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* Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com> [20230820 05:52]:
> By the way,
>=20
> Felix Palmen wrote on 2023/08/18 03:00:
> >=20
> > .if ${ARCH} =3D=3D amd64
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D AMD64=3D"" NO_AMD64=3D"@comment _nonexisting/"
> > .else
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D AMD64=3D"@comment _nonexisting/" NO_AMD64=3D""
> > .endif
> > .if ${ARCH} =3D=3D aarch64
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D AARCH64=3D"" NO_AARCH64=3D"@comment _nonexisting/"
> > .else
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D AARCH64=3D"@comment _nonexisting/" NO_AARCH64=3D""
> > .endif
> > .if ${ARCH} =3D=3D i386
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D I386=3D"" NO_I386=3D"@comment _nonexisting/"
> > .else
> > PLIST_SUB+=3D I386=3D"@comment _nonexisting/" NO_I386=3D""
> > .endif
>=20
> Is the above written in zfbsd-ports/devel/linuxheaders44 ?
> That of the Building a Linuxulator userland from source thread.
Currently copy&pasted in several of these ports. It proved reliable with
testport to see if the pkg-plist is correct :) In case I get somewhere
with this project, I'll look into moving this to some USES.
Cheers, Felix
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* Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> [20230818 08:23]:
> I just reached a state where I can build a working Linux-native GNU
> toolchain (binutils, glibc, gcc) for C and C++ on aarch64, amd64 and
> i386. From here on, it should be simpler, there are already two ports in
> my branch (archivers/linux-bzip2 and archivers/linux-xz) using that
> native toolchain for building.
Just a little update on this, I *did* start building some "base"
userland now. What seems to work so far is GNU bash and coreutils,
including quite some libs used (gmp, acl, attr, libcap, openssl,
ncurses, readline).
I already had two metaports in my branch, linux_base-dirs (which will
just create and own the absolute minimum directory structure in
${LINUXBASE}) and linux-toolchain (which pulls in everything needed to
compile C and C++).
Now, I added a third metaport: "linux_base". This is incomplete of
course, it's where I want to collect all the bits and pieces for a
"base" Linuxulator userland as RUN_DEPENDS.
If anyone would like to already do some testing at this stage, please be
aware that I not only rebase my feature branch, but also rewrite it
while rebasing (to fix issues I encounter), and of course there won't be
any PORTREVISION bumps. Therefore, the safest thing to do is to remove
all linux*.pkg files from your poudriere repositories before trying a
newer version of the branch. The lxcross*.pkg packages can probably be
kept, I don't expect having to fix anything there.
Finally, I managed to sort out at least one of the open issues:
> - Building the final linux-gcc ports, I get weird error messages
> directly to poudriere's terminal (they do NOT appear in the build
> log!) like this:
> ELF interpreter /usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found, error 2
> I have no idea where this comes from, so far I couldn't identify any
> negative effect though.
I still don't know how/why it happened, but I now did what most Linux
distributions seem to do nowadays ... add symlinks in linux_base-dirs:
| /bin -> usr/bin
| /sbin -> usr/sbin
| /lib -> usr/lib
| /lib64 -> usr/lib64
There's just some "convincing" needed for glibc to install *all* files
below /usr, but all other packages now seem to "just work". So I assume
it's the only sane approach packaging some GNU/Linux userland. It
certainly makes sure the program interpreter is now also found below
/usr.
Cheers, Felix
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* Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> [20230820 12:35]:
> If anyone would like to already do some testing at this stage, please be
> aware that I not only rebase my feature branch, but also rewrite it
> while rebasing (to fix issues I encounter), and of course there won't be
> any PORTREVISION bumps. Therefore, the safest thing to do is to remove
> all linux*.pkg files from your poudriere repositories before trying a
> newer version of the branch. The lxcross*.pkg packages can probably be
> kept, I don't expect having to fix anything there.
I'm about to update my feature branch again and from now on, to build it
with poudriere, a patch will be needed.
Here's a quick and dirty patch against an *installed* poudriere-devel:
https://people.freebsd.org/~zirias/patches/poudriere-devel-linuxulator-buil=
d.patch
I guess my next priority should be to look into getting this (or maybe a
better, less "hacky" approach) into official poudriere...
Background is, right now, poudriere does not provide /compat/linux/dev
inside a building jail, but build systems at least need /dev/null quite
a lot. I'm about to add a port for "man-db", which will only build fine
using "bash" and "make" from inside linuxulator userland, so it needs
/dev available there.
Cheers, Felix
--=20
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Hello.
I only know enough about linuxulator that I can maintain print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2...
However...
I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and/or linux-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from being used.
I don't know enough to write here why it is, as noted above 🤣
If I can spend a little more time, I might write something.
Regards.
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From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 23:52:58 +0200
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
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Would be nice to have a linux userland such as nixos instead of ubuntu /
Centos. Can nixos be used ?
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:25=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hot=
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wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I only know enough about linuxulator that I can maintain
> print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2...
> However...
>
> I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and/or
> linux-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from bein=
g
> used.
> I don't know enough to write here why it is, as noted above =F0=9F=A4=A3
> If I can spend a little more time, I might write something.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Would be nice to have a linux userland such as nixos inste=
ad of ubuntu / Centos. Can nixos be used ?<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:25=
=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino <<a href=3D"mailto:tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com=
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,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello.<br>
<br>
I only know enough about linuxulator that I can maintain print/epson-inkjet=
-printer-escpr2...<br>
However...<br>
<br>
I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and/or linux=
-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from being used.=
<br>
I don't know enough to write here why it is, as noted above =F0=9F=A4=
=A3<br>
If I can spend a little more time, I might write something.<br>
<br>
Regards.<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 01:54:56 +0200
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
To: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
Cc: Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com>, ports@freebsd.org, emulation@freebsd.org
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-----> Ideally the userland should be choosable for example if you got GPU
passthrough to work on debian then odds are you could pass it through to
FreeBSD
I didn't understand well what you meant. Can you elaborate in a different
way ? thanks.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmai=
l.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 5:53=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmai=
l.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Would be nice to have a linux userland such as nixos instead of ubuntu =
/
> Centos. Can nixos be used ?
>
> Ideally the userland should be choosable for example if you got GPU
> passthrough to work on debian then odds are you could pass it through
> to FreeBSD
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:25=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino <
> tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I only know enough about linuxulator that I can maintain
> print/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2...
> >> However...
> >>
> >> I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and/or
> linux-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from bein=
g
> used.
> >> I don't know enough to write here why it is, as noted above =F0=9F=A4=
=A3
> >> If I can spend a little more time, I might write something.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>-----> Ideally the userland should be choosable fo=
r example if you got GPU passthrough to work on debian then odds are you co=
uld pass it through to FreeBSD</div><div><br></div><div>I didn't unders=
tand well what you meant. Can you elaborate in a different way ? thanks.<br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <<a href=
=3D"mailto:aryeh.friedman@gmail.com">aryeh.friedman@gmail.com</a>> wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Aug 20=
, 2023 at 5:53=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Would be nice to have a linux userland such as nixos instead of ubuntu=
/ Centos. Can nixos be used ?<br>
<br>
Ideally the userland should be choosable for example if you got GPU<br>
passthrough to work on debian then odds are you could pass it through<br>
to FreeBSD<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 11:25=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino <<a href=3D=
"mailto:tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tatsuki_makino@hotmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello.<br>
>><br>
>> I only know enough about linuxulator that I can maintain print/eps=
on-inkjet-printer-escpr2...<br>
>> However...<br>
>><br>
>> I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and=
/or linux-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from be=
ing used.<br>
>> I don't know enough to write here why it is, as noted above =
=F0=9F=A4=A3<br>
>> If I can spend a little more time, I might write something.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mario.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, <a href=3D"http://www.PetiteCloud.org" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.PetiteCloud.org</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
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Linux branded ELF is executed by linuxulator no matter where it is placed on /, right?
