From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 17 12:18:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465CC6537C1 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ezekielmotta017@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GRnFW2fCKz4RbK for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ezekielmotta017@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id t186so19340085ybf.2 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 05:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4GlXclE3jzAUjxAsOq+DYoYc7qtZXTiKl5IVNapsnsQ=; b=SMforj9d1ZSNjOoKh4QM1uk3+Z9hmiARHjjdLmWMPvaGy3KGNJalvzSE9BSmCL3vdj RNr+nrQQZy0AuoKydNbK5gyuew7fIBUhqeuUOt1zmA5UogL9lE0sHHPnfbzwX14T0XwF dlKoHB8gwPT7a5I+EzOm/rR3CzHcDpocrPzzr7MtjemLqnPzBmSjOMS4xCUucKrmFu65 t6CftaXANjCR9ZWRjmBjtDSCAJ1ZBUomdzr6/bj+JOX/C/x5ghZYeYk7dPqkdX3EjFvp FXj2O05zEB16ViGOtcXB4Dpa9cKp5emy9V02Zey/Mju5hQSjxg944KNn/nV5KVrLMI/J trVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4GlXclE3jzAUjxAsOq+DYoYc7qtZXTiKl5IVNapsnsQ=; b=jGHlIqvbBYGIzBXwILQVvFdBYLZJ5jeL/CwppiTw1TjRryDjZVc8m68hkcrmGDkOen 2d9yJVPId8ye2mo7mIpSwUNBTlkNLI9XcXGOj8KdkG3hAr5XS4mkrCPWGYcXs67pKVfF lFF0FiXLN6PCix7ZkkaRoblwNydcdZhjvobaZBImBoVBgKd7q8aQ4gFuaOdrCl9Fdxqi CRgSoHBSTpExJjL0AP1zzMve7vueb62GLSNpqTsJU0WU5IoMXt21bVboX/8ZabFXPVRJ mHd4mLOiyolmrA7EDsLjagnekEC37P50SglQkCYyjURtizMZVE3K30nsJIthj8FWKWDt 0BkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530mrx1jXTs7cgZgXfpXxsc59OmiCy/Nm1uZgfPLg4B6HCvxEFwU 3HQ5Ov76pQS5eZ4bU7k0dpKLK3v53O6XCUirUab4PRYogmI1lw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy27QQh9VHHq1B8eW8wHniO6JSfuHWtqmO8AmYIda0uOaRXUZMXRAQS/PYHqFSgLlayBNIAkIKUS652ODDDHYw= X-Received: by 2002:a25:a4a5:: with SMTP id g34mr18664410ybi.473.1626524302297; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ezekiel motta Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:18:11 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GRnFW2fCKz4RbK X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=SMforj9d; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ezekielmotta017@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ezekielmotta017@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:53:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 12:18:24 -0000 Hello FreeBSD Foundation Hope you are all doing well. I know nothing about computing, and have never used any other OS except macOS precisely for that reason. I would love to try FreeBSD but I can not since I am an ignoramus on all matters relating to computing. I have watched FreeBSD videos on youtube. I identify with the philosophy of your Foundation. My question is this: why don't you offer a FreeBSD download with a simple installer (With openbox, for instance :) so that people like me can install FreeBSD and use it??????? Is it very difficult? A light desktop environment, like openBOX and FreeBSD ready to go, no more tweaking, terminaling etc) You might say: well, if you want to use FreeBSD you must learn how to use FreeBSD. Well, I don't want to learn because I have other things to do and I am not good at it. I just want to use it. Do I have to be sort of forced to learn X before I can use X? That is absurd. I am just a simple user. You say you subscribe to the principle of simplicity but installing FreeBSD (for non-technical people like myself) is anything but simple, especially when attempting to configure a desktop (I have seen it on youtube). To you it may appear simple, but to me it is not simple at all. I could install NomadBSD/GhostBSD/, but I would prefer to install FreeBSD from the people that have developed FreeBSD. I do not like forks, I think they are a bit parasitical. If you offered a simple installer (download image, burnt it on usb flash drive and install it, done, finito) I believe many many more people would use FreeBSD. This is the only thing that is stopping me from using FreeBSD. I am certain that you have received my requests like this one. I just do not understand why you do not make life much simpler for people like me. Kind regards zeke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 18 11:44:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E657C669B8A for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSNRp5TtJz3nBS for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSNRm4842zDqcb for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 04:44:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626608660; bh=2kdGvt2kFdGP/Q07Xv2OKjBYHJVHgSm++Rv/BOTnhu4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=IrUkiZtq6h8Ll0/I7Y/OxZ4lP/DgsNXoNZJRKEoNMZZClehv4BnCcvsrvoFOFslyw gArhC/hmwBn0LVXiLco0EYUyawjOI0GMyHhM7+MvnuJI5j+e/aryqog+2Td0G58iFr nyWZAu1S4xPE5ywMYtu4FAR519B/Ofw3wyNME53k= X-Riseup-User-ID: 73B052A3926893F379EB981C0682A2926424CF31E1A452504C78F58967277B3E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GSNRm0v76z5vfF for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 04:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:44:09 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Claws Mail (was: What the hell starts pulseaudio?!) 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On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:43:46 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: >I just compiled and installed claws-mail 4.0.0 and it still gmail >gives me trouble: Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 08:19:44 -0000 From: Paul To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: Re: [Users] Using Google Client ID with claws On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 17:57:27 -0700 "lists@lazygranch.com" wrote: > I would like to learn CLIENT ID in general. I have seen it mentioned > on the Dovecot list. I run my own email server so the claws automatic > feature isn't what I really want. My goal was to just get any client > ID running and then observe the operation. Thunderbird supposedly is > CLIENT ID ready. I haven't run Tbird in years but will give it a shot > just for Gmail. I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. with regards Paul https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2021-July/028381.html Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:32:53 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: Re: [Users] Using Google Client ID with claws On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 08:19:44 -0000, Paul wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 17:57:27 -0700 >"lists@lazygranch.com" wrote: > >> I would like to learn CLIENT ID in general. I have seen it mentioned >> on the Dovecot list. I run my own email server so the claws automatic >> feature isn't what I really want. My goal was to just get any client >> ID running and then observe the operation. Thunderbird supposedly is >> CLIENT ID ready. I haven't run Tbird in years but will give it a shot >> just for Gmail. > >I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking >about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, >and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. Hi, for the Yahoo and Rocketmail POP accounts I'm using, I generated passwords, one for Evolution and another for Claws by the Yahoo Webinterface security settings, not by Evolution and Claws. Actually Rocketmail is Yahoo, too. It is required for the enforced two-factor authentication by Yahoo. For Evolution and Claws those passwords replaced the old POP and SMTP passwords of the usual POP and SMTP settings. For the Yahoo account I'm using for the Claws mailing list, Evolution's POP authentication is set to "Password" and the SMPT authentication is set to "Login", while for Claws the automatic options are used. Taking a look at one of my Rocketmail (Yahoo, too) POP accounts, "LOGIN" instead of the automation is used by Claws, too. It doesn't matter if automation is used or not. Regards, Ralf Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:40:19 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: users@lists.claws-mail.org Subject: Re: [Users] Using Google Client ID with claws PS: Claws is GTK3 version 3.99.0.r0.gce219a1a5-1 on Arch Linux and GTK2 version 3.17.8-1 on Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS. By links they share the same config and mails. 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Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:37:13 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSPcr2Td7z3vYg X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AUHuIohL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of raduicaiulian@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::633 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=raduicaiulian@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.115.151.119:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:37:18 -0000 Any idea why in "struct sendto_args" from "sys/sys/sysproto.h" all members are surrounded by "_l_" and "_r_" members? From what I can see many structs from that file follows this pattern, it has to do with structs padding and if so, why we need two of them for each member? 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I do not like forks, > I think they are a bit parasitical. … Things such as GhostBSD are not parasitical, please see (for example): – I'll request addition of NomadBSD. > If you offered a simple installer (download image, burnt it on > usb flash drive and install it, done, finito) I believe many > many more people would use FreeBSD. … True. Realistically: we should not expect developers of FreeBSD, which does not include a desktop environment, to provide and maintain an image with a desktop environment. It's simply out of scope. Desktop environments, window managers and so on are ported. For each port, there's a maintainer. FreshPorts is our friend: Community works in progress include this, which should work if a disk (written from Samuel Venable's image) is used to boot a real machine: should explain why FreeBSD does not distribute images with desktop environments, although I reckon that the book of answers to frequently asked questions is already too long. Elsewhere there are many discussions of the rationale. Two of the more recent discussions: Kind regards Graham (former user of Mac OS X) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 18 13:25:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBE466B504 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSQhJ2T3Bz4Y5C for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSQhG31gwzDq8F for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 06:25:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626614718; bh=Xm8Hhmjx645Ied53PFwNz7plo1olrWX4+PmY4CCh4Pc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=TpEcg5FXD/VBMPJ0rQErxgyIK5bwxYz87Iz+IbiaKH0dRTE6enlebcZu5Q3OO54HQ FKTQGvM+MDNwEMcZMV59VubtavsHtQY3I3Z+CB2mRolqBk2/ZDXzYM1l9/GHjr+hOf kCZqAZGtQTHMdd23Fjgvxu9mqw0Mcf3m6islzpRY= X-Riseup-User-ID: E8D598C396D47334D16C60B6BFF28CDA06694E095722D664911FC24B14EAA1E3 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GSQhF5yJrz5vbC for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 06:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:25:14 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210718152514.7aae1757@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSQhJ2T3Bz4Y5C X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=TpEcg5FX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.36)[0.359]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:25:21 -0000 On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:38:26 +0100, Graham Perrin wrote: >Things such as GhostBSD are not parasitical, please see (for example): > > > >=E2=80=93 I'll request addition of NomadBSD. Hi zeke, for testing purpose I recommend starting with NomadBSD. https://www.nomadbsd.org/handbook/handbook.html#installation describes how to use an USB memory stick, or how to install it on a hard disk or how running it in Virtualbox. This is something you at least must read and when you decide to use FreeBSD, you at least also need to learn how to backup data. If that's to much effort, you should stay away from FreeBSD or Linux. For what purpose/s do you want to use FreeBSD? Note, in the first place I used FLOSS operating systems and way later I migrated to a proprietary bitten into fruit operating system for some purposes. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 18 16:25:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D4E66D4A8 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSVgd52v7z3HGr for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id g22so17041464iom.1 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8O5XBYgXYXWe2x0FmMs1v7GmwCYqFuTI/4KdNjfTwHg=; b=XmNNTd50n2ofy3ATMLVpXScyQ/RWiZBvX9eGwq7rFS9KQsJWq0YYH96dhJslm1ziq1 E6Ym19tSBb7sFWYeb1ApSXXL7qmRglSXCRVNap2yc3UGNUH08+9Ls5GC7l4fkvY3vTU6 qRlYpCfWI0amM5C4P4K22p/uNtf3p71ItNxKs3ZmnXzQ+Oi+dwgsppX5nrtxgsu7G3I+ /HuIhPNl9oi25IADZMkyZZznSVvD5c2K0H3Qidqh35/BbNnCO1J66vzbnlO4/Oe6r40Y /3GHVOSSCr3crsWYNqNOjrAFPejoyS3T0ri89U6PrdLT6HdyJwpDz+kAJx6M3SgtuDJH ZakA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8O5XBYgXYXWe2x0FmMs1v7GmwCYqFuTI/4KdNjfTwHg=; b=QeYsBI3sedRSuehTpvBA5Qx6QRi/9kPRnOq+KfNhM9abyut6fX3Ab85y1OYEoNWMNV DET/940hPREG7dDkMBvEQL+UIRvCIQXxUu6Z5UNdS4BVypoBOFk/fVHeHaEIf7BKdlFa TPfbRZExD7THB5ORg4c3yBm1vpgflCNgg08z2ZygFPrI4L+EM0hyyogy61ChCQtmS9Av GTYfcRN81tlL1QpZWecvnDXOyr4hfiJT1kfpG+EpAV8a8va7+ipV3u26MvZCsP3avjJC 9CloY7HKwAOIj50sszlM68UqxgCO9/16enNouqecnyKtulOrZV8EI8DDgcrwW1vIZClR QutQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KISDUupL0pAewVu39YOZ4wNqWQA7PFLbv9jI9CRH+bsw798Cs zHO6UOtfkg1EZsPuNiHeDigT4tZzJTmckJLuEbk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw4YhQA46agy4nNeUts53tYzexfPHi7W4tHuRtisNTxMn59aMNtOlZn5dBEourYQhBGgdgjySleRxUIuhOicF0= X-Received: by 2002:a02:380c:: with SMTP id b12mr17733067jaa.68.1626625500694; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <098d4cce-a655-bb60-2e10-97989a549f81@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:24:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: KDE/Plasma + sddm: graphical login pauses a while, then restarts. To: Graham Perrin Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSVgd52v7z3HGr X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=XmNNTd50; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:25:02 -0000 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:10 PM Michael Schuster wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:47 PM Michael Schuster < > michaelsprivate@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Graham, >> >> thx for your response: >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:26 PM Graham Perrin >> wrote: >> >>> On 13/07/2021 06:40, Michael Schuster wrote: >>> >>> > login screen reappears. >>> >>> >>> This happens if you choose 'Plasma (Wayland)'. >>> >> >> not so, I'm afraid - I've been using X11 all along (I *may* have >> inadvertently started Wayland once or twice a while ago before I noticed >> the choice) >> I know I saw /usr/local/bin/startplasma-x11 in the process list when I >> tried this just now - is is possible that something got screwed up and is >> trying to start something Waylandish? Where would I check? >> > > I did some research, perhaps this will help someone point me in the right > direction: > > ~/.local/share/sddm/xorg-session.log from the failing session proceeds > until I see this: > === begin quote == > [...] > kscreen.xrandr: Output 86 : connected = true , enabled = true > kscreen.xrandr: Emitting configChanged() > org.kde.kmix: Mixer id was empty when creating DBUS path. Emergency code > created the id= "OSS:::1" > [ four more ] > org.kde.kmix: Mixer id was empty when creating DBUS path. Emergency code > created the id= "OSS:::1" > > ... when output (tail -f) pauses for a while (a minute?), then carries on > here: > > kdeinit5: Got EXEC_NEW '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' from > launcher. > kdeinit5: preparing to launch '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' > kdeinit5: Got EXEC_NEW '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' from > launcher. > kdeinit5: preparing to launch '/usr/local/lib/qt5/plugins/kf5/kio/file.so' > > .. then again a pause, then this: > > QProcess: Destroyed while process ("/usr/local/bin/plasma_session") is > still running. > QProcess: Destroyed while process ("ksplashqml") is still running. > === end quote == > > as previously, TIA for any pointers leading to a solution. > another data point: I can use Mate alright (am doing writing this) - would that indicate that sddm itself is OK, and I need to investigate plasma/kde, not sddm? cheers & thx Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 18 17:14:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1727866D7F7 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GSWn72qfwz3Pkk for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id l18-20020a1ced120000b029014c1adff1edso11319820wmh.4 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=TqoYk+NC5IvimoThRa0MVyymIjYx9wRbiTj2+qI3+WM=; b=O2MSgioehQBa80gC5xjGYUfo15P8GkBXroqWPik/B4Sa0SHjbj9N5uVsHhFfju2vRs Qeqcb/OhehCXilRgbS27+sbdZH6qmLZRnutgcneKWmcAuipANFmsIqng1VjQ2hV1F824 D7DAXUubd1UtbcvrjJsDmvbZA14GNK7Ihf026T3GKPgN9GPCg1K+kgNhvufLEHiXgHhl OP0H/PcxLBKYLh8Dwvz+jgLenRzhk1bMR0JrzE514YgKKdyx1noqsfjQuyJXEpiYbklZ K0Jlk/hHmSNmROrGIpb1pNKBjNSi/3oDAnsdBo+bKw223kJQdhlolmJlxAuGDo1zvTcm 7ikg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:mime-version; bh=TqoYk+NC5IvimoThRa0MVyymIjYx9wRbiTj2+qI3+WM=; b=HTvpB68uR9rAk7Bl3Bs6hQau1TQ3+6Z3E8uWZq8f+aJGF9ul5jcd+wqXsy+CYrbRYD zLT11gk9omepM/ZY0Zo4VAzwE9Q/GLd3prs8zzEVuUzrdVUipLzIV8L5xrGFzc3mZw67 T86exkvaykyzft12L8c8dnFI/XeBtecOUPJQgMX24NvGhkujozujN3LfLc6RS4x0A6Pq 8b32eWpZI5l9p6OqN2dxmaMGJ6DxN69jT6G3sC1TifrhloHlkWXlx6lmtbUKn/jxcMbu d08ihGJ3Yh3MBofRWaStbYqNnmTmyg30QdKlFPsjuuM7hNcjAqPwyTBxFEIekDyjovZD d/tQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ojLWhUFUe3Lw8X3dlPrXtlO7Abx4hJAjI9UZ0U6e2OSMljlkg fiS6sNN/9Ue10aXBsGnoIeX/ycI6aF8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwf8XnEiabFKPD7ZEydBi0vm4x+WdOtdXVBF1JGZYGM2Z9WHRhDhGLkBd82xJ/0RlCsUEkYdw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:44d4:: with SMTP id r203mr22562231wma.91.1626628489902; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (dslb-094-222-208-162.094.222.pools.vodafone-ip.de. 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But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. R. 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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:20:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSYDS5sq4z3qpQ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=jbGWWfW5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:20:09 -0000 On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer... > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of confusion by users. The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as described by https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's probably the same. 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From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:27:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSYPN1rWzz3v14 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=NaVPDLsX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:27:53 -0000 On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer... > > > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking > > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in claws-mail, > > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. > > > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable > > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. > > ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of > confusion by users. > > The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users > (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings > get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo > Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is > generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all > the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the > password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as > described by > https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html > . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the > old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's > probably the same. PS: "Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your email app." This claim from Yahoo is confusing, since complete bogus. The password and the email address are used by the email client to access the Yahoo servers. Nobody of us needs to sign in with it to use our email clients. 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To: freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GSYv44jbyz4Rjy X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=fTRc2QyE; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:50:10 -0000 On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:28 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 20:20 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 17:07 +0000, Roderick wrote: > > > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Note, I forwarded this quote from Paul, a Claws developer... > > > > > > I'm not understanding what this "CLIENT ID" is that you are talking > > > > about, if it is not OAuth2. But OAuth2 is not automatic in > claws-mail, > > > > and it is not (currently?) necessary for connecting to gmail servers. > > > > > > There is some pressure from google. One must continuously enable > > > "less secure apps", otherwise OAuth2 is the only alternative. > > > > ...and the Claws developer knows all this, but there's a lot of > > confusion by users. > > > > The reason that I described how it works for Yahoo is, to explain users > > (not the developer), that the passwords by the well known Claws settings > > get replaced by passwords, that were generated by the Yahoo > > Webinterface. Nothing does change when using Claws, just the password is > > generated by Yahoo. There is nothing "two" things whatsoever. It's all > > the same password usage as before, just that Yahoo generates the > > password for each external mail client accessing a Yahoo account, as > > described by > > > https://uk.help.yahoo.com/kb/new-mail-for-desktop/learn-generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html > > . Old passwords don't work anymore, there was the need to replace the > > old passwords, by those new generated passwords. For Google it's > > probably the same. > > PS: "Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your > email app." This claim from Yahoo is confusing, since complete bogus. > The password and the email address are used by the email client to > access the Yahoo servers. Nobody of us needs to sign in with it to use > our email clIent > This is all really confusing to me. 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Message-ID: <20210718224841.41fceef9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GScWx4FG4z4kxd X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=s/OQiUFb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:48:47 -0000 On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:49:55 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: >This is all really confusing to me. In the days before two-factor authentication your mail client needed an user ID, usually the email address of your account and a password to connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT servers. If two mail clients accessed the same account, they both used the same password. Nowadays your mail client still needs an user ID, usually the email address of your account and a password to connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT servers, IOW nothing changed, even the same configureation GUI of e.g. Evolution or Claws is used. New is, that the password now is generated by Yahoo and you need a password for each mail client, they do not use the same password to access the same account. The only issue is, that you need to know about it and that you need to search for the place where Yahoo's Webinterface does provide this feature. Actually they informed the users about it by email, they just spread a little bit FUD, because they want us to use their smartphone apps or Webinterfaces only. However, the fault for this annoyance isn't caused by companies such as Yahoo, it's for example EU law that does force companies to change authentication methods two times a year. Not related to email accounts yet, but at least related to online banking, so companies try to be prepared for the future. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 00:07:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC38674586 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: from mail-01.thismonkey.com (mail-01.thismonkey.com [IPv6:2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thismonkey.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GShxl5HVdz4TjQ for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: from mailhub-01.thismonkey.com (mailhub-01.thismonkey.com [IPv6:2406:3400:35e:6601:0:0:a01:11e]) by mail-01.thismonkey.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 16J07cMN091258; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:07:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) X-TM-Via-MX: mailhub-01.thismonkey.com Received: from utility-01.thismonkey.com (utility-01.thismonkey.com [IPv6:2406:3400:35e:6601:0:0:a01:120]) by mailhub-01.thismonkey.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 16J07cfY088500 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:07:38 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: from utility-01.thismonkey.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by utility-01.thismonkey.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 16J07crA021560; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:07:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by utility-01.thismonkey.com (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 16J07bVS021466; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:07:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:07:36 +1000 From: Scott To: Mel Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Specifying IPv6 off-link for a subnet Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Mel Pilgrim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5ea688b3-79b9-8a28-0430-5a4651207ae0@bluerosetech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ea688b3-79b9-8a28-0430-5a4651207ae0@bluerosetech.com> X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.2 at mail-01.thismonkey.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GShxl5HVdz4TjQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=thismonkey.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com designates 2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.58 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.781]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[thismonkey.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10143, ipnet:2406:3400:340::/42, country:AU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 00:07:59 -0000 On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 07:43:48PM -0700, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > On 2021-07-05 8:45, Scott wrote: > > I have manually configured IPv6 on the interfaces: > > ifconfig_vmx0_ipv6="inet6 xx::yy prefer_source accept_rtadv -autoconf no_radr" > > > > The prefix appears in the prefix list as: > > # ndp -p > > xx::/64 if=vmx0 > > flags=LO vltime=infinity, pltime=infinity, expire=Never, ref=1 > > No advertising router > > > > Here's the received RA: > > 01:26:48.355186 IP6 (class 0xe0, hlim 255, next-header ICMPv6 (58) payload length: 64) fe80::1 > ff02::1: [icmp6 sum ok] ICMP6, router advertisement, length 64 > > hop limit 64, Flags [none], pref high, router lifetime 1800s, reachable time 0ms, retrans timer 0ms > > source link-address option (1), length 8 (1): 00:00:5e:00:02:02 > > mtu option (5), length 8 (1): 9000 > > prefix info option (3), length 32 (4): xx::/64, Flags [none], valid > > time 3600s, pref. time 60s > > > > Note that there is no L flag set, so the prefix is off-link. > > You're misinterpreting what the L flag in a PIO means. > > If set, the L flag indicates the prefix can be used for on-link > determination. But if the L bit is unset, the PIO isn't making any > assertion about the prefix being on-link or off-link. More importantly, > a host must not use a PIO with L=0 to conclude a prefix is off-link. > > IOW, it is correct for a host to do nothing when it receives an RA PIO > with no flags for an already-configured prefix. > Thanks, so for the case of manually addressed devices on a private vLAN/IPPL there must be a way to specify that the configured prefix is not on-Link. From section 5 of https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nordmark-intarea-ippl-00.xml#n-ipv6-over-ippl: "IPv6 Neighbor Discovery RFC4861 can be used to get all the hosts on the link to send all unicast packets except those send to link-local destination addresses to the routers. That is done by setting the L-flag (on-link) to zero for all of the Prefix Information options." How does one achieve this on FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 12:36:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57549656611 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT1Xx4PWvz4k8f for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F0B5C0103 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:10:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= fm3; bh=oOO08DCGoDowXyBmXCkBPE5h1SuwOIJwGBf87Dk4qQk=; b=0SejmwKv LRFzoJvS0abhBlPzoTu2KOrCxC2gou08H9eJ6E6gA2lSIlVPL2MivWq0U8vAAxJX kesyKVOYqMUju/NylUYO4fnNNaapTIsaoG5VbRW9/nVRE760AInN9Wl5qQ9DznXB c7Q0r0yZm65lBg/25kgTfGxeRNSm69OIF2xf4dxX67hjHJbwaqebU9QgvsOR8X7q 3iTMD3mPSSmAxpwqfPrzxI2vAsinRupecDEpRRlCVVlOxnsrePdhoQM88tft1ZF/ 6kld/U+cQNUoHfeVMGIQmFcOg93Co8pienAfhXxwq+9SiAuOmAAUDAgDPVZG7SWW Ajr0wptjtyiERw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=oOO08DCGoDowXyBmXCkBPE5h1SuwO IJwGBf87Dk4qQk=; b=LFc6/P/xIoJU9tC/MRigltGtK11nhOioTRaQtymeviAYF YHmnJAYhrcGR4i/eJ+YKYkKr9cFZgK5vdNipd+lGt8EwYkpKfW3rlJyKutn2EL39 rMj/hxHdWWCrUQDGg5N530kHHmQxZn70O6NVbDVnXsLMM0PUUDTIsvZpUX9Ir22T AVprOO3yrJoEeQ/mkGu8kbLt1FHRiyrBFrIx850PtiK8n54CC+LD86x/i9InczXb zai3zKrfd5DfgzuBODgtfk4awWV5jMx6ywNKa2Kel5XpSoueg8iI+qRPi6Kx2JJU FW3JsxJZ2jNc1takVueYMygD6p21r2tpg/LHOzb7Q== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrfedtgdegkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfggtggusehgtderredttd dvnecuhfhrohhmpehtvggthhdqlhhishhtshcuoehtvggthhdqlhhishhtshesiiihgihs thdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkeelheefgfdvtefgfeelgfdvkeeuveevke fgtdegveehuefgkeevieejlefggeegnecuffhomhgrihhnpehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhg necuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthgvtg hhqdhlihhsthhsseiihiigshhtrdhnvght X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:09:55 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: how often do the pkg machines run? 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The build I'm referring to is amd64 "latest". I mean, how often does it refresh? 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RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::229:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::229:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:49:34 -0000 I noticed updating through binaries, on 12x as of now that it takes me to patch 7 vs through source it where it=E2=80=99s patching me up to p9. My qu= estion is, when I update through source am I technically getting the newer patches ? or patched 2 months longer through source vs binaries? Also. I noticed that my revision doesn=E2=80=99t match the revision number on what was down= loaded with svn and make world, is this normal?-- -=3DND=3D- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 13:04:44 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC58656CE1 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT2B24SP1z4pHP for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626699883; x=1629291883; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=fcXUJT4w1kLnb3PINlFPWsvet66sMs8mBp6ALAeA4Wo=; b=AwXm+jDiWv9ro/kNfqvVz7JfdXoMHYBjbt9bahOMGtupPik2iEXsHd8uo0GT1xmX4FBNHKgj+J26MUex5xbe3SMUTTqp3122LgLBeCWkB0y/xQp8yv3IHFeu58H3lTr5gXNyNvWAGhp2WbIiXWSUueV8VoPeChVtQ0X2ofr/M98= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDk5NzUyZDkuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:04:36 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:04:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Swk-00029A-BV; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:04:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:04:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Nathaniel Nigro Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Binary vs source Message-Id: <20210719140433.9f8394f0b55e03554c52fe28@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GT2B24SP1z4pHP X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=AwXm+jDi; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d200099752d9.554debd7acdb25c87931003f3fc25a29@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:04:44 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:49:21 -0400 Nathaniel Nigro wrote: > I noticed updating through binaries, on 12x as of now that it takes me to > patch 7 vs through source it where it’s patching me up to p9. My question The kernel is at patch 7, but userland is at patch 9 - which simply means that the latest two patches did not affect the kernel. To see both kernel and userland versions currently installed use: freebsd-version -ku > is, when I update through source am I technically getting the newer > patches ? or patched 2 months longer through source vs binaries? Also. I No it's just that binary upgrades that don't include the kernel don't bump the kernel version but if you rebuild the kernel after a source upgrade it will even though nothing else has changed in the kernel. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 13:18:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057FA656DD8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathaniel.nigro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com (mail-lf1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT2VF723Mz4rC9 for ; 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Every binary patch will update the userland version but only binary patches that change the kernel will update the kernel version. Building from source and installing always updates both versions. Either way you wind up with the same kernel and userland, but in the source upgrade the kernel picks up the version bump whether or not it is otherwise changed. IOW kernel versions p7, p8 and p9 are identical apart from the version number so a binary upgrade doesn't bother changing it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 14:21:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D6C658301 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:21:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x631.google.com (mail-ej1-x631.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::631]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT3v14LZsz3Jm5 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x631.google.com with SMTP id hc15so29013996ejc.4 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:21:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EhALq45OnQWP1IULFyQLt8fWcrj5+nNvswFhtQHJv0g=; b=17GHqJn2oSowpKVEOUbWF/O1iwLuj+sJM1bhLzxyJceAUfINRBaPafRILEeU9vsJ7O UzjiDl9+vM4tcDEXuLuZt9jwQ6Mbc0TSuyxEMERBN8LfDetfZecOwMjdRQrhVBNm6zbq sTqblDlSHHHYifxeTvCMP7eL5cq9FbvUIj4+XlUgY+TUqh4tGLNOl9k1/ukeDi1Lh9CC qu55ar4jegp2FaaIKwCEje6JA6YDq2DtNQIm4JMRclqIkI7bVv868NnNJ/o8kAhVX1cd pYi0XQ3wIC7zmrd43eJruqaDgrHqfMFc9cax3mScBzuDJoe1QppLphPX/TnPEcrpY1eZ WswQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EhALq45OnQWP1IULFyQLt8fWcrj5+nNvswFhtQHJv0g=; b=kSOA0ypD5ldYbYZVn1SeAxfRWJZ5iliLf0UdSKN/jMUWb5YdAiY/w4lq/CAE2qiIT0 K0vuy3AkRoPlA4YaoY0G0rPnxgumYbQujymOmaXs6pCMDzaZjRLOj2MY2nHTC/uDbXKp ZLNF9PuHX24mh8cHwzrBD0kvz2ex0yd86GVyIC4ew8t4lYbv5ywJXpXtIeQhRshwJ+LU B1kKVSBWCFH+7ocA4Rx7jTJzcHDghTs1Jxt8VQcB1t9uIzKnsWe2Gmx6eEmCljIr+oOY Xj4yLOrYdNS/UQcRx45QJSA9mIuFZZlfzIqaruSg9Y9BPNn1QaJXs+CqAujq2m31WeOm Z0Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533D9j4c7CnCvseVDPWoRcTlkTOoL3fXfqZIYe0qkmqdD8ilVQM/ shWD2jNWUVU3exW8gPM9ZPRdEhQ7e4rnHaE/aRASIg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx5KENHKmQAP3aCOZEQDyx2jX+e4ccq7aFvMBdmEv433ceybDTRELC+NwExlW2uT+aEl6CvKMDXR9xhOGC83K8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:5397:: with SMTP id g23mr27049486ejo.455.1626704508561; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:21:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: ezekiel motta Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GT3v14LZsz3Jm5 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=17GHqJn2; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::631 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:21:50 -0000 On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 6:53 AM ezekiel motta wrote: > Hello FreeBSD Foundation > > Hope you are all doing well. > > > [...] I could install NomadBSD/GhostBSD/, but I would prefer to install FreeBSD > from the people that have developed > FreeBSD. I do not like forks, I think they are a bit parasitical. > > Actually that's not the case at all. Think of FreeBSD as the base from which many other great things can be derived from. For example the macOS you use today, derived originally from FreeBSD as well. You could make the case that Apple is parasitical, but truth be told they do maintain quite a few Open Source projects that eventually find their way back into the community such as CUPS, etc. Oracle is probably a better example of parasitical to Open Source. Anyway, there are great derivatives of FreeBSD that constantly stay updated with the official source of truth which is the FreeBSD project. I do agree with you that I would wish that something like https://elementary.io would be based on FreeBSD and not Linux but that dream has not come true yet. In the meantime, I continue to use macOS on my laptops and desktops and FreeBSD on my servers. -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 18:09:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE26165B92D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT8xK1gjWz4mm6 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id go30so30205294ejc.8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JHCJSDf5Wj1/0fIvDthu6V9jqLADjbYKvzY6fpnEI6M=; b=v3K/S7DdzlJazVqaQ1f19oHlXwbx1Chz7tv9NSN5WoApjA5dB3SBwS6mZ5T779lhtA axFu+5muf+NFLU1MGQKVyZszYGfe2Gy0IbnOg+TMlTVfSfS02LcrKgmf58ButNdbumb4 1VZexeqhlhzPvvoQk+47jB2P1bdYPRdV7xt6HC2V13X6wPOu7OGmBWFzsM0PgXrTjdMT wERMG9R1lL5dg8QgVeph3C5DJp3cbMbh+C7i2uABEW3zTE6zHqGOPF6JKvX6CLcFq1dY FQ/kwzbvHpTMFA6IraoT0YT0uPkGsbtb5kLIwsFcpSsaORiq1Nco2cVMRsCKWfTEaLfe TFaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JHCJSDf5Wj1/0fIvDthu6V9jqLADjbYKvzY6fpnEI6M=; b=pIvH4jA1M6SA1MAchVn5ueBBvFFbTkzuebiomuHmkUY+iVINo2YQyngs+O8nK9CmzY 7J+lKL/Rv4MFmq7IZcPzvmnErnTjhMD+7tjS3O9U7VyJC5qLHNXSB8lbJFL4vV/7uk3y s/cF09gsF19BFp/CXrox15Vd+5OZnBL/2OmOsBHOjyEASskntyfkxyOHtiSi7+mX1f/M fvsKQKGYoc6MV1S7K5wL63HzBgzCd4hUrV3vO6kbm8YF6xcqyR22SEW4DLbcVdW4MYLA picyTQbSEhUg6HURE1ZbUvy6lVRW4kgYRslgx3edF4yHQqUWTtAsEmareKnfgEROh5AC 0wPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532iqhNcRKgnPLjx9f1XApNW843I8jRgOAZJaLe6iGPHwytL7qA/ oBCVqsQ0lxkXs57x6GheuvmtWCvI3AlzYU7tGijleg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwz3rKIwAysd4xIIEOqgwgU6+6sultXmMiAW45iZHeXg/sQU25VntMshLMtgUyZzJ8PEV13TVQcKFnnLVN1ZSA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:3d94:: with SMTP id he20mr28251649ejc.473.1626718147828; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:09:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: ezekiel motta Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GT8xK1gjWz4mm6 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=v3K/S7Dd; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::634 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.844]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::634:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::634:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::634:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:09:09 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:22 PM ezekiel motta wrote: > Precisely. Apple is parasitical, but so is everyone else. Google's use of > Linux, Torvald's use of Unix, Ubuntu's use of Debian, PopOS use of Ubuntu= , > Manjaro's use of Arch, ad infinitum. > There is nothing morally repugnant about it, just as there is nothing > repugnant about the remora's behaviour vis a vis the shark. > I did not mean it as a moralistic comment. > > Parasitical usually means all take and no give back which IMHO is very well represented by Oracle and their CEO actually saying it out aloud: "Larry Ellison: =E2=80=9CIf an Open Source Product Gets Good Enough, We=E2=80=99ll= Simply Take It.