3mM1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5998C5B4D98; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596505B4D96 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6BLK0sfxz3mPG; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 12Q66RUs058523; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0700 From: Chris To: Kurt Jaeger Cc: Rene Ladan , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline In-Reply-To: References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6BLK0sfxz3mPG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:06:17 -0000 On 2021-03-25 22:24, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> Why does our work have so little value that portmgr@ is unwilling >> to keep us all in the loop, or consider our opinions on such matters? > > The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, > dayjobs, etc) ares valid for those folks from portmgr as for > the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. Indeed, and don't think that hadn't occurred to me. In fact I suspected that portmgr@ was feeling a bit overwhelmed, and that *that* triggered the seemingly overreaching python announcement. May I humbly request a petition for such large-sweeping changes? IMHO this will give portmgr@ the opportunity to get caught up, and perhaps get some assistance -- maybe we all come up with an idea that saves _everyones_ bacon. :-) Thanks for the thoughtful reply. --Chris From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 08:23:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92E35B785C for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6FNB5gPXz3tTJ for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6FMv419Sz2D1r8 for ; 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[3dresearch.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.225.1.73:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.784]; FROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:23:07 -0000 On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 14:25:40 -0400 Janos Dohanics wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I have a laptop with FreeBSD 13.0-RC2 amd64 GENERIC 1300139 > 210a1aa0399bb8edf2d74f13171a400c613bee80 and a fully updated ports > tree. >=20 > I get an error when building multimedia/gstreamer1: >=20 > # make 'MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=3Dyes' install clean > =3D=3D=3D> Building for gstreamer1-1.16.2 > gmake[2]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2' gmake > all-recursive gmake[3]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2' Making all > in pkgconfig gmake[4]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/pkgconfig' > gmake[4]: Nothing to be done for 'all'. gmake[4]: Leaving directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/pkgconfig' > Making all in gst gmake[4]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst' gmake > all-recursive gmake[5]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst' Making > all in parse gmake[6]: Entering directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst/parse' /usr/l= ocal/bin/bison > -d -v -ppriv_gst_parse_yy ./grammar.y -o grammar.tab.c && \ mv > grammar.tab.c grammar.tab_tmp.c && \ echo '#ifdef HAVE_CONFIG_H' > > grammar.tab_tmp2.c && \ echo '#include ' >> > grammar.tab_tmp2.c && \ echo '#endif' >> grammar.tab_tmp2.c && \ > cat grammar.tab_tmp.c >> grammar.tab_tmp2.c && \ > rm grammar.tab_tmp.c && \ > mv grammar.tab_tmp2.c grammar.tab.c > ./grammar.y:799.1-12: warning: deprecated directive: ??? > %pure-parser???, use ???%define api.pure??? > [=1B]8;id=3Dc2c0e10005bdd0ebe4ec2100000000Segmentation fault (core > dumped) gmake[6]: *** [Makefile:842: grammar.tab.h] Error 139 > gmake[6]: Leaving directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst/parse' > gmake[5]: *** [Makefile:1813: all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[5]: > Leaving directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst' > gmake[4]: *** [Makefile:1011: all] Error 2 gmake[4]: Leaving > directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2/gst' > gmake[3]: *** [Makefile:742: all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving > directory '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2' > gmake[2]: *** [Makefile:648: all] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory > '/usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1/work/gstreamer-1.16.2' *** Error > code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1 > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/gstreamer1 The error is fixed with this patch: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3D222697&action=3Ddiff --=20 Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 09:22:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3E75B8ACF for ; 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MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:22:54 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:56:03 -0400 Ed Maste wrote: > When the conversion is complete, Subversion will become read-only with > no further updates to the ports tree. If you are fetching ports using > svn, you will need to switch to the new git repository at the > following URLS: > > Web repository browser: > https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/ > > Distributed mirrors for anonymous readonly checkout/clone > https://git.freebsd.org/ports.git > ssh://anongit@git.freebsd.org/ports.git Thanks for this. The documentation (although introductory) is quite detailed. What would be useful is just to note down the exact replacement for: portsnap fetch portsnap extract when the migration is complete. A shell script would be even better! 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The documentation (although introductory) is quite > detailed. What would be useful is just to note down the exact > replacement for: >=20 > portsnap fetch > portsnap extract I never used portsnap, but I'd assume net/gitup should serve the same usecase. --=20 Dipl.-Inform. 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[...] > > > > Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- > > George > > I can't remember the last time I used overlays (certainly with CP/M); > I didn't know that FreeBSD even supported them (why bother when > you've got VM?). I doubt that meaning of overlay is going to be relevant. I'd not heard of it either, but from looking in ports/Mk/ it seems to be a way of modifying port builds. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:05:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8424257B632 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6RfD5H73z4s1B for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7C20A57B3E4; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3B357B3DF for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6RfD1Jg0z4s62 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 12QG68Hi091366; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:06:08 -0700 From: Chris To: RW Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline In-Reply-To: <20210326154426.7c7079f2@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> <3c1821a8-0afb-f27c-05d4-6ad0cf577f2a@m5p.com> <20210326154426.7c7079f2@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6RfD1Jg0z4s62 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:57 -0000 On 2021-03-26 08:44, RW via freebsd-ports wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:55:33 +1100 (EST) > Dave Horsfall wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, George Mitchell wrote: >> >> >> [...] it is really not for everybody to use overlays in current >> >> state (overlays are poor documented at least). [...] >> > >> > Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- >> > George >> >> I can't remember the last time I used overlays (certainly with CP/M); >> I didn't know that FreeBSD even supported them (why bother when >> you've got VM?). > > I doubt that meaning of overlay is going to be relevant. I'd not heard > of it either, but from looking in ports/Mk/ it seems to be a way of > modifying port builds. As I understand it. It allows you to graft out-of-tree ports/versions onto the ports-tree-proper. --Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 18:30:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E23657FDDF for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) Received: from stef.palmen-it.de (stef.palmen-it.de [IPv6:2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6VrY1x9Zz3Jl2 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:30:03 +0000 Received: from nexus.home.palmen-it.de ([192.168.99.2]) by mail.home.palmen-it.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPrDf-000Lg1-AJ for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:30:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:30:03 +0100 From: Felix Palmen To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed ports git transition schedule Message-ID: <20210326183003.uegcte2aqi7fawuy@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Face: /1K@t"h.}e~pR@]c7HorQ!T`F^RJCa'BCr#e>IKA{>C/9OTGB4|xh"y2{?1Z5M i2w"AH^pN_LlHR^{+f',_Np~; .B; !M/bL}*qk]p5*r7F5vW}; {:@4u5S?T&f0$7BJ-71Q5SV]:v$`5 A0[DZ:=?S52x8HJ~5@^P_\T@MsjG{R( Organization: palmen-it.de References: <20210326092245.0689a732@raksha.tavi.co.uk> <20210326130417.agarfdiuttp5l3vw@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> <20210326142711.4cf61b0e@raksha.tavi.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; 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DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[palmen-it.de:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palmen-it.de:s=20200414]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:30:06 -0000 --vefcayc5jxcku7xh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Bob Eager [20210326 14:27]: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:04:17 +0100 > Felix Palmen wrote: > > I never used portsnap, but I'd assume net/gitup should serve the same > > usecase. > >=20 >=20 > Probably. So would git. Only that net/gitup is very lightweight and doesn't use git, so if you want to just get the latest contents of a git repository, that's probably what you want to use. > But portsnap needs no more at all than the above. All of the rest (repo > details, security checks, etc.) are all done internally. I don't get what you mean. Repo details? A URL. There's example configurations containing the correct ones, just like portsnap has a server configured where to fetch snapshots from. And that's all it does, it doesn't do any "security checks", that's handled by pkg audit. I'd assume (someone may correct me) that portsnap will still be supported, as the snapshots don't depend on svn or git. But as you asked for a replacement for git, gitup comes to mind as a simple tool. --=20 Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen ,.//.......... {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """"""""""" {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A --vefcayc5jxcku7xh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEqJE9VV8uOnQ5ZbmXPvKLCrwC2ioFAmBeKCYACgkQPvKLCrwC 2iptkQf/WF0ychWDOs+OsxFKNDeJhgpGzD8hbTDlSpFXDTshYOP3QuK442Hti3Gc p3kKW9MTeeI9bkQCUL0edVkg32uF4p+C3NqmO74v+FNlWizPETZ7B1NpYYTopKZl 7WcS4UuObnCeKvirrRsjCKHwx+e2FalfC1qEwhHDUfMc8ozu6NGjfAfg2dBP0cz7 Y+SBBb+5fNcgUln6Fxuf6bzkhGusKQO6IZSHy9jcAaTAbRjWl0vVK04rJE90JaHo 3zCGopFAwZM17vVVzh0q5Vgz5eyjZs5QdZ9ESomz6JbRntmB43dWv6zfYx2eaA5o xApFyrIHI1P3VWy3uSnQFgCbQ+wmXQ== =7gpI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vefcayc5jxcku7xh-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 18:45:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D221C57FC6E for ; 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:45:30 -0000 ## Felix Palmen (felix@palmen-it.de): > I'd assume (someone may correct me) that portsnap will still be > supported, https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2020-August/119098.html Regards, Christoph -- Spare Space From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 19:19:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2235A9298 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6Wxf0NWgz3MTr for ; 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REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:19:34 -0000 More thoughts on mailman, specifically: So, I just went to find an old FB post I made about mailman 2.x: =3D=3D=3D =46rom the "Load Bearing B****it" department: Pretty much the entire world is stuck using an EOL'd mailing list = manager (mailman 2.x), which depends on an EOL'd python (2.7). =20 This includes: * All the gnu mailing lists * All of the linux mailing lists at listman.redhat * all the FreeBSD mailing lists * all the sourceforge mailing lists * all the IETF mailing lists * all of lists.isc.org * NANOG =3D=3D=3D That=E2=80=99s