From nobody Sun Nov 19 08:41:03 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SY3yc0jbfz51SjL for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 08:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcb2023az@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x436.google.com (mail-pf1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SY3yb1ZMDz4VmX for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 08:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcb2023az@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=iyaBNPbk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jcb2023az@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::436 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jcb2023az@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-x436.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6cb7951d713so190186b3a.1 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 00:41:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700383285; x=1700988085; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=UBVI8iimwdoOwSA5+JY/q8lMQhGPfQs1+VXB1LjbQe8=; b=iyaBNPbkc4n6Iw4xFn38MNdNr4FEbWKkDEcLZrWACwZdrdQkVyTY9qv4fWAZQCUPcl egf03W6zruVffWJFnAb3HMLGmpFiBB/J2SC+lOmzBMfDc2MiYFKf6UYYPXIoScSZmiTq IyuIGsAJWKUuoeJX8LquJ9MOJrE1zSY/IS7ah3XGG1zPGFKN3Te5IeZVbFEpRXKXC/V4 fjv/IvMXaonpBOzFCuU3uhMYXIzQUfadAKMRUCS1ij/fvdb0/nF6bsSsbRPfd2v1brDV hrIrWqnNGeq3c7LIiWhkBQKa013xVn7r/4J5dNwcXudYA71MhvzA8FFSKR9fcOWh51Kt +9TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700383285; x=1700988085; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UBVI8iimwdoOwSA5+JY/q8lMQhGPfQs1+VXB1LjbQe8=; b=SeFCxiyithMHerGA3YviPsMLA5LVElijlI+kMnO4d9CUGhPy/2WqXCSOc58mWv/m7k N4Bee3Sse9wXKdPwsFdjVWEI+zAu9cjjY6axGGii20Rtgx4jPpUq5Y6K4fuEoLSrusA/ /y9HheKI1kZC3+rAzQkh7pkCrGEegMSrkt1z3mR/URY7UcUh1anw9f3cA7jDD/11uSKK fIlRsZvTzwGjWRLBUkLZVPXsDY8TGIVGvTkoFYJQDXfEqKYz6GJNp69B6X072r87u+7O OSfMJZjqA7mP2sSzWPeKWktokFWCtkSTnOOYP0Hm4ouPHiV2aLdJQyxjjNnt5vsFtHWb 1BAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwxT8IXIamdzkckitLOiNLzykkBKGkBgOVwImc3imATcE0u0xup Zhz4eSdlA5Kzsjeo3osezaqjOML7Lmc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE0ZWJP2dgoqxtYJpLWzTFvG/gsLJiiDbldGbH176Q2Dk2RKWu+OHLa0BMYi6ZBmAtRyql7Nw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:398b:b0:6c9:af71:1de7 with SMTP id fi11-20020a056a00398b00b006c9af711de7mr15788243pfb.11.1700383285336; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 00:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd2 (c-73-116-164-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.116.164.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u66-20020a627945000000b0068fe39e6a46sm4236887pfc.112.2023.11.19.00.41.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 19 Nov 2023 00:41:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 00:41:03 -0800 From: Joe B To: D'Arcy Cain Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does this work on FreeBSD? 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I need it to be AP capable. > > LinksTek Wireless N 600Mbps (2.4GHz 300Mbps and 5GHz 300Mbps) PCIE > WiFi Card, Qualcomm Atheros AR946X PCIE Wireless Network Adapter for > Windows 7, 8.x, 10, 11 (32/64bit) Desktop PCs (PCIE-N600AT) > > It does mention Linux in the description. > Best way to find of something is compatable with freebsd is take the model number and do a search on it. example AR946X chipset, or AR946X linux. or keep googleing for that model and eventually you will see somebody that has tried to compile it and they will give you the Reltek or the actual driver/chipset of the device. then google the chipset with freebsd. like Freebsd then you should be able to narrow it down. - Joe B From nobody Tue Nov 21 00:44:07 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZ5Jp74Pkz51Nqb for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dima@inventati.org) Received: from devianza.investici.org (devianza.investici.org [IPv6:2c0f:f930:0:4::108]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZ5Jn32Lqz4YXM for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:45:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dima@inventati.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=anche.no header.s=stigmate header.b=Lpf6QfdK; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dima@inventati.org designates 2c0f:f930:0:4::108 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dima@inventati.org; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=anche.no Received: from mx2.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by devianza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZ5Jg0Dy5z6vHv for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:45:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=anche.no; s=stigmate; t=1700527539; bh=kGk7AcjqLF+tj6nj/or6aJbfwcgBTJ4HKzz8D51VML4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Lpf6QfdK60uVUs75abbbwqUE4MdFni7Uleul2ec42mHTHQAnJ/L/zivA+erZe1LLo 9zOzMns/hiTfzZBRE+R866t4tTRGgxkMjeBAKY/41oO+C97sGcMxeUacqvl4g6eHux WYbsADfatApgjn9lSZzKSW7FE2yYI53kaSsAtHKw= Received: from [198.167.222.108] (mx2.investici.org [198.167.222.108]) (Authenticated sender: dima@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SZ5Jf4Hnzz6vHs for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 03:44:07 +0300 From: "D.A." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: System become unbootable Message-ID: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; INVALID_MSGID(1.70)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[anche.no,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[dima@anche.no,dima@inventati.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2c0f:f930:0:4::108]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[anche.no:s=stigmate]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.167.222.108:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2c0f:f930:0:4::108:from]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dima]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[dima@anche.no,dima@inventati.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[anche.no:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:39287, ipnet:2c0f:f930::/32, country:FI]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZ5Jn32Lqz4YXM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Disk has been encrypted during install process (ZFS Auto). However, system become unbootable after adding a new user key with "geli setkey ..." command and appropriate values to /boot/loader.conf file. There something like: geli_da0p2_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_da0p2_keyfile0_type="da0p2:geli_keyfile0" geli_da0p2_keyfile0_name="/boot/da0p2.key" Encrypted partition da0p2 can be attached with geli when I boot from USB stick. 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After about 30 mins i went back to the tty where it was and it was skipping packages that weren't there and eventually i just stopped it. went to startx and i was missing lots of modules. I reinstaled and everything is workinga again exepct no spotify Question is when is it safe to use make deinstall ? I was wondering since the forum post had me in 1 directory that wasn't offical is that the reason why it removed stuff at the root level? 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I'm just learning by studying the source code of some basic tools included in the base and I had a question. Why is __dead2 applied to some function like usage? static void usage(void) __dead2; What is the reason that __unused is applied to the function argument like here: static void siginfo_handler(int sig __unused) { siginfo = 1; } These snippets are from /bin/chmod/chmod.c. Where can I find more information on this? 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These macros are defined in /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h, they're hints to the compiler to prevent warnings that would otherwise occur and break the build with --Wall which turns all warnings into errors. > Why is __dead2 applied to some function like usage? > static void usage(void) __dead2; __dead2 hints that the function is not expected to return. > What is the reason that __unused is applied to the function argument like > here: __unused lets the compiler know that this parameter is not used intentionally. > static void > siginfo_handler(int sig __unused) > { > siginfo = 1; > } > These snippets are from /bin/chmod/chmod.c. Where can I find more > information on this? In each case without the hint the compiler would throw a warning, which the default --Wall option would turn into an error. There's a NetBSD manpage which covers similar constructs, but there doesn't seem to be a FreeBSD version of it. https://man.netbsd.org/NetBSD-6.1/__dead.3 -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Tue Nov 21 19:06:53 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZYlb3JFJz527p7 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZYlZ6gksz4t1q for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from terra.edvax.de ([178.12.114.137]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [213.165.67.97]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mhnnc-1ra9w71RsO-00dlrL; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:07:03 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (r56 [10.200.1.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by terra.edvax.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPA id 3ALJ6wNB032829; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:06:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:06:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Joe B Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to get spotify working Message-Id: <20231121200653.1b8cae0e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20231121000443.3e975f52@freebsd2> References: <20231121000443.3e975f52@freebsd2> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:q/Sn/m+br7l1fHQz2340Jkbc3UQDTGLD4caW78akdOFpVka2Y9d hMh/agOijcxNjJunhhKeWk5F0uLnTmEoGjl1dgTk0flwRljLxgxQdmmGDS11XnZBxNcGm3N HcQR6tmzDejD0k8WHNmMGR3tjIbRzQMFuHVis8kdJk0gOpd/Zy34SGfFohfY29M4kR1g3lf EnAXXFzjb3wMNyd5R/S3Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Ie1Kxk0DKcQ=;Nt8lS0fabLkWYiJk5TWAUGVbqc/ x1z1GBHaqTK1v/j9srq8PXMmgCp7TtETY1vE3kWgTdYGpFHMgR0vPCeKeNMeyvAZWZGX63Fzu mAyWuYot5SF1qgYMqtqiUAkCnZzIeohHOgbW+d1ED+LGKi+tMHs0BchIfbK5Az7IirKSMSuPy ZAphA6zuxTZ3cH1fmP9KTzH0OAVfwk7U3lD899iufUA1qG+aQy46reyGcfIbYM6OfKU1djC1J 6f/PeWQFjZ5eoZAhw6gSdDVfjvcWFvxeALmCQ63/zDuM7cm7diom4F55C42KoGCMvRPmgpRAR z4vs2y0A8zjw8HVt4Gw76mJwDxE3LqyxMJuDCx1g6ghKabD9R866K+cno32VHLmcN1MO5/gTa qvsj353KTcjX5uTLtxoBftiWgSc7miwonSYi2W72RKO6O8m6VOgOJ9m+OS7sCIpZok/Gbs2nv Hc3Dg4Rd6KiESBFSHOZq+JBBy7SdVs1x8/TgyV6IR7MgTEbTD5Zi603sLkLUheebWA0iL+RMj ixONnD6WL9XV7ej1YweGHjweXdk5MxKzo4K45uBQnj7GEWU/ERac+IDbR55AOJB097FlNupzp Gj/AHcP0972cUAiYTAbTUsOtNcKxm4HjNyvdFny0MLO2zVFLPpeq6v1LOuVm8uAEvV7UHpPn4 ItiEHIYo2m7amz5Kjp2OA6ckmFzuchPcIiG6Co8MscxR6H/S3raSufTvXmq5JEUnJ4grp3pHa goKIFAKpyg5dy2Ki5ulHX21aq7Iej00/p3nVz4inEs8bkaljn39Y0XjsheE2N9pz7aJqm95M3 G5V2VIbRhn198wRw7KeVv38uruQNoZuG39pAGpBJnePt1oyk7+ePxfukJtjWC3WyJfthcIxN3 ya4Lk8SGXXyyG/g== X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZYlZ6gksz4t1q On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:04:43 -0800, Joe B wrote: > So I followed this post > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/watching-spotify-and-listening-to-netflix-in-2023.90695/#post-626065 > > It was asking me a lot of prompts and i was like im just going to see > if it works > > After it failed to compile i was like let me remove it. so i did a make > deinstall clean. After about 30 mins i went back to the tty where it > was and it was skipping packages that weren't there and eventually i > just stopped it. went to startx and i was missing lots of modules. I > reinstaled and everything is workinga again exepct no spotify > > Question is when is it safe to use make deinstall ? When you are inside the directory of the official port, i. e., /usr/ports//, that you want to deinstall. See "man 7 ports" for details. The files /usr/ports/Makefile and /usr/ports/Mk/* contain the implementation of "deinstall" at the possible locations. > I was wondering since the forum post had me in 1 directory that wasn't > offical is that the reason why it removed stuff at the root level? That is quite possible. The thread in the web forum instructs you to do this: % sudo pkg install chromium # 117.0.5938.149_2 or higher % sudo pkg install foreign-cdm % sudo sysrc linux_enable="YES" % sudo service linux start % git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports % cd freebsd-ports/www/linux-widevine-cdm % make % sudo make install This seems to be relative to your current location whatever that might be ($PWD). From that (undefined) point, a directory freebsd-ports with the subdirecotires www and linux-widevine-cdm will be created. If this happens inside /usr/ports (which it shouldn't, as it also requires root permissions to write to there), a "make deinstall"... well, actually this sounds wrong. I have no idea what's inside the git repository, so any unwanted side effect could be possible, like a temporary change to /usr/ports... If you assume that you run "make deinstall" from the /usr/ports/www directory, it will iterate though the ports found there and try to deinstall them. If there is a /usr/ports/www/linux-widevine-cdm, and you run "make deinstall" from there, it will only deinstall the linux-widevine-cdm port - of course the official version. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[73.116.164.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o24-20020a170902779800b001c613091aeasm8239817pll.297.2023.11.21.11.48.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:48:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:48:45 -0800 From: Joe B To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to get spotify working Message-ID: <20231121114845.67187f8a@freebsd> In-Reply-To: <20231121200653.1b8cae0e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20231121000443.3e975f52@freebsd2> <20231121200653.1b8cae0e.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZZgL5XXpz3DbH On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:06:53 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:04:43 -0800, Joe B wrote: > > So I followed this post > > > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/watching-spotify-and-listening-to-netflix-in-2023.90695/#post-626065 > > > > It was asking me a lot of prompts and i was like im just going to > > see if it works > > > > After it failed to compile i was like let me remove it. so i did a > > make deinstall clean. After about 30 mins i went back to the tty > > where it was and it was skipping packages that weren't there and > > eventually i just stopped it. went to startx and i was missing lots > > of modules. I reinstaled and everything is workinga again exepct no > > spotify > > > > Question is when is it safe to use make deinstall ? > > When you are inside the directory of the official port, > i. e., /usr/ports//, that you want to > deinstall. > > See "man 7 ports" for details. > > The files /usr/ports/Makefile and /usr/ports/Mk/* > contain the implementation of "deinstall" at the > possible locations. > > > > > I was wondering since the forum post had me in 1 directory that > > wasn't offical is that the reason why it removed stuff at the root > > level? > > That is quite possible. The thread in the web forum > instructs you to do this: > > % sudo pkg install chromium # 117.0.5938.149_2 or higher > > % sudo pkg install foreign-cdm > % sudo sysrc linux_enable="YES" > % sudo service linux start > > % git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-ports > % cd freebsd-ports/www/linux-widevine-cdm > % make > % sudo make install > > This seems to be relative to your current location > whatever that might be ($PWD). From that (undefined) > point, a directory freebsd-ports with the subdirecotires > www and linux-widevine-cdm will be created. If this > happens inside /usr/ports (which it shouldn't, as > it also requires root permissions to write to there), > a "make deinstall"... well, actually this sounds wrong. > > I have no idea what's inside the git repository, so > any unwanted side effect could be possible, like a > temporary change to /usr/ports... > > If you assume that you run "make deinstall" from the > /usr/ports/www directory, it will iterate though the > ports found there and try to deinstall them. If there > is a /usr/ports/www/linux-widevine-cdm, and you run > "make deinstall" from there, it will only deinstall > the linux-widevine-cdm port - of course the official > version. > > Got it Yea i was like after 20 mins of make deinstallin in the directory i'm in especially my home folder i'm like it keeps asking me for my root password ever 2 mins. and it just keeps going and goin. This isn't my first time on freebsd or linux and i've build some packages before but nothing like this. It's ok i've already reinstalled to 14.0-RELEASE and will be cautious now and also read everything thing when i'm doing it. I got some feedback here https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/761999 Lesson learned. Thanks for the response Joe B From nobody Tue Nov 21 19:51:01 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZZkJ6wk3z52Bjw for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZZkH5ftQz3FvP for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:51:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b=yVvBrJ9P; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of iio7@tutanota.com designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=iio7@tutanota.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tutanota.com Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD41BFBFB5B for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:51:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1700596261; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=hF50gFqPFDExbvZcBpWNgMVvIpkJIurPOxBiCX+oWrQ=; b=yVvBrJ9PWMixKDs2uQHFOiYNzydmD0HzwS/V261o5wD2EM2019N+vTjFTwWOY5wy u1OZ8GrJ6RbroCJ2eQhNlhVM7OLKUIloqhkRa/2dJacbX+nUKxVHuh7tH7pobNvAvo2 TtzuFtGJS9XbpeAX9Ng4owrdrQcq4Sb7zp9Sv7eD3oUO3cXkcRG9pONLTKyp3IL51XX H/QC4eDaAI5wIfdmdNjski7Q9ez8dBctPn3HgzQH8ENSADB33r480x2HO1YstZuqhOA jln9xA7g953mecnLVEzq1mC/wxd/z4ylkX8ecm1Hf3JZULKLQ3P2DOaGEW3bsZIXqkE SpRm79EQlA== Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:51:01 +0100 (CET) From: iio7@tutanota.com To: Freebsd Questions Message-ID: Subject: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.23 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.928]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tutanota.com,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[81.3.6.162:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tutanota.com:s=s1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tutanota.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZZkH5ftQz3FvP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's done on A= rch Linux! When there is something that is going to break something during an upgrade,= you get timely information and a step by step instruction in what to do - = BEFORE you do it! Something like this doesn't help! =C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update t= he boot code. =C2=A0 See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know wha= t that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after updating= the zroot pool: ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog ZFS: pool zroot is not supported Can't find /boot/zfsloader Can't find /boot/loader Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel From nobody Tue Nov 21 20:12:27 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZbCD1VQfz52DFs for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x630.google.com (mail-ej1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZbCC6BcGz3JSs for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x630.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a03a9009572so39803666b.3 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:12:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700597556; x=1701202356; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Uhv9e5zxfEsTBbeShEtvwTIk6AiPsruHYNQkcUfsVFk=; b=kQQ61iN0jPgsEmNBR9oOTMaXG8Y2HnvSnLaBvAbJGczfN/1m8Jvzl49HxF9vXn2DSm zpghTKGkSlnbxjQxqPVFpugtpsbCOAWLSvH4/lVpTY3u0qxaKH4YpSCsjTrmiOOo5pCH uJzyzBSqAsoYVk5OaQ39+TEe2uRXdjm2f0wZ71Gg3gp7hC2lfeQvMX6HDePsFgLxHBam Lod+DwafQaDUgOPlQO6yEQl5OxGefPfk2/Tep/QWO4tKxEWcD7mvMwtTW8zEGQBL2O+h XxGrky/fqsEQRTtzZPRfd3b9obsKuX4AskXd9v7gB90BkHo0CuzTxkR7+CafmqEszVMU rvCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700597556; x=1701202356; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Uhv9e5zxfEsTBbeShEtvwTIk6AiPsruHYNQkcUfsVFk=; b=NhrLmYPao39UFXJGWBJFq8nyHaPV8ayz/sRphuUTQoNzB5w+rV29BLnDAewJZgqUQP mF1UjncxcN3mJEalIztPTj4gh2rHmWmiMgn0+g2s2tVnVgYHdiNt8lxXgg6ost1N6ien Dz9UqpqdlZDMSwVc91wsWHlBpX8DYeQEAoZXdcthCVwUtychqebSFlDcigB83lUlUYkj chkkTnXCL6RuOEiH50+uEKbsCCtmgvuoBlVlz7zfrBwFDK+btpowhlT+dR6VUj/fSmku W8Qupm6/K2neHNpqclnoGUqQnTT8a/my/QFzSq7kSf4d2mhvjEgnAQES7vJesAw/JgNf DqMA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy65vA0kdVZuxkpz/tgERpXdZD3qgtJpXxcRlo/vBj4WCmp+T2s LpAXhXYU2JIt+SD5XSjmWcIueWBoHRoVHI9JhX2XZqU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEHXDuW2BHoWwMY64dhlo2G9KhlojD4zNF4m0nD9lnfG3EbnZxyLwXJsH30M5vYQiXVo2UgJP1n/8zNlprdy3g= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:2995:b0:9ae:522e:8f78 with SMTP id eu21-20020a170907299500b009ae522e8f78mr36247ejc.74.1700597555406; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:12:35 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 15:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD To: iio7@tutanota.com Cc: Freebsd Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000322b60060aaf398e" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZbCC6BcGz3JSs --000000000000322b60060aaf398e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:51=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's done on > Arch Linux! > > When there is something that is going to break something during an > upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in wha= t > to do - BEFORE you do it! > > Something like this doesn't help! > Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update the > boot code. > See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. > > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? > > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know > what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. > > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > updating the zroot pool: > > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel > > > > You failed to, in your own words, "get timely information and a step by step instruction in what to do - BEFORE you _did_ it!" You're now suffering with the errors that you cause upon yourself. Quite literally 1000's upon 1000's upgrade their machines daily I'd gather. You are the odd man out. See the problem here? ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --000000000000322b60060aaf398e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Nov 21, 2023= at 2:51=E2=80=AFPM <iio7@tutanota.= com> wrote:
Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it'= s done on Arch Linux!

When there is something that is going to break something during an upgrade,= you get timely information and a step by step instruction in what to do - = BEFORE you do it!

Something like this doesn't help!
=C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to = update the boot code.
=C2=A0 See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details.

I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean?

=C2=A0I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even= know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way.=

So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after upda= ting the zroot pool:

ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog
ZFS: pool zroot is not supported
Can't find /boot/zfsloader
Can't find /boot/loader
Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel




You failed to, in your own words, "g= et timely information and a step by step instruction in what to do - BEFORE= you _did_ it!"

You're now suffering = with the errors that you cause upon yourself.

Quite liter= ally 1000's upon 1000's upgrade their machines daily I'd gather= .=C2=A0 You are the odd man out.=C2=A0 See the problem here?
=
~Paul