=E2=80=9D Most everyone else you mentioned above has given a lot of valu= e to their original projects. For example, Ubuntu has probably given more to Debian than people might realize. E.g. If you have a hardware issue in Debian, you will probably find the answer in an Ubuntu forum or mailing list, and most of the time, these patches make their way back to Debian and/or the Linux kernel. I think derived works and/or forks are more of an ecosystem model than parasitical. There are some notable exceptions, but in general I think that most who fork, will happily give back to their upstream. Back to FreeBSD, IMO the Desktop is definitively not the focus, although there are many hard-core FBSD users who use it as a workstation. The opportunity is there, especially with FBSD's licencing, but I think it requires some financial benefit to make it worthwhile to invest in the arduous process of maintaining workstation type software, and convincing partners to join your cause, for example basic stuff like Skype or Zoom. IIRC iXsystems tried this with TrueOS, I am guessing inspired by their success with FreeNAS, but eventually killed the project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS IMO (and this is not criticism) the core FreeBSD is not really interested in the applications of FreeBSD as such but more to maintain the original and purest possible form of Unix remaining on the planet. That is why I don't see *BSD projects as parasitical at all, but rather focused implementations / applications of FreeBSD. Best, --=20 Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 18:38:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F015365C5DE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT9b05JlHz4stm for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1626719901; x=1629311901; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=xEF1cVH6uQN1y+d5S6/mJdw0amxj4OcII93DCnlTpZA=; b=TCByk9PyWzBqdloFagHSfasdmA1dAdJPKeGys9gHoehiDVJku0Jqy5MUmiKh0PwtWv6ew6kVdyatx2fIt9s9+/9jKOE567buwupfU17e03QUxHI5PrMnibvUp2VyYN/CPnbRmYkxbqjk5QLf560PVlwFvtyOy7fIksfl796DYzU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkMjAwMDlhNjNkZGEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:38:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:38:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Y9e-00038I-HL; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:38:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:38:13 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Alejandro Imass Cc: ezekiel motta , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-Id: <20210719193813.b074f0448ed9635e3b3c53d4@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GT9b05JlHz4stm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=TCByk9Py; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4d20009a63dda.41928a2f753370ad6cdee5819c2b3338@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:38:22 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:08:56 -0400 Alejandro Imass wrote: > Back to FreeBSD, IMO the Desktop is definitively not the focus, although > there are many hard-core FBSD users who use it as a workstation. Quite so, one of the reasons I use FreeBSD is that it makes a far better workstation than anything Sun ever made, as well as good trouble free servers and that's all I ever wanted it to do. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 19:33:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D33B65D2B2 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTBpF3LPsz3L97 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id c17so30527118ejk.13 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SsEUourh28U3iO2b44BBTB+ffmn83bOYwuTVlhQLH8A=; b=f2+iOBTlADPoeaUd9998X46vaBz8tMqXlhM1dgxUrtOXRh/B+lCqvHMt6OS1xlk9la 6CuVPDy4bG6RarQvCckriMKlTGUWgcpm8IqP+SkZZaoG65j/pOEnrx7HDzxVG/GPR8iZ aCh9jcF/hPojx0lFYRrfkdr9+cfYqPwpa+GrjmlVz6rkwDAIMSqEw25KY+FoTUScDNef gGakdJe6ya0MD9RfqwZtvJGHqAY5faiRW72b7Rxr9O+AR7v0ar4ZYIkFH7iLJVYEXJ1v arJ/yuX/ijyOO3LsO81Kms2FTLMXMt7iCgB6c2aBhDEcQDnoo8PLRDPerCPwbJkPWsXa 9LIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SsEUourh28U3iO2b44BBTB+ffmn83bOYwuTVlhQLH8A=; b=JCEr0Pry7nRwexmNcVbhduF2x/xVzvYCOQPEpGNF51LDgpRPgmz9ofH+a2B2LsqBQz 9jno4ngq0yEaJsCVjeD39D9kANrKES3M7GhR3ntIZxz1GMN3SN9VmuK4gjxYFzgfFv36 vaifYN4rKIUoePbIm7Xhlb5c6bh9Sa9BWbZm0JCU44WM2QurG2Q0BNXWG+NZMmW7TbE6 oHFUsOJH1G8GbEd+8B9IsmJUmr3qPl36olWM22aaFoNfwpDjhgKzkrRtrlUjs3ovOrck LwLH8GjKXWHPZiwjxbgfnZgPDbV2EuORbOqc71yqN8CGX0Dn+9qG2021hBxcI8Hz6ewT XcuA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BDEI95ncHbuVPaw6s76rOj5xWeMgVgNsaRiryCoN5YO5I3Qse 5PLJhIf/BojqgV+Or+OfGVdBRVxrLkUsSnL/8HPNXQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzf/jHJpU0lmUOlW1h3Ia2/+noZfjZWYg8lhXHSyWnB/WC53qH9rDCAKpyKT7p0rs2CPc7DAqA2j6E+W/3oyfc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:f2d7:: with SMTP id gz23mr28453965ejb.314.1626723187913; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: ezekiel motta Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTBpF3LPsz3L97 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=f2+iOBTl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.831]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:33:10 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:31 PM ezekiel motta wrote: > I agree, Alejandro. They do contribute to the community. The remora keeps > the shark clean of aquatic bugs > and is a pleasant companion. LOL > It is a symbiosis in an ecosystem. Even Leopards give back to the > community. > Only some/many humans are the exception to this rule. > yeah humans do not give too much back. > I am going to use NomadBSD on hard metal. > Looks bad ass, didn't even know it existed. I'm going to try it out on some old laptops and see. > Maybe I should not have used the word parasitical. > The very fact that they make DE's for FreeBSD is a great contribution. > Had they not made the contribution, I would not use FreeBSD. > I really did not mean to offend anybody. > None taken. Just a purely philosophical discussion. It's like when Jordan Peterson uses the word "Monster". I perfectly understand what he's saying but a lot of people don't. > As I said, my pref is purely technical. > > +1 here. > This is an interesting case that shows how copyright actually distorts > matters. > Imagine I create a DE for FreeBSD and call it AlphaX > On distrowatch it would say: AlphaX is based on FreeBSD despite the fact > that AlphaX's code would be 97% FreeBSD and 3% my code. > In reality, my DE would be an addition to FreeBSD. A meagre, minimal, > addition. > Hence, saying AlphaX is based on FreeBSD does not quite capture it. > It should be called FreeBSD/AlphaX DE > I don't agree and I didn't agree with RMS when he insisted people call Linux GNU/Linux. > However, since I can not use the name FreeBSD (for legal reasons) I can > not be honest. > I would have to call it AlphaX and say that it is based on FreeBSD when, > in reality, it is > FreeBSD with my meagre addition. > > So long as it expands the user base and extends the reach of an Open Source project I think is all good. > Imagine I take a Peugeot 205 rally car, change the inside, change the > instrumentation and call it ZeeMobile. > See what I am getting at? > > yeah perhaps. Especially if you don't give full credit to the original project. > Well, apologies for the use of the word parasitical. > > LOL, no issue here. > I am just someone who is interested in technology. > Greetings everyone, > Kind regards and thanks to the FreeBSD Foundation. > I really like the manner in which the Foundation combines two venerable > principles: democracy and aristocracy. > Z > > > Yeah. FBSD is probably the great last bastion of simple and true and powerful tech. > >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 19:40:45 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5280365D3FE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from echo.brtsvcs.net (echo.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:f740:c::4ae]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTBz02Grwz3M1S for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2602:41:642b:600::6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "chombo.houseloki.net", Issuer "brtsvcs.net CA" (verified OK)) by echo.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C95CA38D62 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2602:41:642b:630:8c73:b617:8e8e:d5ff] (unknown [IPv6:2602:41:642b:630:8c73:b617:8e8e:d5ff]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28EFB4653 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Specifying IPv6 off-link for a subnet To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5ea688b3-79b9-8a28-0430-5a4651207ae0@bluerosetech.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mel Pilgrim Message-ID: <010afd33-d7e5-b8b5-229e-823aa007a045@bluerosetech.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:40:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTBz02Grwz3M1S X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com designates 2607:f740:c::4ae as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f740:c::4ae:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f740:c::4ae:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bluerosetech.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:f740:c::/48, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:40:45 -0000 On 2021-07-18 17:07, Scott wrote: > On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 07:43:48PM -0700, Mel Pilgrim wrote: >> On 2021-07-05 8:45, Scott wrote: >>> I have manually configured IPv6 on the interfaces: >>> ifconfig_vmx0_ipv6="inet6 xx::yy prefer_source accept_rtadv -autoconf no_radr" [...] >>> Here's the received RA: [...] >>> prefix info option (3), length 32 (4): xx::/64, Flags [none], valid >>> time 3600s, pref. time 60s >>> >>> Note that there is no L flag set, so the prefix is off-link. >> >> If set, the L flag indicates the prefix can be used for on-link >> determination. But if the L bit is unset, the PIO isn't making any >> assertion about the prefix being on-link or off-link. More importantly, >> a host must not use a PIO with L=0 to conclude a prefix is off-link. >> >> IOW, it is correct for a host to do nothing when it receives an RA PIO >> with no flags for an already-configured prefix. > > so for the case of manually addressed devices on a private vLAN/IPPL there > must be a way to specify that the configured prefix is not on-Link. Yes, by not configuring that prefix. Numbering vmx0 into xx::/64 made xx::/64 on-link by definition. This seems like too intuitive of an answer, though. Can you step back and explain what you need to do at a higher level? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 19:59:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4D65D894 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from dd39600.kasserver.com (dd39600.kasserver.com [85.13.155.197]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTCNz24dwz3Pfp for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@simonhoffmann.net) Received: from uhura.hoffmann.computer (ipb21bec3f.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.27.236.63]) by dd39600.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3A3022A07AE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:59:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=simonhoffmann.net; s=dkim1; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Subject: To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lYV9giLmMLI87BdTAC9wQlucpNBF/mL8MeE2NkU/9RM=; b=PGvBhbHVSWSlO5JiSFIzOQHm6A S5UF86M3Hl2094Yd8mxDphnYYGK2jCD93XFd5rHVwWDkOJQ7z9qqEhr4FDnFQUrLtQQcOf27LQo4S kfshJxUdnqBlEfmR+/CmMgtclVBBO9xg3yX4peSxm6StmWuTqOSvYQE2uw8y2aARX8VsZcuI6CFRC HnhveK8d/SZAznx122cEffFOiQx8QELa7obpH7JRfygYjEWe5b1SWBL62Gr1ORIGF4951Kiz387gZ nVTV0vJOV/X69DmZKpM92W7t9qVYx+vR64PNf3JIkC5R2H+RHmqfQfEZM+6cLhAyxrGkip7r+JNu9 T4KBsHTw==; Received: from [192.168.170.81] (port=37908 helo=admin02.HOFF.local) by uhura.hoffmann.computer with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5ZQU-00029o-1P; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:59:42 +0200 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F15.60F5D9AE.003C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:59:41 +0200 From: Simon Hoffmann To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Samba on FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <20210719195941.GA309661@admin02.HOFF.local> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline x-sophos-spx-encrypt: 0 abuse: abuse@hoffmann.computer X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTCNz24dwz3Pfp X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=simonhoffmann.net header.s=dkim1 header.b=PGvBhbHV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=simonhoffmann.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@simonhoffmann.net designates 85.13.155.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@simonhoffmann.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:w012befb.kasserver.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[simonhoffmann.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[simonhoffmann.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34788, ipnet:85.13.155.0/24, country:DE]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.27.236.63:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.941]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[simonhoffmann.net:s=dkim1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.13.155.197:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:59:48 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey guys! Did I miss something or is samba now only available through the net/samba413 port and no longer as a binary through pkg? I read that the samba411 binary was deprecated, but I cannot seem to find a new binary. Thanks! 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A picture is worth a thousand words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic-core_memory#/media/File:8_bytes_vs._8Gbytes.jpg Not everything new for-profit produced by big companies is less good, than last bastions of whatsoever. 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Now that is a philosopher LOL > > I'll check it out. > technology is a social phenomenon. > an OS that can only be easily used by hard-core users is not a free syste= m > price of admission: fluency, knowledge > it is like asking a kid to become an electrician befores he uses > electricity > > Correct. > let me tell you a story about Johnny, the tech ignoramus > he knew nothing about tech > >> >>>> I think we all started as Johnny Tech. In my case I got a VIC20 for my 9th birthday and when you'd turn it on it wouldn't do shit unless you typed some BASIC code. But it came with an awesome little book that any kid that could read English could start messing with the VIC right away. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 21:37:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE36F65F0AD for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com (mail-ed1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTFYT64y9z4Syq for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id ca14so25984160edb.2 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cWSUnowrZmJDYI4gEvc45tBMrGAODDa/EN5l7W8D61U=; b=F30TuCnBSs9OrA/Rcxg/d0eRNJx07Ni4ODIgWlpYyv2xqPKVS47IyWfHx2sp1XjVbE C5HohRZ0SOkC2oIgp9s9nbMiK2Kf1bMzDaxR+A2vWA087zxzDCS13EIYL3O2aROhjwaX cZ8xYHCpK7EId84l8gVuYo6+PAUvcC8bnXU+N1GaSUgYu48RIpJeBxEj2DkzZd1L4ASb FJETi5RDxtZSRcpOscBMZC+gjV0hGIu4V62nzC9YiwWNszZQEudgBkspsk26k0pyonV8 4AWK75UpiaxHK0zSeO4fW5TyQa4x+pS2A9WSYJd5wcCjGqGPwt6HV9/611Xc15A6xHoM LOvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cWSUnowrZmJDYI4gEvc45tBMrGAODDa/EN5l7W8D61U=; b=jBuxnLM8Df/dLMgO7oBLW6AAm0uuYo+nRqYm4dLvjdZDUYOdl8DRa2vY034gjP+ncL y95iSUitjVHIxP5FbCKxMZlkESgvHH+Q1XELHSJo5fcNDnspFV+P08gDyPKcQqI8cmWj omqYHbg8iFrNdj/HW4/RneXbPTiV78OYcv+QvZAlaWx0NMurQk97T1qJOVasb0yPUIQ8 YtRfQAbSSFhSGH9qFLMxX6rzLrqiJEqdCkTF6MVp26HuXRRorjycy9kbntz0D2hMqll3 lopahJHOykSWTbJnXzJs8ZMKlzyy2ZfQ795IejJqAlgyDhvpG59wLCB45UqVP5PB/Vwf QUWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531wd0mDH9ImpYRcM1KjGkcFDsVjjprpgevl+yl7iKDzP7SCX9eY YiXaGKLjteZPIt7XSDd7hfM6A+RJdsdyC+gFGlW3kA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx91MvHR92tfnifmplrdXxrQWKWD9+oUEVceGRE7hFL+tctb0mQeDxXulDq84fzXciql/tFIFU+bo0LxI23bG8= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fa94:: with SMTP id w20mr36962823edr.275.1626730636499; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:37:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210719230817.4b316339@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210719230817.4b316339@archlinux> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTFYT64y9z4Syq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=F30TuCnB; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::533 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::533:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::533:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.910]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::533:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:37:18 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 5:08 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:32:57 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: > >FBSD is probably the great last bastion of simple and true and > >powerful tech. > > A picture is worth a thousand words. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic-core_memory#/media/File:8_bytes_vs._8Gbytes.jpg > > Not everything new for-profit produced by big companies is less good, > than last bastions of whatsoever. > > Very true. Nonetheless, when It write that I was thinking of FBSD on bare metal with Jails versus the status quo of something like a JVM running on a Linux, running on a Docker, running on a VM, running over XEN, running over Linux which is your typical crap you see people doing in AWS these days. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 22:16:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8E565FCBB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTGQg6Vsmz4dGQ for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id q16so32787943lfa.5 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6BKusptZKkxcMX7n0GGIac1zbiLpnXH6wf4wn+boNnw=; b=FlSvCKrwb4mH1j6af/OWlLfZyRXg3Lqdndn+KIstrW7TISVCTnx6WQmun0U0zizYW9 Lfv9junqCkWIjNyxXZL9G2DvmOP8e32tFVZZccuILoXQyFZfkmj4cO/7MXOgRLI03vh9 zkwoBRfIlVV1Z6o2YeDodi+CkXEMUD+3aY/QkcqcCVQf/LCpOvKUGK6S9puHgp6c8bKl J9oRYVZHVJx00KfItWesnFo4jFEK1/Al2YbOlWXY+yH9qjIrv/SbGc46cEXtbXCKaQ1A 7FKK0UGcTxJ65WcNyLDdH47X+oCTY8t5OOTKFDqSrOQojnQF/sdoYsFTaSBf5nQLEjvn 1GdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=6BKusptZKkxcMX7n0GGIac1zbiLpnXH6wf4wn+boNnw=; b=duq3tDbOMvHul2om1aUSvtQs6M9Hy9NRL//bR/klS+34HxyaTyukE53TL7PNpAh6T7 vFdhz5ExBZILqU3Optb6OJaUeozqgwQXE9nqBWAHldxUfz78veCeHLbNbxm/ZSxZBqnT MajJD5Q33DkD0h39BCRMPKUXRzB5rV09q/TyAhXqmferxSLfLKw7REQ2sdilfBMZa+Se lbEBmY3Now9iW8aRDcqiPdOvAUdQGDO5xyjSPmLzAxfVV+hs4GlzkM61RIlBZ9aJdCLd PfltzSmllh3S5Fewo8JwRkrTMXBtXsU4wiexwt2n5BsrjqR0m9uuFaOp76icqcL06xOu C82A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532wkGNwywVnHFQHy4gY/nUmSR9EXp208z9nSC648IGApDK/t0cU RuoM+V2PphO63L9jgP1QqV+LpWETRz5efX2n7mC+cN+B62EjAw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtjWHxELbn8Zmh790UcaxDL1qC5JHDAXlg2y2XE6zoqiakz6lAwiyhqOgN3oHTO11RV2CX3vUd1+Ghljj9U4A= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:52a8:: with SMTP id r8mr19177394lfm.475.1626732985819; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:16:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210719230817.4b316339@archlinux> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:15:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTGQg6Vsmz4dGQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=FlSvCKrw; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::12d) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.604]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.807]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12d:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 22:16:29 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:37 PM Alejandro Imass wrote= : Very true. Nonetheless, when It write that I was thinking of FBSD on bare > metal with Jails versus the status quo of something like a JVM running on= a > Linux, running on a Docker, running on a VM, running over XEN, running ov= er > Linux which is your typical crap you see people doing in AWS these days. > The multiple levels of abstraction and virtualization are indeed absurd. I have run FreeBSD in AWS for a decade, and now run a lot on arm64 / graviton instances. It's a little harder, since arm is not a "first class" platform (no freebsd-update, etc.), but well worth it. Better, faster, and cheaper. BTW, I've been using FreeBSD since 2.2.1, but I have yet to be convinced that there is an orchestration framework for jails that is as mature and useful as the numerous ones for Linux. 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I'd be happy to be educated. > > I've been using EzJail since FBSD 7 but we are re-evaluating iocage and bastillebsd. IIRC I've written at least 2 emails trying to provoke that conversation here on this list but I guess there is no interest in the containerization space for FBSD. I wish there was an alternative for FBSD + Jails on bare metal that would replace Docker workflows. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 00:04:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D9B661164 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTJpm3kGHz3FrX for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id r11so24014947wro.9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UHJZ37pUCcn+K5Mjsg0EnmvvVT79PfP+ONwYqCXdlE4=; b=UYGBSPO93JpIKxvs/nIR8i7u3KRaCyjVfi2kvY7fvn1vh4FLzFVZd6fbvONWnNJwAY kWwoo0jg6X74zeoz/pyozjP1/Ex2Zb9LFys6kuX6RGdW6KrTZErJ7Hbf+eLr1tN+CXpt fuMvGOmYLncDKvZDF2BI0FMMEJ89Vt1Cl0mfNE+WKhpHx3WbKgVJk8MjDzTWeScstZ7i XZAG14W75WNNqXAQ57/N0VZ0Y5CyOAelwzK/Yb4+hOaVoSLcMXh0hEuTsmvIx5diYef3 sqxzEWvacGckJzYJ3SRQuW5LSF2WlIlixaubTCKX2HYkXrldy4cU9HxCpcYKk1KNMnP0 GMdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=UHJZ37pUCcn+K5Mjsg0EnmvvVT79PfP+ONwYqCXdlE4=; b=IOcR6p6AxQswEMhL6O8Qk4ok4hXPH29TzRNrP8vnonBV4fHpxASVLAXhUiUPgt+vBM xLME82tWSHoNwnFZEd2pu1Zrw4WwBO43Uk2RmI2vYBACoTj3n3i/2tkmxa+fFI82KA7X Kfi/t1TVLvDq1sYQcEh38NEPOLVIqC8U730QZUjhovGG73UBeX5nITTM25rX2tCmXBAz C69dHtbd8HhdvT9lqD7YHjRQA84NNwOPsTXUP/OTdsCU0IhYwFhnvLrGZGZprPJme07B UKG9HgbWFA7PGJrgnnHfA05guNkjDB2gDMixB3t1GA1VfvA5kLvDA/6nwc72dRT5qEjz JnlA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533+320bN1XeUiNjjLWxF6JP69x5uUfdlQCFHBTV9IFN/18Nna60 apRMoiQi6oK6djje4EpQwKelHvSw8n6yHPRuDd/g9X9xIHrDSg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxhiX8Q9SCRiMltKIXj0V54wWZzS0sWfaY7BLczd+5GuQfud3fjLPchxp+OoVsQLBUjG/skMxFMeR0/RJ/Bw3A= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4527:: with SMTP id j7mr32258701wra.137.1626739438739; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how often do the pkg machines run? To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTJpm3kGHz3FrX X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=UYGBSPO9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.70 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[zyxst.net:email]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.999]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 00:04:01 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 5:36 AM tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > How often do the machines that make compiled packages build? The build > I'm referring to is amd64 "latest". I mean, how often does it refresh? > > I'm asking because I have my poudriere configured to get some large ports > via binary packages (things like rust for example) and was surprised to > see it compiling from source, as if latest rust was unavailable on > pkg.freebsd.org. > > thanks, > -- > J. > Package builds start at 01:00 UTC on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday IF the previous run has completed. Since a full rebuild of all packages takes several days, it is hard to say when they will actually start. I can say that at the start of each quarter there seems to be a full rebuild (31,000 or so ports). Why? No idea but they took over 64 hours to complete, so between two and three days. Occasionally, a build is so small that it takes under a day, but the last 15 stable/13 builds took less than 24 hours only twice with one completing in just over 7 hours. Also, you have to allow for the time to takes to distribute the updated packages. A very large build can take days to distribute as all mirrors must have confirmed "good" copies before they go live on any mirror. It would cause immense confusion if all mirrors did not have the same packages. Since some places still have painfully slow connections that are subject to interruptions, it takes WAY longer than most people would expect. Of course, it's highly inconsistent. The 7 hour build was also the last one and I was available in just a few hours. Since you mention rust, it is takes took 5:45 to build for 13-stable, but a version bump also will rebuild rust cross-compilers for all supported platforms (5) as well as building bootstraps for them. Of course, ports requiring rust also need building (e.g. firefox). As a result, a bump in rust will always result in a pretty long build. All time are for 13-stable. Not all build machines are equal and I know that 12-stable builds more slowly. Some are significantly slower. For more than you ever wanted to wanted to know about build times, check out pkg-status.freebsd.org. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:05:28 -0000 Any idea what might be causing this: Source checkout out to here - * fb2feceac34 - (HEAD -> stable/13, origin/stable/13) fsck_ffs: fix background fsck in preen mode (19 hours ago) * a54e547950f - arm: replace byte-by-byte memcmp with an already existing asm variant (27 hours ago) * c5fa78d35d7 - rtwn: make sure to not write in upper bits of txdseq (30 hours ago) Produces this error on build - --- bt_open.po --- cc -target x86_64-unknown-freebsd13.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp -B/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/bin -pg -O2 -pipe -fno-common -DNO__SCCSID -DNO__RCSID -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/include -I/usr/13-stable/include -I/usr/13-stable/lib/li bc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/gdtoa -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/libc-vis -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/13-stabl e/amd64.amd64/lib/libc -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libmd -I/usr/13-stable/contr ib/jemalloc/include -DMALLOC_PRODUCTION -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/13-stable/lib/l ibc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/rpc -DWANT_HYPERV -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -g -MD -MF.depend.bt_open.po -MTbt_open.po -std=gnu99 -Wno-format-zero-length -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-fo rmat-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-empty-body -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-tautological-compare -Wno-unused-value -Wno-parentheses-equality -Wno-unused-function -Wno-enum-conversion -Wno-unused-local-typedef -Wno-address-of-packed-m ember -Wno-switch -Wno-switch-enum -Wno-knr-promoted-parameter -Qunused-arguments -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libutil -I/usr/13-stable/lib/ msun/amd64 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/x86 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/src -c /usr/13-stable/lib/libc/db/btree/bt_open.c -o bt_open.po make[1]: stopped in /usr/13-stable make: stopped in /usr/13-stable TIA, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 14:20:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F7B66CB3E for ; 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dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=thismonkey.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com designates 2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-lists-5@thismonkey.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2406:3400:35e:6602::a01:232:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[thismonkey.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10143, ipnet:2406:3400:340::/42, country:AU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:20:43 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 12:40:35PM -0700, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > On 2021-07-18 17:07, Scott wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 07:43:48PM -0700, Mel Pilgrim wrote: > >> On 2021-07-05 8:45, Scott wrote: > >>> I have manually configured IPv6 on the interfaces: > >>> ifconfig_vmx0_ipv6="inet6 xx::yy prefer_source accept_rtadv -autoconf no_radr" > [...] > >>> Here's the received RA: > [...] > >>> prefix info option (3), length 32 (4): xx::/64, Flags [none], valid > >>> time 3600s, pref. time 60s > >>> > >>> Note that there is no L flag set, so the prefix is off-link. > >> > >> If set, the L flag indicates the prefix can be used for on-link > >> determination. But if the L bit is unset, the PIO isn't making any > >> assertion about the prefix being on-link or off-link. More importantly, > >> a host must not use a PIO with L=0 to conclude a prefix is off-link. > >> > >> IOW, it is correct for a host to do nothing when it receives an RA PIO > >> with no flags for an already-configured prefix. > > > > so for the case of manually addressed devices on a private vLAN/IPPL there > > must be a way to specify that the configured prefix is not on-Link. > > Yes, by not configuring that prefix. Numbering vmx0 into xx::/64 made > xx::/64 on-link by definition. > > This seems like too intuitive of an answer, though. Can you step back > and explain what you need to do at a higher level? > My need is pretty simple: to have FreeBSD servers with an IPv6 stack operating correctly on a private vLAN (IPPL). Specifically an isolated private vLAN. In IPv6 (as I understand it), this should be done by specifying that the prefix/subnet of the configured address is not on-link, and therefore should *always* use the router as the next hop. (Similar to an NBMA network). I have this working for IPv4 - which uses different mechanisms such as local proxy ARP on the router (such mechanisms do no apply to v6). Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 19 18:31:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6048165C39D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ezekielmotta017@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com (mail-yb1-xb30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GT9RP514hz4s3R for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ezekielmotta017@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id p22so29252760yba.7 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=U+TgFvMHdFScDxEs33lf6wox8GV+Z8VpmkUgnaSY7tI=; b=j6+8W/JBtrES/CMiI/CQ1vlr1FgdK2e6ie7Cc7d3TBm1n9O/zO57F49UDtIChEyerB +cz/8rE1QGa/isxlV/f9+9GE9akL2S66Hg12+21eIB394K+nX1Cv+/g2g9T9isuznTO4 9Ea2PDZ9jQiZ/rt8TP46jDkanYynP+PKwUnFQCQoptXjQqSqfVwSpJAmt5WrmqgkI6fw 6D7CRqeo8CJxkfjdzV8OdFJZuBPQR8NNA2y9w1uwaLEAoY4UtKufEQ9l78AiEYjzSZWU U9SW0iEURG70f1N/nPOgbk4Y6neXPL0ZPYkZ75I8SuQbr+TrtnwVQlUjmG+QOTchLyZO PpRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=U+TgFvMHdFScDxEs33lf6wox8GV+Z8VpmkUgnaSY7tI=; b=dYIo2dDW+/blLl6mSXjORyl4e+kfjqdFf7DBq/z91iHav2pfM2TKlnIsMFQ6bxJ3RN wX/Fi/q28nHNdDqgLP91kAP5zDQB6M4tsdKGzMk8o2rhcfWfl6SxPqb7llUlL9Fpub/+ 4I6e/W4jWznD5I9N1KCfz4k82TiKKgBNMlVX+GpT9kq7qi7kbgyH1NOt30zJmYvKe99P NqPHa0t9l4emF+WM/jChsI0j6W9KPEe9zZNs+hquATKBf6yKO4CZ8vYE9e7BMgg0Xfg0 3Wv7esg9L07NqRgsKgX8uzLM9FlP3/ern0CjV5zfu9ch1NxuDR2LUhs0lNzQk32lG5as +N8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531LuiNXzyyin84qBPnp5PfCWKHQkQtVS8y4k+pp34zUJCPK4LvR 6EI1Ux69Jvt8VaHveIuQDT1CaYZZBIrEH6T7Vhoq3Xv4rp8rQg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzmSOyz6fXytVWBVXc2/OiB2Ypdz51gkmQd3OQ1JkVuQuI0dIS9ROo3Z+H+JZP3RT1X9nltVoxyFUqfDUN8yR0= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7647:: with SMTP id r68mr33091494ybc.432.1626719504334; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: ezekiel motta Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:31:33 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: Alejandro Imass Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GT9RP514hz4s3R X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=j6+8W/JB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ezekielmotta017@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ezekielmotta017@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.05 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.976]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:36:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:31:46 -0000 I agree, Alejandro. They do contribute to the community. The remora keeps the shark clean of aquatic bugs and is a pleasant companion. LOL It is a symbiosis in an ecosystem. Even Leopards give back to the community= . Only some/many humans are the exception to this rule. I am going to use NomadBSD on hard metal. Maybe I should not have used the word parasitical. The very fact that they make DE's for FreeBSD is a great contribution. Had they not made the contribution, I would not use FreeBSD. I really did not mean to offend anybody. As I said, my pref is purely technical. This is an interesting case that shows how copyright actually distorts matters. Imagine I create a DE for FreeBSD and call it AlphaX On distrowatch it would say: AlphaX is based on FreeBSD despite the fact that AlphaX's code would be 97% FreeBSD and 3% my code. In reality, my DE would be an addition to FreeBSD. A meagre, minimal, addition. Hence, saying AlphaX is based on FreeBSD does not quite capture it. It should be called FreeBSD/AlphaX DE However, since I can not use the name FreeBSD (for legal reasons) I can not be honest. I would have to call it AlphaX and say that it is based on FreeBSD when, in reality, it is FreeBSD with my meagre addition. Imagine I take a Peugeot 205 rally car, change the inside, change the instrumentation and call it ZeeMobile. See what I am getting at? Well, apologies for the use of the word parasitical. I am just someone who is interested in technology. Greetings everyone, Kind regards and thanks to the FreeBSD Foundation. I really like the manner in which the Foundation combines two venerable principles: democracy and aristocracy. Z On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 6:09 PM Alejandro Imass wrote= : > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:22 PM ezekiel motta > wrote: > >> Precisely. Apple is parasitical, but so is everyone else. Google's use o= f >> Linux, Torvald's use of Unix, Ubuntu's use of Debian, PopOS use of Ubunt= u, >> Manjaro's use of Arch, ad infinitum. >> There is nothing morally repugnant about it, just as there is nothing >> repugnant about the remora's behaviour vis a vis the shark. >> I did not mean it as a moralistic comment. >> >> > Parasitical usually means all take and no give back which IMHO is very > well represented by Oracle and their CEO actually saying it out aloud: > "Larry Ellison: =E2=80=9CIf an Open Source Product Gets Good Enough, We= =E2=80=99ll Simply > Take It.