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FORGED_MUA_SEAMONKEY_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f403::/49]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[2a01:111:f403:280c::800:server fail,2603:1096:4:1f8::9:server fail]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCcBL19GLz3XMp Helge Oldach wrote on 2023/10/21 14:49: > portupgrade -f `pkg query %ro-%rv lang/perl5.28` In the case of portmaster, it is portmaster -r perl5- . Reinstalling everything listed in `pkg info -q -r perl5` like this is overkill. Perhaps that is why the method that used to be "portmaster -r perl5-" (20141126) is now using "portmaster -f `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.26`". Most of *.pm files installed in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ use DynaLoader, so most ports that install it have a library linked to libperl.so.5.36. So, those ports are targeted for updating as per the procedure. Ports that are not targeted for updating in this procedure, but need to be reinstalled, seem to create a file named .packlist in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ directory. Port like p5-Text-CSV-2.03 (textproc/p5-Text-CSV) is such ports. Reinstalling all p5-* ports is slight but overkill. Port like p5-SGMLSpm-1.03_2 (textproc/p5-SGMLSpm) is such ports. It doesn't seem to have a file that involves the old version number. The only reason it doesn't have a .packlist could be because it hasn't been reinstalled in a long time :) Since perl scripts are byte-compiled and then executed, there should be no problem if a file in a running script is replaced. The new file will be used from the next run. Regards. 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Sat, 21 Oct 2023 21:12:44 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202310211305.39LD5Qt8086896@nuc.oldach.net> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 21:12:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lang/perl5.36: update procedure written in UPDATING is not enough To: Tatsuki Makino Cc: "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000047d22c06084651e8" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SClKT4xJ7z4Ql7 --00000000000047d22c06084651e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 5:10=E2=80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino wrote: > Helge Oldach wrote on 2023/10/21 14:49: > > portupgrade -f `pkg query %ro-%rv lang/perl5.28` > > In the case of portmaster, it is portmaster -r perl5- . > Reinstalling everything listed in `pkg info -q -r perl5` like this is > overkill. > Perhaps that is why the method that used to be "portmaster -r perl5-" > (20141126) is now using "portmaster -f `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.26`". > > Most of *.pm files installed in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ > use DynaLoader, so most ports that install it have a library linked to > libperl.so.5.36. > So, those ports are targeted for updating as per the procedure. > > Ports that are not targeted for updating in this procedure, but need to b= e > reinstalled, seem to create a file named .packlist in > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ directory. > Port like p5-Text-CSV-2.03 (textproc/p5-Text-CSV) is such ports. > > Reinstalling all p5-* ports is slight but overkill. > Port like p5-SGMLSpm-1.03_2 (textproc/p5-SGMLSpm) is such ports. > It doesn't seem to have a file that involves the old version number. > The only reason it doesn't have a .packlist could be because it hasn't > been reinstalled in a long time :) > > Since perl scripts are byte-compiled and then executed, there should be n= o > problem if a file in a running script is replaced. > The new file will be used from the next run. > > Regards. > I think portmaster has a bug. As per the man page, the behavior of '-f' matches the behavior of '-R -f". Actually, I'm unclear on what the purpose '-f' is. If you run portmaster with no options on a port that is up to date, it still reinstalls it and has for a very long time, maybe always. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --00000000000047d22c06084651e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 5:10=E2= =80=AFPM Tatsuki Makino <t= atsuki_makino@hotmail.com> wrote:
Helge Oldach wrote on= 2023/10/21 14:49:
> portupgrade -f `pkg query %ro-%rv lang/perl5.28`

In the case of portmaster, it is portmaster -r perl5- .
Reinstalling everything listed in `pkg info -q -r perl5` like this is overk= ill.
Perhaps that is why the method that used to be "portmaster -r perl5-&q= uot; (20141126) is now using "portmaster -f `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.= 5.26`".

Most of *.pm files installed in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ u= se DynaLoader, so most ports that install it have a library linked to libpe= rl.so.5.36.
So, those ports are targeted for updating as per the procedure.

Ports that are not targeted for updating in this procedure, but need to be = reinstalled, seem to create a file named .packlist in /usr/local/lib/perl5/= site_perl/mach/5.36/ directory.
Port like p5-Text-CSV-2.03 (textproc/p5-Text-CSV) is such ports.

Reinstalling all p5-* ports is slight but overkill.
Port like p5-SGMLSpm-1.03_2 (textproc/p5-SGMLSpm) is such ports.
It doesn't seem to have a file that involves the old version number. The only reason it doesn't have a .packlist could be because it hasn= 9;t been reinstalled in a long time :)

Since perl scripts are byte-compiled and then executed, there should be no = problem if a file in a running script is replaced.
The new file will be used from the next run.

Regards.

I think portmaster has a = bug. As per the man page, the behavior of '-f' matches the behavior= of '-R -f".=C2=A0 Actually, I'm unclear on what the purpose &= #39;-f' is. If you run portmaster with no options on a port that is up = to date, it still reinstalls it and has for a very long time, maybe always.=


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--00000000000047d22c06084651e8-- From nobody Sun Oct 22 04:42:52 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCm0V4dHkz4y2v3 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 04:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: from nuc.oldach.net (hmo.in-vpn.de [IPv6:2001:67c:1407:60::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hmo.in-vpn.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCm0T2Bdqz4VCH for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 04:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@oldach.net designates 2001:67c:1407:60::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@oldach.net; dmarc=none Received: from nuc.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPS id 39M4gqOR020345 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 06:42:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) id 39M4gqvr020344 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 06:42:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Message-Id: <202310220442.39M4gqvr020344@nuc.oldach.net> Subject: Re: lang/perl5.36: update procedure written in UPDATING is not enough In-Reply-To: From Tatsuki Makino at "22 Oct 2023 07:50:44" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 06:42:52 +0200 (CEST) From: freebsd@oldach.net (Helge Oldach) X-No-Archive: Yes List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (nuc.oldach.net [0.0.0.0]); Sun, 22 Oct 2023 06:42:52 +0200 (CEST) for IP:127.0.0.1 DOMAIN:localhost HELO:nuc.oldach.net FROM:freebsd@oldach.net RCPT: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[oldach.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29670, ipnet:2001:67c:1400::/45, country:DE]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCm0T2Bdqz4VCH Tatsuki Makino wrote on Sun, 22 Oct 2023 00:50:44 +0200 (CEST): > Most of *.pm files installed in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ use DynaLoader, so most ports that install it have a library linked to libperl.so.5.36. Actually only a fraction of perl ports requires libperl.so. For example one of my machines: # pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.36 | wc -l 35 # pkg files | fgrep mach/5.36 | sed s/\ .*// | uniq | wc -l 128 # > Ports that are not targeted for updating in this procedure, but need to be reinstalled, seem to create a file named .packlist in /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36/ directory. Indeed, but that's not covered by the 20181213 procedure at all. Which is why this thread rightfully started. > Reinstalling all p5-* ports is slight but overkill. Yes - but it's rather cheap to reinstall such ports, as in many cases "installing" is just mungling text and moving files around. The point I was trying to make is that p5-* is not even comprehensive, as some ports don't have a name starting with p5-. The thing is that such ports' files may need to be moved from site_perl/mach/5.34 to site_perl/mach/5.36 still. Likewise to clean up the legacy left in site_perl/mach/5.34. Kind regards Helge From nobody Sun Oct 22 09:11:54 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCt144rtFz4yHhD for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:14:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCt121K7rz3HQG; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 09:13:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de designates 178.254.4.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de; dmarc=none Received: from [77.7.5.42] (helo=c720-1400094.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1quUWx-004kLV-AT; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:13:55 +0200 Received: from c720-1400094 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c720-1400094.unixarea.de (8.17.1/8.14.9) with ESMTP id 39M9DsvR003291; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:13:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by c720-1400094 (8.17.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 39M9Cs8H003284; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:12:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: c720-1400094: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:11:54 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT r1400094 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 77.7.5.42 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.17 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.369]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:178.254.4.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCt121K7rz3HQG I'm used to use gwenview for image viewing and manipulating. Since I updated to recent ports (via git at September 22, exact version see below) the start is VERY lazy. It takes 27 secs to present the image when started with 'gwenview file.jpg' from a shell. Any ideas or help? matthias gwenview-23.08.0 Name : gwenview Version : 23.08.0 Installed on : Sun Sep 24 11:27:49 2023 CEST Origin : graphics/gwenview Architecture : FreeBSD:14:amd64 Prefix : /usr/local Categories : kde-applications kde graphics Licenses : LGPL20 Maintainer : kde@FreeBSD.org WWW : http://gwenview.sourceforge.net Comment : Image viewer and browser for KDE Options : DOCS : on Shared Libs required: libwayland-client.so.0 libtiff.so.5 libpng16.so.16 libphonon4qt5.so.4 liblcms2.so.2 libkImageAnnotator.so.0 libjpeg.so.8 libexiv2.so.28 libX11.so.6 libQt5Xml.so.5 libQt5X11Extras.so.5 libQt5Widgets.so.5 libQt5WaylandClient.so.5 libQt5Svg.so.5 libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 libQt5Network.so.5 libQt5Gui.so.5 libQt5DBus.so.5 libQt5Core.so.5 libQt5Concurrent.so.5 libKF5XmlGui.so.5 libKF5WindowSystem.so.5 libKF5WidgetsAddons.so.5 libKF5TextWidgets.so.5 libKF5SonnetUi.so.5 libKF5Solid.so.5 libKF5Service.so.5 libKF5Parts.so.5 libKF5Notifications.so.5 libKF5KIOWidgets.so.5 libKF5KIOGui.so.5 libKF5KIOFileWidgets.so.5 libKF5KIOCore.so.5 libKF5KDcraw.so.5 libKF5JobWidgets.so.5 libKF5ItemViews.so.5 libKF5ItemModels.so.5 libKF5IconThemes.so.5 libKF5I18n.so.5 libKF5GuiAddons.so.5 libKF5FileMetaData.so.3 libKF5CoreAddons.so.5 libKF5ConfigWidgets.so.5 libKF5ConfigGui.so.5 libKF5ConfigCore.so.5 libKF5Completion.so.5 libKF5Codecs.so.5 libKF5Bookmarks.so.5 libKF5Baloo.so.5 libKF5AuthCore.so.5 libKF5Auth.so.5 libKF5Activities.so.5 Shared Libs provided: libgwenviewlib.so.5 Annotations : FreeBSD_version: 1400094 build_timestamp: 2023-09-22T01:09:11+0000 built_by : poudriere-git-3.3.99.20220831 port_checkout_unclean: no port_git_hash : 2a6cfd50d ports_top_checkout_unclean: no ports_top_git_hash: 1a898a009 repo_type : binary repository : FreeBSD Flat size : 11.1MiB Description : Gwenview is a fast and easy to use image viewer for KDE. Features: - Supports simple image manipulations: rotate, mirror, flip, and resize. - Supports basic file management actions such as copy, move, delete, and others. - Functions both as a standalone application and an embedded viewer in the Konqueror web browser. - Can be extended using KIPI plugins. -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю с Россией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. From nobody Sun Oct 22 10:54:40 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCwFP425Tz4yNWw for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 10:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=N7wB=GE=klop.ws=ronald-lists@realworks.nl) Received: from smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl (smtp-relay-int.realworks.nl [194.109.157.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCwFP0sTWz3Rb2; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 10:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=N7wB=GE=klop.ws=ronald-lists@realworks.nl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 12:54:40 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=klop.ws; s=rw2; t=1697972080; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ArOz96bh/2cMZSErx/tn6A5fMbq7BZ1Ob76WA2YO+2Q=; b=zt4fhpUdTRhkab1cnFDAPT6nvJ0q2ag3wJl6l5c3C/7G0wI4VgsJuae8TejblR8KI8z4Jj oYKM2OF++a0Zk8ExiRDCNt+9fVNzCRAEn+y1mJqEd/E7lUSlmj9qwKmkH4BmLjoanPH7yg 1et0XE3c8irQw5FHdUgHSC2b59qqSw8S09qlotvwSKRQnLqSnGhO3blgnGKYaepKxsSIiL lLlPOpjxD9cJhFgS1RvbOmQQQXNifZC/ohOp4VWEcyxvBy22Lbj+kpEvGJlQPOrvKBngr/ uYWfmgzIzC1Rwr2hDCwE7QNUFuXaXd1K1CXzebhv5uBATMqC/TmEeIq0U6pDng== From: Ronald Klop To: Matthias Apitz Cc: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1396284672.14842.1697972080394@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14841_2016404828.1697972080327" X-Mailer: Realworks (676.2) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCwFP0sTWz3Rb2 ------=_Part_14841_2016404828.1697972080327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, This needs some debugging of the application. During these 27 seconds it can be interesting to get the output of: procstat -kk procstat -t This shows if the application is waiting for the kernel. Use 'top' to see if the application is running 100% CPU or not. Use 'iostat -d -x 1' to see if it is waiting for IO. Dtrace might also be useful to see what the application is doing, but I don't know the proper syntax from the top of my head. Regards, Ronald. Van: Matthias Apitz Datum: zondag, 22 oktober 2023 11:11 Aan: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Onderwerp: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start > > I'm used to use gwenview for image viewing and manipulating. Since I > updated to recent ports (via git at September 22, exact version see > below) the start is VERY lazy. It takes 27 secs to present the image > when started with 'gwenview file.jpg' from a shell. > > Any ideas or help? > > matthias > > > gwenview-23.08.0 > Name : gwenview > Version : 23.08.0 > Installed on : Sun Sep 24 11:27:49 2023 CEST > Origin : graphics/gwenview > Architecture : FreeBSD:14:amd64 > Prefix : /usr/local > Categories : kde-applications kde graphics > Licenses : LGPL20 > Maintainer : kde@FreeBSD.org > WWW : http://gwenview.sourceforge.net > Comment : Image viewer and browser for KDE > Options : > DOCS : on > Shared Libs required: > libwayland-client.so.0 > libtiff.so.5 > libpng16.so.16 > libphonon4qt5.so.4 > liblcms2.so.2 > libkImageAnnotator.so.0 > libjpeg.so.8 > libexiv2.so.28 > libX11.so.6 > libQt5Xml.so.5 > libQt5X11Extras.so.5 > libQt5Widgets.so.5 > libQt5WaylandClient.so.5 > libQt5Svg.so.5 > libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 > libQt5Network.so.5 > libQt5Gui.so.5 > libQt5DBus.so.5 > libQt5Core.so.5 > libQt5Concurrent.so.5 > libKF5XmlGui.so.5 > libKF5WindowSystem.so.5 > libKF5WidgetsAddons.so.5 > libKF5TextWidgets.so.5 > libKF5SonnetUi.so.5 > libKF5Solid.so.5 > libKF5Service.so.5 > libKF5Parts.so.5 > libKF5Notifications.so.5 > libKF5KIOWidgets.so.5 > libKF5KIOGui.so.5 > libKF5KIOFileWidgets.so.5 > libKF5KIOCore.so.5 > libKF5KDcraw.so.5 > libKF5JobWidgets.so.5 > libKF5ItemViews.so.5 > libKF5ItemModels.so.5 > libKF5IconThemes.so.5 > libKF5I18n.so.5 > libKF5GuiAddons.so.5 > libKF5FileMetaData.so.3 > libKF5CoreAddons.so.5 > libKF5ConfigWidgets.so.5 > libKF5ConfigGui.so.5 > libKF5ConfigCore.so.5 > libKF5Completion.so.5 > libKF5Codecs.so.5 > libKF5Bookmarks.so.5 > libKF5Baloo.so.5 > libKF5AuthCore.so.5 > libKF5Auth.so.5 > libKF5Activities.so.5 > Shared Libs provided: > libgwenviewlib.so.5 > Annotations : > FreeBSD_version: 1400094 > build_timestamp: 2023-09-22T01:09:11+0000 > built_by : poudriere-git-3.3.99.20220831 > port_checkout_unclean: no > port_git_hash : 2a6cfd50d > ports_top_checkout_unclean: no > ports_top_git_hash: 1a898a009 > repo_type : binary > repository : FreeBSD > Flat size : 11.1MiB > Description : > Gwenview is a fast and easy to use image viewer for KDE. > > Features: > - Supports simple image manipulations: rotate, mirror, flip, and resize. > - Supports basic file management actions such as copy, move, delete, > and others. > - Functions both as a standalone application and an embedded viewer > in the Konqueror web browser. > - Can be extended using KIPI plugins. > -- > Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > > I am not at war with Russia. > . > Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. > > > > ------=_Part_14841_2016404828.1697972080327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

This needs some debugging of the application.

During these 27 seconds it can be interesting to get the output of:

procstat -kk <pid>
procstat -t <pid>

This shows if the application is waiting for the kernel.

Use 'top' to see if the application is running 100% CPU or not.
Use 'iostat -d -x 1' to see if it is waiting for IO.

Dtrace might also be useful to see what the application is doing, but I don't know the proper syntax from the top of my head.

Regards,
Ronald.

 

Van: Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>
Datum: zondag, 22 oktober 2023 11:11
Aan: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start


I'm used to use gwenview for image viewing and manipulating. Since I
updated to recent ports (via git at September 22, exact version see
below) the start is VERY lazy. It takes 27 secs to present the image
when started with 'gwenview file.jpg' from a shell.

Any ideas or help?

    matthias


gwenview-23.08.0
Name           : gwenview
Version        : 23.08.0
Installed on   : Sun Sep 24 11:27:49 2023 CEST
Origin         : graphics/gwenview
Architecture   : FreeBSD:14:amd64
Prefix         : /usr/local
Categories     : kde-applications kde graphics
Licenses       : LGPL20
Maintainer     : kde@FreeBSD.org
WWW            : http://gwenview.sourceforge.net
Comment        : Image viewer and browser for KDE
Options        :
    DOCS           : on
Shared Libs required:
    libwayland-client.so.0
    libtiff.so.5
    libpng16.so.16
    libphonon4qt5.so.4
    liblcms2.so.2
    libkImageAnnotator.so.0
    libjpeg.so.8
    libexiv2.so.28
    libX11.so.6
    libQt5Xml.so.5
    libQt5X11Extras.so.5
    libQt5Widgets.so.5
    libQt5WaylandClient.so.5
    libQt5Svg.so.5
    libQt5PrintSupport.so.5
    libQt5Network.so.5
    libQt5Gui.so.5
    libQt5DBus.so.5
    libQt5Core.so.5
    libQt5Concurrent.so.5
    libKF5XmlGui.so.5
    libKF5WindowSystem.so.5
    libKF5WidgetsAddons.so.5
    libKF5TextWidgets.so.5
    libKF5SonnetUi.so.5
    libKF5Solid.so.5
    libKF5Service.so.5
    libKF5Parts.so.5
    libKF5Notifications.so.5
    libKF5KIOWidgets.so.5
    libKF5KIOGui.so.5
    libKF5KIOFileWidgets.so.5
    libKF5KIOCore.so.5
    libKF5KDcraw.so.5
    libKF5JobWidgets.so.5
    libKF5ItemViews.so.5
    libKF5ItemModels.so.5
    libKF5IconThemes.so.5
    libKF5I18n.so.5
    libKF5GuiAddons.so.5
    libKF5FileMetaData.so.3
    libKF5CoreAddons.so.5
    libKF5ConfigWidgets.so.5
    libKF5ConfigGui.so.5
    libKF5ConfigCore.so.5
    libKF5Completion.so.5
    libKF5Codecs.so.5
    libKF5Bookmarks.so.5
    libKF5Baloo.so.5
    libKF5AuthCore.so.5
    libKF5Auth.so.5
    libKF5Activities.so.5
Shared Libs provided:
    libgwenviewlib.so.5
Annotations    :
    FreeBSD_version: 1400094
    build_timestamp: 2023-09-22T01:09:11+0000
    built_by       : poudriere-git-3.3.99.20220831
    port_checkout_unclean: no
    port_git_hash  : 2a6cfd50d
    ports_top_checkout_unclean: no
    ports_top_git_hash: 1a898a009
    repo_type      : binary
    repository     : FreeBSD
Flat size      : 11.1MiB
Description    :
Gwenview is a fast and easy to use image viewer for KDE.

