From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 12:13:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06C6667B3 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:13:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kkchn.in@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x52f.google.com (mail-pg1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN5Qy1pcmz4nk7 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kkchn.in@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id h4so15105724pgp.5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 05:13:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SZRrKq4ZMrxEdfQcYEhITxhncbslW9K2HOXhEE3vSTU=; b=UM3qzaGr6dmmueNgJMgCLVOKKX9zvchKxF4ziDuy0yLG72yS0AM+M4+12A8vKalakA M0K3A5jfD4R8rASwo55Pr6560rFkbBpIGQRysfNDXX5YyyhVL3PYceDMfQZQXHFd702+ zyfiy8WsvFt0K6coDeBc0mkKBuo6aPBDe89rO/6MAa6qvWrQHwlWuN9S+uuPCoPnHW3z hNRD0XnKQvNcggTrsvh8UzgMzYjfSKRhJJPCv8TK/1oPvSNE1tpS8x0V7T1l0SD0UKFs 1Xiju4NNehXV4XcXxpl9NtbydVB9aCyHOpfdvvEIC9tZG+usowarzER3mWj+mnoQr7LZ /+lg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SZRrKq4ZMrxEdfQcYEhITxhncbslW9K2HOXhEE3vSTU=; b=mSwG9agc4ad0MeTLrMwABLE62mULYeDB4aF/xql/8r49KjSGSRWDwHBwcDBQH7mGa9 GxXdo+B3VOlxGVp3BjWom8iA0LZsFUO6QubkVDTa/hcnwPQokohfe+zrIlwy/JoFS44P OOKrTVsIO4X0LE/mxDpvcd69AwtxGFoD80MYInXMINVtTVG5x4D+/o1oXPkuA7Al0DHu ecxBxiNXm536PmxrVjQ1xDlfprCWNEA8QfVbj73sXj0t1yAx5DhQFfUH9sxloLreayNM cLbFT4d5Ck3J9UgrUZArRzMWUDU7AjDeS23GCShPADrh+9g6TJH/pgZn4rRipriYWxGZ XeTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531e/KKAoWYqWAVFQsf9EDtUq0iy6ouemf6owbTFioIWfd3nkdhp iB05/cVpuCSUNpYCrWyOZghVqeLaPfYB6CtCmAagWSbq4pZNhg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyGGXsSKd53XlhWHawxYEgwNzzPZbl/ESG3/hVwjy0lkFDXvQYWg3t24qXrGQ0OLZn8uGl/B2+uXsrsYCQ34f8= X-Received: by 2002:a63:d211:: with SMTP id a17mr47980072pgg.265.1626005624230; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: KK CHN Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:43:28 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Analyzing Log files of very large size To: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN5Qy1pcmz4nk7 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UM3qzaGr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kkchnin@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kkchnin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.06 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.960]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.968]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:13:47 -0000 List, I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much large files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials if any. All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. Regards, Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 12:32:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA2766702A for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from prima.febras.net (prima.febras.net [62.76.193.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.febras.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Organization Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN5rK4BMWz4sT1 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:32:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host.164-138-89-193.broadband.redcom.ru [164.138.89.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: serejk@febras.net) by prima.febras.net ("FEB RAS network Mail Server") with ESMTPSA id 3D1D855B900; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:33:02 -0000 Hi there! I hope I won't stir up a rats nest here but why is the Jails section in the Handbook so updated with respect to containerization. I know FBSD invented the chroot on steroids concept and that I've been doing many of the things Linuxers boast about today on Docker, probably since I switched to FBSD circa 2006 IIRC. My question is twofold: (a) why is the Handbook, and perhaps the FBSD community, adverse to the term 'Container"? I.e. in 2021 shouldn't the Handbook section be titled something like "Jails and Containers" ? (b) why are the other jail management tools not listed on the Handbook? With all the respect that Dirk and the rest of EzJail maintainers deserve, EzJail is a great and stable tool, but seems a bit stalled IMHO (last update AFAICT was in 2015). Meanwhile, BastilleBSD and iocage and probably several others are advancing in exciting directions to provide pipelines equivalent, or better than Docker. I know this is a loaded question, and probably a very "developer centric" viewpoint. But you have no idea how badly I would like to replace every Docker/Linux CI/CD pipeline on the planet with FreeBSD+X+ZFS. I think the market itself wants a good solid alternative and my dream has been that FBSD be that alternative. Yet I see all this exciting stuff happening on FBSD and Containerization and the Handbook is probably still in 2006. Please flames to /dev/null and just wondering why this is so.... Is it just lack of volunteering to update that section, or are there more deeper/political issues to leave Jails "pure, so to speak. Sincerely, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 13:17:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C923B667AD5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from dd39600.kasserver.com (dd39600.kasserver.com [85.13.155.197]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN6r05TQ5z3H4t for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from uhura.hoffmann.computer (ipb21bed7e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.27.237.126]) by dd39600.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E508722A2940 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:17:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=simonhoffmann.net; s=dkim1; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=S7pQ3dT49TJQLQ/vQCmyZ8mczEoB1fS4w+dP62964eA=; b=ePUTlGaakF6SfEml87oNVNmPmc h2FncuSOcuRYZR8GGE9u7by/H9FbdvzhLOqAtNIPJpV/ugteXxXagtxNar6CULgctNCGRxMs6zk3c Uz8uoM+WyI2F9024M1clLi+hLjuZcb5Ozjyxct068RgQk3nDM5tDZ8QDUmcC1jXb1Vs8MY1yIP+gY sxkgyxwrK2uZQw66np5cr2U2HHud9cAhpnDxquzlQ51+XpOAQ7m2PFz81i0hGa+yxeUYvfeY47C59 4xBZ48cZaejbXw0B+k7aFdPyqkzvXRQa6RkVcd7dZey6rUUf7JezDu32Rd+cnlBNk5ioxjQhBg0lM SUsTRVkg==; Received: from [192.168.170.81] (port=37098 helo=admin02.HOFF.local) by uhura.hoffmann.computer with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2ZKI-0004qA-23; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:16:55 +0200 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F27.60EAEF46.0084, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:16:53 +0200 From: Simon Hoffmann To: David Raver Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> Mail-Followup-To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-sophos-spx-encrypt: 0 abuse: abuse@hoffmann.computer X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN6r05TQ5z3H4t X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=simonhoffmann.net header.s=dkim1 header.b=ePUTlGaa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=simonhoffmann.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@simonhoffmann.net designates 85.13.155.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@simonhoffmann.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:w012befb.kasserver.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[simonhoffmann.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[simonhoffmann.net,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.155.0/24, country:DE]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.27.237.126:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.41)[-0.413]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[simonhoffmann.net:s=dkim1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.850]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:17:05 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey David,=20 I'd like to add something. =20 > So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on FreeBSD. > Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. The linker > failed, though. > Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't support > what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that. > Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++) > development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I looked up > (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started the upgrade. >=20 > Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade fail= ed > in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was unusable, but > the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black screen. Which commands did you use? I am also new to FreeBSD. I've setup a NAS with FreeBSD last year on 12.0. A month ago I upgraded to 13.0 without any problems. I just followed the docs: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/ In a nutshell: pkg update pkg upgrade reboot freebsd-update fetch freebsd-update install reboot freebsd-update -r 13.0-RELEASE upgrade freebsd-update install reboot freebsd-update install pkg-static upgrade -f All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform the= update on first try without any problems. >=20 > Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. OK, I > said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway. > Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which will > automatically solve all of the problems. > Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded ( > https://www.freebsd.org/where/) file. Booted up with the option 1 (multip= le > users, as it should be the usual case, right?). > Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user account I > was met with the console demanding username and password from me. What?!? > The first thing that went through my mind was that if this had been the > case with a certain Microsoft's operating system, it surely wouldn't have > had the market share it has today. I just downloaded the FreeBSD "bootonly" image. First I was asked whether to run the Live CD or to install. You should choo= se install. I was then asked to choose the installation disk and a network interface. The next questions was then to specify the root user password. After this, more questions are asked for timezone, which features to enable= etc. Then, you can directly create an additional user that you work with. The us= er creation process is very self explanatory, as it asks each parameter of a u= ser in natural language. After this, the installation is finished and you can boot into your system = and login with your credentials. Time: 5 min. >=20 > After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page I came > up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this isn't going to d= o. > I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's install that. > But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a superuser. No problem. > Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. Tried su. It said: "Sorry". > What?!? Sudo is not installed per default, but can be installed with pkg add sudo. su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook that an= swers pretty much every question? Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer. No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy = in > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? Again, the Handbook is your best friend. https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/= handbook/x11/ You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and pre-compiled= binaries that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and build yo= urself, to fulfill all your needs. Such wow! In a nutshell: pkg install xorg pw groupmod video -m pkg install urwfonts pkg install x11/sddm echo dbus_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab echo sddm_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can basi= cally copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can handl= e a few keystrokes. Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > Can't remember what because I shut the OS down and hit a couple of dels > removing everything even remotely related to FreeBSD from my computer. You know, you could always ask politely to get help... >=20 > So, before yous geniuses decide to make an OS even remotely usable so that > an average developer doesn't need to have a doctorate of General BSDvity > Theory in order to use it, it's Goodby from me Argentina. Again, the Handbook is your friend. Right at the top of the page for X11 it says "Users who prefer an installat= ion method that automatically configures the Xorg should refer to GhostBSD, MidnightBS= D or NomadBSD." You do know that for example Ubuntu does come with lots of different ISOs? There is the Server ISO without a GUI, Desktop ISO with whatever Canonical = thinks is the best Environment, Ubuntu Mate, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu. It's almost as if you should read a minute beforehand to know which ISO to = choose. Or choose the server ISO and install a GUI yourself, which, you know, requi= res to install xorg, a login manager, a window manager...... So, before you genius start to work with FreeBSD again, you maybe should ta= ke 30 minutes to read the important parts of the Handbook. 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NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.90)[0.899]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102f:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:14:00 -0000 Yes, it is. On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 6:02 PM Korolev Sergey wrote: > Is it a plain text file? > > On 11 Jul 2021, at 22:13, KK CHN wrote: > > List, > > I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall > around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. > > What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much large > files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials if > any. > > All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. > > Regards, > Kris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 14:38:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1025668276 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.optonline.net", Issuer "DigiCert Global CA G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN8fB1LcKz3hWs for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=optonline.net; s=dkim-001; t=1626014321; bh=SAsiVYb/g+K43JRc/nGHqqE8PGuXKqkh8JdrjnMElG4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id; b=gwS6fn/9UXbLQZjovV8KJfY1gdasPamP+oUSEc9InJsjG064JWqOOsmRe6hdUuw/o IJ26ckz5UppOJ9hW16Jn6f8Ihqpph9PA/4VUttE9YgN55oKCaQumsfRcP7V5QU+J6C gTOtdN6bsnybwVONOTS9hpV/YpDYfHp5o2knv0MI3qaRJRKwCJ6gIeFKiB/xuHNJX1 sYveDd9iEhFEkOGPM1th80AZnhNdqgFt/9aeAnJqzOQyvoOOiAVN+FOzCY9WcEC9rj APdEzdo7NwBLSIDJ+UoJPyZMF+63Po2hrIiTmdCjFE5c/Q/yZ303IPPLufveEUjHES vhhMzI0/HG75Q== X-Content-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=c+swvS1l c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=HwdfnXRxwAscIlw0plT8Bw==:117 a=HwdfnXRxwAscIlw0plT8Bw==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=1-5IeoEqAAAA:8 a=uaUzlq7pTKPnv3L8bGgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=v_kyThoKIqzX6gtT0hLe:22 Received: from [24.185.145.223] ([24.185.145.223:38017] helo=happy.dwarf7.net) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 81/B7-14511-0720BE06; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 10:38:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 10:38:39 -0400 From: Vlad Markov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Analyzing Log files of very large size Message-Id: <20210711103839.61dfd4baafa38984f208b707@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN8fB1LcKz3hWs X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=optonline.net header.s=dkim-001 header.b=gwS6fn/9; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dvoich@optonline.net designates 167.206.4.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dvoich@optonline.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.05 / 15.00]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[167.206.4.198:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:167.206.4.192/27]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[optonline.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[24.185.145.223:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6128, ipnet:167.206.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[167.206.4.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[optonline.net:s=dkim-001]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[167.206.4.198:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[optonline.net]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.953]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[optonline.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[167.206.4.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:38:42 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:43:41 +0530 KK CHN wrote: > Yes, it is. > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 6:02 PM Korolev Sergey wrote: > > > Is it a plain text file? > > > > On 11 Jul 2021, at 22:13, KK CHN wrote: > > > > List, > > > > I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall > > around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. > > > > What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much large > > files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials if > > any. > > > > All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. > > > > Regards, > > Kris I used to use split to break up large log files into manageable pieces. From there it depends on how you work. At first we used grep then we moved on to using perl regex to analyze logs. Vlad -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 15:38:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C001668D75 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN9zZ4wh7z3rDM for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626017931; x=1628609931; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=iAU8d+ecnihU2yrTiQl7JcL21GPRYwN5uUT0V4V+Knw=; b=ixHZuIA6XMP05DXHTe7ZBtxSb1Pmqq4klD9dHvAUk85ohHPTc4Dcly6XnCTsQvdO5KtB6Zk3FUkN7nJ4s+mCxwOVZ6dIFVifYO0bYvIe13ovqlKv07P3gN5qTuf9z2wdwOUGa6nkQcMDPjz283jXCjdSKeVbKCQgqt8FQyPvMrU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDg5MTcxN2UuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:38:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:38:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m2bXQ-000AsD-3s; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:38:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:38:35 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Simon Hoffmann Cc: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-Id: <20210711163835.afb8d88366f39490d662d09e@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN9zZ4wh7z3rDM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=ixHZuIA6; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.43 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.729]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d2000891717e.3c356d71bca406f3e551642bb4bf7a94@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:38:51 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:16:53 +0200 Simon Hoffmann wrote: > I just downloaded the FreeBSD "bootonly" image. > After this, the installation is finished and you can boot into your > system and login with your credentials. > > Time: 5 min. Things have certainly become much easier than they were in 1.x days. First download and write about thirty floppy images, boot the first one and start answering questions before swapping floppies for the next hour or so. Say words that may not be printed when the twentieth floppy gives a read error and you have to start all over again. Once you have it all installed build a kernel with the drivers you need and without the ones you don't so that you can actually use all the hardware. yooferterday dunno how easy they have it -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 16:23:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B25566AA3D for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c37800008ebf41.2e4dbabd22d0c6a7fd72d871edd37225@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.181.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNBzV3k76z4Rf5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c37800008ebf41.2e4dbabd22d0c6a7fd72d871edd37225@email-od.com) X-Thread-Info: OTNhYi4xMi5jMzc4MDAwMDhlYmY0MS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxh4.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:23:42 -0400 Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:23:41 -0400 Received: from [100.82.159.45] (121.sub-174-192-66.myvzw.com [174.192.66.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 16BGNQsT084718 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:23:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) From: Tim Daneliuk CC: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:23:19 -0500 Message-ID: <17a966154d8.281e.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <20210711163835.afb8d88366f39490d662d09e@sohara.org> References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> <20210711163835.afb8d88366f39490d662d09e@sohara.org> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.30.0-1826 (build: 103000001) Subject: Re: Goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:23:27 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 16BGNQsT084718 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.878, required 6, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MISSING_HEADERS 1.02) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNBzV3k76z4Rf5 X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tundraware.com:+,email-od.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tundraware.com,reject]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c37800008ebf41.2e4dbabd22d0c6a7fd72d871edd37225@email-od.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.192.66.121:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:53658, ipnet:142.0.180.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c37800008ebf41.2e4dbabd22d0c6a7fd72d871edd37225@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tundraware.com:s=slkey,email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:51 -0000 On July 11, 2021 10:39:18 AM " > > yooferterday dunno how easy they have it > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith Entitled lot, aren't they... I remember when we didn't have 1s and 0s. Had to make do with ells and ohs... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 16:54:45 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA0366ADF8 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x102d.google.com (mail-pj1-x102d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNCg83stRz4Vl1 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x102d.google.com with SMTP id me13-20020a17090b17cdb0290173bac8b9c9so695505pjb.3 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 09:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=scvtbpSmN0UrniAcyIa9d4hFPJ9ZvrV9jf+ujpe496Y=; b=QjXH6vsLfYpjyxuV/+89sIJSruO+naSTYLP2DdsurLqSekw6YI5rbnU/1LDf3b62GX EmF8/yyiNg67lA4qsBVrg/wCRQ3GU+HyGyNeiFkZ+Lab5OzBXJ5d7MtM/k2ydM1L6tlI 2tvmPnVg2UEibonkyqqmrjEiJYYVOqbyaxvKZGD+e4h29bTWAUv6vtz/6MS18gDPfeCD c5LlJYUtCtbcZOdBOGOO7hMLED/fyFSc0AJY0O24JufcH163FaVWgIrOlsYgPUH5EqmO /FgRi3p772yyvkVn+1+jZFPyF3dYK203FoOIDhN6bmAn/dgfFi6QwRgcnoqN1+SFQRh7 pYuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=scvtbpSmN0UrniAcyIa9d4hFPJ9ZvrV9jf+ujpe496Y=; b=GG3c0sqPTrGdXkoB/8w8oqt86WuTrbUV1facxaYkS9J1kJAQVeMLfwqoSlm8kpMNC7 lWfx0IIdt0coz2xb2H3GlEhntj/3O7AcHCF1sSBPPR59R5s7OzQdyYcEcxkZb+Z21d6v nUIFkLhgL5abPn0cGLVIBPWZML90jsefaavhuxjz09zGhR8kkKRPpd03447sVHaSlAKE RytJIptxHZJWi06p1IL83LdHQgyG9zBBSh55qLmy0w4YhQpbq+H+DnMrzhY6Beih4vf9 zz8XPCR3VZYQhi1UHbaWiwSPearcVoP00UCqogVR4335iIJTAA1dy4I16KZmsyuuBhG2 aZNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xWTDZoyARSlgE/aLlhy3vEE8+LiMF59SY//YBd4rqWfJXrpnH 8JtXI/9SaNWaA0/BSevTUJAqPPERCkCjUZBqyQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpeM6ZU11q4iiTHO6fX7TEoVc88pV4vaDUA9Raa4AQ5dMlJl/5oUdsa6mCCoXfD6gsLal+DpspZdJD7lPk4l8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7610:b029:12b:f9f:727 with SMTP id k16-20020a1709027610b029012b0f9f0727mr1187089pll.65.1626022482880; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNCg83stRz4Vl1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QjXH6vsL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.46 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.54)[0.538]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:54:45 -0000 It's okay to fail and blame your failure on your lack of abilities. No one here will hold that against you. FreeBSD is superior to most others in many many ways. Surely it has some warts, but they are far and few between. I've been saying this for 3 decades now and I continue to say it. FreeBSD is an administrators' OS at heart. Whether true or not at this point in time is mostly irrelevant to me only that I still say it. YOU failed to conquer it; that's no one else's fault but your own. ~Paul On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:58 PM David Raver wrote: > To Whom It May Concern: > > This is not merely a question, it's mostly a complaint. Let me explain. > > Some time ago I started a (c++) project which I wanted to make as general > (in an OS sense) as possible. > Meaning: the same source (with as little of ifdefs as possible) should > compile, link and run on as many operating systems as possible. > > So... out of the BSD family I chose FreeBSD as I'd read/heard that it had > been... well... the best. > > I installed it into a VirtualBox. Can't remember how, but it was what a > developer needed: a graphical environment, everything easily accessible. As > it should be. > > Then the project was put aside for quite some time until a couple of months > ago when it's extensive generalization was brought to a stage when it > worked on Linux, MacOS and Windows, it's primary systems. > > So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on FreeBSD. > Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. The linker > failed, though. > Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't support > what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that. > Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++) > development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I looked up > (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started the upgrade. > > Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade failed > in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was unusable, but > the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black screen. > > Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. OK, I > said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway. > Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which will > automatically solve all of the problems. > Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded ( > https://www.freebsd.org/where/) file. Booted up with the option 1 > (multiple > users, as it should be the usual case, right?). > Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user account I > was met with the console demanding username and password from me. What?!? > The first thing that went through my mind was that if this had been the > case with a certain Microsoft's operating system, it surely wouldn't have > had the market share it has today. > > After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page I came > up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this isn't going to do. > I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's install that. > But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a superuser. No problem. > Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. Tried su. It said: "Sorry". > What?!? > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer. > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy in > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > Before embarking on such an enterprise, I read some more small print and > found out that, before that, one has to install X (probably demanding > another fresh keyboard). And before that one has to install something else > still. > Can't remember what because I shut the OS down and hit a couple of dels > removing everything even remotely related to FreeBSD from my computer. > > So, before yous geniuses decide to make an OS even remotely usable so that > an average developer doesn't need to have a doctorate of General BSDvity > Theory in order to use it, it's Goodby from me Argentina. > > D. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 17:24:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AB066B2CA for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d2000894f830.8e2fa18e34f1bac9a5679ee26b6e2e02@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNDKs51vhz4Yk0 for ; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d2000894f830.8e2fa18e34f1bac9a5679ee26b6e2e02@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:24:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:23:19 -0500 Tim Daneliuk via freebsd-questions wrote: > On July 11, 2021 10:39:18 AM " > > > > yooferterday dunno how easy they have it > > > > -- > > Steve O'Hara-Smith > Entitled lot, aren't they... I remember when we didn't have 1s and 0s. > Had to make do with ells and ohs... There was a big box of zeroes under the paper tape punch of the teletype I first learned to program with. Every time you punched a zero shard out it left a one hole in the tape. 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Someone might like to improve this book. If possible, make it shorter. Much shorter. In my opinion the book of questions, and pages such as , should make it easier for a newcomer to tell – at a glance – that FreeBSD does not include a GUI. David, if you want a disk image with a desktop environment, you might be interested in topics such as this: FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-amd64-KDE-Plasma (2021-06-23) – tl;dr work in progress, it's not yet understood why the image is not _immediately_ compatible with the most recent guest additions for VirtualBox. 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No one > here will hold that against you. > > FreeBSD is superior to most others in many many ways. > Surely it has some warts, but they are far and few between. > > I've been saying this for 3 decades now and I continue to say it. FreeBSD > is an administrators' OS at heart. > Whether true or not at this point in time is mostly irrelevant to me only > that I still say it. > > YOU failed to conquer it; that's no one else's fault but your own. > > ~Paul > > > I am reading these messages to learn very good ideas and I am pleased to read them . My opinions are "good" plus some "bad" ones . My computing adventure started in 1965 when I was an elementary teacher in a village in Turkey at the age of 18 . In those days their name was "electronic brain" in the field of mathematics "priests" meaning people having very high IQs . I have decided to attend a university but with English language teaching . In Turkey they were Middle East Technical University belonging to the State and Robert College ( a private and ex[ensive one ) . In 1970 at the METU I learned Fortran with my efforts and then I have continued . I have started with FreeBSD 2.x . Since it was unusable , I have waited up to 7.x . I have started to use it upto 9.0 ( still a few hard disk are containing them with a server staying unused , because it could not be possible to run them due to unacceptable slow execution . It could not be possible to find a solution to remedy this problem . I have switched to ( Linux ) Mandriva . Some time later Mndrive has died and I have switched Fedora and I am now using it continuously on all my computers including a NFS server . What is the problem with FreeBSD ? There is no problem with FreeBSD . The problem is it requires an MSc degree ( as exaggerated ) in "How to use FreeBSD" . Always , approximately many persons are saying that use of FreeBSD requires "expertise" to use it . In that case the problem is how to acquire that expertise . If memory of a person is not very sharp , it is necessary to use a thick binder of flash cards about how to install and "adjust" parameters to be able to use it . When KDE is used , it is possible ( perhaps easy ) to use peripherals like in Linux or Windows : No CD , DVD record , no USB stick usage , etc. , if you do not know how to use them through your expertise . Documentation is very excellent , but with a "SINGLE" Handbook or Manuals attempting to cover ALL of the active versions , which is not possible to represent them correctly . I have suggested that "Please make Handbook and Manuals ( these may be ) a part of sources and and a version branched continue to improve Handbook about that version . I think that this idea is not supported . This common Handbook contains many errors due to not being updated correctly with respect to versions ( I say that doing this in that way makes it extremely difficult ) . ( I want to say that my PhD is about "A Multi-Media Information Management System . The more correct name would be... Knowledge ... , but the system is able to design , manage ( Data , Information , Knowledge ), their average may be considered Information ... ) If FreeBSD does not change it policy to move toward "average" ( in the sense of "not expert" ) user level , for me , its future will be difficult because if the user base is small it will likely not many people will support it because , especially commercial companies will not be able to recover expenses about supporting the FreeBSD , meaning their efforts will be on the "loss" side ( excluding exceptions ) . I have opened many bug reports many years before . To my knowledge at least many of them have been resolved . At present I am a subscriber of many mailing lists of FreeBSD and continuously I am reading them . My primary aim is to take a copy of FreeBSD and start from scratch to develop a new one with a very different development structure to improve it because I need such an operating system to support my knowledge base design and management system . The current structure and development system is not able to support it . The best operating system seems to be FreeBSD , if it is not , the next one is DragonFly BSD . Perhaps the other BSD variants are also good , I do not know in detail . Thank you to all of the developers and users of FreeBSD , and my best wishes are for you in this CoVid-19 pandemic and all other days , forever . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:58 PM David Raver wrote: > > > To Whom It May Concern: > > > > This is not merely a question, it's mostly a complaint. Let me explain. > > > > Some time ago I started a (c++) project which I wanted to make as general > > (in an OS sense) as possible. > > Meaning: the same source (with as little of ifdefs as possible) should > > compile, link and run on as many operating systems as possible. > > > > So... out of the BSD family I chose FreeBSD as I'd read/heard that it had > > been... well... the best. > > > > I installed it into a VirtualBox. Can't remember how, but it was what a > > developer needed: a graphical environment, everything easily accessible. > As > > it should be. > > > > Then the project was put aside for quite some time until a couple of > months > > ago when it's extensive generalization was brought to a stage when it > > worked on Linux, MacOS and Windows, it's primary systems. > > > > So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on FreeBSD. > > Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. The linker > > failed, though. > > Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't support > > what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that. > > Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++) > > development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I looked up > > (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started the upgrade. > > > > Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade > failed > > in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was unusable, > but > > the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black screen. > > > > Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. OK, I > > said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway. > > Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which will > > automatically solve all of the problems. > > Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded ( > > https://www.freebsd.org/where/) file. Booted up with the option 1 > > (multiple > > users, as it should be the usual case, right?). > > Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user account I > > was met with the console demanding username and password from me. What?!? > > The first thing that went through my mind was that if this had been the > > case with a certain Microsoft's operating system, it surely wouldn't have > > had the market share it has today. > > > > After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page I > came > > up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this isn't going to > do. > > I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's install that. > > But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a superuser. No > problem. > > Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. Tried su. It said: "Sorry". > > What?!? > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer. > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy > in > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > > > Before embarking on such an enterprise, I read some more small print and > > found out that, before that, one has to install X (probably demanding > > another fresh keyboard). 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm4658220qta.90.2021.07.11.12.13.35 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GNGlL3h37z1TjQ for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:13:23 -0400 From: Jerry To: User questions Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210711151323.00004dbd@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: User questions Organization: seibercom.NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/RpSae4yHFklxAzIxijmGdDn"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNGwQ11tNz4r92 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=iS982pt+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:21:27 -0000 --Sig_/RpSae4yHFklxAzIxijmGdDn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 12:54:30 -0400, Paul Procacci stated: >On Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 1:58 PM David Raver >wrote: > >> To Whom It May Concern: >> >> This is not merely a question, it's mostly a complaint. Let me >> explain. >> >> Some time ago I started a (c++) project which I wanted to make as >> general (in an OS sense) as possible. >> Meaning: the same source (with as little of ifdefs as possible) >> should compile, link and run on as many operating systems as >> possible. >> >> So... out of the BSD family I chose FreeBSD as I'd read/heard that >> it had been... well... the best. >> >> I installed it into a VirtualBox. Can't remember how, but it was >> what a developer needed: a graphical environment, everything easily >> accessible. As it should be. >> >> Then the project was put aside for quite some time until a couple of >> months ago when it's extensive generalization was brought to a stage >> when it worked on Linux, MacOS and Windows, it's primary systems. >> >> So, I fired a VirtualBox up again meaning to try to build it on >> FreeBSD. Sadly it didn't work. Not that it didn't compile. It did. >> The linker failed, though. >> Researching why, I came to a conclusion that it's version didn't >> support what I'd needed. OK, I said, an upgrade should fix that. >> Not being small-time I decided to not only upgrade the c++ (g++) >> development platform, but rather the whole operating system. I >> looked up (on Google) how to do it and... I did it. I mean I started >> the upgrade. >> >> Pay attention now because here it's where it all starts: the upgrade >> failed in such a way that not only the c++ development platform was >> unusable, but the OS refused to boot. All I'd seen had been a black >> screen. >> >> Steam started to blow out of my ears, but I still kept it together. >> OK, I said, maybe the upgrade wasn't a good decision anyway. >> Let's start from scratch and install the latest version (13) which >> will automatically solve all of the problems. >> Fired up a VirtualBox, created a new machine using the downloaded ( >> https://www.freebsd.org/where/) file. Booted up with the option 1 >> (multiple >> users, as it should be the usual case, right?). >> Instead of the expected GUI and some dialogs creating the user >> account I was met with the console demanding username and password >> from me. What?!? The first thing that went through my mind was that >> if this had been the case with a certain Microsoft's operating >> system, it surely wouldn't have had the market share it has today. >> >> After a little research (man, I love the small print!) on your page >> I came up with the account data and logged in. OK, I said, this >> isn't going to do. I need a GUI and some developer tools. Let's >> install that. But, the OS said, you can't do that unless you're a >> superuser. No problem. Tried sudo as I'm used to from Linux. Nope. >> Tried su. It said: "Sorry". What?!? >> Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 >> while booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a >> computer. OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about >> installing a GUI (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised >> that, instead of a oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an >> extended life expectancy in order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's >> War and Peace. Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell >> script?!? >> >> Before embarking on such an enterprise, I read some more small print >> and found out that, before that, one has to install X (probably >> demanding another fresh keyboard). And before that one has to >> install something else still. >> Can't remember what because I shut the OS down and hit a couple of >> dels removing everything even remotely related to FreeBSD from my >> computer. >> >> So, before yous geniuses decide to make an OS even remotely usable >> so that an average developer doesn't need to have a doctorate of >> General BSDvity Theory in order to use it, it's Goodby from me >> Argentina. >> >> D. > >It's okay to fail and blame your failure on your lack of abilities. >No one here will hold that against you. > >FreeBSD is superior to most others in many many ways. >Surely it has some warts, but they are far and few between. > >I've been saying this for 3 decades now and I continue to say it. >FreeBSD is an administrators' OS at heart. >Whether true or not at this point in time is mostly irrelevant to me >only that I still say it. > >YOU failed to conquer it; that's no one else's fault but your own. > >~Paul I have never considered a PC or an OS something to be conquered. The PC runs an OS. The OS's job, and its various applications, sole purpose is to make my life easier. Yoda's most memorable line, "Do Or Do Not. There Is No Try" is most apropos here. I don't care who the author is or what the cost is, if it doesn't make my job, hobby, or whatever I am employing the OS for more effortless, then it is not very helpful to me. I have found several things that FBSD does that make my life easier and more productive. I have also discovered numerous examples of where it is counterproductive. I have learned the hard way; you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The following bug made FreeBSD 12+ and 13.0 unusable for several users. . It took over a year to squash that bug. Once upon a time, I would have considered that absurd, now I just think of it as business as usual. I think the OP needs to understand that no single OS is the ultimate answer to his problems. The OP had set his sights way too high. In all honestly, I did sort of the same thing. In my years of using FBSD alongside other OSs, I have mellowed. I have learned that banging my head against a wall only hurts my head. I hope one day after the OP settles in with whatever OS he has determined best suits his needs, he will consider giving FBSD another look. Hopefully, this time with more realistic expectations. 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AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:31:34 -0000 On 7/11/21 5:13 AM, KK CHN wrote: > List, > > I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall > around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. > > What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much large > files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials if > any. > > All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. On 7/11/21 5:31 AM, Korolev Sergey wrote: > Is it a plain text file? On 7/11/21 7:13 AM, KK CHN wrote: > Yes, it is. On 7/11/21 7:38 AM, Vlad Markov wrote: > I used to use split to break up large log files into manageable pieces. From there it depends on how you work. At first we used grep then we moved on to using perl regex to analyze logs. If this is personal project, I could see doing it in Perl. But, this sounds like the kind of problem that would benefit from concurrent and/or distributed programming; and Perl was not designed for such. So, you will have to work harder if you want those features. But if this project is for an employer or client, I would recommend starting with the commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) log analysis tool made by the hardware vendor. Train up on it. Buy a support contract: https://www.sonicwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/sonicwall-analyzer.pdf David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 13:52:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151B2668222 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN7d26y3zz3MJb for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id z3so19348526oib.9 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 06:52:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k0vZvux+uKX/LIgtk0sP2CD69vcUlsO3mRno0rtrUJk=; b=S1k9rtHLKGx+Z1bkegfUjbzIfZfSKCkkLmExbZJ49TQslw4hvTlTdRnUO4GgPEhBRX o+Bdk4+R+ka4pjW/WHCcVPzVjY1VU9dsr9rKNelmJ5RUiKO8tfz5sGp6lsXuU5kgQ0+u mi4ab3hLRpNHhm6VNTJmMV4pbayEmSRJs+P3kFCLRoIgdb0vF5KadthT/s9F6rUCdx4x DH7E86cCUJw7cZH7zhUiyJ0vLKS39DoZCttJYXy8ZfaK5I8E0e4oKPuqzT3slpn57I9t 82bVymhLVQuvflZvHKYD+6WquUei+2RZY/3pxlTURhwqhdH00HvBe0Cr5aBTm36i/pfV oVpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=k0vZvux+uKX/LIgtk0sP2CD69vcUlsO3mRno0rtrUJk=; b=lgZi9cDCFygxNoM6ID1Egqb5Ng0JtD+3VVIJHx9zhU5T+qUjl5ZeKmRNly0/JG4dRy f7EzoCNUXkn8+HcTjfu63JZR2SRH+fRx0uDl8KmE9NhiSO4ycSOaN4wh+JAzGHa54XyW oYNuPCy5WK9Zhh9DrJyu4dsncnK5/rnTX47RR9ULoFpK4/e+2g8zalgJtq06tYg7i/js gscUbE04Ub8l1LjNsDYZPsy0WCcGQU0BLYHwAZwIqlfM5o5CVxwQA0gxpjf6/Pj94my1 cS+IeF9qCV9FGXYWCMSEIhtRCJow0HalEHSkXAMnHz82jdygkKOMJRcI9EqLysFylyaH rQrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533EQaqq5ony5CJbwRL5+qL6idwzUHMk4U9r4S+hrTd5/kRuKhWM h6n+bsAGlGXz+dAOjmmh0nQCGtYRLJkXT+A1tRw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWMdpHJ/5QUPGFslJ6XTctr+zE+GZdeQEluF+q2ZF9VBFWYz/KCSbdXrlmID49uti5EJdvjwY067ifOBQI+No= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:2024:: with SMTP id q36mr15572342oiw.130.1626011557827; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> In-Reply-To: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> From: David Raver Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN7d26y3zz3MJb X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=S1k9rtHL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davidraver@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davidraver@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.07)[-0.065]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.18)[0.178]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:02:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:40 -0000 On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann wrote: > > Which commands did you use? > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam blowing out of my ears. > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform > the update on > first try without any problems. > Lucky you. > Time: 5 min. > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) BSDvity Theory then. > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook that > answers > pretty much every question? > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little thing one must read it in its entirety. > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in this case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically is not my favourite thing in the world. > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer. > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy > in > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you practically stick it to them. > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > pre-compiled binaries > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and build > yourself, to > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > In a nutshell: > > pkg install xorg > pw groupmod video -m > pkg install urwfonts > pkg install x11/sddm > echo dbus_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > echo sddm_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seven. Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into that. It has to be failsafe. > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can > basically > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > handle a few > keystrokes. > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > As polite as possible: HELP! Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took care of that. > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. D. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 20:11:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2971366DC64 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNJ2M0wTnz3FCg for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 95611 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2021 20:11:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=17579.60eb5079.k2107; bh=W36nkKlG5g72PXLwmvAWRVhCpIlXgJMIIyumVbI4TuU=; b=ZtpvjVywptsMJAv0PPty24yUlC6K6W2L55hK1a8ROpXbbgymICkgry9zWkd6q2dzU42jKMFe3VR/U/NVdMXzNLT6zCZ/dnO7/CLJDp/Q3W2E7Klf2Q5zG7CDsmdNhtlvsIYFZuUPHwFJ7b1xcBtQG1pkTvGFne53mO8HoAlJACHn4+S8aFcD9uZSwrRQn0RQFOLW9EdrAq3RdH5pYmKqEJ8JQNFsUPup37jX0Kc/PQW62IIKQnuOGbqVmf7TMbreHd5Q4yIGAG3+eKzkSe21ttW7FtX9ACDZGWl2sE7lJ4Owp18vXHiM5M28kw2OwkVYb1PCtrlU7ISlvpSahGxRSg== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 11 Jul 2021 20:11:37 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id B3271205F2CA; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: 11 Jul 2021 16:11:35 -0400 Message-Id: <20210711201136.B3271205F2CA@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: dpchrist@holgerdanske.com Subject: Re: Analyzing Log files of very large size In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNJ2M0wTnz3FCg X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=iecc.com header.s=17579.60eb5079.k2107 header.b=ZtpvjVyw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; HAS_WP_URI(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[iecc.com:s=17579.60eb5079.k2107]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:11:40 -0000 It appears that David Christensen said: >On 7/11/21 5:13 AM, KK CHN wrote: >> I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall >> around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. ... >But if this project is for an employer or client, I would recommend >starting with the commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) log analysis tool made >by the hardware vendor. Train up on it. Buy a support contract: > >https://www.sonicwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/sonicwall-analyzer.pdf This is reasonable advice if you plan to be doing these analyses on a regular basis, but it's overkill if you only expect to do it once. I have found that some of the text processing utilities that come with BSD are a lot faster than others. The regex matching in perl is a lot faster than python, sometimes by an order of magnitude. My took of choice is mawk, an implementation of the funky but very useful awk language that is amazingly fast. grep is OK, sed is too slow for anything other than tiny jobs. I'd suggest first dividing up the logs into manageable chunks, perhaps using split or csplit, or it would be a good first project in mawk, using patterns to divide the files into chunks that represent an hour or a day. Then you can start looking for interesting patterns, perhaps with grep if they are simple enough, or more likely with some short mawk scripts. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 20:18:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C90F66E3C8 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNJ9v644Tz3GBH for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id h18-20020a05600c3512b029020e4ceb9588so12863486wmq.5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gxaFktUD1L1MWLLUAyPQaqSEhVKFqDyON5ewQPqqk0U=; b=LkUhT1RlVUZFgenHbV8YBPVHOhEAwSGAuLCHKxv6XGek2n+Eoz0lwM56Qfng5LT1yB wKY3VprPalBDoQBYq7AydCWjULuRA1XaQnNdLV64VG72jwyNXzu/7VFAnNyAcp0zw8qM SRz6/6tyeNpZSwG12sTmTqJ8bu/CevmDsIe8UVpjfT1C467vF9iBkLQyGwg+Io6KZPN8 iMMggRUXQyMSlXOfa4ItIS6Wy19UwAMuy9v3ad5y4s5xcoIYvuCWv/fZOK31gNWZwhT4 ed8iZ8kBTjz+8NJ1HMZCEaJy21peE7lvMQE0B5E05Xc0cm+rYofCdMRJdD97eSt6LgBU M5oA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gxaFktUD1L1MWLLUAyPQaqSEhVKFqDyON5ewQPqqk0U=; b=U0hUO0j3RDsgJPvFcYBuPyUNuA7Elldo8V0j1lwWn3nUahkpv0G26DDdnWBsNuBxjE yS/crhH21fXCAA4otpiIbwpF5oHByZsdmpawKFFDVj9ykb47CxfPlVzWraoEZ2PfMTxN 5dZ+jlkfo53vafql5pKfnUvnvx37xjvmXS4/TO0zh3gg6UuO1Dp+hBTNAvWUw3Vb9vsq wz5rwbRoo+Pyo9kG1C1pSl38o1g1PEKIoFByu8i+P9PP7sotsXgnuGKBnB5WKh70s2ef aUtPrrzXoIbLP2ah+j7s52LieCfz7Qw0r665cp8QaouoFzHTvx5Qz97vVOTt+G46D/Eo oviw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530XP2eUG9Qe6u+QfVw3bRN7rP5cpaMAI3EE0/Pvn2paJ7HVio2W /StS4AwvclZi9MPO6WbUBjEKykFmIsl28B8IFiQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw/x4gJ4uSDeCMJCEzsmDIA5LCqJvoDIpBP9CUvv9il+IM9Bw6CNhCZJ8mOy6vaH98zbYEfSohYz68iEagO26w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:ad6:: with SMTP id c22mr4896366wmr.19.1626034689559; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210711103839.61dfd4baafa38984f208b707@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <20210711103839.61dfd4baafa38984f208b707@optonline.net> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:17:32 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Analyzing Log files of very large size To: Vlad Markov Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNJ9v644Tz3GBH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LkUhT1Rl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.28 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[optonline.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.28)[-0.278]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:18:12 -0000 On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 5:38 PM Vlad Markov wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:43:41 +0530 > KK CHN wrote: > > > Yes, it is. > > > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 6:02 PM Korolev Sergey > wrote: > > > > > Is it a plain text file? > > > > > > On 11 Jul 2021, at 22:13, KK CHN wrote: > > > > > > List, > > > > > > I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall > > > around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. > > > > > > What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much > large > > > files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials > if > > > any. > > > > > > All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Kris > I used to use split to break up large log files into manageable pieces. > From there it depends on how you work. At first we used grep then we moved > on to using perl regex to analyze logs. > > Vlad > > > > -- > > > My idea is as follows because I am trying to use such a feature for a database management system to track behavior of the program . The generated log for a very short time came out 56 GigaBytes . During backup of sources , the computer warned me about "You are trying to backup 56 GigaBytes into a 4.7 GigaBytes DVD." Assume a message line is 56 bytes , this size of file contains 1 Billion records to study . Then , it is easy to load this size of file as an AVL tree into memory by grouping the accessed parts by counting their occurrences . In your case , you may generate your log as , perhaps "accessor , accessed parts , ... " . Assume that you need who is accessing ( or attempting to access ) into 'some (as list )" parts . During AVL tree generation , use "accessed parts" as KEYs , and "accessor" values as its leaves with some other vital information . >From an AVL tree it is very easy to get a list of such accessors in order and study them in more detail . Since a small amount of information is sufficient , computers with memory capacities will be sufficient . If your memory is not sufficient , you may use an SSD disk as a storage with even 500 Mega~Bytes per second write/read speeds . Be careful about wear of such disks with very high amounts of write/read operations . It is very easy to find open source AVL tree software with sufficiently permissive licenses . I do not know exactly , but my opinion is that even in FreeBSD sources there are such parts . It is possible to find information about AVL trees in data structures books , especially such books using C or C++ may be more useful for you . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVL_tree AVL tree Please search the following phrase in Google : open source repositories about avl software Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 20:23:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0866E453 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNJJX2tVRz3GmS for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490872CF94 for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:23:57 -0000 Le dimanche 11 juil. 2021 à 22:11:26 (+0300), Mehmet Erol Sanliturk à écrit: > I am reading these messages to learn very good ideas and I am pleased to > read them . > > My opinions are "good" plus some "bad" ones . > > My computing adventure started in 1965 when I was an elementary teacher in > a village in Turkey at the age of 18 . > In those days their name was "electronic brain" in the field of mathematics > "priests" meaning people having very high IQs . > I have decided to attend a university but with English language teaching . > In Turkey they were Middle East Technical University > belonging to the State and Robert College ( a private and ex[ensive one ) . > In 1970 at the METU I learned Fortran with my efforts > and then I have continued . > > I have started with FreeBSD 2.x . Since it was unusable , I have waited up > to 7.x . I have started to use it upto 9.0 ( still a few hard disk > are containing them with a server staying unused , because it could not be > possible to run them due to unacceptable slow execution . > It could not be possible to find a solution to remedy this problem . I have > switched to ( Linux ) Mandriva . Some time later Mndrive has died > and I have switched Fedora and I am now using it continuously on all my > computers including a NFS server . > > What is the problem with FreeBSD ? > > There is no problem with FreeBSD . The problem is it requires an MSc > degree ( as exaggerated ) in "How to use FreeBSD" . > Always , approximately many persons are saying that use of FreeBSD requires > "expertise" to use it . In that case the problem is > how to acquire that expertise . FreeBSD is user friendly, it just choose very carefully who's friend whith. :-) I use Unices since 1984, Aix, HP-UX, sco, SunOS, Solaris, MacOS X, Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD. My everyday computer is a laptop lenovo X280 running FreebSD 13.0. It work, like a charm. But yes, I am a Unix guy, not afraid by command line (and every day more afraid by GUI which hide a lot of things to the user, and a lot of options`). A developer is not a sysadmin and I understand the frustration for a developer to not have the comfort of MacOS, Windows or even Ubuntu. But the goal of all those OS are different from the goal of *BSD. In fact, the persons who use a GUI (even a minimal one like i3wm) on *BSD use those OS exactly at the inverse they are made for. To be clear *BSD are not made to run blender, gimp or inkscape. And even less for developping IDE (AndroidStudio for example). This is just my small contribution to this thread, thanks for reading me. [snip a lot of very interesting things but why read them twice] -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 21:00:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEB966EE5E for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from dd39600.kasserver.com (dd39600.kasserver.com [85.13.155.197]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNK6c6Gm3z3N6Z for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from uhura.hoffmann.computer (ipb21bed7e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.27.237.126]) by dd39600.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B83DA22A30CE for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:00:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=simonhoffmann.net; s=dkim1; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=29M4qXolNmAlLFmBsJta50fS0zEEkK4JW5B1860Lnfk=; b=pqvbQ9H9ZvxCOmQx2iFCq7781X FK6UpoMpGATWr9KK+KdQrJMCthrm/eqTlIJmVMWuekPBNPEcEHfT2IRouHWHFkc4IrkMfCnX/E1Bw ZuuCi1QxOuGzWKEPbZ0MaRfmo8kSA2tYZ66yNlmpQcxaXEmmHTGCmQ6k5V99dA7oTLcd+dj92nLii CNG2YxZGBxTiecH6Q9k0AnvA6nnYUuadl438MwInzStiOn58tOTP6yD4CcsSNEV+DrauT22nH0D5m Z8Kf1xvPWaMhelDaxnRf/mzta+9/IdDdUX2n1kbl2/TanpBSg5PKi85PpvDbZNM03j4XEjC71Pz/q A3ns6Xjw==; Received: from [192.168.170.81] (port=40624 helo=admin02.HOFF.local) by uhura.hoffmann.computer with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m2gYk-0005dg-23; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:00:18 +0200 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F28.60EB5BE2.0048, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:00:17 +0200 From: Simon Hoffmann To: David Raver Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> Mail-Followup-To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-sophos-spx-encrypt: 0 abuse: abuse@hoffmann.computer X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNK6c6Gm3z3N6Z X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=simonhoffmann.net header.s=dkim1 header.b=pqvbQ9H9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=simonhoffmann.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@simonhoffmann.net designates 85.13.155.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@simonhoffmann.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:w012befb.kasserver.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[simonhoffmann.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[simonhoffmann.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.155.0/24, country:DE]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.27.237.126:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[simonhoffmann.net:s=dkim1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:00:26 -0000 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One last mail and I promise to never bother you again. Did you just one day fall out of bed and knew how to use Linux perfectly? Are you able to use all different Linuxes to the same degree and know every= thing there is to know? So are you a master/doctorate in Debian, Suse, RHEL, Fedo= ra, ... to use your words? Oh, and you also spoke about Windows. So I guess you are also a Microsoft M= VP? Because you cannot tell me that a Linux install, whatever the distro, has e= verything set up exactly the way you want it to be out of the box and automatically. --- Simon > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann > wrote: >=20 > > > > Which commands did you use? > > >=20 > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam > blowing out of my ears. >=20 >=20 > > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform > > the update on > > first try without any problems. > > >=20 > Lucky you. >=20 >=20 > > Time: 5 min. > > >=20 > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) > BSDvity Theory then. >=20 >=20 > > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > > >=20 > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. >=20 >=20 > > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 whi= le > > > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook that > > answers > > pretty much every question? > > >=20 > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little thi= ng > one must read it in its entirety. >=20 >=20 > > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > >=20 > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in this > case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive > handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically is > not my favourite thing in the world. >=20 >=20 > > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a comput= er. > > > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > > >=20 > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now >=20 >=20 > > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a = GUI > > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expecta= ncy > > in > > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > > >=20 > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you > practically stick it to them. >=20 >=20 > > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > > pre-compiled binaries > > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and build > > yourself, to > > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > pkg install xorg > > pw groupmod video -m > > pkg install urwfonts > > pkg install x11/sddm > > echo dbus_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > > echo sddm_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > >=20 > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seven. > Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, > that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into > that. It has to be failsafe. >=20 >=20 > > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can > > basically > > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > > handle a few > > keystrokes. > > >=20 > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. >=20 >=20 > > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > > >=20 > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. >=20 >=20 > > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > > >=20 > As polite as possible: HELP! > Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took care = of > that. >=20 >=20 > > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > > >=20 > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. >=20 > D. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Viele Gr=FC=DFe Simon Hoffmann --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEgjIuaCUBjJygpxHp5Ekk+95XePwFAmDrW+EACgkQ5Ekk+95X ePwlUgf/Ub9FNajgQsQ5GDwvC7QvVhkQ+jgHbEB0hTim2Te+0etIroUSB7fYRRre F4+WsGXisT37Zd3f7qn1m3xura5OHF3otr9BbQjQhPu2L0dC+pEoLy4+fCFUi6vl HPouSB73rU5qpSY/jOvOd/hdIR94McfAYLAfKAB+EEeM1CQg7apvrqvuTchr2OzD YKEm+z1oxtV7ArPY4BHUVtSxVgy+GoG5PdUA5PwOAnqkgyCvi+PytmBjRJzZK388 3OD0osZ6j3paMphSxQGRUrNbw1GwFNK3jVBfqxdDRBHzasB4TGgh4lAaBL2rkgFa RJbuhiBs3PQPfMFTJkoIa0oGytfKcg== =gazx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 22:53:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602B7649AEC for ; 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Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nyakov Nyakovski X-Google-Original-From: Nyakov Nyakovski Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:53:30 +0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-Id: <20210712015330.698cca7f904551c0b6b9f9c1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNMdB2jgfz4SHg X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Nj0Glnxi; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of nyakov13@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=nyakov13@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; 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Hi, this was pretty long goodby :) Anyway, I recommend you really look into GhostBSD https://www.ghostbsd.org it should provide you with more user friendly experience. It is FreeBSD based system that provides a simple desktop-oriented operating system with MATE, OpenRC and OS packages for simplicity. >Pay attention now Honestly, your message looks like a joke :3 >Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a >oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy in >order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. >Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? Overall, you will get similar user experiences on lots of Linux distributions. 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I'd personally do the same leaning on either awk or perl mysql. It just depends naturally on what you're after in the long run. >> I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall > >> around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. ... > > >But if this project is for an employer or client, I would recommend > >starting with the commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) log analysis tool made > >by the hardware vendor. Train up on it. Buy a support contract: > > > > > https://www.sonicwall.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/sonicwall-analyzer.pdf > > This is reasonable advice if you plan to be doing these analyses on a > regular > basis, but it's overkill if you only expect to do it once. > > I have found that some of the text processing utilities that come with BSD > are a lot faster than others. The regex matching in perl is a lot faster > than python, sometimes by an order of magnitude. My took of choice is > mawk, > an implementation of the funky but very useful awk language that is > amazingly > fast. grep is OK, sed is too slow for anything other than tiny jobs. > > I'd suggest first dividing up the logs into manageable chunks, perhaps > using > split or csplit, or it would be a good first project in mawk, using > patterns > to divide the files into chunks that represent an hour or a day. > > Then you can start looking for interesting patterns, perhaps with grep if > they > are simple enough, or more likely with some short mawk scripts. > > R's, > John > > This advice is sound. I'd personally do the same leaning on either awk or perl myself. Another note, I've done something similar before where awk/perl simply weren't enough for 50+ TB of logs that were being consumed daily so I had to roll my own using C/qp-tries[1]. Again, if not only your volume is high but your frequency of processing this data is often, you'd consider a more custom solution should not one already exist: Note: A latest poster mentioned AVL trees as well. That's fine too. I just prefer qp-tries. 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Dean" Subject: AMD Processor hwpstate_intel.1 loaded Message-ID: <95d1d130-9f23-2506-fe48-ea7cbd774e89@wavecable.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 22:02:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddruddugdekkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhf X-Vade-Analysis-2: ihhlvgemucfujgfpteevqfftpdfgoffgtfetnfffpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecu X-Vade-Analysis-3: secvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefvhffukffffgggtgfgsehtjeertddt X-Vade-Analysis-4: feejnecuhfhrohhmpedfvfhhohhmrghsucffrdcuffgvrghnfdcuoehtohhmuggvrghnseifrghvvggt X-Vade-Analysis-5: rggslhgvrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefgiedtgfeiieetjeefvdekgeelfeegffehueef X-Vade-Analysis-6: hefftefhjeffgeegfefgfffhgfenucfkphepvdegrdduudefrddugeefrdduledvnecuvehluhhsthgv X-Vade-Analysis-7: rhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepvdegrdduudefrddugeefrdduledvpdhhvghlohep X-Vade-Analysis-8: lgduledvrdduieekrddurddugeefngdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehtohhmuggvrghnseifrghvvggtrggs X-Vade-Analysis-9: lhgvrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggvsghsugdr X-Vade-Analysis-10: ohhrghdphhhoshhtpehsmhhtphdrvghmvghrrghlugdrtghmhhdrshihnhgrtghorhdrtghomhdpshhp X-Vade-Analysis-11: fhepshhofhhtfhgrihhlpdgukhhimheppdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdetuhhthhdqfghsvghrpeht X-Vade-Analysis-12: ohhmuggvrghn X-Vade-Client: EMERALD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNWpT4xt1z3J6s X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomdean@wavecable.com designates 208.47.184.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tomdean@wavecable.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.02 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:208.47.184.0/24]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[24.113.143.192:received]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:208.47.184.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.02)[-0.021]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wavecable.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:02:10 -0000 > uname -a FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 > dmesg | tail -3 Security policy loaded: MAC/ntpd (mac_ntpd) interface hwpstate_intel.1 already present in the KLD 'kernel'! linker_load_file: /boot/kernel/cpufreq.ko - unsupported file type Cpu is AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X Current CPU speed is 3700 MHz. Should go to 4550 Mhz. How do I get there. Does hwpstate_intel.1 support the AMD 3970X or, is it intel specific as the name suggests? sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC has # CPU frequency control device cpufreq Should this compile in the cpufreq driver? Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 05:44:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA00651345 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from prima.febras.net (prima.febras.net [62.76.193.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.febras.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Organization Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNXlJ3ctTz3NkF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from mail.febras.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prima.febras.net ("FEB RAS network Mail Server") with ESMTP id CBAE755B902; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:44:16 +1000 (VLAT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:44:16 +1000 From: Korolev Sergey To: KK CHN Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Analyzing Log files of very large size Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=92=D0=A6_=D0=94=D0=92=D0=9E_=D0=A0=D0=90?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=9D?= Reply-To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: serejk@febras.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.5.4 X-FEBRAS-Info: Contact e-mail: admin@febras.net X-FEBRAS-ID: CBAE755B902.A0F10 X-FEBRAS: clean X-FEBRAS-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.5, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_40 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00, VOWEL_TOCC_5 0.50) X-FEBRAS-From: serejk@febras.net X-FEBRAS-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kkchn.in@gmail.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNXlJ3ctTz3NkF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of serejk@febras.net designates 62.76.193.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=serejk@febras.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[serejk@febras.net]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.76.193.23]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.895]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[62.76.193.23:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34017, ipnet:62.76.193.0/24, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[febras.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[62.76.193.23:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:44:29 -0000 I think, that proper tools usually highly depends on desired result, so my reasoning is quite general. People here advise to use Perl and also split one large file into managable pieces - all that is very good, I vote for that. But I don`t know Perl at all, so I usually get along with standard shell utilities: grep, tr, awk, sed, etc. I used to parse big maillogs with them successfully. On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 19:43:41 +0530, KK CHN wrote: > Yes, it is. > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 6:02 PM Korolev Sergey wrote: > >> Is it a plain text file? On 11 Jul 2021, at 22:13, KK CHN wrote: List, I am in a requirement to analyze large log files of sonic wall firewall around 50 GB. for a suspect attack. What tools and solutions need to be deployed for handling this much large files and pls enlighten me with your expertise and reference materials if any. All are tcp / ip communications, DNS UDP transports .. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::632:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::632:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:21:13 -0000 On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:44 AM Korolev Sergey wrote: > > > I think, that proper tools usually highly depends on desired > result, so my reasoning is quite general. > > People here advise to use > Perl and also split one large file into managable pieces - all that is > very good, I vote for that. > > But I don`t know Perl at all, so I usually > get along with standard shell utilities: grep, tr, awk, sed, etc. I used > to parse big maillogs with them successfully. > Most standard shell utilities can certainly get the job done if the file sizes are of a size that's manageable. That is most likely the vast majority of cases. No question about that. There's certainly a point however when the sizes become so unmanageable that their completion will be on your 150th birthday. ;) An exaggeration undoubtedly. There's obviously options for this, but you'll seldom find the answer in any standard install of any userland. Sometimes you can get away with xargs, depending on what the data is that you're working with, but that's all that comes to mind. The "promotion" from there in my mind is going the perl route (or any other interpreted language) capable of threading ... and from there as necessary ... C (or other compiled language). Someone made mention of Elasticsearch and that's a good option too. All the work of indexing the data has already been done for you. You just don't have to mind paying for it. ;) Hell, I've used postgresql with their fulltext search for similar things as well and I'd argue if that's already in your stack, to at the very least try that first. You'd be surprised at how darn well it does. Goodnight! ~Paul -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 06:22:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4113E6516F0 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNYZh3RVlz3j73 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNYZf1N1YzDv3v for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626070922; bh=8yC3ytQdkhxfgg0ENSO46mW6QIMUvBFBFS6C9fdwJbI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HXpLV7KphtIBOurPgwxf1ZmXg8MGKc+xQ8lRkKr21qlVS1fTXp8L1HmDh0SLjktnK 1FySpfOdYLulGF7TwdYJ/BDBhVCczKaO7s4pYa8NHUo4tDypRIqTnjsxSzeQ8MvCW5 ZSm6IxXBIjsCl0sNhskC3Bl5vCNAWJNw7J9En4K4= X-Riseup-User-ID: 8D7CA83794788EEF454A91CCC3A0AE51769CBA498AD8E05BE4A3167981132D5B Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GNYZd5PWbz5vj2 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:22:00 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210712082200.4b958704@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210712015330.698cca7f904551c0b6b9f9c1@gmail.com> References: <20210712015330.698cca7f904551c0b6b9f9c1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNYZh3RVlz3j73 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=HXpLV7Kp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.910]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:22:05 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:53:30 +0300, Nyakov Nyakovski wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 22:02:29 +0200 David Raver wrote: >>Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a >>oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life >>expectancy in order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. >>Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > >Overall, you will get similar user experiences on lots of Linux >distributions. Linux not equal Ubuntu. Hi, For a wonder bread suitable for toasting isn't crisp after cooking it in a pot of boiling water. One user might be annoyed, if it requires a lot of work to enable countless needed services, while another user might be annoyed, if it requires a lot of work to disable countless counter-productive services. One user might be annoyed, if the workflow of a needed application does change with a weekly update and another user might be annoyed that after a weekly update, a need application doesn't provide the latest and greatest features introduced by upstream. Taking care to get advance information, is not the same as the need to have a doctorate. I never read War and Peace, how much reading, copying and pasting was done by Tolstoy? Without getting information in the first place, even the user-friendly OOTB approaches of Linux distros such as Ubuntu have got serious pitfalls. Even Ubuntu provides several approaches. While Ubuntu always follows the release model approach, not all releases are maintained for the same amount of time. The lifetime of a LTS release is longer, than that of non-LTS releases. After installing Ubuntu from the server image, the installed Ubuntu doesn't provide a GUI by default. While Ubuntu provides a lot of software easy to install by packages, not all packages are well maintained [1]. Some software updates are exceptions from the general update policy. Broadly speaking, in general software "foo" version 1.5 will never be updated to version 1.6 within a release cycle. Instead it will stay with version 1.5, but might get security patches, backported by maintainers, or it stays vulnerable for the rest of the release cycle [1]. Some software, Firefox comes to mind, gets updates even from version 1.5 to version 28.7 within a release cycle. Just to understand the policy of a user-friendly OOTB working Linux distro requires to get a lot of information in the first place, to avoid rude surprises subsequently. Regards, Ralf [1] "Main The main component contains applications that are free software, can be freely redistributed and are fully supported by the Ubuntu team [...] and that the Ubuntu security and distribution team are willing to support. When you install software from the main component, you are assured that the software will come with security updates [...]." - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Main "Universe [...] Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software in the universe component, but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using these packages. [...]" - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Universe Actually most don't understand, since they just fire up the user-friendly GUI to install software, without being aware that even software installed from official Ubuntu repositories could be a security risk. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 06:31:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1F4652101 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:31:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNYp45Tc0z3kKP for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:41786] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id E2/0E-17915-BD1EBE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 02:31:55 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions From: "Thomas D. 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Or, will Hammer provide enough cpu ID? Am I missing something? Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 06:39:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AC2651CFF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x533.google.com (mail-pg1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNYyY0Qzkz3l2J for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg1-x533.google.com with SMTP id h4so17247689pgp.5 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:39:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ldlWcKeOy+kQw7upYfbds7ZC5vpdeeZYNXXTuATJIzA=; b=iKDOH4KZP+SAU96Pg6TH1SAGHDSZQUZ1QPI8V//d9rn4eTdtMRVU6KL451IQNyhxxJ QMPpXMoRwPi4gEFT8jHyNaMeFogu9jf33ksLhnGKZlWrulyN2LTpa9C/aaZ6AGCyYCfe T8DQ6q7WzgatwySHZfclYIHQDZsEgDzFKTB3SMuz2C+9X8v7hLRicK8V1g+2+P627wGI yPm4VzbSE5qhxtloTpeLJyBS0DgUSCHhZModjTD3uF8IWTD0GLLUW22k8vtlN2zfBPsY yL1elU2kPF5zlRBT3sayMcI8ICv8LtnxVnu1GKFF+rs9WKOKAHpL0PoCRZNTmIVlMNAZ fjGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ldlWcKeOy+kQw7upYfbds7ZC5vpdeeZYNXXTuATJIzA=; b=ERo3luuamm1ZiNklMeHwk0nIEDsZ8lJJWL8N138ymc48gU8QXH6MftJ9036mX9XbqZ tuOM+GYcC/gzXXMsxwRZVw2/6WWMldVBjB8imK33z0JN2nTyD3ezi4Bgfg/htvrTsMy2 OX5wBbowPOxrVnoQ+X28+3rGZM8j0ea5Wyqm6F47SWkTlUiDYy1CewXSCLaKeyPx62IF MxTFKP27psOem62DhWL+JgG+VuLzAmszrN6tLFT18YvzVyqpRvD5rA9QPjQ66ZdiL2f+ 90YPZgb1hIgh7h4rlB8IjZx/YsiHPutfgtkp5H3QUj5dXOm2Jo++z7vHVjTnMsvbXwAD m+Kg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5321JvZd1kzfWCIL/qlJ6QdKTbiQmwjVZuwFkRsZzoKcwZ9kCoc4 7z7/tuOt8C0qCmICX/Zd2YOLitigA7A4kMB5zQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy5CKKmqSFqGrKAAv2yKX9+Ws50JTr2H0rOpPGH3FP6gtUiMW1RcB1BT620LXBPOTu61LwuaIgDKYz3tntNcFo= X-Received: by 2002:a65:57cc:: with SMTP id q12mr25958163pgr.417.1626071955473; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:39:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <21b5ac38-28dd-bd4d-167e-638762c9879a@wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <21b5ac38-28dd-bd4d-167e-638762c9879a@wavecable.com> From: Paul Procacci Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 02:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: cpu name for AMD Threadripper CPU's To: "Thomas D. 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Dean wrote: > The name Hammer is in sys/amd64/config/GENERIC > cpu Hammer > > looking in the release notes, there does not seem to be a mention of > Threadripper. > > Or, will Hammer provide enough cpu ID? > > Am I missing something? > > Tom Dean > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/which-cpu-option-is-for-intel-core2-and-how-to-optimize-the-freebsds-kernel.2403/ I came across the above thread which probably answers your question. It seems HAMMER is the only applicable option for amd64. ~Paul -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 06:44:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E52F652337 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from prima.febras.net (prima.febras.net [62.76.193.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.febras.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Organization Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNZ4c692Nz3ld1 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:44:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serejk@febras.net) Received: from mail.febras.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prima.febras.net ("FEB RAS network Mail Server") with ESMTP id 8A9CC55B900; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:44:20 +1000 (VLAT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:44:20 +1000 From: Korolev Sergey To: Paul Procacci Cc: KK CHN , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Analyzing Log files of very large size Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=92=D0=A6_=D0=94=D0=92=D0=9E_=D0=A0=D0=90?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=9D?= Reply-To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64d626beea2becc5191f0a886e0291b3@febras.net> X-Sender: serejk@febras.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.5.4 X-FEBRAS-Info: Contact e-mail: admin@febras.net X-FEBRAS-ID: 8A9CC55B900.AEB2D X-FEBRAS: clean X-FEBRAS-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.198, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_50 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, SMILEY -0.50, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00, VOWEL_TOCC_5 0.50) X-FEBRAS-From: serejk@febras.net X-FEBRAS-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kkchn.in@gmail.com, pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNZ4c692Nz3ld1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of serejk@febras.net designates 62.76.193.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=serejk@febras.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[serejk@febras.net]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.76.193.23:c]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[62.76.193.23:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34017, ipnet:62.76.193.0/24, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[febras.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[62.76.193.23:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:44:34 -0000 Yes, Perl is perhaps the best solution for this job, but only if you don`t need to start it from zero. It can take some time to get into basics. About sizes: I processed 60Gb file with shell utilities, containing the bunch of pipes, in reasonable time (like several hours). 10K rpm HDD, not SSD. Of course, one should be aware about what is he doing and optimize data processing pipeline. About indexing approach: once again, i don`t know what exactly need to be extracted from file, but if it is a table contaning some aggregated results, for example, then indexing may be an overkill. To topic author: maybe if you show a piece of file and explain desired result, then advise could be more precise. On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 02:20:58 -0400, Paul Procacci wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:44 AM Korolev Sergey wrote: > >> I think, that proper tools usually highly depends on desired result, so my reasoning is quite general. People here advise to use Perl and also split one large file into managable pieces - all that is very good, I vote for that. But I don`t know Perl at all, so I usually get along with standard shell utilities: grep, tr, awk, sed, etc. I used to parse big maillogs with them successfully. > > Most standard shell utilities can certainly get the job done if the file > sizes are > of a size that's manageable. That is most likely the vast majority of > cases. No > question about that. > > There's certainly a point however when the sizes become so unmanageable > that their > completion will be on your 150th birthday. ;) An exaggeration undoubtedly. > > There's obviously options for this, but you'll seldom find the answer in any > standard install of any userland. Sometimes you can get away with xargs, > depending > on what the data is that you're working with, but that's all that comes to > mind. > > The "promotion" from there in my mind is going the perl route (or any other > interpreted > language) capable of threading ... and from there as necessary ... C (or > other compiled > language). > > Someone made mention of Elasticsearch and that's a good option too. All > the work > of indexing the data has already been done for you. You just don't have to > mind paying > for it. ;) > > Hell, I've used postgresql with their fulltext search for similar things as > well and I'd argue > if that's already in your stack, to at the very least try that first. > You'd be surprised at > how darn well it does. > > Goodnight! > > ~Paul Links: ------ [1] mailto:serejk@febras.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 07:35:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5DA656E95 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNbCH69bjz3s35 for ; 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Is the logger program open source ? Can you modify it if it is open source ? If yes , are you ( meaning your team ) able to program modifications ? Is it compulsory to store and then process the log files or Is it possible or useful to process your communication traffic online if the logger program is open source ? If please answer ( if it is suitable for you ) the above questions , I want to make suggestions as a continuation of my message mentioning AVL trees utilization . Thank you very much . 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You just don't > have to > mind paying > for it. ;) > Not sure where you get the idea that you have to pay to use Elasticsearch. I'm running an ELK stack happily in one of my jails, gathering millions of logs, from the ports collection. I admit that the modules collection on filebeat is somewhat limited (to ingest/parse log files) on FreeBSD (and I really don't know why), but you can solve that by downloading the source and add the modules manually. And it works like charm. With some configuration you even get security running, and you have your own personal SIEM. -- It never hurts to help! Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 21:29:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD50866F2D7 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNKmd6QJ1z3mBs for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id f12-20020a056830204cb029048bcf4c6bd9so16556230otp.8 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=igfn5MiefpUTxK9irxe4jiHqE3uyDqDcRGdcKX8aK4E=; b=T00LvK59dOWz4tgTlruj4q4aXY3NUr+I2sl0aGGPBWUS56jxzxXPryR1m/aJhpwzXe a4Dz0NTtTyGiXTGUurVEdu95RGFpgpdiCu2Q4GllWCPB8VsLVJd+bYHTTa4j4bHveVOv SpACG2OeUGlwkqvmzBiJ6buNfw9rnMpFOej+qtkBJXJJHGJNhvmwzm+hFF4AmGCBGNxs juq8rHIKJaTof66xQbrevUpOBL/gaG28yObYiS6KV4ufvQAN+/iG/D3dUxLn6Pcf3p5Z MxjTujz95YT2+N/1OA/Bz1MRBa4hQUAuuZ5Vc4Ccpcr+7G89yqusYR6OGe1F9xOOVwSl 1ZiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=igfn5MiefpUTxK9irxe4jiHqE3uyDqDcRGdcKX8aK4E=; b=tJfRUd9Hgz911ODHUQ6LaKUXYYMJz+MMU0PbtIuqCI/+QqfqqeUPECKtsGZ2R+HJm2 cHDWvk6C5U26wjd831bb2iA0qaNqv87rLjNPtFJKJyP4/+x0wfQDh5hQDpTnF0Ku09TA qK9Xqq6mW+dsmkczIoIBHXPeaht4ryAIgZgjmqtrHZ7N3fXLxf/aG3xlqaXrQ/tZ0W83 1q48LJHuJBqtiHY6HL+cwFSVGaJct62uAZm2+v+EQuvTYtEfZtBaGDK0gxsnPzzUCP7Q fczI06RpAHSWsn0dx44jD7XyzloQ9Z2NMKUzZgqOEm/F1nBiLKaRmY9bUonazegCPVwx cEgA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Q7gKR3LJRvpnYY8BVxsXRg9PtowdlVGzaHDu0pG0LkHS+LHUK WvShAaDbpRinfMos9AKtZOZIIbN9pa/D3sKradE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzihFBclk8J8DiSsmabqDv66eiTESZBEMbHWia+cxZPvMbz01lHdes8Ahw4ygfm8FmtC2R5MSvl7Z4VgsMzj34= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2907:: with SMTP id d7mr11013343otb.151.1626038992663; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> In-Reply-To: <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> From: David Raver Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:29:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNKmd6QJ1z3mBs X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=T00LvK59; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davidraver@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::334 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davidraver@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.795]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:05:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:29:54 -0000 On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 11:00 PM Simon Hoffmann wrote: > One last mail and I promise to never bother you again. > > Did you just one day fall out of bed and knew how to use Linux perfectly? > Nope. It was like that: 1. The installation went perfectly. Meaning: after the installation the desktop showed up. I would've settled for shell and one command, say "install desktop", even if it didn't. Show up in the first try, that is. I wouldn't have settled for an equivalent of typing what should've been put into a shell script anyhow. 2. I was able to start using it, learning little by little without reading books about it. > Are you able to use all different Linuxes to the same degree and know > everything > No, not to the same degree. But I'm pretty sure the procedure would've been pretty similar to the one I described above. > there is to know? So are you a master/doctorate in Debian, Suse, RHEL, > Fedora, ... to > use your words? > Not by a long shot. I never claimed that. I'm merely a lowly developper, like I also described. But... I'm used to a certain set of tools and behaviours. > Oh, and you also spoke about Windows. So I guess you are also a Microsoft > MVP? > No. But somewhat similar tools I mentioned above are available on Windows also. So I don't complain too much. I'll also concede that most of the ifdefs in my project are due to Windows functionality. But I managed that also. > Because you cannot tell me that a Linux install, whatever the distro, has > everything > set up exactly the way you want it to be out of the box and automatically= . > I never claimed that. Moreover, if you're still prepared to listen... I'm pretty sure that if I had a desktop (preferably KDE) set up on any of the BSDs, I most probably wouldn't even had known the difference between that and my current Linux. Because that was my aim in the first place: merely verify that my project builds and runs on BSD. Moreover, I'm pretty sure that someday I'll do it. Successfully. I just have to cool down a little and find a distribution that meets my needs. D. > > > > > --- > > Simon > > > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann < > freebsd@simonhoffmann.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Which commands did you use? > > > > > > > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam > > blowing out of my ears. > > > > > > > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perfo= rm > > > the update on > > > first try without any problems. > > > > > > > Lucky you. > > > > > > > Time: 5 min. > > > > > > > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) > > BSDvity Theory then. > > > > > > > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > > > > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > > > > > > > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. > > > > > > > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 > while > > > > > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook > that > > > answers > > > pretty much every question? > > > > > > > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little > thing > > one must read it in its entirety. > > > > > > > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > > > > > > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in thi= s > > case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive > > handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically i= s > > not my favourite thing in the world. > > > > > > > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a > computer. > > > > > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > > > > > > > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now > > > > > > > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing = a > GUI > > > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life > expectancy > > > in > > > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > > > > > > > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you > > practically stick it to them. > > > > > > > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > > > pre-compiled binaries > > > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and > build > > > yourself, to > > > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > pkg install xorg > > > pw groupmod video -m > > > pkg install urwfonts > > > pkg install x11/sddm > > > echo dbus_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > > > echo sddm_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > > > > > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seve= n. > > Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, > > that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into > > that. It has to be failsafe. > > > > > > > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you ca= n > > > basically > > > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > > > handle a few > > > keystrokes. > > > > > > > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. > > > > > > > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > > > > > > > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. > > > > > > > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > > > > > > > As polite as possible: HELP! > > Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took car= e > of > > that. > > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > > > > > > > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. > > > > D. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > > > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe > Simon Hoffmann > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 10:48:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BC465ADFC for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNgTk3l7hz4nyJ for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:42476] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id E4/1F-12164-8ED1CE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:48:09 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions From: "Thomas D. 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It has beefed-up cooling. How do I do this? > uname -a FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 From dmidecode: MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X Max Speed: 4550 MHz Current Speed: 3700 MHz # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 === wait 30 sec # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 10:56:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C0E65B9CE for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNggL6W6xz4pyb for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNggK1GQFzDrN2 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626087389; bh=lyT8Lp5XlCB9qGIZiR81bNrGdd5JtHy7ckSvCyVWL2I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=gQUYZoMxsW21r+B3G0+OpGZ3lhe2oZ5oG9QP66ZfP8t5cKd70CjkEyLuba7FkKmji mt2kBXUmHY3HHVHX+mSTVWDKl9QFcoOOv5Ki7QBX97/Dvh/+Sn/PhVUHtGyue4JX6A gMVLOmQHgr+7nN9bxac7ZWOUY679gcrcefgITLz0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 2C010BD53D65FA4D87863C3851AA908E8B18C260567EADEE4AC86A1A43CDE802 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GNggJ3rywz1yT8 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 03:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:56:25 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210712125625.07afe46a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNggL6W6xz4pyb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=gQUYZoMx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:56:32 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:29:41 +0200, David Raver wrote: >I'm pretty sure the procedure would've been pretty similar to the one >I described above. Hi, not at all. Even not for some major distros, such as Arch Linux (that's what I'm using) and even not when using the Ubuntu server image. >I'm pretty sure that if I had a desktop (preferably KDE) set up on any >of the BSDs, I most probably wouldn't even had known the difference >between that and my current Linux. Because that was my aim in the >first place: merely verify that my project builds and runs on BSD. >Moreover, I'm pretty sure that someday I'll do it. Successfully. I >just have to cool down a little and find a distribution that meets my >needs. It depends ;). I could imagine some software that just needs to be able to run under KDE, nothing else matters, but not that seldom the underlying file system, sound architecture, display server, maybe even the login shell, let alone the kernel, might make a big difference. Some keywords come to mind, "HAL", "udev" ... FWIW a virtual machine might have some pitfalls, too. How about an user-friendly OOTB working bootable persistent USB stick FreeBSD? "About NomadBSD is a persistent live system for USB flash drives, based on FreeBSD=C2=AE. Together with automatic hardware detection and setup, it is configured to be used as a desktop system that works out of the box, but can also be used for [...]" - https://www.nomadbsd.org/index.html Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 10:57:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAFE65BA91 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x335.google.com (mail-wm1-x335.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::335]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNghN0Lnlz4qCg for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x335.google.com with SMTP id i2-20020a05600c3542b02902058529ea07so11196820wmq.3 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 03:57:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FhDdVWjTYkbQ/P012OjuDTxN005rTBREeo6FpSNV5cA=; b=SVaPDcDOZM5Zrw8BPjOXpebM8FOpiYgvk+E8Rzk1fpLnZjPQl9JGzrte4j0Pi6J2g+ 2VxCS2hR8MjVBd7rY+ws+hnRm/eDJ6rJEG0pKE1TS/tcAAjkopcszKn7KWkFHjF6UpMF JnUE473BSBwZBEu7Mz/kKpCK8b3nyaoT9sNiMhHbtNOO+M8IuSnDTIJzeC839nEqVIiY 32dJYnIrY6yVc/t6bXUb39fIHN+3kOXGDdJfg6RHO3sYb3f+PdEz+jZ+8AURmFEzWDhg 5tlWfGaHo2z6U1tKnoadSCZl+l11EvDJ+K+EPgMvQoJKdeI2H/xxW8i3XPvi6ddjl9j0 KFeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FhDdVWjTYkbQ/P012OjuDTxN005rTBREeo6FpSNV5cA=; b=YPXrI1SP9nM1JRY42cZzkariOoxm6AXp4RpF9o0NkrhXUbuiaFgoW0axTbid7iBtWr 8xbyPFIsah3MFaLJIXKWARsGwAjySTce6TiT725qTsZ3hRCpV6oe7JmOndRAgmyGMCqf m3Eee9XBCRoM2WzyvFNDrJhpqCpXH6d3lngw3iIny9SpjmKbYvSrij0ILKBhYK5u9E5p YUnKwJlHriWjClxA9YP/AOwPOr6k/ZIVm7r2ZAUiutwO5ZQ0YPthZZMK22CVEfdty6aq fvnq5ZQX5IK4AS9I97/zC5XndzyiJvXTRhBWg5fDwQZ2u+BzNG8rFdL8fY4fEgJq3Y6U PP8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532G7XYgBNpilyW4fRd3E6bX0n799QSaVFDJwE0xgV9k40DXtE4b z7w8LjEamctulv+xskrMZ7QpzqlsH6ywhSnq0N+C24x4cLrwL9Hb X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxX1zApPhW8lgWEzH4I/yOkKyD8+RfLkBACJIIXmrF82m8oaom9FUEbgjzuxpidpUg5R6u7TLff8I7dNe0t3vQ= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9a51:: with SMTP id c78mr13770342wme.103.1626087442053; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 03:57:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:56:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNghN0Lnlz4qCg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=SVaPDcDO; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::335) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::335:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::335:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.230]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::335:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:57:24 -0000 I will share back my previous response with some update - having standard bare base OS allows you to do directly exactly what you want with one environment setup script then perform your work, you need no GUI for that, just script `pkg install gcc-arm-embedded cmake` then build your application. Imagine how small and fast this approach is compared to installing fully featured GUI OS, downloading packages, etc, but you need to know how to do it - usually it is very similar across other platforms because you are using the same build tools among them, if you really want top portability I would consider using Python + VirtualEnv packages verification - you can run it on top of bare BSD install over the local/remote shell :-) Sorry I forgot about BSD portables, but did not use them a lot myself: NomadBSD: https://nomadbsd.org/ GhostBSD: https://ghostbsd.org/ MidnightBSD: https://midnightbsd.org/screenshots/ We all know your pain - in this day by day more complex and less coherent computer world - "well it was supposed to work out of the box", then after some months you start sending patches :-) :-) https://soundcloud.com/digitals-jpn/computer-world-cover-early Take care :-) Tomek On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 10:52 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > Hey David :-) > > Please give a try to MidnightBSD - this may be something you need if > you do not want to waste your time to learn new OS. I fully understand > your approach. You want to focus on your solution, not the rest of the > world :-) > > Sorry if you feel offended by "may not be for you", that was not my > point, I apologize. The point is that BSD are in fact raw operating > systems, its not Ubuntu, its more "fire and forget" but you need to > make its configuration from scratch, this really takes times and > learning curve. FreeBSD is in fact base for a product - server, > desktop, embedded - so you cannot make such wide application universal > for everyone. Instead you get strong base with lots of Ports to > install to make your life easier. You start at standardized base OS > that you can extend with that you want. Look at macOS, PlayStation, > Netflix based on FreeBSD. You may consider it more "industrial grade" > rather than user friendly easy to use. On the other hand you can > configure it with only several text files and one script. But you need > to create that script on your own that is not a trivial thing :-) > > There are thousands of Open-Source software running on FreeBSD. All > are what you describe in your project. These are called FreeBSD > Ports. I have created several of these from scratch myself (i.e. port > for OpenOCD), and I update some of them when necessary. Each Port > (located in /usr/ports) is a set of Makefile scripts that allow > download, build, install and upgrade automation for a given program > (and its dependencies from other ports). You can then just `cd > /usr/ports/misc/mc; make install` to build it from sources, or `pkg > install mc` to download and install binary package. You can also > upgrade all packages with just `pkg update; pkg upgrade`. As simple as > that. > > It is nice of you that you want to provide your software to BSD > platforms, thank you, however you may want to create a GitLab / GitHub > repository in the first place, show what you have created, and when > someone feels this is interesting, they may create a Port for your > application. This is the standard process. > > People that use BSD are very sensitive to freedom of choice (thus BSD > license allows you to do whatever you want with the software even > close source it and sell on your own). Maybe you should give them that > freedom by presenting your software in the first place, and then let > them decide if they want to port it to FreeBSD. You cannot demand that > OS will bend to your expectations. We are old-school computer geeks, > mostly highly experienced developers that can modify kernel or its > drivers when necessary, we do not expect others to make that work for > us. Most of us don't care about what is trendy at the moment, we like > conservatism of the BSD line, we care about our own projects, products > and services, and how to make them in best possible way. This is why > we get a minimal common starting point (called FreeBSD Base System) > and adapt it to our needs and expectations. We do not want anything > "extra" except what we want. This is really important from a long term > maintenance standpoint of your product :-) > > I am sure that if you want to create a new software that runs on > FreeBSD you may want to create a Port in the first place to simplify > your own build process. This port can even fetch sources directly from > the git repository! > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/ > > If you want to get familiar with how things work in FreeBSD I would > recommend to start with FreeBSD Handbook. Please note that this was > also the first kind of documentation for the OS (starting in early > 1990's) that contained all information about how things work in a form > of a book. This Handbook is also coherent with the releases of the OS. > If you look at Linux until now there is no such Handbook, just lots of > scratches of information spread around the net and mostly outdated. > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > Have a great weekend and good luck with your project :-) > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 10:11 PM David Raver wrote: > > > > Like you say: it may not be the best OS for me. > > > > Well, I didn't think it was the best OS for me even before you sent me your mail, but thanks for pointing that out so plainly. > > I just meant to provide some tools to people for whom it is, in fact, the best OS. I guess you'll not be getting them now. Your loss. > > > > The tools I mention are not meant to be something so fundamental that, in order to make them work on BSD, would require all the knowledge you mention or allude to. > > Let me repeat: 1. with as little of ifdefs as possible, and 2. should compile, link and run on as many operating systems as possible. > > In my book that means that I don't have to deal with the low level stuff like kernels (or their versions) or even hardware/architectures. > > Using functions/methods from standardised libraries and building (compiling, linking and whatnot) on/for them resolves almost all my problems. > > That, among other things, means that, if I'm being a bit picturesque, I don't have to read the whole four books of War and Peace (plus the epilogue) merely to find out that it's about Russia. > > Nope, a few pages should be enough. If/when I'm going to feel the need to know more, I'll read the whole thing. > > > > Next: maybe I need "more time to understand how things work here?" Yup, that's what I've been telling you in the first place. > > But! I'm not willing to invest into that when I know in advance that I'll not be using 99% of them. Ever! > > > > And lastly, thanks for the midnight tip. ;-) > > > > D. > > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 9:05 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >> > >> BSD are general purpose (server, desktop, embedded) system for > >> advanced and aware users. Default installation won't do anything for > >> you except default base installation, nor the OS won't do anything > >> until you command it to do something. After FreeBSD install you only > >> get standardized base OS that you can then customize and adapt. But > >> when you do its rock solid. This is the strongest part of BSD. If you > >> don't like that philosophy probably it may not be the best OS for you, > >> or it's not the time yet. Sorry that you feel disappointed. It > >> requires some skills, knowledge, and persistence to learn new things. > >> Probably the error was on your side (it always is in my case I > >> shamefully admit). I have several workstations upgraded from 9.0 > >> release upwards with no problem for many many years. I write this > >> email from a machine that started at FreeBSD 10 and went up through > >> all minor releases up to 13.0. But it is you who is responsible for OS > >> management, understanding how things work, so they work as you want. > >> FreeBSD is "raw" OS, some people love it for that, some people prefer > >> Linux with easy "click and do it for me" approach, some people work > >> with Open-Source on Windows. > >> > >> Linux can do something for you but then it's not always what you want > >> and things will break for sure after several updates. See kernal api > >> changes with every minor release. See UX/UI changes enforced on most > >> popular distros (i.e. Ubuntu). Also beware of kernel/libc/glibc impact > >> on all system components, or even worse > >> quick-and-dirty-bleeding-edge-hacks that only works in one particular > >> case on particular version of Linux. Not to mention Windows or MacOS > >> because they are closed source so you cannot customize the OS itself. > >> BSD is the best environment to test software quality, so the idea to > >> test software portability on *BSD in the first place (there are > >> various flavors like OpenBSD, NetBSD, and FreeBSD derivatives like > >> MidnightBSD, DragonFlyBSD, etc) is the best idea you can have. Good > >> approach. I also work like this not only with various computer > >> software components but also embedded toolchains for firmware > >> development on various CPU/MCU architectures (i.e. Zephyr RTOS, ARM > >> MBED, FreeRTOS, Arduino, etc). > >> > >> In software world things break occasionally. Show me a commercial OS > >> that has no problems. Maybe you need more time to understand how > >> things work here? :-) > >> > >> If you simply want to test compilation on FreeBSD based OS that has > >> already the Xorg in default install and provides live media that "just > >> boots what you need" try MidnightBSD :-) > >> > >> https://www.midnightbsd.org/ > >> > >> I hope that you will eventually come back to FreeBSD (or its > >> derivative) one day.. and then you will know why :-) > >> > >> Take care! :-) > >> > >> -- > >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 13:29:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D3F660C77 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNl3b5VDfz3mFG for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNl3Y73HwzDxYP for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:29:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626096554; bh=ePYITAGNbOy74SHyRH5yJua7EmEFj4Tfn626buRUJCo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VRtNGUaX/GTbo4/MFCrdNdkKr4zLl9j4lw5IV8VORCfODDNoIaZnnoOzocLLcQZwO KBOOeb25sx050PCbITioId0J1cf2jkv9wJFWLTnM0Zn32YCktZIEmEOQIKW9fpz9B5 u4WULYHEN3jjY7pskJS5w5FGJl05Zp1c2UNvBemw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 77B469BB2B0CE270ECF13C41EA4AD7093FDB9C6D70F8A93EA2A4D6952DE3D01E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GNl3Y2sr3z1yQp for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:29:11 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <20210712152911.77bf5c1e@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNl3b5VDfz3mFG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=VRtNGUaX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:29:16 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:56:57 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >orry I forgot about BSD portables, but did not use them a lot myself: >NomadBSD: https://nomadbsd.org/ >GhostBSD: https://ghostbsd.org/ >MidnightBSD: https://midnightbsd.org/screenshots/ To funny that you and I sent more or less the same in parallel, quasi at exactly the same time :D. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-July/date.html I'm to lazy to compare the links/abilities of those derivatives. At least https://nomadbsd.org/ is a persistent live system. I have to admit, that I just have a nomadbsd USB stick, but it never was used the _hard_ way. Btw. for persistent Linux live media I'm using [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ventoy-bin | grep URL URL : http://www.ventoy.net/ already successfully used the _hard_ way. For the OP it's important to check, if persistence is granted by ghostbsd and midnightbsd, too. 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Dean" Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNlrg6qrtz3rlw X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PrMAr12X; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.94 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.06)[0.063]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:04:52 -0000 Please look for performance_cpu_freq in the rc.conf manpage. ~Paul On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 6:48 AM Thomas D. Dean wrote: > I want to run this system at a fixed freq. It has beefed-up cooling. > > How do I do this? > > > uname -a > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: > Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 > tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > From dmidecode: > MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME > CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X > Max Speed: 4550 MHz > Current Speed: 3700 MHz > > # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 > > === wait 30 sec > > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than > sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? > > Tom Dean > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 14:05:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A720B6614FE for ; 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My mistake. ;) On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:44 AM Peter Boosten wrote: > Paul Procacci schreef op 12-07-2021 08:20: > > > > > Someone made mention of Elasticsearch and that's a good option too. > > All > > the work > > of indexing the data has already been done for you. You just don't > > have to > > mind paying > > for it. ;) > > > > Not sure where you get the idea that you have to pay to use > Elasticsearch. I'm running an ELK stack happily in one of my jails, > gathering millions of logs, from the ports collection. > I admit that the modules collection on filebeat is somewhat limited (to > ingest/parse log files) on FreeBSD (and I really don't know why), but > you can solve that by downloading the source and add the modules > manually. > > And it works like charm. 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Dean" wrote: > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 > > === wait 30 sec > > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 You probably need to disable and stop powerd. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 15:43:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D296F66296D for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNp2T6P4gz4b97 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0BE479B2; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:43:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOiZg38_7h58; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAD41479A6; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.41 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: <57100986328a2ae85ff5c05536f56002.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:43:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Goodbye From: "James B. 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I remember when we didn't have 1s and 0s. > Had to make do with ells and ohs... > ells and ohs, ells and ohs? we wou'da killed for ells and ohs. Sticks and stones! That were all we had. None o' that fancy bones and teeth stuff mind you. . . -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 19:18:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE61665251 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNtpx66SHz3NWw for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1d086ce6 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: AMD Processor hwpstate_intel.1 loaded To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <95d1d130-9f23-2506-fe48-ea7cbd774e89@wavecable.com> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <14865d35-4204-abbd-16ae-5a8b46baca87@nomadlogic.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:18:38 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <95d1d130-9f23-2506-fe48-ea7cbd774e89@wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNtpx66SHz3NWw X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.82 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[nomadlogic.org:s=04242021]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.165.241.226:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nomadlogic.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nomadlogic.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.816]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.165.241.226:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:18:50 -0000 On 7/11/21 10:02 PM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > uname -a > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: >    Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 >    tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > dmesg | tail -3 > Security policy loaded: MAC/ntpd (mac_ntpd) > interface hwpstate_intel.1 already present in the KLD 'kernel'! > linker_load_file: /boot/kernel/cpufreq.ko - unsupported file type > > Cpu is AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X > > Current CPU speed is 3700 MHz.  Should go to 4550 Mhz.  How do I get > there. > > Does hwpstate_intel.1 support the AMD 3970X or, is it intel specific > as the name suggests? > > sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC has > # CPU frequency control > device          cpufreq > > Should this compile in the cpufreq driver? i can confirm same issue loading cpufreq.ko on my ryzen system running 14-current.  interestingly enough these sysctl oid's are available: dev.cpufreq.0.freq_driver: hwpstate0 dev.hwpstate.0.freq_settings: 3600/4275 3200/3260 2200/1842 dev.hwpstate.0.%parent: cpu0 dev.hwpstate.0.%pnpinfo: dev.hwpstate.0.%location: dev.hwpstate.0.%driver: hwpstate dev.hwpstate.0.%desc: Cool`n'Quiet 2.0 which makes sense as cpufreq(4) states: hwpstate            AMD Cool'n'Quiet2 used in K10 through Family 17h whereas hwpstate_intel is "SpeedShift" specific. are you seeeing anything under dev.hwpstate.*? -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 19:55:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA4C665CF2 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNvch41pRz3lC9 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:43676] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id C6/17-17915-21E9CE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:54:59 -0400 Subject: Re: How do I disable CPU throttling To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: "Thomas D. 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Dean wrote: > I want to run this system at a fixed freq.  It has beefed-up cooling. > > How do I do this? > > > uname -a > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: >    Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 >    tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > From dmidecode: >  MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME >  CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X >    Max Speed: 4550 MHz >    Current Speed: 3700 MHz > > # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 > > === wait 30 sec > > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than >   sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? where does dev.cpu.0.freq_levels get set at boot time? > sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.freq_levels 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 Looks like this is hardwired somewhere. I searched src/sys/* and found nothing, unless I missed it. grep'd freq_levels, 3700, 4070 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 20:12:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1728D6663F5 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x102d.google.com (mail-pj1-x102d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNw0r2gnnz3nHh for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x102d.google.com with SMTP id n11so10795720pjo.1 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g2nPxsyeY2zU7OCh6GwYkHrlIP1JBbeiDCnCyUc8ycI=; b=bG30dvXu1QHBs404rYmN5ldAbBO8zVdUml+Q9eQQUYaldE7c2DfSg97MxG/Kj+s0EC 0bzCLknBPNOiguc8RTRHVGGoFN7GJ8MOVzJ0582+gleiEgW4GqwabnvMANDew5HmCOl1 eYyvc1H1odEQ30tUYPWFik0acfamxOpBoXKaRDadSVEzB9u1YkhUOi0YWi4d5Zmto9KS ErWcNWePQnb9KXDAme21fpHqAecZNKkX935mYd/d3fGVaDIWkun/QtgXXWMfubY5sSej Z9ySsDwWLNyrC+11U/5t40OFpJ4cS7CcsXDrzlX2v0OwACEQiUpBhBCOo5HvLepAUqz6 vnpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g2nPxsyeY2zU7OCh6GwYkHrlIP1JBbeiDCnCyUc8ycI=; b=JjJ3B5SRd4wLmLbz0FXZup4M7cQCql8DG1kIlgsWvP+x1G7yIbSaoiHmi9p7TCyeFF KWZFJ6eqaMzbQxNK725DVb2sMRoCZr4HP3hk2Zw1TUklNl49DOJiJDd7WGVu8bYON6uG tnGTKynoESP0lgCK+zsZ+hnf5yQiq9qqLifNSYEEhJSHWOEHLvXClvsayXcAzlv/Q15x qTPdklSUnuQkpmzXK8ezvuIE2KXEihGwNzeKyulczh7y6fjRT3PpsuWAwAlBNALl7qb7 zcDU4d9nZ6wNn/afBF/FeOf/7PooAzlhoh8UDy5C2lkFt4MzxkBZJ89HvC92p4a6oaTB z+ug== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530G6JIj0pw1+GMEM8Z84QQE6T890+qwcMcM96gFZlc14TTu7d6q 8vocSdvyfTiPq8bZ6PyqA6/TgzVZX2zrnkNdiA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyMC0VZFtgWYCoPaPFcnvlIeEQ20FWeh6X0wWQtQon9TsyOj7LN52myNPtCjA3Sq28NVG6rrAKmk14SChSR3EQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7610:b029:12b:f9f:727 with SMTP id k16-20020a1709027610b029012b0f9f0727mr486812pll.65.1626120746533; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 13:12:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0be4883a-6bf6-28bc-a14b-9cb1f6d729ae@wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <0be4883a-6bf6-28bc-a14b-9cb1f6d729ae@wavecable.com> From: Paul Procacci Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How do I disable CPU throttling To: "Thomas D. Dean" Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GNw0r2gnnz3nHh X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=bG30dvXu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.24 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.68)[0.676]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.08)[0.084]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:12:29 -0000 sysctl's get set generally in /etc/sysctl.conf dev.cpu.0.freq_levels <-- This format is called a mib in the native parlance. sysctl.conf(5) and sysctl(8) go into much further detail. ~Paul On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:55 PM Thomas D. Dean wrote: > On 7/12/21 3:48 AM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > I want to run this system at a fixed freq. It has beefed-up cooling. > > > > How do I do this? > > > > > uname -a > > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: > > Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 > > tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > > From dmidecode: > > MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME > > CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X > > Max Speed: 4550 MHz > > Current Speed: 3700 MHz > > > > # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > > > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 > > > > === wait 30 sec > > > > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > > > Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than > > sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? > > > where does dev.cpu.0.freq_levels get set at boot time? > > > sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.freq_levels > 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > > Looks like this is hardwired somewhere. > > I searched src/sys/* and found nothing, unless I missed it. grep'd > freq_levels, 3700, 4070 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 21:01:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105FA666FAF for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNx5Y0KKSz3v55 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:43780] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id BA/73-17915-FADACE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 17:01:36 -0400 Subject: Re: How do I disable CPU throttling To: FreeBSD Questions References: <0be4883a-6bf6-28bc-a14b-9cb1f6d729ae@wavecable.com> From: "Thomas D. 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Maybe read from the cpu? BIOS? > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:55 PM Thomas D. Dean > wrote: > > On 7/12/21 3:48 AM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > I want to run this system at a fixed freq.  It has beefed-up cooling. > > > > How do I do this? > > > >  > uname -a > > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: > >     Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 > >     tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > >  From dmidecode: > >   MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME > >   CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X > >     Max Speed: 4550 MHz > >     Current Speed: 3700 MHz > > > > # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > > > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 > > > > === wait 30 sec > > > > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > > > Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than > >    sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? > > > where does dev.cpu.0.freq_levels get set at boot time? > >  > sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.freq_levels > 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > > Looks like this is hardwired somewhere. > > I searched src/sys/* and found nothing, unless I missed it.  grep'd > freq_levels, 3700, 4070 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 12 21:18:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADC0667A82 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GNxTD5nk1z4SgT for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id r11so22265689wro.9 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=l66gMMn9I71HZaFEuB4Kdq5+a/E6Ia/ih7gyvx9TXqQ=; b=hznfHodc3+bGbEtWcnShv9MdIC2U7K1/9q3Dh1pd7KAJFUQiFK7L/7r3a0e/xHq08e oJKtyMn/H6sH01VSBV7NODNN2nXTphbW+/Ki+hVMoBh1o39r0bLcQYUHHF1uuncbk5+0 oCBZ2FbJphxSNPNrblLG+fca96R+/N8ufTieVJ/Av1d6N3FQYklgs8S4pjyXuYdPjl+m DeJPry9/oZ8i5K29QghAsYpREdC3YuQ14jYKTTAC6x+EJ+CCV+nnAdbTlV5a6RNgW/dn aq2LZdBw/3axIZlzFY61tmhuOiySI6wvOwQF5tgSCDex59bQn87UhS1nCOXmjQIeQz2z 928A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=l66gMMn9I71HZaFEuB4Kdq5+a/E6Ia/ih7gyvx9TXqQ=; b=nv32nIvY23kGIOBJl18yhTqH0jvbiTFHYgTDlX8s8vNlLi5Uily0D8SI47JD8BEuKV yiIXlh6Mu78bPJhpCPPUGJvM9Tko4akcTl3Dfe2sY9BCiZMPJU2XH4L1tduRZaCdQxLy Ap4wzH2qCVowfU66F7cfumCmpLqYryQmSispy09G1sO/+b5dwJG99K7sKwVRF+4ilmFF WrNSn32Uy2VI+5Wxi1L9gXLJ7I4uOfeWUZVNAR0S9mftCYZJ8/hxo9ecBoqRuJq/oTsJ fyHRT9vUMVGIE9y86UjuDBQJBI/HACAAqXiKdWT6dI0x8yptagRCCTy+UDLniCkwSW5G mXLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530tbsXFSJ7Crmd+2Wxh74vmMSZ/zhBv09uURT2eQI91oLbYY1ch QBnsT5nHjzwJ33icQ7HMVhwiLmbBPU8j3g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzIMYZfkzds/HfwAvVPCknNvUP7B7hdOXu1H8JY6+8+qqbN4Za91cgnxVGBhfkK2ZS66EttHw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6d8b:: with SMTP id l11mr1210682wrs.21.1626124718161; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:1f1c:a0::2? 