=E2=80=9D Most everyone else you mentioned above has given a lot = of value > to their original projects. For example, Ubuntu has probably given more t= o > Debian than people might realize. E.g. If you have a hardware issue in > Debian, you will probably find the answer in an Ubuntu forum or mailing > list, and most of the time, these patches make their way back to Debian > and/or the Linux kernel. > > I think derived works and/or forks are more of an ecosystem model than > parasitical. There are some notable exceptions, but in general I think th= at > most who fork, will happily give back to their upstream. > > Back to FreeBSD, IMO the Desktop is definitively not the focus, although > there are many hard-core FBSD users who use it as a workstation. > > The opportunity is there, especially with FBSD's licencing, but I think i= t > requires some financial benefit to make it worthwhile to invest in the > arduous process of maintaining workstation type software, and convincing > partners to join your cause, for example basic stuff like Skype or Zoom. > > IIRC iXsystems tried this with TrueOS, I am guessing inspired by their > success with FreeNAS, but eventually killed the project: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS > > IMO (and this is not criticism) the core FreeBSD is not really interested > in the applications of FreeBSD as such but more to maintain the original > and purest possible form of Unix remaining on the planet. That is why I > don't see *BSD projects as parasitical at all, but rather focused > implementations / applications of FreeBSD. > > Best, > > -- > Alejandro Imass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 12:12:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6361C66B840 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rdbodev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com (mail-ej1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTcz94PyNz3kqr for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rdbodev@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id hc15so34009477ejc.4 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 05:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=I5roAn7vW0htCBn1tl86Q4glOHDPRTL94titxDcMkM4=; b=gE7NZGGTVCW30iFLLmSSrOLs17aI+7fQLzqiOJwkE3OWTt/tx2mNE1YzjWY0RsoJ9c rNT7bt+iT+C0nAbR1M4IkHYQAuBBjsclPiFeOEln/tYgq2rFV4md7uFSKUR45jasJrd0 X2MeCSFv7DQSlJd1NjJlaQc6CmwvjNVUWsNVP60shPuQf4djQd5p30vOcsuu9mqdoYPi qigiMPYdYePu6dvZcIQkDV71AkBpcthfSUel3dkOBpR18X3C0JdbWav4UCWzgwnVH0iT dzpYz/EGVvvr+xC+Ot+eoi/H43ds6w3G3CLT5mr7WyQakXebnYdHwHX7DAYQ5tX26fHb sSmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=I5roAn7vW0htCBn1tl86Q4glOHDPRTL94titxDcMkM4=; b=FjHU5hJc7VhnId6j5PELwPt/Rw80NvFOUHseoOMUkC9Okq8NeNv6IGBF0zqmFlHuUv Yho0+c/kEZXlf3PYzfF6orEUbM3HaliNJcJEkMCQuQduuE44XFGeHUVQPPTxMAXIlO/I lJTBy6KJUdhYAcxtTI1N/6mrF9NEyV86vo+MERGBSyUFzTa/wSzy8Vp4vbuektxVfgN3 XVcCD1J9moRT8cOyKIbvEIB2QV8oSRxKqm10z2yWzdBktbzFcXVkYVwguVY5z6t9mrBJ jo3dup5jc+9nDwthVjuv6XHtmOg/FCeTh3LY4zLGh0vKoSYqakUn7M6gJJj1nSZFEo/z PBow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532uKtID6V4sZaaf2qxUU47gfZ5328IRJLyYa32aflRMmPOZDEeX q9sdI9kM6qs3RgZvMNwCCEjfDxF/23qWUnLmz8zoTeP1on8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy/hcJjYZ+ryN6xXeMgZGbSXJ71EMiFMBGpI9xM6KbLTIdqAaSmIIN9/Xl/pVmis99GdgUvPiaKn8/pJsO8Vcg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:3e1f:: with SMTP id hp31mr31848218ejc.55.1626783140040; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 05:12:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rdbo Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:15:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Understanding the behavior of the 32 bit mmap system call To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTcz94PyNz3kqr X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=gE7NZGGT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rdbodev@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::636 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rdbodev@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.13 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::636:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.981]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::636:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.89)[0.890]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::636:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 14:45:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:12:22 -0000 Hi, I'm a hobbyist developer working on a multiplatform, multiarch memory library, and I chose FreeBSD to be one of the supported operating systems. I was playing around with the SYS_mmap system call and I noticed that, for x86_32, you have to pass a struct containing all the mmap arguments, rather than the arguments themselves. The thing is, this structure is not passed as a pointer (like on Linux, for example), so I don't see how one would do this syscall from a remote process, as each register is responsible for one argument of the syscall, and a single register can't store a structure this size. I've tried passing the structure as a pointer, passing each mmap argument in a separate register (like __NR_mmap2 on Linux), looking for alternative mmap system calls that do not require the struct parameter. Unfortunately, these attempts have all failed. TLDR; how to run a 32 bit SYS_mmap system call from a remote process when a single register can't fit the whole structure and the structure is not passed as a pointer? Regards, rdbo From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 15:33:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFD66E536 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTjQx6zX6z4mPZ for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id g22so24443962iom.1 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:33:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LvgCRmceQGL8NtvxxIa5Qdr/N1q7PRPoTDlPaLmpfl0=; b=GPUsB8tgI5XYfcWXk7VB79u20y9q4oJiClFcrMUYKjREEgQ+NvS+p36gkD7UomGb/Z /Z0cjPYzUoA8BKi0jGL0b7rkeCqfNDRFNSzWR2RRWuArgpgaM5Qsk9YP6IL1NMZNctW1 FcZC74oeJ4xWpoVeOHHiOMT5ETJBIaOVczIb4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LvgCRmceQGL8NtvxxIa5Qdr/N1q7PRPoTDlPaLmpfl0=; b=JRz8k/weaQuxM6SYOCbtQlfO+gk0cjx1m0j+T0Aw7psWvkGqPVaQXASEPvTIXHKkGy m1EozUJ5ZFTDwuRKSYxtJ1C00n9/weoC1B7+2PVyBq5yKbhV2MrhV7pXscLZAcjANlW6 5kPwJzN5To8wwefWfa1AWw9fY2Nxg9q0bvFw3v+YeK4LDk60E+R5aX7bWQaLsNN430zZ LYG86OfD9zKIjY330NfCy+TjjSPSGvTQ4MXMnl1MQ1RxFQqKvEb8vEI3RN+6iCK1mpep rHXbECcqi0yPwHUosiL1JJavghyz/rcIEx0s45Zq1a+/UOPwxDNhqLUasUMIt1kanx8N 9xMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533fntbI2rssE+ijuPoBxCKbS7aO8Kd6VEKJJtTaFIyBosY+jao2 +c7iNg9PZyPCcfE9atgpL8timGYg/DKqJzDYdvY0qtc27pCqEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw30bk6jfBNZgvI+MU3y4CTtaxfG410aCfNGnhivJQ1rAYUgjDSkxq4IlNfA+cOtxrQHshLx895S8xeOkyWqjw= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9b14:: with SMTP id y20mr22974981ion.8.1626795193023; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:33:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> <20210718224841.41fceef9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210718224841.41fceef9@archlinux> From: Mario Lobo Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:33:01 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Claws Mail (was: What the hell starts pulseaudio?!) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTjQx6zX6z4mPZ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsd.com.br header.s=capeta header.b=GPUsB8tg; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lobo@bsd.com.br designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lobo@bsd.com.br X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.15 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsd.com.br:s=capeta]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd.com.br]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.72)[0.718]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.922]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsd.com.br:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.990]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:33:15 -0000 On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:49 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:49:55 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: > >This is all really confusing to me. > > In the days before two-factor authentication your mail client needed an > user ID, usually the email address of your account and a password to > connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT servers. > > If two mail clients accessed the same account, they both used the same > password. > > Nowadays your mail client still needs an user ID, usually the email > address of your account and a password to connect with IMAP, POP, SMPT > servers, IOW nothing changed, even the same configureation GUI of e.g. > Evolution or Claws is used. > > New is, that the password now is generated by Yahoo and you need a > password for each mail client, they do not use the same password to > access the same account. > > First, let me thank you for the explanation, Ralf,but I still don't get what I have to do to get claws to work on gmail. What I see is that although the password is saved, it still asks me for the password, and even though I put in the correct one, it fails the login attempt. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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> > Did I miss something or is samba now only available through the net/samba413 port and > no longer as a binary through pkg? I read that the samba411 binary was deprecated, > but I cannot seem to find a new binary. > > Thanks! > > Simon removed. available for FreeBSD:13:amd64 etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 16:12:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F58966EF1E for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTkJl32yYz4yv0 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id k184so33409482ybf.12 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:12:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9n2eDqHAItiXXvg25g6bSbJwghbW7oOF2QaqsMNlDCI=; b=pZLPzdbIMYVv6AzJqzvU3hUdV2c/885o3GkSeNa1wHL5FMO3p+uvxX5PX1fh96hcxC fnglBTV2Eq7TRZDwTxb5ToNX33jrIRZ9SL0bjXVtFUmqh1SOx9cHiUpz+WNt4dO22/X8 vTTkYlxGCC3sbC8k5jSQ88X5Ap21Em9hjn72sPKKEmaLi3mkYKeXu0Ti/nw259ihCApu /rwS49amThe8YRejlXUZa0m1iwk9RtO8rm6J3ID3j2jjXmpfgyXIy3CNOD2cDCg5dI7D xYvbMMCiKPLg9ktE/dFTrt/m8G9nE6Elq+NQLF45IpmILRy1S2IQaKCslV/G0Rk+jy0r 4DPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9n2eDqHAItiXXvg25g6bSbJwghbW7oOF2QaqsMNlDCI=; b=kZucQcWpZhiEeaQfMGhCetzT0czeWx9tw7/0zN2rJmit0twqsOr9DmA3u/bbSq1xaZ dpLcA8WVFEGv3XIvB+o0/Sv+jhjHMTyXKUUWO8JucE8dxmvaZk7hhBjSWUhlqjO4kAoi OnnKu0BGFOdkPTtj/Uabj9GWj/42v2uK1LdMHMHmdmI7J8FZxMvaNLVcF0fDWAJrQrah YssyetIFcNWS95XgdGFV9QSd7fJltOoouNjMMzAkA59yP+hQDfYTwW9l+9LxMrVukrDg 2nfWXlzTzS80dkgi002pYyLK9mVrHE5ElgQXb77JC/jXmt+z1QkxyqFhR0SzjsSJ/UoN 8TmA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532JLi5A+R/Gi3+jcWb08DJR2noWjvfPEXYZr6LWlbwiqs4xS9dw xFE/DNuNVB9VujYLhyYq9mYgQ2T9tL4XJOJhlH8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrgescGES8247nOZ9U1VsG3Eb5yFaESoZNo8O9C/YA5FC3XC/lbVMtM109FIV0SIE44I8M30v3gC+ePdwYErE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:8006:: with SMTP id m6mr39787588ybk.249.1626797574224; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:12:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:12:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What the hell starts pulseaudio?! To: Roderick Cc: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTkJl32yYz4yv0 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pZLPzdbI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.62)[subject]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.74)[-0.745]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.67)[0.672]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:12:56 -0000 On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:20 PM Roderick wrote: > > > I boot, pulseaudio daemon does not run. > > I do xinit that starts twm and xterm, pulseaudio daemon does not run. > > I start firefox, pulseaudio daemon does not run. > > I seer a video with firefox, pulseaudio daemon does not run. > > I browse a littler on text sites, pulseaudio starts. > > Pulse audio was installed as dependency of chrome. I did not start chrome. > > Please, see here: > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/after-upgrading-no-more-audio-in-firefox.81307/ > > I find this behaviour ugly! You can use pacmd(1) to inspect pulseaudio's clients: >>> list-clients 3 client(s) logged in. index: 0 driver: owner module: 14 properties: application.name = "ConsoleKit Session /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1" console-kit.session = "/org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Session1" index: 1 driver: owner module: 9 properties: application.name = "Firefox" native-protocol.peer = "UNIX socket client" native-protocol.version = "34" application.process.id = "1582" application.process.user = "XXXX" application.process.host = "XXXXr" application.process.binary = "firefox" application.language = "C.UTF-8" window.x11.display = "unix:0.0" application.process.machine_id = "XXXXXXX" index: 2 driver: <---- Note, this is pacmd(1) itself. owner module: 19 properties: application.name = "UNIX socket client" HTH > > Rod. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 16:42:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDFD66F71A for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GTkym2T7pz55vq for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 54BCF66F279; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536D566F067 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [94.130.200.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTkyl4VgQz55bm for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 18:40:52 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1626799341; bh=414cQ00RJcnGqviyiagfRzasf4JXQ7gF9FK06IZoIKQ=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c8baHOLOapM9sheSyZ6xlyOi7lSU0AX4mkSQTl15/zimv86QBo81sntz0EpDBULfV A4lMyCQpEsbsiGprC0TbECgmABbmahvKmKwj97fF+TfMtEOI6duNAXoHVo6YZWnS0n ppiZIuIgpDGzI4ebmOZ3loUE3p+K7M3/imJNeoZfAAqbXCSFz21U/BOx0G/NWhuVR5 XWaYkxQNYp3FjM/4FPO6ppDKmLpE37UyMwSHpeJyScvQ7QgFRF5ta96Xm60A7YiJb+ jMhax28/q2WmBaRHRiEL3COzwowPRB0hcZIBgkkaYVy5aSiYBVp1ElVRjiv85LC+YK Uw9MinZsojgUQ== Message-ID: <871r7tszu3.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 13-STABLE Buildworld Failing In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.0 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTkyl4VgQz55bm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=c8baHOLO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 94.130.200.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:94.130.200.20:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[94.130.200.20:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[94.130.200.20:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:94.130.0.0/16, country:DE]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:42:24 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:05:12 +0200, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > > Any idea what might be causing this: > > > Source checkout out to here - > > * fb2feceac34 - (HEAD -> stable/13, origin/stable/13) fsck_ffs: fix background fsck in preen mode (19 hours ago) > * a54e547950f - arm: replace byte-by-byte memcmp with an already existing asm variant (27 hours ago) > * c5fa78d35d7 - rtwn: make sure to not write in upper bits of txdseq (30 hours ago) > > > Produces this error on build - > > > --- bt_open.po --- > cc -target x86_64-unknown-freebsd13.0 --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp -B/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/bin > -pg -O2 -pipe -fno-common -DNO__SCCSID -DNO__RCSID -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/include -I/usr/13-stable/include -I/usr/13-stable/lib/li > bc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/gdtoa -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/libc-vis -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/13-stabl > e/amd64.amd64/lib/libc -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libmd -I/usr/13-stable/contr > ib/jemalloc/include -DMALLOC_PRODUCTION -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/stdtime -I/usr/13-stable/lib/l > ibc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/rpc -DWANT_HYPERV -DYP -DNS_CACHING -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -g -MD > -MF.depend.bt_open.po -MTbt_open.po -std=gnu99 -Wno-format-zero-length -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-fo > rmat-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-empty-body -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-tautological-compare > -Wno-unused-value -Wno-parentheses-equality -Wno-unused-function -Wno-enum-conversion -Wno-unused-local-typedef -Wno-address-of-packed-m > ember -Wno-switch -Wno-switch-enum -Wno-knr-promoted-parameter -Qunused-arguments -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libutil -I/usr/13-stable/lib/ > msun/amd64 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/x86 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/src -c /usr/13-stable/lib/libc/db/btree/bt_open.c -o bt_open.po > > make[1]: stopped in /usr/13-stable > > make: stopped in /usr/13-stable Your e-mail includes no error. Do you build with jobs > 1? Can you show previous lines of the build log? I could build latest stable/13 (0daba7847e2e) for amd64, armv7 and arm64. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 17:14:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4366FC66 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTlgV1kc9z3DJ9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTlgS3VhzzF3Z1 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626801252; bh=gMkOrFfc6oEi+SpUMjEKfOYZO7eab/VYXo8eah8VjEo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aDCHws/SbgTc5mCzuxp5LnLgnSBvmng5oMzu0GzyQ1zs0uZBkZ7lT3lkFzsX57lqb ZlGoRsKIJUFFngi5GIUkzrWyLhZ/ACI0S2puISMLz7XKYZLFzmjoOMEJVNDzkUFNrR P53j1c7nj1BErUkHTO51oCJUzFp4/hcwb5oct+jw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 122B9FC879532D5803BF7BD58ED53F4CA1D7A5C25E0CCE25599B06BFAFFCE65B Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GTlgR6LPTz1yQq for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 19:14:08 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Claws Mail (was: What the hell starts pulseaudio?!) Message-ID: <20210720191409.28f72bb5@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210718134409.5e8d545a@archlinux> <14b675f9-a4fd-608f-719c-b26274fcc2b6@gmail.com> <351c2b55514490582d42e6434d90fefebaaf3eb2.camel@riseup.net> <96e71feb5264b8a9afa42cebcd7f2e6bdaf5c31c.camel@riseup.net> <20210718224841.41fceef9@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTlgV1kc9z3DJ9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=aDCHws/S; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:14:15 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 12:33:01 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: >First, let me thank you for the explanation, Ralf,but I still don't get >what I have to do to get claws to work on gmail. > >What I see is that although the password is saved, it still asks me >for the password, and even though I put in the correct one, it fails >the login attempt. Hi, what password are you using? Did you generate an app password? I'm not using Google Accounts myself, but the procedure is obviously the same as for Yahoo, where I'm using app passwords for Evolution and Claws successfully. "Create & use App Passwords If you use 2-Step-Verification and get a "password incorrect" error when you sign in, you can try to use an App Password. Go to your Google Account. Select Security. Under "Signing in to Google," select App Passwords. You may need to sign in. If you don=E2=80=99t have this option, it might be because: 2-= Step Verification is not set up for your account. 2-Step Verification is only set up for security keys. Your account is through work, school, or other organization. You turned on Advanced Protection. At the bottom, choose Select app and choose the app you using and then Select device and choose the device you=E2=80=99re using and then Generate. Follow the instructions to enter the App Password. The App Password is the 16-character code in the yellow bar on your device. Tap Done." - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=3Den Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 20 20:23:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF129651EEE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x52a.google.com (mail-pg1-x52a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GTqsn0Xhhz4YXf for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id j4so6924602pgk.5 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=o1tuUYVtWNU+MdC4vTAmI9uQLV+uE138PKDI4vCSHq4=; b=jkTU+jeDaOQrRx7pf+OOMKwxdp8MkwrMr7dVvBAbh/L77zzcl4OFaGFTfIpcM6un8m U6Pzm4r9prY6VUQvG8RXXIREmLMZdD82C5cImF2d79jZP1/DUNuD/dXSZJ5na8leykVf 4t74F7xVhllvTPrLzlPBO3nDkyQB/E0IFXwgd+LXsoUwEVMOpzIE4TVJ3ZOfml1r6oRp qLxAvF+F+zAI7LnjcQL/8s3+y2MaF1jZxzIgjbhQEh/WpnU3VIC8Ke+n90uNYQFAVcGT 88L0LpwqtQ15C+WVg2H9UhwtKEpwAvVfNN3iL9TcFr42B0puGbFfSkJtLN1EaZcbK11/ NuRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=o1tuUYVtWNU+MdC4vTAmI9uQLV+uE138PKDI4vCSHq4=; b=K8ViRm9PvfVxD60seX2J1YAZIy/ldp/CoU7GQxoEjfl6bMp2CbvUZxBOySfrq/FcSn fuHDpkoIEiXAaHYUaXy/rxbSjO9pW2dIDByqYcRzXpBvy73suAHiC+m+VAn0fWBeqchQ ICxwJ8WrDXmuWiod3FJcIh54I5kP6WWiR7RFJtELMC+4FDLn3NXBfqrRGzZGLOaLVjAi 6ibdStZbOZtDoOwtlvSMSPDfXLhHRK8+Fohp9Fxpq5mtbDk4JTeXibGa4U/uL9tsqQRE COpwhHpixTDvMEcZFkFxeNQvOGBZsKgaNgxq8FsDIcil9Pn+w5PpV9PBTlgrcUZ+d4Ko ZbQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5322GEHnPUeVBSF7QmNVMIAN+cKeBGt9d/Csy4FgLlG4ljWDK2en 3ukOAMTDaPOXjkcsxbMr9r64zS9NIb+eKdZnyA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRgsv2rjW2H05Bg8HMhIdl2JcCVfOct3BUw0nPQK6FJDB1h3/m7RFuXOG+uDmhNYq4/P/mYyt0YDmSq6mO/DQ= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4b59:: with SMTP id k25mr32373498pgl.252.1626812603318; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:23:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Understanding the behavior of the 32 bit mmap system call To: Rdbo Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTqsn0Xhhz4YXf X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jkTU+jeD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.99 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:23:26 -0000 On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:45 AM Rdbo wrote: > Hi, I'm a hobbyist developer working on a multiplatform, multiarch memory > library, and I chose FreeBSD to be one of the supported operating systems. > I was playing around with the SYS_mmap system call and I noticed that, for > x86_32, you have to pass a struct containing all the mmap arguments, rather > than the arguments themselves. The thing is, this structure is not passed > as a pointer (like on Linux, for example), so I don't see how one would do > this syscall from a remote process, as each register is responsible for one > argument of the syscall, and a single register can't store a structure this > size. I've tried passing the structure as a pointer, passing each mmap > argument in a separate register (like __NR_mmap2 on Linux), looking for > alternative mmap system calls that do not require the struct parameter. > Unfortunately, these attempts have all failed. > TLDR; how to run a 32 bit SYS_mmap system call from a remote process when a > single register can't fit the whole structure and the structure is not > passed as a pointer? > Regards, rdbo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The calling conventions for arguments on 32 bit FreeBSD is to pass those arguments on the stack.