Features:
 - Supports simple image manipulations: rotate, mirror, flip, and resize.
 - Supports basic file management actions such as copy, move, delete,
   and others.
 - Functions both as a standalone application and an embedded viewer
   in the Konqueror web browser.
 - Can be extended using KIPI plugins.
-- 
Matthias Apitz, guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045
Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub

I am not at war with Russia.
.
Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
 

  ------=_Part_14841_2016404828.1697972080327-- From nobody Sun Oct 22 11:27:11 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCwz26Qgmz4yPhF for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCwz24LPYz3TXj; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 11:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [188.174.49.19] (helo=c720-1400094.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1quWc7-006AdI-9a; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 13:27:24 +0200 Received: from c720-1400094.fritz.box (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c720-1400094.unixarea.de (8.17.1/8.14.9) with ESMTP id 39MBRFQD004599; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 13:27:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by c720-1400094.fritz.box (8.17.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 39MBRBer004598; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 13:27:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: c720-1400094.fritz.box: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 13:27:11 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Ronald Klop Cc: kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Ronald Klop , kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <1396284672.14842.1697972080394@localhost> List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1396284672.14842.1697972080394@localhost> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT r1400094 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.49.19 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCwz24LPYz3TXj El día domingo, octubre 22, 2023 a las 12:54:40p. m. +0200, Ronald Klop escribió: > Hi, > > This needs some debugging of the application. > > During these 27 seconds it can be interesting to get the output of: I found the point where it spends this amount of time. I run $ truss -o gwenview.tr -d gwenview and with grep/vim I found the point in time where it waits 25 secs for something: ... 2.001783437 socket(PF_LOCAL,SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) = 21 (0x15) 2.002053139 connect(21,{ AF_UNIX "/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" },33) = 0 (0x0) ... 2.019812505 sendmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^A\0\^A \0\0\0\v\0\0\0\M^H\0\0"...,152},{"\^V\0\0\0org.freedesktop.UPower"...,32}],2,{},0,0},MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 184 (0xb8) 27.024832498 poll({ 11/POLLIN 12/POLLIN 21/POLLIN },3,25068) = 1 (0x1) 27.024978322 recvmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^C\^A\^Ac\0\0\0\a\0\0\0m\0\0\0"...,2048}],1,{},0,MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC},MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = 227 (0xe3) 27.025182480 recvmsg(21,0x896a197b0,MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) ERR#35 'Resource temporarily unavailable' i.e. it sends something to /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket and waits 25 secs in poll(2) for the answer until it timesout after 25086 millisecs. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю с Россией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. From nobody Sun Oct 22 12:15:31 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCy2p0vwdz4xDKT for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 12:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCy2n5n8Yz3YTV; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 12:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-507a5f2193bso2717968e87.1; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 05:15:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697976944; x=1698581744; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Sy6qqJ/zWCz7DaaFMV7sKBvhMoU5TGuI+gDtpX0D75o=; b=I8PbBjVzlC4CC4PuZA5XY3x3Yufpn0jX6RRTVTuUSAXm/ftxJSBoQ39sWudGhqpipm nQoOthA0ApyIdTOyL5p7busNrEfN7fl1FBS1Toh/1b7xoz2kXr0tT6azWpt/iTKs91y2 /91RhG110BeKR6E7sWZfbo4+7BmtIgCVUdFS+f0iwPcO1b4apR/n6ytNk/kc/s+tyo8/ cmehyzlsN6TXx7kmNUgkG2yUocYvTz7ev67hrpuera/w2W2dAA0o1USsa8YwcuICI0YA Z/O1rDj0bT1fJcTauvaSLZNPq1+NWT5uMmMOB81JwtVDgLL2ocRNL2J4zhsFutVFUHPU EtqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697976944; x=1698581744; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Sy6qqJ/zWCz7DaaFMV7sKBvhMoU5TGuI+gDtpX0D75o=; b=xLJcJlVP5yleKkqDwjsPGQvWrd980oYMfDHo9FX4XbdPG+Tf9YIS9gfeI2ft8aHcTn gCTscd0LkfdgCHebEfPmrZlm+7BS/DaGGwuxK4YJ4J5jW60Dy+sCX+ftl9OyiD3AGwOQ UgAhYEeL8cuqYpO5PkUYDLmjrbQmNRkn3wx4jwfN8bfc1jACDqyu/JScUlpZXIdww9Q/ ESSj1QoQsKKOuexvdlbWnQfPXL954a5OAKG9AVTlsMV0qkcPaHbeVR9QjlpyxXqInOVW cUV24UwXRQ9Rqip4YiFbSwwYfqmjmspBTl+EkXKhWDV/LKFN85qLGqOCPMdEfCHXEQ0b mfrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzimfShLzZpotZCZCcl0JX7/jdEWeYInDkr57tYZtyKMFUElPvF wKjIvXYzubptezC0YejHvGcAsF20qXe2J3MzmBQNA6bCi3k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEg2TTfsNJRT2x0vfNkTDp6cLDUscmX27nAmzP48dG1PN0owlvwOZWf79Reg6odzKH4Xs9mcnm/LDMmUUgfQW4= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:424c:0:b0:4fb:a088:cfca with SMTP id m12-20020ac2424c000000b004fba088cfcamr1878133lfl.6.1697976943652; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 05:15:43 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1396284672.14842.1697972080394@localhost> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 14:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start To: Matthias Apitz , Ronald Klop , kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009032cc06084d104b" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCy2n5n8Yz3YTV --0000000000009032cc06084d104b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:27=E2=80=AFPM Matthias Apitz w= rote: > El d=C3=ADa domingo, octubre 22, 2023 a las 12:54:40p. m. +0200, Ronald K= lop > escribi=C3=B3: > > > Hi, > > > > This needs some debugging of the application. > > > > During these 27 seconds it can be interesting to get the output of: > > I found the point where it spends this amount of time. I run > > $ truss -o gwenview.tr -d gwenview > > and with grep/vim I found the point in time where it waits 25 secs for > something: > > ... > 2.001783437 socket(PF_LOCAL,SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 21 (0x15) > 2.002053139 connect(21,{ AF_UNIX "/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket" },33) = =3D > 0 (0x0) > ... > 2.019812505 sendmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^A\0\^A > \0\0\0\v\0\0\0\M^H\0\0"...,152},{"\^V\0\0\0org.freedesktop.UPower"...,32}= ],2,{},0,0},MSG_NOSIGNAL) > =3D 184 (0xb8) > 27.024832498 poll({ 11/POLLIN 12/POLLIN 21/POLLIN },3,25068) =3D 1 (0x1) > 27.024978322 > recvmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^C\^A\^Ac\0\0\0\a\0\0\0m\0\0\0"...,2048}],1,{},0,= MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC},MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) > =3D 227 (0xe3) > 27.025182480 recvmsg(21,0x896a197b0,MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) ERR#35 'Resource > temporarily unavailable' > > i.e. it sends something to /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket and waits 25 > secs in poll(2) for the answer until it timesout after 25086 millisecs. > > matthias > Try having a look with qdbusviewer and exporting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS if necessary. >From your log it seems it is accessing org.freedesktop.UPower the specific method is not shown. What if you try to call UPower by hand? dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest=3Dorg.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPower.EnumerateDevices Cheers. > > -- > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ > +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > > I am not at war with Russia. > =D0=AF =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=8E=D1=8E =D1=81 =D0=A0=D0=BE=D1=81=D1= =81=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=B9. > Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. > > --0000000000009032cc06084d104b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:27=E2=80=AF= PM Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de<= /a>> wrote:
E= l d=C3=ADa domingo, octubre 22, 2023 a las 12:54:40p. m. +0200, Ronald Klop= escribi=C3=B3:

> Hi,
>
> This needs some debugging of the application.
>
> During these 27 seconds it can be interesting to get the output of:
I found the point where it spends this amount of time. I run

$ truss -o gwenview.tr -d gwenview

and with grep/vim I found the point in time where it waits 25 secs for
something:

...
2.001783437 socket(PF_LOCAL,SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC,0) =3D 21 (0x15)
2.002053139 connect(21,{ AF_UNIX "/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"= ; },33) =3D 0 (0x0)
...
2.019812505 sendmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^A\0\^A \0\0\0\v\0\0\0\M^H\0\0&quo= t;...,152},{"\^V\0\0\0org.freedesktop.UPower"...,32}],2,{},0,0},M= SG_NOSIGNAL) =3D 184 (0xb8)
27.024832498 poll({ 11/POLLIN 12/POLLIN 21/POLLIN },3,25068) =3D 1 (0x1) 27.024978322 recvmsg(21,{NULL,0,[{"l\^C\^A\^Ac\0\0\0\a\0\0\0m\0\0\0&qu= ot;...,2048}],1,{},0,MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC},MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) =3D 227 (0xe3)
27.025182480 recvmsg(21,0x896a197b0,MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) ERR#35 'Resource = temporarily unavailable'

i.e. it sends something to /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket and waits 25
secs in poll(2) for the answer until it timesout after 25086 millisecs.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 matthias

Tr= y having a look with qdbusviewer and exporting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS if = necessary.
From your log it seems it is accessing org.freedesktop= .UPower the specific method is not shown.

What if = you try to call UPower by hand?

<= /div>
dbus-send --print-reply \ --system \ --dest= =3Dorg.freedesktop.UPower \ /org/freedesktop/UPower \ org.freedesktop.UPowe= r.EnumerateDevices

Cheers.

--
Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045
Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub

I am not at war with Russia.
=D0=AF =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=8E=D1=8E =D1=81 =D0=A0=D0=BE=D1=81=D1= =81=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=B9.
Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.

--0000000000009032cc06084d104b-- From nobody Sun Oct 22 12:53:22 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SCytH0PK6z4xG9b; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 12:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from fc.opsec.eu (fc.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200:4::4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SCytG2VkTz3bqF; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 12:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2001:14f8:200:4::4 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pi@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=pi@freebsd.org; dmarc=none Received: from pi by fc.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1quXxK-000OMQ-0G; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 14:53:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 14:53:22 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Pat Maddox Cc: freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeking guidance on submitting several new Python-based ports Message-ID: References: <02ef0f84-d0a8-43e0-a726-8eee263de515@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-python@freebsd.org,freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12502, ipnet:2001:14f8::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[pi]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SCytG2VkTz3bqF Hi! > > How should I go about submitting these new ports? > > If you add one port per PR and set the proper dependencies in each PR, > it's easy for several committers to work on those ports. All the new ports are added to the tree. I hope I did not miss any. -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 Now what ? 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c720-1400094.fritz.box: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:19:24 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Fernando =?utf-8?Q?Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Cc: Ronald Klop , kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Image viewer gwenview needs 27 secs to start Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Fernando =?utf-8?Q?Apestegu=C3=ADa?= , Ronald Klop , kde@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <1396284672.14842.1697972080394@localhost> List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT r1400094 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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The name org.freedesktop.UPower.EnumerateDevices gave me the hint: Days ago I move away /usr/local/libexec/upowerd to /usr/local/libexec/upowerd.away and copied /bin/true to /usr/local/libexec/upowerd to investigate another issue I have with KDE5 (switching between the virtual desktops does not work fast). I renamed it again and gwenview behaves normal. Thanks for your help. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю с Россией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. 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Sun, 22 Oct 2023 17:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1048-g9229b632c5-fm-20231019.001-g9229b632 List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <02ef0f84-d0a8-43e0-a726-8eee263de515@app.fastmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 14:05:44 -0700 From: "Pat Maddox" To: "Kurt Jaeger" Cc: freebsd-python@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Seeking guidance on submitting several new Python-based ports Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SD9pl4wTBz3LQq On Sun, Oct 22, 2023, at 5:53 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> > How should I go about submitting these new ports? >>=20 >> If you add one port per PR and set the proper dependencies in each PR, >> it's easy for several committers to work on those ports. > > All the new ports are added to the tree. I hope I did not miss any. That=E2=80=99s all of them, thanks! 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module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SDB4C4m08z3Ms8 Helge Oldach wrote on 2023/10/22 13:42: > The point I was trying to make is that p5-* is not even comprehensive, > as some ports don't have a name starting with p5-. The thing is that > such ports' files may need to be moved from site_perl/mach/5.34 > to site_perl/mach/5.36 still. Likewise to clean up the legacy left in > site_perl/mach/5.34. In Mk/Uses/perl5.mk, it seems that each version is made to be separate by the definition of SITE_ARCH variable. https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/Mk/Uses/perl5.mk#n95 Then there is the processing related to .packlist. https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/Mk/Uses/perl5.mk#n288 Here, the paths generated using PERL_VER seem to have the following /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.36 libperl.so.5.36 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.36/man Therefore, it is sufficient to find a port related to a library that is not the current version and a port related to a file in a path that is not the current version. So, the command written in my email at the beginning of this thread is needed :) Regards. 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As per the man page, the behavior of '-f' > matches the behavior of '-R -f". Actually, I'm unclear on what the purpose > '-f' is. If you run portmaster with no options on a port that is up to > date, it still reinstalls it and has for a very long time, maybe always. It is not so much a bug as a behavior that requires strange thinking :) At least -f is valid for the -a option. I rarely use it :) portmaster -a -f # This is definitely something that will fail :) portmaster -a -f -R # After repairing something that failed, continue with the rest. No need to build rust or gcc twice :) I have never used -f in combination with individual ports. Or even using -f for it, but never thought much about it :) The following is a speculative explanation of the behavior, which differs from the actual implementation... If used without options, it is assumed to be already moved to and used in a port directory somewhere in porttree. cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg && portmaster Otherwise, it tries to make with Makefile in the current directory, or make in HOME directory. They are bugs :) Now assume two imaginary flags. One flag is to forcefully update, and the other is to use a mechanism to allow a restart in case of failure. When using -a, all installed ports are queued. But they are not all forcefully updated. Only those with increased version numbers will be updated. If -f is used there, all of them will be flagged to be forced to update and to be restartable in case of failure. -R can be used. If individual ports are given as arguments, they will be queued and flagged which will force them to be updated. If -f is used there, it is already determined to force update, so it only activates the feature that allows restart on failure. So it would seem that there is such a difference :) The above two flags change depending on the -f option and the way the port to be updated is given. When restarting by -R, it seems to me that the ports to be queued must be exactly the same to go. For example, if executed as follows portmaster -f `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.34` portmaster -f -R `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.34` The number of arguments when using -R is reduced by the number of successfully updated ports. ... I estimated this as such :) If not, first I need to see what's in portmaster more. However, this is a tool that has existed since the last generation, so there may still be many behaviors that do not fit with pkgng. Regards. 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One of these was > lang/rust -- which failed to build (I can send error strings). > If you used portmaster, there is a problem with the '-f' option. It is unnecessary and results in re-installing many ports that do not use libperl. lang/rust is one. Just re-enter the portmaster command without the '-f'. # portmaster `pkg shlib -qR libperl.so.5.26` The man page for portmaster(8) says that dependencies are reinstalled when '-R' is added to '-f', but just '-f' triggers a reinstall of a port and all of its dependency tree. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --000000000000e821510608565aff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 1:42=E2= =80=AFPM William Bulley <web@umich.edu<= /a>> wrote:
In my attempt to upgrade to Perl 5.36 several o= ther ports were
affected and had to be rebuilt/reinstalled.=C2=A0 One of these was
lang/rust -- which failed to build (I can send error strings).

If you used portmaster, there is= a problem with the '-f' option. It is unnecessary and results in r= e-installing many ports that do not use libperl. lang/rust is one. Just re-= enter the portmaster command without the '-f'.
# por= tmaster `pkg=C2=A0=C2=A0 shlib -qR libperl.so.5.26`

The man page for portmaster(8) says that dependencies are reins= talled when '-R' is added to '-f', but just '-f' tr= iggers a reinstall of a port and all of its dependency tree.

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FORGED_MUA_SEAMONKEY_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/16]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.53.23:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.80.0.0/12, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SDJNm5V2vz4G0Q Tatsuki Makino wrote on 2023/10/23 08:03: > Now assume two imaginary flags. > One flag is to forcefully update, and the other is to use a mechanism to allow a restart in case of failure. > If -f is used there, all of them will be flagged to be forced to update and to be restartable in case of failure. -R can be used. > If -f is used there, it is already determined to force update, so it only activates the feature that allows restart on failure. > The above two flags change depending on the -f option and the way the port to be updated is given. I thought this was the case, but when I actually tried it, everything I wrote here was a lie :) -f behaves differently enough to tell you not to use it :) This -f also propagates to all *_DEPENDS ports and attempts to rebuild them. Therefore, it should not be used in perl updates. The only way to use -R to restart from a failure in the middle of the process seems to be to use -r. Otherwise, reassign and run what was written out to portmasterfail.txt However, the only way to force a rebuild for -a is to use -f. The fact that the target is -a hides this inconvenient behavior. Regards. 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Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)?=C2=A0

CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.

From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library.

I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.

So: does anyone know where we're at with this?

