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WITHOUT_CROSS_COMPILER Do not build any cross compiler in the cross-tools stage of buildworld. . . . When set, it enforces these options: WITHOUT_CLANG_BOOTSTRAP [Do not build the Clang C/C++ compiler during the bootstrap phase of the build.] WITHOUT_ELFTOOLCHAIN_BOOTSTRAP [Do not build ELF Tool Chain tools (addr2line, nm, size, strings and strip) as part of the bootstrap process.] WITHOUT_LLD_BOOTSTRAP [Do not build the LLD linker during the bootstrap phase of the build.] But, using Ed's new wording suggestion: WITHOUT_SYSTEM_COMPILER Build a cross-compiler during the build bootstrap phase, rather than opportunistically using the host's compiler. WITHOUT_SYSTEM_LINKER Build a cross-linker during the build bootstrap phase, rather than opportunistically using the host's linker. May be such a build attempt should abort with a message about the lack of uniformity in the criteria? 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Although I do not know why users choose to not use Kerberized NFS mounts, I think that the administrative issues related to the "machine credential" is a factor. This new option, which I have called "syskrb5" (feel free to suggest a better name), avoids the need for a Kerberos machine credential. I discussed doing this type of mount on the IETF and Linux nfs mailing lists and there seemed to be support for the concept. Without this patch, a Kerberized NFSv4.1/4.2 mount must provide a Kerberos credential for the client at mount time. This credential is typically referred to as a "machine credential". It can be created one of two ways: - The user (usually root) has a valid TGT at the time the mount is done and this becomes the machine credential. There are two problems with this. 1 - The user doing the mount must have a valid TGT for a user principal at mount time. As such, the mount cannot be put in fstab(5) or similar. 2 - When the TGT expires, the mount breaks. - The client machine has a service principal in its default keytab file and this service principal (typically called a host-based initiator credential) is used as the machine credential. There are problems with this approach as well: 1 - There is a certain amount of administrative overhead creating the service principal for the NFS client, creating a keytab entry for this principal and then copying the keytab entry into the client's default keytab file via some secure means. 2 - The NFS client must have a fixed, well known, DNS name, since that FQDN is in the service principal name as the instance. This patch uses a feature of NFSv4.1/4.2 called SP4_NONE, which allows the state maintenance operations to be performed by any authentication mechanism, to do these operations via AUTH_SYS instead of RPCSEC_GSS (Kerberos). As such, neither of the above mechanisms is needed. This new NFSv4.1/4.2 mount option, called "syskrb5" must be used with "sec=krb5[ip]" to avoid the need for either of the above Kerberos setups to be done by the client. Note that all file access/modification operations still require users on the NFS client to have a valid TGT recognized by the NFSv4.1/4.2 server. As such, this option allows, at most, a malicious client to do some sort of DOS attack. Although not required, use of "tls" with this new option is encouraged, since it provides on-the-wire encryption plus, optionally, client identity verification via a X.509 certificate provided to the server during TLS handshake. Alternately, "sec=krb5p" does provide on-the-wire encryption of file data. So, does this sound like something that should be committed to FreeBSD? Thanks for any comments, rick From nobody Tue Mar 14 18:53:46 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PbjNk4hfcz3ybmJ for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PbjNj3Yqxz3L6r for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=nomadlogic.org header.s=04242021 header.b=WeGopXLM; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 66.165.241.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=nomadlogic.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1678820029; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0xymHP0ohjTOUgZcyFGYPAh4tgDBzTUt+Kvt09Yvymc=; b=WeGopXLMmM3OhG1KtFTT7ruRiaFdxJcQvqwYNasSh4+9vqvdJmDeMA3PCbWuvJaHATyGHg WArxwh1mNLopeGPDhT4Z691t7Zm1J4KIXVv1r66+6y12RuxRDZNnnOiQ4WHNVHZ3qCk4mr o51yk5YPXc8YiuIrjjpLoTtDcrva4B4= Received: from topanga.nomadlogic.org (cpe-24-24-168-214.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.168.214]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 4278fd75 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:53:46 -0700 From: Pete Wright To: Rick Macklem Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: RFC: A new NFS mount option to encourage use of Kerberized mounts Message-ID: <20230314185346.nlfz3ba7ih3qpo6h@topanga.nomadlogic.org> References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nomadlogic.org,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[nomadlogic.org:s=04242021]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nomadlogic.org:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PbjNj3Yqxz3L6r X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 07:25:07PM -0700, Rick Macklem wrote: > Hi, > > I have implemented a new mount option for NFSv4.1/4.2 mounts > that I hope will encourage use of Kerberos and TLS to help > secure NFS mounts. Although I do not know why users choose > to not use Kerberized NFS mounts, I think that the administrative > issues related to the "machine credential" is a factor. > This new option, which I have called "syskrb5" (feel free to > suggest a better name), avoids the need for a Kerberos machine > credential. > > > So, does this sound like something that should be committed > to FreeBSD? > speaking as an enduser.. this sounds pretty fantastic, i have several workloads in public cloud that use NFS, and having