From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 01:25:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C2165D57E for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 01:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GCCjs0b3Tz4bRM for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 01:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GCCjj725Rz2fjRV for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 18:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Subject: IPv6 Sub Nets Message-Id: <056639D1-32A2-4DAF-A6F8-C8743F691EAD@sermon-archive.info> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 18:25:45 -0700 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GCCjs0b3Tz4bRM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[47.181.130.121:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[47.181.130.121:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 01:25:54 -0000 I am trying to setup an IPv6 environment. There is a primary router (A) = that receives a /48 prefix via DHCP6 from the ISP. That router = configures itself properly via dhcp6c. It also creates 2 LAN /64 = prefixes and creates EUI-64 addresses on the two LAN interfaces. One of = those interfaces is connected to a second router (B), among other = devices. The B router receives the prefix via SLAAC and creates its own = EUI-64 address. However, that router needs to create a smaller subnet, = /72, and distribute it to the devices on that LAN. I have not been able = to figure out how to make that happen. =20 Clearly, manual configuration would work, but the prefix received from = the ISP can change which would raise havoc with the network. I suspect = that dhcp6s needto be run alongside dhcp6c on router B and then the = other devices run dhcp6c. However, I don't see how to get the prefix = that dhcp6c receives on router B to the dhcp6s process on router B. I = believe I am missing something, but haven't been able to find it. = Thanks, -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 02:19:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86ED565E5CE for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GCDv85QvTz4fGg for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GCDv75bYQz2fjRC for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Hardie Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Subject: Re: IPv6 Sub Nets Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:18:59 -0700 References: <056639D1-32A2-4DAF-A6F8-C8743F691EAD@sermon-archive.info> To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5B552F4B-0BA3-4962-A131-AB352A88980C@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GCDv85QvTz4fGg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[47.181.130.121:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[47.181.130.121:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:19:01 -0000 -- Doug > On 26 June 2021, at 19:02, Louis Kowolowski = wrote: >=20 > On Jun 26, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Doug Hardie > wrote: >>=20 >> I am trying to setup an IPv6 environment. There is a primary router = (A) that receives a /48 prefix via DHCP6 from the ISP. That router = configures itself properly via dhcp6c. It also creates 2 LAN /64 = prefixes and creates EUI-64 addresses on the two LAN interfaces. One of = those interfaces is connected to a second router (B), among other = devices. The B router receives the prefix via SLAAC and creates its own = EUI-64 address. However, that router needs to create a smaller subnet, = /72, and distribute it to the devices on that LAN. I have not been able = to figure out how to make that happen. =20 >>=20 >> Clearly, manual configuration would work, but the prefix received = from the ISP can change which would raise havoc with the network. I = suspect that dhcp6s needto be run alongside dhcp6c on router B and then = the other devices run dhcp6c. However, I don't see how to get the = prefix that dhcp6c receives on router B to the dhcp6s process on router = B. I believe I am missing something, but haven't been able to find it. = Thanks, >>=20 > Speaking generally >=20 > First: I believe you=E2=80=99re looking to do DHCP prefix delegation = (dhcp-pd) where you designate a prefix to be used further down the line. That is what is being used between the ISP and router A. However, = router Bs dhcp6s needs to find that prefix. About all I have come up = with is some sort of script which monitors the network addresses and = then updates dhcp6s.conf and restarts dhcp6s. Not very elegant though. > Second: There are valid use cases for prefixes smaller than /64, but = they are not best practice, and you will likely find software that = doesn=E2=80=99t work for them (examples I=E2=80=99ve found include PDUs = hardcoding /64, dhcp not working on prefixes smaller than /64. examples = of things I=E2=80=99ve seen that do work: point-to-point links on = network equipment using /126 or /127). >=20 > -- > Louis Kowolowski = louisk@cryptomonkeys.org > Cryptomonkeys: = http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ >=20 > Making life more interesting for people since 1977 >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 26 19:25:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D79658C72 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GC3jp3gnsz3PkN for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7C5416586CE; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1856588CD for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from out2.migadu.com (out2.