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[209.85.219.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d71-20020a25cd4a000000b00b8f5b3b7115sm1938932ybf.60.2023.04.15.16.20.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-f179.google.com with SMTP id v9so1860312ybm.0; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:cc54:0:b0:b92:3962:13d4 with SMTP id l81-20020a25cc54000000b00b92396213d4mr1210677ybf.11.1681600835892; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 16:20:35 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 01:20:22 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: bhyve and firewall / bridge filtering To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.219.179:received,2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2e:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzTnd6Tjbz3QBw X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hello world :-) I think that Handbook could be updated with small but important information on how to best unfilter networking on a bhyve host where firewall is in place. This is not that obvious at first and the simplest idea to test is to disable host firewall. That helps but also leaves host machine vulnerable. I have found a solution on the FreeBSD Forums [1] and proposed "vm" man page update [2]. If anyone experienced could verify is this is the best solution, please let me know, this could be also added to the Handbook :-) Thanks :-) Tomek === If a host that runs virtual machine has active firewall then bridge filtering needs to be disabled by adding following lines to loader.conf(5) or sysctl.conf(5): net.link.bridge.ipfw=0 net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge=0 net.link.bridge.pfil_member=0 You can also disable bridge packet filtering at runtime with sysctl(8): # sysctl net.link.bridge.ipfw=0 # sysctl net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge=0 # sysctl net.link.bridge.pfil_member=0 === [1] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-and-firewall-on-host.75089/ [2] https://github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve/pull/510 -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Sun Apr 16 01:50:41 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzY6s6mPCz45WSB for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 01:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "discoveriesinwood.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzY6s1F9Nz4XlL for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 01:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [192.168.151.122] (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 33G1ofKG001109; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <5793cdd5-c365-7769-49e9-366cb367a8a0@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:50:41 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.0 Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: frequent disk error, need guidance Content-Language: en-US To: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20230415204721.DD803BF2E2EA@ary.qy> From: Gary Aitken In-Reply-To: <20230415204721.DD803BF2E2EA@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:50:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzY6s1F9Nz4XlL X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/15/23 13:47, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Gary Aitken said: >> of fbsd in such cases), wanted to see if the following is a good way >> to copy the old disk to the new one. >> >> mount /dev/ada1p2 /mnt/newsys >> cd /mnt/newsys >> dump -0 -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f - >> >> However... this is a running system, which seems unlikely to produce >> a consistent result. > > I'd shut down to single user, make a /.snap directory, and do dump -L > to tell it to make a snapshot before dumping. That should work OK. Thanks. (Needed to mount /tmp read-write) The -L didn't work because boot -s mounted the filesystem read-only; at least that's what it claimed: dump -0 -L -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f - Verify tape and initialize maps DUMP: WARNING: -L ignored for read-only filesystem Not sure I understand that; does -s normally start in read-only mode? Has it always done that? It's been quite a while since I did that. In any case, I let the dump|restore go through, and it seems to have been successful. Booted into the restored system and running it now; smartctl short test ok and doing long now. It looks like the bad blocks/sectors were files in /var/db/freebsd-update/files/xxx.gz I unzipped a file in that directory and it appears that they are the saved files from the old system when upgrading. Is that correct? Any reason not to remove all files in /var/db/freebsd-update/files since the upgraded to 12.x system has been running for several months now? Thanks, Gary From nobody Sun Apr 16 02:13:47 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzYdW1tN5z45Y7N for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 02:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzYdV5fCrz3sKj for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 02:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 54562 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2023 02:13:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=d51d.643b59dd.k2304; bh=JPN1PwuVAdfGY3PMSoWyorIxQrF2ahN9JmC6ngi4yOk=; b=M9cohVvRiVZTKWSUBSTsNADSZWx5zgVptmE2Wt9a7JIPQB2nlc5aNNyLhrKZgeq89mIRGRVGGF8Kp7Q2Rp07ylws5NzF0IgymXhKCzkIFLxXuoT/BTObOeWQwJ0cBL2ROwmxH3SESP0HQaV1i+1WQP7eGtjLTMQJazVFQBInErGOQUeG2RLGvMNPil0Xm57nwH6rSiTcv6aJdmlq8xJn/7gtoW4dE0ZRHQGOhya/Kvb4l6iTmWe05lw6sDcZDqE0Ueesq/p50/ftQfY7/5SRoxO9A3Z4CDMDpzYF7zxCa2PuOHPYW3/uP50nBnEHQswAAn0Vzqj2ZcQPvOnwf06BXQ== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 16 Apr 2023 02:13:49 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 34D6BBF30550; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 22:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id C885CBF30532; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 22:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: 15 Apr 2023 22:13:47 -0400 Message-ID: <0baa336e-171d-081a-0f59-a2a165f4517d@iecc.com> From: "John R. Levine" To: "Gary Aitken" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.qy Subject: Re: frequent disk error, need guidance In-Reply-To: <5793cdd5-c365-7769-49e9-366cb367a8a0@dreamchaser.org> References: <20230415204721.DD803BF2E2EA@ary.qy> <5793cdd5-c365-7769-49e9-366cb367a8a0@dreamchaser.org> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzYdV5fCrz3sKj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N >> I'd shut down to single user, make a /.snap directory, and do dump -L >> to tell it to make a snapshot before dumping. That should work OK. > > Thanks. > (Needed to mount /tmp read-write) > The -L didn't work because boot -s mounted the filesystem read-only; > at least that's what it claimed: > > dump -0 -L -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f - > Verify tape and initialize maps > DUMP: WARNING: -L ignored for read-only filesystem > > Not sure I understand that; > does -s normally start in read-only mode? > Has it always done that? It's been quite a while since I did that. Don't remember, but if the filesystem is read-only, that's even better than -L because you know it won't change at all. > It looks like the bad blocks/sectors were files in > /var/db/freebsd-update/files/xxx.gz > I unzipped a file in that directory and it appears that they are the > saved files from the old system when upgrading. Is that correct? > Any reason not to remove all files in > /var/db/freebsd-update/files > since the upgraded to 12.x system has been running for several months > now? I think that should be OK too. 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In my humble opinion Docker can run on FreeBSD. For sure,not using the same technology that it uses on Linux. By way of introduction, I have been a BSD user before it ever existed in any form on x86 machinery, starting with Sun workstations and a variety of machinery thereafter. My first version of FreeBSD was 1.0 and I have also done Linux platform engineering approaching 20 years now. Finally, I have lead teams to deliver Kubernetes/Docker implementation for a $1 Billion US commercial interest. I have stayed out of this mostly because I hate listening to internet "experts" running Linux on their RPis who think they are 1st class systems engineers. Also, I generally try to be nice. But some of the commentary here show a lack fundamental clarity about what docker is, how it is implemented, and why it is used. So, lets see if we can shine some light on this: 1. Docker is many things. It is a virtually private filespace running over a common Linux kernel. In this regard, it's basically a high- class version of chroot. And this COULD be reimplemented notionally on FreeBSD. That's roughly what jails do as I recall. 2. Trying to run docker binaries on a FreeBSD kernel might be a good science experiment but it would likely be inefficient and unstable without a ton of work because the kernel architectures of FreeBSD and Linux are fundamentally different. There are potentially ways to do this - say running FreeBSD and Linux kernels as Mach servers and then writing a bunch of userland glue to make it look like docker is running on FreeBSD. But it is a nonsensical idea. It's doesn't solve a problem that needs fixing. 3. But docker is far more than this, as the term is normally used. It is an entire ecosystem built in layers on top of core containerization. Among these include Kubernetes, Swarm, and Anthos/Istio just for starters. Then there's all the third party tooling to deploy an manage microservices written using these various systems. These aren't toys or some hobby hackery, they are commercial grade bet-your-business capabilities that aren't going to run on some cross-OS experiment. They represent likely 100s of thousands of man hours of work and 10s of millions in expenditure and that's not going to get replicated on a volunteer basis anytime soon. 4. You're not going to see docker on FreeBSD in any meaningful way because it's not worth doing and doesn't solve a significant problem begging to get fixed. 5. Professionals use all the tools in the toolbox when/as they make sense. FreeBSD and Linux coexist happily in some of the biggest data centers in the world. There are commercial NAS products written in FreeBSD, for instance, that are plugged into networks running hundreds or even thousands of Linux servers. The point is, you don't have to choose one, you can choose both. 6. But if you want to have a go at this, here's a way to get started. - Write a userland abstraction for FreeBSD that looks, feels, and runs like native docker. - Build *reliable and self annealing* IPCs between that abstraction and an actual Linux machine which is truly running docker. Make sure it isn't noticeably slower than just running straight on Linux. - When you have this done, you will have given FreeBSD users the docker experience you claim is desperately needed. - Now all you have to do is port Kubernetes, Swarm, and Isto/Anthos over to get the world to come to FreeBSD. Good luck ... 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FreeBSD's market cap or share price doesn't seem to be a factor here so what is the motivation? I have used FreeBSD since 4.11, skipped a few releases and am currently running 12.4 in a VM on an iMac. So virtualization isn't a foreign concept though I know VirtualBox isn't Docker, anymore than Linux is FreeBSD or MacOS. It sounds to me like OP should fork FreeBSD into DockerBSD and see how the uptake is there. Does Docker need to run on FreeBSD? Is there some deficiency that FreeBSD can address? Or is this some effort to increase FreeBSD's "mindshare" in the marketplace? I think anyone with any tech smarts knows FreeBSD exists (as well as OpenBSD and NetBSD), just as IT directors know macOS exists even as they sign a PO for more WIndows licenses. But if Linux works with Docker and the tech staff understand Docker and Linux, why would they want Docker on FreeBSD? In short, as I saw in an email .sig back when I worked hands on in tech,=E2=80=A6are you trying to win an argument or solve a problem? On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 8:01=E2=80=AFPM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 4/12/23 08:38, Mario Marietto wrote: > > ---> Docker will NEVER run on FreeBSD, because Docker is built on > technologies which only exist in the Linux kernel. > > > > I don't agree with this. In my humble opinion Docker can run on FreeBSD= . > For sure,not using the same technology that it uses on Linux. > > By way of introduction, I have been a BSD user before it ever existed > in any form on x86 machinery, starting with Sun workstations and a variet= y > of machinery thereafter. My first version of FreeBSD was 1.0 and I have > also > done Linux platform engineering approaching 20 years now. Finally, I > have lead teams to deliver Kubernetes/Docker implementation for a > $1 Billion US commercial interest. > > I have stayed out of this mostly because I hate listening to internet > "experts" running Linux on their RPis who think they are 1st class > systems engineers. Also, I generally try to be nice. But some of the > commentary here show a lack fundamental clarity about what docker > is, how it is implemented, and why it is used. So, lets see if we can > shine some light on this: > > 1. Docker is many things. It is a virtually private filespace running ov= er > a common Linux kernel. In this regard, it's basically a high- > class version of chroot. And this COULD be reimplemented > notionally on FreeBSD. That's roughly what jails do as I recall. > > 2. Trying to run docker binaries on a FreeBSD kernel might be > a good science experiment but it would likely be inefficient > and unstable without a ton of work because the kernel > architectures of FreeBSD and Linux are fundamentally different. > > There are potentially ways to do this - say running FreeBSD and > Linux kernels as Mach servers and then writing a bunch of > userland glue to make it look like docker is running on FreeBSD. > But it is a nonsensical idea. It's doesn't solve a problem > that needs fixing. > > 3. But docker is far more than this, as the term is normally used. > It is an entire ecosystem built in layers on top of core > containerization. Among these include Kubernetes, Swarm, and > Anthos/Istio just for starters. Then there's all the third party > tooling to deploy an manage microservices written using these > various systems. > > These aren't toys or some hobby hackery, they are commercial grade > bet-your-business capabilities that aren't going to run on some > cross-OS experiment. They represent likely 100s of thousands of man > hours > of work and 10s of millions in expenditure and that's not going to > get replicated on a volunteer basis anytime soon. > > 4. You're not going to see docker on FreeBSD in any meaningful way becaus= e > it's not worth doing and doesn't solve a significant problem begging > to get fixed. > > 5. Professionals use all the tools in the toolbox when/as > they make sense. FreeBSD and Linux coexist happily in some of the > biggest data centers in the world. There are commercial NAS > products written in FreeBSD, for instance, that are plugged into > networks running hundreds or even thousands of Linux servers. > The point is, you don't have to choose one, you can choose both. > > 6. But if you want to have a go at this, here's a way to get started. > > - Write a userland abstraction for FreeBSD that looks, feels, and > runs like native docker. > > - Build *reliable and self annealing* IPCs between that abstraction > and an actual Linux machine which is truly running docker. Make > sure it isn't noticeably slower than just running straight on > Linux. > > - When you have this done, you will have given FreeBSD users the > docker experience you claim is desperately needed. > > - Now all you have to do is port Kubernetes, Swarm, and Isto/Anthos > over to get the world to come to FreeBSD. Good luck ... > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000005d8f4e05f96bc7f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't read every message in this thread but I have= read enough to wonder, what problem are you trying to solve, OP? FreeBSD&#= 39;s market cap or share price doesn't seem to be a factor here so what= is the motivation? I have used FreeBSD since 4.11, skipped a few releases = and am currently running 12.4 in a VM on an iMac. So virtualization=C2=A0is= n't a foreign concept though I know VirtualBox isn't Docker, anymor= e than Linux is FreeBSD or MacOS.=C2=A0

It sounds to me like O= P should fork FreeBSD into DockerBSD and see how the uptake is there. Does = Docker need to run on FreeBSD? Is there some deficiency that FreeBSD can ad= dress? Or is this some effort to increase=C2=A0FreeBSD's "mindshar= e" in the marketplace? I think anyone with any tech smarts knows FreeB= SD exists (as well as OpenBSD and NetBSD), just as IT directors know macOS = exists even as they sign a PO for more WIndows licenses. But if Linux works= with Docker and the tech staff understand Docker and Linux, why would they= want Docker on FreeBSD?=C2=A0

In short, as I saw = in an email .sig back when I worked hands on in tech,=E2=80=A6are you tryin= g to win an argument or solve a problem?=C2=A0


On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 8:01=E2=80=AFPM Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
On 4/12/23 08:38, Mario Marietto wrote:
> ---> Docker will NEVER run on FreeBSD, because Docker is built on t= echnologies which only exist in the Linux kernel.
>
> I don't agree with this. In my humble opinion Docker can run on Fr= eeBSD. For sure,not using the same technology that it uses on Linux.

By way of introduction, I have been a BSD user before it ever existed
in any form on x86 machinery, starting with Sun workstations and a variety<= br> of machinery thereafter. My first version of FreeBSD was 1.0 and I have als= o
done Linux platform engineering approaching 20 years now.=C2=A0 Finally, I<= br> have lead teams to deliver Kubernetes/Docker implementation for a
$1 Billion US commercial interest.

I have stayed out of this mostly because I hate listening to internet
"experts" running Linux on their RPis who think they are 1st clas= s
systems engineers.=C2=A0 Also, I generally try to be nice.=C2=A0 But some o= f the
commentary here show a lack fundamental clarity about what docker
is, how it is implemented, and why it is used.=C2=A0 So, lets see if we can=
shine some light on this:

1. Docker is many things.=C2=A0 It is a virtually private filespace running= over
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a common Linux kernel.=C2=A0 In this regard, it's basical= ly a high-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 class version of chroot.=C2=A0 And this COULD be reimplemente= d
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 notionally on FreeBSD.=C2=A0 That's roughly what jails do= as I recall.

2. Trying to run docker binaries on a FreeBSD kernel might be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a good science experiment but it would likely be inefficient<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and unstable without a ton of work because the kernel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 architectures of FreeBSD and Linux are fundamentally differen= t.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are potentially ways to do this - say running FreeBSD a= nd
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Linux kernels as Mach servers and then writing a bunch of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 userland glue to make it look like docker is running on FreeB= SD.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But it is a nonsensical idea.=C2=A0 It's doesn't solv= e a problem
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that needs fixing.

3. But docker is far more than this, as the term is normally used.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It is an entire ecosystem built in layers on top of core
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 containerization. Among these include Kubernetes, Swarm, and<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anthos/Istio just for starters.=C2=A0 Then there's all th= e third party
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 tooling to deploy an manage microservices written using these=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 various systems.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 These aren't toys or some hobby hackery, they are commerc= ial grade
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bet-your-business capabilities that aren't going to run o= n some
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cross-OS experiment.=C2=A0 They represent likely 100s of thou= sands of man hours
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of work and 10s of millions in expenditure and that's not= going to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 get replicated on a volunteer basis anytime soon.

4. You're not going to see docker on FreeBSD in any meaningful way beca= use
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 it's not worth doing and doesn't solve a significant = problem begging
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to get fixed.

5. Professionals use all the tools in the toolbox when/as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 they make sense.=C2=A0 FreeBSD and Linux coexist happily in s= ome of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 biggest data centers in the world.=C2=A0 There are commercial= NAS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 products written in FreeBSD, for instance, that are plugged i= nto
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 networks running hundreds or even thousands of Linux servers.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The point is, you don't have to choose one, you can choos= e both.

6. But if you want to have a go at this, here's a way to get started.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 Write a userland abstraction for FreeBSD that looks, = feels, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0runs like native docker.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 Build *reliable and self annealing* IPCs between that= abstraction
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and an actual Linux machine which is truly runni= ng docker.=C2=A0 Make
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sure it isn't noticeably slower than just ru= nning straight on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Linux.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 When you have this done, you will have given FreeBSD = users the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0docker experience you claim is desperately neede= d.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Now all you have to do is port Kubernetes, Swarm, and Isto/= Anthos
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 over to get the world to come to FreeBSD.=C2=A0 Good l= uck ...



--
Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pzcm428X5z3Kpb X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/15/23 22:00, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 4/12/23 08:38, Mario Marietto wrote: >> ---> Docker will NEVER run on FreeBSD, because Docker is built on technologies which only exist in the Linux kernel. >> >> I don't agree with this. In my humble opinion Docker can run on FreeBSD. For sure,not using the same technology that it uses on Linux. > > By way of introduction, I have been a BSD user before it ever existed I forgot to mention the most obvious thing here. If your REALLY want to run docker on FreeBSD, get a Mac. The kernel is derived from FreeBSD 4.x and there are "native" docker implementations available for that OS ... well, sort of. In order to make it work, they have to run a linux kernel behind the scenes. But this illustrates why cross-OS docker implementations are terrible. Thought it's getting better, that implementation is dreadfully slow, particularly with file I/O. I forget the detail now, but running docker natively in a VM running on OSX was something like 6x faster on file I/O than the "native" OSX docker implementation. From nobody Sun Apr 16 08:14:36 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzjfC3Q55z44sZH for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzjfB1HBmz3sDD for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=grGBIUsG; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Pzjf82pHlzDr97 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:14:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1681632896; bh=dc8EFOohMy1LwL0Pq8QHBYC+MOba1QHLSci2g3aooK0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=grGBIUsG0YvX9h2MaI4nHdkB+C5sFsArfFj1NQJ0L+7DcuDJZNdqjicpkJwDDlfIH lndoxRrt7TR0Tb+0wnGnFJBLV440Aje6hp0d/ZfWi4f+mVblqHAIMoq5TDLuNInyGg xOVvdOCnxajrxpgXhGk8K4P+koAw6qN8csqLuJSs= X-Riseup-User-ID: B0992C2D42967DFFA63C63FBC5D932FD8B699162FF11E066805CAA2C3BD91A55 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Pzjdw5Pr3zJqZq for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9efb1204ede36008eb1bc83b6048d9c41ea2ab86.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: Docker From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 10:14:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.19 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzjfB1HBmz3sDD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 22:00 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > Docker is many things.=C2=A0 It is a virtually private filespace running = over > a common Linux kernel.=C2=A0 In this regard, it's basically a high- > class version of chroot. Used with=C2=A0intellect and application-related I like Linux, chroot, systemd-nspawn and hypervisors a lot. However, the countless container approaches flooding linux are just odd workarounds in order not to have to deal with fundamental things that would have to be changed. At some point adding a layer above a layer above a layer above layer becomes pure madness. 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charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:29:10 BST Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 4/15/23 18:25, Mike Clarke wrote: > > After upgrading packages to the the new quarterly release mysql was > > upgraded to 8.0.32 and it fails to start and does not produce any > > failure message on the console and I couldn't find any relevant failure > > message anywhere in /var/logs. > > What's in /var/db/mysql/{hostname}.err? > > bye > av. Here's the results for mysql8 ######################################################## 2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/db/mysql/curlew.err'. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/ db/mysql 2023-04-16T08:47:33.068413Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010140] [Server] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929) 2023-04-16T08:47:33.068419Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010142] [Server] Changed limits: table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384) 2023-04-16T08:47:33.256168Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.257337Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.32) starting as process 6221 2023-04-16T08:47:33.284373Z 1 [System] [MY-011012] [Server] Starting upgrade of data directory. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.284397Z 1 [System] [MY-013576] [InnoDB] InnoDB initialization has started. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.375843Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-012263] [InnoDB] The Auto-extending innodb_system data file '/var/db/mysql/ibdata1' is of a different size 5248 pages (rounded down to MB) than specified in the .cnf file: initial 8192 pages, max 0 (relevant if non-zero) pages! 2023-04-16T08:47:33.375885Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-012960] [InnoDB] Cannot create redo log files because data files are corrupt or the database was not shut down cleanly after creating the data files. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.376512Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-011013] [Server] Failed to initialize DD Storage Engine. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.376689Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010020] [Server] Data Dictionary initialization failed. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.376712Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010119] [Server] Aborting 2023-04-16T08:47:33.378196Z 0 [System] [MY-010910] [Server] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete (mysqld 8.0.32) Source distribution. 2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/db/mysql/curlew.pid ended ######################################################## And for comparison a successful run with mysql5 Both attempts were using the same /var/db/mysql directory, just running from different BEs ######################################################## 2023-04-16T08:55:27.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/db/mysql/curlew.err'. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/ db/mysql 2023-04-16T08:55:27.086768Z 0 [Warning] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929) 2023-04-16T08:55:27.086994Z 0 [Warning] Changed limits: table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384) 2023-04-16T08:55:27.230557Z 0 [Warning] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.230570Z 0 [Warning] 'NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER' sql mode was not set. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.232719Z 0 [Note] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 5.7.40-log) starting as process 2549 ... 2023-04-16T08:55:27.260268Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins 2023-04-16T08:55:27.260300Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Uses event mutexes 2023-04-16T08:55:27.260306Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: GCC builtin __atomic_thread_fence() is used for memory barrier 2023-04-16T08:55:27.260310Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.12 2023-04-16T08:55:27.261017Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Number of pools: 1 2023-04-16T08:55:27.263020Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Using CPU crc32 instructions 2023-04-16T08:55:27.264182Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, total size = 1G, instances = 8, chunk size = 128M 2023-04-16T08:55:27.345406Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool 2023-04-16T08:55:27.358251Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Highest supported file format is Barracuda. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.400071Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Creating shared tablespace for temporary tables 2023-04-16T08:55:27.400147Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Setting file '/var/db/mysql/ibtmp1' size to 128 MB. Physically writing the file full; Please wait ... 2023-04-16T08:55:27.400513Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Progress in MB: 100 2023-04-16T08:55:27.431472Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: File '/var/db/mysql/ibtmp1' size is now 128 MB. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.432024Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 96 redo rollback segment(s) found. 96 redo rollback segment(s) are active. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.432035Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 32 non-redo rollback segment(s) are active. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.432315Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Waiting for purge to start 2023-04-16T08:55:27.485973Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 5.7.40 started; log sequence number 22374147655 2023-04-16T08:55:27.486178Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Loading buffer pool(s) from /var/db/ mysql/ib_buffer_pool 2023-04-16T08:55:27.487254Z 0 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. 2023-04-16T08:55:27.496762Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Buffer pool(s) load completed at 230416 9:55:27 2023-04-16T08:55:27.497845Z 0 [Note] Found ca.pem, server-cert.pem and server-key.pem in data directory. 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On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:29:10 BST Andrea Venturoli wrote:

> On 4/15/23 18:25, Mike Clarke wrote:

> > After upgrading packages to the the new quarterly release mysql was

> > upgraded to 8.0.32 and it fails to start and does not produce any

> > failure message on the console and I couldn't find any relevant failure

> > message anywhere in /var/logs.

>

> What's in /var/db/mysql/{hostname}.err?

>

>   bye

>     av.


Here's the results for mysql8


########################################################


2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/db/mysql/curlew.err'.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/db/mysql

2023-04-16T08:47:33.068413Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010140] [Server] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929)

2023-04-16T08:47:33.068419Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010142] [Server] Changed limits: table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384)

2023-04-16T08:47:33.256168Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.257337Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.32) starting as process 6221

2023-04-16T08:47:33.284373Z 1 [System] [MY-011012] [Server] Starting upgrade of data directory.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.284397Z 1 [System] [MY-013576] [InnoDB] InnoDB initialization has started.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.375843Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-012263] [InnoDB] The Auto-extending innodb_system data file '/var/db/mysql/ibdata1' is of a different size 5248 pages (rounded down to MB) than specified in the .cnf file: initial 8192 pages, max 0 (relevant if non-zero) pages!

2023-04-16T08:47:33.375885Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-012960] [InnoDB] Cannot create redo log files because data files are corrupt or the database was not shut down cleanly after creating the data files.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.376512Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-011013] [Server] Failed to initialize DD Storage Engine.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.376689Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010020] [Server] Data Dictionary initialization failed.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.376712Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010119] [Server] Aborting

2023-04-16T08:47:33.378196Z 0 [System] [MY-010910] [Server] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete (mysqld 8.0.32)  Source distribution.

2023-04-16T08:47:33.6NZ mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/db/mysql/curlew.pid ended


########################################################


And for comparison a successful run with mysql5

Both attempts were using the same /var/db/mysql directory, just running from different BEs


########################################################


2023-04-16T08:55:27.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/db/mysql/curlew.err'.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/db/mysql

2023-04-16T08:55:27.086768Z 0 [Warning] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929)

2023-04-16T08:55:27.086994Z 0 [Warning] Changed limits: table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384)

2023-04-16T08:55:27.230557Z 0 [Warning] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.230570Z 0 [Warning] 'NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER' sql mode was not set.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.232719Z 0 [Note] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 5.7.40-log) starting as process 2549 ...

2023-04-16T08:55:27.260268Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins

2023-04-16T08:55:27.260300Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Uses event mutexes

2023-04-16T08:55:27.260306Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: GCC builtin __atomic_thread_fence() is used for memory barrier

2023-04-16T08:55:27.260310Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.12

2023-04-16T08:55:27.261017Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Number of pools: 1

2023-04-16T08:55:27.263020Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Using CPU crc32 instructions

2023-04-16T08:55:27.264182Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, total size = 1G, instances = 8, chunk size = 128M

2023-04-16T08:55:27.345406Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool

2023-04-16T08:55:27.358251Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Highest supported file format is Barracuda.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.400071Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Creating shared tablespace for temporary tables

2023-04-16T08:55:27.400147Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Setting file '/var/db/mysql/ibtmp1' size to 128 MB. Physically writing the file full; Please wait ...

2023-04-16T08:55:27.400513Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Progress in MB:

 100

2023-04-16T08:55:27.431472Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: File '/var/db/mysql/ibtmp1' size is now 128 MB.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.432024Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 96 redo rollback segment(s) found. 96 redo rollback segment(s) are active.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.432035Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 32 non-redo rollback segment(s) are active.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.432315Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Waiting for purge to start

2023-04-16T08:55:27.485973Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: 5.7.40 started; log sequence number 22374147655

2023-04-16T08:55:27.486178Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Loading buffer pool(s) from /var/db/mysql/ib_buffer_pool

2023-04-16T08:55:27.487254Z 0 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.496762Z 0 [Note] InnoDB: Buffer pool(s) load completed at 230416  9:55:27

2023-04-16T08:55:27.497845Z 0 [Note] Found ca.pem, server-cert.pem and server-key.pem in data directory. Trying to enable SSL support using them.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.497858Z 0 [Note] Skipping generation of SSL certificates as certificate files are present in data directory.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.497863Z 0 [Warning] A deprecated TLS version TLSv1 is enabled. Please use TLSv1.2 or higher.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.497867Z 0 [Warning] A deprecated TLS version TLSv1.1 is enabled. Please use TLSv1.2 or higher.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.499114Z 0 [Warning] CA certificate ca.pem is self signed.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.499288Z 0 [Note] Skipping generation of RSA key pair as key files are present in data directory.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.499630Z 0 [Note] Server hostname (bind-address): '127.0.0.1'; port: 3306

2023-04-16T08:55:27.499655Z 0 [Note]   - '127.0.0.1' resolves to '127.0.0.1';

2023-04-16T08:55:27.499678Z 0 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '127.0.0.1'.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.508953Z 0 [Note] Failed to start slave threads for channel ''

2023-04-16T08:55:27.526325Z 0 [Warning] Optional native table 'performance_schema'.'processlist' has the wrong structure or is missing.

2023-04-16T08:55:27.526935Z 0 [Note] Event Scheduler: Loaded 0 events

2023-04-16T08:55:27.527032Z 0 [Note] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections.

Version: '5.7.40-log'  socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock'  port: 3306  Source distribution


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--

Mike Clarke

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charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:48:40 BST Daniel Dowse wrote: > I was facing similar problems when upgrading MySQL 5.7.x to MySQL 8.x > stalling with no error message from the mysql daemon or system. I fixed it > by upgrading my VM to 8GB System RAM. I had this issue first with Hetzer= =E2=80=99s > Cloud Infra and later I could reproduce the issue in my local environment > with (bhyve,VirtualBox) VMs with less then 8GB RAM using FreeBSD 12.x, > FreeBSD 13.x with MySQL 8.x from packages. >=20 > So I would suggest to upgrade the RAM of your Server/VM and repeat the > upgrade procedure of MySQL. Thanks for the suggestion but I have 16GB here and not running in a VM so s= houldn't=20 be the cause of the problem. =2D-=20 Mike Clarke --nextPart2338452.bDOn7JOVgO Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"

On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:48:40 BST Daniel Dowse wrote:

>= ; I was facing similar problems when upgrading MySQL 5.7.x to MySQL 8.x

>= ; stalling with no error message from the mysql daemon or system. I fixed i= t

>= ; by upgrading my VM to 8GB System RAM. I had this issue first with Hetzer= =E2=80=99s

>= ; Cloud Infra and later I could reproduce the issue in my local environment=

>= ; with (bhyve,VirtualBox) VMs with less then 8GB RAM using FreeBSD 12.x,

>= ; FreeBSD 13.x with MySQL 8.x from packages.

>= ;

>= ; So I would suggest to upgrade the RAM of your Server/VM and repeat the

>= ; upgrade procedure of MySQL.


Thanks for the suggestion but I have 16GB here and not running in a VM s= o shouldn't be the cause of the problem.


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--nextPart2338452.bDOn7JOVgO-- From nobody Sun Apr 16 10:33:54 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Pzmkg4jwlz455bQ for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 10:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Pzmkf3CWxz3G92 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 10:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=n5NB6iSQ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lumiwa@dismail.de designates 78.46.223.134 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lumiwa@dismail.de; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3f4f8b6e for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:33:59 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=dismail.de; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=20190914; bh=e75am1MAgeTU/wve3XXPR 5btHGzQ5jD7Z2WueZXTPKE=; b=n5NB6iSQMlhHehAezhfkNN9CCLmxFh71bHdxk jHZCx2zD1hzYxkHJeEkUcbPDtR5f0kS6zvdilEgrgWFyucn8qtXnFeWsYJvMM7iJ gzb0u7YCU2own5eEYsAZZpqOKR776YHhfpskmpoT9DCN5fvWHa5+EaMvjbVYiUrf Ugj0UMhGxgp9VYZYELiwBKwPTHbykCEx84i8Ue8yYqPmGgfn3lvkymVTRBlq6QdF JbF+Nkq399FLinp6TjvxkVYptmUXt07rjJI66/PRREtYRnQ8pHKg3y0EpBCn+4mb olGfOAJbjSxZaqhIR4XW+qDDKpirccm9HQC6iyuYaH+c/fTSw== Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6549d4ff for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1106edfc for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 44864229 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:33:54 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: freebsd-update upgrade Message-ID: <20230416063354.08d6b811@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.46.223.134:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pzmkf3CWxz3G92 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi! I did upgrade FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE to version 13.2 and everything was smooth and it works but today I ran lsof and I got: lsof: WARNING: compiled for FreeBSD release 13.1-RELEASE-p7; this is 13.2-RELEASE. And one question more, please: Is TCP congestion default cubic now? Thank you. --=20 =E2=80=9CIt is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose = so important.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry, The Little Prince=20 From nobody Sun Apr 16 12:26:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzqDv1mGbz45GDr for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzqDt6xTNz49Xw for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4ec816d64afso3786874e87.1 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:26:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681648012; x=1684240012; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=krKX0jvP0hu1DDtLaI3m/RQRr9X0Gf/MmzH8zF2C4e4=; b=T+PmPVAq0DOPAT4UqU8KUzAWFc/Xc9xJgMwEO5LxjbONy6d3rtMvSM3oIoGA/nRBGF /XofDjkaLqHYx0NY/k1RWSc4Ain8ssu2DsgX+Y0lxfgnFJlXDtD/Mr5bFHAaEdoNddRt r4Id+HivPV7cTuagzjNIqENGtasVh6ZewgsRSR5JRmPs/8jb7cMqPmPLxIHLBYL50kEQ jvJixXlTOTZuJ3UXWSmQwM9tbXPqIiGXgyZJL3QoSVIfxsSxSxoMkxAxeNGa/wSbxz92 qiOq0Ec3/iUr80z8YJZIKFk1n4Eo3A6qwHBfWgX4CPhvfzK3smOI9mjCeOZtULhjHEUp tkZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681648012; x=1684240012; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=krKX0jvP0hu1DDtLaI3m/RQRr9X0Gf/MmzH8zF2C4e4=; b=KNysPqG7Y6OUQgeFqWsMkM6mzAsenk6F14y/mqaod/YO/rZyXebwQ3kwEZpTGwxHNJ AkDIIHwyXOd/1RxgbkodzQERJ42ZWttT2VFXWwB01JQxI8/SeHiID1osYIdXYzBQOgfm oHsov3TCOymhSpXFjLNPzUJv5wEDnyAQxGtpGO1OTsCuv9Nabh2jVHgdrvNuinA17KhR axsxj2ZBhYnMxwe/dDoIoEh3iAscA1PPJvmNWCXbLs2Bag2a9F3dEnU9gb2HToUPraiV wddJ7S6ux2YOQsaB4EidaQqWeoJxVoXQTe93i/RhUSRw/QmwUIboAyGXbY20NwFoJsBX mw/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9e5BOEbwcFbdv/iFaB0u/jeo7I0qGDqARO3krqu8Ur5ldCYtf99 zsDAEH7cFEir+8ijuZsUWnEE5RToNy6Shk1Ay0I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350axtLOgCZe4rpMj9q73qtvtimm7B1SBjSOKkOdtGxmjPSJEzaMvpWRyk5KKWajRaI11BN9O2vza72EKsgchDho= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:532c:0:b0:4e9:717a:e60c with SMTP id f12-20020ac2532c000000b004e9717ae60cmr1368453lfh.1.1681648011592; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 05:26:51 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230416063354.08d6b811@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20230416063354.08d6b811@dismail.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:26:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd-update upgrade To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005e491f05f9733016" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzqDt6xTNz49Xw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000005e491f05f9733016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El dom, 16 abr 2023 12:34, LuMiWa escribi=C3=B3: > Hi! > > I did upgrade FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE to version 13.2 and everything was > smooth and it works but today I ran lsof and I got: > > lsof: WARNING: compiled for FreeBSD release 13.1-RELEASE-p7; this is > 13.2-RELEASE. > lsof needs the kernel sources. You probably have a package that was built still for 13.1 and hence the warning. You can rebuild from ports and reinstall the resulting package to get rid of the warning. > And one question more, please: Is TCP congestion default cubic now? > > Thank you. > > -- > =E2=80=9CIt is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your ros= e so > important.=E2=80=9D > > =E2=80=95 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry, The Little Prince > > --0000000000005e491f05f9733016 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


El dom, 16 abr 2023 12:34, LuMiWa <lumiwa@dismail.de> escribi=C3=B3:
Hi!

I did upgrade FreeBSD 13.1-RELEASE to version 13.2 and everything was
smooth and it works but today I ran=C2=A0 lsof and I got:

lsof: WARNING: compiled for FreeBSD release 13.1-RELEASE-p7; this is
13.2-RELEASE.

lsof needs the kernel sources. You probably have a package tha= t was built still for 13.1 and hence the warning. You can rebuild from port= s and reinstall the resulting package to get rid of the warning.


And one question more, please: Is TCP congestion default cubic now?

Thank you.