this added layer of auth would be really beneficial from a security perspective. i also like how it should be much easier for me to manage as well. one question - do you see other NFS implementations getting ready to roll out this support on their end? i ask because it would be nice to have this client support working and well tested by the time other vendors start offering this support server side. for example AWS EFS. thanks! -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org From nobody Wed Mar 15 00:00:24 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PbrBK44kFz3xgWH; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PbrBK3K2Hz46vb; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1678838425; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc; bh=RFj1VdEIjRH9Ujoxl7wlSwRzRrt5zBaLRd0ZexNmzH8=; b=Y0993ISzu8bSevPu5B87jO8VxJ9BeQka14BmmphuInzj0MMJpRLml047+IOWyDDRIIdTSx Au754URGKBbLVMOyt3R9XyPK8EVZDcgHDZfAq/Mo54M1HcMzDdFp0I/nE5HQF92cf3UEbP LZ+9mVCYtM0WjImKMKmzD+alFIC3e+DebMNnKFUskv+gwDD/3qunhDCvU+jHZNPTuLhgPL aTKmhkkGX9IH1Ni+eV8u3i0kYaPRooqJoqPJSHxgztg9NnCJLgHAtkMEdsW5lS6XosJ9OK LzeZLZ6GuOx4xmczSQKP3bt0ZAQmBWIG1u0A2llZyYizcJOQgU2/6KB8A/HtvQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1678838425; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc; bh=RFj1VdEIjRH9Ujoxl7wlSwRzRrt5zBaLRd0ZexNmzH8=; b=iqBy7ChwJHwclvepqeeugs3U+wgHGqjvX+Szwz/xBcWhHMQ1VkfNSdylg+ks/8YaBoBCFv N7C5QNHllf+HrWwMFcWZEv8AfuMMfru436+CFbVpQoa8AjRH66CDnheGxyOXYRN10rydVl 72Yr7Yb9G8c37qIfZUhkmdeSkowMmsObetzgrxhYcUnxyETLOxjxva6RtgYHE7Evj5Dv1N ERcuS3+U+7BYn3IVR0wUETlE2SsvUtnNXmVN7TWv7TqXJTJyE2Q/QRKikHRCjfTZeWpxey qO90mBa/rEfBOVVOS17n2ikcm9JFWQrsrYGoPDIa7h7rl+44QZ2F7cZ3m7gcSA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1678838425; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hxfqW3V7qG4xmydEuejwjfVviGrOUftc+znf76yyOPqU7NuRHnKllM+8YE5gQJN1VOBnw3 MXS/EWZndqb7UyiRq2muqBro2/UeIIXB9e+gk91oYIaYsSyXPj54oLdVFC775pd4VK+vtA dtUX1ZUyWJcGZpzYfWDAIUO2us1t2IbO+WsY4rZr6sKfWX0qB3X2qcqesNFsXhJ22UvACx iAqveSXq3apogM5BDWAGdb3lS05S4Rl3mRl3kOFRR9OKbMltcSGaX96ioHLkzzPNH7wRge /gHluH5E3i3Zc7Xn4dDWGu55nIlElC/HlYfDpJuGaXf4pz3rQNby0m9VzKLeIQ== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1472) id 5743010B89; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:00:24 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-status-calls@FreeBSD.org Subject: [2 WEEKS LEFT REMINDER] Call for 2023Q1 status reports Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org,freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org,devsummit@FreeBSD.org,secretary@asiabsdcon.org Message-Id: <20230315000025.5743010B89@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:00:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Lorenzo Salvadore X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Dear FreeBSD Community, The deadline for the next FreeBSD Status Report update is March, 31st 2023 for work done since the last round of quarterly reports: January 2023 - March 2023. 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Although I do not know why users choose > > to not use Kerberized NFS mounts, I think that the administrative > > issues related to the "machine credential" is a factor. > > This new option, which I have called "syskrb5" (feel free to > > suggest a better name), avoids the need for a Kerberos machine > > credential. > > > > > > > So, does this sound like something that should be committed > > to FreeBSD? > > > > speaking as an enduser.. > > this sounds pretty fantastic, i have several workloads in public > cloud that use NFS, and having this added layer of auth would be > really beneficial from a security perspective. i also like how > it should be much easier for me to manage as well. > > one question - do you see other NFS implementations getting ready > to roll out this support on their end? i ask because it would be > nice to have this client support working and well tested by the time > other vendors start offering this support server side. for example > AWS EFS. Well, there are three components: 1 - SP4_NONE, which is what the FreeBSD NFSv4.1/4.2 client always uses, so as far as I know, all the servers support it. (I have only been able to test against the FreeBSD and Linux knfsd at this point, so there may be surprises with other servers.) 2 - Kerberized NFSv4. It is required by the RFCs and is supported by at least most servers. I do not know if AWS EFS supports Kerberos? 3 - NFS-over-TLS (the RFC authors prefer RPC-with-TLS). At this time, only the FreeBSD server and a userland server called DesyFS (and maybe Ganesha) have support. There are experimental patches for the Linux knfsd, but I do not know how close they are to being in a mainstream kernel. Other server verdors should be working on this, but I have no idea what their current status is. #3 is not needed for this mount case, but it will be nice to have. (And the above may not be accurate. It is just what I have observed.) 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The jail's base is built like a PkgBase. the I try to update the existing jail via poudriere jail -j head-amd64 and that fails with (as 13-stable does also): [...] install -N /pool/sources/CURRENT/src/etc -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 mknetid /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/usr/libexec/mknetid --- realinstall_subdir_lib --- install: rename: /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/lib/INS@uPWcSw to /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/lib/libc.so.7: Operation not permitted *** [_libinstall] Error code 71 [...] The same with building the jail running "poudriere -u -b". The same is for 13-STABLE. The only way to circumvent this issue is to delete the jail and install it. The installation succeeds in both updating-failing scenarios (pkgbase and poudriere built case), which leads me to the conclusion, that a minor bug