From nobody Sat May 13 21:56:28 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QJfbj07kfz4BqLV for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 21:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) Received: from altprdrgo02.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (altprdrgo02.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net [65.20.63.242]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QJfbg2jqLz45G2 for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 21:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=optonline.net header.s=dkim-002 header.b=RHXAFXT8; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dvoich@optonline.net designates 65.20.63.242 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dvoich@optonline.net; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=optonline.net; s=dkim-002; t=1684014991; bh=VEbTvHXldRLBEPdpsjYfM0hUbeAFin0n7/L5IxaPBFw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RHXAFXT8dqEBB+hE3kONHt4QxMbVEzRNyvHVLu04xeyYLlJ3sdErYFie8iJ7VydyGkgMvvILznXqMOr1rgzUisqKFW6tVFXr+ZXbRkGGXVIpogzQJ8kKP24Uqgk/FgwMGvVG1/5Yz8IkYjZ68yOZ/1WRtII02nyu9sO8QHUkIYfjyMK2TR7ubtL29B19Ft5qVlcnaZk9DD6U6pzmcyS/kdbjPpu3WKTnURe8/49vy8wnKbhvX0VFpByH89GsiGMHWBeSE6TLNljbqmVy7wOM0ILGCXnnqMHtZwpjO8pNtk3kUuJcOMISSet/xp7gVkOOTWifQyF7/n3kHdXAFRCj4A== X-RG-VS-CS: clean X-RG-VS-SC: 0 X-RG-VS: Clean X-Originating-IP: [24.185.149.5] X-RG-Env-Sender: dvoich@optimum.net X-RG-Rigid: 643D9E0D06C98E52 X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeehfedgtdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecutefnvffkvefgfgfupdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfgjfhfogggtgfesthejredtredtvdenucfhrhhomhepgghlrgguucforghrkhhovhcuoeguvhhoihgthhesohhpthhonhhlihhnvgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepieeufeehhfduudefffehgfekhfdvveejleekudekffetvefhueefuedugedtffegnecukfhppedvgedrudekhedrudegledrheenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopehhrghpphihrdgufigrrhhfjedrnhgvthdpihhnvghtpedvgedrudekhedrudegledrhedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeguvhhoihgthhesohhpthhonhhlihhnvgdrnhgvthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehquhgvshhtihhonhhssehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghrpeguvhhoihgthhesohhpthhimhhumhdrnhgvthdpghgvohfkrfepfgfupdfovfetjfhoshhtpegrlhhtphhrughrghhotddv X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean Received: from happy.dwarf7.net (24.185.149.5) by altprdrgo02.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as dvoich@optonline.net) id 643D9E0D06C98E52 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 May 2023 17:56:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 17:56:28 -0400 From: Vlad Markov To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user cannot mount using ntfs-3g Message-ID: <20230513175628.0103bed5@happy.dwarf7.net> In-Reply-To: <20230513191419.d7cd7dcdb99ddc6be254fc5d@sohara.org> References: <20230513122619.5d973568@happy.dwarf7.net> <20230513135006.646497af@happy.dwarf7.net> <20230513191419.d7cd7dcdb99ddc6be254fc5d@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.789]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:65.20.63.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[optonline.net:s=dkim-002]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[optonline.net:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:65.20.63.0/24, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[optonline.net]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[65.20.63.242:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QJfbg2jqLz45G2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sat, 13 May 2023 19:14:19 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 13 May 2023 13:50:06 -0400 > Vlad Markov wrote: > > > Unfortunately I had done that a long time back. I can (as a user) > > successfully mount dos and smb filesystems. > > Might it be needing to load fuse related kernel modules to perform > the mount ? > > > I can mount successfully as root. > > Does it work as a user afterwards ? Here it is mounted by root: /dev/da0p1 on /usr/home/vlad/share (fusefs) After unmounting it and attempting to mount as a user: ntfs-3g -o 'uid=1001,gid=1001' /dev/da0p1 /home/vlad/share mount_fusefs: /dev/fuse on /usr/home/vlad/dos: Operation not permitted I load the module in /boot/loader.conf loader.conf:fusefs_load="YES" From nobody Sun May 14 01:55:26 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QJlvc1VJ3z4B4G8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QJlvZ6vw2z4Nrc for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 01:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=Gim2ZjM7; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1684029334; bh=xPwAzpingy/jSuKO+/S3anlnsAfxdKQSIKbdkAl4y5s=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject:To: References:Content-Language:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gim2ZjM7NZQkuzm0VYFkCAJKKX3Gg+M+wriJ0SP+qMlA5OtnQzmGHBcoIO2BEe7VD 4jjEHTo18mowiYNxnZs+GDJ+UTY2Ym197Mb4cu8SP/x2iVCGKe3m7s3zeJVyNRvOe5 V3mES0g6Eo1/hIoRNPsu+SQmCgKEmMEoUn7qMMYxvR7Hs75wR7lEQ3YZGtd1Mx+5AT X2vjA0N529ioi6SJ3Pq66yK2UD617EkSj6DhBm0lSq37Uu4U9Pr3vC3dG2B8DU8Csz wH4cD3E8mLwCZ7IYK/l4YeDpQpc2a8N7F8eFUl2GoWKPX1eUtp/lBWcv2Y8Y+JiK71 pBbFma/Ih+wpcT+Hq+kzUKchA9Yrh/dUHtis1jUgABsptvWepyYxTHPfHMRFwbNZ5v vjTGaSW6Ys2UYqTzb/+kzQGjz0IFeL1RuWa65MnD8VJFIqJBWnpQElxU1gmiBL7c4w U/wAlFTnGw8xU+H+LxYss6wC5dMdc34O1qbaDSbYkyQnjayHlhh6c9vgqCHLRgu3io rxZG0kXL73W1/F4U9KBaRGIR1ITh3I/BHMFTUeEKXU8nMQn5t4BFDwhxHN0C/Iiyao 3jp2M3cpt/De6JEB0szAm6/hFjw61Qqy7y2JvTtpn/LaQciJdgrUUQDlclcdhqIuSG nEPudVmTD6h9JuNXpPsvgJUQ= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 13 May 2023 18:55:34 -0700 Message-ID: <08804029-03de-e856-568b-74494dfc81cf@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 18:55:26 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files from one directory To: questions@freebsd.org References: <9887a438-95e7-87cc-a162-4ad7a70d744f@optiplex-networks.com> <344b29c6-3d69-543d-678d-c2433dbf7152@optiplex-networks.com> <7747f587-f33e-f39c-ac97-fe4fe19e0b76@optiplex-networks.com> <7c2429c5-55d0-1649-a442-ce543f2d46c2@holgerdanske.com> <6a0aba81-485a-8985-d20d-6da58e9b5580@optiplex-networks.com> <347612746.1721811.1683912265841@fidget.co-bxl> Content-Language: en-US From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: <347612746.1721811.1683912265841@fidget.co-bxl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:november.he.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QJlvZ6vw2z4Nrc X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/12/23 10:24, Sysadmin Lists wrote: > Curiosity got the better of me. I've been searching for a project that requires > the use of multi-dimensional arrays in BSD-awk (not explicitly supported). But > after writing it, I realized there was a more efficient way without them (only > run `stat' on files with matching paths plus names) [nonplussed]. > Here's that one. > > #!/bin/sh -e > # remove or report duplicate files: $0 [-n] dir[1] dir[2] ... dir[n] > if [ "X$1" = "X-n" ]; then n=1; shift; fi > > echo "Building files list from ... ${@}" > > find "${@}" -xdev -type f | > awk -v n=$n 'BEGIN { cmd = "stat -f %z " > for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x]; ARGC = 0 } > { files[$0] = match($0, "(" args ")/?") + RLENGTH } # index of filename > END { for (i in ARGV) sub("/+$", "", ARGV[i]) # remove trailing-/s > print "Comparing files ..." > for (i = 1; i < x; i++) for (file in files) if (file ~ "^" ARGV[i]) { > for (j = i +1; j < x; j++) > if (ARGV[j] "/" substr(file, files[file]) in files) { > dup = ARGV[j] "/" substr(file, files[file]) > cmd file | getline fil_s; close(cmd file) > cmd dup | getline dup_s; close(cmd dup) > if (dup_s == fil_s) act(file, dup, "dup") > else act(file, dup, "diff") } > delete files[file] > } } > > function act(file, dup, message) { > print ((message == "dup") ? "duplicates:" : "difference:"), dup, file > if (!n) system("rm -vi " dup " }' "${@}" > > Priority is given by the order of the arguments (first highest, last lowest). > The user is prompted to delete lower-priority dupes encountered if '-n' isn't > given, otherwise it just reports what it finds. Comparing by size and name only > seems odd (a simple `diff' would be easier). Surprisingly, accounting for a > mixture of dirnames with and w/o trailing-slashes was a bit tricky (dir1 dir2/). > > Fun challenge. Learned a lot about awk. I wrestled with a Perl script years ago when I did not know of fdupes(1), jdupes(1), etc.. Brute force O(N^2) comparison worked for toy datasets, but was impractical when I applied it to a directory containing thousands of files and hundreds of gigabytes. (The OP mentioned 12 TB.) Practical considerations of run time, memory usage, disk I/O, etc., drove me to find the kinds of optimizations fdupes(1) and jdupes(1) mention. I do not know Awk, so it is hard to comment on your script. I suggest commenting out any create/update/delete code, running the script against larger and larger datasets, and seeing what optimizations you can add. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: user cannot mount using ntfs-3g To: Vlad Markov CC: questions@freebsd.org From: Ian Smith Message-ID: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nimnet.asn.au X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au: authenticated_id: smithi@nimnet.asn.au X-Authenticated-Sender: s121.syd3.hostingplatform.net.au: smithi@nimnet.asn.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QJwFg3VRbz3jyL X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:45638, ipnet:110.232.140.0/22, country:AU] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 14 May 2023 2:26:19 am AEST, Vlad Markov wrote: [=2E=2E=2E] > Now I am stuck with this: >=20 > ntfs-3g -o 'uid=3D1001,gid=3D1001' /dev/da0p1 /home/vlad/dos > mount_fusefs: /dev/fuse on /usr/home/vlad/dos: Operation not > permitted >=20 > pertinent info: >=20 > ls -l /dev/fuse > crw-rw-rw- 1 root operator 0x5c May 13 12:01 /dev/fuse >=20 > ls -ld /usr/home/vlad/dos > drwxrwxrwx 2 vlad vlad 512 Feb 18 2019 /usr/home/vlad/dos Apparently you have a symlink /home -> /usr/home ; please show that also= =2E Does that ntfs-3g mount command work any differently if you directly speci= fy /usr/home/vlad/dos instead of /home/vlad/dos ? 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Devices are called /dev/dsp*, see sound(4) man page (at least the FILES section). $ ls /dev/pcm* zsh: no matches found: /dev/pcm* $ cat /boot/kernel/kernel > /dev/dsp (alien sounds) From nobody Sun May 14 18:30:45 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QKB034Vtzz4C07C for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 18:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-yw1-x1129.google.com (mail-yw1-x1129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QKB0245clz3L56 for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 18:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=epbaIGGe; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1129) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info; dmarc=none Received: by mail-yw1-x1129.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-55a214572e8so178885357b3.0 for ; Sun, 14 May 2023 11:30:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; t=1684089057; x=1686681057; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SOl7a6gsJHP5FYyUgV1DlzfAMiysi6kI7VGOTsEzPEc=; b=epbaIGGe8zm8eHATxW0wMPUQdIMD3lSkDxJurSVvtc+UJDYNtab6yLoySdyLwBPxVR SrvqmPO8Rm2qGKo9JFvTbZYOBg2AFcTTXiQOqdvpeIOo3YaQzkb267CDu9zGNxmZNwjF M1cai0yLlxKIo8QsyYcjo5N+OkucTpMarAgBnrOwqkkw2zRF+LtSWxGg3iOK86+ckoAe 2oXD3gv6DQMv1ZNqmoSPg1qPaJqe9RpIBUKqW34UW6QMHF4350/RWIHHpDttDPWEMLae 5SGtKBCKvf0SPUZWSRTFkSApd6Cs7YjaZ9cNMw/X/tb3N9VzOJtgH6DyPo5i2PukSZ5M WGwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684089057; x=1686681057; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SOl7a6gsJHP5FYyUgV1DlzfAMiysi6kI7VGOTsEzPEc=; b=l4lYkQYEgXqWIU8yGOlwbmB5hkINrbbe4zb1OexhqN32CK/sw1plJYwze2UJ81JaZs cKq00/kr4ECtkco4GtPRlO3JFHUH+xXTORrr3wRsh9lrKu0kEYVqQ9wZw/6PVlFpLTxK b2R7b0En+wAoU8uCkklHmpDVDuWt/00L+QTwb6/GZFen3srySeGbyQPa7QCOrqwqxIC9 uNOuprN1q75EIh5iDnwdy76ISQe3/7o4aczL8DxetQpz9wOJUcy8hGXhXDXux0/ABEsG 8D9k6KsDaZDi472Bq+ZnsfAs04+ubrsYwj1gr63Bti/Ixy2gnMoJmTru79SOQsfkfuEG GAdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyGVKNFk+Usf7qLSPIr6gg5sdz1rPmjaFaEoqvBysiFZOcPl3DF rgpixGAa1Y8XaU4RpHzx0Tf6wg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5kDZkMn15Z2mSunbVjLh26YT4jLAtE7TNiMxQ6uQayhrjc2/ih4Qug090W6VmGJx3d0mLu0Q== X-Received: by 2002:a0d:df94:0:b0:55a:5630:fe88 with SMTP id i142-20020a0ddf94000000b0055a5630fe88mr27551525ywe.4.1684089057583; Sun, 14 May 2023 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw1-f175.google.com (mail-yw1-f175.google.com. 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Brute force O(N^2) comparison worked for > toy datasets, but was impractical when I applied it to a directory > containing thousands of files and hundreds of gigabytes. (The OP > mentioned 12 TB.) Practical considerations of run time, memory usage, > disk I/O, etc., drove me to find the kinds of optimizations fdupes(1) > and jdupes(1) mention. > > > I do not know Awk, so it is hard to comment on your script. I suggest > commenting out any create/update/delete code, running the script against > larger and larger datasets, and seeing what optimizations you can add. > > > David All good points, and why I rewrote it without multi-dimensional arrays. Initially, `stat' was ran on each file encountered, then compared sizes on matched path/filename-pairs. The multi-dimensional arrays stored the filenames, paths, and sizes (hence, multi-d). But that's wasteful since we only care about size if there are duplicates somewhere. This version runs `stat' only if an apparent duplicate is found, which cuts down the `stat' calls significantly. The reason awk is so efficient on types of tasks is because it's doing string comparisons and string manipulation, which is very efficient when done properly. The most resource-intensive part of the program is the initial `find' command, which traverses the directories given on the command line once, then caches what it finds (running `find' twice successively uses the cache the second time). It even trims the list of files as it goes, which makes the match-tests smaller as it runs. I've ran it on paths containing 40,000+ files and it takes less than 1-second on the second run, and less than 5-seconds on its first. Sizes of files don't matter since we're only doing a `stat' call to retrieve its known size, not comparing contents. That said, I found a bug when command-line paths have similar leading predicates, and realized I wasn't protecting names with white-spaces. This version fixes both. Try it out using the [-n] flag. It doesn't do anything but find files, compare names, and compare sizes on duplicates. The `rm' command is even protected during non-dryrun calls using the [-i] flag, which prompts the user before deleting anything. #!/bin/sh -e # remove or report duplicate files: $0 [-n] dir[1] dir[2] ... dir[n] if [ "X$1" = "X-n" ]; then n=1; shift; fi echo "Building files list from: ${@}" find "${@}" -xdev -type f | awk -v n=$n 'BEGIN { cmd = "stat -f %z " for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x]; ARGC = 0 } { files[$0] = match($0, "(" args ")/?") + RLENGTH } END { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i]) print "Comparing files ..." for (i = 1; i < x; i++) for (file in files) if (file ~ "^" ARGV[i]) { for (j = i +1; j < x; j++) if (ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) in files) { dup = ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) cmd "\"" file "\"" | getline fil_s; close(cmd "\"" file "\"") cmd "\"" dup "\"" | getline dup_s; close(cmd "\"" dup "\"") if (dup_s == fil_s) act("dup") else act("diff") } delete files[file] } } function act(message) { print ((message == "dup") ? 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I remowed >> > forward-tls... and port 853 and it works again but it is not the >> > same. >> > >> > Thank you. What doesn't work, specifically? When you run unbound in the foreground, do you see any errors? 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then n=1; shift; fi > > echo "Building files list from: ${@}" > > find "${@}" -xdev -type f | > awk -v n=$n 'BEGIN { cmd = "stat -f %z " > for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x]; ARGC = 0 } > { files[$0] = match($0, "(" args ")/?") + RLENGTH } > END { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i]) > print "Comparing files ..." > for (i = 1; i < x; i++) for (file in files) if (file ~ "^" ARGV[i]) { > for (j = i +1; j < x; j++) > if (ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) in files) { > dup = ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) > cmd "\"" file "\"" | getline fil_s; close(cmd "\"" file "\"") > cmd "\"" dup "\"" | getline dup_s; close(cmd "\"" dup "\"") > if (dup_s == fil_s) act("dup") > else act("diff") } > delete files[file] > } } > function act(message) { > print ((message == "dup") ? "duplicates:" : "difference:"), dup, file > if (!n) system("rm -vi \"" dup "\" }' "${@}" A virtual machine for testing: 2023-05-15 00:59:39 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ freebsd-version ; uname -a ; perl -v | grep . | head -n 1 12.4-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD vf1.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.4-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC amd64 This is perl 5, version 32, subversion 1 (v5.32.1) built for amd64-freebsd-thread-multi A Perl script to generate a test tree (tuned to generate a small tree by default): 2023-05-15 01:09:12 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ cat ~/bin/t_dir_tree #!/usr/bin/env perl # $Id: t_dir_tree,v 1.4 2023/05/15 08:09:08 dpchrist Exp $ # Generate tree of random directories and files with duplicates # By David Paul Christensen dpchrist@holgerdanske.com # Public Domain use strict; use warnings; use File::Path qw( make_path ); use Getopt::Long; my $dd = '/usr/bin/env dd'; my $d=3; my $f=10; my $m=1E3; my $u=1; GetOptions('d=i'=>\$d,'f=i'=>\$f,'m=i'=>\$m,'u=i'=>\$u) && @ARGV == 1 or die "Usage: t_dir_tree [-d=NDIR] [-f=NFILE] [-m=MAXFILESIZE]", " [-u=MAXDUP] PATH"; my $p = shift; die "$0: refusing to overwrite existing path '$p'" if -e $p; my %dp = (0 => $p); map {$dp{$_} = $dp{int(rand($_))} . "/$_"} 1 .. $d-1; print map {"$_ directory$/"} make_path(values %dp); my $n = 'a'; for (0 .. $f-1) { my $nsave = $n; my $of = $dp{int(rand($d))} . '/' . $n++; my $bs = int(rand($m)); print "$of file size=$bs$/"; qx($dd if=/dev/random of=$of bs=$bs count=1 2>/dev/null); die if $?; for (0 .. int(rand($u))) { my $df = $dp{int(rand($d))} . '/' . $nsave . '-' . $n++; print "$df file size=$bs$/"; qx($dd if=$of of=$df bs=$bs count=1 2>/dev/null); die if $?; } } Create a test tree: 2023-05-15 01:10:29 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ t_dir_tree foo foo directory foo/1 directory foo/1/2 directory foo/1/2/a file size=784 foo/1/a-b file size=784 foo/c file size=655 foo/1/c-d file size=655 foo/1/2/e file size=885 foo/e-f file size=885 foo/1/g file size=267 foo/g-h file size=267 foo/1/2/i file size=438 foo/1/i-j file size=438 foo/k file size=902 foo/1/2/k-l file size=902 foo/1/2/m file size=520 foo/m-n file size=520 foo/o file size=91 foo/1/2/o-p file size=91 foo/q file size=928 foo/q-r file size=928 foo/1/s file size=22 foo/1/2/s-t file size=22 Do a recursive listing and word count of tree to monitor for changes: 2023-05-15 01:16:27 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 fdupes(1) finds duplicates and does not change the tree: 2023-05-15 01:16:32 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ fdupes -fr foo | grep . foo/q-r foo/e-f foo/o foo/m-n foo/1/2/a foo/c foo/1/2/i foo/1/2/s-t foo/g-h foo/1/2/k-l 2023-05-15 01:17:57 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 Your script does not appear to do anything (?): 2023-05-15 01:19:00 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo Building files list from: foo Comparing files ... 2023-05-15 01:19:33 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 2023-05-15 01:19:35 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh foo Building files list from: foo Comparing files ... 2023-05-15 01:19:48 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 David From nobody Mon May 15 08:42:55 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QKXvF5v09z4BMWs for ; 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I remowed > >> > forward-tls... and port 853 and it works again but it is not the > >> > same. > >> >=20 > >> > Thank you. >=20 > What doesn't work, specifically? When you run unbound in the > foreground, do you see any errors? >=20 > For debugging, stop local_unbound, add `logfile: ""` to your `server:` > block in unbound.conf, and then run it in foreground: >=20 > /usr/sbin/local-unbound -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf -dvvvv >=20 > Adjust -v as required. >=20 > https://support.quad9.net/hc/en-us/articles/7200715305997-DNS-over-TLS-Fr= eeBSD-with-local-unbound > has a full config on their site, which can be summarised as defaults + >=20 > forward-zone: > name: "." > forward-tls-upstream: yes # Use DNS-over-TLS > forward-first: no # do NOT send direct >=20 > # 9.9.9.9 - Threat-blocking with DNSSEC > forward-addr: 9.9.9.9@853#dns.quad9.net > forward-addr: 149.112.112.112@853#dns.quad9.net >=20 > A+ > Dave >=20 I will do but as I wrote before I am using unbound from ports. --=20 =E2=80=9CIt is the time you have wasted for your rose that makes your rose = so important.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Antoine de Saint-Exup=C3=A9ry, The Little Prince=20 From nobody Mon May 15 08:43:38 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QKXwR1LZJz4BMX0 for ; 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Mon, 15 May 2023 01:43:53 -0700 Message-ID: <818813a2-8ab0-df54-3c59-0e1ba9ce743d@holgerdanske.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 01:43:38 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files from one directory To: questions@freebsd.org References: <9887a438-95e7-87cc-a162-4ad7a70d744f@optiplex-networks.com> <7747f587-f33e-f39c-ac97-fe4fe19e0b76@optiplex-networks.com> <7c2429c5-55d0-1649-a442-ce543f2d46c2@holgerdanske.com> <6a0aba81-485a-8985-d20d-6da58e9b5580@optiplex-networks.com> <347612746.1721811.1683912265841@fidget.co-bxl> <08804029-03de-e856-568b-74494dfc81cf@holgerdansk e.com> <126434505.494354.1684104532813@ichabod.co-bxl> Content-Language: en-US From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QKXwQ081qz3pf8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/15/23 01:29, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/14/23 15:48, Sysadmin Lists wrote: >> #!/bin/sh -e >> # remove or report duplicate files: $0 [-n] dir[1] dir[2] ... dir[n] >> if [ "X$1" = "X-n" ]; then n=1; shift; fi >> >> echo "Building files list from: ${@}" >> >> find "${@}" -xdev -type f | >> awk -v n=$n 'BEGIN { cmd = "stat -f %z " >> for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x]; >> ARGC = 0 } >>       { files[$0] = match($0, "(" args ")/?") + RLENGTH } >> END  { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i]) >>         print "Comparing files ..." >>         for (i = 1; i < x; i++) for (file in files) if (file ~ "^" >> ARGV[i]) { >>             for (j = i +1; j < x; j++) >>                 if (ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) in files) { >>                     dup = ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) >>                     cmd "\"" file "\"" | getline fil_s; close(cmd "\"" >> file "\"") >>                     cmd "\"" dup  "\"" | getline dup_s; close(cmd "\"" >> dup  "\"") >>                     if (dup_s == fil_s) act("dup") >>                     else act("diff") } >>             delete files[file] >>       } } >> function act(message) { >>      print ((message == "dup") ? "duplicates:" : "difference:"), dup, >> file >>      if (!n) system("rm -vi \"" dup "\" > }' "${@}" > Your script does not appear to do anything (?): > > 2023-05-15 01:19:00 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo > Building files list from: foo > Comparing files ... > > 2023-05-15 01:19:33 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 foo | wc >       26      24      82 > > 2023-05-15 01:19:35 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh foo > Building files list from: foo > Comparing files ... > > 2023-05-15 01:19:48 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 foo | wc >       26      24      82 I looks like your script only finds duplicates when the subpath is identical (?): 2023-05-15 01:38:20 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ cp -Ra foo bar 2023-05-15 01:39:18 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo bar Building files list from: foo bar Comparing files ... duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m duplicates: bar/c foo/c duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s duplicates: bar/k foo/k duplicates: bar/o foo/o duplicates: bar/q foo/q duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h 2023-05-15 01:39:41 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 2023-05-15 01:39:44 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 bar | wc 26 24 82 2023-05-15 01:40:10 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo bar Building files list from: foo bar Comparing files ... duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m duplicates: bar/c foo/c duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s duplicates: bar/k foo/k duplicates: bar/o foo/o duplicates: bar/q foo/q duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h 2023-05-15 01:40:22 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 foo | wc 26 24 82 2023-05-15 01:40:29 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ ls -R1 bar | wc 26 24 82 2023-05-15 01:40:34 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh foo bar Building files list from: foo bar Comparing files ... duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a remove bar/1/2/a? n duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j remove bar/1/i-j? n duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e remove bar/1/2/e? n duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b remove bar/1/a-b? n duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g remove bar/1/g? n duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i remove bar/1/2/i? n duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r remove bar/q-r? n duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n remove bar/m-n? n duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m remove bar/1/2/m? n duplicates: bar/c foo/c remove bar/c? n duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f remove bar/e-f? n duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s remove bar/1/s? n duplicates: bar/k foo/k remove bar/k? n duplicates: bar/o foo/o remove bar/o? n duplicates: bar/q foo/q remove bar/q? n duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d remove bar/1/c-d? n duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t remove bar/1/2/s-t? n duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p remove bar/1/2/o-p? n duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l remove bar/1/2/k-l? n duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h remove bar/g-h? n David From nobody Mon May 15 13:24:24 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QKg7y3Hn7z4Bc3H for ; 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Wasn't that the original problem description? I went off the example given by Paul earlier in this thread, and it looked like only files with matching subpaths were being considered (because the OP accidentally rsync'd files from a source to a bunch of destination dirs). If we're simply looking for files that have the same name anywhere in the set of dirs, then comparing their sizes to know if they're assumed (!) duplicates or differ in size, that's way easier to program. As a side note on performance, I ran the program on a set of 8 dirs containing over 750,000 files and 300G of data. Here are the results: real 0m10.791s user 0m5.361s sys 0m5.928s And here are the results for counting the files in the dirs using `wc': real 0m12.464s user 0m0.834s sys 0m11.671s That means the program processed the list of files quicker that `wc' could count them, which is wild. Obviously, as the number of apparent duplicates is encountered, the number of `stat' calls increases, and the run-time will, too. But this shows how efficient awk is at comparing strings. > 2023-05-15 01:38:20 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ cp -Ra foo bar > > 2023-05-15 01:39:18 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo bar > Building files list from: foo bar > Comparing files ... > duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a > duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j > duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e > duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b > duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g > duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i > duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r > duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n > duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m > duplicates: bar/c foo/c > duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f > duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s > duplicates: bar/k foo/k > duplicates: bar/o foo/o > duplicates: bar/q foo/q > duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d > duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t > duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p > duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l > duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h > > 2023-05-15 01:39:41 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 foo | wc > 26 24 82 > > 2023-05-15 01:39:44 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 bar | wc > 26 24 82 > > 2023-05-15 01:40:10 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh -n foo bar > Building files list from: foo bar > Comparing files ... > duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a > duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j > duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e > duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b > duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g > duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i > duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r > duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n > duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m > duplicates: bar/c foo/c > duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f > duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s > duplicates: bar/k foo/k > duplicates: bar/o foo/o > duplicates: bar/q foo/q > duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d > duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t > duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p > duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l > duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h > > 2023-05-15 01:40:22 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 foo | wc > 26 24 82 > > 2023-05-15 01:40:29 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ ls -R1 bar | wc > 26 24 82 > > 2023-05-15 01:40:34 dpchrist@vf1 /vf1zpool1/dpchrist > $ sysadmin.lists_mailfence.com-20230514-1548-find-dupes.sh foo bar > Building files list from: foo bar > Comparing files ... > duplicates: bar/1/2/a foo/1/2/a > remove bar/1/2/a? n > duplicates: bar/1/i-j foo/1/i-j > remove bar/1/i-j? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/e foo/1/2/e > remove bar/1/2/e? n > duplicates: bar/1/a-b foo/1/a-b > remove bar/1/a-b? n > duplicates: bar/1/g foo/1/g > remove bar/1/g? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/i foo/1/2/i > remove bar/1/2/i? n > duplicates: bar/q-r foo/q-r > remove bar/q-r? n > duplicates: bar/m-n foo/m-n > remove bar/m-n? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/m foo/1/2/m > remove bar/1/2/m? n > duplicates: bar/c foo/c > remove bar/c? n > duplicates: bar/e-f foo/e-f > remove bar/e-f? n > duplicates: bar/1/s foo/1/s > remove bar/1/s? n > duplicates: bar/k foo/k > remove bar/k? n > duplicates: bar/o foo/o > remove bar/o? n > duplicates: bar/q foo/q > remove bar/q? n > duplicates: bar/1/c-d foo/1/c-d > remove bar/1/c-d? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/s-t foo/1/2/s-t > remove bar/1/2/s-t? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/o-p foo/1/2/o-p > remove bar/1/2/o-p? n > duplicates: bar/1/2/k-l foo/1/2/k-l > remove bar/1/2/k-l? n > duplicates: bar/g-h foo/g-h > remove bar/g-h? n > > > David > Thanks for running that test. It's working as designed. However, it doesn't check if the apparent duplicate is literally the same file (same inode) encountered through an overlapping directory, or a hard-link. This one does (although it might be a moot point if I misunderstood the original problem). #!/bin/sh -e # remove or report duplicate files: $0 [-n] dir[1] dir[2] ... dir[n] if [ "X$1" = "X-n" ]; then n=1; shift; fi echo "Building files list from: ${@}" find "${@}" -xdev -type f | awk -d1 -v n=$n 'BEGIN { cmd = "stat -f \"%i %z\" " for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x]; ARGC = 0 } { files[$0] = match($0, "(" args ")/?") + RLENGTH } END { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i]) print "Comparing files ..." for (i = 1; i < x; i++) for (file in files) if (file ~ "^" ARGV[i]) { for (j = i +1; j < x; j++) if (ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) in files) { dup = ARGV[j] substr(file, files[file]) cmd "\"" file "\"" | getline; close(cmd "\"" file "\"") fil_i = $1; fil_s = $2 cmd "\"" dup "\"" | getline; close(cmd "\"" dup "\"") dup_i = $1; dup_s = $2 if (fil_i == dup_i) continue if (fil_s == dup_s) { act("dup") } else act("diff") } delete files[file] } } function act(message) { print ((message == "dup") ? 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On 15/05/2023 14:24, Steven Friedrich wrote:
I am ne= w to virtualization and zfs.

