From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mon Jan 11 06:09:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0459C4CD9D3 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com (mail-qk1-x733.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DDjvr6K3Fz4lwx for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id n142so13794911qkn.2 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:09:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZwwJ+Ne0QdftxtI8W4kqijUn/WTm2aEGG9E53nYUIg8=; b=QeattxOc24PN5IdbhcAkDqx5JUgz60RQ5vJk9F84ZnES6raOSpUOS1PgjUnDF2XVOw 3jQwHliwuySB5LZu2L0V8Si1SMHgkAY4ZD30ERwPN5qzQ8z0BtloCpQpGAJFT1H+lgwB ZFqhn4Q6w9VfxHIusaAwVNdAWD6N20UV3kGdItCZdt8SJVQ5qnkMikWJGdprUPf4M1Pv M5YnHHBx1MobMve1sMVE26K8PQWmvd27NUVAMEJkvt9iZfZEAW8Vmol1WH7faQYe0LQY NUnnjMk0+D/MGA+u6+qosXpL1yLqwY5IvC+FtGNYC80sQxKs7xpuXgf0bCYU6EQlmF3a RKUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZwwJ+Ne0QdftxtI8W4kqijUn/WTm2aEGG9E53nYUIg8=; b=KN2cH4MRtIsH7pKiMA+9jtowQYSThxdXjWqz52tP9Uq7uHSIur7W/y0I7PKYFWcK4F jdb5u2SBOMn0F36of8O3XhQ4AVhSYLumshHMI4Sw9bfJLOZSg5esUZuX+9q9s9EabQNN ZykHuVExw9r9IMStXNChzOEKFBfHOermB4HMrqZwALMm8iedCAdE8nHYH1HY1kQCirIB fmdQ/Wn/ZLq8ByXsKrXDoELDsfBNQbX+ByfEirc4SOAnNLm/aFDR/2ETIPddy3qvQYrd aWxTuxvztmftQRoR3Van/n3Cjpt1w9mJSeJAztE/mzLFTzPKHYXhshr8QHnn35lyr1Sd qSow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530RjQs/d+F0zI4efY/MQ0TvS7sQ50hZrdsuZ4agAjXpXYS1Haxn asB5tQKjSvoKxqxeVuJ9zLBULPcrbbbKYZoMLhu0hH1ysGaAZOIn X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzlojyqCWsMY516/kKtdJpWz+LnIU2rLCqg6ERzlL7qn+/4kVIeyUCvG4DSaSCixqV/8sKf0+/ykHbwKWQY3Lg= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:c01a:: with SMTP id u26mr14479766qkk.216.1610345351538; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:09:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Julio Merino Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 22:09:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DDjvr6K3Fz4lwx X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=QeattxOc; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::733 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.24)[0.242]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::733:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:09:14 -0000 Hello all, It has been a long time since I touched FreeBSD last... but I recently got a PowerMac G5 (because!) and FreeBSD seems to be the only reasonable choice these days for such a machine. So... I'm back here :) First of all, and to be honest, everything has worked better than expected. I could get the system installed without trouble and I've been surprised to see that there are now pre-built binary packages for powerpc64 available out of the box! A very nice surprise. Last time I tried this on a similar machine 7 years ago, I remember having to build a ton of stuff from scratch, which wasn't fun... So... I have installed X.org and, on the first attempt to run it, I got the following video output: https://photos.app.goo.gl/R1bx4FCRD7aRKG9x9 Note that the colors are all off and that half of the screen is "strange": the background is split in two colors. This picked up the scfb driver. This machine comes with an NVIDIA 6600, so I manually installed xf86-driver-nv to give it another try. With the nv driver, I got this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/U7Yx3zs2YfND25ks7 In this case, the colors are good and things mostly work... but note that the background problem is still there. And if I maximize something like xterm, the same thing happens: the top of the window has the right white color, but more than half is black and has some rendering artifacts: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kWacbVNXAB8cpqHJ9 Lastly, with the nv driver, when I exit Xorg I'm left with a console with extremely faint text. There is no brightness. Here is the X.org startup log: https://pastebin.com/srgPiUiu Any thoughts or things I could try? I remember the other machine I had years ago had this same card and gave me some trouble too, because I remember buying a Radeon to replace it. Maybe I should do the same thing now? :-/ Thank you! -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mon Jan 11 23:54:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCA04E9F6C for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x136.google.com (mail-il1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DF9YP0LRWz3Ms4 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x136.google.com with SMTP id q1so1121762ilt.6 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:54:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=XQ/LPI0LGmuueNClULnFIZmFl3smr1Xcd+nnGUw7uEg=; b=uzu6whCcokg2N0B6ySeAro3dtkAmOFFJjl2KF9i6WljUgHqnH5ryXUnx3I7tRID0S9 Ppex0E3nsjLnM/4rbZ3pzW6arra17XH5H5q548TqsOCDXTxIo2D36YWJDj/LWN+pNGh2 dSmjzUCqLpf7LBjw5QPEfKBG5tYkCZ6xH0NCfc7eCMzj54V3vHNr4uCOhb0UR9UzEkFW CS5wMMA8pu4Gq7cb0Fv3AvoUCMutBAt/kr8ma8TJlGgJam1uv0wj20axEfdcHOB4oXxM 8Ls81DU/0TmDWAoYBnIjRwGWKoA7zH527ngUeF3cdZLMKUvjTE0qw4yV4RZqLRNzJ/Dk 7VAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=XQ/LPI0LGmuueNClULnFIZmFl3smr1Xcd+nnGUw7uEg=; b=TQULDWY/ToEzjRKfD4VEntAx1J3jm3O0RqIZg7o6sWNwOoSfR2t1AgVXwXawdjc5/N GuEUKJFnb1GttHURVoI20QKTVIA0ZqHqMY2kl3jSjq+gEcuZHmwva1fWNRhtkLcO/0y6 /R6CB2KL4Zw7D35w32Bd1wKqVI7Vgb/LcyIAkok8pcgmYdcaVE6ACtfMQ7hf3/l9jnw8 NwOD7tKODQtyziqGKn6uKMN7TOVla55zvzgENMBYhEd80jgZzj8kEhkHA8+Lmf9nMrts CAekHQyt219ISYoXL7BaSIJ3JbP9isHwXkMkBu4w61iSbTPqWACUHH2Layd/Tn8r361I GogQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5308IhyVqm00MZNGtif5VKreOMLm4ungnzPV/v9LaY46vaRVA1Dr kccfshjnVpOhL+sHEXZtqalsdq/8648= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy82j9lA/2RqotaJBqFdTg7L0i6kAazuHm3A7YYJtWkgL1/HvnEt/BFmuDEMxfUgwWqSxEpSg== X-Received: by 2002:a92:c002:: with SMTP id q2mr1485163ild.186.1610409287647; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from coral.acadix.biz (2603-6000-a401-3a00-0223-24ff-fe37-c4d7.res6.spectrum.com. [2603:6000:a401:3a00:223:24ff:fe37:c4d7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o63sm1020839ilb.83.2021.01.11.15.54.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jan 2021 15:54:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: Julio Merino , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: From: Jason Bacon Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:54:46 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DF9YP0LRWz3Ms4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=uzu6whCc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bacon4000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bacon4000@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::136:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::136:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::136:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:54:50 -0000 Yeah, ppc works remarkably well with FreeBSD.=C2=A0 If we just had Firefo= x=20 and Thunderbird, I could actually use my iMac G5 for my daily work routin= e. The nv driver is deprecated and gets very little attention these days.=C2= =A0=20 You might be better off swapping in a Radeon card.=C2=A0 Not sure which o= ne=20 would work well with ppc.=C2=A0 The one in my PowerMac G5 only seems to=20 support 640x480 under FreeBSD 12.1. Have fun... =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JB On 1/11/21 12:09 AM, Julio Merino wrote: > Hello all, > > It has been a long time since I touched FreeBSD last... but I recently = got > a PowerMac G5 (because!) and FreeBSD seems to be the only reasonable ch= oice > these days for such a machine. So... I'm back here :) > > First of all, and to be honest, everything has worked better than expec= ted. > I could get the system installed without trouble and I've been surprise= d to > see that there are now pre-built binary packages for powerpc64 availabl= e > out of the box! A very nice surprise. Last time I tried this on a simil= ar > machine 7 years ago, I remember having to build a ton of stuff from > scratch, which wasn't fun... > > So... I have installed X.org and, on the first attempt to run it, I got= the > following video output: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/R1bx4FCRD7aRKG9x9 > > Note that the colors are all off and that half of the screen is "strang= e": > the background is split in two colors. This picked up the scfb driver. > > This machine comes with an NVIDIA 6600, so I manually installed > xf86-driver-nv to give it another try. With the nv driver, I got this: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/U7Yx3zs2YfND25ks7 > > In this case, the colors are good and things mostly work... but note th= at > the background problem is still there. And if I maximize something like= > xterm, the same thing happens: the top of the window has the right whit= e > color, but more than half is black and has some rendering artifacts: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/kWacbVNXAB8cpqHJ9 > > Lastly, with the nv driver, when I exit Xorg I'm left with a console wi= th > extremely faint text. There is no brightness. > > Here is the X.org startup log: https://pastebin.com/srgPiUiu > > Any thoughts or things I could try? I remember the other machine I had > years ago had this same card and gave me some trouble too, because I > remember buying a Radeon to replace it. Maybe I should do the same thin= g > now? :-/ > > Thank you! > --=20 Earth is a beta site. From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 01:34:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B882D4EC4B6 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:34:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFCm76Xj0z3kKH for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:34:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id 186so641374qkj.3 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:34:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=J7LPu//AEqiGx1LUTmpKUH8vMMwJVsHikUijV+aI/JU=; b=OH/yuF0UyNsV5qGy8E1WSmNGYnkbiJxjRDBUSYcIM6VZZJmbWhdEurPQUpM+StfhDk I331xMRjfE2inRgT1f67MrG9deNJ82amVjASkqocITR7vNJ8f/6miF3cGqy4CxcwBvfq 77bH/C6+MamblX7J6buXI6QG7ZhtEgey/dfL8VpB/9h/YocqmqP2hePWNOtV2z3w/4wL 3YgnoR8WDNsDitLQ8br1utXzAFjGeq4m+W5sSv3MdAEmiyLTzR6BzdzQc1s1hifkipJW VzKwN7mD7I+U/kHdTNYua4yf+xA913/jNvhBiDj0au2AGmG4dPoS6JKdektsat1EIo6X QWTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J7LPu//AEqiGx1LUTmpKUH8vMMwJVsHikUijV+aI/JU=; b=doVLDwGWiWNjcRyudrAnvtTWNCZsBPsTZJoLVQxdUw4DibfO7wPQXtovEQ7bK/TEpL q4AyZl6bRzyJTziHE37FJXhH74/tds/pAfyTnwZD8dKuRnOhOepf/eN0fI1GF5to7VPf 8SgXhNJMoombwqxTAPFTArye5PN2D8hVVXwRQgk2BkzDDqyAWAYvxtdM0e9NBKm+G9b6 hz79mEmWiyXoogmgzdsm3zkmYyQFkJW7j4YWLTyHkyZQA0pL0ro4FOJzqx5Hju/TZwEW i7j/XH9HGYTQcpxpIVI0Q2fUpOwL0bJCqrvjBWfeEYDVJcadvx2E5Pm4pnTUsbCeaU0e 45Vw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wIZooYo/zN/OJ7XDMtJozal/2vEnN5NL9x+El7guoVK3wAwuU cL8PTS4dvw5jFBPfAkt+u861Pd6HMbIs7CX0ORyK4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzEgbMGUbMDlu3s7CQKda57bQF0Ia3vv7VKT3qs5m/B0gHYxZXquPLDBjjEEBy/m+WMmDaid0xgstuhzY+Qs94= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6242:: with SMTP id w63mr2284180qkb.490.1610415254245; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:34:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Julio Merino Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: Jason Bacon Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFCm76Xj0z3kKH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=OH/yuF0U; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::736 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::736:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::736:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::736:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:34:17 -0000 On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jason Bacon wrote: > > Yeah, ppc works remarkably well with FreeBSD. If we just had Firefox > and Thunderbird, I could actually use my iMac G5 for my daily work routine. > > The nv driver is deprecated and gets very little attention these days. > You might be better off swapping in a Radeon card. Not sure which one > would work well with ppc. The one in my PowerMac G5 only seems to > support 640x480 under FreeBSD 12.1. > I recall having a Radeon 9600 XT before (that's what my eBay history shows) and working reasonably well. Unfortunately, I now noticed that this other G5 model I have only takes PCI-X and there don't seem to be any ATI cards for it! At least not that I can find. Do they have different firmware, or was it just a labeling issue and any card will work? -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 01:42:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D304ECC1D for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic313-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic313-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.65.