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Sun, 7 Feb 2021 01:23:19 +0000 Received: by smtp413.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 08677a8a14ac13a05b480475ba31161b; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 01:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.40.0.2.32\)) Subject: Re: main (14-CURRENT) may be unstable on powerpc64 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <2009AE57-9720-4FF2-9EC9-8F5EFDCB9E78@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:23:14 -0800 Cc: freebsd-ppc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6A4F7E52-B0FD-47A2-93EF-632BDBEAB252@yahoo.com> References: <28E64465-8A99-43CF-8B4F-044533EA03C4.ref@yahoo.com> <28E64465-8A99-43CF-8B4F-044533EA03C4@yahoo.com> <20210205113544.349ee77e@ralga.knownspace> <52899C49-E0DF-4E19-A89F-8B9376B8F1F5@yahoo.com> <051FDA5B-C529-4805-89F1-3802D75FC7B7@yahoo.com> <2009AE57-9720-4FF2-9EC9-8F5EFDCB9E78@yahoo.com> To: Justin Hibbits X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYBHY2Wdcz3DJw X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.68.146:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.68.146:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.146:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.146:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 01:23:22 -0000 On 2021-Feb-6, at 12:55, Mark Millard wrote: > On 2021-Feb-5, at 23:49, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On 2021-Feb-5, at 21:34, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2021-Feb-5, at 10:34, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 2021-Feb-5, at 09:35, Justin Hibbits = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 04:05:55 -0800 >>>>> Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> . . . >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is probably fallout from 710e45c4b, which has since been = reverted. >>>>> 710e45c4b broke other things like swig as well, which caused a lot = of >>>>> poudriere fallout for me (devel/llvm* failed because swig = crashed). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Try updating past 33f0540b1 and testing again. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The above is based on 847dfd2803f6, which is after 33f0540b1 . . . >>>>=20 >>>> = https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?qt=3Drange&q=3D33f0540b1~1..847dfd2803f6= >>>> shows: >>>>=20 >>>> Commit message (Expand) Author Age Files Lines >>>> * readelf: do not trucate section name with -W Ed Maste = 45 hours 1 -4/+9 >>>> * readelf: decode LA48 and ASG_DISABLE feature flags Ed Maste = 45 hours 1 -0/+2 >>>> * Add a VM flag to prevent reclaim on a failed contig allocation = Ryan Stone 45 hours 3 -2/+11 >>>> * dwmmc: Multiple busdma fixes. Michal Meloun 46 hours = 1 -15/+32 >>>> * linux: remove locks around callout_drain in timerfd_close() = shu 46 hours 1 -2/+0 >>>> * Revert "Reimplement strlen" Mateusz Guzik 47 hours = 2 -53/+108 >>>>=20 >>>> (I Probably should have shown that in the original >>>> message, given the difficulty in determining the >>>> relative order of referenced commits.) >>>>=20 >>>> Before updating to be 847dfd2803f6 based, I had also >>>> previously hit the swig issue with the llvm10 build. >>>> That problem failed reliably until after I'd updated >>>> past the revert. (Not trusting the other things built >>>> is why I did a -c poudriere bulk after updating to an >>>> environment based on after the revert.) >>>>=20 >>>> The variability in the pkg-static behavior this time >>>> suggests race conditions are involved, though not >>>> frequent failures. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It still failed to build llvm10 but the error reporoted >>> is rather different. At least there is a .tbz for me to >>> expand. I may end up with more to report after that. >>>=20 >>> Here is the log file's report: >>>=20 >>> [2996/4558] /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS = -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10. >>> 0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm >>> -10.0.1.src/include -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong = -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fPIC -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-ti >>> me -Werror=3Dunguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra = -Wno-unused-parameter -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual = -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic -Wno-long-long = -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-defa >>> ult -Wno-noexcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types=20= >>> -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tid >>> y/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o = -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o tools/clang/tools/extra/cl >>> = ang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o = -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp >>> FAILED: = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o=20 >>> /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS = -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tool >>> s/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/ >>> include -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fPIC -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-time = -Werror=3Du >>> nguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic = -Wno-long-long -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-default -Wno-noe >>> xcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types = -O2 -pipe -D >>> NDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMa >>> keFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plu >>> gin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp >>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and = include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run = script. >>> Stack dump: >>> 0. Program arguments: /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE = -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm1 >>> 0/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include -O2 -pipe = -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include -fPIC = -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-time = -Werror=3Dunguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic = -Wno-long-long -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-default = -Wno-noexcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types = -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp=20 >>> 1. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:76: current parser token ')' >>> 2. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:40:1: parsing namespace 'clang' >>> 3. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:149:1: parsing struct/union/class body = 'clang::ModuleDependencyCollector' >>> 4. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:47: parsing function body = 'clang::ModuleDependencyCollector::insertSeen' >>> 5. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:47: in compound statement ('{}') >>> 6. /usr/include/c++/v1/utility:297:29: instantiating class = definition 'std::__1::pair, = bool>' >>> 7. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/Stri= ngMap.h:34:34: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::StringMapIterator' >>> 8. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/Stri= ngMap.h:488:7: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::StringMapIterBase, = llvm::StringMapEntry>' >>> 9. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/iter= ator.h:67:7: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::iterator_facade_base, = std::__1::forward_iterator_tag, llvm::StringMapEntry, = long, llvm::StringMapEntry *, = llvm::StringMapEntry &>' >>> #0 0x0000000012f52ed0 llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&) = (/usr/bin/c+++0x12f52ed0) >>> #1 0x0000000012f50770 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() = (/usr/bin/c+++0x12f50770) >>> #2 0x0000000012ee4778 CrashRecoverySignalHandler(int) = (/usr/bin/c+++0x12ee4778) >>> #3 0x0000000813f2b2b4 (/lib/libthr.so.3+0x2f2b4) >>> c++: error: clang frontend command failed due to signal (use -v to = see invocation) >>> FreeBSD clang version 11.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git = llvmorg-11.0.1-0-g43ff75f2c3fe) >>> Target: powerpc64-unknown-freebsd14.0 >>> Thread model: posix >>> InstalledDir: /usr/bin >>> c++: note: diagnostic msg:=20 >>> ******************** >>>=20 >>> PLEASE ATTACH THE FOLLOWING FILES TO THE BUG REPORT: >>> Preprocessed source(s) and associated run script(s) are located at: >>> c++: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/ClangTidyPlugin-21aaa2.cpp >>> c++: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/ClangTidyPlugin-21aaa2.sh >>> c++: note: diagnostic msg:=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Note: Unfortunately, poudriere does not capture those files >>> from /tmp/ in the .tbz for the build failure. >>>=20 >>=20 >> No *.core was left behind in the expanded .tbz . >> /var/log/messages did not have a line reporting >> any pid signal lines in the time frame. >>=20 >> Repeating the failing command in the expansion of >> the .tbz did not repeat the problem. >>=20 >> It looks to be another example of there being one >> or more not-readily-repeatable problems occurring. >>=20 >> It will be many hours before the new poudriere bulk >> can get back to that same point, but with just the >> one builder and the one job for the builder. (Still >> allowing use of an active process per cpu.) The >> normal/prior bulk runs were allowing 2 jobs. >>=20 >>=20 >> Note: /lib/libthr.so.3+0x2f2b4 seems to be in code >> from the "static void handle_signal . . ." routine. >>=20 >=20 > The devel/llvm10 rebuild attempt is well past the > [2996/4558] point now: working on [3056/4558] . > But it looks like it may have 6+ hrs to go to > complete (if successful). So far: >=20 > [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-05_23h31m51s] [parallel_build:] = Queued: 1 Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 1 = Time: 13:01:28 > [01]: devel/llvm10 | llvm10-10.0.1_3 = build (12:50:05 / 12:59:42) > [13:02:12] Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/FBSDpowerpc64-default/2021-02-05_23h31= m51s >=20 > I've no reasonable way to figure out if the parallel > activity from letting 2 jobs run (so: higher load > average) would have made a difference or not. Getting > a very detailed repetition for such is difficult > so any variation in what context it failed in makes > useful comparison/contrast problematical. >=20 > But, if this run completes successfully, there will > be 101 more ports to let poudriere bulk try to build, > one of which would be devel/llvm11 . >=20 It finished, apparently successfully: [17:36:24] Built ports: devel/llvm10 [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-05_23h31m51s] [committing:] Queued: 1 = Built: 1 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time: 17:35:40 [17:36:24] Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/FBSDpowerpc64-default/2021-02-05_23h31= m51s I've started the attempt to build what is still pending: . . . [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-06_17h13m39s] [balancing_pool:] Queued: = 101 Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 101 Time: = 00:02:44 [00:03:27] Recording filesystem state for prepkg... done [00:03:27] Building 101 packages using 2 builders [00:03:27] Starting/Cloning builders [00:04:15] Hit CTRL+t at any time to see build progress and stats [00:04:15] [01] [00:00:00] Building graphics/mesa-libs | = mesa-libs-20.2.3 [00:04:15] [02] [00:00:00] Building devel/llvm11 | llvm11-11.0.0 . . . =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 18:32:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E86533C13 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgorny@gentoo.org) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYd7B4DJhz3CKf for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgorny@gentoo.org) Message-ID: <3cf18879d8ef9d948d0970ad4a605b853d60aee9.