an AWFUL LOT of sysadmins, network admins, and coders who = looked long and hard at Mailman 3 and decided =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s = not ready yet=E2=80=9D. I think, if *nothing else*, tauthon needs to be stapled in for mailman, = even if it lives under /usr/local/mailman/bin or something (and bakes in = the couple of dependencies). I know about the archive incompatibility. There *might* be a GSOC = project to fix it. Maybe. Other changes can happen with greater use, = but clearly there=E2=80=99s a first-mover disadvantage here. -Dan > On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Chris wrote: >=20 > On 2021-03-26 08:44, RW via freebsd-ports wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:55:33 +1100 (EST) >> Dave Horsfall wrote: >>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, George Mitchell wrote: >>> >> [...] it is really not for everybody to use overlays in current >>> >> state (overlays are poor documented at least). [...] >>> > >>> > Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- >>> > George >>> I can't remember the last time I used overlays (certainly with = CP/M); >>> I didn't know that FreeBSD even supported them (why bother when >>> you've got VM?). >> I doubt that meaning of overlay is going to be relevant. I'd not = heard >> of it either, but from looking in ports/Mk/ it seems to be a way of >> modifying port builds. > As I understand it. It allows you to graft out-of-tree ports/versions > onto the ports-tree-proper. >=20 > --Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 19:55:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A98C5A9C7B for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcr+freebsd-ports@tharned.org) Received: from roadkill.tharned.org (tunnel294749-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:107f::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "tharned.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6Xl03rfrz3Pkq for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcr+freebsd-ports@tharned.org) Received: from flake.tharned.org ([IPv6:2001:470:1f11:107f:c08a:ff6e:9932:eae]) (authenticated bits=0) by roadkill.tharned.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 12QJtFgV017057 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from gcr+freebsd-ports@tharned.org) X-Authentication-Warning: roadkill.tharned.org: Host [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:107f:c08a:ff6e:9932:eae] claimed to be flake.tharned.org From: Greg Rivers To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:15 -0500 Message-ID: <12069577.xkLNZX5ndW@no.place.like.home> In-Reply-To: <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (roadkill.tharned.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:107f:0:0:0:2]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6Xl03rfrz3Pkq X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tharned.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tharned.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f10:107f::2:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tharned.org:s=2020]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[tharned.org:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f10:107f::2:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:55:25 -0000 On Friday, 26 March 2021 14:19:20 CDT Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > More thoughts on mailman, specifically: >=20 > So, I just went to find an old FB post I made about mailman 2.x: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > From the "Load Bearing B****it" department: > Pretty much the entire world is stuck using an EOL'd mailing list manager= (mailman 2.x), which depends on an EOL'd python (2.7). =20 > This includes: > * All the gnu mailing lists > * All of the linux mailing lists at listman.redhat > * all the FreeBSD mailing lists > * all the sourceforge mailing lists > * all the IETF mailing lists > * all of lists.isc.org > * NANOG > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > That=E2=80=99s an AWFUL LOT of sysadmins, network admins, and coders who = looked long and hard at Mailman 3 and decided =E2=80=9Cthat=E2=80=99s not r= eady yet=E2=80=9D. >=20 > I think, if *nothing else*, tauthon needs to be stapled in for mailman, e= ven if it lives under /usr/local/mailman/bin or something (and bakes in the= couple of dependencies). >=20 > I know about the archive incompatibility. There *might* be a GSOC projec= t to fix it. Maybe. Other changes can happen with greater use, but clearl= y there=E2=80=99s a first-mover disadvantage here. >=20 I concur. The thought of losing Mailman 2.x fills me with dread. =2D-=20 Greg From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:17:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075925AAE0F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (kipling.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6YDR0M7kz3Qn7 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36344139CE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:25 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tavi.co.uk; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=selector1; bh=Ns0m3T6 79xHVm6Ths+QDDPmxYQI=; b=LyIitb2MnKOV0T71mmjVlQG+5/ZHn3J3K4gTtNr V82zardO5QuM7iDsHAvoOz98yFZuBRseMTmCP2COxeqb+687WbL4E7oBAcNVW2nB pZUjuINNYmGyOZn3q/mgsUrLhGkkp77+JwsmFRqCfUO0mha/CJ5MMrnoqG0uotxX uLlc= Received: from raksha.tavi.co.uk (raksha.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.139]) (Authenticated sender: rde@tavi.co.uk) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC184139D1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:24 +0000 From: Bob Eager To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210326201724.75cc705d@raksha.tavi.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <10693816.1udYB6hd2u@ravel> <20210325150320.f74kx2uor4dwl5y5@aniel.nours.eu> <3c1821a8-0afb-f27c-05d4-6ad0cf577f2a@m5p.com> <20210326154426.7c7079f2@gumby.homeunix.com> <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEUwXjFLc0vD0cS7y7zw9PDZ4tkWSRaVrZZ+m39qi2tXfVj////7+/utwK4IPggAOAAJUUA7AAABKklEQVQ4jWPYjQMwDFYJp0NKEKCNJmEf9h8CsimXiL2e33s3/e7F7K2Cs3f3dCMkQkMKj4YuCY3K3iR+e7fMaiSjvkX0/5cFGrWpe2uLzOpaExUVqMS/8PX/Re5ey960OLBTZpFA8+IlSBKPQ92zNyUUBsosN58uIY0k8f+/ONCoYytkVuhWzVwNkYiYbqk5M3NmOVBi41YZ8RsGF7shEtFb5KJ3r969CyixM7OTPeFUxG2IxLO8/9/SvqXlc+/x3h295YzLlj2nIRJQj//nRvc5TEIal8RsXBLVuCQwIgoq/u80DomP6HEOk/iOS+IJLonZOCT+ReOQ+Lkbh0QKLonbOCR+7MYhsRqHBJrVcIl/1TgklqKLQyQ+tGKIgyQOqXpjig94diZRAgAXmDX6jyWafAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg====== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6YDR0M7kz3Qn7 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tavi.co.