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFCxM0FWZz3kqt for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1610415733; bh=9osNEjoFEtsbEHtXyVoVa4Aj+pCINTKuRx8KEBgQfGG=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=fElDyaJ1JC3qzy6u7f5FsIx6YTpetEouNoY7WeXVHUOmF8CL6xbC8akY6jAKhir376UvjfK4mkwjwgoNbgEWGxj1fSN1Rftc/dPm+fG8y9yCIfsL7tFUL13cDh6MNvPLgXqdfUE9d4MHTlJBhawoGr6L8IcbpmlUq8c8bP4WrUNrXD9VZWDncMNxbyjstN9bChWRMa0T+Z2qGtxQlv/XpU4Q59xlaRyEeN1N/bySgtgMVeZXeCTkZGZQ3+KADb9efEdLMLsZA/vDhdWw6zqA/msxHrhEehZuj7CxBXbt6JCcECsef4BXW4MK2cFwu2yk3rnKyW+sXYpUtXhmNnQVFA== X-YMail-OSG: LHpwH8YVM1ks.a3YJJcPIKaJsIODXV4PLDAJCE3fILhxgTUWHi4RFA5sqVYF09W DqlUqzcJDTOmjxZ9P69OJtOxodeUxuTaP1AFsDoRExT426u4b7dI6WHbaO27JTtZrmjcm6dOGwB4 rmpydk0Yyo8sFZxoBhvR_Oi4tt4hz18klkf96JURPyunes7XImVwsWyNN8yIOBWCNBM7p36pSRUG pHadzzmzLEtLSmmk2VzRpMDqPXjeqhh4qQoEKI6ZV1ZNWZCtVVRnHkA1A5CIgXZpBY1vDeis.tEB jLjJLZHc82l7y0NVQmaAiNGI2wFCP62HmsPxfRLAJNNtkLbBzvMHKczMwX1ljSfsm1cmCRmYF4DB vCS6DzSJmrBGN0LCfsm_IRAXb7zD_wAnL31pl6_dUD1huWvP371TvHmL8MzKa_WhUZiLxjcMQJMC 3Vc71ckoj7pnl8BenXy6G.RY3Sy.t3S5ewKEjosx.M3ihHFiDDZN5y.Yy8NPAWLM_RseaijtDHaY SxkEQYN913TeYRc9HCkavmX_0EK39BKaeiB4RLn7uRYZD5FIqr8.oaPT9.CIbslQwQd49NM1M8mz U3FTkgg868HbNVqMD1RoW8nQuhsVXGo9DUFlMUMkhRTI0LlzRaDgu6xD2KnCLWPBlTk463pgLcXu Ai.BFppVuYdxXqUjoxU3RMj2O1Gvm42mJLrVesOlW1G7Om2UVnNlLDfMKtPQMLugYyf3m8T44l.3 hpwg7yR1VVfMpTlyp92st_SfSWwO5EDjNdXNxph7KlpTaNovPRKB5lfxdSul6NEu0Ql5w31uRq3M r1jITnTiTUJgYRcabexLyU_ttjjI9jeaIpCcOLDXXxgTggzlb9wW5_CdZz5XRTqM3uttS12p3Mlq pIejlx.Qkzst29jZMJyJyCnv.2qSVLTpiwjDtKNrzP4gJz6AP5MjTpZzjKKry7YDM.0hQ6jWPRM3 trIHpKU_0E3p_m0FV_vMAf7Lbg0QX0h5OyUmhSa45gis53HBL0NLq48SwCfEfQRenKik2cSsOSFC J4_nWhRIGTKx7Rlg48l7vBWBAiGaL82cfeyUFyDztE8qQuTCiaIvoBYNCPsLf5hfo3xD.2cIzZUV ciNTa6qfcBeX2cqbweOmf0wUnJa6fdDzREWfgpClR7KHToWqOVXskz_z9IhsigGarC8CSy3eT7mk dFbaRjKF.nf5ZP1Qj0nXFnx4qXxYevRwLVUzZn3rfLv12G0T3RL_P.o4fjFcQsSGmNFRKFGaYeem L_DLBkIOJu8PuxhMwp16z3A3QWSuhI1OGMCTX6wzBFCjK37VdGc3ndYExiRwhqWUNefsnTE2NxDO ZL0AL3R2zzkRYDBy4btP8hikPxCy2SyY6gn59oYO9lFlS4ebV9cai4fmSTVN_VDEg_1T84nWJBNV Di_CBA5XZiy_JB1znV2icYldpRK.T300ltxhdPTsSO3ciXASlxFKsQEq9XEFKcwQtrcOytTTJ5DN IUAIxicUZBx9iRsSKFZYUwnyfCnSPUxb.2hh3QBWFvacqmu31X9AEkm60.lYEC1M.lUb9I7uvXg9 xkqUjcLfHmOuNVqxfpCuhMnMXROCpnJXjgvMm_ZO4DMwZoxS4vAOOMYKCZk41Nv2BM2rTIQsdL7H wG2ZPjAVb8DVhJTxfuYK90Vput.sPTFZBCdsCk5W.MtbXBzK21ZYjqgz2dK45sV2KyKJTnFDzLNv wCZobEljfOABW2QFeG9TydcZhBPh.NINlJo1jNtZXyxSjlsbJsxtCFIeoH7HFuuaUGJbH9RY1.LJ wbgMjSFp7qkUrt9afHyMVYkcDhD1ZjQvY5Xpt85gZPBnAkkoB1jJlYI3jkarqFNtjao6l76_M.oy OvXbF7WgWrpGOi5HqjHLEtnqen4gxuRroWWfkGKq9ERljPvfplyhN_NHG5nrtTic5f5xJMicYkz1 aaGnSP8_h2ADa3l8wawos_88vtQhJTXQY53l5rkkboOhzfftYSN7vR9sRhCG6B8spK6u_uFfoECE qcetxlu1hdOlYxQkW42VgPPNe31BEk4S_67P9B5imZyYkivnkS9_akVHbbQYqcdynX7hyfNbWKPQ mt_IXb1rRuVPgbY0nDFrubZEQAZqPw_wXxbl5CUEZFORNZKYkqEsJ16UW3L.JpjcufZB0YIo8b6_ noC79KzoNmKw02zFcyqXX9NU1eT8YTOBGtZx2L.ivo3NCb6LPr2CEMosCjtD5WXtKkqlitM0oRrF pwzLv4AKBG7g.ycfo8bGRmFK1RJK5u52IYUoi_CnutM7ivRhPKxZB2i.FiCz0HINPi8r.Rfqclhu aB3yf7AxqBl2DaRCmIEvRZ._3V5uFg_c_BCc0dADmJY2mUsSEdnGB52EyE6aNTes5IB87BvgUrUH 52VVwYLzn1S8WfsbyXqtuiBiuPw1BcqNxUBs0SOmoHmPEM3mIvfbM.ml5Talrw2k.3qeu Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic313.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:42:13 +0000 Received: by smtp402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 139e3f22cb4e2196ccb2db62118ca7f7; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:42:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.40.0.2.32\)) Subject: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to Message-Id: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:42:09 -0800 To: freebsd-ppc X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA.ref@yahoo.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFCxM0FWZz3kqt X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:42:16 -0000 The last of the 4-core PowerMac G5s that I have access to now shuts down for "CPU B0 DIODE TEMP" that "exceeds critical temperature (90.0 C)" when I try to rebuild/update ports or such. The other 4-core G5 failed for such reasons in similar contexts a few months ago.,Interestingly, the two G5s have very different liquid cooling systems despite the similar time frame for the failures. Without the faster G5s, I may just use cross-built world/kernel material and see if there is a tolerable but minimal set of ports for supporting boot testing/dump inspection and basic operation of the slower 2-socket/1-core-each and 1-socket/1-core-each PowerMacs that I have access to, avoid things like building devel/llvm* ports that take so long. (I have fairly strong time preferences.) === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 04:38:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FD74C8986 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 04:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic316-8.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic316-8.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFHs73F0Kz3v0Q for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 04:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1610426329; bh=pFuMKJT3PIXh5WKsXIS7cbqzOcz1FGMGCJLJOUOIPdg=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; 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RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 04:38:52 -0000 On 2021-Jan-11, at 17:42, Mark Millard wrote: > The last of the 4-core PowerMac G5s that I have access to now shuts > down for "CPU B0 DIODE TEMP" that "exceeds critical temperature > (90.0 C)" when I try to rebuild/update ports or such. The other > 4-core G5 failed for such reasons in similar contexts a few months > ago.,Interestingly, the two G5s have very different liquid cooling > systems despite the similar time frame for the failures. > > Without the faster G5s, I may just use cross-built world/kernel > material and see if there is a tolerable but minimal set of ports > for supporting boot testing/dump inspection and basic operation of > the slower 2-socket/1-core-each and 1-socket/1-core-each PowerMacs > that I have access to, avoid things like building devel/llvm* > ports that take so long. (I have fairly strong time preferences.) I've done some more testing and, while use as a (full load/speed) builder machine is a no-go, it looks like this 4-core G5 can still be used for boot testing and basic operation without overheating. The prior failing machine overheated more easily but might have a similar status if I test it just for such use. How long the recently failed G5 will be useful for boot and basic operation testing, I do not know. 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[2603:6000:a401:3a00:223:24ff:fe37:c4d7]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n4sm2870007ilm.63.2021.01.12.07.36.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Jan 2021 07:36:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: Julio Merino Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: From: Jason Bacon Message-ID: <9e7648ee-d0ef-eaf6-1d6b-ee06564dc843@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:36:39 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFZSB45b0z3hD5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=okPKLuQC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bacon4000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bacon4000@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:36:43 -0000 This is what I have: https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Genuine-Apple-PowerMac-ATI-DVI-Video-Card-10= 2A1360101-P-N-109-A13600-01-/184366621028 It's actually AGP, though the seller has it listed as PCI. I didn't put any serious effort into resolving the resolution issues, so = it might be possible to get it working beyond 640x480. Or maybe there's=20 another card that someone on this list can verify works well? Best, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 JB On 1/11/21 7:34 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jason Bacon > wrote: > > > Yeah, ppc works remarkably well with FreeBSD.=C2=A0 If we just had = Firefox > and Thunderbird, I could actually use my iMac G5 for my daily work > routine. > > The nv driver is deprecated and gets very little attention these > days. > You might be better off swapping in a Radeon card.=C2=A0 Not sure w= hich > one > would work well with ppc.=C2=A0 The one in my PowerMac G5 only seem= s to > support 640x480 under FreeBSD 12.1. > > > I recall having a Radeon 9600 XT before (that's what my eBay history=20 > shows) and working reasonably well. Unfortunately, I now noticed that=20 > this other G5 model I have only takes PCI-X and there don't seem to be = > any ATI cards for it! At least not that I can find. Do they have=20 > different firmware, or was it just a labeling issue and any card will=20 > work? > > --=20 > jmmv.dev --=20 Earth is a beta site. From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 16:23:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AA84DD845 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFbVF0q9Hz3lrb for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.1, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, NICE_REPLY_A -0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 10CGMmuk025094 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 10CGMmuk025094 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:22:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <9e7648ee-d0ef-eaf6-1d6b-ee06564dc843@gmail.com> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:22:48 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9e7648ee-d0ef-eaf6-1d6b-ee06564dc843@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFbVF0q9Hz3lrb X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.927]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:23:34 -0000 > > I didn't put any serious effort into resolving the resolution issues, so > it might be possible to get it working beyond 640x480. Or maybe there's > another card that someone on this list can verify works well? > Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not seen a workable installer in at least a year. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 16:26:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA0D4DD856 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFbYk49rqz3m74; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:405:4a00:acd:351e:8231:7593:790d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: nwhitehorn/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6114ADDEF; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: Dennis Clarke , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <9e7648ee-d0ef-eaf6-1d6b-ee06564dc843@gmail.com> From: Nathan Whitehorn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:26:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:26:34 -0000 On 1/12/21 11:22 AM, Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc wrote: > >> I didn't put any serious effort into resolving the resolution issues, so >> it might be possible to get it working beyond 640x480. Or maybe there's >> another card that someone on this list can verify works well? >> > Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install > on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of > them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not > much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein > the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in > the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug > the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to > ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not > seen a workable installer in at least a year. > > > Does the release CD not work? 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Or maybe there'= s >> another card that someone on this list can verify works well? >> > Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install > on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of > them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not > much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein > the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in > the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug > the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to > ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not > seen a workable installer in at least a year. > > > FreeBSD 12.1 install was a pretty straightforward from a USB stick,=20 though as I recall the G5s are fussy about USB sticks, e.g. they don't=20 recognize U3 flash drives.=C2=A0 Install from CD should work as well. Then "pkg install desktop-installer" and "desktop-installer" to set up=20 the GUI. Lumina desktop works well on these systems.=C2=A0 It's probably the faste= st=20 full-blown DE.=C2=A0 LXDE was really sluggish on my iMac for some reason.