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: Looking for shell access for (minimal) LLDB testing From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: Justin Hibbits Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:32:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20210203133122.6518402f@ralga.knownspace> References: <20210203133122.6518402f@ralga.knownspace> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYd7B4DJhz3CKf X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gentoo.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mgorny@gentoo.org designates 140.211.166.183 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mgorny@gentoo.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.20 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[140.211.166.183:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:140.211.166.183]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.194]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gentoo.org,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.91)[subject]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3701, ipnet:140.211.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI(-0.50)[140.211.166.183:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 18:32:39 -0000 On Wed, 2021-02-03 at 13:31 -0600, Justin Hibbits wrote: > On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:16:38 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm working on modernizing LLDB's FreeBSD support. As a part of that, > > I have to port all architecture-specific code to a new process plugin > > architecture, and I'd prefer to test that my code actually works ;-). > > > > Sadly, FWICS FreeBSD doesn't work under qemu-system-ppc [1], and my > > attempts seem to confirm that. For this reason I'd like to ask -- > > would someone be able to grant me user-privilege shell access to a > > machine (or VM) running 32-bit FreeBSD on PowerPC for a few days? > > > > I probably won't need root access, though rsync(1) installed would be > > helpful. I'm going to need around 1G of disk space but I can try to > > squeeze in less than that if necessary. All builds are done on my > > home machine via a cross-compiler, so I won't be using much CPU or > > memory, just some network bandwidth to transfer the data. > > > > TIA for your help. > > > > [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/QemuRecipes#powerpc > > > > Hi Michał, > > I don't have a 32-bit powerpc system available for you to use, but you > should be able to run lldb just fine on the FreeBSD powerpc64 Qemu > recipe. Do you need a 32-bit kernel, or just 32-bit userland? > > If you need a 32-bit kernel, I have successfully run FreeBSD on a > Book-E qemu, so if you can build a MPC85XX kernel, you can run in that. Thank you for your offer but I've gotten native access already. -- Best regards, Michał Górny From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 18:33:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA33533D86 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgorny@gentoo.org) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYd8d4SYxz3CYp for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgorny@gentoo.org) Message-ID: <36d34d7adb224f1bb9daf3d2a3484096f28f5696.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: Looking for shell access for (minimal) LLDB testing From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: Jason Bacon , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:33:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20210203133122.6518402f@ralga.knownspace> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYd8d4SYxz3CYp X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gentoo.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mgorny@gentoo.org designates 140.211.166.183 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mgorny@gentoo.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.91)[subject]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:140.211.166.183]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[140.211.166.183:from]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.047]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gentoo.org,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3701, ipnet:140.211.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI(-0.50)[140.211.166.183:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 18:33:53 -0000 On Thu, 2021-02-04 at 07:24 -0600, Jason Bacon wrote: > On 2/3/21 1:31 PM, Justin Hibbits wrote: > > On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:16:38 +0100 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm working on modernizing LLDB's FreeBSD support. As a part of that, > > > I have to port all architecture-specific code to a new process plugin > > > architecture, and I'd prefer to test that my code actually works ;-). > > > > > > Sadly, FWICS FreeBSD doesn't work under qemu-system-ppc [1], and my > > > attempts seem to confirm that. For this reason I'd like to ask -- > > > would someone be able to grant me user-privilege shell access to a > > > machine (or VM) running 32-bit FreeBSD on PowerPC for a few days? > > > > > > I probably won't need root access, though rsync(1) installed would be > > > helpful. I'm going to need around 1G of disk space but I can try to > > > squeeze in less than that if necessary. All builds are done on my > > > home machine via a cross-compiler, so I won't be using much CPU or > > > memory, just some network bandwidth to transfer the data. > > > > > > TIA for your help. > > > > > > [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/QemuRecipes#powerpc > > > > > Hi Michał, > > > > I don't have a 32-bit powerpc system available for you to use, but you > > should be able to run lldb just fine on the FreeBSD powerpc64 Qemu > > recipe. Do you need a 32-bit kernel, or just 32-bit userland? > > > > If you need a 32-bit kernel, I have successfully run FreeBSD on a > > Book-E qemu, so if you can build a MPC85XX kernel, you can run in that. > > > > - Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I had some trouble with FreeBSD under qemu a while back and the solution > was to specify am older cpu architecture, namely > pseries-2.5: That's nice to know. I've tried different CPU brands but it didn't occur to me to try an older one. This would be nice to have on the wiki. 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FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.68.32:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.68.32:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.32:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:45:59 -0000 > The branch main has been updated by bdragon: >=20 > URL:=20 > = https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3Dd26f2a50ff48dacd38ba358d658882d5= 1f7bdbc4 >=20 >=20 > commit d26f2a50ff48dacd38ba358d658882d51f7bdbc4 > Author: Brandon Bergren < > bdragon at FreeBSD.org > > > AuthorDate: 2021-02-07 22:05:41 +0000 > Commit: Brandon Bergren < > bdragon at FreeBSD.org > > > CommitDate: 2021-02-07 22:13:55 +0000 >=20 > powerpc64: Fix boot on virtual-mode OF (PowerMac G5) > =20 > In 78599c32efed3247d165302a1fbe8d9203e38974, CFI endproc = decoration was > added to locore64.S. However, it missed the subtle detail that > __restartkernel_virtual() falls through to __restartkernel(). This = was > causing boot failure on PowerMac G5, as it tried to execute the > epilogue as code. > =20 > Fix this by branching to __restartkernel() instead of = intentionally > running off the end of the function. > =20 > While here, add some additional notes on how the virtual mode = restart > works. > =20 > MFC after: 3 days > --- > sys/powerpc/aim/locore64.S | 10 ++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+) >=20 > diff --git a/sys/powerpc/aim/locore64.S b/sys/powerpc/aim/locore64.S > index 0bc0619620d9..f0a183c4b331 100644 > --- a/sys/powerpc/aim/locore64.S > +++ b/sys/powerpc/aim/locore64.S > @@ -255,6 +255,16 @@ ASENTRY_NOPROF(__restartkernel_virtual) > addi %r14, %r14, 1 > cmpdi %r14, 16 > blt 1b > + > + /* > + * Now that we are set up with a temporary direct map, we can > + * continue with __restartkernel. Translation will be switched > + * back on at the rfid, at which point we will be executing from > + * the temporary direct map we just installed, until the kernel > + * takes over responsibility for the MMU. > + */ > + bl __restartkernel > + nop > ASEND(__restartkernel_virtual) > =20 > ASENTRY_NOPROF(__restartkernel) Wow. Somehow I've not had boot powerpc64 FreeBSD boot problems since the ASEND(__restartkernel_virtual) addition. For example, the current boot code has ( from objdump output of /boot/kernel/kernel ): 0000000000100710 <__restartkernel_virtual> addis r2,r12,302 0000000000100714 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x4> addi r2,r2,10480 0000000000100718 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x8> mfmsr r14 000000000010071c <__restartkernel_virtual+0xc> andi. r14,r14,61389 0000000000100720 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x10> mtmsr r14 0000000000100724 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x14> isync 0000000000100728 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x18> li r14,0 000000000010072c <__restartkernel_virtual+0x1c> li r18,0 0000000000100730 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x20> oris r18,r18,49152 0000000000100734 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x24> rldicr r18,r18,32,31 0000000000100738 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x28> slbmfev r15,r14 000000000010073c <__restartkernel_virtual+0x2c> slbmfee r16,r14 0000000000100740 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x30> or r16,r16,r14 0000000000100744 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x34> ori r16,r16,16 0000000000100748 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x38> or r16,r16,r18 000000000010074c <__restartkernel_virtual+0x3c> rldicr r17,r16,0,37 0000000000100750 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x40> isync 0000000000100754 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x44> slbie r17 0000000000100758 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x48> slbmte r15,r16 000000000010075c <__restartkernel_virtual+0x4c> isync 0000000000100760 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x50> addi r14,r14,1 0000000000100764 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x54> cmpdi r14,16 0000000000100768 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x58> blt 0000000000100738 = <__restartkernel_virtual+0x28> ... 0000000000100778 <__restartkernel_virtual+0x68> nop 000000000010077c <__restartkernel_virtual+0x6c> nop 0000000000100780 <__restartkernel> addis r2,r12,302 0000000000100784 <__restartkernel+0x4> addi r2,r2,10368 0000000000100788 <__restartkernel+0x8> mtsrr1 r9 000000000010078c <__restartkernel+0xc> bl 0000000000100790 = <__restartkernel+0x10> 0000000000100790 <__restartkernel+0x10> mflr r25 0000000000100794 <__restartkernel+0x14> add r25,r8,r25 0000000000100798 <__restartkernel+0x18> addi r25,r25,20 000000000010079c <__restartkernel+0x1c> mtsrr0 r25 00000000001007a0 <__restartkernel+0x20> rfid 00000000001007a4 <__restartkernel+0x24> bl 0000000000100630 = <__start> 00000000001007a8 <__restartkernel+0x28> nop I wonder what implicit oddities have been happening because of it, without obvious boot problems. Or is the above only involved for some PowerMac G5s? Cool find. I've a ports rebuild in progress that may well not finish for another 6+ hours. I'll not be updating for this until sometime after the port build finishes. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 22:39:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D29F52C4DC for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbZSb2Lkkz3QnZ for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4EACF52C4DB; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E74952CDED for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbZSW1kKXz3Qlg; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 105A9170F5; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:21 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: ppc@FreeBSD.org Cc: linimon@FreeBSD.org, pkubaj@FreeBSD.org, bdragon@FreeBSD.org Subject: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Message-ID: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbZSW1kKXz3Qlg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@lonesome.com has no SPF policy when checking 18.222.6.11) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@lonesome.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[18.222.6.11:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[18.222.6.11:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[linimon]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[18.222.6.11:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ppc] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:14:11 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 -0000 So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. The problem is that we have limitations on: - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches - human resources trying to support 3 branches The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build 14-CURRENT. How many people will this affect if we do so? fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") How many people will these changes effect? 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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:07:03 -0800 Cc: "ppc@freebsd.org" , "pkubaj@freebsd.org" , "linimon@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dbq3c50xVz4tQS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:07:09 -0000 On 2021-Feb-10, at 14:39, Mark Linimon wrote: > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches Only matters for powerpc64? No such building for 32-bit is normally done? > - human resources trying to support 3 branches This still applies for 32-bit powerpc variants, outside of just ports. Although, trying to cover 32-bit PowerMacs may have a similar status for this human resources point outside of ports. (May be only chroot style or analogous on powerpc64's that allow such for 32-bit code? As stands, I do modern FreeBSD 32-bit PowerMac activity on powerpc64 via chroot and poudriere activity, other than evidence gathering relative to known 32-bit kernel problems for PowerMacs.) > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > 14-CURRENT. > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... It can be hard to tell about the contrasting case(s) vs. just non-responders without explicit reports, so . . . I have converted the old PowerMac contexts that I have access to to be based on FreeBSD:14:* ABIs, including having built various ports for powerpc64 and for 32-bit powerpc (nearly the same ports for both these days). Old PowerMacs are the only form of powerpc* families that I have access to. Side note: With the 2-socket/2-core-each G5 failures I've gone from a set of origins that resulted in about 476 port builds to a set that results in about 101 port builds. No more llvm* builds, for example. I cross build FreeBSD itself for powerpc64 and 32-bit powerpc. I build 32-bit powerpc ports on the one well-operating G5 that I still have access to (2 sockets/1-core-each). I have fairly strong time preferences. But going in the other direction: It is not clear that I'd use: http://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A14%3Apowerpc64 to get installations of any ports that I choose not to build. Port building is a test of if the system is still operating fairly well and my historical toolchain explorations no longer serve much purpose. And there is no: http://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A14%3Apowerpc === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 08:35:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B83653F238 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:35:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbqhP2ZGbz4vpf for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbqhD5qGDz1ftWj for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:35:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbqhD538Dz1ftWg for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:35:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from mordeus.mcs.it (mordeus.mcs.it [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590264E61B4 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:35:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:36:10 +0100 From: Luciano Mannucci To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? 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Please upgrade.") > > How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... Well, I have just finished migrating my first PPC64 FreeBSD production servers from 11.3-RELEASE to 12.2-RELEASE. Seems that it is working. It has been easier than expected, though non really straigh forward: I had to recompile everything (11.X did'nt have precompiled pkgs) and did'nt notice that per was moved from 5.30 to 5.32, so I had to do it twice. I have another couple of production machines that I will migrate very soon, though these will be reinstalled and reloaded with data from the previous version. On Mac 32 bit front, mine runs 9.2 since I don't dare to do anything major on it for the hardware is not really pristine :), since it is a 1998 powerbook. Thanks for the magnificient work you have done3 up to now, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. 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Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:53:14 +0000 Received: by smtp406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 22caa726fd0cfdf67ea9fbd98d02da9b; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.40.0.2.32\)) Subject: Re: main (14-CURRENT) may be unstable on powerpc64 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <6A4F7E52-B0FD-47A2-93EF-632BDBEAB252@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:53:05 -0800 Cc: freebsd-ppc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <28E64465-8A99-43CF-8B4F-044533EA03C4.ref@yahoo.com> <28E64465-8A99-43CF-8B4F-044533EA03C4@yahoo.com> <20210205113544.349ee77e@ralga.knownspace> <52899C49-E0DF-4E19-A89F-8B9376B8F1F5@yahoo.com> <051FDA5B-C529-4805-89F1-3802D75FC7B7@yahoo.com> <2009AE57-9720-4FF2-9EC9-8F5EFDCB9E78@yahoo.com> <6A4F7E52-B0FD-47A2-93EF-632BDBEAB252@yahoo.com> To: Justin Hibbits X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc2kj4cPBz4WQr X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.08 / 15.00]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.42)[0.416]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.205:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:53:19 -0000 On 2021-Feb-6, at 17:23, Mark Millard wrote: > On 2021-Feb-6, at 12:55, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On 2021-Feb-5, at 23:49, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2021-Feb-5, at 21:34, Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 2021-Feb-5, at 10:34, Mark Millard wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On 2021-Feb-5, at 09:35, Justin Hibbits = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 04:05:55 -0800 >>>>>> Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> . . . >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This is probably fallout from 710e45c4b, which has since been = reverted. >>>>>> 710e45c4b broke other things like swig as well, which caused a = lot of >>>>>> poudriere fallout for me (devel/llvm* failed because swig = crashed). >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Try updating past 33f0540b1 and testing again. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The above is based on 847dfd2803f6, which is after 33f0540b1 . . . >>>>>=20 >>>>> = https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?qt=3Drange&q=3D33f0540b1~1..847dfd2803f6= >>>>> shows: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Commit message (Expand) Author Age Files Lines >>>>> * readelf: do not trucate section name with -W Ed Maste = 45 hours 1 -4/+9 >>>>> * readelf: decode LA48 and ASG_DISABLE feature flags = Ed Maste 45 hours 1 -0/+2 >>>>> * Add a VM flag to prevent reclaim on a failed contig = allocation Ryan Stone 45 hours 3 -2/+11 >>>>> * dwmmc: Multiple busdma fixes. Michal Meloun 46 hours = 1 -15/+32 >>>>> * linux: remove locks around callout_drain in = timerfd_close() shu 46 hours 1 -2/+0 >>>>> * Revert "Reimplement strlen" Mateusz Guzik 47 hours = 2 -53/+108 >>>>>=20 >>>>> (I Probably should have shown that in the original >>>>> message, given the difficulty in determining the >>>>> relative order of referenced commits.) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Before updating to be 847dfd2803f6 based, I had also >>>>> previously hit the swig issue with the llvm10 build. >>>>> That problem failed reliably until after I'd updated >>>>> past the revert. (Not trusting the other things built >>>>> is why I did a -c poudriere bulk after updating to an >>>>> environment based on after the revert.) >>>>>=20 >>>>> The variability in the pkg-static behavior this time >>>>> suggests race conditions are involved, though not >>>>> frequent failures. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> It still failed to build llvm10 but the error reporoted >>>> is rather different. At least there is a .tbz for me to >>>> expand. I may end up with more to report after that. >>>>=20 >>>> Here is the log file's report: >>>>=20 >>>> [2996/4558] /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS = -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10. >>>> 0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm >>>> -10.0.1.src/include -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong = -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fPIC -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-ti >>>> me -Werror=3Dunguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra = -Wno-unused-parameter -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual = -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic -Wno-long-long = -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-defa >>>> ult -Wno-noexcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types=20= >>>> -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tid >>>> y/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o = -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o tools/clang/tools/extra/cl >>>> = ang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o = -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp >>>> FAILED: = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o=20 >>>> /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS = -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tool >>>> s/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/ >>>> include -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem = /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem = /usr/local/include -fPIC -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-time = -Werror=3Du >>>> nguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic = -Wno-long-long -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-default -Wno-noe >>>> xcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types = -O2 -pipe -D >>>> NDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMa >>>> keFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plu >>>> gin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.dir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp >>>> PLEASE submit a bug report to https://bugs.freebsd.org/submit/ and = include the crash backtrace, preprocessed source, and associated run = script. >>>> Stack dump: >>>> 0. Program arguments: /usr/bin/c++ -D_GNU_SOURCE = -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS = -Itools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm1 >>>> 0/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include= -Itools/clang/include -Iinclude = -I/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include -O2 -pipe = -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include -fPIC = -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -Werror=3Ddate-time = -Werror=3Dunguarded-availability-new -Wall -Wextra -Wno-unused-parameter = -Wwrite-strings -Wcast-qual -Wmissing-field-initializers -pedantic = -Wno-long-long -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wcovered-switch-default = -Wno-noexcept-type -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor = -Wstring-conversion -fdiagnostics-color -ffunction-sections = -fdata-sections -fno-common -Woverloaded-virtual -Wno-nested-anon-types = -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -isystem /usr/local/include = -fno-exceptions -std=3Dc++14 -MD -MT = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -MF = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o.d -o = tools/clang/tools/extra/clang-tidy/plugin/CMakeFiles/obj.clangTidyPlugin.d= ir/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp.o -c = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/tools/ext= ra/clang-tidy/plugin/ClangTidyPlugin.cpp=20 >>>> 1. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:76: current parser token ')' >>>> 2. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:40:1: parsing namespace 'clang' >>>> 3. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:149:1: parsing struct/union/class body = 'clang::ModuleDependencyCollector' >>>> 4. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:47: parsing function body = 'clang::ModuleDependencyCollector::insertSeen' >>>> 5. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/tools/clang/include/c= lang/Frontend/Utils.h:165:47: in compound statement ('{}') >>>> 6. /usr/include/c++/v1/utility:297:29: instantiating class = definition 'std::__1::pair, = bool>' >>>> 7. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/Stri= ngMap.h:34:34: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::StringMapIterator' >>>> 8. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/Stri= ngMap.h:488:7: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::StringMapIterBase, = llvm::StringMapEntry>' >>>> 9. = /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/llvm10/work/llvm-10.0.1.src/include/llvm/ADT/iter= ator.h:67:7: instantiating class definition = 'llvm::iterator_facade_base, = std::__1::forward_iterator_tag, llvm::StringMapEntry, = long, llvm::StringMapEntry *, = llvm::StringMapEntry &>' >>>> #0 0x0000000012f52ed0 = llvm::sys::PrintStackTrace(llvm::raw_ostream&) (/usr/bin/c+++0x12f52ed0) >>>> #1 0x0000000012f50770 llvm::sys::RunSignalHandlers() = (/usr/bin/c+++0x12f50770) >>>> #2 0x0000000012ee4778 CrashRecoverySignalHandler(int) = (/usr/bin/c+++0x12ee4778) >>>> #3 0x0000000813f2b2b4 (/lib/libthr.so.3+0x2f2b4) >>>> c++: error: clang frontend command failed due to signal (use -v to = see invocation) >>>> FreeBSD clang version 11.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git = llvmorg-11.0.1-0-g43ff75f2c3fe) >>>> Target: powerpc64-unknown-freebsd14.0 >>>> Thread model: posix >>>> InstalledDir: /usr/bin >>>> c++: note: diagnostic msg:=20 >>>> ******************** >>>>=20 >>>> PLEASE ATTACH THE FOLLOWING FILES TO THE BUG REPORT: >>>> Preprocessed source(s) and associated run script(s) are located at: >>>> c++: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/ClangTidyPlugin-21aaa2.cpp >>>> c++: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/ClangTidyPlugin-21aaa2.sh >>>> c++: note: diagnostic msg:=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Note: Unfortunately, poudriere does not capture those files >>>> from /tmp/ in the .tbz for the build failure. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> No *.core was left behind in the expanded .tbz . >>> /var/log/messages did not have a line reporting >>> any pid signal lines in the time frame. >>>=20 >>> Repeating the failing command in the expansion of >>> the .tbz did not repeat the problem. >>>=20 >>> It looks to be another example of there being one >>> or more not-readily-repeatable problems occurring. >>>=20 >>> It will be many hours before the new poudriere bulk >>> can get back to that same point, but with just the >>> one builder and the one job for the builder. (Still >>> allowing use of an active process per cpu.) The >>> normal/prior bulk runs were allowing 2 jobs. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Note: /lib/libthr.so.3+0x2f2b4 seems to be in code >>> from the "static void handle_signal . . ." routine. >>>=20 >>=20 >> The devel/llvm10 rebuild attempt is well past the >> [2996/4558] point now: working on [3056/4558] . >> But it looks like it may have 6+ hrs to go to >> complete (if successful). So far: >>=20 >> [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-05_23h31m51s] [parallel_build:] = Queued: 1 Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 1 = Time: 13:01:28 >> [01]: devel/llvm10 | llvm10-10.0.1_3 = build (12:50:05 / 12:59:42) >> [13:02:12] Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/FBSDpowerpc64-default/2021-02-05_23h31= m51s >>=20 >> I've no reasonable way to figure out if the parallel >> activity from letting 2 jobs run (so: higher load >> average) would have made a difference or not. Getting >> a very detailed repetition for such is difficult >> so any variation in what context it failed in makes >> useful comparison/contrast problematical. >>=20 >> But, if this run completes successfully, there will >> be 101 more ports to let poudriere bulk try to build, >> one of which would be devel/llvm11 . >>=20 >=20 > It finished, apparently successfully: >=20 > [17:36:24] Built ports: devel/llvm10 > [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-05_23h31m51s] [committing:] Queued: 1 = Built: 1 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time: = 17:35:40 > [17:36:24] Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/FBSDpowerpc64-default/2021-02-05_23h31= m51s >=20 > I've started the attempt to build what is still pending: >=20 > . . . > [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-06_17h13m39s] [balancing_pool:] = Queued: 101 Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: = 101 Time: 00:02:44 > [00:03:27] Recording filesystem state for prepkg... done > [00:03:27] Building 101 packages using 2 builders > [00:03:27] Starting/Cloning builders > [00:04:15] Hit CTRL+t at any time to see build progress and stats > [00:04:15] [01] [00:00:00] Building graphics/mesa-libs | = mesa-libs-20.2.3 > [00:04:15] [02] [00:00:00] Building devel/llvm11 | llvm11-11.0.0 > . . . The 101 ports built fine. But after updating to be based on 3acea07c1873: # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-freebsd-main.sh=20 merge-base: 3acea07c1873b1e4042f4a4fa8668745ee59f15b merge-base: CommitDate: 2021-02-08 19:15:21 +0000 c1845d00f818 (HEAD -> mm-src) mm-src snapshot for mm's patched build in = git context. 3acea07c1873 (pure-src) Restore the augmented strlen commentary FreeBSD FBSDG5L2 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT = mm-src-n244686-c1845d00f818 GENERIC64vtsc-NODBG-dcons powerpc powerpc64 = 1400004 1400004 I updated /usr/ports and started a rebuild, it showing 44 to be rebuilt. The system crashed while doing (from before the crash): [05:12:43] [02] [00:18:39] Finished devel/git@lite | git-lite-2.30.1: = Success load: 1.22 cmd: sh 46874 [runnable] 0.00r 0.00u 0.00s 0% 0k [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-10_22h25m46s] [parallel_build:] Queued: = 44 Built: 41 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 3 Time: = 08:02:20 [01]: devel/boost-libs | boost-libs-1.72.0_3 = stage (04:05:07 / 05:46:06) [08:03:03] Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/FBSDpowerpc64-default/2021-02-10_22h25= m46s [08:27:48] [01] [06:10:51] Finished devel/boost-libs | = boost-libs-1.72.0_3: Success The crash had no messages, fans going by the time I discovered the status. No ddb access was available. So I again have no evidence beyond the crash itself, this time for the whole system. It is again trying to build the 3 ports that had not finished: [FBSDpowerpc64-default] [2021-02-11_08h31m57s] [balancing_pool:] Queued: = 3 Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Tobuild: 3 Time: = 00:01:15 [00:02:29] Recording filesystem state for prepkg... done [00:02:29] Building 3 packages using 2 builders [00:02:29] Starting/Cloning builders [00:17:48] Hit CTRL+t at any time to see build progress and stats [00:17:48] [01] [00:00:00] Building devel/boost-libs | = boost-libs-1.72.0_3 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 17:50:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095E552FBBE for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Dc40T6JPwz4Zfs for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D6A4C52FB56; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66E752F95F for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc40T5jxcz4Zc3; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF648170F5; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:15 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Mark Millard Cc: "ppc@freebsd.org" , "pkubaj@freebsd.org" , "linimon@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Message-ID: <20210211175015.GA16838@lonesome.com> References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc40T5jxcz4Zc3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:07:10 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:50:18 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:07:03AM -0800, Mark Millard wrote: > Only matters for powerpc64? No such building for 32-bit is normally > done? Right now @FreeBSD.org is only doing package builds for: - 12-quarterly powerpc64 - 14-current powerpc64 e.g. none of the 32-bit variants, and not powerpc64le. mcl From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 18:24:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43C6530F2A for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cam@neo-zeon.de) Received: from neo-zeon.de (neo-zeon.de [IPv6:2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.neo-zeon.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc4ly5SGwz4ch7 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cam@neo-zeon.de) Received: from neo-zeon.de (localhost [::1]) by neo-zeon.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 859e4798 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by neo-zeon.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id ebcbed91 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> From: Cameron Berkenpas Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:24:22 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc4ly5SGwz4ch7 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[neo-zeon.de:s=1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[neo-zeon.