is preventing the update. Any suggestions how to make updating work again? Kind regards, oh -- O. Hartmann From nobody Wed Mar 15 17:22:16 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PcHJX0cKmz3ym5r for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjguzik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32b.google.com (mail-ot1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PcHJW4Lm7z3KZg for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjguzik@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ot1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id w21-20020a9d6755000000b00698853a52c7so2584793otm.11 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678900937; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=y0nc779CYsUkFJakW6pAn3RFratkBrbcAvrqX1dCq2o=; b=Y/8w9RdsPEu40XYY4nJpmoBL7obzhL9n+w2Tvzit0CGfK+5VTPQXjXt8xV0nI06ng8 e73s3c9hG5lRDCtAZVKn4QCw4mH11KqIl48ZZWGKIaJnWW+mgLA49SmiJW8mWZZ+PP7n Ls2E1aJUXqUjTsCUhrn+SMnk2+N6qRZxiLdKGJ0E5cGDDFNanB1sfqUHYIXpSb53bBKo jc++loQ0GHPzD6iQXJPjRQgRgq23q6vgV0IPgj/DIX46hmyIEs8/psKEMuJSK0yc8w7F JK5ujY1fvzbjbI/NlWmuSuFX/qVitTwldCZnWzrt7MKqcPhnVe9NzQRmLrwvQnHyo/5Z lsWw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678900938; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=y0nc779CYsUkFJakW6pAn3RFratkBrbcAvrqX1dCq2o=; b=bY38S2Etz43oan86UM5SwqtB/iAewM6bRZ0bH/PktSQzjhioDaxKxs1+zW83HrJ6wt drvdiemR1piIe1RNNegZ5gERNaiq8zXPuncyxjz8sAghnbL/nz4pY51JeL3GZtf8No8b dZlWXhJdDewIdlQMzfhmOkm4c3buUEsY+pgR8Hm8m/zDSfPhZxJ8QOvGIPvayZk2+UCf HARckqWILWGal4MrMuVj0Irti3TTE9Tq6VpKmWGNxpeMi5De96/07mHka0Ra2MFh22U+ HbCr5k7tb1gz+EVRdm9MdL3ofPGLw2HlrUREEyoqzZ+yW0+ougK1jgZcqc8Wbes/9W5p 466g== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUbNQkG7SYvtcORp3zUTEzq06hF9Ix2aI1OjeHA1bsJMGfR1McI JGWo5Sk9qwXx79JZxGO+tB36DFcouC2/uE9PtWIEUWvO X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set89m+/a9XUXXTBw/NMi2qzaUalb0t03lSBNvIhdHjCq2vFt1ulP4bYTpNszq+DnI6Dzr79cj1eUowDq/6+syrw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:26f7:b0:68d:8bb1:bfbb with SMTP id m55-20020a05683026f700b0068d8bb1bfbbmr14897210otu.2.1678900937695; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:22:17 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a8a:146:0:b0:49c:b071:b1e3 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:22:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20230315180433.557ecb3a@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> References: <20230315180433.557ecb3a@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> From: Mateusz Guzik Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: oudriere/CURRENT jail upgrade: install error: libc.so.7: Operation not permitted *** [_libinstall] To: FreeBSD User Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PcHJW4Lm7z3KZg X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I don't know why this broke, but as a temp hack you can probably get away with just removing chflags, like so chflags -R noschg /path/to/the/jail On 3/15/23, FreeBSD User wrote: > Hello, > > running CURRENT on the host and a CURRENT jail on that specific host for > poudriere test > purposes, building the jail from sources succeeded, but installing stopped > working a couple of > weeks ago (installing 13-STABL:E jails stopped working, too, but building > 13-STABLE on top of > CURRENT works fine). > > The jail's base is built like a PkgBase. the I try to update the existing > jail via > > poudriere jail -j head-amd64 > > and that fails with (as 13-stable does also): > > [...] > install -N /pool/sources/CURRENT/src/etc -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 > mknetid > /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/usr/libexec/mknetid --- > realinstall_subdir_lib --- > install: rename: /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/lib/INS@uPWcSw to > /pool/poudriere/jails/head-amd64/lib/libc.so.7: Operation not permitted *** > [_libinstall] > Error code 71 > [...] > > The same with building the jail running "poudriere -u -b". The same is for > 13-STABLE. > > The only way to circumvent this issue is to delete the jail and install it. > The installation > succeeds in both updating-failing scenarios (pkgbase and poudriere built > case), which leads me > to the conclusion, that a minor bug is preventing the update. > > Any suggestions how to make updating work again? > > Kind regards, > > oh > > > -- > O. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ecc01a7860eb2b3c09070a2e8581ccf6; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 22:56:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 15:55:55 -0700 Cc: cperciva@freebsd.org To: Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) References: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.41 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.912]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pd2gK05Wdz4W3B X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 /var/db/machine-id I observed the delete-old-files deleting /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. It did nothing with /var/db/machine-id . Also, modern hostid generation was switched to random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the same exposure. Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior for its upgrade. I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same questions for what the handling should be vs. what it might actually be. 