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:2:aacc::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GC3jp2ZvDz3Ph4; Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:14 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=unrelenting.technology; s=key1; t=1624735517; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Ydo+GR2lQ2XRN9HZn2UmsJfvqJ1HgASsGhCi5pZ0yvU=; b=rVU/rtPYpxO/Pc5Jytv0/mSM/I0FxLhRjcfA3JI3EWOKDhhGTEEigIyTcN70xu/QJlPZmM ZMrnzZtqriTVo6e2G0Jwgq9zuEyphnLBmHI3Vv9ps3HVL420i0u96ZHj/ELK+1OwfAT3H/ jV42tRomDzqmKrTM0Qtw7qbaU4X9G3dKS36KoaBLnDygWuwNGIinkuQ6WngV1WZzYN0euL H/CByml/O5EiRF54rQja31mTPhQuNEaeU0jPGgf4Iw5tQDn0xiGof/bqxmphpRSDpJ7TLW 9rWxD1gSunbsMU3nmbCwqfb9OqIsOM4Ue1xW2xWUdI8rs6uBumnzAKtFVu2a4Q== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Greg V To: x11@freebsd.org, Robert Huff , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? In-Reply-To: <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: greg@unrelenting.technology X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GC3jp2ZvDz3Ph4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 05:01:14 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 19:25:18 -0000 On June 25, 2021 7:52:20 PM UTC, Robert Huff wrote: > I use AMD, not Nvidia, but I have been looking for over a year >for a low end card actively supported by drm-kmod and/or >drm-current-kmod=2E Figuring out which chipsets they support =2E=2E=2E l= et's >just call it both educational and frustrating=2E > (For anyone in my position: I _think_ the RX 460 and above >support GCN 2=2E1, which is what I _think_ is the bottom-end >specification=2E Cards matching this number seem to start at about >US $50=2E) Hi, GCN is the name of the GPU architecture, not something a GPU "supports"=2E= =2E Polaris generation (RX 460-590) GPUs are GCN 4=2E0=2E Yes, they are a very= good option=2E But you can use older GCN just as well=2E https://www=2Etechpowerup=2Ecom/gpu-specs/ is a good resource for searchin= g through all the models=2E In the "Architecture" selector, you can choose = any GCN, as well as RDNA 1=2E Just not RDNA 2 yet=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 02:02:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6269465DFFF for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from louisk@cryptomonkeys.org) Received: from helm.louiskowolowski.com (helm.louiskowolowski.com [54.191.250.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GCDXL08zNz4dGR for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from louisk@cryptomonkeys.org) From: Louis Kowolowski Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Subject: Re: IPv6 Sub Nets Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 21:02:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <056639D1-32A2-4DAF-A6F8-C8743F691EAD@sermon-archive.info> Cc: FreeBSD Questions To: Doug Hardie References: <056639D1-32A2-4DAF-A6F8-C8743F691EAD@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GCDXL08zNz4dGR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cryptomonkeys.org:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:54.191.250.17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[cryptomonkeys.org:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[54.191.250.17:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cryptomonkeys.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cryptomonkeys.org,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[54.191.250.17:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:54.191.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[54.191.250.17:from] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 05:01:29 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 02:02:43 -0000 On Jun 26, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > I am trying to setup an IPv6 environment. There is a primary router = (A) that receives a /48 prefix via DHCP6 from the ISP. That router = configures itself properly via dhcp6c. It also creates 2 LAN /64 = prefixes and creates EUI-64 addresses on the two LAN interfaces. One of = those interfaces is connected to a second router (B), among other = devices. The B router receives the prefix via SLAAC and creates its own = EUI-64 address. However, that router needs to create a smaller subnet, = /72, and distribute it to the devices on that LAN. I have not been able = to figure out how to make that happen. =20 >=20 > Clearly, manual configuration would work, but the prefix received from = the ISP can change which would raise havoc with the network. I suspect = that dhcp6s needto be run alongside dhcp6c on router B and then the = other devices run dhcp6c. However, I don't see how to get the prefix = that dhcp6c receives on router B to the dhcp6s process on router B. I = believe I am missing something, but haven't been able to find it. = Thanks, >=20 Speaking generally First: I believe you=E2=80=99re looking to do DHCP prefix delegation = (dhcp-pd) where you designate a prefix to be used further down the line. Second: There are valid use cases for prefixes smaller than /64, but = they are not best practice, and you will likely find software that = doesn=E2=80=99t work for them (examples I=E2=80=99ve found include PDUs = hardcoding /64, dhcp not working on prefixes smaller than /64. examples = of things I=E2=80=99ve seen that do work: point-to-point links on = network equipment using /126 or /127). -- Louis Kowolowski louisk@cryptomonkeys.org = Cryptomonkeys: = http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 11:40:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B28664E4D for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GCTMB0rHnz3qVV for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1ACB3664E4C; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19634665429 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GCTMB02L1z3qPl; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1624794038; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8z4rmTzAkcC+OT7QH+TCqnop35gM5y4KuvBcrhSP8IE=; b=iTUpg6G0PJctgOqy7Zm1YRoUG+pC1bvWZwtPA+DPEj7ixlVe2C/MLY6iYXycXuYknnSgTh HONBJrfTOHzYZvCK4Mq30/5t3rKkf05DZLONIsOexqNcUUUPY0p3u/7LwsEQJFCHTGv89o fYcpX81FptbWnX2bdQsnxRQUuRn6l02x3DRA0vkt5JmP80995kirWns2LYEA3JkSkJQhdo WiUemC4x87pn99u2oAgU2lQPKKHTdERSFfMJRtQKwhdezgZvRWWfA4eYSyVMAgyFDEZpjJ 4173++7WlC4l9hGseMrBDvGjFQbzXlKqPFNyXD0cGTHy+bnDQ2dLxUCZ9Pgl/g== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id DE3161A58A; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:37 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Greg V Cc: Robert Huff , x11@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? Message-ID: References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1624794038; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8z4rmTzAkcC+OT7QH+TCqnop35gM5y4KuvBcrhSP8IE=; b=rM3F91NeeERYWfcIGvESSAyffDXAdhhXMdTbP2uDqE79Gk1QFeHFF+VGIkdp1obujbp8n4 QMfh2nVHMGchRc8oYlzaBf9XzdPxZP4sKayiwzvxx+W49175BAIpLu07SNxphooXb0oyBF X+nDAqQvs8QLuR3Jw74cVWm5hUw49+5DmTqzsQAZCg6otz6rVXMateHqQEDij1G0iopqK9 GKlfCf6QNcn4voY4hWQLNObxHsDRsDq9HRGV+nEYiH85rgSKLSWdGCrZn5NLcqNJvvKd/R aTgLGu1OYU4khT0dwhcAyDaVZGqGVCOGwnQHHofCX2ikxkXQ+l1tHqjDKPzcYg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1624794038; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=AkoPMP9gP2S6IZEsbJLh2Wx2KPaXyI4HAJq5+sEptsvYTVunnxPxAgMi3/5iZ3BDb6DFgg 6sNtAR0sRE83WpwsEaheU2iiFkj4QZ7SB0jLkQraDAENxDzJkfT1C0R81n9oH6gZSzH/U5 lBeEV70ytEW7rqdTPUpc+5XtSJS+1ez2rVGDyjogGcoiy1tybe02O40EhGDNvGhk6ErzXt