= Some runaway fan issues on the PowerMac that are reportedly avoided by=20 disabling SMP. --=20 Earth is a beta site. From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 16:43:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38564DE598 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFbwz3HhSz3nRD for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.1, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, NICE_REPLY_A -0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 10CGgcRd025888 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 10CGgcRd025888 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:42:38 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFbwz3HhSz3nRD X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:43:16 -0000 On 1/12/21 4:38 AM, Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > > On 2021-Jan-11, at 17:42, Mark Millard wrote: > >> The last of the 4-core PowerMac G5s that I have access to now shuts >> down for "CPU B0 DIODE TEMP" that "exceeds critical temperature >> (90.0 C)" when I try to rebuild/update ports or such. The other >> 4-core G5 failed for such reasons in similar contexts a few months >> ago.,Interestingly, the two G5s have very different liquid cooling >> systems despite the similar time frame for the failures. >> >> Without the faster G5s, I may just use cross-built world/kernel >> material and see if there is a tolerable but minimal set of ports >> for supporting boot testing/dump inspection and basic operation of >> the slower 2-socket/1-core-each and 1-socket/1-core-each PowerMacs >> that I have access to, avoid things like building devel/llvm* >> ports that take so long. (I have fairly strong time preferences.) > > I've done some more testing and, while use as a (full load/speed) > builder machine is a no-go, it looks like this 4-core G5 can > still be used for boot testing and basic operation without > overheating. The prior failing machine overheated more easily > but might have a similar status if I test it just for such use. > > How long the recently failed G5 will be useful for boot and basic > operation testing, I do not know. But probably longer than for > the originally-failing G5. > The shipping cost of a replacement unit would be more money than the entire machine itself. I have four of these units where I keep one of them running neatly. I think I have half a dozen more somewhere in the back of a warehouse in Toronto. Back in 2010 ( or earlier ) they were fantastic CPU powerhouse units running some math crunch daemons that I wrote. Also, hard to believe but it was more cost effective than running the big SPARC64 units that I had at the same time. Ever tried to run Sun/Oracle M4000 or M5000 machines? In any case please drop me a line off-list and let's see if we can figure out a way to get a workable unit into your hands. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 17:01:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD554DEEF9 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robballantyne3@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x430.google.com (mail-pf1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFcL04zQkz3qBj for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robballantyne3@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x430.google.com with SMTP id x126so1733475pfc.7 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:01:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mmOZccm5r80I7b7tjMfYRRr3wEgE4QA2bn+RRcQ1ATk=; b=nPE7FqI9POcAeZA4zVZZ1K34j6guI+Ur5Wxn/kivNlKub7fyTI5WyIN41D4i1wbNWx lxkjh9o3CRPL03TSbLZ8lgFQy7+Zrx538mKT04mxIfuQyYp60R1Mp0rNRb9MP25bDIHG 4GqEOyGOZBWl6s6KI1LXcjPWgxoK409pxSYC1ild2LMXm0YhfQVEEFbMmOgeyIdT3gsT MKTQ00Gq+hMECtgvtwERjMHXmxq6U5b3xnLKyvL2izQjzvcRrclpwKX2SbDtoON+ND7a +LPUKtXsh51OBsWZAYEl/oFqjMp1QkVKrh/wAx5ClCw3kylTGIOWss70x59Thco7qpwK syyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mmOZccm5r80I7b7tjMfYRRr3wEgE4QA2bn+RRcQ1ATk=; b=XZu7cuj1aXjI1U2fptg09lnUjkKYQ+5I4y9qn+PzH9FsbGgO8ACBTT3el+fIB38kRy fAlJaaLb7bqP4B8tIasLvSjAL4qun3ci6Uh5+Hq3iwDxFXOYoo7/gp4Hdv8IizZ4rhWw ZdZyvViAoA4s5dss52AaX/5SuhcDGwYfhB7zma97Xly7aoWQh/+ExSkUrBd6zQUZKA9r ijZ6jSCwXxe20/C4l6eb5LDFjRJYpU9jzQVu/oqN2vVq7OYBGX129IwR7K2LL2pRwi6s E7tNAIEepDzSSTFPqMeMthtVy28D09K9jkNR+p9hk63AejQKtXU3WwMVeSW258YfJo19 thfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KgEbcIyEfFhF760rdIQpluy704pv31ag1IyjyYqVv77boNgh3 PCTbKT110HqcNMEzURC6PFbCbSLQ/xp6ILCc12QjYMBt29esvA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz/ohUFeZxwLmtyoj+65NKzzyHp9ict2GtFSohE1LifRSkBQU5MYj5nAxqsj8OyI4DQoLhYz77aiPnRP+TF8hk= X-Received: by 2002:a63:700f:: with SMTP id l15mr26830pgc.214.1610470886853; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> In-Reply-To: <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> From: Rob Ballantyne Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to To: Dennis Clarke Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFcL04zQkz3qBj X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=nPE7FqI9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of robballantyne3@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::430 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=robballantyne3@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::430:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::430:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::430:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:01:29 -0000 I've got two of these units. My plan is to try and keep one running. However, I haven't started the running one for over a year. I don't know if everyone has seen: http://archive.is/v6ziF. It's an archive of the cooling system rebuild that someone once did. I attempted it on one of my units, unfortunately the first attempt was unsuccessful. Regards, Rob On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:43 AM Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc < freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> wrote: > On 1/12/21 4:38 AM, Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > > > > > On 2021-Jan-11, at 17:42, Mark Millard wrote: > > > >> The last of the 4-core PowerMac G5s that I have access to now shuts > >> down for "CPU B0 DIODE TEMP" that "exceeds critical temperature > >> (90.0 C)" when I try to rebuild/update ports or such. The other > >> 4-core G5 failed for such reasons in similar contexts a few months > >> ago.,Interestingly, the two G5s have very different liquid cooling > >> systems despite the similar time frame for the failures. > >> > >> Without the faster G5s, I may just use cross-built world/kernel > >> material and see if there is a tolerable but minimal set of ports > >> for supporting boot testing/dump inspection and basic operation of > >> the slower 2-socket/1-core-each and 1-socket/1-core-each PowerMacs > >> that I have access to, avoid things like building devel/llvm* > >> ports that take so long. (I have fairly strong time preferences.) > > > > I've done some more testing and, while use as a (full load/speed) > > builder machine is a no-go, it looks like this 4-core G5 can > > still be used for boot testing and basic operation without > > overheating. The prior failing machine overheated more easily > > but might have a similar status if I test it just for such use. > > > > How long the recently failed G5 will be useful for boot and basic > > operation testing, I do not know. But probably longer than for > > the originally-failing G5. > > > > > The shipping cost of a replacement unit would be more money than the > entire machine itself. I have four of these units where I keep one > of them running neatly. I think I have half a dozen more somewhere > in the back of a warehouse in Toronto. Back in 2010 ( or earlier ) > they were fantastic CPU powerhouse units running some math crunch > daemons that I wrote. Also, hard to believe but it was more cost > effective than running the big SPARC64 units that I had at the > same time. Ever tried to run Sun/Oracle M4000 or M5000 machines? > > In any case please drop me a line off-list and let's see if we can > figure out a way to get a workable unit into your hands. > > > -- > Dennis Clarke > RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC > UNIX and Linux spoken > GreyBeard and suspenders optional > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 17:11:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD614DF995 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com (mail-qk1-x72d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFcYF5r9Mz3r4p for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id 19so2473054qkm.8 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:11:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Zc305xovU+rvJ62/QbIPz2RM4NdNB7m/Pvfb/p1rYZ4=; b=fR46c1upPd3RbmMCC7Tv2qVrCCb4kx+6YLOYv4ycByEFa9jasXBUpy0wq2hznu4vau 0OexbxoCaJBqSrwQhypMP25eu5lZ71X1hP2UGv7PX6ypxyJwhKNLw8OqLfR4MDgY8aDn 9fFu29hbUsY1pvCzTWd0yDtYnJCJizri/Nq6Bb7XMb/gxCX/AYb/aMDozGjtTWT1+18K qMG8CzqiT+Ph4Ob4iXzsqseXoR2kPA6bPyUU4hAOS950oYdajbva/yWd8GaCF+ApyEms OXxVghDbf3/2bZqsxE9UMgdh7M+53wDrP1kkSc3su/VcKBeEv2y/P/cgpe1zMyW3QfXg 1TPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Zc305xovU+rvJ62/QbIPz2RM4NdNB7m/Pvfb/p1rYZ4=; b=YTXdBEO3z0LhrPLc00FAie21z2oyF+pQo3MqfureNOXrv1vn7/edpjHOBubBy/icxw fKWap7Uxv0rRdv2wKBso850G0SmWYRMNjf5bZZt9B04qO6Gg7/mz09QDzFgwpI1aoE3e 4wgTzpJP1hTc7iUWxcaN2nJY53lie+NPNl9RXCzRUyjCL+pjpup1rfVTAqHrRaVs5laY cXI7DnFXO3KCMqj3phLaS1toOko5Vc1KnPmOPSPGW9yWFRsV0+JiK6EUXnEu6pEq8DUW pmKBmiKLNzFm6QUxEgeFPn8r5lZiAxrpS4jrFTU+tHTO0s2MfTihazpm0yc50rcBJkNu xERQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531bqxPir+YCpVxqPkwfuoQKFHDELnxKEig4jgY1hANhN1PiPTYL fo+KbKjRqRfwqb8d6JIRsHryqTSphDFqy17OpUsdCIFjOKpEPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxIOgCP5Am2jVqfBo0YH8qzELhCMIOGUTwrrRE/2gnhNsTPNfCv0pA+jzCnecUTW828tb7WeAuw38EpSOeXHXc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a085:: with SMTP id j127mr251353qke.273.1610471472868; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:11:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e7648ee-d0ef-eaf6-1d6b-ee06564dc843@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Julio Merino Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:11:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strange graphics issues on G5 with NVIDIA 6600 To: Dennis Clarke Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFcYF5r9Mz3r4p X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=fR46c1up; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:11:14 -0000 On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:23 AM Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc < freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > I didn't put any serious effort into resolving the resolution issues, so > > it might be possible to get it working beyond 640x480. Or maybe there's > > another card that someone on this list can verify works well? > > > > Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install > on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of > them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not > much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein > the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in > the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug > the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to > ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not > seen a workable installer in at least a year. In my case, I wrote the memstick ppc64 image into an old 1GB USD drive I have, plugged that in, and booted with "boot ud:,\\:tbxi". From there, everything was flawless. From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 17:34:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26C14E0687 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFd475PHvz3t3P for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id c7so2592938qke.1 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UBuizQ8Nlt41a86mjYsRsAhTkxbfix7MLvmpEg9MT2w=; b=Aef3ULypCm4/kmw7vRvccTxaLS7cc+RJjxhwV6PvP6Jk89eRk2lLhOxjpJHN+3LSul 2IMB4LDkUa1zST9Ebh5AnABTy5P6XaBYSCRa24ltC1ePztOBxL11reRebxIhyxMjNuUT nlujX14E0TQ3Zo2fzokuLK+Ip56sPAykh7pkmHDj1L0QqtShGGjE+WCKoJ4LFrshLIAQ HudL/7jvbtLCQbfJ2QClWQrRDoE3xfSf3aPj2oTgrYEUySaMUyOjZq5IbtiSVtuCb6LU BE1VBlOy5HWhEyWBtIEXE/kyQnAvFuBKWJMQOsx73Sme/uOSPCrG7E36P/F2E/003o7k UivA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UBuizQ8Nlt41a86mjYsRsAhTkxbfix7MLvmpEg9MT2w=; b=S1AKf07Yy6Q3bdrA4VS8xheBkJ1nwfMWxPYlh5d8jfX0ACoZuljPepM0Wui34OVmWi 0hRvwanHybXFNnG7FzYvmZIY7kqAUNaEudw8PE1AeACFzgJnCFQy3l1ixas6zBgNfCo1 r4kn5bA6NxLUsHSx7I6eQuRkZkvFdg3qzH2c5HNB5CgHp0/3/2bC7ijhm9QszZ/NXDNG xBnGdN07OvHP9OrVDKkS+ja/zHU8ZDnazZEhT3ehFV9vMK7F8roinnp48j6R5WjVrtvC p4zpdAIPziro1VA91jn5Xk/41ViFiYOYz+5h2cayiApIrzunccAV/sR3YlBuG2xDQuKX 9tog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530+hr0ecmmjxq4nyINOgToLRAJdJ+BF42zoX7m9Wk+dIwnU3sR5 i6G7tgILUDeSWXG7nI9aT6PMSrm81nEkNKyfeEPlFw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzAzaNqBE/Yg9goOEGmnw0fH1oxhHiqkv5+B0/WVipkGDsdHLEQb0JIENYaduQYIEve/5B92u8xmq7CxCXD94U= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a085:: with SMTP id j127mr359550qke.273.1610472870270; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:34:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> In-Reply-To: <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> From: Julio Merino Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:34:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to To: Dennis Clarke Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFd475PHvz3t3P X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=Aef3ULyp; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::730 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::730:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::730:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::730:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:34:32 -0000 On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 8:43 AM Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc < freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> wrote: > The shipping cost of a replacement unit would be more money than the > entire machine itself. If "unit" here is a G5, I've recently had one shipped with FedEx Home across the USA for less than $50, which I found to be surprisingly cheap. Other delivery methods wanted $100+. I have no idea if any of these apply to you. -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 12 19:00:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D524E30EC for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic315-55.