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Though I removed 32k $FreeBSD$ lines, there's about 100 > or so remaining, and a few hundred miscellaneous other IDs. I do plan on > keeping the $NetBSD$ and $OpenBSD$ lines for now, though. > > Comments? I think the NetBSD and OpenBSD lines still serve some purpose, for two reasons. 1. The OpenBSD lines still document the baseline from which a source was obtained. Not so much the NetBSD lines since they now use Mercurial. OpenBSD still uses CVS. 2. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 500fd4fe3208a4db60ddc2bdb0062e20; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Possible regression in main causing poor performance From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <20230905155812.D746B71@slippy.cwsent.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:36:49 -0700 Cc: Glen Barber , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , freebsd-arch , Martin Matuska Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8A267B4A-1B7B-4D61-AA57-8E3156470617@yahoo.com> <1B47E578-693D-4690-A577-947E8C9140B5@yahoo.com> <1C3E6B34-2937-46C6-862E-5B988B8A3A43@yahoo.com> <20230830184426.GM1219@FreeBSD.org> <20230830204406.24FDC7E@slippy.cwsent.com> <20230905155812.D746B71@slippy.cwsent.com> To: Cy Schubert , Alexander Motin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RgCPJ1D5Qz3LmF On Sep 5, 2023, at 08:58, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <20230830204406.24FDC7E@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert = writes: >> In message <20230830184426.GM1219@FreeBSD.org>, Glen Barber writes: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 06:06:09PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: >>>> Has any more been learned about this? Is it still an issue? >>>> =3D20 >>>=20 >>> I rebooted the machine before the ALPHA3 builds with no other = changes, >>> and the overall times for 14.x builds went back to normal. I do not >>> like to experiment with builders during a release cycle, but as we = are >>> going to have 15.x snapshots available moving forward, I will not = reboot >>> that machine next week in hopes to get some useful data. >>>=20 >>> If my memory serves correctly, mm@ has a pending ZFS import from >>> upstream for both main and stable/14 pending. Whether or not that = will >>> resolve any issue here, I do not know. >>=20 >> Two of my poudriere builder machines have experienced different = panics=20 >> since the ZFS import two days ago. The problems have been documented = on the=20 >> -current list. >=20 > Just an update. >=20 > The three pull requests amotin@ pointed to did resolve all my = problems. A=20 > subsequent update which included the latest ZFS commits worked just as=20= > well, without any new regressions. AFAIAC this problem has been = resolved. >=20 > The random email corruptions have also been resolved. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Cheers, > Cy Schubert > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org > NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org >=20 > e^(i*pi)+1=3D0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=9C9O8 The just-above quoted line looks like a corruption to me. Otherwise, I'm just reporting more evidence from separate testing on amd64 . . . I will say that my separate-install/boot environment 10hr, 6366 port->package poudriere bulk -a prefix test of: # uname -apKU FreeBSD amd64-ZFS 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT amd64 1500000 #118 = main-n265152-f49d6f583e9d-dirty: Mon Sep 4 14:26:56 PDT 2023 = root@amd64_ZFS:/usr/obj/BUILDs/main-amd64-nodbg-clang/usr/main-src/amd64.a= md64/sys/GENERIC-NODBG amd64 amd64 1500000 1500000 did not show any deadlocks. The only oddity that I've noticed is the 1 extra message shown in: . . . [00:03:25] [32] [00:00:00] Builder starting [00:03:43] [01] [00:00:18] Finished print/indexinfo | indexinfo-0.3.1: = Success [00:03:43] [01] [00:00:00] Building devel/gettext-runtime | = gettext-runtime-0.22_1 [00:05:20] [01] [00:01:37] Finished devel/gettext-runtime | = gettext-runtime-0.22_1: Success 23/.p/cleaning/rdeps/gettext-runtime-0.22_1/chemtool-1.6.14_4 copy: open = failed: No such file or directory [00:05:23] [01] [00:00:00] Building devel/gmake | gmake-4.3_2 [00:05:55] [02] [00:02:30] Builder started . . . I'm comfortable moving my normal environments forward to include this latest import of openzfs. The effort established a separate environment set up for doing testing of jumping to/past an openzfs import(s) in main. Too many recent imports have dangerous-to-the-file-system and/or had deadlocking issues for me to simply update to include them without first testing on separate media that does not have to stay operational. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Tue Sep 5 17:47:05 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RgCd41nnjz4sTMt for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62d.google.com (mail-ej1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RgCd36CRQz3R3Q for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:47:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-98377c5d53eso403203466b.0 for ; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1693936037; x=1694540837; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xNNgcNWBVrnSaFAclQImKATcQ2E3JLc3b3la/aMj+G0=; b=mg/409mpFAp8t1i5Fl8fVjnC6R5++xB8dbebC94u5v8BK24gPh4kpj1IsYxZApwqO2 KprOAQvdeX5w6H6Gpq3sJQI+XtHNbDJal3S2+88brGjs1iv1zeW52XqSYD3pszXR3w/H gisIhY/sYly+rrbKs7O8bBdfhkgMHmNhoyBLk93gXa9SyW6sR2niEryAhMtEmih+Br3D t3pnwuT2g49uzPJ+f1IhYnsTrkp/sZMV3eJQeeeGr1elvvzHjoJh/4cp9Muv9qHVjLwE Vq+Jq/sVDVIMdnXhMgW//Eqk5cIUgV6GEna0jIIRACGx3jTNERi09DIBPHu8XmC9SOuG tJuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693936037; x=1694540837; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=xNNgcNWBVrnSaFAclQImKATcQ2E3JLc3b3la/aMj+G0=; b=cRcEXxF+JYrAVkjQk+1xH3CGZf5aD2spUjoQbUGQWtw0vTpXJiAIdw9UqLLF9OIJbW /bVkSB6oVkd1bH2/VlDqpNrqLIF3MTlSXucARSzptGxmg2Zh7JlkC/mcbi4yKuQoclLR Oyq2r0T9qM75HbPHgKk3m9yxuJM1NRdiy+ASzpdxarXNlcttfk9KiAK3djJHY+c6jgjU dspy+tfn2uPb7PZbEDyN7aOXA6gkSDPgn66jlaeExat2AlYRM2SpvpQiNVPjrjC8PiUp rsMDPMBNcdVnbbatgeTWpQ2JH3zsH7zdp5eAVc5LOlJzbq7FjNW/GPsgNjFulTawxq1H W6yg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzfkg3bgSQfrP8UghWTeJwpuMntEljOqVJ41XVXny6OYQd+PkCB MxI9uWq7yNSLblmJaulv3HP/4JOU8RAE7jALKP4y77dZ3W33bsbV X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFhSPxDzCxOK/8IC5juAfO0QAKjdAinZp5FGoB4QSxZ+DmrIoZRR1BnrzA5LH6JaixVRwVfos3RDl0vsYw6dhk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:295:b0:9a1:7889:c4c4 with SMTP id 21-20020a170906029500b009a17889c4c4mr401355ejf.25.1693936037173; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:47:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Last bits of SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion IDs To: Cy Schubert Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c4b3ff0604a0379e" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RgCd36CRQz3R3Q --000000000000c4b3ff0604a0379e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:04=E2=80=AFAM Cy Schubert wrote: > In message < > CANCZdfqQRQJq2TxtxwKEgtLcAe5ENOvu2_L+ksE1pVatyKhC-Q@mail.gmail.com> > , Warner Losh writes: > > > > So I plan on just removing the SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion Ids that > > remain in the tree. Though I removed 32k $FreeBSD$ lines, there's about > 100 > > or so remaining, and a few hundred miscellaneous other IDs. I do plan o= n > > keeping the $NetBSD$ and $OpenBSD$ lines for now, though. > > > > Comments? > > I think the NetBSD and OpenBSD lines still serve some purpose, for two > reasons. > > 1. The OpenBSD lines still document the baseline from which a source was > obtained. > Not so much the NetBSD lines since they now use Mercurial. OpenBSD > still uses CVS. > NetBSD still uses CVS, but has a CVS->Mercurial gateway as a transition. Still, the writing is on the wall that this won't lasat forever. > 2. The remaining OpenBSD lines may reduce merge conflicts if they remain. > Yea. I think the OpenBSD and NetBSD lines are different in a third way as well: They represent the state of the upstream when we take it in, and from a 'keep deltas with upstream smaller rather than larger' perspective, it's good to retain them as well, even if we've substantially modified things since the import.... That was my initial thinking in keeping them. The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS / SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm familiar with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). They also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was fundamentally different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. So there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to modernize. Warner --000000000000c4b3ff0604a0379e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:04=E2=80=AF= AM Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert= @cschubert.com> wrote:
In message <CANCZdfqQRQJq2T= xtxwKEgtLcAe5ENOvu2_L+ksE1pVatyKhC-Q@mail.gmail.com>
, Warner Losh writes:
>
> So I plan on just removing the SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion Ids that<= br> > remain in the tree. Though I removed 32k $FreeBSD$ lines, there's = about 100
> or so remaining, and a few hundred miscellaneous other IDs. I do plan = on
> keeping the $NetBSD$ and $OpenBSD$ lines for now, though.
>
> Comments?