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[neo-zeon.de,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:2603:3000::/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:24:31 -0000 I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but maybe this data point is still useful. I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > 14-CURRENT. > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... > > mcl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 19:33:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96472532FBB for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Dc6Hl3h5Yz4j9p for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7E671532DD5; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2F5532FBA for ; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:39 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D228056 Alfredo Dal'Ava Junior changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |Overcome By Events Status|New |Closed --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 19:56:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EA0533B30 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cam@neo-zeon.de) Received: from neo-zeon.de (neo-zeon.de [IPv6:2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.neo-zeon.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc6nx4jfwz4kfm for ; 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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Alfredo_Dal=c2=b4Ava_J=c3=banior?= Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> From: Cameron Berkenpas Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:56:18 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc6nx4jfwz4kfm X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[neo-zeon.de:s=1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2603:3024:15e6:50e0::21:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[neo-zeon.de:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[neo-zeon.de,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:2603:3000::/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:56:22 -0000 No worries, I've been through it twice already with my 2 testing VM's. I am not looking forward to doing it again. :) On 2/11/2021 11:17 AM, Alfredo Dal´Ava Júnior wrote: > Remember upgrading a powerpc64 from 12.x to 13.x requires a full > reinstall due to ABI change during switch from gcc to llvm that makes > it binary-incompatible with older releases (13.0 uses modern > OpenPower ELF V2 ABI). > 13 is definitively better with a modern compiler and many improvements > on kernel, memory management, more drivers ported, including virtio > that you can use with KVM or QEMU to improve network and disk > throughput. > > []'s > Alfredo > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Cameron Berkenpas via freebsd-ppc > wrote: >> I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade >> to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but >> maybe this data point is still useful. >> >> I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per >> host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than >> the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on >> POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. >> >> On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: >>> So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* >>> users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. >>> >>> The problem is that we have limitations on: >>> >>> - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches >>> >>> - human resources trying to support 3 branches >>> >>> The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about >>> dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build >>> 14-CURRENT. >>> >>> How many people will this affect if we do so? >>> >>> fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: >>> >>> - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol >>> >>> and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. >>> >>> (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really >>> support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") >>> >>> How many people will these changes effect? 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To: Mark Linimon Cc: ppc@freebsd.org, pkubaj@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc7jR3Bxwz4mQR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:37:31 -0000 I have a PowerMac G5 (that I got recently) currently running 12. It was an awesome experience to install the system and quickly get going with "pkg install" right after; wasn't expecting binary packages to be available at all. I want to upgrade it to 13 but the last attempt at trying this release's installer failed to boot... need to try again; we'll see. On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:14 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > 14-CURRENT. > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... > > mcl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 20:51:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B070534F8F for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc81R0WFVz4n7b for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E17C52A87E for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D92C27C0054 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:51:22 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrheelgddugeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgfrhhlucfvnfffucdluddtmdenucfjughrpefofg ggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfuehrrghnughonhcuuegv rhhgrhgvnhdfuceosggurhgrghhonheshfhrvggvuefuffdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepteetleffuddvtddtuedvhfefheejvddvgfdvkedvfeethfegkedvkeelveeu vddunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepsg gurhgrghhonhdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidquddtgedvfeeh keeigedqudekuddtkeehuddqsggurhgrghhonheppefhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgsehimh grphdrtggt X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id DBD97CA005D; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:51:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <345b1732-8042-4b1c-b1b5-f062b0d9e6a5@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:51:01 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:51:23 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > I have a PowerMac G5 (that I got recently) currently running 12. It was an > awesome experience to install the system and quickly get going with "pkg > install" right after; wasn't expecting binary packages to be available at > all. > > I want to upgrade it to 13 but the last attempt at trying this release's > installer failed to boot... need to try again; we'll see. This is a known issue with the -BETA1 release that will be fixed in the next beta release. There was an issue that snuck in in December that only affected G5. 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([2603:3005:650a:6b00:ccb3:612c:9b5:4590]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w143sm4859171qka.58.2021.02.11.14.18.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:18:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mehul Sanghvi Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:18:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1EA62C38-45A1-43AE-AAD7-F2A16AA0BB17@gmail.com> References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> Cc: ppc@freebsd.org, pkubaj@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D52) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc9yR4q8Wz4vTt X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:18:56 -0000 I started with FreeBSD-12 on my PowerMac G4 DP. Install was just fine, no issues at all. But for some reason I couldn=E2=80= =99t get pkg working, to install binaries or even doing builds in /use/pkg. I currently run NetBSD on that system and run FreeBSD on and amd64 system. =20= I=E2=80=99d love to have the same OS on both systems, so yes when 13 is avai= lable I wouldn=E2=80=99t mind booting into that. =20 Also my system may be slow but given pointers, I dont mind keeping it active= by having the system run builds to make them available via pkg as binaries.= =20 cheers, mehul -- Sent from my "smart" phone > On Feb 11, 2021, at 02:14, Mark Linimon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFSo I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/p= owerpc* > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. >=20 > The problem is that we have limitations on: >=20 > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches >=20 > - human resources trying to support 3 branches >=20 > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > 14-CURRENT. >=20 > How many people will this affect if we do so? >=20 > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: >=20 > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol >=20 > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. >=20 > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") >=20 > How many people will these changes effect? 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To: Brandon Bergren Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcHlq6Gfyz3n2Y X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:40:08 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:51 PM Brandon Bergren wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > > I have a PowerMac G5 (that I got recently) currently running 12. It was > an > > awesome experience to install the system and quickly get going with "pkg > > install" right after; wasn't expecting binary packages to be available at > > all. > > > > I want to upgrade it to 13 but the last attempt at trying this release's > > installer failed to boot... need to try again; we'll see. > > This is a known issue with the -BETA1 release that will be fixed in the > next beta release. There was an issue that snuck in in December that only > affected G5. It's fixed now in HEAD and stable-13 and the 13.0 release > engineering branch. > > Oh, that's good to know. I might have observed it in one of the ALPHAs given that I tried this last month. Are there any more-recent images available with the fix? I checked the snapshots directory but couldn't see any. And attempting to buildworld from 12 results in: --- dummy.o --- cc -O2 -pipe -fno-common -I/usr/src/tools/build/libc-bootstrap -g -MD -MF.depend.dummy.o -MTdummy.o -std=gnu99 -Wno-format-zero-length -Wsystem-headers -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wunused-parameter -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -Wold-style-definition -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unused-result -I/usr/obj/usr/src/powerpc.powerpc64/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c /usr/src/tools/build/dummy.c -o dummy.o cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-unused-result" *** [dummy.o] Error code 1 which I'm guessing this is because of the ancient gcc 4.2... so what's the magic to rebuild 13, if possible? Thanks -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 02:50:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B34540D01 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcHzT1JSdz3nWW; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19DED2D5DE; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B9E27C0054; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:50:12 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledriedtgdehfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfg hrlhcuvffnffculddutddmnecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreer tdenucfhrhhomhepfdeurhgrnhguohhnuceuvghrghhrvghnfdcuoegsughrrghgohhnse fhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeetteelffduvddttdeuvdfh feehjedvvdfgvdekvdeftefhgeekvdekleevuedvudenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsughrrghgohhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhht hhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqddutdegvdefheekieegqddukedutdekheduqdgsughrrg