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic315-55.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.65.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFfzk5kPWz4WtX for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1610478048; bh=Cjv0WH2DiJY/2sTF4dXB3RPim2XY/nzznVIWhbcClq+=; h=Subject:From:Date:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=kQOtO+bjW0L7fgx9bg+OFHuz599GuDsbibd7oaNCbgwrqjfBteWunj5xvhlt79Ck3GZ4W1BiEQs0K57+dsuTQvkVmjBF4qhcfYyUSDSFdOF3onV2oJHoAz3FPYEAOIJsQg5JOnKWoRZwBlhYP+R0XAUL/tG1CUo6NUiCpHTjrnLy6/Sq/jtQhRlkBLH7GlD5i/cVkp5plfTABW6tGjA7ohaQ42Ko3csTE9GZVjY78i3A+8N44EfX6+BMbnPb/1q0/zmhqqWcFX9CAcbzSppX3ZlCus6jp2q5jpRkYoCNVlcLQN9PN3AA5EV2rtOH3TR+fqqSbmE0d0cBUcqic2wy6A== X-YMail-OSG: pCkB7sAVM1l0RLm..LrRdnQG7r5csIC5GzSxg6.6oOlsvAiRqawgJ5mAbQqsT8U 2OwVT9zxKyLrCJNaTl.bHyHBCN_3fTOV1nW1vzNxDgLpYupnjY3koK2pCshJSJQ5bl.MYFtUZSmy cNgBUzr4bca5EJG5rimtptLk11dOJReiCIUe88IDeg6oevymX2KxBMpLZpx3wzL9pMTDTxcU6nG2 NrcQTJHpollvPdJlJezpNur.2M90NXudCiVu9vR0krTdVyehSq1ucIAIW.lA.mb3detlRJsnWeOH 95pRPHV3Yf0yaQdF7Y6CbEQaTVXZoXXUX5Dq80Z3hpY1S3zk3a0SnkdzsBWnTkAphPK7a0sSOtrB 2GzYKTIFnzzS6RdgYhGbPJ9cI6qOTT3g2.OlqXozLPlfV5p7T4kR3B7N0CahjCu0dxk_zASpw6h0 gbfOIhIA0R8JvTC8gg_uHGvsn_fqh0wiKiQL3S1PkEFpBeiqpIuzo5sA5gme8QsxUX4orCzva5zC r2ywYnX3nVAZm0pZhTGQaZF4ugAADpDIaLql4C2dHg14Kx5sUy31b4P82a66cHSNhRKSxIAGK2ia 7eqKLEnlCAaRhpB.3Z9tHTdEr0Pq9r.ZYWWmEkgFFqg8NYyV9X32QQzN4z_IZYgyqrK8NXay2sm9 w55j95BFw2gm4TSKd_yddkzaKvA7Ew7H3SLDvvE7yIuJTphR2w19i531rth3dR5o2xVWqXNaa317 ZSUK0dju5V6duFHEsVckuD0lUNpo0WtEEkm37U4G9zJiSQWBbpxMSJ0aJ4VRj1VwAUcAMJ_QFaWp 0oSVL.yTkgXOOvK4MNv3Sfa6IiOMH_FsSWfOK.zLa.JbTJwP8NzsRM4YwVW_sIaW2n8PDMHDSkyK 1zu55Wyn8v6MAMj9y9TYubu13.IK8aeXPj80AIcENWtqMq_VMg9AumsJkOtuDul6hScdYYkTpANJ gmMq0i5uXPd.UtXNhQm6b5miFNWTqceqo6fJuoMPw_lnjehFXQdlZ5CuyAjg3xY6Ewi9SJTr32Kc nrLD5Xe6BQgxuIi.iRwU3anMiBgDeR9ktiKcZjSctAmylnOVHWKf6t5UPBEYZlu.PLDXFSTWVb0X NYxppfDoYbFV4DU.AFysrlhGJTjNXZ2HeJLXXwM6vvynxHJiksTuFaFa6ms2rYDv.SCWoON12ynQ LD25BC6VleQ9hybpRgo3fpqTQV1hhRXaZZyaIEAo68b318SRwzRF_aYkv6q8nwEaUPsRbgi9pKUM DxvnsDdDcKW0ptBIN47WgGUYimMMywFsijulczhK5j5fdRXaguxzD16yI8CjSC0R3UyetsxthQSU rCIFPSG7L.QL7_Oh_yqGOzpSFJEWpbMORz_u8C3P6LiUo36F3v24rodTGUJTIZBmLllg8b_CU3Kh qFQj1bMC8LdjWg_jHACp9CJmldDoha2PePx.1lVV90TFJ580HzsgIw9a.ElPXP5cun5dDYtkwWme XyU7IBFGiIhXmOltHJEAModMRhrKOnJ0SRxx1xxFBLfWFFqBLkj9fV6mGG.LEXb3BXKm2Bh1P6gs hpNGVM3JzWDunUCIAHGls7m3gtIOwxwD8bRgAtg32F8ksiwEclDeHrTOCrlMzRmmFQHYd8n3MT2s 4F7h6GYJOEWM5CvaTAhT0CUhMCmJEzFWYOuNKvpSNCSiKlMori1IySMZST6s1yAwpndQjBb.OC7j K1korrk5yL027yyq7ZPXoPMdFdygCERo8WChDztLtaOd4odldaJSPd9tzFry4DJSiFaKoamtF3H7 Oo1c586FHIzLOhatpALp8gkmPrGKlZ_U3tf68MkXje96QWhmu7Xr4fiwog5hqKsW3NL8ZZRfC9d9 HhBZvyzdNhRvypmmsTxuxbV0NOAO1zSGqvxsBb.J_5kKXuDLfz21uPkrKODEZi6MxvJHbgKsBHvt 5fbWIOB5jVHtd0ID4OtaiqjiXvCAuslBFnt94TpEL2RoT6sIXwnlKYBg5l8OI.toELamm3iNrlzL yMH0xDfdxEwdTvbc5KtcySH3qPE..oGg6TbHlbHIHyeqYRUGZqXpat4sEKW8fTpc4wTyNyVxzONN H9OgmSuXVsAUNdWOvf_RpwCPeWLQWIaL3wX9U0xbxrmTQaTT437UFn5tSRgCbFwT6JMqMR2Puawd ehFEWJOnEI5WQ5cumAvzNGOONuNfvCg9azhCA7bBEIhPGWyuqqERxKBn1uj8DUgwG8zz11.1lLx8 gi6eNRo5m09Z.ZkYZQYwZ7UIQsSz7hAsHlDxzKmeWPwpZas4kyYmb0h4bYWlPtpnMj8lFlvNrKTk KV9TxPi5NU7v9e0jnAsmvcJZKxIgujKbW4yh49oZd0rJvwfOwV21ZhEM6fFi2ACpkSsAI5JUwtSA gngbD9jZqkLaLJZbimRCZaJ97HYMtuIjBUT5nDdQjlZbpMA5x096w7Uvn6xnPY9dP11cqpE8zszv VUOHrgAQ.HyQSXZp2J1FIx.Fw44azr7k- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; 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MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:00:52 -0000 On 2021-Jan-12, at 08:22, Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc wrote: > >>=20 >> I didn't put any serious effort into resolving the resolution issues, = so >> it might be possible to get it working beyond 640x480. Or maybe = there's >> another card that someone on this list can verify works well? >>=20 >=20 > Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install > on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of > them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not > much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein > the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in > the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug > the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to > ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not > seen a workable installer in at least a year. A possibility: Jason M. originally specified "iMac G5", so probably = 1-socket/1-core-each. A lot of the operational problems are likely associated with = multi-socket and/or multi-core, per the workarounds of making such systems only use = one cpu (in FreeBSD terms). I've never had access to a 1-socket/multi-core PowerMac so I do not know how those behave. I've also never had access to a 1-socket-/1-core-each G5: always 2 sockets for the G5s. 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Crossing an international border probably would not help in that respect. I'm in the Portland, Oregon, USA area. But I do think that for such PowerMacs to continue to have FreeBSD Tier 2 support for any significant time, Brandon Bergren or Justin Hibbits or Nathan Whitehorn or such would be the better target for the machine (unless they all refuse). If they all were to refuse, that itself would indicate a rather limited support, even relative to tier 2 status. Even if the high end G5's had not failed, I'd been worried about them (and other PowerMacs) staying viable, just from FreeBSD progressing beyond G5 support (and such). For example (common to G5/G4): WARNING: Device "openfirm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD = 13.0. I've not seen any evidence that anyone intends to work on avoiding those uses of the Giant lock. There is also, on some G4's that I have access to, WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD = 13.0. WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. Such warnings are from post-git builds. The "Code slush" started on 2021-Jan-08. stable/13 is scheduled to branch on 2021-Jan-22. > I have four of these units where I keep one > of them running neatly. I think I have half a dozen more somewhere > in the back of a warehouse in Toronto. Hmm. The international border issue would be involved if I was the receiver of such. > Back in 2010 ( or earlier ) > they were fantastic CPU powerhouse units running some math crunch > daemons that I wrote. Also, hard to believe but it was more cost > effective than running the big SPARC64 units that I had at the > same time. Ever tried to run Sun/Oracle M4000 or M5000 machines? No Sun/Oracle M4000 or M5000 machines. The only SPARC context was working someplace that used SPARCstations. (I do not remember model numbers or such.) > In any case please drop me a line off-list and let's see if we can > figure out a way to get a workable unit into your hands. I would encourage finding out if Nathan, Brandon, or Justin would accept a quad G5 first and go with that if one of them would accept one. (I've no clue how to pick if more than one said yes.) 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WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD = 13.0. There is also, using and example G4 that I have access to, WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD = 13.0. WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. There could be more than I'm reporting. Such warnings are from post-git-conversion builds that I've done (given the lack of artifacts.ci.freebsd.org materials to test with). The 13 "Code slush" started on 2021-Jan-08. stable/13 is scheduled to branch on 2021-Jan-22. What is the intended status for these old powerc64 and 32-bit powerpc machines, given that the Giant use still exists? Intended status for 13? For 14? (There may be other types of issues that I'm not thinking of as well.) Another that used to happen on both G5's and G4's that I have/had access to: WARNING: Device "powermac_nvram" is Giant locked and may be deleted = before FreeBSD 13.0. 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Or maybe there= 's >>> another card that someone on this list can verify works well? >>> >> Off topic slightly but exactly what and how did you even do an install= >> on this box? I have four of these units laying around wherein one of >> them is a workable unit with the so-called "quad" PPC64 config. Not >> much runs on them these days and that includes Debian Linux wherein >> the installer is slightly broken. Slightly. There just is not much in >> the way of resources alive and workingout there that cares to debug >> the multitude of issues we face with this architecture. So I have to >> ask you, what did you use to install FreeBSD on this unit? I have not >> seen a workable installer in at least a year. > A possibility: > > Jason M. originally specified "iMac G5", so probably 1-socket/1-core-ea= ch. > A lot of the operational problems are likely associated with multi-sock= et > and/or multi-core, per the workarounds of making such systems only use = one > cpu (in FreeBSD terms). > > I've never had access to a 1-socket/multi-core PowerMac so I do not kno= w > how those behave. I've also never had access to a 1-socket-/1-core-each= > G5: always 2 sockets for the G5s. But I do have access to such a G4 and= > even a G3. > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > ( dsl-only.net went > away in early 2018-Mar) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have both an iMac G5 and a PowerMacG5. The iMac mostly works fine, though there is no DRI so the GUI is a=20 little sluggish. The PowerMac has the fan issue and only 640x480 res.=C2=A0 If I recall it= was=20 using the vesa driver and I didn't spend time trying to improve it since = I run this system headless anyway. --=20 Earth is a beta site. 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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:14:42 -0800 References: <0951FC29-33B6-406C-A10C-F61B0BF2CD1C@yahoo.com> To: freebsd-ppc , Current FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <0951FC29-33B6-406C-A10C-F61B0BF2CD1C@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFmcn2ycQz4phK X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 23:14:50 -0000 On 2021-Jan-12, at 13:11, Mark Millard wrote: > PowerMac G5's and G4's with not much in them or connected to them = report: >=20 > WARNING: Device "openfirm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. > WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > There is also, using and example G4 that I have access to, >=20 > WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. > WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > There could be more than I'm reporting. Such warnings are from > post-git-conversion builds that I've done (given the lack of > artifacts.ci.freebsd.org materials to test with). >=20 > The 13 "Code slush" started on 2021-Jan-08. stable/13 is scheduled > to branch on 2021-Jan-22. >=20 > What is the intended status for these old powerc64 and 32-bit > powerpc machines, given that the Giant use still exists? Intended > status for 13? For 14? >=20 > (There may be other types of issues that I'm not thinking of > as well.) >=20 It turns out that the below was apparently dealt with in 13-CURRENT's -r362406 ( 37f530582dc5 ). > Another that used to happen on both G5's and G4's that I have/had > access to: >=20 > WARNING: Device "powermac_nvram" is Giant locked and may be deleted = before FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > I'm unsure if this one is modal in some way and it I happen to > be using a mode that avoided the usage. (I do not normally run an > unpatched FreeBSD on old PowerMacs as well.) >=20 powermac_nvram had its Giant lock use removed/replaced, no modal issue is involved. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Jan 13 18:37:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232614E507B for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no) Received: from SMTPOUT05.DKA.mailcore.net (smtpout05.dka.mailcore.net [81.7.169.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtpout05.dka.mailcore.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DGGQ80Vvsz3LBJ for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no) Received: from SMTP.DKA.mailcore.net (DKA-SMTP01.mailcore.local [10.1.0.51]) by SMTPGW.DKA.mailcore.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7994293B for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:37:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=webmail.no; s=mailcore; t=1610563031; bh=g3C+F4EmeeDSXYfUSOcUI+NhQpUh/OIiX8OtRTAkdHo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=lkHBbsx76jtKTWAO0oH2x8bpckSepB1CJkcCRUeULQ57YL47l6uHzpIonWZki42/7 hN2qfyQsXAjbixkRzTjWS+sVWS7e2N4bRpi138G6ps1k/tNni02/yJVZa58m0PqRz1 zJWEenQJdNjzD/4bJxTNxC1PpnYe+OxVa5hW1SYDoY5zI7x9eFbeGkFXlMiYF3Y9vb NQomQ+lE+T0XmVtZqkLFjBsqBBcAeV+ulrN7pAHyCNVxjd/JrMriRzk6HMEpt35rbx 1udxDmodN2fljdiO41ffNGeLjXas31cEUNkQM/AMkOXiF5esbNXZwwub6QzpRO0842 FVpr1ZOkn6TdQ== Received: from kg-core2.kg4.no (unknown [178.74.2.42]) by SMTP.DKA.mailcore.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD043400AC for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:37:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:37:11 +0100 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to Message-Id: <20210113193711.1d4e08ebe3a365d1f5c80349@getmail.no> In-Reply-To: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA.ref@yahoo.com> <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DGGQ80Vvsz3LBJ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=webmail.no header.s=mailcore header.b=lkHBbsx7; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no designates 81.7.169.