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[90.112.30.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 20-20020a05600c025400b004065e235417sm10058783wmj.21.2023.11.12.00.46.20 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:46:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <89e0bc79-8d79-448f-b391-19f2f91ca1b2@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 09:46:18 +0100 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Trying initial boot of FreeBSD (main so: 15) of Ryzen 9 7950X3D on an ASUS Prime X670-P WIFI: various dmesg -a lines; more To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <4165447c9324f1ab40f9b25121acc912@mail.infomaniak.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Paul Floyd In-Reply-To: <4165447c9324f1ab40f9b25121acc912@mail.infomaniak.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::333:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SSmPV50f3z4bJj X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 04-11-23 21:10, Daniel Engberg wrote: > > AM5 works pretty well in general but there are some issues you might > want to be aware of. As mentioned this > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=272507 > seems to > A word of advice, you'll need a beefy CPU cooler for the 95W+ "rated" > CPUs as they boost very aggressively and mid-sized air cooler might > cause it to throttle. Most Asus boards also supports ECC memory which > can be a nice feature. I'm not too woried about that yet. > Here's a good round-up of most if not all available models. > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit#gid=0 > > I'm personally happy with my ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR with 128Gb of ECC > memory (4 x MTC20C2085S1EC48BR) however be aware that you'll see much > slower memory clocks with 4 memory sticks especially dual rank due to > how DDR5 and current memory controllers works. Using the latest BIOS > available as of writing (1710) breaks SATA and USB among a few other > things while 1602 works fine. I was thinking of the ProArt but strangely it only has input DisplayPort. Choosing a motherboard does seem to be the hardest bit. A lot seem to be expensive and flashy for gamers. At the moment I'm down to a list of 3 MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk Looks good but I'm a bit put off by bad reviews on youtube and amazon regarding quality ASRock X670E Pro RS Again not glowing reviews but it does have 6 sata ports 'just in casse' ASUS Prime X670E-Pro Much like the MSI Tomahawk A+ Paul From nobody Sun Nov 12 10:35:47 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SSpqq6ygsz50rZS for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net) Received: from smtp-190b.mail.infomaniak.ch (smtp-190b.mail.infomaniak.ch [185.125.25.11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "relay.mail.infomaniak.ch", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SSpqq4Vlxz3MT9 for ; 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Never looked into their lineup due to lack of a decent built= in NIC. You can get a separate one but it's still an additional cost and = takes of at least one PCIe slot. ASRock boards in general appears to= be a bit rough around the edges (both hardware design and BIOS) especial= ly low-mid range models, their premium tiers gets great reviews though. I= would really think twice about getting a board with only one slot that h= as more lanes than 1x in terms of "full size" PCIe slots and you're again= stuck with the Realtek NIC. As you said, the Asus board is pretty m= uch like the MSI one however I don't see why you'd go for that over the T= UF Gaming X670E-Plus which is pretty much the same board with some very m= inor changes such as no optical output (quite a bit cheaper though). = The ProArt board also has a HDMI output? :-) https://www.asus.com/m= otherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-x670e-creator-wifi/ = Best regards, Daniel --_=_swift_1699785347_1de00a13a7fe2212ef5463bbb1426e2f_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2023-11-12T09:46:18.000+01:00, Paul Floyd <paulf2718@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
On 04-=
11-23 21:10, Daniel Engberg wrote:

  
 AM5 works pretty well in general b=
ut there are some issues you might 
 want to be aware of. As =
mentioned this 
 
<=
div>  A word of advice, you'll need a beefy CPU cooler for the 95W+ "rated"=
CPUs as they boost very aggressively and mid-sized air coo= ler might
cause it to throttle. Most Asus boards also suppo= rts ECC memory which
can be a nice feature.
I'm not too woried about that yet.

Here's a good round-up of most if not= all available models.
=
I'm personally happy with my ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR with= 128Gb of ECC
memory (4 x MTC20C2085S1EC48BR) however be aw= are that you'll see much
slower memory clocks with 4 memory= sticks especially dual rank due to
how DDR5 and current me= mory controllers works. Using the latest BIOS
available as = of writing (1710) breaks SATA and USB among a few other
thi= ngs while 1602 works fine.

I was= thinking of the ProArt but strangely it only has input
Disp= layPort. Choosing a motherboard does seem to be the hardest bit. A
lot seem to be expensive and flashy for gamers.

At the moment I'm down to a list of 3

MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk
Looks good but I'm a bit put off by b= ad reviews on youtube and amazon
regarding quality
=

ASRock X670E Pro RS
Again not glowing rev= iews but it does have 6 sata ports 'just in casse'

=
ASUS Prime X670E-Pro
Much like the MSI Tomahawk


A+
Paul
The MSI board looks decent I guess, the x16/x4/x2 lay= out isn't great but it's not horrible either depending on your use case. Ne= ver looked into their lineup due to lack of a decent builtin NIC. You can g= et a separate one but it's still an additional cost and takes of at least o= ne PCIe slot.

ASRock boards in general appears= to be a bit rough around the edges (both hardware design and BIOS) especia= lly low-mid range models, their premium tiers gets great reviews though. I = would really think twice about getting a board with only one slot that has = more lanes than 1x in terms of "full size" PCIe slots and you're again stuc= k with the Realtek NIC.

As you said, the Asus = board is pretty much like the MSI one however I don't see why you'd go for = that over the TUF Gaming X670E-Plus which is pretty much the same board wit= h some very minor changes such as no optical output (quite a bit cheaper th= ough).

