From nobody Sun Feb 26 03:28:19 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PPTcF1lHnz3vDdD for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 03:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [IPv6:2607:5600:bd::1:1000]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PPTcF00Kwz3jcj; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 03:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2280AB05D9; Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:28:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:28:19 -0500 From: Greg Veldman To: Graham Perrin Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (268963) Security patches for xorg-server-21.1.4_1,1 Message-ID: References: <536b404411ef399b151b84b46a74dd31@robert-eckardt.de> <667f6be1-62d9-6f1e-c5fd-13e3385622b2@freebsd.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <667f6be1-62d9-6f1e-c5fd-13e3385622b2@freebsd.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PPTcF00Kwz3jcj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:2607:5600::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 06:15:03PM +0000, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 25/02/2023 14:13, Robert Eckardt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > does someone know, when an update for xorg-server-21.1.4_1,1 will be > > available? ??? > > I can't guess when a commit will be made. > > In the meantime, please know that the Ports Security Team is aware of > the security aspect. > > If it helps at all, I've been running xorg-server 21.1.7 built from the patch in that PR for over a week on my desktop machine with no issues. FreeBSD 12.3 amd64, built on the same machine I'm running it on. If you're willing to take my word that I didn't do anything nefarious to it, I've also put up a binary package of that build that anyone is free to use. https://www.gregv.net/xorg-server-21.1.7,1.pkg SHA256 sum: 353311aabccc9379af4d90e8ff445f8ba7444078cf8bb7bf4ea2f43b04351187 xorg-server-21.1.7,1.pkg -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From nobody Sun Feb 26 16:14:43 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PPpch1RJkz3tlNG for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rol@robert-eckardt.de) Received: from serv15.avernis.de (serv15.avernis.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:151:30a2::163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PPpcf6MYMz3rbK for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rol@robert-eckardt.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=robert-eckardt.de header.s=mail header.b="DLR/CxvE"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rol@robert-eckardt.de designates 2a01:4f8:151:30a2::163 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rol@robert-eckardt.de; dmarc=none Received: from postit (ip-088-153-206-046.um27.pools.vodafone-ip.de [88.153.206.46]) by serv15.avernis.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B59BBDE54FD for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:14:50 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=robert-eckardt.de; s=mail; t=1677428090; bh=8NeVky1+KaRF/WJvtKyqR8ruGCKxo8fjDomKbPHmWSk=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:References; b=DLR/CxvEOq52ypJmb8FSyVtoWOS/uFr1zkVgg0GA7Tj5vX6Gb19BHA4C7tqHTgjt7 T5tFxYUwaRWjm4U6MyhNnzDApnINHB08JsOWQP4moTkXAyiEgTnkbxR+dBMWy6mKeg ENZA00YuE9IBDzuLqVwUM4d+bkJPzNyjuEvkzPp6cY1wc3sBmvJyHvLTHP+sWMjgZ1 p8n1Y2hM5NDtRjR0v3gAoEkTdKNa/lG5J+6lP53tJFblpGWFEIsRtxICeq7uVAmLqH E0u1bWCMgAtsm0K79KyTcxCsL0sh1ijQzLdYjNGaEkBpMeyNtjHIFzUMvXvA2F5avn zGznKJyg0GBuw== Received: from webmail.home.roberte.eu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by postit (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 31QGEhsL065997 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:14:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rol@robert-eckardt.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gluon.home.roberte.eu: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be webmail.home.roberte.eu List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:14:43 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.16.0 From: "Robert Eckardt" Message-ID: <702b7e2155d9ae3c626d84db7dce7856@robert-eckardt.de> Subject: Re: (268963) Security patches for xorg-server-21.1.4_1,1 To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <536b404411ef399b151b84b46a74dd31@robert-eckardt.de> <667f6be1-62d9-6f1e-c5fd-13e3385622b2@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.103.7 at serv15.avernis.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[robert-eckardt.de:s=mail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[robert-eckardt.de:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[robert-eckardt.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PPpcf6MYMz3rbK X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi folks, thanks a lot. For the records: Eventually, I downloaded xorg-server-21.1.7 (fetch https://xorg.freedeskt= op.org/releases/individual/xserver/xorg-server-21.1.7.tar.xz) and changed= Makefile and distinfo of the 21.1.4 port accordingly. I checked only for FLAVOR=3Dxvfb, although it also builds xorg-server wit= hout errors when you forget the FLAVOR. And luckily the port built and reinstalled xorg-vfbserver without problem= s. diff -rC2 xorg-server-21.1.4/Makefile xorg-server/Makefile *** xorg-server-21.1.4/Makefile Sun Feb 26 11:34:01 2023 --- xorg-server/Makefile Sun Feb 26 11:36:49 2023 *************** *** 1,4 **** PORTNAME=3D xorg ! PORTVERSION=3D 21.1.4 PORTREVISION=3D 1 PORTEPOCH=3D 1 --- 1,4 ---- PORTNAME=3D xorg ! PORTVERSION=3D 21.1.7 PORTREVISION=3D 1 PORTEPOCH=3D 1 diff -rC2 xorg-server-21.1.4/distinfo xorg-server/distinfo *** xorg-server-21.1.4/distinfo Wed Jun 29 15:44:41 2022 --- xorg-server/distinfo Sun Feb 26 11:38:12 2023 *************** *** 1,3 **** TIMESTAMP =3D 1659367891 ! SHA256 (xorg-server-21.1.4.tar.xz) =3D 5cc4be8ee47edb58d4a90e603a59d56b= 40291ad38371b0bd2471fc3cbee1c587 ! SIZE (xorg-server-21.1.4.tar.xz) =3D 4940176 --- 1,3 ---- TIMESTAMP =3D 1659367891 ! SHA256 (xorg-server-21.1.7.tar.xz) =3D d9c60b2dd0ec52326ca6ab20db0e490b= 1ff4f566f59ca742d6532e92795877bb ! SIZE (xorg-server-21.1.7.tar.xz) =3D 4933292 26. Februar 2023 04:28, "Greg Veldman" schrieb: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 06:15:03PM +0000, Graham Perrin wrote: >=20 >>=20On 25/02/2023 14:13, Robert Eckardt wrote: >>=20 >>=20Hi all, >>=20 >>=20does someone know, when an update for xorg-server-21.1.4_1,1 will be >> available? ??? >>=20 >>=20I can't guess when a commit will be made. >>=20 >>=20In the meantime, please know that the Ports Security Team is aware o= f >> the security aspect. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20If it helps at all, I've been running xorg-server 21.1.7 built > from the patch in that PR for over a week on my desktop machine > with no issues. 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Subject: FreeBSD on the PinePhone Pro From: Joseph Mingrone Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org The FreeBSD Foundation was recently contacted by Honeyguide [1] about funding work to make FreeBSD run on the PinePhone Pro [2]. The developer or development team must be based out of South Africa. If you are interested, please contact me. [1] https://honeyguide.eu/ [2] https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCxDcMdr_fo PinePhone Pro Platform https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=14781&pid=99709 Fbsd13 https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7738&action=lastpost https://twitter.com/Fivnex/status/1365105202806710272 PotabiOS FreeBSD https://potabi.fivnex.co/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Fivnex/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_mobile_phones Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera, ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile. Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting groups together to do it :) https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/ https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/ " Subject: Are there any plans about designing and producing a FreeBSD smartphone with privacy in mind? https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2022-November/002352.html " " Klara Inc. is looking for an Arm Compiler and Toolchain Engineer. " " Seeking Systemd FREE distro recommendations - /r/pinephone DingDongHelloBayley: I'm after a privacy focused distro devoid of systemd. Reasoning: https://nosystemd.org/ nilsma231: Maybe you could look into FreeBSD? " -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAwK2fHArc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3lEc-IFr8 https://duckduckgo.com/?ia=videos&iax=videos&q=voluntaryism https://odysee.com/@Anarchast:2 https://bitchute.com/ || https://rumble.com/ https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247 https://libertarianinstitute.org/books/voluntaryist-handbook/ From nobody Mon Feb 27 21:25:12 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PQYRb4yWFz3t9YD; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.antonovs.family", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PQYRb2jLlz3Hgp; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=20200215; t=1677533073; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=9am9nTdYoVrnlq2NW9Gvm7M3bt0Unh6XVf26c3sWlWw=; b=PawKx6DpxAjcCfRzztJUMY3YG22YBhj5IWrHwfzbXWYJlaeb+ANT+Is0BPd3rr7aHzaogj uj8aOcO8Bk+zY1zX6iBwJtm6lOu+mJgYhjiq/z4VTBhG4iuCHxPJE8Pg35BEnfnOMEZhum cIxB1eSxrR3Zd2kgB7Xd/y8nZK2hisQ= Received: by mail.antonovs.family (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b4c3fa5b (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 21:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7ec68ac9-377b-0c7c-7cdc-948e771a2847@antonovs.family> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:25:12 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 Subject: Re: Arm64 Tier 1 FreeBSD 13 Phones Content-Language: en-US To: grarpamp , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20210410154750.phxivk7idvza37nx@mutt-hbsd> From: Ihor Antonov In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PQYRb2jLlz3Hgp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote: > [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable] > > > Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving > market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy > with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera, > ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile. > Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real > unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting groups > together to do it :) > > https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/ > https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/ > I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. 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I have a good PC and a decent graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help. Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto < marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hello. > > I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent graphic > card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help. > > Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov > ha scritto: > >> On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote: >> > [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable] >> > >> > >> > Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving >> > market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy >> > with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera, >> > ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile. >> > Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real >> > unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting groups >> > together to do it :) >> > >> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/ >> > https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/ >> > >> >> I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy to help >> with testing or >> I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing FreeBSD up >> on it. >> >> >> -- >> Ihor Antonov >> >> >> > > -- > Mario. > -- Mario. --0000000000001cf48c05f5b5f701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm very interested in this project. I have a goo= d PC and a decent=20 graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I=20 can help.

Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto= <marietto20= 08@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello.

I= 9;m very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent graphic = card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help.
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Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov <ihor@antono= vs.family> ha scritto:
On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote:
> [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable]
>
>
> Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving
> market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy
> with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera,
> ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile.<= br> > Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real > unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting grou= ps
> together to do it :)
>
> htt= ps://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_= potabi_os_dev/
> https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/
>

I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy to help
with testing or
I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing FreeBSD up on it.


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[209.85.128.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6-20020a05620a06c600b0071ddbe8fe23sm5837819qky.24.2023.02.27.16.09.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-536bbe5f888so224805577b3.8; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:387:b0:538:7f83:4d91 with SMTP id bh7-20020a05690c038700b005387f834d91mr9700891ywb.1.1677542959701; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 01:09:06 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Arm64 Tier 1 FreeBSD 13 Phones To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f34:from,209.85.128.170:received]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PQd5Z03Qtz43q5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:07=E2=80=AFAM grarpamp wrot= e: > FreeBSD Phones... Not really a "FreeBSD phones" just "phones" or "mobile multimedia capable embedded devices" as anything can run on them :-) For instance NuttX RTOS on PinePhone takes kilobytes in total: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkGI_0yK1vws There will be many different operating systems soon available on this kind of inexpensive powerful multimedia embedded systems. The problem is standard and compatibility. Unless vendor does not provide complete set of open source drivers and firmwares there will be no move forward. Unless application written for one won't run on another there will be no move forward. Unless there is no overcomplicated SDK and toolchain with libraries that have lifespan shorter than a bread there will be no move forward. 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Tech Giants will never open the source code of their drivers. Enrico Migliore On 28/02/2023 01:09, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:07 AM grarpamp wrote: >> FreeBSD Phones... > Not really a "FreeBSD phones" just "phones" or "mobile multimedia > capable embedded devices" as anything can run on them :-) > > For instance NuttX RTOS on PinePhone takes kilobytes in total: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGI_0yK1vws > > There will be many different operating systems soon available on this > kind of inexpensive powerful multimedia embedded systems. > > The problem is standard and compatibility. > > Unless vendor does not provide complete set of open source drivers and > firmwares there will be no move forward. > > Unless application written for one won't run on another there will be > no move forward. > > Unless there is no overcomplicated SDK and toolchain with libraries > that have lifespan shorter than a bread there will be no move forward. > > Because who needs bare OS/RTOS with no useful familiar applications. > > :-) > -- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus dal software antivirus Avast. www.avast.com From nobody Tue Feb 28 07:29:11 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PQpsB3JHvz3v6GG for ; 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Mon, 27 Feb 2023 23:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.53] ([37.161.11.99]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o25-20020a05600c511900b003dfe549da4fsm16736337wms.18.2023.02.27.23.29.14 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 23:29:15 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4JjX6Gm6z0BO00GfBN6i8fGI" Message-ID: <6e201c73-8496-8e99-37a6-01f8c931e760@fatti.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:29:11 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.8.0 Reply-To: enrico.migliore@fatti.com Subject: Re: Arm64 Tier 1 FreeBSD 13 Phones Content-Language: en-US To: Mario Marietto , Ihor Antonov Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20210410154750.phxivk7idvza37nx@mutt-hbsd> <7ec68ac9-377b-0c7c-7cdc-948e771a2847@antonovs.family> From: Enrico Migliore Organization: FATTI MECCANICA srl Disposition-Notification-To: Enrico Migliore In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 230228-0, 28/2/2023), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PQpsB1Lxrz3JW0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4JjX6Gm6z0BO00GfBN6i8fGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, another way is compiling FreeBSD as a native App that runs on top iOS and Android. Tech giants will never open the source code of their devices drivers. Enrico Migliore On 27/02/2023 23:25, Mario Marietto wrote: > I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent > graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I > can help. > > Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto > ha scritto: > > Hello. > > I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent > graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider > if I can help. > > Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov > ha scritto: > > On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote: > > [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable] > > > > > > Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving > > market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy > > with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera,= > > ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet > still mobile. > > Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] > fund real > > unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about > putting groups > > together to do it :) > > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfree= bsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/ > > https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/ > > > > I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy > to help > with testing or > I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing > FreeBSD up > on it. > > > -- > Ihor Antonov > > > > > -- > Mario. > > > > -- > Mario. -- Cordiali Saluti, Best Regards Enrico Migliore FATTI MECCANICA srl Via Donatello 72 - Solaro - Milano - Italy T. +39 366 455 4904 T. +39 02 9679 9655 www.fatti-meccanica.com -- Questa email =C3=A8 stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus dal software anti= virus Avast. www.avast.com --------------4JjX6Gm6z0BO00GfBN6i8fGI Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi,

another way is compiling FreeBSD as a native App that runs on top iOS and Android.

Tech giants will never open the source code of their devices drivers.

Enrico Migliore

On 27/02/2023 23:25, Mario Marietto wrote:
I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help.

Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello.

I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help.

Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> ha scritto:
On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote:
> [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable]
>
>
> Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving
> market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy
> with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera,
> ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile.
> Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real
> unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting groups
> together to do it :)
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/
> https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/
>

I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy to help
with testing or
I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing FreeBSD up
on it.


--
Ihor Antonov




--
Mario.


--
Mario.
-- 
Cordiali Saluti, Best Regards

Enrico Migliore

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BCM91250A is the Evaluation Board for BCM1250,and it runs VxWorks,Linux, and NetBSD Is it hard to convert the NetBSD code to FreeBSD code ? Il giorno mar 28 feb 2023 alle ore 08:29 Enrico Migliore < enrico.migliore@fatti.com> ha scritto: > Hi, > > another way is compiling FreeBSD as a native App that runs on top iOS and > Android. > > Tech giants will never open the source code of their devices drivers. > > Enrico Migliore > On 27/02/2023 23:25, Mario Marietto wrote: > > I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent graphic > card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help. > > Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto < > marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hello. >> >> I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and a decent >> graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can >> help. >> >> Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov >> ha scritto: >> >>> On 2/27/23 00:01, grarpamp wrote: >>> > [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable] >>> > >>> > >>> > Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving >>> > market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy >>> > with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera, >>> > ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile. >>> > Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real >>> > unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting >>> groups >>> > together to do it :) >>> > >>> > >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxfreebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/ >>> > https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettly_/submitted/ >>> > >>> >>> I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy to help >>> with testing or >>> I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing FreeBSD up >>> on it. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ihor Antonov >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Mario. >> > > > -- > Mario. > > -- > Cordiali Saluti, Best Regards > > Enrico Migliore > > FATTI MECCANICA srl > Via Donatello 72 - Solaro - Milano - Italy > T. +39 366 455 4904 > T. +39 02 9679 9655www.fatti-meccanica.com > > > > Privo > di virus.www.avast.com > > <#m_-3735976163960059506_m_984404758346893769_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- Mario. --0000000000009c339d05f5be79be Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems that NetBSD offered a couple of interesting devices :
The Danger Hiptop / T-Mobile Sidekick = LX 2009 mobile phone runs on a NetBSD kernel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX : Able to use= Pkgsrc framework from NetBSD project

BCM1250 is Integrated 64-= bit MIPS Multi-Processor designed by Broadcom Corporation. BCM91250A is the= Evaluation Board for BCM1250,and it runs VxWorks,Linux, and NetBSD

Is it hard to convert the NetBSD code to FreeBSD code ?

Il giorno mar 28 feb 2023 alle ore 08:29 Enrico Migliore <enrico.migliore@f= atti.com> ha scritto:
=20 =20 =20

Hi,

another way is compiling FreeBSD as a native App that runs on top iOS and Android.

Tech giants will never open the source code of their devices drivers.

Enrico Migliore

On 27/02/2023 23:25, Mario Marietto wrote:
=20
I'm very interested in this project. I have a good PC and = a decent graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help.

Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:54 Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hello.

I'm very interested in this project. I have a good P= C and a decent graphic card. If I can be useful,tell me how and I will consider if I can help.

Il giorno lun 27 feb 2023 alle ore 22:25 Ihor Antonov &= lt;ihor@antonovs.family> ha scritto:
On 2/27/23 = 00:01, grarpamp wrote:
> [cc'd for fyi, trim replies to where applicable] >
>
> Devices like PinePhone and Purism Librem Phone, and evolving
> market of somewhat inexpensive ARM64's, could be synergy
> with developing world + cryptocurrency + freespeech + etcetera,
> ie: better than featurephones, less than PC/laptop, yet still mobile.
> Many others around world would seek to use and or [crowd] fund real
> unix on phones. Linux runs there, so It is now only about putting groups
> together to do it :)
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/pokckt/ama_linuxf= reebsd_user_and_potabi_os_dev/
> https://www.reddit.com/user/Nettl= y_/submitted/
>

I happen to have a PinePhone Pro lying around. I will be happy to help
with testing or
I can ship it to whoever is going to to the work on bringing FreeBSD up
on it.