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It did > nothing with /var/db/machine-id . > > Also, modern hostid generation was switched to > random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept > the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into > /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the > same exposure. > > Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior > for its upgrade. > > I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades > from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same > questions for what the handling should be vs. what it > might actually be. Different ways of upgrading might > not be in agreement, for all I know. > stable/13 was updated to be stable/13-n254805-4e4e299b0950 based. It got the same type of results. (I'll not list the actual id's for this context.) # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Jul 5 20:08:03 2022 /etc/hostid -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 13:32:49 2023 /etc/machine-id -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:07:55 2023 /var/db/machine-id (I'm not sure of the intent on the permissions.) === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Thu Mar 16 23:48:40 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Pd3qt3W1kz3ymJS for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 23:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.tarsnap.com (mail.tarsnap.com [54.86.246.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4Pd3qt1LYkz3FNw for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 23:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 68678 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2023 23:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell7390.daemonology.net) (127.0.0.1) by mail.tarsnap.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2023 23:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 88592 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2023 23:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Mar 2023 23:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 16:48:40 -0700 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.8.0 Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more Content-Language: en-US To: Mark Millard , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List References: Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , Tijl Coosemans From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pd3qt1LYkz3FNw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.86.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I think the current situation should be sorted out aside from potential issues for people who upgraded to a "broken" version before updating to the latest code -- CCing bapt and tijl just in case since they're more familiar with this than I am. Colin Percival On 3/16/23 15:55, Mark Millard wrote: > > # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id > a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 > a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 > 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 > > (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) > > # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 /var/db/machine-id > > I observed the delete-old-files deleting > /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. It did > nothing with /var/db/machine-id . > > Also, modern hostid generation was switched to > random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept > the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into > /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the > same exposure. > > Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior > for its upgrade. > > I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades > from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same > questions for what the handling should be vs. what it > might actually be. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 015961d27d546f8396118beb16f695d9; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 00:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 17:27:53 -0700 Cc: Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin , Tijl Coosemans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pd4jN0nKKz3L9P X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mar 16, 2023, at 16:48, Colin Percival wrote: > I think the current situation should be sorted out aside from = potential issues > for people who upgraded to a "broken" version before updating to the = latest > code -- CCing bapt and tijl just in case since they're more familiar = with this > than I am. A question may be if past dbus port related activity might have established a /var/db/machine-id independent of the recent FreeBSD activity. That might not be able to be classified as a "broken version": Before upgrade: /etc/hostid (old style) /var/db/machine-id (via port) After binary or source upgrade to releng/13.2 . . . ? For other source(!) upgrades: Similarly but to a stable/13 (jumping over the middle)? Similarly but to a main [so: 14] (jumping over the middle)? To some extent the "broken" context is somewhat analogous other possible prior history sequences with /var/db/machine-id and /etc/hostid ( but not /etc/machine-id ). > Colin Percival >=20 > On 3/16/23 15:55, Mark Millard wrote: >> # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >> a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 >> a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 >> 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 >> (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) >> # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id >> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 /var/db/machine-id >> I observed the delete-old-files deleting >> /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. It did >> nothing with /var/db/machine-id . >> Also, modern hostid generation was switched to >> random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept >> the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into >> /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the >> same exposure. >> Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior >> for its upgrade. >> I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades >> from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same >> questions for what the handling should be vs. what it >> might actually be. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6f83934e1f1ae2d5d0f808b7db30d3c4; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 00:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 17:59:25 -0700 Cc: Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin , Tijl Coosemans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8DCCBDC3-3E00-48DD-A501-AC89448E8FDB@yahoo.com> References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.31 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.813]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.148:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pd5Pn6mSGz3P0G X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mar 16, 2023, at 17:27, Mark Millard wrote: > On Mar 16, 2023, at 16:48, Colin Percival = wrote: >=20 >> I think the current situation should be sorted out aside from = potential issues >> for people who upgraded to a "broken" version before updating to the = latest >> code -- CCing bapt and tijl just in case since they're more familiar = with this >> than I am. >=20 > A question may be if past dbus port related activity might > have established a /var/db/machine-id independent of the > recent FreeBSD activity. That might not be able to be > classified as a "broken version": >=20 > Before upgrade: > /etc/hostid (old style) > /var/db/machine-id (via port) Looks like var/db/machine-id is not a dbus default place: # find /var -name machine-id -print | more # dbus-uuidgen --ensure # find /var -name machine-id -print | more /var/lib/dbus/machine-id So the path in my analogy may not be the right one for overall question. > After binary or source upgrade to releng/13.2 . . . ? >=20 > For other source(!) upgrades: > Similarly but to a stable/13 (jumping over the middle)? > Similarly but to a main [so: 14] (jumping over the middle)? >=20 > To some extent the "broken" context is > somewhat analogous other possible prior > history sequences with /var/db/machine-id > and /etc/hostid ( but not /etc/machine-id ). >=20 >> Colin Percival >>=20 >> On 3/16/23 15:55, Mark Millard wrote: >>> # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >>> a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 >>> a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 >>> 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 >>> (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) >>> # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id >>> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 = /var/db/machine-id >>> I observed the delete-old-files deleting >>> /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. The above is wrong: it was etcupdate activity, not delete-old-files activity, that did the delete ("D") and did nothing with /var/???/machine-id . >>> It did >>> nothing with /var/db/machine-id . >>> Also, modern hostid generation was switched to >>> random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept >>> the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into >>> /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the >>> same exposure. >>> Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior >>> for its upgrade. >>> I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades >>> from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same >>> questions for what the handling should be vs. what it >>> might actually be. Different ways of upgrading might >>> not be in agreement, for all I know. >=20 It might just be that there should be notes someplace about checking and possibly fixing the various machine-id related file relationships, especially if "dbus-uuidgen --ensure" (default path) was part of the prior context. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Fri Mar 17 17:15:47 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PdW476L3Xz3ybjM; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 17:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PdW475ktGz4LY2; 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Fri, 17 Mar 2023 17:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:15:47 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?VMSzbA==?= Coosemans To: Colin Percival Cc: Mark Millard , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more Message-ID: <20230317181547.4d75e897@hal.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 16:48:40 -0700 Colin Percival wrote: > I think the current situation should be sorted out aside from potential issues > for people who upgraded to a "broken" version before updating to the latest > code -- CCing bapt and tijl just in case since they're more familiar with this > than I am. > > Colin Percival > > On 3/16/23 15:55, Mark Millard wrote: >> # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >> a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 >> a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 >> 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 >> >> (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) >> >> # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id >> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 /var/db/machine-id >> >> I observed the delete-old-files deleting >> /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. It did >> nothing with /var/db/machine-id . delete-old deletes /etc/rc.d/machine-id, etcupdate deletes /etc/machine-id. I suppose delete-old could also delete /var/db/machine-id but the file is harmless so I don't think this is important for 13.2. >> Also, modern hostid generation was switched to >> random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept >> the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into >> /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the >> same exposure. These files are meant to remain constant across reboots, so the update process cannot change an existing /etc/hostid. For example, it is used by NFS servers to restore state when a client crashes and reboots. If nothing relies on the old ID you can generate a new one by running "uuidgen -r > /etc/hostid" and rebooting the machine. >> Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior >> for its upgrade. >> >> I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades >> from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same >> questions for what the handling should be vs. what it >> might actually be. Different ways of upgrading might >> not be in agreement, for all I know. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1a416eca30d07b07c3a19c24d1763da5; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <20230317181547.4d75e897@hal.tijl.coosemans.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 11:56:46 -0700 Cc: Colin Percival , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> <20230317181547.4d75e897@hal.tijl.coosemans.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?T=C4=B3l_Coosemans?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PdYJw1LgDz3K3l X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mar 17, 2023, at 10:15, T=C4=B3l Coosemans wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 16:48:40 -0700 Colin Percival = wrote: >> I think the current situation should be sorted out aside from = potential issues >> for people who upgraded to a "broken" version before updating to the = latest >> code -- CCing bapt and tijl just in case since they're more familiar = with this >> than I am. >>=20 >> Colin Percival >>=20 >> On 3/16/23 15:55, Mark Millard wrote: >>> # cat /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >>> a4f7fbeb-f668-11de-b280-ebb65474e619 >>> a4f7fbebf66811deb280ebb65474e619 >>> 7227cd89727a462186e3ba680d0ee142 >>>=20 >>> (I'll not be keeping these values for the example system.) >>>=20 >>> # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id /var/db/machine-id >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 Dec 31 16:00:18 2009 /etc/hostid >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 16 15:16:18 2023 /etc/machine-id >>> -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 Mar 3 23:03:25 2023 = /var/db/machine-id >>>=20 >>> I observed the delete-old-files deleting >>> /etc/machine-id during the upgrade. It did >>> nothing with /var/db/machine-id . >=20 > delete-old deletes /etc/rc.d/machine-id, etcupdate deletes > /etc/machine-id. I suppose delete-old could also delete > /var/db/machine-id but the file is harmless so I don't think this is > important for 13.2. Good to know. I'll remove the /var/db/machine-id that hte machines happen to have around. >>> Also, modern hostid generation was switched to >>> random to avoid an exposure. But the update kept >>> the old hostid and propogated it (not "-"s) into >>> /etc/machine-id . So /etc/machine-id now has the >>> same exposure. >=20 > These files are meant to remain constant across reboots, so the update > process cannot change an existing /etc/hostid. For example, it is = used > by NFS servers to restore state when a client crashes and reboots. Good to know. Absent man page(s) describing the princples for handling the hostid and machine-id file(s) (and why), what to report vs. not was unclear. So, for example, historical hostid value takes default precedence over potential adjustment to be random-based instead. That was not obvious to me prior to the explanation. I'm not aware of any place to find that in the man pages or other documentation. > If nothing relies on the old ID you can generate a new one by running > "uuidgen -r > /etc/hostid" and rebooting the machine. Yea, in my context, it appears that I can freely update the files. >>> Later I'll see if stable/13 also got such behavior >>> for its upgrade. >>>=20 >>> I've not been dealing with releng/13.2 but upgrades >>> from releng/13.1 and before likely have the same >>> questions for what the handling should be vs. what it >>> might actually be. Different ways of upgrading might >>> not be in agreement, for all I know. 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After the last reboot (kernel upgrade, presumably) it had me continue with. . . # /usr/sbin/freebsd-update install src component not installed, skipped ZFS filesystem version: 5 ZFS storage pool version: features support (5000) Installing updates... install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/growfs_fstab: No such file = or directory install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/var_run: No such file or = directory install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/zpoolreguid: No such file = or directory Scanning //usr/share/certs/blacklisted for certificates... Scanning //usr/share/certs/trusted for certificates... rmdir: ///usr/tests/usr.bin/timeout: Directory not empty done. root@generic:~ # cat /etc/hostid /etc/mach* cat: No match. It did not indicate the need for another reboot to end up with a /etc/machine-id file. I tried "shutdown -r now" anyway. It did establish an /etc/machine-id file during the reboot: # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id=20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 May 12 08:46:21 2022 /etc/hostid -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 May 13 09:46:56 2022 /etc/machine-id So the basic implementation is operational but just lacks an indication of the need to reboot again. The date/time is because it is a RPi4B context (no time of its own) and time is not automatically being established via ntp, apparently. (I did not make such adjustments to the snapshot before starting the upgrade.) I do not know if any of the "install: ///var/db/etcupdate/ . . . " lines or the rmdir line are important. 