The ProArt board also has a HDMI output= ? :-)

Best regards,
Daniel
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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/11/2023 00:26, Ed Maste wrote: > … helloSystem … has already gone down this path, > so the first step is to see what they've tried and what works for > them. 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On 07/11/2023 00:26, Ed Maste wrote:
… helloSystem … has already gone down this path,
so the first step is to see what they've tried and what works for
them.
Cross-reference: <https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/discussions/1235>
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Yes, the silly NIC (where do you find 2.5 Gb/s hubs?) is irritating, but I need 2 NICs anyway, so putting in a second wasn't an issue. I also couldn't find any motherboard that fitted the other requirements and didn't have this NIC. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 44d90cca8eef67edc156aadfbf32dbbe; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 02:01:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Ryzen 9 7950X3D bulk -a times: adding an example with SMT disabled (so 16 hardware threads, not 32) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:00:46 -0800 References: <88907269-7ECD-4539-AA3D-AD0A31B13CA7@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Hackers , FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <88907269-7ECD-4539-AA3D-AD0A31B13CA7@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4596CD14-82EF-4213-9CD8-D065A2F7E073@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.47 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STCMQ4B4Kz3Tvf X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Nov 9, 2023, at 17:26, Mark Millard wrote: > Reading some benchmark results for compilation activity that showed = some > SMT vs. not examples and also using my C++ variant of the old HINT > benchmark, I ended up curious how a non-SMT from scratch bulk -a would > end up (ZFS context) compared my prior SMT based run. >=20 > I use a high load average style of bulk -a activity that has = USE_TMPFS=3Dall > involved. The system has 96 GiBytes of RAM (total across the 2 DIMMs). > The original under 1.5 day time definitely had significant swap space = use > (RAM+SWAP =3D 96 GiBYtes + 364 GiBytes =3D=3D 460 GiBytes =3D=3D = 471040 MiBytes). > The media was (and is) a PCIe based Optane 905P 1.5T. ZFS on a single > partition on the single drive, ZFS used just for bectl reasons, not = other > typical use-ZFS reasons. I've not controlled the ARC size-range = explicitly. >=20 > So less swap partition use is part of contribution to the results. >=20 > The original bulk -a spent a couple of hours at the end where it was > just fetching and building textproc/stardict-quick . I have not = cleared > out /usr/ports/distfiles or updated anything. >=20 > So fetch time is also a difference here. >=20 > SMT (32 hardware threads, original bulk -a): >=20 > [33:10:00] [32] [04:37:23] Finished emulators/libretro-mame | = libretro-mame-20220124_1: Success > [35:36:51] [23] [03:44:04] Finished textproc/stardict-quick | = stardict-quick-2.4.2_9: Success > . . . > [main-amd64-bulk_a-default] [2023-11-01_07h14m50s] [committing:] = Queued: 34683 Built: 33826 Failed: 179 Skipped: 358 Ignored: 320 = Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time: 35:37:55 >=20 > Swap-involved MaxObs (Max Observed) figures: > 173310Mi MaxObsUsed > 256332Mi MaxObs(Act+Lndry+SwapUsed) > 265551Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) > (So 265551Mi of 471040Mi RAM+SWAP.) >=20 > Just-RAM MaxObs figures: > 81066Mi MaxObsActive > (Given the complications of getting usefully comparable wired figures = for ZFS (ARC): omit.) > 94493Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry) >=20 > Note: MaxObs(A+B+C) <=3D MaxObs(A)+MaxObs(B)+MaxObs(C) >=20 > ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes was used. No explicit restriction on = PARALLEL_JOBS > or MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER (or analogous). So 32 builders allowed, each = allowed > 32 make jobs. This explains the high load averages of the bulk -a : >=20 > load averages . . . MaxObs: 360.70, 267.63, 210.84 > (Those need not be all from the same time frame during the bulk -a .) >=20 > As for the ports vintage: >=20 > # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-commit.sh -C /usr/ports/ > 6ec8e3450b29 (HEAD -> main, freebsd/main, freebsd/HEAD) devel/sdts++: = Mark DEPRECATED > Author: Muhammad Moinur Rahman > Commit: Muhammad Moinur Rahman > CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 > branch: main > merge-base: 6ec8e3450b29462a590d09fb0b07ed214d456bd5 > merge-base: CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 > n637598 (--first-parent --count for merge-base) >=20 > I do have a environment that avoids various LLVM builds taking > as long to build : >=20 > llvm1[3-7] : no MLIR, no FLANG > llvm1[4-7] : use BE_NATIVE > other llvm* : use defaults (so, no avoidance) >=20 > I also prevent the builds from using strip on most of the install > materials built (not just toolchain materials). >=20 >=20 > non-SMT (16 hardware threads): >=20 > Note one builder (math/fricas), the last still present, was > stuck and I had to kill processes to have it stop unless I > was willing to wiat for my large timeout figures. The last > builder normal-finish was: >=20 > [39:48:10] [09] [00:16:23] Finished devel/gcc-msp430-ti-toolchain | = gcc-msp430-ti-toolchain-9.3.1.2.20210722_1: Success >=20 > So, trying to place some bounds for comparing to SMT (32 hw threads) > and non-SMT (16 hw threads): >=20 > 33:10:00 SMT -> 39:48:10 non-SMT would be over 6.5 hrs longer for = non-SMT > 35:36:51 SMT -> 39:48:10 non-SMT would be over 4 hrs longer for = non-SMT >=20 > As for SMT vs. non-SMT Maximum Observed figures: >=20 > SMT load averages . . . MaxObs: 360.70, 267.63, 210.84 > non-SMT load averages . . . MaxObs: 152.89, 100.94, 76.28 >=20 > Swap-involved MaxObs figures for SMT (32 hw threads) vs not (16): > 173310Mi vs. 33003Mi MaxObsUsed > 256332Mi vs. 117221Mi MaxObs(Act+Lndry+SwapUsed) > 265551Mi vs. 124776Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) >=20 > Just-RAM MaxObs figures for SMT (32 hw threads) vs not (16): > 81066Mi vs. 69763Mi MaxObsActive > (Given the complications of getting usefully comparable wired figures = for ZFS (ARC): omit.) > 94493Mi vs. 94303Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry) >=20 I've added a section for a plot for the 7950X3D to the end of: = https://github.com/markmi/acpphint/blob/master/Some_acpphint_curves_with_n= otes.md It is from a C++ variant of the old HINT benchmark and includes showing RAM caching consequences for the benchmark. The about 32 MiByte and about 96 MiByte cache sizes for the 2 CCDs are observable. I'll also note that for the devices present (active and not), at fully active the 7950X3D seems to use 225 Watts .. 