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Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Langille Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.100.2.1.4\)) Subject: output of RUN_DEPENDS changes unexpectedly Message-Id: <51D9023C-5829-4615-9A16-3060853CD9C0@langille.org> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:45:33 -0400 To: FreeBSD Ports X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.100.2.1.4) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.27]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.27:from]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dan]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[langille.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFLbs5Jqqz4DVg Hello, I noticed an anomaly today.=20 Watch how the output of make -V RUN_DEPENDS changes for tomcat-devel as = we move through the tree. This is a fresh checkout of ports [18:40 empty dan /usr/ports] % cd www/tomcat-devel [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon = /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21 The above is valid output [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout 5699269 Note: switching to '5699269'. You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in = this state without impacting any branches by switching back to a branch. If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may do so (now or later) by using -c with the switch command. Example: git switch -c Or undo this operation with: git switch - Turn off this advice by setting config variable advice.detachedHead to = false HEAD is now at 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to = support Java versions 20+ [18:42 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /bin/java: That's not right. I tried commits before and after 5699269 - both good. Inquiring minds, FreshPorts not the least, wants to know why the = RUN_DEPENDS failed for that commit. [18:43 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout d994e83 Previous HEAD position was 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust = rc.d script to support Java versions 20+ HEAD is now at d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: = Update to 2.12.1 [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS = jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon = /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21 [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout 2fdb6fb Previous HEAD position was d994e83b45c4 = net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1 HEAD is now at 2fdb6fb45908 www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to = support Java versions 20+ [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS = jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon = /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21 =E2=80=94=20 Dan Langille http://langille.org/ From nobody Tue Oct 24 19:12:13 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFMBZ2SXWz4yP9w for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (fuz.su [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:e508::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "fuz.su", Issuer "fuz.su" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFMBY1C8Pz4LNY for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fuz@fuz.su designates 2001:41d0:8:e508::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fuz@fuz.su; dmarc=none Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 39OJCDQt068071 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:12:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 39OJCDvN068070 for ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:12:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:12:13 +0200 From: Robert Clausecker To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: We need to do something about build times Message-ID: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SImME72nDArYNZp2" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.06 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[fuz@freebsd.org,fuz@fuz.su]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[fuz]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[fuz@freebsd.org,fuz@fuz.su]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFMBY1C8Pz4LNY --SImME72nDArYNZp2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable. Frequent updates to key ports (like llvm*, rust, gcc*) make it so that basically every time I prepare a new batch of commits, I have to rebuild a variety of toolchain ports across 8 jails (amd64/i386/arm64/armv7 each for FreeBSD 12.4 and 13.2). This takes multiple days. And I'm working with hardware that's quite recent (for x86, an 8 thread Skylake box, for arm, an 8 thread Windows 2023 dev kit). By the time the builds are done, some random update has usually caused the ports to be out of date again, so if I were to rebase, I would have to do all of this again. And again. And again. Particularly bad offenders are gcc and rust. Ccache is ineffective for these as gcc has LTO turned on, which seems to more than triple the regular build time to more than 24 hours even on a fast Skylake box. This is single threaded as I build multiple ports at once; if I were to build multi-threaded, the same amount of total CPU hours would have been spent, so that would not fix my problem. Ccache is also ineffective for rust of course. There's another issue in that ccache doesn't scale to large cache sizes (my experiments show that anything larger than 20 GB seems to cause problems as ccache repeatedly tries to scan the whole thing for evictions), and the sizes that work are just not enough to be effective. What would help is being able to have one cache for each combination of ports tree and jail, but Poudriere has no support for that. Another bad offender is texlive. For some reason, texlive-texmf needs to be rebuilt frequently, despite mostly comprising data that is just unpacked and repacked. This takes forever and pegs the disk at 100% for more than an hour as the texlive source tarball is repeatedly extracted and then compressed into packages. I don't get why the texlive stuff is not split in such a way that the stuff that is just repacked lives in its own port with no dependencies so it only needs to be rebuilt on rare texlive updates. And it seems I'm slowly killing my build SSD like that. After just about 9 months, it is already at 100 TB of writes just from port builds. Building with workdirs in memory is no longer an option as that frequently kills my build server by filling all its RAM with build files until no processes can be started anymore. Poudriere does not have an effective mechanism to prevent this (tmpfs limits don't work as the ports in question require very large workdirs, tend to take very long to build and tend to be built all at the same time for multiple jails). Using prebuilt packages is not an option as they lag behind by several days/weeks and lead to an inconsistent testing environment. It is also not a good solution to chose non-default build options for these ports as it is not clear if that would affect the validity of the testbuilds. How can we fix this problem and make ports development sustainable again? Some ideas: - disable LTO and other options by default that increase build times by such a ridiculous degree. This would really make a huge impact with very little work. I don't think LTO on toolchain ports improves build times enough in comparison to the extra time it takes to build these. - for gcc, switch to single or no bootstrap by default. We have known good toolchains we use to build gcc. There's really no reason to build it multiple times just out of paranoia. The maintainer is supposed to check that gcc is built correctly without bootstrapping so consumers don't need to build it multiple times. - untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger rebuilds of critical ports. For example, llvm docs could be moved to separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain do not trigger an LLVM rebuild. - reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default. E.g. USES=3Dllvm could depend on the light flavour by default. I'm sure only very few ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to build. - rework Poudriere's rebuild detection to not rebuild every port for every random bullshit thing. For example, I don't see why ports need to be rebuilt for transitive changes in build dependencies. E.g. if port A has build depends on port B which build depends on port C, and C is updated, then A has to be rebuilt despite its direct dependencies being unchanged. This does not appear to be reasonable. - unbundle libraries more thoroughly. We currently have dozens of copies of LLVM, skia, webkit, and others in tree as ports just bundle them instead of even making an attempt at unbundling. This means that every time they need to be patched, it's a whackamole at finding all copies. Plus build times suffer a lot. I know it's hard, but perhaps something can be done. For example, I have given up on trying to make electron work on armv7 as with every major version update, my patches are randomly being dropped and I have to do it all again. Like all chromium ports, electron takes over two days to build on my arm box and my time is insufficient for that. - stop bulk bumping RUN_DEPENDS consumers when dependencies are updated, or at least think carefully before doing so. RUN_DEPENDS are only installed after the build and should not affect the build. For example, sysutils/cdrtools uses the command line opus encoder and thus depends on audio/opus. There is absolutely no reason to bump it when audio/opus is updated. It just causes everybody to needlessly rebuild and reinstall ports. Sure there's the odd case where that needs to be done, but it seems like some maintainers just always do that, even when it's not needed. - maybe add a system where ports can declare the oldest version of themselves they are compatible to, in the sense that consumers only need to be rebuilt if they were built against a version older than that. For example, if a shared library is updated with a bug fix that does not change the ABI, there's no need to rebuild all consumers. With great frustration, Robert Clausecker --=20 () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world=20 /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments --SImME72nDArYNZp2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEExWcBrcoFY7LMaPxvWXxDScqS3gUFAmU4FwlfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM1 NjcwMUFEQ0EwNTYzQjJDQzY4RkM2RjU5N0M0MzQ5Q0E5MkRFMDUACgkQWXxDScqS 3gVJVw/9HxCXRhdlSkOydtSFYgmSxdr4LGGMjf0y4APFSHjbA7oFOnIrBpZidM6I 5O9bhGNN2YCACFh/ae4jCUnM1YkKih51YmW4qHhNsCIS0Dhewhq1l3TUPZQv6XrU 6DpA56JIwhkM7FRVDwbaC2paf5t6CyXxtMaLbWeE7F3W3GoUqKkcVTqyxYHX2PPH Erfl/iuIcIuhFxk+USPKV0a4bKi/sQ5KgleCYMpNV7D3ck0vWbeiiqsJkFhWLFav LNaJ1788bNTgEU38/iAksLAypKwgvm/z8sTkztacJE10mYEsXbSCzYKek3Y5I97q R/9DqIkl7k5RCQeA60dw9AsyMkVmUAjGO3+CchV4Tx7lkeE2/tBOyXfwZFsiJpak +uFnplo6+i/21GgdelmjRvJoFgt/1aNbCP8/eysBqaljt7lmFWBMrWQsNJHiliW4 +i5itMQP3v2QsqzktT5Pv/8iQRcm9Wm9xgh8vaX9immdMegOhIq0b3xzflRsx+3m 4GaFPDzhx+2+rphlwYE/hNqe20uwdGmT4e6A3EQ7BR0dxCcpXxwbTADkyM0dYCjn POTc3uOub9ewQBT/jvJBoWn/A0ZM5Lz8xGmwSfu5XOoLfhI/DugJvuwoAL0OeUxn BPSZoY3Wddcx9aBO1duWQ8CSvSq9L23l/f+fofzpuKwRyy5AFp8= =ahrV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SImME72nDArYNZp2-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 19:35:37 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFMjT4H78z4xR1g for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from fc.opsec.eu (fc.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200:4::4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFMjT1R14z4S5R; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from pi by fc.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1qvNBh-000NpH-13; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:35:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:35:37 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Robert Clausecker Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times Message-ID: References: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12502, ipnet:2001:14f8::/32, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFMjT1R14z4S5R Hi! > The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable. Yes. Thank you for the great problem statement! -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 Now what ? From nobody Tue Oct 24 19:37:18 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFMlV0NMHz4yPx6 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com (wilbur.contactoffice.com [212.3.242.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFMlT5LMvz4SS3; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ichabod.co-bxl (ichabod.co-bxl [10.2.0.36]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D493E05; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:37:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1698176242; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc; l=6964; bh=QKx1iKml3Gd5FAh5/cVLY004v8qmpQ1OA0/J1SB63rU=; b=ir2QcehRNZ7CuT3Fj7huNtpXLpTArhVmjq7CnN7dvBheQH8m8jrCE4lT9P+uYoef IBOlRUJXhtYvqbZjvy61D/nC7rd4tzCpgIMvjdzoiLANSYv8EHjFRrb2HtgySWGRbsc /9DD813JIY+51Y3dELguq38enPXnmEYA1kuKv0Vq+LtA3JDWfmggDL08/R6ypp9AfQK hMeNtyjCjV33W5aUnSvhKkpLHpyDITyzIl3RwO4AaVhK02GAh4jVdQksJ24TjC9/8KL hOlwM526q+6ZvLMDF2Ad5Q+o4Vk6QL6fByxEDfuFhuu+bSHt1kZwqWPdQ+Cz9WZ99z9 SQhtwypNQg== Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:37:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Sysadmin Lists To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1781920819.96097.1698176238817@ichabod.co-bxl> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Clausecker X-Mailer: ContactOffice Mail X-ContactOffice-Account: com:312482426 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:203, ipnet:212.3.242.64/26, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFMlT5LMvz4SS3 > ---------------------------------------- > From: Robert Clausecker > Date: Oct 24, 2023, 12:12:13 PM > To: > Subject: We need to do something about build times > > > The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable. > Frequent updates to key ports (like llvm*, rust, gcc*) make it so that > basically every time I prepare a new batch of commits, I have to rebuild > a variety of toolchain ports across 8 jails (amd64/i386/arm64/armv7 each > for FreeBSD 12.4 and 13.2). This takes multiple days. And I'm working > with hardware that's quite recent (for x86, an 8 thread Skylake box, for > arm, an 8 thread Windows 2023 dev kit). > > By the time the builds are done, some random update has usually caused > the ports to be out of date again, so if I were to rebase, I would have > to do all of this again. And again. And again. > > Particularly bad offenders are gcc and rust. Ccache is ineffective for > these as gcc has LTO turned on, which seems to more than triple the > regular build time to more than 24 hours even on a fast Skylake box. > This is single threaded as I build multiple ports at once; if I were to > build multi-threaded, the same amount of total CPU hours would have been > spent, so that would not fix my problem. Ccache is also ineffective for > rust of course. > > There's another issue in that ccache doesn't scale to large cache sizes > (my experiments show that anything larger than 20 GB seems to cause > problems as ccache repeatedly tries to scan the whole thing for evictions), > and the sizes that work are just not enough to be effective. What would > help is being able to have one cache for each combination of ports tree > and jail, but Poudriere has no support for that. > > Another bad offender is texlive. For some reason, texlive-texmf needs to > be rebuilt frequently, despite mostly comprising data that is just > unpacked and repacked. This takes forever and pegs the disk at 100% for > more than an hour as the texlive source tarball is repeatedly extracted > and then compressed into packages. I don't get why the texlive stuff is > not split in such a way that the stuff that is just repacked lives in its > own port with no dependencies so it only needs to be rebuilt on rare > texlive updates. > > And it seems I'm slowly killing my build SSD like that. After just about > 9 months, it is already at 100 TB of writes just from port builds. > Building with workdirs in memory is no longer an option as that frequently > kills my build server by filling all its RAM with build files until no > processes can be started anymore. Poudriere does not have an effective > mechanism to prevent this (tmpfs limits don't work as the ports in > question require very large workdirs, tend to take very long to build and > tend to be built all at the same time for multiple jails). > > Using prebuilt packages is not an option as they lag behind by several > days/weeks and lead to an inconsistent testing environment. It is also > not a good solution to chose non-default build options for these ports > as it is not clear if that would affect the validity of the testbuilds. > > How can we fix this problem and make ports development sustainable again? > > Some ideas: > > - disable LTO and other options by default that increase build times by > such a ridiculous degree. This would really make a huge impact with > very little work. I don't think LTO on toolchain ports improves build > times enough in comparison to the extra time it takes to build these. > > - for gcc, switch to single or no bootstrap by default. We have known > good toolchains we use to build gcc. There's really no reason to > build it multiple times just out of paranoia. The maintainer is > supposed to check that gcc is built correctly without bootstrapping > so consumers don't need to build it multiple times. > > - untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger > rebuilds of critical ports. For example, llvm docs could be moved to > separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain do not > trigger an LLVM rebuild. > > - reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default. E.g. USES=llvm > could depend on the light flavour by default. I'm sure only very few > ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to build. > > - rework Poudriere's rebuild detection to not rebuild every port for > every random bullshit thing. For example, I don't see why ports need > to be rebuilt for transitive changes in build dependencies. E.g. if > port A has build depends on port B which build depends on port C, and > C is updated, then A has to be rebuilt despite its direct dependencies > being unchanged. This does not appear to be reasonable. > > - unbundle libraries more thoroughly. We currently have dozens of > copies of LLVM, skia, webkit, and others in tree as ports just bundle > them instead of even making an attempt at unbundling. This means that > every time they need to be patched, it's a whackamole at finding all > copies. Plus build times suffer a lot. I know it's hard, but perhaps > something can be done. For example, I have given up on trying to make > electron work on armv7 as with every major version update, my patches > are randomly being dropped and I have to do it all again. Like all > chromium ports, electron takes over two days to build on my arm box > and my time is insufficient for that. > > - stop bulk bumping RUN_DEPENDS consumers when dependencies are updated, > or at least think carefully before doing so. RUN_DEPENDS are only > installed after the build and should not affect the build. For > example, sysutils/cdrtools uses the command line opus encoder and thus > depends on audio/opus. There is absolutely no reason to bump it when > audio/opus is updated. It just causes everybody to needlessly rebuild > and reinstall ports. Sure there's the odd case where that needs to be > done, but it seems like some maintainers just always do that, even > when it's not needed. > > - maybe add a system where ports can declare the oldest version of > themselves they are compatible to, in the sense that consumers only > need to be rebuilt if they were built against a version older than > that. For example, if a shared library is updated with a bug fix > that does not change the ABI, there's no need to rebuild all consumers. > > With great frustration, > Robert Clausecker > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world > /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments Well done diagnostics reporting, and the suggestions look reasonable to me as well. 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On 24/10/2023 18:24, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 24/10/2023 13:54, DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote:
Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)?

CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.

=C2=A0From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression= in pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library.

I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.

So: does anyone know where we're at with this?


certbot is running just fine for me on stable/14 with openssl 3.x from ports.=C2=A0 Note that stable/14 has openssl 3.x in base.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Cheers,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Matthew


Yes ;)=C2=A0


I knew that that would be 'the other option', but tracking -RELEASE and its patch levels is currently preferred over here.

=

Got a tip about 'dehydrated', so maybe that'll work for now, until 14-REL is on the books.