--
=E2=80=9CIt is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose = so
important.=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=95 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry, The Little Prince

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DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PztlZ6LVPz3R7j X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/16/23 03:14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 22:00 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> Docker is many things.  It is a virtually private filespace running over >> a common Linux kernel.  In this regard, it's basically a high- >> class version of chroot. > > Used with intellect and application-related I like Linux, chroot, > systemd-nspawn and hypervisors a lot. However, the countless container > approaches flooding linux are just odd workarounds in order not to have > to deal with fundamental things that would have to be changed. At some > point adding a layer above a layer above a layer above layer becomes > pure madness. To all intents and purposes, the only thing that matters are docker and Kubernetes (and maybe Swarm). All the rest of it is - at least for the moment - various science experiments that can be ignored for production computing. Docker alone makes a ton of sense for simple/small microservice and deployment problems. I wrote some tooling for this smaller case. See: https://gitbucket.tundraware.com/tundra/dockersand Kubernetes makes a lot of sense when you're running microservices at hundreds- or thousands- scale. But at the scale, you have to find a way to simplify service discovery, observability, a operational integrity. That's what Istio/Anthos sidecars are for. These tools have been proven in very large scale deployments by people like Netflix and Lyft. My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really "layers" such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale. They are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases. 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From nobody Sun Apr 16 15:51:02 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Pzvml12Zzz45Zks for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Pzvmj3Jlxz4GMY for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=OGem9CVW; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (unknown [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Pzvmg38Sqz9sly for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1681660275; bh=o7O7z7rjPs+QcC6avmZ/6SDTII05Ac7E8g9vY09p0HA=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=OGem9CVW+ZuFpSlQ6HYHrGqD1AKJ6t2XH7+MQ69lwumTffxeXsRDyPS+6Iy2Tt+mx WAap2IE4OvtYsdHMEhw0v0nro+T/DD1OhXGs72w7aGE+AJFQlz8o9B99duix/h4gi1 fhIWSj0OHlgyzExzNxJtHxclofFkgosoePlCid94= X-Riseup-User-ID: 0E84F12B26045BF8B42A9724443FAD47C499565E201C3B4C64B2084AC5D48133 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Pzvmf5zxNzFsTT for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <6dabf603dcaea28c2ab3389d13505c70314c0e70.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: Docker From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:51:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6cbc4a9e-bbb0-bedb-2941-9511c4232312@tundraware.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <9efb1204ede36008eb1bc83b6048d9c41ea2ab86.camel@riseup.net> <6cbc4a9e-bbb0-bedb-2941-9511c4232312@tundraware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pzvmj3Jlxz4GMY X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really "layers" > such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale.=C2=A0 They > are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases. Hi, my apologies for my half-knowledge, I was probably a little too biased. I'm that biased since nowadays even Linux packages are often replaced by containers (snap, flatpak etc.). 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DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Pzwl30yszz3hF9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/16/23 10:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really "layers" >> such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale.  They >> are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases. > > Hi, > > my apologies for my half-knowledge, I was probably a little too biased. > I'm that biased since nowadays even Linux packages are often replaced by > containers (snap, flatpak etc.). > > Regards, > Ralf > > You might want to play around with that 'dockersand' tooling I wrote linked in a prior message. It's a pretty painless way to experience docker and has a lot of learning value, I think. From nobody Sun Apr 16 16:40:39 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PzwtP6y7Pz45fZS for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PzwtP1bD4z3lxw for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id n193so993795ybf.12 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681663276; x=1684255276; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=h4LD5qtREHFcuE4YlyjLUvvnigEjHtNE99SI8NPMQ34=; b=ThA/LjlRkL2URSD3l/S7h+LBusvhLpnGB5c+guLI8uCnfMUiKEATRyIltjpXB59ge3 x50T1c3MjzfJuR0MpYiXnGJJ6liOgxtRnOJEqE/vH6KanQ36IVKz8TcQTriytKOEJ1ao hKjGu+kjMwsPoaIB0kxomYg7nzCfQJEwNLoYQl72cABcN0xkaIyarKguRg4X5WV1KCE4 T2UVGfdSnAKL+3robQvVrVel6Xdb/bf+JUAqmY/mj7TIdBFcKi8cjWI8pFpuls6ziDFX e3m+mrxD9bsLMxyPJeYMEj66g119x5cskYBI+hyR/d+rw2VAsT6gKuZdlvXd5CTHG3Ic Yoxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681663276; x=1684255276; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=h4LD5qtREHFcuE4YlyjLUvvnigEjHtNE99SI8NPMQ34=; b=NCpSdHUiLW0KDsaNiRWZwLPAtJorhGCRvPf6FRo2RWToM+H1OdIX+/zRJSkGbexbap FKfjA3FDxouCvdDr4lJmos1rul2dJ0bHNDF73jqqqjRo6pcysfYStStJk/UfD8NTklXz lCjh4/y8ck1AKwygGo1mASNpnfefC9S8oC+jz58X6L9xqPO9n6eq6PueyzbqcSA2utak lfoyB77qE2bU5b1SUIOzLC60j0cCp4Gi8mjiDCqnc/ylxh7zwOtAIkBXYAMC6h4xK6MG 6muFjgLh8qKGIImUmb4WTHWlGMe3DFHu+yIeH/UjoPRrQWJTCpP/Fi5scCekr9jsPxzG ZETA== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9d3y8oxYMyYAACNf7rdDGsSDxwhJcdm9UDDFoMXFwEMe3SCEi8T 6ekmo1phWRNWonCdeCv+75i8bZ/a/AlZyVttgrADIWHfTe74Qw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Zvb/J8e4qNhhqlLmFdHwOe6ilNjXjJ0SZCaCr8sHb/sVONoB1oNNPWH5NcOzP2HDA7lq8vF+zKHDUwx/0r8Rs= X-Received: by 2002:a25:dad2:0:b0:b8f:4696:8fa1 with SMTP id n201-20020a25dad2000000b00b8f46968fa1mr8030740ybf.10.1681663276383; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:41:16 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <8E16D624-2655-4A10-844A-93E4F63E9859@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <078a1cf8-7ae2-c593-615b-f5f37fa2b3eb@timpreston.net> <06be3a1e-9319-1a21-88b9-4f87328ee127@timpreston.net> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <9efb1204ede36008eb1bc83b6048d9c41ea2ab86.camel@riseup.net> <6cbc4a9e-bbb0-bedb-2941-9511c4232312@tundraware.com> <6dabf603dcaea28c2ab3389d13505c70314c0e70.camel@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: From: Mario Marietto Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Docker To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000038834705f976beaf" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PzwtP1bD4z3lxw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000038834705f976beaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure that Docker on freebsd can be implemented using partially the freebsd technology (under the hood) and partially the linux technology (out of the hood,like the syntax of the commands and copying its look and feel,I mean the pleasure of using it. At least I felt this pleasure and looking at how much popular Docker became during the years,I think that a lot of users felt that pleasure. To be honest I think that the jails are a more solid technology than the docker one,but they lack the same immediacy in knowing how to use them and ease of use. On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 4/16/23 10:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >> My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really "layers" > >> such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale. They > >> are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases. > > > > Hi, > > > > my apologies for my half-knowledge, I was probably a little too biased. > > I'm that biased since nowadays even Linux packages are often replaced b= y > > containers (snap, flatpak etc.). > > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > > > > > You might want to play around with that 'dockersand' tooling I wrote > linked in a prior message. It's a pretty painless way to experience > docker and has a lot of learning value, I think. > > --=20 Mario. --00000000000038834705f976beaf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sure that Docker on freebsd can be implemented usi= ng partially the freebsd technology (under the hood) and partially the linu= x technology (out of the hood,like the syntax of the commands and copying i= ts look and feel,I mean the pleasu= re of using it. At least I felt this pleasure and looking at how much popul= ar Docker became during the years,I think that a lot of users felt that ple= asure. To be honest I think that the jails are a more solid technology than= the docker one,but they lack the same immediacy in knowing how to use them and ease of use.


On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 6:35=E2=80=AFPM Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
<= /div>
On 4/16/23 10:51, Ra= lf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 10:04 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>> My point is that these extra pieces of tooling are not really &quo= t;layers"
>> such much as ways to manage running containers at large scale.=C2= =A0 They
>> are not needed or recommend for smaller use cases.
>
> Hi,
>
> my apologies for my half-knowledge, I was probably a little too biased= .
> I'm that biased since nowadays even Linux packages are often repla= ced by
> containers (snap, flatpak etc.).
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>

You might want to play around with that 'dockersand' tooling I wrot= e
linked in a prior message.=C2=A0 It's a pretty painless way to experien= ce
docker and has a lot of learning value, I think.



--
Mario.
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As I've said already, this exists already on MacOS and it's not great. But since you are sure this can be done, I'd encourage you to try doing it. I doubt it will lead to much, but you will find the process instructive and better understand why most of us here keep saying it's a solution to a non-problem. 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On 16/04/2023 13:26, Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa wrote:

=E2=80=A6

lsof needs the kernel sources. You probably have a package that was built still for 13.1 and hence the warning. You can rebuild from ports and reinstall the resulting package to get rid of the warning.


Thanks, incidentally it seems (at a glance) that lsof runs OK despite the warning.

An example (condensed):

root@fuji:~ # lsof
lsof: WARNING: compiled = for FreeBSD release 13.1-RELEASE-p5; this is 13.2-RELEASE.
COMMAND PID USER FD = TYPE DEVIC= E SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
kernel 0 root cwd = VDIR 856136346,1537793548 26 / (fuji/ROOT/13.1-RELEASE= -p7_2023-03-19_154504)
k= ernel 0 root VDIR 856136346,1537793548 26 4 / (fuji/ROOT/13.1-RELEASE-p7_2023-03-19_154504)
init 1 <= /span>root txt VREG 856136346,1537793548 1238024 1016754 /sbin/init (fuji/ROOT/13.1-RELEASE-p7_2023-03-19_154504)
=E2=80=A6
lsof 3407 root 4r VCHR= 0,36 0xfffff8004c396090 36 /de= v/kmem (devfs)
lsof: /root/.lsof_fuji <= /span>was updated.
= root@fuji:~

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[209.85.128.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cj2-20020a05690c0b0200b00545f7c7cc8csm2627324ywb.93.2023.04.16.12.15.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-54fb615ac3dso185299197b3.2; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a81:ae1a:0:b0:545:5b2c:4bf6 with SMTP id m26-20020a81ae1a000000b005455b2c4bf6mr7898458ywh.7.1681672534013; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:15:34 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230416063354.08d6b811@dismail.de> <3332e024-2f0d-54fb-1178-5cacdca9c1b9@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <3332e024-2f0d-54fb-1178-5cacdca9c1b9@freebsd.org> From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:15:22 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: lsof-4.97.0,8 on 13.2-RELEASE (was: freebsd-update upgrade) To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000004be6d05f978e61a" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q00JS1qs2z4PXY X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000004be6d05f978e61a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" yes all works fine, i have switched to 13.2 some days ago, packages are still built on 13.1 machine. only some ports that contain kernel modules needs to be compiled from ports and locked with pkg lock :-) i only had problem with virtual box but i have finally moved to vm and i am happy bhyve user now :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --00000000000004be6d05f978e61a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes all works fine, i have switched to 13.2 some days ago= , packages are still built on 13.1 machine.

only some ports that contain kernel modules needs to be compi= led from ports and locked with pkg lock :-)

i only had problem with virtual box but i have finally = moved to vm and i am happy bhyve user now :-)

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CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
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--00000000000004be6d05f978e61a-- From nobody Sun Apr 16 22:30:56 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q04f963BJz44prw for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Q04f91S7zz4Q8x; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id k39so2161836ybj.8; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681684272; x=1684276272; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IWuzsy7avDVS4WbOwrkaum97jQNhnDjeU8+yoHWzNP4=; b=UYdUdJMNWb/JZCNC4N9UB7bypNqbhpqMzYUD23dO/CzUJVHYrPm/QNUWzgI7VN77MP yuaZtDQI2A1llDw6JmTW42/YwaVQHblTYhFcWqh2s12T7Fo/h/YG8u98JPgM3Ck/zkAg rk0/kgKBsqPLPY/1tRKH5ef4I7jx/dyx5knTw+13Y2wlQOOQr4CwDCh8AXDSLFdrMcxm /SPb31DzcdFN6gZ8tDi2igVufj2VVFZWCse9WljOA00RbxtaVSnayqFon83E/N+r0pBB V9KBRDv5IfdbeF4Xso22ZTyNRJxYz2xmsxwGlJ7dj8fQh8Q8hhRznFmDFizjA4nK0avJ NGhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681684272; x=1684276272; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=IWuzsy7avDVS4WbOwrkaum97jQNhnDjeU8+yoHWzNP4=; b=RpNdkib9APf6fORVtzJjGbxbl673KPdn9zG3wfdiiQu+Au8D1MkxCnI8QmQfDOWjJd jYyl56mqGFAeEtKE3LYfy5Xvpz8/4ZmZSAsnLbwIq/zMpMraSmxFf7fVBI202+RCy+jU XBr7Sn5UH4i3ZM+uuYz6Z9B/f0rdaCHxLaHCtZDSGjyb8c1VMA9Gu4FiLmkPKpBYbRQh 1fV/fys9uN7pG0aPf5jPCd5SJJni0RroOVWFpj/Y9SEHt2cJofjYhubiCuKfmWJFj+qc WNMVSDm/MzFEXlQ1Sd/8n6/6ioMJqVmPeqGuOVDcZJ+cUNYINSwgAeli8x2vtDTzojyU 60Bw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cTCLLqZbz55BvF5ku7r1qhpPRBmBu8skDzmJGr61ET4Ocr7dbk KKjOqaESXagemGEiW5rCNAQQuiesy1PzbP6AbC5dGjwb X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350YRBggwlKhsLwbPhrEFYtheHSZINsARj4RpAk4wQJQamN8tfZpYs9Ewr80lMSbwZddequHxPCwdZQ0GRe95SfQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d890:0:b0:b92:380b:caeb with SMTP id p138-20020a25d890000000b00b92380bcaebmr2900503ybg.0.1681684272139; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230416063354.08d6b811@dismail.de> <3332e024-2f0d-54fb-1178-5cacdca9c1b9@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 15:30:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: lsof-4.97.0,8 on 13.2-RELEASE (was: freebsd-update upgrade) To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aa4f7b05f97ba1ac" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q04f91S7zz4Q8x X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000aa4f7b05f97ba1ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 12:15=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wro= te: > yes all works fine, i have switched to 13.2 some days ago, packages are > still built on 13.1 machine. > > only some ports that contain kernel modules needs to be compiled from > ports and locked with pkg lock :-) > > i only had problem with virtual box but i have finally moved to vm and i > am happy bhyve user now :-) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > lsof just looks at the version of the system and, if it does not match the version on which it was built, it puts out that warning. It is quite possible that some thongs might fail or, worse, provide incorrect responses. OTOH, it likely will work for minor updates. Still, it's best to update when a 13.2 package is available. Not sure when that might happen... probably when 13.1 is EOL --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --000000000000aa4f7b05f97ba1ac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 12:15= =E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro= .info> wrote:
yes all works fine, i h= ave switched to 13.2 some days ago, packages are still built on 13.1 machin= e.

only some ports that contai= n kernel modules needs to be compiled from ports and locked with pkg lock := -)

i only had problem wi= th virtual box but i have finally moved to vm and i am happy bhyve user now= :-)

lsof just looks at the versi= on of the system and, if it does not match the version on which it was buil= t, it puts out that warning. It is quite possible that some thongs might fa= il or, worse, provide incorrect responses. OTOH, it likely will work for mi= nor updates. Still, it's best to update when a 13.2 package is availabl= e. Not sure when that might happen... probably when 13.1 is EOL
--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid h= erder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Finge= rprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
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T hanks for reading so far, Cor From nobody Mon Apr 17 00:07:29 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q06nW0wQ1z44w9L for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 00:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Q06nT6Qb7z3ssD for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 00:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=PjG0TorU; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1681690050; bh=JZtisFViZLUHzFZCMxK/+y7MS/f1U/SrBq+VkjZMliw=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject:To: References:Content-Language:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PjG0TorUIzP4kVb/4CqYthVjZKQilATd/78rUqcQSHj6mn4BVaLmGNfcpNqi4WwJ1 qfTYs0EyMTa5gBj4TkuVqmJxaPrcr4M4trVWYhgvAw5zArg8XJTR+PuzLNkkWmWl2q hJTu+2dPNzSB5VnupQcAKsEnbmUWNfn21/w6zZSatAw0momsCOUcNjilnTxHicM1py DOeX0jkHrh5DfeLAqZaXqtBHg7dJPEefNBafUWHEb7HSvq8Acz1rAB2AMMPHlrJsv7 YzD+DWw+wnGKTYl5KhLFgQ9EVuJZe48lwYXXETy6SajeDK25f6lytsVmZciW/eUaXv meMYDq8HGNDZVz8vV9W2giWzollC4IlA8foZvMYDPea2gQy91aDeOO1UAt9vZbQPcJ zezUhUcJMa8YuxKVi9JwDaQRL2DxHM6ISJsXeki/f8wk9OVYwoMCRKW/Rt4th9QjUg RWucnFYkLRLM+YZRQfM75smdeujEBelN3GfKUZaCTvyztNCU2PGPhOzGgVcZ8E2h2q QIeqB1d4r6JKbRI+yQ9766K17O6UJ2pvubCMGGJko+hdX8dwP5Hk1+18IqnYw7yaZC NOqu690avBkM1uTetnlYET1OxNCY3PC1ukv0II8czXkNtun9D81PRqiSO+FUxZPm4J ojlcRnqT1e4Ekuhc7aXDSB4g= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:07:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1feeee72-06ab-d514-0f13-14835141715b@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:07:29 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.0 Subject: Re: zfs creates mountpoint of (pool)/mountpoint? To: questions@freebsd.org References: <8011d9a5-e8d8-e9e8-2fe1-4baacacd1c10@vernuftiger.nl> Content-Language: en-US From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: <8011d9a5-e8d8-e9e8-2fe1-4baacacd1c10@vernuftiger.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:november.he.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q06nT6Qb7z3ssD X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/16/23 16:47, ICT builder wrote: > Hello, > > When I do a: > > # zfs create zroot/data > > > > And then a: > > # zfs list|grep data > zroot/data                   96K   898G       96K  /zroot/data > > > > Then I see a mount point of /zroot/data > > I want and would expect it to be mount point /data > > > > Ggogling how to set mount point I found: > > # zfs set mountpoint=/data zroot/data > root@ansible:~ # zfs list | grep data > zroot/data                   96K   898G       96K  /data > > > Can I create zfs datasets so it is mounted on /mountpoint instead of > pool/mountpoint? > > T > > hanks for reading so far, > Cor See zfs(8) -- you can set properties when creating a filesystem: 2023-04-16 17:02:33 toor@vf1 ~ # freebsd-version; uname -a 12.4-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD vf1.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.4-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC amd64 2023-04-16 17:02:40 toor@vf1 ~ # zfs create -o mountpoint=/foo vf1zpool1/foo 2023-04-16 17:03:21 toor@vf1 ~ # zfs list vf1zpool1/foo NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT vf1zpool1/foo 96K 830M 96K /foo 2023-04-16 17:03:48 toor@vf1 ~ # mount | grep foo vf1zpool1/foo on /foo (zfs, local, nfsv4acls) 2023-04-16 17:04:08 toor@vf1 ~ # ls -ld /foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 2 Apr 16 17:02 /foo David From nobody Mon Apr 17 01:12:02 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Q08Cr426Sz4518t for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Q08Cp2JvTz3Bsn for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=13bd.643c9ce4.k2304 header.b=OcBec9CS; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com Received: (qmail 5055 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2023 01:12:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; s=13bd.643c9ce4.k2304; bh=rBUyxdU/bXiMs08+wQkJIivZx7ja9NpBBRjMmvstksU=; b=OcBec9CS6GIfhpBmmpGPqCieV+uB+SlmMJCn0gXDsVxM5qBZLb+i6/JYUfCj1p/lzPXY74caYFqJ6dla3RZVrLh+JQU8BSDr9TGw7ciDRPlbsGzxwJjaP6g+gsbt+qW6F8SiDVJGbOzC+dmKavo+cxD+WQUefLotloWHYpA/6z/meIwvDuFs/VNtEN5nyK4m3Jr30d/unEFzAfmcOCRzTms6/zaCK+UTfC22hPgh5M9GFmmm9nhw6RDos6dQ7MhPC17uR7dhhe2c4w9Xn1JKbpLS8dE+CIuKNwxzyOVVndZfPVXLh+05B/ZQCmLKFy5wpBXHS9JgEYpevK/T9n8sEw== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 17 Apr 2023 01:12:04 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7FCDFBF39AC9; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: 16 Apr 2023 21:12:02 -0400 Message-Id: <20230417011203.7FCDFBF39AC9@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mysql8.0 upgrade crashes In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.40 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.40)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from,2001:470:1f07:1126:0:78:696d:6170:received]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=13bd.643c9ce4.k2304]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q08Cp2JvTz3Bsn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I'm trying to upgrade my fbsd 13.1 system from MySQL 5.7 to 8.0. So I shut down 5.7 cleanly, install the 8.0 package, start if up, and it consistently crashes somwehere in the upgrade process. I don't think there is anything very odd about my setup other than perhaps I set it to put each innodb database in a separate directory. I realize I could dump everything, install 8.0 from scratch, and restore it all, but I have a lot of databases and that would be painful so it would be really nice if I could get the upgrade to work. R's, John 2023-04-16T18:46:12.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/mysql/gal.iecc.com.err'. 2023-04-16T18:46:12.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/mysql 2023-04-16T18:46:12.933341Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release. 2023-04-16T18:46:12.936708Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server] /usr/local/libexec/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.32) starting as process 18731 2023-04-16T18:46:12.961932Z 1 [System] [MY-011012] [Server] Starting upgrade of data directory. 2023-04-16T18:46:12.962004Z 1 [System] [MY-013576] [InnoDB] InnoDB initialization has started. 2023-04-16T18:46:24.136645Z 1 [System] [MY-013577] [InnoDB] InnoDB initialization has ended. 2023-04-16T18:46:28Z UTC - mysqld got signal 11 ; Most likely, you have hit a bug, but this error can also be caused by malfunctioning hardware. Thread pointer: 0x81715e800 Attempting backtrace. You can use the following information to find out where mysqld died. If you see no messages after this, something went terribly wrong... [0x2371c88] +0x0 [0x2371dcb] +0x0 [0x8036d3580] _pthread_sigmask+0x540 [0x8036d2b3f] _pthread_setschedparam+0x82f [0x7ffffffff2d3] +0x82f [0x30aa132] +0x82f [0x30a8a8d] +0x82f [0x2f73f62] +0x82f [0x30b1bd9] +0x82f [0x2ed1107] +0x82f [0x2ecd314] +0x82f [0x2ecdf04] +0x82f [0x2ec8128] +0x82f [0x1fc4ba5] +0x82f [0x330b322] +0x82f [0x8036c983a] _pthread_create+0x8ca [0x0] +0x8ca stack_bottom = 7fffdc0dceb8 thread_stack 0x100000 0x2ef49be <_Z19my_print_stacktracePKhm+0x10e> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2371c88 <_Z18print_fatal_signali+0x268> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2371dcb at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x8036d3580 at /lib/libthr.so.3 0x8036d2b3f at /lib/libthr.so.3 0x7ffffffff2d3 at ??? 0x30aa132 <_Z15dict_load_tablePKcb17dict_err_ignore_tPKNSt3__112basic_stringIcNS2_11char_traitsIcEENS2_9allocatorIcEEEE+0x17c2> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x30a8a8d <_Z15dict_load_tablePKcb17dict_err_ignore_tPKNSt3__112basic_stringIcNS2_11char_traitsIcEENS2_9allocatorIcEEEE+0x11d> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2f73f62 <_Z23dict_table_open_on_namePKcbb17dict_err_ignore_t+0x272> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x30b1bd9 <_Z16dd_upgrade_tableP3THDPKcS2_PN2dd5TableEP5TABLE+0x129> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2ed1107 <_ZN20malloc_unordered_setINSt3__112basic_stringIcNS0_11char_traitsIcEENS0_9allocatorIcEEEENS0_4hashIS6_EENS0_8equal_toIS6_EEEC2Ej+0x7c7> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2ecd314 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5726migrate_plugin_table_to_ddEP3THD+0x2554> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2ecdf04 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5721migrate_all_frm_to_ddEP3THDPKcb+0x7c4> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x2ec8128 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5720fill_dd_and_finalizeEP3THD+0x118> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x1fc4ba5 <_ZN9bootstrap20run_bootstrap_threadEPKcP10MYSQL_FILEPFbP3THDE16enum_thread_type+0x5a5> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld 0x330b322 <_Z19pfs_spawn_thread_vcjjP16my_thread_handlePKP12pthread_attrPFPvS5_ES5_+0x2a2> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld Trying to get some variables. Some pointers may be invalid and cause the dump to abort. 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RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Q095T5dFqz3Lc6 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N ------=_Part_4652195_1582799960.1681696294732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry.... I almost ROFL when I read that FreeBSD is used 'less' in the= industry....=C2=A0 You 'like' both Linux and FreeBSD...However, you don't = seem to understand the philosophical differences in the development of the = two projects.=C2=A0=20 List of products based on FreeBSD - Wikipedia |=20 |=20 | |=20 List of products based on FreeBSD - Wikipedia | | | The LIST OF PRODUCTS....=C2=A0 That's just stuff that is commercial and bas= ed on FreeBSD....=C2=A0 Yes, I'd like to think between iOS, OSX, etc. Apple= is a massive shipper of what works.=C2=A0 I've worked on both iPhones and = Android as personal products.=C2=A0 Don't get me started on iPhone - just w= orks and Android's Linux has been less than entertaining. There's a large list of Open-Source products as well. If you looks at WHO is using FreeBSD... it's pretty much the biggest commer= cial companies in the world.=C2=A0 Why is that?=C2=A0 The philosophy of pro= per engineering.=C2=A0 Not the moronic "Cathedral vs Bazaar" mentality that= everyone said you can just keep throwing tons of non-engineering types at = problems and they'll write the works of Shakespeare.=C2=A0 Maybe writing a = piece of literature is possible.=C2=A0 Writing a bulletproof, high performa= nce OS that adheres to STANDARDS like POSIX for interoperability with other= POSIX standards is a 'novel' idea but it is the only one. Also, stripping/non-adhering to standards?=C2=A0 You get MS's no longer rel= evant Web Server.=C2=A0 Apache (uses FreeBSD too) still dominates the world= and will continue to do so.=C2=A0 Why?=C2=A0 A lot of the same FreeBSD phi= losophy.=C2=A0 Why was MS web server faster than Apache in certain benchmar= ks?=C2=A0 Not doing all the proper checking of the web standards.=C2=A0 Two= cars....=C2=A0 One beats the other 2 out of 3 times, however, it gets hija= cked 5x more than the other.=C2=A0 Do you really want the car that has no s= ecurity like locks built into it? When someone gets a degree in a technical discipline, it changes their ment= ality in how they approach problem solving.=C2=A0 Computer Science, Compute= r Engineer, Physics, Systems Analysis, etc.=C2=A0 If someone puts a piece o= f 'spaghetti' code in front of a person like that, you get what is now emer= ging here.... What problem are you trying to solve?=C2=A0 So far, you've claimed there's = a problem that there's a large pool of people that want to see docker on Fr= eeBSD.=C2=A0 Again, doubtful.=C2=A0 If there is, again, you've been repeate= dly told to start studying the Linux structures in its kernel and the corre= sponding components in FreeBSD and make an attempt to understand that Linux= is NOT standards compliant. So, as someone that sees this more and more as trolling, please stop asking= people to solve a non-problem. FreeBSD doesn't care about what the 'latest, greatest and kewl thing' that = someone thought of.=C2=A0 FreeBSD cares about building structured, ordered,= QA'd, release engineered product that isn't part of a crappy, latest and g= reatest software development paradigm.=C2=A0 Anyone care for Waterfall, dev= ops, AGILE, and everything else that falls by the wayside every 5-10 years = where a bunch of companies pop up to consult about the 'BEST WAY' to do sof= tware engineering instead of the classic examples/methods that have worked = for ages?=C2=A0 How about 'fake deadlines'?=C2=A0 They are all fake when so= meone in management doesn't understand what they are trying to accomplish.= =C2=A0 They set an artificial deadline.=C2=A0 (It's due to the fact they do= n't understand proper engineering they just think that if they don't put a = deadline, the engineers will just screw around. - VERY DOUBTFUL)=C2=A0 Yet,= I watch FreeBSD push out at least 3 full releases a year.=C2=A0 They have = a 'timeframe' that they'd like to see.=C2=A0 However, it has to pass QA and= release engineering via RCs (release clients).=C2=A0 I've seen them 'predi= ct' a norm of 3 RCs.=C2=A0 What happens if they find bugs?=C2=A0 In the com= mercial world, with AGILE, the attitude is document the bug, and keep movin= g....=C2=A0 That bug can actually make it into the release.=C2=A0 In FreeBS= D, NO!... there will be a revisiting of the implementation, the correction,= the QA process again, another RC and more testing. The day I read what AGILE was proposing was the day my classic computer sci= ence degree churned and almost puked.=C2=A0 Sorry, that's my feeling toward= s artificial deadlines, and SCRUMS, and constant churn of buggy code that s= hould be fixed waaaayyy upstream versus being allowed to linger until the n= ext Sprint or release. Paul On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 07:09:48 PM EDT, Mario Marietto wrote: =20 =20 With this general attitude, full of firm convictions and systematic stigma= tization of other=20 people's ideas (when they aren't canonical), there is not enough space for = the emergence of=20 divergent ideas,ideas that can create innovation because they are able to b= reak thought=20 patterns became too static and historicised. It is a pity because in order = to develop,=20 progress needs to be nourished above all by unpopular and divergent ideas.= =20 I'm not talking specifically about porting docker to FreeBSD, but I'm talki= ng about the way=20 you express your ideas, which, in my opinion, aren't dynamic and open to ch= anges and aren't ready to welcome innovations that come from other systems such as Linux, wh= ich always have something that's wrong. Some of you demonize Linux too much and you don't s= ee the great=20 amount of innovations it has brought. I like both Linux and FreeBSD and I a= m sad to read that the latter is always used less in the industry. There may be reasons, = but few of you=20 seem to realize that some of them are inherent to their own views about how= FreeBSD=20 should be. On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 9:32=E2=80=AFPM Ralf Mardorf wrote: There are countless container approaches available under Linux. None of these approaches are mature and almost all, if not all, will be phased out before they are mature. I guess nobody wants to experience a Canonical and/or Google universe. Somewhere in the Internet I found "While Docker is a container runtime, Kubernetes is a platform for running and managing containers from many container runtimes". At next somebody will introduce a platform that does manage platforms for platforms. An energy turnaround looks way different. --=20 Mario. =20 ------=_Part_4652195_1582799960.1681696294732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sorry.... I almost ROFL when I read that FreeB= SD is used 'less' in the industry....  You 'like' both Linux and FreeB= SD...
However, you don't seem to understand the philo= sophical differences in the development of the two projects. 



The LIST OF PRODUCTS....  That's just stuff that is commercial and b= ased on FreeBSD....  Yes, I'd like to think between iOS, OSX, etc. App= le is a massive shipper of what works.  I've worked on both iPhones an= d Android as personal products.  Don't get me started on iPhone - just= works and Android's Linux has been less than entertaining.

There's a large list of Open-Source products as well.

If you looks at WHO is using FreeBSD... it's pretty much the biggest = commercial companies in the world.  Why is that?  The philosophy = of proper engineering.  Not the moronic "Cathedral vs Bazaar" mentalit= y that everyone said you can just keep throwing tons of non-engineering typ= es at problems and they'll write the works of Shakespeare.  Maybe writ= ing a piece of literature is possible.  Writing a bulletproof, high pe= rformance OS that adheres to STANDARDS like POSIX for interoperability with= other POSIX standards is a 'novel' idea but it is the only one.

Also, stripping/non-adhering to standards?  You get MS's no lo= nger relevant Web Server.  Apache (uses FreeBSD too) still dominates t= he world and will continue to do so.  Why?  A lot of the same Fre= eBSD philosophy.  Why was MS web server faster than Apache in certain = benchmarks?  Not doing all the proper checking of the web standards.&n= bsp; Two cars....  One beats the other 2 out of 3 times, however, it g= ets hijacked 5x more than the other.  Do you really want the car that = has no security like locks built into it?

When someon= e gets a degree in a technical discipline, it changes their mentality in ho= w they approach problem solving.  Computer Science, Computer Engineer,= Physics, Systems Analysis, etc.  If someone puts a piece of 'spaghett= i' code in front of a person like that, you get what is now emerging here..= ..

What problem are you trying to solve?  So far, yo= u've claimed there's a problem that there's a large pool of people that wan= t to see docker on FreeBSD.  Again, doubtful.  If there is, again= , you've been repeatedly told to start studying the Linux structures in its= kernel and the corresponding components in FreeBSD and make an attempt to = understand that Linux is NOT standards compliant.

So, as = someone that sees this more and more as trolling, please stop asking people= to solve a non-problem.

FreeBSD doesn't care about what = the 'latest, greatest and kewl thing' that someone thought of.  FreeBS= D cares about building structured, ordered, QA'd, release engineered produc= t that isn't part of a crappy, latest and greatest software development par= adigm.  Anyone care for Waterfall, devops, AGILE, and everything else = that falls by the wayside every 5-10 years where a bunch of companies pop u= p to consult about the 'BEST WAY' to do software engineering instead of the= classic examples/methods that have worked for ages?  How about 'fake = deadlines'?  They are all fake when someone in management doesn't unde= rstand what they are trying to accomplish.  They set an artificial dea= dline.  (It's due to the fact they don't understand proper engineering= they just think that if they don't put a deadline, the engineers will just= screw around. - VERY DOUBTFUL)  Yet, I watch FreeBSD push out at leas= t 3 full releases a year.  They have a 'timeframe' that they'd like to= see.  However, it has to pass QA and release engineering via RCs (rel= ease clients).  I've seen them 'predict' a norm of 3 RCs.  What h= appens if they find bugs?  In the commercial world, with AGILE, the at= titude is document the bug, and keep moving....  That bug can actually= make it into the release.  In FreeBSD, NO!... there will be a revisit= ing of the implementation, the correction, the QA process again, another RC= and more testing.

The day I read what AGILE was proposin= g was the day my classic computer science degree churned and almost puked.&= nbsp; Sorry, that's my feeling towards artificial deadlines, and SCRUMS, an= d constant churn of buggy code that should be fixed waaaayyy upstream versu= s being allowed to linger until the next Sprint or release.

Paul


=20
=20
On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 07:09:48 PM EDT, Mario M= arietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote: 


With this general attitude, full of firm convictions and sy=
stematic stigmatization of other 
people's ideas (when th=
ey aren't canonical), there is not enough space for the emergence of 
divergent ideas,ideas that can create innovation because they =
are able to break thought 
patterns became too static and=
 historicised. It is a pity because in order to develop, 
progress needs to be nourished above all by unpopular and divergent ideas.=
 
I'm not talking specifically about porting docker to FreeBSD, but=
 I'm talking about the way 
you express your ideas, which=
, in my opinion, aren't dynamic and open to changes and aren't
ready to welcome innovations that come from other systems such as Lin=
ux, which always have
something that's wrong. Some of you=
 demonize Linux too much and you don't see the great 
amo=
unt of innovations it has brought. I like both Linux and FreeBSD and I am s=
ad to read
that the latter is always used less in the ind=
ustry. There may be reasons, but few of you 
seem to real=
ize that some of them are inherent to their own views about how FreeBSD should be.

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 9:32=E2=80=AFPM =
Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> wrote:
There are countless containe=
r approaches available under Linux. None of

these approaches are mature and almost all, if not all, will be phased

out before they are mature.



I guess nobody wants to experience a Canonical and/or Google universe.



Somewhere in the Internet I found "While Docker is a container runtime,

Kubernetes is a platform for running and managing containers from many

container runtimes".



At next somebody will introduce a platform that does manage platforms

for platforms. An energy turnaround looks way different.






-- 
Mario.



            

        

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On 4/16/23 20:51, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> I'm sorry.... I almost ROFL when I read that FreeBSD is used 'less' in the industry....  You 'like' both Linux and FreeBSD...
> However, you don't seem to understand the philosophical differences in the development of the two projects.

You're kidding yourself (as all true religious zealots do).  BSD is my preferred OS. I've been using it since
well before there was even a notion of BSD386.  But to claim it's in wide use in commercial settings
is a particular form of hallucination.   I have been in many, many, many data centers as a consultant
and as an employee.  There I find Windows, SunOS, AIX, and Linux in abundance.  BSD shows up only as an embedded
system in things like NAS systems.  In all the DCs I've ever been in, among the many
thousands of servers I've surveyed, I think I've found maybe one instance of a freestanding BSD server.

Yes, there are companies like Apple using a desktop derived from BSD but that's not what the users actually
experience unless they choose to run at the CLI.  The users experience some version of the Aqua UI and all the
cruft that goes with it. Yes, companies Apache and (in the past) Hotmail use BSD, but c'mon, that's rounding
error in the scheme of things.  Oracle, Google, and AWS clouds are all built on linux and represent
hundreds of thousands or even millions of payloads.  Even Azure has grudgingly made room for this.
Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image available.  The only one I ever found
was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.

Linux and Windows dominate the server room and industry by a huge margin.  This is observably true, not
some wild opinion.  Do I wish this were no so. Yes.  Do I think the FreeBSD community has a superior
release disciple and overall higher quality quality.  Certainly.  But I cooperate with Reality, I don't
engage in wishful thinking to make professional choices.  You only have to look at the number of jobs
available for Linux experience vs. those that name BSD in any form to get a clue where the center
of gravity is.

Every few years someone starts another one of this ridiculous "My OS, Is Better Than Your OS"
arguments which are fundamentally useless.



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 Believe it or not Tim, I do agree with you on a lot your points.
However, in the hey-day of BSD based derivatives, I saw a lot of the issues=
.=C2=A0 I laughed on the Hotmail transition.=C2=A0 A 10x transition to NT4 =
machines...
Well, I've been in hundreds and seen more than just one.
But again, you're right it's a rounding error.=C2=A0 However, all the 'cool=
 things' come from BSD.... from PF, SSH, etc and it will continue to happen=
.
AWS does have FreeBSD as does Azure.
And you're right, I know what the reality is.=C2=A0 I live the delusion tha=
t some day.... we'll go back to code optimization and proper methodologies =
instead of throwing hardware at it.
Also, I don't believe anyone should have an 'inventor' moniker when they co=
py the bulk of code from the back of a Minix book that happened to have the=
 source in it.
Last, BSD 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3Tahoe, 4.3Reno and 4.4. :D=C2=A0 Govt was all o=
ver BSD for many years.=C2=A0 The problem was the world changed and shortcu=
ts and ridiculous excuses took hold.
Nice meeting you and have a good one,
Paul

    On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:21:55 PM EDT, Tim Daneliuk  wrote: =20
=20
 On 4/16/23 20:51, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> I'm sorry.... I almost ROFL when I read that FreeBSD is used 'less' in th=
e industry....=C2=A0 You 'like' both Linux and FreeBSD...
> However, you don't seem to understand the philosophical differences in th=
e development of the two projects.