hgohhnpeephfhrvggvuefuffdrohhrghesihhmrghprdgttg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 27AEDCA005D; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:50:12 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <345b1732-8042-4b1c-b1b5-f062b0d9e6a5@www.fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:49:51 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "Julio Merino" Cc: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:50:13 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > > Oh, that's good to know. I might have observed it in one of the ALPHAs > given that I tried this last month. > > Are there any more-recent images available with the fix? I checked the > snapshots directory but couldn't see any. And attempting to buildworld > from 12 results in: -BETA2 is in the process of being built by the release engineering team and should be out within the next 24 hours. > > --- dummy.o --- > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-common -I/usr/src/tools/build/libc-bootstrap -g -MD > -MF.depend.dummy.o -MTdummy.o -std=gnu99 -Wno-format-zero-length > -Wsystem-headers -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type > -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wunused-parameter > -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Winline -Wnested-externs > -Wredundant-decls -Wold-style-definition -Wno-pointer-sign > -Wno-unused-result > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/powerpc.powerpc64/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c > /usr/src/tools/build/dummy.c -o dummy.o > cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-Wno-unused-result" > *** [dummy.o] Error code 1 > > which I'm guessing this is because of the ancient gcc 4.2... so what's > the magic to rebuild 13, if possible? The magic is undocumented because it's only been accomplished natively by me and one other person, and you end up with a damaged system even when you do accomplish it. It's *much* more straightforward to install from prebuilt bits. -- Brandon Bergren bdragon@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 03:08:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A52C540DC0 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcJNP6lDYz3pQC for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id n28so5797154qtv.12 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:08:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4k1S13v63Kfm5DqRmIUhoePnLuhsfFDaem4x9bfiaxY=; b=vnXGyPYPvijJIYABS2kTZVA9ckwjGtoe/Hu9g7iCqxt8S5x+5kS6k/MQKlfCqmNPDW B3buHs2XFyXVILto02gpDrTN3b8Zh2msKosZeKsvqLKSxu3PeBDpBrs2zGQSIbKYpYhP MRRUFc73f9c8ZMjIrjoguhX6Y4eXFwhlhay9eDsWuQPd5lpc5WvKgTfnmONIsEVMJktN XO3/AsJQ4ALxs8HvXI+imxRTNZJ6eOaL2l03d+DKSrspvhptDo1uWOTIEMRWSuNqI/mB +pki4y8xyQfDH7JilQf04AguLtwe/0juslfgpAypU30pMXwWIKot2F9nnHyr8syfptXL iRKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4k1S13v63Kfm5DqRmIUhoePnLuhsfFDaem4x9bfiaxY=; b=XsJFKuvu9eG3fvA2TExt7fAGz4FK+DAwzJWfEAd6o6NNCytFnAlvsCLFstRzGk9Cs/ 65DNX2Vl73pw5VVUd45aNB/GGuTUHDCX3ONdbsrimR9yV8JDn94OJFtX4tejdnYkt9qX J/0kimVwsLlpBQ0fGy4l+6mGBHYhmrVqjYMaB5mixHGBfkmcYU6y8SYdiXPmyWcpVika 9r7UCD0Iqpp0wUMHgxkOzY0DwYdfihJ4lr+F3a0jFGKE27iOb52saQXZngONb3afQwsp Nzi7UYzJuHmW6Ta2J+HnYIL3xelwkO4dINvT5Jy5blJG3QmdYA78lsGfDbfvs7s8XJC0 42eA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WVeLavzDgliR6Xzz99r3MAVwnx82riVXqfIvXw3K0eiOKeX81 ck+XQb2+9aZA6V/u1PnN0aoDNJ2tSJurz1JXrryQe4LXevSzgj3l X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/nIZM8WC498VR3YWqqf3C+k9+fR++aEjpIDzb0tkHkY4BDWOGUtrx/JMl6h2SxnSVspiWUvBClz3j7JPAv2A= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:93:: with SMTP id o19mr799829qtw.336.1613099300869; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:08:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <345b1732-8042-4b1c-b1b5-f062b0d9e6a5@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Julio Merino Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:08:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? To: Brandon Bergren Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcJNP6lDYz3pQC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:08:22 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 6:50 PM Brandon Bergren wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > > > > Oh, that's good to know. I might have observed it in one of the ALPHAs > > given that I tried this last month. > > > > Are there any more-recent images available with the fix? I checked the > > snapshots directory but couldn't see any. And attempting to buildworld > > from 12 results in: > > -BETA2 is in the process of being built by the release engineering team > and should be out within the next 24 hours. > Excellent; thanks. > which I'm guessing this is because of the ancient gcc 4.2... so what's > > the magic to rebuild 13, if possible? > > The magic is undocumented because it's only been accomplished natively by > me and one other person, and you end up with a damaged system even when you > do accomplish it. It's *much* more straightforward to install from prebuilt > bits. > What kind of brokenness? I noticed that my local patch over stable/12 to fix https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252720 still applies to stable/13, so I'm wondering if that's what you are referring to. -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 03:56:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D16542861 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcKS96QwDz3rnC; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA11E2DA57; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47C27C0054; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:56:41 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledriedtgdeijecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenfg hrlhcuvffnffculddutddmnecujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreer tdenucfhrhhomhepfdeurhgrnhguohhnuceuvghrghhrvghnfdcuoegsughrrghgohhnse fhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefhvdfgtedtueevudejuefg hfekkeejfefgleekleevvdefuefhleevfeelledutdenucffohhmrghinhepfhhrvggvsg hsugdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhr ohhmpegsughrrghgohhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqddutd egvdefheekieegqddukedutdekheduqdgsughrrghgohhnpeephfhrvggvuefuffdrohhr ghesihhmrghprdgttg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 47D3DCA005D; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2be9160d-cd4f-46a8-8fbc-c6fe3e821c08@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <345b1732-8042-4b1c-b1b5-f062b0d9e6a5@www.fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:56:20 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "Julio Merino" Cc: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:56:42 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > > The magic is undocumented because it's only been accomplished natively by me and one other person, and you end up with a damaged system even when you do accomplish it. It's *much* more straightforward to install from prebuilt bits. > > What kind of brokenness? A system that contains a mixed set of headers and libraries until you successfully boot into it and make delete-old-files / delete-old-libs on it. Here's the basic idea regarding bootstrapping across the ELFv2 transition point: A) you have to bootstrap a toolchain from ports to even start, as gcc 4.2 does not support a new enough c++ standard to compile llvm/clang. You must then build using a toolchain file. The build you do with it will differ slightly from a native build. You will also likely have to patch a few things to get the world to compile with the external toolchain. B) you *must* do the install to an alternate root filesystem which is not the one you booted from. You must then boot into that filesystem and install again to your main filesystem. An attempt to install to the root filesystem you are booted from WILL crash in the middle, as the libraries are completely incompatible with each other and you will end up with an unusable mess when make invariably crashes out and leaves you in a shell that cannot even run ls without manually calling the /rescue copy. (at this point you end up without a working make, so there's no way to recover.) C) After that, you need to do ANOTHER build to ensure that the system is compiled with the new system compiler. And then rebootstrap pkg and rebuild all your ports. And make sure you tidied up old files. Given that you have to rebuild the world more than once and can't directly install the result, it's really not worth it IMO. I had started on some notes at https://wiki.freebsd.org/powerpc/llvm-elfv2 to do this process, but I never finished it because it was decided that we were only going to support doing a reinstall due to the difficulty of supporting people attempting to do the process. > > I noticed that my local patch over stable/12 to fix > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=252720 still applies > to stable/13, so I'm wondering if that's what you are referring to. > > -- > jmmv.dev GCC 4.2.1 is completely gone for stable/13, the FreeBSD 13 toolchain is llvm-based. Which was the reason for the ELFv2 ABI change in the first place -- the lld linker only supports ELFv2, so we had to transition ABIs. And the old binutils/gcc predated ELFv2 entirely, so it is a clean break, as neither side could compile stuff that ran on the other side -- the transition happened in December 2019, and the officially supported way to cross the boundary is to reinstall from a newer installer. By the way, this is also the reason that there is no FreeBSD 13 for sparc64 -- nobody put in the necessary work to transition it to the llvm toolchain, so the entire sparc64 port was deleted from the tree. 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[]'s Alfredo On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Cameron Berkenpas via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade > to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but > maybe this data point is still useful. > > I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per > host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than > the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on > POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. > > On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* > > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > > 14-CURRENT. > > > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > > > How many people will these changes effect? 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I use CDs/DVDs to install and I don= 't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. - d ________________________________ From: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org on beha= lf of Alfredo Dal?Ava J?nior Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:17 AM To: Cameron Berkenpas Cc: FreeBSD PowerPC ML Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Remember upgrading a powerpc64 from 12.x to 13.x requires a full reinstall due to ABI change during switch from gcc to llvm that makes it binary-incompatible with older releases (13.0 uses modern OpenPower ELF V2 ABI). 