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In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 19:40:58 -0700 Cc: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> References: To: Jason Bacon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FrBrw6GJBz3Lrq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yahoo.com header.s=s2048 header.b=tTLvm9IB; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=yahoo.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marklmi@yahoo.com designates 98.137.68.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marklmi@yahoo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Reply-To: marklmi@yahoo.com From: Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc X-Original-From: Mark Millard X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2021-May-20, at 17:26, Jason Bacon wrote: > What's the plan for 13.0 powerpc64 packages? >=20 > I have a Mac G5 I was using for port testing, but since upgrading to = 13.0-RELEASE, there haven't been any binary packages for it. Building = everything from source takes too long. https://pkg.freebsd.org has a link to: =E2=80=A2 FreeBSD:13:powerpc64 ( = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A13%3Apowerpc64 ) There the dates on things indicate that quarterly is newer than latest. meta.txz is reported as having date/time: 2021-May-20 07:07 (as seen in the time zone I'm in). https://pkg-status.freebsd.org shows that jail 130powerpc64 started building on Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT and reached stopped:done: status, taking an elapsed time of 34:06:48 . It also reports that the server was: pylon . But the linked page: = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:quarterly:130powerpc64:cdf5b= fe36fe5:pylon reports only 1976 ports built of the only 4340 that were queued for that specific build. There was another jail that built far more: 130releng-powerpc64 is indicated to have built 23522 of the 30700 queued. It is listed as started on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT, having reached a status of stopped:crashed:, with an elapsed time of 73:28:43 . Also pylon. It appears that http://pylon.nyi.freebsd.org is not currently accessible. This limits what can be investigated. I would guess that: https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:powerpc64/quarterly/packagesite.txz would give a clue what should be accessible via quarterly. It is listed as being 6058988 Bytes in size. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From nobody Fri May 28 18:33:38 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57072C7D34D; Fri, 28 May 2021 18:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@portsmon.org) Received: from MTA-07-4.privateemail.com (mta-07-4.privateemail.com [68.65.122.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FsCxg4YnDz4Td3; Fri, 28 May 2021 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@portsmon.org) Received: from MTA-07.privateemail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MTA-07.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6227860107; Fri, 28 May 2021 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from APP-02 (unknown [10.50.14.152]) by MTA-07.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 32AAF60102; Fri, 28 May 2021 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 13:33:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "linimon@portsmon.org linimon@portsmon.org" To: "freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" Cc: "linimon@FreeBSD.org" , "pkubaj@FreeBSD.org" , "portmgr@FreeBSD.org" Message-ID: <2110482776.341373.1622226818173@privateemail.com> Subject: CFD: the future of ports on powerpc64/12 and powerpc64/11 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ppc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.4-Rev23 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FsCxg4YnDz4Td3 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@portsmon.org designates 68.65.122.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@portsmon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[68.65.122.27:from]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[linimon]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:68.65.122.0/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[portsmon.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[68.65.122.27:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.65.122.27:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22612, ipnet:68.65.122.