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Take a look at have it's > done on Arch Linux! > > When there is something that is going to break something during an > upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction > in what to do - BEFORE you do it! > > Something like this doesn't help! >   Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to > update the boot code. >   See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. > > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? > >  I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even > know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in > any way. > > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > updating the zroot pool: > > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel > > > > > You failed to, in your own words, "get timely information and a step by > step instruction in what to do - BEFORE you _did_ it!" > > You're now suffering with the errors that you cause upon yourself. > I'm not a fan of the overall attitude towards them (their concern isn't completely unfounded, not that I like their tone either), but I agree with the overall sentiment. The e-mail that started this thread is a lot less helpful than the e-mail that could have been sent instead if they had stopped when they realized they didn't understand from the information given- to figure out what the ramifications of proceeding are (surely this upgrade wasn't that urgent) and point out that documentation actually isn't as helpful as one might think to a user of a different background. > Quite literally 1000's upon 1000's upgrade their machines daily I'd > gather.  You are the odd man out.  See the problem here? > > ~Paul > Thanks, Kyle Evans From nobody Tue Nov 21 20:26:09 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZbVw0GZkz52FJ4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralfdoering@outlook.de) Received: from EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-he1eur04olkn2062.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.73.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZbVt6XLVz3Lxq for ; 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[73.116.164.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 25-20020a17090a195900b0027d0af2e9c3sm10525403pjh.40.2023.11.21.12.26.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:26:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:26:34 -0800 From: Joe B To: iio7@tutanota.com Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20231121122634.4efa1f2a@freebsd> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZbVy3ChWz3LyP On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:51:01 +0100 (CET) iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's > done on Arch Linux! >=20 > When there is something that is going to break something during an > upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in > what to do - BEFORE you do it! >=20 > Something like this doesn't help! > =C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update > the boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >=20 > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? >=20 > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even > know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any > way. >=20 > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > updating the zroot pool: >=20 > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel >=20 >=20 >=20 I know exactly what you are going through i updated to 14.0-RELEASE from 13.2-RELEASE and i was stuck. I didn't know what to do. There are some outlets that can help though until the documentation gets better like the arch wiki and other places. I Been on FreeBSD a week 1. https://forums.freebsd.org/ 2. https://libera.chat/ then join #freebsd 3. https://discord.com/ & https://wiki.freebsd.org/Discord join the #helpdesk channel 4. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/freebsd 5. This mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-questions When you ask for help don't complain just ask and layout what you've done and what you are looking for and you will get a response. Try it. Joe B From nobody Tue Nov 21 20:30:38 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZbcD55Kxz52F64 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005c96531.501981784d93cf91648cf5a2a4fed182@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZbcD3Chqz3Nqc for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005c96531.501981784d93cf91648cf5a2a4fed182@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1700598652; x=1703190652; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=ZLWZgcyn4UtmP+p8+q5To8ROhChsE0rGUYdpwSWTw5U=; b=rDQoG22fClNYX2cViPYLmtRMkmu+X2wQU1LKoDlrr8HHPIOifHQMC+5H/cQgWEWFjkw7HWwsIcNubhYRfdjdBHPnzw04mWKV+ydzxOIGV+Cmz6XWEBl493gKEKFH0oUwypnIe7Jvf2aFwvW7Bc2+0SOgBYGVD63pqCkACitJRog= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwNjAwMDVjOTY1MzEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 15:30:42 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 15:30:40 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r5XOI-000OaU-IR; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:30:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:30:38 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: iio7@tutanota.com Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZbcD3Chqz3Nqc On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:51:01 +0100 (CET) iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's done on > Arch Linux! > > When there is something that is going to break something during an > upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in > what to do - BEFORE you do it! You did of course read the release notes right ? The rather good documentation provided by the FreeBSD project for each new release. Specifically this section that tells you exactly what to do and why. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/#upgrade Documentation is only useful if you read it! BEFORE you do things. > Something like this doesn't help! >   Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update the > boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. It's a warning not documentation, heeding it could have saved you much trouble. > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? It seems pretty clear that you should make sure you understand it and do what is necessary *before* you reboot. The boot code is (as the name implies) the code used to boot the system which has to be able to read the filesystem containing the OS, which it can't if that filesystem has been updated with features that the existing boot code does not support. > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know > what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. If you had read the release notes you would know what to do, and surely the name "boot code" is sufficiently descriptive as to what it is. > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > updating the zroot pool: AND rebooting without updating the boot code right ? > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel Now you're going to need this article in the forums which a search would have found for you in a few seconds: You might want to thank T-Aoki and note the rather more polite way someone else who got themselves into this mess asked for help. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Tue Nov 21 20:42:46 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZbtB2Pmgz52GWK for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcb2023az@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com (mail-lf1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZbt913C0z3RYN for ; 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--000000000000a07386060aafa557-- From nobody Tue Nov 21 20:54:33 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZc7n4RrJz52HFf for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZc7m6NmKz3Spg for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=qwyfvUZm; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZc7f2WfZz9wMF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:54:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1700600082; bh=B5tsAxnRTlEY3w25bSYWzhsNJMTYHgTWPDIc/pl+2dk=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=qwyfvUZm340r62CdXzaUttvvuOdBw27SLQ1SWF9ehz5naU5bQ/k7ic62JC+l9V0cE 35a4oUUFybKAgfA0n7C1XoirlJ1G/RXmuMCv2zJ2+cjWagPVJgSpAFBNae9b2j394O H99ZbngFYA7WhZbRdK0J0miFpgNX6Sf4xHhEoZLw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 6D738472F57CD3D5D505410CC0D3978EB62AE76F5AD000080A52759120B1FF40 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SZc7d5BbxzFvhR for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7f5b40d9837ee59d919ae8c08c4084d57c9e5725.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.50 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[198.252.153.6:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZc7m6NmKz3Spg X-Spamd-Bar: ----- On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 20:51 +0100, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Take a look at have it's done on Arch Linux! Hi, Arch Linux and iPadOS are my everyday operating systems. The bootloader documentation is not as clear-cut as you think, even under Arch Linux. Before I bought a new mobo, I ensured that it provides legacy boot. I migrated from an old Intel processor with integrated GPU to a new mobo with a new Intel processor with an integrated GPU. Each time I chose legacy boot it was ignored. The reason for this is, that the integrated GPU does enforce efi boot. When the Intel processor was new, it was documented exactly somewhere hidden in nowhere. The enforced migration from legacy boot to efi boot has resulted in a whole chain of incompatibilities, so I decided to migrate from syslinux to grub 2 and after that I still needed to use kernel parameters, for Arch Linux e.g. ibt=3Doff, for Alpine Linux e.g. modules=3Dext4 ... the freakish kernel parameters where found with some help from the communities. IMO "you might need to update the boot code" is quite straight forward. You need to rewrite the bootloader, how depends on the used bootloader, legacy vs efi boot and probably a few other pitfalls. Boot processes are a can of worms! When I set up a Windows 11 VM I needed to BypassTPMCheck, BypassSecureBootCheck and I don't remember what else, by hidden Microsoft Windows 11 registry features. Keep in mind that almost all hardware is not aimed for BSD or Linux. I didn't run into a bootloader issue when migrating from one iPad to another iPad ;). A bootloader documentation covering all corner cases is hard to archive, if nor impossible at all. If I where you, I would take a look at "gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details" and if needed ask for help. 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After about 30 mins i went back to the tty where it > was and it was skipping packages that weren't there and eventually i > just stopped it. went to startx and i was missing lots of modules. I > reinstaled and everything is workinga again exepct no spotify > > Question is when is it safe to use make deinstall ? When you are in an individual port's directory that you want to uninstall from your system; it just runs `pkg delete` on the package defined as PKGNAME. You can run `make -VPKGNAME` from a port's folder to see what that name would be. Haven't used it in years but thought it was only a good idea when on the same ports tree that ran the install as I thought it ran a separate make target and not just use make to run `pkg delete` on the package (installing a port creates an 'installed package' record); guess it should be fine as long as names haven't changed enough to make PKGNAME not be the same thing in the port as ports change over time. If you didn't initiate a `make deinstall-all` or leave the directory of the port you wanted it to uninstall then I would have not expected it to do this. `cd /usr/ports; make deinstall` I would presume would be a bad idea leading to what you described. > I was wondering since the forum post had me in 1 directory that wasn't > offical is that the reason why it removed stuff at the root level? If `cd freebsd-ports/www/linux-widevine-cdm` had you inside a normal individual port folder and you didn't change to a different one, then I would have assumed `make deinstall` to work just fine. > Thanks for the response > From nobody Tue Nov 21 21:10:46 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZcVL2wxpz52JNt for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZcVJ5pVtz3Yjj for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b="N/Rg+AyO"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of iio7@tutanota.com designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=iio7@tutanota.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tutanota.com Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4555FBFBAA for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:10:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1700601046; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=VC877Mas/InLDHwqL8ZIRRoGjG8M01OBo0Z2Rjl2Xqg=; b=N/Rg+AyOLEyU76ez7zl6G9IbfK/FWhJvA0QSOOkn99nCFS/ALsHq159UKxY66LmI 38TX3iogVHC9YTetqds8sMGaY4cMUpGoPzIt0lwKcyUQ+iAtUhtCmvmGL3Ho1b4Ez8O jbMyUfM4xKDxVh4WpBAHi+UWyVRglAc46I5PkzRHS8r7rvINrKf8ffaA3EUgyKMfQb3 F3FrUUOXDPKV+E+TVNKRi6KBApbi0F7n+y2EKuccu2Jk9b95jEGorrihvCh1CuHR4Ot PdX53znltW2h25xHtZdiDKV3ClMt5zF9XOpwCI67V5h07CEAkbIiYMetLo2dFB9xmlC 1+mNwBCKGw== Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:10:46 +0100 (CET) From: iio7@tutanota.com To: Freebsd Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tutanota.com,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[81.3.6.162:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tutanota.com:s=s1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tutanota.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZcVJ5pVtz3Yjj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- > Nov 21, 2023, 21:30 by steve@sohara.org: > >> >> You did of course read the release notes right ? The rather good >> documentation provided by the FreeBSD project for each new release. >> Specifically this section that tells you exactly what to do and why. >> >> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/#upgrade >> >> Documentation is only useful if you read it! BEFORE you do things. >> >>> Something like this doesn't help! >>> =C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to upda= te the >>> boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >>> >> >> It's a warning not documentation, heeding it could have saved you >> much trouble. >> >>> I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? >>> >> >> It seems pretty clear that you should make sure you understand it >> and do what is necessary *before* you reboot. The boot code is (as the n= ame >> implies) the code used to boot the system which has to be able to read t= he >> filesystem containing the OS, which it can't if that filesystem has been >> updated with features that the existing boot code does not support. >> >>> I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know >>> what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. >>> >> >> If you had read the release notes you would know what to do, and >> surely the name "boot code" is sufficiently descriptive as to what it is= . >> >>> So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after >>> updating the zroot pool: >>> >> >> AND rebooting without updating the boot code right ? >> >>> ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog >>> ZFS: pool zroot is not supported >>> Can't find /boot/zfsloader >>> Can't find /boot/loader >>> Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel >>> >> >> Now you're going to need this article in the forums which a search >> would have found for you in a few seconds: >> >> >> >> You might want to thank T-Aoki and note the rather more polite way >> someone else who got themselves into this mess asked for help. >> The release engineering and related documentation suck as usual. Polite my = ass. I have had it. I have been on FreeBSD for more than 20 years and always have to deal with = shitload of problems on this operating system ONLY due to the lack of docum= entation. I read the man pages, I read the forum post, which doesn't help shit when t= he next crap you run into is this: =C2=A0 ZFS: unsupported feature: com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_vs Nothing should break this bad during a simple upgrade and then have the guy= responsible for the documentation to make a fucking blog post about the mi= ssing documentation on the website: https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2023-11-21-late-breaking-FreeBSD-14-breaka= ge.html "but there are a few last-minute issues which deserve to bedocumented =E2= =80=94 probably somewhere on the FreeBSD website, but I canpost to my blog = much faster and hopefully we'll get these onto the FreeBSDwebsite later." Oh, and let's not forget this one: "stand: Fix oversight in updating OpenZFS: Add com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_v= 2com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_v2 is a new feature that the last OpenZFSimport= brought in. It needs to be on the list of supported features, butthat upda= te didn't happen so I woke up to a mailbox with multiplecomplaints." Thank you very much! Amazing work. From nobody Tue Nov 21 21:41:38 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZdBG2YZ6z52LVY for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Received: from mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (mx1.enfer-du-nord.net [91.121.41.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZdBF5lfHz3dkT for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trashcan@ellael.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5b2e5f1f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.46.95.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.enfer-du-nord.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SZdB44l6szKXQ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:41:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ellael.org; s=dkim; t=1700602908; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vGC9srSSU6ySiDdLXlHAF2AsRPmeegME/W26Hfos9Uo=; b=uEpW6H1FVHQ6w2C+w+mPgaVokx/Ag1gfyPd/DtwtiGbya6omsvSaAD2D/+3myeIpFbQyGj L95bE7TGGvKESfg8E+HCLW1YhtKFF8/ombYIso2e9IcHfJVtxRzYoU6pZs4JGL3/5XFPMQ mC3iV8ZGsgYJx1U3Rco4sdR1G5WbLvZ/chFxlEP3fJwYxWyy5KwSl+/eHo4KBE8e1o2uMZ 6c/z7lgeTfmqnL1GfgXpYmH05lsGRMfhURd9VtZhfwVgBv30S0Ong/uZxDC8fzuwNQorqR AESLXhcaKmLiQr4U9JCCAk0mQrVzZUANQYlDuZAeszMUHV1Sohh8ypL13xNNHQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD From: Michael Grimm In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:41:38 +0100 Cc: Freebsd Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> To: iio7@tutanota.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZdBF5lfHz3dkT iio7@tutanota.com wrote > I have been on FreeBSD for more than 20 years and always have to deal = with shitload of problems on this operating system ONLY due to the lack = of documentation. 20 years of shitload =E2=80=A6? You are trolling. You better move to another OS, FBDS and you won't get compatible in the = the future. And quite frankly, you should have done so 19 years ago, = latest. 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Strange that - I've been using FreeBSD since 1.1 came out in 1993 both personally and professionally at Yahoo! and Isilon and I have very very rarely had to deal with problems for *any* reason. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Tue Nov 21 22:04:42 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZdhb0tCSz52NJn for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infoomatic@gmx.at) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZdhY49KDz4FhZ for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infoomatic@gmx.at) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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Take a look at have it's done o= n Arch Linux! > Well then I guess we all know what you have to do: either use those systems, hire someone who understands more than you or just feel happily invited to improve the oh-so-bad documentation of FreeBSD. 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The rather good >>> documentation provided by the FreeBSD project for each new release. >>> Specifically this section that tells you exactly what to do and why. >>> >>> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/#upgrade >>> >>> Documentation is only useful if you read it! BEFORE you do things. >>> >>>> Something like this doesn't help! >>>>   Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update the >>>> boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >>>> >>> >>> It's a warning not documentation, heeding it could have saved you >>> much trouble. >>> >>>> I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? >>>> >>> >>> It seems pretty clear that you should make sure you understand it >>> and do what is necessary *before* you reboot. The boot code is (as the name >>> implies) the code used to boot the system which has to be able to read the >>> filesystem containing the OS, which it can't if that filesystem has been >>> updated with features that the existing boot code does not support. >>> >>>> I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know >>>> what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. >>>> >>> >>> If you had read the release notes you would know what to do, and >>> surely the name "boot code" is sufficiently descriptive as to what it is. >>> >>>> So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after >>>> updating the zroot pool: >>>> >>> >>> AND rebooting without updating the boot code right ? >>> >>>> ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog >>>> ZFS: pool zroot is not supported >>>> Can't find /boot/zfsloader >>>> Can't find /boot/loader >>>> Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel >>>> >>> >>> Now you're going to need this article in the forums which a search >>> would have found for you in a few seconds: >>> >>> >>> >>> You might want to thank T-Aoki and note the rather more polite way >>> someone else who got themselves into this mess asked for help. >>> > > The release engineering and related documentation suck as usual. Polite my ass. I have had it. > > I have been on FreeBSD for more than 20 years and always have to deal with shitload of problems on this operating system ONLY due to the lack of documentation. > > I read the man pages, I read the forum post, which doesn't help shit when the next crap you run into is this: > >   ZFS: unsupported feature: com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_vs > > Nothing should break this bad during a simple upgrade and then have the guy responsible for the documentation to make a fucking blog post about the missing documentation on the website: > You didn't do the complete upgrade because you failed to read the release notes, as noted a couple of times so far. You might have missed the part where you're upgrading major versions, where stuff like the above *does* happen and that's why you have to actually read the material presented to you that's discussing what's changed. We can't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot when it's so clearly written right there what to do on a UEFI system where it's less straightforward, and given your apparent years of experience there's no way you haven't had to deal with a gpart-bootcode update that hasn't changed in any material fashion in years. I'm not going to bother responding to the rest, because you seem to have some strong wrong opinions about who does what on the project and how source trees work. From nobody Tue Nov 21 22:40:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZfVF6cVyz51CRM for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZfVF4V7rz4Kn2 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=gr6mfah7fjdxta5lkdp562nnfu.protonmail; t=1700606449; x=1700865649; bh=dJZOpf2jepMzWjC/UBmtGbks0jC9QOiD7miHWxuF/mQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=VfInb179RzU+SLZyf2js7h4mWnT3YXswBzsQN2vVrZlwO595P04ogv5LNYl5OEGIr xsbkvDGAfqkw7Sgehs13wmyB0ocmgwG6W7gd6vs32/roqSHeY+9oaL9u9IX1nhvpZT wzVxi4DeejpQKm7jYFRP/BoLta/RtTsaVL7y66E9YxAdizbe7LWF7ziQTUbeg+/BlM IH/wphHt2G3yNOAJPJ/DPEEhhHgaa4TTJ2Ds23AzBGQtFbdICCdbvSjahNb6YAqtdH oILC+y9OgDemhqnTp0UvD8jAoNXYvboyQysqEer1fNbqmGc6bt62hT26MTsjBywDgy eKF1HU48uOyEw== Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:40:28 +0000 To: iio7@tutanota.com, Freebsd Questions From: Jonathan Adams Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-ID: <3iBOiWPRGGoYhPb_Ltwn3KwjPW_NE701ggmmmzGAP1WrWphOeZ0WNI7LMxmYdcCrALJEg3A8rWj8MQ2ztjU1kZYSC0iFnG7Zb7c6qXN_9yA=@proton.me> In-Reply-To: References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------0dfccf895729be98e1813672a4988ae569804c3cb9da7bddd38bf344d5a43dc6"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZfVF4V7rz4Kn2 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------0dfccf895729be98e1813672a4988ae569804c3cb9da7bddd38bf344d5a43dc6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------b30641b0e707cce66ce95225e51d17ef -----------------------b30641b0e707cce66ce95225e51d17ef Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Tuesday, November 21st, 2023 at 4:10 PM, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > > I have been on FreeBSD for more than 20 years Wow. 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--00000000000077113b060ab192ca-- From nobody Tue Nov 21 23:22:45 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZgQc3y2Mz51HXL for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZgQb5mV6z4T3L for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iio7@tutanota.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b=f0WZQThP; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of iio7@tutanota.com designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=iio7@tutanota.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tutanota.com Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13DFBFB46 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:22:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1700608965; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=yTJcuJIt0F5VCyTajPA3irhTpsZDsrXixgcCbW8AWtQ=; b=f0WZQThP8HNYBSIaSFIRxBrDnpASQxHWWmPCGYwyQNPwvXieB/VBr+ATSuVcWE2Q SXqlm3DKQoOoyFvqsGrJAquwUnkTj+T1qmsod66bAq6uFt1sZvas/pmhGbTFtexiQ2x +ptxpedEyH1FIYx8vB5+uGOtgQC6KtfMzpEEuofFUkzYln0qet1yB/opeVaYz3AzOtK fx83B1g1MxWEqscPtrE8QdNZV+4/fAYZGgw+ElNiuDWEgrNYlZkWuEecubZUiJRtmzw m+9Uw3fMjEIarji4GLyewWytz5jkQ38AY3TCsf1aZMYq+7aixLjOfyZMrJ6vMmbpxC9 ClMMCIK98A== Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:22:45 +0100 (CET) From: iio7@tutanota.com To: Freebsd Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3iBOiWPRGGoYhPb_Ltwn3KwjPW_NE701ggmmmzGAP1WrWphOeZ0WNI7LMxmYdcCrALJEg3A8rWj8MQ2ztjU1kZYSC0iFnG7Zb7c6qXN_9yA=@proton.me> References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> <3iBOiWPRGGoYhPb_Ltwn3KwjPW_NE701ggmmmzGAP1WrWphOeZ0WNI7LMxmYdcCrALJEg3A8rWj8MQ2ztjU1kZYSC0iFnG7Zb7c6qXN_9yA=@proton.me> Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tutanota.com,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[81.3.6.162:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tutanota.com:s=s1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tutanota.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZgQb5mV6z4T3L X-Spamd-Bar: ---- > You didn't do the complete upgrade because you failed to read the > release notes, as noted a couple of times so far.=C2=A0 You might have > missed the part where you're upgrading major versions, where stuff > like the above *does* happen and that's why you have to actually read > the material presented to you that's discussing what's changed. > > We can't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot when it's so > clearly written right there what to do on a UEFI system where it's > less=C2=A0 straightforward, and given your apparent years of experience > there's no=C2=A0 way you haven't had to deal with a gpart-bootcode update > that hasn't changed in any material fashion in years. Enough with the assumptions! I did read ALL the release notes. Who wouldn't!? In the section "Upgrading from Previous Releases of FreeBSD", where it says "Note for systems that boot via EFI, using either binary or source upgrades". Well, guess what, I am not using EFI. I thought this was only related to EFI systems. > Well then I guess we all know what you have to do: either use those > systems, hire someone who understands more than you or just feel > happily invited to improve the oh-so-bad documentation of FreeBSD. ... > You better move to another OS, FBDS and you won't get compatible in > the the future. And quite frankly, you should have done so 19 years > ago, latest. ... > Wow. Two decades of using FBSD and you don't know what the boot code > is. That pretty much explains your current predicament. Fuck you! All of you smug ass know it all pieces of shit. > Strange that - I've been using FreeBSD since 1.1 came out in 1993 > both personally and professionally at Yahoo! and Isilon and I have > very very rarely had to deal with problems for *any* reason. What a fucking load of crap! But let me get you a medal of gold! 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I'm on my phone 99% of the > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > I'm using an android and iPhone For android, my interest was in looking into fairemail and k-9 mail though I haven't done email on my phone and would prefer not to; I'm not on my phone often as I rarely need the portability and its a worse experience than desktop (screen size, touchscreen, computational power). > Thanks > > ~ Joe B > From nobody Wed Nov 22 02:09:45 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZl7W6r5Dz51Wym for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcb2023az@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22c.google.com (mail-oi1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZl7W2skgz3Nj2 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcb2023az@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-oi1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3b565e35fedso3785188b6e.2 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:09:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700618997; x=1701223797; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=zxt1U0UQeBJlzGiGu93vKZKcouLQph05XluPnI+WM7Y=; b=jk6+r3dNX4Mmi099NQWHygmBcX3+KwP9XGSr2tFTB5SbMrcAnGbqXSKVaieNW6qt5X odTc0x3ear2JXIkvI/9sSNDDyI2eNK3a5sHH4sNJEUFm4Wm5CDzLg0tFbnHo2Q4aVAsG re0ydwAxlblW0xsdLmby46DaUohXJx5TuXSlPp6JIYN9hW7UZZKt0k/eIlpI7iywv/6N rHresj8n5z4tLDSGZeLZR246RhTy5RAgNX+SR2Sr1WCwaYtf8EeWJ3d9okDE5cNf01OR IkbWUj6NHouj5aRXkCAunl0eG1BR4jaoIQRu47+iD65LjwqLqH3IHBxHTvV4kNPW4hbs b+aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700618997; x=1701223797; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zxt1U0UQeBJlzGiGu93vKZKcouLQph05XluPnI+WM7Y=; b=GQQxELFSA0zVsJX6CtjKOYhr2HFmJovxuPpjIFW+DH/DGA3MlWT6yz83LEasuy8r+w G5nGn37pH/eB1PMka44IDRLb8PDnOUqRWQuDUxgI+MlcWzGy5PxTb8rjgMG/SJOBwKlj sjVvQCVjEdczcO6V1oQXbyOo19RZ9KbChw4Jb2wLZaWFhY1YOYOXAZi/SiFYc+O+Ba22 5OV3UxDY2EOheW0PFkJDubQ1VvEoK+ChkVYzVXyZJi6QqtH/BgogjGtPMyzl5MssGxlt rf6ekaooSiKI1FtFr6NlJsZ4hstkzMV7HXCzFKA713O78kUAWf4dhwisqH3t4wFm7f3K DbiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwfaX6TB1D/GcJpfnDExKMFNgb3LD94RZftgzTJuaSZgbarwX6P 2QjRWiUM8QvAQnU7XIcFNY4kFSTTWqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFG8Lreb7f9QFp+r/cqiaZauY5IURVcg6Vpg8BrDzV9C9INowtMEF7SzFNQeDKoIu+Kg/fFFg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1597:b0:3b2:ea7c:c402 with SMTP id t23-20020a056808159700b003b2ea7cc402mr1326147oiw.25.1700618997217; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb91:1d33:d896:4979:10b:e97c:f57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k9-20020aa788c9000000b006c4d371ef7csm8856093pff.14.2023.11.21.18.09.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:09:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Joe B List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Email Client Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:09:45 -0800 Message-Id: <10922FA3-993E-4530-8579-0FCA30B268C1@gmail.com> References: Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: To: "Edward Sanford Sutton, III" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21B91) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZl7W2skgz3Nj2 > On Nov 21, 2023, at 4:21=E2=80=AFPM, Edward Sanford Sutton, III wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/21/23 16:00, Joe B wrote: >> What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the >> time and reply to email also on Mobile. >> I'm using an android and iPhone >=20 > For android, my interest was in looking into fairemail and k-9 mail though= I haven't done email on my phone and would prefer not to; I'm not on my pho= ne often as I rarely need the portability and its a worse experience than de= sktop (screen size, touchscreen, computational power). >=20 >> Thanks >> ~ Joe B >=20 >=20 I wish I could be on my laptop all the time it would be amazing. Busy life always on the go. I switched back to my iPhone and using default mail app. We will see Thanks ~ Joe B= From nobody Wed Nov 22 03:19:34 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZmgz63qpz51fTc for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from mail.haidagwaii.net (mail.haidagwaii.net [23.235.65.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZmgy4zh0z3V6w for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 03:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fquest@paz.bz designates 23.235.65.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fquest@paz.bz; dmarc=none Received: from 254-68-235-23.gwaiicomm.com ([23.235.68.254] helo=[10.10.10.10]) by mailb.haidagwaii.net with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r5dm1-000JWi-6z; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:19:33 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:19:34 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Pazarena Subject: freebsd-update response Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.24 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:23.235.65.64/26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:852, ipnet:23.235.64.0/20, country:CA]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[paz.bz]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZmgy4zh0z3V6w X-Spamd-Bar: --- I thought I would try the response of freebsd-update on a fresh install of a 2 day old release .... last sentence in this response is ... 'cute' :freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching public key from update2.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata signature for 14.0-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 14.0-RELEASE-p0. WARNING: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. 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Subject: p11-kit: no configured writable location to store anchors To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[palaceofretention.ca,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palaceofretention.ca:s=all-mail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:auth-spf.palaceofretention.ca:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:852, ipnet:66.183.0.0/16, country:CA]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[palaceofretention.ca:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZp7v6jFwz3ZXq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Hello, I came across the error in the subject while working on a jitsi installation (FreeBSD 13.2). Since I found no satisfactory resolution online, I thought I would post my own. The short version is to create the /usr/local/etc/pkcs11 folder, the /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules folder and copy two sample config files, respectively: # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules # cp /usr/local/share/examples/p11-kit/pkcs11.conf.example \ /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf # cp /usr/local/share/p11-kit/modules/p11-kit-trust.module \ /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules/ Long story... p11-kit ========= p11-kit is a required pkg for using jitsi. This installs the 'trust' program for managing trust stores. root@meet:~ # pkg install p11-kit We created two certificates using prosodyctl. Now we try and add them to the system’s pkcs11 trust store. root@meet:/ # trust anchor -v --store /var/db/prosody/meet.crt p11-kit: no configured writable location to store anchors After much web searching without success, I tried the ktrace command to see if I could find out what files 'trust' is looking for. (Don't forget to heed ktrace's warnings about the possible growth of the ktrace.out file). root@meet:/ # ktrace trust anchor -v --store /var/db/prosody/meet.crt p11-kit: no configured writable location to store anchors Page through the ktrace.out file using kdump. It may take a while to get to the problem area. Look for file missing errors, while ignoring most library (.so) loading messages. root@meet:/ # kdump -f ktrace.out | more ... 28977 trust NAMI ``/usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf'' 28977 trust RET openat -1 errno 2 No such file or directory ... 29034 trust NAMI "/usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules" 29034 trust RET open -1 errno 2 No such file or directory The program is looking for a configuration file at: /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf We don't have one, nor do we have a pkcs11 folder in /usr/local/etc. root@meet:/ # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkcs11 Look for those files / paths: root@meet:/ # find . -name ’*s11*’ ... ./usr/local/share/examples/p11-kit/pkcs11.conf.example Copy the sample to our newly created config directory: root@meet:/ # cp /usr/local/share/examples/p11-kit/pkcs11.conf.example \ /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf Here's what it looks like: root@meet:/ # cat /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf # This is an example /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf file. Copy it into # place before use. # This setting controls whether to load user configuration from the # ~/.config/pkcs11 directory. Possible values: # none: No user configuration # merge: Merge the user config over the system configuration (default) # only: Only user configuration, ignore system configuration user-config: merge ======= The second problem was with /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules, create it: root@meet:/ # mkdir -p /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules Look for module files: root@meet:/ # find . -name ’*p11*’ ... ./usr/local/share/p11-kit/modules/p11-kit-trust.module That was the only module available, so we created the modules directory and copy p11-kit-trust.module into it. root@meet:/ # cp /usr/local/share/p11-kit/modules/p11-kit-trust.module \ /usr/local/etc/pkcs11/modules/ Try the trust anchor command again. root@meet:/ # trust anchor -v --store /var/db/prosody/meet.crt No error. Add the auth.meet.crt as well. root@meet:/ # trust anchor -v --store /var/db/prosody/auth.meet.crt I hope this helps others who come across the subject error. 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And at how entities and non-profits, and individuals are accepting and using crypto. Consider recognizing the advent and power of cryptocurrency and working that greenfield to build mutually beneficial ecosystems. After all, cryptocurrency is the future, and those who are integrating some of its models would be well positioned to prosper in that future. Happy hacking :) -- YouTube search: xWAwK2fHArc , _U3lEc-IFr8 , ... https://duckduckgo.com/?ia=videos&iax=videos&q=voluntaryism https://odysee.com/@Anarchast:2 https://bitchute.com/ || https://rumble.com/ || https://odysee.com/ X.com: NameRedacted247 || Rumble.com: v3x4ssy https://libertarianinstitute.org/books/voluntaryist-handbook/ #OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenAudit , #FormalVerification #CryptoCrowdFunding , #PredictionMarkets , #OpenTrust #GuerrillaNets , #P2PFiber , #GNURadioRF , #PrivacyCoins #DropGangs , #CryptoUAPeez , #DistributedEverything , ... From nobody Wed Nov 22 04:49:20 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZpgb1RNKz51n5l for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZpgY6xLtz4D3S for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 04:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=Fq9geu8g; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 184.105.128.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1700628560; bh=Zm2c8aqtFJTvqVeRwBtv7zh1Lq/znbtQEMn2SZXhhfM=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject:To: References:Content-Language:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fq9geu8g0BL4VFGtvXzO3w0jzV4EdxudthGTxGpHptaTFKaG3WBAxmsh0P712iYcl LOtJU4UzIQIYCkArdAgYwQqRmjSCIFfSwvdSLZs7mi2e0nW7hEWYC9KUbm8K6sZ8Nx IyClfe+0pDXIVJfZ1dX8HynEWsYgV5KwTWgWBHT2dycs0uSGvNyiQhXGdKg4RA7+yK agyFsfmcFUf7adNaqfhXSvyVIYMLOoLVtA1FbwZZIgkSgHDxtJnzTf1UynBh/jx5Px V8Hruer9W5oiE4hiN0arxRSRiT+iJBBrxlhC60knfX0pRH20c/ZQjtmtRsNUTtFqut xTsN5vRWPNvurY8BWKhRr+fxHzPb3EfYHVGszh6Nm68zCZGA6WKsLzHPtn74+bd6m6 LbdippLJhXAIdtni3ziTrft0Aewt4P7a23xkFRIODkpwr0a1R00wEbqzfOocAgK7Ym 8OLDZdJPCMsUHDMWoT5ohoVSpsaIesDw23HorMJ5T/wum4/P4EQ9Us3or8q0bJi18x 1ORrZBXD86AZCT19QzHeDLAGKBB+TB/C8gaFEL0hnEn2nHD+dy5NPH38Qpe4OYBkfs aj65I3iR7boL7IBDj26tNUJSaU7FNeMddNU3MDfdR4AEyr9I5sM1RXQ/GcAKIkJJSl hi+FSdGHxFBjkCvK5XLwurEk= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:49:20 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:49:20 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD To: questions@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.89 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZpgY6xLtz4D3S X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 11/21/23 11:51, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > ... upgrade ... >   Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update the boot code. >   See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. > > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? > > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. > > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after updating the zroot pool: > > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel On 11/21/23 13:10, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > ... > https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2023-11-21-late-breaking-FreeBSD-14-breakage.html > ... On 11/21/23 15:22, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Enough with the assumptions! > ... I upgraded a ZFS boot pool and ZFS root pool last year, and encountered a similar warning: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2022-July/001593.html The following article was helpful for understanding the FreeBSD boot process: https://klarasystems.com/articles/the-freebsd-boot-process/ It might be possible to fix your FreeBSD instance: 1. Study the klarasystems article and determine the boot loader sequence for your computer, what stages/ files go where, and why. 2. Boot FreeBSD installer media into a rescue shell. 3. Crawl the FreeBSD installer shell script, following the path you would take if you were installing FreeBSD on that computer. Find the sections of installer code that write boot loader files from the installer media to various blocks on the system disk -- MBR, space between MBR and first slice, slices, BSD partition(s), etc.. Compare the installer files against disk blocks using cmp(1). If you find differences, write the installer files to the appropriate system disk blocks with dd(1). 4. If and when you get to installer files copied into a system disk ZFS file system, stop and see if the previous steps fixed the boot issue. 5. To access the system disk ZFS file systems, import the system disk pool(s) using the '-R altroot' option to avoid confusion due to overlaid file systems. I suggest taking an image of your system disk before attempting any of the above. Alternatively, remove the system disk, install a zeroed disk, do a fresh install, and restore from backups. Beware of installing multiple disks with identically named ZFS pools -- e.g. two system disks with pools "bootpool" and "zroot". It is safer to use the FreeBSD installer if you need to work on a ZFS system disk. David From nobody Wed Nov 22 05:09:58 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZq7Q5NTqz51pdC for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62c.google.com (mail-ej1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZq7Q2F9Lz4Hq5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a02d91ab199so153278566b.0 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700629808; x=1701234608; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=g5khg4sFIypwUkYdUXZtijtLu+fiCjrNYiZx7GX/JOg=; b=h0u4LSDXfBEnIraBOQt7Gzi69d7c384t3KSC9Dt8C3DEQEL04yzbmuhCrC3P4A+GHL uZbHRU2dpTs3zaQycELJH352vze1xQttpFpzJ0mOP2tcPGhvwiCpgFT2XoeNMw88LYDU Fe+/z7NMWbKmlujcIz9UxY1gA3or2cryd9tZU0xghAWwGiggqOggbQxM+NV5acEqCrvU JY5xSD5reWTs/YOBt4uMg58mSpqayvTmXJVs0BnJ+0j+ybgz6dzazlWh9NJGZ/LPXyMl P2zbvbLNpIzYnsJbhUMvfDrJvBpicuYdnMSISOx+uwh+iYm45NelN4DTO23TS/aY8Wsj iSuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700629808; x=1701234608; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=g5khg4sFIypwUkYdUXZtijtLu+fiCjrNYiZx7GX/JOg=; b=RSTPUu8N7tkWsFTZpltpZtpx5mMmUoze0giPQKpHmi3oNIY0NpwMrhfuw6HllW5cjO MDZUnw0E7Z4+oiRDmBFrA2qfN/fs38C/1aRdK08QIRu8luC09Jt96SRs++bOkSIrX4F3 Ggu+wsYXZiBHFOo0/qr8wwsYzsmqZr9m70lOUQO9/dJj1uBwWy8tjTktddlhdgNBh3D7 ZGbkvfKBKyZ0WT0BfC24PEOvueSyVtblfhGbQxVIn9xxu2Cd1rqSDSSPo8XIde0xXr7P 1W8yW8XVdqrPqGbV59JkqZKKuinjMDgretDmy4pe6wlhoISp0Uh67AIOTU9y6QPNT7H0 x/0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwBs56PoZQstBaZ6SahrtXXd2YOw1gx6ba+wjzT9c6swV/zzHks WKBC9drc6ICGWlIwViHHXBRpglWnurFn4kxMiA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEZfi3a5UCxzzlBtYzPd7Of3k6Xa7q7oDaDrKp/ejtJ/YI+ug9BlhB/9QHoqh0xjAKr8allBq5YRwKALrFjYIo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:5358:b0:a00:2947:409d with SMTP id j24-20020a170906535800b00a002947409dmr626382ejo.12.1700629808364; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231121122634.4efa1f2a@freebsd> In-Reply-To: <20231121122634.4efa1f2a@freebsd> From: Paul Procacci Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD To: Joe B Cc: iio7@tutanota.com, Freebsd Questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009f42af060ab6bb20" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZq7Q2F9Lz4Hq5 --0000000000009f42af060ab6bb20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:27=E2=80=AFPM Joe B wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:51:01 +0100 (CET) > iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > > > Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's > > done on Arch Linux! > > > > When there is something that is going to break something during an > > upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in > > what to do - BEFORE you do it! > > > > Something like this doesn't help! > > Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update > > the boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. > > > > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? > > > > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even > > know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any > > way. > > > > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > > updating the zroot pool: > > > > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > > Can't find /boot/loader > > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel > > > > > > > > I know exactly what you are going through i updated to 14.0-RELEASE > from 13.2-RELEASE and i was stuck. I didn't know what to do. There are > some outlets that can help though until the documentation gets better > like the arch wiki and other places. > > I Been on FreeBSD a week > > 1. https://forums.freebsd.org/ > 2. https://libera.chat/ then join #freebsd > 3. https://discord.com/ & https://wiki.freebsd.org/Discord join the > #helpdesk channel > 4. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/freebsd > 5. This mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-questions > > When you ask for help don't complain just ask and layout what you've > done and what you are looking for and you will get a response. > > Try it. > > Joe B > > Bravo. No seriously bravo. There's the right way and then there's the wrong way. This approach from Joe is the correct approach. He's upfront and appears genuine. Essentially: "I'm a noob and need help". Perfect, let us have at it. Then there's the "I've been doing this for 20 year types (doubful in this case) and I fucked up, yet instead of asking for help I'm just going to complain" type. And with that I say: If you actually have been using FreeBSD for 20 years and you want to complain ... fix it yourself. You know what us "old timers" do when we run into trouble? The first thing is we don't complain about the thing we've been using for 27 years (in my case). The second "real" thing we do is go and check the bug reports for our issue. 99% of the time I found what I was looking for. The third thing, if the second thing wasn't good enough, this list with enough information in hope that someone would help you. -- In most cases they do. If not this list than the other resources shared by Joe. .. and with that, I welcome Joe. You've probably already contributed more in your week here than iio7 has in his past 20 years. ;) ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --0000000000009f42af060ab6bb20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Nov 21, 2= 023 at 10:27=E2=80=AFPM Joe B <jc= b2023az@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:51:01 +0100 (CET)
iio7@tutanota.com wrote:

> Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it= 9;s
> done on Arch Linux!
>
> When there is something that is going to break something during an
> upgrade, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in<= br> > what to do - BEFORE you do it!
>
> Something like this doesn't help!
> =C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might nee= d to update
> the boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details.
>
> I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean?
>
>=C2=A0 I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't= even
> know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any<= br> > way.
>
> So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after=
> updating the zroot pool:
>
> ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog
> ZFS: pool zroot is not supported
> Can't find /boot/zfsloader
> Can't find /boot/loader
> Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel
>
>
>

I know exactly what you are going through i updated to 14.0-RELEASE
from 13.2-RELEASE and i was stuck. I didn't know what to do. There are<= br> some outlets that can help though until the documentation gets better
like the arch wiki and other places.

I Been on FreeBSD a week

1. https://forums.freebsd.org/
2. ht= tps://libera.chat/ then join #freebsd
3. ht= tps://discord.com/ & https://wiki.freebsd.org/Discord jo= in the
#helpdesk channel
4. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/= tagged/freebsd
5. This mailing list
https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freeb= sd-questions

When you ask for help don't complain just ask and layout what you'v= e
done and what you are looking for and you will get a response.

Try it.

Joe B


Bravo.=C2=A0 No seriously bravo.= =C2=A0 There's the right way and then there's the wrong way.
This approach from Joe is the correct approach.=C2=A0 He's upfront a= nd appears genuine.
Essentially:=C2=A0 "I'm a noob and ne= ed help".=C2=A0 Perfect, let us have at it.


Then= there's the "I've been doing this for 20 year types (doubful = in this case) and I fucked up, yet instead of asking for help I'm just = going to complain" type.
And with that I say: If you act= ually have been using FreeBSD for 20 years and you want to complain ... fix= it yourself.

You know what us "old timers" do when we run= into trouble?=C2=A0 The first thing is we don't complain about the thi= ng we've been using for 27 years (in my case).
The second= "real" thing we do is go and check the bug reports for our issue= .=C2=A0 99% of the time I found what I was looking for.
The t= hird thing, if the second thing wasn't good enough, this list with enou= gh information in hope that someone would help you. -- In most cases they d= o.=C2=A0 If not this list than the other resources shared by Joe.
=

.. and with that, I welcome Joe.=C2=A0 You've proba= bly already contributed more in your week here than iio7 has in his past 20= years.=C2=A0 ;)

~Paul

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--0000000000009f42af060ab6bb20-- From nobody Wed Nov 22 05:40:53 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZqq00MjFz51s6X for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZqpz5LM0z4Lj6 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 0x1eef@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1700631656; x=1700890856; bh=gQomlnNJZdaTY/Xc/P3M9oAG7vqDQ3jD8rdMaCrZ1N4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=U4s7A+yPxZaO4ksBngM+bTCZ0z+JYvnr5Fyz975MQfpRm12LJbf3TQ0KtD64u16+A Ep0Zz0b45i2VYStRX80pflEwTFj/SyU2+VLnBJ3C7i6SoyW1FZwAmwPFNdCLuO2Rc0 d60j//DwhuIUU4niQFWzH1GUod90Ic5sAUKVyle++o7aqk6IUUBdq0Z7GU/JZLmGgh SjAJnhnoz98n5mysOVvFcSBNCyau8bR4IRhcKN41vH93GnX/BPTYj6IqzI63nalinr kPJO1UxkWJmIGZlSjxqBux0NcFX7dkAYb/Oz9j/awJ56wok3YKlAtnTqoVKJwhPw4E 5ucXBYTGauicA== Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:40:53 +0000 To: iio7@tutanota.com From: 0x1eef <0x1eef@protonmail.com> Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> Feedback-ID: 39071764:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZqpz5LM0z4Lj6 On Tuesday, November 21st, 2023 at 6:10 PM, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Nov 21, 2023, 21:30 by steve@sohara.org: > >=20 > > > You did of course read the release notes right ? The rather good > > > documentation provided by the FreeBSD project for each new release. > > > Specifically this section that tells you exactly what to do and why. > > >=20 > > > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/#upgrade > > >=20 > > > Documentation is only useful if you read it! BEFORE you do things. > > >=20 > > > > Something like this doesn't help! > > > > Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update = the > > > > boot code. See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. > > >=20 > > > It's a warning not documentation, heeding it could have saved you > > > much trouble. > > >=20 > > > > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? > > >=20 > > > It seems pretty clear that you should make sure you understand it > > > and do what is necessary before you reboot. The boot code is (as the = name > > > implies) the code used to boot the system which has to be able to rea= d the > > > filesystem containing the OS, which it can't if that filesystem has b= een > > > updated with features that the existing boot code does not support. > > >=20 > > > > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even k= now > > > > what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any wa= y. > > >=20 > > > If you had read the release notes you would know what to do, and > > > surely the name "boot code" is sufficiently descriptive as to what it= is. > > >=20 > > > > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after > > > > updating the zroot pool: > > >=20 > > > AND rebooting without updating the boot code right ? > > >=20 > > > > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > > > > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > > > > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > > > > Can't find /boot/loader > > > > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel > > >=20 > > > Now you're going to need this article in the forums which a search > > > would have found for you in a few seconds: > > >=20 > > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/upgrade-14-relase-root-on-zfs-rebo= ot-before-update-boot-code-and-stuck-at-efi-shell.91035/ > > >=20 > > > You might want to thank T-Aoki and note the rather more polite way > > > someone else who got themselves into this mess asked for help. >=20 >=20 > The release engineering and related documentation suck as usual. Polite m= y ass. I have had it. >=20 > I have been on FreeBSD for more than 20 years and always have to deal wit= h shitload of problems on this operating system ONLY due to the lack of doc= umentation. >=20 > I read the man pages, I read the forum post, which doesn't help shit when= the next crap you run into is this: >=20 > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_vs >=20 > Nothing should break this bad during a simple upgrade and then have the g= uy responsible for the documentation to make a fucking blog post about the = missing documentation on the website: >=20 > https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2023-11-21-late-breaking-FreeBSD-14-brea= kage.html >=20 > "but there are a few last-minute issues which deserve to bedocumented = =E2=80=94 probably somewhere on the FreeBSD website, but I canpost to my bl= og much faster and hopefully we'll get these onto the FreeBSDwebsite later.= " >=20 > Oh, and let's not forget this one: >=20 > "stand: Fix oversight in updating OpenZFS: Add com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps= _v2com.klarasystems:vdev_zaps_v2 is a new feature that the last OpenZFSimpo= rt brought in. It needs to be on the list of supported features, butthat up= date didn't happen so I woke up to a mailbox with multiplecomplaints." >=20 > Thank you very much! Amazing work. I can understand your frustration. But at the same time, if you're angry,= =20 wait until that passes, and then send an email. FreeBSD does not charge=20 you anything to use their operating system, a lot of people contribute=20 in their free time, and mistakes can happen.=20 As far as documentation goes, the various FreeBSD handbooks are superb (to = me), while the Arch Wiki doesn't really do it for me. It can be different stroke= s for different folks. 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It is of course an error which will be fixed in p1. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Wed Nov 22 07:19:27 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZt1Q4yvPz521xR for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZt1Q33Fqz4ZTH for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2c87acba73bso43496191fa.1 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:20:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700637606; x=1701242406; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=O4e8qGf+HXm24k+mbOBC8Lgp43AHpRXNatGcKyXGE68=; b=goNGAZbhHVTftFHJtFXpzWvq3nGgEmx1XdPCvK5gJYXYTSyqO+a5xGhSePs+qGFKzx u97aFNtkbdwgv1BAamSSODc3tTjc+z0AA9y9a6SfnuhGR1Wa2VnkJH3ouZiUqVWX64+a /1TjaNrkaBW2ka4mimH7ETesrPpcEXM0x9VcYz7md1nX9DH0s4XRm8/vYqm6Ze7J9mBr v2UBgp7z1mE+0Y8Rmk52+Q9/0/SllSLyuYPODjqM9uCPyhp458l/YdVlBMfttESuOOXZ nMKyMqpWOtG9PtCLI1g8arM2S06n3wupp9V+6D19yrSegsn5CF1iCtnvDNGtmRSyrPh8 5Vdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700637606; x=1701242406; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=O4e8qGf+HXm24k+mbOBC8Lgp43AHpRXNatGcKyXGE68=; b=dIkRfoiln9vin/sdqMPdAyqUSfOKBjSHtzjsp01JbPGRW1tGoqcp8D/2y4OpQ59N1k zH6SjqLUeL3MIfN4oYkF+th5CPwzVvqZf8rP+3w8Q7XsKglYYnv+UGD/BIOFwKyy5oNv a2PTUQmBfSwkmVQkblAB7xXntK0hf8tBdHDfu8e42YVsjylnzuaM9/7FDLDBIJlQ0CZ3 wv56ih/GIgwDnkrQ6g0VVpOS5Q7sdkr613KKuo+IpDn0XugbZqocrPY3l4RvWvw67g+F kBEYe4Gwzf8en6D1jnng6dwmAlCOuFHj+StUr7gU1NAC0JlBdiAtDpqa+bgSVMaMBhn0 E9Yw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyAvizbiZe5G4NwuuBVsxiDUQn4gT4nGOU0UZgdJ52HLwYWVlBD rBVAt7hNogLvzGoVni1s5G2PDHJ0Nct8g31pMyzPq2xmltv6a6aC X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFkf2u1mgVOcxEO+gAAAWep7vszqGiuGsX3g8AauzfFuazXZKkGP5f46Nn6eC2tOrIqlW1+UcSaqRmUoi/xR3A= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8709:0:b0:2c6:e46e:9849 with SMTP id m9-20020a2e8709000000b002c6e46e9849mr963741lji.15.1700637605656; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 23:20:05 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:19:27 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Email Client To: Joe B Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000607fe4060ab88ce9" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZt1Q33Fqz4ZTH --000000000000607fe4060ab88ce9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFAM Joe B wrote: > What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > I'm using an android and iPhone > The Gmail app for Android works well. My problem is that it does top-reply, but maybe I need to check its settings. There is also app called BlueMail which I found to be good. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000607fe4060ab88ce9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AF= AM Joe B <jcb2023az@gmail.com= > wrote:
What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on m= y phone 99%=C2=A0of the time and reply to email also on Mobile.

I'm using an android and iPhone
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The Gmail app for Androi= d works well. My problem is that it does top-reply, but maybe I need to che= ck its settings.
There is also app called BlueMail which I found to be = good.