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=torfinn.ingolfsen@getmail.no X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[81.7.169.178:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[81.7.169.178:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[getmail.no]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.7.169.128/25]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[webmail.no:~]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[webmail.no:s=mailcore]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16095, ipnet:81.7.128.0/18, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:37:21 -0000 On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:42:09 -0800 Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: > The last of the 4-core PowerMac G5s that I have access to now shuts > down for "CPU B0 DIODE TEMP" that "exceeds critical temperature > (90.0 C)" when I try to rebuild/update ports or such. The other > 4-core G5 failed for such reasons in similar contexts a few months > ago.,Interestingly, the two G5s have very different liquid cooling > systems despite the similar time frame for the failures. For conventional (ie. non-liquid cooling) systems it often helps to take off the coolers, remove old thermal paste, and apply new paste. I haven't done this on a liquid-cooled G5, so I don't know how easy or hard it is. If one is inclined to tinker with hardware. -- Torfinn Ingolfsen From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Jan 13 19:00:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C864E546F for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DGGxQ4TCQz3MCt for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86CBB2AF1B for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B86227C0054 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap1 ([10.202.2.51]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:00:57 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedukedrtdefgdduudelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgfrhhlucfvnfffucdluddtmdenucfjughrpefofg ggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfuehrrghnughonhcuuegv rhhgrhgvnhdfuceosggurhgrghhonheshfhrvggvuefuffdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepjefhfedtuddtleegkeegtdegjeekffdvjedttdehgffgveeugffgfeelvdeg hffgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepsg gurhgrghhonhdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidquddtgedvfeeh keeigedqudekuddtkeehuddqsggurhgrghhonheppefhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgsehimh grphdrtggt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id B2253C204FB; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:00:56 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-45-g4839256-fm-20210104.001-g48392560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <23f4e650-d731-4258-aef6-f770599c3c53@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2AC6FB10-A6D9-4B5B-9615-617E0FC60987@yahoo.com> References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> <2AC6FB10-A6D9-4B5B-9615-617E0FC60987@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:00:31 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Heat-death_of_the_last_of_the_2-socket/2-cores-each_PowerM?= =?UTF-8?Q?ac_G5s_that_I_have_access_to?= Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:00:58 -0000 On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: > WARNING: Device "openfirm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before > FreeBSD 13.0. I am planning on getting around to this one at some point. > WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD > 13.0. This one isn't just powerpc, I don't believe. > I've not seen any evidence that anyone intends to work on > avoiding those uses of the Giant lock. There is also, on some > G4's that I have access to, > > WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before FreeBSD > 13.0. There is some pressure to remove AGP entirely and rely on PCI mappings instead (which are slower IIRC but may possibly still have decent performance with modern object management techniques that the drivers have. Will need testing.) AGP is kind of a weird case because of what it is and how it works, and how it interacts with everything else. > WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before > FreeBSD 13.0. Might need to migrate some bits over to vt at some point. -- Brandon Bergren bdragon@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Jan 13 19:40:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363704E63DB for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DGHqS6XBCz3PXn for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1610566851; bh=skPBFKm2PWOFox0bumk/M5ETpwhkBMsCgoWz0PRdW72=; h=Subject:From:Date:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=CuzPtxFoGtPAuoqV0HMKXfJqMFqaS1T/IdhivvxCqunU63EyGyWktiUJf3j4dWP8TjTRcmlfhkSN4+G4xggWoCdmT92xy2wJg7VTxHVn/bDebfTzpMnnKn72Tk6wp6wCdUxrkP+5MSvCPJi8FViloHfGV5IB5XopqlgMm4YdND1V4yXMg3cD25+vMdfrHMPbHUaBxYCZH9SBBCRgE8OZDSqYvORzkt9AxZrENqhjqLQiXFt9WGEcNvSvkizeZy2zMMWH6/MS9q76iPZ/jOmJc36uDThOufgwTYhGaLP0JLG2WK44p9xo2foW0GH6OqKEDQukV7GCwFjiWBd76tgrBA== X-YMail-OSG: zrcc1rIVM1ng3ZPQVr66IBHra8bX44S6wyzJH1BEd400todMYd7P3lyYC_ND_VZ IbhvpLu4E10oh9QbeY7lhdiJ3krKzV0LEAVdqrLzaHNWi_zAtD5IEAaXb0pQEYle9sJjWi5j5s0H iHBJetyqLNz47Yq59XSWU2m4TiIutDDFAoWPuL1IsfEFqvgkUZnBA25rPMlutmGqNs5K3fY4zL7_ BjdZaTWffiGnx7XS1QkruBK26jCFB8nkYeq65ZM18N8UE6z.BrJ_YSa8yE8AHSaCCUshXnCP5LAx sLxOZni22wmvtC_0_Vht1RJQ9qLjfo4su8ee6JPL5kP9HTq_MyjujoL92Sh48XL80obxmXAiqewv GFT0zw8qdsunKWXsSMN5Yo1_S3_Fokc2TwGA4PhOG17cPh5KzcdgEazwAj85pO9Lpq9F7Ws_kLVu eBUtR7Z7GtUlBLSOuwqMa1DXs_Wfkwe9F2.4MClTK5evWm1ET_lvLMpwgteY5Xrxc9SYCxtmkDEZ D0RNAhR3U4JVF0gZ04yWth2LJmMVwAM9aLYvZM3d1C_69dyaJmmD2ttI6KNoISM26oFjzpoC8VD8 rhXE3ZvP_X8GAQW5yVk5grauvTlSCZ_R6sMvYxNMi1mJ4CfZN0SDTMU0hg7Mz0hzllKND7H4i_b_ XKAUYZWMhUPU2pS_U87MEFv82gJPNT8gp4lH5eBUcb_4rPKva0riCosVHhUOSrQc_DuKVg.k5IWi io7PE_GQ6YGFqQnNArrSK9faBbA4XCeJTZRyYU_ApQInIM8HpbNgVIXz11EXFT_KtHs8Vc08aApN 7mOeRk_k3RXPIZpKCHXDrZDeYOO82_mT9Vgm8IHkE40A8Z4VnOLz0M86IGsgHJ4SBry24.wdZJW5 _IxM9RAgAW4hrd2qyM3hVTZAlqzVrGP5N0Pcrdqx69aBSL4AEe0Q8K8mxCoaxAckxtAnL3mjf7Z4 Ig7MfR9x5dCtlGnKXHlhwIQc9RoC3hMAGWBTSQ2zwIivVrAmfUyeOoZ7RAEwHOFnwPwgShdIcT5p oiZVSL3ZPpbvmafnK8gdtF4TXO4dUJ5kheB1RDrEDpSXhJTDjQ_sEZU3kgfZPept8Lu.Q3SlqS2u q4hAlSf2N0.1eJ4i1FzypL_O53owvvMJERu5_86uQeHKTaODiWyVA9SHOQx353PJVJWVJvTpGTEL tEQYsYJNYKL8KkqSMGO9Ry7T707T5mZubRcat0w6hsELQSIWDaBfGmHzCMs9YgcBljupNAj01xGn VounTgktFUTm90UvaDlSvJoaS_D8lVzFa8MLHjkfFubvIGHhRB0BrVV9IasCQM9iaSHz0QSZ95Mb 5KGzWQnnADfraZdnl7j8nkEdjdTDTWEVHTh1Jb0qOnmWpRlczPzoXv.F19rl0PRIy2.Mj8WR93Od bkA0Ov7xVrcY2L6BczVoudtZH61EXFvcK5JI4USLxYXPyTyaCnbksQNKbMgpvbUXyoxYQZsjAKIj QzF5V011qZYBHqVjafUNtxZc_tzX1dFB72c7uvKpuqyDyiQGYadIt5nNLV8CuxjImviEOiNWdvSC ZTP44JJspdfKefUeRKY02SeBWY4k3ZbVKts4We4gYJK.T7CefWLIRJcjwBVEP4ycwDGQqAf5PCqP 2TRxTN0BQDpfnfLm3jFD85ZnwpVnDY8eiTdxt.jlB1qku5PaJyGr3r3r3Q3fOoXl_3QaHGeCmOhu hvx3BmpLkQ2QRbvXCCZ0Nzwj4Kx9AT8AVGW9og3O4r3pBohwyW4yFPvE6LHkS2gmGTJQNgvfwrX. frUgYaohbfgnd3I9oxkWi_37xkigxkXXJEl1akHkbzqA1PI0fgLpSCHeckwT1anC6NhqDdVLFt2y Ck4knMjfDflprYzgUmeXAZxyLr0EhiekeyKNUPtVxIVo3KRnzl9RmnbpxCRFvAVMb2B.TgcEZifg SoxWgfFbWc9wxH1ikaG.S3DqcUojGdm4ed6x0g7THYxviIIjSuOGkmMgjtj_LczpPjfjeuHWvl7E x1swAt6OakGbwr0jAjcIaEUmeOdB0y5uQ69kscEaUp78gByuLpmo9b74k_fQX38Zp5ovI_Jh0qsR onpPtOFHPRtkitLAwH5gbZPWWTK4q80_CsLNibxTUl5W0hHrqlbnD5.y94vJiQ.zyXEScEJJLoeC 4.TAOVNTqQpmQ80yV0M2zy.hK4N69219.0ey4wmuEOMHsuBy2JNnm9u5DGswKRwa4QDQujexmFly 5CMlIQ_qfSiSGaoy_msibzNeUc63LHpXvhE0SJzmJvc6LM8b6JDo66xDL5yJt5Cf6f.OKwnnHZFj l1.tTRDrVka6S6LY8XqYQjns2rbJIrRxtisBGI2c4a_e8SmEw0Lj45S8JjyQJW1Ig6mSy61KX.YA vw5vdfOVt1HwCCtzjwAb0bg4.uYk_LnetCtWoQ2.GgHhGaGc4jncFYU5MQeCEtc.5sUdlk6Ej6pO GKvWMYjWinKiEV1X9RzQBP5JPcnItNmprkv22WqVU9.5RI1sSO1QjeDDb8VzMPvGRZCSOd12jm9D Vs8H4rYJLvtyyHVw53A_o89094k5. Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:40:51 +0000 Received: by smtp413.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5e97c2b3c04fbe08a4a3b745fa048a37; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.40.0.2.32\)) Subject: Re: Heat-death of the last of the 2-socket/2-cores-each PowerMac G5s that I have access to From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <23f4e650-d731-4258-aef6-f770599c3c53@www.fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:40:44 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67F2E4D4-7DEA-4F7C-8155-47C0AF4EDD86@yahoo.com> References: <27E8A3B1-7278-464E-A284-0B294337B3DA@yahoo.com> <563ef275-97b0-3026-1073-ff715c9cecd7@blastwave.org> <2AC6FB10-A6D9-4B5B-9615-617E0FC60987@yahoo.com> <23f4e650-d731-4258-aef6-f770599c3c53@www.fastmail.com> To: Brandon Bergren X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DGHqS6XBCz3PXn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 19:40:53 -0000 On 2021-Jan-13, at 11:00, Brandon Bergren = wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: >> WARNING: Device "openfirm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before=20= >> FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > I am planning on getting around to this one at some point. Good to know. >> WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD=20 >> 13.0. >=20 > This one isn't just powerpc, I don't believe. Okay. I do not remember seeing the notice for the amd64, aaarch64, or = armv7 example systems that I have access to. (But I've not rechecked to = confirm.) >> I've not seen any evidence that anyone intends to work on >> avoiding those uses of the Giant lock. There is also, on some >> G4's that I have access to, >>=20 >> WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD=20 >> 13.0. >=20 > There is some pressure to remove AGP entirely and rely on PCI mappings = instead (which are slower IIRC but may possibly still have decent = performance with modern object management techniques that the drivers = have. Will need testing.) >=20 > AGP is kind of a weird case because of what it is and how it works, = and how it interacts with everything else. Interesting. >> WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted = before=20 >> FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > Might need to migrate some bits over to vt at some point. >=20 FYI for vt vs sc: My memory is that the 2-socket/1-core-each G5 that I have access to dies a very early boot-failure for vt and I have to use sc on it. (It is possible I've got things backwards. I've not validated the status in some time, using things just in the working form.) As I remember there used to be some other G5/video card combination were I also had the reverse for what failed vs what worked, although the boot-failure details were different if I remember right. (Much larger pixel-count display involved in the boot-failure case?) Given the slush and the scheduled stable/13 branch in a little over a week, I did not know if Giant dependency was a "support stops here" type of issue for 13 or not. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Jan 13 22:35:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B74EA2F8 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic304-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.68.