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[73.19.52.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b14-20020a170903228e00b001bdb8f757besm11459828plh.23.2023.09.06.12.18.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Sep 2023 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Enji Cooper Message-Id: <5263B61F-48AD-4F0F-87EF-6382A4C0664C@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2410299C-4040-4ACF-851E-26C62CFFC843"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Last bits of SCCS, RCS, CVS and Subversion IDs Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Steve Kargl , Cy Schubert , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" To: Warner Losh References: <20230905160359.51C07C0@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Rgsbj1GkSz3Vfl --Apple-Mail=_2410299C-4040-4ACF-851E-26C62CFFC843 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF" --Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Sep 6, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AFPM Steve Kargl = > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> > >> > The reset of that thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / = RCS / >> > SCCS tags are from projects that no longer really have an upstream. >> > They are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm = familiar >> > with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with certainty). = They >> > also date from a time where marking of sources and binaries was = fundamentally >> > different, and did things that we no longer do and are out of step. = So >> > there's no benefit to retaining it and some desire, at least to = modernize. >> > >>=20 >> Warner, >>=20 >> As part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove ident(1)? >=20 > I was not. I have no opinion as to whether or not it should remain. ident still has some value with older versions of FreeBSD (I=E2=80=99ve = used it before to get kernel versions/revisions) or making it into an = optional build tool, but making it optional seems ok to me at least. Thanks, -Enji --Apple-Mail=_269EB318-154C-49C2-8AC3-90F5E566CECF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Sep 6, = 2023, at 10:52 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:

On Tue, = Sep 5, 2023 at 12:18=E2=80=AFPM Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washing= ton.edu> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 11:47:05AM -0600, Warner = Losh wrote:
> 
> The reset of that = thought is that the other remaining SVN / CVS / RCS /
> SCCS tags = are from projects that no longer really have an upstream.
> They = are defunkt now for many years (decades in all cases I'm = familiar
> with, but I've not done a full audit to say that with = certainty). They
> also date from a time where marking of sources = and binaries was fundamentally
> different, and did things that we = no longer do and are out of step. So
> there's no benefit to = retaining it and some desire, at least to modernize.
> 

Warner,

As = part of the purge of the ids, are you planning to remove = ident(1)?

I was not. I have no = opinion as to whether or not it should = remain.

ident still has = some value with older versions of FreeBSD (I=E2=80=99ve used it before = to get kernel versions/revisions) or making it into an optional build = tool, but making it optional seems ok to me at = least.
Thanks,
-Enji

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