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Best regards,
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"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0= =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
[How= to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
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--000000000000607fe4060ab88ce9-- From nobody Wed Nov 22 07:25:30 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZt7g3jP7z522X1 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZt7g001kz4bTh for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=YVwsAJBz; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1700637935; x=1703229935; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=79iYZ6d8F8XVthOrKnIPVg9ryGnSc/pCQ8LAOcFLs1U=; b=YVwsAJBzX4eup3rGa90RbpI5Q+zrk1N6CXs3cW7g+6eYzDIoVVlAEUmAFqoXwYRFUq0PZRe/MQI0rcXsysLWwH6akPX2gwlirEehqrvZeMTPOMSFJ9V6pD7CIbGgr+ZUr/vx34qgp+PT1+OEjXxTGIh5mAj5E3Vz83YIQFZdy1o= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwNjAwMDVkY2VjYTQucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.h.in.socketlabs.com (r1.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.11]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:25:32 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:25:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r5hc3-0000xX-08 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:25:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:25:30 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20231122072530.304a87585d64c7a66955440c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20231121203038.9484f62455034022a4689468@sohara.org> <3iBOiWPRGGoYhPb_Ltwn3KwjPW_NE701ggmmmzGAP1WrWphOeZ0WNI7LMxmYdcCrALJEg3A8rWj8MQ2ztjU1kZYSC0iFnG7Zb7c6qXN_9yA=@proton.me> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5060005dceca4.e51c42d8af974d545f0ec35034f500cd@email-od.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZt7g001kz4bTh X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 00:22:45 +0100 (CET) iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Well, guess what, I am not using EFI. I thought this was only related to > EFI systems. So you needed to follow the example in gptzfsboot(8) (to which you were referred when you ran the zpool upgrade) viz: ===== To install gptzfsboot on the ada0 drive: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 ===== Next time don't FUCKING IMPLY THAT I'M LYING. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Wed Nov 22 07:44:59 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZtZ966GGz523rn for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZtZ91QPnz4fRb for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [62.216.209.198] (helo=pureos) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1r5huv-003ZkU-Q2; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:45:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:44:59 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: Joe B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , Joe B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT 1400094 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 62.216.209.198 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZtZ91QPnz4fRb El día miércoles, noviembre 22, 2023 a las 10:19:27 +0300, Odhiambo Washington escribió: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:02 AM Joe B wrote: > > > What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the > > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > > > I'm using an android and iPhone > > > > The Gmail app for Android works well. My problem is that it does top-reply, > but maybe I need to check its settings. > There is also app called BlueMail which I found to be good. > I do use the MUA mutt on my Linux mobile Purism L5. Just using it to reply in this thread. Works very well. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю Ñ Ð Ð¾ÑÑией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f400::/48]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZv4T5jqYz3Fn7 X-Spamd-Bar: -- On 11/21/23 21:49, David Christensen wrote: > On 11/21/23 11:51, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: >> ... upgrade ... >>    Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update >> the boot code. >>    See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >> >> I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? >> >>   I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even >> know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any >> way. >> >> So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after >> updating the zroot pool: >> >> ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog >> ZFS: pool zroot is not supported >> Can't find /boot/zfsloader >> Can't find /boot/loader >> Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel > > > On 11/21/23 13:10, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > > ... > > > https://www.daemonology.net/blog/2023-11-21-late-breaking-FreeBSD-14-breakage.html > > ... > > > On 11/21/23 15:22, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > > Enough with the assumptions! > > ... > > > I upgraded a ZFS boot pool and ZFS root pool last year, and encountered > a similar warning: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2022-July/001593.html > > > The following article was helpful for understanding the FreeBSD boot > process: > > https://klarasystems.com/articles/the-freebsd-boot-process/ > > > It might be possible to fix your FreeBSD instance: > > 1.  Study the klarasystems article and determine the boot loader > sequence for your computer, what stages/ files go where, and why. > > 2.  Boot FreeBSD installer media into a rescue shell. > > 3.  Crawl the FreeBSD installer shell script, following the path you > would take if you were installing FreeBSD on that computer.  Find the > sections of installer code that write boot loader files from the > installer media to various blocks on the system disk -- MBR, space > between MBR and first slice, slices, BSD partition(s), etc..  Compare > the installer files against disk blocks using cmp(1).  If you find > differences, write the installer files to the appropriate system disk > blocks with dd(1). Great to learn how things work, but unnecessary to fix the boot issue. It is either copy the working file to the efi partition or write gptzfsboot to the disk with gpart bootcode command. > 4.  If and when you get to installer files copied into a system disk ZFS > file system, stop and see if the previous steps fixed the boot issue. > > 5.  To access the system disk ZFS file systems, import the system disk > pool(s) using the '-R altroot' option to avoid confusion due to overlaid > file systems. Don't need to access ZFS file systems on the disk during this repair; the code read for booting happens before ZFS is understood and so will be on disk in places outside of ZFS. > I suggest taking an image of your system disk before attempting any of > the above. If there is ever doubt on what will happen next on a system, this is always the right approach. If there is a question to the filesystem integrity, clone all disk sectors as is and you know you can get back to where you are now as long as there isn't hardware failure involved. > Alternatively, remove the system disk, install a zeroed disk, do a fresh > install, and restore from backups. Unnecessary in the described scenario, but it certainly would fix the issue. > Beware of installing multiple disks with identically named ZFS pools -- > e.g. two system disks with pools "bootpool" and "zroot".  It is safer to > use the FreeBSD installer if you need to work on a ZFS system disk. Another fun gotcha is if you use zpool send+zpool receive to write a backup of a boot disk to removable media instead of writing the datastream as a file to the backup media, you get to learn about the fun of when your backup mounted in place of the live system because its properties said for it to be mounted there. I make modifications to zfs properties on the receiving side to fix that and some other issues+desires but suspect there are more things I have to learn in this space. > David > > From nobody Wed Nov 22 08:32:41 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZvdM5FG2z527Fw for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SZvdM2tlmz3KJK for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [IPV6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528A7FD8A0; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:32:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4b4528ce-4988-489d-bbba-7bb98f230adc@qeng-ho.org> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 07:32:41 -0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Email Client Content-Language: en-GB To: Joe B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Arthur Chance In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZvdM2tlmz3KJK On 21/11/2023 22:00, Joe B wrote: > What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > I'm using an android and iPhone I use Android phones and I've used K9 mail since I got a smart phone. It has the advantage that it can be set to bottom posting and, if you know what you're doing, it can be used for intercalated replies. I use the standard Android app for Gmail, but that's only an emergency backup address for me. -- We build our computer systems the way we build our cities; over time, without a plan, on top of ruins. — Ellen Ullman From nobody Wed Nov 22 09:09:21 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZwRc4V1mz51Bd5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=b4B4=HD=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SZwRc2Lmpz3PYg for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=b4B4=HD=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from x1 (94.105.106.186.dyn.edpnet.net [94.105.106.186]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6489280DF; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:09:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:09:21 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: iio7@tutanota.com Cc: Freebsd Questions Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-ID: <2vflelhrsbgjqugac6obgxof2jz6ih6o35j6bc7rewd7ymotvf@opwc25obe5vp> References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ozoem46nemnxrnbd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SZwRc2Lmpz3PYg --ozoem46nemnxrnbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 08:51:01PM +0100, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: > Take a look at how it's done on OpenBSD! Take a look at have it's done on= Arch Linux! >=20 > When there is something that is going to break something during an upgrad= e, you get timely information and a step by step instruction in what to do = - BEFORE you do it! >=20 > Something like this doesn't help! > =C2=A0 Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update= the boot code. > =C2=A0 See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >=20 > I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? if you're on EFI you should update the ESP with the updated loader.efi, that's not new. you can do something like:=20 for p in $(gpart show -p|tr -s ' '|grep 'efi'|cut -d ' ' -f 4) ; do echo $p= ; newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 /dev/$p ; mount -t msdosfs -o rw /dev/$p /mnt ; mk= dir -p /mnt/efi/boot; mkdir -p /mnt/efi/freebsd ; cp /boot/loader.efi /mnt/= efi/boot/bootx64.efi ; cp /boot/loader.efi /mnt/efi/freebsd/loader.efi ; sl= eep 3 ; umount /m nt ; done >=20 > I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even know w= hat that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any way. >=20 > So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after updati= ng the zroot pool: >=20 > ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog > ZFS: pool zroot is not supported > Can't find /boot/zfsloader > Can't find /boot/loader > Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: Odhiambo Washington , Joe B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> X-Location: =?utf-8?B?IkVhcnRoL+WcsOeQgyI=?= X-Operating-System: "GNU/Linux" References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h756hpzykxik5mdi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231103 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.90 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[076.ne.jp:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[076.ne.jp:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.192.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fair.moe]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sb1bQ2ZV2z4J0P X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --h756hpzykxik5mdi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFAM Joe B wrote: > What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > I'm using an android and iPhone Neomutt is the way to go, no need for anything inferior. But if you insist on using a consumer toy (Android or iPhone), try some SSH app (I have neither Android nor iOS, so no idea which one), and connect to an actual computer with Neomutt on it. --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. For instructions on how to encrypt your emails: https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html --h756hpzykxik5mdi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEozVhUpXECiNYIKIXtWNzC1Y29b0FAmVd+6cACgkQtWNzC1Y2 9b3TJAv9GDTodUlAWxNhaUHE7Zr1Td1zcc7CXFY2OTHoa1EuEok7T/AlauwJcgpn dTQs+P43VP6UNl5V7fBGZCvDSxBvSuGd9/0bvWxF+kYzRe1yBlYaMB1NP7qylsOW 9refCTAF1ceXiBtMaLD4LN5A9Q85v2VyPTHuravo86+wFbCQVwWhy0/csyd+tN+P r5918q+T99hxkA3Lk2cB0uBwv3/rQbuTtvyii2EUbrvk/BvrkN1lVzaFVTi4MAq5 JQIzx+4mHzinsfl4hkuUPpoh1L2dan6BfO2BIMPVG+tFrfSaqkcVGN5rwYP0dDq9 qNI8AzjAqbrAotjMrkoWXSdblv3cXgVkmsfqCO8fchuqmbS1u26vpexTVXu495B1 7l+0gMpxNsvKRarUxDm9mJ9oG2WMfQRiABnWP0gqOr3Ap+u6sM6bKAzaQPqgZeXF rwRIA4STzwvp1GhVPzpK/YVECtvgXOuUSwsxH7i14q0cxshJnmJjG/uub1biRXic 0EECsRkF =olg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h756hpzykxik5mdi-- From nobody Wed Nov 22 13:01:27 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sb1bS5m09z51Ypj for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [45.76.218.69]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sb1bQ2ZVvz4JJd for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=076.ne.jp header.s=dkim header.b=QKHfAGQe; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lain@fair.moe has no SPF policy when checking 45.76.218.69) smtp.mailfrom=lain@fair.moe; dmarc=none Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sb1bG2SBpzW0mn for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:01:30 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=076.ne.jp; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:to:from:date; s= dkim; t=1700658089; x=1703250090; bh=rS+KOyGZOHk567XxM/rts0omQkE DAgl2t8PkMrNmXug=; b=QKHfAGQePBWXnFgRr4PMqCMmzQydNuMWXj79zq7erbH GevCGQ/Iw4b6iYrgpJTjmAx9Ssui23Vaf8ICer5wZvcJkwIdBwPDq1h+2uXY/b71 VhhhBwQLdToX/FTAwSbUzoUYUG1zJCli0o4NZ6WaHdC6aNBgToNlrYN4rL6B+9LJ xPq45F9EGl4qt5UucsjAKy3UCZSId0v6K3QRJmBCiOSwd0T59HzaKC7gf7nppBTr uTMxS+mZDFXQgYcVxrrFQcUTZ5IFz27WrvSBO3coGtFxW/Cn2EmslDv4fGuQkrSA E+f/KTEh0QH3Q6QegAmXwCSzFg0JyNBB3CLGLfERkzA== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at guest.guest Received: from mail.076.ne.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Qj0PKsgHslyL for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:01:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.fair.moe (FL1-61-203-115-129.chb.mesh.ad.jp [61.203.115.129]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Sb1bF2Yd5zW0mB; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:01:29 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:01:27 +0900 From: "lain." To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: Odhiambo Washington , Joe B , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> X-Location: =?utf-8?B?IkVhcnRoL+WcsOeQgyI=?= X-Operating-System: "GNU/Linux" References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h756hpzykxik5mdi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231103 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.90 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[076.ne.jp:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[076.ne.jp:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.192.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fair.moe]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sb1bQ2ZVvz4JJd X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --h756hpzykxik5mdi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 2:02=E2=80=AFAM Joe B wrote: > What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the > time and reply to email also on Mobile. > > I'm using an android and iPhone Neomutt is the way to go, no need for anything inferior. But if you insist on using a consumer toy (Android or iPhone), try some SSH app (I have neither Android nor iOS, so no idea which one), and connect to an actual computer with Neomutt on it. --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. For instructions on how to encrypt your emails: https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html --h756hpzykxik5mdi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEozVhUpXECiNYIKIXtWNzC1Y29b0FAmVd+6cACgkQtWNzC1Y2 9b3TJAv9GDTodUlAWxNhaUHE7Zr1Td1zcc7CXFY2OTHoa1EuEok7T/AlauwJcgpn dTQs+P43VP6UNl5V7fBGZCvDSxBvSuGd9/0bvWxF+kYzRe1yBlYaMB1NP7qylsOW 9refCTAF1ceXiBtMaLD4LN5A9Q85v2VyPTHuravo86+wFbCQVwWhy0/csyd+tN+P r5918q+T99hxkA3Lk2cB0uBwv3/rQbuTtvyii2EUbrvk/BvrkN1lVzaFVTi4MAq5 JQIzx+4mHzinsfl4hkuUPpoh1L2dan6BfO2BIMPVG+tFrfSaqkcVGN5rwYP0dDq9 qNI8AzjAqbrAotjMrkoWXSdblv3cXgVkmsfqCO8fchuqmbS1u26vpexTVXu495B1 7l+0gMpxNsvKRarUxDm9mJ9oG2WMfQRiABnWP0gqOr3Ap+u6sM6bKAzaQPqgZeXF rwRIA4STzwvp1GhVPzpK/YVECtvgXOuUSwsxH7i14q0cxshJnmJjG/uub1biRXic 0EECsRkF =olg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h756hpzykxik5mdi-- From nobody Wed Nov 22 13:55:15 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sb2nM28V3z51fj5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sb2nM0Ht6z4P72 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [212.222.85.178] (helo=pureos) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1r5nhF-00AutA-4P; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:55:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:55:15 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: "lain." Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Odhiambo Washington , Joe B Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: <20231122135515.jhp4l3yg37u7v6vv@pureos> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT 1400094 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. References: <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 212.222.85.178 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sb2nM0Ht6z4P72 El día miércoles, noviembre 22, 2023 a las 10:01:27 +0900, lain. escribió: > Neomutt is the way to go, no need for anything inferior. > But if you insist on using a consumer toy (Android or iPhone), try some > SSH app (I have neither Android nor iOS, so no idea which one), and > connect to an actual computer with Neomutt on it. lain, This is from the index page in mutt: 21 nov 22 HQ-spotthestati (1,9K) SpotTheStation 22 L nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (6,8K) Re: Email Client 23 sL nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (9,7K) `-> 24 nov 22 Matthias Apitz (1,1K) test neomut in neomutt in the terminal app (kingscross) the chars `-> are not shown. Any idea, why? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю Ñ Ð Ð¾ÑÑией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. 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Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Odhiambo Washington , Joe B Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.55.240 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.904]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[178.254.4.101:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:178.254.4.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[unixarea.de]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[guru@unixarea.de]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42730, ipnet:178.254.0.0/19, country:DE]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sb3jy37J9z4VKK X-Spamd-Bar: -- El día miércoles, noviembre 22, 2023 a las 02:55:15p. m. +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió: > El día miércoles, noviembre 22, 2023 a las 10:01:27 +0900, lain. escribió: > > > Neomutt is the way to go, no need for anything inferior. > > But if you insist on using a consumer toy (Android or iPhone), try some > > SSH app (I have neither Android nor iOS, so no idea which one), and > > connect to an actual computer with Neomutt on it. > > lain, > > This is from the index page in mutt: > > 21 nov 22 HQ-spotthestati (1,9K) SpotTheStation > 22 L nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (6,8K) Re: Email Client > 23 sL nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (9,7K) `-> > 24 nov 22 Matthias Apitz (1,1K) test neomut > > in neomutt in the terminal app (kingscross) the chars `-> are not shown. > Any idea, why? Thanks Update: this does has to do with character representation in the terminal app, because my new mail to this thread is now shown now as: 21 nov 22 HQ-spotthestati (1,9K) SpotTheStation 22 L nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (6,8K) Re: Email Client 23 sL nov 22 Cc freebsd-ques (9,7K) 24 nov 22 Matthias Apitz (1,1K) `-> It must have to do with how neomutt interprets the threading. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю Ñ Ð Ð¾ÑÑией. Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland. 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I'm on my phone 99% of the >time and reply to email also on Mobile. > >I'm using an android and iPhone On android, I find using the provider's web frontend, or, if your email provider has one, their own android app, works best. It'll be designed both for their own email implementation and its use within the android environment. I set mine to use plain txt for mailing lists. Never owned an iphone so can't comment there. -- From nobody Wed Nov 22 20:00:03 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbBtN29SBz51kMl for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx2.dismail.de (mx2.dismail.de [159.69.191.136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbBtM2H3sz4MXp for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=qhHRDBb4; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lumiwa@dismail.de designates 159.69.191.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lumiwa@dismail.de; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de Received: from mx2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e06da906 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:00:08 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=dismail.de; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=20190914; bh=xW/zRG4BhDexhdpGnv8n0 m3DD/09uPSaP7KnG3P5U+k=; b=qhHRDBb4KDF7QpxFABkkeOwWzz1Hn1WQvkbjV WCKfB/XWDlGW38eZFog2RLypYuuVLJzMkGUx1n6q7txraGImH9iEVGtbiWKkuAC1 YC3SR0e/rzYIUZArTqU2iUMx4gY5D3rkpeJZ3mA3M7eXahUrawYV1AT8ya0o8VAt O4qtoSiS9IOkz6PBlCMnW62D1oPcVlFMUWr99dnm0TOuuGVflOAo3q78at3GxTS7 n1aDLwdZ5tRh2AcOtpj6qUm3fTTQaOzCQT3U23cMpjbJxIKPrBHR2wobGtHn3/gH YtXl3RmN8gLjwPwN7oyObW8RW9LQX7fmJbpSBZqm9nnv77xgg== Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0c67ed59 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:00:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2ad44d49 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:00:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 082c58b9 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:00:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:00:03 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: planning to upgrade to 14.0 Message-ID: <20231122150003.143c252e@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.69 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:159.69.191.136]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[159.69.191.136:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:159.69.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbBtM2H3sz4MXp X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Hi! I am running FreeBSD 13.2 RELEASE p5 and I have time this week for upgrade. As all the time I will use freebsd-update. It is a laptop which I am using as desktop computer. I am confused about notes: " Systems running 12.4-RELEASE or 13.2-RELEASE can upgrade as follows: # freebsd-update fetch # freebsd-update install Now the freebsd-update(8) utility can fetch bits belonging to 14.0-RELEASE. During this process freebsd-update(8) will ask for help in merging configuration files. I did run freebsd-update fetch but there are nothing to install. It is to early and files are not exist or I do not need them and I should just run=20 freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.0-RELEASE And my hard disk: gpart show =3D> 40 500118112 nvd0 GPT (238G) 40 532480 1 efi (260M) 532520 490201088 2 freebsd-ufs (234G) 490733608 8388608 3 freebsd-swap (4.0G) 499122216 995936 - free - (486M) Thank you in advance. --=20 =E2=80=9CLife shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Anais Nin=20 From nobody Wed Nov 22 20:25:01 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbCRG4KPpz51pXn for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbCRF4Lywz4T5K for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=LV6BKYNV; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1700684714; x=1703276714; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=ejtFLHNxEDkLD0kua1JSCxtZ+S74ghUv7+TlETVy7zI=; b=LV6BKYNV1IPD2ldVhsIDEGOhlfIzywsNQ+jMHytm7wnk2UQM+588mPoI4TCC/UxcEBmhjKFa3gKUWgkSFKyXYEgV7rLPF/QgC+yganF9pfKqdAn434tJa7fqvatb2idlm7QuhAgAzBMKQiWqbCDcR5rIfryXM9FYkdTIJB6wImQ= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwNjAwMDVmNjk1ZTMucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:25:03 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:25:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r5tmR-0002Ya-2P for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:01 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: planning to upgrade to 14.0 Message-Id: <20231122202501.689102fed7d4844797811977@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20231122150003.143c252e@dismail.de> References: <20231122150003.143c252e@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5060005f695e3.6a6068063ad3e529592fee8d1fd12e94@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.3:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbCRF4Lywz4T5K X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:00:03 -0500 LuMiWa wrote: > Systems running 12.4-RELEASE or 13.2-RELEASE can upgrade as follows: > > # freebsd-update fetch > # freebsd-update install This is just in case you are not fully up to date in your current installation - there was a bug found in freebsd-update because a file in 13.2 and earlier became a directory in 14.0 and freebsd-update didn't handle it. So it is important that your old release is fully up to date before attempting to upgrade to 14.0. > Now the freebsd-update(8) utility can fetch bits belonging to > 14.0-RELEASE. During this process freebsd-update(8) will ask for help > in merging configuration files. > > I did run freebsd-update fetch but there are nothing to install. It is > to early and files are not exist or I do not need them and I should > just run If there was nothing to install then you should be fine to go ahead with the normal upgrade. > freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.0-RELEASE > > And my hard disk: > > gpart show => 40 500118112 nvd0 GPT (238G) > 40 532480 1 efi (260M) > 532520 490201088 2 freebsd-ufs (234G) > 490733608 8388608 3 freebsd-swap (4.0G) > 499122216 995936 - free - (486M) You're running UFS so you don't need to worry about the ZFS changes and the need to update the boot loader before you upgrade the ZFS pool. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Wed Nov 22 21:03:07 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbDH74vVHz51xcj for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbDH71Zy4z4Z0N for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 68348f8c; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=dismail.de; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=20190914; bh=043z3fXB DtODqnKcBOVIE/JCL8S1zs0tcYUnRK/NMUM=; b=m0v6/y6qKIQarFLZWxXAYVQm 8WNOi+3tjWM6OoJPD29YaW8XQ5luss+Lh1zNlIx7ZebFCE9zvZMz0AQJnvRCdcRC 2v2eKQipa1jj0DdUarqqztwKpjkm/FOKkarbF01V+w0D/fdr9Pe1dwe4moalymt9 JSAvuVeJ8RTcUUPdFHy5aVMZCjPsw9yz2gF7iAi5g19ConUXNoCJLWke4rWlLlR5 EvxqFQN2ssyR1OfWHlLmTsTSCuBzJ9XMCKIM7OrksHoe1duPhB7mUL4nRqNzno0H pLVxV0Ol5u3uq4OjYcpQMFwjciQAR1c2e4JiBpN/nRi7far5TbtNHwy6LOi6Hg== Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a72de69c; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ec5a8837; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 68c23166 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 22 Nov 2023 22:03:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:03:07 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: planning to upgrade to 14.0 Message-ID: <20231122160307.14c1c64f@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20231122202501.689102fed7d4844797811977@sohara.org> References: <20231122150003.143c252e@dismail.de> <20231122202501.689102fed7d4844797811977@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbDH71Zy4z4Z0N On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:25:01 +0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:00:03 -0500 > LuMiWa wrote: >=20 > > Systems running 12.4-RELEASE or 13.2-RELEASE can upgrade as follows: > >=20 > > # freebsd-update fetch > > # freebsd-update install >=20 > This is just in case you are not fully up to date in your > current installation - there was a bug found in freebsd-update > because a file in 13.2 and earlier became a directory in 14.0 and > freebsd-update didn't handle it. So it is important that your old > release is fully up to date before attempting to upgrade to 14.0. >=20 > > Now the freebsd-update(8) utility can fetch bits belonging to > > 14.0-RELEASE. During this process freebsd-update(8) will ask for > > help in merging configuration files. > >=20 > > I did run freebsd-update fetch but there are nothing to install. It > > is to early and files are not exist or I do not need them and I > > should just run=20 >=20 > If there was nothing to install then you should be fine to go > ahead with the normal upgrade. >=20 > > freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.0-RELEASE > >=20 > > And my hard disk: > >=20 > > gpart show =3D> 40 500118112 nvd0 GPT (238G) > > 40 532480 1 efi (260M) > > 532520 490201088 2 freebsd-ufs (234G) > > 490733608 8388608 3 freebsd-swap (4.0G) > > 499122216 995936 - free - (486M) >=20 > You're running UFS so you don't need to worry about the ZFS > changes and the need to update the boot loader before you upgrade the > ZFS pool. >=20 Thank you very much. It was so fast :) --=20 =E2=80=9CLife shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Anais Nin=20 From nobody Wed Nov 22 23:16:03 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbHDc0mB9z51RDQ for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbHDZ6472z4vbn for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 23:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=AzMHMRhL; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 184.105.128.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1700694972; bh=iPRbqJvK2Tvm/stQY0RG2IGPFJRBqDlwDQWaI4d9b8U=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject: Content-Language:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AzMHMRhLDix+M5H+VDYb6iu1xfmDuHsZXSEZVouE2VRd0+aIBYJBBo2nyNdaRNxhc m5O7KDVQgS2Nisff5D6xznR488yf+UrsKCNMCw1bT4h58mu0seWnMB2vPHjLwVQ1aD nvjNnvHCICfKK8SlIF8tR8XHWOrZCFyvhdNbS0OLLnDr1eAbWuJZYBLFR2j0oegRsE Sd3vYzbKfVNJoDuVnOfe+tN1k/AK/fxAvmWL3ayCBr7CXkHODALWyLTzVawtu1NjRw cVH+zoOK2fogdRTUqqUEM7xRIJV0f4bSUJ6mXcGHOlFXNbV18Kxv9YuAhbLHcfb54t OL+qD4w4beUIiiM8136BsgQYhbG9lYk0p74uv7+kz9FSoIO5GD1a7TKAG6ZcIE7HAk z6oJOOONYSMp8A9KcdJ7jFS/BRRt9lmiH0ND+c4xLmPU5q5Odtagvb4HhbLa8RMtmQ 0hD9gHVYI1z7jNEMuPwELnbLx5EZAJf1ckwZ4I2htlBd5HZoffTYO2j3XhhFOV6YIL 8Q+SlK5KMU/R1bw/g0BwL2QVyyHWzMNkvlqzrf25RhpbUkRPi4RTCK6LR8OY77Wu6W CskgeR+cim2AMX732aaNKYN24nxzIuC0wabpofUTi1yZQRsV5K25MyaAVn6uUc7xyA U7n9ia8etrkQp0DWMgpRvuPQ= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:16:12 -0800 Message-ID: <2a732fe6-9967-4c8a-93ff-552d2934ce43@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:16:03 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.87 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbHDZ6472z4vbn X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 11/22/23 00:07, Edward Sanford Sutton, III wrote: > On 11/21/23 21:49, David Christensen wrote: >> On 11/21/23 11:51, iio7@tutanota.com wrote: >>> ... upgrade ... >>>    Pool 'zroot' has the bootfs property set, you might need to update >>> the boot code. >>>    See gptzfsboot(8) and loader.efi(8) for details. >>> >>> I might need to update the boot code!? WTF does that even mean? >>> >>>   I never touched any boot code during installation so I don't even >>> know what that is! And reading those man pages did NOT help me in any >>> way. >>> >>> So now I got a box that's borked with this beautiful message after >>> updating the zroot pool: >>> >>> ZFS: unsupported feature: com.delphix:head_errlog >>> ZFS: pool zroot is not supported >>> Can't find /boot/zfsloader >>> Can't find /boot/loader >>> Can't find /boot/kernel/kernel >> >> >> 3.  Crawl the FreeBSD installer shell script, following the path you >> would take if you were installing FreeBSD on that computer.  Find the >> sections of installer code that write boot loader files from the >> installer media to various blocks on the system disk -- MBR, space >> between MBR and first slice, slices, BSD partition(s), etc..  Compare >> the installer files against disk blocks using cmp(1).  If you find >> differences, write the installer files to the appropriate system disk >> blocks with dd(1). > > Great to learn how things work, but unnecessary to fix the boot issue. > It is either copy the working file to the efi partition or write > gptzfsboot to the disk with gpart bootcode command. Thank you for the reply. :-) I assume those procedures can be applied to a ZFS-on-root system disk by booting FreeBSD installer media (?). Can you please provide a URL to documentation that explains the concepts and provides example commands? >> 4.  If and when you get to installer files copied into a system disk >> ZFS file system, stop and see if the previous steps fixed the boot issue. >> >> 5.  To access the system disk ZFS file systems, import the system disk >> pool(s) using the '-R altroot' option to avoid confusion due to >> overlaid file systems. > > Don't need to access ZFS file systems on the disk during this repair; > the code read for booting happens before ZFS is understood and so will > be on disk in places outside of ZFS. I suspected as much; that is why I added item #4. But, I wanted to include #5 and the "-R altroot" warning just in case any goes there. But, I forgot to mention the ESP (I use BIOS/MBR). >> I suggest taking an image of your system disk before attempting any of >> the above. > > If there is ever doubt on what will happen next on a system, this is > always the right approach. If there is a question to the filesystem > integrity, clone all disk sectors as is and you know you can get back to > where you are now as long as there isn't hardware failure involved. +1 >> Alternatively, remove the system disk, install a zeroed disk, do a >> fresh install, and restore from backups. > > Unnecessary in the described scenario, but it certainly would fix the > issue. Restoring an undamaged image is my preferred method -- the more recent the image the better. So, I take images immediately before updating/ upgrading, doing significant reconfiguration, or attempting anything risky. >> Beware of installing multiple disks with identically named ZFS pools >> -- e.g. two system disks with pools "bootpool" and "zroot".  It is >> safer to use the FreeBSD installer if you need to work on a ZFS system >> disk. > > Another fun gotcha is if you use zpool send+zpool receive to write a > backup of a boot disk to removable media instead of writing the > datastream as a file to the backup media, you get to learn about the fun > of when your backup mounted in place of the live system because its > properties said for it to be mounted there. I make modifications to zfs > properties on the receiving side to fix that and some other > issues+desires but suspect there are more things I have to learn in this > space. That sounds like cloning via replication, but with modifications in-flight (?). Working on that experiment should improve your understanding of ZFS imports and mounts, ZFS properties, and other ZFS details. 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Thanks No idea, never had this problem in the Gnome Terminal on postmarketOS, neither can I remember having it in KingsCross on Mobian back when I =20 used that. Could as well be a locale issue, like how Japanese Windows users can't see backslashes (\), they see a yen sign (=C2=A5) instead. --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. 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You are all wonderful, but my email = servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why=3F God Bless =C2=A0 =C2=A0 James Miller (425) 471-8101 www.electionhope.com (http://www.electionhope.com) www.os3.org (http://www.os3.org) =22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22 =C2=A0 On 2023-11-22 16:00, lain. wrote: > On 2023=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8822=E6=97=A5 14:55, the silly Matthias Apitz = claimed to have said: > > in neomutt in the terminal app (kingscross) the chars =60-> are not= shown. > > Any idea, why=3F Thanks > > No idea, never had this problem in the Gnome Terminal on postmarketOS, > neither can I remember having it in KingsCross on Mobian back when I = =20 > used that. > Could as well be a locale issue, like how Japanese Windows users can't > see backslashes (=5C), they see a yen sign (=C2=A5) instead. > > -- =20 > lain. > > Did you know that=3F > 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, a= nd it's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet=3F > Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerabl= e information without proper PGP encryption=21 > > If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP = encrypted emails for security reasons. > You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc > > Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. > If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email cl= ient, because yours just sucks. > > My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. > =46or instructions on how to encrypt your emails: > https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html --655eaaf2_74e70b71_db7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my e= mail servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why=3F God Bless
 
 James Miller
(425) 471-8101
=22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22
 
On 2023-11-22 16:00, lain. <lain=40fair.moe> wrote:
On 2023=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8822=E6=97=A5 14:55, the silly Matthias Api=
tz claimed to have said:
> in neomutt in the terminal app (kingsc=
ross) the chars =60-> are not shown.
> Any idea, why=3F Thanks=


No idea, never had this problem in the Gnome Terminal on post=
marketOS,
neither can I remember having it in KingsCross on Mobian b=
ack when I  
used that.
Could as well be a locale issue, like h=
ow Japanese Windows users can't
see backslashes (=5C), they see a ye=
n sign (=C2=A5) instead.