--
Ihor Antonov




--
Mario.


--
Mario.
--=20
Cordiali Saluti, Best Regards

Enrico Migliore

FATTI MECCANICA srl
Via Donatello 72 - Solaro - Milano - Italy
T. +39 366 455 4904
T. +39 02 9679 9655
www.fatti-mecc=
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That means it boots into installation media every time. I've scoured the web for what keyboard magic will do this, but it appears that OSX has to be installed for any of them to work. So, I interrupt the boot loader and got a list of the known disks, on the theory that if I can manually force booting from he internal drive I can use BSD commands to kick the installation media out of the drive. So... I'd appreciate help with two issues: 1. Once I am in the boot loader at the OK prompt I see two drives I see the boot drive I want: disk0s1a What is the magic incantation to force the loader to boot off the drive? 2. Once I have FreeBSD running off the internal drive, what is the magic incantation to eject the installation medium? Stupid Apple and their infernal need to make everything moron-proof makes things worse Grrrrrrr.... 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I consider this somewhat user unfriendly ... 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PRHrq4zKDz3GyF X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2/28/23 19:23, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > OK, so I installed 13.1 i386 on an ancient Mac Min Core2 Duo but I cannot for > the life of me figure out how to eject the CD using a standard PC keyboard > connected to that machine.  That means it boots into installation media > every time. > > I've scoured the web for what keyboard magic will do this, but it appears > that OSX has to be installed for any of them to work. > > So, I interrupt the boot loader and got a list of the known disks, on > the theory that if I can manually force booting from he internal drive > I can use BSD commands to kick the installation media out of the drive. > > So... I'd appreciate help with two issues: > > 1.  Once I am in the boot loader at the OK prompt I see two drives >     I see the boot drive I want:  disk0s1a  What is the magic >     incantation to force the loader to boot off the drive? > > 2.  Once I have FreeBSD running off the internal drive, what is the >     magic incantation to eject the installation medium? > > Stupid Apple and their infernal need to make everything moron-proof > makes things worse  Grrrrrrr.... > > > TIA, > Inevitably, after hours of being stuck on this (more out of curiosity than actual need), I found the answers about 10 mins after I posted the above. In hopes of helping other poor souls... 1. Get to the bootloader OK prompt and: lsdev set currdev="disk0s1" set vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/ada0s1a" boot 2. Log into root account after its booted and: cdcontrol -f /dev/cd0 eject Sorry for being a pest! From nobody Wed Mar 1 07:01:35 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PRQCG721bz3vVn1 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 07:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from h1.out3.mxs.au (h1.out3.mxs.au [110.232.143.237]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PRQCG2XHWz3vZZ for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 07:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au (s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au [103.27.34.4]) by out3.mxs.au (Halon) with ESMTPS id ec79ff44-b7fe-11ed-8896-00163c573069; Wed, 01 Mar 2023 18:01:43 +1100 (AEDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nimnet.asn.au; s=default; h=Message-ID:From:CC:To:Subject: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To: Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wH8bcw9SleGw7CaXv1EaILgENPHCFvm0hJB1YgIBblU=; b=a7cNtlok/y37YnOtkTKx4dAu1C Q1P7HXcxIsHtl7yds+lrZzZAef2dYlMAH+74r0ZPGPigfzrqkxQhSzmApzMoEvpOYfeoIjby0ra3E r35eGolF7Oa56FgU4NTLjW0CUtPvphfVytGxJ7yvApMPq7/bsetC2XxrWBT+d7N5pDAcaTpgYne53 9vamJMgpJvwpHr9mZ4Tf9KNEOW9YsP0bueSc/MrbG7/+PYy6RRInvHs/4+2hYiPmNIQTfBeSkj4TF ngRIsXz4DrdokAgNVRwn/nbPoOOpAXc7l5Zq4+KLn4dlyoel6R6UHDKymDYUDSwO2CgjxpCDS+oEp DSf0aCGQ==; Received: from [1.144.250.106] (port=38922 helo=Galaxy-J5-Pro) by s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1pXGT8-004D0E-2A; Wed, 01 Mar 2023 18:01:43 +1100 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2023 18:01:35 +1100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <1feb6dbc-380a-6e8b-f58d-b7f728d7f2f0@tundraware.com> References: <1d7b3472-d266-b018-8e37-deb4c8331f37@tundraware.com> <1feb6dbc-380a-6e8b-f58d-b7f728d7f2f0@tundraware.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: When the going gets weird - Mac Mini To: Tim Daneliuk CC: questions@freebsd.org,Trev Roydhouse From: Ian Smith Message-ID: <32F8C50E-7475-434F-B144-12088B9EE9F8@nimnet.asn.au> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nimnet.asn.au X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au: authenticated_id: smithi@nimnet.asn.au X-Authenticated-Sender: s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au: smithi@nimnet.asn.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PRQCG2XHWz3vZZ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:45638, ipnet:110.232.140.0/22, country:AU] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 1 March 2023 1:15:11 pm AEDT, Tim Daneliuk wro= te: > On 2/28/23 19:23, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > OK, so I installed 13=2E1 i386 on an ancient Mac Min Core2 Duo but I > cannot for > > the life of me figure out how to eject the CD using a standard PC > keyboard > > connected to that machine=2E=C2=A0 That means it boots into installat= ion > media > > every time=2E > > Stupid Apple and their infernal need to make everything moron-proof > > makes things worse=C2=A0 Grrrrrrr=2E=2E=2E=2E > Inevitably, after hours of being stuck on this (more out of curiosity > than actual need), I found the answers about 10 mins after I posted > the > above=2E In hopes of helping other poor souls=2E=2E=2E >=20 > 1=2E Get to the bootloader OK prompt and: >=20 > lsdev > set currdev=3D"disk0s1" > set vfs=2Eroot=2Emountfrom=3D"ufs:/dev/ada0s1a" > boot >=20 > 2=2E Log into root account after its booted and: >=20 > cdcontrol -f /dev/cd0 eject >=20 >=20 > Sorry for being a pest! It's been too quiet here anyway <&^}=3D I guess it's beyond Apple to have almost invisible holes in their gear=2E = From most Thinkpad manuals: "If the tray still does not open, make sure that the computer is running, = and insert the end of a straightened paper clip into the emergency eject ho= le=2E The tray will open=2E" cheers, Ian From nobody Wed Mar 1 07:41:07 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PRR4S3dwyz3vXn1 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 07:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PRR4R3tS0z40hq for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 07:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de designates 178.254.4.