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On Debian I see several packages. > > If not a Debian package, can you give me links to the Python setup? > > Thanks, > > -Tom > Hi Tom, I am using the virtualenv method detailed here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst= all And I use that on ALL OSes - Debian, FreeBSD, etc. At one point I even did it on OpenBSD running in a VM. It's the most painless installation method you can ever have. Using packages (Linux) or ports (FreeBSD) are painful and prone to breakage= ! --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --00000000000004f22e0601af7610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 8:13=E2=80=AF= PM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 08:32 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 2:26=E2=80=AFPM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> = wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 02:36 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>>
>>> Mailman3 is a very good choice, if you ask me.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you need help with setup.
...

> I found Sympa more complicated than Mailman3, but that's just me.<= br> > I considered using it when I had to move from Mailman2.x to Mailman3.x= . During that time, Mailman3.x was quite a behemoth to setup, but not anymo= re.
>
> If you need peace of mind, go with Mailman3.
> Mailman3 can be set up in a Python virtual environment so you do not n= eed to bother with the FreeBSD ports.

Which Mailman 3 setup are you using? On Debian I see several packages.

If not a Debian package, can you give me links to the Python setup?

Thanks,

-Tom

Hi Tom,

= I am using the virtualenv method detailed here:=C2=A0https:= //docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install
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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RDq024qnxz3K7N X-Spamd-Bar: --- --000000000000412f700601c2feb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AFPM Tom Browder = wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 02:42 Odhiambo Washington > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > I am using the virtualenv method detailed here: > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-in= stall > > And I use that on ALL OSes - Debian, FreeBSD, etc. At one point I even > did it on OpenBSD running in a VM. > > It's the most painless installation method you can ever have. > > Using packages (Linux) or ports (FreeBSD) are painful and prone to > breakage! > > Thanks so much, Odhiambo, looks like a good recipe! > > In return, I offer you a great language in place of Python: Raku > (formerly Perl 6). I think > you will like it, and I think it is much easier for new coders to > learn. Check it out > here: . > > [Bias alert and shameless plug: I have been using Perl since 1993 and > then Raku since 2015. I am a core > developer for Raku, and I have published over 40 OpenSource Raku > modules. Enter my Github and IRC > handle 'tbrowder' to see the list at .] > > Best regards, > > -Tom > Heheee. Now I see the reason for the bias towards Sympa :-) I have never heard of Raku - until today. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000412f700601c2feb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AF= PM Tom Browder <tom.browder@gma= il.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 02:42 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > Hi Tom,
> I am using the virtualenv method detailed here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/= virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install
> And I use that on ALL OSes - Debian, FreeBSD, etc. At one point I even= did it on OpenBSD running in a VM.
> It's the most painless installation method you can ever have.
> Using packages (Linux) or ports (FreeBSD) are painful and prone to bre= akage!

Thanks so much, Odhiambo, looks like a good recipe!

In return, I offer you a great language in place of Python: Raku
(formerly Perl 6). I think
you will like it, and I think it is much easier for new coders to
learn. Check it out
here: <https://Raku.org>.

[Bias alert and shameless plug: I have been using Perl since 1993 and
then Raku since 2015. I am a core
developer for Raku, and I have published over 40 OpenSource Raku
modules. Enter my Github and IRC
handle 'tbrowder' to see the list at <https://Raku.land>.]

Best regards,

-Tom

Heheee. Now I see the reason for the bias= towards Sympa :-)

I have never heard of Raku - until to= day.