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=LyIitb2M; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tavi.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rde@tavi.co.uk designates 81.187.145.130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rde@tavi.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tavi.co.uk:s=selector1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:kipling.tavi.co.uk:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tavi.co.uk:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tavi.co.uk,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:17:28 -0000 On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:06:08 -0700 Chris wrote: > > I doubt that meaning of overlay is going to be relevant. I'd not > > heard of it either, but from looking in ports/Mk/ it seems to be a > > way of modifying port builds. > As I understand it. It allows you to graft out-of-tree ports/versions > onto the ports-tree-proper. Ah, OK. I do that in a limited way. Local stuff that I have no interest in submitting as a port. One new category, 'local'. Easily imported into a new ports tree. From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:18:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C605AAF81 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (kipling.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6YFx1Hgqz3R4F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E99C139D5; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tavi.co.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=selector1; bh=JyhV8cU obWoFLkUaQ4ZiDXHruD4=; b=kwkwcFAk3jvNcuSR63nNsBXfBORpuSt5ufpevJR 1a2maAOoY2K/H8MtkJ8H2So1EVh4c1wwHdGTVWaSyi8uYJ78BU7BoedapGZYQcEd 6omt/XbYWxXnBc3JNdKZFzzryrI3X9z+outN5iiUpoPKv+WrAs7TSpl41ozRS8TW 6un4= Received: from raksha.tavi.co.uk (raksha.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.139]) (Authenticated sender: rde@tavi.co.uk) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2C591139CE; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:43 +0000 From: Bob Eager To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: Greg Rivers Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210326201843.14fdca93@raksha.tavi.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <12069577.xkLNZX5ndW@no.place.like.home> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <8552dddf3bc33e42ae124cd4ea53fb4f@bsdforge.com> <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> <12069577.xkLNZX5ndW@no.place.like.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Face: 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==== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6YFx1Hgqz3R4F X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tavi.co.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=kwkwcFAk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tavi.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rde@tavi.co.uk designates 81.187.145.130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rde@tavi.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tavi.co.uk:s=selector1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:kipling.tavi.co.uk:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd-ports]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tavi.co.uk:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tavi.co.uk,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[81.187.145.130:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:18:46 -0000 On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:55:15 -0500 Greg Rivers via freebsd-ports wrote: > On Friday, 26 March 2021 14:19:20 CDT Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > > More thoughts on mailman, specifically: > >=20 > > So, I just went to find an old FB post I made about mailman 2.x: > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D > > From the "Load Bearing B****it" department: > > Pretty much the entire world is stuck using an EOL'd mailing list > > manager (mailman 2.x), which depends on an EOL'd python (2.7). This > > includes: > > * All the gnu mailing lists > > * All of the linux mailing lists at listman.redhat > > * all the FreeBSD mailing lists > > * all the sourceforge mailing lists > > * all the IETF mailing lists > > * all of lists.isc.org > > * NANOG > > =3D=3D=3D > >=20 > > That?s an AWFUL LOT of sysadmins, network admins, and coders who > > looked long and hard at Mailman 3 and decided ?that?s not ready > > yet?. > >=20 > > I think, if *nothing else*, tauthon needs to be stapled in for > > mailman, even if it lives under /usr/local/mailman/bin or something > > (and bakes in the couple of dependencies). > >=20 > > I know about the archive incompatibility. There *might* be a GSOC > > project to fix it. Maybe. Other changes can happen with greater > > use, but clearly there?s a first-mover disadvantage here.=20 > I concur. The thought of losing Mailman 2.x fills me with dread. >=20 Me too. Short term, I shall have it in a non-updated jail. 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none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:43:00 -0000 On 2021-03-26 12:19, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > More thoughts on mailman, specifically: > > So, I just went to find an old FB post I made about mailman 2.x: > > === > From the "Load Bearing B****it" department: > Pretty much the entire world is stuck using an EOL'd mailing list manager > (mailman > 2.x), which depends on an EOL'd python (2.7). > This includes: > * All the gnu mailing lists > * All of the linux mailing lists at listman.redhat > * all the FreeBSD mailing lists > * all the sourceforge mailing lists > * all the IETF mailing lists > * all of lists.isc.org > * NANOG > === > > That’s an AWFUL LOT of sysadmins, network admins, and coders who looked long > and > hard at Mailman 3 and decided “that’s not ready yet”. > > I think, if *nothing else*, tauthon needs to be stapled in for mailman, even > if it > lives under /usr/local/mailman/bin or something (and bakes in the couple of > dependencies). I *fully* concur. In fact, at least 2 ports that I maintain added a depends on tauthon. Which really raised my ire hearing it's intended