mV6dz0dsL+t9iRhkvFoFtz/7l6T9UEg3dGWvlLKDGa7elnldPHRxKEUvP0DP+DUqRAHwRu B3+91vVmDxuCrMQO9d6ykngdOA1U3vzVu91i+oNhx5stktVq0cO1Q/Gw236ExA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:40:38 -0000 On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 11:26:44AM +0000, Greg V wrote: > On June 26, 2021 10:11:42 PM UTC, Robert Huff wrote: > > ... > > Got that; the "support" is from the software. > > I have two conflicting desires: > > a) I want to run modern applications ... > > on the latest stable version of X ... > > using an actively maintained and > > improved version of amdgpu/drm ... > > working with reasonably high-performance hardware. > > Yes, all you need is a GCN GPU. Avoid the really old pre-GCN (TeraScale > and older) architectures and you'll be fine. Technically pre-GCN chips are still supported by radeon(4) and *should* also be fine (it used to work for me on my Richland APU), but something got broken along the line so yeah you'd better off with newer GCN chips unless you want to invest some time into bringing support for older ones back in shape. ./danfe From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 11:55:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D920F66571C for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GCThR4xpGz3rhq for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A7F186652CD; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69376655B7 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GCThR3ZBJz3rX7 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1624794933; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Zq1vQ2VGFz2OFFWyurkffUvytY0=; b=lmIQMFoNS7UFc3TAhR9OfzgYMwB5G1SJOQv5p2k0cv+X6G5ChKEiFmgkx1bykU/B nAI+0daIboIO3vQW6WnAK0WjtcmDNazV/H4M7mCyzET+JoHx038fPYCH3NZh1Hwh eIujYJWbUbS2ns5VHgNivNrsO5b7GKad24IxAm7fFlLeQJ4jqG87o+54F54IiEs2 ZQxBsb0VIcoS2N4+vFPuW1+4YnkGNWc6CppLiyp47aN1xGjSvHtNPzrgoqJGm66g LTQa4P0hCiWk3DOrvoNLQXf6KAlAYzzNEINlLDVnyuHiD6BgU0cdGxpGniQSmZjd ppUQNePL0cZP8K4pyqvTBw==; X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [130.44.129.206] ([130.44.129.206:14461] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id C7/25-16719-53768D06; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:55:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:55:32 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: questions@freebsd.org CC: x11@freebsd.org, Greg V Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? 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You can run the newest gen4 cards in gen2 > slots just fine (obviously at gen2 bandwidth). As Johnny Carson used to say: "I did not know that." So now I'm back to the question: what is the earliest GCN version actively supported by amdgpu and drm(-kmod/-current-kmod)? More correctly: where is this documented? I can look it up myself. Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 27 13:45:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2395964105A for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GCX7Q0DtVz4RBr for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 05F2F64124F; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A1164124E for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GCX7P6G0hz4Qsk; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from Stefans-MBP-449.fritz.box (p200300cd5f1d3e00116a4757e9e872f2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:cd:5f1d:3e00:116a:4757:e9e8:72f2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: se/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 041372DC89; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) To: Robert Huff References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: Stefan Esser Cc: questions@freebsd.org, x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? Message-ID: <85b5b9b3-ad93-e8ac-2e86-b2f277ed7753@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:45:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0dBP9naRPb1KsFFY6Ujg3gKAZXDfgpZtT" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:45:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --0dBP9naRPb1KsFFY6Ujg3gKAZXDfgpZtT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ccPodmtfrWUwjH52ayDi2fAl3RwWKF48Q"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stefan Esser To: Robert Huff Cc: questions@freebsd.org, x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: <85b5b9b3-ad93-e8ac-2e86-b2f277ed7753@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> --ccPodmtfrWUwjH52ayDi2fAl3RwWKF48Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 27.06.21 um 13:55 schrieb Robert Huff: >=20 > Greg: >=20 >> > b) I have a very limited budget, and would ideally like to be >> > able to use this on older systems - say ones with a PCIe 2.0 >> > expansion slot. >> =20 >> No conflict here: PCI Express generations are all backward and >> forward compatible. You can run the newest gen4 cards in gen2 >> slots just fine (obviously at gen2 bandwidth). >=20 > As Johnny Carson used to say: "I did not know that." =20 > > So now I'm back to the question: what is the earliest GCN version > actively supported by amdgpu and drm(-kmod/-current-kmod)? More > correctly: where is this documented? I can look it up myself. Hi Robert, I've got a passively cooled R7 250E (Cap Verde Pro) with 2 GB video RAM (probably identical to the GDDR5 version of the Radeon HD 7750). All technical details can be found in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_7000_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_Rx_200_series It is a GCN 1st gen. card and supported by the xf86-video-amdgpu driver and the DRM kmods and libva drivers. I would not get a lower end card, they are neither cheaper nor more power= efficient (idle power of 10 W, 50 W max., allowing for a very silent fan or even passive cooling in a case with forced airflow). The HD 7790 is already GCN 2nd gen., but probably harder to get, and at $70 about twice as expensive as a HD 7750 on eBay. All R5 240 and higher cards should work as well (R5 220/230/235 are Terascale cards). The only drawback compared to a modern card is raw performance (but the 7750 is already faster than today's typical on-chip VGAs) and lack of HW decoding of modern video codecs like VP9. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 16:36:48 -0000 On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 8:19 PM Doug Hardie wrote: > > > -- Doug > > > On 26 June 2021, at 19:02, Louis Kowolowski = wrote: > > > > On Jun 26, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Doug Hardie > wrote: > >> > >> I am trying to setup an IPv6 environment. There is a primary router (= A) that receives a /48 prefix via DHCP6 from the ISP. That router configur= es itself properly via dhcp6c. It also creates 2 LAN /64 prefixes and crea= tes EUI-64 addresses on the two LAN interfaces. One of those interfaces is= connected to a second router (B), among other devices. The B router recei= ves the prefix via SLAAC and creates its own EUI-64 address. However, that= router needs to create a smaller subnet, /72, and distribute it to the dev= ices on that LAN. I have not been able to figure out how to make that happ= en. > >> > >> Clearly, manual configuration would work, but the prefix received from= the ISP can change which would raise havoc with the network. I suspect th= at dhcp6s needto be run alongside dhcp6c on router B and then the other dev= ices run dhcp6c. However, I don't see how to get the prefix that dhcp6c re= ceives on router B to the dhcp6s process on router B. I believe I am missi= ng something, but haven't been able to find it. Thanks, > >> > > Speaking generally > > > > First: I believe you=E2=80=99re looking to do DHCP prefix delegation (d= hcp-pd) where you designate a prefix to be used further down the line. > > That is what is being used between the ISP and router A. However, router= Bs dhcp6s needs to find that prefix. About all I have come up with is som= e sort of script which monitors the network addresses and then updates dhcp= 6s.conf and restarts dhcp6s. Not very elegant though. > > > Second: There are valid use cases for prefixes smaller than /64, but th= ey are not best practice, and you will likely find software that doesn=E2= =80=99t work for them (examples I=E2=80=99ve found include PDUs hardcoding = /64, dhcp not working on prefixes smaller than /64. examples of things I=E2= =80=99ve seen that do work: point-to-point links on network equipment using= /126 or /127). > > > > -- > > Louis Kowolowski louisk@cryptomonkeys.or= g > > Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonke= ys.com/ On one of the ipv6 lists to which I subscribe (ipv6-ops), there have been discussions of renumbering by ISP and the difficulties it's posing. I don't have a link handy, and I don't think the discussion reached a conclusion, but you might glean some useful insights from it. 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From: Greg V To: Robert Huff CC: x11@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? In-Reply-To: <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Migadu-Auth-User: greg@unrelenting.technology X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GCT3F0Tv5z3pZP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 08:16:48 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 11:26:49 -0000 On June 26, 2021 10:11:42 PM UTC, Robert Huff wrote= : > >Greg V : > >> Robert Huff : >> =20 >> > (For anyone in my position: I _think_ the RX 460 and above >> >support GCN 2=2E1, which is what I _think_ is the bottom-end >> >specification=2E Cards matching this number seem to start at about >> >US $50=2E) >> =20 >> GCN is the name of the GPU architecture, not something a GPU >> "supports"=2E=2E > > Got that; the "support" is from the software=2E > I have two conflicting desires: > a) I want to run modern applications =2E=2E=2E > on the latest stable version of X =2E=2E=2E > using an actively maintained and > improved version of amdgpu/drm =2E=2E=2E > working with reasonably high-performance hardware=2E Yes, all you need is a GCN GPU=2E Avoid the really old pre-GCN (TeraScale = and older) architectures and you'll be fine=2E > b) I have a very limited budget, and would ideally like to be > able to use this on older systems - say ones with a PCIe 2=2E0 > expansion slot=2E No conflict here: PCI Express generations are all backward and forward com= patible=2E You can run the newest gen4 cards in gen2 slots just fine (obvio= usly at gen2 bandwidth)=2E Similarly it's all compatible between different lane counts, e=2Eg=2E you = can shove an x16 card into an x4 slot (if it's not an open ended slot=2E=2E= it can be made open-ended with a rotary tool :D) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 28 17:18:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06787658F77 for ; 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Had to do that to > get a newer Nvidia card to work in an old Mac. If you ever see me doing that? Have me tranquilized immediately, then call N.A.S.A. and the military. 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I have rc.conf set to keymap="uk.kbd" and KDE Plasma set to English (UK) uppermost, but sometimes KDE gives me its secondary layout first. 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I wonder if hardware decoding is actually important on desktop processors. I'm using integrated Intel HD 2500 graphics from 8 years ago with the i915 driver and, AFAIK, I'm seeing 3d acceleration, but not getting hardware decoding for video. 1080p x264 decoding in software is using only about 28% of a core with vlc, 4k video on a 1080p display is about 180%. This is on an 8 year old, bottom of the range, quad core, sandy bridge i5 cpu. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 29 00:19:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAF765F601 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42e.google.com (mail-wr1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GDQ8C3d44z4qL3 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id j2so23476860wrs.12 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KWCg3mkKj6KPC/+DQAU3UOO1EQhKds8cqNfdGfTYGNs=; b=XQjG2yhkGWVwy4K1FH/VLoVo8gAx3AfF3SEZvwjp+GLtYM5tP58SMynhMuLezzXyVJ H/BfoQ2hjiQ5otGR9RwFizaWFpdQB/6JckKVjJtatWPrMskq0enL8Az++E8NI8CsQTID Xs/aujDXWb7E8IVA/TXMl0fwDptW41GwyHzst3hsdeoQ4nQkNb7+mxbkfHfxLuYIq8LU GYaf2ENjwnDi0YdKvZJ/wRp5yWh0qabaaN8LxpfKEo4ZyfQMtl/hLGZkz+KZcqdkLZH4 8LiDd/OtZEv28+sGRiiw32H+kC8kD7k/Z9sjpNOF8Shbsrp00jQ1mNyTB2n/xyP3Ei2D Z+XA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KWCg3mkKj6KPC/+DQAU3UOO1EQhKds8cqNfdGfTYGNs=; b=fen6n24MBn/ik69FDl/1yLLqS5k336dV6ZV3pGzkCC1iOloA5WYZlII2MZfBMWZAKU JNQ2HHQ5HTX3cT7rx8Qba2anzZZ7H5k4bK1u6stZbAHuNxCNlaQF8D0u9TjmEAW2nJNU 5Ee+P/rziiTo7wrXHQtsnmDpBDJzGBGYR08k/MhW7QBMJyKDfW6CpP9U1wvH13Be+RgM rEgWynCO+tiaItNtSnv6ls5VBtSQH3SuwySz9AIaNG12XsXkRFI3Zjl9tHrbFgq2ggO4 8x6C/0PHXCjG0VtWj6Js3ngvVaFwkJ0bhO07GRQ6EhsaJGUuzZ23TVcdrBFtzmZyBBXG QHUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530EVdEO40+0/kKuyPFhor+VSVAJ+HkVv4pEg6WUvk9isMoqGTe1 nse1a9/WWMxTHPFRHmWGuRuV4jWiZEt//fFNVfk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxDtnF5001eBzh0wa+HMAdWlHKyP5F4eiZOeCEQTvLlEj0wylVuQ+pYFse/kCFDWAH23kpDQNf/lzaEip/7XfI= X-Received: by 2002:adf:eec9:: with SMTP id a9mr11327345wrp.148.1624925962051; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:19:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <24792.26420.394563.785764@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <85b5b9b3-ad93-e8ac-2e86-b2f277ed7753@freebsd.org> <20210628231143.098884e5@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20210628231143.098884e5@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? To: RW Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GDQ8C3d44z4qL3 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=XQjG2yhk; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 00:19:24 -0000 On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:11 PM RW via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:45:29 +0200 > Stefan Esser wrote: > > > > The only drawback compared to a modern card is raw performance (but > > the 7750 is already faster than today's typical on-chip VGAs) and > > lack of HW decoding of modern video codecs like VP9. > > I wonder if hardware decoding is actually important on desktop > processors. I'm using integrated Intel HD 2500 graphics from > 8 years ago with the i915 driver and, AFAIK, I'm seeing 3d > acceleration, but not getting hardware decoding for video. > > 1080p x264 decoding in software is using only about 28% of a core with > vlc, 4k video on a 1080p display is about 180%. This is on an 8 year > old, bottom of the range, quad core, sandy bridge i5 cpu. > _______________________________________________ > On an 8 year old i915, I'm guessing Ivy Bridge, you should get video acceleration with libva-intel-driver. You may also want libva-intel-hybrid-driver. It should, at very least, work though it may not help. The media-driver requires a newer GPU. Braodwell or newer, though. On my 10 year old Sandy Bridge system the CPU utilization for playing an H.264 encoded video dropped CPU from 60% to about 10%. I could even play video with a compile running as long as the compile was niced. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 28 17:05:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31437658ECD for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GDDWC6Hcgz3kv7 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D6260658ECC; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EC8659314 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GDDWC3B0lz3kxl; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 15SH4uok063041; Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:04:55 -0700 From: Chris To: Greg V Cc: Robert Huff , x11@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old NVIDIA card, new FreeBSD = failure? In-Reply-To: References: <36919.1624649280@segfault.tristatelogic.com> <24790.13300.679983.900189@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <778F35B8-10F3-4D4D-8200-A235FD9A0762@unrelenting.technology> <24791.42526.208238.436624@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <7a6c8bac11a91dff3b3fc4a1c6782f82@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_4aa19194b6a7f4040545d281b291d390"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GDDWC3B0lz3kxl X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 07:38:07 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:05:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_4aa19194b6a7f4040545d281b291d390 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_c1d6523cb049890b2713a83e906daa56" --=_c1d6523cb049890b2713a83e906daa56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2021-06-27 04:26, Greg V wrote: > On June 26, 2021 10:11:42 PM UTC, Robert Huff wrote: >> >> Greg V : >> >>> Robert Huff : >>> >>> > (For anyone in my position: I _think_ the RX 460 and above >>> >support GCN 2.1, which is what I _think_ is the bottom-end >>> >specification. Cards matching this number seem to start at about >>> >US $50.) >>> >>> GCN is the name of the GPU architecture, not something a GPU >>> "supports".. >> >> Got that; the "support" is from the software. >> I have two conflicting desires: >> a) I want to run modern applications ... >> on the latest stable version of X ... >> using an actively maintained and >> improved version of amdgpu/drm ... >> working with reasonably high-performance hardware. > > Yes, all you need is a GCN GPU. Avoid the really old pre-GCN (TeraScale and > older) > architectures and you'll be fine. > >> b) I have a very limited budget, and would ideally like to be >> able to use this on older systems - say ones with a PCIe 2.0 >> expansion slot. > > No conflict here: PCI Express generations are all backward and forward > compatible. > You can run the newest gen4 cards in gen2 slots just fine (obviously at gen2 > bandwidth). > > Similarly it's all compatible between different lane counts, e.g. you can > shove an > x16 card into an x4 slot (if it's not an open ended slot.. it can be made > open-ended with a rotary tool :D) You can also paint contacts on the card to enable/disable "features" as required for a given scenario. :D. 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I'm using integrated Intel HD 2500 graphics from > > 8 years ago with the i915 driver and, AFAIK, I'm seeing 3d > > acceleration, but not getting hardware decoding for video. > > > > 1080p x264 decoding in software is using only about 28% of a core > > with vlc, 4k video on a 1080p display is about 180%. This is on an > > 8 year old, bottom of the range, quad core, sandy bridge i5 cpu. > > _______________________________________________ > > > On an 8 year old i915, I'm guessing Ivy Bridge, you should get video > acceleration with libva-intel-driver. Thanks, that does work. And it is ivy bridge rather than sandy bridge. > On my 10 year old Sandy Bridge system the CPU > utilization for playing an H.264 encoded video dropped CPU from 60% > to about 10%. I could even play video with a compile running as long > as the compile was niced. I've not noticed any impact on video from compiling, unless I run with the default value of kern.sched.preempt_thresh. Perhaps we've found the point at which hardware decoding became relatively insignificant. I've only recently got the Intel graphics working. I originally fell back to using an old nVidia card. If you followed the UPDATING advice exactly nVidia video support fell-off with kernel mode-setting, and I didn't notice. I only found out because someone pointed it out in this list, and he only noticed it in top. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 29 20:52:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7726465292F for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 20:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GDxW429RLz4T4K for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kamikaze@bsdforen.de) Received: from AprilRyan.norad ([46.223.162.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [213.165.67.113]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8hIl-1ltg1N0kt7-004miN; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:52:20 +0200 To: Kristofer , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: Keymapping erased when disconnecting/connecting keyboard Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:52:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4vSqP0cQLjOOaibAHzv/NKREy9iGsR/yNtKYUE3oHolrU1Fx/Va CNvIUhEyXTYIBcrlD+UNOpBC68L1gEyAeF0028xt19tQfXvjCs6TVf7TElU2K5SLs8troBW 1svPPDe77yBQEUqaehzDTbLCZ6i8s81ypWTn2odhA7zABg49unODeBlR/gxnOwqCNEDJ7mW QP7lM/5zspW4r+2/clC9A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rOU6rYA92QI=:63iuk5L+hmAC/35bqyJUYt ITxHASutRUSuVu8f7GOjYNHX+7M2R4Pept+PJgsuH8BF0ibrljFXNzKqSOuM/i+u7KKbEznH5 diuqUeGbMxFVNltZU9nIu980mbr/OuLm7c88dCaxbrZ7rIjNJxDNkZ/K3QUzLu8u2+HFRnELJ LZEnv1Z44Q9rGaQbwIOGRnEW8OQgN+zEPVUv8CpMzOlamD6g6cvj4lItC+sKLxsGXZ7Al9CFI 1GJNU0RddIgimOqtX3eLyQpBIiksejtiRoQwD1lwhgo4SQT3AUoT+IMrYAEmTBmrMD5/GcFLA Kod8Zs5Hey91AjT3uWP7Ymv3O10au2Ve9l2PiMc39rYvmhbkZIbR3mZ9nYCfMs07yIdJW3h9F WvPZ/SIchrFAo4vY5xbseOkXijm01RgqmAW+wx2vp+ArQrrSel/rLyFehzbeuuK3omBQVGPbO HsG6teLvjFnsN/v1D0RuFPqdl07aviR9g6m97mBgKyco0clNK9XHCoV8X2YdWgJzVkL/kd8Cx lBvn856w5mXzqAdNtpvluE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GDxW429RLz4T4K X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kamikaze@bsdforen.de does not designate 212.227.17.13 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kamikaze@bsdforen.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.08 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.976]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[protonmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.223.162.244:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_NEUTRAL(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdforen.de]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from:127.0.2.255]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 20:52:33 -0000 On 28/06/2021 19:17, Kristofer via freebsd-questions wrote: > ... > > I have another issue that I have not seen before FreeBSD 13.0. I frequently unplug the keyboard to use on another machine and I have been doing this for many years on older FreeBSD installations without any issues. Now with 13.0, every time I plug in the keyboard again, I have US keymap and it ignores the setting I have in /etc/rc.conf. locale is also unmodified, as epxected. The kaymap is correctly set to Swedish keymap when I log in, but as soon as I remove/re-add the keyboard, it is lost. I don't know about the rc.conf settings but I experience something similar in Xorg. I'm using the us layout using the altgr-intl variant and the variant is occasionally forgotten when I plug a new keyboard in (I'm using a KM switch). I.e. it reverts to vanilla US. I'm running i3 and AFAIK it doesn't mess with the keyboard settings. > On top of that, I haven't been able to figure out how to get get the keymap back without rebooting the machine. There has got to be some simple thing I'm missing here. I restore the setting by executing `setxkbmap us altgr-intl`. The first argument is the layout, the second the variant. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 29 21:55:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5267F6535B0 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:55:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yasu@utahime.org) Received: from gate.home.utahime.org (gate.home.utahime.org [183.180.29.210]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GDyvn19Mwz4Y7c for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yasu@utahime.org) Received: from eastasia.home.utahime.org (eastasia.home.utahime.org [192.168.174.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-384) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by gate.home.utahime.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE95B3638F for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:55:23 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=utahime.org; s=maybe2019112701; t=1625003723; bh=+tn0KLEPp1f0Sx26/aGn7JJgPVafJVBqFZryBNm7fjk=; h=Date:To:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:References; b=bo/hAtzx1FhigMZWICeNxOPzqDszpg97OT826hqut1Ih3bx/RuyJWZXskSOlYmUaR LSyM6iwpPm4V6C91MRWV8I+JXTEsnMhb7OLiI1ngcMXO7Z1iyjspnzyIh5Jp6iWoHN qCvXrT2EHeUF/XX1YSpX008Pnvhnv5jdURVTIWoM8G9LicyJ+mv86z7fCzTeLsIKy0 7LCHQZx1ZwRyrIIrCsoy8GbJ2muo8LdZTWuAKKOHzMkMPHiDGhDacHrh+p4WuBuipk YSdhiluGhTETd1Hl+yJ4zMlneXGn7UHMDLKz3HY1maOKiwgymllP8z5BkURbykWwLd cs5sRNm+/AC+w== Received: from localhost (rolling.home.utahime.org [192.168.174.11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-384)) (No client certificate requested) by eastasia.home.utahime.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09E5E5AF66; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:55:22 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.3 at eastasia.home.utahime.org Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:53:49 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20210630.065349.1086999653536948054.yasu@utahime.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Keymapping erased when disconnecting/connecting keyboard From: Yasuhiro Kimura In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 27.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GDyvn19Mwz4Y7c X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=utahime.org header.s=maybe2019112701 header.b=bo/hAtzx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yasu@utahime.org designates 183.180.29.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yasu@utahime.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[utahime.org:s=maybe2019112701]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[183.180.29.210:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[utahime.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:spf-authorized.utahime.