-- 
lain.

Did you kno=
w that=3F
90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in =
plain text, and it's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the=
 internet=3F
Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or =
other volunerable information without proper PGP encryption=21

If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP e=
ncrypted emails for security reasons.
You can find my PGP public key=
 at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc

Every good email client is able=
 to send encrypted emails.
If yours can't, then you should consider =
switching to a secure email client, because yours just sucks.

=
My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt.
=46or instructions on =
how to encrypt your emails:
https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-t=
utorial.html
--655eaaf2_74e70b71_db7-- From nobody Thu Nov 23 02:58:08 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbN8p4sYJz52DpV for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbN8n4dDCz4Dbr for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=NSri2a8e; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=panix.com Received: from rain.cave (c-73-142-21-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.142.21.0]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbN8g1nXQzkWB for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:58:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1700708291; bh=Ci4x+6iYjx06hArpd6zdKen3Uaksbno7ZRQeiPdQb5A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=NSri2a8eUXg9quJ28erwMgMXPfuLpf6pHkR5fDHosSouQlati4erm7wA5wThbTT5q IgZRES8x0LH45LEig8gbOUgvxJBB0Z9UC8D+6ldK7n7NjmZsV855pkSGutu10agYWt un5Kn/K/JTVUZ03GukfLDbJbRLf93ZF0EL2H/K/c= Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:58:08 -0500 From: Kurt Hackenberg To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: References: <20231122135515.jhp4l3yg37u7v6vv@pureos> <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> <193608ac-6428-447b-bfb1-271dc6bec6e4@OS3> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <193608ac-6428-447b-bfb1-271dc6bec6e4@OS3> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.75 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.653]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[panix.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.1.64/26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[166.84.1.89:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbN8n4dDCz4Dbr X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote: >How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my >email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why? God Bless Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including this: List-Unsubscribe: From nobody Thu Nov 23 03:23:05 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbNjm5dGhz52JZ2 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbNjl5hqZz4Hh6 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbNjb4r5gz2fjVc for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Problem upgrading to 14 Message-Id: <552FE20D-43B7-494A-ABD5-5180731B6975@sermon-archive.info> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:23:05 -0800 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.1.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.39 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.791]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbNjl5hqZz4Hh6 X-Spamd-Bar: -- I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade to = 14 using freebsd-update. The first thing I did was a freebsd-update = fetch and then install to get the latest. Then the upgrade to 14.0. I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory. I thought that = the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that. After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung. Upon plugging in a = display, I got messages about ZFS. This system is using UFS. Nothing = appeared to be going on. I rebooted the system and reran the = freebsd-update install. Got the 3 previous messages again. However, = near the end I got a lot of messages: /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/ no such file or directory. Install finished and the system seems to work. I am wondering if = install got partially complete and those last messages are for things = that were installed the first time. =20 After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug = 273661 and that seems to work. i don't use C++ so not sure. I have a = few more 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems. -- Doug From nobody Thu Nov 23 04:42:02 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbQSk23bgz51MLJ for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 04:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbQSj5Tq8z4WxS for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 04:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbQSh6BqJz2fjVc for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Problem upgrading to 14 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 20:42:02 -0800 References: <552FE20D-43B7-494A-ABD5-5180731B6975@sermon-archive.info> To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <552FE20D-43B7-494A-ABD5-5180731B6975@sermon-archive.info> Message-Id: <53587263-89D7-46FD-834E-D56744C9F260@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.1.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.55 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.946]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbQSj5Tq8z4WxS X-Spamd-Bar: -- > On Nov 22, 2023, at 19:23, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 > I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade = to 14 using freebsd-update. The first thing I did was a freebsd-update = fetch and then install to get the latest. Then the upgrade to 14.0. >=20 > I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory. I thought = that the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that. >=20 > After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung. Upon plugging in = a display, I got messages about ZFS. This system is using UFS. Nothing = appeared to be going on. I rebooted the system and reran the = freebsd-update install. Got the 3 previous messages again. However, = near the end I got a lot of messages: >=20 > /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/ no such file or = directory. >=20 > Install finished and the system seems to work. I am wondering if = install got partially complete and those last messages are for things = that were installed the first time. =20 >=20 > After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug = 273661 and that seems to work. i don't use C++ so not sure. I have a = few more 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems. It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is = causing the problem or how to fix it. # pkg upgrade Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 =20 Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 =20 pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' pkg: No signature found Unable to update repository FreeBSD Error updating repositories! From nobody Thu Nov 23 05:04:29 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbQyZ404Hz51RVc for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbQyY3xj1z4bH7 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=ip01HDVe; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=panix.com Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-73-142-21-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.142.21.0]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbQyX40fxznGG for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:04:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1700715876; bh=Nw9kA2c4pgoZVO2Ct2POKNIFUWbD+pORxkUxHetrbdM=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=ip01HDVeuF7U3UmUL6mDbjiZGxuEQdXzCZltBJkvB4OudSHjo3cnXHPiEwUU7W8H/ YikJqNdyxG5v1W3ojWw234s3kSnB2rYEBBIyjvCzkGO8lGGl3EwYnh4F7IDcNyr8Ni eToMkNim3b+kcCKTQsO1o7ipfCaSBFjNoIx+T6l0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:04:29 -0500 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Problem upgrading to 14 Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <552FE20D-43B7-494A-ABD5-5180731B6975@sermon-archive.info> <53587263-89D7-46FD-834E-D56744C9F260@sermon-archive.info> From: Kurt Hackenberg In-Reply-To: <53587263-89D7-46FD-834E-D56744C9F260@sermon-archive.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.09 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[panix.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.1.64/26:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[166.84.1.89:from]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbQyY3xj1z4bH7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On 2023/11/22 23:42, Doug Hardie wrote: > It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is causing the problem or how to fix it. > > # pkg upgrade > Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... > Fetching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 > Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 > pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' > pkg: No signature found > Unable to update repository FreeBSD > Error updating repositories! Write error. Filesystem full? Or mounted read-only for some reason? From nobody Thu Nov 23 05:24:51 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbRQ71prBz51Wc4 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbRQ63ctpz4fQF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbRQ54SHxz2fjVc; Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:25:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Problem upgrading to 14 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 21:24:51 -0800 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C4447BD-5597-4F28-99A4-4EF857B643B4@sermon-archive.info> References: <552FE20D-43B7-494A-ABD5-5180731B6975@sermon-archive.info> <53587263-89D7-46FD-834E-D56744C9F260@sermon-archive.info> To: Kurt Hackenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.1.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbRQ63ctpz4fQF > On Nov 22, 2023, at 21:04, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: >=20 > On 2023/11/22 23:42, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >> It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is = causing the problem or how to fix it. >> # pkg upgrade >> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... >> Fetching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 >> Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 >> pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' >> pkg: No signature found >> Unable to update repository FreeBSD >> Error updating repositories! >=20 > Write error. Filesystem full? Or mounted read-only for some reason? There lies the problem. It's not obvious, but I found some info out on = the web eventually. /tmp is mounted as a very small tmpfs. Apparently = it is overflowing. Increasing the size from 50m to 128 m solved the = problem. I believe the default value in the distribution needs to be = changed. I'll file a PR although none of mine have ever received any = attention. -- Doug From nobody Thu Nov 23 05:35:34 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbRfR38g0z51YgQ for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbRfQ6cXMz3CND for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=r6fj9riM; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=panix.com Received: from rain.cave (c-73-142-21-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.142.21.0]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SbRfQ36HTzp84 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:35:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1700717742; bh=c1j1GMhrsH8ASG+9zitZOPf+d1tT4aB/RLQV+6Tbwzs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=r6fj9riMlnG7AWJry0AFBZtxjD/9txZMmzvvuAxXkULq1x0WdmTAc7UG7b20Ptw9m r9uBYLFq531fOeyA24PFEUPHVx5UIqPDJWINQL5FikO7/LMvDIw2YRxo9jDTInPd8q MCDXlnF77/2o/cbIt5xgLaNIYSzI2WNT14/vbpH0= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 00:35:34 -0500 From: Kurt Hackenberg To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client Message-ID: References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[panix.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.1.64/26:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[166.84.1.89:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbRfQ6cXMz3CND X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:17:02PM +0000, void wrote: >On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 03:00:31PM -0800, Joe B wrote: >>What's a good mobile email Client for lists? I'm on my phone 99% of the >>time and reply to email also on Mobile. >> >>I'm using an android and iPhone > >On android, I find using the provider's web frontend, or, if your >email provider has one, their own android app, works best. It'll be >designed both for their own email implementation and its use within the >android environment. I set mine to use plain txt for mailing lists. Plain text -- fixed-length lines, about 70-80 characters -- usually is not displayed correctly on a phone, whose screen is narrower than that. You could turn the phone sideways, and hope that the mail reader rotates with it. Some do, some don't. text/plain format=flowed (RFC 3676) can be automatically word-wrapped to fit the screen, if the mail reader knows to do that. (Both this message and void's message that it replies to, are text/plain format=flowed.) I hear that Gmail's app for Android does not either understand flowed text or rotate. I hear that Apple's iPhone mail reader does both. From nobody Thu Nov 23 08:01:27 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbVtg3hxGz526sP for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbVtf5vhqz3X15 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=free.fr header.s=smtp-20201208 header.b=auW3QgH1; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of olivier.freebsd@free.fr designates 2a01:e0c:1:1599::11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=olivier.freebsd@free.fr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=free.fr Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [90.118.140.172]) (Authenticated sender: olivier.freebsd@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F2CC32005A0 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:01:27 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1700726488; bh=AT3KgmvXuZrmndU6m18FNKdv/YS9cgVKbHUcl1VjhLM=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=auW3QgH1uj77NqGKK2wVPlL+3kKnS1cK2Nd8Ba5H2uAmlucx0ELOZkv0VSnvqFyNE Q3pQ7AhvGH5cu5WzFGZ42fiDBC0cNd46ZiHMUJYQEVIrnKBgQWcTEmCZL/Xt3qHHPQ ObBv0XxOBVcmc0lE9zzSYBqE8S8vl1/zIJ7Y0bM/Z1vod0v1KIyHJ2aEEblBXYNdhE 9vcjVc2tiU4ZcOCiNYkSIXZig5dkRnoawvi2Rlk9A/urqlbiFETNhLruqSzbji065y Ht+AavTuSu8DsRe7dDnLn7TvL9lIMsPJCvBa92TRcb5YwJ6vxyY6VqPuPfS9vzLhJA +UdbtzfSjeUxg== From: Olivier Certner To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:01:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1781224.E1bnfOMcs6@ravel> In-Reply-To: References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.90 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[free.fr,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[free.fr:s=smtp-20201208]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[free.fr:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[free.fr]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[free.fr:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[free.fr]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:2a01:e00::/26, country:FR]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbVtf5vhqz3X15 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Hi, > Another fun gotcha is if you use zpool send+zpool receive to write a > backup of a boot disk to removable media instead of writing the > datastream as a file to the backup media, you get to learn about the fun > of when your backup mounted in place of the live system because its > properties said for it to be mounted there. I make modifications to zfs > properties on the receiving side to fix that and some other > issues+desires but suspect there are more things I have to learn in this > space. I've also been bitten by this a few times a while ago. You may want to look at option '-R' in zpool-import(8), even if I agree it's not ideal since it has to be applied at each import, whereas we would like it to be so automatically to avoid foot-shooting. Regards. -- Olivier Certner From nobody Thu Nov 23 08:29:33 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbWWG6h3Nz52CrS for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:29:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbWWF4zQ6z3cD0 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=fwLaFj3n; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1700728186; x=1703320186; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=EwMdQWxjbVg5kh1B3TYqVfCfF2+O5PmHGJs8QN1stHM=; b=fwLaFj3nL+jsrr9HEmNvep4Fm+Mh5zVCZJavofVgq/cqvHcVV7beD/KAb9woiqFzfdGUi7eK06RICOx8SGR2ItLKY1qZhQKAQtuYItfJJZK7JKflfkVEigkVXbfiZ26J1aHMLkL3BdKpRDRz/wyLpAwjp3IWBhnSgbcuXDH7VZc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwNjAwMDYwYmM3ZDkucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:29:35 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 03:29:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r655a-00052v-Rw for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:29:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:29:33 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20231123082933.314913c87f5bc58f7a8f233b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d50600060bc7d9.da04dc35631907b0bd92a434df73282e@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.1:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbWWF4zQ6z3cD0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 01:07:47 -0700 "Edward Sanford Sutton, III" wrote: > Another fun gotcha is if you use zpool send+zpool receive to write a > backup of a boot disk to removable media instead of writing the > datastream as a file to the backup media, you get to learn about the fun > of when your backup mounted in place of the live system because its > properties said for it to be mounted there. I make modifications to zfs > properties on the receiving side to fix that and some other > issues+desires but suspect there are more things I have to learn in this The handy backup tool zfsautobackup solves this by setting canmount=noauto on the receiving filesystem - seems to work fine. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Thu Nov 23 09:23:40 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbXjc3W0Zz51Bm2 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Received: from NAM02-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm3nam02olkn2048.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.43.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbXjb3Lhyz4J3x for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/16]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.80.0.0/12, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.92.43.48:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.43.48:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbXjb3Lhyz4J3x X-Spamd-Bar: -- On 11/23/23 01:01, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi, > >> Another fun gotcha is if you use zpool send+zpool receive to write a >> backup of a boot disk to removable media instead of writing the >> datastream as a file to the backup media, you get to learn about the fun >> of when your backup mounted in place of the live system because its >> properties said for it to be mounted there. I make modifications to zfs >> properties on the receiving side to fix that and some other >> issues+desires but suspect there are more things I have to learn in this >> space. > > I've also been bitten by this a few times a while ago. You may want to look at option '-R' in zpool-import(8), even if I agree it's not ideal since it has to be applied at each import, whereas we would like it to be so automatically to avoid foot-shooting. Rather than hope I will do an export/import dance of a backup drive with the flag, I prefer to use -x or -o to change properties to a different state while they are on the backup drive before they have a chance to take effect. This also works nice to set different compression settings, decide if atime should be enabled or not, and even put the backup into a read only state automatically. Keeping settings like refreservation from being overridden just because a backup seems important instead of just an afterthought since the two disks are likely different sizes with different needs. These 'overrides' are noted so that zfs inherit -S can get you back on track if wanting to start using the data in place with original properties or -b for when data gets sent the other way. > Regards. > From nobody Thu Nov 23 10:56:34 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbZmj5gXSz51pbM for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 10:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbZmh6KhFz4VS8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 10:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=free.fr header.s=smtp-20201208 header.b=VmMrnHOc; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of olivier.freebsd@free.fr designates 2a01:e0c:1:1599::11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=olivier.freebsd@free.fr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=free.fr Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [90.118.140.172]) (Authenticated sender: olivier.freebsd@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD8362005A0 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:56:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1700736994; bh=iPjZSKfkuXVYwN+6PMynfcrj1GmulDvV0l8la+iWflc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VmMrnHOc3EKlpJaWC+FEkyh7g3MOdJlD0r9OAfcGIkGUXmSrPSDPHEiSaJDFKMbz2 ik4k4XJ8VMUCd5Vyd/ccRVpuYLP/9OqZXe5YsfNLHGbNO6IEGqHwe1Inm+qWESik+7 YddkTW0Po8CBfB4sysPwT2hnafFSWCeNfS5kEJxxZ8SjQ25nk6GRJhi9qIwY56qH71 7wVDrCsNDcQ/j11lY+hohF1voxawvjrQf7LYAVBfrOOhBqDOPuioooh1kEBq++ifVb f957Ydb9w/WdvuvPCjYCFIwX4vBCZIdT2Ao4JSthUfenaFwN8YSfqHmPuKswebTidS B0ab3a1h7P8eQ== From: Olivier Certner To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am sick and tired of the poor quality of documentation on FreeBSD Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:56:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3694566.vYMqPgikMl@ravel> In-Reply-To: References: <1781224.E1bnfOMcs6@ravel> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.89 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[free.fr,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[free.fr:s=smtp-20201208]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[free.fr:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[free.fr]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[free.fr:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[free.fr]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:2a01:e00::/26, country:FR]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbZmh6KhFz4VS8 X-Spamd-Bar: -- > Rather than hope I will do an export/import dance of a backup drive with > the flag, I prefer to use -x or -o to change properties to a different > state while they are on the backup drive before they have a chance to > take effect. I hadn't caught up with using -x and -o when receiving. That said, are these settings persistent on receiving new streams produced by -R? Because if they are not, they don't provide any additional foot-shooting protection, since you have to remember to use -o at each receive. > This also works nice to set different compression settings, Just for the record, this works only if you don't send compressed blocks in streams (triggered by using -c with 'zfs send'). > decide if atime should be enabled or not, and even put the backup into a > read only state automatically. Keeping settings like refreservation from > being overridden just because a backup seems important instead of just > an afterthought since the two disks are likely different sizes with > different needs. These 'overrides' are noted so that zfs inherit -S can > get you back on track if wanting to start using the data in place with > original properties or -b for when data gets sent the other way. Seems very nice. Thanks for making me aware of these "novelties". Regards. -- Olivier Certner From nobody Thu Nov 23 11:05:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbZz7613Vz51rgY for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nOKC=HE=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbZz73z07z4XpY for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nOKC=HE=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from x1 (94.105.106.186.dyn.edpnet.net [94.105.106.186]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBDB728796; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:05:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:05:28 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: OpenZFS 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Block Cloning Bug Data Corruption Message-ID: References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kwafmvgijksaak6h" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbZz73z07z4XpY --kwafmvgijksaak6h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZFS-2.2.1-Released Fortunately block cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE, (see vfs.zfs.bclone_enabled) >=20 > --=20 > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >=20 --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. 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It seems just that with this option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug. 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.922]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:40.92.0.0/16]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.80.0.0/12, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[40.92.15.48:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[40.92.15.48:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbcVP61bSz3J2d X-Spamd-Bar: -- On 11/23/23 03:56, Olivier Certner wrote: >> Rather than hope I will do an export/import dance of a backup drive with >> the flag, I prefer to use -x or -o to change properties to a different >> state while they are on the backup drive before they have a chance to >> take effect. > > I hadn't caught up with using -x and -o when receiving. > > That said, are these settings persistent on receiving new streams produced by -R? Because if they are not, they don't provide any additional foot-shooting protection, since you have to remember to use -o at each receive. It would apply to all datasets from that receive command but I doubt it would be remembered between receives but have not tested; the dataset already knows what was on the stream before receive and knows that it has a local override vs what the incoming stream originally had so I'd imagine they could 'guess' at maintaining it but have not heard that it is done. Could be quickly tested by making a dataset, set a desired property, copy/write 1 file in it, then test sending it, then a later snapshot with a revision of it with first receive overriding incoming properties and second one not doing so. If it seems to work then it would be worth a 3rd send where you test if a modified property is still overridden or not. Doing so would then have you know what to expect. My send+receive is executed by copying from a file so that I do not have to try to remember the command, let alone the flags and I won't likely make any typo. I really don't want to read a manpage on every use of a command due to forgetting options meanings and to try to avoid forgetting desired options entirely. I have similar files for executing poudriere, updating from source, performing disk cleanup, dealing with snapshots, etc. I usually copy+paste from them to tweak things like how many jobs run or skip certain commands/steps but some are scripts I can execute directly. Backups and testing are great to have that for to make sure they stay consistent and its good for restoring data as that is the point in time where mistakes are likely more dangerous and you many be stressed/distracted by the fact that you even need to perform that step. >> This also works nice to set different compression settings, > > Just for the record, this works only if you don't send compressed blocks in streams (triggered by using -c with 'zfs send'). Correct. I have only used send+receive both executed on the same machine so that didn't come up for me. If data throughput is tight, you can also manually pipe a send through an external compressor which can likely get a better compression ratio too; such external compression is unrelated to -c and must be manually decompressed before the zfs receive step. Encrypted streams interfere with having control such as compressing too. >> decide if atime should be enabled or not, and even put the backup into a >> read only state automatically. Keeping settings like refreservation from >> being overridden just because a backup seems important instead of just >> an afterthought since the two disks are likely different sizes with >> different needs. These 'overrides' are noted so that zfs inherit -S can >> get you back on track if wanting to start using the data in place with >> original properties or -b for when data gets sent the other way. > > Seems very nice. Thanks for making me aware of these "novelties". > > Regards. > From nobody Thu Nov 23 12:37:49 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sbd1n2cSzz52CCt for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsddev@bsd2.de) Received: from servers.bsd2.de (servers.bsd2.de [IPv6:2a0a:51c0:0:155::2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "servers.bsd2.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sbd1m3KRBz3N8N for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsddev@bsd2.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fbsddev@bsd2.de designates 2a0a:51c0:0:155::2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fbsddev@bsd2.de; dmarc=none Received: from servers.bsd2.de (servers.vpn [IPv6:fd11:13bc:e33d:ffff:0:0:200:20]) by servers.bsd2.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3ANCbnB6078896 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:37:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fbsddev@bsd2.de) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:37:49 +0100 From: fbsddev@bsd2.de To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: GEOM_ELI: Crypto request failed (ENOMEM) Message-ID: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd2.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:48314, ipnet:2a0a:51c0::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sbd1m3KRBz3N8N X-Spamd-Bar: --- Writing data to a slow USB Stick ( <5MB/sec write, geli encrypted and mounted with noatime) I suddenly got many of those errors: >>> Nov 23 13:07:49 xxxxxxxxxx kernel: GEOM_ELI: Crypto request failed (ENOMEM). label/usbstick.eli[WRIGEOM_ELI: Crypto request failed (ENOMEM). label/usbstick.eli[WRITE(offset=21922807808, length=32768)] But the written data seems correct. What's the problem and can it be safely ignored? From nobody Thu Nov 23 13:36:54 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbfKm1yrsz51B1j for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nOKC=HE=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Received: from orval.bbpf.belspo.be (orval.bbpf.belspo.be [193.191.208.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbfKl5vFRz3W8M for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=nOKC=HE=perdition.city=julien@bebif.be) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from x1 (94.105.106.186.dyn.edpnet.net [94.105.106.186]) by orval.bbpf.belspo.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BFEF2866F; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:36:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:36:54 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: infoomatic Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenZFS 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Block Cloning Bug Data Corruption Message-ID: References: <86c822d2-751a-43b6-a8ee-068429b5bc24@gmx.at> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6nkctmyr3ndrevw5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86c822d2-751a-43b6-a8ee-068429b5bc24@gmx.at> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2611, ipnet:193.191.192.0/19, country:BE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbfKl5vFRz3W8M --6nkctmyr3ndrevw5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 01:07:33PM +0100, infoomatic wrote: > On 23.11.23 12:05, Julien Cigar wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > > https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZFS-2.2.1-Released > >=20 > > Fortunately block cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE, > > (see vfs.zfs.bclone_enabled) > >=20 >=20 > I would not be too sure about that, see [1]. It seems just that with > this option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug. >=20 > [1] https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526#issuecomment-1823857131 Ah, thanks for the link..! I hope an EN will be published ASAP then, it looks a serious issue.. >=20 --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --6nkctmyr3ndrevw5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEnF27CBNtOraRNmgqCLYqJMpBHmkFAmVfVXYACgkQCLYqJMpB HmlLxA/9Ha//55KWZ4ShH/rnSf35ruj9tvmPWt8nw+L/jMZ3m2Cf0qvjpkPmceVi iaAYcRmSptGRo3uhy8dwCaerp3mf7Kv3VGZz6/j01pNUQvNPjIQHvEYM8kOq2qd+ Z50KuvC9Zd28rP7Tyscq2MsviAJDDyn4E5+3i3eVjcziWxmHX0tIiQXZoh1qP7FM kqnQaTYQI7qeaBUcIiESbTVdIxecfbyWYni66k9zY0lPIuV1GckmvbXuhDqWKXi5 Gh08Zzfr6Tlsf9Jpxlha7mtOu5h8B9MsZEq6yhiTWgHfrjqFL2LlvRdChn0IC19w 9wpRJwlnDNPsBsDAb8EZYVhhXKes5uGzjsHp5kRnrozSe7TIuVIDn91aLM2gSy2u qBnDGWMvh6IrbHEATgqCU31q5KNswMPDMyx6ZmX8MAp3WHPEKRf5j3Z/GJIfFZXa Hhv+vZETCAo5UTrA0XSI0koII7ADst7gc60yJN9NxDDcGqLSTEDdct4OftzuqzNP +2kPgN2KVhiV3HHtMRQohTcNBIDrLh8kB9ldnH1jk9W1pKxnkQOPrzOemCpo4z77 7JsxoEJRMKX89V8A/pev7DG/6myEjc4Cw/Og8OdivXqm9qGj8fnkVmTajHD81x/B Il1DhXHNmFgFj1YpuLsUB6Hacly77uRAUxi4vYKjlNn5lrblzyA= =Fo3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6nkctmyr3ndrevw5-- From nobody Thu Nov 23 18:51:06 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbnJL2L7kz519LK for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:51:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimomak@os3.org) Received: from os3.org (os3.org [63.142.202.212]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbnJK4Y5Wz3RdH for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimomak@os3.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from OS3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by os3.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4SbnJH06yTz41x6p; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 10:51:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=os3.org; s=s1; t=1700765471; bh=V3LvE1Y29SYJX+bm0xGdwUIk7fX2KZ0Zs0/1CeKX2I4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=WTp+2XEqmn4RA7+K8tnuKKYlN0iNWq4TEIGVb0g6Tn1yaaMvF2/c3eoGntViFz6b9 B+/z1j9U4Qqf5/xwraEWU/fS/cpFM44VuYlkzLMDv/wQ3glhrFq64SCJP3EOb19Vk7 MiMhd0NidasnpCzzWa2uved1PPFEpLcvko9h4sbMv93xIu6zw166HnyKVAyK6Y1cIg joQ0q/hMnJCaHo3cYZ9gXXKTObp1HMuG6TTSzW14pxFQH9yvnHJGocl7LF/MP9CldU c2xE2W5f1yqW3lGiZhHf/bu0UiFaqWLbKHlgYP0XnNZdX9GC2rnCNhcOtZid/L2Glx 3l0mpcqYkLe1Q== Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 10:51:06 -0800 From: "James Miller" To: "Kurt Hackenberg" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <6ca9a334-f1b3-448b-848b-00fc3be86476@OS3> In-Reply-To: References: <193608ac-6428-447b-bfb1-271dc6bec6e4@OS3> <20231122135515.jhp4l3yg37u7v6vv@pureos> <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> Subject: Re: Email Client List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="655f9f1e_42cba0c_21ad" X-Synology-Virus-Status: no X-Synology-Spam-Status: score=0, required 8, WHITELIST_FROM_ADDRESS 0 X-Synology-Spam-Flag: no X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22608, ipnet:63.142.202.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbnJK4Y5Wz3RdH --655f9f1e_42cba0c_21ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. Never = do I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freebsd' f= or such a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' using m= y email as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only assume= that my identity has been hacked by some one in freebsd or using freebsd= , and is spamming my email server. I would just love to be free of 'freeb= sd'. Since there is no 'central' authority at freebsd, I can only appeal = to the 'many', hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution, so = I can be 'free' of 'freebsd'. God =C2=A0 Bless. > I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade t= o 14 using freebsd-update. The first thing I did was a freebsd-update fe= tch and then install to get the latest. Then the upgrade to 14.0. > =20 > I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory. I thought t= hat the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that. > =20 > After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung. Upon plugging i= n a display, I got messages about Z=46S. This system is using U=46S. No= thing appeared to be going on. I rebooted the system and reran the freeb= sd-update install. Got the 3 previous messages again. However, near the= end I got a lot of messages: > =20 > /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/ no such file or direct= ory. > =20 > Install finished and the system seems to work. I am wondering if ins= tall got partially complete and those last messages are for things that w= ere installed the first time. =20 > =20 > After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug 2= 73661 and that seems to work. i don't use C++ so not sure. I have a few= more 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems. It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is caus= ing the problem or how to fix it. =23 pkg upgrade Updating =46reeBSD repository catalogue... =46etching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 =20 =46etching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 =20 pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' pkg: No signature found Unable to update repository =46reeBSD Error updating repositories=21 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 James Miller (425) 471-8101 www.electionhope.com (http://www.electionhope.com) www.os3.org (http://www.os3.org) =22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22 =C2=A0 On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote: > > >How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my =20 > >email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why=3F God Bles= s > > Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including thi= s: > > List-Unsubscribe: > --655f9f1e_42cba0c_21ad Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. N= ever do I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freeb= sd' for such a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' us= ing my email as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only a= ssume that my identity has been hacked by some one in freebsd or using fr= eebsd, and is spamming my email server. I would just love to be free of '= freebsd'. Since there is no 'central' authority at freebsd, I can only ap= peal to the 'many', hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution= , so I can be 'free' of 'freebsd'. God  Bless.

> I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to up=
grade to 14 using freebsd-update.  The first thing I did was a freebsd-up=
date fetch and then install to get the latest.  Then the upgrade to 14.0.=

>  =20
> I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory.  I thought =
that the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that.
>  =20
> After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung.  Upon plugging =
in a display, I got messages about Z=46S.  This system is using U=46S.  N=
othing appeared to be going on.  I rebooted the system and reran the free=
bsd-update install.  Got the 3 previous messages again.  However, near th=
e end I got a lot of messages:
>  =20
> /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/<filename> no such file or =
directory.
>  =20
> Install finished and the system seems to work.  I am wondering if in=
stall got partially complete and those last messages are for things that =
were installed the first time.   =20
>  =20
> After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug =
273661 and that seems to work.  i don't use C++ so not sure.  I have a fe=
w more 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems.

It gets more interesting.  pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is caus=
ing the problem or how to fix it.

=23 pkg upgrade
Updating =46reeBSD repository catalogue...
=46etching meta.conf: 100%    163 B   0.2kB/s    00:01     =20
=46etching packagesite.pkg: 100%    7 MiB   6.9MB/s    00:01     =20
pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error'
pkg: No signature found
Unable to update repository =46reeBSD
Error updating repositories=21
 
 
 James Miller
(425) 471-8101
=22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22
 
On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg <kh=40panix.com> wrote: 
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote:
<=
br />>How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but =
my 
>email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why=3F=
 God Bless

Every message from this list has several headers Li=
st-*:, including this:

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:questions+=
unsubscribe=40freebsd.org>

--655f9f1e_42cba0c_21ad-- From nobody Thu Nov 23 20:01:19 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SbpsH3K6Cz51j5m for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SbpsH1MZ5z3g5P for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [199.212.134.19]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 3ANK1LgR022692 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPV6:2607:f3e0:0:4:1c36:ca67:5870:ba50] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:1c36:ca67:5870:ba50]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 3ANK1Iev042241 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <35b0d223-6b92-4c3e-9331-e356e6977bb0@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:19 -0500 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: OpenZFS 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Block Cloning Bug Data Corruption Content-Language: en-US To: Julien Cigar , infoomatic Cc: questions@freebsd.org References: <86c822d2-751a-43b6-a8ee-068429b5bc24@gmx.at> From: mike tancsa Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; keydata= xsBNBFywzOMBCACoNFpwi5MeyEREiCeHtbm6pZJI/HnO+wXdCAWtZkS49weOoVyUj5BEXRZP xflV2ib2hflX4nXqhenaNiia4iaZ9ft3I1ebd7GEbGnsWCvAnob5MvDZyStDAuRxPJK1ya/s +6rOvr+eQiXYNVvfBhrCfrtR/esSkitBGxhUkBjOti8QwzD71JVF5YaOjBAs7jZUKyLGj0kW yDg4jUndudWU7G2yc9GwpHJ9aRSUN8e/mWdIogK0v+QBHfv/dsI6zVB7YuxCC9Fx8WPwfhDH VZC4kdYCQWKXrm7yb4TiVdBh5kgvlO9q3js1yYdfR1x8mjK2bH2RSv4bV3zkNmsDCIxjABEB AAHNHW1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5uZXQ+wsCOBBMBCAA4FiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs 4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQeVOEFl5W rMiN6ggAk3H5vk8QnbvGbb4sinxZt/wDetgk0AOR9NRmtTnPaW+sIJEfGBOz47Xih+f7uWJS j+uvc9Ewn2Z7n8z3ZHJlLAByLVLtcNXGoRIGJ27tevfOaNqgJHBPbFOcXCBBFTx4MYMM4iAZ cDT5vsBTSaM36JZFtHZBKkuFEItbA/N8ZQSHKdTYMIA7A3OCLGbJBqloQ8SlW4MkTzKX4u7R yefAYQ0h20x9IqC5Ju8IsYRFacVZconT16KS81IBceO42vXTN0VexbVF2rZIx3v/NT75r6Vw 0FlXVB1lXOHKydRA2NeleS4NEG2vWqy/9Boj0itMfNDlOhkrA/0DcCurMpnpbM7ATQRcsMzk AQgA1Dpo/xWS66MaOJLwA28sKNMwkEk1Yjs+okOXDOu1F+0qvgE8sVmrOOPvvWr4axtKRSG1 t2QUiZ/ZkW/x/+t0nrM39EANV1VncuQZ1ceIiwTJFqGZQ8kb0+BNkwuNVFHRgXm1qzAJweEt RdsCMohB+H7BL5LGCVG5JaU0lqFU9pFP40HxEbyzxjsZgSE8LwkI6wcu0BLv6K6cLm0EiHPO l5G8kgRi38PS7/6s3R8QDsEtbGsYy6O82k3zSLIjuDBwA9GRaeigGppTxzAHVjf5o9KKu4O7 gC2KKVHPegbXS+GK7DU0fjzX57H5bZ6komE5eY4p3oWT/CwVPSGfPs8jOwARAQABwsB2BBgB CAAgFiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwwACgkQeVOEFl5WrMiVqwf9GwU8 c6cylknZX8QwlsVudTC8xr/L17JA84wf03k3d4wxP7bqy5AYy7jboZMbgWXngAE/HPQU95NM aukysSnknzoIpC96XZJ0okLBXVS6Y0ylZQ+HrbIhMpuQPoDweoF5F9wKrsHRoDaUK1VR706X rwm4HUzh7Jk+auuMYfuCh0FVlFBEuiJWMLhg/5WCmcRfiuB6F59ZcUQrwLEZeNhF2XJV4KwB Tlg7HCWO/sy1foE5noaMyACjAtAQE9p5kGYaj+DuRhPdWUTsHNuqrhikzIZd2rrcMid+ktb0 NvtvswzMO059z1YGMtGSqQ4srCArju+XHIdTFdiIYbd7+jeehg== In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 64.7.153.18 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SbpsH1MZ5z3g5P On 11/23/2023 8:36 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 01:07:33PM +0100, infoomatic wrote: >> On 23.11.23 12:05, Julien Cigar wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: >>>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZFS-2.2.1-Released >>> Fortunately block cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE, >>> (see vfs.zfs.bclone_enabled) >>> >> I would not be too sure about that, see [1]. It seems just that with >> this option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug. >> >> [1] https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526#issuecomment-1823857131 > Ah, thanks for the link..! I hope an EN will be published ASAP then, it > looks a serious issue.. Am I right in reading sudo sysctl -w vfs.zfs.dmu_offset_next_sync=0 to work around the issue for now ?     ---Mike From nobody Thu Nov 23 20:52:48 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sbr0k2ysSz51vXd for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimomak@os3.org) Received: from os3.org (os3.org [63.142.202.212]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sbr0k0ZWFz4LQt for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimomak@os3.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from OS3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by os3.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4Sbr0g2BjXz41xMH; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=os3.org; s=s1; t=1700772771; bh=YIO1+12HjsKT1RgZjtao6N3yZHoLw4v+0owWaPB+Trk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=Q9BTHUOMr/9DHc3eniCTtiJSHIouYEhfy0AdwQBcezgOr56Rt/SqdUh+6caoWM61r YgTknTVoKnhdR12fJ4TgKua562Xsz1zY3CAF4BG+raxWLnIwALwsh2S3GZaozR8+1X fIhepfR+areJ4hr5X9TBxML96hkTxQPVTgqYn8PS1YDfCUDYIVE41TivFqvqyXBsAD XkfwVhKHKOPyABuRUcEfvbciU8wcrtwa6CLUSF/0tg7HC5zqfKjnxETixRoUhy2me8 21gUmfYR6k5XgJ5nmZ04vK+Ds5Kz6Q6WD/oqaXpA76vDUOlYv0xPLF6XfL8Xe8O+rj bnpFo+LD4sPYg== Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:52:48 -0800 From: "James Miller" To: "mike tancsa" Cc: "Julien Cigar" , infoomatic , questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35b0d223-6b92-4c3e-9331-e356e6977bb0@sentex.net> References: <86c822d2-751a-43b6-a8ee-068429b5bc24@gmx.at> <35b0d223-6b92-4c3e-9331-e356e6977bb0@sentex.net> Subject: Re: OpenZFS 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Block Cloning Bug Data Corruption List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="655fbba3_39d40f28_282f" X-Synology-Virus-Status: no X-Synology-Spam-Status: score=0, required 8, WHITELIST_FROM_ADDRESS 0 X-Synology-Spam-Flag: no X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22608, ipnet:63.142.202.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sbr0k0ZWFz4LQt --655fbba3_39d40f28_282f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Please help me. How may I unsubscribe from this email. It is flooding my = email server. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 James Miller (425) 471-8101 www.electionhope.com (http://www.electionhope.com) www.os3.org (http://www.os3.org) =22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22 =C2=A0 On 2023-11-23 12:01, mike tancsa wrote: > On 11/23/2023 8:36 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 01:07:33PM +0100, infoomatic wrote: > >> On 23.11.23 12:05, Julien Cigar wrote: > >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > >>>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZ=46S-2.2.1-Released > >>> =46ortunately block cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE= , > >>> (see vfs.zfs.bclone=5Fenabled) > >>> > >> I would not be too sure about that, see =5B1=5D. It seems just that= with > >> this option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug. > >> > >> =5B1=5D https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526=23issuecomment-= 1823857131 > > Ah, thanks for the link..=21 I hope an EN will be published ASAP the= n, it > > looks a serious issue.. > > Am I right in reading > sudo sysctl -w vfs.zfs.dmu=5Foffset=5Fnext=5Fsync=3D0 > > to work around the issue for now =3F > > ---Mike > > > > --655fbba3_39d40f28_282f Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Please help me. How may I unsubscribe from this email. It is floodin= g my email server.
 
 James Miller
(425) 471-8101
=22If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see=22
 
On 2023-11-23 12:01, mike tancsa <mike=40sentex.net> wrote: 
On 11/23/2023 8:36 AM, Julien Cigar wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 23,=
 2023 at 01:07:33PM +0100, infoomatic wrote:
>> On 23.11.23 12=
:05, Julien Cigar wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:=
49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
>>>> https://www.phoronix=
.com/news/OpenZ=46S-2.2.1-Released
>>> =46ortunately block =
cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE,
>>> (see vf=
s.zfs.bclone=5Fenabled)
>>>
>> I would not be to=
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>> thi=
s option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug.
>>
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t;> =5B1=5D https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526=23issuecomment=
-1823857131
> Ah, thanks for the link..=21 I hope an EN will be p=
ublished ASAP then, it
> looks a serious issue..

Am I =
right in reading
sudo sysctl -w vfs.zfs.dmu=5Foffset=5Fnext=5Fsync=3D=
0

to work around the issue for now =3F

     ---Mike=




--655fbba3_39d40f28_282f-- From nobody Thu Nov 23 22:22:27 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sbt0C4nKxz52Dmx for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:22:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from emailh.ca (emailh.ca [23.235.65.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sbt0B5LhSz4Yf8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fquest@paz.bz designates 23.235.65.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fquest@paz.bz; dmarc=none Received: from 254-68-235-23.gwaiicomm.com ([23.235.68.254] helo=[10.10.10.9]) by emailh.ca with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r6I5a-000O9o-4R; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:22:26 -0800 Message-ID: <0c60cc07-4676-44bf-89dd-5b12b1c85a1d@paz.bz> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:22:27 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Pazarena Subject: fresh install v14 release - git problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.01 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.746]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:23.235.65.64/26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:852, ipnet:23.235.64.0/20, country:CA]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[paz.bz]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sbt0B5LhSz4Yf8 X-Spamd-Bar: --- using git is new to me. I have always used portsnap with fetch/extract/update in a fresh v14 install, I have run: /usr/sbin/pkg install git git clone https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git /usr/ports git -C /usr/ports pull all seemed fine. Then I installed a few ports, a reboot, and the next git -C /usr/ports pull received this CLI response: unable to access 'https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate not sure how to proceed ? 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It will then= send you an email confirming and you should be good ~ Joe B ________________________________ From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org on behalf of James Miller Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:51:06 AM To: Kurt Hackenberg Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Client this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. Never do= I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freebsd' for s= uch a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' using my emai= l as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only assume that my= identity has been hacked by some one in freebsd or using freebsd, and is s= pamming my email server. I would just love to be free of 'freebsd'. Since t= here is no 'central' authority at freebsd, I can only appeal to the 'many',= hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution, so I can be 'free' = of 'freebsd'. God Bless. > I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade to 1= 4 using freebsd-update. The first thing I did was a freebsd-update fetch a= nd then install to get the latest. Then the upgrade to 14.0. > > I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory. I thought that = the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that. > > After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung. Upon plugging in a = display, I got messages about ZFS. This system is using UFS. Nothing appe= ared to be going on. I rebooted the system and reran the freebsd-update in= stall. Got the 3 previous messages again. However, near the end I got a l= ot of messages: > > /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/ no such file or directory. > > Install finished and the system seems to work. I am wondering if install= got partially complete and those last messages are for things that were in= stalled the first time. > > After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug 27366= 1 and that seems to work. i don't use C++ so not sure. I have a few more = 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems. It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is causin= g the problem or how to fix it. # pkg upgrade Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... Fetching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' pkg: No signature found Unable to update repository FreeBSD Error updating repositories! James Miller (425) 471-8101 www.electionhope.com www.os3.org "If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see" On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote: >How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my >email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why? God Bless Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including this: List-Unsubscribe: --_000_PH7PR13MB6320A0A6ED5181F776F00168FAB8APH7PR13MB6320namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out this 


Choose the one that says unsubscribe it will basically ope= n up your email client and you just say whatever or Unsubscribe in the subj= ect. It will then send you an email confirming and you should be good =


~ Joe B
From: owner-freebsd-questio= ns@freebsd.org <owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> on behalf of Jam= es Miller <jimomak@os3.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 10:51:06 AM
To: Kurt Hackenberg <kh@panix.com>
Cc: questions@freebsd.org <questions@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Email Client
 
this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. Nev= er do I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freebsd' = for such a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' using my= email as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only assume that my identity has been hacked by= some one in freebsd or using freebsd, and is spamming my email server. I w= ould just love to be free of 'freebsd'. Since there is no 'central' authori= ty at freebsd, I can only appeal to the 'many', hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution, so I= can be 'free' of 'freebsd'. God  Bless.

> I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgr=
ade to 14 using freebsd-update.  The first thing I did was a freebsd-update=
 fetch and then install to get the latest.  Then the upgrade to 14.0.
>  =20
> I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory.  I thought th=
at the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that.
>  =20
> After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung.  Upon plugging in=
 a display, I got messages about ZFS.  This system is using UFS.  Nothing a=
ppeared to be going on.  I rebooted the system and reran the freebsd-update=
 install.  Got the 3 previous messages again.  However, near the end I got =
a lot of messages:
>  =20
> /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/<filename> no such file or di=
rectory.
>  =20
> Install finished and the system seems to work.  I am wondering if inst=
all got partially complete and those last messages are for things that were=
 installed the first time.   =20
>  =20
> After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug 27=
3661 and that seems to work.  i don't use C++ so not sure.  I have a few mo=
re 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems.

It gets more interesting.  pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is causin=
g the problem or how to fix it.

# pkg upgrade
Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
Fetching meta.conf: 100%    163 B   0.2kB/s    00:01     =20
Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100%    7 MiB   6.9MB/s    00:01     =20
pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error'
pkg: No signature found
Unable to update repository FreeBSD
Error updating repositories!
 
 
 James Miller
(425) 471-8101
"If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see"
 
On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg <kh@panix.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote:

&=
gt;How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my 
&=
gt;email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why? God Bless
Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including th=
is:

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:questions+unsubscribe@freebsd.org&g=
t;

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Shell was not changed. ran freebsd-update install after reboot process hung and did not do anything. I tried # freebsd-update rollback and I get this error. I am checking how to update from source, but I would need to fix the system somewhat, short of reinstalling how to I troubleshoot this? Any advice ? build from source no git found pkg install git does not work. Any ideas as to how to proceed short of a reinstall? Internet as working but when I restarted after reboot to install first updates, internet did not start automagically :( I had to run some commands even though it was working in 13.2 but not here. # ifconfig wlan0 up scan # ifconfig wlan0 ssid NAMEOFWIRELESSPROVIDER here # killall -9 dhclient # dhclient wlan0 and successfully connected. when running to upgrade pkgs I get root@coolermaster:~ # pkg-static upgrade -f Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. Checking for upgrades (1 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (1 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) The following 1 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be REINSTALLED: pkg-1.20.8 Number of packages to be reinstalled: 1 Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y [1/1] Reinstalling pkg-1.20.8... [1/1] Extracting pkg-1.20.8: 100% ld-elf.so.1: /bin/sh: Undefined symbol "__libc_start1@FBSD_1.7" pkg-static: POST-INSTALL script failed root@coolermaster:~ # git clone https://git.FreeBSD.org/doc.git /usr/doc git: Command not found. root@coolermaster:~ # pkg install git ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/sbin/pkg: Undefined symbol "__libc_start1@FBSD_1.7" root@coolermaster:~ # Thank you in advance Antonio P.S. One machine successfully running FreeBSD 14 after upgrades, ran testing versions BETA through RC4 and ran freebsd-update to 14.0-RELEASE and updated all packages. 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From: Alexander Burke To: James Miller Cc: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <584e78f9-91c7-403f-a487-4e2ab159fa32@alexburke.ca> In-Reply-To: <6ca9a334-f1b3-448b-848b-00fc3be86476@OS3> References: <193608ac-6428-447b-bfb1-271dc6bec6e4@OS3> <20231122135515.jhp4l3yg37u7v6vv@pureos> <63ye4abejnwve5lcaglcyelyzzuj4k6na2bvrvibu4zxa5gktv@abqdiks27dly> <6ca9a334-f1b3-448b-848b-00fc3be86476@OS3> Subject: Re: Email Client List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4_225472919.1700801935917" X-Correlation-ID: <584e78f9-91c7-403f-a487-4e2ab159fa32@alexburke.ca> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sc2nl38HTz3g2f ------=_Part_4_225472919.1700801935917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James, As someone already mentioned, you simply send a blank email to: questions+unsubscribe@freebsd.org Cheers, Alex ---------------------------------------- Nov 23, 2023 19:51:24 James Miller : > this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. Never = do I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freebsd' for= such a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' using my em= ail as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only assume that = my identity has been hacked by some one in freebsd or using freebsd, and is= spamming my email server. I would just love to be free of 'freebsd'. Since= there is no 'central' authority at freebsd, I can only appeal to the 'many= ', hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution, so I can be 'free= ' of 'freebsd'. God=C2=A0 Bless. >=20 >> I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade to = 14 using freebsd-update. The first thing I did was a freebsd-update fetch = and then install to get the latest. Then the upgrade to 14.0. >> =20 >> I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory. I thought that= the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that. >> =20 >> After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung. Upon plugging in a= display, I got messages about ZFS. This system is using UFS. Nothing app= eared to be going on. I rebooted the system and reran the freebsd-update i= nstall. Got the 3 previous messages again. However, near the end I got a = lot of messages: >> =20 >> /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/ no such file or directory. >> =20 >> Install finished and the system seems to work. I am wondering if instal= l got partially complete and those last messages are for things that were i= nstalled the first time. =20 >> =20 >> After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug 2736= 61 and that seems to work. i don't use C++ so not sure. I have a few more= 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems. >=20 > It gets more interesting. pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is caus= ing the problem or how to fix it. >=20 > # pkg upgrade > Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... > Fetching meta.conf: 100% 163 B 0.2kB/s 00:01 =20 > Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100% 7 MiB 6.9MB/s 00:01 =20 > pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error' > pkg: No signature found > Unable to update repository FreeBSD > Error updating repositories! > =C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > =C2=A0James Miller > (425) 471-8101 > www.electionhope.com[http://www.electionhope.com] > www.os3.org[http://www.os3.org] > "If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see" > =C2=A0 > On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote: >=20 >>How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my=20 >>email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why? God Bless >=20 > Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including this: >=20 > List-Unsubscribe: >=20 ------=_Part_4_225472919.1700801935917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi James,

As someone already mentioned, you simply send a blank email to:

questions+unsubscribe@freebsd.org

Cheers,
Alex

Nov 23, 2023 19:51:24 James Miller <jimomak@os3.org>:

this is a cut/paste of an email. One of hundreds daily that I get. Never do I get an 'unsubscribe' set of text. I have searched all of 'freebsd' for such a place to unsubscribe. Neither can I 'create an account' using my email as it says that it belongs to some one else. So i can only assume that my identity has been hacked by some one in freebsd or using freebsd, and is spamming my email server. I would just love to be free of 'freebsd'. Since there is no 'central' authority at freebsd, I can only appeal to the 'many', hoping there is 'heart' in someone to find resolution, so I can be 'free' of 'freebsd'. God  Bless. 

> I have a RaspberryPi 4 that was running 13.1 that I tried to upgrade to 14 using freebsd-update.  The first thing I did was a freebsd-update fetch and then install to get the latest.  Then the upgrade to 14.0.
>   
> I got the 3 messages about things not being a directory.  I thought that the latest update to freebsd-update would have fixed that.
>   
> After quite a while, everything appeared to be hung.  Upon plugging in a display, I got messages about ZFS.  This system is using UFS.  Nothing appeared to be going on.  I rebooted the system and reran the freebsd-update install.  Got the 3 previous messages again.  However, near the end I got a lot of messages:
>   
> /var/db/etcupdate/current/etc/rc.d/<filename> no such file or directory.
>   
> Install finished and the system seems to work.  I am wondering if install got partially complete and those last messages are for things that were installed the first time.    
>   
> After rebooting and running intstall again, I used the fix from Bug 273661 and that seems to work.  i don't use C++ so not sure.  I have a few more 13.1 systems to upgrade and would like to avoid these problems.

It gets more interesting.  pkg upgrade doesn't work. No idea what is causing the problem or how to fix it.

# pkg upgrade
Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
Fetching meta.conf: 100%    163 B   0.2kB/s    00:01      
Fetching packagesite.pkg: 100%    7 MiB   6.9MB/s    00:01      
pkg: Error extracting the archive: 'Write error'
pkg: No signature found
Unable to update repository FreeBSD
Error updating repositories!
 