You're kidding yourself (as all true religious zealots do).=C2=A0 BSD is my=
 preferred OS. I've been using it since
well before there was even a notion of BSD386.=C2=A0 But to claim it's in w=
ide use in commercial settings
is a particular form of hallucination.=C2=A0 I have been in many, many, man=
y data centers as a consultant
and as an employee.=C2=A0 There I find Windows, SunOS, AIX, and Linux in ab=
undance.=C2=A0 BSD shows up only as an embedded
system in things like NAS systems.=C2=A0 In all the DCs I've ever been in, =
among the many
thousands of servers I've surveyed, I think I've found maybe one instance o=
f a freestanding BSD server.

Yes, there are companies like Apple using a desktop derived from BSD but th=
at's not what the users actually
experience unless they choose to run at the CLI.=C2=A0 The users experience=
 some version of the Aqua UI and all the
cruft that goes with it. Yes, companies Apache and (in the past) Hotmail us=
e BSD, but c'mon, that's rounding
error in the scheme of things.=C2=A0 Oracle, Google, and AWS clouds are all=
 built on linux and represent
hundreds of thousands or even millions of payloads.=C2=A0 Even Azure has gr=
udgingly made room for this.
Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image availabl=
e.=C2=A0 The only one I ever found
was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.

Linux and Windows dominate the server room and industry by a huge margin.=
=C2=A0 This is observably true, not
some wild opinion.=C2=A0 Do I wish this were no so. Yes.=C2=A0 Do I think t=
he FreeBSD community has a superior
release disciple and overall higher quality quality.=C2=A0 Certainly.=C2=A0=
 But I cooperate with Reality, I don't
engage in wishful thinking to make professional choices.=C2=A0 You only hav=
e to look at the number of jobs
available for Linux experience vs. those that name BSD in any form to get a=
 clue where the center
of gravity is.

Every few years someone starts another one of this ridiculous "My OS, Is Be=
tter Than Your OS"
arguments which are fundamentally useless.



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Believe it or not Tim, I do =
agree with you on a lot your points.

However, in the hey-=
day of BSD based derivatives, I saw a lot of the issues.  I laughed on=
 the Hotmail transition.  A 10x transition to NT4 machines...

Well, I've been in hundreds and seen more than just one.

But again, you're right it's a rounding error.  However, al=
l the 'cool things' come from BSD.... from PF, SSH, etc and it will continu=
e to happen.

AWS does have FreeBSD as does Azure.

And you're right, I know what the reality is.  I live the d=
elusion that some day.... we'll go back to code optimization and proper met=
hodologies instead of throwing hardware at it.

Also, I do=
n't believe anyone should have an 'inventor' moniker when they copy the bul=
k of code from the back of a Minix book that happened to have the source in=
 it.

Last, BSD 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3Tahoe, 4.3Reno and 4.4. =
:D  Govt was all over BSD for many years.  The problem was the wo=
rld changed and shortcuts and ridiculous excuses took hold.

Nice meeting you and have a good one,

Paul
=



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                    On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:21:55 PM EDT, Tim Danel=
iuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
                

                


                


                
On 4/16/23 20:51, Paul Pathiakis wrot=
e:

> I'm sorry.... I almost ROFL when I read that FreeBSD is=
 used 'less' in the industry....  You 'like' both Linux and FreeBSD...=

> However, you don't seem to understand the philosoph=
ical differences in the development of the two projects.


You're kidding yourself (as all true religious zea=
lots do).  BSD is my preferred OS. I've been using it since
well before there was even a notion of BSD386.  But to claim=
 it's in wide use in commercial settings
is a particular =
form of hallucination.   I have been in many, many, many data centers =
as a consultant
and as an employee.  There I find Wi=
ndows, SunOS, AIX, and Linux in abundance.  BSD shows up only as an em=
bedded
system in things like NAS systems.  In all th=
e DCs I've ever been in, among the many
thousands of serv=
ers I've surveyed, I think I've found maybe one instance of a freestanding =
BSD server.

Yes, there are companies l=
ike Apple using a desktop derived from BSD but that's not what the users ac=
tually
experience unless they choose to run at the CLI.&n=
bsp; The users experience some version of the Aqua UI and all the
cruft that goes with it. Yes, companies Apache and (in the past) =
Hotmail use BSD, but c'mon, that's rounding
error in the =
scheme of things.  Oracle, Google, and AWS clouds are all built on lin=
ux and represent
hundreds of thousands or even millions o=
f payloads.  Even Azure has grudgingly made room for this.
Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image a=
vailable.  The only one I ever found
was Digital Oce=
an and they're relatively small.

Linux=
 and Windows dominate the server room and industry by a huge margin.  =
This is observably true, not
some wild opinion.  Do =
I wish this were no so. Yes.  Do I think the FreeBSD community has a s=
uperior
release disciple and overall higher quality quali=
ty.  Certainly.  But I cooperate with Reality, I don't
engage in wishful thinking to make professional choices.  Yo=
u only have to look at the number of jobs
available for L=
inux experience vs. those that name BSD in any form to get a clue where the=
 center
of gravity is.

Every few years someone starts another one of this ridiculous "My OS, Is=
 Better Than Your OS"
arguments which are fundamentally u=
seless.





            

        

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>
> Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image
> available.  The only one I ever found
> was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.
>

Does AWS count as a major cloud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog for
EC2 images, they have all versions of 12 and 13. Last time I looked , they
have all of the Betas and RCs for 13.2, which is more than they have for
Ubuntu. Also, the number two cloud vendor submitted kernel patches to the
FreeBSD project so that it would work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hypervi=
sor.

See
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/freebsd-intr=
o-on-azure

To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD.

Also, Colin has been doing great with Amazon to get support for the new
Amazon cloud hardware into FreeBSD.

Most other cloud vendors are small (maybe medium) as compared to AWS and
Azure.


Walter


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was Digital Ocean and they=
're relatively small.

Does AWS count as a major cloud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog=
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they have all of the Betas and RCs for 13.2, which is more than they have f=
or Ubuntu. Also, the number two cloud vendor submitted kernel patches to th=
e FreeBSD project so that it would work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hyper=
visor. =C2=A0

=

See=C2=A0

To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD.

Also,=C2=A0Colin has been do=
ing great with Amazon to get support for the new Amazon cloud hardware into=
=C2=A0FreeBSD.

Most other cloud ven=
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Walter<=
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i should update my remark sorry: pkg provides packages for 13.2 that are
built on 13.1 so users should build from ports applications that provide
kernel modules _and_ have some kernel dependencies maybe lsof is one of
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 06:29 Walter Parker  wrote:

>
>
>> Go try to find a mainstream cloud vendor with a standard BSD image
>> available.  The only one I ever found
>> was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.
>>
>
> Does AWS count as a major cloud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog for
> EC2 images, they have all versions of 12 and 13. Last time I looked , the=
y
> have all of the Betas and RCs for 13.2, which is more than they have for
> Ubuntu. Also, the number two cloud vendor submitted kernel patches to the
> FreeBSD project so that it would work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hyper=
visor.
>
> See
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/freebsd-in=
tro-on-azure
>
> To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD.
>
> Also, Colin has been doing great with Amazon to get support for the new
> Amazon cloud hardware into FreeBSD.
>
> Most other cloud vendors are small (maybe medium) as compared to AWS and
> Azure.
>

ehem, i am first enemy of microsoft for their "progress by enforced
changes" ideology that messed up the once beautiful logical and coherent IT
world (that ideology is now obvious everywhere around with the same
results)... but i was forced to use WSL recently.. that is kind of text
mode only linux virtual machine on windoze.. quite similar to what bhyve +
console provides (we also have video support on BSD).

how about providing FreeBSD VM images for them? at least folks could choose
between Linux _and_ FreeBSD in this WSL stuff.. this could be also helpful
in some corporate environments where WSL is considered system application
but users are not allowed to install other applications and/or bare metal
stuff :-)

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Go try to find a mains=
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I ever found
was Digital Ocean and they're relatively small.

Does AWS count as a major c=
loud vendor? If you look at the OS catalog for EC2 images, they have all ve=
rsions of 12 and 13. Last time I looked , they have all of the Betas and RC=
s for 13.2, which is more than they have for Ubuntu. Also, the number two c=
loud vendor submitted kernel patches to the FreeBSD project so that it woul=
d work better on Microsoft=E2=80=99s hypervisor. =C2=A0

See=C2=A0<=
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To see what Azure supports w.r.t. FreeBSD.

Also,=C2=A0Colin has been doing great wi=
th Amazon to get support for the new Amazon cloud hardware into=C2=A0FreeBSD.

Most other cloud vendors are small (maybe medium) as compared to AWS a=
nd Azure.

<=
div dir=3D"auto">ehem, i am first enemy of microsoft for their "progre=
ss by enforced changes" ideology that messed up the once beautiful log=
ical and coherent IT world (that ideology is now obvious everywhere around =
with the same results)... but i was forced to use WSL recently.. that is ki=
nd of text mode only linux virtual machine on windoze.. quite similar to wh=
at bhyve + console provides (we also have video support on BSD).

how about providing FreeBSD VM ima=
ges for them? at least folks could choose between Linux _and_ FreeBSD in th=
is WSL stuff.. this could be also helpful in some corporate environments wh=
ere WSL is considered system application but users are not allowed to insta=
ll other applications and/or bare metal stuff :-)
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On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis  wrote:

> I guess my opinion at this point is to drop this.  I don't see a valid
> point for diverting resources and various other things to accommodate
> 'docker' or many other things that are dependent on 'linuxisms'.  Where
> does it stop?  Do we start porting everything from Windows as well?  My
> point is there are many things in many OSes and variants thereof, that ha=
ve
> hooks into proprietary parts of the kernel that are not 'modular'.  By
> modular, I mean that they can be compiled and used on another OS like mos=
t
> things in the ports/pkgs system.  Since this is 'kernel' level, I don't
> think FreeBSD should pursue such an endeavor with the limited resources a=
t
> hand.  The FreeBSD kernel and userland are a thing of beauty and refineme=
nt
> imho.  All I have to do is look at the CVE database to see that in the la=
st
> 10 years there only a couple of hundred bugs.  Just the linux KERNEL has
> 1000s as does windows.  I would worry that anything that had ties into th=
e
> Linux kernel is probably an issue waiting to happen.
>
> I've been doing system administration and system architecture for over 35
> years...  When people ask what the dominant *nix OS is and are expecting
> Linux.... It starts us down the road of all the big boys use FreeBSD
> because they can't afford to have constant patching and vulnerabilities.
>
> So, it's either in a hypervisor and we go from there or drop it.  The
> amount of time spent on this discussion is becoming 'trollish'
>

I agree with this ofc, which is why I suggested an option rather than
actually trolling and calling the person a troll like others did.  And
bhyve is just and option there are other supported virtualization
solutions, I have in fact run docker in virtualbox long ago... spoiler
performance is horrible, and again as I stated its nice to pull an image or
to for testing it will never be the same.

>
> Paul
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 08:23:35 AM GMT-5, Mario Marietto <
> marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---> Couldn't we just run docker on bhyve?
>
> more no than yes. You could try to put yourself in other people's shoes.
> You are only moving the problem. You are indirectly asking the users that
> come from another system to learn bhyve if they want to use docker. Why
> should they learn something different to just use what they need ? At thi=
s
> point they could jump directly to learn jails,instead of bhyve and / or
> docker. To learn something different requires time,energy,etc. This is no=
t
> a good business card for the new users. And it implicitly admits that a
> useful and popular tool like docker doesn't work on an efficient operatin=
g
> system like FreeBSD. Yes there are great tools like docker for freebsd,
> but those users don't need it, they just want docker. Maybe they don't ev=
en
> need to learn bhyve. Just Docker. Your reasoning is typical of someone
> who has been using freebsd for some time, you don't think like those user=
s
> who would like to adopt it and are evaluating the pros and cons. Take als=
o
> in consideration that running bhyve to run Docker is a waste of resources
> on the machine,if I want to run only Docker,because in a normal situation=
,I
> shouldn't have the need to use bhyve. Users that have already boarded
> FreeBSD have probably already come to appreciate jails and many of them
> don't need to run bhyve to get docker. Remember the focus of my
> argumentation : it is something like this : I offer a native implementati=
on
> of docker on FreeBSD and I use it as bait to attract more users. And
> between those users maybe there will be also good developers that will lo=
ve
> FreeBSD even for different reasons than docker. The ultimate goal is to
> make freebsd a little more attractive to the industry, because as far as =
I
> read, it's slowly disappearing.
>

I understand what you are saying, but I think I was misunderstood or didn't
make myself super clear, so let me clarify, I also believe the effort on
something like this being actively supported in FreeBSD would be huge, and
also will never be a priority for the FreeBSD foundation even if it was to
drive adoption (this is my personal opinion nothing more, my reasoning is
that I've never seen FreeBSD invest on something purely to drive adoption,
or at last not as the main goal)

There are other  virt solutions (virtualbox ie.), I suggested byhve because
IMHO it's not that hard and when I said "It shouldn't be complicated" I
should have provided more detail, it is actually easy to start a Linux VM,
folks coming from linux are familiar with terminal unlike on Windows, the
documentation gives examples, there are a few threads on this too... and
well, you even have ChatGPT so if you really struggling you can ask the
cmds to start a linux VM with bhyve, but again there are other solutions,
like virtualbox, this I have tried in FreeBSD, and in fact on macOS too,
there are folks also doing this, because docker desktop is paid for
non-personal use or small business (some fear they might make this more
restrictive soon), and without docker desktop you will have the same
problems as FreeBSD on macOS... (see:
https://medium.com/pictet-technologies-blog/replace-docker-desktop-on-macos=
-with-vagrant-and-virtual-box-c93d6ac240e1
)

Also, when I'm saying I never tried it myself and was immediately trolled
let me also clarify, the fact that you never tried a specific use case
doesn't mean you can't say it should be hard, because I was speaking about
starting a bhyve VM, this is something I tried, its documented and if this
is hard for a person familiar with Linux then I dare say that person is not
actually familiar with Linux, if so running commands in the terminal based
on examples should be trivial... now running docker cmds inside a *bhyve*
VM is not something I tried sure and I did say there are likely going to be
limitations, I have however never trying to install docker un then run it
inside a bhyve VM, I have on VirtualBox though. Hopefully I was a bit more
clear now.

Unlike you Paul that actually provided a great response to my comments with
logical reasoning, what I often see here is that rather than helping or
explaining things some people are full of attitude don't even reply to the
main question, and they are in fact the actual trolls, sadly this is just
how the internet his, there a lot more people trying to make themselves
feel superior, than people helping. I mean, if you have nothing of value to
had but sarcasm and trolling, just don't reply.

Anyway the original question is about docker, and I do believe the only
option you have at this point Mario if you really want to invest time on it
is virtualization, and again this is exactly how its done in macOS and
Widows, the difference there is that the actual Docker developers support
it with Docker Desktop, and have actually done some work on performance,
and ofc some of the setup hurdles are handled by the software... like the
storage part etc. Perhaps if there are many folks wanting this the best way
is to ask for it on Docker forums (its been asked actually but by very few
people).

Btw Mario, as others said FreeBSD has the "jails" system, and I've actually
looked into a project that tries to implement some docker concepts using
jails : https://github.com/sadaszewski/focker ( Idk if others have
mentioned it as I have not read all the replies, sorry if that is the case)

I have used it before just for testing, back in v1 still, and totally
forgot about it, but it might be something to look into as well Mario, keep
in mind that it's a single dev effort, but it does support orchestration
tools, you can use "Dockerfile" like files and docker build, re-use images
etc so it might be easier for you than bhyve.. as even the commands are
similar.


And Mario, I understand the frustration I faced the same but in reverse,
because I actually started with unix-like systems (including the BSDs ofc)
and then started to use Linux for work related reasons, many times I simply
had to adapt to the "linux way", it's just how things are, but it's also
true that "voice" makes a difference... A lot of people wanted ZFS on
Linux... and It's now a reality.


I'm going to drop this thread because I have nothing else to offer.

P.S. Sorry for any typo I typed this fast and don't have time to review

Best to all.


On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM Miguel C  w=
rote:

100% Agree with this, and the fact is there have been cases where there is
that tolerance and there are maintainers making efforts to bring "linux"
things to freeBSD even if via linux emulation.

Docker has been mentioned many times in mailing lists and forums and there
is always comments like "but why jails are much better" etc, sometimes not
only intolerant but rude reply that serve only to drive people away IMHO.

I also don't get why is that so complicated, is it just cause FreeBSD's
maintainers/community don't want to even consider docker on FreeBSD?
Couldn't we just run docker on bhyve? I'm sure it would serve the "just
want to test this image purpose" but I suspect there will be some issues
with Filesytem/network, not issues per say, but more like it likely takes
some work to get this to run in easy manner, but I think I've seen mentions
of using sshfs or zvols to make this part easier.

MacOS and Windows use virtualization anyway, sure Docker "DESKTOP" is
supported but docker, but they are still using a VM at the end of the day
and handle the filesystem/network stuff for the user.

I've never tried this my self but I don't think it should be that super
complicated unless you plan to run docker on prod envs, I think here, the
argument that "right tool for the job" is very valid.... I use docker on my
macOS but I'm not going to run things in prod in macbooks ofc, I will still
use Linux, K8s etc.

Perhaps the FreeBSD foundation could invest a bit in getting a tool to easy
the way of running docker through bhyve, I do believe this would be good
for user adoption, but probably there are other priorities.



On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:32=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto 
wrote:

The point of my argumentation is not if FreeBSD has or not good tools for
containerizing and securing applications. It has. Point is that the users
that don't know FreeBSD are tied to their own tools and rarely want to
change them. Almost everyone wants to change. But trying,experimenting and
changing something in the workflow is important,because every tool has bad
and good sides. There are many docker images already to be used on the net
and this will save a lot of time and effort and money for a lot of people.
This is a fact. And I think that it happened because Docker is...good.
FreeBSD has tools like docker,but the mass production of containerized
images never happened. So,would we ask ourselves the reason ? Maybe
something has not gone well. I use Linux and FreeBSD and I "love" both
these systems. Linux has a larger user base than FreeBSD. A larger user
base may mean more innovations in a small time,a faster bug correction and
so on.

I think that mostly advantages from the implementation of docker on FreeBSD
will come from the user base. Mostly for those users that come from linux
or other OS and that already use docker and kubernetes. I don't think those
users are a small number. Those users could jump to FreeBSD if Docker /
Kubernetes are implemented in FreeBSD. This could be the straw that broke
the camel's back. You argue that the jails are working already great and
that they should use them. I argue that the freebsd community could have a
more tolerant behavior to the users that could jump to the FreeBSD world
and they should not force them to learn only new technologies at first. To
have some important tools which work on multiple systems means having a
good business card. So,in the end I ask to myself and to you : FreeBSD
needs to grow in terms of community ? Does it need to be populated by a
bigger number of users that will come from another OS base community ?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:17=E2=80=AFAM Alejandro Imass 
wrote:



On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis  wrote:

I believe the simplest thing would be to wrap jails or iocage in an
interface that looks like and behaves Docker-like.


and Bastille!





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On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AF=
PM Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> wrote:

        
I guess my opinion at this point is to drop this.=
=C2=A0 I don't see a valid point for diverting resources and various ot=
her things to accommodate 'docker' or many other things that are de=
pendent on 'linuxisms'.=C2=A0 Where does it stop?=C2=A0 Do we start=
 porting everything from Windows as well?=C2=A0 My point is there are many =
things in many OSes and variants thereof, that have hooks into proprietary =
parts of the kernel that are not 'modular'.=C2=A0 By modular, I mea=
n that they can be compiled and used on another OS like most things in the =
ports/pkgs system.=C2=A0 Since this is 'kernel' level, I don't =
think FreeBSD should pursue such an endeavor with the limited resources at =
hand.=C2=A0 The FreeBSD kernel and userland are a thing of beauty and refin=
ement imho.=C2=A0 All I have to do is look at the CVE database to see that =
in the last 10 years there only a couple of hundred bugs.=C2=A0 Just the li=
nux KERNEL has 1000s as does windows.=C2=A0 I would worry that anything tha=
t had ties into the Linux kernel is probably an issue waiting to happen.

I've been doing system a=
dministration and system architecture for over 35 years...=C2=A0 When peopl=
e ask what the dominant *nix OS is and are expecting Linux.... It starts us=
 down the road of all the big boys use FreeBSD because they can't affor=
d to have constant patching and vulnerabilities.

=

So, it's either in a hypervisor and we go from t=
here or drop it.=C2=A0 The amount of time spent on this discussion is becom=
ing 'trollish'

I =
agree with this ofc, which is why I suggested an option rather than actuall=
y trolling and calling the person a troll like others did.=C2=A0 And bhyve =
is just and option there are other supported virtualization solutions, I ha=
ve in fact run docker in virtualbox long ago... spoiler performance is horr=
ible, and again as I stated its nice to pull an image or to for testing it =
will never be the same.

Paul
<=
/div>


       =20
        

            

               =20
                

                    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 08:23:35 AM GMT-5, Mario=
 Marietto <m=
arietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
                

                


                


                
---> Couldn't w=
e just run docker on bhyve?

more no=
 than yes. You could try to put yourself in other people&=
#39;s shoes. You are only moving the problem. You are indirectly asking the=
 users that come from another system to learn bhyve if they want to use doc=
ker. Why should they learn something different to just use what they need ?=
 At this point they could jump directly to learn jails,instead of bhyve and=
 / or docker. To learn something different requires time,energy,etc. This i=
s not a good business card for the new users. And =
it implicitly admits that a useful and popular tool like docker doesn't=
 work on an efficient operating system like FreeBSD. Yes there are great tools like docker for freebsd, but those users don&#=
39;t need it, they just want docker. Maybe they don't even need to lear=
n bhyve. Just Docker. Your reasoning is typical of=
 someone who has been using freebsd for some time, you don't think like=
 those users who would like to adopt it and are evaluating the pros and con=
s. Take also in consideration that running bhyve to run Docker is a waste o=
f resources on the machine,if I want to run only Docker,because in a normal=
 situation,I shouldn't have the need to use bhyve. Users that have already boarded FreeBSD have probably already come to =
appreciate jails and many of them don't need to run bhyve to get docker=
. Remember the focus of my argumentation : it is something like this : I of=
fer a native implementation of docker on FreeBSD and I use it as bait to at=
tract more users. And between those users maybe there will be also good dev=
elopers that will love FreeBSD even for different reasons than docker. The =
ultimate goal is to make freebsd a little more att=
ractive to the industry, because as far as I read, it's slowly disappea=
ring.

I understand what you are saying, but I think I was misun=
derstood or didn't make myself super clear, so let me clarify, I also b=
elieve the effort on something like this being actively supported in FreeBS=
D would be huge, and also will never be a priority for the FreeBSD foundati=
on even if it was to drive adoption (this is my personal opinion nothing mo=
re, my reasoning is that I've never seen FreeBSD invest on something pu=
rely to drive adoption, or at last not as the main goal) 
There are other=C2=A0 virt solutions (virtualbox ie.), I sugges=
ted byhve because IMHO it's not that hard and when I said "It shou=
ldn't be complicated" I should have provided more detail, it is ac=
tually easy to start a Linux VM, folks coming from linux are familiar with =
terminal unlike on Windows, the documentation gives examples, there are a f=
ew threads on this too... and well, you even have ChatGPT so if you really =
struggling you can ask the cmds to start a linux VM with bhyve, but again t=
here are other solutions, like virtualbox, this I have tried in FreeBSD, an=
d in fact on macOS too, there are folks also doing this, because docker des=
ktop is paid for non-personal use or small business (some fear they might m=
ake this more restrictive soon), and without docker desktop you will have t=
he same problems as FreeBSD on macOS... (see: https://medium.com/pictet-technologies-blog/repla=
ce-docker-desktop-on-macos-with-vagrant-and-virtual-box-c93d6ac240e1)

Also, when I'm saying I never tried=
 it myself and was immediately trolled let me also clarify, the fact that y=
ou never tried a specific use case doesn't mean you can't say it sh=
ould be hard, because I was speaking about starting a bhyve VM, this is som=
ething I tried, its documented and if this is hard for a person familiar wi=
th Linux then I dare say that person is not actually familiar with Linux, i=
f so running commands in the terminal based on examples should be trivial..=
. now running docker cmds inside a *bhyve* VM is not something I tried sure=
 and I did say there are likely going to be limitations, I have however nev=
er trying to install docker un then run it inside a bhyve VM, I have on Vir=
tualBox though. Hopefully I was a bit more clear now.

Unlike you Paul that actually provided a great response=
 to my comments with logical reasoning, what I often see here is that rathe=
r than helping or explaining things some people are full of attitude don=
9;t even reply to the main question, and they are in fact the actual trolls=
, sadly this is just how the internet his, there a lot more people trying t=
o make themselves feel superior, than people helping. I mean, if you have n=
othing of value to had but sarcasm and trolling, just don't reply.
<=
/div>
Anyway the original question is about docker, and I do =
believe the only option you have at this point Mario if you really want to =
invest time on it is virtualization, and again this is exactly how its done=
 in macOS and Widows, the difference there is that the actual Docker develo=
pers support it with Docker Desktop, and have actually done some work on pe=
rformance, and ofc some of the setup hurdles are handled by the software...=
 like the storage part etc. Perhaps if there are many folks wanting this th=
e best way is to ask for it on Docker forums (its been asked actually but b=
y very few people).

Btw Mario, as others said Free=
BSD has the "jails" system, and I've actually looked into a p=
roject that tries to implement some docker concepts using jails : https://github=
.com/sadaszewski/focker ( Idk if others have mentioned it as I have not=
 read all the replies, sorry if that is the case)

<=
div>I have used it before just for testing, back in v1 still, and totally f=
orgot about it, but it might be something to look into as well Mario, keep =
in mind that it's a single dev effort, but it does support orchestratio=
n tools, you can use "Dockerfile" like files and docker build, re=
-use images etc so it might be easier for you than bhyve.. as even the comm=
ands are similar.


And Mario, I unde=
rstand the frustration I faced the same but in reverse, because I actually =
started with unix-like systems (including the BSDs ofc) and then started to=
 use Linux for work related reasons, many times I simply had to adapt to th=
e "linux way", it's just how things are, but it's also tr=
ue that "voice" makes a difference... A lot of people wanted ZFS =
on Linux... and It's now a reality.


I'm going to drop this thread because I have nothing else to o=
ffer.

P.S. Sorry for any typo I typed this fast an=
d don't have time to review 

Best to all.<=
br>


On Thu,=
 Apr 13, 2023 at 2:59=E2=80=AFPM Miguel C <miguelmclara=
@gmail.com> wrote:
100% Agree with this, and the fact is th=
ere have been cases where there is that tolerance and there are maintainers=
 making efforts to bring "linux" things to freeBSD even if via li=
nux emulation.

Docker has been ment=
ioned many times in mailing lists and forums and there is always comments l=
ike "but why jails are much better" etc, sometimes not only intol=
erant but rude reply that serve only to drive people away IMHO.
<=
br clear=3D"none">
I also don't get why is that so complicate=
d, is it just cause FreeBSD's maintainers/community don't want to e=
ven consider docker on FreeBSD? Couldn't we just run docker on bhyve? I=
'm sure it would serve the "just want to test this image purpose&q=
uot; but I suspect there will be some issues with Filesytem/network, not is=
sues per say, but more like it likely takes some work to get this to run in=
 easy manner, but I think I've seen mentions of using sshfs or zvols to=
 make this part easier.

MacOS and W=
indows use virtualization anyway, sure Docker "DESKTOP" is suppor=
ted but docker, but they are still using a VM at the end of the day and han=
dle the filesystem/network stuff for the user.

I've never tried this my self but I don't thin=
k it should be that super complicated unless you plan to run docker on prod=
 envs, I think here, the argument that "right tool for the job" i=
s very valid.... I use docker on my macOS but I'm not going to run thin=
gs in prod in macbooks ofc, I will still use Linux, K8s etc.

Perhaps the FreeBSD foundation could inv=
est a bit in getting a tool to easy the way of running docker through bhyve=
, I do believe this would be good for user adoption, but probably there are=
 other priorities.



On Thu, Apr=
 13, 2023 at 12:32=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2=
008@gmail.com> wrote:
The point of my argumentation is not if FreeBSD=
 has or not good tools for containerizing and securing applications. It has=
. Point is that the users that don't know FreeBSD are tied to their own=
 tools and rarely want to change them. Almost everyone wants to change. But=
 trying,experimenting and changing something in the workflow is important,b=
ecause every tool has bad and good sides. There are many docker images alre=
ady to be used on the net and this will save a lot of time and effort and m=
oney for a lot of people. This is a fact. And I think that it happened beca=
use Docker is...good. FreeBSD has tools like docker,but the mass production=
 of containerized images never happened. So,would we ask ourselves the reas=
on ? Maybe something has not gone well. I use Linux and FreeBSD and I "=
;love" both these systems. Linux has a larger user base than FreeBSD. =
A larger user base may mean more innovations in a small time,a faster bug c=
orrection and so on. 

I think that mostly advantages from the implementation of docker on F=
reeBSD will come from the user base. Mostly=20
for those users that come from linux or other OS and that already use=20
docker and kubernetes. I don't think those users are a small number.=20
Those users could jump to FreeBSD if Docker / Kubernetes are implemented
 in FreeBSD. This could be the straw that broke the camel=
's back. You argue that the jails are working already great and =
that they should use them. I argue that the freebsd community could have a =
more
 tolerant behavior to the users that could jump to the FreeBSD world and th=
ey should not force them to learn only new technologies at first. To have s=
ome important tools which work on multiple systems means having a good business card. So,in the=20
end I ask to myself and to you : FreeBSD needs to grow in terms of co=
mmunity ? Does it need to be populated by a bigger number of users t=
hat will come from another OS base community ? 

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:17=
=E2=80=AFAM Alejandro Imass <aimass@yabarana.com> w=
rote:
=



On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> wrote:

        
I believe the simplest thing would be to wrap jail=
s or iocage in an interface that looks like and behaves Docker-like.
<=
div dir=3D"ltr">

and Bastille!
=C2=A0





-- 
Mario.






-- 
Mario.


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Hello,

After I copied data to /data and portsnap fetch extract filled 
/usr/ports I get:


# zfs list /usr/ports
NAME                 USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
zroot/ROOT/default  1.49G   202G     1.49G  /

# ls -l /usr/ports
total 0

# zfs list /data
NAME                 USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
zroot/ROOT/default  1.49G   202G     1.49G  /

ls -l /data
total 0



zfs list shows data in plce but ls shows nothing.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong ?

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
> Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed
> by any capable admin, granted.

And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.
One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface.
The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)



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On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 12:25:07 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote:
> mount /dev/ada1p2 /mnt/newsys
> cd /mnt/newsys
> dump -0 -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f -
> 
> However... this is a running system, which seems unlikely to produce
> a consistent result.

Just a little trick:

	# cd /mnt/newsys
	# dump -Lauf0 - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -rf -

On a running system, using -L is never wrong. But if
you can, unmount /dev/ada0p2 (source partition), or
at least have it mounted read-only.



> There are only 2 sata slots on the mobo, so I can't mount a third
> system, although I might be able to build a memstick and use that.

Or a "USB converter" for SATA disks.



> Can I reboot in a read-only manner and do the above?

You _should_ do that. But dump's -L flag works, too.



> Never done that, not sure what's involved.
> Is single-user mode sufficient?

Not just sufficient, it's actually _recommended_.
Have as few interfering parts as possible.




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From: Polytropon 
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:50:41 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote:
> On 4/15/23 13:47, John Levine wrote:
> > It appears that Gary Aitken  said:
> >> of fbsd in such cases), wanted to see if the following is a good way
> >> to copy the old disk to the new one.
> >>
> >> mount /dev/ada1p2 /mnt/newsys
> >> cd /mnt/newsys
> >> dump -0 -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f -
> >>
> >> However... this is a running system, which seems unlikely to produce
> >> a consistent result.
> > 
> > I'd shut down to single user, make a /.snap directory, and do dump -L
> > to tell it to make a snapshot before dumping.  That should work OK.
> 
> Thanks.
> (Needed to mount /tmp read-write)
> The -L didn't work because boot -s mounted the filesystem read-only;
> at least that's what it claimed:
> 
> dump -0 -L -f - /dev/ada0p2 | restore -r -Dv -f -
> Verify tape and initialize maps
>    DUMP: WARNING: -L ignored for read-only filesystem

That is correct: -L is used to make a "runtime snapshot"
of a filesystem that could be subject to changes, i. e.
to writes.



> Not sure I understand that;
> does -s normally start in read-only mode?

Yes. Single-user mode starts the system with the root
partition / mounted read-only, and all other partitions
not mounted at all. If you have "one big /", this will
also apply. If you have separate /tmp, /var, /usr, /opt,
/home etc. partitions, you need to fsck and then mount
them manually, after "mount -wu /".



> Has it always done that?  It's been quite a while since I did that.

Yes, as far as I remember, and I remember since 4.0. ;-)



> In any case, I let the dump|restore go through, and it seems to have
> been successful.  Booted into the restored system and running it now;
> smartctl short test ok and doing long now.

Excellent!



> It looks like the bad blocks/sectors were files in
>    /var/db/freebsd-update/files/xxx.gz
> I unzipped a file in that directory and it appears that they are the
> saved files from the old system when upgrading.  Is that correct?
> Any reason not to remove all files in
>    /var/db/freebsd-update/files
> since the upgraded to 12.x system has been running for several months
> now?

Those seem to be temporary files belonging to the
updating program. There's probably nothing wrong
with deleting them, as if they are needed, then
freebsd-update would fetch or generate them anyway.





-- 
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From: Mario Marietto 
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Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker has been
and it is a great tool. I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily based
on the code's sophistication. But hey,who says that this is enough to
decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical mass of
people ? Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many others.
Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude an
excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to use (and
this seems to be a contradiction). For sure I don't want to import in the
FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where developers prefer
to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease of
use. I don't want that tool to think for me. I use my PC to train my mind
to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too complicated,I
can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how the development of
a tool is going. I know that many will disagree,but each operating system
has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a
certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins. Linux seems
to be the middle ground between ease of use and a certain amount of
complication in solving the problems it brings with it. Windows bores me
because it has too low a complexity level. FreeBSD has lagged in the
adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this makes it
intuitive to understand how to use it. If you don't want to adapt docker to
FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable and immediate
for users who don't have much experience.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon  wrote=
:

> On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
> > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed
> > by any capable admin, granted.
>
> And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.
> One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
> for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface.
> The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
> contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
> and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
>
>

--=20
Mario.

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Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons wh=
y docker has been and it is a great tool. I may agree that these reasons ar=
en't heavily based on the code=
's sophistication. But hey,who says that this is enough to decide if a tool is useful and capable =
of reaching the critical mass of people ? Docker can be used by non-=
skilled people,like me and many others. Jails are good,technically well cod=
ed,but less known,they exude an ex=
cessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to use (and t=
his seems to be a contradiction). For sure I don't want to impor=
t in the FreeBSD ecosystem tools l=
ike there are in windows, where developers prefer to sacrifice too much tec=
hnicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease of use. I don't wan=
t that tool to think for me. I use my PC to train my mind to solve problems=
 every day,but if those problems are too complicated,I can't solve anyt=
hing and I can't help no one to test how the development of a tool is g=
oing. I know that many will disagree,but each operating system has strengths and weaknesses because whoever c=
reates it comes from a certain cultural background and has fed them since i=
ts origins. Linux seems to be the middle ground between ease of use and a c=
ertain amount of complication in solving the problems it brings with it. Wi=
ndows bores me because it has too low a complexity level. FreeBSD has lagge=
d in the adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this mak=
es it intuitive to understand how to use it. If you don't want to adapt=
 docker to FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable an=
d immediate for users who don't have much experience. 

=

On Mon, Ap=
r 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wro=
te:

> Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed
> by any capable admin, granted.



And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.

One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things

for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface.

The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a

contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,

and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)







-- 

Polytropon

Magdeburg, Germany

Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0

Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...






-- 
Mario.


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On 4/17/23 8:07 AM, Mario Marietto wrote:
> Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker has 
> been and it is a great tool. I may agree that these reasons aren't 
> heavily based on the code's sophistication. But hey,who says that this 
> is enough to decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the 
> critical mass of people ? Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like 
> me and many others. Jails are good,technically well coded,but less 
> known,they exude an excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is 
> more immediate to use (and this seems to be a contradiction). For sure I 
> don't want to import in the FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in 
> windows, where developers prefer to sacrifice too much technicality in 
> exchange to an exaggerated ease of use. I don't want that tool to think 
> for me. I use my PC to train my mind to solve problems every day,but if 
> those problems are too complicated,I can't solve anything and I can't 
> help no one to test how the development of a tool is going. I know that 
> many will disagree,but each operating system has strengths and 
> weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a certain cultural 
> background and has fed them since its origins. Linux seems to be the 
> middle ground between ease of use and a certain amount of complication 
> in solving the problems it brings with it. Windows bores me because it 
> has too low a complexity level. FreeBSD has lagged in the adoption of 
> several technologies that came into linux and this makes it intuitive to 
> understand how to use it. If you don't want to adapt docker to FreeBSD, 
> at least the use of jails should be made more usable and immediate for 
> users who don't have much experience.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33 PM Polytropon  > wrote:
> 
>     On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
>      > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be distributed
>      > by any capable admin, granted.
> 
>     And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.
>     One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
>     for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web interface.
>     The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
>     contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
>     and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Polytropon
>     Magdeburg, Germany
>     Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
>     Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mario.