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Dean wrote: > On 7/12/21 1:12 PM, Paul Procacci wrote: >> sysctl's get set generally in /etc/sysctl.conf >> >> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels <-- This format is called a mib in the native >> parlance. >> sysctl.conf(5) and sysctl(8) go into much further detail. >> >> ~Paul > > > > grep -Rail freq_levels /etc/* > shows the source of freq_levels Wow! Should be: does not show the source of freq_levels > > I believe this is hardwired somewhere.  Maybe read from the cpu? BIOS? > >> >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:55 PM Thomas D. Dean > > wrote: >> >>     On 7/12/21 3:48 AM, Thomas D. Dean wrote: >>      > I want to run this system at a fixed freq.  It has beefed-up >> cooling. >>      > >>      > How do I do this? >>      > >>      >  > uname -a >>      > FreeBSD aorus 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0: >>      >     Sat Jul 10 23:47:01 PDT 2021 >>      >     tomdean@aorus:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC  amd64 >>      > >>      >  From dmidecode: >>      >   MB: Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS XTREME >>      >   CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X >>      >     Max Speed: 4550 MHz >>      >     Current Speed: 3700 MHz >>      > >>      > # sysctl dev.cpu | grep freq >>      > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 >>      > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 >>      > >>      > #sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=3700 >>      > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 -> 3700 >>      > >>      > === wait 30 sec >>      > >>      > # sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq >>      > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 >>      > >>      > Why does dmidecode (via cpu-x) report a different value than >>      >    sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq? >> >> >>     where does dev.cpu.0.freq_levels get set at boot time? >> >>       > sysctl -n dev.cpu.0.freq_levels >>     3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 >> >>     Looks like this is hardwired somewhere. >> >>     I searched src/sys/* and found nothing, unless I missed it.  grep'd >>     freq_levels, 3700, 4070 >>     _______________________________________________ >>     freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>     mailing list >>     https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>     >>     To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>     "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >>     " >> >> >> >> -- >> __________________ >> >> :(){ :|:& };: > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 02:14:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7254F64DD91 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP42740VRz3Q9W for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:44340] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id 50/CB-12164-DE6FCE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:14:06 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Thomas D. Dean" Subject: sys/timerfd.h missing Message-ID: <15b672e6-8f3b-4c6c-a42c-e955216f630b@wavecable.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 19:14:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudeggdefvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhf X-Vade-Analysis-2: ihhlvgemucfujgfpteevqfftpdfgoffgtfetnfffpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddunecu X-Vade-Analysis-3: necujfgurhepvffhuffkffgfgggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfvhhhomhgrshcuffdr X-Vade-Analysis-4: ucffvggrnhdfuceothhomhguvggrnhesfigrvhgvtggrsghlvgdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghr X-Vade-Analysis-5: nhepgfeitdfgieeiteejfedvkeegleefgeffheeufeehffethfejffeggeefgfffhffgnecukfhppedv X-Vade-Analysis-6: gedruddufedrudegfedrudelvdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvght X-Vade-Analysis-7: pedvgedruddufedrudegfedrudelvddphhgvlhhopegludelvddrudeikedruddrudegfegnpdhmrghi X-Vade-Analysis-8: lhhfrhhomhepthhomhguvggrnhesfigrvhgvtggrsghlvgdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehfrhgvvggs X-Vade-Analysis-9: shguqdhquhgvshhtihhonhhssehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgpdhhohhsthepshhmthhprdgvmhgvrhgr X-Vade-Analysis-10: lhgurdgtmhhhrdhshihnrggtohhrrdgtohhmpdhsphhfpehsohhfthhfrghilhdpughkihhmpedpnhgs X-Vade-Analysis-11: pghrtghpthhtohepuddptehuthhhqdgfshgvrhepthhomhguvggrnh X-Vade-Client: EMERALD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GP42740VRz3Q9W X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomdean@wavecable.com designates 208.47.184.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tomdean@wavecable.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:208.47.184.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[24.113.143.192:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:208.47.184.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.954]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wavecable.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[208.47.184.7:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:14:08 -0000 > cc -O2 -pipe hwmon.c -o hwmon hwmon.c:1:10:fatal error: 'sys/timerfd.h' file not found Any idea where I can find timerfd.h? Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 02:22:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B264E147 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:22:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP4Cp1W1jz3hJt for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 16D2MMYD085620; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:22:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: "Thomas D. 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Dean wrote: >> cc -O2 -pipe hwmon.c -o hwmon > hwmon.c:1:10:fatal error: 'sys/timerfd.h' file not found > > Any idea where I can find timerfd.h? On my 12.2-R system, $ locate timerfd.h /usr/local/include/libepoll-shim/sys/timerfd.h HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 02:23:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C51164E1EE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP4F12p1Rz3hPK for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:44506] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id 3D/8C-12164-429FCE06; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 22:23:32 -0400 Subject: Re: sys/timerfd.h missing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <15b672e6-8f3b-4c6c-a42c-e955216f630b@wavecable.com> From: "Thomas D. 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Dean wrote: > > cc -O2 -pipe  hwmon.c  -o hwmon > hwmon.c:1:10:fatal error: 'sys/timerfd.h' file not found > > Any idea where I can find timerfd.h? > Been away too long. I want to: start timer /* >> loop execution time */ do something while(1) wait timer start timer /* >> loop execution time */ do something do something else Somewhere this is possible. select? Tom Dean From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 03:17:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A37764F00F for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP5R63SSqz3pn4 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:17:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id b8-20020a17090a4888b02901725eedd346so1214913pjh.4 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:17:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HCWs0KE2ipsfv2JEY4T4O8o3gQxyMWOCCcR/B9WmIgY=; b=m6WjzL6rbDpqYYpP9jbnruNbtvHOe7swfA6aeIklx7lBCE10R9ybA1wGkZ+MgErfdM Rsv7XQjdB06TbaNb8A/ZAl/gn8epQaxfz5kHHyC7F8wh/9/ZB8rmfnqMV7BCQWbFTF6S r10pX50red0ivhghJQfZdl7idCShqt8j8ky8cmsWPmgYKhe0HfOwZU8J9pFC23QFcVjH Icyvq6IkjDuAt10GF3qXAVTAoJbl8Q6s3+VXMdK6AoolbBKNkV2qgT3pOG+yRhYvOfCw TB+OXaedJzqgRuCg+KY0IUTVcPQ7vd0VMudHGv9bW3tN5NIr699CjsdC9uRAry92GQa8 8atQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HCWs0KE2ipsfv2JEY4T4O8o3gQxyMWOCCcR/B9WmIgY=; b=bp5Jw1rRc6E+nW6uWYO0++wbI6R+vrxLEMknTo3vsqo8EMlE2rwzu8C5aP8ssIL910 jiB2QesLk0Sb7n212tBgrd4yh9UnurcbNnQje3jryOeP1D12XgNE8LVXjzBD41ebM0yP nLYcRfdLOlDvHp1Ld1pC1nU89bhrn5y14u7KQVXPNIyYyykqF4Oqw+sW+G8nD2RP7AE9 Ec87y0IdFFVCEsKcMJ/HOXLtE0HQg3l1zf2N6Z0oFFsXWsjIvqznzwxfMvYzFgio4Upn gm+l10x/wnBkc+67DZW9D3kdaJS4A5JXL3ZoGoHYAi/w5/nONskV43PHL+ibalu5WAxq 5B8g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531g2hAgIe6YL08s1LAITfSNqB0NDkBDxvS3OGWIluAPt5nUOAOz ssY8zj+AT3UwtjnDLeeq8rzspLXd2FLEu48oOA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxLOlNt1OshpmDacPdiuVj6tcwk5tFXob1owH7+oDTiCQGzqJbn63Y6LBc6VZT2m6zfe50ykwg3rbCeFoKfO8s= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3617:: with SMTP id ml23mr2104982pjb.236.1626146240926; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:17:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0be4883a-6bf6-28bc-a14b-9cb1f6d729ae@wavecable.com> <4d1e32fc-3e77-626e-138b-6af872445c5e@wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <4d1e32fc-3e77-626e-138b-6af872445c5e@wavecable.com> From: Paul Procacci Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 23:17:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How do I disable CPU throttling To: "Thomas D. 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Dean wrote: > On 7/12/21 1:12 PM, Paul Procacci wrote: > > sysctl's get set generally in /etc/sysctl.conf > > > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels <-- This format is called a mib in the native > > parlance. > > sysctl.conf(5) and sysctl(8) go into much further detail. > > > > ~Paul > > > > grep -Rail freq_levels /etc/* > shows the source of freq_levels > > I believe this is hardwired somewhere. Maybe read from the cpu? BIOS? > > Most mib's have defaults. They are compiled into the kernel statically or made available to it via kernel modules. What you are looking for is located in this source file: /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpu.c Really though, I can tell that's way too much for ya. Instead what you are looking to do is detailed in rc.conf(5): " powerd_enable (bool) If set to "YES", enable the system power control facility with the powerd(8) daemon." AND " performance_cpu_freq (str) CPU clock frequency to use while on AC power. The string "LOW" indicates that cpufreq(4) should use the lowest frequency available while "HIGH" indicates that the highest frequency (less power savings) should be used." What you want to most likely do is the following: echo powerd_enable=\"YES\" >> /etc/rc.conf echo performance_cpu_freq=\"HGH\" >> /etc/rc.conf Follow that up by restarting the powerd daemon: /etc/rc.d/powerd restart If you have a supported cpu, which I have no reason to believe otherwise, your goal of running your machine at full speed without throttling should be within your grasp. powerd, a userland daemon, controls this mib as necessary on the fly. rc.conf(5) is a godsend for stuff like this and its documentation is amazing. On another note, I see no reason to change this at all. CPU's are nearly instantaneous at scaling as necessary to accomodate loads for their needs. I digress however. Take Care. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 03:55:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62848650FEC for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP6HF4pvZz3vsX for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-96-230-243-2.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.230.243.2]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GP6HD6TYHz4LXG for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 23:55:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1626148536; bh=lceJxu1zYt0jzzwtiFX/OBGfsjgIXuWjf+8lFypISfs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=GWMi/5ZCCRNYeMg0WKOGpaIfbsCg+AgrLUaE1ctHm14ODW1Fnjp/x6x2bSHYEZZN8 h0OvMOGOs/RZR3JU9JsdrG/I6l15GVdsznMv8iqeIiwP8NYgvaC45s/U049WVtCw3L NLcBmcPsX1/C1BmxWennRawpLEjtRkt+MiIsWQJ8= Subject: Re: sys/timerfd.h missing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <15b672e6-8f3b-4c6c-a42c-e955216f630b@wavecable.com> From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: <3fefcffc-ad61-8336-f012-854b4c02a840@panix.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 23:55:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GP6HF4pvZz3vsX X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=GWMi/5ZC; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[96.230.243.2:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.955]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 03:55:38 -0000 On 2021/07/12 22:23, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > I want to: > > start timer  /* >> loop execution time */ > do something > while(1) >   wait timer >   start timer   /* >> loop execution time */ >   do something >   do something else How about the C library function sleep()? Or for less than a second, usleep(3), nanosleep(2), or clock_nanosleep(2). You might also have a use for clock_gettime(2). All of those except usleep() are Posix. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 04:56:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88B56527BA for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) Received: from smtp02.emerald.cmh.synacor.com (smtp.emerald.synacor.com [208.47.184.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GP7dB6084z4YKJ for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomdean@wavecable.com) X-Authed-Username: dG9tZGVhbkB3YXZlY2FibGUuY29t Received: from [24.113.143.192] ([24.113.143.192:44754] helo=[192.168.1.143]) by mail.wavecable.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id A8/4A-12164-DEC1DE06; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:56:13 -0400 Subject: Re: How do I disable CPU throttling To: FreeBSD Questions References: <0be4883a-6bf6-28bc-a14b-9cb1f6d729ae@wavecable.com> <4d1e32fc-3e77-626e-138b-6af872445c5e@wavecable.com> From: "Thomas D. 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What I want to do is understand where the numbers 3700 and 4070 come from. It seems powerd_profile picks 3700 as the highest value and 2200 as the lowest value. The CPU specs say 4500. How does the code get the numbers in dev.cpu.0.freq_levels? I read the code in /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpu.c and found a hint /* * Used by the cpufreq core, this function will populate *level with the * current frequency as either determined by a cached value * sc->curr_level, or in the case the lower level driver has set the ** CPUFREQ_FLAG_UNCACHED flag, it will obtain the frequency from the ** driver itself. */ levels = malloc(count * sizeof(*levels), M_TEMP, M_NOWAIT); CPUFREQ_LEVELS(sc->dev, levels, &count) /* * If still booting and secondary CPUs not started yet, don't allow * changing the frequency until they're online. This is because we * can't switch to them using sched_bind() and thus we'd only be *** switching the main CPU. XXXTODO: Need to think more about how to *** handle having different CPUs at different frequencies. */ The numbers 3700, 4070, 2800, 2200, 1980 can not be changed with boot or runtime config. These values are derived or read from BIOS. > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Thomas D. Dean > wrote: > > On 7/12/21 1:12 PM, Paul Procacci wrote: > > sysctl's get set generally in /etc/sysctl.conf > > > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels <-- This format is called a mib in the native > > parlance. > > sysctl.conf(5) and sysctl(8) go into much further detail. > > > > ~Paul > > >  > grep -Rail freq_levels /etc/* > shows the source of freq_levels > > I believe this is hardwired somewhere.  Maybe read from the cpu? BIOS? > > > Most mib's have defaults.  They are compiled into the kernel statically > or made available to it via kernel modules. > What you are looking for is located in this source file: > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_cpu.c > > Really though, I can tell that's way too much for ya.  Instead what you > are looking to do is > detailed in rc.conf(5): > > "     powerd_enable >                  (bool) If set to "YES", enable the system power control >                  facility with the powerd(8) daemon." > > AND > > "     performance_cpu_freq >                  (str) CPU clock frequency to use while on AC power.  The >                  string "LOW" indicates that cpufreq(4) should use the > lowest >                  frequency available while "HIGH" indicates that the > highest >                  frequency (less power savings) should be used." > > What you want to most likely do is the following: > > echo powerd_enable=\"YES\" >> /etc/rc.conf > echo performance_cpu_freq=\"HGH\" >> /etc/rc.conf > > Follow that up by restarting the powerd daemon: > > /etc/rc.d/powerd restart > > If you have a supported cpu, which I have no reason to believe > otherwise, your > goal of running your machine at full speed without throttling should be > within your grasp. > > powerd, a userland daemon, controls this mib as necessary on the fly. > > rc.conf(5) is a godsend for stuff like this and its documentation is > amazing. > > On another note, I see no reason to change this at all.  CPU's are > nearly instantaneous > at scaling as necessary to accomodate loads for their needs.  I digress > however. > > Take Care. 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As indicated in the subject, I use sddm, and have been for the largest part of a year. For about the last two weeks, after I do "pkg update" & "pkg upgrade" into a new BE and reboot, I see the following behaviour: - I type in my password at the greeter's prompt, - the greeter window disappears, the usual progress bar KDE presents reaches about 1/3rd of its usual breadth, and stops. - after a while (hard to say, probably only a few seconds), the screen turns black, I see only the mouse cursor (which moves if I move the mouse/touchpad) - after a few more seconds, the login screen reappears. - I see no discernible error/warning message displayed. for completeness' sake: - login on a text console is possible all the time. - I didn't change my password during this time. - till before this weekend, I was using scfb, now (finally! :-)) I can use amdgpu, there seems to be no difference. I haven't done much investigation, mainly because I don't really know where to look - several attempts at an internet search with various wording variations didn't result in anything useful. TIA for any hints, suggestions, pointers. 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I do xinit that starts twm and xterm, pulseaudio daemon does not run. I start firefox, pulseaudio daemon does not run. I seer a video with firefox, pulseaudio daemon does not run. I browse a littler on text sites, pulseaudio starts. Pulse audio was installed as dependency of chrome. I did not start chrome. Please, see here: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/after-upgrading-no-more-audio-in-firefox.81307/ I find this behaviour ugly! Rod. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 11:31:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464B9659E6A for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPJPZ1K7Zz4Z9x for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id k4so23698973wrc.8 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:31:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eIJySaL+KJXlePQKnepzKXdvxwHbaqXEdSqUD2a6mFQ=; b=GWeURp9Iy0JuGfLLhb0TVFvfFm416bgiALnPH3dJ9SmYqq78ElbbPn9dhzptc0oDUC IrwI/L+7/Ksx3bXgesnnMX/HTvEoujUWltU0+p/wrfsUjEK/PHqOZx1Zx6pOzgpI2ecn l6+gyWoti2f9I7D+c7S/LL45RfMyHP/rWH6U6ZMzkXKAi5ZbDe2HJCH0vj4fINtjZ7v8 4z3erUwc3X9EYUGFejpKPMg/tYNg9OeHamJan/j1iGAZShf14gLaESi/5VIFhEQyRQzM lE11HYKtVyxd9Z6kVj5i0/+o/mqR5a7P4VJp6nRUNt8IsubDlGg9e10T5pet9jBCPNKS 4MgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eIJySaL+KJXlePQKnepzKXdvxwHbaqXEdSqUD2a6mFQ=; b=OOkqwdZ5JIiyNS1NAvRG6gkcziF65t9AGs9N8VX2KIX9qfHD9rYmYKENnEIvTYa9y2 Fl3j4/hjgaXQM7hU015y/rkMg8R2xNUCSjj3epb59RP62Nz9X/rofRY8K0s1g2Whk0s3 b3geHDun1LEtnpV52h21EwJl4VbHnBd80EXM4BlKGAprwV0o4xn17tQnjlUJ7HfA29+6 B8HIofO5hNP9CDxrVfZ7Ynxh+qg+57FiBTxUB0uw93pKZYvJ41Wy8h4/JgzhZixhaKu3 /sik2LFJPEg+c0dB2Ue961PBXMVPWUVEB3+igCHfQn4r9xqkbg+COWFPubuGLRQW8226 K6wA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531bZp8VB9H6+OC1wKU3eXS3aFGst58DQiAYmmFwPfpvLAWwJTkG ukXxy/iAB3JLv1uB8bUwAl4j1S8ixVQuMfCEAFXspw4nAXC/2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzqc2GcT7gCZl2IEpHfQ+xhjtWeSZ1d4b5MD2tvfIpAjKIhIzLyBKm5v60PzXOS0gACdTj0McmbNtoyQjmNmGw= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4d04:: with SMTP id z4mr5058472wrt.133.1626175904083; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:31:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 13:31:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: Roderick Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPJPZ1K7Zz4Z9x X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=GWeURp9I; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::431) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::431:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:31:47 -0000 What Window Manager do you use? Maybe this guy.. or its audio mixer? :-) For me Enlightenment starts PulseAudio as its default audio backend. I like PulseAudio because there is a high granulatiry mixer that allows me to control volume and switch audio source/sink for each application on the fly. For instance I can open a browser window and switch it to play on headphones while the rest play on loudspeakers.. also I can control volume of these headphones separately from the rest applications that play on loudspeaker :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 11:42:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B2065A2AA for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPJdg4QjFz4bYH for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id k27so9128585edk.9 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:42:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :mime-version; bh=uTzykfIjPzWjs5XCql8hBE/CPTipd9fG67KfDHf5EnY=; b=R+bK7AMaKkbVhC1v6xa0WCZc4HJaQK0bOCIOiuOzBlhwGARdfe5Y8v49aGXI6PohdW gsCPVVaJC3EQTIDtn5zaPxdLQF2sdFtv6Bc6P/CoGDryr7Qm8XnlWGbunc3vX2n1GsSO mfXnygXAq1fzGxhHzcfmrgm9/u9Y/wFG00zJvkme/dzgNzRLJ0gGILL6bmPGUT9tcPBh q8Q8eDmN1YOyqbgVQp6YlYmGja4MAnyZ8/QG4W6qru/YGsJNk0Gr1ojLpKhn12M1tG1u 7YbUYaHCS/O6VDfsEVJcaGQuXv0d2eEb3+BQsgaiMizzdh+b5SuZtfHBC9AMQHSws//U E5bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:mime-version; bh=uTzykfIjPzWjs5XCql8hBE/CPTipd9fG67KfDHf5EnY=; b=dwmLSrrWkNZxOhDo2Iq4pGuVEgRfeQ+M/NGdZpnvzmRZv/cTwtx4viFhBuwEeUiu3O b/7JrxPqZoThdC8bxLQnd2QP/lBS30upLOLjY5XqQEL92P+Hs3Soy/Va+fxdqFDbOVFp fwSumdrzwfSCQsUHznhemVTifL3+Wp9y0nO7A8HJASEjugQ2/mYWyfpcq89q8eM3p771 ymULQVZcz+20eG5gu3tJDx+tdSNRwscMZ/6DV4sFHqEUx/9iYad1ZRabYtORuIpd1jZf I2h+5k3NVC4JMs92oflumXu31H4Y4rVTa+dVH6Z/YPqPc5IVS3Zww9JA9eACebBTsNlm UxTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5322lr1Yxs5+rxJjVhcY8V7Dg4dv0jDl/ho7NnDmT1d2p906qej4 nLKnowrg0pklvHIbXVOu1JA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwuJtf/1LtFuFFKEhfKc+beU/H+//DuxwkhaLx2FLm5WtdbWV4a0lNqW0YyDHpLQeAdWtXUyg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:14d4:: with SMTP id f20mr5228512edx.316.1626176534113; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 04:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (dslc-082-082-189-155.pools.arcor-ip.net. 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Maybe this guy.. or its audio mixer? :-) It is written in my original mail. 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To: Roderick Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPMYY4hSCz4vVP X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=JUpS/wpL; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::42d) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.929]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 13:53:54 -0000 On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:42 PM Roderick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > What Window Manager do you use? Maybe this guy.. or its audio mixer? :-) > It is written in my original mail. Sorry, TWM does not start it, its the Firefox, or any other application linked against libpulse* will spawn local user service with stream/dgram socket communication (not TCP!) :-) sockstat | grep pulse XXX pulseaudio 99706 5 stream /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native XXX pulseaudio 99706 8 stream -> /tmp/dbus-URrI0C27hY XXX pulseaudio 99706 9 stream /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native XXX pulseaudio 99706 11 dgram -> /var/run/log XXX pulseaudio 99706 41 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket XXX enlightenm 98712 73 stream -> /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native At first I though htop and ps auxd could show process tree with parent, but in my case there was no parent, what seems reasonable because it should work even after its spawning process terminates. Then I found this. Looks like exactly your question and the answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start Personally I like PulseAudio. It gives you lots of felxibility and control over audio per application on the fly. If you do not like it you may want to try remove / lock the package and/or put a link to /use/bin/true in place of the binary? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 13:58:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562B365E164 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 13:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPMfw3mPSz3BsT for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 13:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id i94so30595323wri.4 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 06:58:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=syvxqhDprDusM5vkouV6Y3l4tFIMLFeo9WvryXLd/wU=; b=MbH834ROMTKnAUvMJiO1uywLzv7Kh3bi17bEqzQ8PQSIt1uYTcFRp2btOoxXpo8Ivc W9o7IVSDvBnCdv18kgRrz8fZJ9IXtbJ35VnsrJIKzhZwQkIWXcqYDrysp8sr/9e/B6Kj NOyYJpZmaF8LXBpTyaSXNz1zAUIfiHfBOhGY/0u3eJuxs5KFe0igHHLLKPrWyV7QT8YF jNgRLuENmVKUS7O3cdp+FQGpEBzl5n8z6RrA4JBixMQAWmWpCrk1vtMwmN2TmPhLWXpA IaFpnviTxESka6DNQZwDaOikwdaG8WlYJLF1x1y2k59BcBPYIn640X0lF7R6jjCFafZ9 bg7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=syvxqhDprDusM5vkouV6Y3l4tFIMLFeo9WvryXLd/wU=; b=G3cKB7n3wZ4Z2wUi+t8LMAZOTHvMKlKl/Uet9SVDAhzvjmJDAlmkLjVYvcxQiqqJ0M MQFjnIorya3Ddtk4ywCPoq1zZLLQ2ZVCtcrnqjLeblVXxiS8mvHjSSclkhbkuZJm/a4H T4xq3wC3VzfGAiHX1m4R4KL2BGsVCdkNEDT1IzKKdNhAnttpUothFSbTgB4kJXgSCId8 RYl7jVhA+lOpx50jXYf8oFHhnkn9G3q4Vpw+WhlM30VP46t5nU2lY8veqvfQATA6oW4p IyPbt1KLCoh+6S4IdeufTuP4UqQhwhruL19cSwuVLqr7m6VJcUwFzNGirPeJeVnE95lB Amdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532cGB3Ol6XASyJ4edlXYAjEbSYEgSt2swRZC4VgKx8KRMYJtPrq i5W6aDOr5kT1gM+fMnb/pwSLhRbhN52799b7GQkyyi8SrSRGieMP X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhuZ+73x3XV6eSnu6lMm33ywrLWQ5edpEhD5Nb/65FnFiO2UE7VqcJRPL3Iceoyjt/dzJGIkFjmxhKSUlWQvA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4d04:: with SMTP id z4mr5908732wrt.133.1626184710757; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 06:58:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 15:58:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: Roderick Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPMfw3mPSz3BsT X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=MbH834RO; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::432) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.25 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.950]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 13:58:33 -0000 Another, user level, trick to prevent applications spawning PulseAudio is ~/.config/pulse/client.conf: autospawn = no On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 3:53 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:42 PM Roderick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > What Window Manager do you use? Maybe this guy.. or its audio mixer? :-) > > It is written in my original mail. > > Sorry, TWM does not start it, its the Firefox, or any other > application linked against libpulse* will spawn local user service > with stream/dgram socket communication (not TCP!) :-) > > sockstat | grep pulse > XXX pulseaudio 99706 5 stream /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native > XXX pulseaudio 99706 8 stream -> /tmp/dbus-URrI0C27hY > XXX pulseaudio 99706 9 stream /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native > XXX pulseaudio 99706 11 dgram -> /var/run/log > XXX pulseaudio 99706 41 stream -> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket > XXX enlightenm 98712 73 stream -> /home/XXX/.xdg/pulse/native > > At first I though htop and ps auxd could show process tree with > parent, but in my case there was no parent, what seems reasonable > because it should work even after its spawning process terminates. > > Then I found this. Looks like exactly your question and the answer: > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start > > Personally I like PulseAudio. It gives you lots of felxibility and > control over audio per application on the fly. > > If you do not like it you may want to try remove / lock the package > and/or put a link to /use/bin/true in place of the binary? > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 14:09:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4D265E89D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPMv3540jz3F8r for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id nd37so41729465ejc.3 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=kP3trEwWSnOwo//afb4fm+qD0t80Kp6qaLMQ7PRjzw8=; b=Era4g63xj1ABkcwPL6kwJFegMZO9F9U0Y4svFU+sJLRKP5dIhrkjHO93IlVusB2q8M ISFxzuBs20R8+Byi/F6x1EG6I5a9XyHQVzQtBhLXJtkqrniB1w8yS0f30fnlujHsQyFw ZXGXXPmWDL92mJjzRjZth8CXG16feXcEMh5W7ta7O0I4Alviub4DFjRnrrIdkRRVqrmH 5Ztm7TD0/1S9Djajq9voiy8uwBNHsKTScsRgBaT1wvcfiquSLHKwl2+iT8/YY19ZA/xn tuWX2B7ZuoL7peyhkM2+BlJLm4lJEmGH+XMMhHDExctcXT4uw+lPsNSI3p1gdKunkrGY vKtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:mime-version; bh=kP3trEwWSnOwo//afb4fm+qD0t80Kp6qaLMQ7PRjzw8=; b=tGWDccbDAhgbV3YbfGXZO5a8t5DUHbl5fZI8dFJ5hNv/CDvKPqi0WS7mBvyE4feeBa gUbe5Fijn8MoB53/I/TYOt4ccCFOLDgWqceXqPKpfhVnE0c4/GOgeHEbM8cM5TYqrpTZ rfo7toJTxGPCdoWFVIpO2JtZ+eTEQANnddqaVoLAjSBqV4abSanOckmlQ0TWikoKaKyI VyHm+/VmG088iH88rscldIS5xEPNKv5kyB6hnB+JCDpOoLmT/OKXWl0rLDNaop2100Re NDczHehMwOygj1Y5+p5lBt7iqQX2LrPMMxoSmwKzOSWX/iXMfvI1T0PJKCWC9YDgrSdc 6FAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531rSaifGb7ZLeqK+F3A8UWf6xM9/YtEMEbTT+QWm36yMtAOdcAj 6cesnFpe2uhptaP8AHOnNuVM2HchEms= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzeC8N7UtnQ+5D+nBfQkiU+V0h6ATEdwbsRyzUISsil0/LuKuXRbtPOablKP7wiUnHDWJOEXA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b301:: with SMTP id n1mr5720214ejz.271.1626185341937; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 07:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (dslc-082-082-189-155.pools.arcor-ip.net. 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Looks like exactly your question and the answer: > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start An answer for systemd users. No wonder: Lennart Poettering seems to be a creation of Lennart Poettering. > Personally I like PulseAudio. It gives you lots of felxibility and > control over audio per application on the fly. I find this behaviour annoying. Not only because of security considerations. I consider it a bug. > If you do not like it you may want to try remove / lock the package > and/or put a link to /use/bin/true in place of the binary? No, I do not like to do tricks to avoid something that should not happend. R. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 16:21:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099396610AB for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPQr40vs2z3qxP for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id u1so101767wrs.1 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=w6JBG9pwZAcdZFkCMSkj2etTY5IRsYgkjg0Rss9VlFg=; b=RTTqrx3SwSRmBVSq5DYOufvdXjjo5sc87Lw1Qo+gj/P9xHSEA+GLAYBN6ELEcdqXmd kSUnJadyhDNi6MgV8ZIUzVsn3OIklFbdRJsWyUgK1843+rGWy6Bp3pcvVOksfzrO5xWW vTlWe5Gtab3f/nf45UXiFsxeUKrcrjhTHukBTR0EAb8BTS7k4rSHnh8m8W+ZjSBRUPXS Y674VVqNtWPN7zhFLdqNQVnYsVj9AU7ql/fm1C+py3teL9RK5KudvYD8GwgN8cvhN013 Tln6rnSZG7QAYSPSEl9wGOtAiyRfS4x31IpYKU+WWocnufs/EGk6f85gJzd5tGYybD09 EoRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=w6JBG9pwZAcdZFkCMSkj2etTY5IRsYgkjg0Rss9VlFg=; b=tMF643cJUz/MdLOGRUMI1u4JSgfEHQVE8t8Yfm2pOtd2jwPSUlN7/1yHjMxNHW2N7v EwDsRspWeTVUaTvN+zYrBRf/hHuWAQKnHvGn3rZBNiqlssC62OHS2ZVMmttwfD5B/UPc IYU0QRnMp/t1kAGx9Nzv96bgs9c9EjYXEVXjtgmlTDZIfTm4hu9fXduBVP5Pyot0jgoQ HqrM1VApEeCWrNGFDGTOZ0iA/RCodd+u0sJxjoQuxKMzpu/EGKlCXSSu7mYcVnMua894 BLBE1kISpZB3qDIACmq5li7D/+9eutaoXqweAEPjQEHeTE0XB8E7lelyIdH0wwoJ83pw L7BQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531F081o5heerMo5K3XsyYjxnYAusURsioIEwOJekR3tVysLjT2h JHE+d+2S1L8Qt7mrr9ChE8F2duo9cHL0OwqemRTujQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz9T0uvHDjup/f81QH8XGNX/Y9Bws1wJTnRI/5eg1lFQBw2kPjcMjZrq8FNben0PoERvhOjN1B0MMwzIwe2cOM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:156c:: with SMTP id 12mr1721997wrz.400.1626193298428; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 18:21:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: Roderick Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPQr40vs2z3qxP X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=RTTqrx3S; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::433) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.29 / 15.00]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.01)[0.013]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::433:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:21:41 -0000 On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 4:09 PM Roderick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > Then I found this. Looks like exactly your question and the answer: > > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/204522/how-does-pulseaudio-start > > An answer for systemd users. No wonder: Lennart Poettering seems to > be a creation of Lennart Poettering. > > > Personally I like PulseAudio. It gives you lots of felxibility and > > control over audio per application on the fly. > > I find this behaviour annoying. Not only because of security > considerations. > I consider it a bug. > > > If you do not like it you may want to try remove / lock the package > > and/or put a link to /use/bin/true in place of the binary? > > No, I do not like to do tricks to avoid something that should not happend. > > R. Have you tried setting: autospawn = no in ~/.config/pulse/client.conf ? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 16:25:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4421660F7D for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPQww5ccfz3r9j for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id g16so21368475wrw.5 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=/wRabEPOynb4UZbq+Ez+4rwQ+tX7JA0qBgvP/TcNa4U=; b=YJrpz5NegfzfBWOL/g1zWDn33UITOlu14jyjF7/DBqOBqaRFheMwkyMg8B/48owTxa oKLFqYbUgOdnk+eBDokKtSob23SzlrtajI25RabXuXD5vZFOKC439Et4dDy/pc3kjqGT 9FF2+XIJFZZDJHh6jC0u2nnt8ewi7WZokBjCpzjBTxumQ5wxGhrWNuEeUgYJnuG0vtBG AeGTgyWzHGaad6FF5Xwf0C9PWZhKemAOYBLyvR+89j3YgdlAXVF1pKMn0Sk1nnyTfvoA 6axNHRvIJnaK9nf86C6dtq8eyb2L7fMskEEpDw++IHLsWkjqBVrEPKA48gC/FQ3lecki zeLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=/wRabEPOynb4UZbq+Ez+4rwQ+tX7JA0qBgvP/TcNa4U=; b=qOcTPEKuU9OcDSVGUtZ5PUkh0EvmlJXl8ONQMWSma/7TZI5w/ibfOS7zcCJxx3YqKT TqEdl2eRSk0uviZaTa1sY2q6+rxSF1iCTEHPBX4yQj9hTBc7Gj0EY8l02Xu9/XniIJwY UahhdL5zduq35NGDVh6RdJkhOlwMLcN/GPzCFO6gIbPeLjbb0dmN3rNNkS04ADrvVTkt 8IpE4lhO5r/w/jGw7+6CTJAMreASwzfsALU6MW25rqkHZeZwOnnmcSG1/JCP3dz6oOAb RoeOA3MS/QAQnDRmpkvlchsE6fkCIlil/uqZ/iTkq8Wk0OgW8qYKcOKc07H+7tKzLW0A QN9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531wjpYqp5Yb6tKcBHIN5z2JouG8uD1ytiJtbadlpMM/8iCmDB33 h3qEcbFzgAnUMEkiHTmz52RO3OswJ+GIEA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz1SCnToT+xUqAD6xUb3aEtxc4QiP7Q379OaQM/tGbx7ScNg7JYEDh3ueBgxggdoNvgbTe+Vw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6481:: with SMTP id o1mr7073330wri.164.1626193550999; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:1f1c:a0::2? 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <098d4cce-a655-bb60-2e10-97989a549f81@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 17:25:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPQww5ccfz3r9j X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YJrpz5Ne; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:25:53 -0000 On 13/07/2021 06:40, Michael Schuster wrote: > login screen reappears. This happens if you choose 'Plasma (Wayland)'. Instead, choose 'Plasma (X11)'. 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I see no reason for a non > necessary daemon to start and restart without my will. > > If firefox is what starts it, firefox must be fixed. 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Dean wrote: > On 7/12/21 8:17 PM, Paul Procacci wrote: > > > > > sysctl dev.cpu.0 | grep freq > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 3700/4070 2800/2800 2200/1980 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 2200 > > These numbers are in GHz. > > What I want to do is understand where the numbers 3700 and 4070 come from. > > You aren't looking at the right place. This information is offered by the CPU and it's the CPU's documentation that you'll find the information you're looking for. If using Intel for instance, you'd be interested in reading about SpeedStep. Along with that, you'll want to understand ACPI, which is essentially the software side, or programmable interface to SpeedStep among other things. For instance, bit 22 in edx after a `cpuid` instruction with eax set to 0x01 will tell ya if if the cpu even supports acpi. ~Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 19:37:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A6A664097 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c3780000ddeac7.06c65868712022b88e05c34e5f237f89@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.181.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPW9V304xz4v3n for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c3780000ddeac7.06c65868712022b88e05c34e5f237f89@email-od.com) X-Thread-Info: OTNhYi4xMi5jMzc4MDAwMGRkZWFjNy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxh4.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 13 Jul 2021 15:36:59 -0400 Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 13 Jul 2021 15:36:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 16DJaikX023239 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:36:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Moving From 11-Stable to 12-Stable Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:36:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:36:44 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 16DJaikX023239 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GPW9V304xz4v3n X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tundraware.com:+,email-od.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tundraware.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c3780000ddeac7.06c65868712022b88e05c34e5f237f89@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:53658, ipnet:142.0.180.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c3780000ddeac7.06c65868712022b88e05c34e5f237f89@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tundraware.com:s=slkey,email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:37:03 -0000 It's that time again, so - as always - the same questions: - Will this upgrade require recompilation of all ports (I do not use packages)? - Anything else tricky about this? 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If possible move to 13 it works better than 12 and has some graphics improvements already in place (intel works better but still amdgpu seems useless on modern card) :-) I have upgraded from 11 -> 12 -> 13 with no problems. Yes you will have to rebuild your ports after upgrade (I am using pkg). If you are using drm-kmod for intel disable loading this one in /etc/rc.conf before upgrade, perform upgrade, rebuild from ports, then try by hand if that works. ABI changed and this module caused some pain including kernel panic in a loop on mounted filesystem on 12. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've recently started using x11/sddm with plasma and x11/kde5. Before now, I'd start x11/kde5 from the console with xinit. Before starting with xinit, I'd run ssh-agent. The purpose of doing this was to have my ssh agent loaded in any subsequent terminal session after kde loaded. now with x11/sddm the (sddm) greeter comes up before I can grab the=20 console and load ssh-agent. What I'd like to know is, is it possible to load ssh-agent once either before, or within, the sddm greeter so that previous ssh-agent behaviour=20 is restored? thanks, --=20 J. --r3Gp+L9vZ/n52y4J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmDvGckACgkQs8o7QhFz NAUPjxAAsV+b9pnDk476PpqnD5/zKS1wopGPDafgj4wm/qh35s2EG7uYbL1MrzfV DwQDBkoATz3vmrmjuacPSctTv8mzaIz2ZiTrE7rN97NH/fPY5m2tc+/T6u9bneCI QgATSRO7VepGZv7+HTbU+TqC1h1isWYrvD8th+sqgHJ7rRN1Zmh/aPHzHmWt+fNQ BJQWJpGPwrScDGSEj8cBj2nUmBkWC4DNj2s8e384MO1JEa57hi9YKG/9algq1hlK FoMai5+1be7Tjmp/wX1VZFQvJGPpAol2nQAL8TjSZjcOEpswQBMGh88cEcdGP/6h 3g4ox+wOZOhl8BZmDgqTq805sIfbPo2eQt0NArtIa1jM/wxOTABEDQGBLMqcZG8L +OmHekKd6KcNuruYRKWolhttnt0F8ha88ZAUep8F4MDRaZ9vBji7N/T0dz9H+YE+ +3TCIM1G7EmRjDMfaIvbJdHlK/X5A++ALxe3cvSNp1WHnvlsM+wy8+4Suf5zs9sQ T20B72II3RMHxMntPfrL+/e8UmGfohzRDpS4ZewjwTQf9dbOL5ZiP2ef3NBelqgB 2vn8sZAOeScIhp6+WdKKZF6AUk4aTeFXrDIpkz3iyM1ksDuicqD/EsBNCB0VQNYX yMilek7JitgoWCQIta/G+hOp0DmaeSVX30L6j6s0P3Gm1nfK0zw= =YFR1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r3Gp+L9vZ/n52y4J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 14 18:10:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA4653BD6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQ5C53qNfz3K0g for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id u7so3265539ion.3 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:10:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dmpEwntuEWEQsAirxRoMvPop5CUcU+TSQU5anvW+qew=; b=O0tL8OpJhDkSvLH4E54EG4tcP4j7e/TOHhC+SL8ReoKi8ynKwPzOFYn4OkJcvD6fCl UQB5qbNxYtv8wOPJiPWOXb827pkEYib59C3mn9xNG+gGcLtoFiLcOfbHmAyl3uVYUm27 JOW+G0royxuUELA5soxePHz+uy7gl9dDpHD+WPiHyRDwK447q4nSww7/+3OgUAUcZAt+ /kVswvck/eWx8X17ZDtikrFZ6JGP0t7d8G6wvzKFDmVMwUGF3eDdGn+L6oFITzUGSFhB OC6nmFKFMf7ggxXLK2k0eNj/eExiH9bGW9jEM7A69225nW+ZzquQIOBHLN0DJCd+gw79 x8mw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dmpEwntuEWEQsAirxRoMvPop5CUcU+TSQU5anvW+qew=; b=lPZzwXmhLIYKJmzeEEZaC1lCASVAmnb2OkC9UEu8jmG7vqVACl2MW5WTxcfnPLAIwR zVYz9gwO6s3QMj5xTVws77w5MUNA4IndTFKIIWXfVT6fo69m1Apjj0XbrbuJr0hwqCjb 3pEh5uOROob+MtPiD4Uw56aZQ0DDFD6YAP7ei9M/xxqmbP3jlTSLE2P2Ts1I9CuxZGH3 VLujhxJ4MTXVfu6tz8ws+H6n1jdTW/3jhyVI0QpevtlHj3k2uAF8I90pI4oY/N1S1YL+ 4VMR3OfeMv+WFlSSmyojVmKpTap/xlM8jipjs1aouHYLwHKHupwQFDUM+O2KSIty5Wnl u7mA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533uCmD0YdYbcQRK1RgCUxqm2fgIBcivy494XUIXyTG5np3/dsxT LGmeB9Nr0UUS3b8coXvcG7nRu2VmFlVEDZXHPU0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyn57Uhw/nHymBIYBo5L65Wahu8S9o0SfHLYkCYv1mbKuAbMerp7PB7Xw1gKb9VkittxZ7eoj7jHo1pyVgMNKA= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:7b44:: with SMTP id m4mr5085788iop.72.1626286224287; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:10:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <098d4cce-a655-bb60-2e10-97989a549f81@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 20:10:11 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KDE/Plasma + sddm: graphical login pauses a while, then restarts. To: Graham Perrin Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQ5C53qNfz3K0g X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=O0tL8OpJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.01 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.986]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 18:10:26 -0000 On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:47 PM Michael Schuster wrote: > Hi Graham, > > thx for your response: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:26 PM Graham Perrin > wrote: > >> On 13/07/2021 06:40, Michael Schuster wrote: >> >> > login screen reappears. >> >> >> This happens if you choose 'Plasma (Wayland)'. >> > > not so, I'm afraid - I've been using X11 all along (I *may* have > inadvertently started Wayland once or twice a while ago before I noticed > the choice) > I know I saw /usr/local/bin/startplasma-x11 in the process list when I > tried this just now - is is possible that something got screwed up and is > trying to start something Waylandish? Where would I check? > I did some research, perhaps this will help someone point me in the right direction: ~/.local/share/sddm/xorg-session.log from the failing session proceeds until I see this: === begin quote == [...] kscreen.xrandr: Output 86 : connected = true , enabled = true kscreen.xrandr: Emitting configChanged() org.kde.kmix: Mixer id was empty when creating DBUS path. Emergency code created the id= "OSS:::1" [ four more ] org.kde.kmix: Mixer id was empty when creating DBUS path. Emergency code created the id= "OSS:::1" ... when output (tail -f) pauses for a while (a minute?), then carries on here: kdeinit5: Got EXEC_NEW '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' from launcher. kdeinit5: preparing to launch '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' kdeinit5: Got EXEC_NEW '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' from launcher. kdeinit5: preparing to launch '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' .. then again a pause, then this: QProcess: Destroyed while process ("/usr/local/bin/plasma_session") is still running. QProcess: Destroyed while process ("ksplashqml") is still running. === end quote == as previously, TIA for any pointers leading to a solution. Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 14 21:31:45 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EAA6563CE for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 21:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQ9gN5h3Bz4bn2 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-96-230-243-2.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.230.243.2]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQ9gM6jhFz2qMk for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:31:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1626298303; bh=nYfyjpEkd64Ub5LM/O2HB0cGbgncK+44Cv17rk6VYuc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=dsF2tm9F78+bFfIpYefUkRO88wcSfJlZ0ZZ4lGhn+jWwG2n4RpxHj81ta0GPLppvI lDSXfsXfOU0+GUY/6MzI9NKAvP6EvOx8O75b+TW8fuK78S4tP8khdP6GuSPTTiH2ED 37GFjE8FFnHdVTR0tRrL/4lp9Pk+mq2t5JVQ+i+A= Subject: Re: how to load ssh-agent into x11/sddm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:31:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQ9gN5h3Bz4bn2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=dsF2tm9F; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[96.230.243.2:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 21:31:45 -0000 On 2021/07/14 13:07, tech-lists wrote: > Before now, I'd start x11/kde5 from the console with xinit. Before > starting with xinit, I'd run ssh-agent. The purpose of doing this was to > have my ssh agent loaded in any subsequent terminal session after kde > loaded. > > now with x11/sddm the (sddm) greeter comes up before I can grab the > console and load ssh-agent. > > What I'd like to know is, is it possible to load ssh-agent once either > before, or within, the sddm greeter so that previous ssh-agent behaviour > is restored? I've never used ssh-agent, just read the man page, not sure I fully understand it, but... Xinit and display managers run one executable supplied by the user, which becomes a process, runs other processes, waits for them to exit, then exits itself, then the display manager or xinit shuts everything down. Usually that one executable is a shell script -- .xinitrc, .xsession, whatever. Looks like the idea is that ssh-agent becomes that one process, sets up some environment variables, and then runs some other executable, which I guess would be the original one process -- .xinitrc or .xsession. So you wouldn't have to run ssh-agent by hand, just configure sddm to run it and have it run your .xinitrc. How's that sound? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 00:42:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75FE65AAD7 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x42b.google.com (mail-wr1-x42b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQFvZ61SPz3R5k for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x42b.google.com with SMTP id a13so5384906wrf.10 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:42:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=K4nR2oaS84xx32zikfqWkPhJnpB3fTjWDwfaF7hiFWs=; b=b4H5t3+DyjpdqlzVJnR3G3FJ4I+GNcvY9s2TgqGgCrzcu8SkBIMWXYBJN9PtB1K+qM PuW9LIZNbiFbHJAan3Q1fqvEyUoUm3T6kIETSrj9TQJQxCqnK1xeag0/ruc8PEtJgpBx yJwRaT/BVS8HiP07m6mrvHukI+beSmx/dt0UyMUM/NCpniBtNiS4K/gF7jlsoTgDUxUU +2ZejRluOCjPEKQD766WxgbdZ2UkfISiDB/LQBhVClAe0GhrGtFTWUN6GPqvLrY5W4BZ thUqkcOYspnlE2wldxXHU4VmNr/FwVZt3G/baPvbjpZuRTyaJsrUMadqwXZgoi6al4Kl EZLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=K4nR2oaS84xx32zikfqWkPhJnpB3fTjWDwfaF7hiFWs=; b=NFd7dJOVCvfl1TO9gWBvYZ8PvcqVD0Wvfp78+Zcul2X9CU6t2ZQfRt6s/ZqPxjrwaW UawwB9HJlpf9yfaxKyVffPm6lL14tH4tc+A2baP4ed7e05fTzJ+I4FbAQkS84jNT58Nl DNtxmiYMc72TouPSsTPnpofv74Lvoln98qfZUnEEfg7u4TvxpD5j/fQYYOvMEP+VdTVc WtS5lJu78IjQZr1q77mwjo7Cj44qVuRDpY4p05hyAdXsGT3/0H6ljWq8PlrhIYjYLaSI FKJ1gCJ5PICX/vY5yjj8F0+O12SFp+uud+8Itzv8Cd7B7RpgnyiKc/13Tk2vYib5gXGg /3Hg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531k6H+cQNEGofYGXF7P75gzSOzk23aSUFygEI4zDAhCyX7NgWgA 0jYkWnH+X+ygy//Z/N0NzEBC7sHe41aifFBuVNo8UC/m7HVF89OX X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwGBBwtEM6yBeG2O+U15a2OEO/gDda54dbMDixOFUL9wCoESNPSBSmgoqAPh4IDtku5cY1+31LmWjwKAt9P2kM= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6c6e:: with SMTP id r14mr915522wrz.242.1626309753181; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:42:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:42:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to load ssh-agent into x11/sddm To: tech-lists@zyxst.net Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQFvZ61SPz3R5k X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=b4H5t3+D; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::42b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.798]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:42:35 -0000 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:16 PM tech-lists wrote: > (..) > What I'd like to know is, is it possible to load ssh-agent once either > before, or within, the sddm greeter so that previous ssh-agent behaviour > is restored? I assume you want to use gpg-agent to act as ssh-agent so you can use your smartcard for ssh? You can put that in your ~/.profile: GPG_TTY=$(tty) export GPG_TTY #/usr/local/bin/gpg-agent --daemon SSH_AUTH_SOCK="$HOME/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent.ssh"; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK You can uncomment the gpg-agent launcher line, but I prefer to start it by hand when needed. If you uncomment this line new agent wont spawn if there is already agent running. You can also set this in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf: enable-ssh-support pinentry-program /usr/local/bin/pinentry-qt5 This will allow you to use gpg with ssh. If you want to use usb smartcard with private key you also need scdaemon. All options explained here: https://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Agent-Options.html Pinentry is the pop up window that will ask for card pin. 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After a few minute= s of inactivity it goes into suspend, but will not resume. I don't really n= eed the suspend feature, which may not be compatible with the hardware, but= if it doesn't work I'd like to disable suspend. I tried disabling gdm (ser= vice gdm disable) but this only seems to delay its occurrence. Suspend works properly with Windows and Linux on the same hardware. Anyhow,= I would like to continue using GNOME but disable suspend, and would apprec= iate any advice. Robert "Tim" Kopp=20 http://analytic.tripod.com/ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 13 16:42:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D12C66179B for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo.readi@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GPRHj1wC3z3tq0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo.readi@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id nd37so42668142ejc.3 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:mime-version; bh=70n7YMePvE0xGgke4rOcKgJmVLlod3bwQX4x03NejsM=; b=W7CTLWCS2d3vJF8sjncHzTxdz0W9Q2/KnWFoaJiGLJ7naOMAbAFHrNP7Do8IsyYZEx ub3OOe5+EImw7l84X0xfHlAfkiqjknQrjf8j/p6Wj/QRRjN+bIXqDVsSnL2mHOUftmhO iwhSG/LhqXP3OHFpFXY+rqURz8F0+Xm2LzeHrsk9LcDx1BGpGiiNuM43HdxCnfs6WfR7 e9Ld4pti1Ztz9spD2clRr3Am5SG21l/wsIL8NzyuzxTwT5ZLR3k+W1GFlOcxDVloQcSH BIB1Eu/VB8QzIUs9TSZOJ9aAzqMtapRAhjcaVXNHQBdNCQ/5Jn72IGhjE0CjSQcG2aS+ /2lA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KDf3XMEfij5jcW+PLH56XRZCopsF3B4AdiKOKvJ1IBHW1td8Z JsXYaAVhb2971w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwS7S3yRZBJuYPad0K8OgANtBAuAJH5fpsD4DMYPospq22q0JrGb/ZDhs1UwM5/Fw/6wIPTtg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7256:: with SMTP id ds22mr6560307ejc.363.1626194527527; Tue, 13 Jul 2021 09:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (dslc-082-082-189-155.pools.arcor-ip.net. 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No. And I repeat: I do not like that solution. I see no reason for a non necessary daemon to start and restart without my will. If firefox is what starts it, firefox must be fixed. R. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 05:31:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB39865EE02 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091c6be7.bcae8ef3739b3e255ed614f235354c59@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQNK034g4z52X9 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091c6be7.bcae8ef3739b3e255ed614f235354c59@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626327092; x=1628919092; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=8UgOzK135ha8kOYUM6+SWUQPG3ov1dMmUbfNRkimWPo=; b=D7K+utZWY4136YtJgSpuNr8BDhRbhnH0xzZpgxtKKEn5Wjuas4erkJbGdtkt1Xs8ZbP1axc78RYK6f0zu7CMpvG4y/T+LQI47LkMkql1j+6kRb/RPhQ5Xjc4blCTq1HKq7rT669kUmGQ10/FFkvlkRa1mdJj1QN01pDmyJ8i9gA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDkxYzZiZTcuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:31:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:31:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m3txt-0005fh-Uy; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:31:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:31:16 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Rodrigo Readi Cc: Rodrigo Readi via freebsd-questions , Tomasz CEDRO , Roderick Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! 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I see no reason for a non > necessary daemon to start and restart without my will. > > If firefox is what starts it, firefox must be fixed. It is not firefox as such, it is the pulseaudio client library which comes into play because firefox is linked with it (it is a build time option). If you want firefox without the pulseaudio library you can have it but you'll almost certainly have to build it from source to get a build without pulseaudio. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 07:33:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309F266003E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQR1l6pzhz3MZ5; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 07:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id v189so7587173ybg.3; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qfodqp4cz2fHj5QboDnONjy5mmKNtH3nF5HBtocjMo4=; b=Ih2iJirGq/0HVqPmzLKIBRGjpeGifEm/A6fi0M+aJm4eyopoLAKHETbUooGmCQhwHE oDdkIGo7M+woD18n5QMw3oW/NMBy9YDBvdIhpdnzkahyBTsC8KrEkoicJp6T2oQwXH3O /amBkjDJIt3JBWFVFaIJCgj3wR8QS4GRBMFmNHiEM5U8d+kRN5z7akD1RlKiSZFb5Xsk e90ITfRQ6XjRDL3nKuaN7aJ1R6OvKCujQRr1BOgjeRVaqaubxiHTu/6bpxZHUKlIvMU6 UkB1wb1fB/XyZUI/i1YOUzTRH1tTiIhUUrWpMeoUBX+pUeyYI0Te1t9ofeoAYiQJn0MH ommw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qfodqp4cz2fHj5QboDnONjy5mmKNtH3nF5HBtocjMo4=; b=uFY3W5wyXxSE5Q2tSHbefbfF9g9H9/uE9PiOfxq0iFbDikGVu2hwSzWpCy0vFqPOme lNHEYmsRsDGtTpHo7e+QMbzrODOJG+vkoh9b5jzmiy/i6Qya9km2HIgRzGimzxIV8NyI lNWCVfiQfrSjIOVBj9kUCqN3Onf6hLwi8ImZdUYATphjEC1OhGdgwB1Vr+i23zh9BJ1h muJg0vZ0QHyvB7KKxWlTBdb8F/W5oB9YjbptfVCzEUIL2gbEknYcbByVL1bZZedBW6nT 4KqBrYGo19tYux8Kq2GgV0kZG1fjGu+91DYHYK3RB7k9idFBMJodr/KVcJrIzUUszqqE JbLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Ye8Ceb4qXiou22g6mCk9eh2C0fecJy0W+GVxwLBZJNAayx0iy E08A4W2xcnCox34oB0QGYqGWidJDmjy/KoiyZtywRUbMrdE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy/irrqmat5i+M7weTKco/t0ZfcQxGSC6aANiNz79QrrXuNbsbYbX2uQ2Bo7WxB+G9HxQMp9ET/EQedzj9jKBc= X-Received: by 2002:a25:764b:: with SMTP id r72mr3672725ybc.254.1626334404691; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:33:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 03:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: How to turn HDMI video off but keep audio on (slightly OT?) 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Any ideas on how to do this? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 08:05:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F7E66122B for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQRkR4Y62z3hMG for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id b14-20020a1c1b0e0000b02901fc3a62af78so5460564wmb.3 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WoexRmnDARADQKD5+aGtlIzsnWS4wDjdh+mt6xK+d08=; b=SmQ1iL3eRog/UwMNGUcT8AcsJQyZn8K5oFqal8ksYhmZQVSTYB1u2WXGzdXiQngiOL BUodslZYBI/G1qCeqHqnNuzGhxGvPQiUBKO8wxS9QFoorFJW/Ty3cvwCtDgRbObpqrbj BQ4e8rvFCBtF6VCdSfxz7GyD0IBCqlkwe11lxfolvz2Cq46p1jlX7EJiCgt7TKA/Pz2g O+UWYFtQ936jQZP/nHYNYghgppkMBp28AlucP75gE4kepakfTVm1u4pRqAp2vOzn4tsE 4U42dVDAMe2J8y8bZsOyQZl4mmrNDqBMEtYdIvPLQ9fxRq2GI2/h9D4QAO3O3SEYAFiW jP4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WoexRmnDARADQKD5+aGtlIzsnWS4wDjdh+mt6xK+d08=; b=TBqnOfUq4BnXOufpg6LyLW34WcIx9i6ox4Q0NfdFmCLptFehf+bcsRqQbZ95SirWHT +ZNXiCnU/qQnL/8lw1GpX4jyQYpXqwVn2igYk4WZdUO658hyYkAZnLzxsdLvict5nKMQ QQB1ukye/KGz4SrqJyLwHorF/1irdwTLdeaKm2wK2a8kk7wKmg8l2ImwG7tft4+rkTxf sPe82WgqRxZ/fHd4slHY7eK5aba1rcb1vN9Lsy+8m/GqkBvdw1sGe7TdIzrGvI2buC2E QcFyICscDIpipMDDEo0c6Pue5XPcEkwAqAjLcX9RY5n4MaoOwe+x/g+eRCgi8lCIaWLQ JrmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5338QyjPtL5zLHgpC6HCA1ElyMjZiVsXrYEcGPlpjNgslC+sOVZj P8XHj4uHmEq4dCZvDgqavfz3sd24w/qkwuvlR/DAcQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxuhWdPGjOgfx1RsRHV4cd49L5E4/f7DM5TIqA1IOh+pUBOafvy2ISnaBBMPKJSL3rphvoXZzV4UigbWHJRUZ8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2197:: with SMTP id e23mr3117269wme.101.1626336317404; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:05:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:05:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Rodrigo Readi , Rodrigo Readi via freebsd-questions , Roderick X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQRkR4Y62z3hMG X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=SmQ1iL3e; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32c) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32c:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32c:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32c:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org,gmail.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:05:20 -0000 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 07:31 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:35:19 +0000 (UTC) > Rodrigo Readi via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you tried setting: > > > > > > autospawn = no > > > > > > in ~/.config/pulse/client.conf ? > > > > No. And I repeat: I do not like that solution. I see no reason for a non > > necessary daemon to start and restart without my will. > > > > If firefox is what starts it, firefox must be fixed. > > It is not firefox as such, it is the pulseaudio client library > which comes into play because firefox is linked with it (it is a build time > option). If you want firefox without the pulseaudio library you can have it > but you'll almost certainly have to build it from source to get a build > without pulseaudio. > exactly, just make config at www/firefox port, unselect pulseaudio, make reinstall. however if you use pkg this will get replaced with a binary with pulseaudio enabled after pkg upgrade when new version shows up. you can pkg lock firefox then and update it from ports. there are no "build configuration varianted" packages yet in FreeBSD, but you can help make that happen - then you could simply pkg install firefox prebuilt binary with no pulseaudio variant. this is why disabling pulseaudio client autospawn in local config file seems simples solution and gives you want you want. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 08:09:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97971661169 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQRpk58lmz3hRh for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id g12so3137617wme.2 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:09:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HpR+mAVUUGxLtXKbnsnp72OXDWcREcTgm1GFc5LS4iU=; b=Ux04KQFjLDko1/frRV+7zbVQUzFmIcgWz8AM+Ef7hyR5WDyaK6BvMyNvahqL9F2S6k rxt4ULW0jfl9QPaSAiadX2H82rvmNPg+HrT3rUKbpbqDgF7OkKyxwv/6eZ7NMcwfF5dB GngKgj4lQEflLV7ZVnRQfVJKSbRh594TeAAIP01+xTfdmNT4tefAdN2xw+/dbduEm4V8 4KYgW4ON5Cxmmq7GagEDrYFb0y3kyNeG9JdwaNIc1MpZEAEr0RbrW35JiEAKA/E5oKeP HluSXlFknoeZgjMu4qLSp90Hf6s1jYBCsCdbz/hlsZ/aOJaDPv5U9G7oYHxuCCFbAVwf 338w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HpR+mAVUUGxLtXKbnsnp72OXDWcREcTgm1GFc5LS4iU=; b=bBKk3nZrmgi8WOXxcGQ9Jb49Wm3SUJsdbM7cJ+JAiBdc+4u3tGvV5+3AXknKNguUnu ZcWv/5Xv0h/6Chh3/BcTQk7jxHrfRKChWcaSZvhBqulmR6W5US142JBXauN/7z3JS8o/ Ug17pZB0oJwXzZdOBcp50uvuzni/feJwcXZbL4NK9ipuzgvuLNR68kkpvJXx32WK9n81 P8ZrE7cb8a+4XKJQI+XlY50lCCgvw6aF7wmeYzElysecyyQksfEL7StM9d5f49xVx9aM MfBSiVdUIELqhUqUoXE/2MFd3bHjqpeeeYTG5Y3idFaR7wqQss7ejzc5MzM9ZPhhtemN 76UQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xp3tYcSwuMxvMDy5qDiOXIHLpxGIgdTMWTDKN6Zd/Ewsn+gmX 9a1ciVIaEK8jqGzXf4A7vuYWhA8Ix9yPoIW0U3u2wBs98lg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxC3CCmvf6LF6Sj5c0E39E8KGwDhhDWNd8rg2oRm0pm/eOz095/Kf6sMqOxMeYwVPHLn1/QUbvpSJ6ts98DHdI= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9a51:: with SMTP id c78mr9101473wme.103.1626336541457; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:09:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:08:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to turn HDMI video off but keep audio on (slightly OT?) To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQRpk58lmz3hRh X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=Ux04KQFj; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:09:03 -0000 there is /dev/dsp for each audio sink. have you tried cat /dev/random >/dev/dspN for N=0,1,.. and check wherher noise is produced over hdmi when monitor is enabled/disabled in/without WM? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 08:09:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B6E66133C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091d649a.b2443f1a37dcc0ba27de697dbbfb4576@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQRqT0BjRz3hcr for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:09:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091d649a.b2443f1a37dcc0ba27de697dbbfb4576@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626336581; x=1628928581; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=JG0M1UofVEO1yHf1IbECZvdKCKzc+3g3mddXMHXLrcw=; b=o3rFIsXwpwM11naQShfODa9RFNckr35zJZkzn41YCKhuFQb0K0TYHMzQ8tbdsmRMWccfJeYGx7Odwljj0xj0FnyjUaZrInxOfBcD/wJDvvXwq+hghp+iHGN1wD9ToRGlrcQZVlfkns/lIBqCR6TmTy3iSq4P6Z0130WNRs2ZbAk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDkxZDY0OWEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:09:36 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:09:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m3wR4-0006Ag-LN; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:09:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:09:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Rodrigo Readi , Rodrigo Readi via freebsd-questions , Roderick Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! 