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[utahime.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[183.180.29.210:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2519, ipnet:183.180.0.0/16, country:JP]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:55:34 -0000 From: Kristofer via freebsd-questions Subject: Keymapping erased when disconnecting/connecting keyboard Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:17:57 +0000 > I have another issue that I have not seen before FreeBSD 13.0. I frequently unplug the keyboard to use on another machine and I have been doing this for many years on older FreeBSD installations without any issues. Now with 13.0, every time I plug in the keyboard again, I have US keymap and it ignores the setting I have in /etc/rc.conf. locale is also unmodified, as epxected. The kaymap is correctly set to Swedish keymap when I log in, but as soon as I remove/re-add the keyboard, it is lost. > On top of that, I haven't been able to figure out how to get get the keymap back without rebooting the machine. There has got to be some simple thing I'm missing here. > For reference, the keyboard in question is identified this way in /var/log/messages in case that makes any difference to how I should solve it > > kernel: ukbd0: on usbus3 > > TIA, > Kristofer If you change keyboard settings by setting such variables as keymap, keyrate, keybell, etc. in /etc/rc.conf, then you can restore the status of boot time by executing `service syscons restart` with root privilege. There are two points to note. 1. This restores settings of console, i.e. either vt(4) or syscons(4). If you want to restore that of X server, I'm not sure if you can restore without restarting it. 2. Keep in mind terminating X server before executing the command. Though I have never tried it, it is very likely it results in chaotic situation if you forgot it. --- Yasuhiro Kimura From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 30 16:40:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04746678C7 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gundoghusse@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch (mail-4319.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GFRt527Dbz4sB1 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gundoghusse@protonmail.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:40:34 +0000 To: Dominic Fandrey From: Kristofer Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Reply-To: Kristofer Subject: Re: Keymapping erased when disconnecting/connecting keyboard Message-ID: <5S4hJQQAkXOAEvHp14QUyl2aeHjUWjJWPIs5ZD_lOh_lBzTOnOwdHLsZSVVg_PKvWF2Y2jT0ClKP4S2kis8oxB0z4uQ69S40MTI4xEFyUWQ=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GFRt527Dbz4sB1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[gundoghusse@protonmail.com]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.43.0/24]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.com:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[protonmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.70.43.19:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:40:46 -0000 Thanks Dominic, that gets it so I can restore the keymap without having to = kill/restart X. The below at least shows *what* happened although I don't k= now *why* it happens now and not before. Some change in the USB stack on Fr= eeBSD, perhaps? ~> setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc105 layout: se variant: nodeadkeys options: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp ~> setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc105 layout: us ~> setxkbmap se nodeadkeys ~> setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc105 layout: se variant: nodeadkeys options: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Tuesday, June 29th, 2021 at 10:52 PM, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > On 28/06/2021 19:17, Kristofer via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > ... > > > > I have another issue that I have not seen before FreeBSD 13.0. I freque= ntly unplug the keyboard to use on another machine and I have been doing th= is for many years on older FreeBSD installations without any issues. Now wi= th 13.0, every time I plug in the keyboard again, I have US keymap and it i= gnores the setting I have in /etc/rc.conf. locale is also unmodified, as ep= xected. The kaymap is correctly set to Swedish keymap when I log in, but as= soon as I remove/re-add the keyboard, it is lost. > > I don't know about the rc.conf settings but I experience something simila= r in Xorg. > > I'm using the us layout using the altgr-intl variant and the variant is o= ccasionally > > forgotten when I plug a new keyboard in (I'm using a KM switch). I.e. it = reverts to > > vanilla US. > > I'm running i3 and AFAIK it doesn't mess with the keyboard settings. > > > On top of that, I haven't been able to figure out how to get get the ke= ymap back without rebooting the machine. There has got to be some simple th= ing I'm missing here. > > I restore the setting by executing `setxkbmap us altgr-intl`. The first a= rgument is > > the layout, the second the variant. 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You can submit a bug report following the links on freebsd.org making the request. Otherwise, if you're up to it, you can try copying the gcc48 port over to a port similar in name, just call it gcc49, and attempt to modify the Makefile to see how far you can get. It shouldn't be all that hard considering it a minor revision. ~Paul On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:31 PM YASSER HELMY via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 1 03:34:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0C965567D for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 03:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com (mail-il1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GFkNf6gMyz3DkP for ; 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.79)[0.793]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[yahoo.