I agree both with you, Mario, and Polytropon. Docker can be used by 
unskilled person. But with the same potential results as when unskilled 
person builds car for oneself. The only reason why to the contrary to 
car falling apart on unskilled person who built it oneself, I do not 
much care about the results of unskilled person using docker. For cars 
we share roads, and someone else may get hurt. But in case of docker: if 
you don't know what you are doing, it will be only you who can get hurt. 
So, suite yourself.

Apologies if it sounds impolite. Just reiterating old truth: the result 
is worth as much as the effort and skill put into obtaining it.

Valeri

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I have done the 5.7 to 8.0 upgrade on other systems without trouble, and th=
e MySQL docs explain how to do it. Of course  I do a zfs snapshot before th=
e upgrade, but it normally works. Something is strange here but I do not kn=
ow what.

Please consider the environment before reading this message.
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com

> On Apr 17, 2023, at 02:33, Dan Mahoney  wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
>> On Apr 16, 2023, at 8:12 PM, John Levine  wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to upgrade my fbsd 13.1 system from MySQL 5.7 to 8.0. So I
>> shut down 5.7 cleanly, install the 8.0 package, start if up, and it
>> consistently crashes somwehere in the upgrade process. I don't think
>> there is anything very odd about my setup other than perhaps I set it
>> to put each innodb database in a separate directory.
>>
>> I realize I could dump everything, install 8.0 from scratch, and
>> restore it all, but I have a lot of databases and that would be
>> painful so it would be really nice if I could get the upgrade to work.
>>
>> R's,
>> John
>
> In the postgres world, we=E2=80=99re used to getting warnings from pkg ab=
out having to do a full dump and restore every time we make a major version=
 jump.  Maybe that=E2=80=99s advised here.
>
> -Dan
>
>>
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.6NZ mysqld_safe Logging to '/var/mysql/gal.iecc.com.=
err'.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.6NZ mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with database=
s from /var/mysql
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.933341Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DA=
TE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be=
 used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future re=
lease.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.936708Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server] /usr/local/l=
ibexec/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.32) starting as process 18731
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.961932Z 1 [System] [MY-011012] [Server] Starting upg=
rade of data directory.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:12.962004Z 1 [System] [MY-013576] [InnoDB] InnoDB initi=
alization has started.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:24.136645Z 1 [System] [MY-013577] [InnoDB] InnoDB initi=
alization has ended.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:28Z UTC - mysqld got signal 11 ;
>> Most likely, you have hit a bug, but this error can also be caused by ma=
lfunctioning hardware.
>> Thread pointer: 0x81715e800
>> Attempting backtrace. You can use the following information to find out
>> where mysqld died. If you see no messages after this, something went
>> terribly wrong...
>> [0x2371c88] +0x0
>> [0x2371dcb] +0x0
>> [0x8036d3580] _pthread_sigmask+0x540
>> [0x8036d2b3f] _pthread_setschedparam+0x82f
>> [0x7ffffffff2d3] +0x82f
>> [0x30aa132] +0x82f
>> [0x30a8a8d] +0x82f
>> [0x2f73f62] +0x82f
>> [0x30b1bd9] +0x82f
>> [0x2ed1107] +0x82f
>> [0x2ecd314] +0x82f
>> [0x2ecdf04] +0x82f
>> [0x2ec8128] +0x82f
>> [0x1fc4ba5] +0x82f
>> [0x330b322] +0x82f
>> [0x8036c983a] _pthread_create+0x8ca
>> [0x0] +0x8ca
>> stack_bottom =3D 7fffdc0dceb8 thread_stack 0x100000
>> 0x2ef49be <_Z19my_print_stacktracePKhm+0x10e> at /usr/local/libexec/mysq=
ld
>> 0x2371c88 <_Z18print_fatal_signali+0x268> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x2371dcb  at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x8036d3580  at /lib/libthr.so.3
>> 0x8036d2b3f  at /lib/libthr.so.3
>> 0x7ffffffff2d3  at ???
>> 0x30aa132 <_Z15dict_load_tablePKcb17dict_err_ignore_tPKNSt3__112basic_st=
ringIcNS2_11char_traitsIcEENS2_9allocatorIcEEEE+0x17c2> at /usr/local/libex=
ec/mysqld
>> 0x30a8a8d <_Z15dict_load_tablePKcb17dict_err_ignore_tPKNSt3__112basic_st=
ringIcNS2_11char_traitsIcEENS2_9allocatorIcEEEE+0x11d> at /usr/local/libexe=
c/mysqld
>> 0x2f73f62 <_Z23dict_table_open_on_namePKcbb17dict_err_ignore_t+0x272> at=
 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x30b1bd9 <_Z16dd_upgrade_tableP3THDPKcS2_PN2dd5TableEP5TABLE+0x129> at =
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x2ed1107 <_ZN20malloc_unordered_setINSt3__112basic_stringIcNS0_11char_t=
raitsIcEENS0_9allocatorIcEEEENS0_4hashIS6_EENS0_8equal_toIS6_EEEC2Ej+0x7c7>=
 at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x2ecd314 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5726migrate_plugin_table_to_ddEP3THD+0x2554> =
at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x2ecdf04 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5721migrate_all_frm_to_ddEP3THDPKcb+0x7c4> at=
 /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x2ec8128 <_ZN2dd10upgrade_5720fill_dd_and_finalizeEP3THD+0x118> at /usr=
/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x1fc4ba5 <_ZN9bootstrap20run_bootstrap_threadEPKcP10MYSQL_FILEPFbP3THDE=
16enum_thread_type+0x5a5> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>> 0x330b322 <_Z19pfs_spawn_thread_vcjjP16my_thread_handlePKP12pthread_attr=
PFPvS5_ES5_+0x2a2> at /usr/local/libexec/mysqld
>>
>> Trying to get some variables.
>> Some pointers may be invalid and cause the dump to abort.
>> Query (0):
>> Connection ID (thread ID): 2
>> Status: NOT_KILLED
>>
>> The manual page at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/crashing.html conta=
ins
>> information that should help you find out what is causing the crash.
>> 2023-04-16T18:46:29.6NZ mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/mysql/gal.=
iecc.com.pid ended
>

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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:03:13 +0000
Hosney Osman  wrote:

> Hi all.
> My point of view is
> We need to develop freebsd and make every thing available in freebsd to
> be able compit with linux My point of view is freebsd deserve to be the

	There is a false assumption embedded there - I don't think that
anyone in the FreeBSD core wants to compete with Linux, Windows or anything
else. Based purely on my experience of FreeBSD over the last thirty years
they are far more interested in providing a world class *unix* on commodity
hardware and they're doing a *great* job of it IMHO.

	There's more than a little truth in the old saw:

If you hate Windows: Linux
If you love unix: BSD

	Personally I'm happy with that, not that it makes any difference.

> best distribution to be used in server edition Lets create road map for
> FreeBSD development lets port everything from linux And we need our own
> invitation technology

	Throw in everything from Windows, OS-X and Z-OS while you're at it
if you want to make the ultimate do-everything OS then you could probably
do a lot worse than starting with FreeBSD but expect to need to do a lot of
work that nobody is currently doing, which means expect to need to create a
new project and developer pool to get the job done because these are not
the goals of the FreeBSD project or any other project currently in
existence.

	Go for it, it's a free world. When there's something set up come
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-- 
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:29:09 -0400
Valeri Galtsev  wrote:

> I agree both with you, Mario, and Polytropon. Docker can be used by 
> unskilled person. But with the same potential results as when unskilled 
> person builds car for oneself. The only reason why to the contrary to 
> car falling apart on unskilled person who built it oneself, I do not 
> much care about the results of unskilled person using docker.

	I tend to think of Docker and Kubernetes as the Lego of system
engineering. Provided you're dealing with well defined, well behaved
components the ability to string them together into large scale
applications without worrying about the fine details is a great thing. Just
like Lego you don't need to understand how the motor works, or what the
processor module uses for a bus you just hook them together and depend on
them being engineered well enough to cope. This is what underpins a great
deal of the modern web/social media/cloud infrastructure so it can't be as
anarchic a mess as some think it is - or perhaps it is - but it does work
well enough to hold up huge five nines sites.

	I would hate to try and administer thousands of servers in a
complex scalable layered client/server system using FreeBSD jails and
native or ports tools. It might be possible but it would be a lot of work
by many skilled admins even using things like Puppet or Ansible to help.
With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of thing
with rather fewer and less skilled admins.

	That being said I don't do that so I don't want those tools and
if I did I know where to find them.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 

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How is it hard for you to agree with the adoption of docker / kubernetes
for the masses even if you will never use it ? Is it hard to think of
developing something that will produce benefits for someone and in a
certain sense for FreeBSD in general,even if you will never use it ? I
think that if you love something (or someone),you should be ready to make
other people happy and their happiness will be your happiness. You don't
like tools created using the lego system engineering ? ok don't use them.
But you can't deny that these kinds of tools have some advantages.
Accepting this assumption means to have a pragmatic mindset. To be too much
focused on fine details is a sort of exaggeration like a lot of other ones.
And in general,every exaggeration produces negative effects.


On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 2:53=E2=80=AFPM Steve O'Hara-Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:29:09 -0400
> Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
> > I agree both with you, Mario, and Polytropon. Docker can be used by
> > unskilled person. But with the same potential results as when unskilled
> > person builds car for oneself. The only reason why to the contrary to
> > car falling apart on unskilled person who built it oneself, I do not
> > much care about the results of unskilled person using docker.
>
>         I tend to think of Docker and Kubernetes as the Lego of system
> engineering. Provided you're dealing with well defined, well behaved
> components the ability to string them together into large scale
> applications without worrying about the fine details is a great thing. Ju=
st
> like Lego you don't need to understand how the motor works, or what the
> processor module uses for a bus you just hook them together and depend on
> them being engineered well enough to cope. This is what underpins a great
> deal of the modern web/social media/cloud infrastructure so it can't be a=
s
> anarchic a mess as some think it is - or perhaps it is - but it does work
> well enough to hold up huge five nines sites.
>
>         I would hate to try and administer thousands of servers in a
> complex scalable layered client/server system using FreeBSD jails and
> native or ports tools. It might be possible but it would be a lot of work
> by many skilled admins even using things like Puppet or Ansible to help.
> With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of thing
> with rather fewer and less skilled admins.
>
>         That being said I don't do that so I don't want those tools and
> if I did I know where to find them.
>
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith 
>
>

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How is it hard for you to agree with the adoption of docke=
r / kubernetes for the masses even if you will never use it ? Is it hard to=
 think of developing something that will produce benefits for someone and i=
n a certain sense for FreeBSD in general,even if you will never use it ? I =
think that if you love something (or someone),you should be ready to make o=
ther people happy and their happiness will be your happiness. You don't=
 like tools created using the lego system engineering ? ok don't use th=
em. But you can't deny that these kinds of tools have some advantages. =
Accepting this assumption means to have a pragmatic mindset. To be too much=
 focused on fine details is a sort of exaggeration like a lot of other ones=
. And in general,every exaggeration produces negative effects. 

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 2:53=E2=80=AFPM Steve O'Hara-Smith <<=
a href=3D"mailto:steve@sohara.org">steve@sohara.org> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:2=
9:09 -0400

Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:



> I agree both with you, Mario, and Polytropon. Docker can be used by 
> unskilled person. But with the same potential results as when unskille=
d 

> person builds car for oneself. The only reason why to the contrary to =


> car falling apart on unskilled person who built it oneself, I do not <=
br>
> much care about the results of unskilled person using docker.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I tend to think of Docker and Kubernetes as the=
 Lego of system

engineering. Provided you're dealing with well defined, well behaved
components the ability to string them together into large scale

applications without worrying about the fine details is a great thing. Just=


like Lego you don't need to understand how the motor works, or what the=


processor module uses for a bus you just hook them together and depend on
them being engineered well enough to cope. This is what underpins a great
deal of the modern web/social media/cloud infrastructure so it can't be=
 as

anarchic a mess as some think it is - or perhaps it is - but it does work
well enough to hold up huge five nines sites.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would hate to try and administer thousands of=
 servers in a

complex scalable layered client/server system using FreeBSD jails and

native or ports tools. It might be possible but it would be a lot of work
by many skilled admins even using things like Puppet or Ansible to help.
With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of thing
with rather fewer and less skilled admins.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That being said I don't do that so I don=
9;t want those tools and

if I did I know where to find them.



-- 

Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>






-- 
Mario.


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On 17-04-2023 12:31, ICT builder wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> After I copied data to /data and portsnap fetch extract filled 
> /usr/ports I get:
> 
> 
> # zfs list /usr/ports
> NAME                 USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
> zroot/ROOT/default  1.49G   202G     1.49G  /
[snip]


> zfs list shows data in plce but ls shows nothing.
> 
> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong ?

I already got it solved;

my /etc/rc.conf was lacking:
zfs_enable="YES"

Oops, sorry for unneeded noise ...


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On 4/16/23 23:10, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> Believe it or not Tim, I do agree with you on a lot your points.
> 
> However, in the hey-day of BSD based derivatives, I saw a lot of the issues.  I laughed on the Hotmail transition.  A 10x transition to NT4 machines...

You and me both
> 
> Well, I've been in hundreds and seen more than just one.

> AWS does have FreeBSD as does Azure.
> 

Yeah, someone else pointed that out as well. I stand - well, sit - corrected.

> And you're right, I know what the reality is.  I live the delusion that some day.... we'll go back to code optimization and proper methodologies instead of throwing hardware at it.

I am so on your side about this particular point.  Agile, Scrum, and driving product teams
is a fine way to do new feature exploration and/or get fast user feedback on
the UX experience.  It's a terrible way to engineer complex server and
platform systems.  The cool kids seem to think you can avoid waterfall specification
entirely and just inch their way into solutions.  They end up reimplementing things
over and over to get it right and usually end up missing non-functional requirements
like speed, scale, security, and recoverability. The result is code bloat and people
hacking their way through complex systems rather than planning their way.



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On 4/16/23 23:57, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> hat messed up the once beautiful logical and coherent IT world

With over 40 years in the tech business, I can say with confidence
that this never actually existed.  The closest we ever came
to this was the "logical and coherent" world of IBM mainframes.

While Unix existed fairly early on, commercial adoption of
Microsoft operating systems took place years before Unix hit
the mainstream.

It is also worth nothing that Microsoft OSs are really two
things tightly bound together: The kernel and the UI.
The kernel is quite good  these days.  The UI is garbage.

Steve Cutler - the guy who designed the framework for the
modern kernel starting with NT - was a first class kernel
designed who gave us VMS on DEC machines.  If you want
to know why the kernel and UI are so tightly coupled,
read "Showstopper", his book on how NT was brought to
life.  It's a great read, however dated.

P.S. Apple also insists on gluing their UI to the kernel
but at least they don't change their UIs and workflows
every 10 minutes ...

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On 4/17/23 05:04, Miguel C wrote:
> have in fact run docker in virtualbox long ago... spoiler performance is horrible

That has not been my experience at all.  Modern virtualization technology
like VirtualBox and VMWare impose an almost unnoticeable burden on
performance, at least for the stuff I've tried - admittedly this was for
development work only.  I found docker on VirtualBox to be a quite pleasant experience.
You do have to have sufficient memory and CPU if you're going to run
significant workloads in both the host and VMs, though.

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On 4/17/23 07:52, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of thing
> with rather fewer and less skilled admins.

I agree with the spirit of your point but not that last bit.  We do want
to get to the point where we can "treat servers like cattle" but
docker and K8s don't really do that on their own.  You have to do a ton
of engineering to make that environment deployable, scaleable, self-annealing,
observable, etc.

Some years ago, I worked at a place where we brought a brand new
mission critical system up on K8s.  This was a high complexity
application with lots of legacy integration corner cases.  We
implemented it in 8 months and then spent another 5 months
hardening.  The tuning and hardening of the K8s and cloud environment
it runs on continue to this day.

It's easy to experiment and fiddle around with docker, it's much
harder to build industrial grade solutions.  Docker doesn't absolve
us of the engineering discipline required to build really complex
systems.  Then again, no technology or process and eliminate
thoughtful engineering ...


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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 08:58:25 -0500
Tim Daneliuk  wrote:

> On 4/16/23 23:57, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> > hat messed up the once beautiful logical and coherent IT world
> 
> With over 40 years in the tech business, I can say with confidence
> that this never actually existed.  The closest we ever came
> to this was the "logical and coherent" world of IBM mainframes.

	I recall one project where used of SSADM was mandated for the
entire project. The "user acceptance" document was a stack of paper about
three feet high, in order to read the thing it was necessary to spread the
pages out five at a time. I was less than half an inch down the document
when I gave up as I was drowning in inconsistencies (I wasn't expected to
sign off on it) three days later we got a sign off on it. That was
waterfall done badly wrong.

	On another connected project we were allowed to go our own way and
do it right, while a team of 'analysts' reverse documented the project as
though we had designed it using SSADM - they had difficulty with some parts
as their tools were insufficiently expressive to describe the solution we
built. That was hacking round the deficiencies of waterfall done badly
wrong.

	There is a great deal to be said for the core principle of agile,
iterative development with constant feedback can be *very* effective at
avoiding many common pitfalls with large projects. Wrapping this simple and
effective principle in a dogma of two week cycles, everybody in the team
can do everything and so forth is less effective and if it is done without
understanding of the core principles and how to use them effectively to
achieve an understood result it becomes an ordered path to chaos. The
quickest way to chaos is to use it to avoid understanding the problem. The
quickest way to success is to use it when you understand enough of the
problem to be useful but not enough to be perfect because nobody has
sufficient imagination. You still have to get the core right!

	The common point where any methodology fails is when those using it
fail to realise that it is a tool for achieving a result and not a goal in
itself. If it gets in the way and doesn't help it's the wrong tool, this is
not cured by getting increasingly doctrinal about it.

-- 
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:10:16 -0500
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> On 4/17/23 07:52, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> > With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of
> > thing with rather fewer and less skilled admins.
> 
> I agree with the spirit of your point but not that last bit.  We do want
> to get to the point where we can "treat servers like cattle" but
> docker and K8s don't really do that on their own.  You have to do a ton
> of engineering to make that environment deployable, scaleable,
> self-annealing, observable, etc.

	I agree - but it is a ton less work than doing it without them.

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On 17 April 2023 10:07:17 pm AEST, Mario Marietto  wrote:

 > Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker
 > has been
 > and it is a great tool=2E

If you mean Polytropon, my take is that you've missed that he's skillfully=
 using a tool called "damning with faint praise"=2E

 > I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily
 > based on the code's sophistication=2E

Parsing failure; pass=2E

 > But hey,who says that this is enough to
 > decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical mass
 > of people ?

Ah, "critical mass" theory=2E  Meaningless unless seeking a nuclear explos=
ion=2E

 > Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many
 > others=2E

Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of non-s=
killed users for the sake of a larger number to wave around=2E  I suspect m=
ost would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a competition; we're=
 not selling anything, right?

If you wish to see anything implemented in FreeBSD you have the choice of =
doing it yourself, or paying somebody else to create, debug and maintain it=
=2E

Continually arguing that someone ELSE should implement YOUR vision is clea=
rly going nowhere=2E  Nor will claiming there is some mob of silent users w=
hose views you are championing cut any ice=2E

 > Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude an
 > excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to
 > use (and
 > this seems to be a contradiction)=2E

WTF does 'exude excessive technicality' mean?  That you haven't read the d=
ocs?

 > For sure I don't want to import in the
 > FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where developers
 > prefer
 > to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease
 > of
 > use=2E I don't want that tool to think for me=2E I use my PC to train m=
y
 > mind
 > to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too
 > complicated,I
 > can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how the
 > development of
 > a tool is going=2E

Indigestible word salad=2E  Burp=2E

 > I know that many will disagree,but each operating
 > system
 > has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a
 > certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins=2E

You're talking about thousands of people over 40 years or so in BSD's case=
=2E  Try studying the history more deeply=2E

 > FreeBSD has lagged in the
 > adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this makes
 > it
 > intuitive to understand how to use it=2E

And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start=2E=
  Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can use =
from Linux=2E

 > If you don't want to adapt docker to
 > FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable and
 > immediate
 > for users who don't have much experience=2E

Once YOU become experienced in their use, YOU can help make them 'more usa=
ble' for those with perhaps limited capacity to understand - but please sto=
p suggesting OTHERS work on YOUR stuff=2E


 > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon =
 wrote:
 >=20
 > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
 > > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be
 > distributed
 > > > by any capable admin, granted=2E
 > >
 > > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people=2E
 > > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
 > > for you, included thinking=2E The other side is a shiny web
 > interface=2E
 > > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
 > > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
 > > and maybe the illusion of stability=2E ;-)

Amen=2E

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From: Mario Marietto 
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 18:58:18 +0200
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---> Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of
non-skilled users for the sake of a larger number to wave around.  I
suspect most would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a
competition; we're not selling anything, right?

Non-skilled users may become skilled if you make something they like to
join the game. Between the non skilled users there could be potenzial
skilled users and skilled users. If you want to attract users you have only
to earn. If you don't want to, you will have a system that will be used by
a small number of users with a low level of innovation ; a system that is
always going to die. You don't have to deal with the non skilled users if
you don't want to waste your time. Someone else maybe will help them or
will find some kind of collaboration with them. Just think about the fact
that FreeBSD needs more skilled developers to become better. Now there are
not so many and in different areas of the OS the development is slow,if not
stalled. You don't seem to love the OS if you want this kind of path for
it.

 > FreeBSD has lagged in the adoption of several technologies that came
into linux and this makes it intuitive to understand how to use it. And
Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start.  Sadly
the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can use from
Linux.

Interesting. So,these are the reasons why you don't want linuxism to join
FreeBSD,eh. You are angry and you don't care to look into the Linux world
to see what this OS can offer to FreeBSD to improve it. That's bad. You
should care only to get FreeBSD developed well. And since the Linux world
is full of innovation,it's not a bad idea to have a better relationship
with that world. What other people have done or not you should give a damn.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM Ian Smith  wr=
ote:

> On 17 April 2023 10:07:17 pm AEST, Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
>
>  > Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why docker
>  > has been
>  > and it is a great tool.
>
> If you mean Polytropon, my take is that you've missed that he's skillfull=
y
> using a tool called "damning with faint praise".
>
>  > I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily
>  > based on the code's sophistication.
>
> Parsing failure; pass.
>
>  > But hey,who says that this is enough to
>  > decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical mass
>  > of people ?
>
> Ah, "critical mass" theory.  Meaningless unless seeking a nuclear
> explosion.
>
>  > Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many
>  > others.
>
> Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of
> non-skilled users for the sake of a larger number to wave around.  I
> suspect most would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a
> competition; we're not selling anything, right?
>
> If you wish to see anything implemented in FreeBSD you have the choice of
> doing it yourself, or paying somebody else to create, debug and maintain =
it.
>
> Continually arguing that someone ELSE should implement YOUR vision is
> clearly going nowhere.  Nor will claiming there is some mob of silent use=
rs
> whose views you are championing cut any ice.
>
>  > Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude an
>  > excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate to
>  > use (and
>  > this seems to be a contradiction).
>
> WTF does 'exude excessive technicality' mean?  That you haven't read the
> docs?
>
>  > For sure I don't want to import in the
>  > FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where developers
>  > prefer
>  > to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated ease
>  > of
>  > use. I don't want that tool to think for me. I use my PC to train my
>  > mind
>  > to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too
>  > complicated,I
>  > can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how the
>  > development of
>  > a tool is going.
>
> Indigestible word salad.  Burp.
>
>  > I know that many will disagree,but each operating
>  > system
>  > has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes from a
>  > certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins.
>
> You're talking about thousands of people over 40 years or so in BSD's
> case.  Try studying the history more deeply.
>
>  > FreeBSD has lagged in the
>  > adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this makes
>  > it
>  > intuitive to understand how to use it.
>
> And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start.
> Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can use
> from Linux.
>
>  > If you don't want to adapt docker to
>  > FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable and
>  > immediate
>  > for users who don't have much experience.
>
> Once YOU become experienced in their use, YOU can help make them 'more
> usable' for those with perhaps limited capacity to understand - but pleas=
e
> stop suggesting OTHERS work on YOUR stuff.
>
>
>  > On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon  =
wrote:
>  >
>  > > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
>  > > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can be
>  > distributed
>  > > > by any capable admin, granted.
>  > >
>  > > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled people.
>  > > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do things
>  > > for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web
>  > interface.
>  > > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can make a
>  > > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, support,
>  > > and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)
>
> Amen.
>


--=20
Mario.

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---> Many FreeBSD =
users are clearly not looking to increase the number of=20
non-skilled users for the sake of a larger number to wave around.=C2=A0 I=
=20
suspect most would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a=20
competition; we're not selling anything, right?

Non-skilled users may become skilled if you make something they like to j=
oin the game. Between the non skilled users there could be potenzial skille=
d users and skilled users. If you want to attract users you have only to ea=
rn. If you don't want to, you will have a system that will be used by a=
 small number of users with a low level of innovation ; a system that is al=
ways going to die. You don't have to deal with the non skilled users if=
 you don't want to waste your time. Someone else maybe will help them o=
r will find some kind of collaboration with them. Just think about the fact=
 that FreeBSD needs more skilled developers to become better. Now there are=
 not so many and in different areas of the OS the development is slow,if no=
t stalled. You don't seem to love the OS if you want this kind of path =
for it. 



=C2=A0> FreeBSD has lagged in the adoption of several technologies that =
came into linux and this makes it intuitive to understand how to use it. And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the=20
start.=C2=A0 Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BS=
Ds
 can use from Linux.

Interesting=
. So,these are the reasons why you don't want linuxism to join FreeBSD,=
eh. You are angry and you don't care to look into the Linux world to se=
e what this OS can offer to FreeBSD to improve it. That's bad. You shou=
ld care only to get FreeBSD=
 developed well. And since the Linux world is full of innovation,it's n=
ot a bad idea to have a better relationship with that world. What other peo=
ple have done or not you should give a damn. 

On Mon, Apr 1=
7, 2023 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
On 17 April 2023 10:07:17 pm AEST, Mario Marietto=
 <marietto20=
08@gmail.com> wrote:



=C2=A0> Ohhh finally someone has been able to catch the reasons why dock=
er

=C2=A0> has been

=C2=A0> and it is a great tool.



If you mean Polytropon, my take is that you've missed that he's ski=
llfully using a tool called "damning with faint praise".



=C2=A0> I may agree that these reasons aren't heavily

=C2=A0> based on the code's sophistication.



Parsing failure; pass.



=C2=A0> But hey,who says that this is enough to

=C2=A0> decide if a tool is useful and capable of reaching the critical =
mass

=C2=A0> of people ?



Ah, "critical mass" theory.=C2=A0 Meaningless unless seeking a nu=
clear explosion.



=C2=A0> Docker can be used by non-skilled people,like me and many

=C2=A0> others.



Many FreeBSD users are clearly not looking to increase the number of non-sk=
illed users for the sake of a larger number to wave around.=C2=A0 I suspect=
 most would prefer to raise the average IQ, but it's not a competition;=
 we're not selling anything, right?



If you wish to see anything implemented in FreeBSD you have the choice of d=
oing it yourself, or paying somebody else to create, debug and maintain it.=




Continually arguing that someone ELSE should implement YOUR vision is clear=
ly going nowhere.=C2=A0 Nor will claiming there is some mob of silent users=
 whose views you are championing cut any ice.



=C2=A0> Jails are good,technically well coded,but less known,they exude =
an

=C2=A0> excessive technicality, unlike FreeBSD, which is more immediate =
to

=C2=A0> use (and

=C2=A0> this seems to be a contradiction).



WTF does 'exude excessive technicality' mean?=C2=A0 That you haven&=
#39;t read the docs?



=C2=A0> For sure I don't want to import in the

=C2=A0> FreeBSD ecosystem tools like there are in windows, where develop=
ers

=C2=A0> prefer

=C2=A0> to sacrifice too much technicality in exchange to an exaggerated=
 ease

=C2=A0> of

=C2=A0> use. I don't want that tool to think for me. I use my PC to =
train my

=C2=A0> mind

=C2=A0> to solve problems every day,but if those problems are too

=C2=A0> complicated,I

=C2=A0> can't solve anything and I can't help no one to test how=
 the

=C2=A0> development of

=C2=A0> a tool is going.



Indigestible word salad.=C2=A0 Burp.



=C2=A0> I know that many will disagree,but each operating

=C2=A0> system

=C2=A0> has strengths and weaknesses because whoever creates it comes fr=
om a

=C2=A0> certain cultural background and has fed them since its origins.<=
br>


You're talking about thousands of people over 40 years or so in BSD'=
;s case.=C2=A0 Try studying the history more deeply.



=C2=A0> FreeBSD has lagged in the

=C2=A0> adoption of several technologies that came into linux and this m=
akes

=C2=A0> it

=C2=A0> intuitive to understand how to use it.



And Linux has benefited enormously from BSD technologies from the start.=C2=
=A0 Sadly the viral GNU licence, especially v3, limits what the BSDs can us=
e from Linux.



=C2=A0> If you don't want to adapt docker to

=C2=A0> FreeBSD, at least the use of jails should be made more usable an=
d

=C2=A0> immediate

=C2=A0> for users who don't have much experience.



Once YOU become experienced in their use, YOU can help make them 'more =
usable' for those with perhaps limited capacity to understand - but ple=
ase stop suggesting OTHERS work on YOUR stuff.





=C2=A0> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 1:33=E2=80=AFPM Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wro=
te:

=C2=A0> 

=C2=A0> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:28:55 +0200, Michael Grimm wrote:
=C2=A0> > > Jails are simple to set up and to use, and jails can b=
e

=C2=A0> distributed

=C2=A0> > > by any capable admin, granted.

=C2=A0> >

=C2=A0> > And _that_ is the point: Docker can be used by non-skilled =
people.

=C2=A0> > One side of this is the use of automation tools that do thi=
ngs

=C2=A0> > for you, included thinking. The other side is a shiny web
=C2=A0> interface.

=C2=A0> > The third side is a profit-oriented company that you can ma=
ke a

=C2=A0> > contract with and pay money to, in exchange for service, su=
pport,

=C2=A0> > and maybe the illusion of stability. ;-)



Amen.




-- 
Mario.


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On 4/17/23 09:38, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> The common point where any methodology fails is when those using it
> fail to realise that it is a tool for achieving a result and not a goal in
> itself. If it gets in the way and doesn't help it's the wrong tool, this is
> not cured by getting increasingly doctrinal about it.

+1

I believe that agile is a useful implementation strategy (and use it all
the time), but it's not great at developing the initial requirements.
It leads to agile teams getting halfway down the delivery cycle and
then suddenly discovering everything they've done has to be rewritten
to become event-driven or some similarly large miss of expectations.

I prefer waterfall discovery of requirements and agile implementations.
It doesn't have to be perfect or 100% complete, but it's shocking
how many waterfall discoveries stall, not because of process
limitations, but because the stakeholders haven't agreed on
desired outcomes (aka the "mission").  In this sense, waterfall
requirements gathering forces people to declare *what* they want
fully enough to build a first instance.  *How* it gets build is
very much a beneficiary of agile methodologies.

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On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
> most would prefer to raise the average IQ

As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have 0% probability of happening ;)

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 ROFL.
Personally, I haven't see it yet.=C2=A0 Again, I hated getting a CS degree.=
=C2=A0 It was hell on wheels and kept running me over.=C2=A0 The incredible=
 amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.Then, I got out in the 'real wor=
ld'.=C2=A0 I was thoroughly shocked at how people casually threw aside crit=
ical thinking, design, implementation, project planning, software engineeri=
ng paradigms, and started to 'program' 10 years after I got out.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
I would look at simple scripts for error checking and proper 'results retur=
n' from function... NOTHING.=C2=A0 "Well, it's just a script, who cares?"
Problem... it carried into their programming practices as well.=C2=A0=C2=A0
Heck, when I was looking at the Assembler functions of two chips (had to be=
 able to learn pointers and registers etc if you were going to use K&R C) i=
n our Assembler class.=C2=A0 One was just plain horrible and the other was =
almost magical in the way it worked..... Professor asked which was superior=
... 'magical one'.... "Yes, that's Motorola's 68000 series".....=C2=A0 "Pro=
fessor, what's the junky one?"=C2=A0 "Oh that's iNtel...."=C2=A0 Look at wh=
ere we are now?
Sometimes, people think due to market share and advertising, that something=
 is superior.=C2=A0 However, when you have a solid knowledge base (I can't =
possibly explain to people how many times 'THEORY' has come to my rescue to=
 come up with a creative solution to a daunting problem and allow me to ste=
er clear of pitfalls) and CONTINUE TO LEARN, you can actually form an INTEL=
LIGENT decision.=C2=A0 However, taking shortcuts, asking people to spoon fe=
ed you the answers.... that's like trying to cheat on exams as you go throu=
gh life....=C2=A0 You never learn and you really never will.
Paul
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:02:57 AM PDT, Tim Daneliuk  wrote: =20
=20
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> most would prefer to raise the average IQ

As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have 0% pr=
obability of happening ;)

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ROFL.

Pers=
onally, I haven't see it yet.  Again, I hated getting a CS degree.&nbs=
p; It was hell on wheels and kept running me over.  The incredible amo=
unt of math, automata theory, etc, etc.
Then, I got out in the 'real world'.  I was thoroughly shoc=
ked at how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implement=
ation, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'pr=
ogram' 10 years after I got out.  

I would look=
 at simple scripts for error checking and proper 'results return' from func=
tion... NOTHING.  "Well, it's just a script, who cares?"

Problem... it carried into their programming practices as well. &=
nbsp;

Heck, when I was looking at the Assembler functions=
 of two chips (had to be able to learn pointers and registers etc if you we=
re going to use K&R C) in our Assembler class.  One was just plain=
 horrible and the other was almost magical in the way it worked..... Profes=
sor asked which was superior... 'magical one'.... "Yes, that's Motorola's 6=
8000 series".....  "Professor, what's the junky one?"  "Oh that's=
 iNtel...."  Look at where we are now?

Sometimes, pe=
ople think due to market share and advertising, that something is superior.=
  However, when you have a solid knowledge base (I can't possibly expl=
ain to people how many times 'THEORY' has come to my rescue to come up with=
 a creative solution to a daunting problem and allow me to steer clear of p=
itfalls) and CONTINUE TO LEARN, you can actually form an INTELLIGENT decisi=
on.  However, taking shortcuts, asking people to spoon feed you the an=
swers.... that's like trying to cheat on exams as you go through life....&n=
bsp; You never learn and you really never will.

Paul


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On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
> most would prefer to raise the average IQ


As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so =
unlikely as to have 0% probability of happening ;)



            

        

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On 4/17/23 12:34, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated getting a CS degree.  It was hell on wheels and kept running me over.  The incredible amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.
> Then, I got out in the 'real world'.  I was thoroughly shocked at how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program' 10 years after I got out.


I have a Masters in CS, and an uncompleted Ph.D. (I guess that makes me a college dropout.)
Both were in the strongly theoretical end of CS, with a focus on computational
theory, as well as the design of computer languages.

I have found the theory to be very useful in understanding problems and
reasoning about how algorithms and data structures and so forth can
foster better design.  As you suggest, these encourage critical thinking.

What you see today is people screaming for "agile" when you ask for
time to do careful requirements gathering.  Young "coders" come out
of bootcamps that teach them one language and an IDE with absolutely
no understanding of the overatching environments in which they are
coding, let along a firm grasp of algorithmics and data structures.

I feel I am far afield and showing too many Boomer feathers.

"In my day, we didn't have 1s and 0s, we had Ohs and Ells and we LIKED it .."

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 I think we are very like minded courtesy of the training.
Whenever I bring up the C compiler bug and people go.... why in the heck wo=
uld i++ and i=3Di+1 execute differently?=C2=A0 They wouldn't.Ahh.... but ye=
s they did.=C2=A0 It was due to the person who interpreted the meaning of o=
ne versus the meaning of the other.... in assembler....
Having to go through stor(es) and inc(rement) into registers versus storing=
 the values of i and 1 and getting the result and storing it in the new val=
ue of i.... extra steps that cost a lot in the end.
I think K&R C was in use for at least 10 years before it was discovered.
I remember trying to do simple digital logic circuits with Karnaugh maps et=
c. and trying to optimize logic down to just a few logic gates on integrate=
d circuit chips of NANDs, ANDs, XOR, OR, NOR.
Trying to keep costs down by optimally lowering the amount of chips require=
d to get full functionality.
VAXen and PDPs with REMOVABLE DISK pack of 20 MB.... that weighed 20-30 lbs=
. :)=C2=A0 Platters that were the size of vinyl records.... Running BSD 4.x
I was pretty crotchety when people started with containers and virtualizati=
on and... MICROSERVICES....=C2=A0 I was like:=C2=A0 you do understand what =
a scheduler and time sharing are all about right?=C2=A0 You know about UNIX=
, right?=C2=A0 You do know about "nice"=C2=A0 why would I want to put limit=
s on some simulated machine and expect it will work better than the job con=
trol and scheduler of the kernel?
Yeah... boomer mentality....=C2=A0 But we continue to work on this stuff...=
. Honestly, I can't wait to fully retire.... I have a lot of cycles I want =
to donate to BSD.
Paul

    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:29:56 AM PDT, Tim Daneliuk  wrote: =20
=20
 On 4/17/23 12:34, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated getting a CS degree.=C2=
=A0 It was hell on wheels and kept running me over.=C2=A0 The incredible am=
ount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.
> Then, I got out in the 'real world'.=C2=A0 I was thoroughly shocked at ho=
w people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation, pr=
oject planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program' 10=
 years after I got out.