Could someone re-write 23.6.2. Creating a FreeBSD Guest =E2=80=A6
Please make a bug report for this, thanks.
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Creating a FreeBSD Guest =E2=80=A6 > > Please make a bug report for this, thanks. > > *Bug 271449* > - re-write 23.6.2 and 23.6.6 > > -- > FreeBSD freebsd.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE > releng/13.2-n254617-525ecfdad597 GENERIC amd64 > > . Hi, Thanks for the report, we will handle this as part lf the handbook working group. Bye! > --000000000000e5e11505fbced28d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, May 16, 2023, 14:34 Steven Friedrich <freebsdlouisville@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
On 5/15/23 9:52 PM, Graha= m Perrin wrote:
> On 15/05/2023 14:24, Steven Friedrich wrote:
>> I am new to virtualization and zfs.
>>
>> Could someone re-write 23.6.2. Creating a FreeBSD Guest =E2=80=A6<= br> > Please make a bug report for this, thanks.

*Bug=C2=A0271449* <https://b= ugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D271449>
- re-write 23.6.2 and 23.6.6

--
FreeBSD freebsd.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.2-R= ELEASE releng/13.2-n254617-525ecfdad597 GENERIC amd64

.

Hi,=

Thanks for the report,= =C2=A0 we will handle this as part lf the handbook working group.

Bye!
--000000000000e5e11505fbced28d-- From nobody Tue May 16 21:43:18 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLV9667F1z4BVN5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2023 21:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) Received: from altprdrgo04.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (altprdrgo04.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net [65.20.63.110]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLV954HLnz4Q41 for ; Tue, 16 May 2023 21:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@optonline.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=optonline.net header.s=dkim-002 header.b=AyPYDWSi; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dvoich@optonline.net designates 65.20.63.110 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dvoich@optonline.net; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=optonline.net; s=dkim-002; t=1684273401; bh=w9ZZgR4kWJft7q9G0ePJ6BdSCOpqBXoQQXIowVfNDeY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AyPYDWSiBJoW9ZrPrbWRj2QihjwiUCdt4f+Dz8Cv+mtuPvi8DypqrJqV6aQ8cwWMkYxjO0F6zDBVauxTLqdcBvRKehb0FGoQvclM0r2jEfFm8QIufwUaZ4p4p7FTT+LEQ1wA6JKC6UP8e5XrW8amOKgTc07hMlYxOK/1MYC53ddygSXTexU3Qxa69wLccN0+unBNnmPXri2FdFvlMaaC2OAlzK11PgJOwRQJzoUMEtx25bko85sWGABiQjgNYY2AIhymGiN3gzgM5TNbE/c08CKXHpoF2c3DVgc2IkpehjxVa7AIhHx+cVkZtmaWBXDcjQU/NHvCHNFWC0Ve4sf8Yg== X-RG-VS-CS: clean X-RG-VS-SC: 0 X-RG-VS: Clean X-Originating-IP: [24.185.149.5] X-RG-Env-Sender: dvoich@optimum.net X-RG-Rigid: 643FDC0B06CC3028 X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeehledgudeigecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucetnffvkfevgfgfufdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkjghfofggtgfgsehtqhertdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpegglhgrugcuofgrrhhkohhvuceoughvohhitghhsehophhtohhnlhhinhgvrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefgudefvefhgfegjeetvedtiedugeefffdvudeujeegteegueejfedvgeejieehgeenucffohhmrghinhepshgvtghtihhonhdrlhhsnecukfhppedvgedrudekhedrudegledrheenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopehhrghpphihrdgufigrrhhfjedrnhgvthdpihhnvghtpedvgedrudekhedrudegledrhedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeguvhhoihgthhesohhpthhonhhlihhnvgdrnhgvthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddprhgtphhtthhopehquhgvshhtihhonhhssehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghrpeguvhhoihgthhesohhpthhimhhumhdrnhgvthdpghgvohfkrfepfgfupdfovfetjfhoshhtpegrlhhtphhrughrghhotdeg X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean Received: from happy.dwarf7.net (24.185.149.5) by altprdrgo04.altice.prod.msg.synchronoss.net (5.8.812) (authenticated as dvoich@optonline.net) id 643FDC0B06CC3028 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 May 2023 17:43:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 17:43:18 -0400 From: Vlad Markov To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound support Message-ID: <20230516174318.760ad9db@happy.dwarf7.net> In-Reply-To: References: <278bd4a8-8a36-984c-78b8-3b66af48befa@Gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.37 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.872]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:65.20.63.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[optonline.net:s=dkim-002]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[optonline.net:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[optonline.net]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:65.20.63.0/24, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLV954HLnz4Q41 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 14 May 2023 15:16:30 +0200 Yuri wrote: > Steven Friedrich wrote: > > On 5/13/23 2:22 PM, Steven Friedrich wrote: =20 > >> I have an HP Slimline with a Realtek ALC3601 audio device.=C2=A0 I don= 't > >> see any Realtek audio devices in FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Hardware Notes. > >> Am I out of luck? > >> =20 > > There are no pcm devices in /dev, but sndstat says: > >=20 > > cat /dev/sndstat > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: (play/rec) default > > pcm1: (play/rec) > > pcm2: (play) > > No devices installed from userspace. > >=20 > > Does this mean no sound driver accepted these devices? =20 >=20 > Devices are called /dev/dsp*, see sound(4) man page (at least the FILES > section). >=20 > $ ls /dev/pcm* > zsh: no matches found: /dev/pcm* > $ cat /boot/kernel/kernel > /dev/dsp > (alien sounds) >=20 I don't see any responses so here is my experience. Yes, a sound driver was found for your devices. cat someRandomFile > /dsp, should send out some noise. It may not, in which case check the mixer. /usr/sbin/mixer comes with the s= ystem. It is possible the volume is off. Still no joy? I don't remember how I figured this out but I had to make entries in /boot/loader.conf. The handbook explains how to do this. It uses= device.hints vice loader.conf. I did my setup long ago. 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Wasn't that the original problem description? I went off the example > given by Paul earlier in this thread, and it looked like only files with > matching subpaths were being considered (because the OP accidentally rsync'd > files from a source to a bunch of destination dirs). > Glad to see this thread has turned into an interesting discussion.... Just as the OP :-) I will clarify.... There was no accidental rsync in place. Due to lack of storage my files where basically all over the place on different zpools. The problem is that most of those were on iscsi drives (all running Freebsd), so I needed to get them in a single place. Of course as the files where all over things became a mess. I bought a few new drives and created a new zpool just for this case. So virtually I had to sync the multiple directories to a single destination. *but* of course I didn't use the --remove-source-files option as I didn't want things to be destructive. But then I needed the extra space too and that's where this post came from. 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Look into -q -r (e.g. -bur etc.) --0000000000006d34fa05fbe07f70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:53=E2=80=AFP= M Kaya Saman <kayasam= an@optiplex-networks.com> wrote:
Hi,


I'm wondering if anyone knows of a tool like diff or so that can also <= br> delete files based on name and size from either left/right or
source/destination directory?



diff can also help. Look into -q -= r (e.g. -bur etc.)
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> > There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this > presentation.  Are there newer presentations of each virtualization > solution? > > Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? > I perused https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/FreeBSD_Dom0#Shortcomings Are these shortcomings still present?  I want dom0 to be FreeBSD, not Linux. -- FreeBSD freebsd.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE releng/13.2-n254617-525ecfdad597 GENERIC amd64 From nobody Wed May 17 12:47:21 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLtDx2X6gz4B5Lj for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 12:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLtDx0fCGz4MFK for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 12:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ac90178fdaso6482141fa.3 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684327679; x=1686919679; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=9CEoATkKM6Vp5C6oIIcMgubdG+WMoaPw+V5u2fpUVxY=; b=JLJyUtGReqDj1QBi9qvAGzzAe1kOA85Qk4pcAvKTF7hxnKgh1nrOkOxseuuHVYj9X8 fkwNrGMjHga7AwRZbTKaGoOy9VAd7xgPhEAPAbmddwzUy1wFsaV30ATeIVlZLwWF2Ybg vu3XVDTRopCCGxL6WDIVaYcpOPuiQTq9j7a3dwQVxDTDkJPytEjxfEabJ1F5AoOALe5v /rOHcF/KjrbRdBwV7aGhLdSHG6FyrZ53mERRrrUvJH6Q0yvkreVkdTL9XDwwmS6ywgT3 y6/hnfCnWbQOygBmgBpSiBPK98+XM3Bxbiy5CC1HjSZkgBeqvlabmqoQNqG7uhNIBt4O wRZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684327679; x=1686919679; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=9CEoATkKM6Vp5C6oIIcMgubdG+WMoaPw+V5u2fpUVxY=; b=jQBqUPkoJX5sdpMmUrsul6llnLmsQprztkVxQV+6ePi4oiD2hoAOVaBCoNdeIMUNsU JdeKMwKlTXmGgNTFN3+KkPw33TgLv7mFfxOLEqVHTprGsCl3MhL7SzF5IE4gtoGz0dDo AxB7ofUn3IBZs01m0NbSbhZWZkVdO2uEPeLtK4Mtz5CR50Y0JXoabwdL3Kyd2BmS5AAl cu93HbVdna+YBzXy+OByU/0iss0AcFQBcRuUmkNVN70CTkt4ElsLLqulSO5TSqEszQVo JiIWdlgGGVBm+hml+5dM7plEEXP1c6A1BpuzK1IzPn4VGhjJhb0D4R7pYoGUatpoLVOD 1gww== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDz4cy6TWoxS36JGNURAfOoKQTjU3OeAUXIeHPODc+/tAnS0iXoP jhujvQ5UbkCzU1WycCaWN0viSR6EWTbwxlzui/RsJxGpAZfczg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ5UsiSeDkmDKAXDJAfq9SNO9vBjFgZdlU00UdLaoLlZtM1+F1bacrYsWzHnTAmiy5eV75ifohq4yeSKLfdY7bY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8745:0:b0:2ad:90b2:62ff with SMTP id q5-20020a2e8745000000b002ad90b262ffmr9795560ljj.49.1684327678528; Wed, 17 May 2023 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 15:47:21 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Questions Cc: Steven Friedrich Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6cfbf05fbe3181c" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLtDx0fCGz4MFK X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000f6cfbf05fbe3181c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AFPM Steven Friedrich < freebsdlouisville@gmail.com> wrote: > I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the best > solution for my use case. > > I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several > partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. > > I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I am > perplexed by zfs complexity. I have no intention of offering commercial > virtualization. I just want to audit OSes. > > I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on > YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation. > Is there a written version of this presentation with slides available? > > There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this > presentation. Are there newer presentations of each virtualization > solution? > > Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? > Following! I have always been interested in playing with bhyve, but never got a good HOWTO for dummies :-) --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000f6cfbf05fbe3181c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AF= PM Steven Friedrich <freebsdlouisville@gmail.com> wrote:
I am new to virtualization on Free= BSD and trying to figure out the best
solution for my use case.

I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several
partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc.

I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I am perplexed by zfs complexity.=C2=A0 I have no intention of offering commerci= al
virtualization.=C2=A0 I just want to audit OSes.

I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on
YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation.=C2=A0=
Is there a written version of this presentation with slides available?

There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this
presentation.=C2=A0 Are there newer presentations of each virtualization solution?

Why would I choose bhyve over Xen?

Foll= owing!

I have always been interested in playing wi= th bhyve, but never got a good HOWTO for dummies :-)



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[75.221.175.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m18-20020ae9e712000000b0075acbc1153asm175357qka.121.2023.05.17.06.01.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 May 2023 06:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Friedrich X-Google-Original-From: Steven Friedrich Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 08:59:39 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD To: Odhiambo Washington , FreeBSD Questions References: Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLtXx1KMWz4PLh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/17/23 8:47 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:00 PM Steven Friedrich > wrote: > > I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the > best > solution for my use case. > > I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several > partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. > > I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, > though I am > perplexed by zfs complexity.  I have no intention of offering > commercial > virtualization.  I just want to audit OSes. > > I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monné on > YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation. > Is there a written version of this presentation with slides available? 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I have followed the bhyve development from the first time I came to FreeBSD from Linux. And I plan to try XEN from the beginning,too,BUT,I haven't installed it yet because I've read that : 1) it does not support EFI 2) it does not support the gpu passthrough These limitations are intolerable for me and I've chosen to use only bhyve. Does anyone know if they have been removed ? On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 2:48=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AFPM Steven Friedrich < > freebsdlouisville@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the best >> solution for my use case. >> >> I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several >> partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. >> >> I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I am >> perplexed by zfs complexity. I have no intention of offering commercial >> virtualization. I just want to audit OSes. >> >> I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on >> YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation. >> Is there a written version of this presentation with slides available? >> >> There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this >> presentation. Are there newer presentations of each virtualization >> solution? >> >> Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? >> > > Following! > > I have always been interested in playing with bhyve, but never got a good > HOWTO for dummies :-) > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] > --=20 Mario. --0000000000009717dc05fbe353e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
oh that's a nice tutorial to try. I have followed= the bhyve development from the first time I came to FreeBSD from Linux. An= d I plan to try XEN from the beginning,too,BUT,I haven't installed it y= et because I've read that :

1) it does not sup= port EFI
2) it does not support the gpu passthrough
These limitations are intolerable for me and I've chosen to= use only bhyve. Does anyone know if they have been removed ?=C2=A0

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 2:48=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:00=E2=80=AFPM Steven Friedrich <<= a href=3D"mailto:freebsdlouisville@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">freebsdloui= sville@gmail.com> wrote:
I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure = out the best
solution for my use case.

I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several
partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc.

I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I am perplexed by zfs complexity.=C2=A0 I have no intention of offering commerci= al
virtualization.=C2=A0 I just want to audit OSes.

I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on
YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation.=C2=A0=
Is there a written version of this presentation with slides available?

There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this
presentation.=C2=A0 Are there newer presentations of each virtualization solution?

Why would I choose bhyve over Xen?

Foll= owing!

I have always been interested in playing wi= th bhyve, but never got a good HOWTO for dummies :-)



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Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,=
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.&q= uot;,=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#= 9;=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
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[75.221.175.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l18-20020a0ce512000000b006215c5bb2e9sm4894301qvm.70.2023.05.17.06.20.37 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 May 2023 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Friedrich X-Google-Original-From: Steven Friedrich Message-ID: <8fb27ec5-f556-1295-842d-5a2383eaf162@Gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 09:18:25 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD Content-Language: en-US To: FreeBSD Questions References: <7a2ba833-95ce-87ee-f2a4-16e4dc120dfb@Gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7a2ba833-95ce-87ee-f2a4-16e4dc120dfb@Gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[75.221.175.254:server fail,2607:f8b0:4864:20::f31:server fail]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f31:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLtyZ671cz3Dg1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/17/23 8:41 AM, Steven Friedrich wrote: > On 5/17/23 8:00 AM, Steven Friedrich wrote: >> I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the >> best solution for my use case. >> >> I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several >> partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. >> >> I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I >> am perplexed by zfs complexity.  I have no intention of offering >> commercial virtualization.  I just want to audit OSes. >> >> I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monné on >> YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the >> presentation.  Is there a written version of this presentation with >> slides available? >> >> There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this >> presentation.  Are there newer presentations of each virtualization >> solution? >> >> Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? >> > I perused https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/FreeBSD_Dom0#Shortcomings > > Are these shortcomings still present?  I want dom0 to be FreeBSD, not > Linux. > This page was last edited on 26 October 2016, at 09:41 That was seven years go, has Xen abandoned FreeBSD? -- FreeBSD freebsd.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE releng/13.2-n254617-525ecfdad597 GENERIC amd64 From nobody Wed May 17 11:30:14 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLvBM6tW0z4B7kh for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 13:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-x112b.google.com (mail-yw1-x112b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLvBM6QvGz3HXG for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 13:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yw1-x112b.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-55a8e9e2c53so6478287b3.1 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 06:30:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684330251; x=1686922251; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Amsk39BYwsA2w3Tr0nhgdReQ1TBAJVlK7VS5wkXiGQc=; b=Mw5hagPi1+gDA+EGFmSriw7VmT8Ts4hFGz2NJEr6EsnMcq+lxMMusAL10uAOoCP/P+ eIuWIUz1ufM9x9e8n9r8AgeEkYUUBPBiU6nyLvi0FH6JmNZw27AUDob0RyMu3EfCoZjC rZKphOup7EZEICSr28TelPWkzbl5eqnQkZvqInKue6MsKKG/4ZBFle8lS6mZ1tqonmgr wvdiAF69x9RbrKtlGO+NIkMg5TD7Em8Uf3dUumS1mQimeGPaG5uyuz6N0o1PCZ9dfcrz uL+GvFCwFL8NjK1g7YiVbzqHNtM9OX/lweJ5FEhJjMlEaUvprlJo++G6NgbSt4si2awE Ohtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684330251; x=1686922251; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Amsk39BYwsA2w3Tr0nhgdReQ1TBAJVlK7VS5wkXiGQc=; b=j8drxZWnFYCPmpxYsAt7SKo8+D+s0JImN8GjatFDr/JGgCFfwJPNp3IP0ziUGYDSp6 TmiNI9Zk994BpA6EMq2A59CE0xvptx/Urgk8yHJXYkcqaun+SS84DZu6hjQx0jAoJ23T Uwq8Dnw1UxU2W9xhKTF0EB2PydQqQaCAbkn05jy+2nWBEybHa/HxaJ0/IgFvVJReWVZ6 zaf8MpZS5Bfju+0kR8gV+glPAHXHxQ35me4mJ0ZwFqYALG0JDSVbO04oUXZoRBViYq7w BE57g7NZqBIdPvG21wkZHZC3njtEkYuwnmYIjcp/fMq/y1yUf6S6QqLDs6OrDfWCRDSO uNYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDw+3H+biZk1Z51DC5X2gnAUqanVryNAcPfS07Zn4KghFdpNKw2f y/qaOavAk+IX2+0ASxEtK1FZtMqRoXcD6Qjm4Uk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7f5BB38J8QKh5TAQc7MXO5oIe9afQwjkrqfA+Me12cEbWQLsJKCBS8A/98msdMW/I5Pv2AC9BGNSrddHfRwDI= X-Received: by 2002:a81:4897:0:b0:55a:e0db:5604 with SMTP id v145-20020a814897000000b0055ae0db5604mr37349356ywa.26.1684330250644; Wed, 17 May 2023 06:30:50 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7a2ba833-95ce-87ee-f2a4-16e4dc120dfb@Gmail.com> <8fb27ec5-f556-1295-842d-5a2383eaf162@Gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8fb27ec5-f556-1295-842d-5a2383eaf162@Gmail.com> From: Mario Marietto Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 13:30:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD To: Steven Friedrich Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004635cd05fbe3b267" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLvBM6QvGz3HXG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000004635cd05fbe3b267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe FreeBSD abandoned Xen :( On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:21=E2=80=AFPM Steven Friedrich < freebsdlouisville@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/17/23 8:41 AM, Steven Friedrich wrote: > > On 5/17/23 8:00 AM, Steven Friedrich wrote: > >> I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the > >> best solution for my use case. > >> > >> I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several > >> partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. > >> > >> I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I > >> am perplexed by zfs complexity. I have no intention of offering > >> commercial virtualization. I just want to audit OSes. > >> > >> I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on > >> YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the > >> presentation. Is there a written version of this presentation with > >> slides available? > >> > >> There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this > >> presentation. Are there newer presentations of each virtualization > >> solution? > >> > >> Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? > >> > > I perused https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/FreeBSD_Dom0#Shortcomings > > > > Are these shortcomings still present? I want dom0 to be FreeBSD, not > > Linux. > > > This page was last edited on 26 October 2016, at 09:41 > > That was seven years go, has Xen abandoned FreeBSD? > > -- > FreeBSD freebsd.friedrich.org 13.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE > releng/13.2-n254617-525ecfdad597 GENERIC amd64 > > > --=20 Mario. --0000000000004635cd05fbe3b267 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe FreeBSD abandoned Xen :(

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at = 3:21=E2=80=AFPM Steven Friedrich <freebsdlouisville@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/17/23 8:41 AM, Steven Friedrich wr= ote:
> On 5/17/23 8:00 AM, Steven Friedrich wrote:
>> I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the=
>> best solution for my use case.
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>> I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting sever= al
>> partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc.
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>> commercial virtualization.=C2=A0 I just want to audit OSes.
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>> I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3= =A9 on
>> YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the
>> presentation.=C2=A0 Is there a written version of this presentatio= n with
>> slides available?
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>> There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this <= br> >> presentation.=C2=A0 Are there newer presentations of each virtuali= zation
>> solution?
>>
>> Why would I choose bhyve over Xen?
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> I perused https://wiki.xenproject.org= /wiki/FreeBSD_Dom0#Shortcomings
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> Are these shortcomings still present?=C2=A0 I want dom0 to be FreeBSD,= not
> Linux.
>
This page was last edited on 26 October 2016, at 09:41

That was seven years go, has Xen abandoned FreeBSD?