Binaries running on linuxulator have priority access to files in /compat/linux.
So far, I understand 😂
What I don't understand is...
If a linux binary running on linuxulator can't find a linux library, but can find a FreeBSD library, can it link and use that FreeBSD library?
In almost all cases, linux binaries are linked with libraries that are patch-patch-patch-patch-patch-patch-patch-security-fix-security-fix-security-fix-security-fix-security-fix-ed (big modified) to older version, so we don't encounter such a situation.
Another problem is that linuxulator does not work for the shell script shbang.
The "bash scripts" installed on /compat/linux, such as ldd, try to use freebsd bash outside of /compat/linux.
I think there was something strange about that even in its current state, so it might be better to just hard-code /compat/linux in various places.
Regards.
Tatsuki Makino wrote on 2023/08/21 06:25:
> I think /compat/linux is a very important path for linuxulator and/or linux-binary, and I think it would be problematic to prevent it from being used.
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* Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> [20230820 22:18]:
> I'm about to update my feature branch again and from now on, to build it
> with poudriere, a patch will be needed.
Good news, I found a workaround to make it build with unmodified
poudriere again:
| .if ${POUDRIERE_NAME:Mpoudriere*}
| build-depends: poudriere-ensure-linux-devfs
| poudriere-ensure-linux-devfs: .PHONY
| [ -c ${LINUXBASE}/dev/null ] || ${LN} -sf /dev ${LINUXBASE}/
| .endif
For now, I'll just add that snippet to ports needing it.
Still, "poudriere testport" will probably fail without changes to
poudriere. But at least, bulk should work this way!
Cheers, Felix
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* Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com> [20230821 15:38]:
> Linux branded ELF is executed by linuxulator no matter where it is
> placed on /, right?
Yes.
> Binaries running on linuxulator have priority access to files in
> /compat/linux.
Well, when they access some file, a path with /compat/linux prepended is
tried first. Only when there's nothing, the original path is tried.
That's it in a nutshell, the exact rules are a bit more complicated.
> What I don't understand is...
> If a linux binary running on linuxulator can't find a linux library,
> but can find a FreeBSD library, can it link and use that FreeBSD
> library?
No.
> Another problem is that linuxulator does not work for the shell script
> shbang.
> The "bash scripts" installed on /compat/linux, such as ldd, try to use
> freebsd bash outside of /compat/linux.
This works perfectly fine when used from within a Linux shell. Example
=66rom testing my new userland:
| [00:00:20] Entering interactive test mode. Type 'exit' when done.
| root@14a-default:~ # /compat/linux/bin/bash
| bash-5.2# ldd /bin/bash
| linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffffffe000)
| libreadline.so.8 =3D> /usr/lib64/libreadline.so.8 (0x000000080115=
4000)
| libhistory.so.8 =3D> /usr/lib64/libhistory.so.8 (0x00000008011ad0=
00)
| libncursesw.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00000008011b=
b000)
| libc.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib64/libc.so.6 (0x0000000801400000)
| /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000000001021000)
| bash-5.2#=20
Cheers, Felix
--=20
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Felix Palmen wrote on 2023/08/21 16:21:
> This works perfectly fine when used from within a Linux shell. Example
> from testing my new userland:
>
> | [00:00:20] Entering interactive test mode. Type 'exit' when done.
> | root@14a-default:~ # /compat/linux/bin/bash
> | bash-5.2# ldd /bin/bash
> | linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffffffe000)
> | libreadline.so.8 => /usr/lib64/libreadline.so.8 (0x0000000801154000)
> | libhistory.so.8 => /usr/lib64/libhistory.so.8 (0x00000008011ad000)
> | libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00000008011bb000)
> | libc.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libc.so.6 (0x0000000801400000)
> | /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000000001021000)
> | bash-5.2#
Oh, I understand.
If we try to use it directly, the command not found if bash is not installed.
root@src-default:~ # /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd /compat/linux/usr/bin/bash
/compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd: Command not found.
root@src-default:~ #
I am beginning to understand the logic somewhat. Thank you very much.
So here's the thing,
we want poudriere to mount real devfs to /compat/linux/dev as well, since linux binary behaves like chroot to /compat/linux.
Alternatively, pkg-plist in emulators/linux_base-c7 is creating dummy /compat/linux/dev, and removing it seems to be a workaround.
Regards.
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Hmm?
Tatsuki Makino wrote on 2023/08/21 17:40:
> Alternatively, pkg-plist in emulators/linux_base-c7 is creating dummy /compat/linux/dev, and removing it seems to be a workaround.
If linux_base creates /compat/linux/dev/shm for /dev/shm, isn't it a problem that all of /compat/linux/dev is no longer functional?
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From: Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
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* Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com> [20230821 17:40]:
> Felix Palmen wrote on 2023/08/21 16:21:
> > This works perfectly fine when used from within a Linux shell. Example
> > from testing my new userland:
> >=20
> > | [00:00:20] Entering interactive test mode. Type 'exit' when done.
> > | root@14a-default:~ # /compat/linux/bin/bash
> > | bash-5.2# ldd /bin/bash
> > | linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffffffe000)
> > | libreadline.so.8 =3D> /usr/lib64/libreadline.so.8 (0x00000008=
01154000)
> > | libhistory.so.8 =3D> /usr/lib64/libhistory.so.8 (0x0000000801=
1ad000)
> > | libncursesw.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00000008=
011bb000)
> > | libc.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib64/libc.so.6 (0x0000000801400000)
> > | /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000000001021000)
> > | bash-5.2#=20
>=20
> Oh, I understand.
> If we try to use it directly, the command not found if bash is not instal=
led.
Installing a FreeBSD bash won't help either, this script expects
/bin/bash which will never exist on FreeBSD (it's installed in
/usr/local/bin/bash).
> we want poudriere to mount real devfs to /compat/linux/dev as well,
> since linux binary behaves like chroot to /compat/linux.
Well, first /compat/linux is *not* a chroot or jail, but actually just
some kind of "filesystem overlay", which is the great thing about it. It
means Linux binaries can access *all* files of the FreeBSD system, as
long as they are not "shadowed" by something below /compat/linux.
And indeed, to support building native Linux software using poudriere,
it *should* mount devfs on /compat/linux/dev.
> Alternatively, pkg-plist in emulators/linux_base-c7 is creating dummy
> /compat/linux/dev, and removing it seems to be a workaround.
In a live system, there's no issue. /etc/rc.d/linux will mount all
necessary pseudo filesystems:
| if checkyesno linux_mounts_enable; then
| linux_mount linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" -o nocover
| linux_mount linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" -o nocover
| linux_mount devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" -o nocover
| linux_mount fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" -o nocover,linrdlnk
| linux_mount tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" -o nocover,mode=3D1777
| fi
So far, poudriere doesn't mount anything on /compat/linux/dev for its
building jails, although it *does* mount /compat/linux/proc.