I have a Masters in CS, and an uncompleted Ph.D. (I guess that makes me a c=
ollege dropout.)
Both were in the strongly theoretical end of CS, with a focus on computatio=
nal
theory, as well as the design of computer languages.

I have found the theory to be very useful in understanding problems and
reasoning about how algorithms and data structures and so forth can
foster better design.=C2=A0 As you suggest, these encourage critical thinki=
ng.

What you see today is people screaming for "agile" when you ask for
time to do careful requirements gathering.=C2=A0 Young "coders" come out
of bootcamps that teach them one language and an IDE with absolutely
no understanding of the overatching environments in which they are
coding, let along a firm grasp of algorithmics and data structures.

I feel I am far afield and showing too many Boomer feathers.

"In my day, we didn't have 1s and 0s, we had Ohs and Ells and we LIKED it .=
."

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I think we are very like min=
ded courtesy of the training.
<=
br>
Whenever I bring up the C c=
ompiler bug and people go.... why in the heck would i++ and i=3Di+1 execute=
 differently?  They wouldn't.
Ahh.... but yes they did.  It was due to the person who interprete=
d the meaning of one versus the meaning of the other.... in assembler....

Having to go through stor(es) and inc(rement) into registe=
rs versus storing the values of i and 1 and getting the result and storing =
it in the new value of i.... extra steps that cost a lot in the end.
<=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
I think K&R C was in use for at least 10 years before it wa=
s discovered.

I remember trying to do simple digital logi=
c circuits with Karnaugh maps etc. and trying to optimize logic down to jus=
t a few logic gates on integrated circuit chips of NANDs, ANDs, XOR, OR, NO=
R.

Trying to keep costs down by optimally lowering the am=
ount of chips required to get full functionality.

VAXen a=
nd PDPs with REMOVABLE DISK pack of 20 MB.... that weighed 20-30 lbs. :)&nb=
sp; Platters that were the size of vinyl records.... Running BSD 4.x
<=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
I was pretty crotchety when people started with containers and =
virtualization and... MICROSERVICES....  I was like:  you do unde=
rstand what a scheduler and time sharing are all about right?  You kno=
w about UNIX, right?  You do know about "nice"  why would I want =
to put limits on some simulated machine and expect it will work better than=
 the job control and scheduler of the kernel?

Yeah... boo=
mer mentality....  But we continue to work on this stuff.... Honestly,=
 I can't wait to fully retire.... I have a lot of cycles I want to donate t=
o BSD.

Paul



       =20
        

            

               =20
                

                    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:29:56 AM PDT, Tim Danel=
iuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
                

                


                


                
On 4/17/23 12:34, Paul Pathiakis wrot=
e:

> Personally, I haven't see it yet. Again, I hated gettin=
g a CS degree.  It was hell on wheels and kept running me over.  =
The incredible amount of math, automata theory, etc, etc.
> Then, I got out in the 'real world'.  I was thoroughly shocked a=
t how people casually threw aside critical thinking, design, implementation=
, project planning, software engineering paradigms, and started to 'program=
' 10 years after I got out.



I have a Masters in CS, and an uncompleted Ph.D. (I guess th=
at makes me a college dropout.)
Both were in the strongly=
 theoretical end of CS, with a focus on computational
the=
ory, as well as the design of computer languages.

I have found the theory to be very useful in understanding prob=
lems and
reasoning about how algorithms and data structur=
es and so forth can
foster better design.  As you su=
ggest, these encourage critical thinking.

What you see today is people screaming for "agile" when you ask for
time to do careful requirements gathering.  Young "code=
rs" come out
of bootcamps that teach them one language an=
d an IDE with absolutely
no understanding of the overatch=
ing environments in which they are
coding, let along a fi=
rm grasp of algorithmics and data structures.

I feel I am far afield and showing too many Boomer feathers.

"In my day, we didn't have 1s and 0s, we h=
ad Ohs and Ells and we LIKED it .."



            

        

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On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim Daneliuk  wr=
ote:
 > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > most would prefer to raise the average IQ

 > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have
 > 0% probability of happening ;)

As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer: Q=2EE=2ED  <&^}=3D

I could have tried the inverse: 'most would prefer not to lower the averag=
e IQ' but this topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessness of ma=
gical thinking=2E

On the subject of FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:

"We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan =2E=2E=2E"

http://www=2Emiddlemiss=2Eorg/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan=2Ehtml

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On 4/17/23 14:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote:
> 
> I was pretty crotchety when people started with containers and virtualization and... MICROSERVICES....  I was like:  you do understand what a scheduler and time sharing are all about right?  You know about UNIX, right?  You do know about "nice"  why would I want to put limits on some simulated machine and expect it will work better than the job control and scheduler of the kernel?


I will say that having now spent the better part of a decade
around microservices, docker, K8s, et al that the current
state of that art allows for a lot of control around
resource consumption and scaling/performance.

K8s, in particular, gets away from the idea that
you have to tune the host and instead allows you
to think about optimizing the containers that
run there.  At least for business applications, the
vast majority of the time, the throughput issues
are far more about I/O constraints than they are CPU-bound
or concurrency issues.

Optimizing schedules, nice, pinning CPUs and all the rest
make sense when your point of tuning is a single, monolithic
kernel running a process model.  But with K8s, you can
think in terms of logically infinite capacity (at a price,
of course) where your optimization surface is the service
itself and the class of K8s pod you are running on.

This model is not useful for everything.   There have been
attempts, for example, to decompose the FreeBSD kernel itself into
a set of loosely coupled services coordinated via message
passing.  If memory services, this was the intent of
DragonflyBSD but I'm not certain of that.

"There are 20 ways to solve a problem. 3 of them will work well enough."

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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:11:12 -0500
Tim Daneliuk  wrote:

> This model is not useful for everything.   There have been
> attempts, for example, to decompose the FreeBSD kernel itself into
> a set of loosely coupled services coordinated via message
> passing.  If memory services, this was the intent of
> DragonflyBSD but I'm not certain of that.

	Not DragonflyBSD but the Mach kernel is a message passing
microkernel and is used in MacOS with a largely FreeBSD based set of unix
userland and of course Aqua.

	DragonflyBSD is something else, it's still monolithic but it
handles SMP very differently to FreeBSD (this being the point of departure
of the project). The original plan to move to message passing as the
basis for native SSI clustering fell by the wayside very early in favour of
extremely efficient SMP and the Hammer filesystem. Judging by benchmarks of
systems with large numbers of CPUs they have managed to make the kernel
scale extremely well.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 

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 Just remember.... "BSD is going to die"=C2=A0 How many times has that been=
 said to people in the BSD communities?
Still going strong since 1974... :D=C2=A0=C2=A0
Paul
    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:05:32 PM PDT, Ian Smith  wrote: =20
=20
 On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim Daneliuk  wro=
te:
 > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > most would prefer to raise the average IQ

 > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have
 > 0% probability of happening ;)

As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer: Q.E.D=C2=A0 <&^}=3D

I could have tried the inverse: 'most would prefer not to lower the average=
 IQ' but this topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessness of mag=
ical thinking.

On the subject of FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:

"We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ..."

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html

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Just remember.... "BSD is go=
ing to die"  How many times has that been said to people in the BSD co=
mmunities?

Still going strong since 1974... :D &nb=
sp;

Paul


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                    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:05:32 PM PDT, Ian Smith=
 <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
                

                


                


                
On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim=
 Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:

 > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
 > >=
 most would prefer to raise the average IQ

 > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to=
 have
 > 0% probability of happening ;)


As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer=
: Q.E.D  <&^}=3D

I could h=
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=
http://www.middlemiss=
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ktrace with invalid web requests on blacklistd shows that it obtains the =
endpoints properly and calls the helper to do the work.  However, when =
sending invalid id/passwords via ssh, blacklistd does receive the proper =
packets from sshd and it obtains the endpoints, but just ends.  It never =
calls the helper.  I have the entry in blacklistd.conf for that port, =
and blacklistd has been restarted many times.  Any ideas what I need to =
do to get blacklistd to record the calls.  There is no table in pf for =
that port.  However, it appears there needs to be at least one call to =
make the table appear.

-- Doug


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I have been =
implementing blacklistd.  It works fine with postfix and my web =
server.  However, sshd is not working.  I have enabled the =
UseBlacklistd configuration line.  However, no amount of invalid =
id/passwords generate an entry in either blacklistd or pf.  Running =
ktrace with invalid web requests on blacklistd shows that it obtains the =
endpoints properly and calls the helper to do the work.  However, =
when sending invalid id/passwords via ssh, blacklistd does receive the =
proper packets from sshd and it obtains the endpoints, but just ends. =
 It never calls the helper.  I have the entry in =
blacklistd.conf for that port, and blacklistd has been restarted many =
times.  Any ideas what I need to do to get blacklistd to record the =
calls.  There is no table in pf for that port.  However, it =
appears there needs to be at least one call to make the table =
appear.



-- Doug





=

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On 4/17/23 13:38, Doug Hardie wrote:
> I have been implementing blacklistd.  It works fine with postfix and 
> my web server.  However, sshd is not working.  I have enabled the 
> UseBlacklistd configuration line.  However, no amount of invalid 
> id/passwords generate an entry in either blacklistd or pf.  Running 
> ktrace with invalid web requests on blacklistd shows that it obtains 
> the endpoints properly and calls the helper to do the work.  However, 
> when sending invalid id/passwords via ssh, blacklistd does receive the 
> proper packets from sshd and it obtains the endpoints, but just ends. 
>  It never calls the helper.  I have the entry in blacklistd.conf for 
> that port, and blacklistd has been restarted many times.  Any ideas 
> what I need to do to get blacklistd to record the calls.  There is no 
> table in pf for that port.  However, it appears there needs to be at 
> least one call to make the table appear.
>
> -- Doug
>

shot in the dark - did you set:
UseBlacklist yes

in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf then restart sshd?

-pete

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> On Apr 17, 2023, at 13:38, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>=20
> I have been implementing blacklistd.  It works fine with postfix and =
my web server.  However, sshd is not working.  I have enabled the =
UseBlacklistd configuration line.  However, no amount of invalid =
id/passwords generate an entry in either blacklistd or pf.  Running =
ktrace with invalid web requests on blacklistd shows that it obtains the =
endpoints properly and calls the helper to do the work.  However, when =
sending invalid id/passwords via ssh, blacklistd does receive the proper =
packets from sshd and it obtains the endpoints, but just ends.  It never =
calls the helper.  I have the entry in blacklistd.conf for that port, =
and blacklistd has been restarted many times.  Any ideas what I need to =
do to get blacklistd to record the calls.  There is no table in pf for =
that port.  However, it appears there needs to be at least one call to =
make the table appear.

Additional information.  I set debug mode in blacklistd and send an =
invalid ssh login:

processing type=3D4 fd=3D6 remote=3D10.0.1.6:52462 msg=3D,.lklkj uid=3D0 =
gid=3D0
listening socket: 10.0.1.235:xx
look:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:0, name:=3D, =
nfail:*, duration:*
check:	target:8001, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
check:	target:8000, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
check:	target:587, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:3, =
duration:300
check:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
found:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
conf_apply: merge:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, =
nfail:2, duration:300
conf_apply: to:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:0, name:=3D, =
nfail:*, duration:*
conf_apply: result:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:*, =
name:*, nfail:2, duration:300
Applied address 10.0.1.6:xx
Applied address 10.0.1.6:xx
process: initial db state for 10.0.1.6:52462: count=3D0/2 =
last=3D1969/12/31 16:00:00 now=3D2023/04/17 15:04:00
process: final db state for 10.0.1.6:52462: count=3D0/2 last=3D1969/12/31 =
16:00:00 now=3D2023/04/17 15:04:00

Blacklistd finds the proper ssh entry (port xx - it's not 22).  It does =
not change the state of that entry though.  Running with debug for an =
invalid web URL yields basically the same information except that the =
initial state show a count and last time.  The final state shows the =
count incremented.  When the web invalid URL count exceeds the =
threshold, I do see an entry for "add returns OK".  I don't see that for =
SSH regardless of the number of attempts.




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> On Apr 17, 2023, at 15:32, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>=20
>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 13:38, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>>=20
>> I have been implementing blacklistd.  It works fine with postfix and =
my web server.  However, sshd is not working.  I have enabled the =
UseBlacklistd configuration line.  However, no amount of invalid =
id/passwords generate an entry in either blacklistd or pf.  Running =
ktrace with invalid web requests on blacklistd shows that it obtains the =
endpoints properly and calls the helper to do the work.  However, when =
sending invalid id/passwords via ssh, blacklistd does receive the proper =
packets from sshd and it obtains the endpoints, but just ends.  It never =
calls the helper.  I have the entry in blacklistd.conf for that port, =
and blacklistd has been restarted many times.  Any ideas what I need to =
do to get blacklistd to record the calls.  There is no table in pf for =
that port.  However, it appears there needs to be at least one call to =
make the table appear.
>=20
> Additional information.  I set debug mode in blacklistd and send an =
invalid ssh login:
>=20
> processing type=3D4 fd=3D6 remote=3D10.0.1.6:52462 msg=3D,.lklkj uid=3D0=
 gid=3D0
> listening socket: 10.0.1.235:xx
> look:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:0, name:=3D, =
nfail:*, duration:*
> check:	target:8001, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
> check:	target:8000, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
> check:	target:587, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:3, =
duration:300
> check:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
> found:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, nfail:2, =
duration:300
> conf_apply: merge:	target:xx, proto:6, family:*, uid:*, name:*, =
nfail:2, duration:300
> conf_apply: to:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:0, =
name:=3D, nfail:*, duration:*
> conf_apply: result:	target:10.0.1.235:xx, proto:6, family:2, uid:*, =
name:*, nfail:2, duration:300
> Applied address 10.0.1.6:xx
> Applied address 10.0.1.6:xx
> process: initial db state for 10.0.1.6:52462: count=3D0/2 =
last=3D1969/12/31 16:00:00 now=3D2023/04/17 15:04:00
> process: final db state for 10.0.1.6:52462: count=3D0/2 =
last=3D1969/12/31 16:00:00 now=3D2023/04/17 15:04:00
>=20
> Blacklistd finds the proper ssh entry (port xx - it's not 22).  It =
does not change the state of that entry though.  Running with debug for =
an invalid web URL yields basically the same information except that the =
initial state show a count and last time.  The final state shows the =
count incremented.  When the web invalid URL count exceeds the =
threshold, I do see an entry for "add returns OK".  I don't see that for =
SSH regardless of the number of attempts.

After digging through the code for blacklistd I find that postfix and my =
web server call blacklistd with a type of 1 (BL_ADD) and sure enough, =
blacklistd calls the helper to add the pf rule.  However. sshd calls =
with type 4 (BL_BADUSER) and there is a note in the handling of that =
type that says "Ignore for now".  And that it does, i.e., nothing.  So =
the problem is in sshd using a type that is not implemented, or in =
backlistd which does not implement the BADUSER type.  I wonder if =
Release 13.2 will fix either of those.

-- Doug



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-- Doug

> On Apr 17, 2023, at 16:42, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>=20
> After digging through the code for blacklistd I find that postfix and =
my web server call blacklistd with a type of 1 (BL_ADD) and sure enough, =
blacklistd calls the helper to add the pf rule.  However. sshd calls =
with type 4 (BL_BADUSER) and there is a note in the handling of that =
type that says "Ignore for now".  And that it does, i.e., nothing.  So =
the problem is in sshd using a type that is not implemented, or in =
backlistd which does not implement the BADUSER type.  I wonder if =
Release 13.2 will fix either of those.
>=20

The following patch is a temporary fix for the problem:

--- blacklistd.c.orig	2023-04-17 22:58:47.552759000 -0700
+++ blacklistd.c	2023-04-17 22:46:32.069666000 -0700
@@ -225,6 +225,7 @@
 		if (c.c_nfail !=3D -1)
 			dbi.count =3D c.c_nfail - 1;
 		/*FALLTHROUGH*/
+	case BL_BADUSER:
 	case BL_ADD:
 		dbi.count++;
 		dbi.last =3D ts.tv_sec;
@@ -260,9 +261,9 @@
 		dbi.count =3D 0;
 		dbi.last =3D 0;
 		break;
-	case BL_BADUSER:
-		/* ignore for now */
-		break;
+//	case BL_BADUSER:
+//		/* ignore for now */
+//		break;
 	default:
 		(*lfun)(LOG_ERR, "unknown message %d", bi->bi_type);=20
 	}


Basically the BADUSER call from sshd is moved to the ADD function.  So =
instead of what was supposed to be an immediate shutdown on one bad =
authentication regardless of the conf settings, it now follows the =
config settings rule.  I am not convinced that sshd should use the =
BADUSER call.  It causes a single typo to lock you out.  It seems to me =
that it should use the ADD function so the admin gets to chose the =
proper number of bad authentications before lockout.

I'd submit a PR on this, but all the PRs I have submitted have been left =
to wither on the vine.

-- Doug



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-- Doug






On Apr 17, 2023, at 16:42, Doug =
Hardie <bc979@lafn.org> wrote:

After digging through the =
code for blacklistd I find that postfix and my web server call =
blacklistd with a type of 1 (BL_ADD) and sure enough, blacklistd calls =
the helper to add the pf rule.  However. sshd calls with type 4 =
(BL_BADUSER) and there is a note in the handling of that type that says =
"Ignore for now".  And that it does, i.e., nothing.  So the =
problem is in sshd using a type that is not implemented, or in backlistd =
which does not implement the BADUSER type.  I wonder if Release =
13.2 will fix either of =
those.


The following =
patch is a temporary fix for the =
problem:

--- blacklistd.c.orig	=
2023-04-17 22:58:47.552759000 -0700
+++ =
blacklistd.c	=
2023-04-17 22:46:32.069666000 -0700
@@ -225,6 +225,7 =
@@
 		if (c.c_nfail !=3D =
-1)
 			dbi.count =3D =
c.c_nfail - 1;
 		=
/*FALLTHROUGH*/
+	case =
BL_BADUSER:
 	case =
BL_ADD:
 		=
dbi.count++;
 		dbi.last =3D =
ts.tv_sec;
@@ -260,9 +261,9 @@
 		=
dbi.count =3D 0;
 		dbi.last =3D =
0;
 		break;
-	case =
BL_BADUSER:
-		/* ignore for now =
*/
-		=
break;
+//	case =
BL_BADUSER:
+//		/* ignore for now =
*/
+//	=
	break;
 	default:
 		=
(*lfun)(LOG_ERR, "unknown message %d", =
bi->bi_type); 
 	=
}


Basically the BADUSER =
call from sshd is moved to the ADD function.  So instead of what =
was supposed to be an immediate shutdown on one bad authentication =
regardless of the conf settings, it now follows the config settings =
rule.  I am not convinced that sshd should use the BADUSER call. =
 It causes a single typo to lock you out.  It seems to me that =
it should use the ADD function so the admin gets to chose the proper =
number of bad authentications before =
lockout.

I'd submit a PR on this, but all the =
PRs I have submitted have been left to wither on the =
vine.

-- =
Doug


=

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Doug Hardie  wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 16:42, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>>=20
>> After digging through the code for blacklistd I find that postfix and =
my web server call blacklistd with a type of 1 (BL_ADD) and sure enough, =
blacklistd calls the helper to add the pf rule.  However. sshd calls =
with type 4 (BL_BADUSER) and there is a note in the handling of that =
type that says "Ignore for now".  And that it does, i.e., nothing.  So =
the problem is in sshd using a type that is not implemented, or in =
backlistd which does not implement the BADUSER type.  I wonder if =
Release 13.2 will fix either of those.
>>=20
>=20
> The following patch is a temporary fix for the problem:
>=20
> --- blacklistd.c.orig 2023-04-17 22:58:47.552759000 -0700
> +++ blacklistd.c 2023-04-17 22:46:32.069666000 -0700
> @@ -225,6 +225,7 @@
>   if (c.c_nfail !=3D -1)
>   dbi.count =3D c.c_nfail - 1;
>   /*FALLTHROUGH*/
> + case BL_BADUSER:
>   case BL_ADD:
>   dbi.count++;
>   dbi.last =3D ts.tv_sec;
> @@ -260,9 +261,9 @@
>   dbi.count =3D 0;
>   dbi.last =3D 0;
>   break;
> - case BL_BADUSER:
> - /* ignore for now */
> - break;
> +// case BL_BADUSER:
> +// /* ignore for now */
> +// break;
>   default:
>   (*lfun)(LOG_ERR, "unknown message %d", bi->bi_type);=20
>   }
>=20
>=20
> Basically the BADUSER call from sshd is moved to the ADD function.  So =
instead of what was supposed to be an immediate shutdown on one bad =
authentication regardless of the conf settings, it now follows the =
config settings rule.  I am not convinced that sshd should use the =
BADUSER call.  It causes a single typo to lock you out.  It seems to me =
that it should use the ADD function so the admin gets to chose the =
proper number of bad authentications before lockout.
>=20
> I'd submit a PR on this, but all the PRs I have submitted have been =
left to wither on the vine.
>=20
> -- Doug

Please do so. This has been discussed before [1], and I will definitely =
support your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER configurable.

I am currently testing your patch.

[1] =
https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2023-March/003056.htm=
l


Thanks and regards,
Michael=

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I don't want it to die. I like freebsd more than linux. But I would also
like that more developers want to work on it to improve it and that some
areas were filled by more innovation.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis  wrote:

> Just remember.... "BSD is going to die"  How many times has that been sai=
d
> to people in the BSD communities?
>
> Still going strong since 1974... :D
>
> Paul
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:05:32 PM PDT, Ian Smith <
> smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
>
>
> On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim Daneliuk 
> wrote:
>
> > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
> > > most would prefer to raise the average IQ
>
> > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have
> > 0% probability of happening ;)
>
>
> As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer: Q.E.D  <&^}=3D
>
> I could have tried the inverse: 'most would prefer not to lower the
> average IQ' but this topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessne=
ss
> of magical thinking.
>
> On the subject of FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:
>
> "We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ..."
>
> http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html
>
>
>

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I don't want it to die. I like freebsd more than linux=
. But I would also like that more developers want to work on it to improve =
it and that some areas were filled by more innovation.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2=
023 at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> wrote:

        
Just remember.... "BSD is going to die"=
=C2=A0 How many times has that been said to people in the BSD communities?<=
/div>

Still going strong since 1=
974... :D=C2=A0=C2=A0

Paul=



       =20
        

            

               =20
                

                    On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:05:32 PM PDT, Ian Smith=
 <smithi@nimne=
t.asn.au> wrote:
                

                


                


                
On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim=
 Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:

 > O=
n 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > most would p=
refer to raise the average IQ

 > As=
 an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have
 > 0% probability of happening ;)

As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer: Q.E.D=C2=A0=
 <&^}=3D

I could have tried the=
 inverse: 'most would prefer not to lower the average IQ' but this =
topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessness of magical thinking.=


On the subject of FreeBSD's imman=
ent demise, a little Australiana:

&quo=
t;We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ..."

http://w=
ww.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html



            

        


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Greetings.

On 18 Apr 2023, at 11:08, Michael Grimm wrote:

> This has been discussed before [1], and I will definitely support your =
patch or a solution that makes BADUSER configurable.

I'd be willing to have a go at implementing a configurable version of thi=
s change, for consideration (I'm the one who raised the query on the list=
 earlier).  However, that would be my first time with the FreeBSD sources=
=2E  Is there a standard process for this?

I notice that the blacklistd sources aren't in , so I'm stuck at step 1.

Is there an upstream this comes from?  I don't see any mention of such a =
thing in that directory, but I'm very aware I may be looking in completel=
y the wrong location at this point.

Best wishes,

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Norman Gray  wrote:
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> On 18 Apr 2023, at 11:08, Michael Grimm wrote:

>> This has been discussed before [1], and I will definitely support =
your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER configurable.
>=20
> I'd be willing to have a go at implementing a configurable version of =
this change, for consideration (I'm the one who raised the query on the =
list earlier).

Yes, I remember.

>  However, that would be my first time with the FreeBSD sources.  Is =
there a standard process for this?

I am not an expert either, but I would first of all open a PR. Their you =
can publish your patches against sources. Someone else will later commit =
your patch if accepted.

> I notice that the blacklistd sources aren't in =
, =
so I'm stuck at step 1.

The sources are at:

/usr/src/contrib/blacklist

In /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/bin you'll find blacklistd.conf and the =
config files in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/etc

> Is there an upstream this comes from?  I don't see any mention of such =
a thing in that directory, but I'm very aware I may be looking in =
completely the wrong location at this point.

I am using a git repository (STABLE) to recompile world and kernel from =
sources.=20

Thanks and regards,
Michael


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On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 12:28=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto 
wrote:

> I don't want it to die. I like freebsd more than linux. But I would also
> like that more developers want to work on it to improve it and that some
> areas were filled by more innovation.
>

FreeBSD is a volunteer project. That means developers work on what they
find interesting.
That might align with your view or it might not.

At some point some people are paid to work on something even if it is not
the most fun thing for them. But they have a contract so they have to honor
it.
The FreeBSD Foundation contracts people to work on certain areas they see
the Project needs to improve at (
https://freebsdfoundation.org/open-positions/).

For the rest, I'm afraid you would need to join the efforts of some
projects that share your interests.
I know some people would love to have docker on FreeBSD and maybe a group
can be formed to work on that but as other people said, it is not easy to
do so.

Don't get me wrong, I think FreeBSD has some things to learn from Linux,
though some others I hope we never adopt.


>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis 
> wrote:
>
>> Just remember.... "BSD is going to die"  How many times has that been
>> said to people in the BSD communities?
>>
>> Still going strong since 1974... :D
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:05:32 PM PDT, Ian Smith <
>> smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim Daneliuk 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
>> > > most would prefer to raise the average IQ
>>
>> > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlikely as to have
>> > 0% probability of happening ;)
>>
>>
>> As a possibly older and likely grumpier Boomer: Q.E.D  <&^}=3D
>>
>> I could have tried the inverse: 'most would prefer not to lower the
>> average IQ' but this topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessn=
ess
>> of magical thinking.
>>
>> On the subject of FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:
>>
>> "We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ..."
>>
>> http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mario.
>

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 12:28=E2=80=
=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto=
2008@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't want it to die. I like freebsd m=
ore than linux. But I would also like that more developers want to work on =
it to improve it and that some areas were filled by more innovation.

FreeBSD is a volunteer project. That me=
ans developers work on what they find interesting.
That might ali=
gn with your view or it might not.

At some point s=
ome people are paid to work on something even if it is not the most fun thi=
ng for them. But they have a contract so they have to honor it.
T=
he FreeBSD Foundation contracts people to work on certain areas they see th=
e Project needs to improve at (https://freebsdfoundation.org/open-positions/).

For the rest, I'm afraid you would need to join the eff=
orts of some projects that share your interests.
I know some peop=
le would love to have docker on FreeBSD and maybe a group can be formed to =
work on that but as other people said, it is not easy to do so.
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arn from Linux, though some others I hope we never adopt. 
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> w=
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Just remember.... "BSD is going to die"=
=C2=A0 How many times has that been said to people in the BSD communities?<=
/div>

Still going strong since 1=
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On 18 April 2023 3:01:55 am AEST, Tim=
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 > On 4/17/23 11:35, Ian Smith wrote:
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gt; > most would prefer to raise the average IQ

 > As an old, grumpy Boomer, I declare this to be so unlike=
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r Boomer: Q.E.D=C2=A0 <&^}=3D

I=
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age IQ' but this topic demonstrates, if nothing else, the fruitlessness=
 of magical thinking.

On the subject o=
f FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:
"We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan ..."

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.=
html



            

        


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Connected a USB to serial dongle to a USB port,
then a straight-through serial cable to my dsl modem.

as root:
   cu -h -t -s 9600 -l /dev/cuau0
or maybe cuaU0

Whether anything is connected to the USB port or not,
when I issue the cu command, I always get a "connected" response.

On one occasion two days ago, I swear the cu connected to the
usb-serial and I got a login prompt and poked around the modem.

Assuming that actually happened, how does the system know which
usb / serial port to use?

This mobo has a serial port with a dongle connected.  It appears
to be activated in BIOS, as when I direct connect the serial cable
to it I get a connection to the modem.

But I'm confused as to how I got it to work from a usb port.
Thanks for any insights,

Gary

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On 18 April 2023 4:32:13 pm AEST, Steve O'Hara-Smith  w=
rote:
 > On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:04:35 +1000
 > Ian Smith  wrote:
 >=20
 > > On the subject of FreeBSD's immanent demise, a little Australiana:
 >=20
 > 	I've been hearing about the imminent demise of unix since the late
 > 1980s, I'll put the imminent demise of FreeBSD in the same bucket=2E

Indeed=2E  Hope you enjoyed the poem, and thanks for the spell-check ;)

cheers, Ian

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On 4/18/23 14:32, Gary Aitken wrote:
> Assuming that actually happened, how does the system know which
> usb / serial port to use?
> 

Not sure if I understand your question correctly.
But you specify the serial device in your command in this part,
'-l /dev/cuau0', and the device ('/dev/cuau0) is created when you
connect the USB-serial converter.
So, you are telling 'cu' what device to use for your serial connection.

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On Tue, 2023-04-18 at 13:41 +0200, Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa wrote:
> I think FreeBSD has some things to learn from Linux, though some
> others I hope we never adopt.

You can't have one without the other. When it comes to GUIs, for
example, GTK misery creeps into FreeBSD with a slight delay at best.=20
FreeBSD is compliant to something useful, Linux never was compliant to
it. This will not change.

Another issue is that "software slows down faster than hardware speeds
up". I have just put together a new computer, so I can keep two windows
open at the same time tomorrow without the computer becoming a heater.
Actually, my old computer is still in top order, only certain programs
are no longer like that. I've always used the command line instead of a
file manager, but to give two examples, you can hardly produce movies
and music from the command line. I'm aware that several blind people use
the command line to produce music, but maybe you get the point.


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On 4/18/23 08:32, Gary Aitken wrote:
> Connected a USB to serial dongle to a USB port,
> then a straight-through serial cable to my dsl modem.
>
> as root:
>   cu -h -t -s 9600 -l /dev/cuau0
> or maybe cuaU0
>
> Whether anything is connected to the USB port or not,
> when I issue the cu command, I always get a "connected" response.
>
> On one occasion two days ago, I swear the cu connected to the
> usb-serial and I got a login prompt and poked around the modem.
>
> Assuming that actually happened, how does the system know which
> usb / serial port to use?
>
> This mobo has a serial port with a dongle connected.  It appears
> to be activated in BIOS, as when I direct connect the serial cable
> to it I get a connection to the modem.
>
> But I'm confused as to how I got it to work from a usb port.
> Thanks for any insights,
>
> Gary
>

Gary,

I connect via serial to a firewall, and I discovered that it usually 
comes up with a blank screen.

The command I use is:  cu -l cuaU0 -s 115200

If I hit enter, then the login prompt appears but otherwise, I , like 
you, often see "connected", with an otherwise black screen and no 
prompt.  hope this helps.

-- Mark


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Michael, hello.

On 18 Apr 2023, at 12:21, Michael Grimm wrote:

>> However, that would be my first time with the FreeBSD sources.  Is the=
re a standard process for this?
>
>  I am not an expert either, but I would first of all open a PR. Their y=
ou can publish your patches against sources. Someone else will later comm=
it your patch if accepted.

Sounds good....

>> I notice that the blacklistd sources aren't in  , so I'm stuck at step 1.=

>
>  The sources are at:
>
>  /usr/src/contrib/blacklist
>
>  In /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/bin you'll find blacklistd.conf and the =
config files in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/etc

I can see the sources if I include src when installing from dvd1.  So far=
 so good...

I think I may need to be pointed towards some further reading, though.  I=
n (a copy of) /usr/src/contrib/blacklist I try 'make', and that doesn't w=
ork (illustrated below) because there's clearly a -I missing (ie, I'm dou=
btless doing this in the wrong place).

Looking at [1], /usr/src/Makefile, and /usr/src/UPDATING, I'm getting the=
 impression that the only documented process is 'make world' or 'make bui=
ldworld'.  Would that be right?  Even in this simple case where the sourc=
es are associated with the userland on the same install image?

Thanks for any pointers,

Norman


[1] https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#makeworld


%  make
=3D=3D=3D> lib (all)
cc  -O2 -pipe -fno-common   -g -MD  -MF.depend.bl.o -MTbl.o -std=3Dgnu99 =
-Wno-format-zero-length -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers -Werror=
 -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmis=
sing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings=
 -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wunused-parameter -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wne=
sted-externs -Wredundant-decls -Wold-style-definition -Wno-pointer-sign -=
Wmissing-variable-declarations -Wthread-safety -Wno-empty-body -Wno-strin=
g-plus-int -Wno-unused-const-variable -Wno-error=3Dunused-but-set-variabl=
e  -Qunused-arguments    -c bl.c -o bl.o
bl.c:60:10: fatal error: 'bl.h' file not found
#include "bl.h"
         ^~~~~~
1 error generated.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make[1]: stopped in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist-mod/lib
*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist-mod


-- =

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Norman Gray  wrote:
>=20
> On 18 Apr 2023, at 12:21, Michael Grimm wrote:

>> The sources are at:
>>=20
>> /usr/src/contrib/blacklist
>>=20
>> In /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/bin you'll find blacklistd.conf and the =
config files in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/etc
>=20
> I can see the sources if I include src when installing from dvd1.  So =
far so good...
>=20
> I think I may need to be pointed towards some further reading, though. =
 In (a copy of) /usr/src/contrib/blacklist I try 'make', and that =
doesn't work (illustrated below) because there's clearly a -I missing =
(ie, I'm doubtless doing this in the wrong place).

Have a look at Makefile.inc. Here you find that you need to include the =
path /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/include.

I believe that you will need to resolve some more issues with compiling =
blacklistd stand alone. I have never tried something similar.

Because I am following STABLE, and by that you have to compile ...

> Looking at [1], /usr/src/Makefile, and /usr/src/UPDATING, I'm getting =
the impression that the only documented process is 'make world' or 'make =
buildworld'.  Would that be right?  Even in this simple case where the =
sources are associated with the userland on the same install image?

=E2=80=A6 world and kernel from scratch. (Same stands true for following =
HEAD.) The very first time it will take some time. But after that a =
small modification of let's say blacklistd.c will result in very short =
compilation times.

If you do not have a git repository and never had a 'make world' and =
'make kernel' running, it will be hard to develop code.

BUT, I have mentioned perviously, that I am not an expert either, =
someone my point to a simple method in just compiling the blacklist =
contribution.

Regards,
Michael

> [1] https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#makeworld
>=20
>=20
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 -Wno-format-zero-length -fstack-protector-strong -Wsystem-headers =
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> bl.c:60:10: fatal error: 'bl.h' file not found
> #include "bl.h"
>         ^~~~~~
> 1 error generated.
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop.
> make[1]: stopped in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist-mod/lib
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop.
> make: stopped in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist-mod


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Michael Grimm  wrote

> I will definitely support your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER =
configurable.

The more I'm thinking about this the more I do come to the conclusion =
that the current config file format isn't suited for making BADUSER =
configurable.=20

Either one adds some options tag to be used in generic kernel =
configuration file, or leave it by the patch of Doug.

Just my 2 cents,
Michael



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> On Apr 18, 2023, at 04:21, Michael Grimm  wrote:
>=20
> Norman Gray  wrote:
>>=20
>> On 18 Apr 2023, at 11:08, Michael Grimm wrote:
>=20
>>> This has been discussed before [1], and I will definitely support =
your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER configurable.
>>=20
>> I'd be willing to have a go at implementing a configurable version of =
this change, for consideration (I'm the one who raised the query on the =
list earlier).
>=20
> Yes, I remember.
>=20
>> However, that would be my first time with the FreeBSD sources.  Is =
there a standard process for this?
>=20
> I am not an expert either, but I would first of all open a PR. Their =
you can publish your patches against sources. Someone else will later =
commit your patch if accepted.
>=20
>> I notice that the blacklistd sources aren't in =
, =
so I'm stuck at step 1.
>=20
> The sources are at:
>=20
> /usr/src/contrib/blacklist
>=20
> In /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/bin you'll find blacklistd.conf and the =
config files in /usr/src/contrib/blacklist/etc
>=20
>> Is there an upstream this comes from?  I don't see any mention of =
such a thing in that directory, but I'm very aware I may be looking in =
completely the wrong location at this point.
>=20
> I am using a git repository (STABLE) to recompile world and kernel =
from sources.=20


Quick answers as I have to leave very soon.

Blacklistd source is in /usr/src/contrib/blacklistd/bin

Apply the patch there.

To recompile it go to /usr/src/usr.sbin/blacklistd and do the make =
there.

To find the new execuitable go to =
/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/usr.sbin/blacklistd and put the blacklistd =
there into /usr/libexec

Note the amd64.amd64 directory will be different if you are not on an =
amd64 machine.  There will probably be only one directory there and it =
will be the right one.

-- Doug=

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Doug, hello.

On 18 Apr 2023, at 19:18, Doug Hardie wrote:

> Quick answers as I have to leave very soon.
>
>  Blacklistd source is in /usr/src/contrib/blacklistd/bin
>
>  Apply the patch there.
>
>  To recompile it go to /usr/src/usr.sbin/blacklistd and do the make the=
re.