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(256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "fuz.su", Issuer "fuz.su" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFNmz0cC2z4Z1Y for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 39OKNj9T068509 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:23:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 39OKNjBx068508; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:23:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:23:45 +0200 From: fuz@freebsd.org To: Lorenzo Salvadore Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times Message-ID: References: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1OTt4BIAZnAKakTV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFNmz0cC2z4Z1Y --1OTt4BIAZnAKakTV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lorenzo, Am Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 08:11:29PM +0000 schrieb Lorenzo Salvadore: > Disabling LTO_BOOTSTRAP option by default has > already been done for the devel ports on the i386, amd64 > and aarch64 architectures (so for all tier 1 platforms): > https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3Ddaf12c76bd531335f58e7602afd3b= c8da8fc5c33 > The same is about to be done for the production ports > too as part of a larger update: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D273397 This is great news and I hope sincerely that this change will be applied to all ports. > However, please note that LTO_BOOTSTRAP is an option: > if the build times are too long for you, you can disable > the option. The option has been enabled by default to > distribute optimized packages, not because it is recommend > to build the port with that option enabled. Actually, I even > wrote a warning about it in pkg-help. As mentioned earlier, it is impossible for me to know if non-default build options have any effect downstream, so for acceptance testing (i.e. testing before I commit an update), I don't think I should use any non-default options. Perhaps we can reach a consensus on whether LTO_BOOTSTRAP being the default really makes sense. The same applies to LTO use in other ports. Sure it's nice for performance, but for most software, there is barely any difference and build times suffer significantly. Maybe LTO could be enabled on a per-port basis where it has been established that the port significantly benefits? > I think that for most people disabling any bootstrap is > perfectly fine, still enabling it by default should produce > more stable official packages (I have not checked: GCC ports are > very complex to maintain and I have lots of higher priorities > issues to solve). Again, users are free to disable > the option if they want faster builds and do not need any bootstrap. Thank you for your hard work on this port. > Cheers, >=20 > Lorenzo Salvadore Yours, Robert Clausecker --=20 () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world=20 /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments --1OTt4BIAZnAKakTV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEExWcBrcoFY7LMaPxvWXxDScqS3gUFAmU4J81fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM1 NjcwMUFEQ0EwNTYzQjJDQzY4RkM2RjU5N0M0MzQ5Q0E5MkRFMDUACgkQWXxDScqS 3gWozxAAglZz1pBk8+oa8nnB3nJgKIICs5Wmcs1VMTM3XbmvJVmix6zQbP0XUmZX qGDZYcJ3DWxG2KlA/E95oO2qnq8fxh+8u7UlVz7VOqVlgHaSdk3y2a/TB/lZz8xu b1kRPK+RLrWOkSZCz8+5s66z6W+Mvkzs7kMIqw1X1Q6BZjy2k6seGHJzUm8HOFn5 SoBrRWUTxuqcy6DfYxk+sziyPLOQVXgWIXfV9RXODLx9frn0HfZM2Vaaiz40/UxB 5beWe2sHVJiIZ7HLLx9uYEAT4RunziEemnBHH5vngtct3MSwSX7ygJ7S3hwhRBnm vdFTJF/c/TogIWOBnQt+OMT1er25/QXXj+RD/YTfkraf8wGs9JlCOuJevjQ55ZG1 QUH6P03rXN9IOmxdhfdUDjtS8ySSX8ZxpYlgzTI4sJpV1JyTB4Q+se9YyQ1Sutb1 Qn4BlSgzBa38EeDAPKWUpDzbJ0TZeQHKNfh1UyLYyjhSvhNOJW6D7s6flX2LNXQF AobxUzz91ypnHgN2oVsePAJBkaWZywolI89RC1I2VHi9UTsNc+gDly1DWDBI5IBQ C+tqBqoFG68r534xYYlR4/lkRkM9oq51GYwp3ZPR63H/5pJONikAVfD95AsugXGw 74O0vL+nttuWdncfiK5EAVt35HNjZ3ivtzmXS6rWvxLQeoVljEY= =Cq4v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1OTt4BIAZnAKakTV-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 20:55:20 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFPTX59Hdz4xVsy for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:55:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFPTX043Tz4c8M; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id 047513C019A; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:55:20 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Robert Clausecker Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times Message-ID: References: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:199.48.128.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFPTX043Tz4c8M I'll reply to LLVM specific suggestions On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 09:12:13PM +0200, Robert Clausecker wrote: > - untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger > rebuilds of critical ports. For example, llvm docs could be moved to > separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain do not > trigger an LLVM rebuild. They are built as of the individual component builds. If there's a way to build only docs that might be doable with flavors, but I don't have time to investigate this. > - reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default. E.g. USES=llvm > could depend on the light flavour by default. I'm sure only very few > ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to build. That would be great, but without PROVIDES/REQUIRES might be a problem in practice due to dependency conflicts. If we could figure out what dependent ports actually need we could consider relegating features nothing depends on to a "full" flavor. Ideally we'd also have subpackages so that e.g., users could depend on lldb from the full package. One idea I've started to implement with llvm10 is cutting down the default set of options for older LLVM ports that are mostly build depends or to provide llvm libs. The downside is that un-exercised options will rot as we don't manage to fix them up during base compiler updates, but we could also prune those entirely after an appropriate period of time. I'd also like to present another idea to better enable binary dependencies for certain tools: One of the benefits we get from the base system compiler is that it only changes when you do an OS update. As we consider entirely external toolchains, that gets lost. I think there could be value in a middle tier of bits, stored in a separate package repository (likely with an alternative LOCALBASE) that could be used for builds. I'd likely include binutils, clang/lld, gcc, and rust there. IMO we need this if we want to build releases from external toolchains since we need reproducibility. We actually use something related in CheriBSD-ports to install aarch64 binaries for some tools when building CheriABI (memory safe) packages. -- Brooks From nobody Tue Oct 24 22:12:13 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFRBQ753Bz4xbHc for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFRBP6YMXz3Fr4 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:12:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=hC8t48aY; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gushi.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org Received: from smtpclient.apple (vpn-us.f.root-servers.org [149.20.8.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 39OMCN8o011715 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:12:24 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 39OMCN8o011715 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1698185544; bh=Xb8yR3gVj95hEcEETRMaLwiCHeyI0/kEkQMkKKU4nbE=; h=From:Subject:Date:To; z=From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|Subject:= 20Another=20morning=20lost=20to=20bad=20ports=20choices=20(perl=20 upgrade,=20plus=0D=0A=20postgres)|Date:=20Tue,=2024=20Oct=202023=2 015:12:13=20-0700|To:=20ports@freebsd.org; b=hC8t48aYRvY5I+evqx3J+qgfGhOYA21PumQoohmIzq/XEVcgFZmGM8Wv8feSJOVXJ kzepPkJPKJ+4YG95HcEhf55PMRmOiXWKwGzORgLbU1ui1mlnIzTT6X9TxWEhELfCKC VKMfu2Pilo+JcOhssT8Mkg3V8Elasz8meb6R/7a7MaPA4z5mQaBLEXHyjSLSBopq5J 6hj0JZYxfC4Z5wKYCYwpfcEe3iP8/dAFZg5AnFouOli0ExfGkXUWBafLwSa4+ITjFF RMPQ9a2OOs/kbn6/Q2MVHl0iZgAcOmthHXSyiXXVcRmTohma2og0kGdqWSpe/nMzUl N2unYBfyjS2kQ== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host vpn-us.f.root-servers.org [149.20.8.9] claimed to be smtpclient.apple From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.100.2.1.4\)) Subject: Another morning lost to bad ports choices (perl upgrade, plus postgres) Message-Id: <034BDF27-C9FC-4EBC-901E-21A4BB81AF31@gushi.org> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:12:13 -0700 To: ports@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.100.2.1.4) X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.10 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[gushi.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gushi.org,none]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gushi.org:s=prime2014]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:server fail,149.20.8.9:server fail]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gushi.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFRBP6YMXz3Fr4 All, I=E2=80=99ve lost another morning to a bad choice made by ports/pkg. Maybe this is a dumb question/rant, but recently, a routine pkg upgrade = of the dayjob=E2=80=99s RT VM (which included an upgrade to perl) = decided to leave me with no ability to connect. After following the = rabbit hole, I hit a database connect error. p5-dbd-pg was still installed, according to pkg, but none of the perl = libraries could find it, because it was in the wrong perl include dir = (/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.32/DBD/Pg.pm, when the perl = version was 5.34) Now, postgresql13 is still in pkg, still works, and according to = Freshports indirectly requires postgresql13 (by way of requining libpq), = and it still builds cleanly if you set DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dpgsql=3D13 in = make.conf,=20 But apparently, if you use pkg, and you try to decide you need the perl = driver, you=E2=80=99re boned. But should you attempt to just reinstall = it? Nope. # pkg install p5-DBD-Pg Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. Checking integrity... done (2 conflicting) - postgresql15-client-15.4 conflicts with postgresql13-client-13.12 on = /usr/local/bin/clusterdb - postgresql15-client-15.4 conflicts with postgresql13-client-13.12 on = /usr/local/bin/clusterdb Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) The following 5 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be REMOVED: postgresql13-client: 13.12 postgresql13-server: 13.12 New packages to be INSTALLED: postgresql15-client: 15.4 Installed packages to be UPGRADED: p5-DBD-Pg: 3.16.0 -> 3.17.0 Installed packages to be REINSTALLED: pkg-1.20.8 =3D=3D=3D Also, I love how it doesn=E2=80=99t offer to upgrade the server as well. = Who needs that thing? So the point of view is apparently =E2=80=9Cyeah, you can install a = whole big postgres server/client, and a big language like perl, and all = the dependencies for something complicated like RT without having a full = ports tree, but if you try to install the tiny little stub that lets = perl talk to that database, HAHA nope." This happened a year ago, too. It=E2=80=99s not freebsd=E2=80=99s fault = that Postgres requires a full dump and restore of all your databases to = do an upgrade (where mysql handles major version upgrades just fine), = but the version bumps should be cognizant of this. My fix for this was *sigh* portsnap fetch updete, cd = /usr/ports/databases/p5-dbd-Pg, make, make deinstall, make = reinstall=E2=80=A6pkg lock p5-dbd-Pg Yes, I know that I should be ready to upgrade to 15 at some point, on = whatever quarterly port boundary it=E2=80=99s decided, =E2=80=9CI guess = that=E2=80=99s when=E2=80=9D, with no advance notice, via the full = stupid dump-and-restore process. I don=E2=80=99t run =E2=80=9Cpkg upgrade=E2=80=9D because I=E2=80=99m = interested in the exercise of debugging the latest ports shenanigans, I = run it because =E2=80=9Cpkg audit=E2=80=9D complains at me about = vulnerable things, and in general it=E2=80=99s good to keep things up to = speed But once in a while, I lose a whole morning to nonsense like this, and = it feels preventable. -Dan= From nobody Wed Oct 25 00:31:34 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFVGy24wSz4xjvG for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: from fuz.su (fuz.su [IPv6:2001:41d0:8:e508::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "fuz.su", Issuer "fuz.su" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFVGx3kYjz3Qt8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fuz@fuz.su designates 2001:41d0:8:e508::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fuz@fuz.su; dmarc=none Received: from fuz.su (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 39P0VYI0069735 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 02:31:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz@fuz.su) Received: (from fuz@localhost) by fuz.su (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 39P0VYjp069734 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 02:31:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fuz) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 02:31:34 +0200 From: Robert Clausecker To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Avoiding OOM for armv7 ports on arm64 Message-ID: List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGSWqEapCkRvaqJ" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.97 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.87)[-0.872]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[fuz@freebsd.org,fuz@fuz.su]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[fuz]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[fuz@freebsd.org,fuz@fuz.su]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFVGx3kYjz3Qt8 --KsGSWqEapCkRvaqJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, One thing that bugged me for quite a while is that armv7 tasks on arm64 hosts (common case for cross-building ports) can seemingly only allocate 2 GB of memory despite having access to a full 32 bit virtual address space, which should give 4 GB of memory to play around with. This causes many ports to fail due to address space exhaustion in LLVM and rustc. Debugging this with kib, we found that poor default and lack of kernel code are to blame (PR #274705). A workaround can be applied to select roughly the same defaults as used for i386 tasks on amd64: To /etc/sysctl.conf, add kern.maxssiz=3D67108864 kern.maxdsiz=3D536870912 to restrict the stack reservation to 64M. This also affects 64 bit processes, but I don't think anybody needs more stack than that. Data is restricted to 512M, which doesn't really matter for 64 bit as we do not support sbrk on arm64. Then reboot, or apply these limits with the sysctl utility. Hope this helps! 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In the machine where those packages are installed, there's no need to update ports that don't show up in the result of pkg version. However, since the version number is also recorded in the dependencies in the package, everything is rebuilt just to rewrite it. For example, information displayed by pkg query -F llvm15-15.0.7_7.pkg %dn-%dv. Some time can be saved by manually running a dry run of poudriere and examining it for the above reasons. However, contamination occurs, which reduces the reliability that the packages is normal :) But can someone create a tool that can automate such a workaround? I have created a tool that could be a clue to that :) It is left somewhere in freebsd-ports@ or ports@ :) Below is a list of packages that take a long time to build and workarounds. gcc12: It is removed when binutils is updated or otherwise. If +*MANIFEST is rewritten only when the binutils version changes, there is little need to rebuild. llvm1?: Deleted when python is updated. When python is updated, simply rewrite +*MANIFEST to eliminate the need to rebuild. webkit2-gtk?: It will be removed as part of the upstream update of gtk. Manually rebuilding gtk would help. qt5-webkit: In most cases, it is caught up in the upstream update of gt5-gui and removed. Manually rebuilding qt5-gui would help. py-qt5-pyqt: It can usually be helped by manually rebuilding upstream. doxygen: I want some patch in bug 259331 :) In most cases, it is just caught up in the fact that graphbiz has been deleted, so just rebuild graphbiz. texlive-texmf: It is involved in texlive-base being removed and deleted. When this is removed, the high volume of access to the file takes up a lot of time. Or rather, I suspect that a bug was introduced in the middle of stable/12 that made it vulnerable to multiple simultaneous accesses of files :) There are many reasons why texlive-base may be removed. ghostscript, poppler, what else was there? :) When nss is updated, for some reason poppler is also deleted (reason unknown). ffmpeg: This has been used in so many places that it would be very difficult to have it removed. However, aom and vulkan are frequently updated and removed, so if they are candidates for a dry run, this should also be manually rebuilt. gstreamer1-*: Sometimes it is better to rebuild this area manually, as it will have a negative impact downstream. glib20: If we don't make mistakes in the procedure, there is surprisingly little to rebuild. If you make a mistake in the procedure, texlive will be deleted :) rust: If the curl is just caught up in the deletion of the curl, then simply rebuilding the curl is all that is needed. If the curl is updated, it can be solved by rewriting the +*MANIFEST. If rust itself is updated, we will have no choice but to watch Net*lix. When there is an update of something like gettext, there is no way to get around it :) Anyway, poudriere is just looking there :) https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/blob/master/src/share/poudriere/include/pkg.sh#L128 Regards. From nobody Wed Oct 25 06:31:49 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFfGs0Kb4z4y5bT for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFfGr4jvFz4V3J; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-507a62d4788so8358731e87.0; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1698215521; x=1698820321; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=d6fbLcVu+LSE42Ic4PRmEgW/sZIeCDY319xdequixiw=; b=Zk1WxsSZNhCGuo0ahy2q2XFMpxaLAgDYYjc20xuzbQBaWwp1v21gle+NOvGVPQfx56 QE/NVLzfYlBMzYxlWDZLJszFJtPNj9dQ7aghB1Zdx+vxIpQ1GxbFMhNLmy3RnTjfld2L IqAsSL+Q8u6X5kjIQm9iXrRBqAXK7j8WLKRRu1CCxS+I+CIi8OBhjEp2fgvH9IyeQOH9 1ctN9RrZ/NacrBCeri3iARuiaUOUNrLwnPlcT0iRKujDgrw5J1LGKDWuxW7kY5Adauzx ZZI/Y2Es1LkgrZK3ViKxH509a3ZeUx1tqGGyETx4U+R3yT1nLMpclVa1eNgn4fXobWT5 dOyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698215521; x=1698820321; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=d6fbLcVu+LSE42Ic4PRmEgW/sZIeCDY319xdequixiw=; b=Nx5ldH9wNgMAqA0Wk1oIR0YPEiBKGOf3q62A1GnBqthXRGsHP0LAj2qJJ3g7VAS7mK TCrPzqO2U7Ot71l7S8rUb7Pw5Sxg1fYhe1UMuW7SzN9LmyunuKLGuoyOJ+R8nQUxWzvj JYBenI1U0K094BdXZgFeEt8rbeNng4KgBdsByZdPhYP7PTErfSt13QsF+5EOduHi4kpm kTD77OAEhFN6D5x5XSePrrsW4rb0y26PIMwlnqbX0MaHs2HUqG1eg/2mJaoQ7VpeVBmn CcP7amMIYTGNAs6va5Z7II5ADkXJfIsNbBe9D0JEESW+2bpZobqQYQ0uN4MhIErD+Blq cccA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzqU58Y+HlcUq9Yyg7EH8EYZaqTQC12laS994dA/Iy4QTl6KliQ pZw1OFem2RGDEUG3/BYgbxl6RaTG1LI7+O7FOVYZCq7TAsY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHSLGqfpY7KyFomVbuR73dr21YEcRUQleF5PaK58c3sIWw5Wl6YDq9iLnRWx/WFHJOzA1fJOrPEbDzDP8A8hoE= X-Received: by 2002:a19:6455:0:b0:507:9ff7:2ed4 with SMTP id b21-20020a196455000000b005079ff72ed4mr9696337lfj.43.1698215520825; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:32:00 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:31:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times To: Robert Clausecker Cc: ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000def8540608849c2b" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFfGr4jvFz4V3J --000000000000def8540608849c2b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:12=E2=80=AFPM Robert Clausecker = wrote: > The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable. > Frequent updates to key ports (like llvm*, rust, gcc*) make it so that > basically every time I prepare a new batch of commits, I have to rebuild > a variety of toolchain ports across 8 jails (amd64/i386/arm64/armv7 each > for FreeBSD 12.4 and 13.2). This takes multiple days. And I'm working > with hardware that's quite recent (for x86, an 8 thread Skylake box, for > arm, an 8 thread Windows 2023 dev kit). > > By the time the builds are done, some random update has usually caused > the ports to be out of date again, so if I were to rebase, I would have > to do all of this again. And again. And again. > > Particularly bad offenders are gcc and rust. Ccache is ineffective for > these as gcc has LTO turned on, which seems to more than triple the > regular build time to more than 24 hours even on a fast Skylake box. > This is single threaded as I build multiple ports at once; if I were to > build multi-threaded, the same amount of total CPU hours would have been > spent, so that would not fix my problem. Ccache is also ineffective for > rust of course. > There are two LTOs that can be implemented: thin and fat. ThinLTO provides almost the same benefit as FatLTO at a much smaller cost. Some software provides the two options, some others not. The people at LLVM were working on this years ago. See http://blog.llvm.org/2016/06/thinlto-scalable-and-incremental-lto.html If a port offers the two options, I think it would be a good solution to have ThinLTO by default, but think twice for FatLTO. > There's another issue in that ccache doesn't scale to large cache sizes > (my experiments show that anything larger than 20 GB seems to cause > problems as ccache repeatedly tries to scan the whole thing for evictions= ), > and the sizes that work are just not enough to be effective. What would > help is being able to have one cache for each combination of ports tree > and jail, but Poudriere has no support for that. > > Another bad offender is texlive. For some reason, texlive-texmf needs to > be rebuilt frequently, despite mostly comprising data that is just > unpacked and repacked. This takes forever and pegs the disk at 100% for > more than an hour as the texlive source tarball is repeatedly extracted > and then compressed into packages. I don't get why the texlive stuff is > not split in such a way that the stuff that is just repacked lives in its > own port with no dependencies so it only needs to be rebuilt on rare > texlive updates. > > And it seems I'm slowly killing my build SSD like that. After just about > 9 months, it is already at 100 TB of writes just from port builds. > Building with workdirs in memory is no longer an option as that frequentl= y > kills my build server by filling all its RAM with build files until no > processes can be started anymore. Poudriere does not have an effective > mechanism to prevent this (tmpfs limits don't work as the ports in > question require very large workdirs, tend to take very long to build and > tend to be built all at the same time for multiple jails). > For this, while not ideal, you can choose to build the dependencies alone in poudriere with one job. So, you build rust, gcc and llvm so they don't build at the same time. In my machine with 32 Gb RAM *without LTO* I can build in memory one port at a time. (This wasn't true some time ago with mongodb unfortunately). > > Using prebuilt packages is not an option as they lag behind by several > days/weeks and lead to an inconsistent testing environment. It is also > not a good solution to chose non-default build options for these ports > as it is not clear if that would affect the validity of the testbuilds. > I don't understand this point. If you work in batches, chances are that you will benefit from package seeding in poudriere. There might be some delay, but in general, I don't think packages lag for weeks. Have you used PACKAGE_FETCH_* in poudriere? It works pretty decently for me= . > How can we fix this problem and make ports development sustainable again? > > Some ideas: > > - disable LTO and other options by default that increase build times by > such a ridiculous degree. This would really make a huge impact with > very little work. I don't think LTO on toolchain ports improves build > times enough in comparison to the extra time it takes to build these. > > - for gcc, switch to single or no bootstrap by default. We have known > good toolchains we use to build gcc. There's really no reason to > build it multiple times just out of paranoia. The maintainer is > supposed to check that gcc is built correctly without bootstrapping > so consumers don't need to build it multiple times. > > - untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger > rebuilds of critical ports. For example, llvm docs could be moved to > separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain do not > trigger an LLVM rebuild. > > - reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default. E.g. USES=3Dllv= m > could depend on the light flavour by default. I'm sure only very few > ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to build. > > - rework Poudriere's rebuild detection to not rebuild every port for > every random bullshit thing. For example, I don't see why ports need > to be rebuilt for transitive changes in build dependencies. E.g. if > port A has build depends on port B which build depends on port C, and > C is updated, then A has to be rebuilt despite its direct dependencies > being unchanged. This does not appear to be reasonable. > > - unbundle libraries more thoroughly. We currently have dozens of > copies of LLVM, skia, webkit, and others in tree as ports just bundle > them instead of even making an attempt at unbundling. This means that > every time they need to be patched, it's a whackamole at finding all > copies. Plus build times suffer a lot. I know it's hard, but perhaps > something can be done. For example, I have given up on trying to make > electron work on armv7 as with every major version update, my patches > are randomly being dropped and I have to do it all again. Like all > chromium ports, electron takes over two days to build on my arm box > and my time is insufficient for that. > > - stop bulk bumping RUN_DEPENDS consumers when dependencies are updated, > or at least think carefully before doing so. RUN_DEPENDS are only > installed after the build and should not affect the build. For > example, sysutils/cdrtools uses the command line opus encoder and thus > depends on audio/opus. There is absolutely no reason to bump it when > audio/opus is updated. It just causes everybody to needlessly rebuild > and reinstall ports. Sure there's the odd case where that needs to be > done, but it seems like some maintainers just always do that, even > when it's not needed. > > - maybe add a system where ports can declare the oldest version of > themselves they are compatible to, in the sense that consumers only > need to be rebuilt if they were built against a version older than > that. For example, if a shared library is updated with a bug fix > that does not change the ABI, there's no need to rebuild all consumers= . > > With great frustration, > Robert Clausecker > > -- > () ascii ribbon campaign - for an 8-bit clean world > /\ - against html email - against proprietary attachments > --000000000000def8540608849c2b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:12=E2=80=AF= PM Robert Clausecker <fuz@freebsd.org= > wrote:
= The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable.
Frequent updates to key ports (like llvm*, rust, gcc*) make it so that
basically every time I prepare a new batch of commits, I have to rebuild a variety of toolchain ports across 8 jails (amd64/i386/arm64/armv7 each for FreeBSD 12.4 and 13.2).=C2=A0 This takes multiple days.=C2=A0 And I'= ;m working
with hardware that's quite recent (for x86, an 8 thread Skylake box, fo= r
arm, an 8 thread Windows 2023 dev kit).