[1] I've whipped up the following for you. 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Skuhra" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GTwC3486Nz3Mbw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 23:38:40 -0000 On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 9:42 AM Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:05:12 +0200, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > > > > > Any idea what might be causing this: > > > > > > Source checkout out to here - > > > > * fb2feceac34 - (HEAD -> stable/13, origin/stable/13) fsck_ffs: fix > background fsck in preen mode (19 hours ago) > > * a54e547950f - arm: replace byte-by-byte memcmp with an already > existing asm variant (27 hours ago) > > * c5fa78d35d7 - rtwn: make sure to not write in upper bits of txdseq (30 > hours ago) > > > > > > Produces this error on build - > > > > > > --- bt_open.po --- > > cc -target x86_64-unknown-freebsd13.0 > --sysroot=/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp > -B/usr/obj/usr/13-stable/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/bin > > -pg -O2 -pipe -fno-common -DNO__SCCSID -DNO__RCSID > -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/include -I/usr/13-stable/include > -I/usr/13-stable/lib/li > > bc/amd64 -DNLS -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/gdtoa > -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/libc-vis -DINET6 -I/usr/obj/usr/13-stabl > > e/amd64.amd64/lib/libc -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/resolv -D_ACL_PRIVATE > -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libmd -I/usr/13-stable/contr > > ib/jemalloc/include -DMALLOC_PRODUCTION > -I/usr/13-stable/contrib/tzcode/stdtime -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/stdtime > -I/usr/13-stable/lib/l > > ibc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DPORTMAP -DDES_BUILTIN > -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libc/rpc -DWANT_HYPERV -DYP -DNS_CACHING > -DSYMBOL_VERSIONING -g -MD > > -MF.depend.bt_open.po -MTbt_open.po -std=gnu99 -Wno-format-zero-length > -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-fo > > rmat-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-empty-body > -Wno-string-plus-int -Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-tautological-compare > > -Wno-unused-value -Wno-parentheses-equality -Wno-unused-function > -Wno-enum-conversion -Wno-unused-local-typedef -Wno-address-of-packed-m > > ember -Wno-switch -Wno-switch-enum -Wno-knr-promoted-parameter > -Qunused-arguments -I/usr/13-stable/lib/libutil -I/usr/13-stable/lib/ > > msun/amd64 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/x86 -I/usr/13-stable/lib/msun/src > -c /usr/13-stable/lib/libc/db/btree/bt_open.c -o bt_open.po > > > > make[1]: stopped in /usr/13-stable > > > > make: stopped in /usr/13-stable > > Your e-mail includes no error. Do you build with jobs > 1? Can you > show previous lines of the build log? > > I could build latest stable/13 (0daba7847e2e) for amd64, armv7 and > arm64. > > -- > Herbert Kernel build on stable/13 is known broken due to an updated linuxkpi which is not compatible with drm-fbsd13-kmod. An updated version of the kmod was teerated today, but it is still failing to install. See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=257264 for discussion. This breakage is specific to builds after the linuxkpi update committed on Saturday. 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with ESMTPSA id 19C141563 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Specifying IPv6 off-link for a subnet To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5ea688b3-79b9-8a28-0430-5a4651207ae0@bluerosetech.com> <010afd33-d7e5-b8b5-229e-823aa007a045@bluerosetech.com> From: Mel Pilgrim Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 04:37:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVD9519rZz3l8v X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com designates 2607:f740:c::4ae as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.19 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f740:c::4ae:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f740:c::4ae:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bluerosetech.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.89)[-0.893]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:f740:c::/48, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:38:02 -0000 On 2021-07-20 7:20, Scott wrote: > My need is pretty simple: to have FreeBSD servers with an IPv6 stack > operating correctly on a private vLAN (IPPL). Specifically an isolated > private vLAN. > > In IPv6 (as I understand it), this should be done by specifying that the > prefix/subnet of the configured address is not on-link, and therefore should > *always* use the router as the next hop. (Similar to an NBMA network). Off-hand, I'd try configuring vmx0 with xx::yy/128 and the router's link-local for the default route. That should make the host forward everything via the router for the rest of xx::/64 without trying to do ND for it. You might do better asking on freebsd-net about this. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 21 14:17:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4B06645EA for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c3780001eadd27.555c58ec72c31047c23b334ca5bfc88b@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b515.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.181.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVHj44ggXz4ljf for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 93ab.82.c3780001eadd27.555c58ec72c31047c23b334ca5bfc88b@email-od.com) X-Thread-Info: OTNhYi4xMi5jMzc4MDAwMWVhZGQyNy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxh4.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:17:25 -0400 Received: from oceanview.tundraware.com (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 21 Jul 2021 10:17:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by oceanview.tundraware.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 16LEHGv3062740 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:17:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Tim Daneliuk Subject: Clarification Of -jX Argument For buildworld/kernel Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:17:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:17:17 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 16LEHGv3062740 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVHj44ggXz4ljf X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tundraware.com:+,email-od.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tundraware.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c3780001eadd27.555c58ec72c31047c23b334ca5bfc88b@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:53658, ipnet:142.0.180.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c3780001eadd27.555c58ec72c31047c23b334ca5bfc88b@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tundraware.com:s=slkey,email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:17:29 -0000 Is it still advisable to explicitly declare the numer of make processes when doing buildworld/buildkernel or are the defaults best left alone? I am trying to suss through a 13-STABLE build problem to see if using -j4 on a 4 core machine is causing a race condition of some sort... Thanks, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 21 21:04:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3183966CB42 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rdbodev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVSkl35Xrz3F2j for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rdbodev@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id x17so4103246edd.12 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vZ+dDI1gpv4VapBkbLgl0KcTEecPnF0neMOBlWhppt4=; b=N4hf+jToF6E4VrRFDGah+JJ84p0lHRCbRlf4yo6ZvWigmpkjsE5j0arId9jR5OyxCQ K4dsiodabe8CLO/grHj7A8iHdOx8rW+Dn5NPTFNNUOr/ltrDDNnQTQrhQE2Joo9ZvB/k XPU18mWqZr+xwbnPixdIl1ko/Xm5FEfPrOt0P4206I3FVoz3B7c5s1a3BBCXQNlT8tBI qLpOstu4GI+uDEJemvsjbfJLizTJL91h0sr9grYG1dvUUzJuTeaQ73ZWz5GF9GWACqcM SqZQ4E9VF6bBxRm+pkGeUyN/QXtmINH6X9WvXvWq6cklur2L/OqylGmWyRkKdYFM2y9s sg8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vZ+dDI1gpv4VapBkbLgl0KcTEecPnF0neMOBlWhppt4=; b=ATup/X36K6jRcRq+87Hu7T1l/guruaXbVrc6vcfvi2UN0Ov18sFxnY6T/8ysBoO9c3 f8CX2EYsPlEYS0n6NJCod4lKqniCEsLYrQmiEqTDWlMNFsdo+ZR6gkKs6grKsuEAqZSR WWqz+jjBeT9EaLE3OwXv3BJCG+FIz/2/QHGCg4tlDiPJ0+IMQ84y46u+FE8mg5w3Nz9i ewrHGQ20PEK49WNayKgC6EmSAlgMQU/toyudju4tfB8Jr2JN2FoM8aGrg43Dq0t3gIhC 36EXnXEFB8ioEld6L6yEg2EvBuBVSWmQgXlmun9WiibtkP52zZP3lRGZI/Z+bNWdWHTe 7fNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532DYTvJ14ZeDdnVE6hzE1NorMPvG1BbfbhufGOCe9b6NYIztSHo hCBh9tTKaWC08AkRbnL8TrmlNzKCI1MMQWGSI9X+Gd21fxOJIg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJypSrWyiqjP7gGcsRWft9FxuB40nKQdaVbMWtmoRd0P6HTOyUZVoOUfnqmGflqgBd3QUolBgVBr8/fFWIAPH2w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:697:: with SMTP id f23mr49529252edy.44.1626901469229; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 14:04:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rdbo Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 18:07:38 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Understanding the behavior of the 32 bit mmap system call To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVSkl35Xrz3F2j X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=N4hf+jTo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rdbodev@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rdbodev@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.94 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.80)[0.795]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.26)[0.262]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:32 -0000 By remote process, I meant a tracer. Because apparently the syscall arguments are passed on the stack, I'm gonna have to modify my shellcode a little in order for the syscall injection to work. I thought it was going to be the same way as on Linux, apparently not. I'll report back if I get it working. Em ter., 20 de jul. de 2021 =C3=A0s 09:15, Rdbo escreve= u: > Hi, I'm a hobbyist developer working on a multiplatform, multiarch memory > library, and I chose FreeBSD to be one of the supported operating systems= . > I was playing around with the SYS_mmap system call and I noticed that, fo= r > x86_32, you have to pass a struct containing all the mmap arguments, rath= er > than the arguments themselves. The thing is, this structure is not passed > as a pointer (like on Linux, for example), so I don't see how one would d= o > this syscall from a remote process, as each register is responsible for o= ne > argument of the syscall, and a single register can't store a structure th= is > size. I've tried passing the structure as a pointer, passing each mmap > argument in a separate register (like __NR_mmap2 on Linux), looking for > alternative mmap system calls that do not require the struct parameter. > Unfortunately, these attempts have all failed. > TLDR; how to run a 32 bit SYS_mmap system call from a remote process when > a single register can't fit the whole structure and the structure is not > passed as a pointer? > Regards, rdbo > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 08:17:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AAD655BDB for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GVlgF3Nb5z4v49 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 72467655BDA; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720BF655C38 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVlgC6Rslz4tlS for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:15:41 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1626941839; bh=yt2agLg4lVpTUFIzZMtwzG6bwG+0K91e+ZEtNtOE66Y=; h=Date:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1qLnHsjWyeUdzsMczb+QPxzbIdjC37CHwOrF9jwFMdax7F+9lulvqh9ZkXw5bQKXP YErLKtuirRs9vOk22VkexCBYHUHERqpf/5vnf8g4TrfeMnFMgqEJuk5cHDKA4xejOQ T+vP4L1/u07+96LkQH5ZAz7kYqGIm6mdW+6UHWeuCc0TKEtqQ7yfINawz72GCid3Dr 8tLfETCABwiMC+AG1ArTtqpNgj+vcHg4zbv6zyf47c3g1avKr8cS95kXMFG3eIyOVx TuNB5f1KdQoPxD2AE7rq2WPJ4V1iOLbRYonDePrG5QWDFg5SRBlb7ameJdZMR6Clg/ EbMNXrarm0IkA== Message-ID: <87wnpikbma.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Clarification Of -jX Argument For buildworld/kernel In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/28.0 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVlgC6Rslz4tlS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=1qLnHsjW; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a01:4f8:13b:240c::25:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:17:29 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:17:11 +0200, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > Is it still advisable to explicitly declare the numer of make processes > when doing buildworld/buildkernel Sure, why not!? > or are the defaults best left alone? If something breaks try the defaults. > I am trying to suss through a 13-STABLE build problem to see if using -j4 > on a 4 core machine is causing a race condition of some sort... Even when you build world/kernel with -j4 there should be an error message. What is it? If you can't find it build without -j4. If it still fails post the error here or on the stable mailing list. I build world and kernel (stable/13 and main) for amd64, armv7 and arm64 with -j4 and have no issues. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 13:37:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E7965AD81 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVtmS0CHNz4qnW for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:9d91:2cc1:c790:1f3d] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:9d91:2cc1:c790:1f3d]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 16MDbQDY057562 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Jul 2021 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: Suricata 6.0.3 process never stops under FreeBSD 13-p3 To: Carlos Lopez , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <2B994648-59D6-4F68-B4C8-0D8FB1CA5B87@outlook.com> From: mike tancsa Message-ID: <04839bf2-1d6b-1d46-3ac1-02a561d72d58@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 09:37:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2B994648-59D6-4F68-B4C8-0D8FB1CA5B87@outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVtmS0CHNz4qnW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[outlook.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:37:29 -0000 On 7/21/2021 3:33 AM, Carlos Lopez wrote: > Good morning, > > I have installed Suricata 6.0.3 under FreeBSD 13-p3 host from source using the following compìle options: > > ./configure --prefix=/opt/suricata --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-gccmarch-native --enable-profiling --enable-profiling-locks --enable-netmap --enable-pie --enable-rust --enable-gccprotect --disable-suricata-update. > > All works ok except when I try to stop suricata process: > I have the same problem, but also have a problem with the daemon no longer generating alerts. It will work for a few min to hours and then it just stops.  Apart from the graceful shutdown, does it actually work for you for any long period of time ?     ---Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 13:41:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3035B65B1A1 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clopmz@outlook.com) Received: from EUR02-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092068093.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.68.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVtrh5qqDz4rf2 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clopmz@outlook.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.181.21:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:06:40 -0000 I have a fast physical AMD64 machine which does nightly -STABLE builds of kernels and world. I have a small/minimal footprint VPS server. I'd like to take the nightlies off the first machine and copy it to the second to keep the VPS server up to date with -STABLE. So, which directories do I need to scp over? /usr/src and /usr/obj leap to mind but are there others as well? Thanks, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 15:16:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7588265ECA7 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVwyf6Ysjz3PrC for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:9d91:2cc1:c790:1f3d] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:9d91:2cc1:c790:1f3d]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 16MFGQOR091799 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Jul 2021 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) To: Carlos Lopez Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <2B994648-59D6-4F68-B4C8-0D8FB1CA5B87@outlook.com> <04839bf2-1d6b-1d46-3ac1-02a561d72d58@sentex.net> From: mike tancsa Subject: Re: Suricata 6.0.3 process never stops under FreeBSD 13-p3 Message-ID: <199770f2-a996-32ea-9334-f2dad6972b14@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 11:16:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GVwyf6Ysjz3PrC X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.87 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.767]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[outlook.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f3e0:0:3::19:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:16:27 -0000 On 7/22/2021 9:41 AM, Carlos Lopez wrote: > > >> On 22 Jul 2021, at 15:37, mike tancsa > > wrote: >> >> On 7/21/2021 3:33 AM, Carlos Lopez wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I have installed Suricata 6.0.3 under FreeBSD 13-p3 host from source >>> using the following comp=C3=ACle options: >>> >>> ./configure --prefix=3D/opt/suricata --sysconfdir=3D/etc >>> --localstatedir=3D/var --disable-gccmarch-native --enable-profiling >>> --enable-profiling-locks --enable-netmap --enable-pie --enable-rust >>> --enable-gccprotect --disable-suricata-update. >>> >>> All works ok except when I try to stop suricata process: >>> >> I have the same problem, but also have a problem with the daemon no >> longer generating alerts. It will work for a few min to hours and then= >> it just stops.