Aha!  Thanks.  The stock version builds OK, so ... onward to step 2!

>  To find the new execuitable go to /usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/usr.sbi=
n/blacklistd and put the blacklistd there into /usr/libexec

In my install, the products end up in the same directory, rather than in =
/usr/obj.  I could presumably tweak that (MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX in the environ=
ment?), but will forbear to do so for the moment.

I note Michael's point about the config file format.  I do remember looki=
ng in the blacklistd source before, trying to understand how it was parse=
d (or indeed mis-parsed), and I recall that the parsing was a bit... magi=
c.

Best wishes,

Norman


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On 4/18/23 07:05, Souji Thenria wrote:
> On 4/18/23 14:32, Gary Aitken wrote:
>> Assuming that actually happened, how does the system know which usb
>> / serial port to use?
>> 
> 
> Not sure if I understand your question correctly. But you specify the
> serial device in your command in this part, '-l /dev/cuau0', and the
> device ('/dev/cuau0) is created when you connect the USB-serial
> converter. So, you are telling 'cu' what device to use for your
> serial connection.

A more careful inspection shows that cuau0 always exists for the fixed
serial port on the mobo:

# ls -lt /dev/cua*
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer  0x45 Apr 18 08:19 /dev/cuau0
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer  0x46 Mar 25 08:27 /dev/cuau0.init
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer  0x47 Mar 25 08:27 /dev/cuau0.lock

And the generated one uses a capital 'U' instead of lowercase 'u':

# ls -lt /dev/cua*
crwxrwx---  1 uucp  operator  0xd7 Apr 18 12:55 /dev/cuaU0.lock
crwxrwx---  1 uucp  operator  0xd6 Apr 18 12:55 /dev/cuaU0.init
crwxrwx---  1 uucp  operator  0xd5 Apr 18 12:55 /dev/cuaU0
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer    0x45 Apr 18 08:19 /dev/cuau0
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer    0x46 Mar 25 08:27 /dev/cuau0.init
crw-rw----  1 uucp  dialer    0x47 Mar 25 08:27 /dev/cuau0.lock

At least *some* of the time I was doing the cu command before plugging
in the cable; since cuau0 was the only one visible at that time, that's
the only one I could use and what I tried to connect to.  So I got a
connection, but not to the cuaU0 created after plugging the cable in.

On 4/18/23 08:41, Mark Moellering wrote:

> I connect via serial to a firewall, and I discovered that it usually
> comes up with a blank screen.
> 
> The command I use is:  cu -l cuaU0 -s 115200
> 
> If I hit enter, then the login prompt appears but otherwise, I , like
> you, often see "connected", with an otherwise black screen and no
> prompt.  hope this helps.

Thanks.
If nothing is plugged in to the USB port and I use cuaU0, I get:

# cu -h -t -s 9600 -l /dev/cuaU0
/dev/cuaU0: No such file or directory
link down

You sure you're not using cuau0 when that happens and have an on-board
serial as well?

Gary

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On 4/18/23 21:11, Gary Aitken wrote:
> At least *some* of the time I was doing the cu command before plugging
> in the cable; since cuau0 was the only one visible at that time, that's
> the only one I could use and what I tried to connect to.  So I got a
> connection, but not to the cuaU0 created after plugging the cable in.
> 

That is to be expected because if you connect to '/dev/cuau0', you 
connect to the built-in serial port. However, you want to connect to 
your modem via the USB-serial adapter, which is, in your case, 
'/dev/cuaU0' (after plugging the device into your PC).

There is no logic which decides which serial device will be used, 
'/dev/cuau0' and '/dev/cuaU0' are two different devices, and you need to 
connect to the one you want to use.

For example, connecting another USB-serial adapter will generate a third 
device, '/dev/cuaU1'.

You can also find a description of the naming in the docs:
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/serialcomms/

-- 
Souji Thenria


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> On Apr 18, 2023, at 03:08, Michael Grimm  wrote:
>=20
> Doug Hardie  wrote:
>>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 16:42, Doug Hardie  wrote:
>>>=20
>>> After digging through the code for blacklistd I find that postfix =
and my web server call blacklistd with a type of 1 (BL_ADD) and sure =
enough, blacklistd calls the helper to add the pf rule.  However. sshd =
calls with type 4 (BL_BADUSER) and there is a note in the handling of =
that type that says "Ignore for now".  And that it does, i.e., nothing.  =
So the problem is in sshd using a type that is not implemented, or in =
backlistd which does not implement the BADUSER type.  I wonder if =
Release 13.2 will fix either of those.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Basically the BADUSER call from sshd is moved to the ADD function.  =
So instead of what was supposed to be an immediate shutdown on one bad =
authentication regardless of the conf settings, it now follows the =
config settings rule.  I am not convinced that sshd should use the =
BADUSER call.  It causes a single typo to lock you out.  It seems to me =
that it should use the ADD function so the admin gets to chose the =
proper number of bad authentications before lockout.
>>=20
>> I'd submit a PR on this, but all the PRs I have submitted have been =
left to wither on the vine.
>>=20
>> -- Doug
>=20
> Please do so. This has been discussed before [1], and I will =
definitely support your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER =
configurable.
>=20
> I am currently testing your patch.
>=20
> [1] =
https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2023-March/003056.htm=
l

I submitted a PR.  It is  270928=20

-- Doug


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> On Apr 18, 2023, at 11:46, Norman Gray  wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Doug, hello.
>=20
> On 18 Apr 2023, at 19:18, Doug Hardie wrote:
>=20
>> Quick answers as I have to leave very soon.
>>=20
>> Blacklistd source is in /usr/src/contrib/blacklistd/bin
>>=20
>> Apply the patch there.
>>=20
>> To recompile it go to /usr/src/usr.sbin/blacklistd and do the make =
there.
>=20
> Aha!  Thanks.  The stock version builds OK, so ... onward to step 2!
>=20
>> To find the new execuitable go to =
/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/usr.sbin/blacklistd and put the blacklistd =
there into /usr/libexec
>=20
> In my install, the products end up in the same directory, rather than =
in /usr/obj.  I could presumably tweak that (MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX in the =
environment?), but will forbear to do so for the moment.
>=20
> I note Michael's point about the config file format.  I do remember =
looking in the blacklistd source before, trying to understand how it was =
parsed (or indeed mis-parsed), and I recall that the parsing was a =
bit... magic.

I have never seen make build a system component in the source tree.  =
However, I have only used i386 and amd64 so it's possible some of the =
other architectures build things differently. =20

I had to use blacklistd's debug setting to find out how it was working.  =
Then I played computer and walked through the code.  Very time =
consuming, but successful.

-- Doug


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Doug Hardie  wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 2023, at 03:08, Michael Grimm  wrote:

>> Please do so. This has been discussed before [1], and I will =
definitely support your patch or a solution that makes BADUSER =
configurable.
>>=20
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> I submitted a PR.  It is  270928=20

Thanks for submitting a PR, and I have added a comment.

Regards,
Michael


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After the latest round of package upgrades sysutils/vm-bhyve and graphics/digikam failed 
to start with the error:

ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libelf.so.1: version ELFUTILS_1.0 required by /usr/local/lib/libdw.so.1 not 
found

Digging around for libelf.so I found:

curlew:/home/mike% locate libelf.so.1
/usr/lib/libelf.so.1
/usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1
curlew:/home/mike% ls -l /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  90760 30 Apr  2016 /usr/lib/libelf.so.1
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel     15  2 Apr 02:42 /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1@ -> libelf-0.187.so

It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an old version. Booting from 
a memstick image confirms there is no /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 
so I deleted it and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many 
redundant old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially causing 
problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than doing a fresh install from 
scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if 
there's more redundant stuff to clean out.

-- 
Mike Clarke

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After the latest round of package upgrades sysutils/vm-bhyve and graphics/digikam failed to start with the error:


ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libelf.so.1: version ELFUTILS_1.0 required by /usr/local/lib/libdw.so.1 not found


Digging around for libelf.so I found:


curlew:/home/mike% locate libelf.so.1


/usr/lib/libelf.so.1


/usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1


curlew:/home/mike% ls -l /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1


-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  90760 30 Apr  2016 /usr/lib/libelf.so.1


lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel     15  2 Apr 02:42 /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1@ -> libelf-0.187.so


It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted it and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundant old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant stuff to clean out.


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Mike Clarke wrote:
> After the latest round of package upgrades sysutils/vm-bhyve and
> graphics/digikam failed to start with the error:
> 
> 
> ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libelf.so.1: version ELFUTILS_1.0 required by
> /usr/local/lib/libdw.so.1 not found
> 
> 
> Digging around for libelf.so I found:
> 
> 
> curlew:/home/mike% locate libelf.so.1
> 
> /usr/lib/libelf.so.1
> 
> /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1
> 
> curlew:/home/mike% ls -l /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1
> 
> -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  90760 30 Apr  2016 /usr/lib/libelf.so.1
> 
> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel     15  2 Apr 02:42
> /usr/local/lib/libelf.so.1@ -> libelf-0.187.so
> 
> 
> It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an
> old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no
> /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted it
> and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundant
> old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially
> causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than
> doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to
> 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant
> stuff to clean out.

If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*
targets in /usr/src/Makefile.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:
> Mike Clarke wrote:



> > It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an
> > old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no
> > /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted it
> > and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundant
> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially
> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than
> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to
> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant
> > stuff to clean out.
> 
> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*
> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.

I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to updating from source 
this time.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:


> Mike Clarke wrote:


<snip>


> > It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an


> > old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no


> > /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted it


> > and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundant


> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially


> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than


> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to


> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant


> > stuff to clean out.


> 


> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*


> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.


I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to updating from source this time.


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Mike Clarke wrote:
> On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:
> 
>> Mike Clarke wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> > It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from an
> 
>> > old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no
> 
>> > /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted it
> 
>> > and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundant
> 
>> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially
> 
>> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than
> 
>> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to
> 
>> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant
> 
>> > stuff to clean out.
> 
>>
> 
>> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*
> 
>> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.
> 
> 
> I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to
> updating from source this time.

If you have src installed, and it IS up to date with currently running
release, you could try using those targets anyway.

OTOH, I don't know if freebsd-update is supposed to take care of
obsolete files/directories.

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On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 2:41=E2=80=AFPM Yuri  wrote:

> Mike Clarke wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:
> >
> >> Mike Clarke wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >> > It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left over from =
an
> >
> >> > old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is no
> >
> >> > /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1 so I deleted i=
t
> >
> >> > and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many redundan=
t
> >
> >> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially
> >
> >> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other th=
an
> >
> >> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade t=
o
> >
> >> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant
> >
> >> > stuff to clean out.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*
> >
> >> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.
> >
> >
> > I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to
> > updating from source this time.
>
> If you have src installed, and it IS up to date with currently running
> release, you could try using those targets anyway.
>
> OTOH, I don't know if freebsd-update is supposed to take care of
> obsolete files/directories.
>

The final `freebsd-update install` after the reboot, or after rebuilding
all your packages, is supposed to take care of that, IIRC.


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On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 2:41=E2=80=AF=
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e:
Mike Clarke w=
rote:

> On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:

> 

>> Mike Clarke wrote:

> 

> 

> <snip>

> 

> 

>> > It looks like seven year old /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 is left ove=
r from an

> 

>> > old version. Booting from a memstick image confirms there is =
no

> 

>> > /usr/lib/libelf.so.1 in 'out of the box' FreeBSD 13.1=
 so I deleted it

> 

>> > and both programs worked. But this makes me wonder how many r=
edundant

> 

>> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potent=
ially

> 

>> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down o=
ther than

> 

>> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending t=
o upgrade to

> 

>> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's mor=
e redundant

> 

>> > stuff to clean out.

> 

>>

> 

>> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*<=
br>
> 

>> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.

> 

> 

> I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to

> updating from source this time.



If you have src installed, and it IS up to date with currently running

release, you could try using those targets anyway.



OTOH, I don't know if freebsd-update is supposed to take care of

obsolete files/directories.

The final `=
freebsd-update install` after the reboot, or after rebuilding all your pack=
ages, is supposed to take care of that, IIRC.

=


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=
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> The final `freebsd-update install` after the reboot, or after 
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> all your packages, is supposed to take care of that, IIRC.

That's what I assumed but somehow the obsolete 7 year old file 
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> The final `freebsd-update install` after the reboot, or after rebuilding


> all your packages, is supposed to take care of that, IIRC.


That's what I assumed but somehow the obsolete 7 year old file slipped through .


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On 19/04/2023 11:34, Mike Clarke wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I usually use freebsd-update but it might be worth going back to
> updating from source this time.

I looked at this a few years back and the list-old* and delete-old*
targets were "best effort" attempts. There were comments along the lines
of "must add files for xxx here", so yes there could well be the odd
left over file lurking.

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I am attempting get the "Ada language model" that is available via
their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed
packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails to
import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for this
purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.  So
what are the right steps?

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 12:41:32 BST Yuri wrote:

> Mike Clarke wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:
> >> Mike Clarke wrote:



> >> >  But this makes me wonder how many redundant
> >> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially
> >> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than
> >> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to
> >> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant
> >> > stuff to clean out.
> >> 
> >> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*
> >> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.
> 
> If you have src installed, and it IS up to date with currently running
> release, you could try using those targets anyway.
> 
> OTOH, I don't know if freebsd-update is supposed to take care of
> obsolete files/directories.

Thanks. I ran make 'check list-old' and it came up with 150 items, some dating back as far 
as 2010! So I booted into a new BE and ran  delete-old and 
 delete-old-libs to get rid of them.

Everything seems to be working fine now. Some of the old files might have even been the 
cause of a few random crashes I've sometimes had with a couple of programs. But if 
problems arise over the next few daya or weeks I can revert to the earlier BE with all the 
files present.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 12:41:32 BST Yuri wrote:


> Mike Clarke wrote:


> > On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:58:00 BST Yuri wrote:


> >> Mike Clarke wrote:


<snip>


> >> >  But this makes me wonder how many redundant


> >> > old files might be lying around in the base system and potentially


> >> > causing problems. Is there any easy way to track these down other than


> >> > doing a fresh install from scratch? Since I'm intending to upgrade to


> >> > 13.2 soon this could be a good time to see if there's more redundant


> >> > stuff to clean out.


> >> 


> >> If you are using source upgrades, check list-old* and delete-old*


> >> targets in /usr/src/Makefile.


> 


> If you have src installed, and it IS up to date with currently running


> release, you could try using those targets anyway.


> 


> OTOH, I don't know if freebsd-update is supposed to take care of


> obsolete files/directories.


Thanks. I ran make 'check list-old' and it came up with 150 items, some dating back as far as 2010! So I booted into a new BE and ran  delete-old and 


 delete-old-libs to get rid of them.


Everything seems to be working fine now. Some of the old files might have even been the cause of a few random crashes I've sometimes had with a couple of programs. But if problems arise over the next few daya or weeks I can revert to the earlier BE with all the files present.


-- 


Mike Clarke



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I'm interested in installing fastGPT / vicuna on FreeBSD. Is the Ada
Language model good ? Can you provide the instructions for installing it on
Linux ? I need them to try to install it on FreeBSD.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:06=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> I am attempting get the "Ada language model" that is available via
> their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed
> packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails to
> import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for this
> purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.  So
> what are the right steps?
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
>

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I'm interested in installing fastGPT / vicuna on FreeB=
SD. Is the Ada Language model good ? Can you provide the instructions for i=
nstalling it on Linux ? I need them to try to install it on FreeBSD.=C2=A0 =


On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:06=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
=

I am attempting get=
 the "Ada language model" that is available via

their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed

packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails to

import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for this

purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.=C2=A0 So<=
br>
what are the right steps?



-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org






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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 6:14=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> I'm interested in installing fastGPT / vicuna on FreeBSD. Is the Ada Lang=
uage model good ? Can you provide the instructions for installing it on Lin=
ux ? I need them to try to install it on FreeBSD.

I have not been able to try it yet because I am still attempting to
get *ANY* model to work in anyway shape or form on FreeBSD.  Do you
have any pointers on this (I don't care what language it is in)....
everything comes to screeching halt when I try to get pytorch to run
(doesn't build on freebsd or on alpine linux, ubuntu, centos, all
don't work on byhve it seems)... then I tried to get tensor flow to
run with no luck... so the question remains how the  do I get
any ANN model to run?!?!?

>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:06=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman  wrote:
>>
>> I am attempting get the "Ada language model" that is available via
>> their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed
>> packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails to
>> import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for this
>> purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.  So
>> what are the right steps?
>>
>> --
>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>>
>
>
> --
> Mario.



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This is a tutorial that I've written some time ago and that can help you to
achieve your goal with some tinkering :

https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1118eae/how_to_install_the_nvidia=
_driver_5257801_cuda_12/

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:23=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 6:14=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in installing fastGPT / vicuna on FreeBSD. Is the Ada
> Language model good ? Can you provide the instructions for installing it =
on
> Linux ? I need them to try to install it on FreeBSD.
>
> I have not been able to try it yet because I am still attempting to
> get *ANY* model to work in anyway shape or form on FreeBSD.  Do you
> have any pointers on this (I don't care what language it is in)....
> everything comes to screeching halt when I try to get pytorch to run
> (doesn't build on freebsd or on alpine linux, ubuntu, centos, all
> don't work on byhve it seems)... then I tried to get tensor flow to
> run with no luck... so the question remains how the  do I get
> any ANN model to run?!?!?
>
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:06=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am attempting get the "Ada language model" that is available via
> >> their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed
> >> packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails to
> >> import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for this
> >> purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.  So
> >> what are the right steps?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>


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This is a tutorial that I've written some time ag=
o and that can help you to achieve your goal with some tinkering :


On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:23=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> =
wrote:
On Thu, A=
pr 20, 2023 at 6:14=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> I'm interested in installing fastGPT / vicuna on FreeBSD. Is the A=
da Language model good ? Can you provide the instructions for installing it=
 on Linux ? I need them to try to install it on FreeBSD.



I have not been able to try it yet because I am still attempting to

get *ANY* model to work in anyway shape or form on FreeBSD.=C2=A0 Do you
have any pointers on this (I don't care what language it is in)....

everything comes to screeching halt when I try to get pytorch to run

(doesn't build on freebsd or on alpine linux, ubuntu, centos, all

don't work on byhve it seems)... then I tried to get tensor flow to

run with no luck... so the question remains how the <bleep> do I get<=
br>
any ANN model to run?!?!?



>

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 1:06=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com=
> wrote:

>>

>> I am attempting get the "Ada language model" that is ava=
ilable via

>> their API to run locally (chatGPT says all the packages needed

>> packages will run but as soon I finish installing pytorch it fails=
 to

>> import torch)... this is a on 13.2 VM designed specifically for th=
is

>> purpose and I have deinstalled all non-base system stuff from it.=
=C2=A0 So

>> what are the right steps?

>>

>> --

>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org=


>>

>

>

> --

> Mario.







-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org




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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 6:48=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
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> This is a tutorial that I've written some time ago and that can help you =
to achieve your goal with some tinkering :
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/1118eae/how_to_install_the_nvid=
ia_driver_5257801_cuda_12/

Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 100
GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going out
and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was getting
pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source and it
blows up in that build.

--=20
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On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:25:17 BST Mike Clarke wrote:

> After upgrading packages to the the new quarterly release mysql was
> upgraded to 8.0.32 and it fails to start

I restored my mysql5 version of the database and had another attempt at upgrading 
following the description in https://forums.FreeBSD.org/threads/heads-up-mysql-default-version-will-switch-to-8-0.87917/post-597122[1] but still got the error message about the 
Auto-extending innodb_system data file '/var/db/mysql/ibdata1' being a different size than 
specified in the .cnf file.

In the process I'd created a new my.cnf file by copying my.cnf.sample from the upgraded /
usr/local/etc/mysql so I edited my.cnf changing the size for innodb_data_file_path from 
the default 128M to 82M which was the value used before upgrading packages. I was then 
able to start mysql-server without any errors.

But I still see these warnings:

 2023-04-20T08:57:21.863480Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010140] [Server] Could not increase 
number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929) 
2023-04-20T08:57:21.863487Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010142] [Server] Changed limits: 
table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384) 
2023-04-20T08:57:22.063255Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 
'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with 
strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release.
Do I need to do anything about them?

-- 
Mike Clarke

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[1] https://forums.FreeBSD.org/threads/heads-up-mysql-default-version-will-switch-to-8-0.87917/post-597122

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On Saturday, 15 April 2023 17:25:17 BST Mike Clarke wrote:


> After upgrading packages to the the new quarterly release mysql was


> upgraded to 8.0.32 and it fails to start


I restored my mysql5 version of the database and had another attempt at upgrading following the description in https://forums.FreeBSD.org/threads/heads-up-mysql-default-version-will-switch-to-8-0.87917/post-597122 but still got the error message about the Auto-extending innodb_system data file '/var/db/mysql/ibdata1' being a different size than specified in the .cnf file.


In the process I'd created a new my.cnf file by copying my.cnf.sample from the upgraded /usr/local/etc/mysql so I edited my.cnf changing the size for innodb_data_file_path from the default 128M to 82M which was the value used before upgrading packages. I was then able to start mysql-server without any errors.


But I still see these warnings:


 2023-04-20T08:57:21.863480Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010140] [Server] Could not increase number of max_open_files to more than 22500 (request: 32929) 
2023-04-20T08:57:21.863487Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010142] [Server] Changed limits: table_open_cache: 11169 (requested 16384) 
2023-04-20T08:57:22.063255Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010915] [Server] 'NO_ZERO_DATE', 'NO_ZERO_IN_DATE' and 'ERROR_FOR_DIVISION_BY_ZERO' sql modes should be used with strict mode. They will be merged with strict mode in a future release.


Do I need to do anything about them?


-- 


Mike Clarke



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Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =E0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman 
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> Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 100
> GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going out
> and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was getting
> pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source and it
> blows up in that build.

Have you seen
 ?
--=20
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas  wrote:
>
> Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman 
>  =C3=A9crivait :
>
> > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 100
> > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going out
> > and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was getting
> > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source and it
> > blows up in that build.
>
> Have you seen
>  ?

This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find an
intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to do
petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD period).
 Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in any other
way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port
required pytorch


--=20
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try to copy and paste the commands that you have issued on pastebin...i
need to understand the scenario

Il gio 20 apr 2023, 17:51 Aryeh Friedman  ha
scritto:

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas 
> wrote:
> >
> > Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
> >  =C3=A9crivait :
> >
> > > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 100
> > > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going out
> > > and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was getting
> > > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source and i=
t
> > > blows up in that build.
> >
> > Have you seen
> >  ?
>
> This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find an
> intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to do
> petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD period).
>  Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in any other
> way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port
> required pytorch
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
>

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try to copy and paste the commands that you have issued o=
n pastebin...i need to understand the scenario

Il gio 20 apr 2023, 17:51 Ary=
eh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@=
gmail.com> ha scritto:
On Th=
u, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas <thierry@freebsd.org<=
/a>> wrote:

>

> Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman <a=
ryeh.friedman@gmail.com>

>=C2=A0 =C3=A9crivait :

>

> > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and =
100

> > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going o=
ut

> > and getting the hardware to do GPU.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The problem I had=
 was getting

> > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source a=
nd it

> > blows up in that build.

>

> Have you seen

> <https://bugs.freebsd.o=
rg/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D269739> ?



This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find an

intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to do

petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD period).

=C2=A0Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in any other=


way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port

required pytorch





-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org






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My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbps line.
Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.

I'm wondering if others have different recommendations.
Also wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are;
it's not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports
G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.

Thanks,

Gary

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I use Signal on a daily basis on FreeBSD (currently running 13.2-RELEASE).

Suddenly I discovered, after an upgrade using pkg, that it is no longer present on my system and installing it as a package isn't working.

pkg install signal-desktop
Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
FreeBSD repository is up to date.
All repositories are up to date.
pkg: No packages available to install matching 'signal-desktop' have been found in the repositories

It's clearly available in ports in net-im, but suddenly no longer available as a package.

I am running with "latest", not "quarterly".

Where did the signal-desktop package go?



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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> try to copy and paste the commands that you have issued on pastebin...i n=
eed to understand the scenario

After saving the patch from the bug report to PORT/files and running
portmaster -P misc/pytourch (brand new machine except for  installing
portmaster):

c/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AVX2.cpp.o -c
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AV=
X2.cpp
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AV=
X2.cpp:1:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp:3:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/native/ufunc/add=
.h:6:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/function=
al.h:3:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/function=
al_base.h:6:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec.h:6:
In file included from
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256.h:12:
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:253:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_acosf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:256:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_asinf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:259:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_atanf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:280:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_erff8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:283:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_erfcf8_u15);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:300:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_expf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:303:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_expm1f8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:393:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_logf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:396:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_log2f8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:399:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_log10f8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:402:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_log1pf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:406:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_sinf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:409:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_sinhf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
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ec256_bfloat16.h:412:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_cosf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
                                                ^
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ec256_bfloat16.h:415:16:
error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_coshf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
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(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
(vector of 8 'float' values))
    return map(Sleef_tanf8_u10);
               ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
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  Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
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>
> Il gio 20 apr 2023, 17:51 Aryeh Friedman  ha sc=
ritto:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas  wrote:
>> >
>> > Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman 
>> >  =C3=A9crivait :
>> >
>> > > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 100
>> > > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going out
>> > > and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was getting
>> > > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source and =
it
>> > > blows up in that build.
>> >
>> > Have you seen
>> >  ?
>>
>> This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find an
>> intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to do
>> petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD period).
>>  Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in any other
>> way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port
>> required pytorch
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>>


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On 21/04/2023 00:05, iio7@tutanota.com<=
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Where did the signal-desktop=
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Via
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ts/102lt8a/-/>:=C2=A0

    
U=
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:59=E2=80=AFPM Gary Aitken 
wrote:

> My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbps line.
> Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.
>
> I'm wondering if others have different recommendations.
> Also wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are;
> it's not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports
> G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
>

I'd go with something that is MODERN!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N5C139T?tag=3Dtheapprovedmodems-20&linkCode=3D=
assoc-rails-rate-card-link-code-tw3&th=3D1&psc=3D1
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:59=E2=80=
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eamchaser.org> wrote:
My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbp=
s line.

Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.



I'm wondering if others have different recommendations.

Also wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are;

it's not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports
G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.



Thanks,



Gary

I'd go with something that is =
MODERN!


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Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like below ?

# fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f=
4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

# /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall
-ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

# pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
# miniconda-installer
# bash
# source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
# conda activate

(base) # conda activate pytorch


On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 2:38=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > try to copy and paste the commands that you have issued on pastebin...i
> need to understand the scenario
>
> After saving the patch from the bug report to PORT/files and running
> portmaster -P misc/pytourch (brand new machine except for  installing
> portmaster):
>
> c/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AVX2.cpp.o -c
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.=
AVX2.cpp
> In file included from
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.=
AVX2.cpp:1:
> In file included from
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp:=
3:
> In file included from
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/native/ufunc/a=
dd.h:6:
> In file included from
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/functi=
onal.h:3:
> In file included from
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/functi=
onal_base.h:6:
> In file included from
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec.h:=
6:
> In file included from
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256.h:12:
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:253:16:
> error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
> (*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
> return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
> (vector of 8 'float' values))
>     return map(Sleef_acosf8_u10);
>                ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
> note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
>   Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
>                                                 ^
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:256:16:
> error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
> (*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
> return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
> (vector of 8 'float' values))
>     return map(Sleef_asinf8_u10);
>                ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
> note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
>   Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
>                                                 ^
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:259:16:
> error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
> (*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
> return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
> (vector of 8 'float' values))
>     return map(Sleef_atanf8_u10);
>                ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
> note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
>   Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
>                                                 ^
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:280:16:
> error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
> (*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
> return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
> (vector of 8 'float' values))
>     return map(Sleef_erff8_u10);
>                ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:
> note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here
>   Vectorized map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) const {
>                                                 ^
>
> /usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256=
/vec256_bfloat16.h:283:16:
> error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256
> (*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': different
> return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs '__m256'
> (vector of 8 'float' values))
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> >
> > Il gio 20 apr 2023, 17:51 Aryeh Friedman  ha
> scritto:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com>
> >> >  =C3=A9crivait :
> >> >
> >> > > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB RAM and 1=
00
> >> > > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is worse going ou=
t
> >> > > and getting the hardware to do GPU.   The problem I had was gettin=
g
> >> > > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from source an=
d
> it
> >> > > blows up in that build.
> >> >
> >> > Have you seen
> >> >  ?
> >>
> >> This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find an
> >> intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to do
> >> petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD period).
> >>  Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in any other
> >> way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port
> >> required pytorch
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
> >>
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>


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Mario.

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Can't you install pytorch using the =
linux miniconda installer like below ? 

# fetch https://gist.gith=
ubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607=
e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

# /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall -=
ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

# pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
# miniconda-installer
# bash
# source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
# conda activate

(base) # conda activate pytorch


On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 2:38=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> w=
rote:
On Thu, Ap=
r 20, 2023 at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> try to copy and paste the commands that you have issued on pastebin...=
i need to understand the scenario



After saving the patch from the bug report to PORT/files and running

portmaster -P misc/pytourch (brand new machine except for=C2=A0 installing<=
br>
portmaster):



c/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AVX2.cpp.o -c

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AV=
X2.cpp

In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp.AV=
X2.cpp:1:

In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/.build/aten/src/ATen/UfuncCPUKernel_add.cpp:3:=


In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/native/ufunc/add=
.h:6:

In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/function=
al.h:3:

In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/function=
al_base.h:6:

In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec.h:6:=


In file included from

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256.h:12:

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:253:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_acosf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:256:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_asinf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:259:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_atanf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:280:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_erff8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:283:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_erfcf8_u15);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:300:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_expf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:303:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_expm1f8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:393:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_logf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:396:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_log2f8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:399:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_log10f8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:402:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_log1pf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:406:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_sinf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:409:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_sinhf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:412:16:

error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'const __m256

(*)(__m256)' with an lvalue of type '__m256 (__m256)': differen=
t

return type ('const __m256' (vector of 8 'float' values) vs=
 '__m256'

(vector of 8 'float' values))

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 return map(Sleef_cosf8_u10);

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:209:49:

note: passing argument to parameter 'vop' here

=C2=A0 Vectorized<BFloat16> map(const __m256 (*const vop)(__m256)) co=
nst {

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ^

/usr/ports/misc/pytorch/work/pytorch-v1.13.1/aten/src/ATen/cpu/vec/vec256/v=
ec256_bfloat16.h:415:16:

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>

> Il gio 20 apr 2023, 17:51 Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> ha sc=
ritto:

>>

>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:52=E2=80=AFAM Thierry Thomas <thierry@freebsd.org&g=
t; wrote:

>> >

>> > Le jeu. 20 avr. 23 =C3=A0 12:53:05 +0200, Aryeh Friedman <=
aryeh.friedma=
n@gmail.com>

>> >=C2=A0 =C3=A9crivait :

>> >

>> > > Running without GPU (for now) on a bhyve vm (3 CPU, 2 GB=
 RAM and 100

>> > > GB of disk) which I intend for determining if it is wors=
e going out

>> > > and getting the hardware to do GPU.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The prob=
lem I had was getting

>> > > pytorch to work since it appears I have to build it from=
 source and it

>> > > blows up in that build.

>> >

>> > Have you seen

>> > <https://bugs.freebsd.org=
/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D269739> ?

>>

>> This seems to be true for all OS's I guess I will have to find=
 an

>> intel machine... this is as bad as the motivation that led me to d=
o

>> petitecloud in the first place (openstack not running on AMD perio=
d).

>>=C2=A0 Is there just no way to run a ANN in pytorch data format in =
any other

>> way that is not python (like Java?!!?) note the tensorflow port
>> required pytorch

>>

>>

>> --

>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org=


>>





-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org




-- 
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The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs for)
the more obvious it just doesn't work on

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like below =
?
>
> # fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c6=
0f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
>
> # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall=
 -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
>
> # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> # miniconda-installer
> # bash
> # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> # conda activate
>
> (base) # conda activate pytorch
>
Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?   After playing with it
in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a
compatible version

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You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxulator. I don't think
the type of cpu will make any difference. I've used the Intel I9 cpu. I
tried FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problems. For sure using python env
is tricky,but if you have the thinkering attitude,you will have some fun.

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs for)
> the more obvious it just doesn't work on
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like belo=
w
> ?
> >
> > # fetch
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797=
e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >
> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wa=
ll
> -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >
> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> > # miniconda-installer
> > # bash
> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> > # conda activate
> >
> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
> >
> Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?   After playing with it
> in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a
> compatible version
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>


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You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxul=
ator. I don't think the type of cpu will make any difference. I've =
used the Intel I9 cpu. I tried FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problem=
s. For sure using python env is tricky,but if you have the thinkering attit=
ude,you will have some fun. 

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Ar=
yeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman=
@gmail.com> wrote:
The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is doc=
s for)

the more obvious it just doesn't work on



On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> =
wrote:

>

> Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like=
 below ?

>

> # fetch https://gist.githubuse=
rcontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af=
405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -W=
all -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer

> # miniconda-installer

> # bash

> # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh

> # conda activate

>

> (base) # conda activate pytorch

>

Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?=C2=A0 =C2=A0After playing wi=
th it

in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a

compatible version



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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxulator. I don't think=
 the type of cpu will make any difference. I've used the Intel I9 cpu. I tr=
ied FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problems. For sure using python env is=
 tricky,but if you have the thinkering attitude,you will have some fun.

I already have a VM allocated on it (the same host has 3 other VM's on
it).   I guess that is one thing I missed was the linuxulator (the
linsuckslator is more like it) and as far tinkering goes it is fine to
a point but not when it has taken *DAYS* away from paying projects (I
am a freelancer).

BTW I will be trying your specific command lines tomorrow (I must get
back to paid work).

P.S. The point of this project is to start a new project called
babySpock that is a personal assistant for me and my programming
partner/wife in all but legal detail.  babySpock will hopefully be
able to help with pair programming/design brainstorming, general
clerical office tasks, be a halfway decent conversation partner
(roughly on or near the level of chatGPT which inspired this project
in the first place in order to increase the amount of "context" that
it could store and to slice and dice context as needed to feed the
more expensive models just relevant context as well use multiple
models.... basically a DIY hobbyist AM (artificial mind with the final
goal being artificial mature minds [AMM] instead of AGI due to the
rule making paradox) lab that has to "earn its own way in life" (i.e.
if it is not useful it will likely die from misuse).

>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman  wrote:
>>
>> The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs for)
>> the more obvious it just doesn't work on
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like bel=
ow ?
>> >
>> > # fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b000=
0c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_overrid=
e.c
>> >
>> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -W=
all -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
>> >
>> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
>> > # miniconda-installer
>> > # bash
>> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
>> > # conda activate
>> >
>> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
>> >
>> Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?   After playing with it
>> in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a
>> compatible version
>>
>> --
>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
>
>
> --
> Mario.



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From: Mario Marietto 
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 14:30:30 +0200
Message-ID: 
Subject: Re: Installing openAI's GPT-2 Ada AI Language Model
To: Aryeh Friedman 
Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , 
	FreeBSD Mailing List , Yuri Victorovich 
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If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or less
the following :


sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubunt=
u

# Make it have this content:

#!/bin/sh
#
# PROVIDE: ubuntu
# REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
# KEYWORD: nojail
#
# This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
# Based on the script by mrclksr:
# https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu.=
in
#
. /etc/rc.subr

name=3D"ubuntu"
desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
stop_cmd=3D":"

unmounted()
{
    [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \
      `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]
}

ubuntu_start()
{
    local _emul_path _tmpdir

    load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
    case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
    amd64)
        load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
        ;;
    esac
    if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
        _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
        /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
        if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; =
then
            cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache
        fi
        rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
    fi

    # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
    load_kld pty

    # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX.
    if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
        sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
    fi

    if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
        sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
    fi
    sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu

    _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs
"${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t
fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777
-t tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /home
"${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs
linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t linsysfs
linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp
"${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)
    unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/fd || ex=
it 1)
    unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || exit 1)
    true
}

load_rc_config $name
run_rc_command "$1"

sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES

# Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,=
/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}

# Start Ubuntu service:
service ubuntu start

# Install needed packages:
pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio

# Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu

# Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:
service ubuntu restart

# Fix broken symlink:
cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s
../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

# Chroot into your Linux environment:
chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash

# Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here,
otherwise it fails.

# Fix APT package manager:
printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude

# Enable more repositories:
printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list

# Install required programs:
apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola
gnupg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran

# Exit out of chroot
exit

# Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd
cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib


--> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD


# fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f=
4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

# /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall
-ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

# pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
# miniconda-installer
# bash
# source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
# conda activate

(base) # conda activate pytorch

(pytorch) # conda activate

(base) # conda activate

(base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork


On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:34=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxulator. I don't
> think the type of cpu will make any difference. I've used the Intel I9 cp=
u.
> I tried FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problems. For sure using python
> env is tricky,but if you have the thinkering attitude,you will have some
> fun.
>
> I already have a VM allocated on it (the same host has 3 other VM's on
> it).   I guess that is one thing I missed was the linuxulator (the
> linsuckslator is more like it) and as far tinkering goes it is fine to
> a point but not when it has taken *DAYS* away from paying projects (I
> am a freelancer).
>
> BTW I will be trying your specific command lines tomorrow (I must get
> back to paid work).
>
> P.S. The point of this project is to start a new project called
> babySpock that is a personal assistant for me and my programming
> partner/wife in all but legal detail.  babySpock will hopefully be
> able to help with pair programming/design brainstorming, general
> clerical office tasks, be a halfway decent conversation partner
> (roughly on or near the level of chatGPT which inspired this project
> in the first place in order to increase the amount of "context" that
> it could store and to slice and dice context as needed to feed the
> more expensive models just relevant context as well use multiple
> models.... basically a DIY hobbyist AM (artificial mind with the final
> goal being artificial mature minds [AMM] instead of AGI due to the
> rule making paradox) lab that has to "earn its own way in life" (i.e.
> if it is not useful it will likely die from misuse).
>
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs for)
> >> the more obvious it just doesn't work on
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like
> below ?
> >> >
> >> > # fetch
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797=
e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >> >
> >> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 =
-Wall
> -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >> >
> >> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> >> > # miniconda-installer
> >> > # bash
> >> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> >> > # conda activate
> >> >
> >> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
> >> >
> >> Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?   After playing with it
> >> in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a
> >> compatible version
> >>
> >> --
> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>


--=20
Mario.