By the time the builds are done, some random update has usually caused
the ports to be out of date again, so if I were to rebase, I would have
to do all of this again.=C2=A0 And again.=C2=A0 And again.

Particularly bad offenders are gcc and rust.=C2=A0 Ccache is ineffective fo= r
these as gcc has LTO turned on, which seems to more than triple the
regular build time to more than 24 hours even on a fast Skylake box.
This is single threaded as I build multiple ports at once; if I were to
build multi-threaded, the same amount of total CPU hours would have been spent, so that would not fix my problem.=C2=A0 Ccache is also ineffective f= or
rust of course.

There are two LTOs that= can be implemented: thin and fat.
ThinLTO provides almost the sa= me benefit as FatLTO at a much smaller cost.
Some software provid= es the two options, some others not.
The people at LLVM were work= ing on this years ago.

= =C2=A0
If a port offers the two options, I think it would be a go= od solution to have ThinLTO by default, but think twice for FatLTO.


There's another issue in that ccache doesn't scale to large cache s= izes
(my experiments show that anything larger than 20 GB seems to cause
problems as ccache repeatedly tries to scan the whole thing for evictions),=
and the sizes that work are just not enough to be effective.=C2=A0 What wou= ld
help is being able to have one cache for each combination of ports tree
and jail, but Poudriere has no support for that.

Another bad offender is texlive.=C2=A0 For some reason, texlive-texmf needs= to
be rebuilt frequently, despite mostly comprising data that is just
unpacked and repacked.=C2=A0 This takes forever and pegs the disk at 100% f= or
more than an hour as the texlive source tarball is repeatedly extracted
and then compressed into packages.=C2=A0 I don't get why the texlive st= uff is
not split in such a way that the stuff that is just repacked lives in its own port with no dependencies so it only needs to be rebuilt on rare
texlive updates.

And it seems I'm slowly killing my build SSD like that.=C2=A0 After jus= t about
9 months, it is already at 100 TB of writes just from port builds.
Building with workdirs in memory is no longer an option as that frequently<= br> kills my build server by filling all its RAM with build files until no
processes can be started anymore.=C2=A0 Poudriere does not have an effectiv= e
mechanism to prevent this (tmpfs limits don't work as the ports in
question require very large workdirs, tend to take very long to build and tend to be built all at the same time for multiple jails).
=

For this, while not ideal, you can choose to build the = dependencies alone in poudriere with one job.
So, you build rust,= gcc and llvm so they don't build at the same time.
In my mac= hine with 32 Gb RAM *without LTO* I can build in memory one port at a time.=
(This wasn't true some time ago with mongodb unfortunately).=
=C2=A0

How can we fix this problem and make ports development sustainable again?
Some ideas:

=C2=A0- disable LTO and other options by default that increase build times = by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0such a ridiculous degree.=C2=A0 This would really make a huge = impact with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0very little work.=C2=A0 I don't think LTO on toolchain por= ts improves build
=C2=A0 =C2=A0times enough in comparison to the extra time it takes to build= these.

=C2=A0- for gcc, switch to single or no bootstrap by default.=C2=A0 We have= known
=C2=A0 =C2=A0good toolchains we use to build gcc.=C2=A0 There's really = no reason to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0build it multiple times just out of paranoia.=C2=A0 The mainta= iner is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0supposed to check that gcc is built correctly without bootstra= pping
=C2=A0 =C2=A0so consumers don't need to build it multiple times.

=C2=A0- untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger =C2=A0 =C2=A0rebuilds of critical ports.=C2=A0 For example, llvm docs could= be moved to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain = do not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0trigger an LLVM rebuild.

=C2=A0- reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default.=C2=A0 E.g. US= ES=3Dllvm
=C2=A0 =C2=A0could depend on the light flavour by default.=C2=A0 I'm su= re only very few
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to buil= d.

=C2=A0- rework Poudriere's rebuild detection to not rebuild every port = for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0every random bullshit thing.=C2=A0 For example, I don't se= e why ports need
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to be rebuilt for transitive changes in build dependencies.=C2= =A0 E.g. if
=C2=A0 =C2=A0port A has build depends on port B which build depends on port= C, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0C is updated, then A has to be rebuilt despite its direct depe= ndencies
=C2=A0 =C2=A0being unchanged.=C2=A0 This does not appear to be reasonable.<= br>
=C2=A0- unbundle libraries more thoroughly.=C2=A0 We currently have dozens = of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0copies of LLVM, skia, webkit, and others in tree as ports just= bundle
=C2=A0 =C2=A0them instead of even making an attempt at unbundling.=C2=A0 Th= is means that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0every time they need to be patched, it's a whackamole at f= inding all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0copies.=C2=A0 Plus build times suffer a lot.=C2=A0 I know it&#= 39;s hard, but perhaps
=C2=A0 =C2=A0something can be done.=C2=A0 For example, I have given up on t= rying to make
=C2=A0 =C2=A0electron work on armv7 as with every major version update, my = patches
=C2=A0 =C2=A0are randomly being dropped and I have to do it all again.=C2= =A0 Like all
=C2=A0 =C2=A0chromium ports, electron takes over two days to build on my ar= m box
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and my time is insufficient for that.

=C2=A0- stop bulk bumping RUN_DEPENDS consumers when dependencies are updat= ed,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0or at least think carefully before doing so.=C2=A0 RUN_DEPENDS= are only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0installed after the build and should not affect the build.=C2= =A0 For
=C2=A0 =C2=A0example, sysutils/cdrtools uses the command line opus encoder = and thus
=C2=A0 =C2=A0depends on audio/opus.=C2=A0 There is absolutely no reason to = bump it when
=C2=A0 =C2=A0audio/opus is updated.=C2=A0 It just causes everybody to needl= essly rebuild
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and reinstall ports.=C2=A0 Sure there's the odd case where= that needs to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0done, but it seems like some maintainers just always do that, = even
=C2=A0 =C2=A0when it's not needed.

=C2=A0- maybe add a system where ports can declare the oldest version of =C2=A0 =C2=A0themselves they are compatible to, in the sense that consumers= only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0need to be rebuilt if they were built against a version older = than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that.=C2=A0 For example, if a shared library is updated with a= bug fix
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that does not change the ABI, there's no need to rebuild a= ll consumers.

With great frustration,
Robert Clausecker

--
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List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:46:26 -0700 Message-Id: <20231025064626.A5DA6168@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfDRJbPrh4BZNsWW5e6C10AuCWjWkAgm7CV2LIa9geV9YZJ4DSkV+63xLSTbq0dXawVq195kxSPNrX+4DO+3vOwpgMrAI7F7j67+ZeSMXcKvHAUju6Wcf /795KODX7knStHl0F6kK/W+V8baekUsdIvKPWBndQn/u/T/acRkZC/OA/ZmH+HkEHyUhiMFt2knjRryELEhmX8WKswbpWBBsDdPU7tYOTqWklqaB6k7YDo3S 0jzLueJmrCGQ4Nz5rk3ixQ== X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFfbT3CScz4Wlh In message <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org>, Xavier Humbert w rites: > Hi, > > When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almost > everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system. > > Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ? How much RAM does your machine have? How many CPU cores/threads does it have? -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e^(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Wed Oct 25 06:47:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFfct2cV0z4y6jS for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavier@groumpf.org) Received: from aragorn.amdh.fr (aragorn.groumpf.org [176.31.180.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFfct1r7bz4XZH for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 06:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavier@groumpf.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from numenor.groumpf.org (unknown [82.64.247.11]) by aragorn.amdh.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D373C20000410; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from numenor.groumpf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numenor.groumpf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B851C881E; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groumpf.org; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:in-reply-to :from:from:references:content-language:subject:subject :user-agent:mime-version:date:date:message-id:received:received; s=dkim; t=1698216459; x=1699080460; bh=IA1PNDI7WPCB1P7YWWOzSfbJ GEmSK+ZMUkGgI8F2j9E=; b=DRvATYzV2o4e58yu4aRzdOz948CWj+ZrtLhuQpO1 UOC8s7G6rPK0uC49zYhrLZeJ6yFDSItN8ufknrfpcTiOdRzGDXqHLiFKZEeSKuh5 sI5LOuDsgM4/HOxX+0POXZMp/JIyrvE7GKXCYKJK829Py2i4033FMLv1NKBkmqaO IZC5peauqGXOKnts80h/woSGRZc5Ed70XCM07A/lDjADjAcXLIAX1RKxv/3wU48x S37cSG+/MGooGhQPcfRzv3eUMtcG0b8y/gXWslIr0ck9PElwHSOS/DUZ4mqAb4H2 Yw3XppotjIVtJGSYySKVLXZgbNK0/3z1qYirbCRQLbXGXlCxu4Z3Zrh7bqWN3eHZ PYRd9G8UgfbherYB9+h0wjTfvOg8wYBki52DATC8GsFJYz1cpxyZmUkamdm9jJZu cxYynJadxB4gRL2Er4mVdX162GGkMi6ZCYdzVq+Eca6lGAgj50v6KrHYb27dJ7pq H3L3dQq9fvkPWFMVIvTxKODXhSti9x3cR1w8178XQ6MKfpkiCEKwvCRqrDBSNqB2 49aV4RqbY1MBJn7vWhF4gK88lzJ2yaZr0OVvBFS5MbJ8C2Pz5/1fd9Hnfo0tJcqJ BegrKXPB0s5CxcbWr7EyXAzqFMfEDLto3p9OtmaCFXIImTLpyl1eyotTAp8SHxxI DgQ= Received: from numenor.groumpf.org ([127.0.0.1]) by numenor.groumpf.org (ns3.groumpf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JK-ujtNGd6o8; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.100.30] (imladris.groumpf.org [192.168.100.30]) by numenor.groumpf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B39CE1C86F1; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:39 +0200 List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Rust build huge memory consumption Content-Language: fr To: Cy Schubert Cc: FreeBSD Ports ML References: <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org> <20231025064626.A5DA6168@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Xavier Humbert In-Reply-To: <20231025064626.A5DA6168@slippy.cwsent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:176.31.0.0/16, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFfct1r7bz4XZH Le 10/25/23 08:46, Cy Schubert a écrit : > In message <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org>, Xavier > Humbert w > rites: >> Hi, >> >> When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almost >> everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system. >> >> Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ? > How much RAM does your machine have? How many CPU cores/threads does it > have? > I have 16 GB RAM, and 4 cores Xavier -- Xavier HUMBERT - Unix/Win/MacOSX Sysadmin/Network Engineer https://www.amdh.fr From nobody Wed Oct 25 07:01:29 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFfwq6NYJz4y7SM for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFfwq5p5kz4Z3V for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id vLW0qjGNvB0n0vXtTqkhTg; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:01:31 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id vXtSqOX33MsNfvXtTqYfRk; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:01:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=KJNJsXJo c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6538bd4b a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=bhdUkHdE2iEA:10 a=C6EfLM-sAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=imQLTIGbDYNl5BaslqEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=zZCYzV9kfG8A:10 a=-LOoIXv5KNPoUydsO0ce:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6DF642; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E565C16A; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Xavier Humbert cc: Cy Schubert , FreeBSD Ports ML Subject: Re: Rust build huge memory consumption In-reply-to: <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org> References: <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org> <20231025064626.A5DA6168@slippy.cwsent.com> <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org> Comments: In-reply-to Xavier Humbert message dated "Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:47:39 +0200." List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:01:29 -0700 Message-Id: <20231025070129.E565C16A@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfJmgAxz1OwwDZ6q0QY9q1HMJuFO7rc69xfF6rBZflHAeAlqSW29pJvrCkyG3IHWXImleaHmHBs96y6hC+1FAwHmZHfeDMPLRWvTMnZ/3TXqG/kJ0dMqk brdzCRfGPLtZy7wjy+HqVq7eHDVwnXWld8tFChZ348+DudJV0a5B9RymBPmZrrwLzpskR3fmj/7pcoNiC7A//dGv9L8AsLDkTQtxmfGGaZLiYcLApAAn1QxI cPl9JG3Y3M69iNDLSLyOzg== X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFfwq5p5kz4Z3V In message <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org>, Xavier Humbert w rites: > Le 10/25/23 08:46, Cy Schubert a écrit : > > In message <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org>, Xavier > > Humbert w > > rites: > >> Hi, > >> > >> When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almost > >> everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system. > >> > >> Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ? > > How much RAM does your machine have? How many CPU cores/threads does it > > have? > > > I have 16 GB RAM, and 4 cores That should be plenty. I build it on a 4 core 8 GB machine. How much swap does it have? 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How many CPU cores/threads does it >>> have? >>> >> I have 16 GB RAM, and 4 cores > That should be plenty. I build it on a 4 core 8 GB machine. > > How much swap does it have? > > Could this machine by chance be running a browser or other large apps at > the same time? It has 24GB swap, And I stop bhyve before building Xavier -- Xavier HUMBERT - Unix/Win/MacOSX Sysadmin/Network Engineer https://www.amdh.fr --------------k58a0aQLrN0PtD1fLFvr0WGq Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Le 10/25/23 09:01, Cy Schubert a écrit :
In message <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org>, Xavier 
Humbert w
rites:

Le 10/25/23 08:46, Cy Schubert a écrit :

In message <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org>, Xavier
Humbert w
rites:

Hi,

When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almost
everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system.

Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ?

How much RAM does your machine have? How many CPU cores/threads does it
have?


I have 16 GB RAM, and 4 cores

That should be plenty. I build it on a 4 core 8 GB machine.

How much swap does it have?

Could this machine by chance be running a browser or other large apps at 
the same time?

It has 24GB swap, And I stop bhyve before building

Xavier

-- 
Xavier HUMBERT - Unix/Win/MacOSX Sysadmin/Network Engineer
https://www.amdh.fr
--------------k58a0aQLrN0PtD1fLFvr0WGq-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 07:09:19 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFgHH5GbKz4y82Z for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:17:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: from nuc.oldach.net (hmo.in-vpn.de [IPv6:2001:67c:1407:60::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hmo.in-vpn.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFgHH0QQ7z4bhJ for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:17:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@oldach.net designates 2001:67c:1407:60::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@oldach.net; dmarc=none Received: from nuc.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPS id 39P7HT1g049289 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:17:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) id 39P7HTeY049288 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:17:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Message-Id: <202310250717.39P7HTeY049288@nuc.oldach.net> Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times In-Reply-To: from Robert Clausecker at "24 Oct 2023 21:12:13" To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:09:19 +0200 (CEST) From: freebsd@oldach.net (Helge Oldach) X-No-Archive: Yes List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (nuc.oldach.net [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:17:29 +0200 (CEST) for IP:127.0.0.1 DOMAIN:localhost HELO:nuc.oldach.net FROM:freebsd@oldach.net RCPT: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.23 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.946]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[oldach.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29670, ipnet:2001:67c:1400::/45, country:DE]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFgHH0QQ7z4bhJ Robert Clausecker wrote on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:12:13 +0200 (CEST): > The build times have gone up to the point where they are unsustainable. Indeed. And that doesn't only impact ports, also src is suffering: It takes about 3/4 of the buildworld time to just make llvm. We now have something like a huge compiler with a bit of OS attached. > Using prebuilt packages is not an option Yup. 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List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="18b65b658cf56722818a240cc2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --18b65b658cf56722818a240cc2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote: > Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt > CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)? > CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running > 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, > hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the > OpenSSL 3 calls made to it. > From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in pkgconf(?) > which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore > the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library. > I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from > ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting > the path reversal addressed/fixed. > So: does anyone know where we're at with this? Memory jog: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot==2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'certbot')()) File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point return next(matches).load() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/metadata.py", line 86, in load module = import_module(match.group('module')) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "", line 1030, in _gcd_import File "", line 1007, in _find_and_load File "", line 986, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "", line 680, in _load_unlocked File "", line 850, in exec_module File "", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/main.py", line 6, in from certbot._internal import main as internal_main File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/_internal/main.py", line 21, in import josepy as jose File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/__init__.py", line 40, in from josepy.json_util import ( File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/json_util.py", line 14, in from OpenSSL import crypto File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/__init__.py", line 8, in from OpenSSL import SSL, crypto File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/SSL.py", line 9, in from OpenSSL._util import ( File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/_util.py", line 6, in from cryptography.hazmat.bindings.openssl.binding import Binding File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/openssl/binding.py", line 15, in from cryptography.exceptions import InternalError File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py", line 9, in from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_exceptions ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_rust.abi3.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled" --18b65b658cf56722818a240cc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administ= rator <DutchDaemon@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)? 

CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.

From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library.

I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.

So: does anyone know where we're at with this?