13 is definitively better with a modern compiler and many improvements on kernel, memory management, more drivers ported, including virtio that you can use with KVM or QEMU to improve network and disk throughput. []'s Alfredo On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:24 PM Cameron Berkenpas via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > I have 2 server's (kvm instances) running on POWER9 that I will upgrade > to 13.0-RELEASE as soon as it's released. I know you asked about 12, but > maybe this data point is still useful. > > I have 2 FreeBSD 13 VM's across 2 physical POWER9 hosts (so 1 VM per > host) that I've been using to follow the development of 13. Other than > the occasional hiccup, 13 seems quite a bit a bit better than 12.2 on > POWER especially after the switch from gcc to llvm settled down. > > On 2/10/21 2:39 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > > So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc= * > > users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. > > > > The problem is that we have limitations on: > > > > - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches > > > > - human resources trying to support 3 branches > > > > The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about > > dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build > > 14-CURRENT. > > > > How many people will this affect if we do so? > > > > fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: > > > > - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol > > > > and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. > > > > (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really > > support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") > > > > How many people will these changes effect? 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Visit the following link = to report this email as spam: https://modusCloud.cloud-protect.net/index01.php?mod_id=3D11&mod_option=3Dl= ogitem&mail_id=3D1613110764-CBdcO9idmcdQ&r_address=3Ddamonz%40ocp.org&repor= t=3D1 From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 13:53:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC0254E408 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DcZht5xHlz4t5h for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id CBB8D54DED6; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7A254E3B2 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcZht0DXWz4tHv for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.099, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 11CDrRmh014684 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 11CDrRmh014684 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:53:28 -0500 To: ppc@freebsd.org From: Dennis Clarke Subject: Test of FreeBSD-13.0-ALPHA3-powerpc-powerpc64-20210129-40cb0344eb2-256214-disc1.iso.xz Message-ID: <8348beb1-06f4-6b65-cf62-74c81dcf31f6@blastwave.org> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:53:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcZht0DXWz4tHv X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ppc]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:53:35 -0000 Just a tiny note from me to let you know that I did just test the installer image : FreeBSD-13.0-ALPHA3-powerpc-powerpc64-20210129-40cb0344eb2-256214-disc1.iso.xz Seen at https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/13.0 Wherein the boot process halts nearly immediately with a "decrementer" error and some hex and then fans roaring. So that is not helpful but at least I tried. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 14:03:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8B154E688 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcZwt046hz4tm1 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E4AF826C3 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC71D27C0054 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:03:57 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledriedugdehlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecufghrlhcuvffnffculddutddmnecujfgurhepofgfgg fkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdeurhgrnhguohhnuceuvghr ghhrvghnfdcuoegsughrrghgohhnsefhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeetteelffduvddttdeuvdfhfeehjedvvdfgvdekvdeftefhgeekvdekleevuedv udenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsug hrrghgohhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqddutdegvdefheek ieegqddukedutdekheduqdgsughrrghgohhnpeephfhrvggvuefuffdrohhrghesihhmrg hprdgttg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2F8D4CA005D; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:03:36 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:03:58 -0000 On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Damon Zwolinski wrote: > I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install and I > don't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. > > - d Make sure and do it with -BETA2 when it's out instead of using an earlier version -- there was a bug introduced in December that was only recently fixed that broke boot on G5, and -BETA2 will be the first version to contain the fix. The images should hopefully be available sometime today. -- Brandon Bergren bdragon@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 14:04:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105DF54E4D4 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcZxn6pkmz4tgY for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: bdragon/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCD611F54 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdragon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15C27C0054 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap38 ([10.202.2.88]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:04:45 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledriedugdeitdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecufghrlhcuvffnffculddutddmnecujfgurhepofgfgg fkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdeurhgrnhguohhnuceuvghr ghhrvghnfdcuoegsughrrghgohhnsefhrhgvvgeuufffrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeehieeikeekffekleekleegtefgledttefghfduteeikeevfedvhfeggfffudej gfenucffohhmrghinhepfhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsughrrghgohhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhht hhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqddutdegvdefheekieegqddukedutdekheduqdgsughrrg hgohhnpeephfhrvggvuefuffdrohhrghesihhmrghprdgttg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 90764CA005D; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:04:44 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-141-gf094924a34-fm-20210210.001-gf094924a Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <085fabae-8d4e-45c5-9729-400e64c5f94f@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8348beb1-06f4-6b65-cf62-74c81dcf31f6@blastwave.org> References: <8348beb1-06f4-6b65-cf62-74c81dcf31f6@blastwave.org> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:24 -0600 From: "Brandon Bergren" To: "FreeBSD PowerPC ML" Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Test_of_FreeBSD-13.0-ALPHA3-powerpc-powerpc64-20210129-40c?= =?UTF-8?Q?b0344eb2-256214-disc1.iso.xz?= Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:04:46 -0000 On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc wrote: > > Just a tiny note from me to let you know that I did just test the > installer image : > > FreeBSD-13.0-ALPHA3-powerpc-powerpc64-20210129-40cb0344eb2-256214-disc1.iso.xz > > Seen at https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/13.0 > > Wherein the boot process halts nearly immediately with a "decrementer" > error and some hex and then fans roaring. > > So that is not helpful but at least I tried. Known issue. There was a bug introduced in December that broke boot on G5. The -BETA2 images which should be available shortly will contain the fix. > > -- > Dennis Clarke > RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC > UNIX and Linux spoken > GreyBeard and suspenders optional -- Brandon Bergren bdragon@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 18:21:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265EA52C1AF for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DchdS00jJz3j2H for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id F423B52C147; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F0352C381 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DchdR6f1vz3jTJ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:20:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF36C170FD; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:20:55 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Mehul Sanghvi Cc: ppc@freebsd.org, pkubaj@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Message-ID: <20210212182055.GA17398@lonesome.com> References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <1EA62C38-45A1-43AE-AAD7-F2A16AA0BB17@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1EA62C38-45A1-43AE-AAD7-F2A16AA0BB17@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DchdR6f1vz3jTJ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:23:33 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:21:00 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 05:18:53PM -0500, Mehul Sanghvi wrote: > But for some reason I couldn’t get pkg working, to install binaries > or even doing builds in /use/pkg. Hmm. Most of us who have powerpc machines have never had this problem ... ... is this a 32-bit system? If so, that is why; we have never built official packages for anything other than powerpc64 (64-bit, big-endian). mcl From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 04:10:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D7053D9DF for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcxjL29k8z4v7x for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.218, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, NICE_REPLY_A -0.12, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 11D4A35S004006 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 11D4A35S004006 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:10:04 -0500 Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:10:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcxjL29k8z4v7x X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:15 -0000 On 2/12/21 9:03 AM, Brandon Bergren wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Damon Zwolinski wrote: >> I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install and I >> don't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. >> >> - d > > Make sure and do it with -BETA2 when it's out instead of using an earlier version -- there was a bug introduced in December that was only recently fixed that broke boot on G5, and -BETA2 will be the first version to contain the fix. > > The images should hopefully be available sometime today. > I am about to jump on this. Thank you. Do we still need to do some fiddling at boot with kern.smp.disabled=1 and/or set usefdt=1 ? I seem to recall something odd about the old PowerMac G5 units not allowing multiple processor cores. Regardless I will get that test going now. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 04:44:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2685353E964 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcySR2PtTz3DRK for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julio@meroh.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id t63so1754084qkc.1 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:44:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=meroh.