235 Watts at the power cable for FreeBSD. Idle FreeBSD: more like 96 Watts. (No video card. 2 forms of Optane 905P 1.5TB, one active. One Samsung 960 Pro 2TB, inactive. One Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB, inactive. 96 GiBytes of RAM total across 2 DIMMs. Fans and AIO cooling. Keyboard and mouse USB powered. USB3 Ethernet dongle. Monitor connection.) ThreadRipper 1950X "bulk -a" test in progress: I'm running a from-scratch USE_TMPFS=3Dall "bulk -a" on the ThreadRipper 1950X (128 GiBytes of RAM). =46rom what I've seen so far, it looks to likely take over 72 hr, so 2x+ as long as the 7950X3D. (Samgsung 960 Pro 1TB system media and Optane 900 480 GB swap space media in use, 447 GiByte I as I remember). The ZFS partition on the 960 Pro has ashift=3D14 .) It has a slightly modified copy of the ZFS from the 7950X3D as far as starting content goes. 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module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29222, ipnet:2001:1600::/32, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STJMF5W4Sz4VmY --_=_swift_1699854370_151ed1b5b690d6abc2951de760cba95c_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2023-11-13T00:22:31.000+01:00, Greg 'groggy' Lehey = wrote: >=C2=A0On=C2=A0Sunday,=C2=A012=C2=A0November=C2=A02023=C2=A0at= =C2=A013:49:49=C2=A0+0100,=C2=A0Paul=C2=A0Floyd=C2=A0wrote: >>=C2=A0= =C2=A0On=C2=A012-11-23=C2=A011:35,=C2=A0Daniel=C2=A0Engberg=C2=A0wrote: >= >=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0On=C2=A0Sunday,=C2=A012=C2=A0November= =C2=A02023=C2=A0at=C2=A09:46:18=C2=A0+0100,=C2=A0Paul=C2=A0Floyd=C2=A0wrote= : >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MSI=C2=A0MAG=C2= =A0X670E=C2=A0Tomahawk >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0The=C2=A0MSI=C2=A0board=C2=A0looks=C2=A0decent=C2=A0I=C2=A0guess,= =C2=A0the=C2=A0x16/x4/x2=C2=A0layout=C2=A0isn't >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0grea= t=C2=A0but >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0it's=C2= =A0not=C2=A0horrible=C2=A0either=C2=A0depending=C2=A0on=C2=A0your=C2=A0use= =C2=A0case.=C2=A0Never >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0looked=C2=A0into >>>=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0their=C2=A0lineup=C2=A0due= =C2=A0to=C2=A0lack=C2=A0of=C2=A0a=C2=A0decent=C2=A0builtin=C2=A0NIC.=C2= =A0You=C2=A0can=C2=A0get=C2=A0a >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0separate >>>=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0one=C2=A0but=C2=A0it's=C2= =A0still=C2=A0an=C2=A0additional=C2=A0cost=C2=A0and=C2=A0takes=C2=A0of= =C2=A0at=C2=A0least=C2=A0one >>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0PCIe=C2=A0slot. >= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0FWIW,=C2=A0I've=C2=A0just=C2=A0got=C2=A0a=C2=A0machine= =C2=A0with=C2=A0this=C2=A0motherboard.=C2=A0It=C2=A0seemed=C2=A0the >= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0best=C2=A0option=C2=A0available=C2=A0to=C2=A0me=C2=A0at= =C2=A0the=C2=A0time,=C2=A0and=C2=A0I=C2=A0haven't=C2=A0had=C2=A0any >= =C2=A0issues >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0with=C2=A0it.=C2=A0Yes,=C2=A0the=C2=A0silly= =C2=A0NIC=C2=A0(where=C2=A0do=C2=A0you=C2=A0find=C2=A02.5=C2=A0Gb/s=C2= =A0hubs?)=C2=A0is >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0irritating,=C2=A0but=C2=A0I=C2=A0need= =C2=A02=C2=A0NICs=C2=A0anyway,=C2=A0so=C2=A0putting=C2=A0in=C2=A0a=C2=A0sec= ond=C2=A0wasn't >=C2=A0an >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0issue.=C2=A0I=C2=A0also= =C2=A0couldn't=C2=A0find=C2=A0any=C2=A0motherboard=C2=A0that=C2=A0fitted= =C2=A0the=C2=A0other >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0requirements=C2=A0and=C2=A0didn't= =C2=A0have=C2=A0this=C2=A0NIC. >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0Greg >=C2=A0 >=C2= =A0-- >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0Sent=C2=A0from=C2=A0my=C2=A0desktop=C2=A0computer.= >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0See=C2=A0complete=C2=A0headers=C2=A0for=C2=A0address= =C2=A0and=C2=A0phone=C2=A0numbers. >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0This=C2=A0message= =C2=A0is=C2=A0digitally=C2=A0signed.=C2=A0If=C2=A0your=C2=A0Microsoft=C2= =A0mail=C2=A0program >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0reports=C2=A0problems,=C2=A0please= =C2=A0read=C2=A0http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php Hi, Nice! So the = sata controller gets initialized correctly even on newer BIOS versions? D= oes the Realtek NIC work ootb or do you need to use the driver in ports t= ree? 2.5G switches aren't that uncommon these days, https://www.zyxe= l.com/global/en/products/switch/5-8-port-2-5gbe-unmanaged-switch-mg100-seri= es https://www.zyxel.com/global/en/products/switch/12-port-unmanaged-m= ulti-gigabit-switch-with-2-port-2-5g-and-2-port-10g-sfp-xgs1010-12 htt= ps://www.zyxel.com/global/en/products/switch/12-port-web-managed-multi-giga= bit-switch-with-2-port-2-5g-and-2-port-10g-sfp-xgs1210-12 https://www.= zyxel.com/global/en/products/switch/12-port-web-managed-multi-gigabit-switc= h-includes-3-port-10g-and-1-port-10g-sfp-xgs1250-12 https://www.zyxel.= com/global/en/products/switch/24-port-2-5g-multi-gig-lite-l3-smart-managed-= switch-with-6-10g-uplinks-xmg1930-series https://www.netgear.com/busin= ess/wired/switches/unmanaged/ms105/ https://geizhals.de/?cat=3Dswitchg= i&xf=3D13266_2G5 Just to mention a few :) Best regards, Dani= el --_=_swift_1699854370_151ed1b5b690d6abc2951de760cba95c_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2023-11-13T00:22:31.000+01:00, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD= .org> wrote:
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On Sunday, 12 November 2023 at 13:49:49 +0100, Paul Floyd wrote:
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  On 12-11-23 11:35, Daniel Engberg w=
rote:
 