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports,freebsd-ppc]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[68.65.122.27:from] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N [attempting re-send from a properly subscribed-to address.] For a long time I have been attempting to keep ports building on powerpc64/12. This, along with mips*/12, is still stuck on having GCC4.2.1 in base. (Of course, in 13/14, we are based on clang.) (I have not even looked at the state of ports on 11 in over a year.) Although most of the individual problems are not that hard to fix or work around, the fact is that I have become overwhelmed by the number of them. This is both for existing ports where updates switch to taking advantage of c11 or c++11 (or later) features, but, most notably, for the number of new ports added every week. The problems noticed in the last 1-2 months are: math/openblas (I am told there is an upstream fix) math/mpdecimal (affects lang/python* but it can be worked around) math/clp devel/indi devel/py-gobject3 (also affects python) print/libraqm tl;dr: I intend to stop working on ports testing on powerpc64/12. (fwiw, pkubaj@ has already moved on to 13.) If anyone wants to pick this task up, please contact me. But at this point it is simply taking too much of my time, on which I already have demands I cannot fulfill. mcl From nobody Fri May 28 19:59:05 2021 X-Original-To: ppc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670DDD7E20E for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 19:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FsFrM50ZTz4gym for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 19:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) X-Spam-Status: No X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-oetec-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.6, required 6, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, DKIM_SIGNED 0.10, DKIM_VALID -0.10, DKIM_VALID_AU -0.10, DKIM_VALID_EF -0.10, LOTS_OF_MONEY 0.00, MONEY_NOHTML 2.50, NICE_REPLY_A -0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 14SJx50F002233 X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact oetec for more information Received: from [172.16.35.2] (cpeac202e7325b3-cmac202e7325b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.170.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPSA id 14SJx50F002233 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:59:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blastwave.org; s=default; t=1622231947; bh=X1jcO5aLsunZP59UOntTy9nJtCyuqSJVujeA0baaCGE=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=pJw46DSd0U3xtd7/xONhv55fJPTjL3ZDLTWNpDUsAXiWFuMqWMJEDZRSTWeDsVVb4 MvVbbh4SiLqSMsedwt+JhQBGYx0jp6g61T1YgAGOEz7Q/Ymeosfi0EQk1tSVBytx8P T/27RfdzBsxSBY0/8hO91nPzxygderrGIcRU03aVtMXr0l8tGVSbQIbV0EblTCiZ4h nvKmR+/o1bxZ706fjxScu71as6AjEFCunC9+uPNHEnml+LllNRLzx3zNlWrlxgAKwY TkyiR7gtLPmvBQVq9Hr6alJimDUYl+ev7sdyZFssl8mR3uXpeusA3k0onm9plCigYc aOXJybeP9mPMg== Message-ID: <5a7c7b77-f64c-0254-e323-5c83646d13a4@blastwave.org> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 15:59:05 -0400 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ppc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:89.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/89.0 Subject: Re: CFD: the future of ports on powerpc64/12 and powerpc64/11 Content-Language: en-US To: ppc@freebsd.org References: <2110482776.341373.1622226818173@privateemail.com> In-Reply-To: <2110482776.341373.1622226818173@privateemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FsFrM50ZTz4gym X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=blastwave.org header.s=default header.b=pJw46DSd; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=blastwave.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dclarke@blastwave.org designates 108.160.241.186 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dclarke@blastwave.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ppc@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[108.160.241.186:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ppc]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[99.253.170.241:received] Reply-To: dclarke@blastwave.org From: Dennis Clarke via ppc X-Original-From: Dennis Clarke X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/28/21 14:33, linimon@portsmon.org linimon@portsmon.org wrote: > [attempting re-send from a properly subscribed-to address.] > > For a long time I have been attempting to keep ports building on > powerpc64/12. This, along with mips*/12, is still stuck on having > GCC4.2.1 in base. (Of course, in 13/14, we are based on clang.) > > (I have not even looked at the state of ports on 11 in over a year.) > > Although most of the individual problems are not that hard to fix or > work around, the fact is that I have become overwhelmed by the number > of them. This is both for existing ports where updates switch to taking > advantage of c11 or c++11 (or later) features, but, most notably, for > the number of new ports added every week. > > The problems noticed in the last 1-2 months are: > > math/openblas (I am told there is an upstream fix) > math/mpdecimal (affects lang/python* but it can be worked around) > math/clp > devel/indi > devel/py-gobject3 (also affects python) > print/libraqm > While I do applaud your efforts and am thankful that FreeBSD even exists on the ppc64 ( big endian? ) platform I suspect there are very few actual users of 12.x in the wild. If any. I guess traffic out of ports may reveal some statistics. I have tried to use FreeBSD 13 and of course CURRENT on an old PowerMac quad PPC970MP. The results a very underwhelming given that there is no way to use more than a single CPU core. That has been discussed and explained in depth here before. I do not see that ever being fixed as the much more popular POWER8 and POWER9 based systems are a far better target to focus on. In short, dropping support on powerpc64/12 seems perfectly reasonable. Unless of course someone with a spare million dollars shows up at the door and really wants these things to work. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional From nobody Fri May 28 20:36:41 2021 X-Original-To: ppc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD728D7EE9D for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 20:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FsGgc6S4rz4jgZ for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 20:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id 76so5370550qkn.13 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XlHXBDSbutJYXHuE18mD58+vQbHao/Z9GIucXUyQjhg=; b=X1/3n1aERGrdIMLZwJtxGgrL412C4d4aDkp7w6p+CPNQP1oE3bc0O5kpIEy3OaeVKH TXpR8Jnljvz+t5bakJPRLwuT7tMAuxhi84+OXtbNTDmpWZuhg+a3FKIuhGv+vcGplnq7 FEKPS3vPyoIf8maGTqtdrhktgCw7/KxKiammDdswJ1G8t+2Gw42O0Fgeo/7fmFej5ufj k4A81yygdrqw5txdVqMZIMrNW2k9j2PZbMZfJVV1piwpElY3/0Y2BOqIf5U8UKPmKBSz 97gjgAv3HN4Ft3RHPLJiQ64qsfA5FLxVZ++7sx8Ko4o0VOCqbFx8jhlW32zqJPeSOa46 hVyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XlHXBDSbutJYXHuE18mD58+vQbHao/Z9GIucXUyQjhg=; b=SCAEklN7n1lBTMIcZh5wA04/ikmgNP3xVn/g5SEP7JD5HQk2rZjBGxmWJi0rBxzZS1 ijhOcoNQn97TBtKMiOFKEtjUT8ctUGz8GbkfXttPfIdKjkBg7CRCTPev4NvxtEGGCyU+ bN/ELV13J266KlLlRrIA8f+/jU1Ffwe8HaVHxFHt02QPkTflrDuSewprhaSUmI1AiuT3 fOEwwEGb3eFvlup2dOJJq4hhlP96g8hAJTVPevLnRN2w+ILUxQBo1pNLjthut+7CjHfQ SnWBn12PDuiYJyMFijth/zoo9SNRNjInvUQp1DAvViWwoIyxWF8JsudzLNpkydvKd7GH V9rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531NOgwySkqYWFwY3sFAdzqHNf542J14QrwarlcfkqABIH5AoBYF tnHrPS/pIOXuJ1MLh41pJqQ9wlFGU8woRQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzg/xa7t56v+owcANfmJukelwUI+h2Yd9EkAumgtLb7V/tHac0y/bKWafhxvzyfIVDmxq7Odg== X-Received: by 2002:ae9:f30b:: with SMTP id p11mr5736243qkg.322.1622234203364; Fri, 28 May 2021 13:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from coral.acadix.biz (2603-6000-a401-3a00-0223-24ff-fe37-c4d7.res6.spectrum.com. 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This, along with mips*/12, is still stuck on having > GCC4.2.1 in base. (Of course, in 13/14, we are based on clang.) > > (I have not even looked at the state of ports on 11 in over a year.) > > Although most of the individual problems are not that hard to fix or > work around, the fact is that I have become overwhelmed by the number > of them. This is both for existing ports where updates switch to taking > advantage of c11 or c++11 (or later) features, but, most notably, for > the number of new ports added every week. > > The problems noticed in the last 1-2 months are: > > math/openblas (I am told there is an upstream fix) > math/mpdecimal (affects lang/python* but it can be worked around) > math/clp > devel/indi > devel/py-gobject3 (also affects python) > print/libraqm > > tl;dr: I intend to stop working on ports testing on powerpc64/12. > > (fwiw, pkubaj@ has already moved on to 13.) > > If anyone wants to pick this task up, please contact me. But at > this point it is simply taking too much of my time, on which I > already have demands I cannot fulfill. > > mcl > I'm all for reallocating scarce and valuable man-hours to more sustainable and marketable products. Now that we have a modern clang-based powerpc platform, I see very little reason to continue sinking time into legacy tier-2 platforms based on an antiquated compiler. -- Earth is a beta site. 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To: Mark Millard Cc: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" References: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> From: Jason Bacon Message-ID: <200faa1c-6153-1e2f-d3a1-f76eaf83284a@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 19:52:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ppc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FsNLK4Yx4z3JXy X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=uAzR1NG5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bacon4000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::735 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bacon4000@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/26/21 9:40 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2021-May-20, at 17:26, Jason Bacon wrote: >=20 >=20 >> What's the plan for 13.0 powerpc64 packages? >> >> I have a Mac G5 I was using for port testing, but since upgrading to 1= 3.0-RELEASE, there haven't been any binary packages for it. Building eve= rything from source takes too long. >=20 > https://pkg.freebsd.org has a link to: >=20 > =E2=80=A2 FreeBSD:13:powerpc64 ( https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A13%3= Apowerpc64 ) >=20 > There the dates on things indicate that quarterly is newer > than latest. meta.txz is reported as having date/time: >=20 > 2021-May-20 07:07 >=20 > (as seen in the time zone I'm in). >=20 > https://pkg-status.freebsd.org shows that jail 130powerpc64 started > building on Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT and reached stopped:done: > status, taking an elapsed time of 34:06:48 . It also reports that > the server was: pylon . >=20 > But the linked page: >=20 > https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:quarterly:130powerpc64:cd= f5bfe36fe5:pylon >=20 > reports only 1976 ports built of the only 4340 that were queued > for that specific build. >=20 > There was another jail that built far more: 130releng-powerpc64 is > indicated to have built 23522 of the 30700 queued. It is listed > as started on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT, having reached a > status of stopped:crashed:, with an elapsed time of 73:28:43 . > Also pylon. >=20 > It appears that http://pylon.nyi.freebsd.org is not currently > accessible. This limits what can be investigated. >=20 > I would guess that: >=20 > https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:powerpc64/quarterly/packagesite.txz >=20 > would give a clue what should be accessible via quarterly. > It is listed as being 6058988 Bytes in size. >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > ( dsl-only.net went > away in early 2018-Mar) >=20 Thanks for the status update. I'm actually more curious about the=20 intentions for the future, though. Are there plans to build current=20 and/or quarterly packages for 13.0 on a regular rotation? Is it just a=20 matter of manpower and hardware to get it rolling? Will support for big-endian wane as the focus shifts to LE? Best, JB --=20 Earth is a beta site. 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In-Reply-To: <200faa1c-6153-1e2f-d3a1-f76eaf83284a@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 21:49:50 -0700 Cc: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> <200faa1c-6153-1e2f-d3a1-f76eaf83284a@gmail.com> To: Jason Bacon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FsTck0kdrz3kjw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Reply-To: marklmi@yahoo.com From: Mark Millard via freebsd-ppc X-Original-From: Mark Millard X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2021-May-28, at 17:52, Jason Bacon wrote: > On 5/26/21 9:40 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >> On 2021-May-20, at 17:26, Jason Bacon wrote: >>> What's the plan for 13.0 powerpc64 packages? >>>=20 >>> I have a Mac G5 I was using for port testing, but since upgrading to = 13.0-RELEASE, there haven't been any binary packages for it. Building = everything from source takes too long. >> https://pkg.freebsd.org has a link to: >> =E2=80=A2 FreeBSD:13:powerpc64 ( = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A13%3Apowerpc64 ) >> There the dates on things indicate that quarterly is newer >> than latest. meta.txz is reported as having date/time: >> 2021-May-20 07:07 >> (as seen in the time zone I'm in). >> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org shows that jail 130powerpc64 started >> building on Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT and reached stopped:done: >> status, taking an elapsed time of 34:06:48 . It also reports that >> the server was: pylon . >> But the linked page: >> = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:quarterly:130powerpc64:cdf5b= fe36fe5:pylon >> reports only 1976 ports built of the only 4340 that were queued >> for that specific build. >> There was another jail that built far more: 130releng-powerpc64 is >> indicated to have built 23522 of the 30700 queued. It is listed >> as started on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT, having reached a >> status of stopped:crashed:, with an elapsed time of 73:28:43 . >> Also pylon. >> It appears that http://pylon.nyi.freebsd.org is not currently >> accessible. This limits what can be investigated. >> I would guess that: >> = https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:powerpc64/quarterly/packagesite.txz >> would give a clue what should be accessible via quarterly. >> It is listed as being 6058988 Bytes in size. >> =3D=3D=3D >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >> ( dsl-only.net went >> away in early 2018-Mar) >=20 > Thanks for the status update. I'm actually more curious about the = intentions for the future, though. Are there plans to build current = and/or quarterly packages for 13.0 on a regular rotation? Is it just a = matter of manpower and hardware to get it rolling? I've no direct knowledge. My only clue is evidence left behind. The existing pylon package-builds include recent attempts (this month) and older ones: git context: quarterly 130powerpc64 Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT 34:06:48 quarterly 122powerpc64 Tue, 18 May 2021 02:34:32 GMT 18:26:26 default