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=W92xZfsqwhwWEXr/52t8U3qP9pbvEs/cQb6qPdjYQUA=; b=Wd9R9JwjIY8cryZHdILH9UthuzBrIqHj299TGhlt0gjj2Ch7hMMKH1BoCM0jz//9t0 U8tIkQXYPWJMi9NpMX4AiCBZAhi7uujKSq7ViWKJMC0QPf1rvzp/5j9MNm6GBwLWSG9l E/z1c4ensA0ioz4r6QJnQpkg8W8hhwqfV+2+/Krb5CcFCts6afAatJcbnzkCbXQsZKwc UseZoa+ykXaULhyKIyXPvTSgY1XxFOVHcQQG11+K8GibTx/D5wIEZ3jA4lhWY7dls2nx LZew33Grnah1h0U6ZmCLtS5fJu9EirfYpWENAAiJurPUL6LUiAyYeGzisEKvF0CycyQA 4ayA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=W92xZfsqwhwWEXr/52t8U3qP9pbvEs/cQb6qPdjYQUA=; b=p0h0yfuShq1qKED3ELLClVwdtGAk8N+Vg80cR4BEIzrEft3i93v2PuP+JdVQR5LMKP 0KfMda+WroUet7XVpjgtapl5OgBhGNwP+rdPENRebWIKiShcpoSKnXhbYKA3YPpXFHvB bou+Hbx5W3wScc81l4Dfekz/4dVnytgt8zrILs7vdvgLRwaGD+G/yNFg9JGq3v8f3oyP udIwMhcd/m6r+XaDhP/XKKO4PyOSRpJCHpat+huzBh5x3Fr+xIniIvsBBXptmEhBt6g3 +mpV85/pCUnndvroIRVi0CjlHW7VQSKwXqka8NsgB+7umSgIGy8QSntH8cv/U6Oqt1jX A9zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532USwP26uUpoWbBc36m2w38Vy4OM59rMFucC/1zC3b5gGIJcTpT weBLbQeQqVqhWFPEKYmsZUaIOADZYJkyAFk7mjtpL2y/d+EKDA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz4SOQP6GM8AJlm/JejyuDbDgq0jW2TKh/ktiGonve68i7Jq6iega+rI/xRk2BE6qKMvf9wWnHnIAsQGKOuwBc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:bf04:: with SMTP id p4mr1534765qkf.459.1613191445668; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:44:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> In-Reply-To: <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> From: Julio Merino Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:43:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? To: Dennis Clarke Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcySR2PtTz3DRK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=meroh.net header.s=google header.b=Wd9R9Jwj; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of julio@meroh.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=julio@meroh.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[meroh.net:s=google]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[meroh.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[meroh.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:44:08 -0000 On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 8:10 PM Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc < freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> wrote: > On 2/12/21 9:03 AM, Brandon Bergren wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Damon Zwolinski wrote: > >> I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install and I > >> don't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. > >> > >> - d > > > > Make sure and do it with -BETA2 when it's out instead of using an > earlier version -- there was a bug introduced in December that was only > recently fixed that broke boot on G5, and -BETA2 will be the first version > to contain the fix. > > > > The images should hopefully be available sometime today. > > > > I am about to jump on this. Thank you. Do we still need to do some > fiddling at boot with kern.smp.disabled=1 and/or set usefdt=1 ? > > I seem to recall something odd about the old PowerMac G5 units not > allowing multiple processor cores. > I just upgraded my dual-processor G5 to 13-BETA2 and it's working well without any workarounds like the one you describe. (I do get occasional freezes though which I haven't been able to pinpoint, which seem to happen soon after boot sometimes. But they also happened with 12.2, so no surprises there.) I'm just now missing the prebuilt packages this thread was asking about. Maybe I should have waited a little bit to upgrade! -- jmmv.dev From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 05:39:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEE2540763 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dczhr0mR9z3J2R for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:39:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.218, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, NICE_REPLY_A -0.12, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 11D5dnsQ006948 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 11D5dnsQ006948 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:39:51 -0500 Subject: Re: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? To: Julio Merino Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> From: Dennis Clarke Message-ID: <0e5c474b-7fce-0846-f03b-7dfa695e82a5@blastwave.org> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:39:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dczhr0mR9z3J2R X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[108.160.241.186:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:39:57 -0000 On 2/12/21 11:43 PM, Julio Merino wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 8:10 PM Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc < > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> On 2/12/21 9:03 AM, Brandon Bergren wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Damon Zwolinski wrote: >>>> I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install and I >>>> don't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this weekend. >>>> >>>> - d >>> >>> Make sure and do it with -BETA2 when it's out instead of using an >> earlier version -- there was a bug introduced in December that was only >> recently fixed that broke boot on G5, and -BETA2 will be the first version >> to contain the fix. >>> >>> The images should hopefully be available sometime today. >>> >> >> I am about to jump on this. Thank you. Do we still need to do some >> fiddling at boot with kern.smp.disabled=1 and/or set usefdt=1 ? >> >> I seem to recall something odd about the old PowerMac G5 units not >> allowing multiple processor cores. >> > > I just upgraded my dual-processor G5 to 13-BETA2 and it's working well > without any workarounds like the one you describe. How did you do the install? My quad G5 is in a screaming fan loop right now. The installer seems to boot up fine to a point where sata devices are being discovered. Then the screaming fans begin. > > (I do get occasional freezes though which I haven't been able to pinpoint, > which seem to happen soon after boot sometimes. But they also happened with > 12.2, so no surprises there.) OKay. So what you are saying is that the beta2 is broken still on these old machines. Got it. I will try : set debug.rman_debug=1 set debug.verbose_sysinit=1 set usefdt=1 and then boot -v per Bug 238730 which was "fixed". See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=238730 Also if you are curious : https://beta.genunix.com/freebsd/ppc64/freebsd_13.0_beta2_fans_screaming_20210213002813.jpg At this point the only option is to hit the power button and give a try at some boot options. 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From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:08:07 -0800 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> <72c3d9eb-12c1-4a3c-9a0a-6646e3a755fd@www.fastmail.com> <98a48c56-f350-9858-7924-4405197fcaf0@blastwave.org> To: Dennis Clarke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd0KW0PLWz3Kl5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.69.146:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.69.146:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.146:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.146:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:08:16 -0000 On 2021-Feb-12, at 20:10, Dennis Clarke via freebsd-ppc wrote: > On 2/12/21 9:03 AM, Brandon Bergren wrote: >>=20 >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Damon Zwolinski wrote: >>> I have three G5s that are still on 10. I use CDs/DVDs to install = and I=20 >>> don't think I could get 12 to work that way. I'll try 13 this = weekend. >>>=20 >>> - d >>=20 >> Make sure and do it with -BETA2 when it's out instead of using an = earlier version -- there was a bug introduced in December that was only = recently fixed that broke boot on G5, and -BETA2 will be the first = version to contain the fix. >>=20 >> The images should hopefully be available sometime today. >>=20 >=20 > I am about to jump on this. Thank you. Do we still need to do some > fiddling at boot with kern.smp.disabled=3D1 and/or set usefdt=3D1 ? Nothing has been done about the multi-socket/multi-core PowerMac G5's and G4's ending up with processes stuck sleeping for long periods. The times used for sleeping and such on the various cores are still not sufficiently well matched across cores (other than accidentally for some boots). The fans are from pmac_thermal sleeping longer than it should, for example. bufdaemon and bufspacedaemon timeouts noticed at shutdown are from those being stuck-waiting as well. > I seem to recall something odd about the old PowerMac G5 units not > allowing multiple processor cores. There still are problems, more than just the sleeping too long issue. > Regardless I will get that test going now. >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 23:39:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5680D53F17B for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mehul.sanghvi@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DdRfb0fTzz3kNJ for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mehul.sanghvi@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 114D553F905; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1109E53F7BD for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mehul.sanghvi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DdRfY4kj8z3kCk; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mehul.sanghvi@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2d.google.com with SMTP id 2so1619488qvd.0; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:39:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=f8ewMpzC3zVhYqkc9Ky1u4a2d7E8TV1Of4d/5rRzNCk=; b=NDoKScA3OD6TPdZAZqrKJFXn6gsla05rzwYRKXUbDYZMayPr3ml46KgVfgRs7/D8Sp oLPKp4C5EBrqspkfIf014QI1utZ/CSlYvEuTgR26lB4nk+0puoa0IbNnUVtnx8+p1+lO 9Obb0c8EdiFUzoxZNP7Nlnln0ENMqLm/yojZkjNLN92gdiXI77ELX8H1YyaGqj4lAHtI wbowa7VdyyBWFYKQpWT10gEmDxrrRDS3oN8Au4oCKpB2jKVL0dyd7MYCtaQnrWEyIEYB 7WMG/fxKYOVgpmRcwRQHAIPIlnX+QXgDnh4O3vJbu7Ytaa33eElR3aXhWMBWfcR53RDv wAIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=f8ewMpzC3zVhYqkc9Ky1u4a2d7E8TV1Of4d/5rRzNCk=; b=cY7E+5jfalWzZiqsbY2wBgBHwUNtKc4iTcJIjSQDHhCPqAnCCRmQtDx/ZhR7f6YbAO MLr7ga1vuYPbEEtaXGSq67i1tAYcSvCtKEB06b8JiUNBya5tDQkNFA8zNT5GTUykb6S/ x+wipTVXnZGNCEfBzrsPwWt49t/vnNnqlaHGXSxjew46W+GvCAzf/cMrLcd9cI4BJI2S MSdwuKEXPkkgD/QSqCWbp0i7AhNNOhmlF8lXp45+y26qcw7ipNFbHbKTnnofXomz/2Vb GcSF+x+Lea9h8P+Cud8a+E7D7Jlcwd50FCYGbeB7nM2xYrk00tAXbuJR5tL35HAg0F1p LP2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531PGbz8r6CLh6edi9rfN6pRhudkKwww7hjPFvZ1pwtAvlrKo4xs QuzgWUVKBjlVKR9bQC1eU/DXr4nXJKM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyhJa9HuI22OdhqwZ4QV/Uzr/pQLXfj1lkfo6sQhfVL96fOHyvUWAvM6dy0CAsKdslHkRwoYQ== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:4693:: with SMTP id bq19mr8854938qvb.43.1613259572303; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2603:3005:650a:6b00:cc85:e7c0:4811:37b0? 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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:39:31 -0500 Message-Id: <19DE1938-D52B-47E9-B996-C822AAB3DD41@gmail.com> References: <20210212182055.GA17398@lonesome.com> Cc: ppc@freebsd.org, pkubaj@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20210212182055.GA17398@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D52) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DdRfY4kj8z3kCk X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NDoKScA3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mehulsanghvi@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mehulsanghvi@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.62 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.121]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ppc] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:39:35 -0000 Yes this is a 32 bit PowerMac G4. I guess that explains things. I do plan to get a 64-bit PPC at some point this year so would be going to Fre= eBSD first since it seems like there is PPC64 support. cheers, mehul -- Sent from my "smart" phone > On Feb 12, 2021, at 13:20, Mark Linimon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 05:18:53PM -0500, Mehul Sanghvi wrote: >> But for some reason I couldn=E2=80=99t get pkg working, to install binari= es >> or even doing builds in /use/pkg. >=20 > Hmm. Most of us who have powerpc machines have never had this problem ...= >=20 > ... is this a 32-bit system? If so, that is why; we have never built > official packages for anything other than powerpc64 (64-bit, big-endian). >=20 > mcl