 
 James Miller
(425) 471-8101
"If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see"
 
On 2023-11-22 18:58, Kurt Hackenberg <kh@panix.com> wrote: 
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 05:29:20PM -0800, James Miller wrote:

>How do I unsubscribe to this thread. You are all wonderful, but my 
>email servier is flooded with freebsd and I don't know why? God Bless

Every message from this list has several headers List-*:, including this:

List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:questions+unsubscribe@freebsd.org>

------=_Part_4_225472919.1700801935917-- From nobody Fri Nov 24 05:23:01 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sc3KS1F28z4dVp5 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 05:23:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sc3KR6kfBz4FwT for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 05:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 3AO5N1T9065178; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 00:23:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 00:23:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: James Miller cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: OpenZFS 2.2 -> 2.2.1 Block Cloning Bug Data Corruption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <86c822d2-751a-43b6-a8ee-068429b5bc24@gmx.at> <35b0d223-6b92-4c3e-9331-e356e6977bb0@sentex.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="273846429-906214191-1700803204=:12736" Content-ID: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sc3KR6kfBz4FwT This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --273846429-906214191-1700803204=:12736 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: Send email to the following address: questions+unsubscribe@freebsd.org With the subject: Unsubscribe [ individual cc's removed ] On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, James Miller wrote: > Please help me. How may I unsubscribe from this email. It is flooding my email server. >   >   James Miller > (425) 471-8101 > www.electionhope.com (http://www.electionhope.com) > www.os3.org (http://www.os3.org) > "If the mind is blind, the eye cannot see" > >   > On 2023-11-23 12:01, mike tancsa wrote: >> On 11/23/2023 8:36 AM, Julien Cigar wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 01:07:33PM +0100, infoomatic wrote: >>>> On 23.11.23 12:05, Julien Cigar wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 02:20:49AM +0100, Tomek CEDRO wrote: >>>>>> https://www.phoronix.com/news/OpenZFS-2.2.1-Released >>>>> Fortunately block cloning is disabled by default on 14.0-RELEASE, >>>>> (see vfs.zfs.bclone_enabled) >>>>> >>>> I would not be too sure about that, see [1]. It seems just that with >>>> this option disabled it is much harder to hit the bug. >>>> >>>> [1] https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15526#issuecomment-1823857131 >>> Ah, thanks for the link..! I hope an EN will be published ASAP then, it >>> looks a serious issue.. >> >> Am I right in reading >> sudo sysctl -w vfs.zfs.dmu_offset_next_sync=0 >> >> to work around the issue for now ? >> >> ---Mike >> >> >> >> > -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org --273846429-906214191-1700803204=:12736-- From nobody Fri Nov 24 12:57:21 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScFPk43Qxz52Blr for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScFPk0Cmhz3PF4 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 97ae0404; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:57:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=dismail.de; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=20190914; bh=YGMrxMs+ srTNNcM2xDHd1aWqlaCCvmD1vodiIxoJ/rM=; b=AWmbWN1bMvWv/tX3uppDLqtl kwdoyyuspwYuo3ro3VqmUxfahNl4D+TOJsAXCzALS1YLRTFNmpF2oydQfXnFj2Bi pp/vTo+/n1oaPZIFB7UBY2/Vx96BGLe8GBVdXA+/CkYl6ThDXGn8wts6A1oy+4PQ WApxur233KVgHtowAyJSXseJ6Z14Syh0JCziwE8Lqvwpzl+Wo7pi9MjC/pVCAgyd zRAtdmagxYBHJ+fpkHGjNCd2z1GJO/z5VYyQLqeAIH/nx6anLYqgJL4c27Lx+ihy Sn8O+PrUKeoo5lwDACUM3Lz6eJwjFMTpOGV04mFOZ7e+hoHYwQ/s2WFn12nVrg== Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1f66a8f0; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:57:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 94e04c62; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:57:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id b737edaa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:57:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 07:57:21 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: Jim Pazarena Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fresh install v14 release - git problem Message-ID: <20231124075721.62c83f79@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <0c60cc07-4676-44bf-89dd-5b12b1c85a1d@paz.bz> References: <0c60cc07-4676-44bf-89dd-5b12b1c85a1d@paz.bz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScFPk0Cmhz3PF4 On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:22:27 -0800 Jim Pazarena wrote: > using git is new to me. > I have always used portsnap with fetch/extract/update >=20 > in a fresh v14 install, I have run: > /usr/sbin/pkg install git > git clone https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git /usr/ports > git -C /usr/ports pull >=20 > all seemed fine. > Then I installed a few ports, a reboot, and the next >=20 > git -C /usr/ports pull >=20 > received this CLI response: >=20 > unable to access 'https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': SSL > certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate >=20 > not sure how to proceed ? > Assistance/advice would be appreciated. >=20 Portsnap is in ports now. --=20 =E2=80=9CLife shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=95 Anais Nin=20 From nobody Fri Nov 24 14:09:52 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScH1J1kr7z52b0J for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 14:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from emailh.ca (emailh.ca [23.235.65.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScH1H2fCLz3ddy for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 14:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fquest@paz.bz designates 23.235.65.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fquest@paz.bz; dmarc=none Received: from 254-68-235-23.gwaiicomm.com ([23.235.68.254] helo=[10.10.10.9]) by emailh.ca with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r6WsS-000D9I-4B; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 06:09:52 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 06:09:52 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: fresh install v14 release - git problem Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jim Pazarena Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.27 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.994]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:23.235.65.64/26:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:852, ipnet:23.235.64.0/20, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[paz.bz]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScH1H2fCLz3ddy X-Spamd-Bar: / On 2023-11-24 4:57 AM, LuMiWa wrote: > On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:22:27 -0800 > Jim Pazarena wrote: > >> using git is new to me. >> I have always used portsnap with fetch/extract/update >> >> in a fresh v14 install, I have run: >> /usr/sbin/pkg install git >> git clone https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git /usr/ports >> git -C /usr/ports pull >> >> all seemed fine. >> Then I installed a few ports, a reboot, and the next >> >> git -C /usr/ports pull >> >> received this CLI response: >> >> unable to access 'https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git/': SSL >> certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate >> >> not sure how to proceed ? >> Assistance/advice would be appreciated. >> > > Portsnap is in ports now. I figured that I would go with the flow, and learn to use the git mechanism. Took a bit of googling and reading to pin down the specific CLI command that I needed for the minimal effort of the port installs. The issue which I reported above cleared itself a few hours later. So git updates seem to be working once again. Yours was the only response to my question. Thank you for that. -- Jim Pazarena fquest@paz.bz Haida Gwaii - British Columbia - Canada From nobody Fri Nov 24 15:28:50 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScJmN0fn6z51rwJ for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 15:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@tellme3times.com) Received: from mail.lrckinfo.com (173.magnatech.com [216.46.17.173]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScJmM49Yvz4XWl for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 15:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@tellme3times.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@tellme3times.com designates 216.46.17.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=chris@tellme3times.com; dmarc=none Received: from gatekeeper.tellme3times.com (gatekeeper.corp [69.70.25.74]) by mail.lrckinfo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8351CFA4C for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [192.168.7.61]) by gatekeeper.tellme3times.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB71211501 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Kiakas Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E01E0B00-A1B2-440B-89E8-F273F42CD628"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Subject: Upgrade form 13.2-RELEASE-p5 to 14.0-RELEASE took almost 24hours Message-Id: <93C2E7DA-5E04-454B-9532-318292EEAE9A@tellme3times.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:28:50 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.446]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11478, ipnet:216.46.0.0/19, country:CA]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tellme3times.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[chris]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScJmM49Yvz4XWl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --Apple-Mail=_E01E0B00-A1B2-440B-89E8-F273F42CD628 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This is the second system I=E2=80=99m upgrading which seems to take = forever compared to previous upgrades. The first system was a simple install that I use to test frr. The = system's original install was 13.2.-RELEASE and was upgraded over time = to 13.2-RELEASE-p5. 1TB ZFS HDD. The upgrade to 14.0-RELEASE was = standard up to the first reboot. After the reboot the next = freebsd-update install seemed to take a long time. I did=E2=80=99t pay = much attention because I was busy but there were no errors. It just felt = long. The second system has a raidz2 with 7 hard disks and is running 5 iocage = jails. It has 256G RAM. I=E2=80=99m in the process of the upgrade to = 14.0-RELEASE. Everything was as usual up until the second freebsd-upgrade install. The = one we preform after the reboot. It took about 20 hours. On the release notes we have the following; ZFS Changes OpenZFS has been upgraded to version 2.2. New features include: =E2=80=A2 block cloning, which allows shallow copies of blocks = in file copies. This is optional, and disabled by default; it can be = enabled with sysctl vfs.zfs.bclone_enabled=3D1. =E2=80=A2 scrub error log (zpool scrub -e) =E2=80=A2 BLAKE3 checksums, which are fast, and are now the = recommended secure checksums =E2=80=A2 corrective zfs receive can heal corrupted data =E2=80=A2 vdev and zpool user properties, similar to dataset = user properties. After searching on Google I came across; = https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/181ayev/freebsd_14_stuck_during_= upgrade/ which discusses the following as a solution. Spurious fsync() in freebsd-update after every write interacts poorly = with the file system, mostly because block cloning is not enabled, so = copy_file_range turns into a massive pessimization. Suggested a workaround is: 'sysctl vfs.zfs.dmu_offset_next_sync=3D0' because you sure do not want to enable block cloning in ZFS. Problem was reported on freebsd-current in late October My question is; Is this the proper step to speed up the install or could this lead to = other issues? I have 5 iocage jails to upgrade and if they take as long as the = original upgrade It will take at least the whole weekend. 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Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:31:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:31:41 -0500 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Upgrade form 13.2-RELEASE-p5 to 14.0-RELEASE took almost 24hours Content-Language: en-US To: Chris Kiakas , questions@freebsd.org References: <93C2E7DA-5E04-454B-9532-318292EEAE9A@tellme3times.com> From: mike tancsa Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; keydata= xsBNBFywzOMBCACoNFpwi5MeyEREiCeHtbm6pZJI/HnO+wXdCAWtZkS49weOoVyUj5BEXRZP xflV2ib2hflX4nXqhenaNiia4iaZ9ft3I1ebd7GEbGnsWCvAnob5MvDZyStDAuRxPJK1ya/s +6rOvr+eQiXYNVvfBhrCfrtR/esSkitBGxhUkBjOti8QwzD71JVF5YaOjBAs7jZUKyLGj0kW yDg4jUndudWU7G2yc9GwpHJ9aRSUN8e/mWdIogK0v+QBHfv/dsI6zVB7YuxCC9Fx8WPwfhDH VZC4kdYCQWKXrm7yb4TiVdBh5kgvlO9q3js1yYdfR1x8mjK2bH2RSv4bV3zkNmsDCIxjABEB AAHNHW1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5uZXQ+wsCOBBMBCAA4FiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs 4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQeVOEFl5W rMiN6ggAk3H5vk8QnbvGbb4sinxZt/wDetgk0AOR9NRmtTnPaW+sIJEfGBOz47Xih+f7uWJS j+uvc9Ewn2Z7n8z3ZHJlLAByLVLtcNXGoRIGJ27tevfOaNqgJHBPbFOcXCBBFTx4MYMM4iAZ cDT5vsBTSaM36JZFtHZBKkuFEItbA/N8ZQSHKdTYMIA7A3OCLGbJBqloQ8SlW4MkTzKX4u7R yefAYQ0h20x9IqC5Ju8IsYRFacVZconT16KS81IBceO42vXTN0VexbVF2rZIx3v/NT75r6Vw 0FlXVB1lXOHKydRA2NeleS4NEG2vWqy/9Boj0itMfNDlOhkrA/0DcCurMpnpbM7ATQRcsMzk AQgA1Dpo/xWS66MaOJLwA28sKNMwkEk1Yjs+okOXDOu1F+0qvgE8sVmrOOPvvWr4axtKRSG1 t2QUiZ/ZkW/x/+t0nrM39EANV1VncuQZ1ceIiwTJFqGZQ8kb0+BNkwuNVFHRgXm1qzAJweEt RdsCMohB+H7BL5LGCVG5JaU0lqFU9pFP40HxEbyzxjsZgSE8LwkI6wcu0BLv6K6cLm0EiHPO l5G8kgRi38PS7/6s3R8QDsEtbGsYy6O82k3zSLIjuDBwA9GRaeigGppTxzAHVjf5o9KKu4O7 gC2KKVHPegbXS+GK7DU0fjzX57H5bZ6komE5eY4p3oWT/CwVPSGfPs8jOwARAQABwsB2BBgB CAAgFiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwwACgkQeVOEFl5WrMiVqwf9GwU8 c6cylknZX8QwlsVudTC8xr/L17JA84wf03k3d4wxP7bqy5AYy7jboZMbgWXngAE/HPQU95NM aukysSnknzoIpC96XZJ0okLBXVS6Y0ylZQ+HrbIhMpuQPoDweoF5F9wKrsHRoDaUK1VR706X rwm4HUzh7Jk+auuMYfuCh0FVlFBEuiJWMLhg/5WCmcRfiuB6F59ZcUQrwLEZeNhF2XJV4KwB Tlg7HCWO/sy1foE5noaMyACjAtAQE9p5kGYaj+DuRhPdWUTsHNuqrhikzIZd2rrcMid+ktb0 NvtvswzMO059z1YGMtGSqQ4srCArju+XHIdTFdiIYbd7+jeehg== In-Reply-To: <93C2E7DA-5E04-454B-9532-318292EEAE9A@tellme3times.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 64.7.153.18 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScJqf3m68z4ZsN On 11/24/2023 10:28 AM, Chris Kiakas wrote: > On the release notes we have the following; > > ZFS Changes BTW, does FreeBSD upgrade from 13 to 14 do a zpool upgrade automatically or do you have to do that step manually ?     ---Mike From nobody Fri Nov 24 15:43:33 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScK5L4SJgz5208t for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 15:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@tellme3times.com) Received: from mail.lrckinfo.com (173.magnatech.com [216.46.17.173]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScK5L443yz3CyR for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 15:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@tellme3times.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from gatekeeper.tellme3times.com (gatekeeper.corp [69.70.25.74]) by mail.lrckinfo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC301CFA55; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [192.168.7.61]) by gatekeeper.tellme3times.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6724211585; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:43:33 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2EF6A57A-479C-4B4F-BB33-B05F19527912"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Subject: Re: Upgrade form 13.2-RELEASE-p5 to 14.0-RELEASE took almost 24hours From: Chris Kiakas In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 10:43:33 -0500 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <9518E749-4431-492E-A2F0-B1DC3F86685A@tellme3times.com> References: <93C2E7DA-5E04-454B-9532-318292EEAE9A@tellme3times.com> To: mike tancsa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11478, ipnet:216.46.0.0/19, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScK5L443yz3CyR --Apple-Mail=_2EF6A57A-479C-4B4F-BB33-B05F19527912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Upgrade to the pool is manual. > On Nov 24, 2023, at 10:31 AM, mike tancsa wrote: >=20 > On 11/24/2023 10:28 AM, Chris Kiakas wrote: >> On the release notes we have the following; >>=20 >> ZFS Changes >=20 > BTW, does FreeBSD upgrade from 13 to 14 do a zpool upgrade = automatically or do you have to do that step manually ? >=20 > ---Mike >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_2EF6A57A-479C-4B4F-BB33-B05F19527912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEi+l+WvjUMve3CBUQ0McJ9XNZ9LEFAmVgxKUACgkQ0McJ9XNZ 9LHveA/+P6FzUIas9KTHRM+8FoFvJMX37nhGKa5xXIRDqBCL5uSYrO3nJL0sPPAY eux927dxDvBc98Z2Y9s5K08+XSo1vzG64Vc99mJ5d3ktIX055Eeous+0OKNsTRmD 5LhsZj83I/pP3SSypZSlWdrxsFPEZ3zAgaNnoWa5gZSjMa9dGaRgTUEkPuQzuNsV 5laQJQ+zt9E9S89PZr5NCWsAimNsMD+DlloieS1mtwQg8l8zBng5Yy03Xqjx6sH2 jAZr2lBOo3sZeSWYbM126TC1jS3nq5CzaSsp+4kZfpbBFAFsuwmhX4ucXKl6Hxxh fqyfIMIC4XzJJYDrt+X7NjtOHgoyMgI86wIr4bolnIsPoJRoyiJwscDuzVBwTDQF PzempKsyUAKO6maW9MXVmsWlk7MuAKHG72Cyb40Ha0y1utxmL2kMaBMuBlGjEBAh qDD2j4xtTfVzMbjhSe/J/mVbOZu7W0JorRRtA7P72RRkqghh32WCX3nPpPfq0u0F VbAx9vZz42vOJoCx9R9rAI2AL/BVniNzlqRTaddVAyNuOQyatAFwO/Cwheb5pXK2 lvV4CAXkpIW8kSXuB9OJLrxwHtAILO63DW13J0Vw9bLkAZyAalYLkNTMrrKquw1k asMlyWzZk1o4Wg0tPcZ9i6uSHy+ozXOTMWfd8nUif2sydVB4dWs= =U/rW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2EF6A57A-479C-4B4F-BB33-B05F19527912-- From nobody Fri Nov 24 16:37:06 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScLHC2mVCz52PS7 for ; 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X-Authed-Username: Y2FybGpAcGVhay5vcmc= Received: from [199.58.99.88] ([199.58.99.88:31398] helo=bay.localnet) by mail.peak.org (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.1.20033 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.1.0^0)) with ESMTPA id B9/D1-15226-331D0656; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 11:37:08 -0500 Received: from carlj by bay.localnet with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r6ZAw-000MEb-1K for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:37:06 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fresh install v14 release - git problem In-Reply-To: <20231124075721.62c83f79@dismail.de> (lumiwa@dismail.de's message of "Fri, 24 Nov 2023 07:57:21 -0500") References: <0c60cc07-4676-44bf-89dd-5b12b1c85a1d@paz.bz> <20231124075721.62c83f79@dismail.de> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 08:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: <86v89rhzv1.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudehhedgledtucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeel X-Vade-Analysis-5: leekieejfeevteegieelhfdthfejhfevkefhheelheffjeeuleegjeeukeegleenucffohhmrghinhep X-Vade-Analysis-6: fhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrghenucfkphepudelledrheekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihii X-Vade-Analysis-7: vgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledrheekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhho X-Vade-Analysis-8: tggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhr X-Vade-Analysis-9: vggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhp X-Vade-Analysis-10: tddurdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhshihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddp X-Vade-Analysis-11: ihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghrpegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.97 / 15.00]; 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Before doing `zpool upgradez be aware that you will need to update your boot blocks or efiboot partition (whichever mechanism your machine uses) _before_ updating the zpool, or you will render your machine unbootable. Also, for maximum recoverability, be very careful to create and make backups of zpool including all your boot environments. So the suggested sequence of events should be something broadly like: * Upgrade system from 13 to 14 by whatever means you prefer, but you are strongly advised to create a new boot environment for FreeBSD 14 and also keep the FreeBSD 13 B.E. available for the time being. * Do whatever testing and qualification you require until you are confident the FreeBSD 14 upgrade hasn't resulted in bugs or regressions for your use-case. At minimum, just use FreeBSD 14 for a few days and look out for any problems. * Once you're sure you're never going to need to revert back to FreeBSD 13, update the bootblocks / efiboot to the version from FreeBSD 14. * Now you can apply the `zpool upgrade` This will make any FreeBSD 13 Boot Environments you may have unusable, so those can be deleted. For updating the bootblocks on a MBR system, see gptzfsboot(8) and the 'bootcode' subcommand of gpart(8). For updating efiboot, see efibootmgr(8) and the 'Upgrading from Previous Releases of FreeBSD' in the release notes: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ Now, it may or may not be possible to revert an upgrade to the zpool -- some property settings can be removed if they haven't been used yet, some can't. So trying to revert a `zpool upgrade` is not something you should count on being able to do. Take a look at the zpoolprops(7) man page for the details. 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does FreeBSD upgrade from 13 to 14 do a zpool upgrade > automatically >> or do you have to do that step manually ? >> > No, the system upgrade process very carefully does not do a zpool > upgrade, because that would make it impossible to back-out a botched > upgrade. > I am very glad it doesn't. There was an thread (the one about the docs) that seemed to imply this just happened as part of the upgrade process without user intervention.     ---Mike From nobody Fri Nov 24 18:25:20 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScNhF5GKKz526dl for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060006496fad.966cdcee28d3303105d58b66613f4faf@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScNhF4qwTz3CGZ for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5060006496fad.966cdcee28d3303105d58b66613f4faf@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1700850334; x=1703442334; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=EuEJUsxB1UJxFuwO5eLvCoeeh6APJjU1ZrJIPYlP0QA=; b=rjFB1UghAWij5p/smUqg9vctgvHbm0I7KJselHIOrOqM113L9oDbWvvkNNW7GVEZ3EFVQRSuDnj2faPUaiRNKQjr6jflDHXMF0YspOOBcPhdD8zr4YCUIzBNqJYfsu1PMZRSu1MjbeJ1oeM5dt+FpMNfG3JQnDpiyJNQbuMBmF4= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUwNjAwMDY0OTZmYWQucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:25:25 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:25:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1r6arh-000An0-VH; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:25:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 18:25:20 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: mike tancsa Cc: Matthew Seaman , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade form 13.2-RELEASE-p5 to 14.0-RELEASE took almost 24hours Message-Id: <20231124182520.9c48d2c6e659f723b7d6f5ed@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <3e7bb90b-1f11-4937-9623-2d9c94621cc9@sentex.net> References: <93C2E7DA-5E04-454B-9532-318292EEAE9A@tellme3times.com> <3e7bb90b-1f11-4937-9623-2d9c94621cc9@sentex.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScNhF4qwTz3CGZ On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:51:14 -0500 mike tancsa wrote: > I am very glad it doesn't. There was an thread (the one about the docs) > that seemed to imply this just happened as part of the upgrade process > without user intervention. To be completely clear not only does the zpool upgrade not happen as part of the OS upgrade but also the fatal reboot does not happen as part of the zpool upgrade or (usually - but it can) without user intervention. The advice to update boot blocks first is VERY good advice but failing that not doing so before rebooting is a great way of making life difficult. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Fri Nov 24 21:50:55 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScTFP4VcDz51NdH for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 21:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Received: from NAM10-MW2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-mw2nam10olkn2081b.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:7e89::81b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScTFN4DKXz4Y7f for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2023 21:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=hotmail.com header.s=selector1 header.b=u+d9pTfx; 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.991]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.971]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.694]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f400::/48]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScTFN4DKXz4Y7f X-Spamd-Bar: + On 11/24/23 10:43, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 24/11/2023 15:31, mike tancsa wrote: >   BTW, does FreeBSD upgrade from 13 to 14 do a zpool upgrade automatically >> or do you have to do that step manually ? >> >>      ---Mike > > No, the system upgrade process very carefully does not do a zpool > upgrade, because that would make it impossible to back-out a botched > upgrade. > > Before doing `zpool upgradez be aware that you will need to update your > boot blocks or efiboot partition (whichever mechanism your machine uses) > _before_ updating the zpool, or you will render your machine unbootable. > > Also, for maximum recoverability, be very careful to create and make > backups of zpool including all your boot environments. > > So the suggested sequence of events should be something broadly like: > > * Upgrade system from 13 to 14 by whatever means you prefer, but you are > strongly advised to create a new boot environment for FreeBSD 14 and > also keep the FreeBSD 13 B.E. available for the time being. Backups are strongly advised. Boot environments (=snapshots) and snapshots are a cheap imitation by comparison but get users past most problems without having to go through a 'restore from backup' and 'may' be quicker by comparison. Backups get you past all the same problems and the rest except for backup corruption/failure (backup testing+multiple backups fights this). Snapshots are nearly instant to create, simple to delete, and only take a bit more disk space than the newly written blocks after such snapshots are made so having them is good if not too tight on free space. > * Do whatever testing and qualification you require until you are > confident the FreeBSD 14 upgrade hasn't resulted in bugs or regressions > for your use-case.  At minimum, just use FreeBSD 14 for a few days and > look out for any problems. > > * Once you're sure you're never going to need to revert back to FreeBSD > 13, update the bootblocks / efiboot to the version from FreeBSD 14. The new boot loader gains knowledge of how to access the new ZFS pool feature sets but does not lose knowledge of how to access the old ones. You can continue to use a new loader just fine if you do go back. This step is safe to do sooner; if there are any bugs in the new boot loader, you will not find them until this step. If a new boot loader had a bug, you would have to install an older, or newer (fixed) boot loader anyways, and probably by booting from separate media as I suspect you found the issue by not being able to boot. > * Now you can apply the `zpool upgrade` This will make any FreeBSD 13 > Boot Environments you may have unusable, so those can be deleted. Boot environments do not contain the booted copy of the boot loader as zfs does not contain the booted copy. Booting takes place from non zfs sections either being mbr bootblocks or efi's fat filesystem bootblocks. Neither of those areas is ever a ZFS pool. The kernel (well, just its zfs module) may not be happy but you could always give it an install of sysutils/openzfs. It is easiest to install such programs while the discussed system boots, so before the pool upgrade. Not doing so would require installing the package/port when booted from separate media. Further bootloader updates need to come from a boot loader that understands the newer pool features; installing a bootloader from FreeBSD media that contains that same version, or newer, of ZFS is 'usually' adequate but there can be times where pool features exist that are not part of a boot loader yet. > For updating the bootblocks on a MBR system, see gptzfsboot(8) and the > 'bootcode' subcommand of gpart(8). > > For updating efiboot, see efibootmgr(8) and the 'Upgrading from Previous > Releases of FreeBSD' in the release notes: > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ > > Now, it may or may not be possible to revert an upgrade to the zpool -- > some property settings can be removed if they haven't been used yet, > some can't.  So trying to revert a `zpool upgrade` is not something you > should count on being able to do.  Take a look at the zpoolprops(7) man > page for the details. If you need that revert feature, you need to use zpool-checkpoint(8) instead of snapshots. Presuming no major destruction, you can then roll a pool back to a previous state including undoing new properties being activated+used. This was how pools with block cloning corruption were fixed without restoring from backup. It is a different workflow than snapshots and comes with some limitations. Checkpoints and shapshots are not a replacement for proper backups. >     Cheers, > >     Matthe From nobody Sat Nov 25 00:40:56 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ScY1l32mmz528p7 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2023 00:41:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL Global TLS RSA4096 SHA256 2022 CA1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ScY1j73msz3d6Q for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2023 00:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=iIomudQD; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gushi.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org Received: from smtpclient.apple (high.availability.mobile.mustelid.operational.command.kiosk.isc.org [149.20.66.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 3AP0f75h051363 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2023 00:41:07 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 3AP0f75h051363 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1700872867; bh=P4SITFr1YcLUpPmO7lQgBSwyujXXIRZ2lRDb21bRBb4=; h=From:Subject:Date:To; z=From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|Subject:= 20ZFS=20upgrade=20loader=20actions=20--=20is=20it=20possible=20to= 20check=20before=20reboot=0D=0A=20if=20your=20system=20will=20rebo ot=20cleanly?|Date:=20Fri,=2024=20Nov=202023=2016:40:56=20-0800|To :=20questions@freebsd.org; b=iIomudQDdJyHOm5rIXf7u5iOcUKp+kIYR1dAO0Zp+pm+3RTVsRBa1nANCGxlKRPpA 8KtRINHurZ7QnPadi+hXwd7WFZe5ET0QvqIOJ/SjQKfcT8HEjp6r8bgXP31nsPaNX9 Hw65EdRo19jtWHgS06eVLWU+HzG/ySJZANHmEX4qSAKrEVOvFwE+Q5wF2A22n8d4ic Xtkrci7F6YFYzkzljceTN0OY9B1DxJFWmJV0H5/qPYCREzREB45BQ0upm4DpIw9UKB tCyp8141wwGG+L3l9JIYgsQWt4adDGiyVI9hN2/Q3LY32aHp1blUV45dhTnYAr5jbl jFghbNSjlk59A== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host high.availability.mobile.mustelid.operational.command.kiosk.isc.org [149.20.66.196] claimed to be smtpclient.apple From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: ZFS upgrade loader actions -- is it possible to check before reboot if your system will reboot cleanly? 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I don=E2=80=99t agree with this. =20 I shied away from Linux for years because of nonfunctional man pages, or = man pages that someone bothered to write, but then to only point to a = postscript file on disk, or to point at an =E2=80=9Cinfo=E2=80=9D file. = I mused regularly that it=E2=80=99s sad that =E2=80=9CThe Linux = Documentation Project=E2=80=9D website is in fact a whole different = website from =E2=80=9CThe Linux Project=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6or any hundred = of Linux Projects. =20 Anyway, both threads talked about zpool upgrades and needing to update = your bootloader. I was recently bitten by this, requiring my datacenter = to put a physical disc in a drive for me to recover from. (And I even = had to ship them a USB cdrom drive =E2=80=94 don=E2=80=99t get me = started on supermicro=E2=80=99s virtual media implementation. it=E2=80=99= s bad). I understand that printing the raw commands to upgrade your boot loader = (and/or your pmbr) as part of the output of a successful =E2=80=9Czpool = upgrade=E2=80=9D is probably a bad idea, as the commands are not = one-size-fits-all, but having a special manpage for this process, = specifically (and having zpool upgrade point at that page) might be = useful.=20 If the handbook doesn=E2=80=99t say something about this process, then = it should as well. But also, it would be really nice to be able to poll the version of the = various components that are actually installed on the system (the boot = loader, and even the pmbr if you have one) and see if they=E2=80=99re = current and can support the current version of your boot pool. I don=E2=80=99t know if this is possible. Gpart bootcode, for example, = only has a command to *install* the bootcode, not read it back. Since = the loader and the mbr are tiny, highly optimized pieces of code, I = don=E2=80=99t know if there are any strings that can be examined to see = if they match the running system. But if the tools don=E2=80=99t exist, = they should =E2=80=94 even absent any version strings, if nothing else, = gpart bootcode should be able to non-intrusively compare a file with the = already existing one. 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScmXx4TVVz3FNx X-Spamd-Bar: --- On 11/23/23 20:01, mike tancsa wrote: > … > > Am I right in reading > sudo sysctl -w vfs.zfs.dmu_offset_next_sync=0 > > to work around the issue for now ? No, not according to recent observations. has key points, including a link to Bugzilla. Email is difficult for me recently, so (please) don't expect me to answer questions on any mail list. Thanks. 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To: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-xen@freebsd.org, royger@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000057995f060af88d0b" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.85)[-0.854]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.63)[-0.626]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::534:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org,freebsd-arm@freebsd.org,freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-xen@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Scqgn5Cnzz4Vnh X-Spamd-Bar: -- --00000000000057995f060af88d0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello to everyone. we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our arm (32 bit) Chromebook. As host / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It works great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as domU. Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm guest ?. I found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on arm. I would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by FreeBSD, in which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we enable the Xen PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's work was not accepted upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches and apply them ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel. We found these slides : https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/Porting%20FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what we want to find. It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were some limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian bookworm guest, I am using vcpus = '2' to match the number of real cpus on our Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a FreeBSD guest, so I will need to change that vcpus = '1' in the FreeBSD guest config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which is possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old. Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config file: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/conf But it is not there unless I am not understanding something correctly. For now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on arm that Julien Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago was never added to the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the web now to see if the patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted somewhere online. If we cannot find them, we can ask here and on the xen-users mailing list. Julien regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so I think he will tell us how to find the patches if we cannot find them online. According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going to be a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past ! I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here: https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel supports Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config for Xen on arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet. Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on Xen, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot : % file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+ zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little-endian) % file FREEBSD-XENVIRT FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), not stripped The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but the Linux kernel that does boot is in zImage format. I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and according to those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in the zImage format, so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen incorrectly detects as an x86 kernel. I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his work to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here : https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/ In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI for FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting occasional crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned the zImage ABI that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use that format, and back then it was an open question which format to use to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only supported format is still the zImage format that Linux uses. It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux uses and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to boot the FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So the best solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD kernel in the zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been studying the Makefiles in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm kernel in the zImage format, but it is not trivial to understand. -- Mario. --00000000000057995f060af88d0b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to every= one.