main-powerpc64 Sat, 08 May 2021 08:16:21 GMT 42:38:52 svn context: quarterly 130releng-powerpc64 Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT 73:57:51 quarterly 121powerpc64 Sat, 23 Jan 2021 02:59:07 GMT 73:28:43 default head-powerpc64 Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:07:32 GMT 157:13:50 default 120powerpc64 Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:37:02 GMT 01:25:55 That is all that https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds?server=3Dpylon shows. It suggests specific single attempts to build: quarterly for 13.0 and 12.2 default [so: latest] for main [so: 14] as well as a specific quarterly to go with release/13.0.0 's distribution (built in early April). (I ignore older here.) But it also makes clear that there are fairly long periods between attempts, so regular builds of updated ports have not been part of the activity so far. So far as I know, all the above are Big Endian for the context and target, no little endian jails (yet?). pylon does seem to still be inaccessible (for looking at build logs and the like). > Will support for big-endian wane as the focus shifts to LE? I'm not aware of evidence left behind beyond the absence of any little endian jails in the list. If it goes that direction, it likely would take some time for little endian to become primary. FYI: With old PowerMac failures and other issues, my powerpc64 and 32-bit powerpc activity has largely stopped: it was only PowerMac based. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From nobody Sat May 29 20:07:53 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC11C7EDDA for ; Sat, 29 May 2021 20:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fsszw3dfDz4XdX for ; Sat, 29 May 2021 20:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com with SMTP id z1so3668019qvo.4 for ; Sat, 29 May 2021 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMVG38siK+dsg0rHznOUmjImVqNScYc2nKYaw5K9O/g=; b=QftxzyE/U3wfzGGxxCgUq6EnuBbtlDF1cjwi6EZeLsYm7sM6beGaTJXFzIPskBwkqD 5np+eNngWY5ddxyAaOJodb8JpQ6vETSuzq5lKk/2XrXaa7V5DlFwsg/C0nhar9jmfUkU noVKxxhmoiGFyUjdw4D+Zz4cKOSCYNuC5pDDDVwGl+ltNF46CGDzKZ4kSgwGdAReK8+G koFOHcqPBI45XS6XiyJY2zwOe/WfOp0vqJ5sLfxU/FKfGv+rohpXraed3fY4hINuAL7j xToB8TxlUbt55LthEsGpZ4tMc3R1hXxxIhcis3gGSM8pLqi20tRPaZELgvMqWMZgJiQF LT2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JMVG38siK+dsg0rHznOUmjImVqNScYc2nKYaw5K9O/g=; b=E+tZHuvAane5zM45ez8tHy6vfRo6R0Yl37AhvP3KZdl8i3O2s97XQ42z+NjcliMTj9 AkrR2+wFrFnroJsbhDkGid1SGy8jFhG5x2L4HnuGzn1oP7XNhwHpDuhg21m1P9tkDTG4 JxADLpcycFGtv03XkiYop54ofiXVLPjPWOdZ7V6dK2z+Ge844sGNAeZgko0o3n0z3/Tk wyCIQsT3glackfiz+Xlnq4rac9t394tWO+aWt/ZwvpBr+m7SIrv2nFI9+MZpEvzoZbEb aq7NxHuCPp6nUrbodXyGsiVw2/yq4v+IZqc8C1fnmbOibVf9U3ILIdoLCVptOoS2K5q7 pIVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53100h/78FIXMHTiTjJcnt9glHpHZULVBNnYO3jdCyLJZ/eMyNs3 q4DnERlJXePxFvfiK0Kq+l4u2PMQPAY4FA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxMjnaFUxnFah+vHrbhRaHoG8fzvymX4Kx2COGKd1JctfbvnNXCcHPDUyOgVjXul5Ka5Son5g== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c184:: with SMTP id n4mr9955791qvh.36.1622318875332; Sat, 29 May 2021 13:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moray.acadix.biz (2603-6000-a401-3a00-6e88-14ff-fea7-590c.res6.spectrum.com. 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To: Mark Millard Cc: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" References: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> <200faa1c-6153-1e2f-d3a1-f76eaf83284a@gmail.com> From: Jason Bacon Message-ID: <050d9b25-772f-4dc8-d92d-d6cd70f0c376@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 15:07:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ppc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fsszw3dfDz4XdX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/28/21 11:49 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2021-May-28, at 17:52, Jason Bacon wrote: >=20 >> On 5/26/21 9:40 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >>> On 2021-May-20, at 17:26, Jason Bacon wrote:= >>>> What's the plan for 13.0 powerpc64 packages? >>>> >>>> I have a Mac G5 I was using for port testing, but since upgrading to= 13.0-RELEASE, there haven't been any binary packages for it. Building e= verything from source takes too long. >>> https://pkg.freebsd.org has a link to: >>> =E2=80=A2 FreeBSD:13:powerpc64 ( https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A13= %3Apowerpc64 ) >>> There the dates on things indicate that quarterly is newer >>> than latest. meta.txz is reported as having date/time: >>> 2021-May-20 07:07 >>> (as seen in the time zone I'm in). >>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org shows that jail 130powerpc64 started >>> building on Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT and reached stopped:done: >>> status, taking an elapsed time of 34:06:48 . It also reports that >>> the server was: pylon . >>> But the linked page: >>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:quarterly:130powerpc64:= cdf5bfe36fe5:pylon >>> reports only 1976 ports built of the only 4340 that were queued >>> for that specific build. >>> There was another jail that built far more: 130releng-powerpc64 is >>> indicated to have built 23522 of the 30700 queued. It is listed >>> as started on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT, having reached a >>> status of stopped:crashed:, with an elapsed time of 73:28:43 . >>> Also pylon. >>> It appears that http://pylon.nyi.freebsd.org is not currently >>> accessible. This limits what can be investigated. >>> I would guess that: >>> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:powerpc64/quarterly/packagesite.tx= z >>> would give a clue what should be accessible via quarterly. >>> It is listed as being 6058988 Bytes in size. >>> =3D=3D=3D >>> Mark Millard >>> marklmi at yahoo.com >>> ( dsl-only.net went >>> away in early 2018-Mar) >> >> Thanks for the status update. I'm actually more curious about the int= entions for the future, though. Are there plans to build current and/or = quarterly packages for 13.0 on a regular rotation? Is it just a matter o= f manpower and hardware to get it rolling? >=20 > I've no direct knowledge. My only clue is evidence left behind. >=20 > The existing pylon package-builds include recent attempts > (this month) and older ones: >=20 > git context: > quarterly 130powerpc64 Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT 34:06:48 > quarterly 122powerpc64 Tue, 18 May 2021 02:34:32 GMT 18:26:26 > default main-powerpc64 Sat, 08 May 2021 08:16:21 GMT 42:38:52 >=20 > svn context: > quarterly 130releng-powerpc64 Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT 73:57:51 > quarterly 121powerpc64 Sat, 23 Jan 2021 02:59:07 GMT 73:28:43 > default head-powerpc64 Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:07:32 GMT 157:13:50 > default 120powerpc64 Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:37:02 GMT 01:25:55 >=20 > That is all that >=20 > https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds?server=3Dpylon >=20 > shows. It suggests specific single attempts to build: >=20 > quarterly for 13.0 and 12.2 > default [so: latest] for main [so: 14] >=20 > as well as a specific quarterly to go with release/13.0.0 's > distribution (built in early April). (I ignore older here.) >=20 > But it also makes clear that there are fairly long periods > between attempts, so regular builds of updated ports have not > been part of the activity so far. >=20 > So far as I know, all the above are Big Endian for the > context and target, no little endian jails (yet?). >=20 > pylon does seem to still be inaccessible (for looking at build > logs and the like). >=20 >=20 >> Will support for big-endian wane as the focus shifts to LE? >=20 > I'm not aware of evidence left behind beyond the absence > of any little endian jails in the list. If it goes that > direction, it likely would take some time for little > endian to become primary. >=20 >=20 > FYI: > With old PowerMac failures and other issues, my powerpc64 > and 32-bit powerpc activity has largely stopped: it was > only PowerMac based. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > ( dsl-only.net went > away in early 2018-Mar) >=20 Well, the quarterly status report from May 5 lists "Setup powerpc=20 pkgbuilder/ref/universal machines" under works in progress, but doesn't=20 provide any more info than that. I'm hoping to see current packages built for 13.0 at some point. That=20 would enable me to resume port testing on my Mac G5. --=20 Earth is a beta site. 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Message-Id: <07D39D7F-711B-4FF3-AA33-AB691C231FA4@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 23:04:39 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers To: FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) References: <07D39D7F-711B-4FF3-AA33-AB691C231FA4.ref@yahoo.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ft7Dc2JnWz3lhg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yahoo.com header.s=s2048 header.b=G2btl9YA; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=yahoo.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marklmi@yahoo.com designates 98.137.66.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marklmi@yahoo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.66.148:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.66.148:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.66.148:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.66.148:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] Reply-To: marklmi@yahoo.com From: Mark Millard via freebsd-hackers X-Original-From: Mark Millard X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N In the code from /usr/include/machine/atomic.h for powerpc64 and powerpc there is: #define ATOMIC_STORE_LOAD(TYPE) \ static __inline u_##TYPE \ atomic_load_acq_##TYPE(volatile u_##TYPE *p) \ { \ u_##TYPE v; \ \ v = *p; \ powerpc_lwsync(); \ return (v); \ } \ \ static __inline void \ atomic_store_rel_##TYPE(volatile u_##TYPE *p, u_##TYPE v) \ { \ \ powerpc_lwsync(); \ *p = v; \ } This code sequence does not involve isync: #define __ATOMIC_ACQ() __asm __volatile("isync" : : : "memory") What justifies this? All the reference material I've found for C++/C11 semantics agrees with: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/cpp/cpp0xmappings.html that shows (organized here to compare Relaxed vs. Acquire and Release): powerpc Load Relaxed vs. Acquire: ld vs. ld;cmp;bc;isync powerpc Fence: Acquire: lwsync powerpc Store Relaxed vs. Release: st vs. "Fence: Release";st powerpc Fence: Release: lwsync lwsync does not order prior stores vs. later loads, isync does (and more in some respects). That likely (partially) explains why load-acquire does not use just an acquire-fence in such materials. Is this a problem for being correct for "synchronizes with" in "man atomic"? For the acquire operation reading the value written by the release operation: QUOTE . . . the effects of all prior stores by the releasing thread must become visible to subsequent loads by the acquiring thread END QUOTE It seems that some later loads could be moved by the hardware to be too early relative to various such prior stores (as seen in the load-acquire thread): no constraint is placed for such relationships by the atomic_load_acq_##TYPE as far as I can see. (I got into this by finding some code that uses an atomic_store_rel_##TYPE without any matching use of atomic_load_acq_##TYPE or atomic_thread_fence_acq or other such, so far as I found. But, looking around to see if I could find a justification for such code, generated more questions, such as in this note.) === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar) From nobody Sun May 30 13:50:49 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB74C7DF90 for ; Sun, 30 May 2021 13:50:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FtKZM695Kz4nW0 for ; Sun, 30 May 2021 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bacon4000@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2b.google.com with SMTP id w9so4310028qvi.13 for ; Sun, 30 May 2021 06:50:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:from:to:cc:references:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ch1f9aFU2D2W36Wo8tD1sAKT1JJQHxdWAStdAPGgsiw=; b=CO6xC9D1YV7YWidT2EDrPKfcbTcqP6ZXc7Hf00m7LvIasn8Vi9+aVaOu3La21fgSGn F0/KNerdFwGw+1oS2WaUG6nAEvLqTLXuuw3xiZFpJI4IfIIP5nuWtHgu2T1ssb9zY4Q3 2zZFhWZTNfV6ycfumePVAwC5+nigfvK2gjEBJjpl1BMCdcm+Q3F9O8MN9Xv4/Fmi42gd IHjw7TbM/g7bLtpvZJc1OHVjrcVlbkIqhJPGO0KOHmnIBLxxG0nf7f3vWngEwiMBfpiO VCPBQFAks4h1fKyXmvEObDJ8ivYDeE1oQfquax8ibZkyVYbCAqTII5fcRYkOlhOQKZBW /Jbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:to:cc:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ch1f9aFU2D2W36Wo8tD1sAKT1JJQHxdWAStdAPGgsiw=; b=M7f7UidMFTy3QosUJ6owJKgjuf4JSqO8sB6lMtbufNHoxhSa1rIgm7jjc17eNTINvN ewXcGGRnxMbpHqqU3Qy0rxN58t8zEFdnCJ4Odht13L9MAfan3VIzRXas0CdpIjVzHEIz asqvy1OQh/VFZihRZcyF52bv4hvr9Odt7FsFLEG/opH7x96kMGWktPor67pF1QyH90NO dv+RaOGTJzpV6gfM5Vx5P5KvABbuKShVTXNsRDc48+kbI+rWVT3timZEq4W7Mu0HAdRr Cr9FNKwRg1sCTkw+CGoYGR9GNFIl3f168DKBpRlrv9fbVOOA9EUQsniT5sMnnpTSSBpd USLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532EnYTu1rqidUoON2tZPlmU1Gcf+W9GhHYkRDQY8f4w2akjLfQp JlaGiDm6drPZuLYqBJur7yxC2j+O0Ec+VA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxdqBucK1vgk4UCKWzETc4B0p/v0sbaA6xbQDUfkrA44hoQxNCJGRe+y7tLX+VzCFIQeBZvg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aa1:: with SMTP id js1mr2815877qvb.11.1622382650631; Sun, 30 May 2021 06:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moray.acadix.biz (2603-6000-a401-3a00-6e88-14ff-fea7-590c.res6.spectrum.com. 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From: Jason Bacon To: Mark Millard Cc: "freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org" References: <9FF7E0E7-E666-443C-8CA7-C031EBE60BF6@yahoo.com> <200faa1c-6153-1e2f-d3a1-f76eaf83284a@gmail.com> <050d9b25-772f-4dc8-d92d-d6cd70f0c376@gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 08:50:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ppc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <050d9b25-772f-4dc8-d92d-d6cd70f0c376@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FtKZM695Kz4nW0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CO6xC9D1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bacon4000@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bacon4000@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2b:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ppc] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/29/21 3:07 PM, Jason Bacon wrote: > On 5/28/21 11:49 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >> >> >> On 2021-May-28, at 17:52, Jason Bacon wrote: >> >>> On 5/26/21 9:40 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >>>> On 2021-May-20, at 17:26, Jason Bacon wrote= : >>>>> What's the plan for 13.0 powerpc64 packages? >>>>> >>>>> I have a Mac G5 I was using for port testing, but since upgrading=20 >>>>> to 13.0-RELEASE, there haven't been any binary packages for