I think the NetBSD and OpenBSD lines still serve some purpose, for two reas= ons.

1. The OpenBSD lines still document the baseline from which a source was ob= tained.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Not so much the NetBSD lines since they now use Mercurial. Ope= nBSD still uses CVS.

NetBSD still uses = CVS, but has a CVS->Mercurial gateway as a transition. Still, the writin= g
is on the wall that this won't lasat=C2=A0forever.
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2. The remaining OpenBSD lines may reduce merge conflicts if they remain.

Yea.

I think th= e OpenBSD and NetBSD lines are different in a third way as well: They repre= sent the
state of the upstream when we take it in, and from a = 9;keep deltas with upstream smaller rather
than larger' persp= ective, it's good to retain them as well, even if we've substantial= ly modified
things since the import....=C2=A0 That was my initial= thinking in keeping them.

The reset of that=C2=A0= thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS / SCCS tags are from
projects that no longer really have an upstream. They are defunkt n= ow for many years (decades
in all cases I'm familiar with, bu= t I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). They also dat= e
from a time where marking of sources and binaries was fundament= ally different, and did things
that we no longer do and are out o= f step. So there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at
=
least to modernize.

Warner
--000000000000c4b3ff0604a0379e-- From nobody Tue Sep 5 17:55:33 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RgCpd66MBz4sXgN; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RgCpd3rCfz3TSw; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4002a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.250]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id dY0fqQ9DcLAoIdaH1qWzl3; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:55:35 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id daGzqMvznyAOedaH0qdblx; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:55:35 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=e5oV9Il/ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=64f76b97 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zNV7Rl7Rt7sA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=VxmjJ2MpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=3rs0Dif0S-5JwpwNab0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UJ0tAi3fqDAA:10 a=26XcPLqRqocA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=7gXAzLPJhVmCkEl4_tsf:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9C7350; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7589E1A8; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Mark Millard cc: Cy Schubert , Alexander Motin , Glen Barber , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , freebsd-arch , Martin Matuska Subject: Re: Possible regression in main causing poor performance In-reply-to: References: <8A267B4A-1B7B-4D61-AA57-8E3156470617@yahoo.com> <1B47E578-693D-4690-A577-947E8C9140B5@yahoo.com> <1C3E6B34-2937-46C6-862E-5B988B8A3A43@yahoo.com> <20230830184426.GM1219@FreeBSD.org> <20230830204406.24FDC7E@slippy.cwsent.com> <20230905155812.D746B71@slippy.cwsent.com> Comments: In-reply-to Mark Millard message dated "Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:36:49 -0700." List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:55:33 -0700 Message-Id: <20230905175533.7589E1A8@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfMFnni6gXWmeGiOT8uBYC/30mLL7MIb0STyhxhMf+Dzs/JF0ePlmym7eSlnpOSMnTB3r8RtCkqJ6r+mZJqmMjtlKLOL2KZKr3pSAJ+aYQRdKb8DLSHk9 HIfq/R2axOlQ3pBETDstKv/W9nY1pLC24iSJ7nUXNTlPKjOkYO4u8L08a3SJzJSbdp8cpQlfFrh9njfgwzgRdEB4ktlO5MnMGJlaPK2PQxpEYpJ9f7ZTGe9r hX/Y0mlfkBgJqKGp5uWzjSaS3TvyT4uuE8tF43cD2hhyrE4xwVxzIVsIChO2WMuDaKN/pnZuK92xTHVYfpg4YA/CBl9xGsmhNPEIvFHt0bsF5vteeSptQsoq h/X3CNC9dajejmmWYtCyOiPZ3gB9OhyYhfFxKU+qBFUcN2xJVhg= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RgCpd3rCfz3TSw In message , Mark Millard write s: > On Sep 5, 2023, at 08:58, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > In message <20230830204406.24FDC7E@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert = > writes: > >> In message <20230830184426.GM1219@FreeBSD.org>, Glen Barber writes: > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 06:06:09PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: > >>>> Has any more been learned about this? Is it still an issue? > >>>> =3D20 > >>>=20 > >>> I rebooted the machine before the ALPHA3 builds with no other = > changes, > >>> and the overall times for 14.x builds went back to normal. I do not > >>> like to experiment with builders during a release cycle, but as we = > are > >>> going to have 15.x snapshots available moving forward, I will not = > reboot > >>> that machine next week in hopes to get some useful data. > >>>=20 > >>> If my memory serves correctly, mm@ has a pending ZFS import from > >>> upstream for both main and stable/14 pending. Whether or not that = > will > >>> resolve any issue here, I do not know. > >>=20 > >> Two of my poudriere builder machines have experienced different = > panics=20 > >> since the ZFS import two days ago. The problems have been documented = > on the=20 > >> -current list. > >=20 > > Just an update. > >=20 > > The three pull requests amotin@ pointed to did resolve all my = > problems. A=20 > > subsequent update which included the latest ZFS commits worked just as=20= > > > well, without any new regressions. AFAIAC this problem has been = > resolved. > >=20 > > The random email corruptions have also been resolved. > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Cheers, > > Cy Schubert > > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org > > NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org > >=20 > > e^(i*pi)+1=3D0 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C2=9C9O8 > > The just-above quoted line looks like a corruption to me. > Hmm. Just to rule out that a build of the exmh2 and nmh-devel packages might have been corrupt, I've rebuilt the two and will continue to monitor. This email was sent by a rebuilt exmh2 and nmh-devel. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e^(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Tue Sep 5 18:18:44 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RgDKT6Fr7z4sk46 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RgDKT3sLrz3gR6 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTP id 385IIj8J099615; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 385IIiT4099614; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:18:44 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Warner Losh Cc: Cy Schubert , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Last bits of SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion IDs Message-ID: Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu References: <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:73, ipnet:128.95.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RgDKT3sLrz3gR6 On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS / > SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. > They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm familiar > with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). They > also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was fundamentally > different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. So > there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to modernize. > Warner, As part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove ident(1)? -- Steve From nobody Wed Sep 6 17:52:43 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Rgqj40WxSz4sYVQ for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2023 17:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52a.google.com (mail-ed1-x52a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Rgqj35mFFz4HYf for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2023 17:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-52a250aa012so31227a12.3 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 10:52:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1694022774; x=1694627574; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=57ZoIhp/lie9boBn/1UaKydzXlwFikEXpKg1Za2OngI=; b=EKTETOglCrWPUTlsgL3gPioOE5B44/dCcV7hMnUwOhlWVI9Zyzawh3RnZIjJ8jAlyp ZkxkEkHYqPcP3Ql+Jp/lK/SKfuY5/rkwlQQzGOi2BdZGaoBwCQ05supKKzKWLptzYpmJ HR3RVGu/AKusFq2B52G8Fn2XVWMEeJ9ELXCtZUhPnN0Avg1V/GszU6DZ23GnUh6ht6J1 52H2ziycy6HVs6V4NP1Fo5fgtNDRz3RrF7Y6ZSAmSobsbgnNd+3j5xdSla3o7dD4sGS9 muRudgLYNDWWPdLFmk49/CGX145Bc5BpjfcSrsrCDCVmFMmnsOUUxw1n8mHSwR64/r9/ HdOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1694022774; x=1694627574; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=57ZoIhp/lie9boBn/1UaKydzXlwFikEXpKg1Za2OngI=; b=JsTi1t/OG5MEfnN3o+xvo8RzINtqUo2sdxcZGdZ4DuBGuq9H9gWhKbA96OyBEPjsIV /LddJRyT1X4EipS8YQo6nXySzV+d66b6XlDYJ9pPMNWl4YZR2H8QPzMdTKuutzIdFIPh VhiM9kykqWDBkOg1EZq0wfhWxa+LZtXnndo9JRq7Bq/Ox1R2k50YK5T1nT6gXa4gDdpF 5c8eXUMASBRTqOgYg9y8l0tmf46vlCaJq+TWwQ5CZEw94kUxvo3AZh4W2vi3dAlViqXN DTVZCSUvNQKyuwc0f8NIqixoGG8txuQMWega0mafcBou3rP7sUbdrOocS7qFcdHk9KIP 6cbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx6/P1OA1ZdDj6LoW62vH8x8TZxlixC+i7wP35B/qMFgtNpht2f 8kfDyiIpPT1p/KiY/hks05WufTC3ywMPOX4xTUYNH37RJqNZwEb3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IECRFcYqxbCHn8XBtYHH6Nyckkbz9OViuacxgb9Anm2U4DRvSA/M0infhdapw0jgIvP8/M4L3zG1r1w0M6VAoM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1ac4:b0:528:90d7:a1f with SMTP id ba4-20020a0564021ac400b0052890d70a1fmr3079226edb.10.1694022774471; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 11:52:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Last bits of SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion IDs To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Cc: Cy Schubert , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b6d9ff0604b46965" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Rgqj35mFFz4HYf --000000000000b6d9ff0604b46965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AFPM Steve Kargl < sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS / > > SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. > > They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm familiar > > with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). They > > also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was > fundamentally > > different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. So > > there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to > modernize. > > > > Warner, > > As part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove ident(1)? > I was not. I have no opinion as to whether or not it should remain. Warner --000000000000b6d9ff0604b46965 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AF= PM Steve Kargl <sgk@= troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warne= r Losh wrote:
>
> The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS = /
> SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. > They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm fami= liar
> with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). = They
> also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was fundam= entally
> different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. So=
> there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to mo= dernize.
>

Warner,

As part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove ident(1)?

I was not. I have no opinion as to whether o= r not it should remain.

Warner=C2=A0
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