=C2=A0 Apart from the graceful shutdown, does it actuall= y work >> for you for any long period of time ? >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =E2=80=94Mike >> > > Hi MIke, > > =C2=A0In my case, Suricata triggers alerts, detects anomaly traffic, sh= ow > statistics, etc =E2=80=A6 all It seems to work ok, except when I am try= ing to > stop the daemon. > > =C2=A0I am using virtue Nic drivers and autofp as a runmode option. > > =C2=A0IMO problem is related to this > issue:=C2=A0https://redmine.openinfosecfoundation.org/issues/4478 > > Thanks, that sure sounds like the problem I am seeing in issue 4478. It looks like both netmap and non netmap modes shows the problem :(=C2=A0 Wh= at nic drivers are you using ? I was testing both in a VM and on actual hardware and had the same results on RELENG_12 and RELENG_11 using igb NI= Cs =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ---Mike > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 15:20:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491F465ECDB for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clopmz@outlook.com) Received: from EUR06-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-vi1eur06olkn2082a.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe11::82a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GVx3B0yJxz3QJG for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:20:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clopmz@outlook.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; 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emacs 28.0.50 From: Dmitry Polyakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Wireguard_kmod strange behaviour with config from Linux Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 23:51:28 +0500 Message-ID: <877dhimbbj.fsf@liltechdude.xyz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GW1lB0j7Sz4mtQ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=liltechdude.xyz header.s=mail header.b=SSSdlWVT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=liltechdude.xyz; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of polyakov@liltechdude.xyz designates 136.244.109.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=polyakov@liltechdude.xyz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[liltechdude.xyz:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[liltechdude.xyz,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[194.247.25.225:received]; 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Some time's ago I decided to move all what I want from server from Ubuntu to FreeBSD. All passed normally but not VPN. When I tried to simply copy wireguard server config and change Endpoint value in client config to server IP, I get that I could only connect to the server (on the server I could connect to anywhere as always). I think this is DNS trouble or something, because `ping freebsd.org` initially wait for some time and after constantly return network error. FreeBSD 13, wireguard-kmod 0.0.20210606_1. I setup wireguard simply by copypast config and run "service wireguard start". Client is GNU/Linux (network-manager). All followed configs works perfectly on linux server. 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NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.51)[0.509]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:17:01 -0000 On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 5:07 PM Tim Daneliuk via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > I have a fast physical AMD64 machine which does nightly -STABLE builds of > kernels and world. > > I have a small/minimal footprint VPS server. > > I'd like to take the nightlies off the first machine and copy it to the > second to keep the VPS server up to date with -STABLE. > > So, which directories do I need to scp over? /usr/src and /usr/obj > leap to mind but are there others as well? > perhaps you've already done that, but if not: Whenever I run "make install*" or similar, I consult the documentation (eg https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=build&apropos=0&sektion=7&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-current&arch=default&format=html ) which describes, among other things, the make and Environment variables (specifically, DESTDIR) and their effect on the make process; perhaps there's something there that can help you. regards Michael > > Thanks, > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com > PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 22 20:57:48 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A37166527F for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GW4XX0ZwKz3Prr for ; 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Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wnpikbma.wl-herbert@gojira.at> In-Reply-To: <87wnpikbma.wl-herbert@gojira.at> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 13:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Clarification Of -jX Argument For buildworld/kernel To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GW4XW6qz4z3Q7N X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:57:48 -0000 On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 1:17 AM Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:17:11 +0200, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > > > Is it still advisable to explicitly declare the numer of make processes > > when doing buildworld/buildkernel > > Sure, why not!? > > > or are the defaults best left alone? > > If something breaks try the defaults. > > > I am trying to suss through a 13-STABLE build problem to see if using -j4 > > on a 4 core machine is causing a race condition of some sort... > > Even when you build world/kernel with -j4 there should be an error > message. What is it? If you can't find it build without -j4. If it > still fails post the error here or on the stable mailing list. > > I build world and kernel (stable/13 and main) for amd64, armv7 and > arm64 with -j4 and have no issues. > > -- > Herbert While it may have changed, the defaut was originally to build on one processor, it may have changed, but I don't think so. Several years ago someone did some testing and demonstrated that the best performance was using number of threads + 2, but that was at least 12 years ago and systems topped out at 8 or 16 threads while far more are available today. It is likely that improvements may be seen with higher numbers for very large systems. If you wonder why more prarrallel build that threads is better, on an 8 thread system (like mine), if I set '-j8', only a maximum of 8 threads will attempt to run even though one or more processors may be idle while waiting for I/O. Having couple of added threads available means that this idle time is available for another thread. If you set the value to be equal to the available hardware threads, there won't be one. In the many years since parallel world/kernel builds were introduced, issues have been very rare, though mistakes have occasionally happened. I really would not worry too much about races. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 23 16:36:38 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ED06750A5 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GWZhj1mKYz3JvQ for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24141F203 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IWUwhTetct_D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 1DA43EAEE; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1627058188; bh=qepLsvCAqHt9S6DO92vmcCGWR/pnSph6LnuOL9gd4uk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=IiwX0t1i5MM3meenJrufM6+wx7XSAqBl2OPAyDzSKOnJF7UyryyyPWBnyihZpek3e 1WSrLych9pdAPt6huVanmGPq2xvxuYx7x78MyD5vL8naKb78HR/vh6HTwO4vo5WUaX QVxDdEPZY6qLnkFJhj/inhWt8RbiVnUJKVHV08Hs= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78683EF1E; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1627058187; bh=qepLsvCAqHt9S6DO92vmcCGWR/pnSph6LnuOL9gd4uk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=Ju9FgXlcg/kEkK69c4BtN8Ekz0Ke3PW0iCOfe/s4ePe5GEzn9rb2Q+mx/0RiBCnKS 4DwHIKOQDzXYN7egEWBMdl7OthJi6nSEaLF6qILc1y2wu3PMlWc2wVwu0N/kygHvgk EuYbBo1dAMn8GG97fbtw2NwHmbB30TR6f+Rx+UzA= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE7A71098; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:36:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:36:25 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Subject: iocage, vnet jail does not go outside Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="08+5bsy7v9+aNml6" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GWZhj1mKYz3JvQ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=IiwX0t1i; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=Ju9FgXlc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(0.00)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:-]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.946]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:36:38 -0000 --08+5bsy7v9+aNml6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello friends, I'm turing crazy. I made a new jail ,on my hosted system using iocage. Here is the config.json file: more config.json { "allow_mount": 1, "allow_mount_devfs": 1, "allow_mount_nullfs": 1, "allow_mount_procfs": 1, "allow_mount_tmpfs": 1, "allow_mount_zfs": 1, "allow_raw_sockets": 1, "allow_socket_af": 1, "allow_sysvipc": 1, "bpf": 1, "cloned_release": "13.0-RELEASE", "defaultrouter": "10.0.10.1", "defaultrouter6": "auto", "dhcp": 0, "host_hostname": "examplejail", "host_hostuuid": "examplejail", "ip4_addr": "vnet0|10.0.10.23/24", "ip6_addr": "vnet0|2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23", "jail_zfs_dataset": "iocage/jails/examplejail/data", "last_started": "2021-07-23 15:11:28", "nat": 0, "release": "13.0-RELEASE-p3", "vnet": 1, "vnet0_mac": "b42e999c5bca b42e999c5bcb", "vnet_default_interface": "auto" } The jail's ifconfig: ifconfig lo0: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3D680003 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 groups: lo nd6 options=3D21 pflog0: flags=3D0<> metric 0 mtu 33160 groups: pflog epair0b: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu = 1500 options=3D8 ether b4:2e:99:9c:5b:cb hwaddr 02:ae:46:07:62:0b inet 10.0.10.23 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 prefixlen 64 inet6 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe9c:5bcb%epair0b prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 groups: epair media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T (10Gbase-T ) status: active nd6 options=3D21 The jail's netstat: netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire default 10.0.10.1 UGS epair0b 10.0.10.0/24 link#3 U epair0b 10.0.10.23 link#3 UHS lo0 127.0.0.1 link#1 UH lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags N= etif Expire ::/96 ::1 UGRS = lo0 default fe80::1%epair0b UGS epa= ir0b ::1 link#1 UHS = lo0 ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64 link#3 U epa= ir0b 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 link#3 UHS = lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 UGRS = lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#1 U = lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#1 UHS = lo0 fe80::%epair0b/64 link#3 U epa= ir0b fe80::b62e:99ff:fe9c:5bcb%epair0b link#3 UHS = lo0 ff02::/16 On the host, the ifconfig (note thereis a lot of old fashion jails): ifconfig em0: flags=3D8963 metric 0 = mtu 1500 options=3D4810099 ether b4:2e:99:6a:80:9d inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::2 prefixlen 64 inet6 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe6a:809d%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::5 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::11 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::12 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::15 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::16 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::18 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::19 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::21 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::22 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::25 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::14 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::29 prefixlen 64 inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 prefixlen 64 inet 95.217.83.231 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 95.217.83.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active nd6 options=3D21 lo0: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3D680003 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet 127.0.12.1 netmask 0xff000000 inet 127.0.1.5 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.11 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.12 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.15 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.16 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.18 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.19 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.21 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.22 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.25 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.14 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.29 netmask 0xffffffff inet 127.0.1.17 netmask 0xffffffff groups: lo nd6 options=3D21 lo1: flags=3D8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=3D680003 inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.5 netmask 0xffffffff inet 192.168.12.11 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.12 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.15 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.16 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.18 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.19 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.21 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.22 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.25 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.14 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.29 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 192.168.12.17 netmask 0xffffff00 groups: lo nd6 options=3D29 pflog0: flags=3D100 metric 0 mtu 33160 groups: pflog bridge0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 mtu = 1500 description: jails-bridge ether 58:9c:fc:10:ed:66 inet 10.0.10.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: vnet0.655 flags=3D143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 6 priority 128 path cost 2000 member: em0 flags=3D143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 priority 128 path cost 20000 groups: bridge nd6 options=3D9 vnet0.655: flags=3D8943 met= ric 0 mtu 1500 description: associated with jail: examplejail as nic: epair0b options=3D8 ether b4:2e:99:9c:5b:ca hwaddr 02:ae:46:07:62:0a groups: epair media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T (10Gbase-T ) status: active nd6 options=3D29 And host's netstat (again with many old fashion jail): netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire default 95.217.83.193 UGS em0 10.0.10.0/24 link#5 U bridge0 10.0.10.1 link#5 UHS lo0 95.217.83.192/26 link#1 U em0 95.217.83.231 link#1 UHS lo0 127.0.0.1 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.5 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.11 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.12 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.14 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.15 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.16 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.17 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.18 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.19 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.21 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.22 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.25 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.1.29 link#2 UH lo0 127.0.12.1 link#2 UH lo0 192.168.12.1 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.5 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.11 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.12 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.14 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.15 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.16 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.17 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.18 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.19 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.21 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.22 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.25 link#3 UH lo1 192.168.12.29 link#3 UH lo1 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags N= etif Expire ::/96 ::1 UGRS = lo0 default fe80::1%em0 UGS = em0 ::1 link#2 UHS = lo0 ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64 link#1 U = em0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::2 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::5 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::11 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::12 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::14 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::15 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::16 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::18 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::19 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::21 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::22 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::25 link#1 UHS = lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::29 link#1 UHS = lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 UGRS = lo0 fe80::%em0/64 link#1 U = em0 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe6a:809d%em0 link#1 UHS = lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#2 U = lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#2 UHS = lo0 ff02::/16 ::1 UGRS = lo0 The bridge0 had the em0 and vnet0:655 interfaces. =46rom the jail in can ping oustside world: ping google.ca PING6(56=3D40+8+8 bytes) 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 --> 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003 16 bytes from 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, icmp_seq=3D0 hlim=3D118 time=3D7.92= 7 ms 16 bytes from 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, icmp_seq=3D1 hlim=3D118 time=3D7.80= 0 ms 16 bytes from 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, icmp_seq=3D2 hlim=3D118 time=3D7.79= 8 ms ^C --- google.ca ping6 statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev =3D 7.798/7.842/7.927/0.061 ms The problem is, I cannot ssh to an external computer (for example, my nextcloud hosted at home): ssh -vvv nextcloud.foucry.net -p2250 OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1k-freebsd 25 Mar 2021 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: resolving "nextcloud.foucry.net" port 2250 debug2: ssh_connect_direct debug1: Connecting to nextcloud.foucry.net [2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ff:60ff:feba:= b582] port 2250. debug1: connect to address 2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ff:60ff:feba:b582 port 2250: O= peration timed out debug1: Connecting to nextcloud.foucry.net [82.65.174.130] port 2250. debug1: connect to address 82.65.174.130 port 2250: Operation timed out ssh: connect to host nextcloud.foucry.net port 2250: Operation timed out What's look strange (for me) is the traceroute (using ipv4): traceroute nextcloud.foucry.net traceroute to nextcloud.foucry.net (82.65.174.130), 64 hops max, 40 byte pa= ckets 1 10.0.10.1 (10.0.10.1) 0.086 ms 0.051 ms 0.037 ms 2 static.193.83.217.95.clients.your-server.de (95.217.83.193) 0.451 ms = 0.571 ms 0.392 ms 3 core32.hel1.hetzner.com (213.239.252.97) 11.621 ms core31.hel1.hetzner.com (213.239.252.93) 1.812 ms core32.hel1.hetzner.com (213.239.252.97) 2.793 ms 4 core9.