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de; dmarc=none Received: from [178.254.11.41] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pXH5I-0005YP-21 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2023 08:41:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:41:07 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Moving a FreeBSD/X11 keyboard confif to Macbook Pro Message-ID: <20230301074107.GB9@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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The config is done by some simple script like this: /usr/local/bin/setxkbmap -model pc105 \ -layout de,us \ -option "altwin:swap_alt_win" \ -option "lv3:ralt_switch" # we use the Win-key to add more (esp. Spanish) letters to the keys: # # Spanish tilded chars (use Mode_switch + char) # xmodmap -e "keycode 133 = Mode_switch" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x39 = n N ntilde Ntilde" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1a = e E eacute Eacute" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x26 = a A aacute Aacute" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1f = i I iacute Iacute" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1e = u U uacute Uacute" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x20 = o O oacute Oacute" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x14 = questiondown question backslash ssharp" xmodmap -e "keycode 0x0a = 1 exclam exclamdown onesuperior" # ... My question is, is there some similar configuration on a Macbook Pro? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub From nobody Wed Mar 1 12:02:51 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PRXtV5KvBz3vmn3 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PRXtT6fbFz4XNX for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 12:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of guru@unixarea.de designates 178.254.4.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guru@unixarea.de; dmarc=none Received: from [188.174.54.98] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pXLAa-0006z5-34 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2023 13:02:52 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.16.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id 321C2pug014197 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:02:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.16.1/8.14.9/Submit) id 321C2pFG014196 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:02:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:02:51 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moving a FreeBSD/X11 keyboard confif to Macbook Pro Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20230301074107.GB9@sh4-5.1blu.de> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20230301074107.GB9@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r368166 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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The > config is done by some simple script like this: > > /usr/local/bin/setxkbmap -model pc105 \ > -layout de,us \ > -option "altwin:swap_alt_win" \ > -option "lv3:ralt_switch" > > # we use the Win-key to add more (esp. Spanish) letters to the keys: > # > # Spanish tilded chars (use Mode_switch + char) > # > xmodmap -e "keycode 133 = Mode_switch" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x39 = n N ntilde Ntilde" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1a = e E eacute Eacute" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x26 = a A aacute Aacute" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1f = i I iacute Iacute" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x1e = u U uacute Uacute" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x20 = o O oacute Oacute" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x14 = questiondown question backslash ssharp" > xmodmap -e "keycode 0x0a = 1 exclam exclamdown onesuperior" > # > ... I figured it out; one can create a dir and a file in it with the following syntax: /* to be placed into the (created) directory /Users/apitzm/Library/KeyBindings as file DefaultKeyBinding.dict */ { "~q" = ("insertText:", "@"); "~a" = ("insertText:", "á"); "~A" = ("insertText:", "Á"); "~e" = ("insertText:", "é"); "~E" = ("insertText:", "É"); "~i" = ("insertText:", "í"); "~I" = ("insertText:", "Í"); "~o" = ("insertText:", "ó"); "~O" = ("insertText:", "Ó"); "~?" = ("insertText:", "¿"); "~!" = ("insertText:", "¡"); "~<" = ("insertText:", "«"); "~>" = ("insertText:", "»"); "~m" = ("insertText:", "ñ"); /* ñ not working , why? */ "~M" = ("insertText:", "Ñ"); /* Ñ not working , why? */ } Only two keys are currently not working as expected, but I use the 'm' key + option-key to get ñ :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub From nobody Wed Mar 1 15:37:19 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PRdf36sBKz3v16P for ; 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Wed, 01 Mar 2023 07:37:30 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1d7b3472-d266-b018-8e37-deb4c8331f37@tundraware.com> <1feb6dbc-380a-6e8b-f58d-b7f728d7f2f0@tundraware.com> <32F8C50E-7475-434F-B144-12088B9EE9F8@nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <32F8C50E-7475-434F-B144-12088B9EE9F8@nimnet.asn.au> From: paul beard Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 07:37:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: When the going gets weird - Mac Mini To: Ian Smith Cc: Tim Daneliuk , questions@freebsd.org, Trev Roydhouse Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007f3c1005f5d87dd4" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PRdf350sGz3jdx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000007f3c1005f5d87dd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Ian Smith w= rote: > > > It's been too quiet here anyway <&^}=3D > > I guess it's beyond Apple to have almost invisible holes in their gear. > From most Thinkpad manuals: > > "If the tray still does not open, make sure that the computer is running, > and insert the end of a straightened paper clip into the emergency eject > hole. The tray will open." > > cheers, Ian > > Apple kit used to have the eject hole but it disappeared year ago=E2=80=A6n= ot sure if the suppliers stopped making drives with that facility or if Apple redesigned the cases to obscure it. I think w/in MacOS you can force eject disks w software (diskutll eject might do it). --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000007f3c1005f5d87dd4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:02=E2=80= =AFPM Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.a= sn.au> wrote:


It's been too quiet here anyway <&^}=3D

I guess it's beyond Apple to have almost invisible holes in their gear.= =C2=A0 From most Thinkpad manuals:

"If the tray still does not open, make sure that the computer is runni= ng, and insert the end of a straightened paper clip into the emergency ejec= t hole. The tray will open."

cheers, Ian


Apple kit used to have the eject hole but= it disappeared year ago=E2=80=A6not sure if the suppliers stopped making d= rives with that facility or if Apple redesigned the cases to obscure it. I = think w/in MacOS you can force eject disks w software (diskutll=C2=A0eject = might do it).=C2=A0

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--0000000000007f3c1005f5d87dd4-- From nobody Wed Mar 1 16:38:34 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PRg0q4StWz3v4gG for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.126.123]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PRg0q13N1z3sRV for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e15b:23::23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 626B92A932; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 11:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Mather Message-Id: <915C0D91-97D5-49B4-8F23-A69CDEF1A51F@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C2CB09B-7A52-4A76-ADC2-90AB095E89D1" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: When the going gets weird - Mac Mini Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 11:38:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: Ian Smith , Tim Daneliuk , User Questions , Trev Roydhouse To: paul beard References: <1d7b3472-d266-b018-8e37-deb4c8331f37@tundraware.com> <1feb6dbc-380a-6e8b-f58d-b7f728d7f2f0@tundraware.com> <32F8C50E-7475-434F-B144-12088B9EE9F8@nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PRg0q13N1z3sRV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --Apple-Mail=_3C2CB09B-7A52-4A76-ADC2-90AB095E89D1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Mar 1, 2023, at 10:37 AM, paul beard wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Ian Smith = > wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> It's been too quiet here anyway <&^}=3D >>=20 >> I guess it's beyond Apple to have almost invisible holes in their = gear. =46rom most Thinkpad manuals: >>=20 >> "If the tray still does not open, make sure that the computer is = running, and insert the end of a straightened paper clip into the = emergency eject hole. The tray will open." >>=20 >> cheers, Ian >>=20 >=20 >=20 > Apple kit used to have the eject hole but it disappeared year = ago=E2=80=A6not sure if the suppliers stopped making drives with that = facility or if Apple redesigned the cases to obscure it. I think w/in = MacOS you can force eject disks w software (diskutll eject might do it).=20= It used to be that if you held down the mouse button when the system was = starting up then it would force-eject the disc in the optical drive. It = looks like this is still true: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255 (For newer Apple Silicon Macs it looks like you need to boot into = Recovery Mode and from there you can access Disk Utility, which will let = you eject the disc.) Cheers, Paul. --Apple-Mail=_3C2CB09B-7A52-4A76-ADC2-90AB095E89D1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Mar 1, = 2023, at 10:37 AM, paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> = wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at = 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> = wrote:


It's been too quiet here anyway <&^}=3D

I guess it's beyond Apple to have almost invisible holes in their = gear.  =46rom most Thinkpad manuals:

"If the tray still does not open, make sure that the computer is = running, and insert the end of a straightened paper clip into the = emergency eject hole. The tray will open."

cheers, Ian


Apple kit used to have the eject hole = but it disappeared year ago=E2=80=A6not sure if the suppliers stopped = making drives with that facility or if Apple redesigned the cases to = obscure it. I think w/in MacOS you can force eject disks w software = (diskutll eject might do = it). 


It used = to be that if you held down the mouse button when the system was = starting up then it would force-eject the disc in the optical drive. =  It looks like this is still true: https://support.apple.co= m/en-us/HT201255

(For newer Apple Silicon = Macs it looks like you need to boot into Recovery Mode and from there = you can access Disk Utility, which will let you eject the = disc.)

Cheers,

Paul.
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Maybe it can be useful. > > https://gist.github.com/nobrowser/4f4342cb95c7e4c186cba01425123871 Ian, thanks for this. This is very useful and I will give it a try. As I wrote, I crafted my own file DefaultKeyBinding.dict by hand and it is working mostly: { "~q" = ("insertText:", "@"); "~a" = ("insertText:", "á"); "~A" = ("insertText:", "Á"); "~e" = ("insertText:", "é"); "~E" = ("insertText:", "É"); "~i" = ("insertText:", "í"); "~I" = ("insertText:", "Í"); "~o" = ("insertText:", "ó"); "~O" = ("insertText:", "Ó"); "~u" = ("insertText:", "ú"); /* ú does not work; use ´u which also gives ú */ "~U" = ("insertText:", "Ú"); "~?" = ("insertText:", "¿"); "~!" = ("insertText:", "¡"); "~<" = ("insertText:", "«"); "~>" = ("insertText:", "»"); "~m" = ("insertText:", "ñ"); /* ñ not working , why? */ "~M" = ("insertText:", "Ñ"); /* Ñ not working , why? */ } As said, mostly. Do you have an idea why the above three lines with the comments /* ... */ are not working? Btw: The Mac has a German keyboard, if this matters. For the ñ and Ñ I use the keys option+m or option+M, which works, but is ugly. Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub From nobody Thu Mar 2 07:50:13 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PS3DW5FmPz3w0pl; Thu, 2 Mar 2023 07:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Received: from echo.brtsvcs.net (echo.brtsvcs.net [IPv6:2607:f740:c::4ae]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PS3DV36m5z3LmH; Thu, 2 Mar 2023 07:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com designates 2607:f740:c::4ae as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com; dmarc=none Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (65-100-43-2.dia.static.qwest.net [65.100.43.2]) by echo.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 074F338D01; Thu, 2 Mar 2023 07:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.26.25.100] (ivy.pas.ds.pilgrimaccounting.com [10.26.25.100]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A100127475; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 23:50:14 -0800 (PST) To: ports@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org From: Mel Pilgrim Subject: How do I determine the ABI string used by pkg? 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Hope this helps. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Matthias Apitz wr= ote: > El d=C3=ADa Mittwoch, M=C3=A4rz 01, 2023 a las 04:45:52 -0800, > possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org escribi=C3=B3: > > > On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 01:02:51PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > I figured it out; one can create a dir and a file in it with the > > > following syntax: > > > > > > /* to be placed into the (created) directory > /Users/apitzm/Library/KeyBindings as file DefaultKeyBinding.dict */ > > > > When I started using a Mac about 2 years ago I wrote a Perl script to > translate > > my XCompose file from my Linux computers. Maybe it can be useful. > > > > https://gist.github.com/nobrowser/4f4342cb95c7e4c186cba01425123871 > > Ian, thanks for this. This is very useful and I will give it a try. > > As I wrote, I crafted my own file DefaultKeyBinding.dict by hand and it > is working mostly: > > { > "~q" =3D ("insertText:", "@"); > "~a" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=A1"); > "~A" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=81"); > "~e" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=A9"); > "~E" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=89"); > "~i" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=AD"); > "~I" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=8D"); > "~o" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=B3"); > "~O" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=93"); > "~u" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=BA"); /* =C3=BA does not work; use =C2= =B4u which also > gives =C3=BA */ > "~U" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=9A"); > "~?" =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=BF"); > "~!" =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=A1"); > "~<" =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=AB"); > "~>" =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=BB"); > > "~m" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=B1"); /* =C3=B1 not working , why? */ > "~M" =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=91"); /* =C3=91 not working , why? */ > } > > As said, mostly. Do you have an idea why the above three lines with the > comments /* ... */ are not working? Btw: The Mac has a German keyboard, > if this matters. For the =C3=B1 and =C3=91 I use the keys option+m or opt= ion+M, > which works, but is ugly. > > Thanks > > matthias > > -- > Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ > +49-176-38902045 > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub > > --0000000000004d726205f5e77a15 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Matthias,

