From nobody Sun May 14 21:01:02 2023 X-Original-To: emulation@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QKFKC27wpz4C6nd for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QKFKB6gXWz3rWX for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1684098062; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EvTyCs4N2lmYfx3BJoz1ustMoCOOH1h3RczOZGByW3E=; b=auam+SMfQpS1HA6zWDiAuBy6NsjUhWMolBZtd7tj8kdgxQlMvy8bQ77ZjeQvrkl+s39sjR jbe8wLoWymrcYh/iFhFjazWb/cQZgsPZohjeRuy6icMnvwe5rZaa/gP6gtR4rV7xaCbsFK fZgGQ4QwDVs4E17NPnoj7MvHKaxj91w6AuH6qr/CYh5gPls4c6V/ClS2Z663cxx9lRzzJk U1srUU5TTuZksxZ9U9OQeojnG0p/5a9K5kck7XZhxpHiMG5gAGTYldwh+ox2cQIV4D6114 AzeoqaE7ulvUJNr/S8C6anRl81hzjIvxvRFHRs1P02rC8c5j/WloiTLb8qzWgQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1684098062; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=y2/PgXK3EoHWuBL6YuADz6Q2lIRLlFJJklNryMYJqrocewoPoj+fc7oq9//3Uj8yoIypfd qk6AMTPCgrlm7vubHfDCeBJZ66ddRVdqa9RnMklHKRM0QfwzdhmZkKHSXYwkSYmR5uzW5A apK6dBXPOfGdTtI0398dOlbpYL4sFkm62J4Shp8ITM7ao5DuVeuHWjVVOqCVt1dOJxJqDr IZeUrsDqJUnxu9LtZiS28HiKV9NgDjCpHFj2YJwNqccGSBZLmrwuI5CWCn5f9Aui0OczTT KoS2EGC7epo/vP47FsXbljq3gFWY7QNUMK5QfN11DfYbbalev7xGAItOzXLM2A== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QKFKB5jdvzDdC for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 34EL12w9090335 for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 34EL12Ko090334 for emulation@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202305142101.34EL12Ko090334@kenobi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org To: emulation@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem reports for emulation@FreeBSD.org that need special attention Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 +0000 List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-emulation List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="16840980625.9EF9B01.85873" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --16840980625.9EF9B01.85873 Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" To view an individual PR, use: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=(Bug Id). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- New | 269934 | emulators/qemu-user-static does not support capab 1 problems total for which you should take action. --16840980625.9EF9B01.85873 Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 21:01:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 
The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users,
which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering
all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Status      |    Bug Id | Description
------------+-----------+---------------------------------------------------
New         |    269934 | emulators/qemu-user-static does not support capab

1 problems total for which you should take action.
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Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Thu May 18 18:34:29 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdtQ2hTrz4BstM; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdtN6ht3z3JlK; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:1::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net; dmarc=none Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [199.212.134.19]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 34IIYTr8030968 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPV6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 34IIYSDZ050398 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-emulation List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: How is this possible Content-Language: en-US To: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org References: From: mike tancsa In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[199.212.134.19:received]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdtN6ht3z3JlK X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Did it have to build clang on one and not the other ? It will say something different than make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 338: SYSTEM_COMPILER: Determined that CC=cc matches the source tree.  Not bootstrapping a cross-compiler. make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 343: SYSTEM_LINKER: Determined that LD=ld matches the source tree.  Not bootstrapping a cross-linker. --- buildworld_prologue --- On 5/18/2023 1:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS > installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took > 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=/ world kernel" but the first VM I made > (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? > From nobody Thu May 18 18:35:06 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdvC5g3mz4Bsbd; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdvC50lkz3L8m; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-50db91640d3so3636414a12.0; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684434918; x=1687026918; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=66+tjJyelbxhkR0t18yJTgS0uJp+lGkYvLcmRZBAZVw=; b=ZDowNj7DfBo8a2jSx7QhedadELoyCneFxToFKfvmfPTogzlPEc+mcyCO3y2sUqzn8I JNRZOJj0DH43IkA6+ajSKnbEJ2lZDrMFuV/IvsG/TmHt42ey7FxKHX3nYUdx7/zgCEtL iD+WM/XQMgDafuC6unA7z8vDcowHOBb/CGlHIeVbVmryLiNSuvcskFVDY9PkZtKH2l4/ bJz8Lmh7yWJbbyFMCXae2A+JOGUbrdOhhDwi3JBm3BWDWg6OnCeAyQQ13hzfnwi5QQpo RWndQHQtv53DfaobndqW/BTiYjksu0BQbkqaGxuqH/MwX0x2UrIGwqW6Z6hhFYPxSJi9 EzPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684434918; x=1687026918; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=66+tjJyelbxhkR0t18yJTgS0uJp+lGkYvLcmRZBAZVw=; b=CaWPGKn88lenNB5/U1kCK+0TfTOq3DMKwQsGw6HHkOLryEi+DUcqpR1ZIpwSO/sJB5 0oO9jwFEl7H7skZ6mlwpDyAPq4Pd3Lo4evc/nYPdSySsGjITF3BOEC63uBW2u90GfhKP +qMQiGaYm9N76jrxpYVHJoLW1UH/9vtg3naFKAO7d66V9UbQjWxwyYSnd/5r/Q8YnKOe yBXEw2UEy0AeZBG6zgzrqQyvr3A+yht5Sh8jeqymTaYFq4qPVLM7EZZ+Duu5zJSnW11v YJ7gHKfo8ejZzjm6n1/GE63UIGAtJuhJ3RXgI8rQ1uIyOgnRe9krF8IRhpAElROqjB6s gutw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzFrQYK8OTHL/dAqfbLsGwDByOVUuEydwzgscIOlf/gAc6WDWX5 iQwXX5HulT0E/L5LQOvomnTkF11a5hkzj8gcje22jTLZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ44CrTZNjCcCEXa4yJQvBOCZlj5eo62oAyzaMeAWnKCExRDQBxteiTTBHnMNZCIsGyFAAErQQqijr6dM8/z6Sw= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:da1a:0:b0:50b:c97f:47bd with SMTP id r26-20020aa7da1a000000b0050bc97f47bdmr5751463eds.30.1684434918200; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-emulation List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How is this possible To: Paul Procacci Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdvC50lkz3L8m X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:11=E2=80=AFPM Paul Procacci = wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:49=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS >> installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took >> 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=3D/ world kernel" but the first VM I made >> (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > > Your question is vague enough that you're excluding information that coul= d help answer this. > > UFS or ZFS fs? If ZFS, its settings? Sparse or not? etc. Both UFS using "entire disk" allocations. VM and host OS's on different d= rives > The VM in particular, its disk settings? See above... no special config on either host or VM (default config) > How is the disk being presented to the VM? AHCI or nvme. AHCI -- I specifically asked for SATA when nvm was offered because in the seen enough horror stories here of other places about NVM --=20 Aryeh M. 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It will say > something different than > > make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 338: SYSTEM_COMPILER: Determined > that CC=3Dcc matches the source tree. Not bootstrapping a cross-compiler= . > make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 343: SYSTEM_LINKER: Determined > that LD=3Dld matches the source tree. Not bootstrapping a cross-linker. > --- buildworld_prologue --- Both machines' OS's where brand new "out of the box" installs using nothing but default settings... the only difference is the VM lives on a different SSD then the host OS (2 identical 1 TB SSD's) > > > On 5/18/2023 1:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS > > installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took > > 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=3D/ world kernel" but the first VM I made > > (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? > > --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Thu May 18 18:38:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdys5Cbmz4Bt43; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdyr61KHz3NVk; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:1::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net; dmarc=none Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [199.212.134.19]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 34IIcSrf032239 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:38:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPV6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 34IIcStp051632 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:38:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4ffbbb57-8488-4ac4-9f0e-8f8a1a2b55d1@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:38:28 -0400 List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-emulation List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: How is this possible Content-Language: en-US To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org References: From: mike tancsa In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[199.212.134.19:received]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdyr61KHz3NVk X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/18/2023 2:36 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Both machines' OS's where brand new "out of the box" installs using > nothing but default settings... the only difference is the VM lives > on a different SSD then the host OS (2 identical 1 TB SSD's) Maybe do a quick disk speed test to make sure there is nothing funky about one SSD vs the other ? 