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To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQSW82Thwz3mcj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:40:36 -0000 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 10:21 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 4:09 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >> there is /dev/dsp for each audio sink. have you tried cat /dev/random >> >/dev/dspN for N=0,1,.. and check wherher noise is produced over hdmi when >> monitor is enabled/disabled in/without WM? >> > > Already tried that (should of mentioned it in the original post) > then you may try to put monitor into some sort of dpms sleep mode (see xset s and xset dpms), so it does not power off, just keep audio out, that may depend on the particular device how it has power management implemented. this may contain some hints: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52263/how-can-i-put-my-hdmi-display-into-and-out-of-power-save-mode -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 08:52:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0012661DC8 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQSmx27JKz3pw5 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQSmv2tyhzDr6D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:52:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626339151; bh=WkurBpZwwNq332FOe7oDvK1sOfkjo08LoUY8Ax1TRbE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BJrfb/1+3pL5yi05RT+jLBtYGjuSECwhakHPeJdlwUIhXohNZBxpBNn46uTVSv7vQ TnNCWbhznJURW4Or523d4wv27cwXTZcbBdv2DY8NJWeqhSBFGcUtyE7+2K/v1HTaAy CaKQ30o6ENhBft6VUiDXVE/yhfzYB8BJJMCFeJ8o= X-Riseup-User-ID: B8F5AF1006119A68F69694BA42F9DAD53CBB8A5042597EDDEB445E74035E0790 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQSmt6y24z1xph for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 01:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:52:29 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! Message-ID: <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQSmx27JKz3pw5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=BJrfb/1+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:52:34 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:31:16 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >you'll almost certainly have to build it from source This could take hours, at least on Linux with an Intel Celeron dual-core CPU G1840 @ 2.80GHz, with 8 GiB RAM, so a regular tmpfs is too small to build Firefox and it needed to get build on a SATA3 SSD. Let alone building the Electron framework, based on Chromium, IIRC it took 1/4 day. There's no reason that it can be expected to compiled faster on FreeBSD, just a computer with more horsepower can workaround this issue. Building those bloated browsers takes way longer then building kernels and due to security related updates you have to build browsers very often. On Linux pulseaudio became a default annoyance earlier than on FreeBSD and in the beginning there where absolutely no working ways just to disable an installed pulseaudio. If you just delete the pulseaudio related files, nothing that was compiled against it breaks, resp. audio might break, if no alternative sound architecture or a workaround is provided, but even then Firefox works without audio. On Linux an alternative apulse worked and it might still work, I don't know, since the packages of the Linux distro I'm using provide Firefox build against jack and ALSA, too. I still prefer to build empty dummy packages on Linux to fulfil dependencies of packages that were build against pulseaudio, instead of installing and disabling pulseaudio. Assuming "autospawn = no" is a solution that works without issues nowadays, the problem would be solved without a dirty hack. However, I'm in favour of the dirty hack, since it works without fail, even if a drop-in file or something else that gets introduced the other day, will break a solution that works today. If you rely on using Linux software on your FreeBSD install, than I've got bad news for you. If you prefer to stay with a reliable old-school environment, you are forced to get used to dirty hacks or to fork software, since it's even not granted that annoying things can be disabled or replaced by something else via config flags at build time. My all-day workstation is a _rolling release_ Linux distro, that follows upstream as close and fast as possible. 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To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQTSR1BCMz3vqK X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=FvJaeImg; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::42e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.88 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.35)[-0.353]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.77)[0.769]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:23:20 -0000 if autospawn=no does not work or you dont like it you can always modify the pulseaudio upstream itsef, this is open-source, you can shape it as you like, no need to complain, just make it happen, add dummy package option to pulseaudio upstream directly so you do not depend on dirty hacks or obsolete forks or hours of unnecessary builds, with a stub directly in pulseaudio project you will only have to rebuild and lock pulseaudio package, all others packages will have dependencies met and you will not have pulseaudio running, huh? :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 09:44:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE8662C66 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQTwd5q8wz4SnD for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id u8-20020a7bcb080000b02901e44e9caa2aso3187258wmj.4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fkD+SZIm5CUATjFEU7zBq+vuxz3jfk1emUq6FPkwo2g=; b=TbV83BNCn7Wv1rg1oBS+vaSoEoESoNg886E2wK1ogFFPcj24Hfse6FlTHsXwq7+xhq Ww8EVpTE4LYd7O/KOTao3VYWdd1v5nn4pGJ7ZasXRXrML2VoLD3c5vH7dfD6UPmyZPpF szg/Gopk0rOQvTOGl1/Ztk3rUZ5gluRvRYQlpeeG2J9684NlUJSbCj5XVcKkM5nAWe5I naOjnW92fjfFOAoFkiIS8BAZ57Ada48USLOWWbLUW1tVypWp257KbSJ7fTbRmZyxfXuK R2bsHkh4Cof+KANhlyMRcgFFEK8dguo1KDmLKLN5VRncdXpPqKXaIwCOuy492wCKTCzP lNsw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fkD+SZIm5CUATjFEU7zBq+vuxz3jfk1emUq6FPkwo2g=; b=EAn/DpHDapUgCvFeAuGftjQYzdIX/7IfKrvIXdVP8+U+BIdRaJMtb8NgoZ50oOtpKJ 0tbhU1KYEoHbZZAWMj2OIDQ4K7c+ML6/3QlW0XVyj9nh1xJPfkYMb0nxL/RhkggUcFsu Nz/gB220SHybDbNWzSbTBNrm1miz5uRkQdMOHddOgstFdXpKbBF5WYO3mlA51yatAqBL wMZ1Zdwk5Rju3vXyLcZW1aEOBncEkR3Pp69aRVwQQMUijjXQElJMXvi6XS4fAJYnW+K2 gHACl9I7wJtMy6z6fpXuKfuQufBfNx8LPmfZV53+HI7BqCmTHCf/OrqztuWNvCaI4wdc gV6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530e6I9fDHW+iwzBECrJtlyl83m0EGWExHvAj7w0QCLiMeBBR8yB xNkVeQvvRAxT07d4gvAYH/mIeMMsSeSCq1UWIHFJNw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzQ2lHh+z5aeR4UD9Lab6e6KMhhbF/tM2H3KPL/2JmqhYLH8mhhsATeXYGpbZZqty96XyaU795urhnNrO1oGaw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2197:: with SMTP id e23mr3532356wme.101.1626342256216; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:44:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:44:05 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to turn HDMI video off but keep audio on (slightly OT?) To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQTwd5q8wz4SnD X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=TbV83BNC; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::334) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:44:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 10:40 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 10:21 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 4:09 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> >>> there is /dev/dsp for each audio sink. have you tried cat /dev/random >>> >/dev/dspN for N=0,1,.. and check wherher noise is produced over hdmi when >>> monitor is enabled/disabled in/without WM? >>> >> >> Already tried that (should of mentioned it in the original post) >> > > then you may try to put monitor into some sort of dpms sleep mode (see > xset s and xset dpms), so it does not power off, just keep audio out, that > may depend on the particular device how it has power management implemented. > > this may contain some hints: > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52263/how-can-i-put-my-hdmi-display-into-and-out-of-power-save-mode > Audio and Video on HDMI are tied together. I would check if the monitor itself has no power saving enabled on its own that may shut it down after some (inactivity) time. If this is the only HDMI output on the card I would simply increase dpms power off time for instance to 4 hours of inactivity while keeping screen saver/lock around 10/15 minutes. If you have another HDMI output then you can buy HDMI to audio cable/adapter they start at $2.5 at ebay and you stay independent of display. The best way imo is to connect external USB Audio Card and stay independent of HDMI at all. 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In-Reply-To: <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> Message-ID: <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQVWl71dFz4XRt X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=lcHBdgRa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hruodr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::329 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hruodr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.21.173:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.29)[-0.290]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:11:16 -0000 In my opinion it is clear that the problem is firefox. Trying to solve it tricking the system is the false way. The main problem is, that most web sites are de facto written for chrome, and perhaps firefox. We need a browser, but are not free to select a browser. Although there is a standard, we have something like a monople. I ask me how difficult could be to write something lightweight, but fully compatible with chrome and mantain it compatible. The similar question with firefox. Perhaps something scriptable. It seems that most of the browser is the render engine. But we have the same problem with a much simpler technic: email. The only lightweight mail client I know that is usable for actual demand is: alpine. It is developed and mantained by only one person. I have the impression that free software movement has one side very demanding goals, on the other side is neglecting very elementary things. Rod. On Thu, 15 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:31:16 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> you'll almost certainly have to build it from source > > This could take hours, at least on Linux with an Intel Celeron dual-core > CPU G1840 @ 2.80GHz, with 8 GiB RAM, so a regular tmpfs is too small to > build Firefox and it needed to get build on a SATA3 SSD. Let alone > building the Electron framework, based on Chromium, IIRC it took 1/4 > day. There's no reason that it can be expected to compiled faster on > FreeBSD, just a computer with more horsepower can workaround this issue. > > Building those bloated browsers takes way longer then building kernels > and due to security related updates you have to build browsers very > often. > > On Linux pulseaudio became a default annoyance earlier than on FreeBSD > and in the beginning there where absolutely no working ways just to > disable an installed pulseaudio. > > If you just delete the pulseaudio related files, nothing that was > compiled against it breaks, resp. audio might break, if no alternative > sound architecture or a workaround is provided, but even then Firefox > works without audio. > > On Linux an alternative apulse worked and it might still work, I don't > know, since the packages of the Linux distro I'm using provide Firefox > build against jack and ALSA, too. > > I still prefer to build empty dummy packages on Linux to fulfil > dependencies of packages that were build against pulseaudio, instead of > installing and disabling pulseaudio. > > Assuming "autospawn = no" is a solution that works without issues > nowadays, the problem would be solved without a dirty hack. However, > I'm in favour of the dirty hack, since it works without fail, even if a > drop-in file or something else that gets introduced the other day, will > break a solution that works today. > > If you rely on using Linux software on your FreeBSD install, than I've > got bad news for you. If you prefer to stay with a reliable old-school > environment, you are forced to get used to dirty hacks or to fork > software, since it's even not granted that annoying things can be > disabled or replaced by something else via config flags at build time. > > My all-day workstation is a _rolling release_ Linux distro, that > follows upstream as close and fast as possible. > > Installed > local/apulse 0.1.13-1 > PulseAudio emulation for ALSA > multilib/lib32-libpulse 14.2-2 > A featureful, general-purpose sound server (32-bit client libraries) > extra/pulseaudio 2013.08.18-1 > Dummy package > extra/pulseaudio-alsa 1:1.2.5-2 > ALSA Configuration for PulseAudio > extra/pulseaudio-bluetooth 2017.12.19-1 > Dummy package > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 10:25:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18329663CEC for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQVrf6znmz4ZrW for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626344755; x=1628936755; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=DAbSF57CRuLpIOP5R1g20fPJCwJqdZGCCNz9NLeprMM=; b=kImzAJQ4vY/RbzO0rLbEFyp3rjJkjySmg+FB80q3cObPUkx8l/4C5vAXYBP2uTA1Ot2ig9L/yboEEDfKTx5PEbgTiDaosQ517WHBrbm1DL+46v0cSkXqUyJGw4oNG/Mat7b9Zp7OJuKZOK/LBM50rtPyUbNJa1pabcQFfmeIktk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDkxZjFjNWYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:25:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:25:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m3yYt-0006ac-BJ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:25:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:25:46 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Roderick Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! Message-Id: <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQVrf6znmz4ZrW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=kImzAJQ4; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200091f1c5f.8aec68b2d8f828e386544b67fc0ff825@email-od.com]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:25:56 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Roderick wrote: > > In my opinion it is clear that the problem is firefox. Trying to > solve it tricking the system is the false way. Not quite, the 'problem' is that the firefox package is built with pulesaudio support which by default starts the pulseaudio daemon automatically. You can build it without and the problem will go away for you. > I ask me how difficult could be to write something lightweight, but > fully compatible with chrome and mantain it compatible. The similar > question with firefox. Perhaps something scriptable. It seems that > most of the browser is the render engine. There have been a number of attempts none of them successful, that problem is hard. > But we have the same problem with a much simpler technic: email. > The only lightweight mail client I know that is usable for > actual demand is: alpine. It is developed and mantained by only > one person. 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[178.8.21.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g15sm4569614wmh.44.2021.07.15.03.56.08 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:49:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Roderick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! In-Reply-To: <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQWWZ6QRJz4gSH X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BvaC7QxZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hruodr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hruodr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.77 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.21.173:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.18)[-0.181]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.95)[0.948]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:56:12 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Sylpheed works fine - it has failed to annoy me for many many years > now. Not lightweight enough: it needs X11. In spite of it, I tried some of these GUI mail clients. All (?) of them download all mails even if one use imap. That is in my opinion not the purpose of imap. If there should be a light weight mail client with gui, at best together with the lightweight browser: unfortunately we are being invaded with html mail. And with that also nntp (common code). Mutt is very cryptic, and if you want to read the body of the email, it downloads the attachements. Also not the purpose of imap. Alpine is by far not 100% my taste, but the best I know. Rod. 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[178.8.21.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t5sm6063704wrw.38.2021.07.15.04.09.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:03:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Roderick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! 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That is in my opinion not the purpose of imap. And for downloading all emails, I would preffer to user mbsync, fetchmail, or something like that. R. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 11:31:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D521665087 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQXJh2W0kz4mPS for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQXJf2JhfzDq8X for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626348706; bh=fjbdHI9+SorxxM5uLORwL+MxORmi0HfWea6CUCjqpfQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=m7a+nOYzFjQm/PDnfF52KFMJt5DFIwZlIu9pUJ3hSPTfjrlhCeHj61oSSb/BnNJEK BVEWvLuSXR61FnD5+U1oWuhWgdwQEbm1yV1/CBmLdcwK+lXYOMRpq2UOTR6KPr6ZKz UeHfXW81lnhwY2nk3uUNyPTPAD30DpsiqTZQ+d30= X-Riseup-User-ID: 000AFD892149F75B039B091C28AB1FADC1640FD5370EE3421B7734A570BD22D9 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQXJd4pMCz5vNY for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 04:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:31:43 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! 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Unless Sylpheed has got a GTK3 or GTK4 branch, it will annoy you soon ;). 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Message-ID: <20210715133149.44004414@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQXJz1k3sz4mbP X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=RbnQnHfP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.61)[0.611]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:32:03 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:23:06 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >if [...] you can shape it as you like, no need to complain, just make >it happen [...] all others packages will have dependencies met and you >will not have pulseaudio running, huh? :-) I'm not complaining, I dislike steps into wrong directions. 1. I will not get in contact with pulseaudio upstream and argue related to anything. 2. I build dummy packages nearly a decade ago, when it was introduced to Linux and never suffered from pulseaudio. For the OP doing something like this is seemingly what I called a "dirty hack", for me it's a clean workaround. 3. For almost everything pro-audio related I anyway migrated from Linux to Apple and I don't care much about desktop audio. The migration happened, because the advantages of FLOSS in some domains make way for the same disadvantages, that we experiences with software for proprietary operating systems, but without providing the advantages of those proprietary operating systems. 4. Likely the near future for Linux audio will be PipeWire or something similar. The toy pulseaudio, but even the pro-audio sound server jack likely will become obsolete for several reasons. It probably will have some impact on FreeBSD, too. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you everyone who replied, seems there are many methods. 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I was looking for replacement for thunderbird, and Sylpheed looks like right one. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 15:32:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A96492CB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQdfm1XZcz4V6W for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id a13so8307452wrf.10 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F0mVa0FoxC9/uBOZN1M6ykEHVe65FTZKWODuATyrzwc=; b=h0i7oyam69ggd6jQdmjmrEBlY6GEnaycE6yJ1o3+sZYYHFiG15DQaXfhHDDd45YNpi uQ6TJtxRVVvo9f4m1tHUOOYsHoR0SLCd+fpvbZOi2cf/OZjKfMOdJs/Nhk3hpLLSd+Bw /l7pa3W7+fXKlUTzzetKnI89r2Llap+plzYPVW7vjjlrmwE/NLJ558wxE/7iP6xRgxvF BtzZWiFzhFDVHRnfjD+st5bB5t5cR3vjisUx7UyFj0y7maHGUiVMAQY7/z1VMa1vUoVG d+++seiD7TY6MS69ifHYQwLraUJtHRG4Rjni1IW7EaXGh6XtmEHob3pidji3YIOk/Chy Y51w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533HWq4fnnG33kHXMkgMzPI3xXmI0jOh087oKvjBml3Cp3Rpnpdx 6asLAcgM8U4UjogIbyn9Z066UQndgq0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzRWgSa2G2kUlqVldXL1CbYcwj/slrWFDDZkB6i37bi1OjWXwxOHFjZlxZSqb/oCjWQLdINHQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:634c:: with SMTP id b12mr6260435wrw.238.1626363166650; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (host-92-1-116-226.as13285.net. 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I was looking for > replacement for thunderbird, and Sylpheed looks like right one. There's also claws-mail, which used to be sylpheed-claws, the development version of sylpheed. They diverged too much and became separate projects. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 15:36:14 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3294B6493CC for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GQdkj3tf0z4VVQ for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EFFC4E65F for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:36:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:36:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQdkj3tf0z4VVQ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.67 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.77)[-0.774]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:36:14 -0000 On 7/15/21 10:32 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:15:51 -0500 > Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> On 7/15/21 5:25 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Sylpheed works fine - it has failed to annoy me for many >>> many years now. >>> >> >> Steve, thanks a lot for mentioning Sylpheed !! I was looking for >> replacement for thunderbird, and Sylpheed looks like right one. > > There's also claws-mail, which used to be sylpheed-claws, the > development version of sylpheed. They diverged too much and became > separate projects. Thanks for mentioning that. I did start using claws-mail, but after some short time of using it I switched back to thunderbird, just forgot what was the reason. I will need to revisit claws mail, I figure. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 16:24:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A6D64A212 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQfpl5FN8z4fPM for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQfpj4XR0zDyKM for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626366285; bh=+W7jP0n/S2+WImDx9XB7NG+ZNgtcJ3gdCsh7gvHJcOY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=e1FfRvJkkgMJUSMQu+3gaLQGweBu40gE9SXt6OIhOzG4OpBEYxxxUcEcUjuFNf7s7 I+Ff7AQb4m8u+/5k2K1v3/fcSkaPWR7WLuPysZaPnX31A7WzTk2EkZGHkqPh4ngY6l CUObRX4IemtF4AUssZW9qXO8nj0qasBw2GTFHCxE= X-Riseup-User-ID: E1EF40C236AA27AD3873228F0AF1BA9424571E387D2336F52C62B6F97A4A4408 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQfpj0BhPz1yS7 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 18:24:42 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! 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I did start using claws-mail, but after >some short time of using it I switched back to thunderbird, just >forgot what was the reason. I will need to revisit claws mail, I >figure. Advantage: GTK3 branch was official released a few days ago, I'm already using it for more than 6 month (on Linux). Not that I'm in favour of GTK3, it's just that GTK2 is discontinued. Disadvantage and most likely the reason for you to drop Claws: It's _not_ multi-threaded and incredible slow. While you wait that something incredible slow does finish, you can't do something else. 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It filters incoming, but not outgoing mails. There's no reason to argue, instead of outgoing filters some users are anyway in favour of account and/or folder settings, it just doesn't fit to everybody's workflow. It has got several other advantages and disadvantages. IOW Claws isn't to everybody's taste and even users who like it, are annoyed by some of its oddities. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 17:07:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B603B64A97E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQgmC2K4jz4nFB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id l18so7296845iow.4 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dhmU4DZ6Et+lxKfPR3qj75BX01EnnW324dJV0XDTiwc=; b=MuDcftyhr/ZziJEe123cnKNymiWueliV2HuKfsMv3WYSawFy06X4zXCYERtJvTGqOj G0dAPxfYYq9jabvIZBYVqAMyKtqtKoryiUw6oIIX4Ju1lZ/VJ2/9XsHWYkEhji0AumYo pdENBibpM5JB3Klv3zUY3WCBRXhrueYTCUuRE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dhmU4DZ6Et+lxKfPR3qj75BX01EnnW324dJV0XDTiwc=; b=GGI8GKhtDeM24WbquL1bAayvEnBjF6sXnxLVtXWyT/5jXvvQuekNbJtkHRL1cOHUo6 Qtjg8dyr0PuMk/DAnfuh5KW8DdO1bFjAXx+teoK6hoLxwzBXJOpGKHwHo3r7PbEhV87H DS3FBmh9JaSHBkgJ+ZPsQTYBH2hDH7Y2xVX/isf6/vwp3CYa2rAR57fHYP7OuFqRU0xU ni3OjO1N1O+9BucixdjlKqUXaS7GSVFqqRSZgIKj6KQPQNMxUcBoZ57EpiQT6gcwkMq6 3uLVjx0bUC5Iiqzt5DlOKP707NgEYDwKsMS8wQ4VtEKyPnBGQhv6qF+Vnv/Ma46YNnMU licA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531/O0nB6V+5LvM3Key5YciKoHSjL1MJf0lboSS/+94fgAL4iu4R mRZ+7Q+TbXRIvrcj3P4knxyqIwOQ6SOXmbamWEZZU4pUVlPgrg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyvcp87SfL4Evk+y7SS0GoyPtrykyiRilNl3CiZ2ho1jPK+0SEk0SyTn5SRqQlgxn3vPy5ERnLT7FL0gWTwqTY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:2111:: with SMTP id n17mr4886083jaj.76.1626368857631; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> From: Mario Lobo Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:07:25 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQgmC2K4jz4nFB X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=MuDcftyh; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:07:40 -0000 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 13:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:36:13 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >Thanks for mentioning that. I did start using claws-mail, but after > >some short time of using it I switched back to thunderbird, just > >forgot what was the reason. I will need to revisit claws mail, I > >figure. > > Advantage: GTK3 branch was official released a few days ago, I'm > already using it for more than 6 month (on Linux). Not that I'm in > favour of GTK3, it's just that GTK2 is discontinued. > > Disadvantage and most likely the reason for you to drop Claws: It's > _not_ multi-threaded and incredible slow. While you wait that something > incredible slow does finish, you can't do something else. > Another disadvantage is that claws-mail is now having serious problems to authenticate to gmail IMAP, which never happened before. 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Perhaps due to xoauth 2.0. 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While you wait that > something incredible slow does finish, you can't do something else. The only time I notice that is during searches. It does block during submission, but that's almost instantaneous these days. |The rest of the time it's fine. I am connecting to a local IMAP server though. 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Message-ID: <20210715211628.13cf80fb@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQly75dG2z3rMB X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42c:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.1.116.226:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42c:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.906]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42c:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:16:32 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:07:25 -0300 Mario Lobo wrote: > Another disadvantage is that claws-mail is now having serious > problems to authenticate to gmail IMAP, which never happened before. Do you have a source for that? There's no mention of it on the claws-mail bug tracker or mailing list. 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There's no mention of it on the >claws-mail bug tracker or mailing list. https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2021-July/028299.html -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Paul To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.18.0 and 4.0.0 unleashed!!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:13:43 -0000 Mailer: Claws Mail 4.0.0 (GTK+ 3.24.29; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) 10th July 2021 Claws Mail 3.18.0 / 4.0.0 CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. Version 4.0.0 is the initial GTK+ 3 release. Version 3.18.0 is the GTK+ 2 release. Notes for this release: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you are upgrading from the GTK+ 2 version to the GTK+ 3 version of Claws Mail, you will need to reload any plugins that you want to use. New in this release: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Support for the OAuth2 authorisation protocol has been added for IMAP, POP and SMTP using custom, user-generated client IDs. OAuth2 preferences are found in the Account Preferences on the Receive page (for POP: Authenticate before POP connection, for IMAP: Authentication method); the Send page (SMTP authentication: Authentication method); and on a dedicated OAuth2 page. [snip] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 20:46:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B7864E6E7 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQmc86WC4z3vtS for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:46:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQmc71Z98zDs9S for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626381959; bh=CV4D7oJU86qV8htSz90Kud2dArsMiJ2OildrD2G8kKI=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=PZE/Iy/zT6aBdFA35l/+5UqNIgXGMiZzgaHA2prAxzxD69wHP9vpQJO9R/qleA/6p jw7c76ZzWjFeNOZa2jC5VbZLRIFiaQDcttHuMSfPJZIID44hcsYvLKTLilVHF0+Cle 6UKEjL1hqNjC0sRzRz4C/oxSxb9miiGN6ZUCbmJU= X-Riseup-User-ID: 909F9D0FD6D158059A3FF3990EF843170B02D259808155C188D88FF2DD8D7FA9 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQmc64PRGz1yQp for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 22:45:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20210715223007.3f8ed5db@archlinux> References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> <20210715211628.13cf80fb@gumby.homeunix.com> <20210715223007.3f8ed5db@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQmc86WC4z3vtS X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=PZE/Iy/z; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:46:01 -0000 On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 22:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:16:28 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:07:25 -0300 Mario Lobo wrote: > > > Another disadvantage is that claws-mail is now having serious > > > problems to authenticate to gmail IMAP, which never happened before. > > > > Do you have a source for that? There's no mention of it on the > > claws-mail bug tracker or mailing list. > > https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2021-July/028299.html > [snip] IOW it was added a few days ago. It was missing before, examples from the mailing list and bug tracker: -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Jerry Reply-To: users@lists.claws-mail.org To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: Re: [Users] Gmail and OAuth2 access. Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:57:08 -0400 Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:09:29 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > I have been reading that Gmail will not allow access after February > > 2021 without OAuth2 access. Will this have any affect on claws-mail? On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:13:47 -0400, edwardp@gmx.com stated: > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-to-force-oauth-in-g-suite-to-increase-security/ > > If this information is correct, it applies to G Suite accounts. > > It doesn't specifically mention individual Gmail accounts. >From that same article, Microsoft also announced in September that basic authentication will be turned off in Exchange Online for Exchange ActiveSync (EAS), POP, IMAP, and Remote PowerShell starting October 13, 2020. Lets be honest here. It is no longer a question of "if" but rather "when" will Google & Microsoft and then all of the other carriers follow suit and limit access to their products only by apps employing OAuth2 access. I feel that this is something that we have to take very seriously. Just my 2₵. -- Jerry _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@lists.claws-mail.org https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: noreply@thewildbeast.co.uk To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: [Users] [Bug 3525] support oauth2 authentication for google apps account Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 16:19:20 +0000 https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3525 --- Comment #1 from martin@mascha.me --- The company I work for changed the authentication to use MFA for Microsoft Exchange accounts. This change included that the IMAP server now supports only XOAUTH2. The client log: [17:15:17] IMAP> 1 CAPABILITY [17:15:17] IMAP< * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XOAUTH2 SASL-IR UIDPLUS MOVE ID UNSELECT CHILDREN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ [17:15:17] IMAP< 1 OK CAPABILITY completed. It looks like it says it allows plain but this seems to be wrong. So XOAUTH2 support is needed to login. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@lists.claws-mail.org https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 21:25:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB1C650CF1 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pkagan@videotron.ca) Received: from alt31.smtp-out.videotron.ca (alt31.smtp-out.videotron.ca [24.53.