we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our arm (32 bit) Chr= omebook. As host / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It=20 works great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as domU. Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm=20 guest ?. I found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on arm. I would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by= =20 FreeBSD, in which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we=20 enable the Xen PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's wor= k was not accepted upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches=20 and apply them ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel.

We found these slides :

https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/file= s/slides/Porting%20FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf

Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what = we want to find.

It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were=20 some limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian=20 bookworm guest, I am using vcpus =3D '2' to match the number of rea= l cpus=20 on our Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a=20 FreeBSD guest, so I will need to change that vcpus =3D '1' in the F= reeBSD=20 guest config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which=20 is possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old.

Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel co= nfig file:

https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/= conf

But it is not there unless I am not understanding something=20 correctly. For now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on=20 arm that Julien Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago=20 was never added to the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the=20 web now to see if the patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted=20 somewhere online. If we cannot find them, we can ask here and on the=20 xen-users mailing list. Julien regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so I think he will tell us how to find the=20 patches if we cannot find them online.

According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki:

https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen

I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going=20 to be a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past !

I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here:

https://www.slide= share.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd

It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel=20 supports Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config=20 for Xen on arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet.

Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on X= en, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot :


% file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+
zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little=
-endian)

% file FREEBSD-XENVIRT         =20
FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dy=
namically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), not=
 stripped


The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but t= he Linux kernel that does boot is in zImage format.

I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and=20 according to those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in=20 the zImage format, so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen=20 incorrectly detects as an x86 kernel.

I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his wo= rk to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here :

https://archive.fosdem.or= g/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/

In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI for FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting=20 occasional crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned=20 the zImage ABI that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use=20 that format, and back then it was an open question which format to use=20 to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only=20 supported format is still the zImage format that Linux uses.

It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boo= t FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux=20 uses and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to=20 boot the FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So= =20 the best solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD=20 kernel in the zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been=20 studying the Makefiles in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm=20 kernel in the zImage format, but it is not trivial to understand.

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I don= =E2=80=99t agree with this. =20 >=20 > I shied away from Linux for years because of nonfunctional man pages, = or man pages that someone > bothered to write, but then to only point to a postscript file on disk= , or to point at an =E2=80=9Cinfo=E2=80=9D file. > I mused regularly that it=E2=80=99s sad that =E2=80=9CThe Linux Docume= ntation Project=E2=80=9D website is in fact a whole > different website from =E2=80=9CThe Linux Project=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6or = any hundred of Linux Projects. =20 >=20 > Anyway, both threads talked about zpool upgrades and needing to update= your bootloader. I was recently > bitten by this, requiring my datacenter to put a physical disc in a dr= ive for me to recover from. (And > I even had to ship them a USB cdrom drive =E2=80=94 don=E2=80=99t get = me started on supermicro=E2=80=99s virtual media > implementation. it=E2=80=99s bad). >=20 > I understand that printing the raw commands to upgrade your boot loade= r (and/or your pmbr) as part of > the output of a successful =E2=80=9Czpool upgrade=E2=80=9D is probably= a bad idea, as the commands are not > one-size-fits-all, but having a special manpage for this process, spec= ifically (and having zpool > upgrade point at that page) might be useful.=20 >=20 > If the handbook doesn=E2=80=99t say something about this process, then= it should as well. >=20 > But also, it would be really nice to be able to poll the version of th= e various components that are > actually installed on the system (the boot loader, and even the pmbr i= f you have one) and see if > they=E2=80=99re current and can support the current version of your bo= ot pool. >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t know if this is possible. Gpart bootcode, for example= , only has a command to *install* the > bootcode, not read it back. Since the loader and the mbr are tiny, hi= ghly optimized pieces of code, I > don=E2=80=99t know if there are any strings that can be examined to se= e if they match the running system. But > if the tools don=E2=80=99t exist, they should =E2=80=94 even absent an= y version strings, if nothing else, gpart > bootcode should be able to non-intrusively compare a file with the alr= eady existing one. >=20 > Does anyone know for sure? >=20 > -Dan There are at least 4 different types of documentation. * Developer API documentation * User interface documentation * How to/Example documentation * FAQs >From my point of view Linux is better bottom up and FreeBSD is better to= p down. Though that is an issue for your request because the current boo= t loader documentation definitely has a more developer bent to it. 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charset="UTF-8" On Friday, 24 November 2023 17:43:53 GMT Matthew Seaman wrote: > Now you can apply the `zpool upgrade` This will make any FreeBSD 13 > Boot Environments you may have unusable, so those can be deleted. My backup strategy involves using 'zfs send | zfs receive' to backup to an external USB drive. Will there be any problems backing up the upgraded pool to the 'not upgraded' external drive? Assuming that backing up to a 'not upgraded' pool is doable then am I correct in assuming that in the worst case I could revert to 13.2 by doing a fresh install of 13.2 and then restoring from a 13.2 snapshot on the backup drive. -- Mike Clarke --nextPart2660354.TYJnH3iKXO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"

On Friday, 24 November 2023 17:43:53 GMT Matthew Seaman wrote:


> Now you can apply the `zpool upgrade` This will make any FreeBSD 13

> Boot Environments you may have unusable, so those can be deleted.


My backup strategy involves using 'zfs send | zfs receive' to backup to an external USB drive. Will there be any problems backing up the upgraded pool to the 'not upgraded' external drive?


Assuming that backing up to a 'not upgraded' pool is doable then am I correct in assuming that in the worst case I could revert to 13.2 by doing a fresh install of 13.2 and then restoring from a 13.2 snapshot on the backup drive.


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Mike Clarke

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How? To: Mario Marietto Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-xen@freebsd.org, royger@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000021c269060afd0a2c" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4ScypR6fkGz3Fvc --00000000000021c269060afd0a2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 4:41=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello to everyone. > > we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our arm (32 bit) Chromebook. As hos= t > / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It works > great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as domU. > Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm guest ?. I > found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on arm. I > would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by FreeBSD, in > which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we enable the Xen > PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's work was not accepte= d > upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches and apply them > ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel. > > We found these slides : > > > https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/Porting%20= FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf > > Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what w= e > want to find. > > It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were some > limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian bookworm > guest, I am using vcpus =3D '2' to match the number of real cpus on our > Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a FreeBSD > guest, so I will need to change that vcpus =3D '1' in the FreeBSD guest > config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which is > possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old. > > Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel > config file: > > https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/conf > > But it is not there unless I am not understanding something correctly. Fo= r > now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on arm that Julien > Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago was never added to > the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the web now to see if th= e > patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted somewhere online. If we > cannot find them, we can ask here and on the xen-users mailing list. Juli= en > regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so I > think he will tell us how to find the patches if we cannot find them onli= ne. > > According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen > > I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going to be > a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know > Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past ! > > I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here: > > https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd > > It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel supports > Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config for Xen on > arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet. > > Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on > Xen, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot : > > > % file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+ > zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (litt= le-endian) > > % file FREEBSD-XENVIRT > FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), = dynamically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), n= ot stripped > > > The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but the Linux kernel > that does boot is in zImage format. > > I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and according to > those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in the zImage forma= t, > so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen incorrectly detects = as > an x86 kernel. > > I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his work to > boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here : > > https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/ > > In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI for > FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting occasional > crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned the zImage AB= I > that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use that format, and ba= ck > then it was an open question which format to use to boot FreeBSD/arm on > Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only supported format is still > the zImage format that Linux uses. > > It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boot > FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux uses > and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to boot the > FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So the best > solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD kernel in t= he > zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been studying the Makefil= es > in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm kernel in the zImage forma= t, > but it is not trivial to understand > Look at kernel.bin in FreeBSD's kernel. It's enabled -DWITH_KERNEL_BIN. It should be easy to adapt the target to build that. I've done similar things with u-boot formats in the past, but that was 4 employers and 20 years ago now. This path is not well trod. I do know that arm64 virtualization with bhyve is hitting the tree. I'm not sure how easy/hard this will be to modernize. I'm interested to see how your explorations go. Warner --00000000000021c269060afd0a2c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 4:41=E2=80=AF= AM Mario Marietto <marietto200= 8@gmail.com> wrote:
Hel= lo to everyone.

we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our arm (= 32 bit) Chromebook. As host / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It=20 works great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as domU. Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm=20 guest ?. I found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on arm. I would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by= =20 FreeBSD, in which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we=20 enable the Xen PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's wor= k was not accepted upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches=20 and apply them ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel.

We found these slides :

https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/file= s/slides/Porting%20FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf

Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what = we want to find.

It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were=20 some limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian=20 bookworm guest, I am using vcpus =3D '2' to match the number of rea= l cpus=20 on our Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a=20 FreeBSD guest, so I will need to change that vcpus =3D '1' in the F= reeBSD=20 guest config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which=20 is possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old.

Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel co= nfig file:

https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/= conf

But it is not there unless I am not understanding something=20 correctly. For now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on=20 arm that Julien Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago=20 was never added to the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the=20 web now to see if the patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted=20 somewhere online. If we cannot find them, we can ask here and on the=20 xen-users mailing list. Julien regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so I think he will tell us how to find the=20 patches if we cannot find them online.

According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki:

https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen

I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going=20 to be a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past !

I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here:

https://www.slide= share.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd

It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel=20 supports Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config=20 for Xen on arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet.

Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on X= en, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot :


% file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+
zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little=
-endian)

% file FREEBSD-XENVIRT         =20
FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dy=
namically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), not=
 stripped


The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but t= he Linux kernel that does boot is in zImage format.

I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and=20 according to those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in=20 the zImage format, so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen=20 incorrectly detects as an x86 kernel.

I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his wo= rk to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here :

https://archive.fosdem.or= g/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/

In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI for FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting=20 occasional crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned=20 the zImage ABI that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use=20 that format, and back then it was an open question which format to use=20 to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only=20 supported format is still the zImage format that Linux uses.

It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boo= t FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux=20 uses and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to=20 boot the FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So= =20 the best solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD=20 kernel in the zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been=20 studying the Makefiles in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm=20 kernel in the zImage format, but it is not trivial to understand

<= /div>

Look at kernel.bin = in FreeBSD's kernel. It's enabled -DWITH_KERNEL_BIN. It should be e= asy to adapt the target to build that. I've done similar things with u-= boot formats in the past, but that was 4 employers and 20 years ago now.

This path is not well trod. I do know that arm64= virtualization with bhyve is hitting the tree. I'm not sure how easy/h= ard this will be to modernize. I'm interested to see how your explorati= ons go.

Warner
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How? To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-hackers , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-xen@freebsd.org, royger@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005ff95f060b017cde" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sd5sh0FJrz3fc5 --0000000000005ff95f060b017cde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really don't know where to start. It sounds too technical for me. I don't even know what to ask to understand where to start. mmm...can someone provide some documentation ? but not too much dense with technicalities. Thanks. On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 4:41=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto > wrote: > >> Hello to everyone. >> >> we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our arm (32 bit) Chromebook. As >> host / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It >> works great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as >> domU. Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm gues= t >> ?. I found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on ar= m. >> I would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by FreeBSD, = in >> which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we enable the Xe= n >> PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's work was not accept= ed >> upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches and apply them >> ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel. >> >> We found these slides : >> >> >> https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/Porting%2= 0FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf >> >> Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what >> we want to find. >> >> It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were some >> limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian bookworm >> guest, I am using vcpus =3D '2' to match the number of real cpus on our >> Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a FreeBSD >> guest, so I will need to change that vcpus =3D '1' in the FreeBSD guest >> config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which is >> possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old. >> >> Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel >> config file: >> >> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/conf >> >> But it is not there unless I am not understanding something correctly. >> For now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on arm that Jul= ien >> Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago was never added t= o >> the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the web now to see if t= he >> patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted somewhere online. If we >> cannot find them, we can ask here and on the xen-users mailing list. Jul= ien >> regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so = I >> think he will tell us how to find the patches if we cannot find them onl= ine. >> >> According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki: >> >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen >> >> I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going to b= e >> a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know >> Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past ! >> >> I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here: >> >> https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd >> >> It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel support= s >> Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config for Xen o= n >> arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet. >> >> Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on >> Xen, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot : >> >> >> % file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+ >> zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (lit= tle-endian) >> >> % file FREEBSD-XENVIRT >> FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV),= dynamically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), = not stripped >> >> >> The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but the Linux kernel >> that does boot is in zImage format. >> >> I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and according >> to those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in the zImage >> format, so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen incorrectly >> detects as an x86 kernel. >> >> I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his work t= o >> boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here : >> >> https://archive.fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/ >> >> In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI fo= r >> FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting occasional >> crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned the zImage A= BI >> that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use that format, and b= ack >> then it was an open question which format to use to boot FreeBSD/arm on >> Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only supported format is still >> the zImage format that Linux uses. >> >> It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boot >> FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux use= s >> and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to boot the >> FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So the best >> solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD kernel in = the >> zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been studying the Makefi= les >> in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm kernel in the zImage form= at, >> but it is not trivial to understand >> > > Look at kernel.bin in FreeBSD's kernel. It's enabled -DWITH_KERNEL_BIN. I= t > should be easy to adapt the target to build that. I've done similar thing= s > with u-boot formats in the past, but that was 4 employers and 20 years ag= o > now. > > This path is not well trod. I do know that arm64 virtualization with bhyv= e > is hitting the tree. I'm not sure how easy/hard this will be to modernize= . > I'm interested to see how your explorations go. > > Warner > --=20 Mario. --0000000000005ff95f060b017cde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really don't know where to start. It sounds too tech= nical for me. I don't even know what to ask to understand where to star= t. mmm...can someone provide some documentation ? but not too much dense wi= th technicalities. Thanks.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM Warn= er Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:=


On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 4:41=E2=80=AFAM Mario Mariet= to <marietto= 2008@gmail.com> wrote:
= Hello to everyone.

we have just virtualized Debian 12 on our ar= m (32 bit) Chromebook. As host / dom0 we have chosen Devuan 5,and for guest / domU,Debian 12. It=20 works great. But our goal is different. We want to virtualize FreeBSD as domU. Can we have a working Xen PV network driver for a FreeBSD arm=20 guest ?. I found that Julien Grall has ported the Xen drivers to FreeBSD on arm. I would like to know if Julien's work was accepted upstream by= =20 FreeBSD, in which case FreeBSD as a Xen guest on arm should work if we=20 enable the Xen PV drivers in the FreeBSD on arm kernel. If Julien's wor= k was not accepted upstream by FreeBSD, we will have to find his patches=20 and apply them ourselves to the FreeBSD on arm kernel.

We found these slides :

https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/file= s/slides/Porting%20FreeBSD%20on%20Xen%20on%20ARM%20.pdf

Slide 13 refers to a XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel config - that is what = we want to find.

It looks like when that slide presentation was written, there were=20 some limitations on FreeBSD Xen guests. For example, for our debian=20 bookworm guest, I am using vcpus =3D '2' to match the number of rea= l cpus=20 on our Chromebook, but slide 13 mentions support for only 1 VCPU with a=20 FreeBSD guest, so I will need to change that vcpus =3D '1' in the F= reeBSD=20 guest config unless support for 2 or more vcpus was added later, which=20 is possible because that slide presentation is 9 years old.

Here is where I would expect to find the XENHVM FreeBSD on arm kernel co= nfig file:

https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/arm/= conf

But it is not there unless I am not understanding something=20 correctly. For now, unfortunately conclude that the support for Xen on=20 arm that Julien Grall mentioned in that slide presentation 9 years ago=20 was never added to the official FreeBSD source code. I am searching the=20 web now to see if the patches that Julien Grall wrote are still posted=20 somewhere online. If we cannot find them, we can ask here and on the=20 xen-users mailing list. Julien regularly reads that list and responds to question about Xen on arm, so I think he will tell us how to find the=20 patches if we cannot find them online.

According to this page from the FreeBSD wiki:

https://wiki.freebsd.org/Xen

I think FreeBSD only supports Xen on x86, not arm. So this is going=20 to be a bit of a challenge to get a Xen FreeBSD guest on arm working. We know Julien Grall has some patches that made it work in the past !

I found a slightly newer slide presentation by Julien here:

https://www.slide= share.net/xen_com_mgr/bsdcan-2015-how-to-port-your-bsd

It is about the same, but it mentions the GENERIC FreeBSD kernel=20 supports Xen on arm64, but still says we need the XENHVM FreeBSD config=20 for Xen on arm 32 bit, which I haven't found online yet.

Please,take a look at this output of the linux kernel that can boot on X= en, and the FreeBSD kernel that cannot :


% file zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+
zImage-6.1.59-stb-xen-cbe+: Linux kernel ARM boot executable zImage (little=
-endian)

% file FREEBSD-XENVIRT         =20
FREEBSD-XENVIRT: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dy=
namically linked, interpreter /red/herring, for FreeBSD 11.0 (1100048), not=
 stripped


The FreeBSD kernel that won't boot is in ELF format but t= he Linux kernel that does boot is in zImage format.

I spent time reading the docs on xenbits.xenproject.org, and=20 according to those docs Xen on arm only knows how to boot a kernel in=20 the zImage format, so the FreeBSD kernel is in a format that modern Xen=20 incorrectly detects as an x86 kernel.

I also watched Julien Grall's 30 minute video presentation of his wo= rk to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen at FOSDEM 2014 here :

https://archive.fosdem.or= g/2014/schedule/event/freebsd_xen_arm/

In that video, and in other places, Julien mentions that the boot ABI for FreeBSD/arm on Xen was not yet developed and he was getting=20 occasional crashes and needed to investigate the problem. He mentioned=20 the zImage ABI that Linux uses, but pointed out FreeBSD does not use=20 that format, and back then it was an open question which format to use=20 to boot FreeBSD/arm on Xen. Unfortunately, nine years later, the only=20 supported format is still the zImage format that Linux uses.

It looks like Julien's work back then was using an ELF binary to boo= t FreeBSD/arm on Xen instead of the supported zImage format that Linux=20 uses and the modern Xen toolstack exits with an error when trying to=20 boot the FreeBSD ELF formatted binary that Julien's patch creates. So= =20 the best solution would be to try to port the rules to build a FreeBSD=20 kernel in the zImage format instead of the ELF format. I have been=20 studying the Makefiles in Linux to see how Linux builds the Linux arm=20 kernel in the zImage format, but it is not trivial to understand

<= /div>

Look at kernel.bin = in FreeBSD's kernel. It's enabled -DWITH_KERNEL_BIN. It should be e= asy to adapt the target to build that. I've done similar things with u-= boot formats in the past, but that was 4 employers and 20 years ago now.

This path is not well trod. I do know that arm64= virtualization with bhyve is hitting the tree. I'm not sure how easy/h= ard this will be to modernize. I'm interested to see how your explorati= ons go.

Warner


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I already use devd for brightness, but I have not guessed what notification value I need to specify in the 'match "notify"' statement. I could just keep trying different values, I guess, but I hope that there is a way to get the event (ala xev(1)). I am hoping I can craft a devd statement that will return all notifications from match "system" "ACPI"; match "subsystem" "IBM"; match "notify" *; or something similar. Does devd support anything like this? If so, I should be able to pipe that to see the value. Thanks for any clues. I think I once knew how to do this, but my memory has lost it in hte past couple of decades. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --0000000000004afa13060b01ff66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am attempting to get the "mute" key = on my Thinkpad T16 to work. I already use devd for brightness, but I have n= ot guessed what notification value I need to specify in the 'match &quo= t;notify"' statement. I could just keep trying different=C2=A0 val= ues, I guess, but I hope that there is a way to get the event (ala xev(1)).=

I am hoping I can craft a devd statemen= t that will return all notifications from=C2=A0
match "= system" "ACPI"; match "subsystem" "IBM";= match "notify" *;
or something similar. Does devd= support anything like this? If so, I should be able to pipe that to see th= e value.

Thanks for any clues. I think I= once knew how to do this, but my memory has lost it in hte past couple of = decades.
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E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Fin= gerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
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