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Though it misses some features it is a great hypervisor. Xen has never been more than experimental as Dom0 on FreeBSD, also the freebsd-xen mailing list has been quite idle in recent years. Regards, Robert On 17.05.23 14:00, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I am new to virtualization on FreeBSD and trying to figure out the best > solution for my use case. > > I am running a workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting several > partitions of FreeBSD, Linux Minst, KDE Neon, etc. > > I only have a single hard drive (6TB), so root-on-zfs is ok, though I am > perplexed by zfs complexity.=C2=A0 I have no intention of offering comme= rcial > virtualization.=C2=A0 I just want to audit OSes. > > I have watched P03A: Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD - Roger Pau Monn=C3=A9 on > YouTube, but I have a hard time viewing and hearing the presentation. Is > there a written version of this presentation with slides available? > > There has been a lot of development of virtualization since this > presentation.=C2=A0 Are there newer presentations of each virtualization > solution? > > Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? > > From nobody Wed May 17 13:45:02 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLvVt25Smz4B8mp for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 13:45:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [IPv6:2001:608:a02::33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLvVr314mz3M4y for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from server.idefix.lan (unknown [93.182.104.69]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: idefix@fechner.net) by anny.lostinspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E5D45CC39; Wed, 17 May 2023 15:45:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fechner.net; s=default; t=1684331104; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=1TrgpxAOKw2ZEsdhr1FTtRxM4qI+Q/ApeqVr76Y0nZc=; b=p8WLP3iwHi2lqYr/r6GyCn0lBxcgl762JFHF2/Z3WhMBLASrusocrXbWH6OuYz+GFKj1WB iv2CtJs+0J2hhyC9/Nuz5LICfETpR2KAjKoOPW4Ioemtf2OG8qhDlrd0AMn/72DM3Zyfau DiJBPgoivp5vBjOywGu6Fr/5ykp0rXQ= Received: from [192.168.0.151] (idefix.idefix.lan [192.168.0.151]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EBD0E644A7; Wed, 17 May 2023 16:45:03 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 16:45:02 +0300 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD Content-Language: en-US To: Odhiambo Washington , FreeBSD Questions Cc: Steven Friedrich References: From: Matthias Fechner In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Action: no action X-Rspamd-Server: anny.lostinspace.de X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLvVr314mz3M4y X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5539, ipnet:2001:608::/32, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Am 17.05.2023 um 15:47 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > > Following! > > I have always been interested in playing with bhyve, but never got a > good HOWTO for dummies :-) had you have a look in cbsd? It provides you with a console based user interface for VMs and for jails. Very handy tool. It also support CBSDfile which can be seen as an alternative to Vagrantfile. The nice stuff is, you have a unique tool to handle VMs and jails. Gruß Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From nobody Wed May 17 14:14:45 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLw9m4bjPz4BBGB for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 14:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLw9m2d7Yz3PTv for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 14:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ac735fee70so631991fa.0 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684332922; x=1686924922; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vYhbqIUmAosJjL32VXUT0d0gS07vjOLQJc3En2ko+CU=; b=o0OIcTPlAFUKSBN8pzgul6clvatMJSC6dyfGEMWjj4gy3BJ2tT9s+K1K5E2z2d2Pzh OSTVDByY6FJ0qpad5Vt5hlJd9UUqkyvzL53xUd/w+uKTZe9XCy9IpeRZo+ztKCOxJB0F 0LXaILtFD79ArQlHPK089FSnfaS27Uacbb7dc66wf6fKSj76o6bCnDXwjYTTH0DMY8EX Z1u15QHUHdFESf4cGe5IHQV2npf8AwzX/gSRdu91ociaPcR92xnUn10pkYgzaj1QzSjQ XGXKYa+KR21SP0iPsMeMG//nAr4LeN4an8uED90bKIQHRGKLBnHr9ZfPVCxLgofEiyI5 SwfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684332922; x=1686924922; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vYhbqIUmAosJjL32VXUT0d0gS07vjOLQJc3En2ko+CU=; b=a6qF88gAQknL/Z+XZa7zU51ex0yn0hiF3QG0Q8SlZuDJv2UgJ9R623VX0eHnYAj489 20jrvvJaW07EEWqCKz8eaYj6JWAy939WLwgJxVEMAUjIAVQUTAmT9L3u3bjcebUF2pI2 DneKA4t/Alrx7OuAIbgtSJuxvbAb+girGge7Qayt6MoZLlvJHMFMcYUjbcRUYITwc3DT n25JXcruLxzcVt5l2v8xE3CJivumx3F6M7wobhhJilm5JXY+qXauH/CZQURVgMIcirYF OcpiSUCF0jRSShRkdYC9i08M7xxDxTxec5ieBtYFFBOPITE9ogxez7sm1q9vEezQVjLn jfsw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDwI86ZG7gufZS5NA01uPAgd5JPmzBaDZ6tyx7gnszKzJrQ9PSeR OdTE4sOJAdwzV/5lZnPxWzruDPm8n8gIv7dOx78= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6daQKAClOE3I8kw4S4QC9VPTeTk+UKNvtSFBs5TNjIBBgsWXxdAIavb4F/huPbXko2pE72+SsSykWPpy0khi4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:2328:b0:2ac:6d95:301f with SMTP id bi40-20020a05651c232800b002ac6d95301fmr834440ljb.2.1684332922035; Wed, 17 May 2023 07:15:22 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 17:14:45 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD To: Matthias Fechner Cc: FreeBSD Questions , Steven Friedrich Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008064b805fbe451fe" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLw9m2d7Yz3PTv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000008064b805fbe451fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Matthias Fechner wrote: > Am 17.05.2023 um 15:47 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > > > > Following! > > > > I have always been interested in playing with bhyve, but never got a > > good HOWTO for dummies :-) > > had you have a look in cbsd? > It provides you with a console based user interface for VMs and for jails= . > Very handy tool. It also support CBSDfile which can be seen as an > alternative to Vagrantfile. > > The nice stuff is, you have a unique tool to handle VMs and jails. > > Gru=C3=9F > Matthias > Thanks for this. I also just encountered iocage today. Going to compare. Is it possible to make VMs/Jails externally/publicly accessible when you have only 1 public IP address? --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --0000000000008064b805fbe451fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 4:45=E2=80=AF= PM Matthias Fechner <idefix@fechne= r.net> wrote:
Am 17.05.2023 um 15:47 schrieb Odhiambo Washington:
>
> Following!
>
> I have always been interested in playing with bhyve, but never got a <= br> > good HOWTO for dummies :-)

had you have a look in cbsd?
It provides you with a console based user interface for VMs and for jails.<= br> Very handy tool. It also support CBSDfile which can be seen as an
alternative to Vagrantfile.

The nice stuff is, you have a unique tool to handle VMs and jails.

Gru=C3=9F
Matthias

Thanks for this.
I also just encountered iocage today. Going to compare.
Is it possible to make VMs/Jails externally/publicly accessible wh= en you have only 1 public IP address?

--
Best regards,
Odh= iambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
&qu= ot;Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -= v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2= =AF=C2=A0:-)
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I used to have about 10 jails setup for things like DNS, Apache, mail, etc.= =C2=A0 Incoming and outgoing went across the usual ports... however, after = entering the GW, it would redirect to the correct machine onto, sometimes, = a different port. Paul On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:40:17 AM PDT, Dale Scott wrote: =20 =20 =20 I also just encountered iocage today. Going to compare. Is it possible to make VMs/Jails externally/publicly accessible when you ha= ve only 1 public IP address? I don't know about jails, but vm's may require configuring a virtual networ= k, a DHCP server and a firewall with NAT rules if you only have one public = IP address. This will be required with a bhyve vm, but it built-in with vir= tualbox-ose. If you used an external NAT router, you could configure the guest vm to bri= dge the host Ethernet interface (the default for bhyve), which would allow = both the host and guest vm to access the internet, but only one would be re= achable from the internet (by configuring the "pass-thru" feature on the NA= T router). =20 ------=_Part_3498117_1104944039.1684339122634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
If you set up pf correctly, you can redirect any traffic to any virtual IP.  However, you may need to redirect the ports to get to the correct machine.

I used to have about 10 jails setup for things like DNS, Apache, mail, etc.  Incoming and outgoing went across the usual ports... however, after entering the GW, it would redirect to the correct machine onto, sometimes, a different port.

Paul

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 07:40:17 AM PDT, Dale Scott <dalescott@shaw.ca> wrote:


I also just encountered iocage today. Going to compare.
Is it possible to make VMs/Jails externally/publicly accessible when you have only 1 public IP address?

I don't know about jails, but vm's may require configuring a virtual network, a DHCP server and a firewall with NAT rules if you only have one public IP address. This will be required with a bhyve vm, but it built-in with virtualbox-ose.

If you used an external NAT router, you could configure the guest vm to bridge the host Ethernet interface (the default for bhyve), which would allow both the host and guest vm to access the internet, but only one would be reachable from the internet (by configuring the "pass-thru" feature on the NAT router).

------=_Part_3498117_1104944039.1684339122634-- From nobody Wed May 17 16:15:38 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QLyrg6VkLz4BJwp for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 16:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QLyrf60KKz3wPc; Wed, 17 May 2023 16:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 34HGFcDh008505 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 17 May 2023 18:15:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: <8f941c31-9200-ddc6-8091-b3daca23d65d@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 18:15:38 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: Poudriere "bad file descriptor" Content-Language: en-US From: Andrea Venturoli To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2d907551-d0b4-f674-2586-3216e35c530f@netfence.it> Cc: bdrewery@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2d907551-d0b4-f674-2586-3216e35c530f@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QLyrf60KKz3wPc X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 4/24/23 12:20, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I run Poudriere on an amd64 server (8 cores Ryzen 7 with 32GiB of RAM > and ZFS RAID5 on enterprise SSDs) which has always worked fine. > > Since I upgraded to 13.2, my bulk runs often err on some port. > I looked in the logs of the failed port and always find the cause to be > a "Bad file descrptor"  message. Sorry to bump. No one seeing this? Should I open a bug? bye & Thanks av. 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[2003:c1:cf29:4c68:2d13:dafd:fb44:27b9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jy17-20020a170907763100b00969dc13d0b1sm12087298ejc.43.2023.05.17.10.33.13 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 May 2023 10:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <348d8e36-d975-e272-2749-bf93ccc0c493@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 19:33:11 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Language: de-DE From: =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_Toschl=c3=a4ger?= Subject: DNS over TLS with Discovery of Designated Resolvers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[2003:c1:cf29:4c68:2d13:dafd:fb44:27b9:server fail,2a00:1450:4864:20::533:server fail]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::533:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QM0Z35R1rz45pW X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi I am Daniel. I wanted to ask if there are any plans to in cooperate DNS over TLS with Discovery of Designated Resolvers into the Freebsd network infrastructure? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-add-ddr/ I am testing the howtos by the wuad9 and cloudflare community to use secure DNS resolve mechanisms. For IPv4 it works fine for me. Is there any chance that there will be a DoT_via_DDR_enable="YES" option in the rc.conf? Kind regards Daniel Toschläger From nobody Wed May 17 18:48:07 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QM2JS38D9z4BT2n for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 18:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx2.blackfoot.net (mx2.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx2.blackfoot.net", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QM2JR2khJz4GF6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 18:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=blackfoot.net header.s=ew header.b=kMgzsXgX; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vagabond@blackfoot.net designates 216.14.232.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vagabond@blackfoot.net; dmarc=none Received: from bmfe1.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.161]) by mx2.blackfoot.net ({0885e9ce-1b01-11e7-852e-37eff1d936ea}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20230517184808001_0000 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 12:48:08 -0600 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.133]) by bmfe1.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE1140D29 for ; Wed, 17 May 2023 12:48:07 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 11:48:07 -0700 From: vagabond To: Freebsd Questions Subject: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 Message-ID: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.161/32 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=kMgzsXgXOs3nVQzF+6BhToiMfbUKAjjOOE/V2Ln6nZ27MsDx4n/aOHh/9vtFhfWG8s2QXD9j+ANpaNtvoVjEmmV4AXSb6xHbroeKVvlq59z6oI4A7E+Q/4v29INsjg41KN7M7tcH0Cne+UK6wiNuZ6yTnyHbse2DyUmYR5JIa41hYDLoVozZdMgOS8zVFhzViTZ3u8QF4Yu30t9/1l3BeFN7BYPCg+CTx+LstZ9zsMTDWSHc31hVTxZh0nDcF8A5ZFut0UO68YawVqna1qdOYs3Shu4gg24IGmk8hRkzgS9pyc2jb8M6gx7fkxrc9SG6oZv1vNlXRA4nAvtRiOs3ew==; s=ew; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackfoot.net; v=1; bh=/l0YlijR1exKuNmdS02U/ygW+It57qUSoqz4L1kc880=; h=from:to:message-id; X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blackfoot.net:s=ew]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blackfoot.net:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:216.14.224.0/19, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[blackfoot.net]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QM2JR2khJz4GF6 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N I'm at my wits end. running 12.4 release, recently upgraded from 12.3 I can't receive any mail, although I can send (at least to an external account of mine) ok. But using the "mail" command on the local machine has the same problem as incoming mail from outside, e.g. mail -s "local to local" user@mydomain.com fails the same way incoming mail from outside fails: /var/log/maillog: SYSERR(root): MX list for mydomain.com. points back to mydomain.com sm-mta[42872]: 34HHlVD9043017: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=33742, relay=mydomain.com., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error sm-mta[42872]: 34HHlVD9043017: 34HHlVDA043017: DSN: Local configuration error sm-mta[42872]: 34HHlVDA043017: Losing ./qf34HHlVDA043017: savemail panic sm-mta[42872]: 34HHlVDA043017: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Running dns and mail from same box. my isp has bogus dns entries for my domain; trying to get that straightened out, but they are extremely slow responding. Regardless, since this is happening on delivery to the local machine, sendmail should be dealing with info returned from my local server, right? Not sending queries upstream for mydomain.com? The local zone file looks like this: $TTL 3600 @ IN SOA myserver.mydomain.com. root.mydomain.com. ( 2023051705 14400 ; Refresh delta, seconds (4 hrs (recommended)) 3600 ; Retry delta, if refresh fails, seconds (1 hr, recommended) 3600 ; Expire, seconds (1 hrs) 600 ) ; Minimum time-to-live, seconds (10 min, for testing) IN NS myserver.mydomain.com. ; authoritative name server IN NS ns.secondary1.com. IN NS ns.secondary2.com. mydomain.com. IN A aa.bb.cc.dd ; myserver IN A aa.bb.cc.dd ; mydomain.com. IN MX 10 myserver.mydomain.com. ; mydomain.com. IN SPF "v=spf1 +mx -all" ; allow MX record IPs to send, no others mydomain.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 +mx -all" ; allow MX record IPs to send, no others ns IN CNAME myserver ; nameserver cannot be CNAME; here for refs from stale dns Queries from outside and inside to mydomain.com seem to work fine, e.g. dig @mydomain.com mydomain.com -t mx ;; ANSWER SECTION: mydomain.com 3600 IN MX 10 myserver.mydomain.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: myserver.mydomain.com. 3600 IN A aa.bb.cc.dd /etc/resolv.conf: nameserver 127.0.0.1 What does sendmail do to resolve the MX that could make it come to this conclusion? I don't see anything more helpful in a debug log or the sendmail README. Suggestions for how to debug? 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Maybe this (I added a comment around two weeks ago):

during= bulk random pkgs fail due to poudriere not being able to chmod or chown a dependency during the build due to bad file descriptors =C2=B7 Issue #923 =C2=B7 freebsd/poudriere

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On 17/05/2023 13:00, Steven Friedrich wrote:
=E2=80=A6= workstation and hoping to ditch multi-booting =E2=80=A6=C2=A0 I jus= t want to audit OSes. =E2=80=A6

Oracle VirtualBox might be suitable. I have used it for years. emu= lators/virtualbox-ose