--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 = 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, = the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
[How to ask = smart questions:=C2=A0http://= www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
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I think you will like it, and I think it is much > easier for new coders to learn. Check it out here: > . Lazy (and OT) question: how does Raku deal with the challenge of managing module dependencies, and in particular native code dependencies -- which in Python led to the slowly developing horror story of setuptools / pip / venv / poetry / conda / ... ? -- Ian From nobody Tue Aug 1 12:08:47 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RFYt81pRhz4q7kG for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 12:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.browder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RFYt23rCqz3tYH for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 12:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.browder@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20221208 header.b=jMQ+HEK1; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tom.browder@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tom.browder@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-44768034962so1410888137.3 for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2023 05:13:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1690892009; x=1691496809; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yI5lB8SRyoki1FfRnrO4/9jIvpVUcooTpSrCo9Yh0JU=; b=jMQ+HEK1UJ3otrzsSYpY6M+O+XyEM4OdnNCn4S6YYKOnn1DmMjzyimQxpi6QSt6RIT hAU0y7Qflm0RlNpFtCGPAZlDdqtNTJTh5cIa3rxh2fPsBvQ7chp0Lwn6zKnRsjnfaO0D byc2iZbzxkualauXUOaPMKf9zPj9W3I+AUDK5LgpWI9wUDkv45LY0ajhuyTjRqooyOtD nlJnCQ2555UVG2LZjDqwE1MQZGcIovA9nJi6AruEavqK78CJxbyPgUEOsGrp3XxQ06sT C4wwBXX7D5xHLYt3OT20OPGb08loK5ZxzHAdPov4knE/EKEPbLjAbuBLIW70ER4MVM6w KlCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690892009; x=1691496809; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=yI5lB8SRyoki1FfRnrO4/9jIvpVUcooTpSrCo9Yh0JU=; b=BOdbiXSSpFpRz26fmR3bX8pljWeGX32YaSDT27I549yyN4LbpiK/fG+uBJyvNt40yv BV6grGKCkRkNpWlA9+Gk5ljjU4xRcu8ghxPS5wuw9mTHZTruOP7lbed/61Sv+1h4THGl ccWBZS+63KKc53YqCHZRM3inMxffaB/jwruuq5r7MGA3/BvVH36Ivu//hKp5T8NC04M1 EI3qJFHif46MNdQiD3TKPEHu7nPpkgdLkY5fJBoEfaTEEmyhXtoWT1vFISk+HQmMcrRo jDRiVcXsXhQMVFtz6O6xmZyYCoY8DPFiriz27mQHzBrx/a7uu7QuHGX0PL8XJPrlRLbF LMag== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLbEmLDWUUYfwPAf3+cjP7+O6lRrDhUrs770G/+GKd6EDHO4/imM aRpRBe/Vs0wKCgiiWp499XXTA7HJYirHLGxn+vPAZ9Bb X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlHaxEj8p97nbK5I/7yhJGOvN//+67N5lZD1UfrOV6djxK7jHL9yvv7JUO31jmjAmBWpHtaBf6Y4NnIcXGIZb9o= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:284b:b0:447:54ff:388 with SMTP id az11-20020a056102284b00b0044754ff0388mr1452571vsb.23.1690892008451; Tue, 01 Aug 2023 05:13:28 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tom Browder Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 07:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Raku [Was: sympa mailing list manager] To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: perl6-users Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008475fd0601db79ba" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.56 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.947]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.941]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.68)[-0.677]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RFYt23rCqz3tYH X-Spamd-Bar: --- --0000000000008475fd0601db79ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 01:29 wrote: > Tom: > > > In return, I offer you a great language in place of Python: Raku > > (formerly Perl 6). I think you will like it, and I think it is much > > easier for new coders to learn. Check it out here: > > . > > Lazy (and OT) question: how does Raku deal with the challenge of > managing module dependencies, and in particular native code > dependencies -- which in Python led to the slowly developing horror > story of setuptools / pip / venv / poetry / conda / ... That is a great question, and I can give you a layman's take on it. (I have CC'd one of our email lists, IRC #raku and sister channels are where most interaction occurs these days). In no special order: We have a powerful module management program, 'zef', which drives the module installation, removal, search, and other associated actions. Upon request for installation, its default action is to go completely through the dependency chain and download (if it's not installed), test, and install each required module. We now have our own published-module archiving system, 'Fez' (which we moved to from Perl's CPAN), which provides much more security and less possibility of malicious actors creating evil in the archive. We have a new public location to search for modules at https://raku.land>. We have a system of published module requirements encapsulated in a special JSON file which interacts with the zef installer. The mainainers of the major Raku executive program (called Rakudo) regularly run a series of tests of the most recently published executive on amost all of the known public modules. Our core team tries to publish an updated version of Raku monthly, and those releases are numbered by year and month, e.g., the next release will be 2023.08. Raku major versions follow Larry Wall's initial release scheme which started the first stable release at 6.c on Christmas Day of 2015. The current release is 6.d with release 6.e in the wings to be released next. Please visit IRC channels #raku, #raku-beginner, and #raku-dev for helpful and friendy people. See docs at . Visit the Raku home at . Also see for downloading and installing the executive program. Most of the module authors develop on Github.com. The two core developent sites are and . Keeping native code running on the three major OSs (Linux, MacOS, and Windows) is tough. The core team manages to keep the executive and its basic tests running on those systems, but, speaking for my modules, Windows support is shaky. I've been babbling too long here, but I do love Raku. I have tried Python early on (and was paid for it), but for a C-style language programmer, Python's whitespace style is too freakish (plus trying to learn the list of required modules to start anything is a pain). Best regards, -Tom P.S. Raku is a HUGE language built-in-wise (for example, there are over 100 oerators). A beginner will probably go a long while before he or she ever has to "use" any modules at all. --0000000000008475fd0601db79ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 01:29 <little.analyst892@aceecat.org> wrote:
Tom:

> In return, I offer you a great language in place of Python: Raku
> (formerly Perl 6). I think you will like it, and I think it is much > easier for new coders to learn. Check it out here:
> <= https://Raku.org>.

Lazy (and OT) question: how does Raku deal with the challenge of
managing module dependencies, and in particular native code
dependencies -- which in Python led to the slowly developing horror
story of setuptools / pip / venv / poetry / conda / ...

That is a great question, and I can = give you a layman's take on it. (I have =C2=A0CC'd one of our email= lists, IRC #raku and sister channels are where most interaction occurs the= se=C2=A0days). In no special order:

We have a powerful module management program, 'zef', wh= ich drives the module installation, removal, search, and other associated a= ctions. Upon request for installation, its default action is to go complete= ly through the dependency chain and download (if it's not installed), t= est, and install each required module.=C2=A0

We now have our own published-module archiving system,= 'Fez' =C2=A0(which we moved to from Perl's CPAN), which provid= es much more security and less possibility of malicious actors creating evi= l in the archive.

We hav= e a new public location to search for modules at https://raku.land>.

We have a system of published module requirements encapsulated in a = special JSON file which interacts with the zef installer.

The mainainers of the major Raku executiv= e program (called Rakudo) regularly run a series of tests of the most recen= tly published executive on amost all of the known public modules.

Our core team tries to publish an= updated version of Raku monthly, and those releases are numbered by year a= nd month, e.g., the next release will be 2023.08.
Raku major versions follow Larry Wall's initi= al release scheme which started the first stable release at 6.c on Christma= s Day of 2015. The current release is 6.d with release 6.e in the wings to = be released next.

Please= visit IRC channels #raku, #raku-beginner, and #raku-dev for helpful and fr= iendy people. See docs at <https://doc= s.raku.org>. Visit the Raku home at <https://raku.org>. Also see <http= s://rakudo.org> for downloading and installing the executive program= .

Most of the module aut= hors develop on Github.com. The two core developent sites are <https://github.com/raku> and <https://github.com/rakudo>.

Keeping native code running on t= he three major OSs (Linux, MacOS, and Windows) is tough. The core team mana= ges to keep the executive and its basic tests running on those systems, but= , speaking for my modules, Windows support is shaky.

I've been babbling too long here, but I do= love Raku. I have tried Python early on (and was paid for it), but for a C= -style language programmer, Python's whitespace style is too freakish (= plus trying to learn the list of required modules to start anything is a pa= in).

Best regards,
=

-Tom
<= br>
P.S. Raku is a HUGE language built-in-wise (for = example, there are over 100 oerators). A beginner will probably go a long w= hile before he or she ever has to "use" any modules at all.
=