=20
Memory jog:


Traceback (most recent call las= t):
 File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", = line 33, in <module>
   s= ys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot=3D=3D2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'certbot'= )())
 File "/usr/local/bin/certbot",= line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point
&= nbsp;  return next(matches).load()
&= nbsp;File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/metadata.py", line 86, in loa= d
   module =3D import_module(m= atch.group('module'))
 File "/usr/lo= cal/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module=
   return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name= [level:], package, level)
 File "<= ;frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line = 1007, in _find_and_load
 File "<f= rozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 986, in _find_and_load_unlocked
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>= ;", line 680, in _load_unlocked
 F= ile "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 850, in exec_modul= e
 File "<frozen importlib._boots= trap>", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/main.py= ", line 6, in <module>
   = ;from certbot._internal import main as internal_main
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/_i= nternal/main.py", line 21, in <module>
=    import josepy as jose
&n= bsp;File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/__init__.py", line = 40, in <module>
   from j= osepy.json_util import (
 File "/usr= /local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/json_util.py", line 14, in <mo= dule>
   from OpenSSL import= crypto
 File "/usr/local/lib/python= 3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/__init__.py", line 8, in <module>
   from OpenSSL import SSL, crypto
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-pack= ages/OpenSSL/SSL.py", line 9, in <module>
   from OpenSSL._util import (
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/_util.py"= , line 6, in <module>
   = from cryptography.hazmat.bindings.openssl.binding import Binding
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/= cryptography/hazmat/bindings/openssl/binding.py", line 15, in <module>= ;
   from cryptography.exceptio= ns import InternalError
 File "/usr/= local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py", line 9, in &= lt;module>
   from cryptogra= phy.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_exceptions
=
ImportError: /usr/= local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_rust.abi3.s= o: Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled"
--18b65b658cf56722818a240cc2-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 08:17:03 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFhc25vZ1z4yBmr for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFhc242W6z3F3m for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id vYsCqKH3Z8jpTvZ4bqh74C; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:17:05 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id vZ4ZqOi4rMsNfvZ4aqYhpl; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 08:17:05 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=KJNJsXJo c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6538cf01 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=bhdUkHdE2iEA:10 a=C6EfLM-sAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=c3cEH2xTyY1yEMiOxUwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-LOoIXv5KNPoUydsO0ce:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A056F1; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8087D191; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:17:03 -0700 From: Cy Schubert To: Xavier Humbert Cc: FreeBSD Ports ML Subject: Re: Rust build huge memory consumption Message-ID: <20231025011703.2480bd16@slippy> In-Reply-To: <1c494f89-0023-46af-8200-58e621603c33@groumpf.org> References: <09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org> <20231025064626.A5DA6168@slippy.cwsent.com> <5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org> <20231025070129.E565C16A@slippy.cwsent.com> <1c494f89-0023-46af-8200-58e621603c33@groumpf.org> Organization: KOMQUATS X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfJv84gGuTCGAI52D8umiWiQzS1XNfiz1w2X9EwLMi3DWgXmXw0Jm9ro0iVGP2cFW8ytDTVU1327DJ3YRfHRSmjrWqjcQxXPEPcq8d9WJZ2uT7Le/VsXQ rtEO+/R3+dEJ43tE8VzU/TTEBGRL7ZkS1u0dzYsTSAGt5AyxTr5v32U9WgUWKHmPf5ngaToYFOvhJFjhiWZCQdeQISEZwjZoOf5nMSKRTa5jCMtxgCyEo2aW H11TTqyeWsr+iioBF13ReQ== X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFhc242W6z3F3m On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:03:48 +0200 Xavier Humbert wrote: > Le 10/25/23 09:01, Cy Schubert a =C3=A9crit : > > In message<5816a79c-9bd0-4c41-9520-eed853aa15a4@groumpf.org>, Xavier > > Humbert w > > rites: =20 > >> Le 10/25/23 08:46, Cy Schubert a =C3=83=C2=A9crit : =20 > >>> In message<09a4bfb8-ba61-4e05-b646-973104337f77@groumpf.org>, Xavier > >>> Humbert w > >>> rites: =20 > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almo= st > >>>> everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system. > >>>> > >>>> Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ? =20 > >>> How much RAM does your machine have? 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Message-ID: References: <76713a44-1fa4-41ee-a4f9-177907e9a57f@FreeBSD.org> <18b65b654d0.2818.b36d34a15fda208b80f54b6ad54d9e04@freebsd.org> List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18b65b654d0.2818.b36d34a15fda208b80f54b6ad54d9e04@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (nivlheim.karlsen.tech [0.0.0.0]); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:12:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.09 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[karlsen.tech,quarantine]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[vidar@karlsen.tech,SRS0=5lLz=GH=karlsen.tech=vidar@nivlheim.karlsen.tech]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[karlsen.tech:s=mail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:178.62.212.206/32]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[vidar@karlsen.tech,SRS0=5lLz=GH=karlsen.tech=vidar@nivlheim.karlsen.tech]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:178.62.192.0/18, country:US]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[karlsen.tech:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFjqt3BlLz3KkK On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 09:22:11AM +0200, Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote: > On October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator > wrote: > > Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt > > CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)? > > CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when > > running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system > > OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not > > understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it. > > From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in > > pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes > > py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the > > base system library. > > I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w > > from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in > > getting the path reversal addressed/fixed. > > So: does anyone know where we're at with this? > > > Memory jog: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in > sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot==2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'certbot')()) > File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point > return next(matches).load() [...] > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py", > line 9, in > from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_exceptions > ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_rust.abi3.so: > Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled" What solved this problem for me was to apply the v2 patch from the pkgconf PR 273961 [1]. The next hurdly you'll probably run into [2] can be solved by running certbot with the following env variable: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=1 [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273961 [2] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273656 Hope this helps! -- Vidar From nobody Wed Oct 25 09:12:35 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFjrD2VSHz4yFcq for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=lkkf=GH=klop.ws=ronald-lists@realworks.nl) Received: from smtp-relay-int-backup.realworks.nl (smtp-relay-int-backup.realworks.nl [87.255.56.188]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SFjrC5n1gz3LPJ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=lkkf=GH=klop.ws=ronald-lists@realworks.nl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from rwvirtual98.colo.realworks.nl (rwvirtual98.colo.realworks.nl [10.0.10.102]) by mailrelayint1.colo2.realworks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SFjr432h7z3xFZ; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:12:36 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=klop.ws; s=rw2; t=1698225156; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=eeDOwdfvjZw+ijjWp2Ew5WkZiAAkmKQbUs4+5yH8rQE=; b=qg1H83Ir66BZFi+2wk4q/rD+DysMzs/M5ehWXtKzZTb9nyGcpYsfkuFL/KK2Cnv43goBOP HntA8VUc9HM8AmfIHxMFvVS7rcvYQkRs7/c00yhC2Q3bQefLDqWEnp7sPQJdyYoQojSLmp uq6bC6Pb5GsVerjEZAyszJ6eawK9n4+xhTl8CrepGUDCBoYUw0dWxzyhN90+4nyBC8m/kl qCxS0mVVsAR5N/jJfeKDtQRvEISzq2VF8kfkwudYhuHYpqg1u6cTaQRCsIjU5hpguvH208 8OeCTfQsZFiNOSSx6US4YmDG+vO540KcupPa8rMjI84grm0nkghFSBm+fFpSNQ== Received: from rwvirtual98.colo.realworks.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rwvirtual98.colo.realworks.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1878EA0D00; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:12:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:12:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Ronald Klop To: Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <186133619.3538.1698225155900@localhost> In-Reply-To: <18b65b654d0.2818.b36d34a15fda208b80f54b6ad54d9e04@freebsd.org> References: <76713a44-1fa4-41ee-a4f9-177907e9a57f@FreeBSD.org> <18b65b654d0.2818.b36d34a15fda208b80f54b6ad54d9e04@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13 + CertBot + OpenSSL 3 - status? List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3537_336896926.1698225155894" X-Mailer: Realworks (676.5) X-Originating-Host: from (89-20-164-210.static.ef-service.nl [89.20.164.210]) by rwvirtual98 [10.0.10.102] with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:12:35 +0200 Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/118.0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:38930, ipnet:87.255.32.0/19, country:NL] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SFjrC5n1gz3LPJ ------=_Part_3537_336896926.1698225155894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I see that you are compiling certbot to openssl from ports. Apparently you are running a not often used configuration of the port. Did you try reaching out to the maintainer of the port (python@FreeBSD.org)? And there are also other implementations of the ACME protocol in the ports tree like security/acmetool. I have no experience with them but they might fit your use case. Sorry I can't help you further for now. Maybe others have more handson experience with running python with openssl111 from ports. PS: as you have the name "Dutch" in your email please check out the upcoming Dutch BSD event in November: https://bsdnl.nl/ Regards, Ronald. Van: Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator Datum: woensdag, 25 oktober 2023 09:22 Aan: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Onderwerp: Re: FreeBSD 13 + CertBot + OpenSSL 3 - status? > > > > On October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote: >> >> Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)? >> >> CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it. >> >> From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library. >> >> I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting the path reversal addressed/fixed. >> >> So: does anyone know where we're at with this? > > Memory jog: > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in > sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot==2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'certbot')()) > File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point > return next(matches).load() > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/metadata.py", line 86, in load > module = import_module(match.group('module')) > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module > return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) > File "", line 1030, in _gcd_import > File "", line 1007, in _find_and_load > File "", line 986, in _find_and_load_unlocked > File "", line 680, in _load_unlocked > File "", line 850, in exec_module > File "", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/main.py", line 6, in > from certbot._internal import main as internal_main > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/_internal/main.py", line 21, in > import josepy as jose > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/__init__.py", line 40, in > from josepy.json_util import ( > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/json_util.py", line 14, in > from OpenSSL import crypto > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/__init__.py", line 8, in > from OpenSSL import SSL, crypto > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/SSL.py", line 9, in > from OpenSSL._util import ( > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/_util.py", line 6, in > from cryptography.hazmat.bindings.openssl.binding import Binding > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/openssl/binding.py", line 15, in > from cryptography.exceptions import InternalError > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py", line 9, in > from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_exceptions > ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_rust.abi3.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled" ------=_Part_3537_336896926.1698225155894 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I see that you are compiling certbot to openssl from ports. Apparently you are running a not often used configuration of the port.
Did you try reaching out to the maintainer of the port (python@FreeBSD.org)?
And there are also other implementations of the ACME protocol in the ports tree like security/acmetool. I have no experience with them but they might fit your use case.

Sorry I can't help you further for now. Maybe others have more handson experience with running python with openssl111 from ports.

PS: as you have the name "Dutch" in your email please check out the upcoming Dutch BSD event in November: https://bsdnl.nl/

Regards,
Ronald.

 

Van: Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator <dutchdaemon@freebsd.org>
Datum: woensdag, 25 oktober 2023 09:22
Aan: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Re: FreeBSD 13 + CertBot + OpenSSL 3 - status?

 

On October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator <DutchDaemon@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

Does anyone in 'port land' know what the current developments are wrt CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)? 

CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.

From what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the base system library.

I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.

So: does anyone know where we're at with this?

Memory jog:
 
 
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in <module>
   sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot==2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'certbot')())
 File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point
   return next(matches).load()
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/metadata.py", line 86, in load
   module = import_module(match.group('module'))
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
   return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1007, in _find_and_load
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 986, in _find_and_load_unlocked
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 680, in _load_unlocked
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 850, in exec_module
 File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 228, in _call_with_frames_removed
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/main.py", line 6, in <module>
   from certbot._internal import main as internal_main
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/certbot/_internal/main.py", line 21, in <module>
   import josepy as jose
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/__init__.py", line 40, in <module>
   from josepy.json_util import (
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/josepy/json_util.py", line 14, in <module>
   from OpenSSL import crypto
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/__init__.py", line 8, in <module>
   from OpenSSL import SSL, crypto
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/SSL.py", line 9, in <module>
   from OpenSSL._util import (
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/OpenSSL/_util.py", line 6, in <module>
   from cryptography.hazmat.bindings.openssl.binding import Binding
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/openssl/binding.py", line 15, in <module>
   from cryptography.exceptions import InternalError
 File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py", line 9, in <module>
   from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_exceptions
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_rust.abi3.so: Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled"

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On 25/10/2023 11:12, Vidar Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 09:2=
2:11AM +0200, Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote:

On October 24, 2023 14:54:=
40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator
<DutchDaemon@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

Does anyone in 'port lan=
d' know what the current developments are wrt
CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)?
CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when
running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system
OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not
understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.
=46rom what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in
pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes
py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the
base system library.
I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w
from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in
getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.
So: does anyone know where we're at with this?


Memory jog:


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in <module>
  sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot=3D=3D2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'cer=
tbot')())
File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point
  return next(matches).load()

[...]

File "/usr/local/lib/pytho=
n3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py",
line 9, in <module>
  from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_excep=
tions
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/b=
indings/_rust.abi3.so:
Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled"

What solved this problem for me was to apply the v2 patch from the
pkgconf PR 273961 [1].

The next hurdly you'll probably run into [2] can be solved by running
certbot with the following env variable:
CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1

[1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D273961
[2] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D273656

Hope this helps!

Once my current Poudriere run ends I will amend pkgconf with this and rebuild certbot and related.=C2=A0

Also giving security/dehydrate and possible acmetool a trial run to see if certbot can be avoided.=C2=A0

This is not the first time I've errored out on Python errors that took quite some time and effort to chase down and get fixed.=C2=A0<= /p>

Thanks! That was indeed the PR that put me on the scent of pkgconf, but I stopped tracking it because of the bickering..


    

  
  


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On 25/10/2023 11:12, Ronald Klop wrote=
:

    

    

      
      Hi,

      

      I see that you are compiling certbot to openssl from ports.
      Apparently you are running a not often used configuration of the
      port.

    

    
I'm not so sure about that. OpenSSL in ports is usually quite a
      lot ahead of base system OpenSSL, which is why I build everything
      against it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    

      Did you try reaching out to the maintainer of the port
      (python@FreeBSD.org)?

    

    
This bug is pretty well-known, and since it originates in pkgconf
      (not Python) and there is a lengthy PR about it (with a tentative
      patch, which I was told about just now), I decided to just post
      here to get some eyeballs, Successfully ;)

    

    

      And there are also other implementations of the ACME protocol in
      the ports tree like security/acmetool. I have no experience with
      them but they might fit your use case.

    

    
dehydrate and acmetools are currently on the radar to avoid the
      next (unavoidable) issue with certbot.

    

    

      

      Sorry I can't help you further for now. Maybe others have more
      handson experience with running python with openssl111 from ports.<=
br>
      

      PS: as you have the name "Dutch" in your email please check out
      the upcoming Dutch BSD event in November: https://bsdnl.nl/

    

    
I can't, but I'll alert the FreeBSD Forums about it; plenty of
      Dutchies on there as well.

    

    

    

      =C2=A0
      
Van: Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums
        Administrator <dutchdaemon@freebsd.org>

        Datum: woensdag, 25 oktober 2023 09:22

        Aan: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org

        Onderwerp: Re: FreeBSD 13 + CertBot + OpenSSL 3
        - status?

      

        

          

            

              

                
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On
                        October 24, 2023 14:54:40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD
                        Forums Administrator
                        <DutchDaemon@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

                      

                        
Does anyone in 'port land' know what the
                          current developments are wrt CertBot (or
                          py-crypto under its hood)?=C2=A0

                        
CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL
                          3 from ports, but when running 'certbot', the
                          crypto side of it talks to the base system
                          OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the
                          OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not understand the
                          OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.

                        
From what I understood, this was due to an
                          error/regression in pkgconf(?) which causes
                          some type of 'path reversal' that causes
                          py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was
                          compiled against, favoring the base system
                          library.

                        
I either have to revert a whole lot of
                          servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w from ports in
                          order to renew certificates, or wait for "any
                          movement" in getting the path reversal
                          addressed/fixed.

                        
So: does anyone know where we're at with
                          this?

                      

                    

                  

                

                
Memory jog:

                
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Hi,

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 08:38:54AM +0200, Xavier Humbert wrote:
>Hi,
>
>When building rust, all memory is eaten, leading to OOM killing almost 
>everything, eventually failing, and leading to an unstable system.
>
>Is there a way to tell the compiler to avoid this behaviour ?

Are you building just from the ports tree or are you using poudriere?

if the former, try unsetting LTO in /etc/make.conf and if you have a 
MAKE_JOBS statement in there, comment it out.

Try installing devel/sccache before your build. Ensure that
ccache is installed too. pay attention to the pkg-message after 
install.

If you're using poudriere, the following settings are relevant:

1. make sure you have ports-mgmt/sccache-overlay installed.

2. in the make.conf for the poudriere jail, have these set:
    SCCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/ccache/sccache
    OVERLAYS+=/usr/local/share/sccache/overlay
    WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=
    CCACHE_DIR=/var/cache/ccache

3. also make sure devel/ccache-static (it *has* to be the -static variant)
    is installed.

To use the sscache overlay, invoke the poudriere build with -O sccache
after installing as per the instructions.

On a rpi4b/8GB (therefore relatively resource constrained) running 14-stable
and poudriere-devel, it has the following settings (relevant to this discussion) 
in poudriere.conf

USE_TMPFS=all
TMPFS_BLACKLIST="rust* llvm* libreo* firef* tex* ungoogled-ch* chromi* gcc* openjdk* electron* iridium"
MAX_FILES=4096
PARALLEL_JOBS=1
PREPARE_PARALLEL_JOBS=2

The following tunables are set in /etc/sysctl.conf 

# filesystem
vm.pageout_oom_seq=120
vm.pfault_oom_attempts=-1
vm.pageout_update_period=0
vfs.zfs.arc.min=536870912
vfs.zfs.arc.max=1073741824

The rpi is clocked to 2.1GHz. It took 9hrs 3 mins to build rust-1.73.0

good luck,
-- 

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Cy Schubert  writes:

>   > > How much RAM does your machine have? How many CPU
> > cores/threads does i>   t
>   > > have?
>   > >
>   > I have 16 GB RAM, and 4 cores
>   
>   That should be plenty. I build it on a 4 core 8 GB machine.
>   
>   How much swap does it have?

	Data point: I successfully build rust on an AMD Phenom II (4
physical cores, 8 virtual) with 8 gigabytes of memory and 10 gigabytes
available swap.
	It takes 10+ hours ... but it builds.


			Respectfully,


				Robert Huff



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On 25/10/2023 11:12, Vidar Karlsen
      wrote:

    

    

      
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 09:2=
2:11AM +0200, Dutch Daemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator wrote:


      

        
On October 24, 2023 14:54:=
40 DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator
<DutchDaemon@FreeBSD.org> wrote:


        

          
Does anyone in 'port lan=
d' know what the current developments are wrt
CertBot (or py-crypto under its hood)?
CertBot is happily compiling against OpenSSL 3 from ports, but when
running 'certbot', the crypto side of it talks to the base system
OpenSSL 1.1.1, hence failing because the OpenSSL 1.1.1 library does not
understand the OpenSSL 3 calls made to it.
=46rom what I understood, this was due to an error/regression in
pkgconf(?) which causes some type of 'path reversal' that causes
py-crypto to ignore the OpenSSL it was compiled against, favoring the
base system library.
I either have to revert a whole lot of servers back to OpenSSL 1.1.1w
from ports in order to renew certificates, or wait for "any movement" in
getting the path reversal addressed/fixed.
So: does anyone know where we're at with this?


        

        

Memory jog:


Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 33, in <module>
  sys.exit(load_entry_point('certbot=3D=3D2.6.0', 'console_scripts', 'cer=
tbot')())
File "/usr/local/bin/certbot", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point
  return next(matches).load()


      

      
[...]


      

        
File "/usr/local/lib/pytho=
n3.9/site-packages/cryptography/exceptions.py",
line 9, in <module>
  from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._rust import exceptions as rust_excep=
tions
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/cryptography/hazmat/b=
indings/_rust.abi3.so:
Undefined symbol "EVP_default_properties_is_fips_enabled"


      

      
What solved this problem for me was to apply the v2 patch from the
pkgconf PR 273961 [1].

The next hurdly you'll probably run into [2] can be solved by running
certbot with the following env variable:
CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1

[1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D273961
[2] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D273656

Hope this helps!


    

    


    

    
This patch certainly did it for me, hope it gets committed soon
      (if it doesn't pose a regression hazard). I did not run into the
      other problem.

    

    

      

    

  
  


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I'm building 2200 ports on a Dell PowerEdge r210, 16GB RAM, 34GB swap, 8
CPU; system is 1400094 and ports from git October 14; and I use for rust
a single podriere job. The build time was:

...
===>  Cleaning for rust-1.72.0
build of lang/rust | rust-1.72.0 ended at Sun Oct 15 03:04:41 CEST 2023
build time: 02:37:44

What really improved my overall building with poudriere (normaly 4
builders) are the following settings before building:

# cat sysctls4poudriere.sh
sysctl vfs.read_max=128
sysctl vfs.aio.max_buf_aio=8192
sysctl vfs.aio.max_aio_queue_per_proc=65536
sysctl vfs.aio.max_aio_per_proc=8192
sysctl vfs.aio.max_aio_queue=65536
sysctl vm.pageout_oom_seq=120
sysctl vm.pfault_oom_attempts=-1

With these settings I have no page faults or killed processes anymore.

	matthias

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shows it. The load averages are changing some, as is the Elapsed. The =
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=3D=3D=3D> octave-forge-econometrics-1.1.2_5 depends on file: =
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[132arm64-default-job-01] Installing octave-forge-optim-1.6.2_2...
[132arm64-default-job-01] `-- Installing octave-forge-base-1.9_1...
[132arm64-default-job-01] | `-- Installing p5-File-Remove-1.58...
[132arm64-default-job-01] | `-- Extracting p5-File-Remove-1.58: ....... =
done
[132arm64-default-job-01] `-- Extracting octave-forge-base-1.9_1: ..... =
done
load-octave-pkg: there are currently no octave packages installed.
[132arm64-default-job-01] `-- Installing =
octave-forge-statistics-1.6.0...
[132arm64-default-job-01] `-- Extracting octave-forge-statistics-1.6.0: =
..... done
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shadows a core library function
warning: called from
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Am 2023-10-25 11:57, schrieb DutchDaemon - FreeBSD Forums Administrator:

> On 25/10/2023 11:12, Ronald Klop wrote:
> 
>> And there are also other implementations of the ACME protocol in the 
>> ports tree like security/acmetool. I have no experience with them but 
>> they might fit your use case.
> 
> dehydrate and acmetools are currently on the radar to avoid the next 
> (unavoidable) issue with certbot.

As there doesn't seem to be a hard dependency on certbot: 
security/acme.sh (needs curl and socat, the rest is written in shell, I 
haven't found another acme tool which is more lightweight in terms of 
dependencies).

Bye,
Alexander.

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On 25/10/2023 11:12, Ronald Klop wrote:

And there are also other implementations of the ACME p=
rotocol in the ports tree like security/acmetool. I have no experience with=
 them but they might fit your use case.


dehydrate and acmetools are currently on the radar to avoid the next (un=
avoidable) issue with certbot.








As there doesn't seem to be a hard dependency on certbot: security/acme.=
sh (needs curl and socat, the rest is written in shell, I haven't found ano=
ther acme tool which is more lightweight in terms of dependencies).


Bye,
Alexander.


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On Oct 25, 2023, at 04:37, =E9=A2=A8=E4=BE=86=E6=95=A3=E4=BA=BA =
 wrote:

> Does anybody know what is the actual problem behind this? I had to =
switch quarterly to latest on 13.2 last week because perl5.32 didn't =
have EOL tag on quarterly. So I wasn't able to upgrade perl5 from =
perl5.32 to perl5.34 smoothly by "pkg upgrade" and I decided to switch =
to latest. And then I realized the package update frequency on latest is =
much worse than quarterly. It hasn't been updated for more than 1 month.

FreeBSD's ampere3 aarch64 port build server status shows for default =
132arm64:
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. . . Remaining	Status			Started(UTC)			=
Elapsed		Server
. . . 5		parallel_build:		Tue, 10 Oct 2023 03:54:58 GMT	=
370:02:50	ampere3
. . . 0		stopped:crashed:	Sat, 30 Sep 2023 03:53:38 GMT	=
43:34:05	ampere3
. . . 0		stopped:done:		Sun, 10 Sep 2023 03:46:29 GMT	=
148:44:50	ampere3

So: no completed updates since 2023-Sep-16 or so. The existing build is =
stuck.


=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com


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On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 1:55=E2=80=AFPM Brooks Davis  w=
rote:
>
> I'll reply to LLVM specific suggestions

A big win would be to reduce the number of LLVMs required for common
desktop ports.  Aside from the base system LLVM, my desktop system
seems to build llvm 12, 13, 15.

>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 09:12:13PM +0200, Robert Clausecker wrote:
> >  - untangle some of the dependencies so that less ports may trigger
> >    rebuilds of critical ports.  For example, llvm docs could be moved t=
o
> >    separate ports so that updates in the documentation toolchain do not
> >    trigger an LLVM rebuild.
>
> They are built as of the individual component builds.  If there's a way
> to build only docs that might be doable with flavors, but I don't have
> time to investigate this.
>
> >  - reduce USES to chose lighter dependencies by default.  E.g. USES=3Dl=
lvm
> >    could depend on the light flavour by default.  I'm sure only very fe=
w
> >    ports need all of LLVM and the light flavour is faster to build.
>
> That would be great, but without PROVIDES/REQUIRES might be a problem
> in practice due to dependency conflicts.  If we could figure out
> what dependent ports actually need we could consider relegating
> features nothing depends on to a "full" flavor.  Ideally we'd also have
> subpackages so that e.g., users could depend on lldb from the full
> package.
>
> One idea I've started to implement with llvm10 is cutting down the
> default set of options for older LLVM ports that are mostly build
> depends or to provide llvm libs.  The downside is that un-exercised
> options will rot as we don't manage to fix them up during base compiler
> updates, but we could also prune those entirely after an appropriate
> period of time.
>
> I'd also like to present another idea to better enable binary
> dependencies for certain tools:  One of the benefits we get from the
> base system compiler is that it only changes when you do an OS update.
> As we consider entirely external toolchains, that gets lost.  I think
> there could be value in a middle tier of bits, stored in a separate
> package repository (likely with an alternative LOCALBASE) that could
> be used for builds.  I'd likely include binutils, clang/lld, gcc, and
> rust there.  IMO we need this if we want to build releases from external
> toolchains since we need reproducibility.  We actually use something
> related in CheriBSD-ports to install aarch64 binaries for some tools
> when building CheriABI (memory safe) packages.
>
> -- Brooks
>

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> Am Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 08:11:29PM +0000 schrieb Lorenzo Salvadore:
> > Disabling LTO_BOOTSTRAP option by default has
> > already been done for the devel ports on the i386, amd64
> > and aarch64 architectures (so for all tier 1 platforms):
> > https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=daf12c76bd531335f58e7602afd3bc8da8fc5c33
> > The same is about to be done for the production ports
> > too as part of a larger update:
> > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273397  
> 
> This is great news and I hope sincerely that this change will be
> applied to all ports.
> 
> > However, please note that LTO_BOOTSTRAP is an option:
> > if the build times are too long for you, you can disable
> > the option. The option has been enabled by default to
> > distribute optimized packages, not because it is recommend
> > to build the port with that option enabled. Actually, I even
> > wrote a warning about it in pkg-help.  
> 
> As mentioned earlier, it is impossible for me to know if non-default
> build options have any effect downstream, so for acceptance testing
> (i.e. testing before I commit an update), I don't think I should use
> any non-default options.

I don't think port option defaults by design reflect upstream choices.
You shall be free to set them. The project even enforces a bunch of
options on if they pop up in a Makefile. 

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Hello.

I'm experiencing a "make index" failure.

Problem seems to be www/tomcat-devel was MFH and requires Java 21+, but 
21 is not available in Q4.
(20 is the last present, but 18 is the last available from bsd.java.mk).

Nothing I can't solve locally (especially since I don't use tomcat-devel 
:), but I tought I'd let you know.


  bye & Thanks
	av.

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I've updated all packages on the system from the 13.2/latest ports 
repository and now Firefox is crashing.


https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274719



Yuri



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On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote:

> All,
>
> I=E2=80=99ve lost another morning to a bad choice made by ports/pkg.
>
> Maybe this is a dumb question/rant, but recently, a routine pkg upgrade=
=20
> of the dayjob=E2=80=99s RT VM (which included an upgrade to perl) decided=
 to=20
> leave me with no ability to connect.  After following the rabbit hole, I=
=20
> hit a database connect error.
>
> p5-dbd-pg was still installed, according to pkg, but none of the perl=20
> libraries could find it, because it was in the wrong perl include dir=20
> (/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/mach/5.32/DBD/Pg.pm, when the perl=20
> version was 5.34)
>
> Now, postgresql13 is still in pkg, still works, and according to=20
> Freshports indirectly requires postgresql13 (by way of requining libpq),=
=20
> and it still builds cleanly if you set DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dpgsql=3D13 in=
=20
> make.conf,

Rather than do nothing but complain, I decided to try and submit a patch=20
to fix this problem.  (Mat, I'm cc'ing you because you're the author of=20
anything flavors-related in /usr/ports/Updating)

I had a look at Makefile for databases/p5-DBD-Pg, and while it sets=20
uses=3Dperl pgsql, I don't see a magic way to simply cause the port to be=
=20
built with all supported versions of pgsql.

I don't see anything referring to Flavors in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/pgsql.mk

The porter's handbook is sort of lacking on this,=20
(https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/) -- it gives=
=20
specific examples for PHP and Python, but not for a port which might just=
=20
happen to have multiple available versions with USES=3D

Lines like:

"To declare a port having multiple flavors, add FLAVORS to its Makefile.=20
The first flavor in FLAVORS is the default flavor."

and:

It can help simplify the logic of the Makefile to also define FLAVOR as:
FLAVOR?=3D=09${FLAVORS:[1]}

=2E..don't give much of an example, and reading the files in /usr/ports/Mk,=
=20
are not super straightforward.

So the questions:

Is there a trick I'm missing here?

Is there not some way to auto-populate all possible flavors of a port with=
=20
supported versions of a given package in USES?  (Ala=20
FLAVORS=3D(pgsql_versions))

(If there were, an example usage for this is probably the most obvious use=
=20
case I can think of -- a simple database driver that matches a DB=20
version).

Would this require flavors knobs to be added to=20
/usr/ports/Mk/Uses/pgsql.mk?

Do I need to define each possible postgres version and ifdefine it?

Finally, should I be asking this somewhere else?

Thanks,

-Dan

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Hello.

All the packages I have had poudriere make and hold were ready this morning (TZ=Asia/Tokyo :), 5 hours ago).
However, this equilibrium was broken by glib update 4 hours ago :)
232 ports are now queued again.

If only graphics/cairo is built manually first here, only 2 packages, glib and cairo, will be rebuilt.
However, this eliminates the problem of packages that have lost their cairo, so the next number of packages that need to be rebuilt is reduced to 224.

Continue to rebuild net/avahi-app.
dbus-glib and gobject-introspection, which have lost glib, will also be included in the rebuild.
Only 3 packages were rebuilt, but the number of packages needing to be built next was reduced to 216.

Here print/harfbuzz begins to rebuild.
Rebuilding harfbuzz should be separated from harfbuzz-icu or we may lose a lot of packages that do not need to be removed.
Only 1 was rebuilt, but the rest were reduced to 213.

print/harfbuzz-icu is then rebuilt.
This time the remaining was 212 as usual.

Then, security/p11-kit is rebuilt.
With just this 1 rebuild, the remaining is down to 197.
Also, the reduced number this time includes those related to texlive. Rebuilding of texlive-texmf has been avoided :)

Next, graphics/graphviz is rebuilt.
pango, which lost glib, is also queued at the same time.
Two rebuilds reduced the remaining to 193.
The reduced number this time includes doxygen.

There is no point in continuing to write more :) , but it is likely that running the poudriere manually one by one in this way has reduced the CPU runtime by about 1 hour.
Methods exist to save time, but these methods require human hands.

Regards.


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On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, at 11:38 PM, Tatsuki Makino wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I don't know what it is, but as a maintainer but not a committer, I 
> don't use features related to git branch.
> Changes are made directly to files that are checkout-ed, and when 
> updates are made by pull, etc., stash takes care of everything.
>
> git stash push --all -- :/
> git pull --autostash ...
> git stash pop
> git status --show-stash
>
> Submitted patches are required to have been created with git 
> format-path, which requires a git commit.
> So I do the commit locally, but do a soft reset as soon as the patch is 
> collected.
>
> git restore --staged :/
> git add category/portname
> git commit
> git format-patch -1 HEAD
> git reset --soft HEAD^
>
> Is there some other way to do it better? :)
> Wasn't it like this? :)

I don't know. I've never done format-patch or reset when submitting a change. However, I commit changes, so it might be different. Your question might get answers in a new thread.

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> On Oct 24, 2023, at 9:12 PM, Robert Clausecker  wrote:
> 
> And it seems I'm slowly killing my build SSD like that.  After just about
> 9 months, it is already at 100 TB of writes just from port builds.
> Building with workdirs in memory is no longer an option as that frequently
> kills my build server by filling all its RAM with build files until no
> processes can be started anymore.  Poudriere does not have an effective
> mechanism to prevent this (tmpfs limits don't work as the ports in
> question require very large workdirs, tend to take very long to build and
> tend to be built all at the same time for multiple jails).

I will just address a small part of the mail as I am mostly the one
maintaining tex. Today I have committed some changes which will reduce
the size of the downloads and increase the timing of fetch and install
target although it won't be helping too much in the stage and pkg
target. In previous I have tried with static plist which often used to
timeout more hence I moved into TMPPLIST. Additionally the pkg-plist
becomes something like 10MB in size I believe.

texlive-texmf is one major requirement for doxygen which is a
requirement of many other ports. This is one reason texlive-texmf is a
common requirement. If you know of a specific reason this one is rebuilt
more frequently let me know I will try to see if the dependency can be
avoided to reduce the build frequencies.


Kind regards,
Moin(bofh@ with all hats off)

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On 24/10/23 15:45, Dan Langille wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I noticed an anomaly today.
> 
> Watch how the output of make -V RUN_DEPENDS changes for tomcat-devel as we move through the tree.
> 
> This is a fresh checkout of ports
> [18:40 empty dan /usr/ports] % cd www/tomcat-devel
> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
> 
> The above is valid output
> 
> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  5699269
> Note: switching to '5699269'.
> 
> You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental
> changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this
> state without impacting any branches by switching back to a branch.
> 
> If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may
> do so (now or later) by using -c with the switch command. Example:
> 
>    git switch -c 
> 
> Or undo this operation with:
> 
>    git switch -
> 
> Turn off this advice by setting config variable advice.detachedHead to false
> 
> HEAD is now at 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
> [18:42 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /bin/java:
> 
> 
> That's not right.
> 
> I tried commits before and after 5699269 - both good.
> 
> Inquiring minds, FreshPorts not the least, wants to know why the RUN_DEPENDS failed for that commit.
> 
> 
> [18:43 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  d994e83
> Previous HEAD position was 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
> HEAD is now at d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1
> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS   jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
> 
> 
> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout 2fdb6fb
> Previous HEAD position was d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1
> HEAD is now at 2fdb6fb45908 www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS  jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21

I suspect it's related to the problem reported here:

https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports/2023-October/004814.html

It seems like when you checkout 5699269 your tree is moved to a point of 
quarterly 2023Q4.  I see it here as remotes/freebsd/2023Q4~7

Then those java commits are missing and it's not possible to satisfy 
dependencies.
-- 
Renato Botelho


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On 26/10/23 14:11, Renato Botelho wrote:
> On 24/10/23 15:45, Dan Langille wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I noticed an anomaly today.
>>
>> Watch how the output of make -V RUN_DEPENDS changes for tomcat-devel 
>> as we move through the tree.
>>
>> This is a fresh checkout of ports
>> [18:40 empty dan /usr/ports] % cd www/tomcat-devel
>> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon 
>> /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
>>
>> The above is valid output
>>
>> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  5699269
>> Note: switching to '5699269'.
>>
>> You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental
>> changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this
>> state without impacting any branches by switching back to a branch.
>>
>> If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may
>> do so (now or later) by using -c with the switch command. Example:
>>
>>    git switch -c 
>>
>> Or undo this operation with:
>>
>>    git switch -
>>
>> Turn off this advice by setting config variable advice.detachedHead to 
>> false
>>
>> HEAD is now at 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script 
>> to support Java versions 20+
>> [18:42 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /bin/java:
>>
>>
>> That's not right.
>>
>> I tried commits before and after 5699269 - both good.
>>
>> Inquiring minds, FreshPorts not the least, wants to know why the 
>> RUN_DEPENDS failed for that commit.
>>
>>
>> [18:43 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  d994e83
>> Previous HEAD position was 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust 
>> rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
>> HEAD is now at d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: 
>> Update to 2.12.1
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS   
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon 
>> /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
>>
>>
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout 2fdb6fb
>> Previous HEAD position was d994e83b45c4 
>> net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1
>> HEAD is now at 2fdb6fb45908 www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script 
>> to support Java versions 20+
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS  
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon 
>> /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
> 
> I suspect it's related to the problem reported here:
> 
> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports/2023-October/004814.html
> 
> It seems like when you checkout 5699269 your tree is moved to a point of 
> quarterly 2023Q4.  I see it here as remotes/freebsd/2023Q4~7
> 
> Then those java commits are missing and it's not possible to satisfy 
> dependencies.

I forgot to add on previous email the commit log of 5699269, which has 
"Cherry picked from" string on it, what means it's really the commit 
from quarterly branch:

commit 569926974bfd179c1806afbe7794aa6d3a73e255 (HEAD)
Author: Vladimir Druzenko 
Date:   Tue Oct 24 13:28:14 2023 +0300

     www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+

     Approved by:    arrowd (mentor, implicit)
     MFH:            2023Q4

     (cherry picked from commit 2fdb6fb459089fdb15101c5974b3fa45baef1775)

So if you checkout original commit, 2fdb6fb459, you won't see the problem.

❯ make -V RUN_DEPENDS
jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon 
/usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21

-- 
Renato Botelho


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On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, at 1:11 PM, Renato Botelho wrote:
> On 24/10/23 15:45, Dan Langille wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I noticed an anomaly today.
>> 
>> Watch how the output of make -V RUN_DEPENDS changes for tomcat-devel as we move through the tree.
>> 
>> This is a fresh checkout of ports
>> [18:40 empty dan /usr/ports] % cd www/tomcat-devel
>> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
>> 
>> The above is valid output
>> 
>> [18:41 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  5699269
>> Note: switching to '5699269'.
>> 
>> You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental
>> changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this
>> state without impacting any branches by switching back to a branch.
>> 
>> If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may
>> do so (now or later) by using -c with the switch command. Example:
>> 
>>    git switch -c 
>> 
>> Or undo this operation with:
>> 
>>    git switch -
>> 
>> Turn off this advice by setting config variable advice.detachedHead to false
>> 
>> HEAD is now at 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
>> [18:42 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS
>> jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /bin/java:
>> 
>> 
>> That's not right.
>> 
>> I tried commits before and after 5699269 - both good.
>> 
>> Inquiring minds, FreshPorts not the least, wants to know why the RUN_DEPENDS failed for that commit.
>> 
>> 
>> [18:43 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout  d994e83
>> Previous HEAD position was 569926974bfd www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
>> HEAD is now at d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS   jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
>> 
>> 
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % git checkout 2fdb6fb
>> Previous HEAD position was d994e83b45c4 net-mgmt/ocsinventory-{server,ocsreports}: Update to 2.12.1
>> HEAD is now at 2fdb6fb45908 www/tomcat{85,9,101}: adjust rc.d script to support Java versions 20+
>> [18:44 empty dan /usr/ports/www/tomcat-devel] % make -V RUN_DEPENDS  jsvc:devel/apache-commons-daemon /usr/local/openjdk21/bin/java:java/openjdk21
>
> I suspect it's related to the problem reported here:
>
> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports/2023-October/004814.html
>
> It seems like when you checkout 5699269 your tree is moved to a point of 
> quarterly 2023Q4.  I see it here as remotes/freebsd/2023Q4~7
>
> Then those java commits are missing and it's not possible to satisfy 
> dependencies.

Good, I understand. As expected, much of the FreshPorts code exists to handle exceptions such as this. :) I had already coded for this but wanted to follow up so I understood why it failed.

Thank you.
-- 
  Dan Langille
  dan@langille.org

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Hello.

Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/27 02:07:
> texlive-texmf is one major requirement for doxygen which is a
> requirement of many other ports. This is one reason texlive-texmf is a
> common requirement. If you know of a specific reason this one is rebuilt
> more frequently let me know I will try to see if the dependency can be
> avoided to reduce the build frequencies.

doxygen is one of the reasons, but so are all ports that require  textproc/docbook-utils and print/tex-formats.

I integrated a switch in astro/geographiclib that disconnects doxygen, but still works.
For audio/libopenshot-audio and multimedia/libopenshot, DOCS option, which is always turned on, would require doxygen.

Regards.


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> On Oct 27, 2023, at 6:43 AM, Tatsuki Makino =
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>=20
> Hello.
>=20
> Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/27 02:07:
>> texlive-texmf is one major requirement for doxygen which is a
>> requirement of many other ports. This is one reason texlive-texmf is =
a
>> common requirement. If you know of a specific reason this one is =
rebuilt
>> more frequently let me know I will try to see if the dependency can =
be
>> avoided to reduce the build frequencies.
>=20
> doxygen is one of the reasons, but so are all ports that require  =
textproc/docbook-utils and print/tex-formats.
>=20
> I integrated a switch in astro/geographiclib that disconnects doxygen, =
but still works.
> For audio/libopenshot-audio and multimedia/libopenshot, DOCS option, =
which is always turned on, would require doxygen.
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> Regards.
>=20

So far what we have found is that texlive-texmf is not required by too
many ports but one of the major ports that require it is tex-formats
which is a requirements of many other ports specially doxygen.

Based on these I have reduced the requirements of texlive-texmf itself
and moved the requirements to tex-formats which will greatly reduce the
frequent rebuilds of texlive-texmf. But by no means it reduces the build
time of texlive-texmf. Hope everyone enjoys that. :)

Kind regards,
Moin(bofh@ with tex@ hat on)

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Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/28 01:50:
> But by no means it reduces the build
> time of texlive-texmf. Hope everyone enjoys that. :)
> 

There are updates in the current port tree that cause packages rebuilt by glib updates to be rebuilt again :)

> [00:01:19] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-base-20230313_3.pkg: new dependency: print/ghostscript10
> [00:01:22] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-texmf-20230313.pkg: missing dependency: texlive-base-20230313_3
> [00:01:39] [Dry Run] Ports to build: ... print/texlive-base print/texlive-texmf ...

As far as I can see, it seems that it is possible to avoid rebuilding texlive-texmf by manually running poudriere bulk with print/texlive-base.
However, something else may cause texlive-texmf package to be removed, so it would be better to proceed gradually from libXdmcp, libxcb or something.

I enjoy manual manipulation to minimize the time spent on rebuilding :)

Regards.


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Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times
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> On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:37 PM, Tatsuki Makino =
 wrote:
>=20
> Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/28 01:50:
>> But by no means it reduces the build
>> time of texlive-texmf. Hope everyone enjoys that. :)
>>=20
>=20
> There are updates in the current port tree that cause packages rebuilt =
by glib updates to be rebuilt again :)
>=20
>> [00:01:19] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-base-20230313_3.pkg: new =
dependency: print/ghostscript10
>> [00:01:22] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-texmf-20230313.pkg: missing =
dependency: texlive-base-20230313_3
>> [00:01:39] [Dry Run] Ports to build: ... print/texlive-base =
print/texlive-texmf ...
>=20
> As far as I can see, it seems that it is possible to avoid rebuilding =
texlive-texmf by manually running poudriere bulk with =
print/texlive-base.
> However, something else may cause texlive-texmf package to be removed, =
so it would be better to proceed gradually from libXdmcp, libxcb or =
something.
>=20
> I enjoy manual manipulation to minimize the time spent on rebuilding =
:)
>=20
> Regards.
>=20

I believe you do not have the latest tree. I have removed the build time =
dependency to texlive-base.

This is my latest build:

=
https://pkg.bofh.network/data/latest-per-pkg/texlive-texmf/20230313/124i38=
6-default.log

And there is not call to texlive-base itself.

Kind regards,
Moin(bofh@ with tex@ hats on)


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Hi,

Many interesting thoughts about current situation, here's my take =
on
it and I'm also trying to catch up.

Some ports do require quite a=
 lot of CPU time and memory to build, I
fully understand that not everyon=
e is using the latest hardware
available but there's little we can do abo=
ut upstream projects overall
since the ports tree is after all intended f=
or packaging not
maintaining. By that I mean there will likely be little =
to no action
taken if you report upstream that lets say Rust don't build =
with
12Gbyte of RAM. I do agree that if we can consolidate dependencies=

it's for the better in terms of build times, disk footprint (for
insta=
lled ports, might not be much of an issue these days) and
potential overl=
apping libraries/dependencies. What we need to accept
is that 4 cores and=
 16Gb RAM isn't a "powerhouse" that will build
whatever you throw at it, =
that's the reality. We can't adapt ports to
some arbitrary "hardware requ=
irement", that's not viable nor do we
have anywhere near the manpower to =
do so however if we can streamline
the build with little effort by all me=
ans, go for it.

What I have concerns about is adapting port options th=
at by default
potentially will harm performance and disk footprint in fav=
our of "it
builds faster". I would at least like to claim that we primari=
ly use
FreeBSD to run applications not to build ports. If we can combine =
both
that would be great but the former should be prioritized over latter=
.
If we can make packages smaller in size we should because it benefits=

"everyone" however if it is of a very little gain and adds a lot of
ti=
me to the build it should be evaluated. For example we do apply LTO
and a=
 few other optimizations to all Rust (Cargo based) ports because
it great=
ly reduces binary size and in some cases also increases
peformance while =
increasing total build by a bit. There are already
other distros looking =
into enabling LTO "treewide" so we're likely
going to head there too even=
tually.

Porters Handbook covers unbundling and is also a policy for se=
veral
other distros. I think we do a pretty good about about it in genera=
l
however some projects makes it very hard or impossible to unbundle
he=
avy dependencies, all we can do here is to discuss it with upstream.
Whil=
e we could "maintain" our own set of patches it's for certain a
recipe fo=
r ports getting abandoned due to maintence burden sooner than
later. In s=
hort, please upstream and have a discussion with upstream
about such conc=
erns.

We already miss out in some cases quite significant performance=

enhancements with pre-built packages for ports that do not support
run=
-time detection of hardware capatibilities so we probably need to
look at=
 difference target branches for each arch futher down the road
adding mor=
e overall load.

Some observations on my end,=20

Without carefully m=
easuring I do find that my Poduriere instances in
many cases spends quite=
 a bit of time not building but spending quite
a bit of time in configure=
 stage and struggle to scale over ~4-6 jobs.

What we can do per port l=
evel that improves build times and scaling in
general:=20

If upstream =
uses GNU Autotools, use upstream release archives as they
usually contain=
s a configure script ready to run which means that you
can avoid USES=3D =
autoreconf which is slow and adds unncessary
dependencies.

If upstre=
am provides an alternative to GNU Autotools and/or gmake,
libtool such as=
 CMake or Meson it will likely run configure stage
faster and build quick=
er, sometimes by quite a bit especially if you
have a system with many "s=
low" cores (such as ARM but even x86 to some
degree).=C2=A0 On some ports=
 you can cut down build times ~40-50% because
of better scaling and proce=
ssing, avoiding USES=3D autoreconf and
friends. You likely wont see that =
much of a difference overall but
10-20% isn't impossible (slow systems su=
ch as RockPro64 tend to see
better improvements). There might be some qui=
rks switching build
framework that you might need to work out with upstre=
am but it's
usually worth the effort in the end. Not saying that it'll co=
mpensate
for spending 8h build LLVM/Clang but if we can "convert" lets sa=
y100
ports or more we will probably reduice the overall build time by qui=
te
a bit.=20

If dependencies are unbundled you can save I/O and proces=
sing time by
not extracting.

Example:
https://cgit.freebsd.org/por=
ts/tree/net-mgmt/netdata/Makefile#n32

Best regards,

Daniel (diizz=
y@)


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Hi,

Many interesting thoughts about=
 current situation, here's my take on it and I'm also trying to catch up.

Some ports do require quite a lot of CPU time a=
nd memory to build, I fully understand that not everyone is using the lates=
t hardware available but there's little we can do about upstream projects o=
verall since the ports tree is after all intended for packaging not maintai=
ning. By that I mean there will likely be little to no action taken if you =
report upstream that lets say Rust don't build with 12Gbyte of RAM. I do ag=
ree that if we can consolidate dependencies it's for the better in terms of=
 build times, disk footprint (for installed ports, might not be much of an =
issue these days) and potential overlapping libraries/dependencies. What we=
 need to accept is that 4 cores and 16Gb RAM isn't a "powerhouse" that will=
 build whatever you throw at it, that's the reality. We can't adapt ports t=
o some arbitrary "hardware requirement", that's not viable nor do we have a=
nywhere near the manpower to do so however if we can streamline the build w=
ith little effort by all means, go for it.

Wha=
t I have concerns about is adapting port options that by default potentiall=
y will harm performance and disk footprint in favour of "it builds faster".=
 I would at least like to claim that we primarily use FreeBSD to run applic=
ations not to build ports. If we can combine both that would be great but t=
he former should be prioritized over latter. If we can make packages smalle=
r in size we should because it benefits "everyone" however if it is of a ve=
ry little gain and adds a lot of time to the build it should be evaluated. =
For example we do apply LTO and a few other optimizations to all Rust (Carg=
o based) ports because it greatly reduces binary size and in some cases als=
o increases peformance while increasing total build by a bit. There are alr=
eady other distros looking into enabling LTO "treewide" so we're likely goi=
ng to head there too eventually.

Porters Handb=
ook covers unbundling and is also a policy for several other distros. I thi=
nk we do a pretty good about about it in general however some projects make=
s it very hard or impossible to unbundle heavy dependencies, all we can do =
here is to discuss it with upstream. While we could "maintain" our own set =
of patches it's for certain a recipe for ports getting abandoned due to mai=
ntence burden sooner than later. In short, please upstream and have a discu=
ssion with upstream about such concerns.

We al=
ready miss out in some cases quite significant performance enhancements wit=
h pre-built packages for ports that do not support run-time detection of ha=
rdware capatibilities so we probably need to look at difference target bran=
ches for each arch futher down the road adding more overall load.
=


Some observations on my end, 

<=
div>Without carefully measuring I do find that my Poduriere instances in ma=
ny cases spends quite a bit of time not building but spending quite a bit o=
f time in configure stage and struggle to scale over ~4-6 jobs.

What we can do per port level that improves build times a=
nd scaling in general: 

If upstream uses GNU A=
utotools, use upstream release archives as they usually contains a configur=
e script ready to run which means that you can avoid USES=3D autoreconf whi=
ch is slow and adds unncessary dependencies.

I=
f upstream provides an alternative to GNU Autotools and/or gmake, libtool s=
uch as CMake or Meson it will likely run configure stage faster and build q=
uicker, sometimes by quite a bit especially if you have a system with many =
"slow" cores (such as ARM but even x86 to some degree).  On some ports=
 you can cut down build times ~40-50% because of better scaling and process=
ing, avoiding USES=3D autoreconf and friends. You likely wont see that much=
 of a difference overall but 10-20% isn't impossible (slow systems such as =
RockPro64 tend to see better improvements). There might be some quirks swit=
ching build framework that you might need to work out with upstream but it'=
s usually worth the effort in the end. Not saying that it'll compensate for=
 spending 8h build LLVM/Clang but if we can "convert" lets say100 ports or =
more we will probably reduice the overall build time by quite a bit. 

If dependencies are unbundled you can save I/O and =
processing time by not extracting.

<=
/div>
Best regards,
Daniel (diizzy@)



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Daniel Engberg wrote on Sat, 28 Oct 2023 10:48:04 +0200 (CEST):
> there's little we can do about upstream projects overall
> since the ports tree is after all intended for packaging not
> maintaining.

Excuse me? The tree is fundamentally designed to allow and support
maintaing and recompiling from source. What else would be the point of
asking users for options by means of dialog?

Actually that is the one major benefit over just installing binary
packages from somewhere: One can tailor port features as needed. In fact
I often do - be it only turning off NLS habitually.

I would mandate maintaing in hybrid mode: Compiling the personal
selection of ports with personally selected options from source, while
installing pre-built build (not run!) dependencies temporarily from some
repository: I don't care about rust, however I do care if compiling
clamav on my machine takes several hours, while spending the vast
majority of time building rust.

Kind regards
Helge

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Subject: Re: We need to do something about build times
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> On Oct 28, 2023, at 12:32 AM, Moin Rahman  wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:37 PM, Tatsuki Makino =
 wrote:
>>=20
>> Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/28 01:50:
>>> But by no means it reduces the build
>>> time of texlive-texmf. Hope everyone enjoys that. :)
>>>=20
>>=20
>> There are updates in the current port tree that cause packages =
rebuilt by glib updates to be rebuilt again :)
>>=20
>>> [00:01:19] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-base-20230313_3.pkg: new =
dependency: print/ghostscript10
>>> [00:01:22] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-texmf-20230313.pkg: missing =
dependency: texlive-base-20230313_3
>>> [00:01:39] [Dry Run] Ports to build: ... print/texlive-base =
print/texlive-texmf ...
>>=20
>> As far as I can see, it seems that it is possible to avoid rebuilding =
texlive-texmf by manually running poudriere bulk with =
print/texlive-base.
>> However, something else may cause texlive-texmf package to be =
removed, so it would be better to proceed gradually from libXdmcp, =
libxcb or something.
>>=20
>> I enjoy manual manipulation to minimize the time spent on rebuilding =
:)
>>=20
>> Regards.
>>=20
>=20
> I believe you do not have the latest tree. I have removed the build =
time dependency to texlive-base.
>=20
> This is my latest build:
>=20
> =
https://pkg.bofh.network/data/latest-per-pkg/texlive-texmf/20230313/124i38=
6-default.log
>=20
> And there is not call to texlive-base itself.
>=20
> Kind regards,
> Moin(bofh@ with tex@ hats on)
>=20

In contrary to my previous comment I think that somehow poudriere =
detected the change that it no longer depends on print/texlive-base and =
hence rebuilt the pkg so that it's properly processed in the pkg and =
removes the dependency on print/texlive-base.

So in the previous pkg repo it had a BUILD time dependency on =
print/texlive-base but after the latest build it is no longer there. =
Maybe there are still some place of improvements in poudriere's change =
detection mechanism specially BUILD_DEPENDS. :P

Kind regards,
Moin(bofh@ with all hats off)

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Moin Rahman wrote on 2023/10/28 23:10:
>> I believe you do not have the latest tree. I have removed the build time dependency to texlive-base.
>>
>> And there is not call to texlive-base itself.
> 
> In contrary to my previous comment I think that somehow poudriere detected the change that it no longer depends on print/texlive-base and hence rebuilt the pkg so that it's properly processed in the pkg and removes the dependency on print/texlive-base.
> 
> So in the previous pkg repo it had a BUILD time dependency on print/texlive-base but after the latest build it is no longer there. Maybe there are still some place of improvements in poudriere's change detection mechanism specially BUILD_DEPENDS. :P

I tried a command that intentionally rebuilds texlive-texmf.
For example
poudriere bulk -j ... -n -C print/texlive-base audio/libopenshot-audio

[00:00:48] [Dry Run] (-C) Will delete existing package: libopenshot-audio-0.3.2.pkg
[00:00:48] [Dry Run] (-C) Will delete existing package: texlive-base-20230313_3.pkg
[00:00:52] [Dry Run] Deleting tex-formats-20230313.pkg: missing dependency: texlive-base-20230313_3
[00:00:52] [Dry Run] Deleting texlive-texmf-20230313.pkg: missing dependency: texlive-base-20230313_3

These are still packages created by the old port tree and were targeted for removal.

[00:00:53] [Dry Run] Would build 2 packages using 2 builders
[00:00:53] [Dry Run] Ports to build: audio/libopenshot-audio print/texlive-base

However, they are not targeted for rebuilding because they do not have dependencies in the new tree.

If an old texlive-texmf package is still removed, all packages that depend on it may be removed.
By rebuilding only there, the dependency graph will be reconnected as if nothing had happened.

poudriere bulk -j ... -C print/texlive-texmf
poudriere bulk -j ... -C print/tex-formats

It seems that texlive-texmf has been separated from its frequently rebuilt dependencies.

Thank you very much.