 On S=
unday, 12 November 2023 at  9:46:18 +0100, Paul Floyd wrote:
 
 MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk
 
 The MSI board looks decent I gue=
ss, the x16/x4/x2 layout isn't great but
 it's not horrible e=
ither depending on your use case. Never looked into
 their li=
neup due to lack of a decent builtin NIC. You can get a separate
<=
div> one but it's still an additional cost and takes of at least one PCIe s=
lot.

FWIW, I've jus= t got a machine with this motherboard. It seemed the
best op= tion available to me at the time, and I haven't had any issues
with it. Yes, the silly NIC (where do you find 2.5 Gb/s hubs?) is
irritating, but I need 2 NICs anyway, so putting in a second wasn't= an
issue. I also couldn't find any motherboard that fitted = the other
requirements and didn't have this NIC.

Greg
--
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Hi,

Nice!= So the sata controller gets initialized correctly even on newer BIOS versi= ons? Does the Realtek NIC work ootb or do you need to use the driver in por= ts tree? 2.5G switches aren't that uncommon these days,

<= /div>


=

Just to mention a few :)

Best regards= ,
Daniel

--_=_swift_1699854370_151ed1b5b690d6abc2951de760cba95c_=_-- From nobody Mon Nov 13 06:27:02 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4STKGP6tFrz51GQQ for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 06:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4STKGP4xgtz4bt6 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 06:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2861D27FF6; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 06:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1CA2635CC; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:27:02 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:27:02 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Daniel Engberg Cc: Paul Floyd , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Motherboards for Ryzen 9 (was: ...) Message-ID: <20231113062702.GF20387@eureka.lemis.com> References: <4165447c9324f1ab40f9b25121acc912@mail.infomaniak.com> <89e0bc79-8d79-448f-b391-19f2f91ca1b2@gmail.com> <20231112232231.GA17115@eureka.lemis.com> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mrJd9p1Ce66CJMxE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.32.64.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STKGP4xgtz4bt6 --mrJd9p1Ce66CJMxE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 6:46:10 +0100, Daniel Engberg wrote: > On 2023-11-13T00:22:31.000+01:00, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Sunday, 12 November 2023 at 13:49:49 +0100, Paul Floyd wrote: >>> On 12-11-23 11:35, Daniel Engberg wrote: >>>> On Sunday, 12 November 2023 at 9:46:18 +0100, Paul Floyd wrote: >>>>> MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk >> >> FWIW, I've just got a machine with this motherboard. It seemed the >> best option available to me at the time, and I haven't had any >> issues with it. Yes, the silly NIC (where do you find 2.5 Gb/s >> hubs?) is irritating, but I need 2 NICs anyway, so putting in a >> second wasn't an issue. I also couldn't find any motherboard that >> fitted the other requirements and didn't have this NIC. > > Nice! So the sata controller gets initialized correctly even on newer > BIOS versions? Oh. I don't have any SATA devices, so I can't say for sure, but this looks concerning: pcib19: at device 13.0 on pci11 pcib19: failed to allocate initial memory window: 0xfb200000-0xfb3fffff pci19: on pcib19 ahci0: mem 0xfb800000-0xfb8003ff at device 0.0 on pci19 ahci0: AHCI controller reset failure device_attach: ahci0 attach returned 6 On the other hand, I also have: pcib21: at device 13.0 on pci4 pcib21: failed to allocate initial memory window: 0xfb800000-0xfb8fffff pci21: on pcib21 ahci0: mem 0xfbb00000-0xfbb003ff at device 0.0 on pci21 ahci0: AHCI v1.31 with 6 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich2: at channel 2 on ahci0 ahcich3: at channel 3 on ahci0 So at some later date, when I want to connect SATA drives, I may run into issues. > Does the Realtek NIC work ootb or do you need to use the driver in > ports tree? It doesn't work OOTB. As I said, I have a second NIC, and that's what I'm using. I'm planning to try the Realtek NIC later, but currently I'm trying to catch up on 10 years of main desktop configuration and multiple monitors. The old machine still works, so I'm planning to take my time and "do it right", which could take weeks. > 2.5G switches aren't that uncommon these days, > > ... Thanks for the info. The NIC also does 1000baseT, right? Since this is the only machine that's faster, it doesn't help much, so I'll use 1000baseT. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Never looked into >>> their lineup due to lack of a decent builtin NIC. You can get a separate >>> one but it's still an additional cost and takes of at least one PCIe slot. > > FWIW, I've just got a machine with this motherboard. It seemed the > best option available to me at the time, and I haven't had any issues > with it. Yes, the silly NIC (where do you find 2.5 Gb/s hubs?) is > irritating, but I need 2 NICs anyway, so putting in a second wasn't an > issue. I also couldn't find any motherboard that fitted the other > requirements and didn't have this NIC. Hi Greg, the 2.5 Gbit/s NIC is downwards compatible with 1 Gbit/s Ethernet and while there is not much supporting equipment, it is no worse than a 1 Gbit/s NIC in practice. 10 Gbit/s is too expensive (due to chip and board complexities) and to power-hungry for integration on typical PC mainboards (given the high cost of 10 Gbit/s switches, hardly anybody could make good use of them outside a datacenter environment, anyway). You do probably know that the Realtek RTL8125 chip is supported by the official Realtek driver in ports (realtek-re-kmod package). Too bad that Realtek does not publish programming information for this chip. There are open source drivers that support it, but they do not fit well into FreeBSD and they do not provide sufficient information to make the FreeBSD Realtek 1 Gbit/s NIT driver support the 2.5 Gbit/s chip ... (I had started a merge of the code for the new chip into our kernel driver, but there was not enough information about the PHY and other details and I gave up.) Every few month I look for a publicly available databook with the necessary details (full register description, reset sequence etc.) for the RTL8125 chips on the sites that tend to provide such information, but nothing has appeared there, yet. Best regards, STefan From nobody Mon Nov 13 16:37:48 2023 X-Original-To: hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4STZqM46MTz51MQk for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbo@insane.engineer) Received: from mail-4018.proton.ch (mail-4018.proton.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4STZqK1x6lz3gdl for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbo@insane.engineer) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=insane.engineer header.s=protonmail2 header.b=SoLU0av0; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jbo@insane.engineer designates 185.70.40.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jbo@insane.engineer; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=insane.engineer DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=insane.engineer; s=protonmail2; t=1699893481; x=1700152681; bh=4JuogzTJ2tMKjC1kqBOXxEM+goi9egTu7pfZFugBoss=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=SoLU0av0ykGZ82cs7a8UrbCG33phnqUoOMSEXU1+L8eQIMyO/7BYFOHMnDDIXzjTE d6/wkVj2KLhd3G729f0yfrAzNblPNGSwM8P/BHbMKxa7WgDQzeSfi21WDuHmHtx86y 5XMzotAjeVjHnwsSnhrRQLBPO9h2FpApzgg8KedA+5h/XGPUPURbw65igk0QhkEHwu 2rt25Wt+HVxZzvc6vjLU3uvMP9wGnIXYIoRexEvFO8uCmxB7kZLm1Rn5r66TS1k2WY hbMGaxWaMP6OjPF7XKAyTq8I56TD2hBxCo9tDhcEG5dxUMtWNAU9BTc7u01y0zfp3q MKwqEodagTt9A== Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:37:48 +0000 To: "hackers@freebsd.org" From: jbo@insane.engineer Subject: RISC-V 32-bit GDB Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 40997969:user:proton List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.39 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[insane.engineer,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[185.70.40.18:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[insane.engineer:s=protonmail2]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[insane.engineer:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jbo]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STZqK1x6lz3gdl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Hi, I'm about to do some work on a RISC-V 32-Bit based system. 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Best regards, ~ jbo From nobody Mon Nov 13 17:18:53 2023 X-Original-To: hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4STbkV2hV0z4cW14 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4STbkT6HRDz4MJY for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garyj@gmx.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1699895934; x=1700500734; i=garyj@gmx.de; bh=n+l6hOvqvq/Q8wD4+sqOSWwuyXenMok9Bu/PuZkdtJs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Reply-To; b=l6RlPtgsbfMO49nmAK1S/BdLwjKF05Xfira1dVmdvKcb7dits3XbZpXr1QSsAC0x xUDSJSy1K5vxh1rijv0458TsUJECYVg+vHQXS8YMPhQ/ZM4KNKBTywGBFVvGSlS0k bAo9sJqPcANc6fg3sSh0PFRyOHKukHiFOgHwBuVUTtszZSyC2LT4hV0kszafd5xpJ Vu68MyJZWCYzxkklA5pbuJItnHx8YibiTE6pLHF0Kph5D1XbM6aEUFINRwpY54F7p 6hDS7je1/AYiq3Goh43nF8gN/jMFfI2nNeJm06Ya0De5h5/SX95hGrpJa829rp4Dc SCUV/G579TrQWccgrw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from ernst.home ([217.226.57.134]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MRTRH-1qhstv1yA1-00NPkJ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 18:18:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:18:53 +0000 From: Gary Jennejohn To: jbo@insane.engineer Cc: "hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RISC-V 32-bit GDB Message-ID: <20231113181853.66af2f1f@ernst.home> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: garyj@gmx.de X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0qIhp9/gAvvWowk317zruSXeiOSoNUg2eIV8ccdhHBP3sfB5saT Vb7jvQjJO/RviD315Tvyx0bSfrahmdtzG+sZxSpqAJxyIZAv7LryAIAk1G28yf43vtRkKkq j6+fvINy1PIlextdzQDQTPcVvTTgODwZbR//qis1Sy9YNZLrOApHSGNYZS6foxt/bOOzvQO 4gDtnavB9dCJ0psD9Z+hw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:oKVXXo0/8SM=;o8RONGemV0C75pp86U86eNYLYHm AcZ5GSp7/wCKqy3ibnSkIDwmThW4GrJvfqLbnsTgCoGjC7bf+HWseLeHw0pYZKrQOIiYRlxGA 0QRffFnafvBeokHVOWMGCsUFl+Dz0YHGgSoVhl2Cz3U0G9SwCIG+QU/Y1x1qVzrpN69Dl5o/S ZmL0tafa7ox0Uecgple7psaXvOJWeaxZvZRLAqxfdQ8E8WhHxfcsy64CouJzFZlXgNJAOPtV6 B7giKyjNAip5dSD+ZqcxPZ3KlwTwtwlZq/Q9lrUP9vHOC+/N5aSem7EzDS+ZBkzJb9BrtPdWH 8Rr4KY4yh8rFqqjptpHOfbxUo4LYHgSqX3vYIS2NdFWxIKLIwsN/SN0BtdVRstpaXty7NCSMd 2GGfc//1TELxY0y+QiRZKsDO3zNBgFs2R4pLKIgNZzv1N5wvDIKVdKThLejKqDTYSVg/cibLg RF7mx/l4tc+Nc7tEOWIPWzNeO9JxlGiI8lz3E0WHTxuiWHnkftIg5yGVYkXhTpiSArDO6ygub ScG13ghuhc1tjM5AAV7xHHKZptroTgAULQKThKcxWi9GhHtaZk078FQDLgHvLCL9QXKVqKxFW 74xjjSxJ6Y/2+C9r0IjraPGEcdWbLHiKzzY+z40gGMDzzyxJ26RwASvC7RgOZC4xFHB6iIBk/ 7O6HbPcE1LTTg8FDFVPBRHE5vnRTKW2+lV7Sd6eJn15c18pXQdPpv+7U0ttlaNlmscWJuRwMV Xh5MOHJwl3U8KIXXSgojQp5VYsCAliTgsVsUdnCL7jtkVstXgwz9MczDKv9WQ6dj72IN7ncIM DWgJVG5jL1vKeZqiWtCbRllP8CH5+tTDGDanYeXkhWDhfCdM/DYCWgZtUAiU3r9Jrb9V5Mx0A dIwH9qAl4YNgbGEvqtlj6Uaov1sE3ss8EHG48v7KYBb8aAeDkFpEYuqoXcKDkMuDG/+uFx0/n Xgc8zjKudawoSrOFFvtJ3S7azOw= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STbkT6HRDz4MJY On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:37:48 +0000 jbo@insane.engineer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm about to do some work on a RISC-V 32-Bit based system. While I won't > be running FreeBSD on the device, I'd like to keep FreeBSD as my host > development environment. > > I noticed that we have devel/riscv32-unknown-elf-gcc in ports. However, > I'd also need a suitable instance of GDB. > > On Debian, the gdb-multiarch package provides a sufficiently multiarch'd > version of GDB. Do we have something similar available? > Well, /usr/ports/devel/gdb has these files: files/kgdb/aarch64-fbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/amd64fbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/arm-fbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/i386fbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/mipsfbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/ppcfbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/riscv-fbsd-kern.c files/kgdb/sparc64fbsd-kern.c which are copied to the gdb build directory, so RISC-V might work if you use kgdb. =2D- Gary Jennejohn From nobody Mon Nov 13 21:28:59 2023 X-Original-To: hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4STjH643TQz50lDw for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4STjH61ptlz3Pn3 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id 5E3243C019A; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:28:59 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: jbo@insane.engineer Cc: "hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: RISC-V 32-bit GDB Message-ID: References: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:199.48.128.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4STjH61ptlz3Pn3 On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 04:37:48PM +0000, jbo@insane.engineer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm about to do some work on a RISC-V 32-Bit based system. While I won't > be running FreeBSD on the device, I'd like to keep FreeBSD as my host > development environment. > > I noticed that we have devel/riscv32-unknown-elf-gcc in ports. However, > I'd also need a suitable instance of GDB. > > On Debian, the gdb-multiarch package provides a sufficiently multiarch'd > version of GDB. Do we have something similar available? 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[209.85.167.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q11-20020a9d7c8b000000b006c4d6a06a94sm251989otn.76.2023.11.14.08.31.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3b6c31e604cso3502432b6e.2; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:aca:1815:0:b0:3b6:cb49:e6d4 with SMTP id h21-20020aca1815000000b003b6cb49e6d4mr9638476oih.57.1699979496643; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 08:31:36 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202310250103.39P13maS040503@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <93ae484b-0f67-4f8b-829d-f75162afd680@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:31:23 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ventoy support To: Ed Maste Cc: Warner Losh , FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000005e56e060a1f526e" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::334:from,209.85.167.178:received]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVBdR6vJyz4GK7 X-Spamd-Bar: --- --00000000000005e56e060a1f526e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Another useful tool like Ventoy is Netboot.xyz anyone knows that one? https://netboot.xyz/ -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --00000000000005e56e060a1f526e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another useful tool like Ventoy is Netboot.xyz anyone kno= ws that one?

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Grimes" Message-Id: <202311141719.3AEHJqak031756@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Ventoy support In-Reply-To: To: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:19:52 -0800 (PST) CC: Ed Maste , Warner Losh , FreeBSD Hackers X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10494, ipnet:65.75.216.0/23, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVCjR2QmJz4bV4 > Another useful tool like Ventoy is Netboot.xyz anyone knows that one? > > https://netboot.xyz/ Yes, I have also used that in the past, infact my locally hosted network booting is based on a early version of that hacked up a fair bit. > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org From nobody Wed Nov 15 16:56:36 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVq7y2mrVz50VSj for ; 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Hello hackers, sorry to bother you if this a wrong mail-list.

The last time I submitted a port was many years ago. Not sure, if I did everything alright this time, because it is stuck since February. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269460 . Anything I can do to get a feedback or smth?

Best,

Mike

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The system has 96 GiBytes of RAM (total across the 2 = DIMMs). >> The original under 1.5 day time definitely had significant swap space = use >> (RAM+SWAP =3D 96 GiBYtes + 364 GiBytes =3D=3D 460 GiBytes =3D=3D = 471040 MiBytes). >> The media was (and is) a PCIe based Optane 905P 1.5T. ZFS on a single >> partition on the single drive, ZFS used just for bectl reasons, not = other >> typical use-ZFS reasons. I've not controlled the ARC size-range = explicitly. >>=20 >> So less swap partition use is part of contribution to the results. >>=20 >> The original bulk -a spent a couple of hours at the end where it was >> just fetching and building textproc/stardict-quick . I have not = cleared >> out /usr/ports/distfiles or updated anything. >>=20 >> So fetch time is also a difference here. >>=20 >> SMT (32 hardware threads, original bulk -a): >>=20 >> [33:10:00] [32] [04:37:23] Finished emulators/libretro-mame | = libretro-mame-20220124_1: Success >> [35:36:51] [23] [03:44:04] Finished textproc/stardict-quick | = stardict-quick-2.4.2_9: Success >> . . . >> [main-amd64-bulk_a-default] [2023-11-01_07h14m50s] [committing:] = Queued: 34683 Built: 33826 Failed: 179 Skipped: 358 Ignored: 320 = Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time: 35:37:55 >>=20 >> Swap-involved MaxObs (Max Observed) figures: >> 173310Mi MaxObsUsed >> 256332Mi MaxObs(Act+Lndry+SwapUsed) >> 265551Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) >> (So 265551Mi of 471040Mi RAM+SWAP.) >>=20 >> Just-RAM MaxObs figures: >> 81066Mi MaxObsActive >> (Given the complications of getting usefully comparable wired figures = for ZFS (ARC): omit.) >> 94493Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry) >>=20 >> Note: MaxObs(A+B+C) <=3D MaxObs(A)+MaxObs(B)+MaxObs(C) >>=20 >> ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes was used. No explicit restriction on = PARALLEL_JOBS >> or MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER (or analogous). So 32 builders allowed, each = allowed >> 32 make jobs. This explains the high load averages of the bulk -a : >>=20 >> load averages . . . MaxObs: 360.70, 267.63, 210.84 >> (Those need not be all from the same time frame during the bulk -a .) >>=20 >> As for the ports vintage: >>=20 >> # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-commit.sh -C /usr/ports/ >> 6ec8e3450b29 (HEAD -> main, freebsd/main, freebsd/HEAD) devel/sdts++: = Mark DEPRECATED >> Author: Muhammad Moinur Rahman >> Commit: Muhammad Moinur Rahman >> CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 >> branch: main >> merge-base: 6ec8e3450b29462a590d09fb0b07ed214d456bd5 >> merge-base: CommitDate: 2023-10-21 19:01:38 +0000 >> n637598 (--first-parent --count for merge-base) >>=20 >> I do have a environment that avoids various LLVM builds taking >> as long to build : >>=20 >> llvm1[3-7] : no MLIR, no FLANG >> llvm1[4-7] : use BE_NATIVE >> other llvm* : use defaults (so, no avoidance) >>=20 >> I also prevent the builds from using strip on most of the install >> materials built (not just toolchain materials). >>=20 >>=20 >> non-SMT (16 hardware threads): >>=20 >> Note one builder (math/fricas), the last still present, was >> stuck and I had to kill processes to have it stop unless I >> was willing to wiat for my large timeout figures. The last >> builder normal-finish was: >>=20 >> [39:48:10] [09] [00:16:23] Finished devel/gcc-msp430-ti-toolchain | = gcc-msp430-ti-toolchain-9.3.1.2.20210722_1: Success >>=20 >> So, trying to place some bounds for comparing to SMT (32 hw threads) >> and non-SMT (16 hw threads): >>=20 >> 33:10:00 SMT -> 39:48:10 non-SMT would be over 6.5 hrs longer for = non-SMT >> 35:36:51 SMT -> 39:48:10 non-SMT would be over 4 hrs longer for = non-SMT >>=20 >> As for SMT vs. non-SMT Maximum Observed figures: >>=20 >> SMT load averages . . . MaxObs: 360.70, 267.63, 210.84 >> non-SMT load averages . . . MaxObs: 152.89, 100.94, 76.28 >>=20 >> Swap-involved MaxObs figures for SMT (32 hw threads) vs not (16): >> 173310Mi vs. 33003Mi MaxObsUsed >> 256332Mi vs. 117221Mi MaxObs(Act+Lndry+SwapUsed) >> 265551Mi vs. 124776Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) >>=20 >> Just-RAM MaxObs figures for SMT (32 hw threads) vs not (16): >> 81066Mi vs. 69763Mi MaxObsActive >> (Given the complications of getting usefully comparable wired figures = for ZFS (ARC): omit.) >> 94493Mi vs. 94303Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry) >>=20 >=20 > I've added a section for a plot for the 7950X3D to the end of: >=20 > = https://github.com/markmi/acpphint/blob/master/Some_acpphint_curves_with_n= otes.md >=20 > It is from a C++ variant of the old HINT benchmark and includes > showing RAM caching consequences for the benchmark. The about > 32 MiByte and about 96 MiByte cache sizes for the 2 CCDs are > observable. >=20 > I'll also note that for the devices present (active and not), > at fully active the 7950X3D seems to use 225 Watts .. 235 Watts > at the power cable for FreeBSD. Idle FreeBSD: more like 96 > Watts. >=20 > (No video card. 2 forms of Optane 905P 1.5TB, one active. One > Samsung 960 Pro 2TB, inactive. One Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB, > inactive. 96 GiBytes of RAM total across 2 DIMMs. Fans and > AIO cooling. Keyboard and mouse USB powered. USB3 Ethernet > dongle. Monitor connection.) >=20 >=20 > ThreadRipper 1950X "bulk -a" test in progress: >=20 > I'm running a from-scratch USE_TMPFS=3Dall "bulk -a" on the > ThreadRipper 1950X (128 GiBytes of RAM). =46rom what I've seen > so far, it looks to likely take over 72 hr, so 2x+ as long > as the 7950X3D. (Samgsung 960 Pro 1TB system media and > Optane 900 480 GB swap space media in use, 447 GiByte I as I > remember). The ZFS partition on the 960 Pro has ashift=3D14 .) > It has a slightly modified copy of the ZFS from the 7950X3D > as far as starting content goes. It does have openzfs-2.2 > compatibility fully enabled for its pool, including block > cloning, unlike any other ZFS I have around > (openzfs-2.1-freebsd). ThreadRipper 1950X: . . . [85:21:50] [27] [02:06:01] Finished databases/mongodb60 | = mongodb60-6.0.11: Success [85:34:00] [28] [03:23:06] Finished biology/ncbi-cxx-toolkit | = ncbi-cxx-toolkit-27.0.0_1: Success [85:46:31] [30] [08:19:30] Finished cad/kicad-library-packages3d | = kicad-library-packages3d-7.0.2_2: Success [87:07:02] [03] [13:00:45] Finished emulators/libretro-mame | = libretro-mame-20220124_1: Success But one port that normally takes little time got stuck (in kqread, apparently against a child process), resulting in (later): # poudriere status -b [main-amd64-bulk_a-default] [2023-11-11_17h59m25s] [parallel_build:] = Queued: 34683 Built: 33807 Failed: 173 Skipped: 382 Ignored: 320 = Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 1 Time: 88:17:59 ID TOTAL ORIGIN PKGNAME PHASE PHASE TMPFS = CPU% MEM% [05] 17:27:25 ftp/curlie | curlie-1.6.7_15 check-sanity 17:27:15 1.28 = GiB =20 =3D>> Logs: = /usr/local/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/main-amd64-bulk_a-default/2023-11-11_1= 7h59m25s So it looks like: Ryzen 9 7950X 96 GiBytes RAM (5600MT/s): 33 hr or so. ThreadRipper 1950X 128 GiBytes RAM (2400MT/s): 87 hr or so. For reference (both 32 hardware threads): Ryzen 9 7950X: 265551Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) ThreadRipper 1950X: 245564Mi MaxObs(Act+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) (The 96 GiByte vs. 128 GiByte RAM size difference makes other figures messier to compare.) I have updated the 7950X UEFI and am rerunning the from-scratch bulk -a test in the ZFS context to check on system stability for such. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com