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To: Joerg Pulz Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000abde550601e654d4" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.72 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.884]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.836]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::133:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RFv6k38Fgz3rLv X-Spamd-Bar: -- --000000000000abde550601e654d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joerg, Sorry it took me a few days to get back to you and the list. Thank you for answering the questions I asked. It required a firmware upgrade that had previously caused problems with VMWare's ESXi. The fact that someone was using the adapters, despite not a lot mentioned over the last few years during my Google search, meant I wasn't wasting my time chasing a problem that had no solution. Mentioning the card should be using the onboard firmware pointed me in the right direction. Everything appears to be working now. The only open issue I have is making sure that the multi-path is working when I get the machine moved to the production network. -Brian On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:40=E2=80=AFAM Joerg Pulz = wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2023, Brian McGovern wrote: > > > >> I'm curious if anyone has this working, and if so, any chance I can > >>> obtain the firmware or process you are using? I'm hoping its somethin= g > >>> like flashing an image to the card with some other OS first. TIA > > > >> Support for this (and some other newer HBAs) was added recently to > >> 14-CURRENT, see latest commits in > >> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/sys/dev/isp > > . > > > > Its getting late locally, so take this with a grain of salt... I'm pret= ty > > sure I grabbed the main branch from git, and effectively did a MFC > (working > > with 13.2-RELEASE). Looking at the diffs you pointed me to vs. whats on > the > > disk, it looks like I have the latest bits, but I'll check it again > > tomorrow to be sure. Its possible I'm missing something. > > > > The problem is consistent. When the adapters try to come up, and I'm > using > > them as kernel modules right now just so I can cycle through testing > > faster, I continue to get > > > > "isp_2700 could not load firmware image, error 2" > > > > if I don't hack up the ispfw driver/module to have something that meets > the > > name requirements for "isp_2700" firmware. > > > > and if I try to create a firmware module it can install with the > > bk014519.bin firmware file, it'll happily find something for firmware, > but > > then throws a: > > isp0: Mailbox Command (0xb) Timeout (100000us) (isp_reset:373) > > isp0: Mailbox Command 'LOAD RISC RAM' failed (TIMEOUT) > > isp0: F/W download failed > > isp0: isp_reinit: cannot reset card > > device_attach: isp0 attach returned 6 > > > > So, what I think is missing is either a.) finding a good firmware image > > that I can load via the driver, or b.) figuring out how to flash firmwa= re > > to the adapter via some other means, and figure out how to skip the loa= d > > step when the driver starts. Hence why I'm hoping to find someone who h= as > > the card working, so I can clone their process. > > > > But, if anyone has other ideas, I'm all ears. > > > > -Brian > > > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 8:55?PM Yuri wrote: > > > >> Brian McGovern wrote: > >>> Quick question about the isp and card support. I have an HPE branded > >>> Qlogic ISP 2722 that I'm trying to bring online. Following the variou= s > >>> tutorials I loaded ispfw, then the isp driver. I got an error message > >>> "isp_2700 could not load firmware image, error 2". The boards don't > come > >>> online. > >>> > >>> Looking at the man page, it appears supported on the Qlogic > >>> 2740/2742/2764 (aka 2722/2714) line, so I tried to chase down some > >>> firmware and duplicate the isp_2400 and isp_2500 functionality with t= he > >>> .bin file. Now, it tries to load but I get a firmware loading failure= . > >>> I'm assuming that either current versions and .bin files are > >>> incompatible with the other loading processes, or I just screwed > >>> something up in all the translation (I found a bk014519.bin file). > >>> > >>> I'm curious if anyone has this working, and if so, any chance I can > >>> obtain the firmware or process you are using? I'm hoping its somethin= g > >>> like flashing an image to the card with some other OS first. TIA > >> > >> Support for this (and some other newer HBAs) was added recently to > >> 14-CURRENT, see latest commits in > >> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/sys/dev/isp. > > Those HBAs are supported since 2018-02-28. > So support for them is in 13.2 - I have systems running with those: > > # uname -r > 13.2-RELEASE > > # dmesg -a |grep isp > isp0: mem > 0x93302000-0x93302fff,0x93300000-0x93301fff,0x93200000-0x932fffff at devi= ce > 0.0 on pci1 > > # sysctl dev.isp.0 > dev.isp.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=3D0x1077 device=3D0x2261 subvendor=3D0x1077 > subdevice=3D0x029b class=3D0x0c0400 > dev.isp.0.%driver: isp > dev.isp.0.%desc: Qlogic ISP 2722 PCI FC Adapter > > Recent changes in CURRENT are for the next gen HABs (28XX) and FLT/NVRAM > handling, so no need to backport anything. > > There is no firmware for those HBAs included in ispfw(4) and there is no > need for it. > You should not try to simply add firmware to ispfw(4) without knowing how > the driver has to load it into the HBA. > > The isp(4) driver checks for firmware availability by itself. For your > HBA the firmware is loaded by isp(4) from the HBAs flash. > If this is not working than the firmware on your HBAs flash may be broken > and should be reflashed. > > Without further information it is hard to guess what's happening. > You should: > - revert everything to a clean 13.2-RELEASE > - provide verbose pciconf(8) output for your HBA > - set isp(4) debug level using kenv(8) > # kenv hint.isp.0.debug=3D0x3f > - load isp(4) > # kldload isp > - provide dmesg(8) output for isp(4) load/attach > > Joerg > > -- > The beginning is the most important part of the work. > -Plato --000000000000abde550601e654d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joerg,
=C2=A0 Sorry it took me a few days t= o get back to you and the list. Thank you for answering the questions I ask= ed. It required a firmware upgrade that had previously caused problems with= VMWare's ESXi.

=C2=A0 The fact that someone w= as using the adapters, despite not a lot mentioned over the last few years = during my Google search, meant I wasn't wasting my time chasing a probl= em that had no solution. Mentioning the card should be using the onboard fi= rmware pointed me in the right direction.

=C2= =A0 Everything appears to be working now. The only open issue I have is mak= ing sure that the multi-path is working when I get the machine moved to the= production network.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Bri= an

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 5:40=E2=80=AFAM Joerg Pulz <Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 202= 3, Brian McGovern wrote:

> >> I'm curious if anyone has this working, and if so, any ch= ance I can
>>> obtain the firmware or process you are using? I'm hoping i= ts something
>>> like flashing an image to the card with some other OS first. T= IA
>
>> Support for this (and some other newer HBAs) was added recently to=
>> 14-CURRENT, see latest commits in
>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/sys/dev/isp
> <https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/sys/dev/isp>.
>
> Its getting late locally, so take this with a grain of salt... I'm= pretty
> sure I grabbed the main branch from git, and effectively did a MFC (wo= rking
> with 13.2-RELEASE). Looking at the diffs you pointed me to vs. whats o= n the
> disk, it looks like I have the latest bits, but I'll check it agai= n
> tomorrow to be sure. Its possible I'm missing something.
>
> The problem is consistent. When the adapters try to come up, and I'= ;m using
> them as kernel modules right now just so I can cycle through testing > faster, I continue to get
>
> "isp_2700 could not load firmware image, error 2"
>
> if I don't hack up the ispfw driver/module to have something that = meets the
> name requirements for "isp_2700" firmware.
>
> and if I try to create a firmware module it can install with the
> bk014519.bin firmware file, it'll happily find something for firmw= are, but
> then throws a:
> isp0: Mailbox Command (0xb) Timeout (100000us) (isp_reset:373)
> isp0: Mailbox Command 'LOAD RISC RAM' failed (TIMEOUT)
> isp0: F/W download failed
> isp0: isp_reinit: cannot reset card
> device_attach: isp0 attach returned 6
>
> So, what I think is missing is either a.) finding a good firmware imag= e
> that I can load via the driver, or b.) figuring out how to flash firmw= are
> to the adapter via some other means, and figure out how to skip the lo= ad
> step when the driver starts. Hence why I'm hoping to find someone = who has
> the card working, so I can clone their process.
>
> But, if anyone has other ideas, I'm all ears.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Brian
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 8:55?PM Yuri <yuri@aetern.org> wrote:
>
>> Brian McGovern wrote:
>>> Quick question about the isp and card support. I have an HPE b= randed
>>> Qlogic ISP 2722 that I'm trying to bring online. Following= the various
>>> tutorials I loaded ispfw, then the isp driver. I got an error = message
>>> "isp_2700 could not load firmware image, error 2". T= he boards don't come
>>> online.
>>>
>>> Looking at the man page, it appears supported on the Qlogic >>> 2740/2742/2764 (aka 2722/2714) line, so I tried to chase down = some
>>> firmware and duplicate the isp_2400 and isp_2500 functionality= with the
>>> .bin file. Now, it tries to load but I get a firmware loading = failure.
>>> I'm assuming that either current versions and .bin files a= re
>>> incompatible with the other loading processes, or I just screw= ed
>>> something up in all the translation (I found a bk014519.bin fi= le).
>>>
>>> I'm curious if anyone has this working, and if so, any cha= nce I can
>>> obtain the firmware or process you are using? I'm hoping i= ts something
>>> like flashing an image to the card with some other OS first. T= IA
>>
>> Support for this (and some other newer HBAs) was added recently to=
>> 14-CURRENT, see latest commits in
>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/sys/dev/isp.

Those HBAs are supported since 2018-02-28.
So support for them is in 13.2 - I have systems running with those:

# uname -r
13.2-RELEASE

# dmesg -a |grep isp
isp0: <Qlogic ISP 2722 PCI FC Adapter> mem 0x93302000-0x93302fff,0x93= 300000-0x93301fff,0x93200000-0x932fffff at device 0.0 on pci1

# sysctl dev.isp.0
dev.isp.0.%pnpinfo: vendor=3D0x1077 device=3D0x2261 subvendor=3D0x1077 subd= evice=3D0x029b class=3D0x0c0400
dev.isp.0.%driver: isp
dev.isp.0.%desc: Qlogic ISP 2722 PCI FC Adapter

Recent changes in CURRENT are for the next gen HABs (28XX) and FLT/NVRAM handling, so no need to backport anything.

There is no firmware for those HBAs included in ispfw(4) and there is no need for it.
You should not try to simply add firmware to ispfw(4) without knowing how <= br> the driver has to load it into the HBA.

The isp(4) driver checks for firmware availability by itself. For your
HBA the firmware is loaded by isp(4) from the HBAs flash.
If this is not working than the firmware on your HBAs flash may be broken <= br> and should be reflashed.

Without further information it is hard to guess what's happening.
You should:
- revert everything to a clean 13.2-RELEASE
- provide verbose pciconf(8) output for your HBA
- set isp(4) debug level using kenv(8)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0# kenv hint.isp.0.debug=3D0x3f
- load isp(4)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0# kldload isp
- provide dmesg(8) output for isp(4) load/attach

Joerg

--
The beginning is the most important part of the work.
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Soulier" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, net@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.57 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.572]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20221208]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,net@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RGq9K4ZtTz3dCx tcpdump -i em0 & tcpdump -i em1 & tcpdump -em2 And so on. 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On 28/06/2023 18:21, Peter Ludikovsky wrote:
F= rom https://lists.freebsd.org/ :

> freebsd-questions=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 User questions

You might want freebsd-chat for general discussions of non-technical topics.

From the same page:

> Non technical items related to the community

The original link, which did interest me, (thank you, David) di= d have a technical slant (open source), however it was not directly related to FreeBSD or the FreeBSD community.

Numbers at <https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-= chat/> suggest that there's close to zero interest in anything.

Re: <https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels>, #freebsd-social is notionally for off-topic/socialising, however when I was last there it was frequently used for technical discussions that should have been better in other areas. Technical knowledge shared there is lost.

The lobby at <https://discord.com/channels/72= 7023752348434432/727023752348434436> is social, added benefits (not seen with IRC) include threading. So it can be easier to find the social chat without the technical non-social chat. People do choose to take themselves away from the lobby, to more appropriate channels =E2=80=93 please see, for examp= le, this screenshot that can't be attached because (contrary to the rules expressed in the FreeBSD Handbook) some emails are never delivered.

FreeBSD via <https://matrix.to/#/#FreeBSD:matrix.org= > is more open, and Matrix/Element threading is debatably superior to Discord threading, however there's encouragement to keep things on topic (to FreeBSD) in this FreeBSD room.=C2=A0

<https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/pull= /187> was drafted to update Community and Support menus and content.

Last but not least, you can discuss anything related to free, libre and open source software in FOSS Lovers=E2=9D=A4

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I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40: traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets  1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms 0.301 ms  0.215 ms  2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms  3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms  4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms  5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0) 42.751 ms *  6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5) 43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms  7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms 203.209 ms  8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms  9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms 209.830 ms 10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state. Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine. Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe? Mark. --------------hcEWOxq08M1vBf7nBD0nqB35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all.

I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40:

traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org
traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets
 1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms  0.301 ms  0.215 ms
 2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms
 3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms
 4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms
 5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  42.751 ms *
 6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5)  43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms
 7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms  203.209 ms
 8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms
 9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms  209.830 ms
10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms

NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state.

Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine.

Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe?