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DGMj867Wrz3s6D for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:35:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:35:42 -0000 I attempted moving the media I use with the 2-socket/2-cores-each G5 into the 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 that I have access to. It silently hangs up almost immediately after the loader's timeout prompt is "returned to" (or finishes the timeout). This happened for both vt and sc for kern.vty . An older system that still boots (with an oddity) with is as follows, also showing some about the type of machine: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue Sep 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc FreeBSD clang version 11.0.0 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git = llvmorg-11.0.0-rc2-91-g6e042866c30) VT(ofwfb): resolution 1680x1050 cpu0: IBM PowerPC 970 revision 2.2, 2000.20 MHz cpu0: Features dc000000 cpu0: HID0 511081 model: 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 00=20 'PowerMac7,2' cpu-version: 00 39 02 02=20 model: 41 70 70 6c 65 20 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 20 35 2e=20 31 2e 34 66 30 20 42 6f 6f 74 52 4f 4d 20 62 75 69 6c 74 20=20 6f 6e 20 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31=20 3a 34 38 00=20 'Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.4f0 BootROM built on 11/21/03 at 17:41' ':48' BootROM-version: 24 30 30 30 35 2e 31 34 66 30 00=20 '$0005.14f0' BootROM-build-date: 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31 3a 34 38=20 00=20 '11/21/03 at 17:41:48' # uname -apKU FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue Sep = 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 1300115 1300115 The above has my normal patches involved and is a non-debug build. The oddity in this boot is that the following sequence happens each time: . . . ada0 at ata2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device ada0: Serial Number **REPLACED** ada0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, PIO 512bytes) ada0: 457862MB (937703088 512 byte sectors) cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device cd0: Serial Number **REPLACED** cd0: 66.700MB/s transfers (UDMA4, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2; retrying = for 10 more seconds Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2. Loader variables: vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs vfs.root.mountfrom.options=3Drw,noatime Manual root filesystem specification: : [options] Mount using filesystem and with the specified (optional) option list. eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a zfs:zroot/ROOT/default cd9660:/dev/cd0 ro (which is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/cd0 /) ? List valid disk boot devices . Yield 1 second (for background tasks) Abort manual input mountroot>=20 List of GEOM managed disk devices: label/FBSDG5LBswap ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs cd0 ada0s4 ada0s3 ada0s2 ada0 mountroot> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs []... lo0: link state changed to UP gem0: link state changed to DOWN gem0: link state changed to UP . . . (Despite what is shown, I did type "ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs".) The early-fail media is based on main's 19cca0b9613d (but with my = patches involved): # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src 19cca0b9613d7c3058e41baf0204245119732235 CommitDate: 2021-01-09 16:21:33 -0800 5d333ee67ac3 19cca0b9613d (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT = mm-src-c255807-g5d333ee67ac3 GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 = 1300134 1300134 This media boots the 2-socket/2-cores-each G5 just fine. I tried the artifacts.ci.freebsd.org r368820 powerpc64 debug=20 kernel with the r365932 world and it does not have the same early-fail problem, but it hangs later, after (last message): cryptosoft0: on nexus0 Unfortunately, git's main still has no artifact materials after r368820 so there are no official/ready-made materials to approximately bisect with in order to identify when the early-fail started. r368820 did not have distinctions based on vt vs. sc. So it looks like I was just out of date for the status of that on the PowerMac7,2 system, not having tested it in so long: it got far beyond where it used to stop. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Jan 14 05:33:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DCF4D5778 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 05:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DGXz011mrz4pFG for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 05:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id w79so5817044qkb.5 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 21:33:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lZbOBuWPjj+g4CeZJx6zz25pjL+/96LX2YaAC7uTcBw=; b=U2v1pDc9FidvYqAtc3qMtwH7sjcRHwpYS+vHnwqTdQAykvXXVDw3Q/s2LfNQ+Ck3y6 xrEZ0/KIHVfolqhNh+4B531LtE+EBvuzB+GJWiIKUz0bx9vFAQ4b1bjuL1hs2A1eDxmu 8DljiHzjUApJSz9t98HRmlhKAb9fCcAw8JBrZXFi801i4ODmn1lYcjCbh3tDyEzVXgpj 8qFivIX8M75HUEoKDiyUXw9/ToDCR47SjuWcV92DwBRgy91spAaHceYP/01YZzcLpVgF FjmWkjhOSJyfcDAhh+MRO7U6ardcTliawySe8dtwkJlkVLWTmxRGEel1qKcFMl/lt2YF pi6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lZbOBuWPjj+g4CeZJx6zz25pjL+/96LX2YaAC7uTcBw=; b=Vop6GQUk6GdHren57zvYkTiSyibIBN7RV8ejsTXxtpK1NJ+r5CPQIoskB/S259rTiW qiCfXLbxzjU42o4tl9bfNy/Zs0xN17eqFJ2I49bzxBXhe/oTWI6Ir6wKJNIqHNlQ3zTG UV130pB8/2PqP/FlqQeYp1O+llERgHP5Ti+CIiw3jwwcWjmV5pV1CNwWzyAjm5BQUxoE yB1hXzx6tH27TSzkt+PWR2xIFjjwupYdflQHCBeAvH1pukClEC/OjOpQEBUZJbThLz8I xsu4Pp5Gsxz4E03/DZYlMkxh1CNMPtjRQXLaSaxlT3/7luHE6P9CqdSVaIAj80P1ArXM VgJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5325plpA3jDODj1j1xT2QP87CLrKV+bf4AsukJGM8GQKaaRTWK25 4jgV5ohN1Yw3t7ERctvR4V3PYBeTaVYsiiMVuGqNbSU67HF0psIF X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx1uubhQxZp83JjA+PNiwr4E6vLIpfihGlHx5wATY4O36SXW/Rbk4DbKA3K4adRKw1/emARwib0qhT4T2nOkSc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a085:: with SMTP id j127mr5499112qke.273.1610602394656; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 21:33:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Julio Merino Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 21:33:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Getting "objcopy: unsupported e_type" after buildworld To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DGXz011mrz4pFG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=U2v1pDc9; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.991]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 05:33:17 -0000 Hi! On the PowerMac G5 I have, I first installed 12.1-RELEASE (ppc64) as found on the website. Now, I just went ahead and built the world from a Git checkout of the stable/12 branch (at commit 49038d1723a9d45e064f482d510230ed5395b675). The whole process went smoothly and I was able to upgrade to 12.2-STABLE just fine. However... on a second attempt to clean-build the world after the upgrade, I'm getting the following very early on in the process: ===> kerberos5/tools/make-roken (obj,all,install) objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=make-roken.debug make-roken.full make-roken objcopy: unsupported e_type *** [make-roken] Error code 1 Any thoughts? 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It > silently hangs up almost immediately after the loader's timeout > prompt is "returned to" (or finishes the timeout). This happened > for both vt and sc for kern.vty . >=20 > An older system that still boots (with an oddity) with is as > follows, also showing some about the type of machine: >=20 > FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue Sep 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 > = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc > FreeBSD clang version 11.0.0 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git = llvmorg-11.0.0-rc2-91-g6e042866c30) > VT(ofwfb): resolution 1680x1050 > cpu0: IBM PowerPC 970 revision 2.2, 2000.20 MHz > cpu0: Features dc000000 > cpu0: HID0 511081 >=20 > model: > 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 00=20 > 'PowerMac7,2' >=20 > cpu-version: > 00 39 02 02=20 >=20 > model: > 41 70 70 6c 65 20 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 20 35 2e=20 > 31 2e 34 66 30 20 42 6f 6f 74 52 4f 4d 20 62 75 69 6c 74 20=20 > 6f 6e 20 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31=20 > 3a 34 38 00=20 > 'Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.4f0 BootROM built on 11/21/03 at 17:41' > ':48' > BootROM-version: > 24 30 30 30 35 2e 31 34 66 30 00=20 > '$0005.14f0' > BootROM-build-date: > 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31 3a 34 38=20 > 00=20 > '11/21/03 at 17:41:48' >=20 > # uname -apKU > FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue = Sep 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 1300115 1300115 >=20 > The above has my normal patches involved and is a non-debug > build. >=20 > The oddity in this boot is that the following sequence > happens each time: >=20 > . . . > ada0 at ata2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 > ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device > ada0: Serial Number **REPLACED** > ada0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, PIO 512bytes) > ada0: 457862MB (937703088 512 byte sectors) > cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device > cd0: Serial Number **REPLACED** > cd0: 66.700MB/s transfers (UDMA4, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) > cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not = present > Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2; = retrying for 10 more seconds > Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2. >=20 > Loader variables: > vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs > vfs.root.mountfrom.options=3Drw,noatime >=20 > Manual root filesystem specification: > : [options] > Mount using filesystem > and with the specified (optional) option list. >=20 > eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a > zfs:zroot/ROOT/default > cd9660:/dev/cd0 ro > (which is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/cd0 /) >=20 > ? List valid disk boot devices > . Yield 1 second (for background tasks) > Abort manual input >=20 > mountroot>=20 > List of GEOM managed disk devices: > label/FBSDG5LBswap ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs cd0 ada0s4 ada0s3 ada0s2 ada0 >=20 > mountroot> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs []... > lo0: link state changed to UP > gem0: link state changed to DOWN > gem0: link state changed to UP > . . . >=20 > (Despite what is shown, I did type "ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs".) >=20 >=20 > The early-fail media is based on main's 19cca0b9613d (but with my = patches > involved): >=20 > # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src > 19cca0b9613d7c3058e41baf0204245119732235 > CommitDate: 2021-01-09 16:21:33 -0800 > 5d333ee67ac3 19cca0b9613d (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. > FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT = mm-src-c255807-g5d333ee67ac3 GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 = 1300134 1300134 >=20 > This media boots the 2-socket/2-cores-each G5 just fine. >=20 >=20 > I tried the artifacts.ci.freebsd.org r368820 powerpc64 debug=20 > kernel with the r365932 world and it does not have the same > early-fail problem, but it hangs later, after (last message): >=20 > cryptosoft0: on nexus0 >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, git's main still has no artifact materials after > r368820 so there are no official/ready-made materials to > approximately bisect with in order to identify when the early-fail > started. >=20 > r368820 did not have distinctions based on vt vs. sc. So it > looks like I was just out of date for the status of that on > the PowerMac7,2 system, not having tested it in so long: it > got far beyond where it used to stop. I've now tried the kernel in (the first 13.0-ALPHA1 there): = https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/powerpc/powerpc64/13.0-ALPHA1/k= ernel.txz and it stops on the 2-socket/1-core-each G5 after the same type of message that the earlier reports above did: Kernel entry at 0x100580 ... So this is a very early failure. This debug kernel gets much farther on the 2-socket/2-cores-each G5 but runs into what I'd guess are mismatched time issues for sleeping and such after (boot -v style boot): smu0: providing initial system time start_init: trying /sbin/init It seems to take a stab at corrupting the boot ufs file system if one waits long enough for something more to be displayed and /sbin/init eventually dies. fsck_ffs seemed to fix it okay. (Note: It is the same media, moved between machines.) =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Jan 15 01:45:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5B4D493F for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 01:45:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x82f.google.com (mail-qt1-x82f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DH3sn1Dn9z3lsq for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 01:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x82f.google.com with SMTP id 2so5042184qtt.10 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:45:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BCjAYuXG8k7M2HVIzSwS+xI2plTbFGjUSpQu1qH7AoQ=; b=QPFuT5/OUHP8IFZwUI3nwZ/9pwHkVp8UYRBteYy+EgaXmbvFGtaR0k1nPJerx2Ro0D ANO/B2/MOb+uKJf6xSRMjCMR9yCnNimf4q+cmO/dEn2kH7J0bGkikleAaMIYhdomfVQ6 PZji8jT4mHmQezoN+AnntJaLU89TTJq1iZhCiqHM9dLkS0XuDSBzRLQSgznFJSF9W3pF fkWUHdAVN3DGBy6OjwQbwt6yG0jC3dyw7JCVPO8b/8cwAX9oKwz2IIVjlJvMdIPxS3dg Rl5hbcNMnIGjlx/CD/bbY0uCd1aQrpY/RBHLo31LVt712BUlUbwtE3HEiF+D0pBl9cus UF/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BCjAYuXG8k7M2HVIzSwS+xI2plTbFGjUSpQu1qH7AoQ=; b=ZsYqhlSkW+1YBoi1LT2MkdvC6TqwOnyhERFfaffWfRlkKug/uUo725q9tu++uAGN0g Wh035ft3CzmbWK9o+NWROIfg/qM5NqbPbAOJxbVdjxWoyAD/hFgCbKFsAltdmmkaNlrm x0BpFc9OhUzCr4PoqTVU5q43t5FS/tleb86Md9YygpRtS4o93I8DHcfO3pBvek/J8CvD a2TrdmZy89+2dSRqgcG8n4TZ9CaYra5mNsVaXP6GKe3K3b/1nhmQ8dCrH1GajV7tAlvz AOxqMSNOgqLKLosvvGP8xGJJeXxig5wYo98CQi7Cvk27m6SPnsTNdMUI9vgUbeVEF1c7 8yiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Wm9MV9w4W6ROcJ/TQzK3PwYir/ekxVMBYanGlJi39WdNzGkYN frUuko+B3SVmduxFkBYBAm8BlvaFkdpI7VWj8a9fWYGn+tGWSmiK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx86rdmnYBWPCWec17mdX4/ZPdDamnSCD7Mzr+pGoT8B5p+Qq/2dBBKnPnq6AlidZzQQOjRsixuFuWumIbkHxk= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3417:: with SMTP id u23mr9868073qtb.80.1610675131821; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:45:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Julio Merino Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:45:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Getting "objcopy: unsupported e_type" after buildworld To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DH3sn1Dn9z3lsq X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=QPFuT5/O; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.989]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 01:45:33 -0000 Huh. I just encountered more breakage: g5:~> pkg info pkg: failed to get the note section pkg: failed to get the note section