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I have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Thu May 18 18:51:34 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-emulation@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMfGC0KHKz4BtTl; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMfGB738Jz3hjC; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-510d8b0169fso2954475a12.1; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684435906; x=1687027906; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=p2L3CNIO5410YVVzzM+IlOhG5PtRt60EdkSclpwTy4g=; b=ByEZ1uuIFkWUANwCnnxeqSunVsnqfoUpYeILhISzJ2KfYvS8kZUkAwX12oMqEeNFTX qwFCuoZkPGU26YjdBV48G9/mPd6zVJy4R9o7VWrvoOskhfZe/x/6oZk/cDU5gRf6uswq k6Zi+BLkS3cBx5vRqULDW/gx85EEHztjYPWHgBZWbjFGaP3eSvWdTlgkTjwzK+Nevag5 7wZdhgNvxZbASElSMSwD3KrE/FvNAW7U8+YfmMP4B5TAEsz/g8uLIwVP4uHgusn3EGgk 6STX7ns14+aTLef5BytVFw/3gSxmiHHhM3lQ4binrb36Fmcpxq2WuxYOXWs39dUa+erD h/Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684435906; x=1687027906; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=p2L3CNIO5410YVVzzM+IlOhG5PtRt60EdkSclpwTy4g=; b=KrUwphJ6QV13xsgJ39G/0lRa5mxbysKVkw4k+zKhLAH48g3EQLTdMYfgmLEWahSZRT fe+5di7sl6X3Lkw17igM9mLTlsCRU3giZRSQdR/ASWx5fpsEgK7Mjjkx86keeMTjws79 XH9bP2QRVxPJWdv0COUv0iE8kNovuurcbqzPyXlXwd400pwmaaw46IIVtjlsaD5lwCrB K77CFYFlFUmtRo+XkvGraNVKw4hOF2sKLC5ZkthZ+Jt2hGC/FF9yNBP6AMLZSSudRqeq jzIlJ+EPswh9mrVNGM8+5tIAxBB1Y81kVp1e1UoAIW8Uk8Bd6gJUGhsVtILRfIAb1l1V mL3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDx/xUlo99n+U2v+5aSc+8T4TvlfDZHtl0Vrrc+wXgYUIYIniDQn XV9e58fUr23nlZ9iFhLf0UpFovoDS0SzFkPybgVUSWps X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4wDaxMeAbnifdjetemd0VXbF9VPfQY6diQnTj7O+78i5Rqr0eoWbgurOPPfuQHWVE53n3IODEfkuY8/0bfzUc= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fb9a:0:b0:506:741e:5c14 with SMTP id e26-20020a50fb9a000000b00506741e5c14mr6042857edq.30.1684435905619; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:51:45 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Development of Emulators of other operating systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-emulation List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:51:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How is this possible To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMfGB738Jz3hjC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:48=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wrot= e: > > If you create a ramdisk and build there it will be even faster.. > assuming space is enough (kernel should go, not sure about world).. I > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end storage networking) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --=20 Aryeh M. 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I > > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) > > See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) > backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). > As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 > or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end > storage networking) True :-) I have additional nvme pci-e controller and fast nvme drive as my OS storage.. on an older machine.. it really blows my sock off (faster than SATA SSD).. but the raidz2 uses WD RED Pro 4x4TB HDD for more important stuff and zfs stripe on WD RED 2x2TB as scratchpad :-P It would be good to know the VM (bhyve?) and host fs (ZFS?) and the vm fs (UFS?) :-) I have noticed after switching to ZFS that my raid was a lot faster on UFS.. but I had consistency errors on crash which now I do not have with ZFS and I have really nice features now for instance snapshots and amazingly flexible pools allocation :-) Yet another crazy idea: have you tried running that vm directly from a ramdisk/tmpfs? 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I > > > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > > > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) > > > > See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) > > backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). > > As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 > > or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end > > storage networking) > > True :-) I have additional nvme pci-e controller and fast nvme drive > as my OS storage.. on an older machine.. it really blows my sock off > (faster than SATA SSD).. but the raidz2 uses WD RED Pro 4x4TB HDD for > more important stuff and zfs stripe on WD RED 2x2TB as scratchpad :-P See below for ZFS problems... we purposely decided to not do anything fancier then mirroring and only then so one the drives can safely be backed up > > It would be good to know the VM (bhyve?) and host fs (ZFS?) and the vm > fs (UFS?) :-) I have noticed after switching to ZFS that my raid was a > lot faster on UFS.. but I had consistency errors on crash which now I > do not have with ZFS and I have really nice features now for instance > snapshots and amazingly flexible pools allocation :-) The machine this is replacing (hard crashed a few days ago) was ZFS and frankly ZFS posed more of a problem then a solution for restoring at the virtual drive level (zpool scrub cleared the error but corrupted the virtual drive then once I get the OS reinstalled it started spontaniously rebooting while doing a make -j12 DESTDIR=3D/ and thus the new machine).... due to problems with ZFS I decided to use UFS this time and rely of more traditional backups the ZFS as primary backups --=20 Aryeh M. 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