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It did establish > an /etc/machine-id file during the reboot: >=20 > # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id=20 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 May 12 08:46:21 2022 /etc/hostid > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 May 13 09:46:56 2022 /etc/machine-id >=20 > So the basic implementation is operational but just > lacks an indication of the need to reboot again. >=20 > The date/time is because it is a RPi4B context (no > time of its own) and time is not automatically being > established via ntp, apparently. (I did not make such > adjustments to the snapshot before starting the > upgrade.) >=20 > I do not know if any of the "install: ///var/db/etcupdate/ . . . " > lines or the rmdir line are important. >=20 > It earlier indicated 5708 patches were fetched and that 377 > files were as well. Using the likes of: = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/FreeBSD-13.2-= RC3-arm64-aarch64-RPI.img.xz directly seems to produce installations with a constant: kenv -q smbios.system.uuid 30303031-3030-3030-3265-373238346338 that ends up being what is used for /etc/hostid . It looks like this traces back to the U-Boot involvement in the boot sequence: # kenv | grep smbios hint.smbios.0.mem=3D"0x39c2b000" smbios.bios.reldate=3D"10/01/2022" smbios.bios.revision=3D"22.10" smbios.bios.vendor=3D"U-Boot" smbios.bios.version=3D"2022.10" smbios.chassis.maker=3D"Unknown" smbios.chassis.type=3D"Desktop" smbios.planar.maker=3D"Unknown" smbios.planar.product=3D"Unknown Product" smbios.socket.enabled=3D"1" smbios.system.maker=3D"Unknown" smbios.system.product=3D"Unknown Product" smbios.system.serial=3D"REDACTED" smbios.system.uuid=3D"30303031-3030-3030-3265-373238346338" smbios.version=3D"3.0" =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Mar 18 03:52:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PdnC04zgFz40Fnq for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic314-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic314-21.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.69.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PdnBz3R2zz4TWR for ; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c4d4a0b53802a9e6b26d5014239f83c2; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <91950753-BDE0-45D5-B0B9-42782BD75C47@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:52:28 -0700 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?T=C4=B3l_Coosemans?= , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> <20230317181547.4d75e897@hal.tijl.coosemans.org> <91950753-BDE0-45D5-B0B9-42782BD75C47@yahoo.com> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.944]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.84:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.84:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PdnBz3R2zz4TWR X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Mar 17, 2023, at 19:04, Mark Millard wrote: > On Mar 17, 2023, at 18:24, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> The 13.1-RELEASE (snapshot) to 13.2-RC3 freebsd-update's >> upgrade sequence did not go well relative to my being >> prompted to do the right thing to establish /etc/machine-id . >> After the last reboot (kernel upgrade, presumably) it had me >> continue with. . . >>=20 >> # /usr/sbin/freebsd-update install >> src component not installed, skipped >> ZFS filesystem version: 5 >> ZFS storage pool version: features support (5000) >> Installing updates... >> install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/growfs_fstab: No such = file or directory >> install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/var_run: No such file = or directory >> install: ///var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/zpoolreguid: No such = file or directory >> Scanning //usr/share/certs/blacklisted for certificates... >> Scanning //usr/share/certs/trusted for certificates... >> rmdir: ///usr/tests/usr.bin/timeout: Directory not empty >> done. >> root@generic:~ # cat /etc/hostid /etc/mach* >> cat: No match. >>=20 >> It did not indicate the need for another reboot to >> end up with a /etc/machine-id file. >>=20 >> I tried "shutdown -r now" anyway. It did establish >> an /etc/machine-id file during the reboot: >>=20 >> # ls -Tld /etc/hostid /etc/machine-id=20 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 37 May 12 08:46:21 2022 /etc/hostid >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 33 May 13 09:46:56 2022 /etc/machine-id >>=20 >> So the basic implementation is operational but just >> lacks an indication of the need to reboot again. >>=20 >> The date/time is because it is a RPi4B context (no >> time of its own) and time is not automatically being >> established via ntp, apparently. (I did not make such >> adjustments to the snapshot before starting the >> upgrade.) >>=20 >> I do not know if any of the "install: ///var/db/etcupdate/ . . . " >> lines or the rmdir line are important. >>=20 >> It earlier indicated 5708 patches were fetched and that 377 >> files were as well. >=20 > Using the likes of: >=20 > = http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.2/FreeBSD-13.2-= RC3-arm64-aarch64-RPI.img.xz >=20 > directly seems to produce installations with a constant: >=20 > kenv -q smbios.system.uuid > 30303031-3030-3030-3265-373238346338 >=20 > that ends up being what is used for /etc/hostid . >=20 > It looks like this traces back to the U-Boot > involvement in the boot sequence: >=20 > # kenv | grep smbios > hint.smbios.0.mem=3D"0x39c2b000" > smbios.bios.reldate=3D"10/01/2022" > smbios.bios.revision=3D"22.10" > smbios.bios.vendor=3D"U-Boot" > smbios.bios.version=3D"2022.10" > smbios.chassis.maker=3D"Unknown" > smbios.chassis.type=3D"Desktop" > smbios.planar.maker=3D"Unknown" > smbios.planar.product=3D"Unknown Product" > smbios.socket.enabled=3D"1" > smbios.system.maker=3D"Unknown" > smbios.system.product=3D"Unknown Product" > smbios.system.serial=3D"REDACTED" > smbios.system.uuid=3D"30303031-3030-3030-3265-373238346338" > smbios.version=3D"3.0" >=20 Looks like