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.166) 21.295 ms core8.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.149) 20.730 ms core9.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.170) 20.333 ms 5 core4.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.245.85) 28.499 ms core4.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.177) 20.507 ms 22.850 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 *^C Look's like something wrong on the way, but I could connect on the same host form any other jails. There is for me a mysterious behaviiors that I can't understand.=20 Any help will be appreciate. Thanks for reading me, and the time your spend on my problem. --=20 Jacques Foucry --08+5bsy7v9+aNml6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRd29C9s3PtOgNIX2tkcaT/7DX1XwUCYPrv/l8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NURE QkQwQkRCMzczRUQzQTAzNDg1RjZCNjQ3MUE0RkZFQzM1RjU1RgAKCRBkcaT/7DX1 X4jGAQCG+zm53q9HlSsrWZffS3KWuSzdyKjqELP3Fr31Gt9WVAEAkwJZ2xsi+ZYA E7z13v6eK7+BTVkoGqzULIZSeTkO9XY= =jIaX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --08+5bsy7v9+aNml6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 23 18:04:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3069C676539 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GWcfQ6ZQQz3nbn for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39DFF15A for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hShk-eC8XQJh for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 8FD19F1B8; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1627063484; bh=GsKdT7++nUojUiOpCQgYqcXZPO8I2r9whkqAZq+ky9M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Ef7fBU3mmwfAt+L4LJ4Df/rp8quikBqgghz6uIJ6aE4ja99kyr/lfxFm8bXP2+YwV FLQvA3MnLCDZkn0bMeCRwpqe45CeWzXF/Q3XjzP01Y+xoDU2UbXY7wJq5a/g912bK3 uIrLvM90luTR5mjv6fkCYmtzAzoCdhu424GVPdF8= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (82-65-174-130.subs.proxad.net [82.65.174.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5C83F402; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1627063483; bh=GsKdT7++nUojUiOpCQgYqcXZPO8I2r9whkqAZq+ky9M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Dh4EuekYKA2iE1sR53jrCQUwXjHGgnIGy/ZNY80dBmQqpznxoZHywmi+5IIpOd/5h E7tRtRrJyGp2nA6ZejbronrW8mm26cjjfvfzu6y2uQFhM6L30WrJERpuED1Dn8ueJp 4wyXtKTx72FXTUGEQI00AtDjrxaMCZiB3ne7wJIA= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E64F9D65; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:04:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:04:41 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: Michael Gmelin Cc: Jacques Foucry , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iocage, vnet jail does not go outside Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Michael Gmelin , Jacques Foucry , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org References: <20210723195142.77b668f1@bsd64.grem.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20210723195142.77b668f1@bsd64.grem.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GWcfQ6ZQQz3nbn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:04:47 -0000 Le vendredi 23 juil. 2021 à 19:51:42 (+0200), Michael Gmelin à écrit: Hello Michael, > You need to enable some sort of NAT at your end, e.g. using pf. Traffic > is leaving your host on a private IP. I forgot to post the part of my pf.conf your right. I enabled a NAT (may be in a wroing way): ext_if = em0 int_if = "{lo0 lo1}" bridge_if = bridge0 icmp_types="{ echoreq, unreach }" # ok loopback set skip on lo0 set skip on lo1 #set skip on bridge0 # define jails jails_net = "{192.168.12.0/24 10.0.10.0/24 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64}" … # nat nat on $ext_if from $jails_net to any -> $ext_if … # ExampleJail rdr on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port $examplejail_ports -> $examplejail_v4 rdr on $ext_if inet6 proto tcp from any to $ext_if port $examplejail_ports -> $examplejail_v6 … pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $examplejail_v4 port $examplejail_ports flags S/SA keep state pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $examplejail_v6 port $examplejail_ports … # Allow icmp pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types #IPv6 - pass in/out all IPv6 ICMP traffic pass in quick proto icmp6 Allow Is there something wrong of missing? I was guessing that the NAT is correct because I can connect from outside (IPv4 and IPv6) to this jail. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 17:51:51 -0000 On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:36:25 +0200 Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello friends, > > I'm turing crazy. > > I made a new jail ,on my hosted system using iocage. > > Here is the config.json file: > > more config.json > { > "allow_mount": 1, > "allow_mount_devfs": 1, > "allow_mount_nullfs": 1, > "allow_mount_procfs": 1, > "allow_mount_tmpfs": 1, > "allow_mount_zfs": 1, > "allow_raw_sockets": 1, > "allow_socket_af": 1, > "allow_sysvipc": 1, > "bpf": 1, > "cloned_release": "13.0-RELEASE", > "defaultrouter": "10.0.10.1", > "defaultrouter6": "auto", > "dhcp": 0, > "host_hostname": "examplejail", > "host_hostuuid": "examplejail", > "ip4_addr": "vnet0|10.0.10.23/24", > "ip6_addr": "vnet0|2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23", > "jail_zfs_dataset": "iocage/jails/examplejail/data", > "last_started": "2021-07-23 15:11:28", > "nat": 0, > "release": "13.0-RELEASE-p3", > "vnet": 1, > "vnet0_mac": "b42e999c5bca b42e999c5bcb", > "vnet_default_interface": "auto" > } > > The jail's ifconfig: > > ifconfig > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=680003 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > groups: lo > nd6 options=21 > pflog0: flags=0<> metric 0 mtu 33160 > groups: pflog > epair0b: flags=8843 metric 0 > mtu 1500 options=8 > ether b4:2e:99:9c:5b:cb > hwaddr 02:ae:46:07:62:0b > inet 10.0.10.23 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 prefixlen 64 > inet6 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe9c:5bcb%epair0b prefixlen 64 scopeid > 0x3 groups: epair > media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T (10Gbase-T ) > status: active > nd6 options=21 > > The jail's netstat: > > netstat -rn > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire > default 10.0.10.1 UGS epair0b > 10.0.10.0/24 link#3 U epair0b > 10.0.10.23 link#3 UHS lo0 > 127.0.0.1 link#1 UH lo0 > > Internet6: > Destination Gateway Flags > Netif Expire ::/96 ::1 > UGRS lo0 default > fe80::1%epair0b UGS epair0b ::1 > link#1 UHS lo0 > ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRS > lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64 link#3 > U epair0b 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 link#3 > UHS lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 > UGRS lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 > link#1 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 > link#1 UHS lo0 > fe80::%epair0b/64 link#3 U > epair0b fe80::b62e:99ff:fe9c:5bcb%epair0b link#3 > UHS lo0 ff02::/16 > > On the host, the ifconfig (note thereis a lot of old fashion jails): > > ifconfig > em0: flags=8963 > metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=4810099 > ether b4:2e:99:6a:80:9d inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::2 prefixlen 64 > inet6 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe6a:809d%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::5 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::11 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::12 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::15 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::16 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::18 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::19 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::21 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::22 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::25 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::14 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::29 prefixlen 64 > inet6 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 prefixlen 64 > inet 95.217.83.231 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 95.217.83.255 > media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) > status: active > nd6 options=21 > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=680003 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > inet 127.0.12.1 netmask 0xff000000 > inet 127.0.1.5 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.11 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.12 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.15 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.16 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.18 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.19 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.21 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.22 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.25 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.14 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.29 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 127.0.1.17 netmask 0xffffffff > groups: lo > nd6 options=21 > lo1: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > options=680003 > inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.5 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 192.168.12.11 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.12 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.15 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.16 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.18 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.19 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.21 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.22 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.25 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.14 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.29 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 192.168.12.17 netmask 0xffffff00 > groups: lo > nd6 options=29 > pflog0: flags=100 metric 0 mtu 33160 > groups: pflog > bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 > mtu 1500 description: jails-bridge > ether 58:9c:fc:10:ed:66 > inet 10.0.10.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 > id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 > maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 > root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 > member: vnet0.655 > flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 6 > priority 128 path cost 2000 member: em0 > flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 > priority 128 path cost 20000 groups: bridge > nd6 options=9 > vnet0.655: flags=8943 > metric 0 mtu 1500 description: associated with jail: examplejail as > nic: epair0b options=8 > ether b4:2e:99:9c:5b:ca > hwaddr 02:ae:46:07:62:0a > groups: epair > media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T (10Gbase-T ) > status: active > nd6 options=29 > > And host's netstat (again with many old fashion jail): > > netstat -rn > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire > default 95.217.83.193 UGS em0 > 10.0.10.0/24 link#5 U bridge0 > 10.0.10.1 link#5 UHS lo0 > 95.217.83.192/26 link#1 U em0 > 95.217.83.231 link#1 UHS lo0 > 127.0.0.1 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.5 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.11 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.12 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.14 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.15 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.16 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.17 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.18 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.19 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.21 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.22 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.25 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.1.29 link#2 UH lo0 > 127.0.12.1 link#2 UH lo0 > 192.168.12.1 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.5 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.11 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.12 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.14 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.15 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.16 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.17 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.18 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.19 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.21 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.22 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.25 link#3 UH lo1 > 192.168.12.29 link#3 UH lo1 > > Internet6: > Destination Gateway Flags > Netif Expire ::/96 ::1 > UGRS lo0 default > fe80::1%em0 UGS em0 ::1 > link#2 UHS lo0 > ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRS > lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64 link#1 > U em0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::2 link#1 > UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::5 > link#1 UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::11 > link#1 UHS lo0 > 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::12 link#1 UHS > lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::14 link#1 > UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::15 link#1 > UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::16 > link#1 UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 > link#1 UHS lo0 > 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::18 link#1 UHS > lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::19 link#1 > UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::21 link#1 > UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::22 > link#1 UHS lo0 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::25 > link#1 UHS lo0 > 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::29 link#1 UHS > lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 > UGRS lo0 fe80::%em0/64 link#1 > U em0 fe80::b62e:99ff:fe6a:809d%em0 > link#1 UHS lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 > link#2 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 > link#2 UHS lo0 > ff02::/16 ::1 UGRS > lo0 > > The bridge0 had the em0 and vnet0:655 interfaces. > > From the jail in can ping oustside world: > > ping google.ca > PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::23 --> > 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003 16 bytes from 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, > icmp_seq=0 hlim=118 time=7.927 ms 16 bytes from > 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, icmp_seq=1 hlim=118 time=7.800 ms 16 bytes > from 2a00:1450:400f:803::2003, icmp_seq=2 hlim=118 time=7.798 ms ^C > --- google.ca ping6 statistics --- > 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 7.798/7.842/7.927/0.061 ms > > The problem is, I cannot ssh to an external computer (for example, my > nextcloud hosted at home): > > ssh -vvv nextcloud.foucry.net -p2250 > OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1k-freebsd 25 Mar 2021 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: resolving "nextcloud.foucry.net" port 2250 > debug2: ssh_connect_direct > debug1: Connecting to nextcloud.foucry.net > [2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ff:60ff:feba:b582] port 2250. debug1: connect to > address 2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ff:60ff:feba:b582 port 2250: Operation > timed out debug1: Connecting to nextcloud.foucry.net [82.65.174.130] > port 2250. debug1: connect to address 82.65.174.130 port 2250: > Operation timed out ssh: connect to host nextcloud.foucry.net port > 2250: Operation timed out > > What's look strange (for me) is the traceroute (using ipv4): > > traceroute nextcloud.foucry.net > traceroute to nextcloud.foucry.net (82.65.174.130), 64 hops max, 40 > byte packets 1 10.0.10.1 (10.0.10.1) 0.086 ms 0.051 ms 0.037 ms > 2 static.193.83.217.95.clients.your-server.de (95.217.83.193) > 0.451 ms 0.571 ms 0.392 ms 3 core32.hel1.hetzner.com > (213.239.252.97) 11.621 ms core31.hel1.hetzner.com (213.239.252.93) > 1.812 ms core32.hel1.hetzner.com (213.239.252.97) 2.793 ms > 4 core9.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.166) 21.295 ms > core8.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.149) 20.730 ms > core9.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.170) 20.333 ms > 5 core4.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.245.85) 28.499 ms > core4.fra.hetzner.com (213.239.224.177) 20.507 ms 22.850 ms > 6 * * * > 7 * * * > 8 * * * > 9 * * * > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 *^C > > > Look's like something wrong on the way, but I could connect on the > same host form any other jails. > > > There is for me a mysterious behaviiors that I can't understand. > > Any help will be appreciate. > > Thanks for reading me, and the time your spend on my problem. You need to enable some sort of NAT at your end, e.g. using pf. 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I enabled a NAT > (may be in a wroing way): >=20 > ext_if =3D em0 > int_if =3D "{lo0 lo1}" > bridge_if =3D bridge0 >=20 > icmp_types=3D"{ echoreq, unreach }" >=20 > # ok loopback > set skip on lo0 > set skip on lo1 > #set skip on bridge0 >=20 > # define jails > jails_net =3D "{192.168.12.0/24 10.0.10.0/24 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::/64}" >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > # nat > nat on $ext_if from $jails_net to any -> $ext_if >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > # ExampleJail > rdr on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port > $examplejail_ports -> $examplejail_v4 rdr on $ext_if inet6 proto tcp > from any to $ext_if port $examplejail_ports -> $examplejail_v6 >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > pass in log quick on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $examplejail_v4 > port $examplejail_ports flags S/SA keep state pass in log quick on > $ext_if proto tcp from any to $examplejail_v6 port $examplejail_ports >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 > # Allow icmp > pass in inet proto icmp all icmp-type $icmp_types > #IPv6 - pass in/out all IPv6 ICMP traffic > pass in quick proto icmp6 Allow >=20 >=20 >=20 > Is there something wrong of missing? I was guessing that the NAT is > correct because I can connect from outside (IPv4 and IPv6) to this > jail. >=20 >=20 > Thanks again for your time. There's one thing on your bridge that looks wrong: > bridge0: flags=3D8843 metric 0 > mtu 1500 description: jails-bridge > ether 58:9c:fc:10:ed:66 > inet 10.0.10.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.10.255 > id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 > maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 2000 timeout 1200 > root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 > member: vnet0.655 flags=3D143 > ifmaxaddr 0 port 6 priority 128 path cost 2000 > member: em0 flags=3D143 > ifmaxaddr 0 port 1 priority 128 path cost 20000 > groups: bridge > nd6 options=3D9 > em0 shouldn't be part of the bridge, as you don't want to bridge with your uplink, but NAT to it. So try ifconfig bridge0 deletem em0 Once done, you might need to enable ip forwarding (if it isn't enabled already). service gateway enable sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=3D1 -m --=20 Michael Gmelin