doom announcement. :( Honestly. If something "just works", isn't a "security risk". Than don't fix it! --Chris > > I know about the archive incompatibility. There *might* be a GSOC project > to fix > it. Maybe. Other changes can happen with greater use, but clearly there’s > a > first-mover disadvantage here. > > -Dan > >> On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Chris wrote: >> >> On 2021-03-26 08:44, RW via freebsd-ports wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:55:33 +1100 (EST) >>> Dave Horsfall wrote: >>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, George Mitchell wrote: >>>> >> [...] it is really not for everybody to use overlays in current >>>> >> state (overlays are poor documented at least). [...] >>>> > >>>> > Until this thread I had never heard of them. -- >>>> > George >>>> I can't remember the last time I used overlays (certainly with CP/M); >>>> I didn't know that FreeBSD even supported them (why bother when >>>> you've got VM?). >>> I doubt that meaning of overlay is going to be relevant. I'd not heard >>> of it either, but from looking in ports/Mk/ it seems to be a way of >>> modifying port builds. >> As I understand it. It allows you to graft out-of-tree ports/versions >> onto the ports-tree-proper. >> >> --Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 22:18:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B136E5AEE48; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6bwL4Bgwz3pwp; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [109.210.108.86]) (Authenticated sender: olivier.freebsd@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 678722003AE; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:18:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1616797116; bh=RX6RXwoJabCKBHPHMf8ykpVtviTMP+nowlYCXzTTlHw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=dt1Q/WIV/oxzkRlKh4eYyTYOL9j3ekn/9+v1dDEHi7aQ6Fq8Eh6dxRiT27hGMC0RS gn6d0MVxiLFJUDipX59qZHEoUOmGv0SVfPSj+gsz5iQX7vFhZQpPZNjwht07wCBK4f abx1ROqD9h6kCvwXF9g2DxhHZj/yZIFXRA4OioAQOMEHJ2hjF4ex0ougwzpg3vLWoJ IFPMcxIFY+Bgrll8DYA/Tf0WcNzLMqCdcSGyIF4kz0osI1Ur8mHK7ChzWp+vf1TZuT Y+G1FDljnlkxXvt0qLKT7oYJtBcw+Tje5mehl+Tl6T22Wy7b+VuhT1MKcyyl9Emzw1 JesbswlBYBRmg== From: Olivier Certner To: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: RW , ports@freebsd.org, Chris Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:18:25 +0100 Message-ID: <3203348.ehEimU4jQO@ravel> In-Reply-To: References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6bwL4Bgwz3pwp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:18:42 -0000 Le vendredi 26 mars 2021, 22:43:12 CET Chris a =C3=A9crit : > Honestly. If something "just works", isn't a "security risk". Than don't = fix > it! Not so simple... But for build-only dependencies, I concur. But anyway, all new security reports for 3.x will be fixed in Tauthon. I've= =20 now already reviewed 55 security bugs from PSF and fixed those appropriate= =20 (most are either not bugs, or irrelevant, or already fixed in 2.7 or Tautho= n=20 proper). I have ~20 more to review (and possibly fix), then I'll test the=20 result and finally push all this upstream. =20 =2D-=20 Olivier Certner From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 23:20:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488B45B064D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) Received: from stef.palmen-it.de (stef.palmen-it.de [IPv6:2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6dH45G6Jz3tgn for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=palmen-it.de; s=20200414; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oiP9HsB6/FHLEZr8slp4s2gP+tTjP1KsUYKHQbQ2ekY=; b=dG0fBx+AM7Br34JEuYwMcSjzh wfS6VtU3abfpSiejtRpOaiJALZThUkAcjozCSAXjmqh3SjkmlxHrcg6CM2GvMID9yJOwtGoWiixy/ 514lmIt9H5Btry2EsWbcaoLjbR5X0O0xEZm5JiGGobll8wiNaXaczpiqbQb5nlOL6MdeEbUKRYljt kkjOpM3+PQVJXeAhZKSfmj4AGZQXqudG/YYHU7+q6WOq4SMZVKSITesixu1hwtpMDHOrNGAF60aRR TTUx53CzOWckFR/DwOqutIj384hmeg0XVgC1nhtJmbrohAMjkOMh7jJaN72hGVMERFCMSpB/RjekV heDvLenLQ==; Received: from [192.168.71.101] (helo=mail.home.palmen-it.de) by stef.palmen-it.de with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lPvkC-0005Vr-HX for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:19:56 +0000 Received: from nexus.home.palmen-it.de ([192.168.99.2]) by mail.home.palmen-it.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPvkC-000Muk-Bb for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:19:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 00:19:55 +0100 From: Felix Palmen To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed ports git transition schedule Message-ID: <20210326231955.3rsfwxaejoxp35lz@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Face: /1K@t"h.}e~pR@]c7HorQ!T`F^RJCa'BCr#e>IKA{>C/9OTGB4|xh"y2{?1Z5M i2w"AH^pN_LlHR^{+f',_Np~; .B; !M/bL}*qk]p5*r7F5vW}; {:@4u5S?T&f0$7BJ-71Q5SV]:v$`5 A0[DZ:=?S52x8HJ~5@^P_\T@MsjG{R( Organization: palmen-it.de References: <20210326092245.0689a732@raksha.tavi.co.uk> <20210326130417.agarfdiuttp5l3vw@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> <20210326142711.4cf61b0e@raksha.tavi.co.uk> <20210326183003.uegcte2aqi7fawuy@nexus.home.palmen-it.de> <20210326202240.5d4c189e@raksha.tavi.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dwxzl2rn62qr4p47" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210326202240.5d4c189e@raksha.tavi.co.uk> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20210205 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6dH45G6Jz3tgn X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=palmen-it.de header.s=20200414 header.b=dG0fBx+A; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=palmen-it.de; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of felix@palmen-it.de designates 2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=felix@palmen-it.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.03 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[palmen-it.