it. =20 >>>>> Building everything from source takes too long. >>>> https://pkg.freebsd.org has a link to: >>>> =E2=80=A2 FreeBSD:13:powerpc64 (=20 >>>> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD%3A13%3Apowerpc64 ) >>>> There the dates on things indicate that quarterly is newer >>>> than latest. meta.txz is reported as having date/time: >>>> 2021-May-20 07:07 >>>> (as seen in the time zone I'm in). >>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org shows that jail 130powerpc64 started >>>> building on Tue, 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT and reached stopped:done: >>>> status, taking an elapsed time of 34:06:48 . It also reports that >>>> the server was: pylon . >>>> But the linked page: >>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds/default:quarterly:130powerpc64= :cdf5bfe36fe5:pylon=20 >>>> >>>> reports only 1976 ports built of the only 4340 that were queued >>>> for that specific build. >>>> There was another jail that built far more: 130releng-powerpc64 is >>>> indicated to have built 23522 of the 30700 queued. It is listed >>>> as started on Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT, having reached a >>>> status of stopped:crashed:, with an elapsed time of 73:28:43 . >>>> Also pylon. >>>> It appears that http://pylon.nyi.freebsd.org is not currently >>>> accessible. This limits what can be investigated. >>>> I would guess that: >>>> https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:13:powerpc64/quarterly/packagesite.t= xz >>>> would give a clue what should be accessible via quarterly. >>>> It is listed as being 6058988 Bytes in size. >>>> =3D=3D=3D >>>> Mark Millard >>>> marklmi at yahoo.com >>>> ( dsl-only.net went >>>> away in early 2018-Mar) >>> >>> Thanks for the status update.=C2=A0 I'm actually more curious about t= he=20 >>> intentions for the future, though.=C2=A0 Are there plans to build cur= rent=20 >>> and/or quarterly packages for 13.0 on a regular rotation?=C2=A0 Is it= just=20 >>> a matter of manpower and hardware to get it rolling? >> >> I've no direct knowledge. My only clue is evidence left behind. >> >> The existing pylon package-builds include recent attempts >> (this month) and older ones: >> >> git context: >> quarterly 130powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tue, = 18 May 2021 21:01:05 GMT=C2=A0 34:06:48 >> quarterly 122powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tue, = 18 May 2021 02:34:32 GMT=C2=A0 18:26:26 >> default=C2=A0=C2=A0 main-powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sat, = 08 May 2021 08:16:21 GMT=C2=A0 42:38:52 >> >> svn context: >> quarterly 130releng-powerpc64 Sun, 04 Apr 2021 13:48:51 GMT=C2=A0 73:5= 7:51 >> quarterly 121powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sat, = 23 Jan 2021 02:59:07 GMT=C2=A0 73:28:43 >> default=C2=A0=C2=A0 head-powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tue, = 22 Dec 2020 18:07:32 GMT 157:13:50 >> default=C2=A0=C2=A0 120powerpc64=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:37:02 GMT=C2=A0 01:25:55 >> >> That is all that >> >> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/builds?server=3Dpylon >> >> shows. It suggests specific single attempts to build: >> >> quarterly=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 for 13.0 and 12.2 >> default [so: latest] for main [so: 14] >> >> as well as a specific quarterly to go with release/13.0.0 's >> distribution (built in early April). (I ignore older here.) >> >> But it also makes clear that there are fairly long periods >> between attempts, so regular builds of updated ports have not >> been part of the activity so far. >> >> So far as I know, all the above are Big Endian for the >> context and target, no little endian jails (yet?). >> >> pylon does seem to still be inaccessible (for looking at build >> logs and the like). >> >> >>> Will support for big-endian wane as the focus shifts to LE? >> >> I'm not aware of evidence left behind beyond the absence >> of any little endian jails in the list. If it goes that >> direction, it likely would take some time for little >> endian to become primary. >> >> >> FYI: >> With old PowerMac failures and other issues, my powerpc64 >> and 32-bit powerpc activity has largely stopped: it was >> only PowerMac based. >> >> =3D=3D=3D >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >> ( dsl-only.net went >> away in early 2018-Mar) >> >=20 > Well, the quarterly status report from May 5 lists "Setup powerpc=20 > pkgbuilder/ref/universal machines" under works in progress, but doesn't= =20 > provide any more info than that. >=20 > I'm hoping to see current packages built for 13.0 at some point.=C2=A0 = That=20 > would enable me to resume port testing on my Mac G5. >=20 Just checked again and the situation has improved. pkg search '.*' | wc is showing 28k packages in quarterly and 22k in=20 current. Still no git in current, but quarterly is better than nothing for most=20 port testing, despite the occasional API incompatibility. --=20 Earth is a beta site.