if U-Boot ends up with a system serial number, it uses that as the basis for the system uuid: https://github.com/u-boot/u-boot/blob/master/lib/smbios.c char *serial_str =3D env_get("serial#"); . . . if (serial_str) { t->serial_number =3D smbios_add_string(ctx, serial_str); strncpy((char *)t->uuid, serial_str, sizeof(t->uuid)); } else { t->serial_number =3D smbios_add_prop(ctx, "serial"); } For example (some byte reordering also involved someplace): smbios.system.serial=3D"100000002e7284c8" smbios.system.uuid=3D"30303031-3030-3030-3265-373238346338" # 0 0 0 1- 0 0- 0 0- 2 e- 7 2 8 4 c 8 This explains my seeing the same uuid from 13.1-RELEASE installation as I later saw from an independent 13.2-RC3 installation (not upgrade): I reused the same RPi4B. All media produced on the same RPi4B will get the same hostid and machine-id files by default, given how U-Boot works and that smbios.system.uuid "wins" when present. This may all be fine. But it still leaves me expecting that there should be man page(s) covering these hostid and machine-id files and how they should be handled to match the usages to which they are put, such as the nfs use that was referenced. A note/reminder to look up that material could also be relevant. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Mar 18 14:55:09 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Pf3vT0mwlz3yfXx for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 14:55:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Pf3vT0C0cz4KS0 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 14:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id ek18so31003134edb.6 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1679151315; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yfAlfxqUZTi6nvTIytuVUfE1700OhzxwkGYFPzEP85k=; b=1Fd9H2ceVYku+Aqn0TeXbvEI8DrwNBuqH9LcqoUyQ/sAZgVLhLv3T3Qf4CYJ4wiNX8 iqAVcYs4vllc8UxF99tHDec3vn6kZd45tIm+lPVmVX2UdrPdj2IAVhoWEQYXIR9ubNQ9 wmH91uc3tk4RGWjyLqfuGqexZrJ0X0V8XffXjI+jIs0ZjdndC1HIBkSBWec1PLGxZN// WDjHs3qPI7PgNrAgLFyne7jNZknMTgHfvyLBnHIXc4l+OFeDTo0a09X/ivqPgbLi78MO ymV15eavE1R2bmKc3Uj5uTGXXBMCFcCLl4F5AmZE2RP8U7HfuYgf5hczg4mPkIrG5Rj8 S3Yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679151315; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=yfAlfxqUZTi6nvTIytuVUfE1700OhzxwkGYFPzEP85k=; b=acDO2NICWcVitWWwCinHcKi1Xt8pEVcYLB0K/OTu+JrdFJBRrbXGEbcjWn7yvstpuB rMszXZNAWz9th1AO2LJ+c44EcJuY/wO1crlvWqh09kbbQcmKvc8frwhoLQfZ+8+xju5q QU7EX2W7V6EFQM65KzYk/y6KdtQnt7+o9jVgdgWkRv08h85nsoa7lxGfdMKfMOOQ3aW5 KYet3lAc3SkJie15MWpGUTzh4tz8+t1En79z1ogCZOuYcObvUOCC0hY+bOia7zwNjGiB xuy4OeKFiVn6AisQz1TjQcI/I9O9JEGWF1fCa6SbPbpaFY4c2hBbSX+8d7lFl9G1rBG0 vp0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXvArZtc0Xp+c2zUWmF6n/fMBG/lLYrWpngRVpbzqiKHzZY6t8U iawsMgvf3URY7Uv/d2GkQFBAY7Sf3+JP8kKKWzDazGg6kWrtTYaK X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9zzpmQWxmdGexFY6r4txeOUDYKK7zcunbWt179ldAz1/RuWpEbGl3xFnjIlKQPexEUfaXK4FggxcS1t9WriOg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:9c96:b0:931:f8b1:4472 with SMTP id fj22-20020a1709069c9600b00931f8b14472mr1323838ejc.2.1679151315550; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:55:15 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2cf7d953-2493-9673-5ea3-fba22c694015@freebsd.org> <20230317181547.4d75e897@hal.tijl.coosemans.org> <91950753-BDE0-45D5-B0B9-42782BD75C47@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:55:09 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I just updated to main-n261544-cee09bda03c8 based (via source) and now /etc/machine-id and /var/db/machine-id disagree ; more To: Mark Millard Cc: Colin Percival , =?UTF-8?Q?T=C4=B3l_Coosemans?= , Current FreeBSD , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List , Baptiste Daroussin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b01d9e05f72de1ef" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pf3vT0C0cz4KS0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000b01d9e05f72de1ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 9:53=E2=80=AFPM Mark Millard wr= ote: > This may all be fine. But it still leaves me expecting > that there should be man page(s) covering these hostid > and machine-id files and how they should be handled to > match the usages to which they are put, such as the nfs > use that was referenced. A note/reminder to look up > that material could also be relevant. > It would be great if we could document this. I too recently ran into a mismatch. If you load the /etc/hostid so that the code in jail0_init picks it up and sets the host uuid, then /etc/rc.d/hostid, enabled by default, will come along and see there's no smbios.system.uuid and generate a new uuid and smack that bad-boy into the kern.hostuuid sysctl unconditionally. It was easy enough for me to work around this by setting smbios.system.uuid in the boot env that I was booting from, though. Nothing to do with the upgrade, just that we have multiple mechanisms to specify this stuff, and the code we use today is somewhat less than robust to cover all the cases that should be supported, but wind up being buggy. Warner --000000000000b01d9e05f72de1ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 9:53=E2=80=AF= PM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com<= /a>> wrote:
This may all be fine. But it still leaves me expecting
that there should be man page(s) covering these hostid
and machine-id files and how they should be handled to
match the usages to which they are put, such as the nfs
use that was referenced. A note/reminder to look up
that material could also be relevant.


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Nothing to do with the upgrade, just that we have
multiple m= echanisms to specify this stuff, and the code
we use today is som= ewhat less than robust to cover all
the cases that should be supp= orted, but wind up being
buggy.

Warner
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