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[palmen-it.de,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.930]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[palmen-it.de:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palmen-it.de:s=20200414]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:20:02 -0000 --dwxzl2rn62qr4p47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Bob Eager [20210326 20:22]: > Felix Palmen wrote: > > I don't get what you mean. Repo details? A URL. >=20 > With portsnap, I don't need a URL. It's built in. And that would be > nice. Ever had a look in /etc/portsnap.conf? Although it only wants a server name (well, much of a difference), there's nothing built in. gitup comes with a working configuration as well. > > And that's all it does, it doesn't do any "security checks", that's > > handled by pkg audit. >=20 > What does it need a public key for? Checking integrity of the downloaded snapshots? With fetching from repositories, integrity checks are built in. > No, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking (on behalf of many people, > I'm sure) just what I have to enter instead of: >=20 > $ portsnap fetch extract $ gitup ports --=20 Dipl.-Inform. Felix Palmen ,.//.......... {web} http://palmen-it.de {jabber} [see email] ,//palmen-it.de {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt // """"""""""" {pgp fingerprint} A891 3D55 5F2E 3A74 3965 B997 3EF2 8B0A BC02 DA2A --dwxzl2rn62qr4p47 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEqJE9VV8uOnQ5ZbmXPvKLCrwC2ioFAmBebBYACgkQPvKLCrwC 2ireYwf+LcZ9mSgobO3dYqhMqdBN4l3fvxDjGJA85jbFJJ7cYu5f9W3ZymkWnlBH SHk/4HBnCsjobrya858fmtEmUOCQfyo6lEE9u2nDS3eCpmSTG/ckM1SIAnNexj8Y R5tbjSvtAE1wNetQyHbkp6AeuKt1DHI9C5I0oqv5pAZNUFILDAgb3+7xa9+c3iRJ UeSshGbjoN+UHKMfTuA8hCVSYDlZuIdEjJKa6zZJqVVeYyXK3sYtpmKSXm3P5l/Q VyiazG0RyJN7VHCSBDaRWpa0CNj+zedT5aBhPt3DpCjmFq5QoP1XFUxemQGC0LEn GnQzGr4FC+AMwU/PPGDdoIZZQtm8SA== =NLHq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dwxzl2rn62qr4p47-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 05:32:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AF75B9BDE; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6nXW4snNz4l55; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 12R5WID0016665; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:32:18 -0700 From: Chris To: Olivier Certner Cc: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, RW , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline In-Reply-To: <3203348.ehEimU4jQO@ravel> References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <14A27037-4174-4708-9AE3-16D599076639@gushi.org> <3203348.ehEimU4jQO@ravel> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <2c384ae8c8aa11a5236f7beee4181007@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6nXW4snNz4l55 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:32:12 -0000 On 2021-03-26 15:18, Olivier Certner wrote: > Le vendredi 26 mars 2021, 22:43:12 CET Chris a écrit : >> Honestly. If something "just works", isn't a "security risk". Than don't >> fix >> it! > > Not so simple... But for build-only dependencies, I concur. > > But anyway, all new security reports for 3.x will be fixed in Tauthon. I've > now already reviewed 55 security bugs from PSF and fixed those appropriate > (most are either not bugs, or irrelevant, or already fixed in 2.7 or Tauthon > proper). I have ~20 more to review (and possibly fix), then I'll test the > result and finally push all this upstream. Thank you, Olivier. I *really* appreciate all the work you've put into this. --Chris From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 09:44:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511705BEC80 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Received: from kazanfieldhockey.ru (kazanfieldhockey.ru [78.138.152.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "kazanfieldhockey.ru", Issuer "System Administrator" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6v732SCLz3Df6 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Received: from asd2.localdomain (host-175-22.static.telecet.ru [87.117.175.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by kazanfieldhockey.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 12R9BPH0048546 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:11:27 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:44:36 +0300 From: Anatoly To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline Message-ID: <20210327124436.2fdd99b5@asd2.localdomain> In-Reply-To: References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (kazanfieldhockey.ru [192.168.13.2]); Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:11:27 +0300 (MSK) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6v732SCLz3Df6 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru has no SPF policy when checking 78.138.152.250) smtp.mailfrom=anatoly@kazanfieldhockey.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[78.138.152.250:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[78.138.152.250:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kazanfieldhockey.ru]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.233]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:28840, ipnet:78.138.144.0/20, country:RU]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:44:00 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0700 Chris wrote: > On 2021-03-25 22:24, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, > > dayjobs, etc) ares valid for those folks from portmgr as for > > the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. > Indeed, and don't think that hadn't occurred to me. In fact I > suspected that portmgr@ was feeling a bit overwhelmed, and that > *that* triggered the seemingly overreaching python announcement. > May I humbly request a petition for such large-sweeping changes? IMHO > this will give portmgr@ the opportunity to get caught up, and perhaps > get some assistance -- maybe we all come up with an idea that saves > _everyones_ bacon. :-) I already miss tools depending on gtk1.2, qt3, qt4 in ports. Maybe it makes sense to introduce new "flag" NOAUTOBUILD= To mark the ports from which no packages should be build quarterly automatically to reduce portmgr@ load, instead of just dropping those ports out of ports tree? And leave all the care of those ports to their maintainers, requiring them some kind of "pings" to detect if maintainer is "alive" as the only criteria to keep port in the tree? From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 10:10:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D935BF0CA for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6vjt5n7Pz3Fkm for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C62D75BF333; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E8F5BF2A7 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6vjt3KMYz3FYr for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (portscout.