Mark.
 --------------hcEWOxq08M1vBf7nBD0nqB35-- From nobody Sat Aug 5 15:43:02 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJ6L2316Xz4mBjx; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Received: from the-host.tinka.africa (the-host.tinka.africa [105.22.37.14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJ6L16vDkz4DWp; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tinka.africa header.s=tinka header.b=fj3izfcE; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mark@tinka.africa designates 105.22.37.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mark@tinka.africa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tinka.africa DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tinka.africa; s=tinka; h=To:Subject:From:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HVFcoUktRT6AE3+ppglgV2hgFK/JCUjkC4qRKPOnOMg=; b=fj3izfcEXT8n6B5V+us54KSNQA lv5ICYfLOTK0esdC0iIhWtPPXEXl/WR4V+vECkaDQPRYMto/UJNFj9Hf2fk+UwTyx+xJB/oDqpUlw u04kgzgn14VPSKYVCz+f/cwBjc2RgFjEBnaIkthK/VHrB33fSzM57PFCSMwMhEZbDR/RJf+TfJ2mX oj4cGXnzgGDuPIJO3YjDSIrg6tM5jpu0KHMhwCOE2mv+ghxaUSE42SkJXqOJdwnIoUDpwjEmZsnQo Yzb2GV2UzwpVrrh492Q7xRUG3m1+IwJHgKaBdOaYRNe64aXPZCTtGQJxuRppO9zNJmr9W+Kmz3mD8 JTvAyNjg==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] by the-host.tinka.africa with esmtp (Exim 4.92.1) (envelope-from ) id RYXCZR-000V5K-9A; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 17:43:03 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------pBp244eqBknIy0QUm3x3g0Xc" Message-ID: <1c156201-b9d0-f081-a7b6-272242e80432@tinka.africa> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:43:02 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 From: Mark Tinka Subject: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe) To: Mailinglists FreeBSD , FreeBSD Questions List Content-Language: en-US X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.31 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HELO_2(1.00)[the-host.tinka.africa]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tinka.africa,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.407]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tinka.africa:s=tinka]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:105.22.37.14:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:37100, ipnet:105.16.0.0/12, country:MU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,questions@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tinka.africa:+]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mark]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJ6L16vDkz4DWp This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------pBp244eqBknIy0QUm3x3g0Xc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all. I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40: traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets  1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms 0.301 ms  0.215 ms  2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms  3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms  4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms  5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0) 42.751 ms *  6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5) 43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms  7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms 203.209 ms  8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms  9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms 209.830 ms 10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state. Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine. Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe? Mark. --------------pBp244eqBknIy0QUm3x3g0Xc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all.

I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40:

traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org
traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets
 1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms  0.301 ms  0.215 ms
 2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms
 3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms
 4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms
 5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  42.751 ms *
 6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5)  43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms
 7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms  203.209 ms
 8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms
 9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms  209.830 ms
10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms

NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state.

Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine.

Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe?

Mark.
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I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40: traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets  1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms 0.301 ms  0.215 ms  2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms  3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms  4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms  5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0) 42.751 ms *  6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5) 43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms  7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms 203.209 ms  8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms  9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms 209.830 ms 10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state. Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine. Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe? Mark. --------------pBp244eqBknIy0QUm3x3g0Xc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all.

I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40:

traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org
traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets
 1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms  0.301 ms  0.215 ms
 2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms
 3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms
 4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms
 5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  42.751 ms *
 6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5)  43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms
 7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms  203.209 ms
 8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms
 9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms  209.830 ms
10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms

NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state.

Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine.

Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe?