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If you don't want to use the GPU,the=
 commands should be more or less the following :


sudo touch /usr=
/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu

# Make it have this content:

#!/bin/sh
#
# PROVIDE: ubuntu
# REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
# KEYWORD: nojail
#
# This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
# Based on the script by mrclksr:
# https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main=
/rc.d/ubuntu.in
#
. /etc/rc.subr

name=3D"ubuntu"
desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
stop_cmd=3D":"

unmounted()
{
    [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d"=
; "$1/.."` -a \
      `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" =
"$1/.."` ]
}

ubuntu_start()
{
    local _emul_path _tmpdir

    load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
    case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
    amd64)
        load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
        ;;
    esac
    if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
        _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
        /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
        if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; =
then
            cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache
        fi
        rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
    fi

    # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
    load_kld pty

    # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX.
    if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
        sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
    fi

    if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
        sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
    fi
    sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu

    _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t=
 devfs devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover=
,linrdlnk -t fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocove=
r,mode=3D1777 -t tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /h=
ome "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -=
t linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t=
 linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
    unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tm=
p "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)
    unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/=
fd || exit 1)
    unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || =
exit 1)
    true
}

load_rc_config $name
run_rc_command "$1"

sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES

# Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,=
/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}

# Start Ubuntu service:
service ubuntu start

# Install needed packages:
pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio

# Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu

# Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:
service ubuntu restart

# Fix broken symlink:
cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s ../li=
b/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x8=
6-64.so.2

# Chroot into your Linux environment:
chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash

# Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here, othe=
rwise it fails.

# Fix APT package manager:
printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00a=
ptitude

# Enable more repositories:
printf "deb http://archi=
ve.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted universe multiverse" &=
gt; /etc/apt/sources.list

# Install required programs:

apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnup=
g pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran

# Exit out of chroot
exit

# Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd
cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib


--> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD

# fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e=
/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

# /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall -=
ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

# pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
# miniconda-installer
# bash
# source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
# conda activate

(base) # conda activate pytorch

(pytorch) # conda activate

(base) # conda activate

(base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork



On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:34=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> w=
rote:
On Fri, Ap=
r 21, 2023 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxulator. I don&=
#39;t think the type of cpu will make any difference. I've used the Int=
el I9 cpu. I tried FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problems. For sure =
using python env is tricky,but if you have the thinkering attitude,you will=
 have some fun.



I already have a VM allocated on it (the same host has 3 other VM's on<=
br>
it).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I guess that is one thing I missed was the linuxulator (th=
e

linsuckslator is more like it) and as far tinkering goes it is fine to

a point but not when it has taken *DAYS* away from paying projects (I

am a freelancer).



BTW I will be trying your specific command lines tomorrow (I must get

back to paid work).



P.S. The point of this project is to start a new project called

babySpock that is a personal assistant for me and my programming

partner/wife in all but legal detail.=C2=A0 babySpock will hopefully be

able to help with pair programming/design brainstorming, general

clerical office tasks, be a halfway decent conversation partner

(roughly on or near the level of chatGPT which inspired this project

in the first place in order to increase the amount of "context" t=
hat

it could store and to slice and dice context as needed to feed the

more expensive models just relevant context as well use multiple

models.... basically a DIY hobbyist AM (artificial mind with the final

goal being artificial mature minds [AMM] instead of AGI due to the

rule making paradox) lab that has to "earn its own way in life" (=
i.e.

if it is not useful it will likely die from misuse).



>

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.co=
m> wrote:

>>

>> The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs =
for)

>> the more obvious it just doesn't work on

>>

>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com=
> wrote:

>> >

>> > Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda insta=
ller like below ?

>> >

>> > # fetch https://gist.=
githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f64098324=
9607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

>> >

>> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=
=3Dc99 -Wall -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

>> >

>> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer

>> > # miniconda-installer

>> > # bash

>> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh

>> > # conda activate

>> >

>> > (base) # conda activate pytorch

>> >

>> Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?=C2=A0 =C2=A0After p=
laying with it

>> in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't fi=
nd a

>> compatible version

>>

>> --

>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org=


>

>

>

> --

> Mario.







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I have a tutorial I wrote on how to setup PyTorch on FreeBSD with Stable 
Diffusion.

  https://github.com/verm/freebsd-stable-diffusion

There are some issues with getting PyTorch working on FreeBSD and it's kind of a 
moving target I had it working once but it quickly broke this was years ago 
using the Linuxlator it's been rock solid for years.

Another thing to note is the miniconda-installer script is hardcoded to an old 
version of Python you'll have to edit line 56 in the script and change it to 3.9 
or 3.10.  Not sure what to do about this yet I haven't had a chance to email the 
maintainer.

I'd recommend going this route.


Amar.

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On 4/20/23 22:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:59 PM Gary Aitken
> > wrote:
> 
> My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbps line. 
> Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.
> 
> I'm wondering if others have different recommendations. Also 
> wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are; it's
> not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports
> G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.

> I'd go with something that is MODERN!
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N5C139T?tag=theapprovedmodems-20&linkCode=assoc-rails-rate-card-link-code-tw3&th=1&psc=1

Doesn't do much good when you live in a rural location where top speed
is 10 Mbps and they have to put a repeater on the line to get that.

Gary


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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AFPM Gary Aitken  wrote:

> On 4/20/23 22:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:59=E2=80=AFPM Gary Aitken
> > > wrote:
> >
> > My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbps line.
> > Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.
> >
> > I'm wondering if others have different recommendations. Also
> > wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are; it's
> > not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports
> > G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.
>
> > I'd go with something that is MODERN!
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N5C139T?tag=3Dtheapprovedmodems-20&linkCode=
=3Dassoc-rails-rate-card-link-code-tw3&th=3D1&psc=3D1
>
> Doesn't do much good when you live in a rural location where top speed
> is 10 Mbps and they have to put a repeater on the line to get that.
>
> Gary
>

At least you get a taste of "future" speeds within the LAN :-)


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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AF=
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On 4/20/23 22:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote:



> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:59=E2=80=AFPM Gary Aitken

> <freeb=
sd@dreamchaser.org <mailto:freebsd@dreamchaser.org>> wrote:

> 

> My Zyxel 642R appears to be dying; can't deal with a 10Mbps line. =


> Recommendation from my ISP is a Zyxel VMG 4005-B50B.

> 

> I'm wondering if others have different recommendations. Also 

> wondering what the difference between a B50B and a B50A are; it's<=
br>
> not obvious to me looking at specs, other than the B50A supports

> G.993.1 VDSL which shouldn't be important I don't think.



> I'd go with something that is MODERN!

> 

> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N5C=
139T?tag=3Dtheapprovedmodems-20&linkCode=3Dassoc-rails-rate-card-link-c=
ode-tw3&th=3D1&psc=3D1



Doesn't do much good when you live in a rural location where top speed<=
br>
is 10 Mbps and they have to put a repeater on the line to get that.



Gary

At least you get a taste of "=
future" speeds within the LAN :-)=C2=A0

<=
div>
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ICT builder wrote on 4/17/23 9:50 AM:
> On 17-04-2023 12:31, ICT builder wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> After I copied data to /data and portsnap fetch extract filled 
>> /usr/ports I get:
>>
>>
>> # zfs list /usr/ports
>> NAME                 USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
>> zroot/ROOT/default  1.49G   202G     1.49G  /
> [snip]
>
>
>> zfs list shows data in plce but ls shows nothing.
>>
>> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong ?
>
> I already got it solved;
>
> my /etc/rc.conf was lacking:
> zfs_enable="YES"
>
> Oops, sorry for unneeded noise ...

I've done that. More than once. No worries.

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Robert Huff wrote on 4/8/23 6:56 PM:
> Hello:
> 	I have an older APC UPS (BackUPS RS 1500) that after years of
> excellent service _may_ need to be replaced.
> 	Is there a particular brand - or even model - that folks would
> recommend for a medium-to-heavy home office environment?  (This isn't
> the only UPS; it's just the only one causiong problems right now.)
> 	Budget is not unlimited, so I'm not looking for anything fancy;
> just something that will (with replacement batteries) just do its job
> for the next 15+ years.
> 	And - of course - works with software running on FreeGSD.  (I use
> apcupsd, and have seen nut used elsewhere.)
>
I'm now a fan of Eaton products after it was recommended. I use it with NUT.

* 
https://dan.langille.org/2020/09/07/monitoring-your-ups-using-nut-on-freebsd/
* https://dan.langille.org/2020/09/10/nut-testing-the-shutdown-mechanism/
* https://dan.langille.org/2020/09/13/nut-testing-shutdown-and-startup/

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Andrea Venturoli wrote on 4/12/23 3:20 AM:
> On 4/11/23 21:49, Alexander Burke wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Don't forget that you can change the cooling fans for something quieter.
>
> Hello.
>
> It's not that the fan are necessarily noisier; IME (on a limited range 
> of models), APCs will only run fans when on battery or charging or 
> room is very hot, while Eatons' fans are always-on.
> Fine for a server room, not for an office where people work.
>

I agree.

I changed the fans.

https://hardforum.com/threads/5px2200-ups-cooling-noise-management.1824738/#post-1044773971

So have others:

* 
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/cz5846/report_quiet_eaton_ups_by_replacing_stock_fan/
* 
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2162510-eaton-9130-ups-tower-fan-replacement

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It appears there is a core of people who are interested in various DIY
AI (using existing ANN's like GPT-2) on FreeBSD.   As it turns out
getting this up and running is "fun" to say the least and I suspect
the number of interested people will grow.   So how do I get such a
list made on the freebsd.org mailing lists?  (something like
freebsd-ai@ perhaps)

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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:41=E2=80=AFAM Amar Takhar  wro=
te:
>
> I have a tutorial I wrote on how to setup PyTorch on FreeBSD with Stable
> Diffusion.
>
>   https://github.com/verm/freebsd-stable-diffusion

Thanks for the pointer but it assumes I have a (nvidia) GPU available.
  Since this is a VM on bhyve there is no currently working GPU
passthrough for it.  (I do use a nVidia Geforce GT 1030 with
nvidia-modeselect but it is not passable to the VM and due to hardware
resources don't have a physical machine I can assign to the task).

I have gotten as far as the part in the blog as installing pyTorch and
keep getting "no compatible versions found" out of pip and when I
search for any suitable ones it seems to not be there.   Thus I have
to revert to building pytorch from scratch and it blows up because the
host/guest CPU is not Intel.

>
> There are some issues with getting PyTorch working on FreeBSD and it's ki=
nd of a
> moving target I had it working once but it quickly broke this was years a=
go
> using the Linuxlator it's been rock solid for years.
>
> Another thing to note is the miniconda-installer script is hardcoded to a=
n old
> version of Python you'll have to edit line 56 in the script and change it=
 to 3.9
> or 3.10.  Not sure what to do about this yet I haven't had a chance to em=
ail the
> maintainer.
>
> I'd recommend going this route.
>
>
> Amar.
>


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1) try to use the linuxulator instead of bhyve (try to remember what Albert
Einstein tells about those people that want to solve a problem without
changing their perspective : he does not spend nice words for those people)

2) actually an nvidia gpu can be passed-thru within linux (and within
windows 11 if the gpu is amd)

3) the tutorial that we are suggesting may work even if you don't want to
use your gpu

4) probably you should find the exact version of pytorch that it wants


On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:34=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 9:41=E2=80=AFAM Amar Takhar  w=
rote:
> >
> > I have a tutorial I wrote on how to setup PyTorch on FreeBSD with Stabl=
e
> > Diffusion.
> >
> >   https://github.com/verm/freebsd-stable-diffusion
>
> Thanks for the pointer but it assumes I have a (nvidia) GPU available.
>   Since this is a VM on bhyve there is no currently working GPU
> passthrough for it.  (I do use a nVidia Geforce GT 1030 with
> nvidia-modeselect but it is not passable to the VM and due to hardware
> resources don't have a physical machine I can assign to the task).
>
> I have gotten as far as the part in the blog as installing pyTorch and
> keep getting "no compatible versions found" out of pip and when I
> search for any suitable ones it seems to not be there.   Thus I have
> to revert to building pytorch from scratch and it blows up because the
> host/guest CPU is not Intel.
>
> >
> > There are some issues with getting PyTorch working on FreeBSD and it's
> kind of a
> > moving target I had it working once but it quickly broke this was years
> ago
> > using the Linuxlator it's been rock solid for years.
> >
> > Another thing to note is the miniconda-installer script is hardcoded to
> an old
> > version of Python you'll have to edit line 56 in the script and change
> it to 3.9
> > or 3.10.  Not sure what to do about this yet I haven't had a chance to
> email the
> > maintainer.
> >
> > I'd recommend going this route.
> >
> >
> > Amar.
> >
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
>

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Mario.

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1) try to use the linuxulator instead of bhyve (try t=
o remember what Albert Einstein tells about those people that want to solve=
 a problem without changing their perspective : he does not spend nice word=
s for those people)

2) actually an nvidia gpu =
can be passed-thru within linux (and within windows 11 if the gpu is amd)

3) the tutorial that we are suggesting may work eve=
n if you don't want to use your gpu

4) probabl=
y you should find the exact version of pytorch that it wants
=


On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:34=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wro=
te:
On Fri, Apr =
21, 2023 at 9:41=E2=80=AFAM Amar Takhar <verm@darkbeer.org> wrote:

>

> I have a tutorial I wrote on how to setup PyTorch on FreeBSD with Stab=
le

> Diffusion.

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://github.com/verm/freebsd-sta=
ble-diffusion



Thanks for the pointer but it assumes I have a (nvidia) GPU available.

=C2=A0 Since this is a VM on bhyve there is no currently working GPU

passthrough for it.=C2=A0 (I do use a nVidia Geforce GT 1030 with

nvidia-modeselect but it is not passable to the VM and due to hardware

resources don't have a physical machine I can assign to the task).



I have gotten as far as the part in the blog as installing pyTorch and

keep getting "no compatible versions found" out of pip and when I=


search for any suitable ones it seems to not be there.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thus I h=
ave

to revert to building pytorch from scratch and it blows up because the

host/guest CPU is not Intel.



>

> There are some issues with getting PyTorch working on FreeBSD and it&#=
39;s kind of a

> moving target I had it working once but it quickly broke this was year=
s ago

> using the Linuxlator it's been rock solid for years.

>

> Another thing to note is the miniconda-installer script is hardcoded t=
o an old

> version of Python you'll have to edit line 56 in the script and ch=
ange it to 3.9

> or 3.10.=C2=A0 Not sure what to do about this yet I haven't had a =
chance to email the

> maintainer.

>

> I'd recommend going this route.

>

>

> Amar.

>





-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org






-- 
Mario.


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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 5:37=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> 1) try to use the linuxulator instead of bhyve (try to remember what Albe=
rt Einstein tells about those people that want to solve a problem without c=
hanging their perspective : he does not spend nice words for those people)

For long term deployment options (eventually I want a VM image people
can just download and run) running it on the host in the long term is
not a good idea and due to lack of hardware resources (and budget) the
only non-production/development platform that I can use is a VM on my
production VM host (has 3 other production machines on it).   Thus
*ANY* solution that does not involve VM's is a non-go.

>
> 2) actually an nvidia gpu can be passed-thru within linux (and within win=
dows 11 if the gpu is amd)

See above we don't want to force people to have specific hardware.
If I remember right, weren't you the person I was helping late last
year to setup pass-thru on bhyve for your nvidia and it turned out to
need a bhyve patch (I assume from what you have said this was for the
2 os's you mentioned).   If I remember right this was specifically so
you could set up GPT-2.

>
> 3) the tutorial that we are suggesting may work even if you don't want to=
 use your gpu

I was pointed to another tutorial privately that explains how to do it
on a VM (I hope ;-))

>
> 4) probably you should find the exact version of pytorch that it wants

According to chatGPT (and other sources) it will work on anything
newer than 1.13 but does not specify anything beyond that.

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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or less the =
following :
>
>
> sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubu=
ntu
>
> # Make it have this content:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> #
> # PROVIDE: ubuntu
> # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
> # KEYWORD: nojail
> #
> # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
> # Based on the script by mrclksr:
> # https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubunt=
u.in
> #
> . /etc/rc.subr
>
> name=3D"ubuntu"
> desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
> rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
> start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
> stop_cmd=3D":"
>
> unmounted()
> {
>     [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \
>       `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]
> }
>
> ubuntu_start()
> {
>     local _emul_path _tmpdir
>
>     load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
>     case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
>     amd64)
>         load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
>         ;;
>     esac
>     if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
>         _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
>         /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
>         if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache=
; then
>             cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache
>         fi
>         rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
>     fi
>
>     # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
>     load_kld pty
>
>     # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX.
>     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
>         sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
>     fi
>
>     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
>         sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
>     fi
>     sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu
>
>     _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs "${=
_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t fde=
scfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777 -t=
 tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /home "${_emul_pat=
h}/home" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linp=
rocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsys=
fs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
>     unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp "${_emul_path}=
/tmp" || exit 1)
>     unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/fd || =
exit 1)
>     unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || exit 1=
)
>     true
> }
>
> load_rc_config $name
> run_rc_command "$1"
>
> sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES
>
> # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
> mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/hom=
e,/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}
>
> # Start Ubuntu service:
> service ubuntu start
>
> # Install needed packages:
> pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio
>
> # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
> debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu
>
> # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:
> service ubuntu restart
>
> # Fix broken symlink:
> cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s ../lib/x86_=
64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>
> # Chroot into your Linux environment:
> chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash
>
> # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
> printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here, ot=
herwise it fails.
>
> # Fix APT package manager:
> printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude
>
> # Enable more repositories:
> printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted unive=
rse multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> # Install required programs:
>
> apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnupg =
pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran
>
> # Exit out of chroot
> exit
>
> # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd
> cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib
>
>
> --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD
>
>
> # fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c6=
0f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
>
> # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall=
 -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
>
> # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> # miniconda-installer
> # bash
> # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> # conda activate
>
> (base) # conda activate pytorch
>
> (pytorch) # conda activate
>
> (base) # conda activate
>
> (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork


I have done that I think and get:

(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python
src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
--length 512
python: can't open file
'/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno 2]
No such file or directory
(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/
(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python
src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
--length 512
2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I
tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow
binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in
performance-critical operations.
To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,
rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.
2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W
tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:
Could not find TensorRT
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py",
line 9, in 
    import model, sample, encoder
  File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in 
    from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'


>
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:34=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>> >
>> > You don't need bhyve to make that,but only the Linuxulator. I don't th=
ink the type of cpu will make any difference. I've used the Intel I9 cpu. I=
 tried FreeBSD 13.1 and I haven't found problems. For sure using python env=
 is tricky,but if you have the thinkering attitude,you will have some fun.
>>
>> I already have a VM allocated on it (the same host has 3 other VM's on
>> it).   I guess that is one thing I missed was the linuxulator (the
>> linsuckslator is more like it) and as far tinkering goes it is fine to
>> a point but not when it has taken *DAYS* away from paying projects (I
>> am a freelancer).
>>
>> BTW I will be trying your specific command lines tomorrow (I must get
>> back to paid work).
>>
>> P.S. The point of this project is to start a new project called
>> babySpock that is a personal assistant for me and my programming
>> partner/wife in all but legal detail.  babySpock will hopefully be
>> able to help with pair programming/design brainstorming, general
>> clerical office tasks, be a halfway decent conversation partner
>> (roughly on or near the level of chatGPT which inspired this project
>> in the first place in order to increase the amount of "context" that
>> it could store and to slice and dice context as needed to feed the
>> more expensive models just relevant context as well use multiple
>> models.... basically a DIY hobbyist AM (artificial mind with the final
>> goal being artificial mature minds [AMM] instead of AGI due to the
>> rule making paradox) lab that has to "earn its own way in life" (i.e.
>> if it is not useful it will likely die from misuse).
>>
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:26=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The more I am fighting with it in linux (only thing there is docs for=
)
>> >> the more obvious it just doesn't work on
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Can't you install pytorch using the linux miniconda installer like =
below ?
>> >> >
>> >> > # fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b=
0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_over=
ride.c
>> >> >
>> >> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99=
 -Wall -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
>> >> >
>> >> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
>> >> > # miniconda-installer
>> >> > # bash
>> >> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
>> >> > # conda activate
>> >> >
>> >> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
>> >> >
>> >> Will this work a bhyve on an AMD Ryzen 5 host?   After playing with i=
t
>> >> in several linux instances I always get stuck when it can't find a
>> >> compatible version
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mario.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>
>
>
> --
> Mario.



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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or less th=
e
> following :
> >
> >
> > sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu
> >
> > # Make it have this content:
> >
> > #!/bin/sh
> > #
> > # PROVIDE: ubuntu
> > # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
> > # KEYWORD: nojail
> > #
> > # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
> > # Based on the script by mrclksr:
> > #
> https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu.=
in
> > #
> > . /etc/rc.subr
> >
> > name=3D"ubuntu"
> > desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
> > rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
> > start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
> > stop_cmd=3D":"
> >
> > unmounted()
> > {
> >     [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \
> >       `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]
> > }
> >
> > ubuntu_start()
> > {
> >     local _emul_path _tmpdir
> >
> >     load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
> >     case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
> >     amd64)
> >         load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
> >         ;;
> >     esac
> >     if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
> >         _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
> >         /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
> >         if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
> /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then
> >             cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache
> >         fi
> >         rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
> >     fi
> >
> >     # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
> >     load_kld pty
> >
> >     # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX.
> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
> >         sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
> >     fi
> >
> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
> >         sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
> >     fi
> >     sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu
> >
> >     _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs
> "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t
> fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777 =
-t
> tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /home
> "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs
> linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t linsysfs
> linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp
> "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)
> >     unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/fd |=
|
> exit 1)
> >     unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || exit
> 1)
> >     true
> > }
> >
> > load_rc_config $name
> > run_rc_command "$1"
> >
> > sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES
> >
> > # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
> > mkdir -p
> {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,/compat=
/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}
> >
> > # Start Ubuntu service:
> > service ubuntu start
> >
> > # Install needed packages:
> > pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio
> >
> > # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
> > debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu
> >
> > # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:
> > service ubuntu restart
> >
> > # Fix broken symlink:
> > cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s
> ../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
> >
> > # Chroot into your Linux environment:
> > chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash
> >
> > # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
> > printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
> > sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here,
> otherwise it fails.
> >
> > # Fix APT package manager:
> > printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude
> >
> > # Enable more repositories:
> > printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
> universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> > # Install required programs:
> >
> > apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnup=
g
> pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran
> >
> > # Exit out of chroot
> > exit
> >
> > # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd
> > cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib
> >
> >
> > --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD
> >
> >
> > # fetch
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797=
e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >
> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wa=
ll
> -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >
> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> > # miniconda-installer
> > # bash
> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> > # conda activate
> >
> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
> >
> > (pytorch) # conda activate
> >
> > (base) # conda activate
> >
> > (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork
>
>
> I have done that I think and get:
>
> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python
> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
> --length 512
> python: can't open file
> '/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno 2]
> No such file or directory
> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/
> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python
> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
> --length 512
> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I
> tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow
> binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in
> performance-critical operations.
> To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,
> rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.
> 2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W
> tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:
> Could not find TensorRT
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py",
> line 9, in 
>     import model, sample, encoder
>   File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in 
>     from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams
> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'
>

Use Python3.7 or earlier.

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=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.=
friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto &l=
t;marietto2008@=
gmail.com> wrote:

>

> If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or le=
ss the following :

>

>

> sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/e=
tc/rc.d/ubuntu

>

> # Make it have this content:

>

> #!/bin/sh

> #

> # PROVIDE: ubuntu

> # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate

> # KEYWORD: nojail

> #

> # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux

> # Based on the script by mrclksr:

> # https://github.com=
/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu.in

> #

> . /etc/rc.subr

>

> name=3D"ubuntu"

> desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"

> rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"

> start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"

> stop_cmd=3D":"

>

> unmounted()

> {

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `s=
tat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0`stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D=
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> }

>

> ubuntu_start()

> {

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0local _emul_path _tmpdir

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux

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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0amd64)

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x64

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0;;

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0esac

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; the=
n

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfi=
g`

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tm=
pdir}/ld.so.cache

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /c=
ompat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.ca=
che > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rm -rf ${_tmpdir}

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld pty

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to=
 ELFOSABI_LINUX.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq &qu=
ot;-1" ]; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 =
> /dev/null

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq &qu=
ot;-1" ]; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 =
> /dev/null

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && =
(mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" &&am=
p; (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd=
" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" &&a=
mp; (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777 -t tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/sh=
m" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" &&=
 (mount -t nullfs /home "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" &&=
 (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" ||=
 exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && =
(mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exi=
t 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && =
(mount -t nullfs /tmp "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t f=
descfs fdescfs /dev/fd || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t pro=
cfs procfs /proc || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0true

> }

>

> load_rc_config $name

> run_rc_command "$1"

>

> sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES

>

> # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:

> mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/=
home,/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}

>

> # Start Ubuntu service:

> service ubuntu start

>

> # Install needed packages:

> pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio

>

> # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:

> debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu

>

> # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:<=
br>
> service ubuntu restart

>

> # Fix broken symlink:

> cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s =
../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

>

> # Chroot into your Linux environment:

> chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash

>

> # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:

> printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtim=
e

> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here,=
 otherwise it fails.

>

> # Fix APT package manager:

> printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.=
d/00aptitude

>

> # Enable more repositories:

> printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal m=
ain restricted universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list

>

> # Install required programs:

>

> apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnu=
pg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran

>

> # Exit out of chroot

> exit

>

> # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd

> cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib

>

>

> --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD

>

>

> # fetch https://gist.githubuse=
rcontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af=
405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -W=
all -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer

> # miniconda-installer

> # bash

> # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh

> # conda activate

>

> (base) # conda activate pytorch

>

> (pytorch) # conda activate

>

> (base) # conda activate

>

> (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork





I have done that I think and get:



(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python

src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

--length 512

python: can't open file

'/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno =
2]

No such file or directory

(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/

(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python

src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

--length 512

2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.

2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.

2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I

tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow

binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in

performance-critical operations.

To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,

rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.

2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W

tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:

Could not find TensorRT

Traceback (most recent call last):

=C2=A0 File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_sampl=
es.py",

line 9, in <module>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 import model, sample, encoder

=C2=A0 File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in &=
lt;module>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'

Use Python3.7 or earlier.

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Nairobi,KE
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 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
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uft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=
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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> It appears there is a core of people who are interested in various DIY
> AI (using existing ANN's like GPT-2) on FreeBSD.   As it turns out
> getting this up and running is "fun" to say the least and I suspect
> the number of interested people will grow.   So how do I get such a
> list made on the freebsd.org mailing lists?  (something like
> freebsd-ai@ perhaps)
>

This is an interesting question.
I am currently struggling to run logstash on FreeBSD. I realized that a
mailing list - freebsd-elastic@freebsd.org exists, but there is almost no
activity and so I am still stuck.
The ML freebsd-elastic@ seems to deal with porting the ELK bundle and I'm
imagining that those who port apps to FreeBSD have a way of getting an ML
though I don't know whom they ask this for, or the procedure.


--=20
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
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+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)
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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07=E2=80=
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friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
It appears there is a core of people who are interested i=
n various DIY

AI (using existing ANN's like GPT-2) on FreeBSD.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As it turn=
s out

getting this up and running is "fun" to say the least and I suspe=
ct

the number of interested people will grow.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So how do I get such=
 a

list made on the freebsd.org mailing lists?=C2=A0 (something like

freebsd-ai@ perhaps)

This i=
s an interesting question.
I am currently struggling to run logstash on=
 FreeBSD. I realized that a mailing list - freebsd-elastic@freebsd.org exists, but there is almost =
no activity and so I am still stuck.
The ML freebsd-elastic@ seem=
s to deal with porting the ELK bundle and I'm imagining that those who =
port apps to FreeBSD have a way of getting an ML though I don't know wh=
om they ask this for, or the procedure.

-- 
Best re=
gards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 227=
4 3223
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=
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From: Mario Marietto 
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 11:18:40 +0200
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Subject: Re: Installing openAI's GPT-2 Ada AI Language Model
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marietto@marietto-nano:~$ python3
Python 3.10.6 (main, Mar 10 2023, 10:55:28) [GCC 11.3.0] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import tensorflow as tf
>>> tf.__version__
'2.12.0'
>>> print(tf.reduce_sum(tf.random.normal([1000, 1000])))
tf.Tensor(51.500687, shape=3D(), dtype=3Dfloat32)

https://qengineering.eu/install-tensorflow-2.4.0-on-jetson-nano.html

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman 
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or less
>> the following :
>> >
>> >
>> > sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x
>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu
>> >
>> > # Make it have this content:
>> >
>> > #!/bin/sh
>> > #
>> > # PROVIDE: ubuntu
>> > # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
>> > # KEYWORD: nojail
>> > #
>> > # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
>> > # Based on the script by mrclksr:
>> > #
>> https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu=
.in
>> > #
>> > . /etc/rc.subr
>> >
>> > name=3D"ubuntu"
>> > desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
>> > rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
>> > start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
>> > stop_cmd=3D":"
>> >
>> > unmounted()
>> > {
>> >     [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \
>> >       `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]
>> > }
>> >
>> > ubuntu_start()
>> > {
>> >     local _emul_path _tmpdir
>> >
>> >     load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
>> >     case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
>> >     amd64)
>> >         load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
>> >         ;;
>> >     esac
>> >     if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
>> >         _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
>> >         /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
>> >         if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
>> /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then
>> >             cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cach=
e
>> >         fi
>> >         rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
>> >     fi
>> >
>> >     # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
>> >     load_kld pty
>> >
>> >     # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX=
.
>> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
>> >         sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
>> >     fi
>> >
>> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then
>> >         sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
>> >     fi
>> >     sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu
>> >
>> >     _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs
>> "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t
>> fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777=
 -t
>> tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /home
>> "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs
>> linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t linsysfs
>> linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp
>> "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/fd
>> || exit 1)
>> >     unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || exi=
t
>> 1)
>> >     true
>> > }
>> >
>> > load_rc_config $name
>> > run_rc_command "$1"
>> >
>> > sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES
>> >
>> > # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
>> > mkdir -p
>> {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,/compa=
t/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}
>> >
>> > # Start Ubuntu service:
>> > service ubuntu start
>> >
>> > # Install needed packages:
>> > pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio
>> >
>> > # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
>> > debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu
>> >
>> > # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:
>> > service ubuntu restart
>> >
>> > # Fix broken symlink:
>> > cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s
>> ../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
>> >
>> > # Chroot into your Linux environment:
>> > chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash
>> >
>> > # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
>> > printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
>> > sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here,
>> otherwise it fails.
>> >
>> > # Fix APT package manager:
>> > printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude
>> >
>> > # Enable more repositories:
>> > printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
>> universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list
>> >
>> > # Install required programs:
>> >
>> > apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola
>> gnupg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran
>> >
>> > # Exit out of chroot
>> > exit
>> >
>> > # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd
>> > cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib
>> >
>> >
>> > --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD
>> >
>> >
>> > # fetch
>> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad79=
7e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
>> >
>> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -W=
all
>> -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
>> >
>> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
>> > # miniconda-installer
>> > # bash
>> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
>> > # conda activate
>> >
>> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
>> >
>> > (pytorch) # conda activate
>> >
>> > (base) # conda activate
>> >
>> > (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork
>>
>>
>> I have done that I think and get:
>>
>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python
>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
>> --length 512
>> python: can't open file
>> '/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno 2]
>> No such file or directory
>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/
>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python
>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5
>> --length 512
>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
>> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
>> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.
>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I
>> tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow
>> binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in
>> performance-critical operations.
>> To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,
>> rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.
>> 2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W
>> tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:
>> Could not find TensorRT
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py",
>> line 9, in 
>>     import model, sample, encoder
>>   File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in 
>>     from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams
>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'
>>
>
> Use Python3.7 or earlier.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)
> [How to ask smart questions:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
>


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mariett=
o@marietto-nano:~$ python3

Python 3.10.6 (main, Mar 10 2023, 10:55:28) [GCC 11.3.0] on linu=
x

Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or &q=
uot;license" for more information.

>>> import tensorflow as tf
>>> tf.__version__

'2.12.0'

>>> print(tf.reduce_sum(tf.random.normal([1000, 1000]))) =C2=
=A0
tf.Tensor(51.500687, shape=3D(), dtype=3Dfloat32)


https://qengineering.eu/install-tensorflow-2.4.0-on-jetson=
-nano.html

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washingto=
n <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrot=
e:


On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Fri=
edman <ary=
eh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto=
 <marietto20=
08@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be more or le=
ss the following :

>

>

> sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/e=
tc/rc.d/ubuntu

>

> # Make it have this content:

>

> #!/bin/sh

> #

> # PROVIDE: ubuntu

> # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate

> # KEYWORD: nojail

> #

> # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux

> # Based on the script by mrclksr:

> # https://github.com=
/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu.in

> #

> . /etc/rc.subr

>

> name=3D"ubuntu"

> desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"

> rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"

> start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"

> stop_cmd=3D":"

>

> unmounted()

> {

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `s=
tat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a \

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0`stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D=
 `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]

> }

>

> ubuntu_start()

> {

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0local _emul_path _tmpdir

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0amd64)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linu=
x64

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0;;

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0esac

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; the=
n

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfi=
g`

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tm=
pdir}/ld.so.cache

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /c=
ompat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.ca=
che > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rm -rf ${_tmpdir}

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld pty

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to=
 ELFOSABI_LINUX.

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq &qu=
ot;-1" ]; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 =
> /dev/null

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq &qu=
ot;-1" ]; then

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 =
> /dev/null

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu

>

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && =
(mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" &&am=
p; (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd=
" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" &&a=
mp; (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777 -t tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/sh=
m" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" &&=
 (mount -t nullfs /home "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" &&=
 (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" ||=
 exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && =
(mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exi=
t 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && =
(mount -t nullfs /tmp "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t f=
descfs fdescfs /dev/fd || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t pro=
cfs procfs /proc || exit 1)

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0true

> }

>

> load_rc_config $name

> run_rc_command "$1"

>

> sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES

>

> # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:

> mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/=
home,/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}

>

> # Start Ubuntu service:

> service ubuntu start

>

> # Install needed packages:

> pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio

>

> # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:

> debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu

>

> # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properly mounted:<=
br>
> service ubuntu restart

>

> # Fix broken symlink:

> cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s =
../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

>

> # Chroot into your Linux environment:

> chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash

>

> # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:

> printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtim=
e

> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is necessary here,=
 otherwise it fails.

>

> # Fix APT package manager:

> printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.=
d/00aptitude

>

> # Enable more repositories:

> printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal m=
ain restricted universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list

>

> # Install required programs:

>

> apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnu=
pg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran

>

> # Exit out of chroot

> exit

>

> # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and freebsd

> cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib

>

>

> --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD

>

>

> # fetch https://gist.githubuse=
rcontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af=
405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -W=
all -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c

>

> # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer

> # miniconda-installer

> # bash

> # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh

> # conda activate

>

> (base) # conda activate pytorch

>

> (pytorch) # conda activate

>

> (base) # conda activate

>

> (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork





I have done that I think and get:



(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python

src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

--length 512

python: can't open file

'/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno =
2]

No such file or directory

(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/

(base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python

src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

--length 512

2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.

2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be used.

2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I

tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow

binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in

performance-critical operations.

To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,

rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.

2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W

tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:

Could not find TensorRT

Traceback (most recent call last):

=C2=A0 File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_sampl=
es.py",

line 9, in <module>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 import model, sample, encoder

=C2=A0 File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in &=
lt;module>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'

Use Python3.7 or earlier.

-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,K=
E
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
[H=
ow to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]




-- 
Mario.


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On 17/04/2023 14:50, ICT builder wrote=
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      17-04-2023 12:31, ICT builder wrote:
      

      
=E2=80=A6

        

        # zfs list /usr/ports
        

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=C2=A0 1.49G=C2=A0 /
        

      

    

    
=E2=80=A6

    

    

    
my=

      /etc/rc.conf was lacking:
      

      zfs_enable=3D"YES"
      

      

      Oops, sorry for unneeded noise ...
      

    

    


    

    
It's OK, the noise is pleasantly thought-provoking. 

    

    
Comparing an effect of zfs-list(8) with an effect of
      zpool-list(8): 

    

    
FreeBSD bug 270789
        =E2=80=93 zpool list loads zfs.ko, even on systems that don't use=
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Also, maybe of interest: 

    

    
=E2=9A=99 D6793 Enab=
le ZFSd
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Hi,

I installed FreeBSD 13.1 server with ZFS raid 10 to serve a PostgreSQL 
database, LDAP and DNS. I never noticed until today, I installed some 
more memory and was checking status after the starting up. DEDUP appears 
enabled, is that by default? I certainly did not enable. Does this mean 
it is in fact enabled and what are the repercussions of disabling now?