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Yes. I tried turning on -d8.10 and got the following output at startup, which I can't interpret... ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.mydomain.com, , 1, 28) ;; res_query(ns.mydomain.com, 1, 28) ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.mydomain.com, IN, AAAA) ;; res_send() ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31693 ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ns.mydomain.com, type = AAAA, class = IN ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1 ;; new DG socket ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31693 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ns.mydomain.com, type = AAAA, class = IN mydomain.com. 10M IN SOA ns.mydomain.com. root.mydomain.com. ( 2023051706 ; serial 4H ; refresh 1H ; retry 1H ; expiry 10M ) ; minimum ;; rcode = (NOERROR), counts = an:0 ns:1 ar:0 ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.mydomain.com, mydomain.com, 1, 28) ;; res_query(ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, 1, 28) ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, IN, AAAA) ;; res_send() ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44741 ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, type = AAAA, class = IN ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1 ;; new DG socket ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 44741 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, type = AAAA, class = IN mydomain.com. 10M IN SOA ns.mydomain.com. root.mydomain.com. ( 2023051706 ; serial 4H ; refresh 1H ; retry 1H ; expiry 10M ) ; minimum ;; rcode = (NXDOMAIN), counts = an:0 ns:1 ar:0 res_nsearch failed (-1) _res.options = 800012c3, HasWildcardMX = 0 I don't understand the 0 answers and NXDOMAIN at all It's not clear to me where all that is coming from, as strings like res_send() don't seem to appear in the source. Also, that only prints at startup; apparently it doesn't go through the domain.c code for delivery to a localhost, even though I get that error message back. Can anyone tell me / point me to how to build sendmail from the code in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail ? 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Wed, 17 May 2023 17:35:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3e2b4ee6-c098-456a-bb3a-4b1f45e4d888@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 17:35:43 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files from one directory To: questions@freebsd.org References: <9887a438-95e7-87cc-a162-4ad7a70d744f@optiplex-networks.com> <7c2429c5-55d0-1649-a442-ce543f2d46c2@holgerdanske.com> <6a0aba81-485a-8985-d20d-6da58e9b5580@optiplex-networks.com> <347612746.1721811.1683912265841@fidget.co-bxl> <08804029-03de-e856-568b-74494dfc81cf@holgerdansk e.com> <126434505.494354.1684104532813@ichabod.co-bxl> <818813a2-8ab0-df5 4-3c59-0e1ba9ce743d@holgerdanske.com> <941908372.622746.1684189567246@ichabod.co-bxl> <1e30ac66-a339-ce08-75ac-8e566f4d2278@optiplex-networks.com> Content-Language: en-US From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: <1e30ac66-a339-ce08-75ac-8e566f4d2278@optiplex-networks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:november.he.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QM9xg5WXFz3nMn X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/17/23 00:55, Kaya Saman wrote: > > On 5/15/23 23:26, Sysadmin Lists wrote: >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: David Christensen >>> Date: May 15, 2023, 1:43:38 AM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files >>> from one directory >>> >>> >>> I looks like your script only finds duplicates when the subpath is >>> identical (?): >>> >> Yeah. Wasn't that the original problem description? I went off the >> example >> given by Paul earlier in this thread, and it looked like only files with >> matching subpaths were being considered (because the OP accidentally >> rsync'd >> files from a source to a bunch of destination dirs). >> > > Glad to see this thread has turned into an interesting discussion.... > > > Just as the OP :-) I will clarify.... > > There was no accidental rsync in place. > > > Due to lack of storage my files where basically all over the place on > different zpools. The problem is that most of those were on iscsi drives > (all running Freebsd), so I needed to get them in a single place. Of > course as the files where all over things became a mess. > > I bought a few new drives and created a new zpool just for this case. So > virtually I had to sync the multiple directories to a single > destination. *but* of course I didn't use the --remove-source-files > option as I didn't want things to be destructive. > > > But then I needed the extra space too and that's where this post came from. > > > Regards, > > > Kaya I seem to recall that you decided to run a Perl script posted by a reader. How has that worked out? My first response presupposed that you wanted to delete /dir1, /dir2, and /dir3. Further messages indicated that you wanted to keep those directories and any unique files they contain. Please clarify your plans for those directories and their contents. How do you plan to validate the consolidation process when it is complete? David From nobody Thu May 18 03:53:56 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMGLq3tDwz4C0qH for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 03:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMGLq1GrCz44p5 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 03:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (2603-6080-3000-f008-90ba-455c-0633-41d9.res6.spectrum.com [IPv6:2603:6080:3000:f008:90ba:455c:633:41d9]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 34I3sBRd001569 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 May 2023 20:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 34I3sBRd001569 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1684382056; bh=shMKinsPBtv5ZJqmrYBwjDmmPGkiBmVQz/2eByQH93Y=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20sendmail=20error,=20"MX=20list=20for=20mydomain. com=20points=20back=20to=0D=0A=20server.mydomain.com"|From:=20"Dan =20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|In-Reply-To:=20<30b97a a95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net>|Date:=20Wed,=2017=20May= 202023=2023:53:56=20-0400|Cc:=20Dewayne=20,=0D=0A=20questions@freebsd.org|References:=20<303e35e4d8 9e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<30b97aa95162c1 63c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net>|To:=20vagabond=20; b=A3InQ97P6M8s+IVmf6+vai+Jr3ij6vSDkL2/VHemxygXdxJ2FYqI+yjp+lTWz3+dD zDmQRkWS2lkwfOVznxneqdAkkchu1rf6CCI5H9IT8AfZ4nLhJLnOIrGOzpkQJKCzXh c4uwcpnbVYGf/guTjbpUej6jswig6l2S3hI7+XSAO6GcRRiIH985gCpx9qd6fVK/al tC9hkR0W0XmhPlLQbXG04y1UlYOIgazyP5wx6bitU/nDYPn+IDnGKL1d2phDTSnWAU lGcJlmUCcbJ17XWH4VLSO5cqNiZEh4OK3wyXpftrJHUVhRhHy2rU1KX/FAMztG/hnt WS7/LukYN9j3A== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host 2603-6080-3000-f008-90ba-455c-0633-41d9.res6.spectrum.com [IPv6:2603:6080:3000:f008:90ba:455c:633:41d9] claimed to be smtpclient.apple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" In-Reply-To: <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 23:53:56 -0400 Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> To: vagabond X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10:0:0:0:142]); Thu, 18 May 2023 03:54:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMGLq1GrCz44p5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N First, don=E2=80=99t obscure your domain when you=E2=80=99re trying to = show DNS lookups, it really doesn=E2=80=99t help people trying to help = you. If you need more help and feel shy, feel free to contact me = offlist. Second, the =E2=80=9Cmail loops back to me=E2=80=9D error means = something handed you a piece of mail, ostensibly because your system is = the lowest MX host, but your system doesn=E2=80=99t know it=E2=80=99s = the termination point for it. What do you have in /etc/mail/local-host-names? Are you using the stock = freebsd.mc or sendmail.mc or whatever came with the system? The stock = file has: define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names=E2=80=99), but in = long-ago sendmail this file was called sendmail.cw. All variants of domains you accept mail for should be in = /etc/mail/local-host-names, and if you want to map separately for each = domain, you need to set up a virtusertable. -Dan (Dayjob: A DNS company you=E2=80=99ve heard of. Also, been running = sendmail in production for 20 years). > On May 17, 2023, at 8:12 PM, vagabond wrote: >=20 >> Do you have a "sendmail -bd" running? >=20 > Yes. >=20 > I tried turning on -d8.10 and got the following output at startup, > which I can't interpret... >=20 > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.mydomain.com, , 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.mydomain.com, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.mydomain.com, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31693 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.mydomain.com, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31693 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: = 0 > ;; ns.mydomain.com, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > mydomain.com. 10M IN SOA ns.mydomain.com. = root.mydomain.com. ( > 2023051706 ; serial > 4H ; refresh > 1H ; retry > 1H ; expiry > 10M ) ; minimum >=20 > ;; rcode =3D (NOERROR), counts =3D an:0 ns:1 ar:0 > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.mydomain.com, mydomain.com, 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 44741 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 44741 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: = 0 > ;; ns.mydomain.com.mydomain.com, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > mydomain.com. 10M IN SOA ns.mydomain.com. = root.mydomain.com. ( > 2023051706 ; serial > 4H ; refresh > 1H ; retry > 1H ; expiry > 10M ) ; minimum >=20 > ;; rcode =3D (NXDOMAIN), counts =3D an:0 ns:1 ar:0 > res_nsearch failed (-1) > _res.options =3D 800012c3, HasWildcardMX =3D 0 >=20 > I don't understand the 0 answers and NXDOMAIN at all > It's not clear to me where all that is coming from, as strings like = res_send() > don't seem to appear in the source. >=20 > Also, that only prints at startup; apparently it doesn't go through = the domain.c code > for delivery to a localhost, even though I get that error message = back. >=20 > Can anyone tell me / point me to how to build sendmail from the code = in > /usr/src/contrib/sendmail ? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Gary >=20 From nobody Thu May 18 04:19:30 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMGvn5XQVz4C1pZ for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 04:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx2.blackfoot.net (mx2.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx2.blackfoot.net", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMGvn2FHVz46WT for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 04:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from bmfe3.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.163]) by mx2.blackfoot.net ({0885e9ce-1b01-11e7-852e-37eff1d936ea}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20230518041930720_0000; Wed, 17 May 2023 22:19:30 -0600 X-RC-FROM: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.133]) by bmfe3.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D49380F16; Wed, 17 May 2023 22:19:29 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 21:19:30 -0700 From: vagabond To: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" In-Reply-To: References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 Message-ID: X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.163/32 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=WKYXWo0ouTADw+WuYyOWHvJ96QuQFkLA5PHFv3cbTtPsM+iosNRDmNdCjut2KTuu6aKTKe5aUL90GePzLsevoKSjVC1ltVnstSlT3X6IWuVFb+EZfm31eECCywLZltcyUnOwcfCwXlkQVDC61dwmsYMUc0C5N6bJ1yyAEgRNfPQh3sScMggc8f+TzdvvxZPAp+hZ18AJaWM2YUbjdM5QWkbpBCI5uK6C7KJfMLwq4EpeshCIluWL2jMBe7OT+AGEn1gAxmrcxgvMVc5pkX0Wme+Hin6CB/jBEqh9tA0/oGxWYj9LpBPsN9tNo7bFcpDUUrx1h/YVh2RPwkZX/pY7CQ==; s=ew; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackfoot.net; v=1; bh=BLIw6yFhDZRiPS30xgLYifUs1VEzX8nJv4+gUQ3cTzw=; h=from:to:message-id; X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMGvn2FHVz46WT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:216.14.224.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > What do you have in /etc/mail/local-host-names? ns.dreamchaser.org it did have ns.dreamchaser.org ns.discoveriesinwood.com > Are you using the stock freebsd.mc or sendmail.mc or whatever came with > the system? mc file was originally derived from freebsd.mc from 10.x adapted to 11.3 to 12.3 to 12.4 over the course of upgrades. It has: define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') > All variants of domains you accept mail for should be in > /etc/mail/local-host-names, and if you want to map separately for each > domain, you need to set up a virtusertable. don't need to map separately. Originally I accepted 2 domains, but to get it running I'm willing to change that to only 1, dreamchaser.org I just got rid of the other entry in local-host-names and bounced sendmail; the error persists. Any other places I could be messed up? Thanks, Gary From nobody Thu May 18 04:38:51 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMHLY6T8Bz4C2nC for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 04:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMHLY5KSJz493x for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 04:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (2603-6080-3000-f008-90ba-455c-0633-41d9.res6.spectrum.com [IPv6:2603:6080:3000:f008:90ba:455c:633:41d9]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 34I4d7XP007702 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 May 2023 21:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 34I4d7XP007702 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1684384749; bh=tl408VJrB+4JXdvdDJR6DCZRfPgk+A44oD3ziBloYlo=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20sendmail=20error,=20"MX=20list=20for=20mydomain. com=20points=20back=20to=0D=0A=20server.mydomain.com"|From:=20"Dan =20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|In-Reply-To:=20|Date:=20Thu,=2018=20May= 202023=2000:38:51=20-0400|Cc:=20Dewayne=20,=0D=0A=20questions@freebsd.org|References:=20<303e35e4d8 9e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<30b97aa95162c1 63c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20|To:=20vagabond=20; b=bRYhgt+TUcQ6RnsxxC2WkQux2KgxvWyU6PDmbYrxO2vv2JLUmDTDVYUSaTtbVO39/ K2z2eDwDiL8OdZMsMWeelTxLfJsX4G4nYN5bIl1Ik9mPNqxnwIPxYCcu4hLf4TdFg4 XjnRsb7Ezj3tgFYr07DR4gZQ6MhS9PNEPeqyY3flOVRFSiX9vSWDzIjx+7gufh3oid FzyVOeDGWLs02mOMXedHLoeg9xjBZlYR/CMlrTJ/LIZV6AuDmcSAwRqQop2PJxEOqG eqfYrQjLkjGJMDVnRrTl6RLGHsRQXS1mH5i9Ph6671FGz45ybSKrgOI3aklGET0uxu du/fO+bmBf8JA== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host 2603-6080-3000-f008-90ba-455c-0633-41d9.res6.spectrum.com [IPv6:2603:6080:3000:f008:90ba:455c:633:41d9] claimed to be smtpclient.apple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 00:38:51 -0400 Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> To: vagabond X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10:0:0:0:142]); Thu, 18 May 2023 04:39:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMHLY5KSJz493x X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N What you were saying about your ISP having bogus entries is quite = possibly at least part of the problem. Sendmail uses real DNS and ignores /etc/hosts (because it needs to look = up MX records, there are no MX records in /etc/hosts). If you *really* = want to cheat that, you can run BIND on localhost and put a zone for = your own domain answering on localhost, and put 127.0.0.1 in = /etc/resolv.conf. =20 What is the hostname of your system? Can you post your full freebsd.mc? Have you rebuilt your sendmail.cf recently? -Dan > On May 18, 2023, at 12:19 AM, vagabond wrote: >=20 >> What do you have in /etc/mail/local-host-names? > ns.dreamchaser.org > it did have > ns.dreamchaser.org > ns.discoveriesinwood.com >=20 >> Are you using the stock freebsd.mc or sendmail.mc or whatever came = with the system? >=20 > mc file was originally derived from freebsd.mc from 10.x adapted to = 11.3 to 12.3 to 12.4 over the course of upgrades. > It has: > define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') >=20 >> All variants of domains you accept mail for should be in = /etc/mail/local-host-names, and if you want to map separately for each = domain, you need to set up a virtusertable. >=20 > don't need to map separately. >=20 > Originally I accepted 2 domains, but to get it running I'm willing to = change that to only 1, > dreamchaser.org > I just got rid of the other entry in local-host-names and bounced = sendmail; > the error persists. > Any other places I could be messed up? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Gary From nobody Thu May 18 06:12:11 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMKQ860VTz4C7KM for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 06:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMKQ74bBLz4LN4 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 06:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=BBcxuygu; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1684390352; x=1686982352; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=ZQQFdEUilXFuFw54PpGkUhLRrlqNZkqLXoOJ5mCpskc=; b=BBcxuygupwFz7T5oeYWw5Y0Ll8xnggmVGH3Dg41id6UaMeWDd/77ZtqePpliJjKhyFLxj5OC/lbOqtEUH0kTpHxqN2DiKo04SysmK0E1PmnyEZcjVG9EuDkMO9/dxu+6AAoBw30lmZ5Q6hQs3B8qfv7FKYUANoxJo0SGW66IyiE= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMTAwMDAyNDNlNzMucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 18 May 2023 02:12:14 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (86-42-20-118-dynamic.b-ras1.bdt.dublin.eircom.net [86.42.20.118]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 18 May 2023 02:12:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pzWrz-00047o-Pg for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 May 2023 07:12:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 07:12:11 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of virtualization on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20230518071211.c2988334a29f27c1fe1f5bdf@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5010000243e73.e4a74f93ef7f59a3b192059765e5f65e@email-od.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMKQ74bBLz4LN4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, 17 May 2023 08:00:43 -0400 Steven Friedrich wrote: > Why would I choose bhyve over Xen? On FreeBSD Bhyve is the native hypervisor developed and maintained by the FreeBSD team bug reports and questions will receive serious attention. Xen is developed on Linux, FreeBSD support is patchy at best. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Thu May 18 06:40:22 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QML2M59cBz3bGlF for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 06:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QML2L0jvsz4QCV for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 06:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=netfence.it header.s=202304 header.b=TPMvuv6R; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 34I6eMlj008428 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 08:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202304; t=1684392023; bh=7pruUaz2heI0JumGlAzwykt86x9dUQsoRTajJ7M4QV0=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=TPMvuv6RFkIvtaihct3wdwfYe4M3x1nlCEBYqMSWzu/O10Y+zj5vcA4Ni+AbUa2zn FEGoLSwXuCXNTwqJE/mrQGnfBzQ87xmUwf2MuqjubMZ1Acy/nQiLy3bZzmlvH1rKK1 4EQe8BGjoLZPTIPLc58jw9UFysCp1T/GIdwWf1w8= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 08:40:22 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: Poudriere "bad file descriptor" Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <2d907551-d0b4-f674-2586-3216e35c530f@netfence.it> <8bf9a209-1790-a77f-6ac0-107394d4ecc2@freebsd.org> From: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: <8bf9a209-1790-a77f-6ac0-107394d4ecc2@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[netfence.it:s=202304]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[netfence.it:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QML2L0jvsz4QCV X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/18/23 01:49, Graham Perrin wrote: > Maybe this (I added a comment around two weeks ago): > > during bulk random pkgs fail due to poudriere not being able to chmod or > chown a dependency during the build due to bad file descriptors · Issue > #923 · freebsd/poudriere > Yes, that might be it. I'll subscribe there. Thanks. bye av. 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Xen is developed on Linux, FreeBSD support is patchy at best. You should also note there are at least 2 IaaS class bhyve managers I know of (PetiteCloud is currently tooo out of date to count... something I plan remedy 'soon') --=20 Aryeh M. 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Thu, 18 May 2023 10:53:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.20.23] (unknown [192.168.20.23]) by mail.optiplex-networks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5AA615C2C76 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 10:53:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 10:53:01 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files from one directory Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <9887a438-95e7-87cc-a162-4ad7a70d744f@optiplex-networks.com> <7c2429c5-55d0-1649-a442-ce543f2d46c2@holgerdanske.com> <6a0aba81-485a-8985-d20d-6da58e9b5580@optiplex-networks.com> <347612746.1721811.1683912265841@fidget.co-bxl> <08804029-03de-e856-568b-74494dfc81cf@holgerdansk e.com> <126434505.494354.1684104532813@ichabod.co-bxl> <818813a2-8ab0-df5 4-3c59-0e1ba9ce743d@holgerdanske.com> <941908372.622746.1684189567246@ichabod.co-bxl> <1e30ac66-a339-ce08-75ac-8e566f4d2278@optiplex-networks.com> <3e2b4ee6-c098-456a-bb3a-4b1f45e4d888@holgerdanske.com> From: Kaya Saman In-Reply-To: <3e2b4ee6-c098-456a-bb3a-4b1f45e4d888@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMQJk1nz0z3lcF X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[optiplex-networks.com:s=AE93A2AC-7F67-11EA-90AE-8A1FE64F6997]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[optiplex-networks.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6871, ipnet:212.159.64.0/18, country:GB]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[212.159.80.20] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/18/23 01:35, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/17/23 00:55, Kaya Saman wrote: >> >> On 5/15/23 23:26, Sysadmin Lists wrote: >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> From: David Christensen >>>> Date: May 15, 2023, 1:43:38 AM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files=20 >>>> from one directory >>>> >>>> >>>> I looks like your script only finds duplicates when the subpath is >>>> identical (?): >>>> >>> Yeah. Wasn't that the original problem description? I went off the=20 >>> example >>> given by Paul earlier in this thread, and it looked like only files=20 >>> with >>> matching subpaths were being considered (because the OP accidentally=20 >>> rsync'd >>> files from a source to a bunch of destination dirs). >>> >> >> Glad to see this thread has turned into an interesting discussion.... >> >> >> Just as the OP :-) I will clarify.... >> >> There was no accidental rsync in place. >> >> >> Due to lack of storage my files where basically all over the place on=20 >> different zpools. The problem is that most of those were on iscsi=20 >> drives (all running Freebsd), so I needed to get them in a single=20 >> place. Of course as the files where all over things became a mess. >> >> I bought a few new drives and created a new zpool just for this case.=20 >> So virtually I had to sync the multiple directories to a single=20 >> destination. *but* of course I didn't use the --remove-source-files=20 >> option as I didn't want things to be destructive. >> >> >> But then I needed the extra space too and that's where this post came=20 >> from. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Kaya > > > I seem to recall that you decided to run a Perl script posted by a=20 > reader.=C2=A0 How has that worked out? Very well. > > > My first response presupposed that you wanted to delete /dir1, /dir2,=20 > and /dir3.=C2=A0 Further messages indicated that you wanted to keep tho= se=20 > directories and any unique files they contain.=C2=A0 Please clarify you= r=20 > plans for those directories and their contents. Nope..... I wanted to delete the duplicate files within /dir1/path...=20 /dir2/path... and /dir3/path.... while keeping any files that differ. > > > How do you plan to validate the consolidation process when it is=20 > complete? The consolidation process is already finished. Rsync already took care=20 of that. I used: rsync -avvc --progress --ignore-existing src dst The script I was given then simply deleted the duplicates from the=20 source directories <- in fact this is really specific to me; as I just=20 wanted to make my life easier in order to find the files that have the=20 same names but different sizes. Now that I have only the different files left, I can merge them by=20 changing the directory name and adding a .1 or so to the end and then=20 simply rsync those directories over in addition. 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Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Your question is vague enough that you're excluding information that could help answer this. UFS or ZFS fs? If ZFS, its settings? Sparse or not? etc. The VM in particular, its disk settings? How is the disk being presented to the VM? AHCI or nvme. If it isn't obvious, I'm focusing particularly on the disks as I believe the answer lies therein. Also, I don't particularly care about cross posting to multiple lists but I'll mention it because it ruffles feathers. ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --00000000000096af2e05fbfbbcde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:4= 9=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... b= uilt yesterday OS
installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took
1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=3D/ world kernel" but=C2=A0 the first= VM I made
(4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!?

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Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org


Your question is vague enough th= at you're excluding information that could help answer this.

UFS or ZFS fs?=C2=A0 If ZFS, its settings?=C2=A0 Sparse or not? etc= .
The VM in particular, its disk settings?
How = is the disk being presented to the VM?=C2=A0 AHCI or nvme.

If it isn't obvious, I'm focusing particularly on the disks as I = believe the answer lies therein.

Also, I don't partic= ularly care about cross posting to multiple lists but I'll mention it b= ecause it ruffles feathers.