Due to a typo you have set= up the wrong SPF for your mail server:

= unixarea.de. = 86400 IN = TXT <= /span>"v=3Dspf1 ip4:178.254.4.101 include:unixare.de -all"



"unixare= .de" is just a typo, it should be "unixarea.de".


<= /p>

Hope this helps.



On Thu, M= ar 2, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
El d=C3=ADa Mittwoch, M=C3=A4rz 01, 2023 a las 04= :45:52 -0800, possessor.assizer305@aceecat.org escribi=C3=B3:

> On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 01:02:51PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> >
> > I figured it out; one can create a dir and a file in it with the<= br> > > following syntax:
> >
> > /* to be placed into the (created) directory /Users/apitzm/Librar= y/KeyBindings as file DefaultKeyBinding.dict */
>
> When I started using a Mac about 2 years ago I wrote a Perl script to = translate
> my XCompose file from my Linux computers. Maybe it can be useful.
>
> https://gist.github.com/nobro= wser/4f4342cb95c7e4c186cba01425123871

Ian, thanks for this. This is very useful and I will give it a try.

As I wrote, I crafted my own file DefaultKeyBinding.dict by hand and it
is working mostly:

{
"~q"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "@");
"~a"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=A1");
"~A"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=81");
"~e"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=A9");
"~E"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=89");
"~i"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=AD");
"~I"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=8D");
"~o"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=B3");
"~O"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=93");
"~u"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=BA");=C2= =A0 =C2=A0/* =C3=BA does not work; use =C2=B4u which also gives =C3=BA */ "~U"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=9A");
"~?"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=BF");
"~!"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=A1");
"~<"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=AB");<= br> "~>"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C2=BB");<= br>
"~m"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=B1");=C2= =A0 =C2=A0/* =C3=B1 not working , why? */
"~M"=C2=A0 =3D ("insertText:", "=C3=91");=C2= =A0 =C2=A0/* =C3=91 not working , why? */
}

As said, mostly. Do you have an idea why the above three lines with the
comments /* ... */ are not working? Btw: The Mac has a German keyboard,
if this matters. For the =C3=B1 and =C3=91 I use the keys option+m or optio= n+M,
which works, but is ugly.

Thanks

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 matthias

--
Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045
Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub

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I am installing Xapian within a virtual environment and I am getting stuck It might help to mention that I am using the script at: https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/blob/master/install_xapian.sh --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- depbase=3D`echo xapian_wrap.lo | sed 's|[^/]*$|.deps/&|;s|\.lo$||'`; /bin/s= h ../libtool --tag=3DCXX --mode=3Dcompile c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include/python3.9 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=3Dhidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapian_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF $depbase.Tpo -c -o xapian_wrap.lo xapian_wrap.cc && mv -f $depbase.Tpo $depbase.Plo libtool: compile: c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include/python3.9 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=3Dhidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapian_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/xapian_wrap.Tpo -c xapian_wrap.cc -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/xapian_wrap.o /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=3DCXX --mode=3Dlink c++ -fno-strict-aliasing -= Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=3Dhidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -avoid-version -module -shrext ".cpython-39.so" -o _xapian.la -rpath /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/xapian xapian_wrap.lo -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -lxapian -lstdc++ libtool: link: c++ -fPIC -DPIC -shared -nostdlib /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbeginS.o .libs/xapian_wrap.o -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/libxapian.so -lz -lrt -lstdc++ -L/usr/lib -lc++ -lm -lc -lgcc -lgcc_s /usr/lib/crtendS.o /usr/lib/crtn.o -g -O2 -Wl,-soname -Wl,_xapian.cpython-39.so -o .libs/_ xapian.cpython-39.so ld: error: unable to find library -lstdc++ c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) *** Error code 1 Stop. make[3]: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21/python3 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21/python3 *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21 *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21 --8<---------------cuthere----------------end--------------->8--- --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) --00000000000025b81c05f5fbf5ed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE here.

I am installing Xapian within a virtual environment and I am getting stuc= k

It might help to mention that I am using the scr= ipt at:=C2=A0https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/blo= b/master/install_xapian.sh

--8<------------= ---cut here---------------start------------->8---
depbase= =3D`echo xapian_wrap.lo | sed 's|[^/]*$|.deps/&|;s|\.lo$||'`; /= bin/sh ../libtool =C2=A0--tag=3DCXX =C2=A0 =C2=A0--mode=3Dcompile c++ -DHAV= E_CONFIG_H =C2=A0-I. -I.. =C2=A0-I/usr/local/include/python3.9 =C2=A0 -fno-= strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=3Dhidden = -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapia= n_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF $depbase.Tpo -c -o xapian_wrap.lo xapian_wrap.cc &= ;& mv -f $depbase.Tpo $depbase.Plo
libtool: compile: =C2=A0c++ -DHAV= E_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include/python3.9 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wa= ll -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=3Dhidden -fvisibility-inline= s-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapian_wrap.lo -MD -MP -= MF .deps/xapian_wrap.Tpo -c xapian_wrap.cc =C2=A0-fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/xapia= n_wrap.o
/bin/sh ../libtool =C2=A0--tag=3DCXX =C2=A0 =C2=A0--mode=3Dlink= c++ -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility= =3Dhidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include =C2=A0= -g -O2 -avoid-version -module -shrext ".cpython-39.so" =C2=A0 -o = _xapian.la -rpath /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib= /python3.9/site-packages/xapian xapian_wrap.lo -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -= lxapian -lstdc++
libtool: link: c++ =C2=A0-fPIC -DPIC -shared -nostdlib = /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbeginS.o =C2=A0.libs/xapian_wrap.o =C2=A0 -Wl,-= rpath -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib = -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/libxapian.so -lz -lrt -= lstdc++ -L/usr/lib -lc++ -lm -lc -lgcc -lgcc_s /usr/lib/crtendS.o /usr/lib/= crtn.o =C2=A0-g -O2 =C2=A0 -Wl,-soname -Wl,_xapian.cpython-39.so -o .libs/_xapian.cpython-39.so
ld: error: unable to find library -lst= dc++
c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see i= nvocation)
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[3]: stopped in /opt/mai= lman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21/python3
*** Error code 1
Stop.
make[2]: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bind= ings-1.4.21/python3
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[1]: stopped in= /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21
*** Error code 1
Stop.
make: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindin= gs-1.4.21