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6554E33B9 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: from portscout.nyi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.10]) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12RAAgkm067174 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from portscout@localhost) by portscout.nyi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 12RAAgSv067173; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 GMT (envelope-from portscout@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202103271010.12RAAgSv067173@portscout.nyi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: portscout.nyi.freebsd.org: portscout set sender to portscout@FreeBSD.org using -f Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:42 +0000 From: portscout@FreeBSD.org To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date X-Mailer: portscout/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:10:43 -0000 Dear port maintainer, The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more of your ports appears to be out of date. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 11:42:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD175C14C3 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail.madpilot.net (vogon.madpilot.net [159.69.1.99]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6xlR5MVBz3MbG for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail (mail [192.168.254.3]) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6xlJ0fdrz6fPH; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:42:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.madpilot.net ([192.168.254.3]) by mail (mail.madpilot.net [192.168.254.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 73YHK6ak_f6A; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:42:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Anatoly , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <20210327124436.2fdd99b5@asd2.localdomain> From: Guido Falsi Message-ID: <4483a58c-9f16-e7fc-7742-5dfa23485e43@madpilot.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:42:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20210327124436.2fdd99b5@asd2.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6xlR5MVBz3MbG X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[madpilot.net:s=bjowvop61wgh]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[madpilot.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[madpilot.net,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:42:12 -0000 On 27/03/21 10:44, Anatoly wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0700 > Chris wrote: > >> On 2021-03-25 22:24, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > >>> The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, >>> dayjobs, etc) ares valid for those folks from portmgr as for >>> the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. >> Indeed, and don't think that hadn't occurred to me. In fact I >> suspected that portmgr@ was feeling a bit overwhelmed, and that >> *that* triggered the seemingly overreaching python announcement. >> May I humbly request a petition for such large-sweeping changes? IMHO >> this will give portmgr@ the opportunity to get caught up, and perhaps >> get some assistance -- maybe we all come up with an idea that saves >> _everyones_ bacon. :-) > > I already miss tools depending on gtk1.2, qt3, qt4 in ports. > Maybe it makes sense to introduce new "flag" > NOAUTOBUILD= > To mark the ports from which no packages should be build > quarterly automatically to reduce portmgr@ load, instead of just > dropping those ports out of ports tree? And leave all the care of those > ports to their maintainers, requiring them some kind of "pings" to > detect if maintainer is "alive" as the only criteria to keep port in > the tree? > If I understand what you propose you also mean that updates to the ports tree infrastructure and to ports not marked "NOAUTOBUILD" don't need to care if the NOAUTOBUILD ports get broken in the process. If that is so, you can already do this. Just create a repo on github with a port overlay, or fork the ports tree git repo (just wait a few days for the migration of the official ports tree to git) and you can add all the ports for old software you need and maintain them, or find other people to help you doing it. If you find the resources you can also provide CI and binary packages for them. There iss no need for the project's or portmgr involvement. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 11:45:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34105C1699 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail.madpilot.net (vogon.madpilot.net [159.69.1.99]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6xqq2jj3z3MkB for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail (mail [192.168.254.3]) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6xqn1F1Rz6fPH; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:45:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.madpilot.net ([192.168.254.3]) by mail (mail.madpilot.net [192.168.254.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 8rfZqOagRwrb; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:45:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Python 2.7 removal outline To: Anatoly , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20210324130347.GA29020@freefall.freebsd.org> <20210327124436.2fdd99b5@asd2.localdomain> <4483a58c-9f16-e7fc-7742-5dfa23485e43@madpilot.net> From: Guido Falsi Message-ID: <0254e3e8-43a9-7f5e-c833-e7a7491741ea@madpilot.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 12:45:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4483a58c-9f16-e7fc-7742-5dfa23485e43@madpilot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6xqq2jj3z3MkB X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[madpilot.net:s=bjowvop61wgh]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[159.69.1.99:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[madpilot.