> root@db1:~ # zpool list
> NAME   SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP    HEALTH  ALTROOT
> zdb1   262G  26.1G   236G        -         -     7%     9%  1.00x    ONLINE  -
> root@db1:~ # zpool status
>   pool: zdb1
>  state: ONLINE
>   scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:04:52 with 0 errors on Thu Apr 13 10:46:22 2023
> config:
> 
>         NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>         zdb1        ONLINE       0     0     0
>           mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>             ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>             ada1p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>           mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>             ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>             ada3p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
> root@db1:~ # zfs list
> NAME                USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
> zdb1               26.0G   228G       96K  /zdb1
> zdb1/ROOT          24.8G   228G       96K  none
> zdb1/ROOT/default  24.8G   228G     14.6G  /
> zdb1/tmp           1.12M   228G      200K  /tmp
> zdb1/usr           1.17G   228G       96K  /usr
> zdb1/usr/home      1.31M   228G     1.30M  /usr/home
> zdb1/usr/ports     1.17G   228G     1.17G  /usr/ports
> zdb1/usr/src         96K   228G       96K  /usr/src
> zdb1/var           5.35M   228G       96K  /var
> zdb1/var/audit       96K   228G       96K  /var/audit
> zdb1/var/crash       96K   228G       96K  /var/crash
> zdb1/var/log       4.78M   228G      660K  /var/log
> zdb1/var/mail       200K   228G      144K  /var/mail
> zdb1/var/tmp

-- 
Robert


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Robert Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed FreeBSD 13.1 server with ZFS raid 10 to serve a PostgreSQL
> database, LDAP and DNS. I never noticed until today, I installed some
> more memory and was checking status after the starting up. DEDUP appears
> enabled, is that by default? I certainly did not enable. Does this mean
> it is in fact enabled and what are the repercussions of disabling now?
> 
>> root@db1:~ # zpool list
>> NAME   SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP   
>> HEALTH  ALTROOT
>> zdb1   262G  26.1G   236G        -         -     7%     9%  1.00x   
>> ONLINE  -

This doesn't mean it's enabled; check `zfs get dedup`.

>> root@db1:~ # zpool status
>>   pool: zdb1
>>  state: ONLINE
>>   scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:04:52 with 0 errors on Thu Apr 13
>> 10:46:22 2023
>> config:
>>
>>         NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>         zdb1        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>           mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>             ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>             ada1p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>           mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>             ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>             ada3p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>> root@db1:~ # zfs list
>> NAME                USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
>> zdb1               26.0G   228G       96K  /zdb1
>> zdb1/ROOT          24.8G   228G       96K  none
>> zdb1/ROOT/default  24.8G   228G     14.6G  /
>> zdb1/tmp           1.12M   228G      200K  /tmp
>> zdb1/usr           1.17G   228G       96K  /usr
>> zdb1/usr/home      1.31M   228G     1.30M  /usr/home
>> zdb1/usr/ports     1.17G   228G     1.17G  /usr/ports
>> zdb1/usr/src         96K   228G       96K  /usr/src
>> zdb1/var           5.35M   228G       96K  /var
>> zdb1/var/audit       96K   228G       96K  /var/audit
>> zdb1/var/crash       96K   228G       96K  /var/crash
>> zdb1/var/log       4.78M   228G      660K  /var/log
>> zdb1/var/mail       200K   228G      144K  /var/mail
>> zdb1/var/tmp
> 


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On Apr 22, 2023, at 11:25 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick  =
wrote:


> Hi,
>=20
> I installed FreeBSD 13.1 server with ZFS raid 10 to serve a PostgreSQL =
database, LDAP and DNS. I never noticed until today, I installed some =
more memory and was checking status after the starting up. DEDUP appears =
enabled, is that by default? I certainly did not enable. Does this mean =
it is in fact enabled and what are the repercussions of disabling now?
>=20
>> root@db1:~ # zpool list
>> NAME   SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP    =
HEALTH  ALTROOT
>> zdb1   262G  26.1G   236G        -         -     7%     9%  1.00x    =
ONLINE  -
>> root@db1:~ # zpool status
>>  pool: zdb1
>> state: ONLINE
>>  scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:04:52 with 0 errors on Thu Apr 13 =
10:46:22 2023
>> config:
>>        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
>>        zdb1        ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>            ada0p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>            ada1p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>          mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>            ada2p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>>            ada3p3  ONLINE       0     0     0
>> root@db1:~ # zfs list
>> NAME                USED  AVAIL     REFER  MOUNTPOINT
>> zdb1               26.0G   228G       96K  /zdb1
>> zdb1/ROOT          24.8G   228G       96K  none
>> zdb1/ROOT/default  24.8G   228G     14.6G  /
>> zdb1/tmp           1.12M   228G      200K  /tmp
>> zdb1/usr           1.17G   228G       96K  /usr
>> zdb1/usr/home      1.31M   228G     1.30M  /usr/home
>> zdb1/usr/ports     1.17G   228G     1.17G  /usr/ports
>> zdb1/usr/src         96K   228G       96K  /usr/src
>> zdb1/var           5.35M   228G       96K  /var
>> zdb1/var/audit       96K   228G       96K  /var/audit
>> zdb1/var/crash       96K   228G       96K  /var/crash
>> zdb1/var/log       4.78M   228G      660K  /var/log
>> zdb1/var/mail       200K   228G      144K  /var/mail
>> zdb1/var/tmp


Just because there is a DEDUP column in the "zpool list" output does not =
mean deduplication is enabled.  Deduplication is a per-fileset option, =
so a better way of determining whether it is enabled for any of your ZFS =
filesets is to execute the following command:

	zfs get dedup

That will show you the "dedup" property for all of your filesets.  In my =
case, all the non-snapshot filesets show "dedup" as being "off" even =
though I get "DEDUP" shown as "1.00x" in the "zpool list" output.  =
(Which still makes sense: 1.00x deduplication is consistent with =
deduplication being off.)

Cheers,

Paul.=

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On 23 April 2023 12:53:26 am AEST, Graham Perrin  wrote:
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In the olden days, one would email postmaster@freebsd=2Eorg for advice=2E

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On 4/22/23 17:46, Paul Mather wrote:

> Deduplication is a per-fileset option

Oh!
I always thought it was a per-pool setting!!!
Did it change, perhaps after the switch to OpenZFS?


In fact the handbook says:

> To activate deduplication, set the dedup property on the target pool:
> 
> # zfs set dedup=on pool

Isn't this incoherent?
I mean:
zfs set ... *dataset*
*zpool* set ... pool

Should it be corrected?

  bye
	av.

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I don't know. This should be evaluated by you. I'm not involved so much in
the technicalities :

https://github.com/lm-sys/FastChat

Let me understand what the Ada (117M) model is,if you want. I want to
learn.

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:10=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman 
wrote:

> Does GPT-3/3.5 come with a Ada (117M) model?
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 2:09=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >
> > And I'm even more sure that using a linux bhyve VM you can configure
> chatgpt 3.5 / 4 even faster than using the linuxulator.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:06=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are you insisting on chat gpt 2 when you can have chatgpt 3.5 / 4
> installed on your local FreeBSD machine through the linuxulator ? This wi=
ll
> be my next project.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:00=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My next step is to wipe the vm and try again (this time making it
> >>> scripted so I can do repeated test runs and very stuff systematically=
)
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 6:53=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington <
> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > If you find a suitable, working version, please let me know.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 1:05=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Seems like 2 steps forward and one backwards I had it kind of
> working
> >>> >> under the wrong version of python going to wipe the machine and tr=
y
> >>> >> again with 3.7 I think I screwed something up.... and according to
> >>> >> what I can ting the no tensorflow.contrib has to deal with version
> of
> >>> >> tensor flow... gpt-2 wants <2.0.0 it appears (preference for 1.15)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 5:26=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington <
> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > @Mario Marietto are you by any chance trying to address the issu=
e
> raised by Aryeh?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'
> >>> >> > ```
> >>> >> > The problem is NOT about installing tensorflow, but rather
> getting the correct version that will not lead to the above error.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 12:19=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <
> marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> marietto@marietto-nano:~$ python3
> >>> >> >> Python 3.10.6 (main, Mar 10 2023, 10:55:28) [GCC 11.3.0] on lin=
ux
> >>> >> >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
> information.
> >>> >> >> >>> import tensorflow as tf
> >>> >> >> >>> tf.__version__
> >>> >> >> '2.12.0'
> >>> >> >> >>> print(tf.reduce_sum(tf.random.normal([1000, 1000])))
> >>> >> >> tf.Tensor(51.500687, shape=3D(), dtype=3Dfloat32)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> https://qengineering.eu/install-tensorflow-2.4.0-on-jetson-nano.html
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington <
> odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman <
> aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <
> marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > If you don't want to use the GPU,the commands should be mor=
e
> or less the following :
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu && chmod +x
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Make it have this content:
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > #!/bin/sh
> >>> >> >>>> > #
> >>> >> >>>> > # PROVIDE: ubuntu
> >>> >> >>>> > # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
> >>> >> >>>> > # KEYWORD: nojail
> >>> >> >>>> > #
> >>> >> >>>> > # This is a modified version of /etc/rc.d/linux
> >>> >> >>>> > # Based on the script by mrclksr:
> >>> >> >>>> > #
> https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blob/main/rc.d/ubuntu.=
in
> >>> >> >>>> > #
> >>> >> >>>> > . /etc/rc.subr
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > name=3D"ubuntu"
> >>> >> >>>> > desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chroot, and Linux ABI"
> >>> >> >>>> > rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable"
> >>> >> >>>> > start_cmd=3D"${name}_start"
> >>> >> >>>> > stop_cmd=3D":"
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > unmounted()
> >>> >> >>>> > {
> >>> >> >>>> >     [ `stat -f "%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/.."` -a =
\
> >>> >> >>>> >       `stat -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/.."` ]
> >>> >> >>>> > }
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > ubuntu_start()
> >>> >> >>>> > {
> >>> >> >>>> >     local _emul_path _tmpdir
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >     load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux
> >>> >> >>>> >     case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in
> >>> >> >>>> >     amd64)
> >>> >> >>>> >         load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64
> >>> >> >>>> >         ;;
> >>> >> >>>> >     esac
> >>> >> >>>> >     if [ -x /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then
> >>> >> >>>> >         _tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`
> >>> >> >>>> >         /compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C
> ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
> >>> >> >>>> >         if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache
> /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then
> >>> >> >>>> >             cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache >
> /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache
> >>> >> >>>> >         fi
> >>> >> >>>> >         rm -rf ${_tmpdir}
> >>> >> >>>> >     fi
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >     # Linux uses the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.
> >>> >> >>>> >     load_kld pty
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >     # Handle unbranded ELF executables by defaulting to
> ELFOSABI_LINUX.
> >>> >> >>>> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ];
> then
> >>> >> >>>> >         sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
> >>> >> >>>> >     fi
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >     if [ `sysctl -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ];
> then
> >>> >> >>>> >         sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null
> >>> >> >>>> >     fi
> >>> >> >>>> >     sysctl compat.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >     _emul_path=3D"/compat/ubuntu"
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t
> devfs devfs "${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o
> nocover,linrdlnk -t fdescfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o
> nocover,mode=3D1777 -t tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /hom=
e
> "${_emul_path}/home" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t
> linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t
> linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted "${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp
> "${_emul_path}/tmp" || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted /dev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs
> fdescfs /dev/fd || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     unmounted /proc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs
> /proc || exit 1)
> >>> >> >>>> >     true
> >>> >> >>>> > }
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > load_rc_config $name
> >>> >> >>>> > run_rc_command "$1"
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Create necessary mount points for a working Linuxulator:
> >>> >> >>>> > mkdir -p
> {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,/compat=
/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubuntu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Start Ubuntu service:
> >>> >> >>>> > service ubuntu start
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Install needed packages:
> >>> >> >>>> > pkg install debootstrap pulseaudio
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /compat/ubuntu:
> >>> >> >>>> > debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no-check-gpg focal /compat/ubu=
ntu
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Restart Ubuntu service to make sure everything is properl=
y
> mounted:
> >>> >> >>>> > service ubuntu restart
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Fix broken symlink:
> >>> >> >>>> > cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ && rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln
> -s ../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Chroot into your Linux environment:
> >>> >> >>>> > chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Set correct timezone inside your chroot:
> >>> >> >>>> > printf "%b\n" "0.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime
> >>> >> >>>> > sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # For some reason sudo is
> necessary here, otherwise it fails.
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Fix APT package manager:
> >>> >> >>>> > printf "APT::Cache-Start 251658240;" >
> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Enable more repositories:
> >>> >> >>>> > printf "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main
> restricted universe multiverse" > /etc/apt/sources.list
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Install required programs:
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > apt update ; apt install -y apt-transport-https curl
> fonts-symbola gnupg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gfortran
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Exit out of chroot
> >>> >> >>>> > exit
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu libraries path between ubuntu and
> freebsd
> >>> >> >>>> > cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /lib
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > --> Installing PyTorch and your chatgpt github fork on
> FreeBSD
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # fetch
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2b0000c60f4ad797=
e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysroot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64
> -std=3Dc99 -Wall -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.so uvm_ioctl_override.c
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-installer
> >>> >> >>>> > # miniconda-installer
> >>> >> >>>> > # bash
> >>> >> >>>> > # source /home/marietto/miniconda3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh
> >>> >> >>>> > # conda activate
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > (base) # conda activate pytorch
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > (pytorch) # conda activate
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > (base) # conda activate
> >>> >> >>>> >
> >>> >> >>>> > (base) # git clone your chatgpt github fork
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> I have done that I think and get:
> >>> >> >>>>
> >>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ python
> >>> >> >>>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M
> --nsamples 5
> >>> >> >>>> --length 512
> >>> >> >>>> python: can't open file
> >>> >> >>>> '/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py':
> [Errno 2]
> >>> >> >>>> No such file or directory
> >>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd gpt-2/
> >>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]$ python
> >>> >> >>>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.py --model_name 117M
> --nsamples 5
> >>> >> >>>> --length 512
> >>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I
> tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
> >>> >> >>>> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be
> used.
> >>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I
> tensorflow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]
> >>> >> >>>> Could not find cuda drivers on your machine, GPU will not be
> used.
> >>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I
> >>> >> >>>> tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:182] This
> TensorFlow
> >>> >> >>>> binary is optimized to use available CPU instructions in
> >>> >> >>>> performance-critical operations.
> >>> >> >>>> To enable the following instructions: AVX2 FMA, in other
> operations,
> >>> >> >>>> rebuild TensorFlow with the appropriate compiler flags.
> >>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W
> >>> >> >>>> tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/utils/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT
> Warning:
> >>> >> >>>> Could not find TensorRT
> >>> >> >>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>> >> >>>>   File
> "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py",
> >>> >> >>>> line 9, in 
> >>> >> >>>>     import model, sample, encoder
> >>> >> >>>>   File "/usr/opt/babySpock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in
> 
> >>> >> >>>>     from tensorflow.contrib.training import HParams
> >>> >> >>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensorflow.contrib'
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Use Python3.7 or earlier.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> --
> >>> >> >>> Best regards,
> >>> >> >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> >>> >> >>> Nairobi,KE
> >>> >> >>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> >>> >> >>> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=
=AF :-)
> >>> >> >>> [How to ask smart questions:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> Mario.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Best regards,
> >>> >> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> >>> >> > Nairobi,KE
> >>> >> > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> >>> >> > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=
 :-)
> >>> >> > [How to ask smart questions:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Best regards,
> >>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> >>> > Nairobi,KE
> >>> > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> >>> > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-=
)
> >>> > [How to ask smart questions:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mario.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>
>
> --
> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
>


--=20
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I don't know. This should be evaluated by you. I&=
#39;m not involved so much in the technicalities : 


Let me understand what the Ada (1=
17M) model is,if you want. I want to learn.=C2=A0 

On Sat, Apr 22,=
 2023 at 8:10=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
Does GPT-3/3.5 come with a Ada (117M) =
model?



On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 2:09=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> =
wrote:

>

> And I'm even more sure that using a linux bhyve VM you can configu=
re chatgpt 3.5 / 4 even faster than using the linuxulator.

>

> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:06=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com=
> wrote:

>>

>> Why are you insisting on chat gpt 2 when you can have chatgpt 3.5 =
/ 4 installed on your local FreeBSD machine through the linuxulator ? This =
will be my next project.

>>

>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:00=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail=
.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> My next step is to wipe the vm and try again (this time making=
 it

>>> scripted so I can do repeated test runs and very stuff systema=
tically)

>>>

>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 6:53=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington &l=
t;odhiambo@gmail.co=
m> wrote:

>>> >

>>> > If you find a suitable, working version, please let me kn=
ow.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 1:05=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman &l=
t;aryeh.fried=
man@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >>

>>> >> Seems like 2 steps forward and one backwards I had it=
 kind of working

>>> >> under the wrong version of python going to wipe the m=
achine and try

>>> >> again with 3.7 I think I screwed something up.... and=
 according to

>>> >> what I can ting the no tensorflow.contrib has to deal=
 with version of

>>> >> tensor flow... gpt-2 wants <2.0.0 it appears (pref=
erence for 1.15)

>>> >>

>>> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 5:26=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Wash=
ington <odhiambo=
@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >

>>> >> > @Mario Marietto are you by any chance trying to =
address the issue raised by Aryeh?

>>> >> >

>>> >> > ```

>>> >> > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tensor=
flow.contrib'

>>> >> > ```

>>> >> > The problem is NOT about installing tensorflow, =
but rather getting the correct version that will not lead to the above erro=
r.

>>> >> >

>>> >> >

>>> >> >

>>> >> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 12:19=E2=80=AFPM Mario M=
arietto <mar=
ietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> marietto@marietto-nano:~$ python3

>>> >> >> Python 3.10.6 (main, Mar 10 2023, 10:55:28) =
[GCC 11.3.0] on linux

>>> >> >> Type "help", "copyright"=
, "credits" or "license" for more information.

>>> >> >> >>> import tensorflow as tf

>>> >> >> >>> tf.__version__

>>> >> >> '2.12.0'

>>> >> >> >>> print(tf.reduce_sum(tf.random.n=
ormal([1000, 1000])))

>>> >> >> tf.Tensor(51.500687, shape=3D(), dtype=3Dflo=
at32)

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> h=
ttps://qengineering.eu/install-tensorflow-2.4.0-on-jetson-nano.html

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 10:47=E2=80=AFAM Odh=
iambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 11:20=E2=80=AFAM=
 Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >>>>

>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:31=E2=80=
=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > If you don't want to use th=
e GPU,the commands should be more or less the following :

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > sudo touch /usr/local/etc/rc.d/=
ubuntu && chmod +x /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ubuntu

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Make it have this content:
>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > #!/bin/sh

>>> >> >>>> > #

>>> >> >>>> > # PROVIDE: ubuntu

>>> >> >>>> > # REQUIRE: archdep mountlate
>>> >> >>>> > # KEYWORD: nojail

>>> >> >>>> > #

>>> >> >>>> > # This is a modified version of=
 /etc/rc.d/linux

>>> >> >>>> > # Based on the script by mrclks=
r:

>>> >> >>>> > # https://github.com/mrclksr/linux-browser-installer/blo=
b/main/rc.d/ubuntu.in

>>> >> >>>> > #

>>> >> >>>> > . /etc/rc.subr

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > name=3D"ubuntu"

>>> >> >>>> > desc=3D"Enable Ubuntu chro=
ot, and Linux ABI"

>>> >> >>>> > rcvar=3D"ubuntu_enable&quo=
t;

>>> >> >>>> > start_cmd=3D"${name}_start=
"

>>> >> >>>> > stop_cmd=3D":"

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > unmounted()

>>> >> >>>> > {

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[ `stat -f &=
quot;%d" "$1"` =3D=3D `stat -f "%d" "$1/..&qu=
ot;` -a \

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0`stat=
 -f "%i" "$1"` !=3D `stat -f "%i" "$1/..=
"` ]

>>> >> >>>> > }

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > ubuntu_start()

>>> >> >>>> > {

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0local _emul_=
path _tmpdir

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld -e =
'linux(aout|elf)' linux

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case `sysctl=
 -n hw.machine_arch` in

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0amd64)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0;;

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0esac

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ -x /com=
pat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfigDisabled ]; then

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0_tmpdir=3D`mktemp -d -t linux-ldconfig`

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0/compat/ubuntu/sbin/ldconfig -C ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0if ! cmp -s ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.cache; then<=
br>
>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cat ${_tmpdir}/ld.so.cache > /compat/ubuntu/etc/ld.so.c=
ache

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0fi

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0rm -rf ${_tmpdir}

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Linux uses=
 the pre-pts(4) tty naming scheme.

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0load_kld pty=


>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0# Handle unb=
randed ELF executables by defaulting to ELFOSABI_LINUX.

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl=
 -ni kern.elf64.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0sysctl kern.elf64.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if [ `sysctl=
 -ni kern.elf32.fallback_brand` -eq "-1" ]; then

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0sysctl kern.elf32.fallback_brand=3D3 > /dev/null

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0fi

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sysctl compa=
t.linux.emul_path=3D/compat/ubuntu

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_emul_path=
=3D"/compat/ubuntu"

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/dev" && (mount -o nocover -t devfs devfs &qu=
ot;${_emul_path}/dev" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/dev/fd" && (mount -o nocover,linrdlnk -t fde=
scfs fdescfs "${_emul_path}/dev/fd" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/dev/shm" && (mount -o nocover,mode=3D1777 -t=
 tmpfs tmpfs "${_emul_path}/dev/shm" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/home" && (mount -t nullfs /home "${_emu=
l_path}/home" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/proc" && (mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linp=
rocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/sys" && (mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsys=
fs "${_emul_path}/sys" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted &q=
uot;${_emul_path}/tmp" && (mount -t nullfs /tmp "${_emul_=
path}/tmp" || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /d=
ev/fd && (mount -o nocover -t fdescfs fdescfs /dev/fd || exit 1)
>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0unmounted /p=
roc && (mount -o nocover -t procfs procfs /proc || exit 1)

>>> >> >>>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0true

>>> >> >>>> > }

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > load_rc_config $name

>>> >> >>>> > run_rc_command "$1"
>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > sysrc ubuntu_enable=3DYES

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Create necessary mount points=
 for a working Linuxulator:

>>> >> >>>> > mkdir -p {/compat/ubuntu/dev/fd=
,/compat/ubuntu/dev/shm,/compat/ubuntu/home,/compat/ubuntu/tmp,/compat/ubun=
tu/proc,/compat/ubuntu/sys}

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Start Ubuntu service:

>>> >> >>>> > service ubuntu start

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Install needed packages:

>>> >> >>>> > pkg install debootstrap pulseau=
dio

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Install Ubuntu 20.04 into /co=
mpat/ubuntu:

>>> >> >>>> > debootstrap --arch=3Damd64 --no=
-check-gpg focal /compat/ubuntu

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Restart Ubuntu service to mak=
e sure everything is properly mounted:

>>> >> >>>> > service ubuntu restart

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Fix broken symlink:

>>> >> >>>> > cd /compat/ubuntu/lib64/ &&=
amp; rm ./ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ; ln -s ../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so ld-li=
nux-x86-64.so.2

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Chroot into your Linux enviro=
nment:

>>> >> >>>> > chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash=


>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Set correct timezone inside y=
our chroot:

>>> >> >>>> > printf "%b\n" "0=
.0 0 0.0\n0\nUTC" > /etc/adjtime

>>> >> >>>> > sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata # =
For some reason sudo is necessary here, otherwise it fails.

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Fix APT package manager:

>>> >> >>>> > printf "APT::Cache-Start 2=
51658240;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Enable more repositories:

>>> >> >>>> > printf "deb http:/=
/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted universe multiverse&q=
uot; > /etc/apt/sources.list

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Install required programs:
>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > apt update ; apt install -y apt=
-transport-https curl fonts-symbola gnupg pulseaudio build-essential gcc gf=
ortran

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Exit out of chroot

>>> >> >>>> > exit

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # Fix x86_64-linux-gnu librarie=
s path between ubuntu and freebsd

>>> >> >>>> > cp -r /compat/ubuntu/usr/lib/x8=
6_64-linux-gnu /lib

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > --> Installing PyTorch and y=
our chatgpt github fork on FreeBSD

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # fetch https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shkhln/40ef290463e78fb2=
b0000c60f4ad797e/raw/f640983249607e38af405c95c457ce4afc85c608/uvm_ioctl_ove=
rride.c

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # /compat/ubuntu/bin/gcc --sysr=
oot=3D/compat/ubuntu -m64 -std=3Dc99 -Wall -ldl -fPIC -shared -o dummy-uvm.=
so uvm_ioctl_override.c

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > # pkg install linux-miniconda-i=
nstaller

>>> >> >>>> > # miniconda-installer

>>> >> >>>> > # bash

>>> >> >>>> > # source /home/marietto/minicon=
da3/etc/profile.d/conda.sh

>>> >> >>>> > # conda activate

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > (base) # conda activate pytorch=


>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > (pytorch) # conda activate

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > (base) # conda activate

>>> >> >>>> >

>>> >> >>>> > (base) # git clone your chatgpt=
 github fork

>>> >> >>>>

>>> >> >>>>

>>> >> >>>> I have done that I think and get:
>>> >> >>>>

>>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ pyth=
on

>>> >> >>>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.p=
y --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

>>> >> >>>> --length 512

>>> >> >>>> python: can't open file

>>> >> >>>> '/usr/opt/babySpock/src/generate=
_unconditional_samples.py': [Errno 2]

>>> >> >>>> No such file or directory

>>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~]$ cd g=
pt-2/

>>> >> >>>> (base) [babyspock@babyspock ~/gpt-2]=
$ python

>>> >> >>>> src/generate_unconditional_samples.p=
y --model_name 117M --nsamples 5

>>> >> >>>> --length 512

>>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.661083: I tensor=
flow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

>>> >> >>>> Could not find cuda drivers on your =
machine, GPU will not be used.

>>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710468: I tensor=
flow/tsl/cuda/cudart_stub.cc:28]

>>> >> >>>> Could not find cuda drivers on your =
machine, GPU will not be used.

>>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:18.710951: I

>>> >> >>>> tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature=
_guard.cc:182] This TensorFlow

>>> >> >>>> binary is optimized to use available=
 CPU instructions in

>>> >> >>>> performance-critical operations.

>>> >> >>>> To enable the following instructions=
: AVX2 FMA, in other operations,

>>> >> >>>> rebuild TensorFlow with the appropri=
ate compiler flags.

>>> >> >>>> 2023-04-22 00:17:19.429409: W

>>> >> >>>> tensorflow/compiler/tf2tensorrt/util=
s/py_utils.cc:38] TF-TRT Warning:

>>> >> >>>> Could not find TensorRT

>>> >> >>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> >> >>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0File "/usr/opt/baby=
Spock/gpt-2/src/generate_unconditional_samples.py",

>>> >> >>>> line 9, in <module>

>>> >> >>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0import model, sam=
ple, encoder

>>> >> >>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0File "/usr/opt/baby=
Spock/gpt-2/src/model.py", line 3, in <module>

>>> >> >>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0from tensorflow.c=
ontrib.training import HParams

>>> >> >>>> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named=
 'tensorflow.contrib'

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>> Use Python3.7 or earlier.

>>> >> >>>

>>> >> >>> --

>>> >> >>> Best regards,

>>> >> >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

>>> >> >>> Nairobi,KE

>>> >> >>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223

>>> >> >>> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v =
9;^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)

>>> >> >>> [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> --

>>> >> >> Mario.

>>> >> >

>>> >> >

>>> >> >

>>> >> > --

>>> >> > Best regards,

>>> >> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

>>> >> > Nairobi,KE

>>> >> > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223

>>> >> > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*=
#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)

>>> >> > [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> --

>>> >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.Petite=
Cloud.org

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > --

>>> > Best regards,

>>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

>>> > Nairobi,KE

>>> > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223

>>> > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =
=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)

>>> > [How to ask smart questions: htt=
p://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org=


>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Mario.

>

>

>

> --

> Mario.







-- 

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org




-- 
Mario.


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On Apr 22, 2023, at 1:52 PM, Andrea Venturoli  wrote:

> On 4/22/23 17:46, Paul Mather wrote:
>=20
>> Deduplication is a per-fileset option
>=20
> Oh!
> I always thought it was a per-pool setting!!!
> Did it change, perhaps after the switch to OpenZFS?


I believe it has always been a per-fileset property.  I think it is seen =
as a "per-pool" setting because of the performance impact it can have on =
the entire pool by enabling it on a fileset.

(
> In fact the handbook says:
>=20
>> To activate deduplication, set the dedup property on the target pool:
>> # zfs set dedup=3Don pool
>=20
> Isn't this incoherent?
> I mean:
> zfs set ... *dataset*
> *zpool* set ... pool
>=20
> Should it be corrected?


The handbook appears out of date in this case.  Even the example, as you =
point out, is confusing because it references a zfs(8) command, which =
acts upon filesets.

For 13-STABLE (and the most recent 13.2-RELEASE), the zfsconcepts(7) and =
zfsprops(7) manual pages both refer to deduplication being enabled for a =
"file system" or "dataset".  The zfsprops(7) manual page includes the =
"dedup" property in per-fileset (or dataset as the manual page calls it) =
properties: "Configures deduplication for a dataset."  The =
zfsconcepts(7) manual page states, "If a file system has the dedup =
property enabled, duplicate data blocks are removed synchronously."  I =
interpret "file system" to be the same as fileset/dataset.  These are =
fileset/dataset properties, not pool properties.

It's difficult to keep the FreeBSD Handbook accurate because it =
potentially covers many simultaneous supported versions of FreeBSD.  I =
always treat the manual pages for an installed FreeBSD version to be =
more accurate than the Handbook.

Cheers,

Paul.


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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 14:34:35 -0400
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Subject: Re: Installing openAI's GPT-2 Ada AI Language Model
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 2:14=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> I don't know. This should be evaluated by you. I'm not involved so much i=
n the technicalities :
>
> https://github.com/lm-sys/FastChat
>
> Let me understand what the Ada (117M) model is,if you want. I want to lea=
rn.

It is basically the smallest conversational model offered by the
GPT-2/openAI team.   The reason is I see babySpock as being an
"corporate AI" (in that it mixes and matches models to get the best
results).   The primary problem I see with chatGPT (except for the
cost for using it at the API level, ran up $25 bill in 2 days of just
testing and developing babySpock against their API... this is
financially unsustainable so I have to move it in house) is that due
to its inability to mix and match context(s) [and the web ui to
chatGPT having total context length limits] in order to give it a
broad perspective of how I work and think (i.e. what "irrelevent"
context to filter out but still get a reasonable reply)... I am
planning to use the Ada model as a "cognitive CPU" in the production
version babySpock and have a "OS tape" constantly looping through it..
the reason of course is the models are one shot affairs and are
stateless between calls (i.e. needs external context) and thus if I
was to have a cognitive layer for doing the context assembly I would
need a stateful "cognitive OS" to do it on....

I have some semi-FOSS (BSD licensed but not 100% free) business ideas
on how to scale this but the business philosophy here is not in the
scope of a technical discussion unless you want to know and I will
send some stuff privately.


--=20
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On 23 April 2023 12:53:26 am=
 AEST, Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@freebsd.org> wrote:
 > =E2=80=A6
 >=20
 > <https://bugs.freebsd.org/=
bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=3DServices>
 >=20
 > Component: Mailing Lists

In the olden days, one would email postmaster@freebsd.org for adv=
ice.

cheers


    

    


    

    
Thanks, I guess, that's still good advice. 

    

    
I did check
      <https://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglis=
ts/>,
<https://docs.freebsd.org/en=
/books/handbook/eresources/#eresources-mail>,
      <https://wiki.freebsd.org/FrontPage/Sect=
ion/Community> and
      <https://lists.freebsd.org/> before posting; there was no
      hint of where to begin. 

    

    
If you were to seek the advice, which of those pages might you
      check first? 

    

    
(Excluding lists.freebsd.org.)

    
Whilst I can't find an example of Mailing Lists being
      used to create a mailing list,
      <https://bugs.freebsd.org/267813> was a recent example=
 of
      changes of address. 

    

    


    

  
  


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For reference: Postmaster Team responsibilities are at
      <https://www.freebsd.org/administration/=
#t-postmaster>. 

    
Gut feeling (without me asking the Team): it probably makes sense
      to be certain of the requirement for a new list, before seeking
      advice from the Team. To minimise to-ing and fro-ing. 

    

    
HTH

    
postmaster@ if any of you are reading, please correct me if I'm
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Hello world :-)

I have relatively old but still decent 8 core AMD FX-8320 CPU.

I have switched to bhyve in order to do some testing. I am running
Debian with Android Studio to test some mobile applications.

The Virtual Device however does not want to start because there is no
virtualization support (aka VT-D / NX missing). Yes they write the
emulation will be slower but the emulation does not start at all (ave
google lol).

Three questions:
1. How to check if my CPU has the VT-D/NX support? Cannot find this
information on a vendor site o_O
2. How to enable VT-D/NX emulation under bhyve (assuming that CPU supports it)?
3. Is it possible to "fake" this VT-D/NX (at reduced emulation speed)
if CPU does not support it?

Any hints appreciated :-)
Tomek

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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 9:08=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> (..)
> 1. How to check if my CPU has the VT-D/NX support? Cannot find this
> information on a vendor site o_O

Sorry, here is the fragment of dmesg I forgot to paste:

CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor            (3512.01-MHz K8-class =
CPU)
  Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD"  Id=3D0x600f20  Family=3D0x15  Model=3D0x2  Stepp=
ing=3D0
Features=3D0x178bfbff
Features2=3D0x3e98320b
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  AMD Features2=3D0x1ebbfff
  Structured Extended Features=3D0x8
  SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=3D65536
  TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics
real memory  =3D 34359738368 (32768 MB)
avail memory =3D 33236238336 (31696 MB)

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=E2=80=A6


      

        

          
To activate deduplicatio=
n, set the dedup property on the target pool:
# zfs set dedup=3Don pool


        

        
Isn't this incoherent?
I mean:
zfs set ... *dataset*
*zpool* set ... pool

Should it be corrected?


      

      

The handbook appears out of date in this case. =E2=80=A6

    

    
FreeBSD bug 261212
        =E2=80=93 Update the ZFS chapter of the FreeBSD Handbook, and oth=
er
        OpenZFS-related pages

    
I'll add a comment with reference to this discussion. 

    

    
I assigned the bug to myself in November 2022, partly because I
      don't imagine anyone else wanting it. I'm inclined to do as little
      as possible until stable/12 and releng/12 reach the ends of their
      lives, this year; and then prune ruthlessly.=C2=A0

    
To anyone who'd like the mistake above to be corrected sooner
      rather than later: please submit a pull request in GitHub.
      

    

    
(Each chapter of the Handbook includes an invitation to edit;
      edition occurs in GitHub.)

    

    
Thanks. 

    

  
  


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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 21:18 Graham Perrin  wrote:

> On 22/04/2023 19:20, Paul Mather wrote:
>
> =E2=80=A6
>
> To activate deduplication, set the dedup property on the target pool:
> # zfs set dedup=3Don pool
>
> Isn't this incoherent?
> I mean:
> zfs set ... *dataset*
> *zpool* set ... pool
>
> Should it be corrected?
>
> The handbook appears out of date in this case. =E2=80=A6
>
> FreeBSD bug 261212 =E2=80=93 Update the ZFS chapter of the FreeBSD Handbo=
ok, and
> other OpenZFS-related pages
> 
>
> I'll add a comment with reference to this discussion.
>
> I assigned the bug to myself in November 2022, partly because I don't
> imagine anyone else wanting it. I'm inclined to do as little as possible
> until stable/12 and releng/12 reach the ends of their lives, this year; a=
nd
> then *prune ruthlessly*.
>
> To anyone who'd like the mistake above to be corrected sooner rather than
> later: please submit a *pull request in GitHub*.
>
> (Each chapter of the Handbook includes an invitation to edit; edition
> occurs in GitHub.)
>
> Thanks.
>

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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023, 21:18 Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@freebsd.org> wrote:

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On 22/04/2023 19:20, Paul Mather wrote:

    

    

      
=E2=80=A6


      

        

          
To activate deduplication, set the dedup property on the tar=
get pool:
# zfs set dedup=3Don pool


        

        
Isn't this incoherent?
I mean:
zfs set ... *dataset*
*zpool* set ... pool

Should it be corrected?


      

      
The handbook appears out of date in this case. =E2=80=A6

    

    
FreeBSD bug 261212
        =E2=80=93 Update the ZFS chapter of the FreeBSD Handbook, and other
        OpenZFS-related pages

    
I'll add a comment with reference to this discussion. 

    

    
I assigned the bug to myself in November 2022, partly because I
      don't imagine anyone else wanting it. I'm inclined to do as l=
ittle
      as possible until stable/12 and releng/12 reach the ends of their
      lives, this year; and then prune ruthlessly.=C2=A0

    
To anyone who'd like the mistake above to be corrected sooner
      rather than later: please submit a pull request in GitHub.
      

    

    
(Each chapter of the Handbook includes an invitation to edit;
      edition occurs in GitHub.)

    

    
Thanks.

We're so near to arrive to this chapter in the hand=
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We're so near to arrive to this chapter in the
          handbook working group

      

    

    Ah, thanks, I had no idea, would a group member like to take 261212,
    or is its scope too broad?

  
  


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On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +0200
Tomek CEDRO  wrote:

> Any hints appreciated :-)

	Check BIOS settings, I've found virtualisation support disabled by
default in the BIOS when the CPU supports it just fine.

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Steve O'Hara-Smith