pkg: Unable to determine ABI pkg: Cannot parse configuration file! Something seems to be very wrong after this buildworld/installworld upgrade... On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:33 PM Julio Merino wrote: > Hi! > > On the PowerMac G5 I have, I first installed 12.1-RELEASE (ppc64) as found > on the website. > > Now, I just went ahead and built the world from a Git checkout of the > stable/12 branch (at commit 49038d1723a9d45e064f482d510230ed5395b675). The > whole process went smoothly and I was able to upgrade to 12.2-STABLE just > fine. > > However... on a second attempt to clean-build the world after the upgrade, > I'm getting the following very early on in the process: > > ===> kerberos5/tools/make-roken (obj,all,install) > objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=make-roken.debug > make-roken.full make-roken > objcopy: unsupported e_type > *** [make-roken] Error code 1 > > Any thoughts? > > Thank you > > -- > jmmv.dev > -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Jan 15 06:51:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B60A4DA381 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 06:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic303-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic303-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DHBfC0f0pz4VPr for ; 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It >> silently hangs up almost immediately after the loader's timeout >> prompt is "returned to" (or finishes the timeout). This happened >> for both vt and sc for kern.vty . >>=20 >> An older system that still boots (with an oddity) with is as >> follows, also showing some about the type of machine: >>=20 >> FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue Sep 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 >> = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc >> FreeBSD clang version 11.0.0 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git = llvmorg-11.0.0-rc2-91-g6e042866c30) >> VT(ofwfb): resolution 1680x1050 >> cpu0: IBM PowerPC 970 revision 2.2, 2000.20 MHz >> cpu0: Features dc000000 >> cpu0: HID0 511081 >>=20 >> model: >> 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 00=20 >> 'PowerMac7,2' >>=20 >> cpu-version: >> 00 39 02 02=20 >>=20 >> model: >> 41 70 70 6c 65 20 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 37 2c 32 20 35 2e=20 >> 31 2e 34 66 30 20 42 6f 6f 74 52 4f 4d 20 62 75 69 6c 74 20=20 >> 6f 6e 20 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31=20 >> 3a 34 38 00=20 >> 'Apple PowerMac7,2 5.1.4f0 BootROM built on 11/21/03 at 17:41' >> ':48' >> BootROM-version: >> 24 30 30 30 35 2e 31 34 66 30 00=20 >> '$0005.14f0' >> BootROM-build-date: >> 31 31 2f 32 31 2f 30 33 20 61 74 20 31 37 3a 34 31 3a 34 38=20 >> 00=20 >> '11/21/03 at 17:41:48' >>=20 >> # uname -apKU >> FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #18 r365932M: Tue = Sep 22 13:46:46 PDT 2020 = root@FBSDFHUGE:/usr/obj/powerpc64vtsc_clang/powerpc.powerpc64/usr/src/powe= rpc.powerpc64/sys/GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 1300115 1300115 >>=20 >> The above has my normal patches involved and is a non-debug >> build. >>=20 >> The oddity in this boot is that the following sequence >> happens each time: >>=20 >> . . . >> ada0 at ata2 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 >> ada0: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device >> ada0: Serial Number **REPLACED** >> ada0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, PIO 512bytes) >> ada0: 457862MB (937703088 512 byte sectors) >> cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 >> cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI device >> cd0: Serial Number **REPLACED** >> cd0: 66.700MB/s transfers (UDMA4, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) >> cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not = present >> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2; = retrying for 10 more seconds >> Mounting from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs failed with error 2. >>=20 >> Loader variables: >> vfs.root.mountfrom=3Dufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5L2rootfs >> vfs.root.mountfrom.options=3Drw,noatime >>=20 >> Manual root filesystem specification: >> : [options] >> Mount using filesystem >> and with the specified (optional) option list. >>=20 >> eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a >> zfs:zroot/ROOT/default >> cd9660:/dev/cd0 ro >> (which is equivalent to: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/cd0 /) >>=20 >> ? List valid disk boot devices >> . Yield 1 second (for background tasks) >> Abort manual input >>=20 >> mountroot>=20 >> List of GEOM managed disk devices: >> label/FBSDG5LBswap ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs cd0 ada0s4 ada0s3 ada0s2 ada0 >>=20 >> mountroot> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs = []... >> lo0: link state changed to UP >> gem0: link state changed to DOWN >> gem0: link state changed to UP >> . . . >>=20 >> (Despite what is shown, I did type "ufs:/dev/ufs/FBSDG5LBrootfs".) >>=20 >>=20 >> The early-fail media is based on main's 19cca0b9613d (but with my = patches >> involved): >>=20 >> # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src >> 19cca0b9613d7c3058e41baf0204245119732235 >> CommitDate: 2021-01-09 16:21:33 -0800 >> 5d333ee67ac3 19cca0b9613d (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. >> FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT = mm-src-c255807-g5d333ee67ac3 GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG powerpc powerpc64 = 1300134 1300134 >>=20 >> This media boots the 2-socket/2-cores-each G5 just fine. >>=20 >>=20 >> I tried the artifacts.ci.freebsd.org r368820 powerpc64 debug=20 >> kernel with the r365932 world and it does not have the same >> early-fail problem, but it hangs later, after (last message): >>=20 >> cryptosoft0: on nexus0 >>=20 >>=20 >> Unfortunately, git's main still has no artifact materials after >> r368820 so there are no official/ready-made materials to >> approximately bisect with in order to identify when the early-fail >> started. >>=20 >> r368820 did not have distinctions based on vt vs. sc. So it >> looks like I was just out of date for the status of that on >> the PowerMac7,2 system, not having tested it in so long: it >> got far beyond where it used to stop. >=20 > I've now tried the kernel in (the first 13.0-ALPHA1 there): >=20 > = https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/powerpc/powerpc64/13.0-ALPHA1/k= ernel.txz >=20 > and it stops on the 2-socket/1-core-each G5 after the > same type of message that the earlier reports above did: >=20 > Kernel entry at 0x100580 ... >=20 > So this is a very early failure. >=20 > This debug kernel gets much farther on the 2-socket/2-cores-each > G5 but runs into what I'd guess are mismatched time issues for > sleeping and such after (boot -v style boot): >=20 > smu0: providing initial system time > start_init: trying /sbin/init >=20 > It seems to take a stab at corrupting the boot ufs file > system if one waits long enough for something more to > be displayed and /sbin/init eventually dies. fsck_ffs > seemed to fix it okay. >=20 > (Note: It is the same media, moved between machines.) >=20 When I cross-build a 3cc0c0d66a06 kernel ( so: r368820 ), even without any patches, and I use it in the 2-socket/1-core-each G5, I get the very early failure. I've not found a controlling distinction with the artifact.ci.freebsd.org build of r368820. This means that I've been unable to bisect what I reported. I used (up to some name edits): # more = ~/sys_build_scripts.amd64-host/make-GENERIC64-pure-clang-bootstrap-amd64-h= ost.sh=20 kldload -n filemon && \ script = ~/sys_typescripts/typescript_make_powerpc64_pure_clang-amd64-host-$(date = +%Y-%m-%d:%H:%M:%S) \ env __MAKE_CONF=3D"/dev/null" SRCCONF=3D"/dev/null" = SRC_ENV_CONF=3D"/dev/null" TARGET=3Dpowerpc TARGET_ARCH=3Dpowerpc64 \ WITH_META_MODE=3Dyes \ MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D"/usr/obj/powerpc64pure_clang/powerpc.powerpc64" \ KERNCONF=3DGENERIC64 \ make $* I did both kernel-toolchain and, later, buildkernel . Building other, more recent, commits got the same result. Absent artifact.ci.freebsd.org materials for various versions over the appropriate time range, it does not look like I'll be much help isolating what contributes to the very early failure on the 2-socket/1-core-each G5. 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And... wow. The compiler that ships with 12.1-RELEASE seems to think it's targeting a little-endian powerpc64 machine... and then libelf gets built the wrong way and mayhem ensues. I've filed https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252720 with the details. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:45 PM Julio Merino wrote: > Huh. I just encountered more breakage: > > g5:~> pkg info > pkg: failed to get the note section > pkg: failed to get the note section > pkg: Unable to determine ABI > pkg: Cannot parse configuration file! > > Something seems to be very wrong after this buildworld/installworld > upgrade... > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:33 PM Julio Merino wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On the PowerMac G5 I have, I first installed 12.1-RELEASE (ppc64) as >> found on the website. >> >> Now, I just went ahead and built the world from a Git checkout of the >> stable/12 branch (at commit 49038d1723a9d45e064f482d510230ed5395b675). The >> whole process went smoothly and I was able to upgrade to 12.2-STABLE just >> fine. >> >> However... on a second attempt to clean-build the world after the >> upgrade, I'm getting the following very early on in the process: >> >> ===> kerberos5/tools/make-roken (obj,all,install) >> objcopy --strip-debug --add-gnu-debuglink=make-roken.debug >> make-roken.full make-roken >> objcopy: unsupported e_type >> *** [make-roken] Error code 1 >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thank you >> >> -- >> jmmv.dev >> > > > -- > jmmv.dev > -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Jan 16 02:10:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B784E46D151 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 02:10:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic310-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DHhNd5qx2z4fxw for ; 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So I cut the material below to the basics of the early failure for an attempted 32-bit boot.] On 2021-Jan-14, at 22:50, Mark Millard wrote: > On 2021-Jan-14, at 17:39, Mark Millard wrote: > >> On 2021-Jan-13, at 14:35, Mark Millard wrote: >> >>> I attempted [using the 32-bit powerpc FreeBSD] with the [. . .] >>> 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 that I have access to. It >>> silently hangs up almost immediately after the loader's timeout >>> prompt is "returned to" (or finishes the timeout). This happened >>> for both vt and sc for kern.vty . >>> . . . >> >> . . . it stops on the 2-socket/1-core-each G5 after . . . : >> >> Kernel entry at 0x100580 ... >> >> So this is a very early failure. > Using the actual powerpc64 FreeBSD media booted the 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 just fine. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Jan 16 02:31:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4502646DDCB for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 02:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic312-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic312-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DHhrm5XlZz4h8X for ; 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Sat, 16 Jan 2021 02:31:50 +0000 Received: by smtp412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 39eecf5d0fa51ccf2852dec382cf8561; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 02:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.40.0.2.32\)) Subject: Re: CURRENT -r361544 breaks 2-socket PowerMac G4 booting: "powerpc/mmu: Convert PowerPC pmap drivers to ifunc from kobj" From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:31:45 -0800 Cc: Justin Hibbits , FreeBSD PowerPC ML Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <07B41AEF-A09E-4CA6-8DB1-A65CD540EB95@yahoo.com> References: <00423D88-0367-4220-B20A-50307DA72A81@yahoo.com> To: Brandon Bergren X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DHhrm5XlZz4h8X X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; 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Its bus_dmamem_alloc messages also >> stop early on, with the 12th message being the last. The last >> 3 are shown in context below (showing the phys addr and >> alignment figures as well): >>=20 >> . . . >> Root mount waiting for: CAM usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: bus_dmamem_alloc failed to align = memory properly. >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: vtophys(*vaddr)=3D=3D0x1c48d80 and = dmat->alignment-1=3D=3D0xff >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ugen0.4: at usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ukbd0 numa-domain 0 on uhub5 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ukbd0: on usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: kbd1 at ukbd0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: uhid0 numa-domain 0 on