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 03:34:43 -0000 Perhaps if you explain why it needs to be that exact version of gcc, there may be a different/better/easier solution... Good luck Michael On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 22:55 Paul Procacci wrote: > gcc49 isn't available via pkg. You can submit a bug report following the > links on freebsd.org making the request. > Otherwise, if you're up to it, you can try copying the gcc48 port over to a > port similar in name, just call it gcc49, and attempt to modify the > Makefile to see how far you can get. > It shouldn't be all that hard considering it a minor revision. > > ~Paul > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:31 PM YASSER HELMY via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 1 16:40:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11F36672AA for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from www-data@vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca) Received: from vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca (vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca [51.161.153.108]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GG3qV74H0z4ZZg for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from www-data@vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca) Received: from vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTP id 161CVtHK025086 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:31:55 GMT Received: (from www-data@localhost) by vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 161CVtHj025085; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:31:55 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:31:55 GMT Message-Id: <202107011231.161CVtHj025085@vps-ea61f194.vps.ovh.ca> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Se adjuntan los archivos correspondientes a su comprobante. 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Since a time I can't remember =C6=A2 have an issue. Before printing the doc= ument I wat there is a page with garbage "jjj aaaa cccc qqq q u u eeee sss". This is annoying to use a page for nothing. My /etc/printcap: lp:\ :lp=3D9100@192.168.1.176:\ :sh=3Dfalse:\ :sb=3Dfalse:\ :mx#0:\ :sd=3D/var/spool/output/lpd:\ :if=3D/usr/local/libexec/psif:\ :lf=3D/var/log/lpd-errs: lpc status all = = =EE=82=B6= =E2=9C=94 lp: queuing is enabled printing is enabled no entries in spool area printer idle The printer is a Lexmarks MB2236 I made a blog post about how I installed the printer (look at the `lpr` par= t). With those instructions the printer worked perfectlly. I think I have the same configuration, but some thing goes wrong.=20 If somebody can see where the issue is, I will be happy to discuss with. Thanks for reading me. --=20 Jacques Foucry --wjDqjzu5bf/BiYlp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRd29C9s3PtOgNIX2tkcaT/7DX1XwUCYN7Ys18UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NURE QkQwQkRCMzczRUQzQTAzNDg1RjZCNjQ3MUE0RkZFQzM1RjU1RgAKCRBkcaT/7DX1 X3fPAP9wEIK/X1DG0C1JIOfaDoidO+pqK83GRmbp8PBkvL8kpgD/d74oQwGvgyAr JSxqc8KNX0JTBHzZzg3Vx/8jS3pKC+I= =rEqM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wjDqjzu5bf/BiYlp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 2 19:40:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3401767197F for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 19:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hans@beastielabs.net) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net [194.109.24.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.xs4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GGlmD0xbZz3jgv for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 19:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hans@beastielabs.net) Received: from cust-b45927b3 ([IPv6:fc0c:c11f:1a16:eab0:99de:cb24:256:b84d]) by smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net with ESMTPSA id zP1DlCH3g48ZvzP1FlN2CR; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 21:40:09 +0200 Subject: Re: LPD with issue To: Jacques Foucry References: Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List From: Hans Ottevanger Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 21:40:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfNVwW1wN7HEvUG/z/T8HnqwAl1lHT6eNqWvYIGzBJ6hgJibQh3Q86R3QrSzR4kDU2ZcTRFLE2TSjvfsf1LHAliUk+S0LwJRReEbhdHzx/wDgOyOJ3U4E WdqR5iTn3DcddNQFKQA/0HYNZ8NeeK474kAUFWrBgPR5JhWqgexnPqLP+zTDNQmpENWMjSdZ4I4A859wB2aHTHnuoyNEbqM0n4PIhaHXAtHGrK1vafwhqCKl qaCocOebgA4jOtJ8eolu9lCthd9FV0KXHS7r5eLXmBk= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GGlmD0xbZz3jgv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hans@beastielabs.net has no SPF policy when checking 194.109.24.29) smtp.mailfrom=hans@beastielabs.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[194.109.24.29:from]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[194.109.24.29:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[194.109.24.29:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[192.168.1.176:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[beastielabs.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[194.109.24.29:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[192.168.1.176:email]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:40:13 -0000 On 7/2/21 11:13 AM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello folks, > > Last yesr or may be before I ask you about LPD configuration. > > Since a time I can't remember Ƣ have an issue. Before printing the document I > wat there is a page with garbage "jjj aaaa cccc qqq q u u eeee sss". > > This is annoying to use a page for nothing. > > My /etc/printcap: > > > lp:\ > :lp=9100@192.168.1.176:\ > :sh=false:\ > :sb=false:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:\ > :if=/usr/local/libexec/psif:\ > :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs: > > lpc status all  ✔ > lp: > queuing is enabled > printing is enabled > no entries in spool area > printer idle > > > The printer is a Lexmarks MB2236 > > I made a blog post about how I installed the printer (look at the `lpr` part). > With those instructions the printer worked perfectlly. > I think I have the same configuration, but some thing goes wrong. > > If somebody can https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/printing/#printing-lpdsee where the issue is, I will be happy to discuss with. > > Thanks for reading me. > sb ("short header") and sh ("suppress header") are both booleans that are false by default. They need to be specified without an assignment if you want them to be true. In your case I would skip the sb flag altogether and specify the sh flag as true, like this: :sh: \ See also section 9.5 of the handbook: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/printing/#printing-lpd Kind regards, Hans Ottevanger hans@beastielabs.net www.beastielabs.net