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[madpilot.net,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 11:46:00 -0000 On 27/03/21 12:42, Guido Falsi via freebsd-ports wrote: > On 27/03/21 10:44, Anatoly wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:06:27 -0700 >> Chris wrote: >> >>> On 2021-03-25 22:24, Kurt Jaeger wrote: >> >>>> The portmgr@ role is a huge task and all the reasons (limited time, >>>> dayjobs, etc) ares  valid for those folks from portmgr as for >>>> the rest of the ports maintainers and committers. >>> Indeed, and don't think that hadn't occurred to me. In fact I >>> suspected that portmgr@ was feeling a bit overwhelmed, and that >>> *that* triggered the seemingly overreaching python announcement. >>> May I humbly request a petition for such large-sweeping changes? IMHO >>> this will give portmgr@ the opportunity to get caught up, and perhaps >>> get some assistance -- maybe we all come up with an idea that saves >>> _everyones_ bacon. :-) >> I already miss tools depending on gtk1.2, qt3, qt4 in ports. >> Maybe it makes sense to introduce new "flag" >> NOAUTOBUILD=    >> To mark the ports from which no packages should be build >> quarterly automatically to reduce portmgr@ load, instead of just >> dropping those ports out of ports tree? And leave all the care of those >> ports to their maintainers, requiring them some kind of "pings" to >> detect if maintainer is "alive" as the only criteria to keep port in >> the tree? >> > > If I understand what you propose  you also mean that updates to the > ports tree infrastructure and to ports not marked "NOAUTOBUILD" don't > need to care if the NOAUTOBUILD ports get broken in the process. > > If that is so, you can already do this. > > Just create a repo on github with a port overlay, or fork the ports tree > git repo (just wait a few days for the migration of the official ports > tree to git) and you can add all the ports for old software you need and > maintain them, or find other people to help you doing it. If you find > the resources you can also provide CI and binary packages for them. > > There iss no need for the project's or portmgr involvement. OTOH, if you expect all committers to put additional work on the infrastructure or their ports to make sure they don't break obsolete and EOL software, that is not a viable option. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 14:15:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50EF5C5ED7 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (kipling.tavi.co.uk [81.187.145.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F71874pVgz3nKX for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rde@tavi.co.uk) Received: from kipling.tavi.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kipling.tavi.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C44139D1 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:15:11 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=tavi.co.uk; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; 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That's an entirely different software which has nothing to do with gitup. I'm talking about net/gitup, which is a little C program with *no* dependencies and definitely no python involved. If you don't have it in your ports tree, upgrade your ports tree. --=20 Dipl.-Inform. 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 3/27/21 10:20 AM, Felix Palmen wrote: > [...] I'm talking about net/gitup, which is a little C program with > *no* dependencies and definitely no python involved. If you don't have > it in your ports tree, upgrade your ports tree. -- while you still can, with the existing tools ... -- George --pMzrwUpB3ZF0AYmE1jSiL5VFyD6H2wF0i-- --DOSCVF7FUXS8Blvk9jzbAMpJcvMDmn0vQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsF5BAABCAAjFiEENdM4ZHktsJW5kKZXwRES3m+p4fkFAmBfRrUFAwAAAAAACgkQwRES3m+p4fku NQ/9GhkaIIgXNf4Xh5ZXkL2c3OrmVamaW8Uc0dGTB/cgzaW2TkIARsOeGHCU0S/4ak4CCdvd8fSU 4MqcMsiE4pVh59C0vwzeH9HZPGMDqQHsbiRPTGy2aAMTNEeMrPOCQEFr/0+R/yfXzAEVcq91Sguc Rvg9SavBmTQG2PFJ8v2UKvY8FowOVzdKqUfEx73oZFFcYYL7bGSZoYKMjMj26NpuHGXCOx60pCeK z7EGTReidG9k+DjOSPArAPEKILIQPqM7k/57GbO3IpB85aatqg7/MCaCPqEPQ51SK1Y5T+ku19+U vfM+WDzFIlsINXwBuvS++gCHboN5bbxBcI7DTgNRnLm1iUHqjIdszObw1NLoJdFc8bdAnmljxtae n5knS2wKvohfcg35Bs46bqlbX9uUYGLcMJAes4tJW5jroSvlek9gnDb8yt68ZIoMRhjZPtPQtil9 AXo6UEJaZVpmAhbA88kpWsMivwGN3zmr0/2d+P43YFueSVFkFzkNMP+QlnEK75YB/3MoJfVCXgTG nL5+Xi7LntZMJ6P5xTVTuAijBvvbo1ayCNHUr3iXTvt4AaK/L3N4LqByAu9ZTcWkppv8Xy40hbnd K4KCNJ7ISrY4eInwvGZ/b/ZTa8Aaz1USjVltOsz4XbItfd3mqp3HXeWiVcY+xyzjF1wGoJrDROgB PIE= =4RhB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DOSCVF7FUXS8Blvk9jzbAMpJcvMDmn0vQ-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 15:03:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0BB5C7239 for ; 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MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[194.109.24.25:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 15:03:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4364378F-E0DA-4F7F-86A1-3F560B4D027A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Mar 27, 2021, at 0:19, Felix Palmen > wrote: >=20 >> No, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking (on behalf of many people, >> I'm sure) just what I have to enter instead of: >>=20 >> $ portsnap fetch extract >=20 > $ gitup ports I just did the following mv ports old.ports # just in case mkdir ports gitup ports and it seemed to work fine. jaap --Apple-Mail=_4364378F-E0DA-4F7F-86A1-3F560B4D027A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: no-use-standard-socket iF0EARECAB0WIQQrCaF5s4l4c+dDH/sjEcdY8Kh9hQUCYF9JIQAKCRAjEcdY8Kh9 hU27AKCL/k8uvRb8lYDf4MVRjq2j5/4UEACglrh77pEVTNZne1AKmQcwX7JNVMU= =W00c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4364378F-E0DA-4F7F-86A1-3F560B4D027A-- From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 16:01:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2775787A8 for ; 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RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[palmen-it.de:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palmen-it.de:s=20200414]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:24:41 -0000 --wqu3iugn4xpubwwd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Bob Eager [20210327 16:01]: > Thanks - that looks like a nice simple way of replacing the portsnap > functionality (while avoiding its pitfalls). Right now, the default configuration uses the mirror repo from github because the official repo isn't there yet. You might want to change the configuration once migration is complete. > I feel it ought to be in base soon, though. I think *something* will come to base eventually. gitup might be an interesting candidate=E2=80=A6 --=20 Dipl.-Inform. 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