uhub5 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: uhid0: on usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: bus_dmamem_alloc failed to align = memory properly. >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: vtophys(*vaddr)=3D=3D0x1c48a80 and = dmat->alignment-1=3D=3D0xff >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: bus_dmamem_alloc failed to align = memory properly. >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: vtophys(*vaddr)=3D=3D0x1c48a80 and = dmat->alignment-1=3D=3D0xff >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: Root mount waiting for: CAM usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ugen0.5: at usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: uhid1 numa-domain 0 on uhub4 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: uhid1: on usbus0 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: Root mount waiting for: CAM >> . . . >>=20 >> Apparently, having ongoing bus_dmamem_alloc messages and having >> failing USB are tied together in some manor. For reference, >> the boot did get: >>=20 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: SMP: 2 CPUs found; 2 CPUs usable; 1 = CPUs woken >>=20 >> The PowerMac G4 is instead reporting something different >> for ongoing notices: >>=20 >> . . . >> Jan 2 10:10:37 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ds17750: iicbus read failed >> Jan 2 10:12:19 FBSDG4S2 kernel: iichb0: I2C error >> Jan 2 10:14:02 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:15:44 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:22:31 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 4 times >> Jan 2 10:22:31 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ds17750: iicbus read failed >> Jan 2 10:24:14 FBSDG4S2 kernel: iichb0: I2C error >> Jan 2 10:25:57 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:27:39 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:32:44 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 3 times >> Jan 2 10:32:44 FBSDG4S2 kernel: adm10300: iicbus write failed >> Jan 2 10:34:27 FBSDG4S2 kernel: iichb0: I2C error >> Jan 2 10:36:09 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:37:52 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:42:57 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 3 times >> Jan 2 10:42:57 FBSDG4S2 kernel: ds17750: iicbus read failed >> Jan 2 10:44:39 FBSDG4S2 kernel: iichb0: I2C error >> Jan 2 10:46:22 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:48:02 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> Jan 2 10:53:09 FBSDG4S2 syslogd: last message repeated 3 times >> Jan 2 10:53:09 FBSDG4S2 kernel: adm10300: iicbus write failed >> Jan 2 10:54:52 FBSDG4S2 kernel: iichb0: I2C error >> . . . >>=20 >> It was not reporting such previously. (It is my build of >> -r368820 with my patches, which had USB failing like >> the artifact.ci kernels in previous boots.) >=20 > Just FYI: >=20 > This boot with USB working eventually crashed while the system > was basically idle: >=20 > . . . > panic: vm_fault_lookup: fault on nofault entry, addr: 0xd77de000 > cpuid =3D 0 > time =3D 1609626759 > KDB: stack backtrace: > 0xd690f570: at kdb_backtrace+0x64 > 0xd690f5d0: at vpanic+0x204 > 0xd690f640: at panic+0x64 > 0xd690f680: at vm_fault+0x1b28 > 0xd690f750: at vm_fault_trap+0xc8 > 0xd690f780: at trap_pfault+0x124 > 0xd690f7c0: at trap+0x20c > 0xd690f870: at powerpc_interrupt+0x1f8 > 0xd690f8a0: kernel DSI read trap @ 0xd77de000 by kiic_intr+0x1b8: = srr1=3D0x9032 > r1=3D0xd690f960 cr=3D0x42200800 xer=3D0 ctr=3D0x9ba564 = sr=3D0x40000000 frame=3D0xd690f8a8 > 0xd690f960: at 0x198239c > 0xd690f990: at ithread_loop+0x314 > 0xd690fa10: at fork_exit+0xcc > 0xd690fa40: at fork_trampoline+0xc > KDB: enter: panic >=20 > The reboot was back to USB not working. >=20 >>> Can you tell me the exact PVR of your processors? (can find it in OF = with 'dev /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0 .properties' and looking at the = cpu-version: property.) I'm wondering if it is an errata that we're = tripping over here. >>=20 >> This from ofwdump covers that for the PowerPC 7455 revision 3.3, >> I think: >>=20 >> # ofwdump -P cpu-version /cpus/PowerPC,G4 >> Node 0x274: PowerPC,G4 >> cpu-version: >> 80 01 03 03=20 >>=20 >> FYI: >>=20 >> # ofwdump -ap >> Node 0x38: device-tree >> phandle: >> ff 88 11 a8=20 >> model: >> 50 6f 77 65 72 4d 61 63 33 2c 36 00=20 >> 'PowerMac3,6' >> . . . >>=20 >> Also: >>=20 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: cpu0: Motorola PowerPC 7455 revision = 3.3, 1416.74 MHz >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: cpu0: Features = 9c000000 >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: cpu0: HID0 = 8450c0bc >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: real memory =3D 2115649536 (2017 = MB) >> Jan 1 17:49:08 FBSDG4S2 kernel: avail memory =3D 2052780032 (1957 = MB) >>=20 >> NOTE: I have access to a 2nd one of this type of >> PowerMac G4. >>=20 >>> Regarding the alignment problem, I'm hoping to be able to update the = busdma code to lean on the new MI bits, it's a bit of a mess currently. >>=20 >> It looks to me like this and the USB/I2C problems may be related >> in some way. >>=20 >>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >>>> [Continuation of testing kernel builds, but testing my own kernel >>>> builds for the head powerpc updates not available from = artifacts.ci. >>>> Ends up: -r361544 breaks things.] >>>>=20 >>>> On 2020-Dec-30, at 17:07, Mark Millard = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> A quick summary of what I found in a crude artifact bisect is = coded into >>>>> the filenames listed later. The earliest major point is the "1 = CPUs woken" >>>>> issue from what I can tell. It still happens in -r368820 . >>>>>=20 >>>>> "2cpus_booted" means things booted and worked normally. >>>>>=20 >>>>> "1cpuwoke_" means that the following was reported: >>>>>=20 >>>>> SMP: 2 CPUs found; 2 CPUs usable; 1 CPUs woken >>>>>=20 >>>>> "_hung" means that it appeared to stop without reporting a crash. = Never >>>>> got to login prompt. >>>>>=20 >>>>> "crashes_quickly" means that the the kernel did not get very far = before >>>>> the crash happened. >>>>>=20 >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19179328 May 25 21:44:01 2020 = kernel-r361494-2cpus_booted.txz >>>>>=20 >>>>> Note: No artifact kernel.txz files for the range -r361495 .. = -r361583 . >>>>> powerpc checkins in that range include: >>>>>=20 >>>>> -r361542 : [PowerPC] Fix invalid asm in trap code (Brandon) >>>>> -r361544 : powerpc/mmu: Convert PowerPC pmap drivers to ifunc from = kobj (Justin) >>>>> -r361545 : Properly sort ifdef archs in vm_fault_soft_fast = superpage guards. (Justin) >>>>> -r361568 : [PowerPC] Fix radix crash when passing -1 from = userspace (Brandon) >>>>> -r361570 : powerpc/pmap: Remove some debug from r361544 (Justin) >>>>>=20 >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19133836 May 28 04:28:01 2020 = kernel-r361584-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19181596 May 29 04:42:42 2020 = kernel-r361624-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19254832 Jun 3 10:26:42 2020 = kernel-r361754-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18869112 Jun 10 16:53:57 2020 = kernel-r362034-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19245524 Jul 8 06:04:41 2020 = kernel-r363008-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19259816 Aug 16 12:03:55 2020 = kernel-r364274-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>>=20 >>>>> NOTE: -r364284 is where clang 11 started and the -O newly meaning = -O1 problem started. >>>>> (Previously -O meant -O2. -O1 messed up the kernel's ifunc = handling until it >>>>> was changed to explicitly use -O2.) >>>>>=20 >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19369960 Aug 22 11:38:22 2020 = kernel-r364488-crashes_quickly.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19203632 Sep 1 01:38:18 2020 = kernel-r365024-crashes_quickly.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19367776 Sep 3 11:02:58 2020 = kernel-r365304-crashes_quickly.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19279564 Sep 6 08:06:11 2020 = kernel-r365378-crashes_quickly.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19205456 Sep 7 22:53:14 2020 = kernel-r365444-1cpuwoke_crashes_late.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19446448 Sep 10 08:08:23 2020 = kernel-r365578-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19398268 Oct 9 06:05:48 2020 = kernel-r366598-1cpuwoke_hung.txz >>>>>=20 >>>>> Note: -r368820 still has "1cpuwoke" status and its USB is messed = up (and >>>>> it reports DMA misalignment) but it does boot. (I accessed it = via ssh.) >>>>=20 >>>> Note: for the below kernel builds I provided a "int yydebug;" for: >>>>=20 >>>> usr.bin/localedef/localedef.c >>>>=20 >>>> so kernel-toolchain could build (avoiding a link failure). >>>>=20 >>>> Other than that, the kernel builds are of pure code from git using=20= >>>> KERNCONF=3DGENERIC , >>>> TARGET=3Dpowerpc , TARGET_ARCH=3Dpowerpc and no other tailoring, = avoiding=20 >>>> any questions >>>> about my personal patches contributing. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -r361542 (64cc3b0c28b9) : [PowerPC] Fix invalid asm in trap code = (Brandon) >>>>=20 >>>> Things booted and worked as expected. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -r361544 (45b69dd63e84) : powerpc/mmu: Convert PowerPC pmap drivers = to=20 >>>> ifunc from kobj (Justin) >>>>=20 >>>> SMP: 2 CPUs found; 2 CPUs usable; 1 CPUs woken >>>>=20 >>>> was reported and it appeared to stop without reporting a crash. = Never >>>> got to login prompt. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> NOTE: -r361453 was on stable/ instead of head/ so the above is a >>>> works-then-fails pair with nothing between on CURRENT. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 I tried booting the iMac G3 and the 1-socket/1-core-each G4 with my modern 32-bit powerpc build: # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src 818390ce0ca539300dd15d7a817784f1e3f7a9b8 CommitDate: 2021-01-13 14:54:46 -0800 4180404713ec 818390ce0ca5 (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. 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I'd provided some notes about contexts in which vt or sc did not work in my environment. I've rechecked some contexts and found that for: # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src 818390ce0ca539300dd15d7a817784f1e3f7a9b8 CommitDate: 2021-01-13 14:54:46 -0800 4180404713ec 818390ce0ca5 (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. (I run with patches to work around various FreeBSD problems with handling old PowerMacs. That is why it is not just 818390ce0ca5.) PowerMac7,2 G5: vt works, sc hangs just after "Kernel entry at 0x100580 = ...". iMac G3 (PowerMac4,1): sc works, vt fails (showing a blank screen). (These are basic console-display tests, not validation that most = everything displayed well.) Unfortunately the old 2-socket-/2-cores-each G5 with the Radeon X1950 suffered heat-death (CPU cooling failure). It used to be that vt mishandled a 2560x1440 display for this context and caused a boot-crash. I used to have to use sc instead to use that display. (I do still have access to the video card but it is not in any machine.) I can say that, on the GeForce 7800 GT based 2-socket-/2-cores-each G5, vt works with that same display. sc does not display fancy open/close double quotes correctly in man output: a sequence of odd symbols = instead. But its basics were working, using somewhat less of the display area. The other PowerMac contexts that I can still readily test still basically work for both vt and sc booting. 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So I cut the material below to the basics of > the early failure for an attempted 32-bit boot.] >=20 > On 2021-Jan-14, at 22:50, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On 2021-Jan-14, at 17:39, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2021-Jan-13, at 14:35, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I attempted [using the 32-bit powerpc FreeBSD] with the [. . .] >>>> 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 that I have access to. It >>>> silently hangs up almost immediately after the loader's timeout >>>> prompt is "returned to" (or finishes the timeout). This happened >>>> for both vt and sc for kern.vty . >>>> . . . >>>=20 >>> . . . it stops on the 2-socket/1-core-each G5 after . . . : >>>=20 >>> Kernel entry at 0x100580 ... >>>=20 >>> So this is a very early failure. >>=20 >=20 > Using the actual powerpc64 FreeBSD media booted the > 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 just fine. Well, for powerpc64, . . . A) Using kern.vty=3Dvt booted the 2-socket/1-cores-each G5 just fine. B) Using kern.vty=3Dsc stopped after the "Kernel entry at . . ." = message. (This behavior with sc is not new, it is very old in fact.) (The iMac G3 boots with sc and fails to do so with vt: blank screen very early on.) These are as of: # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh mm-src 818390ce0ca539300dd15d7a817784f1e3f7a9b8 CommitDate: 2021-01-13 14:54:46 -0800 4180404713ec 818390ce0ca5 (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's = patched build in git context. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)