Mark.
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I then ran poudriere to update all the ports on my system. This is the startup message from ntpd: Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: ntpd 4.2.8p15-a (1): Starting Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: Command line: /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/db= /ntp/ntpd.pid -c /etc/ntp.conf -f /var/db/ntp/ntpd.drift -g Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: ---------------------------------------= ------------- Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: ntp-4 is maintained by Network Time Fou= ndation, Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: Inc. (NTF), a non-profit 501(c)(3) publ= ic-benefit Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: corporation. Support and training for = ntp-4 are Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: available at https://www.nwtime.org/sup= port Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71870]: ---------------------------------------= ------------- Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71871]: leapsecond file ('/var/db/ntpd.leap-sec= onds.list'): good hash signature Aug 5 12:45:50 mystic ntpd[71871]: leapsecond file ('/var/db/ntpd.leap-sec= onds.list'): loaded, expire=3D2023-12-28T00:00:00Z last=3D2017-01-01T00:00:= 00Z ofs=3D37 A short time later, I start to receive these error messages: Aug 5 12:55:01 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 579 PPM exceeds toleran= ce 500 PPM Aug 5 12:58:14 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 555 PPM exceeds toleran= ce 500 PPM Aug 5 13:01:47 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 558 PPM exceeds toleran= ce 500 PPM Aug 5 13:09:40 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 624 PPM exceeds toleran= ce 500 PPM I have tried shutting down ntpd, resetting the time and restarting ntpd. After a few minutes, the problem starts again. This was not happening before the upgrade. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/Z8t5TGlmbqtqEqvd4t4XKm8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEECVMyN8UcMOe+4YCFeTpjHWQv0I8FAmTOh9UACgkQeTpjHWQv 0I8nvAwAzKLF40v52pR2RKZ0Xyb9m4KIMN/yUNjbDLQNqkpd5W3sf6WLaHtTZWUg fuXdt1hwkAToRbbp3L/mJX7PbtqmfgMXoTIS7qt16m/I5HhK9AYiZkH1+vzsC5cx UeyTta5/5oAzZ0lu/sd54yQ0QmN43bzGHl2XMDE5oQWAhT1MNKqEo/e+U3CKmUzt JOtoTbr7MVTbDnwxK2P4A5TRaDBOeKXqkU++aT8MQ2RO9wTTrmXLclNYTdjUxQTY Gsj/67ipSL3IKXp3iESI8I0imWAdpDEgvJwBFNnkl97BYx1DeBljIN8Qle8vhrVe QOQTM3HiF6/wis86kehNFyv4EIuK8PxYrAHMFhuTITPlsC7hPpb4wxLYWZE2u3bd QHdryhN7s1G0ZE//ZxcnYv1Po3kXaiAed3agKrBbxPZ2+Ku/VHHSdXOdBk4VDGbP 5fftnDgPcUmiGX9Zt9JKfGp2MHRe4tJDPNm9P10D0onWg02NaY0gS5+wJELSIVUT sgj55R02 =MnHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Z8t5TGlmbqtqEqvd4t4XKm8-- From nobody Sat Aug 5 17:56:42 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJ9JN3Wc9z4mLKK; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Received: from the-host.tinka.africa (the-host.tinka.africa [105.22.37.14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJ9JG5yqZz4QPq; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tinka.africa header.s=tinka header.b=RaVs+zjG; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mark@tinka.africa designates 105.22.37.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mark@tinka.africa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tinka.africa DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tinka.africa; s=tinka; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:From:Subject: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qMV5qJ4NQad+zh7ZFB/bZIweaXDYCXfNKYHywsDbE/c=; b=RaVs+zjGxCzPIyn4YLTfsLeaO M0nBqoQnyfIeq6UiLVgZrKwXBLNpv65PUhJRgbAWHTNOdn7itC8rldOYYtBk5ZMsqvp6FiUdjmOzJ i1GWo7fOzqrai1OfocpVbbO2DoD1S4KUkkglP4PNiWoyliEhCvBPPVB/2Qaeoz0eb7oYZV6y2yVBq a8HOEnzU8m+KhiWdgKyfXvkhdzxp95KoG2Vu22v3iLYaPbArymD8k4cKhJxNkiWuXnRvmDElCCeJZ WIPDu3SuBLz1Dkm2DQ89B6oCNQIn3B1BnwPSUA2MgKeUMiHY/ABLr0fuZLp8PQBbqi4OFNQmzACSi djW+piPeQ==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] by the-host.tinka.africa with esmtp (Exim 4.92.1) (envelope-from ) id RYXJ6I-000WIM-AH; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:56:42 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:56:42 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Subject: Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe) Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Tinka To: Mailinglists FreeBSD , FreeBSD Questions List References: <1c156201-b9d0-f081-a7b6-272242e80432@tinka.africa> In-Reply-To: <1c156201-b9d0-f081-a7b6-272242e80432@tinka.africa> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.73 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HELO_2(1.00)[the-host.tinka.africa]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.830]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tinka.africa,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:105.22.37.14]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tinka.africa:s=tinka]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,questions@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:37100, ipnet:105.16.0.0/12, country:MU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mark]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[105.22.37.14:query timed out]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tinka.africa:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJ9JG5yqZz4QPq This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So looks like https://www.ntppool.org/scores/197.224.66.40 shows that this server is not performing optimally. Whom, at FreeBSD, can I speak to to either fix this or take this server out of the pool until connectivity is improved? Mark. On 8/5/23 17:43, Mark Tinka wrote: > Hi all. > > I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to > 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40: > > traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org > traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 > byte packets >  1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms 0.301 > ms  0.215 ms >  2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  > 22.370 ms  22.084 ms >  3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  > 20.243 ms  20.139 ms >  4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  > 21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms >  5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  > 42.751 ms * >  6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5) 43.509 ms  > 43.280 ms  43.353 ms >  7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms 203.209 ms >  8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms 208.374 ms >  9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms 209.830 ms > 10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms 208.712 ms > > NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state. > > Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via > local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine. > > Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe? > > Mark. --------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So looks like https://www.ntppool.org/scores/197.224.66.40 shows that this server is not performing optimally.

Whom, at FreeBSD, can I speak to to either fix this or take this server out of the pool until connectivity is improved?

Mark.

On 8/5/23 17:43, Mark Tinka wrote:
Hi all.

I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40:

traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org
traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets
 1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms  0.301 ms  0.215 ms
 2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms
 3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms
 4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms
 5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  42.751 ms *
 6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5)  43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms
 7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms  203.209 ms
 8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms
 9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms  209.830 ms
10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms

NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state.

Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine.

Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe?

Mark.

--------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX-- From nobody Sat Aug 5 17:56:42 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJ9JN3Wc9z4mLKK; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Received: from the-host.tinka.africa (the-host.tinka.africa [105.22.37.14]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJ9JG5yqZz4QPq; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@tinka.africa) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tinka.africa header.s=tinka header.b=RaVs+zjG; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mark@tinka.africa designates 105.22.37.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mark@tinka.africa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=tinka.africa DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tinka.africa; s=tinka; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:From:Subject: MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qMV5qJ4NQad+zh7ZFB/bZIweaXDYCXfNKYHywsDbE/c=; b=RaVs+zjGxCzPIyn4YLTfsLeaO M0nBqoQnyfIeq6UiLVgZrKwXBLNpv65PUhJRgbAWHTNOdn7itC8rldOYYtBk5ZMsqvp6FiUdjmOzJ i1GWo7fOzqrai1OfocpVbbO2DoD1S4KUkkglP4PNiWoyliEhCvBPPVB/2Qaeoz0eb7oYZV6y2yVBq a8HOEnzU8m+KhiWdgKyfXvkhdzxp95KoG2Vu22v3iLYaPbArymD8k4cKhJxNkiWuXnRvmDElCCeJZ WIPDu3SuBLz1Dkm2DQ89B6oCNQIn3B1BnwPSUA2MgKeUMiHY/ABLr0fuZLp8PQBbqi4OFNQmzACSi djW+piPeQ==; Received: from [127.0.0.1] by the-host.tinka.africa with esmtp (Exim 4.92.1) (envelope-from ) id RYXJ6I-000WIM-AH; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:56:42 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:56:42 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Subject: Re: NTP Sync Issue Across Tata (Europe) Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Tinka To: Mailinglists FreeBSD , FreeBSD Questions List References: <1c156201-b9d0-f081-a7b6-272242e80432@tinka.africa> In-Reply-To: <1c156201-b9d0-f081-a7b6-272242e80432@tinka.africa> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.73 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HELO_2(1.00)[the-host.tinka.africa]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.830]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tinka.africa,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:105.22.37.14]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tinka.africa:s=tinka]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,questions@FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:37100, ipnet:105.16.0.0/12, country:MU]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mark]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[105.22.37.14:query timed out]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tinka.africa:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJ9JG5yqZz4QPq This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So looks like https://www.ntppool.org/scores/197.224.66.40 shows that this server is not performing optimally. Whom, at FreeBSD, can I speak to to either fix this or take this server out of the pool until connectivity is improved? Mark. On 8/5/23 17:43, Mark Tinka wrote: > Hi all. > > I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to > 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40: > > traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org > traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 > byte packets >  1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms 0.301 > ms  0.215 ms >  2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  > 22.370 ms  22.084 ms >  3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  > 20.243 ms  20.139 ms >  4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  > 21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms >  5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  > 42.751 ms * >  6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5) 43.509 ms  > 43.280 ms  43.353 ms >  7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms 203.209 ms >  8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms 208.374 ms >  9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms 209.830 ms > 10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms 208.712 ms > > NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state. > > Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via > local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine. > > Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe? > > Mark. --------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So looks like https://www.ntppool.org/scores/197.224.66.40 shows that this server is not performing optimally.