~Paul
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--00000000000096af2e05fbfbbcde-- From nobody Thu May 18 18:33:51 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdsn3mycz4BstP for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdsl6W7yz3Hx8 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=ihwJLC4V; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1684434844; x=1687026844; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=YIG0Z6NMY08sadz/nucCvyYlSH45HT2RB/Ec0F6AHYg=; b=ihwJLC4V3SZvFG196RdDCMbvHVChL73tMay2GKEWHljJCPHuIN0y7EEtNp18n8AmAd0Czyvzz3DU/fZ+moiJDqGU/QSYSZOTbxrTh03bZB4W43AV6one3TJF/h+pgPoLZSuxL/LFU4Eh3rfdF+etLC0YwF6j2xgGkRnnfK5Xxu0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMTAwMDAzZjJkOTgucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:33:54 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (86-42-20-118-dynamic.b-ras1.bdt.dublin.eircom.net [86.42.20.118]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pziRj-000GB6-CM for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 May 2023 19:33:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 19:33:51 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How is this possible Message-Id: <20230518193351.1d909bb35667eb2284c3dee7@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50100003f2d98.0119dfeeaace11afeedcefbf9978d7e9@email-od.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdsl6W7yz3Hx8 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 18 May 2023 13:48:45 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS > installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took > 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=/ world kernel" but the first VM I made > (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? Caching ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Thu May 18 18:34:29 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdtQ2hTrz4BstM; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdtN6ht3z3JlK; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:1::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net; dmarc=none Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [199.212.134.19]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 34IIYTr8030968 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPV6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:84cc:615b:b2de:cf50]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 34IIYSDZ050398 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:34:29 -0400 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.1 Subject: Re: How is this possible Content-Language: en-US To: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org References: From: mike tancsa In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.40 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[199.212.134.19:received]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdtN6ht3z3JlK X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Did it have to build clang on one and not the other ? It will say something different than make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 338: SYSTEM_COMPILER: Determined that CC=cc matches the source tree.  Not bootstrapping a cross-compiler. make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 343: SYSTEM_LINKER: Determined that LD=ld matches the source tree.  Not bootstrapping a cross-linker. --- buildworld_prologue --- On 5/18/2023 1:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS > installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took > 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=/ world kernel" but the first VM I made > (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? > From nobody Thu May 18 18:35:06 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMdvC5g3mz4Bsbd; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMdvC50lkz3L8m; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-50db91640d3so3636414a12.0; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684434918; x=1687026918; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=66+tjJyelbxhkR0t18yJTgS0uJp+lGkYvLcmRZBAZVw=; b=ZDowNj7DfBo8a2jSx7QhedadELoyCneFxToFKfvmfPTogzlPEc+mcyCO3y2sUqzn8I JNRZOJj0DH43IkA6+ajSKnbEJ2lZDrMFuV/IvsG/TmHt42ey7FxKHX3nYUdx7/zgCEtL iD+WM/XQMgDafuC6unA7z8vDcowHOBb/CGlHIeVbVmryLiNSuvcskFVDY9PkZtKH2l4/ bJz8Lmh7yWJbbyFMCXae2A+JOGUbrdOhhDwi3JBm3BWDWg6OnCeAyQQ13hzfnwi5QQpo RWndQHQtv53DfaobndqW/BTiYjksu0BQbkqaGxuqH/MwX0x2UrIGwqW6Z6hhFYPxSJi9 EzPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684434918; x=1687026918; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=66+tjJyelbxhkR0t18yJTgS0uJp+lGkYvLcmRZBAZVw=; b=CaWPGKn88lenNB5/U1kCK+0TfTOq3DMKwQsGw6HHkOLryEi+DUcqpR1ZIpwSO/sJB5 0oO9jwFEl7H7skZ6mlwpDyAPq4Pd3Lo4evc/nYPdSySsGjITF3BOEC63uBW2u90GfhKP +qMQiGaYm9N76jrxpYVHJoLW1UH/9vtg3naFKAO7d66V9UbQjWxwyYSnd/5r/Q8YnKOe yBXEw2UEy0AeZBG6zgzrqQyvr3A+yht5Sh8jeqymTaYFq4qPVLM7EZZ+Duu5zJSnW11v YJ7gHKfo8ejZzjm6n1/GE63UIGAtJuhJ3RXgI8rQ1uIyOgnRe9krF8IRhpAElROqjB6s gutw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDzFrQYK8OTHL/dAqfbLsGwDByOVUuEydwzgscIOlf/gAc6WDWX5 iQwXX5HulT0E/L5LQOvomnTkF11a5hkzj8gcje22jTLZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ44CrTZNjCcCEXa4yJQvBOCZlj5eo62oAyzaMeAWnKCExRDQBxteiTTBHnMNZCIsGyFAAErQQqijr6dM8/z6Sw= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:da1a:0:b0:50b:c97f:47bd with SMTP id r26-20020aa7da1a000000b0050bc97f47bdmr5751463eds.30.1684434918200; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How is this possible To: Paul Procacci Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMdvC50lkz3L8m X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:11=E2=80=AFPM Paul Procacci = wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:49=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS >> installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took >> 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=3D/ world kernel" but the first VM I made >> (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > > Your question is vague enough that you're excluding information that coul= d help answer this. > > UFS or ZFS fs? If ZFS, its settings? Sparse or not? etc. Both UFS using "entire disk" allocations. VM and host OS's on different d= rives > The VM in particular, its disk settings? See above... no special config on either host or VM (default config) > How is the disk being presented to the VM? AHCI or nvme. AHCI -- I specifically asked for SATA when nvm was offered because in the seen enough horror stories here of other places about NVM --=20 Aryeh M. 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It will say > something different than > > make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 338: SYSTEM_COMPILER: Determined > that CC=3Dcc matches the source tree. Not bootstrapping a cross-compiler= . > make[1]: "/usr/src/Makefile.inc1" line 343: SYSTEM_LINKER: Determined > that LD=3Dld matches the source tree. Not bootstrapping a cross-linker. > --- buildworld_prologue --- Both machines' OS's where brand new "out of the box" installs using nothing but default settings... the only difference is the VM lives on a different SSD then the host OS (2 identical 1 TB SSD's) > > > On 5/18/2023 1:48 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > I have a host (brand new replacement machine.... built yesterday OS > > installed today) running 12.4 w/ 12 cores and 32 GB of RAM that took > > 1:30 hrs to do "make DESDIR=3D/ world kernel" but the first VM I made > > (4 cores 8 GB of RAM) took only 1 hr?!?!?!? > > --=20 Aryeh M. 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I have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Thu May 18 18:51:34 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMfGC0KHKz4BtTl; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMfGB738Jz3hjC; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-510d8b0169fso2954475a12.1; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1684435906; x=1687027906; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=p2L3CNIO5410YVVzzM+IlOhG5PtRt60EdkSclpwTy4g=; b=ByEZ1uuIFkWUANwCnnxeqSunVsnqfoUpYeILhISzJ2KfYvS8kZUkAwX12oMqEeNFTX qwFCuoZkPGU26YjdBV48G9/mPd6zVJy4R9o7VWrvoOskhfZe/x/6oZk/cDU5gRf6uswq k6Zi+BLkS3cBx5vRqULDW/gx85EEHztjYPWHgBZWbjFGaP3eSvWdTlgkTjwzK+Nevag5 7wZdhgNvxZbASElSMSwD3KrE/FvNAW7U8+YfmMP4B5TAEsz/g8uLIwVP4uHgusn3EGgk 6STX7ns14+aTLef5BytVFw/3gSxmiHHhM3lQ4binrb36Fmcpxq2WuxYOXWs39dUa+erD h/Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1684435906; x=1687027906; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=p2L3CNIO5410YVVzzM+IlOhG5PtRt60EdkSclpwTy4g=; b=KrUwphJ6QV13xsgJ39G/0lRa5mxbysKVkw4k+zKhLAH48g3EQLTdMYfgmLEWahSZRT fe+5di7sl6X3Lkw17igM9mLTlsCRU3giZRSQdR/ASWx5fpsEgK7Mjjkx86keeMTjws79 XH9bP2QRVxPJWdv0COUv0iE8kNovuurcbqzPyXlXwd400pwmaaw46IIVtjlsaD5lwCrB K77CFYFlFUmtRo+XkvGraNVKw4hOF2sKLC5ZkthZ+Jt2hGC/FF9yNBP6AMLZSSudRqeq jzIlJ+EPswh9mrVNGM8+5tIAxBB1Y81kVp1e1UoAIW8Uk8Bd6gJUGhsVtILRfIAb1l1V mL3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDx/xUlo99n+U2v+5aSc+8T4TvlfDZHtl0Vrrc+wXgYUIYIniDQn XV9e58fUr23nlZ9iFhLf0UpFovoDS0SzFkPybgVUSWps X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4wDaxMeAbnifdjetemd0VXbF9VPfQY6diQnTj7O+78i5Rqr0eoWbgurOPPfuQHWVE53n3IODEfkuY8/0bfzUc= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fb9a:0:b0:506:741e:5c14 with SMTP id e26-20020a50fb9a000000b00506741e5c14mr6042857edq.30.1684435905619; Thu, 18 May 2023 11:51:45 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:51:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How is this possible To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMfGB738Jz3hjC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:48=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wrot= e: > > If you create a ramdisk and build there it will be even faster.. > assuming space is enough (kernel should go, not sure about world).. I > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end storage networking) > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Thu May 18 18:58:31 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMfQ801lZz4Bv3M for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx2.blackfoot.net (mx2.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx2.blackfoot.net", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMfQ74kF8z3k91 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from bmfe4.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.164]) by mx2.blackfoot.net ({0885e9ce-1b01-11e7-852e-37eff1d936ea}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20230518185832101_0000; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:58:32 -0600 X-RC-FROM: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.133]) by bmfe4.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C8E60D39; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:58:30 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 11:58:31 -0700 From: vagabond To: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" In-Reply-To: <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 Message-ID: <66db9ba3bd66fcc56affdbf7a2621021@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.164/32 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=C0THNLRif6h8RF96oY/HM2mlxd4FqeqrX5NiB2MERVLYsBMroodvqK+jDX7M5TOy2eVF5cqhlH/sjUFThDV4o+em+WYnIO+x1jtfEXmuZ/2nVzBGl38LFoP2Ictr1Ux5JRAj7pjgSt4tWawKO4Heq6aaedQ/tdKCc0XigbKLeX1GoDM9tEJyq+eMzxWuULMsmgXmzU453iJSwLpX3+wt9srI0fZVrMLFsmPEeQrHNhI2TKPYdin/Rw0e7wgP6RkgC5BelUZkmwtgoFJpE9z/zCTVAIhGB1O5HYDccybwnN+j0trP6MysxdN9b6BPiwsEVMoeQDNAgYYWhDWx5y89uA==; s=ew; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackfoot.net; v=1; bh=tmB5cLB613TueVlcTfrlz8y0RR+Jo+MjoQPxM0zHV/w=; h=from:to:message-id; X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMfQ74kF8z3k91 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:216.14.224.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > What you were saying about your ISP having bogus entries is quite > possibly at least part of the problem. I can understand that, although when sending from an account on the machine where both named and sendmail are running, to the same account @dreamchaser.org, it should be using the local named, right? And if that named is the authoritative nameserver for the domain, then the needed dns request should stay local, right? > Sendmail uses real DNS and ignores /etc/hosts (because it needs to look > up MX records, there are no MX records in /etc/hosts). > If you *really* want to cheat that, you can run BIND on localhost and > put a zone for your own domain answering on localhost, and put > 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf. Not sure I understand what you're saying. I am running BIND (9.18) on the localhost. As the primary for the domain, it answers for the domain for which sendmail is receiving. 127.0.0.1 is the only thing currently in resolv.conf > What is the hostname of your system? $ hostname ns.dreamchaser.org > Can you post your full freebsd.mc? I've omitted initial comment sections and those entirely dnl'ed out ============================ divert(-1) divert(0) VERSIONID(`$FreeBSD: releng/12.4/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc 363465 2020-07-24 00:22:33Z gshapiro $') OSTYPE(freebsd6) DOMAIN(generic) FEATURE(access_db, `hash -o -T /etc/mail/access') FEATURE(blocklist_recipients) FEATURE(local_lmtp) FEATURE(mailertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') FEATURE(virtusertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') dnl Uncomment to activate your chosen DNS based blacklist dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `dnsbl.example.com') dnl Alternatively, you can provide your own server and rejection message: dnl FEATURE(dnsbl, `dnsbl.example.com', ``"550 Mail from " $&{client_addr} " rejected"'') FEATURE(dnsbl, `zen.spamhaus.org') dnl Uncomment the first line to change the location of the default dnl /etc/mail/local-host-names and comment out the second line. dnl define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/sendmail.cw') define(`confCW_FILE', `-o /etc/mail/local-host-names') dnl Enable for both IPv4 and IPv6 (optional) DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv4, Family=inet') dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6, Modifiers=O') dnl Configuration for milter-greylist dnl See /usr/local/share/doc/milter-greylist/README dnl dnl 2023-05-18 the following are already activated in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/m4 macros dnl j,{if_addr},{cert_subject},i,{auth_authen} are already enabled by default dnl define(`confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT', confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT``, j, {if_addr}'') dnl define(`confMILTER_MACROS_ENVFROM', confMILTER_MACROS_ENVFROM``, i, {auth_authen}') dnl define(`confMILTER_MACROS_HELO', confMILTER_MACROS_HELO``, {verify}'') define(`confMILTER_MACROS_ENVRCPT', confMILTER_MACROS_ENVRCPT``, {greylist}'') INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`greylist', `S=local:/var/milter-greylist/milter-greylist.sock, F=T, T=R:30s') define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA') define(`confBIND_OPTS', `WorkAroundBrokenAAAA') define(`confNO_RCPT_ACTION', `add-to-undisclosed') define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS', `authwarnings,noexpn,novrfy') MAILER(local) MAILER(smtp) ============================ I have the STARTTLS lines commented out at the moment because I'm not sure which letsencript .pems correspond to which items. I think the map is something like: /etc/mail/cert letsencrypt SERVER_CERT host.cert cert.pem SERVER_KEY host.key privkey.pem CLIENT_CERT host.cert cert.pem CLIENT_KEY host.key privkey.pem CACERT host.key no clue, is the one in /etc/certs usable? CACERT_PATH host.key no clue, is the one in /etc/certs usable? DH_PARAMETERS dh.param does not exist in either dir in any case, I'm still seeing, for all mail slated for delivery, something like this: ns sm-mta[17103]: ... Milter (greylist) add: header: X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greyli st-4.6.4 (ns.dreamchaser.org [0.0.0.0]); Thu, 18 May 2023 12:29:28 -0600 (MDT) ns sm-mta[17103]: ... SYSERR(root): MX list for dreamchaser.org. points back to ns.dreamchaser.org ... ns sm-mta[17103]: ... mailer=esmtp, pri=32597, relay=dreamchaser.org., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error ns sm-mta[17103]: ... Losing ./qf34IITSHg017130: savemail panic ns sm-mta[17103]: ... SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere > Have you rebuilt your sendmail.cf recently? 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[209.85.128.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d145-20020a0ddb97000000b0056183cdb2d9sm601399ywe.60.2023.05.18.12.03.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 18 May 2023 12:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-55a1462f9f6so22421387b3.3; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:7500:2311:b0:105:713e:8c86 with SMTP id t17-20020a057500231100b00105713e8c86mr163289gac.49.1684436585454; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:03:05 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 21:02:52 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: How is this possible To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[209.85.128.170:server fail,2607:f8b0:4864:20::1134:server fail]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1134:from,209.85.128.170:received]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMfWH2SH2z3ljD X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:51=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedmanwrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:48=E2=80=AFPM Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > If you create a ramdisk and build there it will be even faster.. > > assuming space is enough (kernel should go, not sure about world).. I > > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) > > See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) > backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). > As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 > or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end > storage networking) True :-) I have additional nvme pci-e controller and fast nvme drive as my OS storage.. on an older machine.. it really blows my sock off (faster than SATA SSD).. but the raidz2 uses WD RED Pro 4x4TB HDD for more important stuff and zfs stripe on WD RED 2x2TB as scratchpad :-P It would be good to know the VM (bhyve?) and host fs (ZFS?) and the vm fs (UFS?) :-) I have noticed after switching to ZFS that my raid was a lot faster on UFS.. but I had consistency errors on crash which now I do not have with ZFS and I have really nice features now for instance snapshots and amazingly flexible pools allocation :-) Yet another crazy idea: have you tried running that vm directly from a ramdisk/tmpfs? 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I > > > have tried with 128GB RAM and it works quite well on older hardware.. > > > similar to newer hardware with 32GB RAM and nvme disk :-) > > > > See other replies two identical SSD's (same model number and capacity) > > backing both the physical OS and VM's OS (each on a different drive). > > As to NVM I still don't trust it even though it has been around for 7 > > or 8 years now (too much experience with OS wackiness with high end > > storage networking) > > True :-) I have additional nvme pci-e controller and fast nvme drive > as my OS storage.. on an older machine.. it really blows my sock off > (faster than SATA SSD).. but the raidz2 uses WD RED Pro 4x4TB HDD for > more important stuff and zfs stripe on WD RED 2x2TB as scratchpad :-P See below for ZFS problems... we purposely decided to not do anything fancier then mirroring and only then so one the drives can safely be backed up > > It would be good to know the VM (bhyve?) and host fs (ZFS?) and the vm > fs (UFS?) :-) I have noticed after switching to ZFS that my raid was a > lot faster on UFS.. but I had consistency errors on crash which now I > do not have with ZFS and I have really nice features now for instance > snapshots and amazingly flexible pools allocation :-) The machine this is replacing (hard crashed a few days ago) was ZFS and frankly ZFS posed more of a problem then a solution for restoring at the virtual drive level (zpool scrub cleared the error but corrupted the virtual drive then once I get the OS reinstalled it started spontaniously rebooting while doing a make -j12 DESTDIR=3D/ and thus the new machine).... due to problems with ZFS I decided to use UFS this time and rely of more traditional backups the ZFS as primary backups --=20 Aryeh M. 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( 2023051708 ; serial 4H ; refresh 1H ; retry 1H ; expiry 10M ) ; minimum ;; rcode = (NOERROR), counts = an:0 ns:1 ar:0 ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA) ;; res_send() ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45481 ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, type = AAAA, class = IN ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1 ;; new DG socket ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 45481 It's not clear to me what's going on; I don't see any of those function calls like res_nquerydomain in the code. Can someone tell me what those are? And does the above point a finger anywhere in particular? hostname is "ns.dreamchaser.org", set in rc.conf dig @127.0.0.1 ns.dreamchaser.org dig ns.dreamchaser.org nslookup dreamchaser.org nslookup ns.dreamchaser.org all successfully return the appropriate ip. Thanks, Gary From nobody Thu May 18 23:11:02 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMm1Q5djHz4C80l for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from little.analyst892@aceecat.org) Received: from beesty.loosely.org (beesty.loosely.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4c0::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMm1Q1Qs6z47SK for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 23:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from little.analyst892@aceecat.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=aceecat.org header.s=rsa header.b=Bxef+Q3q; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of little.analyst892@aceecat.org designates 2600:3c01:e000:4c0::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=little.analyst892@aceecat.org; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aceecat.org ; s=rsa; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dzicKa2ZrUmnCjnpS856YAwi39hqU1lGS6QkirWJUMY=; b=Bxef+Q3qXoH1yaQvtZaB7BYvFq ZF+r8/eY7XBHb2bKxOs6xWK7/s36HVjurx5yQwRO/PNLHfaApe7OnlBAbYByyBHtVzZ+0DhS6Vc6P 50SJrdu10h+hoDn5t0ZmmYhFjeB2pv766Dzf+y+GLr4xTnor1WxOOjG5LI2Q/MJeavF36oExGdUFs VLyEzd6TYhLchzOgp+my4cssOObw/UJueJRt24usC674+xCsh7iRGqBmrv6JgrOtpDBwJtC0vte8y EZDjnQ2ESOIgOCI8Ead4ClpWrePiuWLoN9F3MrL79aC411GJbwMnHcPwibpH9p8DgW1mvLQrBujNp 6p4bBy4A==; Received: from [::1] (helo=beesty ident=itz) by beesty.loosely.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96-7-26c7d7ee0) (envelope-from ) id 1pzmly-0000vF-25 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 May 2023 16:11:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 16:11:02 -0700 From: little.analyst892@aceecat.org To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" Message-ID: <36svtlxy3m4kgajgqvgbtwmhj4zxa6bh6kmhips23htiydjfio@2x7m2rfekk25> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> <66db9ba3bd66fcc56affdbf7a2621021@blackfoot.net> <2f8bca59462afe206043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2f8bca59462afe206043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aceecat.org:s=rsa]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:63949, ipnet:2600:3c01::/32, country:SG]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aceecat.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[aceecat.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMm1Q1Qs6z47SK X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 03:36:52PM -0700, vagabond wrote: > sm_gethostbyname(ns.dreamchaser.org, 28)... > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, , 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19039 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org, type = AAAA, class = IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19039 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org, type = AAAA, class = IN > dreamchaser.org. 10M IN SOA ns.dreamchaser.org. > root.dreamchaser.org. ( > 2023051708 ; serial > 4H ; refresh > 1H ; retry > 1H ; expiry > 10M ) ; minimum > > ;; rcode = (NOERROR), counts = an:0 ns:1 ar:0 > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45481 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, type = AAAA, class = IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 45481 > > It's not clear to me what's going on; I don't see any of those function > calls like res_nquerydomain in the code. > Can someone tell me what those are? > > And does the above point a finger anywhere in particular? > > hostname is "ns.dreamchaser.org", set in rc.conf > > dig @127.0.0.1 ns.dreamchaser.org > dig ns.dreamchaser.org > nslookup dreamchaser.org > nslookup ns.dreamchaser.org > > all successfully return the appropriate ip. Not a complete answer, but all these commands look up the IPv4 address (ie. the A record), while the debug output is for the IPv6 (AAAA). -- Ian From nobody Fri May 19 02:44:21 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMrlz6B6zz4CKY6 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 02:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMrlz3d0nz3CH2 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 02:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple ([149.20.66.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 34J2iWDA098098 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 May 2023 19:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 34J2iWDA098098 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1684464276; bh=HZHa8yx9n2A52UzFyM0DEkNddFKJQc9IgTMybtf0MkQ=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; z=From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|Subject:= 20Re:=20sendmail=20error,=20"MX=20list=20for=20mydomain.com=20poin ts=20back=20to=0D=0A=20server.mydomain.com"|Date:=20Thu,=2018=20Ma y=202023=2022:44:21=20-0400|In-Reply-To:=20<2f8bca59462afe206043be a73241bbf2@blackfoot.net>|Cc:=20Dewayne=20,=0D=0A=20questions@freebsd.org|To:=20vagabond=20|References:=20<303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@b lackfoot.net>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@black foot.net>=0D=0A=20 =0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20 <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org>=0D=0A=20<66db9ba3 bd66fcc56affdbf7a2621021@blackfoot.net>=0D=0A=20<2f8bca59462afe206 043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net>; b=BX3IpSRYkDNeqQtZjGjBgf32X2XePBnlc4q+dOpu2ERqnnZdCzCBiV/Y1S7tHMyrW iO7i+rK3BqkaGgFvP9chIdKVDSAN4ThN8UiOkRW+cd1/mXM0ZbveDAShufK9YcLFtv fvyQD8ZzLY3IT45kTLMkLwEp9u6NKxIOuv7f4zYjmaggul7h1OQCU8cCFm8nlVtcIm I8i0cWsR71KDdrbQq62F0S+6pPzLXe4m9YKVvea/v3gUkghxt5QFBn2xZFDN3z6GHm yIZYqPi3te2XPthzd7Kj1vyD/JroDHp0zzJXHsx5aoxRkL97OO9wYrw6+BZ1s9YW8L jS6myKB+cJnEg== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host [149.20.66.196] claimed to be smtpclient.apple From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E54FCDCF-8EDE-48F8-B2D3-C2611D36D3A2" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 22:44:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2f8bca59462afe206043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net> Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org To: vagabond References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> <66db9ba3bd66fcc56affdbf7a2621021@blackfoot.net> <2f8bca59462afe206043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (prime.gushi.org [149.20.68.142]); Fri, 19 May 2023 02:44:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMrlz3d0nz3CH2 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --Apple-Mail=_E54FCDCF-8EDE-48F8-B2D3-C2611D36D3A2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Do you see it? It=E2=80=99s subtle. =20 Your system is asking your own 127.0.0.1 DNS for the AAAA for = ns.dreamchaser.org (because sendmail attempts ipv6 before it attempts = ipv4) You forgot a trailing . in your NS records. Your DNS kicks back that = =E2=80=9Chey, I don=E2=80=99t know about ns.dreamchaser.org=E2=80=9D so = it gives you an SOA record. (answer =3D 0, authority =3D 1) is doing lookups for ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org because of that. Post your zone file? Also, pro tip, If you say =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m running this query and = everything comes back as expected=E2=80=9D please do include the OUTPUT = of those queries. You don=E2=80=99t know what you=E2=80=99re looking = for. Here=E2=80=99s what I think it happening: (Have a reference here: = https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/other/Sendmail_3rd/1565928393_sendmail3-chp= -9-sect-2.html) Your system is looking at its own rdns/fdns, and discovering that its = hostname is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org (probably because your = primary IP is not present in /etc/hosts). It attempts to deliver to = itself, and finds that mail SHOULD come to it (since your = misconfiguration says your MX is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org AND = that=E2=80=99s what you resolve to, but = ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org isn=E2=80=99t in = /etc/mail/local-host-names. Recommendations: * Put your primary addresses in /etc/hosts =E2=80=94 there are numerous = documented cases of sendmail ignoring /etc/hosts but it *might* help = clue it in to your proper hostname at least. * Fix your forward and reverse DNS * (and in fact, stop faking it out. Fix it at your hosting provider. = if your hosting provider is taking this long, find another one) -Dan > On May 18, 2023, at 6:36 PM, vagabond wrote: >=20 > I turned a bunch of debug flags on and ran sendmail in the foreground, > and I see the following output: >=20 > sm_gethostbyname(ns.dreamchaser.org, 28)... > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, , 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19039 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19039 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: = 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org, type =3D AAAA, class =3D IN > dreamchaser.org. 10M IN SOA ns.dreamchaser.org. = root.dreamchaser.org. ( > 2023051708 ; serial > 4H ; refresh > 1H ; retry > 1H ; expiry > 10M ) ; minimum >=20 > ;; rcode =3D (NOERROR), counts =3D an:0 ns:1 ar:0 > ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28) > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA) > ;; res_send() > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45481 > ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > ;; ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, type =3D AAAA, class =3D = IN > ;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D 127.0.0.1 > ;; new DG socket > ;; got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 45481 >=20 > It's not clear to me what's going on; I don't see any of those = function > calls like res_nquerydomain in the code. > Can someone tell me what those are? >=20 > And does the above point a finger anywhere in particular? >=20 > hostname is "ns.dreamchaser.org", set in rc.conf >=20 > dig @127.0.0.1 ns.dreamchaser.org > dig ns.dreamchaser.org > nslookup dreamchaser.org > nslookup ns.dreamchaser.org >=20 > all successfully return the appropriate ip. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Gary --Apple-Mail=_E54FCDCF-8EDE-48F8-B2D3-C2611D36D3A2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Do you see it? =  It=E2=80=99s subtle.  

Your system is = asking your own 127.0.0.1 DNS for the AAAA for ns.dreamchaser.org = (because sendmail attempts ipv6 before it attempts = ipv4)

You forgot a trailing . in your NS records. =  Your DNS kicks back that =E2=80=9Chey, I don=E2=80=99t know about = ns.dreamchaser.org=E2=80=9D so it gives you an SOA record. (answer =3D = 0, authority =3D 1)

is doing lookups for = ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org because of = that.

Post your zone = file?

Also, pro tip, If you say =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99= m running this query and everything comes back as expected=E2=80=9D = please do include the OUTPUT of those queries.  You don=E2=80=99t = know what you=E2=80=99re looking for.

Here=E2=80=99= s what I think it happening:  (Have a reference here: https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/other/Sendmail_3rd/= 1565928393_sendmail3-chp-9-sect-2.html)

Your = system is looking at its own rdns/fdns, and discovering that its = hostname is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org (probably because your = primary IP is not present in /etc/hosts).  It attempts to deliver = to itself, and finds that mail SHOULD come to it (since your = misconfiguration says your MX is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org AND = that=E2=80=99s what you resolve to, but = ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org isn=E2=80=99t in = /etc/mail/local-host-names.

Recommendations:

* Put your primary addresses in /etc/hosts =E2=80=94 = there are numerous documented cases of sendmail ignoring /etc/hosts but = it *might* help clue it in to your proper hostname at least.
* = Fix your forward and reverse DNS
* (and in fact, stop faking = it out.  Fix it at your hosting provider.  if your hosting = provider is taking this long, find another = one)

-Dan

On May 18, 2023, at 6:36 PM, vagabond = <vagabond@blackfoot.net> wrote:

I turned a bunch of debug = flags on and ran sendmail in the foreground,
and I see the following = output:

sm_gethostbyname(ns.dreamchaser.org, 28)...
;; = res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, <Nil>, 1, 28)
;; = res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28)
;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, = ns.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA)
;; res_send()
;; = ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19039
;; = flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; =      ns.dreamchaser.org, type =3D AAAA, class =3D= IN
;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D 127.0.0.1
;; new DG = socket
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, = status: NOERROR, id: 19039
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: = 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; =      ns.dreamchaser.org, type =3D AAAA, class =3D= IN
dreamchaser.org.        10M IN = SOA      ns.dreamchaser.org. = root.dreamchaser.org. (
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;            =   2023051708      ; serial
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;            =   4H =             &n= bsp;; refresh
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;            =   1H =             &n= bsp;; retry
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;            =   1H =             &n= bsp;; expiry
=             &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;            =   10M ) =           ; = minimum

;; rcode =3D (NOERROR), counts =3D an:0 ns:1 ar:0
;; = res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, dreamchaser.org, 1, 28)
;; = res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28)
;; = res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA)
;; = res_send()
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: = NOERROR, id: 45481
;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, = ADDITIONAL: 0
;; =      ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, type =3D= AAAA, class =3D IN
;; Querying server (# 1) address =3D = 127.0.0.1
;; new DG socket
;; got answer:
;; = ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: = 45481

It's not clear to me what's going on; I don't see any of = those function
calls like res_nquerydomain in the code.
Can = someone tell me what those are?

And does the above point a finger = anywhere in particular?

hostname is "ns.dreamchaser.org", set in = rc.conf

dig @127.0.0.1 ns.dreamchaser.org
dig = ns.dreamchaser.org
nslookup dreamchaser.org
nslookup = ns.dreamchaser.org

all successfully return the appropriate = ip.

Thanks,

Gary

= --Apple-Mail=_E54FCDCF-8EDE-48F8-B2D3-C2611D36D3A2-- From nobody Fri May 19 04:43:21 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMvNz42sLz4BRLK for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 04:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx1.blackfoot.net (mx1.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.blackfoot.net", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMvNz0z1Cz3LNj for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 04:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from bmfe3.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.163]) by mx1.blackfoot.net ({9cf3d135-7b6e-4041-a57b-61a932741f4e}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20230519044322811_0000; Thu, 18 May 2023 22:43:22 -0600 X-RC-FROM: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.133]) by bmfe3.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EBC80F16; Thu, 18 May 2023 22:43:20 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 21:43:21 -0700 From: vagabond To: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Cc: Dewayne , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail error, "MX list for mydomain.com points back to server.mydomain.com" In-Reply-To: References: <303e35e4d89e68dcd9863239dcda568e@blackfoot.net> <30b97aa95162c163c1781ba1a0fa8e25@blackfoot.net> <15AF7ED7-BBD9-428D-939F-4AA5B349C578@gushi.org> <66db9ba3bd66fcc56affdbf7a2621021@blackfoot.net> <2f8bca59462afe206043bea73241bbf2@blackfoot.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 Message-ID: <3da26eb675ecd5d10947fb53fcf3524a@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.163/32 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=K1PSAlGH8ezmqvedrU6LX7nYCGAvmOdfNw4AxhmX2hrot8C87+8KjkltcsdrJX1FfIWIZlOiRe9ksGiUS+/5F/0C9yKzKER5UupQjoVI903wFuk2TAxexVjcMCrfcjCrJsLNiAj1TLV/6eJ6zglhaHZGcQYINDm6I/SdxEMHxJKyajLxX1L4k4JhUAigE0WDxWLKViPXMUC9PcwHHjPrAko9IpYJLkhPqBwM/1E39axtkFGaU4LfGbUUJ/Ga6GQ+q7xKFb6TAsStn/IrUiBJbynksX2JwNTaD9sbs8kTG38fDWvgTSspnQc80IbDx/V9Fi5XDnBLnq/s0+fmtC5LyA==; s=ew; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackfoot.net; v=1; bh=OBRRBwhhYzZjInZoZ/ByWpsUtYOFOSfyBHUcbjCKtTs=; h=from:to:message-id; X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMvNz0z1Cz3LNj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:216.14.224.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2023-05-18 19:44, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote: > Do you see it? It’s subtle. > > Your system is asking your own 127.0.0.1 DNS for the AAAA for > ns.dreamchaser.org (because sendmail attempts ipv6 before it attempts > ipv4) ok. > You forgot a trailing . in your NS records. Your DNS kicks back that > “hey, I don’t know about ns.dreamchaser.org” so it gives you an SOA > record. (answer = 0, authority = 1) > > is doing lookups for ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org because of > that. > > Post your zone file? Staring hard, but I still don't see it. This is a cut down one (removed comments and other hosts) which still fails. secondary names have been changed. # cat dreamchaser.org.zone ;$ORIGIN DREAMCHASER.ORG. $TTL 3600 ; default expiration time of resources w/o their own TTL spec @ IN SOA ns.dreamchaser.org. root.dreamchaser.org. ( 2023051801 ; Serial number of this data 14400 ; Refresh delta, seconds (4 hrs (recommended)) 3600 ; Retry delta, if refresh fails, seconds (1 hr, recommended) 3600 ; Expire, seconds (1 hrs) 600 ) ; Minimum time-to-live, seconds (10 min, for testing) IN NS ns.dreamchaser.org. IN NS ns.secondary.org. IN NS ns.other-secondary.com. dreamchaser.org. IN A 66.109.141.57 ns IN A 66.109.141.57 dreamchaser.org. IN MX 10 ns.dreamchaser.org. dreamchaser.org. IN SPF "v=spf1 +mx -all" dreamchaser.org. IN TXT "v=spf1 +mx -all" > Here’s what I think it happening: (Have a reference here: > > Your system is looking at its own rdns/fdns, and discovering that its > hostname is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org (probably because your > primary IP is not present in /etc/hosts). It attempts to deliver to > itself, and finds that mail SHOULD come to it (since your > misconfiguration says your MX is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org > AND that’s what you resolve to, but ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org > isn’t in /etc/mail/local-host-names. # cat /etc/hosts ::1 localhost.dreamchaser.org. localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost.dreamchaser.org. localhost 66.109.141.57 ns.dreamchaser.org. ns > * Put your primary addresses in /etc/hosts — there are numerous > documented cases of sendmail ignoring /etc/hosts but it *might* help > clue it in to your proper hostname at least. see above > * Fix your forward and reverse DNS > * (and in fact, stop faking it out. Fix it at your hosting provider. > if your hosting provider is taking this long, find another one) Not sure what you mean by faking it out? My isp is my only choice. 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I have searched the BIOS settings to hell and back and can't find any setting even related to this. How do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). -- Aryeh M. 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It=E2=80=99s subtle. >> Your system is asking your own 127.0.0.1 DNS for the AAAA for >> ns.dreamchaser.org (because sendmail attempts ipv6 before it attempts >> ipv4) >=20 > ok. >=20 >> You forgot a trailing . in your NS records. Your DNS kicks back that >> =E2=80=9Chey, I don=E2=80=99t know about ns.dreamchaser.org=E2=80=9D = so it gives you an SOA >> record. (answer =3D 0, authority =3D 1) >> is doing lookups for ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org because of = that. >> Post your zone file? >=20 > Staring hard, but I still don't see it. > This is a cut down one (removed comments and other hosts) > which still fails. > secondary names have been changed. DNS is public. Still not sure why you feel the need to do that. >> Here=E2=80=99s what I think it happening: (Have a reference here: >> Your system is looking at its own rdns/fdns, and discovering that its >> hostname is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org (probably because your >> primary IP is not present in /etc/hosts). It attempts to deliver to >> itself, and finds that mail SHOULD come to it (since your >> misconfiguration says your MX is ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org >> AND that=E2=80=99s what you resolve to, but = ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org >> isn=E2=80=99t in /etc/mail/local-host-names. >=20 > # cat /etc/hosts > ::1 localhost.dreamchaser.org. localhost > 127.0.0.1 localhost.dreamchaser.org. localhost > 66.109.141.57 ns.dreamchaser.org. ns trailing dots don=E2=80=99t typically get used in /etc/hosts, but = they=E2=80=99re probably harmless here. I=E2=80=99d remove them. >> * Put your primary addresses in /etc/hosts =E2=80=94 there are = numerous >> documented cases of sendmail ignoring /etc/hosts but it *might* help >> clue it in to your proper hostname at least. >=20 > see above >=20 >> * Fix your forward and reverse DNS >> * (and in fact, stop faking it out. Fix it at your hosting provider. >> if your hosting provider is taking this long, find another one) You had complained of bogus entries, and of them being slow, that was = what I had meant. In a perfect world, you should not need to host a = zone file for something you=E2=80=99re not authoritative for, like = 141.109.66.in-addr.arpa. as you=E2=80=99re presently doing. It=E2=80=99s = a useful workaround, but will break lookups to anything else in that = subnet. Everything in your zone file *looks* right here. Is your ISP giving you = any kind of ipv6 address? 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Sad to say the LED's seem to be powered by the same wire as the fan it self (i.e. it is a part of the 4 pin PSU connector) --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Fri May 19 05:52:12 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMwwW4LfYz4BVvV for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMwwV5c1vz3lnD for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=JIfX2Euf; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gushi.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org Received: from smtpclient.apple ([149.20.66.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 34J5qNkS027223 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 May 2023 22:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 34J5qNkS027223 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1684475545; bh=os3oBrnVhXgX3R7BU8HXwM8tuQnF1mQvrUvJTS82Fg4=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20OT:=20How=20to=20disable=20the=20lights=20on=20m odern=20case=20fans|From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|In-Reply-To:=20<57420510-87C2-4167-8659-5590B436BF55@pri me.gushi.org>|Date:=20Fri,=2019=20May=202023=2001:52:12=20-0400|Cc :=20Steve=20O'Hara-Smith=20,=0D=0A=20questions@f reebsd.org|References:=20=0D=0A=20<20230519063513.298bd9246fc615 b659a2ad43@sohara.org>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<57420510-87C2-4167-8659 -5590B436BF55@prime.gushi.org>|To:=20Aryeh=20Friedman=20; b=JIfX2EufxMX8R4HJwinje8gGer4xPSfOI/z2SOog+1tLD1kcHDn81jsSI2niRpMkF cJGQENy4EPPbYJI6LuCV73brjjfpeyuGZSIAS7m/U680XhNIYBimP3xCoAAMLi82Li jVOeLiZM6ZaOZF2oPuoS9DxUGlBYh0bJWNxKqGRqSwOoko2x+4Bku7YBCHizcM/YvV tHNYhFDnz0HTNSLNFJsYU5jny08RBpvg4SRDBznWHpSle6IsuLbPt7BV/f1kmfJUTx OUK2VOqmmV8ZNanwWzSni40Wj0ik/kw5gd7TjBzZndWPd6APeN54/+DIXC8mZqAe1n kamJdw6tin+ZQ== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host [149.20.66.196] claimed to be smtpclient.apple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" In-Reply-To: <57420510-87C2-4167-8659-5590B436BF55@prime.gushi.org> Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 01:52:12 -0400 Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8771546B-A473-4AD1-83BD-5216E9FA4899@gushi.org> References: <20230519063513.298bd9246fc615b659a2ad43@sohara.org> <57420510-87C2-4167-8659-5590B436BF55@prime.gushi.org> To: Aryeh Friedman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (prime.gushi.org [149.20.68.142]); Fri, 19 May 2023 05:52:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_REJECT(0.00)[gushi.org:s=prime2014]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gushi.org:-]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gushi.org,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMwwV5c1vz3lnD X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Yeah, this used to be a complicated feature that you had to add = yourself, like 20 years ago, now its annoyingly common. Like automatic transmissions. The answer is another fan, or failing that, some black nail polish in = several coats. > On May 19, 2023, at 1:50 AM, Dan Mahoney wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On May 19, 2023, at 1:46 AM, Aryeh Friedman = wrote: >>=20 >> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:35=E2=80=AFAM Steve O'Hara-Smith = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 00:56:10 -0400 >>> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>=20 >>>> How >>>> do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to = sleep). >>>=20 >>> Wire cutters ? >>=20 >> Sad to say the LED's seem to be powered by the same wire as the fan = it >> self (i.e. it is a part of the 4 pin PSU connector) >>=20 >> --=20 >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >>=20 >=20 > Yeah, this used to be a complicated feature that you had to add = yourself, like 20 years ago, now it=E2=80=99s annoyingly common. >=20 > Like automatic transmissions. >=20 > The answer is another fan, or failing that, some black nail polish in = several coats. >=20 > -Dan From nobody Fri May 19 05:59:08 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMx4N0W9Mz4BW2n for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMx4L4KF3z3n3w for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=HohzUhip; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMx4J6N5Sz9snG for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:59:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684475952; bh=5p0xmlD67b4FPO4DVYUuMCVxHy6UV1DljYTBbrn7lE4=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HohzUhipfgo44+fndLWglUKbzPcxmRYBZZOoeeQ+R6h/r3tL4ainLrLeCEcY8Es/Y VEJffDYPvNbRaX0fjOTqyO09laN8kziuSQ+IIH+cpNNAdEtFBzYBDy2VbDoXzfO3e6 B1Md75qBPwFiqaAeoc91i4ESA+j+KFMA8YQJa4H8= X-Riseup-User-ID: 614BB34B9CECE1A2C509FFFA861BE82B6DC2124E1B6FF44A226D84AF7C509E07 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QMx4J26w1zJnsc for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 05:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9b97ee56c9c88a7cdf7b826ff0f21bf88a05b49b.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 07:59:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMx4L4KF3z3n3w X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 00:56 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > (as always DIY built) [snip] How do I turn the damned things off Hi, you probably already know the answer. It depends and in the worst case the answer is "You would have to go inside the fan housing and trace the wiring". Btw. I DIY build my PCs, too and when I bought the parts for my new PC this year in March, I cared about the parts I bought. There are a few pitfalls, since a lot of information isn't provided. For example, I ensured that the firmware provides BIOS legacy mode. It does, but when I try to enable it, it doesn't work. The culprit is the integrated GPU of the intel CPU. It is only possible to enable legacy BIOS, when using another GPU. This information is hard to get. The workaround is, that I migrated from syslinux to grub and stay with UEFI. I hate grub. My new PC case is terrible. For example, it doesn't fix in place PCIe cards at the unscrewed end. There's no workaround for this issue. There are way more issues with my new machine due to missing information. I don't suffer from fans with RGB LEDs, since it's usually impossible to miss this information. I wonder why somebody does buy fans with RGB LEDs in the first place. 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I wonder why somebody does buy fans with RGB LEDs in > the first place. The store (microcenter) didn't have a single case that was not an RGB fan nor any boxed CPU's that where not also RGB fans. And since this machine is meant to replace our main file/repo server that had a horrible death last weekend, mail order is not an option (besides I refuse by electronics mail order). --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Fri May 19 06:09:47 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMxJj0tmBz4BWF8 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5010000559261.f4c3fc8014d17c9d206da9efbb97bb12@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMxJj0Lsmz3qND for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5010000559261.f4c3fc8014d17c9d206da9efbb97bb12@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1684476597; x=1687068597; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=9TsDOdyls7B90JxtEp3/+ZstFRsn6uo1KMxS0f7pQAU=; b=tqpmg1zIFZ2ohK7/2CUE1y74RVZtzIwPm1m8EcUOANI8hmJ8KwVeCJwCktkqQnhX05BEdmbvknSkqD4CBQR/WxkXJCQc5m6VUH61uWAu2MPfAsPVFv5BlOT1tDFszZZTZozwcUZBCP5GNO13FYc02K657bq3DzGgjCUy8KYVO1I= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMTAwMDA1NTkyNjEucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 19 May 2023 02:09:50 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (86-42-20-118-dynamic.b-ras1.bdt.dublin.eircom.net [86.42.20.118]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 19 May 2023 02:09:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pztJE-0001CU-0P; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:09:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 07:09:47 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans Message-Id: <20230519070947.ce32ea3b00e7504f81e42c8d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <9b97ee56c9c88a7cdf7b826ff0f21bf88a05b49b.camel@riseup.net> References: <9b97ee56c9c88a7cdf7b826ff0f21bf88a05b49b.camel@riseup.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMxJj0Lsmz3qND X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 19 May 2023 07:59:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Btw. I DIY build my PCs, too I used to, I have pretty much switched to using 'refurbished' ex corporate machines - they tend to be well built, practically silent, cheap and lacking in whizz-bang graphics which I don't need. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Fri May 19 06:24:37 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMxdk0lZhz4BXRQ for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: from mx4.wp.pl (mx4.wp.pl [212.77.101.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMxdh5b5vz3sbn for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=wp.pl header.s=1024a header.b=k9rIMK0E; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ipluta@wp.pl designates 212.77.101.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ipluta@wp.pl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=wp.pl Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 27511 invoked from network); 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wp.pl; s=1024a; t=1684477477; bh=MoMQdaTHEhs5+Kfp2e5xvSJRxaguQHyVd+E7seJA+G8=; h=Subject:To:From; b=k9rIMK0EIRQbqcwQdNnV2z7W0w5Ky8DxQ2VFwpSuRzzmURqVdRGb1LwTzbwbClGpI 0mS5kBMfBG9tJf55NMRM2gRrhBhJkE4juLIHvtXuM5bato3ndvj7rKI6D5SHg1qv+t zpbHcDSo2Jbj6k99/dC2i2/rmUAmQP4BrsGFez0c= Received: from 83.5.186.133.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl (HELO [10.0.0.202]) (ipluta@wp.pl@[83.5.186.133]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP for ; 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 Message-ID: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans To: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List References: Content-Language: pl-PL From: "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-WP-MailID: f99234b5f97abc75dd8d359585abceef X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-WP-SPAM: NO 000000B [EVMU] X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[wp.pl,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[wp.pl:s=1024a]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.77.96.0/19]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.77.101.11:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[wp.pl:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12827, ipnet:212.77.101.0/24, country:PL]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[wp.pl:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.77.101.11:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMxdh5b5vz3sbn X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N W dniu 19.05.2023 o 06:56, Aryeh Friedman pisze: How > do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). > use black insulating tape. If not enough, add more layers. From nobody Fri May 19 06:31:29 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMxny5LMcz4BXb0 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d501000055b21d.caa066a0ab46672e3b2afb82df08a27f@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMxny4SX8z3tQb for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d501000055b21d.caa066a0ab46672e3b2afb82df08a27f@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1684477911; x=1687069911; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=FpDPglg1vhVP8otiOopvvycvpUyVkf8Nqaem9MYTF8U=; b=BU7B+4mMcKIUt61vbLoOFS+1NKIOLemn8nd88HEPR23S/zx8kr3HIjvMXqjADLnBhJ6Y3GhZHRr3olpEKJhxkPMfIffrjTwVGELqe3XM+Tr2NrHSwgLksj3XmF2CsXiOksjuLzr5AAHIbt5bdHCMIrAr04oeE4Hl5WLuLiTDc5A= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMTAwMDA1NWIyMWQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 19 May 2023 02:31:31 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (86-42-20-118-dynamic.b-ras1.bdt.dublin.eircom.net [86.42.20.118]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 19 May 2023 02:31:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1pzteD-0003C7-Au; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:31:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 07:31:29 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" Cc: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans Message-Id: <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMxny4SX8z3tQb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" wrote: > W dniu 19.05.2023 o 06:56, Aryeh Friedman pisze: How > > do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). > > > use black insulating tape. If not enough, add more layers. Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Fri May 19 06:39:07 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMxyS1gx6z4BXt9 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:39:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: from mx3.wp.pl (mx3.wp.pl [212.77.101.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMxyR3mHqz3vjN for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 15545 invoked from network); 19 May 2023 08:39:08 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wp.pl; s=1024a; t=1684478348; bh=6sZnbtoHayH58jkGQgFV8X0mBIVfjbZKBEqbjIqy/W8=; h=Subject:To:Cc:From; b=A28jqV+lJHumtvBCeW58G64t3TIXbHisuPpx9wU/UdouJinz6QPhxI5WiKtSaJDpJ il7ICJPErGx0z8lS7+THLu1bmUkIFqAtE9pT7iRPpHTMtxK6T1Fl8NqmPJgoaX7hQB Di/ZKf7J0l4pStJsiRZjt5Vwj8tGoRkjeFTPRQS4= Received: from 83.5.186.133.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl (HELO [10.0.0.202]) (ipluta@wp.pl@[83.5.186.133]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP for ; 19 May 2023 08:39:08 +0200 Message-ID: <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 08:39:07 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans Content-Language: pl-PL To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> From: "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" In-Reply-To: <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-WP-MailID: 9cbaacc9b5e8f5da4dfc8d9db0f808e5 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-WP-SPAM: NO 000000B [EUMU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMxyR3mHqz3vjN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12827, ipnet:212.77.101.0/24, country:PL]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N W dniu 19.05.2023 o 08:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith pisze: > On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 > "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" wrote: > >> W dniu 19.05.2023 o 06:56, Aryeh Friedman pisze: How >>> do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). >>> >> use black insulating tape. If not enough, add more layers. > Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. > but not safe so close to the electronic stuff. 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If not enough, add more layers. > > Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. > > > but not safe so close to the electronic stuff. Besides not an option in the OP's (me) case since the led's are built into the center cylinder of the fan and thus I would need to find some way to snake the tape through the blades --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Fri May 19 07:05:50 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMyYJ0CTYz4BZlW for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMyYH1j95z40ms for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=hzeKos9W; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMyYF63zkz9tH9 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:05:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684479953; bh=uT1b59FkVA2LWtazKj6/6X6GxUr7YqwN4GF+mZ7qTX0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hzeKos9WVWLYyQbCE0HgSjRUapozOIyJfKeSNzxpsoQAVTTCSCFnDUtcz5VXhuz93 VoVEqjfIdpotH2Zp/0cIDGsS0XX8zt2KpqVCilpWvNw1OZ72gz8ZCJtIXLUJra7OM4 waHIXL5dG5is/mcK0sgsefnPmcY8irQWWi67bWZc= X-Riseup-User-ID: DD50199E1D9171D62E6B69C763A427682FD1A572CD12F9BBF471ADD29F8AB84D Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QMyYF1fNCzFq4b for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 09:05:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMyYH1j95z40ms X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 08:39 +0200, Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl wrote: > W dniu 19.05.2023 o=C2=A008:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith pisze: > > On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 > > "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" wrote: > >=20 > > > W dniu 19.05.2023 o=C2=A006:56, Aryeh Friedman pisze: How > > > > do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to slee= p). > > > >=20 > > > use black insulating tape. If not enough, add more layers. > > Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. > >=20 > but not safe so close to the electronic stuff. >=20 Insulating tape doesn't stick forever, a kind of duct tape probably does, but also does look more disgusting than insulating tape already does. If it's not possible to open the fan housing, then I agree with Dan Mahoney, trying black nail polish in several coats. It might not hold, flake off, but while insulating tape that gets into the fan could damage it, dry, flaked off nail polish will not. Should the nail polish hold, it was also easier to apply and looks better than any kind of tape. Related to tape or polish I can't comment on smoke or burn. I just suspect that this isn't a risk. From nobody Fri May 19 07:27:40 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMz2h1Zx1z4BbGk for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMz2g2bw9z431k for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=n6V5cXxJ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMz2R2GtPzDq7p for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:27:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684481274; bh=vKN8hDyQk8p2Nw8jSHqt2jH5vl+4mntsNgPIG6cXO/8=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=n6V5cXxJxCdTJtIaC/WKTi4cm9eCgUkYtlopCWDdBj8Djp1RBpYVvhhutAOJyL7hE XnJHaW/g7Jel7vO5DYe+q3cu115cai3eOJf2h5waMDTraL5sC0RzVhbyG6gAon6O04 gDRw/942NtJroS9QCJtvs1qWlx0M7hJ6Dsdcazx0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 04680588C282483A66AAA0BFCF1CB155E77A8B8FFFCD73D1BF9EFBFA3DC2D44D Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QMz2Q4thZzJntB for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 09:27:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMz2g2bw9z431k X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 02:48 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > the led's are built into the center cylinder of the fan Paint must not run between the cracks of moving parts and cause drag. There must also be no external imbalance on moving parts due to different thicknesses of paint application, which could lead to vibrations in the fan. The risks are improbable, but not impossible. From nobody Fri May 19 07:40:01 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QMzJk64t2z4BbsC for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMzJk04Xrz44pn for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:40:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=slOJgdPW; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QMzJh50q3z9s9B for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:40:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684482004; bh=RFsB7mJjypVP4oW+p6n4iYvemAJBq0Lz2+ytSuGrvy4=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=slOJgdPWDELTp4ctMBc9+weyFkIQv/Gv5vVt9tOvt8qyUhUH661UoWPJy3XhiOMci ZtRDMJ+jN78YdcrsUyyOKt+HqQNqwWMo4ZbMOdCAhTV4isGT1C6rzw6V5pXSudsxKQ OQ0M8TlUzKpjBxuIofaQBYMoXBG+tsUUkUgU5WHw= X-Riseup-User-ID: A0A8260D3AD5DCFC698F506C16116FBF80558AD583D037C8EE15C5D05A31B90B Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QMzJh0hXmzFq7L for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <919bb21f336a25258a322e37d29d2331be313321.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 09:40:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QMzJk04Xrz44pn X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 02:48 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > the led's are built into the center cylinder of the fan >=20 > Paint must not run between the cracks of moving parts and cause drag. ^^^^^^probably the wrong word, maybe "gaps" is the correct translation. Perhaps "drag" should read "grind". > There must also be no external imbalance on moving parts due to > different thicknesses of paint application, which could lead to > vibrations in the fan. The risks are improbable, but not impossible. 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I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk. ``` [10:27 ~ ]$ df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0p2 899G 269G 558G 33% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev/fd procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc linprocfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /compat/linux/proc linsysfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /compat/linux/sys tmpfs 7.0G 4.0K 7.0G 0% /compat/linux/dev/shm devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /compat/linux/dev fdescfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /compat/linux/dev/fd ``` What is the easiest/best method to migrate? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --00000000000002767805fc070978 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's been years since I ever did this so allow me to p= ost so that I can gather ideas - newer ideas :)

I have a= 1TB disk, with UFS fs.
I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and = retire/repurpose the 1TB disk.

```
[10:2= 7 ~ ]$ df -h
Filesystem =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Size =C2=A0 =C2=A0Used =C2=A0 Avai= l Capacity =C2=A0Mounted on
/dev/ada0p2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0899G =C2=A0 =C2=A02= 69G =C2=A0 =C2=A0558G =C2=A0 =C2=A033% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/
devfs =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2= =A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/dev
fdescfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2= =A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/dev/fd
p= rocfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/proc
linprocfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K = =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/l= inux/proc
linsysfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/linux/sys
tmpfs =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A07.0G =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A07.0G =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 0% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/linux/dev/shm
devfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2= =A0 =C2=A0/compat/linux/dev
fdescfs =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2= =A0 =C2=A01.0K =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00B =C2=A0 100% =C2=A0 =C2=A0/compat/linu= x/dev/fd
```

What is the easiest/bes= t method to migrate?

--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nai= robi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
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Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: Moving to a larger disk Content-Language: en-US To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <25703.26549.49813.771008@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: Tim Daneliuk In-Reply-To: <25703.26549.49813.771008@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (oceanview.tundraware.com [45.55.60.57]); Fri, 19 May 2023 08:21:10 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: 34JDL9YZ058896 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.437, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, NICE_REPLY_A -1.53, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; 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RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[tundra@tundraware.com,93ab.82.c3ab00006e828c.160ac5a7e92e737d4b07be64aa700111@email-od.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN6tk3ZZVz3Lp8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 5/19/23 07:12, Robert Huff wrote: > Odhiambo Washington asks: > >> I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs. >> I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk. > > [deletia] > >> What is the easiest/best method to migrate? > > What I would do: > 1) Put the new disk in an external drive dock. > 2) Format/label the new disk. > 3) Use dump/restore to transfer the contents; check for > integrity. > 4) Unmount the new disk; shutdown computer; swap disks; boot. > > > Anyone got a better plan? > > > Respectfully, > > > Robert Huff I dunno about "better" but I use a somewhat different strategy. It's been a while but it's very roughly this: - Install the new drive by some means - Quiesce all highly active processes like web and db servers - dd if=/dev/old-drive of=/dev/new-drive - Shut down and remove old drive - Reboot from recovery media like a linux repair disk that has 'gparted' on it. - Use gparted to edit and resize (grow only) the relevant partition(s) - Reboot and use 'growfs' to make the full disk size available to the filesystem(s) From nobody Fri May 19 13:22:00 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN6vR54Qmz4Bx61 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.177.82]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN6vQ3qQRz3N2B for ; 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If not enough, add more layers. >=20 > Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. Use nail paint. Use a black one. A minimal layer is enough. 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[209.85.128.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cf30-20020a056902181e00b00ba68a6e547esm1015234ybb.48.2023.05.19.06.32.22 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 May 2023 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-561e5014336so25156957b3.1 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a0d:c547:0:b0:55a:37fd:620b with SMTP id h68-20020a0dc547000000b0055a37fd620bmr1903921ywd.52.1684503142408; Fri, 19 May 2023 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 15:32:11 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from,209.85.128.173:received]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN77D1pRfz3hGG X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 6:56=E2=80=AFAM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I just replaced a crashed machine with a new one (as always DIY built) > and the new one is a good replacement for a VM only host except for > one thing it has all these spinning/blinking colored lights on the > case fans (and the CPU fan). I have searched the BIOS settings to > hell and back and can't find any setting even related to this. How > do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). These "RGB" fancy pancy devices usually have some sort of "RGB CONTROLLER" that is a separate device somewhere where cables come in (unless it is onboard rgb controller). Follow the wires and see if there are some sort of regulators / buttons / knobs that would allow light control :-) On the other hand, these lights can be used to communicate some important events, cpu load, network load, etc, well, if its already out there :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From nobody Fri May 19 13:41:27 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN7Kl67Gdz4BxbX for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx1.blackfoot.net (mx1.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.blackfoot.net", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN7Kl3JSTz3jQD for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from bmfe3.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.163]) by mx1.blackfoot.net ({9cf3d135-7b6e-4041-a57b-61a932741f4e}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20230519134127738_0000; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:41:27 -0600 X-RC-FROM: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.133]) by bmfe3.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0A580F18; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:41:27 -0600 (MDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 06:41:27 -0700 From: vagabond To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans In-Reply-To: <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.11 Message-ID: <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.163/32 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=aItIcOr/hSiiJoGDl8Vw2G/29awssGvucNMRZDz+JeDY8YJRwHu81h5Xx/y11KSoo1PyU/5L1J3+07aoADLCIWGrmJ9n71u9rDZzH9yz11JcsgFTq2AA4xz290/MxI3/1wfbQmqaBzaRh2H5nUy5mU4gh5yyCxY0ptLe48qa4PHgBNeZBhq2RgXxhYhxowQthVbTvEd/59dSGBsPHoPjyPvcJSZ8gF9UsNHkyAAo3cUFCv5OeWnL6s6dc9rqUjh3a4CmQW/DygTqlL0ash9kg5OkxH+Rg8Mg05TgVDoNA7XoAvFcMMftur5nJJKUS3oEa3NlpIEW/3OfpiVx67kQeQ==; s=ew; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blackfoot.net; v=1; bh=kAnQvI49kR8lvIy0kl9ZyU3muWevLTQiyvQrJltWsfc=; h=from:to:message-id; X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN7Kl3JSTz3jQD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:216.14.224.0/19, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 2023-05-19 00:05, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 08:39 +0200, Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl wrote: >> W dniu 19.05.2023 o 08:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith pisze: >> > On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:24:37 +0200 >> > "Ireneusz Pluta/wp.pl" wrote: >> > >> > > W dniu 19.05.2023 o 06:56, Aryeh Friedman pisze: How >> > > > do I turn the damned things off (it is making it impossible to sleep). >> > > > >> > > use black insulating tape. If not enough, add more layers. >> > Copper or aluminium tape is far more effective. >> > >> but not safe so close to the electronic stuff. >> > > Insulating tape doesn't stick forever, a kind of duct tape probably > does, but also does look more disgusting than insulating tape already > does. If it's not possible to open the fan housing, then I agree with > Dan Mahoney, trying black nail polish in several coats. It might not > hold, flake off, but while insulating tape that gets into the fan could > damage it, dry, flaked off nail polish will not. Should the nail polish > hold, it was also easier to apply and looks better than any kind of > tape. Related to tape or polish I can't comment on smoke or burn. I > just > suspect that this isn't a risk. Never tried this, but ... Might drilling out the lights work? You'd have to actually destroy the led, or at least break one of the wires / contacts. Kind of drastic compared to nailpolish, but more permanent... 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> > What I would do: > 1) Put the new disk in an external drive dock. > 2) Format/label the new disk. > 3) Use dump/restore to transfer the contents; check for integrity= . > How do I do #3? --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000736d9005fc0c740c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 3:13=E2=80=AF= PM Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com= > wrote:
= Odhiambo Washington asks:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose = the 1TB disk.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [deletia]

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the easiest/best method to migrate?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What I would do:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1) Put the new disk in an external drive dock.<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2) Format/label the new disk.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3) Use dump/restore to transfer the contents; c= heck for=C2=A0integrity.

How do I do #3= ?



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Best regards,
O= dhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
&= quot;Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep= -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/= =C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-que= stions.html]
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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN8Lh2lDVz3pj1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000001a4bc305fc0cb833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 4:21=E2=80=AFPM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 5/19/23 07:12, Robert Huff wrote: > > Odhiambo Washington asks: > > > >> I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs. > >> I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk. > > > > [deletia] > > > >> What is the easiest/best method to migrate? > > > > What I would do: > > 1) Put the new disk in an external drive dock. > > 2) Format/label the new disk. > > 3) Use dump/restore to transfer the contents; check for > > integrity. > > 4) Unmount the new disk; shutdown computer; swap disks; boot. > > > > > > Anyone got a better plan? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Robert Huff > > > I dunno about "better" but I use a somewhat different strategy. It's bee= n > a while but it's very roughly this: > > - Install the new drive by some means > - Quiesce all highly active processes like web and db servers > - dd if=3D/dev/old-drive of=3D/dev/new-drive > - Shut down and remove old drive > - Reboot from recovery media like a linux repair disk that has 'gparted' > on it. > - Use gparted to edit and resize (grow only) the relevant partition(s) > - Reboot and use 'growfs' to make the full disk size available to the > filesystem(s) > This sounds good and has given me an idea. 1. Get memstick.img and write that to a USB drive. 2. Install FreeBSD to the new disk. 3. Power down, and connect the new disk as a secondary drive. 4. Boot off the memstick and go to single-user mode. Mount the original disk and the new disk mkdir /mnt1 /mnt2 mount /dev/ada1p2 /mnt1 # Ensure this is the 1TB disk mount /dev/ada2p2 /mnt2 # Ensure this is the 2Tb disk 5. Do a dump: /sbin/dump -u -0af - /mnt1 | (cd /mnt2; restore -rf -) If `clone` was available in the base, I would then do: clone -d -y /mnt1 /mnt2 Does anyone see a problem with this approach? --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --0000000000001a4bc305fc0cb833 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 4:21=E2=80=AF= PM Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote:
On 5/19/23 07:12, Robert Huff wrote:
> Odhiambo Washington asks:
>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs.
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repur= pose the 1TB disk.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[deletia]
>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 What is the easiest/best method to migrate?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What I would do:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01) Put the new disk in an external drive doc= k.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02) Format/label the new disk.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03) Use dump/restore to transfer the contents= ; check for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0integrity.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04) Unmount the new disk; shutdown computer; = swap disks; boot.
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyone got a better plan?
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Respectfully,
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Robert Huff


I dunno about "better" but I use a somewhat different strategy.= =C2=A0 It's been
a while but it's very roughly this:

- Install the new drive by some means
- Quiesce all highly active processes like web and db servers
- dd if=3D/dev/old-drive of=3D/dev/new-drive
- Shut down and remove old drive
- Reboot from recovery media like a linux repair disk that has 'gparted= ' on it.
- Use gparted to edit and resize (grow only) the relevant partition(s)
- Reboot and use 'growfs' to make the full disk size available to t= he filesystem(s)

This sounds good and h= as given me an idea.=C2=A0
1. Get=C2=A0memstick.img and write tha= t to a USB drive.
2. Install FreeBSD to the new disk.
3= . Power down, and connect the new disk as a secondary drive.
4. B= oot off the memstick and go to single-user mode. Mount the original disk an= d the new disk
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 mkdir /mnt1 /mnt2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 m= ount /dev/ada1p2 /mnt1=C2=A0 =C2=A0# Ensure this is the 1TB disk
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mount /dev/ada2p2 /mnt2=C2=A0 =C2=A0# Ensure this is the 2Tb = disk
5. Do a dump:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0/sbin/dump -u -0a= f - /mnt1 | (cd /mnt2; restore -rf -)

If `clone` w= as available in the base, I would then do:

clone -= d -y /mnt1 /mnt2

Does anyone see a problem wi= th this approach?

--
Best regards,
Odhiamb= o WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"<= span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v &#= 39;^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF<= /span>=C2=A0:-)
[How to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.= html]
--0000000000001a4bc305fc0cb833-- From nobody Fri May 19 14:59:58 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN94N3xMrz4C2tt for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN94M3rZ9z3rp8 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=lG0vfzPd; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN94L0BZQzDq9M for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:00:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684508402; bh=aEVaxu1M8aPd/ARBtmyt5mbfX4GulmgnvusaFuU52tI=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=lG0vfzPdsOFGuW3GZKuqCLvVtX8N0ye63xIK7tJizchmoeNjj3RkXeUq4UuAc042F tRifuyQSKsSjPM7CmOoRalDrc8lZGgz21ZgkyV2ROEwiTxFwdYZ2jJbhcXC1M5neIi AbJGjyd+juGws8hjj2sZTI3t5Ctu9WIfye4EcJrw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 0D6F89F9D87395669F3FA951A0BF7AFD1C8B82CAD2364AE8E28CD13A42741718 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QN94K35XjzJnJW for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 16:59:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN94M3rZ9z3rp8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 06:41 -0700, vagabond wrote: > Never tried this, but ... > Might drilling out the lights work?=C2=A0 You'd have to actually destroy = the > led, or at least break one of the wires / contacts. > Kind of drastic compared to nailpolish, but more permanent... I like this idea! If the OP has got a drill with a flexible shaft I second your idea, _but_ there is a risk of a short circuit/leakage current which cannot be detected with a multimeter, as the motor should still be connected. Even worse would be an unlikely series connection of RGB LEDs and motor or a chip expecting both LED and motor intact. On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 15:32 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > These "RGB" fancy pancy devices usually have some sort of "RGB > CONTROLLER" that is a separate device somewhere where cables come in Related to the word "usually" Google proves you wrong. Aryeh Friedman seemingly suffers from the worst case + 1 "since the led's are built into the center cylinder of the fan and thus" the OP "would need to find some way to snake the tape through the blades", this wouldn't result in good vibrations, but much likely just vibrations. There is probably a controller inside of the fans housing, but there's nothing outside of the fan's housing. The fans are just connected by the 3 or 4 pin power cables. I guess the situation is like this, Aryeh Friedman decided, before he starts crying, since he already is aware about his worst case + 1 situation, as a last resort to send a request to this list. The workarounds are drastic and risky. The less risky bet is probably nail polish or replacing the fans. I'm crying too because of my new hardware :D. We cannot rule out odd issues when buying new hardware. It's a PITA. From nobody Fri May 19 15:09:47 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN9Hh4Xlpz4C34K for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN9Hg6YF6z3vRb for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=FUFJMuCo; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN9Hf4gTTz9sBh for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:09:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684508990; bh=pgP10dw0VBLc9SyxSa47ZcOPd+HJzEn5Zff/iCoE/kw=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FUFJMuCo8vGfzwIxA+6RN69zwNm3xa6gtetFOcW+JNx45IA3T7vsh+3olj59z3Glo 59zFOgkOmtlFtKax542Ta8Ar/eNBoPZ9XIePNf9FNkd/lJSnLqrRACEbKWs+6C/7Z+ vcXCOQCTECERAYzV6SiDA2wbL05c9XVMRjIZIW/0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 54FF0E464B582A8B5979ABFD29B23EF4EDBCA59F06DEDE7E4F328269C361DC00 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QN9Hf02fmzJq9S for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 17:09:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN9Hg6YF6z3vRb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Do the led's built into the center cylinder spin? Or aren't the spinning? I hope they don't spin! I can just imagine two terrible construction methods and one of them would be totally crap. 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You'd have to actually destroy the > > led, or at least break one of the wires / contacts. > > Kind of drastic compared to nailpolish, but more permanent... > > I like this idea! If the OP has got a drill with a flexible shaft I > second your idea, _but_ there is a risk of a short circuit/leakage > current which cannot be detected with a multimeter, as the motor should > still be connected. Even worse would be an unlikely series connection of > RGB LEDs and motor or a chip expecting both LED and motor intact. I normally have butter fingers to the max (my wife/co-developer did the actual physical work of putting the machine together for these reasons and neither of us remember seeing any short of control). Her immediate comment on the idea of drilling into it was something along the lines of not the smartest idea and one of the dumber ideas we have heard in a long time. > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 15:32 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > These "RGB" fancy pancy devices usually have some sort of "RGB > > CONTROLLER" that is a separate device somewhere where cables come in > > Related to the word "usually" Google proves you wrong. Aryeh Friedman > seemingly suffers from the worst case + 1 "since the led's are built > into the center cylinder of the fan and thus" the OP "would need to find > some way to snake the tape through the blades", this wouldn't result in > good vibrations, but much likely just vibrations. There is probably a > controller inside of the fans housing, but there's nothing outside of > the fan's housing. The fans are just connected by the 3 or 4 pin power > cables. Every time I do a DIY there is also some part or an other that never quite fits/works/etc. since for the first time in the last 15 years (before then it was easier in general) I/we managed to do it with out this or one of us getting cut by something sharp on the case or other such incident I think the RGB fans are this DIY's "we should asked about X". > > I guess the situation is like this, Aryeh Friedman decided, before he > starts crying, since he already is aware about his worst case + 1 > situation, as a last resort to send a request to this list. > > The workarounds are drastic and risky. The less risky bet is probably > nail polish or replacing the fans. > > I'm crying too because of my new hardware :D. We cannot rule out odd > issues when buying new hardware. It's a PITA. The most practical solution we have come with is block the view somehow --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Fri May 19 15:26:40 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QN9gB0t7Bz4C49w for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN9g9270Rz42LJ for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=fG5ZnhYJ; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QN9g74hjXz9sly for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:26:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684510003; bh=WE9K+Gf44R4oAInvSFS7M4RwkAHgmWGMqEYe2R+aMd0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=fG5ZnhYJwfCJaHQdiE2QVUYZP6+UlHDRvA6s6mVjkq/IzKRruw0/ezi8eIR7GaKgx Fynn6FsUiKA/QuF3hZt65fVpxGx7MWxl5hUGjR+OLLnS+44x+07Cgd6g6WxRH73tUz akJ3jlryY+VSFPBJEJmCgK1dWmPEeahZbalKpg0s= X-Riseup-User-ID: C3FBF12E20EC070B78B3A880938BCAFBEA81FA8B9699B3B0C767D02E818EF86D Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QN9g70XyVzFqKp for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 17:26:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QN9g9270Rz42LJ X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 17:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Do the led's built into the center cylinder spin? Or aren't the > spinning? I hope they don't spin! I can just imagine two terrible > construction methods and one of them would be totally crap. Keep in mind, each =E2=82=AC1 shop (1$ shops probably, too) sells LED disco bulbs. To generate light you don't have to screw it into the lamp socket and put it under electricity. You can pick up the crap and spin them with your hands and they will glow like bouncy balls, sneakers and other crap do. No sliders, just dynamos/contactless impedance, no power required just movement, kinetic energy. See all those shuffle dance girls. 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Or aren't the > spinning? I hope they don't spin! I can just imagine two terrible > construction methods and one of them would be totally crap. Since the edges are a little blurry I can't tell for sure but they don't seem to be rotating. --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Fri May 19 15:43:00 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4QNB220H4sz4C576 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QNB210HRPz4500 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=K0rIh34b; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4QNB1z58w8zDqPT for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1684510983; bh=XC6lKsY5VKNUuLm43qX3RdThylJbJY/ZVNYcVNWRgzs=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=K0rIh34bt/++yxncOX2w0B4X2l6e7qZ/QOlTxJde26tLh0ag3Q6JAklbBy75bLjXb qxmIlU/Geu4lt9hAwCyVI6h06e1JNA3706Zaq4gE0wdRXkB8eOCy4HPuIlnnJH0huj ZMRzfHaM18nHCBuEjycYlS+bJn3PqmLWLpDL2g40= X-Riseup-User-ID: B61D1810FB5A65EB66B6BB78EE1EB77C833B32F94EAC990A0F0ED61364390534 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QNB1z0kcQzJntJ for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to disable the lights on modern case fans From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 17:43:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <401c1650-156f-69db-e3f1-40b8c3ab76c5@wp.pl> <20230519073129.128b90176cf28b0ffebad28c@sohara.org> <295e9835-5dbe-3196-4a9c-f4043c86ee60@wp.pl> <01c21572512c33b9059fcb806eb96ef4befb2f2b.camel@riseup.net> <619dc017e6de32aa0e430d3863757a8f@blackfoot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4QNB210HRPz4500 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 11:25 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Her immediate comment on the idea of drilling into it was something along > the lines of not the smartest idea and one of the dumber ideas we have > heard in a long time. If she doesn't have black nail polish at hand, than probably dark read or brown ;). Some of my former girl friends "usually" didn't polish their nails, but still had some nail polish at hand. Let alone that we can buy it in every supermarket. I already bought nail polish as a temporarily replacement for LOCTITE and pantihoses as temporarily replacements for microphones pop protection. 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Would have been, but I decided to mimic fdupes and jdupes, instead. I figured, in order for a scripted language to have any chance against a compiled C-program it would need to make comparatively fewer hash-checks, and for awk specifically, to use awk's array-membership test (if (elem in array)) instead of for-looping over lists of files and performing string-comparisons. I used a mixture of both. Performance is pretty good: $ time dedup_multidirs.sh -V dedup{1..13} DEBUG: 313087 files, 3497 duplicates, 309590 unique, 42848 stat calls # 773723 differences: same filenames, different sizes or hashes real 1m32.719s user 0m50.671s sys 0m44.054s $ du -xs dedup{1..13} | awk '{ sum = sum + $1 } END { print sum }' 219195746 # 200G+ of data What I do is: i) only process files that have more than one name-match in the set of dirs ii) use least-expensive tests first: `stat' to check file inodes and sizes iii) generate and store hashes only after a possible duplicate is found iv) perform file-dir membership tests to abort for-loops early v) keep track of number of per-filename children in each dir to abort early vi) "if A = B, and A = C, then B = C" ie, we report A and B are dups, and A and C are dups, but not B and C; reduces a comparison by one vii) likewise, "if A != B, and A = C, then B != C"; saves a comparison again - if a duplicate is found, the user is prompted to delete the lower-priority dup, determined by order of arguments: highest first, lowest last (dir1 dir2). - if a name-only match is found (different sizes or hashes), it's reported but not deleted. - Safety First: safeguards are turned on by default and must be turned off using options: N = no-dryrun, V = no messages, I = no prompt to delete files, with an optional DEBUG=1 to turn on debugging: DEBUG=1 ./program dir1 dir2 ... - to dedup a single dir, list it twice: ./program dir1 dir1 Resource usage is tiny: each system() call is closed immediately, releasing its resources. Although thousands of `stat' and `xxhash' calls are made, they're made sequentially, and the memory foot-print of the entire run is minimal. During testing, the program used less than 125M of RAM, and disk I/O was tiny. Caveat: it's probably riddled with bugs that my limited testing didn't catch. Limitations: two files with different names are not analyzed, even if their contents are identical: cp -a file1 file2 Probably has limited applicability, but was a fun head-scratcher (to do well). Final caveat: it might not even do what I described here, but it wants to! :P Flame-war starter: would love to see you Perl-fanbois beat those numbers. ;) #!/bin/sh -e # remove or report duplicate files: $0 [-VIN] dir1 dir2 ... dir[n] if [ "X${1%%-*}" = "X" ]; then opts=$1; shift; fi echo "Building files list from: ${@}" find "${@}" -xdev -type f | awk -v opts=$opts -v e=$DEBUG ' BEGIN { stat = "stat -f \"%i %z\" "; rm = "rm -i " if (opts) { split(opts, flags, ""); for (f in flags) o[flags[f]] } if ("V" in o) V = 1; if ("I" in o) rm = "rm -v "; if ("N" in o) N = 1 for (x = 1; x < ARGC; x++) args = args ? args "|" ARGV[x] : ARGV[x] if (ARGV[1] == ARGV[2]) { ch = 2 } else ch = 1; ARGC = 0 } { filename = substr($0, match($0, /[^\/]+$/)) dups[filename, ++files[filename]] = $0 basepath = substr($0, match($0, "(" args ")/?"), RLENGTH) sub("/*$", "/", basepath); hasf[basepath, filename]++ total++ } END { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i]) system("date") print "Comparing files." for (file in files) if (files[file] > ch) for (i = 1; i < x; i++) { if (ARGV[i] SUBSEP file in hasf) for (j = 1; j < files[file]; j++) if (dups[file, j] ~ "^" ARGV[i] && ! 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I interpreted =E2=80=9CIaaS class bhyve managers=E2=80=9D to mean co= mmand-line tools for managing bhyve VMs, that are high-quality enough to us= eful in infrastructure-as-a-service context. Did I misunderstand? Correct... just look in ports --=20 Aryeh M. 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It is possible the volume is off. > > Still no joy? I don't remember how I figured this out but I had to make > entries in /boot/loader.conf. The handbook explains how to do this. It uses device.hints vice loader.conf. I did my setup long ago. > > Good luck, > > Vlad > > It's been so long, I had forgotten I had submitted a bug. FreeBSD Bugzilla – Bug 254200 > but it was closed as a duplicate ofbug 237340 which has been ignored for years.  This is why I stopped using FreeBSD a few years ago. --------------ru00Yw6GevB34M8yTC76C9Vf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 5/16/2023 5:43 PM, Vlad Markov wrote:
On Sun, 14 May 2023 15:16:30=
 +0200
Yuri &=
lt;yuri@aetern.org> wrote:


Steven Friedrich wrote:

On 5/13/23 2:22 PM, Stev=
en Friedrich wrote: =20

I have an HP Slimline =
with a Realtek ALC3601 audio device.=C2=A0 I don't
see any Realtek audio devices in FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Hardware Notes.
Am I out of luck?
=20

There are no pcm devices=
 in /dev, but sndstat says:

cat /dev/sndstat
Installed devices:
pcm0: <Realtek ALC671 (Rear Analog)> (play/rec) default
pcm1: <Realtek ALC671 (Analog)> (play/rec)
pcm2: <Intel Kaby Lake (HDMI/DP 8ch)> (play)
No devices installed from userspace.

Does this mean no sound driver accepted these devices? =20

Devices are called /dev/dsp*, see sound(4) man page (at least the FILES
section).

$ ls /dev/pcm*
zsh: no matches found: /dev/pcm*
$ cat /boot/kernel/kernel > /dev/dsp
(alien sounds)


I don't see any responses so here is my experience.

Yes, a sound driver was found for your devices.

cat someRandomFile > /dsp, should send out some noise.

It may not, in which case check the mixer. /usr/sbin/mixer comes with the=
 system. It is possible the volume is off.

Still no joy? I don't remember how I figured this out but I had to make
entries in /boot/loader.conf. The handbook explains how to do this. It us=
es device.hints vice loader.conf. I did my setup long ago.

Good luck,

Vlad
=20
It's been so long, I had forgotten I had submitted a bug.
FreeBSD Bugzilla =E2=80=93 Bug=C2=A0254200 
 but it was closed as a dupl=
icate of bug 237340=20
which has been ignored for years.=C2=A0 This is why I stopped using FreeBSD a few years ago.

    

  


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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 3:24=E2=80=AFPM Aryeh Friedman  wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 2:22=E2=80=AFPM Pat Maddox  wr=
ote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 19, 2023, at 10:32 AM, Graham Perrin wrote:
> > > On 19/05/2023 16:43, Pat Maddox wrote:
> > >>> You should also note there are at least 2 IaaS class bhyve managers=
 I
> > >>> know of
> > >> What are their names?
> > >>
> > > Fred and Doris.
> >
> > Huh? I interpreted =E2=80=9CIaaS class bhyve managers=E2=80=9D to mean =
command-line tools for managing bhyve VMs, that are high-quality enough to =
useful in infrastructure-as-a-service context. Did I misunderstand?
>
> Correct... just look in ports

If you don't find any that are what you want UI wise (like webapp
frontends) you can always try PetiteCloud... currently until I update
it to remove the -g option it does not work completely out of the box
on anything above 12.4 (I have made some unposted modifications also
so if you want the latest version ask me privately and I will send you
the binaries [currently don't have the sources due to having to deal
with recovering the crashed VM host we had everything on and
discovering our backups are incomplete [good thing it is in java we
just run it through JAD]])



--=20
Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org

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Any luck?

-Dan

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On 5/19/23 00:39, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> It's been years since I ever did this so allow me to post so that I can
> gather ideas - newer ideas :)
> 
> I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs.
> I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk.
> 
> ```
> [10:27 ~ ]$ df -h
> Filesystem     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/ada0p2    899G    269G    558G    33%    /
> devfs          1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev
> fdescfs        1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev/fd
> procfs         4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /proc
> linprocfs      4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/proc
> linsysfs       4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/sys
> tmpfs          7.0G    4.0K    7.0G     0%    /compat/linux/dev/shm
> devfs          1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/dev
> fdescfs        1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/dev/fd
> ```
> 
> What is the easiest/best method to migrate?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)
> [How to ask smart questions:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
> 


What is the purpose of the computer?  What environment(s)?


What is the make, model, and/or part number of your computer?  What CPU? 
  What memory?  What storage devices are installed?  What storage device 
bays and interface ports are available?


Please run the following commands and copy/paste console session into reply:

# freebsd-version ; uname -a

# geom disk list | perl -pe 's/(lunid|ident): (.+)/$1: ********/'

# geom part show -p


Please tell us about your sysadmin and disaster planning -- e.g. version 
control, configuration management, images, backups, archives?  Media?


David


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> Instead of using the write protection sticker in the early days around
> the home computer stone age, I more often tend to use a floppy disk
> perforator to make a single sided floppy disk a two sided writable
> floppy disk.

In France we used to use a tool that was designed for the tickets of
betting on horse races. it makes a nice U shape slot on the edge of the
ticker/floppy:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/45/97/b7/4597b71ea53f9fbb768da8a3d398806f--grand-bazar-adolescence.jpg
-- 

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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 08:28 +0700, Olivier wrote:
> > Instead of using the write protection sticker in the early days
> > around
> > the home computer stone age, I more often tend to use a floppy disk
> > perforator to make a single sided floppy disk a two sided writable
> > floppy disk.
>=20
> In France we used to use a tool that was designed for the tickets of
> betting on horse races. it makes a nice U shape slot on the edge of
> the
> ticker/floppy:
>=20
> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/45/97/b7/4597b71ea53f9fbb768da8a3d398806f--gran=
d-bazar-adolescence.jpg

:D

In order to get closer to the original concern, a friend had the idea of
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Breplacing the resistors in front of the blue LEDs with hi=
gher-
impedance resistors when these were still new territory and glowed far
too brightly. On the other hand, an annoyance of my new hardware is that
the beeper connected to the motherboard is too quiet. Wherever signals
are needed, they have been abolished and replaced with useless shit that
flashes, babbles or annoys people, e.g. by loudly pretending to have a
fat combustion engine or by PC RGB LEDs on fans.

Gene Roddenberry was a prophet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dnh7gqSJq8Vg

The first guess is, that those grotesque sounds were a SiFi filme genre
stylistic device, but actually they were prophecy.

Instead of keeping something useful, like the power-on self-test
signals, for example, we omit those signals and instead get RGB LEDs
that are annoying and don't make any sense.

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Well it is still possible to replace both fan and speaker right?

For $10 you will get really decent fan that will work silently for 10
years. Any type and size you need.

Speaker also can be replaced by piezo buzzer with generator and/or
adding trivial amplitier to the speaker will also do the job :-)

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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 04:46 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> piezo buzzer

I ordered piezo buzzers. Non of those buzzers does the job. If I connect
the build in buzzer of my old computer case to the new mobo, it's loud
enough. If I connect one of the new buzzers to the old mobo, they are
loud enough, but the combination of a new buzzer and the new mobo is a
PITA. "adding trivial amplifier" isn't a sane option.

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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 04:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 04:46 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> > piezo buzzer
>=20
> I ordered piezo buzzers. Non of those buzzers does the job. If I connect
> the build in buzzer of my old computer case to the new mobo, it's loud
> enough. If I connect one of the new buzzers to the old mobo, they are
> loud enough, but the combination of a new buzzer and the new mobo is a
> PITA. "adding trivial amplifier" isn't a sane option.

PS: I managed to get audible POST signals by using a selected buzzer,
but a

sleep 15; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a"; p=
rintf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a"; =
printf "\a"

is barely audible. "sleep 15" because pushing the enter-key is way, way lou=
der than the "click" produced by printf "\a".

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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:23=E2=80=AFPM Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 04:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 04:46 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> > > piezo buzzer
> >
> > I ordered piezo buzzers. Non of those buzzers does the job. If I connec=
t
> > the build in buzzer of my old computer case to the new mobo, it's loud
> > enough. If I connect one of the new buzzers to the old mobo, they are
> > loud enough, but the combination of a new buzzer and the new mobo is a
> > PITA. "adding trivial amplifier" isn't a sane option.
>
> PS: I managed to get audible POST signals by using a selected buzzer,
> but a
>
> sleep 15; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a";=
 printf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"; printf "\a"=
; printf "\a"

Now for the real phone pipe the output of catGPT (not chatGPT) through
the buzzer



--=20
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On 2023-05-19 16:41, Dan Mahoney (Ports) wrote:
> Any luck?

Unfortunately, no
I was going to send the below last night but wanted to try some more 
things.
I did, but haven't gotten much useful info.

On 2023-05-18 16:11, little.analyst892@aceecat.org wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 03:36:52PM -0700, vagabond wrote:

>> ;; res_nquerydomain(ns.dreamchaser.org, dreamchaser.org, 1, 28)
>> ;; res_query(ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, 1, 28)
>> ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, IN, AAAA)
>> ;; res_send()
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 45481
>> ;; flags: rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
>> ;;      ns.dreamchaser.org.dreamchaser.org, type = AAAA, class = IN
>> ;; Querying server (# 1) address = 127.0.0.1
>> ;; new DG socket
>> ;; got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 45481

> Not a complete answer, but all these commands look up the IPv4 address
> (ie. the A record), while the debug output is for the IPv6 (AAAA).

I think that output was too limited; it does issue an AAAA request, and 
that's
the above output.  I may not have had the appropriate debug codes turned 
on to
see the request; there's a bazillion of them and not well documented.

It dawned on me this morning that sendmail shouldn't be doing any IPv6 
stuff at all,
as I have commented out the line:
   dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=IPv6, Family=inet6, Modifiers=O')

However, if I run sendmail like this:
   sendmail -d0.8 -d8.99 -v -L sm-dbg -bD
I see it drilling down to find all the local addresses, including ipv6 
addresses.
If you omit the -d8.99 the output I see is:
           Canonical name: ns.dreamchaser.org
          UUCP nodename: ns.dreamchaser.org
                 a.k.a.: [66.109.141.57]
                 a.k.a.: ns.dreamchaser.org.
                 a.k.a.: ns
                 a.k.a.: [192.168.151.101]
                 a.k.a.: [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]
                 a.k.a.: localhost.dreamchaser.org.
                 a.k.a.: [IPv6:fe80:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]
                 a.k.a.: [127.0.0.1]
so it feels like ipv6 is not really/fully turned off.
I'm kinda at my wits end.  I haven't gotten a good handle on the 
diagnostic code.
I tried turning everything on (or thought that's what I was doing) and 
ran out of memory,
which was a surprise.

Questions:
   Is anyone (besides me) still running only ipv4,
     and if so, would you be willing to start sendmail as:
       sendmail -d0.8 -bD
     (then kill it ^C) and send me the output?
   Can someone running both ipv4 and ipv6 do the same?

I was thinking about trying to turn ipv6 on but I don't have a clue how 
easy that
is to do, and I'm not convinced it would solve the issue.

Another path I'm considering is installing postfix and seeing what it 
thinks, but I'm
going to spend a little more time beating on this first.

Gary


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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:55=E2=80=AFAM David Christensen 
wrote:

> On 5/19/23 00:39, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > It's been years since I ever did this so allow me to post so that I can
> > gather ideas - newer ideas :)
> >
> > I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs.
> > I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk.
> >
> > ```
> > [10:27 ~ ]$ df -h
> > Filesystem     Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > /dev/ada0p2    899G    269G    558G    33%    /
> > devfs          1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev
> > fdescfs        1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev/fd
> > procfs         4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /proc
> > linprocfs      4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/proc
> > linsysfs       4.0K    4.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/sys
> > tmpfs          7.0G    4.0K    7.0G     0%    /compat/linux/dev/shm
> > devfs          1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/dev
> > fdescfs        1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /compat/linux/dev/fd
> > ```
> >
> > What is the easiest/best method to migrate?
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> > Nairobi,KE
> > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
> > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)
> > [How to ask smart questions:
> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
> >
>
>
> What is the purpose of the computer?  What environment(s)?
>
>
> What is the make, model, and/or part number of your computer?  What CPU?
>   What memory?  What storage devices are installed?  What storage device
> bays and interface ports are available?
>
>
> Please run the following commands and copy/paste console session into
> reply:
>
> # freebsd-version ; uname -a
>
> # geom disk list | perl -pe 's/(lunid|ident): (.+)/$1: ********/'
>
> # geom part show -p
>
>
> Please tell us about your sysadmin and disaster planning -- e.g. version
> control, configuration management, images, backups, archives?  Media?
>
>
> David
>

All those questions are relevant to the migration to a larger disk?


--=20
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)
[How to ask smart questions:
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=

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:55=E2=80=AF=
AM David Christensen <dpchr=
ist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
On 5/19/23 00:39, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

> It's been years since I ever did this so allow me to post so that =
I can

> gather ideas - newer ideas :)

> 

> I have a 1TB disk, with UFS fs.

> I'd like to migrate to a 2TB SSD and retire/repurpose the 1TB disk=
.

> 

> ```

> [10:27 ~ ]$ df -h

> Filesystem=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Size=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Used=C2=A0 =C2=A0Avail=
 Capacity=C2=A0 Mounted on

> /dev/ada0p2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 899G=C2=A0 =C2=A0 269G=C2=A0 =C2=A0 558G=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 33%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /

> devfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /dev

> fdescfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /dev/fd

> procfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /proc

> linprocfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /compat/linux/proc

> linsysfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /compat/linux/sys

> tmpfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7.0G=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.0K=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 7.0G=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /compat/linux/dev/shm

> devfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /compat/linux/dev

> fdescfs=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0K=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 0B=C2=A0 =C2=A0100%=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /compat/linux/dev/fd

> ```

> 

> What is the easiest/best method to migrate?

> 

> --

> Best regards,

> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

> Nairobi,KE

> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223

> "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=
=84)_/=C2=AF :-)

> [How to ask smart questions:

> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions=
.html]

> 





What is the purpose of the computer?=C2=A0 What environment(s)?





What is the make, model, and/or part number of your computer?=C2=A0 What CP=
U? 

=C2=A0 What memory?=C2=A0 What storage devices are installed?=C2=A0 What st=
orage device 

bays and interface ports are available?





Please run the following commands and copy/paste console session into reply=
:



# freebsd-version ; uname -a



# geom disk list | perl -pe 's/(lunid|ident): (.+)/$1: ********/'


# geom part show -p





Please tell us about your sysadmin and disaster planning -- e.g. version 
control, configuration management, images, backups, archives?=C2=A0 Media?<=
br>




David

All those questions are relevant =
to the migration to a larger disk?=C2=A0

=

-- 
Best =
regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2=
274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=
=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)<=
/div>
[How to ask smart questions:=C2=
=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/f=
aqs/smart-questions.html]


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The questions are reasonable.=C2=A0

    
Depending on answers, someone might suggest ZFS; and so on. 

    

  
  


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From: Odhiambo Washington 
Date: Sat, 20 May 2023 11:35:53 +0300
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Is there a known solution for this?


--- all ---
Build complete.
Don't forget to run 'make test'.
=3D=3D=3D>  Staging for mod_php82-8.2.6
=3D=3D=3D>   mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so.1=
1 -
found
=3D=3D=3D>   mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/apxs - found
=3D=3D=3D>   Generating temporary packing list
/bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache2=
4
install  -s -m 0644 /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so
 /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
install: /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so: No such
file or directory
*** Error code 71

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_php82
root@gw:/usr/ports/www/mod_php82

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Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-)
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Is there a known solution for this?


--- all ---
Build complete.
Don'=
t forget to run 'make test'.
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0Staging for mod=
_php82-8.2.6
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0 mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/=
local/lib/libcrypto.so.11 - found
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0 mod_php82-8.2.6 d=
epends on file: /usr/local/sbin/apxs - found
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0 Genera=
ting temporary packing list
/bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/=
stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
install =C2=A0-s -m 0644 /usr/ports/www=
/mod_php82/work/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so =C2=A0/usr/ports/www/mod_php82/wor=
k/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
install: /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/wor=
k/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so: No such file or directory
*** Error code 71<=
br>
Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_php82
root@gw:/usr/p=
orts/www/mod_php82

-- 
Best=
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Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 =
2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_=
(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)=

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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:26=E2=80=AFAM Graham Perrin 
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> On 20/05/2023 09:16, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>
> All those questions are relevant to the migration to a larger disk?
>
> The questions are reasonable.
>
> Depending on answers, someone might suggest ZFS; and so on.
>

I did not hint on moving to ZFS. I just need to move from a 1TB to a 2TB
disk.
No intention of changing the FS.




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The questions are reasonable.=C2=A0

    
Depending on answers, someone might suggest ZFS; and so on.

I did not hint on moving to ZFS. I just n=
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No intention of changing th=
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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington 
wrote:

>
> Is there a known solution for this?
>
>
> --- all ---
> Build complete.
> Don't forget to run 'make test'.
> =3D=3D=3D>  Staging for mod_php82-8.2.6
> =3D=3D=3D>   mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcrypto.so=
.11 -
> found
> =3D=3D=3D>   mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/apxs - foun=
d
> =3D=3D=3D>   Generating temporary packing list
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> /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
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o
>  /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
> install: /usr/ports/www/mod_php82/work/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so: No such
> file or directory
> *** Error code 71
>
> Stop.
> make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_php82
> root@gw:/usr/ports/www/mod_php82
>


Building both lang/php82 and www/mod_php82 with ZTS enabled in the config
fixed this!

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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:35=E2=80=
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Is there a known solution f=
or this?


--- all ---
Build complete.<=
br>Don't forget to run 'make test'.
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0Stag=
ing for mod_php82-8.2.6
=3D=3D=3D> =C2=A0 mod_php82-8.2.6 depends on =
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p82-8.2.6 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/apxs - found
=3D=3D=3D> =
=C2=A0 Generating temporary packing list
/bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/www/mo=
d_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
install =C2=A0-s -m 0644 /=
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mod_php82/work/stage/usr/local/libexec/apache24
install: /usr/ports/www/=
mod_php82/work/php-8.2.6/libs/libphp.so: No such file or directory
*** E=
rror code 71

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_php82
r=
oot@gw:/usr/ports/www/mod_php82

Building both lang/php82 and www/mo=
d_php82 with ZTS enabled in the config fixed this!
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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 5:24=E2=80=AFAM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> is barely audible. "sleep 15" because pushing the enter-key is way, way l=
ouder than the "click" produced by printf "\a".

That may have to do something with spkr(4) or mixer (8) or xset(1) ?
Have you tried spkrtest(8) ? :-)

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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 13:24 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> xset(1) ?

Hi,

the tested operating system is an Arch Linux install, since one is on my
old computer and an identical copy of this Arch Linux install is on the
new computer. On the old computer the default beep is an audible beep.
On the new computer the default beep is a very silent click. Both are
using the same settings.

However, I haven't tested xset. Thank you for the pointer. I'm doing it
now.

=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ xset q | grep bell
  bell percent:  50    bell pitch:  400    bell duration:  100
=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ xset b 100 800 500
=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ printf "\a"
=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ printf "\a"
=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ xset q | grep bell
  bell percent:  100    bell pitch:  800    bell duration:  500

=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# xset q | grep bell
  bell percent:  100    bell pitch:  800    bell duration:  500
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# sleep 1; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# sleep 1; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# xset b 100 400 100
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# xset q | grep bell
  bell percent:  100    bell pitch:  400    bell duration:  100
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# sleep 1; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"
=E2=80=A2 root@archlinux /home/rocketmouse=20
# sleep 1; printf "\a"; printf "\a"; printf "\a";printf "\a"

The room's window is open. To hear anything from the PC speaker I have
to knee down to the opened computer case. What ever I do, I only get a
way to silent click noise.

The bell signals played by grub are very silent, but still loud enough
and not just click noises. FWIW if somebody of you should ever be forced
to migrate from your favourite bootloader to grub, too. There's no need
to configure the configs that generate grub.cfg or to learn how to write
those endless cryptic menu entries. Users are still free to write a
simple and clear grub.cfg.

=E2=80=A2 rocketmouse@archlinux ~=20
$ head -30 /boot/grub/grub.cfg
play 1920 440 1 0 1 880 2 0 1 880 1 0 1 440 2
set timeout=3D60
set color_normal=3Dlight-gray/black
set color_highlight=3Dwhite/light-gray
set menu_color_normal=3Dlight-gray/black
set menu_color_highlight=3Dwhite/light-gray
set default=3D"1"
insmod efi_gop

menuentry " -- HAL 9000-m1 ------------------------------------------------=
-----------------" {
        true
}

menuentry "    MemTest86 V10+ Free" {
        search --set=3Droot --no-floppy --fs-uuid 3F5B-F698
        chainloader /EFI/memtest86/memtestx64.efi
}

menuentry " -- Arch Linux -------------------------------------------------=
-----------------" {
        true
}

menuentry "    Arch Linux threadirqs" {
        search --no-floppy --set=3Droot --label m1.archlinux
        linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=3D/dev/disk/by-label/m1.archlinux ro=
 threadirqs ibt=3Doff ipv6.disable=3D1
        initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img /boot/initramfs-linux.img
}

menuentry "    Arch Linux" {
        search --no-floppy --set=3Droot --label m1.archlinux

Regards,
Ralf

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On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 09:45:34PM -0700, vagabond wrote:

> Another path I'm considering is installing postfix and seeing what
> it thinks, but I'm going to spend a little more time beating on this
> first.

Or exim (my cup of tea).

Do you have a particular reason for trying to live without IPv6?

I think it's about time we all switched. My website is only available
over IPv6, for one.

-- 
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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 10:45=E2=80=AFAM Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> I did not hint on moving to ZFS. I just need to move from a 1TB to a 2TB =
disk.
> No intention of changing the FS.

1. Boot off external media cdrom/memstick.
2. Note old disk (i.e. /dev/ada0) and new disk (i.e. /dev/ada1) devices.
3. dd if=3D/dev/olddisk of=3D/dev/newdisk bs=3D100m status=3Dprogress (DO N=
OT
MESS UP OLD DISK AND NEW DISK :-) )
4. Power off the machine. Detach old disk and connect its data wire to
a new disk. New disk is now attached to the same port of the
controller (so it is now i.e. /dev/ada0 as the original one) and
byte-to-byte copy of the old one.
5. Boot the machine and all should work as before.
6. Note that partitions and filesystems may need a resize.

https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks/#disks-growing

"dd" program will make byte-to-byte copy of "if" to "of",
status=3Dprogress will show you the progress so you know what happens,
"bs" sets the data chunk size that is important for usb transfers not
to take forever (if you dump a drive over external usb controller).

If you have broken disk with badsectors "ddrescue" is a nice tool that
will retry on failed transfers and tell you which sectors are broken
and skip them to copy what is possible to copy.

when disk is broken sometimes "badblocks" may help in non-destructive
read-only-mode as drive firmware may rewrite silently broken sectors..
just beware that when disk is really badly broken this tool will kill
the disk in seconds so always try the ddrescue in the first place to
rescue as much as possible.

have fun :-)

--=20
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This utility comes handy in these operations (duplicate / partitions
resize) there is a bootable image available:

https://gparted.org/

-- 
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On 2023-05-20 09:01, little.analyst892@aceecat.org wrote:
> On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 09:45:34PM -0700, vagabond wrote:
> 
>> Another path I'm considering is installing postfix and seeing what
>> it thinks, but I'm going to spend a little more time beating on this
>> first.
> 
> Or exim (my cup of tea).
> 
> Do you have a particular reason for trying to live without IPv6?
> 
> I think it's about time we all switched. My website is only available
> over IPv6, for one.

No particular reason; at one point my ISP did not deal with ipv6.
Path of lest resistance.
Thought maybe I'd manage to die before I had to deal with it :-)

Gary


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I'm going to try installing sendmail from ports, as it's a newer 
version,
and will be easier to poke around in.  But first, a sanity check.
It's been a while since I've needed to build ports; been using pkgs.
When I built the sendmail port, it built 60+ other ports, which I 
assumed
were things already installed in some version for the sendmail that came
with the system.

I "think" pkgs and ports both install libraries in the same place, 
right?

If so, is it likely installing sendmail from ports will break other 
things
installed as packages?  I'm thinking it will install newer versions, but
they should be upward compatible for the other pkgs already installed,
correct?  I remember seeing rumblings on the list about if you install
pkgs, only use pkgs; and if you install from ports, do everything from 
ports.

The existing sendmail doesn't appear to have a lot of dependencies:

$ ldd /usr/sbin/sendmail
/usr/sbin/sendmail:
         libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x80024d000)
         libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800265000)
$ file !$
/usr/sbin/sendmail: symbolic link to mailwrapper
$ which mailwrapper
/usr/sbin/mailwrapper
$ ldd /usr/sbin/mailwrapper
/usr/sbin/mailwrapper:
         libutil.so.9 => /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x80024d000)
         libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800265000)
$ file /usr/sbin/mailwrapper
/usr/sbin/mailwrapper: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 
(FreeBSD), dynamically linked, interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1, for 
FreeBSD 12.4, FreeBSD-style, stripped

So why does the sendmail port build so many other ports?
I don't have the output from the build to refer to; just remember having 
to do
configuration and turn off NLS and DOC on some.

Gary


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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 18:43 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> dd if=3D/dev/olddisk of=3D/dev/newdisk bs=3D100m status=3Dprogress (DO NO=
T
> MESS UP OLD DISK AND NEW DISK :-) )

Hi,

that's why I would use gparted first or what ever supports the wanted
file system and then boot a live media to run cp.

cp -ai /mnt/source/* /mnt/source/.hidden_item_1 /mnt/source/.hidden_item_n/=
 /mnt/target/; echo $?

https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?cp
Seemingly cp on FreeBSD doesn't support the Linux -T option. I'm not a
FreeBSD expert and might be missing something. It at least might be
possible to work around the globbing issue by an option of the used
shell. Maybe it makes a difference, if at the end of a directory is or
isn't a /.

If the file system should be supported by Linux I would run a Linux live me=
dia and run

cp -Tai /mnt/source/ /mnt/target/; echo $?

https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/cp.1.html

After that I would shut down the machine and boot the live media again, to =
clear the caches, before running

diff -r /mnt/source /mnt/target > diff.log

https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Ddiff&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0&ma=
npath=3DFreeBSD+13.2-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=3Ddefault&format=3Dhtml
I don't know how FreeBSD diff treats symbolic links.

>From a Linux live media I would run

diff -r --no-dereference /mnt/source/ /mnt/target/ > diff.log

The differences might be "special character files", "sockets" etc.
nothing that matters, so you can grep through the log file to see if
really something is broken, or all differences are quasi false
positives.

Regards,
Ralf

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On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 20:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> diff -r --no-dereference /mnt/source/ /mnt/target/ > diff.log

I forgot to post the man page link
https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/diff.1.html


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On Sat, 20 May 2023 10:03:12 -0700
vagabond  wrote:

> I'm going to try installing sendmail from ports, as it's a newer 
> version,
> and will be easier to poke around in.  But first, a sanity check.
> It's been a while since I've needed to build ports; been using pkgs.
> When I built the sendmail port, it built 60+ other ports, which I 
> assumed
> were things already installed in some version for the sendmail that came
> with the system.
> 
> I "think" pkgs and ports both install libraries in the same place, 
> right?

	Correct - packages are built from ports and the port install
essentially builds a package and installs it - it just leaves out the
packing into a tarball and unpacking again.

> If so, is it likely installing sendmail from ports will break other 
> things
> installed as packages?

	That depends on whether your ports tree is in sync with the
packages you are using. It probably isn't.

	There is a handy target in the ports build that you can use so that
you only build the ports you really want/need to build and take everything
else from packages.

	make install-missing-packages
	make
	make install
	make clean

	Will install all the dependencies from packages and then build the
port against them. Once done prevent package updates from ruining your day
with:

	pkg lock 

> I'm thinking it will install newer versions, but
> they should be upward compatible for the other pkgs already installed,
> correct?

	It could get messy - not everyone maintains backward compatibility
well and there's always the risk of a major version bump in something.

> I remember seeing rumblings on the list about if you install
> pkgs, only use pkgs; and if you install from ports, do everything from 
> ports.

	That's generally good advice but the technique above is a good one
for safely bringing the occasional port into a package based system. On the
long run you do tend to need to pkg unlock it and build a new one from time
to time (major FreeBSD version bumps if nothing else).

	Some of the dependencies the port installs are probably build
dependencies.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith 

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I did not keep the bootloader in mind. If the drive contains a boot
loader, than by going the format, cp and diff route a last step would be
installing the bootloader.


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> ----------------------------------------
> From: Sysadmin Lists 
> Date: May 19, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Tool to compare directories and delete duplicate files from one directory
> 
> 
> Performance is pretty good:
> $ time dedup_multidirs.sh -V dedup{1..13}
> DEBUG: 313087 files, 3497 duplicates, 309590 unique, 42848 stat calls
>      # 773723 differences: same filenames, different sizes or hashes
> 
> real    1m32.719s
> user    0m50.671s
> sys     0m44.054s
> 
> $ du -xs dedup{1..13} | awk '{ sum = sum + $1 } END { print sum }'
> 219195746  # 200G+ of data

Found a bug; shaved 10-seconds:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

diff --git a/dedup_multidirs.sh b/dedup_multidirs.sh
index 8563d49..86c5f07 100755
--- a/dedup_multidirs.sh
+++ b/dedup_multidirs.sh
@@ -48,8 +48,8 @@ END   { for (i in ARGV) sub("/*$", "/", ARGV[i])
                                                      processed[d]
                                                      hits++ }
                                                  else act("diff")
-                                                 if (c++ == hasf[ARGV[k], file])
-                                                     break
+                                                 if (++c == hasf[ARGV[k], file])
+                                                     { c = 0; break }
                                  }   }   }   }
                                  if (e) debug(3)
                                  processed[dups[file, j]]; delete dups[file, j]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a sanity-check, I checked to see how much time it would take to merely store
every encountered file, grouped by filename. It's so slow:

total files: 14347

real    1m37.176s
user    1m36.823s
sys     0m0.212s

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    { files[$0] = substr($0, match($0, /[^\/]+$/)); tfiles++ }
END { for (f in files)
          if (f in processed == 0) {
              processed[f]; dups[f]; hits[files[f]]++
              for (s in files) {
                  if (f != s && s in processed == 0)
                      if (s ~ "/" files[f] "$") {
                          processed[s]; dups[s]; hits[files[f]]++
                      }
              }
              compare(dups)
              for (f in dups) { delete dups[f]; delete files[f] }
          }
          for (h in hits) printf("%6d %s\n", hits[h], h) | "sort"
          close("sort")
          print "total files:", tfiles
    }
function compare(array,  f) {
        for (f in array) { } # do nothing
}


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