--8<---------------cuthere-----------= -----end--------------->8---




--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 = 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cru= ft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2= =A0:-)
--00000000000025b81c05f5fbf5ed-- From nobody Fri Mar 3 14:54:58 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PSrcC2QC6z3w1H0 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2023 14:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [94.130.200.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-384) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PSrc94hnyz3GBG for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2023 14:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gojira.at header.s=mail202005 header.b=vhLdLsSR; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of herbert@gojira.at designates 94.130.200.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=herbert@gojira.at; dmarc=none Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2023 15:54:58 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gojira.at; s=mail202005; t=1677855298; bh=7BvwUkpOfOyFeZDuQxJhr00dUMd5SU0JZvdBT4Ux+h8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vhLdLsSR5LOGScsnsQyCrjpAng4VWyixTvRr4kINWQuQiJU6DLaMJG1qsuoydrnto t2WOC6AfSfV22hS8ews3Mb8fKrLUdXKwnx822qRT0Hf4axQ7IdZxybt08Y2ksuPGys zwrtwCJcK76Pcp/l7mK6JanVW+8uRkGADG/87TLhnbKDXzOMoV80PgTUQO0pNQcupz ipm+Xfe6kSYp38oX2rXB4m1RqzLg5cFLkMcLBQo0FIRz6M0uJj55vPCbVIJ1IInaXj Ld5GqMDeCd8X3GATtwRk3B5+63txFAGwcnWmcgbrt8PkzKQ3x/IKkCyjCabBW2PNJ1 yf6XFJDLpqUzw== From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ld: error: unable to find library -lstdc++ Message-ID: References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:94.130.200.20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gojira.at:s=mail202005]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gojira.at:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gojira.at]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:94.130.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PSrc94hnyz3GBG X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 12:55:43PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Hi, > FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE here. > > I am installing Xapian within a virtual environment and I am getting stuck > > It might help to mention that I am using the script at: > https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/blob/master/install_xapian.sh > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > depbase=`echo xapian_wrap.lo | sed 's|[^/]*$|.deps/&|;s|\.lo$||'`; /bin/sh > ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. > -I/usr/local/include/python3.9 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused > -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden > -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapian_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF > $depbase.Tpo -c -o xapian_wrap.lo xapian_wrap.cc && mv -f $depbase.Tpo > $depbase.Plo > libtool: compile: c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. > -I/usr/local/include/python3.9 -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused > -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=hidden -fvisibility-inlines-hidden > -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 -MT xapian_wrap.lo -MD -MP -MF > .deps/xapian_wrap.Tpo -c xapian_wrap.cc -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/xapian_wrap.o > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link c++ -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall > -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -fvisibility=hidden > -fvisibility-inlines-hidden -I/opt/mailman/mm/venv/include -g -O2 > -avoid-version -module -shrext ".cpython-39.so" -o _xapian.la -rpath > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/xapian xapian_wrap.lo > -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -lxapian -lstdc++ > libtool: link: c++ -fPIC -DPIC -shared -nostdlib /usr/lib/crti.o > /usr/lib/crtbeginS.o .libs/xapian_wrap.o -Wl,-rpath > -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib > -L/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/libxapian.so -lz -lrt > -lstdc++ -L/usr/lib -lc++ -lm -lc -lgcc -lgcc_s /usr/lib/crtendS.o > /usr/lib/crtn.o -g -O2 -Wl,-soname -Wl,_xapian.cpython-39.so -o .libs/_ > xapian.cpython-39.so > ld: error: unable to find library -lstdc++ > c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see > invocation) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[3]: stopped in > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21/python3 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[2]: stopped in > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21/python3 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[1]: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make: stopped in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/packages/xapian-bindings-1.4.21 > > --8<---------------cuthere----------------end--------------->8--- The port databases/py-xapian does: post-patch: @${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|-lstdc++||g' ${WRKSRC}/configure So you can try to add sed -i.bak -e 's|-lstdc++||g' configure before line 45 of install_xapian.sh. -- Herbert From nobody Fri Mar 3 15:20:46 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PSs9w066vz3w1vm for ; 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Fri, 3 Mar 2023 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: questions Subject: Re: ld: error: unable to find library -lstdc++ In-Reply-To: (Odhiambo Washington's message of "Fri, 3 Mar 2023 12:55:43 +0300") References: Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2023 16:20:46 +0100 Message-ID: <8rgd-dfox-wny@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Odhiambo Washington writes: > Hi, > FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE here. > > I am installing Xapian within a virtual environment and I am getting stuck > > It might help to mention that I am using the script at: > https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/blob/master/install_xapian.sh -lstdc++ is part of lang/gcc* but FreeBSD >= 10 ships Clang with -lc++ instead. C++ compiler automatically adds -lstdc++ or -lc++ unless -nostdlib or -nostdlib++. Modern Clang converts -lstdc++ into -lc++ unless -nostdlib or -nostdlib++. xapian-bindings uses libtool which adds -nostdlib and uses autoconf to detect GCC which includes Clang due to __GNUC__ defined for compatibility. Why not use ports/packages where this is already solved? >From databases/py-xapian/Makefile post-patch: @${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|-lstdc++||g' ${WRKSRC}/configure Alternatively, replace -lstdc++ with -lc++ in Clang via environ(7) $ export CCC_OVERRIDE_OPTIONS='# s/stdc\+\+/c++/' # sh(1) style $ setenv CCC_OVERRIDE_OPTIONS '# s/stdc\+\+/c++/' # csh(1) style