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vl-vm-csp257.ip.videotron.ca", Issuer "int-SNINTCAP1-CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQnTj3DHgz4XvS for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pkagan@videotron.ca) Received: from AWLDM ([173.176.219.200]) by Videotron with ESMTP id 48rDmQJ5o9VJ548rImas77; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:25:28 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=MMYDJOVl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=60f0a7c8 a=oaKXazPqqAQRKKEMLXbeDQ==:117 a=oaKXazPqqAQRKKEMLXbeDQ==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=xC2n_pYh8EDn5aSfleMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Paul Kagan" To: Subject: how to run namei in bsd? 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It is no longer a question of "if" but rather > "when" will Google & Microsoft and then all of the other carriers > follow suit and limit access to their products only by apps employing > OAuth2 access. I'm not sure about gmail. When you enable 2FA it disables the use of the main password from mail clients, but you can still get an autogenerated random "app password" to use instead. App passwords can't be used for anything else but accessing mail servers and they can be made arbitrarily long. oauth2 looks to be only marginally more secure since its secret can be read by a cracker or malware just as easily as an app password can. Oauth2 protects against the case where an attacker has intercepted the connection and got around TLS, which seems the lesser case to me. I don't see any good reason for gmail to ban app passwords. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 16 00:50:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128E365531C for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 00:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from heuristicsystems.com.au (hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au [203.41.22.115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2560 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au", Issuer "Heuristic Systems Type 4 Host CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQt1n70dnz3Lh7 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 00:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from [10.0.5.3] (noddy.hs [10.0.5.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by heuristicsystems.com.au (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 16G0GinV003982 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:16:46 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=heuristicsystems.com.au; s=hsa; t=1626394606; x=1626999407; bh=mMEgMDj6ukVLMEiBmPz5pH9ZMcOmn4Mo7pyFU7CNu3E=; h=To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date; b=WYE0YYinNLxLCVdLfJOMaQCilDXTQgD/OLnjY92pvlHjYAAaOs/luZi6Zb40Z3SDW vLyDWJHgKU0cIUhzRx0ENBT8XJOEYZ8Il4wnzYaor5XpCu6/oYsSCW1P08m9gUFhGt taMDrOZPbjwkllRjSGvPrBXyLqX7s9rjiXuX3BrpV9Lu9W2r0p0Dn X-Authentication-Warning: b3.hs: Host noddy.hs [10.0.5.3] claimed to be [10.0.5.3] To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Dewayne Geraghty Subject: Is dnssec subject to intermittent failures? Message-ID: <9c03e923-5794-3bd2-5b27-b18592b95fd7@heuristicsystems.com.au> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 10:16:40 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQt1n70dnz3Lh7 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=heuristicsystems.com.au header.s=hsa header.b=WYE0YYin; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au designates 203.41.22.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heuristicsystems.com.au:s=hsa]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 00:50:08 -0000 A few weeks ago I modified my named.conf to include dnssec-validation auto; after some testing we inserted into production. Today my named refused to resolve with these messages: In lame-servers.log (hundreds of these) 16-Jul-2021 06:04:47.412 broken trust chain resolving 'googlemail.l.google.com/A/IN' and a little later in default.log 16-Jul-2021 06:17:09.018 client @0x2e3be400 127.0.5.91#47479 (freebsd.org.lookup.dkimwl.org): query failed (broken trust chain) for freebsd.org.lookup.dkimwl.org/IN/A at query.c:6818 16-Jul-2021 06:19:00.604 client @0x2c66fc00 127.0.5.91#8845 (googlemail.com): query failed (broken trust chain) for googlemail.com/IN/A at query.c:6818 After commenting out the validation line and HUPing named, it functioned correctly.  I repeated by reapplying dnssec-validation and again refused to resolve. Is something in dnssec misbehaving of am I just being lucky? Regards, Dewayne. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 16 01:32:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D8265617A for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQtyt6Sjpz3hy1 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 81572 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2021 01:32:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=13ea2.60f0e1b5.k2107; bh=q1KCh9GCx3F0CKNRWlKbmJCWVebFSaOhSJdwJQhUGDc=; b=f3rchfOm7Ssu9RGcPzUt+KXFmh9QlHHTwtL9tWnF34+lkppCGc/BCXm2j9gEl5nASKoB2Ls6i9UHyVTyh+s1Fgn/HbgcY2B+CZrOcJanbwfV9HoKuz0HXPMr6/8lUKvfC9zFLUzIJuYd+QHoz1dfRmKHg6G34bxIf+PNK9+5HihsxBBWJP/Zj444AAJIFDToJbF4E8eKykDSqJqAB43DkBJLKkEq80Bgjcc3cPfUoc8yvJerIUOyj6nOo4rw9nkOJ4xXU9ZiIN/BhgNTt2yNnUAl51HW5myGLLj4PgSmdB4fRWntCqmhb55XrFI0C/crVGKMW+Cm6+DZc1HfqOV9kg== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 16 Jul 2021 01:32:37 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id E25D023C384C; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: 15 Jul 2021 21:32:36 -0400 Message-Id: <20210716013236.E25D023C384C@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au Subject: Re: Is dnssec subject to intermittent failures? In-Reply-To: <9c03e923-5794-3bd2-5b27-b18592b95fd7@heuristicsystems.com.au> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQtyt6Sjpz3hy1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=iecc.com header.s=13ea2.60f0e1b5.k2107 header.b=f3rchfOm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.28 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.878]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[iecc.com:s=13ea2.60f0e1b5.k2107]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:32:40 -0000 It appears that Dewayne Geraghty said: >A few weeks ago I modified my named.conf to include >dnssec-validation auto; >after some testing we inserted into production. > >Today my named refused to resolve with these messages: > >In lame-servers.log (hundreds of these) >16-Jul-2021 06:04:47.412 broken trust chain resolving >'googlemail.l.google.com/A/IN' > >and a little later in default.log >16-Jul-2021 06:17:09.018 client @0x2e3be400 127.0.5.91#47479 >(freebsd.org.lookup.dkimwl.org): query failed (broken trust chain) for >freebsd.org.lookup.dkimwl.org/IN/A at query.c:6818 >16-Jul-2021 06:19:00.604 client @0x2c66fc00 127.0.5.91#8845 >(googlemail.com): query failed (broken trust chain) for >googlemail.com/IN/A at query.c:6818 Something is screwed up at your end. None of those three domains are signed with DNSSEC so there shouldn't be anything to fail. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 16 02:21:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72E66567B9 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 02:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edscott.wilson.garcia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQw3F540dz3qbl for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 02:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edscott.wilson.garcia@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id 22so13366243lfy.12 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Rg0MrNg1/INd750OWQEqvQ16ifZjfjHAtoI3iiSgrPA=; b=F1FqOl1Oq+iOWMGHD0zu4NrBD5AHzOi8qLW4cIgwzVu8ayq0Yww0dXbq4GZ/sCSWe7 oWuXMpB+Rx3dcm8m4Urs78RGf6ZAW9Z1Au+QKShbdR3Udg/fm2Mg6aIQO7kNhOcrdUsR mziY/8RIiqEOmuKJqDWEVQDlD9ZEKNj5bL5aSCRA8ab3z5AA/r61dtAR1gO4VHAYCuyP Lo2PgmYoFC4WBTtVFmyrz/S9So//mVUFv5K8uFhMn7aO+godHBJpyFkApkzv+ZTuzxJs TamWaMlzpCAHstQrXUCC7bkremQ0rjPkvHlYPhEQihJNNLHUw1CBMtyiQTsNl+U8XGPj 7OYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Rg0MrNg1/INd750OWQEqvQ16ifZjfjHAtoI3iiSgrPA=; b=KT0lXSTP+zN8gF/+FsrjBSX7j2CXw3h+vUTqAsia2M3762RcXJHlmmIua0oIRr/3H6 tbDHfgVhFZ+IllZzIC9F4hvVwaTW4FSpeV0u7VfUDan8aSFhmbYE1AUBe6DC4Euvl9L5 uVV1SkXLqSlLzaswUKOD0QhhzjENrCYEzJfm+0Oh16osE+gYMTdb4AKt+wCLbDanLAe7 KPFbBpHyqr2AbKanuZ0eRMetVDE1OvKitcez3SuVfLasTsrdHz7XT7LYrTTCCAx5Tg65 6uQzM137x0MQwhaTuFJlzMDBb7yNsRzpCAsFctG2nl7OaLtWNlgfTcJIztDSwPafGRK3 7LWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530LlS210KcuKSni5mZVcrp+QG47UO26iGiJFamNkqPEy8cQ7a4b noqRvojbjbw6gRi1m65PYbvm/6tnmMmsvkSjlTH3cM8+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwCpmkUC9xT4d2ROK+15U1Z9tz1ntBAa7+7ZNy6PPW5e+X5CjUw4+mvssK0ajS6GPr037Iu9m1GWkEAby6jTKU= X-Received: by 2002:a19:434c:: with SMTP id m12mr5791006lfj.45.1626402087990; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:21:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Edscott Wilson Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:21:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: USB boot sector not found (release 13) To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQw3F540dz3qbl X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=F1FqOl1O; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of edscottwilsongarcia@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=edscottwilsongarcia@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::130:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::130:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::130:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 02:21:30 -0000 Can anyone shed some light on this? I have no problem installing FreeBSD-12.1 from a usb, but if I try to do the same with the release-13 iso files, I get a "USB boot sector not found" error. Fdisk (Linux) reports 2 partitions on the 12.1 usb: one EFI system and one FreeBSD boot. 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 02:43:05 -0000 Hello I get the following error: no such file or directory when I try to copy files over from one directory to another... root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # realpath dserver.hosts /usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader/dserver.hosts root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # ls -l total 62 -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 430 Jul 2 18:26 README -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 3047 Jul 2 18:26 dactive.kp -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 39985 Jul 2 18:26 dcontrol.ctl -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 2590 Jul 2 18:26 dexpire.ctl -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 1132 Jul 2 18:26 diablo.config -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 470 Jul 2 18:26 distrib.pats -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 551 Jul 2 18:26 dnewsfeeds -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 415 Jul 2 18:26 dreader.access -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 134 Jul 2 18:26 dserver.hosts -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 961 Jul 2 18:26 dspool.ctl -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 1930 Jul 2 18:26 moderators root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # chmod 755 *.* root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # ls README dexpire.ctl dnewsfeeds dspool.ctl dactive.kp diablo.config dreader.access moderators dcontrol.ctl distrib.pats dserver.hosts root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # cp *.* /usr/local/news cp: /usr/local/news/dactive.kp: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/dcontrol.ctl: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/dexpire.ctl: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/diablo.config: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/distrib.pats: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/dreader.access: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/dserver.hosts: No such file or directory cp: /usr/local/news/dspool.ctl: No such file or directory From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 16 03:38:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D9565982E for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 03:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQxlY73SPz4X4V for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 03:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:37:54 -0700 Subject: Re: no such file or directory To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 20:37:53 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; 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NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 03:38:03 -0000 On 7/15/21 7:43 PM, pkagan@videotron.ca wrote: > Hello I get the following error: no such file or directory when I try to copy files over from one directory to another... > > > > root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # realpath dserver.hosts > /usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader/dserver.hosts > root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # ls -l > total 62 > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 430 Jul 2 18:26 README > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 3047 Jul 2 18:26 dactive.kp > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 39985 Jul 2 18:26 dcontrol.ctl > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 2590 Jul 2 18:26 dexpire.ctl > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 1132 Jul 2 18:26 diablo.config > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 470 Jul 2 18:26 distrib.pats > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 551 Jul 2 18:26 dnewsfeeds > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 415 Jul 2 18:26 dreader.access > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 134 Jul 2 18:26 dserver.hosts > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 961 Jul 2 18:26 dspool.ctl > -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 1930 Jul 2 18:26 moderators > root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # chmod 755 *.* > root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # ls > README dexpire.ctl dnewsfeeds dspool.ctl > dactive.kp diablo.config dreader.access moderators > dcontrol.ctl distrib.pats dserver.hosts > root@:/usr/local/news/samples/feeder+reader # cp *.* /usr/local/news > cp: /usr/local/news/dactive.kp: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/dcontrol.ctl: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/dexpire.ctl: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/diablo.config: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/distrib.pats: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/dreader.access: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/dserver.hosts: No such file or directory > cp: /usr/local/news/dspool.ctl: No such file or directory Please enter the following commands into a root terminal and copy and paste the console session into a reply: # freebsd-version; 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MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c37800015cbb8e.f6626d58e3a7ce93e372bbbf08aef5c2@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.849]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tundraware.com:s=slkey,email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.18)[0.179]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:31:39 -0000 On 7/13/21 2:56 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:37 PM Tim Daneliuk via freebsd-questions wrote: >> It's that time again, so - as always - the same questions: >> - Will this upgrade require recompilation of all ports (I do not use packages)? >> - Anything else tricky about this? > > If possible move to 13 it works better than 12 and has some graphics > improvements already in place (intel works better but still amdgpu > seems useless on modern card) :-) > > I have upgraded from 11 -> 12 -> 13 with no problems. Yes you will > have to rebuild your ports after upgrade (I am using pkg). > > If you are using drm-kmod for intel disable loading this one in > /etc/rc.conf before upgrade, perform upgrade, rebuild from ports, then > try by hand if that works. ABI changed and this module caused some > pain including kernel panic in a loop on mounted filesystem on 12. > > Good luck :-) > Thanks Tomasz - I recompiled kernels and world for 13 and it's running nicely. Did you use portmaster -af to do the port upgrades or something else? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 16 15:45:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9366635D8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from dd39600.kasserver.com (dd39600.kasserver.com [85.13.155.197]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRFv64xr1z4cHL for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from uhura.hoffmann.computer (ipb21bed5f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.27.237.95]) by dd39600.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03DE922A37BE for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:45:36 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=simonhoffmann.net; s=dkim1; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=D2vsIVtZcp24i2y5l8e78DjWStCuInK+Kcy5l7JBpfc=; b=AXQSp+iLbICz7CqQDc3Bpuc7Oo MoGSMZgVaT4CbGaM29bNzGyjmU1CyDDVcsOz5Zp4aTnuF95rxP5CK2CO0U4EczY3KgaZnlaTL8+N2 lT6IAk3PslEX3RwEQ7vNRcEeAH3YTTxBXEO7heY9cNzk/KP7e7rcuj5Kz8C6EYU0gm3eLsSz+LDGM Ow1JkAXRKeR7WQ7376DBwL3BCcZ7VKOClJIaEXSaZNAgX91r67yz/zoF8cJTSjypJA7H+x7/aOszW wqUJDTJJcjyPI4vE0skO53+j/tLRKle7IJqC+oZfvOk34iQzu+nqtBZSsP2McYhke0jtphXpJAEcd XNyZ4IWQ==; Received: from [192.168.170.81] (port=39290 helo=admin02.HOFF.local) by uhura.hoffmann.computer with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m4Q1t-00006l-1i; Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:45:33 +0200 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F15.60F1A99D.0053, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 17:45:32 +0200 From: Simon Hoffmann To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Moving From 11-Stable to 12-Stable Message-ID: <20210716154532.GA3997394@admin02.HOFF.local> Mail-Followup-To: Tim Daneliuk , FreeBSD Mailing List References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-sophos-spx-encrypt: 0 abuse: abuse@hoffmann.computer X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRFv64xr1z4cHL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=simonhoffmann.net header.s=dkim1 header.b=AXQSp+iL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=simonhoffmann.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@simonhoffmann.net designates 85.13.155.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@simonhoffmann.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:w012befb.kasserver.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[simonhoffmann.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[simonhoffmann.net,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.155.0/24, country:DE]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.27.237.95:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.801]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[simonhoffmann.net:s=dkim1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.967]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 15:45:40 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > I recompiled kernels and world for 13 and it's running nicely. >=20 > Did you use portmaster -af to do the port upgrades or something else? i used portmaster. 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TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tundraware.com:+,email-od.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tundraware.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c37800015ee452.ee57c20724dbf83e1f86b6d90da2f80e@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:53658, ipnet:142.0.180.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c37800015ee452.ee57c20724dbf83e1f86b6d90da2f80e@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.911]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tundraware.com:s=slkey,email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.54)[0.545]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:02:08 -0000 On 7/16/21 10:45 AM, Simon Hoffmann wrote: > >> I recompiled kernels and world for 13 and it's running nicely. >> >> Did you use portmaster -af to do the port upgrades or something else? > > i used portmaster. I think this is even the recommended way from the handbook :) > > Simon > > Yes, I think that's right but with all the churn and change, I can't tell what the latest "religion" is sometimes ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 17 10:50:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F61C651975 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRlJ10Czgz3hZk for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 4b64d6c1 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b09d8448 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id be6a7321 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:50:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c9383581 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:50:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:50:17 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: cpufreq Message-ID: <20210717065017.18a0ed3d@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.18.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRlJ10Czgz3hZk X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[78.46.223.134:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[78.46.223.134:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.46.223.134:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:50:26 -0000 Hi I have FreeBSD 13,0 RELEASE installed on Thinkpad T490. It works but I do not know why I cannot load module cpufreq: $ lscpu Architecture: amd64 Byte Order: Little Endian Total CPU(s): 8 Thread(s) per core: 1 Core(s) per socket: 8 Socket(s): 1 Vendor: AuthenticAMD CPU family: 23 Model: 24 Model name: AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 3500U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx Stepping: 1 L1d cache: 32K L1i cache: 64K L2 cache: 512K L3 cache: 4M Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 cflsh mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt sse3 pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave osxsave avx f16c rdrnd syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy lzcnt sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb pcx_l2i tail -f/var/log/messages=20 Jul 17 05:43:16 lumiwa kernel: interface hwpstate_intel.1 already present in the KLD 'kernel'!=20 Jul 17 05:43:16kernel: linker_load_file: /boot/kernel/cpufreq.ko - unsuppor= ted file type=20 Jul 17 05:43:32 kernel: interface hwpstate_intel.1 already present in the KLD 'kernel'!=20 Jul 17 05:43:32 kernel:linker_load_file: /boot/kernel/cpufreq.kounsupported= file type=20 Jul 17 05:51:38 kernel: amdgpu:[powerplay] pp_dpm_get_mclk_od was not impl= emented.=20 Jul 17 05:51:38 kernel: amdgpu: [powerplay] pp_dpm_get_sclk_od was notimple= mented.=20 Jul 17 05:52:10 kernel: amdgpu: [powerplay] pp_dpm_get_mclk_od was notimpl= emented.=20 Jul 17 05:52:10 kernel: amdgpu: [powerplay] pp_dpm_get_sclk_od was not implemented.=20 Jul 17 05:53:01 lumiwa kernel:amdgpu: [powerplay] pp_dpm_get_mclk_od was no= t implemented.=20 Jul 1705:53:01 kernel: amdgpu: [powerplay] pp_dpm_get_sclk_od was notimple= mented. Thank you. --=20 "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.=E2=80=9D Leo Tolstoy From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 17 10:55:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BDD652140 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GRlQQ3YG0z3jrR for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 780F665213F; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D1B65220C for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [94.130.200.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRlQP3c6kz3jns for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:55:49 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1626519349; bh=HYb9H1KoZRLNGnKuLLiPolJebkyoEPRJRDjj+DE5q3U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0GRoNa/WT+uGD1JXJu2HtarJTIj4xlDpjy1yxRrBs15IZg9Ev/oe14+Xi0igEvd13 FNrT/zPUiqOYJlU1vtJ1GZW1ekPt1aPPIjD7Yi019RHVlkzluTg413qB4ibpWYKmwP Z82ugD1VCppFHEVripNv4P3ak1k7WF2MLKE6uEWPinRlN32RTDjNXSV8wEWXD+LSTy 9svWWtxtCYBU3Nb+L848cW/67dkjtojGqEFlk7/YmKcIsfkIeI9EQSXCOof2MhscVt ZynHMc0c5SZbwCNN+LcOwRnW0l4/orT1cUZc0AxqluGFZNGKqbmhjLxXX1lHB5Qr/Q 0wHaWbDcdGUhA== From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cpufreq Message-ID: References: <20210717065017.18a0ed3d@dismail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210717065017.18a0ed3d@dismail.de> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRlQP3c6kz3jns X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=0GRoNa/W; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 94.130.200.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:94.130.200.20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[94.130.200.20:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[94.130.200.20:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:94.130.0.0/16, country:DE]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 10:55:58 -0000 On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:50:17AM -0400, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi > > I have FreeBSD 13,0 RELEASE installed on Thinkpad T490. It works but I > do not know why I cannot load module cpufreq: What kernel do you run? cpufreq is already in GENERIC. What happens if you run 'powerd -v'? -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 17 12:52:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCC5654917 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRp0S0nRfz4ZfP for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:52:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b735ecbf for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ba82d1b1 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 11bca375 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 0fb71dfb (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:52:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 08:52:03 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cpufreq Message-ID: <20210717085203.30ca45ec@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20210717065017.18a0ed3d@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.18.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRp0S0nRfz4ZfP X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[78.46.223.134:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[78.46.223.134:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.46.223.134:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:52:10 -0000 On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:55:49 +0200 "Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 06:50:17AM -0400, LuMiWa via > freebsd-questions wrote: > > Hi > >=20 > > I have FreeBSD 13,0 RELEASE installed on Thinkpad T490. It works > > but I do not know why I cannot load module cpufreq: >=20 > What kernel do you run? cpufreq is already in GENERIC. >=20 > What happens if you run 'powerd -v'? >=20 I am using GENERIC powerd -v powerd: using sysctl for AC line status powerd: using devd for AC line status load 135%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 107%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 102%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 116%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 95%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 102%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 101%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 101%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 106%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 118%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 108%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 112%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 104%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 114%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 100%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz load 103%, current freq 2100 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 4200 MHz ... ... When I star powerd -v I did run clamscan Thank you. --=20 "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.=E2=80=9D Leo Tolstoy From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 17 14:44:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEA1656DA6 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRrTW2R0fz4vWJ for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id k16so14186051ios.10 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 07:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wjH0iQTP1ibJLpu7UyElmctKaknzj54+GowqfEWtCzU=; b=gHmXeASUAViTghmOzDcCEO9w0VWUr4UVqK2Z+u3sHsQbmqOoQPD+uYDT6QKTX7Fl3R 25c2E/HKyCd8/aoDyOSvxM3R9uyN+4VJ2HsSwwW/769EMXi1ybAXj/I33kBhTTSppf04 oaC74oVP24V6DL9bFQSFkLDkW01b2WezB4uHY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wjH0iQTP1ibJLpu7UyElmctKaknzj54+GowqfEWtCzU=; b=ckP0Q/1wjX2YKUSMQ3iZ00DMq5H+kzxm+LklUmVpqOoY6ymezYw5w/M9q2xLkQ6U3d XM35pl//THX6z35coWVGAM7WCvpWNcCNHNoqYbuGqAAT1Fa5MKGLoOT4D0vAFpDSJu2B G0DXYWyslNkYZcx2mJ9tWkqDpXqaTQWETjsaB4iYB4mJmb+16XGRHgp3mOpkvp+068qO OTF0XtrjEuJN0HhaK58Tf9oP6Vwgx3FDqrD6oZJm7jVv2MtNv2D1yIHkOQWe+xlGX/S7 sMbg32ZdRHlfAzZFNUo76u5oVQI1aoVmj7acC+3lEIu2y+nM96Acv613f5Ak/ufnfoCb JHaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531dmp4gL/xCpaVuvLTvU6OcaotwRNX9SH0Y//PEVemUko8sP2eM yu7DXI7qvxxJA9yal5wdm5s8JRsobyHVWM8jl1ZuJRXn6kxk0qW4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzlyiaqbjUFHD38fYn/WIge74Bakm3pFkYTLtNzaB974re3fQFpuCcZBPJ5hMZsDUOcA5EDZcbLA2dm/oMuSMA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9b14:: with SMTP id y20mr11374223ion.8.1626533037561; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 07:43:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> <20210715211628.13cf80fb@gumby.homeunix.com> <20210715223007.3f8ed5db@archlinux> <20210715225442.3ccef0ae@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20210715225442.3ccef0ae@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Mario Lobo Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:43:46 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRrTW2R0fz4vWJ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=gHmXeASU; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.984]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:44:00 -0000 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 6:55 PM RW via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 22:45:47 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 22:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:16:28 +0100, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:13:47 -0400, edwardp@gmx.com stated: > > > > > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-to-force-oauth-in-g-suite-to-increase-security/ > > > > > > If this information is correct, it applies to G Suite accounts. > > > > > > It doesn't specifically mention individual Gmail accounts. > > > > > Lets be honest here. It is no longer a question of "if" but rather > > "when" will Google & Microsoft and then all of the other carriers > > follow suit and limit access to their products only by apps employing > > OAuth2 access. > > I'm not sure about gmail. When you enable 2FA it disables the use of > the main password from mail clients, but you can still get an > autogenerated random "app password" to use instead. > > App passwords can't be used for anything else but accessing mail > servers and they can be made arbitrarily long. oauth2 looks to be only > marginally more secure since its secret can be read by a cracker > or malware just as easily as an app password can. Oauth2 protects > against the case where an attacker has intercepted the connection and > got around TLS, which seems the lesser case to me. > > I don't see any good reason for gmail to ban app passwords. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I just compiled and installed claws-mail 4.0.0 and it still gmail gives me trouble: [2021-07-17 11:38:50] IMAP> Logging mario.lobo.neto@gmail.com to imap.gmail.com using XOAUTH2 [2021-07-17 11:38:51] IMAP< Invalid credentials (Failure) ** IMAP error on imap.gmail.com: LOGIN error [2021-07-17 11:38:51] IMAP< Error logging in to imap.gmail.com *** Couldn't login to IMAP server imap.gmail.com. My credentials ARE correct. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> <5d8e1ddf-92d1-48a6-0b76-04e2a81077f7@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715163245.658c4b29@gumby.homeunix.com> <65457cf2-37d2-5050-fa59-8926ea240baa@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210715182442.722507f6@archlinux> <20210715211628.13cf80fb@gumby.homeunix.com> <20210715223007.3f8ed5db@archlinux> <20210715225442.3ccef0ae@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <88f68531-72c5-d57f-5df8-8cc60d247e4f@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:42:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRwR36jJvz4RkY X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fHVokkaH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42f:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42f:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.96)[0.965]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42f:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; HAS_X_PRIO_FIVE(0.00)[5]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 17:42:08 -0000 Time to change the subject line, people. I assume that Claws Mail is not what starts PulseAudio. Thanks