Whom, at FreeBSD, can I speak to to either fix this or take this server out of the pool until connectivity is improved?

Mark.

On 8/5/23 17:43, Mark Tinka wrote:
Hi all.

I have NTP servers in Europe that are choosing Tata (6453) to get to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org which lives on 197.224.66.40:

traceroute -I 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org
traceroute to 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org (197.224.66.40), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets
 1  ae-2-24.er-01-ams.nl.seacomnet.com (105.26.64.13)  0.300 ms  0.301 ms  0.215 ms
 2  ce-0-0-11.cr-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.8.201)  22.163 ms  22.370 ms  22.084 ms
 3  ce-0-0-3.br-01-mrs.fr.seacomnet.com (105.16.32.254)  20.230 ms  20.243 ms  20.139 ms
 4  ix-hge-0-0-0-28.ecore3.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (80.231.165.52)  21.875 ms  21.679 ms  21.762 ms
 5  * if-be-3-2.ecore2.emrs2-marseille.as6453.net (195.219.175.0)  42.751 ms *
 6  if-ae-25-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.175.5)  43.509 ms  43.280 ms  43.353 ms
 7  195.219.83.158 (195.219.83.158)  203.310 ms  203.452 ms  203.209 ms
 8  196.20.225.84 (196.20.225.84)  208.289 ms  208.637 ms  208.374 ms
 9  197.226.230.13 (197.226.230.13)  209.657 ms  209.658 ms  209.830 ms
10  197.224.66.40 (197.224.66.40)  208.638 ms  208.632 ms  208.712 ms

NTP is not sync'ing to that address, and sessions stay in an Init state.

Other NTP servers I have in Africa are reaching the same address via local Anycast hosters, and sync'ing just fine.

Anyone else seeing this particular issue across Tata in Europe?

Mark.