For now, I found that a simple symlink to the real /dev also does the
trick, which I can add with some hackery in the port Makefile itself, by
adding some extra prerequisite for "build-depends" when a poudriere
build is detected. In the long run, poudriere should mount a real devfs
though.
Cheers, Felix
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From: Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net>
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
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Am 2023-08-18 11:26, schrieb Felix Palmen:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> thanks for commenting!
>
> * Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net> [20230818 11:02]:
>> As the person who switched the linuxulator from redhat 4 or 5 to
>> fedora and
>> mentored the people which moved forward to linux-c6 I have some info
>> about
>> the design principles of the linux_base ports which you may or may not
>> know
>> already:
>> https://www.leidinger.net/blog/2011/08/29/howto-create-a-new-linux_base-port/
>> https://www.leidinger.net/blog/2011/09/01/howto-add-linux-infrastructure-ports-for-a-new-linux_base-port/
>
> This might certainly be useful to check against. I think I do have some
> understanding, but so far only from looking at what existing ports are
> doing.
>
>> If it shall not be much of a moving target, I associate "not much
>> work" with
>> it. This is somehow contradicting your approach with building from
>> source in
>> my opinion. It also opens up the question if any issue is because of
>> what we
>> do with it, or because of upstream. And this additionally to the
>> complexity
>> if the issue is in our linuxulator (kernel side). This doesn't sound
>> much
>> like "not much work".
>
> Yes, I see how "bug hunting" could be an issue. So far, I could stay
> *very* close to upstream in my ports, but yep, it's only the GNU
> toolchain, I will have to see where it leads.
>
>> > - Provide the newest GNU libs (glibc, libstdc++, ...) built against
>> > exactly the Linux version emulated by the FreeBSD version this will
>> > run on. This should make it possible to run a lot more Linux binaries
>> > without relying on e.g. Linux jails.
>>
>> I see a mismatch here. You want to have the newest ones, while the
>> distribution itself shall not be a much of a moving target.
>
> This seems to be a misunderstanding though. IMHO, for repackaging some
> distribution, this should not be a moving target, because otherwise you
> could have some unpleasant surprise like some glibc update suddenly
> requiring a newer Linux version that the FreeBSD kernel offers.
>
> With building from source, at least *this* can't be a problem, because
> the base libs will always be built with the "correct" version of the
> Linux headers.
>
>> > - When binaries don't work for missing Linux libraries, make it somewhat
>> > easy to add them, maybe based on already existing FreeBSD ports.
>>
>> This may be harder than you think. Or more easy than I think. The
>> FreeBSD
>> ports will have stuff specific to FreeBSD which may not be needed for
>> the
>> linux-on-FreeBSD-build. The building part may involve more hackery
>> than the
>> FreeBSD port.
>
> Yes, I'm aware of that. It might require quite some work on the
> framework to make it actually easy. TBH, this is just an idea so far, I
> didn't really think about come concrete concept yet.
>
>> USE=linux is suited for the needs of a linux_base port. A linux_base
>> port is
>> designed to integrate with the FreeBSD system (= fallthrough so
>> FreeBSD
>> config if the config is a drop-in replacement for the linux config,
>> e.g.
>> krb5.conf or hosts and such). What you need for building is on the
>> other
>> hand a "pure" linux system without any fallthrough to FreeBSD, to make
>> sure
>> you don't pollute the linux-build with FreeBSD stuff. This means at
>> least a
>> chroot into some linux_dist-style port instead of a linux_base style
>> port.
>
> 1.) Of course, Uses/linux.mk would need quite some switching to handle
> c7 as well as something new that works completely differently (maybe
> call it src). All still open issues.
I suggest to write a new Uses/xxx.mk for this. Much more easy for you to
do what you want, and less error prone and less QA to do for the
existing linux_base stuff.
> 2.) Could you please elaborate how e.g. some config file "visible" to
> the Linux processes could "pollute" a Linux build? Besides, this could
> only affect files from base /etc I think...
Well... the config part was more to highlight what the linux_base ports
use the fallthrough for. In case of building I worry more that some
includes from /usr/local are used than anything else. Also some other
stuff configure-runs might pick-up from the installed FreeBSD ports.
Bye,
Alexander.
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* Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@Leidinger.net> [20230822 01:25]:
> Am 2023-08-18 11:26, schrieb Felix Palmen:
> > 1.) Of course, Uses/linux.mk would need quite some switching to handle
> > c7 as well as something new that works completely differently (maybe
> > call it src). All still open issues.
>=20
> I suggest to write a new Uses/xxx.mk for this. Much more easy for you to =
do
> what you want, and less error prone and less QA to do for the existing
> linux_base stuff.
Thanks! Actually, I had this thought already but was unsure about it.
So, someone else suggesting exactly the same is quite convincing.
My goal is to replace -c7 with my project, but of course, even if that
succeeds, it means both userlands will need to coexist for quite some
time, and that's probably indeed easier with completely separate Uses.
> > 2.) Could you please elaborate how e.g. some config file "visible" to
> > the Linux processes could "pollute" a Linux build? Besides, this could
> > only affect files from base /etc I think...
>=20
> Well... the config part was more to highlight what the linux_base ports u=
se
> the fallthrough for. In case of building I worry more that some includes
> from /usr/local are used than anything else. Also some other stuff
> configure-runs might pick-up from the installed FreeBSD ports.
I assume/hope that's a minor risk. /usr/local is not in the standard
search paths of the toolchain, so, must be added explicitly. A build
system doing that without being requested to do so would be pretty much
broken. Furthermore, the toolchain is built --with-sysroot=3D/compat/linux
so prepends that to all the system search paths.
Configure scripts finding *tools* in FreeBSD's /usr/local *might* be a
risk. Not an issue building with poudriere (the build jail will only
have what we want), but maybe an issue when someone builds the ports in
a live system.
Well, we will see :) At least, I already have the first ports building
fine using shell and make from the Linux userland, e.g. here:
https://github.com/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/blob/linux/sysutils/linux-man-db/Make=
file
Cheers, Felix
--=20
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To: Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
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Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> writes:
>
> I assume/hope that's a minor risk. /usr/local is not in the
> standard
> search paths of the toolchain, so, must be added explicitly. A
> build
> system doing that without being requested to do so would be
> pretty much
> broken. Furthermore, the toolchain is built
> --with-sysroot=/compat/linux
> so prepends that to all the system search paths.
>
> Configure scripts finding *tools* in FreeBSD's /usr/local
> *might* be a
> risk. Not an issue building with poudriere (the build jail will
> only
> have what we want), but maybe an issue when someone builds the
> ports in
> a live system.
>
> Well, we will see :) At least, I already have the first ports
> building
> fine using shell and make from the Linux userland, e.g. here:
> https://github.com/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/blob/linux/sysutils/linux-man-db/Makefile
This is really fascinating work, and I see value in this even if
some other way of doing things eventually replaces the Centos-7 items.
Some of this has a bit of overlap with Gentoo prefix
(https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix), where one puts the
bare bones of a Gentoo distro under a "prefix" (for example,
/compat/linux), but then you can use Gentoo's portage
infrastructure to build the other parts of the system.
I imagine, you are maybe thinking of your own set of linux-* in
the ports tree, but this might also be useful area to borrow from?
Anyway, I'll lurk back into the shadows to see how this develops.
Best regards,
--
Trenton
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Subject: Re: Building a Linuxulator userland from source
To: Trenton Schulz <trenton@norwegianrockcat.com>
Cc: Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org>, emulation@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org
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CentOS has been replaced already successfully with Ubuntu and Devuan. On
the FreeBSD forums there are a couple of nice tutorials. BTW if we can use
even different user lands,we will be even happier.
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:04=E2=80=AFPM Trenton Schulz <trenton@norwegianro=
ckcat.com>
wrote:
>
> Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> writes:
>
> >
> > I assume/hope that's a minor risk. /usr/local is not in the
> > standard
> > search paths of the toolchain, so, must be added explicitly. A
> > build
> > system doing that without being requested to do so would be
> > pretty much
> > broken. Furthermore, the toolchain is built
> > --with-sysroot=3D/compat/linux
> > so prepends that to all the system search paths.
> >
> > Configure scripts finding *tools* in FreeBSD's /usr/local
> > *might* be a
> > risk. Not an issue building with poudriere (the build jail will
> > only
> > have what we want), but maybe an issue when someone builds the
> > ports in
> > a live system.
> >
> > Well, we will see :) At least, I already have the first ports
> > building
> > fine using shell and make from the Linux userland, e.g. here:
> >
> https://github.com/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/blob/linux/sysutils/linux-man-db/Ma=
kefile
>
> This is really fascinating work, and I see value in this even if
> some other way of doing things eventually replaces the Centos-7 items.
>
> Some of this has a bit of overlap with Gentoo prefix
> (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix), where one puts the
> bare bones of a Gentoo distro under a "prefix" (for example,
> /compat/linux), but then you can use Gentoo's portage
> infrastructure to build the other parts of the system.
>
> I imagine, you are maybe thinking of your own set of linux-* in
> the ports tree, but this might also be useful area to borrow from?
>
> Anyway, I'll lurk back into the shadows to see how this develops.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Trenton
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">CentOS has been replaced already successfully with Ubuntu =
and Devuan. On the FreeBSD forums there are a couple of nice tutorials. BTW=
if we can use even different user lands,we will be even happier. <br></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:04=E2=80=AFPM Trenton Schulz <<a href=3D"mailto:tre=
nton@norwegianrockcat.com" target=3D"_blank">trenton@norwegianrockcat.com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><b=
r>
Felix Palmen <<a href=3D"mailto:zirias@freebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">zi=
rias@freebsd.org</a>> writes:<br>
<br>
><br>
> I assume/hope that's a minor risk. /usr/local is not in the <br>
> standard<br>
> search paths of the toolchain, so, must be added explicitly. A <br>
> build<br>
> system doing that without being requested to do so would be <br>
> pretty much<br>
> broken. Furthermore, the toolchain is built <br>
> --with-sysroot=3D/compat/linux<br>
> so prepends that to all the system search paths.<br>
><br>
> Configure scripts finding *tools* in FreeBSD's /usr/local <br>
> *might* be a<br>
> risk. Not an issue building with poudriere (the build jail will <br>
> only<br>
> have what we want), but maybe an issue when someone builds the <br>
> ports in<br>
> a live system.<br>
><br>
> Well, we will see :) At least, I already have the first ports <br>
> building<br>
> fine using shell and make from the Linux userland, e.g. here:<br>
> <a href=3D"https://github.com/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/blob/linux/sysutils/l=
inux-man-db/Makefile" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.c=
om/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/blob/linux/sysutils/linux-man-db/Makefile</a><br>
<br>
This is really fascinating work, and I see value in this even if <br>
some other way of doing things eventually replaces the Centos-7 items.<br>
<br>
Some of this has a bit of overlap with Gentoo prefix <br>
(<a href=3D"https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix</a>), where =
one puts the <br>
bare bones of a Gentoo distro under a "prefix" (for example, <br>
/compat/linux), but then you can use Gentoo's portage <br>
infrastructure to build the other parts of the system.<br>
<br>
I imagine, you are maybe thinking of your own set of linux-* in <br>
the ports tree, but this might also be useful area to borrow from?<br>
<br>
Anyway, I'll lurk back into the shadows to see how this develops.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Trenton<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
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* Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> [20230822 13:59]:
> CentOS has been replaced already successfully with Ubuntu and Devuan.
No. You can install whatever you like in some Linux jail, you could even
use it as an alternate compat.linux.emul_path if you want, in both cases
it will partially work.
You *won't* get e.g. full unhindered access to the whole / filesystem
tree, you won't be able to use FreeBSD ports/packages of Linux software
with it, and so on.
FreeBSD's official Linuxulator userland is -c7, nothing has been
replaced. Please stop spreading such unfounded claims.
Bye, Felix
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---> you won't be able to use FreeBSD ports/packages of Linux software with
it...
I'm interested to understand what you mean better here....can you elaborate
using different words ? thanks.
On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> w=
rote:
> * Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> [20230822 13:59]:
> > CentOS has been replaced already successfully with Ubuntu and Devuan.
>
> No. You can install whatever you like in some Linux jail, you could even
> use it as an alternate compat.linux.emul_path if you want, in both cases
> it will partially work.
>
> You *won't* get e.g. full unhindered access to the whole / filesystem
> tree, you won't be able to use FreeBSD ports/packages of Linux software
> with it, and so on.
>
> FreeBSD's official Linuxulator userland is -c7, nothing has been
> replaced. Please stop spreading such unfounded claims.
>
> Bye, Felix
>
> --
> Felix Palmen <zirias@FreeBSD.org> {private} felix@palmen-it.de
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>---> you won't be able to use FreeBSD ports/pa=
ckages of Linux software with it...</div><div><br></div><div>I'm intere=
sted to understand what you mean better here....can you elaborate using dif=
ferent words ? thanks. <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 2:13=E2=80=AFPM Fe=
lix Palmen <<a href=3D"mailto:zirias@freebsd.org">zirias@freebsd.org</a>=
> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">* Ma=
rio Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> [20230822 13:59]:<br>
> CentOS has been replaced already successfully with Ubuntu and Devuan.<=
br>
<br>
No. You can install whatever you like in some Linux jail, you could even<br=
>
use it as an alternate compat.linux.emul_path if you want, in both cases<br=
>
it will partially work.<br>
<br>
You *won't* get e.g. full unhindered access to the whole / filesystem<b=
r>
tree, you won't be able to use FreeBSD ports/packages of Linux software=
<br>
with it, and so on.<br>
<br>
FreeBSD's official Linuxulator userland is -c7, nothing has been<br>
replaced. Please stop spreading such unfounded claims.<br>
<br>
Bye, Felix<br>
<br>
-- <br>
=C2=A0Felix Palmen <zirias@FreeBSD.org>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{private}=
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* Trenton Schulz <trenton@norwegianrockcat.com> [20230822 12:55]:
> This is really fascinating work, and I see value in this even if some oth=
er
> way of doing things eventually replaces the Centos-7 items.
Thanks a lot!
> Some of this has a bit of overlap with Gentoo prefix
> (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix), where one puts the bare bo=
nes
> of a Gentoo distro under a "prefix" (for example, /compat/linux), but then
> you can use Gentoo's portage infrastructure to build the other parts of t=
he
> system.
Hm, kind of interesting project ;) well sure, might be another source to
look at when hitting some weird issues. But using "portage" IMHO
wouldn't make much sense, we already have our ports system ;)
> I imagine, you are maybe thinking of your own set of linux-* in the ports
> tree, but this might also be useful area to borrow from?
>=20
> Anyway, I'll lurk back into the shadows to see how this develops.
Well, I guess it'll take me a few days to stabilize stuff and a few
*more* days to create some helpful USING for it ... but then, I'll try
to build some additional libs and find some proof of concept of some
Linux binary (closed-source?) working on it. That's the rough plan ... I
have some hopes ;)
Cheers, Felix
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Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> writes:
> * Trenton Schulz <trenton@norwegianrockcat.com> [20230822
> 12:55]:
>> This is really fascinating work, and I see value in this even
>> if some other
>> way of doing things eventually replaces the Centos-7 items.
>
> Thanks a lot!
No problem. Having been struggling with some cross-compiling
issues at work, this hits home. :-)
>
>> Some of this has a bit of overlap with Gentoo prefix
>> (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Prefix), where one puts
>> the bare bones
>> of a Gentoo distro under a "prefix" (for example,
>> /compat/linux), but then
>> you can use Gentoo's portage infrastructure to build the other
>> parts of the
>> system.
>
> Hm, kind of interesting project ;) well sure, might be another
> source to
> look at when hitting some weird issues. But using "portage" IMHO
> wouldn't make much sense, we already have our ports system ;)
>
Yes, yes. I guess this was more for hitting weird issues or
another way for getting the Linux userland. When I have to do
anything some GUI app in the Linuxulator, it's a struggle to track
down all those extra libraries. Then, I start to think, I should
make a "port for this", but by then, I have forgot to keep track
off all the RPMs, plus I have it working on the one system I need
it on, and then I move onto something else. (Master PDF Editor has
been a victim of this a couple of times *sigh*).
In theory, with Gentoo prefix one "emerges" them out of the
prefix. Of course, the ports tree could easily do this too, but I
just thought you might be able to borrow some things out of
portage.
Regardless, I'm really interested in how this turns out, so I
think I'll just get back to watching and wishing you luck.
>> I imagine, you are maybe thinking of your own set of linux-* in
>> the ports
>> tree, but this might also be useful area to borrow from?
>>
>> Anyway, I'll lurk back into the shadows to see how this
>> develops.
>
> Well, I guess it'll take me a few days to stabilize stuff and a
> few
> *more* days to create some helpful USING for it ... but then,
> I'll try
> to build some additional libs and find some proof of concept of
> some
> Linux binary (closed-source?) working on it. That's the rough
> plan ... I
> have some hopes ;)
Again, good luck! I guess Master PDF Editor could be a candidate
for a closed source binary (I have made it work before in the
regular Linuxulator, but don't use it now).
Best regards,
--
Trenton
>
> Cheers, Felix
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In message <xcztahm3vu3bjghjqqxuoy2xabyjmyfq22jw6mkaaaqo7wa36s@fdq7dlvpuhlk>
, F
elix Palmen writes:
> Hi all,
>
> for the last two weeks, I've been working on a spike in ports which now
> reached a state where I want to show it to and discuss it with fellow
> ports hackers.
>
> First, a link to my feature branch (warning, will be rebased every now
> and then):
> <https://github.com/Zirias/zfbsd-ports/commits/linux>
>
> The goal is to create a replacement for the now antiquated linux-c7
> userland. While the classic approach would be to find another Linux
> distribution that's not too much of a moving target and start
> "repackaging" that, I want to try something different: Build the
> required packages from source.
>
> ** Why
>
> It will be quite some work to do this, I'm not really sure about it yet
> (and how it would compare to the repackaging approach), so feasibility
> is yet to be decided. But I hope to get at least these two advantages:
>
> - Provide the newest GNU libs (glibc, libstdc++, ...) built against
> exactly the Linux version emulated by the FreeBSD version this will
> run on. This should make it possible to run a lot more Linux binaries
> without relying on e.g. Linux jails.
> - When binaries don't work for missing Linux libraries, make it somewhat
> easy to add them, maybe based on already existing FreeBSD ports.
>
> ** State
>
> I just reached a state where I can build a working Linux-native GNU
> toolchain (binutils, glibc, gcc) for C and C++ on aarch64, amd64 and
> i386. From here on, it should be simpler, there are already two ports in
> my branch (archivers/linux-bzip2 and archivers/linux-xz) using that
> native toolchain for building.
>
> ** How
>
> The native toolchain is built by a cross toolchain, the packages for
> this cross-toolchain are prefixed "lxcross-". For building this cross
> toolchain, bootstrapping versions of binutils and gcc are needed to
> build the initial glibc, these versions are suffixed "-bootstrap".
>
> lxcross ports set PREFIX to ${LXCROSSBASE}, which defaults to
> ${LOCALBASE}/linux-cross. lxcross-*-bootstrap ports set PREFIX to
> ${LXBOOTSTRAP}, this one defaults to ${LXCROSSBASE}/bootstrap.
>
> ** Open issues
>
> This is an unordered list off my head, so most likely incomplete.
>
> - Some trickery with PREFIX is currently needed. The ports framework
> expects PREFIX to be used as is by the upstream build system. This
> won't hold for building Linux packages, PREFIX must be /compat/linux
> for that, but passed to the upstream build system in DESTDIR.
> - LIB_DEPENDS don't work, which could probably be solved in the
> framework. Right now, I'm using a hacky workaround to define
> LINLIB_DEPENDS and add it to both RUN_ and BUILD_DEPENDS.
> - A lot of smaller things that *should* be provided by the framework,
> some of them probably by USES=3Dlinux, are currently copy&pasted to
> every port needing them. I wanted to keep it simple while first trying
> to get it to work, so the framework isn't touched yet at all.
> - Some stage-qa checks get confused, some (e.g. checking that everything
> is stripped) don't work.
> - In my tests, "poudriere testport" failed at least on i386, because it
> mounts linprocfs on /compat/linux/proc and then tries to remove
> /compat/linux (remove pre-existing PREFIX). To test the ports, I had
> to slightly modify the testport script for now.
> - For the Linux headers, there should be a metaport picking the Linux
> version based on ${OSVERSION}. This doesn't exist yet, Linux 4.4.x is
> always used.
> - Building the final linux-gcc ports, I get weird error messages
> directly to poudriere's terminal (they do NOT appear in the build
> log!) like this:
> ELF interpreter /usr/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found, error 2
> I have no idea where this comes from, so far I couldn't identify any
> negative effect though.
>
> Acknowledgement: I found quite some useful info for doing this in the
> "Linux from Scratch" book. Of course you can't just follow the book
> (very different scenario, it assumes building on Linux and not doing any
> staging/packaging), but it *does* have some helpful hints.
>
> Cheers, Felix
Basically this would become another Linux distro, albeit a virtual one that runs under our Linuxulator.
Avoiding discussion about packaging -- we can package this any way we wish -- how will this support software written for distro A, B, or C. For example, Red Hat software doesn't neccesarily run on SuSE or Ubuntu because shared library dependencies may be different.
Building our own "distro" to run under the Linuxulator may require a complete set of packages and end-user applications because existing Linux software may require a Fedora, Debian or Red Hat library. Wouldn't this negate the need for a Linuxulator because a person can build most Linux software to run on native FreeBSD.
I think a better path might be to support multiple Linux userlands in parallel. Thus a user could simply copy or install vendor software for a Red Hat in one environment and a SuSE vendor software in another.
If the intention is to duplicate what a distro or different distros do, this would seem like a lot of extra work for little or no signficant advantage.
If the decision is to pursue this, we should also continue to support various other distributions binary packages so that vendor software built to run on distro A can run under FreeBSD's Linuxulator. Linux cross distro dependencies is a minefield and adding a "virtual" distro IMO only adds to the problem. I have to deal with this at $JOB. End-users don't understand it because to non-technical Linux end users, like management, Linux is a homogeneous thing.
--
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
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* Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> [20230822 10:34]:
> Basically this would become another Linux distro, albeit a virtual one
> that runs under our Linuxulator.
And also a pretty minimal one. Right now, I'm just building a truly
minimal userland (the GNU toolchain, openssl, GNU make/grep/sed/awk, GNU
coreutils and man-db) and working on putting together some sane USES for
that.
> Avoiding discussion about packaging -- we can package this any way we
> wish -- how will this support software written for distro A, B, or C.
> For example, Red Hat software doesn't neccesarily run on SuSE or
> Ubuntu because shared library dependencies may be different.
>=20
> Building our own "distro" to run under the Linuxulator may require a
> complete set of packages and end-user applications because existing
> Linux software may require a Fedora, Debian or Red Hat library.
> Wouldn't this negate the need for a Linuxulator because a person can
> build most Linux software to run on native FreeBSD.
Well first, when I ask why "Linuxulator" is needed, the answer in my
head is: Mostly for closed-source Linux software. Because exactly as you
say, anything else should better be ported and built to run natively on
FreeBSD, if possible.
Now, maybe I'm looking at the wrong software? In my experience with
closed-source Linux Software, sure, it *might* offer
distribution-specific packages, but almost always offers a plain binary
tarball as well. The latter could easily be used to create a port (like
was done in the past as well in our tree), and then it's just a question
of adding ports for the (hopefully few) shared libraries needed by this
software.
> I think a better path might be to support multiple Linux userlands in
> parallel. Thus a user could simply copy or install vendor software for
> a Red Hat in one environment and a SuSE vendor software in another.
This would be the consequence if you really want to support
distribution-specific software packages. I don't think it's feasible in
practice, at least it would make it very hard to still have ports of
Linux software (like my makemkv port), these would need to build and run
with any of these userlands.
To challenge my source-based approach, I'm looking for "proof of
concept" closed-source software to try get running with it, I'll
probably start with makemkv because I already maintain that port. Open
to suggestions what else to test there. In the end, getting to run e.g.
Google Chrome would be perfect, but I imagine this requires creating a
lot of ports for shared libs first.
Cheers, Felix
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It would be nice to try that tool that can hack / convert ./ add another
layer (another linux distro inside the first one. I dont remember the name
now.
Il mer 23 ago 2023, 08:21 Felix Palmen <zirias@freebsd.org> ha scritto:
> * Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> [20230822 10:34]:
> > Basically this would become another Linux distro, albeit a virtual one
> > that runs under our Linuxulator.
>
> And also a pretty minimal one. Right now, I'm just building a truly
> minimal userland (the GNU toolchain, openssl, GNU make/grep/sed/awk, GNU
> coreutils and man-db) and working on putting together some sane USES for
> that.
>
> > Avoiding discussion about packaging -- we can package this any way we
> > wish -- how will this support software written for distro A, B, or C.
> > For example, Red Hat software doesn't neccesarily run on SuSE or
> > Ubuntu because shared library dependencies may be different.
> >
> > Building our own "distro" to run under the Linuxulator may require a
> > complete set of packages and end-user applications because existing
> > Linux software may require a Fedora, Debian or Red Hat library.
> > Wouldn't this negate the need for a Linuxulator because a person can
> > build most Linux software to run on native FreeBSD.
>
> Well first, when I ask why "Linuxulator" is needed, the answer in my
> head is: Mostly for closed-source Linux software. Because exactly as you
> say, anything else should better be ported and built to run natively on
> FreeBSD, if possible.
>
> Now, maybe I'm looking at the wrong software? In my experience with
> closed-source Linux Software, sure, it *might* offer
> distribution-specific packages, but almost always offers a plain binary
> tarball as well. The latter could easily be used to create a port (like
> was done in the past as well in our tree), and then it's just a question
> of adding ports for the (hopefully few) shared libraries needed by this
> software.
>
> > I think a better path might be to support multiple Linux userlands in
> > parallel. Thus a user could simply copy or install vendor software for
> > a Red Hat in one environment and a SuSE vendor software in another.
>
> This would be the consequence if you really want to support
> distribution-specific software packages. I don't think it's feasible in
> practice, at least it would make it very hard to still have ports of
> Linux software (like my makemkv port), these would need to build and run
> with any of these userlands.
>
> To challenge my source-based approach, I'm looking for "proof of
> concept" closed-source software to try get running with it, I'll
> probably start with makemkv because I already maintain that port. Open
> to suggestions what else to test there. In the end, getting to run e.g.
> Google Chrome would be perfect, but I imagine this requires creating a
> lot of ports for shared libs first.
>
> Cheers, Felix
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"auto">It would be nice to try that tool that can hack / convert=
./ add another layer (another linux distro inside the first one. I dont re=
member the name now.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">Il mer 23 ago 2023, 08:21 Felix Palmen <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:zirias@freebsd.org">zirias@freebsd.org</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">* Cy Schubert <<a href=3D"mailto:Cy.Schube=
rt@cschubert.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Cy.Schubert@cschuber=
t.com</a>> [20230822 10:34]:<br>
> Basically this would become another Linux distro, albeit a virtual one=
<br>
> that runs under our Linuxulator.<br>
<br>
And also a pretty minimal one. Right now, I'm just building a truly<br>
minimal userland (the GNU toolchain, openssl, GNU make/grep/sed/awk, GNU<br=
>
coreutils and man-db) and working on putting together some sane USES for<br=
>
that.<br>
<br>
> Avoiding discussion about packaging -- we can package this any way we<=
br>
> wish -- how will this support software written for distro A, B, or C.<=
br>
> For example, Red Hat software doesn't neccesarily run on SuSE or<b=
r>
> Ubuntu because shared library dependencies may be different.<br>
> <br>
> Building our own "distro" to run under the Linuxulator may r=
equire a<br>
> complete set of packages and end-user applications because existing<br=
>
> Linux software may require a Fedora, Debian or Red Hat library.<br>
> Wouldn't this negate the need for a Linuxulator because a person c=
an<br>
> build most Linux software to run on native FreeBSD.<br>
<br>
Well first, when I ask why "Linuxulator" is needed, the answer in=
my<br>
head is: Mostly for closed-source Linux software. Because exactly as you<br=
>
say, anything else should better be ported and built to run natively on<br>
FreeBSD, if possible.<br>
<br>
Now, maybe I'm looking at the wrong software? In my experience with<br>
closed-source Linux Software, sure, it *might* offer<br>
distribution-specific packages, but almost always offers a plain binary<br>
tarball as well. The latter could easily be used to create a port (like<br>
was done in the past as well in our tree), and then it's just a questio=
n<br>
of adding ports for the (hopefully few) shared libraries needed by this<br>
software.<br>
<br>
> I think a better path might be to support multiple Linux userlands in<=
br>
> parallel. Thus a user could simply copy or install vendor software for=
<br>
> a Red Hat in one environment and a SuSE vendor software in another.<br=
>
<br>
This would be the consequence if you really want to support<br>
distribution-specific software packages. I don't think it's feasibl=
e in<br>
practice, at least it would make it very hard to still have ports of<br>
Linux software (like my makemkv port), these would need to build and run<br=
>
with any of these userlands.<br>
<br>
To challenge my source-based approach, I'm looking for "proof of<b=
r>
concept" closed-source software to try get running with it, I'll<b=
r>
probably start with makemkv because I already maintain that port. Open<br>
to suggestions what else to test there. In the end, getting to run e.g.<br>
Google Chrome would be perfect, but I imagine this requires creating a<br>
lot of ports for shared libs first.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Felix<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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Subject: Getting lib32 porting effort unstuck
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WINE requires 32-bit libraries for many programs. The current system
used by the WINE port is to require the user to run a helper script
which uses pkg to fetch and install i386 packages to the home
directory. It is not ideal.
The WINE project's promised WoW64 thunks for 32-bit processes to use
64-bit libs has been in "almost there but not quite" status for years.Â
The motivation to maintain 32-bit libs for WINE remains.
Several proposals have been made for 32-bit library ports:
- A single i386-libs port uses a chroot to build many libraries from
ports tree which are then installed/packaged as one port. Unacceptable
since a port must not require root to build.
https://reviews.freebsd.org/D14721
- Create i386- slave ports of all required libraries. Filling the ports
tree with ~100 arch-specific additional ports seems unacceptable.
https://github.com/shkhln/freebsd-lib32-companion-ports
- Add -i386 flavor to all required library ports. Clutters ports'
Makefiles and may conflict with existing FLAVORS uses. Not using
FLAVORS as intended. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D16830
- Write a single i386-libs port. Each library is built as a separate
package as a FLAVOR of i386-libs. Unconventional usage of FLAVORS.
All reviews and efforts on this seem to be dead as a result of
uncertainty over whether the implementations are acceptable within the
existing ports framework.
For thoroughness, some of the ideas previously discussed which are
surely unworkable and don't deserve any further consideration:
- Create an amd64-lib32 repository that may be used by pkg alongside
amd64 repository. Completely outside of normal dependency mechanisms
and leaves direct users of ports tree without a simple procedure to
build i386 libs.
- Ports overlay
- Have an i386-libs metaport do evil variable manipulation of port
framework dependency recursion to create i386- variants on the fly.
Maintenance headache and incompatible with poudriere. Procedure for
rebuilding specific ports is non-obvious to the user.
Single i386-libs port with each library built as a FLAVOR seems to be
the least bad option. However any work on it, even a minimal working
review, is a waste of time if this particular usage of FLAVORS is dead
on arrival to portmgr@.
WINE port Makefile example:
LIB_DEPENDS= ...
${LOCALBASE}/lib32/libfontconfig.so:emulators/i386-libs@x11-fonts__fontconfig
emulators/i386-libs/Makefile:
PORTNAME=Â Â Â Â Â Â i386-libs
CATEGORIES=Â Â Â Â emulators
MASTER_SITES=
DISTFILES=
LIB32_PORTS=Â Â Â \
               x11/libXrender \
               x11/libX11 \
               x11-fonts/fontconfig \
               security/gnutls \
               print/freetype2 \
               graphics/vulkan-loader \
               graphics/libGLU \
               devel/sdl20 \
               graphics/mesa-libs \
               (... many more ...)
FLAVORS=Â Â Â Â Â Â Â meta ${LIB32_PORTS:S,/,__,} # category/portname ->
category__portname
# ${FLAVOR}_*_DEPENDS to be derived from a ${MAKE} -V into referenced port.
# emulators/i386-libs is not a slave port.
Considering the lack of better options and the situation that FLAVORS is
the only currently supported mechanism for a single port to build
several packages, will the slightly unconventional use of FLAVORS be
acceptable provided the port conforms to quality standards in all other
aspects?
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Subject: Re: Getting lib32 porting effort unstuck
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If the 32bit library set doesn't need to be updated frequently one way
to do this is repackaging.
Write a script that builds required libraries in the 32-bit Poudriere
jail (possibly with LOCALBASE=/usr/local32 or something) and then
repackage resulting .pkg files into a single one. Then write a
NO_BUILD port that would install this huge .pkg
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Subject: Re: Many packages fail in the 124i386-quarterly VM with errors like
configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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On 12/07/2023 06:01, Tatsuki Makino wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Perhaps this.
>
> =>> Building audio/libopenshot-audio
> 　　　︙
> Host OSVERSION: 1400089
> Jail OSVERSION: 1204000
>
> It happens sometimes :)
>
> Regards.
Is there some problem with build cluster again?
I received 6 e-mails with build errors for pecl-imagic, pecl-imagick-im7
and pnm2ppa. All on 124i386-quarterly.
This is for pnm2ppa
checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for gcc... cc
Bus error (core dumped)
Bus error (core dumped)
Bus error (core dumped)
checking for C compiler default output file name... Bus error (core dumped)
configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
See `config.log' for more details.
===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
Please report the problem to 000.fbsd@quip.cz [maintainer] and attach the
"/wrkdirs/usr/ports/print/pnm2ppa/work/pnm2ppa-1.13/config.log"
including the
output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be a good idea to
provide an overview of all packages installed on your system (e.g. a
/usr/local/sbin/pkg-static info -g -Ea).
*** Error code 1
This is for pecl-imagick
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables...
checking whether we are cross compiling... configure: error: in
`/wrkdirs/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php80/imagick-3.7.0':
configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
See `config.log' for more details
===> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
Please report the problem to 000.fbsd@quip.cz [maintainer] and attach the
"/wrkdirs/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php80/imagick-3.7.0/config.log"
including the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be
a good idea to provide an overview of all packages installed on your system
(e.g. a /usr/local/sbin/pkg-static info -g -Ea).
*** Error code 1
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On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 10:04:45PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve been fighting this for over an hour and I presume someone else has done it in the past. If something is built using the BSD bsd.prog.mk build goo, what do I need to do in the ports infrastructure to make sure that BINDIR and MANDIR are set, to make it install things in the right places?
>
> So far, every invocation I’ve tried has made things differently wrong and the porters handbook is completely silent on the case of bmake. Any help gratefully received!
ftp/netdumpd does this. The recipe seems to be:
MAKE_ARGS+=BINDIR=${PREFIX}/bin
etc.
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On 8/23/23 17:15, Mark Johnston wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 10:04:45PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve been fighting this for over an hour and I presume someone else has done it in the past. If something is built using the BSD bsd.prog.mk build goo, what do I need to do in the ports infrastructure to make sure that BINDIR and MANDIR are set, to make it install things in the right places?
>>
>> So far, every invocation I’ve tried has made things differently wrong and the porters handbook is completely silent on the case of bmake. Any help gratefully received!
>
> ftp/netdumpd does this. The recipe seems to be:
>
> MAKE_ARGS+=BINDIR=${PREFIX}/bin
>
> etc.
>
Right, the two key things I noted when adding sysutils/quickjail is that
with bsd.prog.mk you'll need USES=uidfix, and then
MAKE_ENV+= BINDIR="${PREFIX}/bin" \
MANDIR="${PREFIX}/share/man/man"
(Both of which I ${MKDIR} in pre-install)
Thanks,
Kyle Evans
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* Kyle Evans <kevans@FreeBSD.org> [20230823 18:58]:
> On 8/23/23 17:15, Mark Johnston wrote:
> >=20
> > ftp/netdumpd does this. The recipe seems to be:
> >=20
> > MAKE_ARGS+=3DBINDIR=3D${PREFIX}/bin
> >=20
> > etc.
> >=20
>=20
> Right, the two key things I noted when adding sysutils/quickjail is that
> with bsd.prog.mk you'll need USES=3Duidfix, and then
>=20
> MAKE_ENV+=3D BINDIR=3D"${PREFIX}/bin" \
>=20
> MANDIR=3D"${PREFIX}/share/man/man"
>=20
>=20
> (Both of which I ${MKDIR} in pre-install)
JFTR, all of these issues can be avoided in a Makefile using
bsd.prog.mk, so it *might* be an option to try and get it fixed
upstream.
For reference, here's my (truly minimal, but AFAIK correct) example:
https://github.com/Zirias/unix-selfauth-helper/blob/master/Makefile
Cheers, Felix
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> On 8/23/23 15:58, Gleb Popov wrote:
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> > repackage resulting .pkg files into a single one. Then write a
> > NO_BUILD port that would install this huge .pkg
> That's the system that was previously in place. The wine port
> maintainers at the time also operated a build server for this purpose,
> which served as the master site for the wine port's lib32 binaries.
> This had to be abandoned at least once as it was not always maintained.
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Do someone else encountering SIGSEGV/crash on firefox 117.0 (rc1)
as described in Bug 273291 [2]?
Encountering both on stable/13 (built with poudriere-devel) and on main
(built with pkg_replace). Backtrace (of main) is uploaded.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:43:51 +0200
Christoph Moench-Tegeder <cmt@burggraben.net> wrote:
> ## Tomoaki AOKI (junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp):
>
> > Unfortunately, this crashes on start, both on stable/13 and main, amd64.
>
> Works for me (obviously) for over a week now, but then all I have
> is 13.2-RELEASE. Any special flags, anything in the environment?
>
> Regards,
> Christoph
>
> --
> Spare Space
Thanks for the reply!
I have no flags on startup.
Actually, the Mate app launcher applet I'm using has %U option,
but it is to pass URIs, if some selection is done before. [1]
I had a LD_PRELOAD workaround there for quite old versions,
but it was removed years ago.
There are some workarounds in about:config, but unfortunately I'm not
sure what actually they were, and some of them are already switched to
default or not.
Further discussion would better on Bug 273291 [2] not to be lost.
[1] https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=152650
[2] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273291
Thanks in advance!
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Felix Palmen wrote on 2023/08/21 18:30:
> * Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino@hotmail.com> [20230821 17:40]:
>> If we try to use it directly, the command not found if bash is not installed.
>
> Installing a FreeBSD bash won't help either, this script expects
> /bin/bash which will never exist on FreeBSD (it's installed in
> /usr/local/bin/bash).
This I added after "if" without trying :)
I was only doing /compat...bin/bash /compat...bin/ldd /something/about/escpr2.
>> we want poudriere to mount real devfs to /compat/linux/dev as well,
>> since linux binary behaves like chroot to /compat/linux.
>
> Well, first /compat/linux is *not* a chroot or jail, but actually just
> some kind of "filesystem overlay", which is the great thing about it. It
> means Linux binaries can access *all* files of the FreeBSD system, as
> long as they are not "shadowed" by something below /compat/linux.
I was also trying this in jail of poudriere and made the mistake of thinking it was a chroot because I couldn't find the file that should have been there.
However, I will learn about more appropriate words :)
> And indeed, to support building native Linux software using poudriere,
> it *should* mount devfs on /compat/linux/dev.
>
>> Alternatively, pkg-plist in emulators/linux_base-c7 is creating dummy
>> /compat/linux/dev, and removing it seems to be a workaround.
>
> In a live system, there's no issue. /etc/rc.d/linux will mount all
> necessary pseudo filesystems:
>
> | if checkyesno linux_mounts_enable; then
> | linux_mount linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" -o nocover
> | linux_mount linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" -o nocover
> | linux_mount devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" -o nocover
> | linux_mount fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" -o nocover,linrdlnk
> | linux_mount tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" -o nocover,mode=1777
> | fi
Does this nocover mean that the files that exist in the directory that will be the mount point will remain visible?
This will be a feature that will remain non-existent in 12.x and await end of support.
> So far, poudriere doesn't mount anything on /compat/linux/dev for its
> building jails, although it *does* mount /compat/linux/proc.
>
> For now, I found that a simple symlink to the real /dev also does the
> trick, which I can add with some hackery in the port Makefile itself, by
> adding some extra prerequisite for "build-depends" when a poudriere
> build is detected. In the long run, poudriere should mount a real devfs
> though.
In addition, variable JAIL_PARAMS (and JAIL_NET_PARAMS) exist in poudriere and are used to append to something defined somewhere.
It may be possible to use this to allow mount inside the jail.
But I don't know how to configure the jail that way :)
Regards.
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Christoph Moench-Tegeder <cmt@burggraben.net> wrote:
> ## Tomoaki AOKI (junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp):
>
> > There are some workarounds in about:config, but unfortunately I'm not
> > sure what actually they were, and some of them are already switched to
> > default or not.
>
> Given that there are no other reports of this, I still suspect a
> local issue - whatever there might be in your profile, your desktop
> environment, or even your builds (e.g. firefox does not always play
> nice with partial upgrades, e.g. I've had my fair share of fun with
> the graphics/Xorg stuff when there were mismatches between build
> environment, installed and actually running versions)
> Have you at least tried a clean (that is, new) profile?
>
> Regards,
> Christoph
>
> --
> Spare Space
Thanks! I've not tried clean profile yet this time.
As I noticed rc2 is committed, I'll test with it (needs a fair amount
of time, as I'm on the way to switch from stable/13 to stable/14).
rc2 would be built while rebuilding all pkgs.
And notably, the backed up libraries under /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg,
which were built for stable/13 can be deleted or moved to elseware
after updating. This means cleaner environmet.
(Currently, I've not `make delete-old-libs` to keep email, browsing,
and other jobs available while rebuilding pkgs with poudriere. Base is
already updated and `make delete-old`, etcupdate and creating new
poudriere jail for stable/14 are completed.)
Rebuilding all ports with poudriere usually forces me 24 hour or more.
Still on early stage.
And then upgrading using them is needed.
Regards.
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## Tomoaki AOKI (junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp):
> And notably, the backed up libraries under /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg,
And I guess we found the issue right here: libs in compat/pkg only
keep improperly updated software alive and lead to all kinds of
funny stuff like multiple or surprisingly outdated versions of some
libs in one process, ultimatively resulting in unexpected behaviour
including crashes. I've already lost too much life time with that,
put an end to that before it's too late for you, too.
Anyways, I'm never touching that construct again.
Regards,
Christoph
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:59:01 +0000
From: portscout@FreeBSD.org
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Subject: Unmaintained FreeBSD ports which are out of date
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Dear port maintainers,
The portscout new distfile checker has detected that one or more
unmaintained ports appears to be out of date. Please take the opportunity
to check each of the ports listed below, and if possible and appropriate,
submit/commit an update. Please consider also adopting this port.
If any ports have already been updated, you can safely ignore the entry.
An e-mail will not be sent again for any of the port/version combinations
below.
Full details can be found at the following URL:
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Port | Current version | New version
------------------------------------------------+-----------------+------------
cad/ifcopenshell | 0.6.0 | blenderbim-230825
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devel/protobuf-java | 3.22.2 | 3.24.2
------------------------------------------------+-----------------+------------
If any of the above results are invalid, please check the following page
for details on how to improve portscout's detection and selection of
distfiles on a per-port basis:
http://portscout.freebsd.org/info/portscout-portconfig.txt
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