--------------UB2fgrKMHxs7IvAPS9rde5zX-- From nobody Sat Aug 5 18:14:58 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJ9jQ6Z7Vz4mMqS for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d502000805861e.9a2da95bc248283fe00fdf5a96308084@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJ9jQ3wN3z4TS5 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d502000805861e.9a2da95bc248283fe00fdf5a96308084@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1691259307; x=1693851307; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=n6SY64LEkZDCCpc9tjGL3L2k/lFT2vsweXG1vQaPlxM=; b=U/Lq4BJqpZWwH/MTZ96qZQnQwntkE9ZSI9dkMqnEyV4UPjQC8/HKtgPpYOMZv8F7xBoI7ifP7bVTvF0mbfgNQAWH4KNIMQmJcMTU0DrIFeX/TLnIaBwXkCbeCMFUIM6ygi52FEsvxhL+rYrZ9wKZpMBFjo1UTEjfN7B1NSvdCj8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMjAwMDgwNTg2MWUucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:15:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:15:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1qSLnn-0006h4-Vg for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:14:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:14:58 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NTPD frequency error Message-Id: <20230805191458.61ad15f4267596538c6c8055@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20230805133309.00007dfa@seibercom.net> References: <20230805133309.00007dfa@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJ9jQ3wN3z4TS5 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US] On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:33:09 -0400 "Gerard E. Seibert" wrote: > Aug 5 12:55:01 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 579 PPM exceeds > tolerance 500 PPM Aug 5 12:58:14 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 555 > PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Aug 5 13:01:47 mystic ntpd[71871]: > frequency error 558 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Aug 5 13:09:40 mystic > ntpd[71871]: frequency error 624 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM You might need a new clock battery. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Sat Aug 5 18:19:45 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJ9q64ZBcz4mN5B for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJ9q569R9z4VtZ for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=uQ7kwpf6; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 0x1eef@protonmail.com designates 185.70.40.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=0x1eef@protonmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:19:45 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1691259597; x=1691518797; bh=/8JAwDhQbyIBvwv34mUub78hUZo3lbQoxkRRte7jbKg=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=uQ7kwpf6Y/pnpHl2Pzb2lfzKSuf2z4LOyXGp0PPuqqMlO9vSjSb5pvwjqdZDcrf9P OWWsNKfB+vcknb1I7aowIuhAI/Jp0Yl3NL9kdOvORpPhkS0hnQjWCeO8MbEsMw6kH+ 7AZwrBh3nBvx/PMVO0vLrg/naPPuzLvZhbjcbhWtmvhmqu7gfettf1zfeBLS1ldf2N mq4jTTZiFQsDUaQ7m/PW2V3iPMxatITf3haNEWYQQrBZINFrUgVtOMYuVCPDeJo4KM 9MJJl8t/jOC/aGpY8ZaoqghIma6EyWjsbf7NaaPRDyV0GEL32YtV6Q9xLyWojpnJsU nRFi1zlcnuvEA== To: Steven Friedrich From: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> Cc: freebsd@vanderzwan.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Using /etc/hosts, not dns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6c840288-0446-122d-7d97-d6b02982e27c@Gmail.com> References: <846f37ec-c0b3-0b1a-6294-1da6a9260777@Gmail.com> <1ED24C4A-FABF-4096-970D-4017616FC124@vanderzwan.org> <6c840288-0446-122d-7d97-d6b02982e27c@Gmail.com> Feedback-ID: 39071764:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.27 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.869]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.com,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[185.70.40.131:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.com:s=protonmail3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJ9q569R9z4VtZ > Correct, Linux still works. After all these years and my extensive Unix > experience, I am abandoning FreeBSD. You have completely abandoned > common sense. I thought this might be an interesting bit of information to add to the thread.=20 On OpenBSD, /etc/resolv.conf supports a 'lookup' keyword that FreeBSD has not implemented (AFAICT).=20 >From the man page: lookup This keyword is used by the library routines gethostbyname= (3) and gethostbyaddr(3). It specifies which databases should= be searched, and the order to do so. The legal space-separat= ed values are: bind Query a domain name server. file Search for entries in /etc/hosts. If the lookup keyword is not used in the system's resolv.c= onf file then the assumed order is bind file. Furthermore, if the system's resolv.conf file does not exist, then the onl= y database used is file. But the 'host' command is the same as FreeBSD, and does not consult /etc/ho= sts. It should still be possible to write a small C program that uses gethostbyn= ame(3), and that should respect the lookup order. As long as resolv.conf has=20 'lookup file bind' it would consult /etc/hosts first and then consult=20 name servers second. I wrote a proof of concept (I'm trying to learn C, so this was a good task= =20 for me): #include #include #include #define IPv4_FORMAT "%hhu.%hhu.%hhu.%hhu" int main(void) { struct hostent *ent; ent =3D gethostbyname2("read.amazon.com", AF_INET); if (h_errno =3D=3D NETDB_SUCCESS) { char *addr =3D ent->h_addr_list[0]; fprintf(stdout, IPv4_FORMAT, addr[0], addr[1], addr[2], addr[3]); fprintf(stdout, "\n"); } else { fprintf(stderr, "error: %s", hstrerror(h_errno)); } return 0; } 0x1eef From nobody Sat Aug 5 18:30:02 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJB2n2jkXz4mNTp for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:30:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJB2m4SJmz4YBj for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=wKc4sgha; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1691260209; x=1693852209; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=WSVpxydy8V4/VYuzGnJyNaI2jKBkOFRb6JCzOrOlmsk=; b=wKc4sghaW5lgnVm5QqHdRSFO6bx/6F0ikGOOECaYZvP0eDaV7oKprGb0QRaY3rM4r6yQ32gGPbqYzTpy+duHmYDhKhhdpB0oFNof6kx/1E0v3gNoTVh+lRVwec7AdlKvCDjtpjbXlgKswWBRYNvZzeCLyxbag0c3hvRsP4YBkvc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwMjAwMDgwNTk1YTQucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:30:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:30:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1qSM2N-0007xQ-Re for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:30:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:30:02 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using /etc/hosts, not dns Message-Id: <20230805193002.329d154222484f75775104a0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <846f37ec-c0b3-0b1a-6294-1da6a9260777@Gmail.com> <1ED24C4A-FABF-4096-970D-4017616FC124@vanderzwan.org> <6c840288-0446-122d-7d97-d6b02982e27c@Gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50200080595a4.3ba23406879b230ac6675368667022b6@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.190.1:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJB2m4SJmz4YBj On Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:19:45 +0000 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> wrote: > > Correct, Linux still works. After all these years and my extensive Unix > > experience, I am abandoning FreeBSD. You have completely abandoned > > common sense. > > I thought this might be an interesting bit of information to add to the > thread. > > On OpenBSD, /etc/resolv.conf supports a 'lookup' keyword that FreeBSD > has not implemented (AFAICT). Does this differ from the hosts entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Sat Aug 5 19:11:31 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RJByn6TWWz4mQp2 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-40133.protonmail.ch (mail-40133.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RJByn36Dfz4f3J for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 19:11:31 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1691262703; x=1691521903; bh=79n1JiyR4SdsoCzYgivu4Nx26rxxwc111wbmekZ/300=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=KH4vL7TDXDjd8u4BVjPrcooyuxVSkYqkjRMPmrqfzxBo2QLKng8mnQJCT7gA5FkqH Pso607GDR/oJcztnZdRR4i301nAhunyDtCwclsP9TvxV0KIc/7SNj/v12NYLBhXkfP 7mj+nC/s/UzgTjqONNuFOCE3OTAZuxsL9kB1OJZJO8RL7C8jLs1wYKR+YQZF/X9rnc F4jFaV3DH+zZeBS18Mxt55fx44I7SbvjhtBJuncUVS9v0UHjrPjTrNi2jyNxf/7kO1 ydaf+DAy3p2mN9o2UZnqNdsI+t58GP0RttRZ9Ms90/p9uP5jUYkAJChYudkYtqoPOj xbmxyy5FkRaRQ== To: Steve O'Hara-Smith From: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using /etc/hosts, not dns Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20230805193002.329d154222484f75775104a0@sohara.org> References: <846f37ec-c0b3-0b1a-6294-1da6a9260777@Gmail.com> <1ED24C4A-FABF-4096-970D-4017616FC124@vanderzwan.org> <6c840288-0446-122d-7d97-d6b02982e27c@Gmail.com> <20230805193002.329d154222484f75775104a0@sohara.org> Feedback-ID: 39071764:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RJByn36Dfz4f3J X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] > > > Correct, Linux still works. After all these years and my extensive Un= ix > > > experience, I am abandoning FreeBSD. You have completely abandoned > > > common sense. > >=20 > > I thought this might be an interesting bit of information to add to the > > thread. > >=20 > > On OpenBSD, /etc/resolv.conf supports a 'lookup' keyword that FreeBSD > > has not implemented (AFAICT). >=20 >=20 > Does this differ from the hosts entry in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? Sounds like it serves a similar purpose. 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Seibert" wrote: >=20 > > Aug 5 12:55:01 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 579 PPM exceeds > > tolerance 500 PPM Aug 5 12:58:14 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency > > error 555 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Aug 5 13:01:47 mystic > > ntpd[71871]: frequency error 558 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM Aug > > 5 13:09:40 mystic ntpd[71871]: frequency error 624 PPM exceeds > > tolerance 500 PPM =20 >=20 > You might need a new clock battery. >=20 It may be possible that the battery is getting weak. It is strange that this problem only manifested immediately after I updated the system. Besides, if the system is up and running, does the battery do anything? 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Seibert" wrote: > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 19:14:58 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith stated: > > On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 13:33:09 -0400 > > You might need a new clock battery. > > > It may be possible that the battery is getting weak. It is strange that > this problem only manifested immediately after I updated the system. How long had it been running before you updated the system ? > Besides, if the system is up and running, does the battery do anything? I've seen it to be the only power source for the RTC, and I've known it not be the only power source. > I will swap it out tomorrow when I get a replacement and see if it > makes any difference. Cheap and worth a try - unless ntpd has grown a nasty bug it pretty much has to be the hardware running out of spec - hmm or refusing to pull! Now there is a possibility if the code that drives the frequency changing is broken that would also do this. I've pushed all my systems to 13.2-p2 recently they're all running ntpd without complaint. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith