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Just for testing? Please see "man 5 pkg.conf", the EXAMPLES section, last entry, for a tidy solution. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:53:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:53:44 -0500 From: Vlad Markov To: Subject: usb device fails to mount Message-ID: <20231210075344.2549ac19@happy.dwarf7.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.05 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.66)[-0.660]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[optonline.net:s=dkim-002]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:65.20.63.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[optonline.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; 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Is there some magic I need to make this work? ugen7.5: at usbus7 umass0 on uhub8 umass0: on usbus7 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks =3D 0x4001 umass0:6:0: Attached to scbus6 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da0: Serial Number USBV1.00 da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da0: quirks=3D0x2 da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 1 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI device da1: Serial Number USBV1.00 da1: 40.000MB/s transfers da1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da1: quirks=3D0x2 My system: uname -a FreeBSD happy 13.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC amd64 --=20 --=20 I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be = questioned about their motives.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 Ralph Waldo Emerson From nobody Mon Dec 11 02:41:11 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpQx539wQz53km6 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpQx43h00z3LHk for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:41:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SpQwy0jCNz2fjVW for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C2EB758C-EB05-4AF0-95A8-CEF90DE4CB0E" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: freebsd-update Message-Id: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:11 -0800 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.37 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.78)[-0.779]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SpQx43h00z3LHk X-Spamd-Bar: -- --Apple-Mail=_C2EB758C-EB05-4AF0-95A8-CEF90DE4CB0E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system. = There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous = incarnation. I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere where = I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible? = /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago. -- Doug --Apple-Mail=_C2EB758C-EB05-4AF0-95A8-CEF90DE4CB0E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system.  There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous incarnation.  I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere where I can retrieve their contents.  Is this possible?  /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago.

-- Doug

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I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere where I > can retrieve their contents. Is this possible? /var/db/freebsd-update is > intact from several years and updates ago. > > -- Doug > Like what kind of files? freebsd-update should not mess with user files. --00000000000059fb6f060c343b9f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023, 10:41 PM Doug Hardie <bc979@lafn.org> wrote:
I have up= graded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system.=C2=A0 There are= two files I would like to retrieve from the previous incarnation.=C2=A0 I = don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere where I can retrieve= their contents.=C2=A0 Is this possible? =C2=A0/var/db/freebsd-update is in= tact from several years and updates ago.

-- Doug


Like what kind = of files? freebsd-update should not mess with user files.=C2=A0


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After that several rounds of portmaster -af should find all the breakages. >> >> I have found poudrière to be more reliable at rebuilding everything than portmaster. >> > Thanks - I could could find an install the relevant library manually, > but I want to know *why* a standard upgrade on a vanilla installation > broke. Are there any undocumented pre-upgrade steps. Good idea to use > pkg-static to recover pkg, but I took this as a bad sign and did a > rollback. I suspect there was more than just this wonky about it.The > certificate login was also broken, and I'm sure csh being swapped out > would cause trouble too :-( > Frank, I avoid major version upgrades and performed a fresh 14.0 install.  Then attempted to git clone releng/14.0 due to the errata notices.  Unfortunately neither git (GPLv2) nor got (ISCL) are included.  So, like curl and fetch, I set the environment variables HTTPS_PROXY and HTTP_PROXY and attempted to use pkg. Only much later did I realise (man pkg.conf Examples) that I needed to set these variables somewhere within pkg.conf. ie pkg didn't fail so we can compare. Anyway to your specifics.  My FreeBSD14.0R install has /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 while my BSD 13.2S has /usr/lib/libssl.so.111 I strongly suspect that either your upgrade has become muddled or you're using the ports version of pkg.  Check your search path for pkg with which pkg it should return /usr/sbin/pkg if it returns /usr/local/sbin/pkg then you are using the ports software, which remains linked to libssl.so.111.  The other clue is that pkg-static isn't in the base FreeBSD14.0 :) Aside: I can't speak for poudriere being more reliable as portmaster has serverd me very well, but I value predictability and simplicity ;) --------------c7qQQPES0triLZQT4WMl0Cig Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 9/12/2023 9:25 am, Frank Leonhardt wrote:
On 08/12/2023 19:21, robert@rrbrussell.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 8, 2023, at 12:43, Frank Leonhardt wrote:

<snip>
I got "bad vibes" going to from 13.2->14.0 - warnings that seemed 
reasonable about stuff missing from /src/ and suchlike that I didn't 
expect to see, but no actual errors as far as I could tell.

On completion, however, pkg was no longer working - the following error 
message:

'ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libssl.so.111" not found, required by "pkg"'
<snip>

Has anyone else had the same problem, and what are the runes to avoid it 
should I decide to have another go?
<snip>

pkg-static bootstrap -f will force an upgrade of pkg from the package repository. After that several rounds of portmaster -af should find all the breakages.

I have found poudrière to be more reliable at rebuilding everything than portmaster.

Thanks - I could could find an install the relevant library manually, but I want to know *why* a standard upgrade on a vanilla installation broke. Are there any undocumented pre-upgrade steps. Good idea to use pkg-static to recover pkg, but I took this as a bad sign and did a rollback. I suspect there was more than just this wonky about it. The certificate login was also broken, and I'm sure csh being swapped out would cause trouble too :-(

Frank,

I avoid major version upgrades and performed a fresh 14.0 install.  Then attempted to git clone releng/14.0 due to the errata notices.  Unfortunately neither git (GPLv2) nor got (ISCL) are included.  So, like curl and fetch, I set the environment variables HTTPS_PROXY and HTTP_PROXY and attempted to use pkg.   Only much later did I realise (man pkg.conf Examples) that I needed to set these variables somewhere within pkg.conf. ie pkg didn't fail so we can compare.

Anyway to your specifics.  My FreeBSD14.0R install has
/usr/lib/libssl.so.30
while my BSD 13.2S has
/usr/lib/libssl.so.111

I strongly suspect that either your upgrade has become muddled or you're using the ports version of pkg.  Check your search path for pkg with 

which pkg
it should return
/usr/sbin/pkg
if it returns /usr/local/sbin/pkg then you are using the ports software, which remains linked to libssl.so.111.  The other clue is that pkg-static isn't in the base FreeBSD14.0 :)

Aside: I can't speak for poudriere being more reliable as portmaster has serverd me very well, but I value predictability and simplicity ;)

--------------c7qQQPES0triLZQT4WMl0Cig-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 09:24:15 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpbtC3ZJFz53JZs for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SpbtC00k5z4Wc2 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from terra.edvax.de ([178.12.43.104]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [213.165.67.97]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M3lgJ-1rCLXY3HFr-000tlR; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:24:23 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (r56 [10.200.1.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by terra.edvax.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPA id 3BB9OKmk029451; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:24:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:24:15 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Doug Hardie Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update Message-Id: <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> References: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:d6qlK81m9ZqTNghIVLr4ugMClCdYaKHODrAIMzBsA91xcM6Vb/e I8u+UQVawdA8bUqAayzxDmB3N8wpPPmsZ3INmfI5tUPUen6KP6JXtscqDTUH2pxnl0fg/Qv eUKoFYawq7O7d8vFsIA+PeLlmt23cemfCjcYVqiHmKJF9PYi7qhkfIS4SbU6E949awlcfNN C1dRfWxG99J7nzpn8odBA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:SJYNIbEeA6o=;ktzadYGP+j4NsnQ3rlFFOXOjfGE UOb56raKfQDE9UNpMHPW/AZFoZk9X+RjQJnzv+VOvRSkfELW+S9W0+rSIhwwBHQudQ3S8rkCI hElQpxYZzScJwGNy0cvACIVhwaurE7JbkOxqj0BGeIHFAa4Z+Z9vn1p16wgYBfA6wB6NN0+ox o9ry6V521k731SMMxaVLdPIzB1zSNrkcYvP5yqyYbP41CrInpEUV3vAxOtHMt3V+8pfGIleYn NDjs4yQ5Qd46rK4kyUWENrAKIZsb/cMlxjrgNFPW7UEQ75TPUa7YftsQW2bjoR3jzZx7fEB3D nbEnvcC+xVoZsgLd4nS8KCU1/Qektp+YLKNFhhXS5NRaTl5a5bY6RB6ldzX1/3Yz/6sskxw+7 3xbih8ECK9FI5zVo38XLalDYTr1Svf8lvZWE3Vbro/dukw2e7/ssMFZFSnKE/B0YS6pJiIFf4 DQshz93nsn1FqofdcqdGPxnZlbLL1ZT7OOCv2AsU1JgnYtopiXcpqu0Do4gIDDLPVnMpgicYH jsy7LPPO0MFUDmd4zVayBaVEGXGa6KQf5zb7c7n48E0MwZrJaVnmFTeUuAqCEoZYzgXG4b6PC 5pn2/gPlT1BTY2nUkszGnHS6kDinYdILmxhF94/gpIYHFZoCoETzNCBBO192cOLqryHvnwi3/ 1ZIl14cBKSQgJqDct1Y9Ls7udk2ckc1xXn5tDayM/lVhAMK/x739b70NKskf//2Yu81yY+bFN EnZB/7GkVOC/KYC0UTvHevs5x+1yuboApUFuCO9NN6C9ojUf/9ANBEqfDF3G5WSX4qE0LMIu2 odlU/zXsuy3XwMRQNhC0Yq/6wkTnh1Twc8SCGlaG/c4HnznHtFLGRbIDfZALpeb6SSZMlbmtA Z34KsS6dkQlL9Ig== X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SpbtC00k5z4Wc2 On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:11 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: > I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system. > There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous > incarnation. I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere > where I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible? > /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago. There should be a backup of every file freebsd-update has modified. It is located in /var/tmp, if I remember correctly. What files in particular are you searching for? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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This is what happens when I try to upgrade my ports : # portupgrade -a [Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 1352 packages found - done] [Updating the portsdb in /usr/ports ... - 34881 port entries found .........1000. ........2000.........3000.........4000.........5000.........600 0.........7000.........8000.........9 000.........10000.........11000.........12000.........13000.... .....14000.........15000.........1600 0.........17000.........18000.........19000.........20000...... ...21000.........22000.........23000. ........24000.........25000.........26000.........27000........ .28000.........29000.........30000... ......31000.........32000.........33000.........34000........ ..... done] make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk" line 1194: warning: duplicate script for target "show-unsupported-system-error" ignored make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk" line 1200: warning: using previous script for "show-unsupported-system-error" defined here ** Port marked as IGNORE: ftp/curl: You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value ** Port marked as IGNORE: mail/fetchmail: You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value ** Port deleted on 2023-04-25: x11/libdmx Upstream removed support for Xdmx server ** Port deleted on 2023-03-12: devel/libpthread-stubs No consumers left and never supported pthread stubs in libc on FreeBSD ** Port marked as IGNORE: security/p5-GSSAPI: You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value ** Port marked as IGNORE: net-im/telegram-desktop: is marked as broken: does not build with DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=ssl=openssl: undefined symbol: ERR_load_BIO_strings ** Port marked as IGNORE: devel/wasi-libcxx: is a meta port; there is nothing to build ---> Upgrading 'bastille-0.10.20231013' to 'bastille-0.10.20231125' (sysutils/bastille) ---> Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bastille' ===> Cleaning for bastille-0.10.20231125 /!\ ERROR: /!\ Ports Collection support for your FreeBSD version has ended, and no ports are guaranteed to build on this system. Please upgrade to a supported release. No support will be provided if you silence this message by defining ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM. *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/sysutils/bastille egrep: empty (sub)expression ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20231211-7863-qu8701 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=bastille-0.10.20231013 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=0.10.20231013 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ---> Upgrading 'go120-1.20.8' to 'go120-1.20.12' (lang/go120) ---> Building '/usr/ports/lang/go120' ===> Cleaning for go120-1.20.12 /!\ ERROR: /!\ Ports Collection support for your FreeBSD version has ended, and no ports are guaranteed to build on this system. Please upgrade to a supported release. No support will be provided if you silence this message by defining ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM. *** Error code 1 Stop. and so on. I don't understand the reason,since I'm using a version of FreeBSD that's enough recent : # freebsd-version -kru ; uname -aKU 13.2-RELEASE-p4 13.2-RELEASE-p4 13.2-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD marietto 13.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC amd64 1302001 1302001 # pkg -vv | grep -e url -e enabled -e priority url : "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:13:amd64 /latest", enabled : yes, priority : 0, it seems that I do respect the parameters configured to understand if one uses a recent version of FreeBSD : # nano bsd.port.mk . if ${OPSYS} == FreeBSD && (${OSVERSION} < 1204000 || (${OSVERSION} >= 1300000 && ${OSVERSION} < 1302000)) _UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM_MESSAGE= Ports Collection support for your ${OPSYS} version has ended, and no ports\ are guaranteed to build on this system. Please upgrade to a supported version. OSVERSION!= ${AWK} '/^\#define[[:blank:]]__FreeBSD_version/ {print $$3}' < ${CROSS_SYSROOT}/usr/include/sys/param.h so : {OSVERSION} < 1204000 : no {OSVERSION} >= 1300000 : yes {OSVERSION} < 1302000 : no MY OSVERSION = 1302001 so I'm ok. There should be another reason that fools the script... -- Mario. --0000000000005aac3b060c38df58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello.

This is what happens when I try to upgrade my ports :


# portupgrade -a

[Reading data from pkg(8) ... - 1352 packages found - done]
[Updating the portsdb <format:bdb_btree> in /usr/ports ... -=20
34881 port entries found .........1000.
........2000.........3000.........4000.........5000.........600
0.........7000.........8000.........9
000.........10000.........11000.........12000.........13000....
.....14000.........15000.........1600
0.........17000.........18000.........19000.........20000......
...21000.........22000.........23000.
........24000.........25000.........26000.........27000........
.28000.........29000.........30000...
......31000.........32000.........33000.........34000........=20
..... done]

make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk&qu=
ot; line 1194: warning: duplicate
script for target "show-unsupported-system-error" ignored
make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk&qu=
ot; line 1200: warning: using=20
previous script for "show-unsupported-system-error" defined=20
here

** Port marked as IGNORE: ftp/curl:
        You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected=20
GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value
** Port marked as IGNORE: mail/fetchmail:
        You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected=20
GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value
** Port deleted on 2023-04-25: x11/libdmx
        Upstream removed support for Xdmx server
** Port deleted on 2023-03-12: devel/libpthread-stubs
        No consumers left and never supported pthread stubs in=20
libc on FreeBSD
** Port marked as IGNORE: security/p5-GSSAPI:
        You are using OpenSSL from ports and have selected GSSAPI from base=
, please select another GSSAPI value
** Port marked as IGNORE: net-im/telegram-desktop:
        is marked as broken: does not build with DEFAULT_VERSIONS+=3Dssl=3D=
openssl: undefined symbol: ERR_load_BIO_strings
** Port marked as IGNORE: devel/wasi-libcxx:
        is a meta port; there is nothing to build
--->  Upgrading 'bastille-0.10.20231013' to 'bastille-0.10.2=
0231125' (sysutils/bastille)
--->  Building '/usr/ports/sysutils/bastille'
=3D=3D=3D>  Cleaning for bastille-0.10.20231125
/!\ ERROR: /!\

Ports Collection support for your FreeBSD version has ended,=20
and no ports are guaranteed to build on this system. Please=20
upgrade to a supported release.

No support will be provided if you silence this message by=20
defining ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM.

*** Error code 1

Stop.
make: stopped in /usr/ports/sysutils/bastille
egrep: empty (sub)expression
** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa=20
/tmp/portupgrade20231211-7863-qu8701 env=20
UPGRADE_TOOL=3Dportupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=3Dbastille-0.10.20231013=20
UPGRADE_PORT_VER=3D0.10.20231013 make

** Fix the problem and try again.

--->  Upgrading 'go120-1.20.8' to 'go120-1.20.12' (lang/=
go120)
--->  Building '/usr/ports/lang/go120'
=3D=3D=3D>  Cleaning for go120-1.20.12
/!\ ERROR: /!\

Ports Collection support for your FreeBSD version has ended,
and no ports are guaranteed to build on this system. Please=20
upgrade to a supported release.

No support will be provided if you silence this message by=20
defining ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM.

*** Error code 1

Stop.

and so on.


I don't understand the reason,since I&#= 39;m using a version of FreeBSD that's enough recent :


# freebsd-version -kr=
u ; uname -aKU

13.2-RELEASE-p4
13.2-RELEASE-p4
13.2-RELEASE-p7

FreeBSD marietto 13.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p4=20
GENERIC amd64 1302001 1302001

# pkg -vv | grep -e url -e enabled -e priority

url             : "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:13:amd64
/latest",
enabled         : yes,
priority        : 0,


it seems that I do respect the parameters c= onfigured to understand if one uses a recent version of FreeBSD :


# nano bsd.port.mk

. if ${OPSYS} =3D=3D FreeBSD && (${OSVERSION} < 1204000 ||
 (${OSVERSION} >=3D 1300000 && ${OSVERSION} < 1302000))
_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM_MESSAGE=3D Ports Collection support for your ${OPSYS} v=
ersion has ended, and no ports\
are guaranteed to build on this system.=20
Please upgrade to a supported version.

OSVERSION!=3D ${AWK} '/^\#define[[:blank:]]__FreeBSD_version/=20
{print $$3}' < ${CROSS_SYSROOT}/usr/include/sys/param.h


so :


{OSVERSION} < 1204000 : no
{OSVERSION} >=3D 1300000 : yes=20
{OSVERSION} < 1302000 : no


MY OSVERSION =3D 1302001

so I'm ok. There should be another reason t= hat fools the script...

--
Mario.
--0000000000005aac3b060c38df58-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 10:16:47 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Spd2g1fSTz53Nhj for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Spd2f58Bdz4cm0 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Spd2d1H3Xz2fjXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:16:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: freebsd-update From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:16:47 -0800 Cc: Doug Hardie , questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52B31BB7-A108-4716-AFB8-F03C76029440@sermon-archive.info> References: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Spd2f58Bdz4cm0 > On Dec 11, 2023, at 01:24, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:11 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: >> I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system. >> There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous >> incarnation. I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere >> where I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible?=20 >> /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago. >=20 > There should be a backup of every file freebsd-update has modified. > It is located in /var/tmp, if I remember correctly. >=20 > What files in particular are you searching for? I didn't find anything in /var/tmp except for the vi recovery files. = Looking for sshd_config and ssh_config. -- Doug From nobody Mon Dec 11 10:42:41 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpdcW0Dqqz53QXP for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fl1ger.de) Received: from smtp.guxx.net (smtp.guxx.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:a0:322c::25:42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpdcV2Ggyz3D2t for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fl1ger.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@fl1ger.de designates 2a01:4f8:a0:322c::25:42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@fl1ger.de; dmarc=none Received: from [192.168.42.110] (p4ff53834.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.245.56.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by nyx.guxx.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F8C55F40670; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:42:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Ralf Weber To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: IPv6 not working on linux compatibilty layer Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:42:41 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r6010) Message-ID: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.37 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.472]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fl1ger.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SpdcV2Ggyz3D2t X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Moin! After upgrading to 14 I wanted to check the linux compatiblity layer as o= ne appliation I use is only available as a linux binary to me. So I follo= wed all the steps described in the Handbook for Ubunutu 20.04 and can do = normal Ubuntu stuff there now (e.g apt updrade), but IPv6 does not seem t= o work at all, as any usage of it throws an error: root@bto:/# ping6 2001:4860:4860::8888 ping6: IPV6_RECVERR: Protocol not available the other strange thing is that in the linux chroot environemnt I can see= the IPv6 addresses when using ip addr list however I can not seem them when using ifconfig Am I=E2=80=99m missing some configurations? Any help appreciated. So long -Ralf --- Ralf Weber From nobody Mon Dec 11 16:52:49 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SpnqV3X4Jz53qHd for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com [129.213.214.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SpnqT2NtVz4Mn3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=peak.org header.s=synacor-nrtc header.b=SjpezWGB; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 129.213.214.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=peak.org; s=synacor-nrtc; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@peak.org; t=1702313571; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=S6ZlnAAxB2Tg7y51oDQi+4la1HI=; b=SjpezWGBTZzZyiMEHYqEH1VV24OF4tMhZOagV2Qpsne2oKf7jhw1XlxhE3sNlb3l 7zxrRfcBK7hIfvlZpFuty3fLTtEkC9bukB4/M+kYQJsCcZ07PrCpRV7qiPGPrlxM GB6+fznfBevCJH+P1uFnSI3O+X/MCtPk5elj5QnD+fQgavvwICCgVPfm/d62BYgf CfuH2Yvz/Cwg7+SKFzTsNalcaG8fGfp4tfQpqwOC4QlYb8vfMUtnvN9JyvVVhpTd HmnVQObo02D21ngXP1RKsP3xmp1Gc4nH0Jm6Pur8bbUm1JMB0XRL151TA3bkJuIf CZg2zSmVjufImcZr5yshxQ==; X-Authed-Username: Y2FybGpAcGVhay5vcmc= Received: from [199.58.99.88] ([199.58.99.88:32039] helo=bay.localnet) by mail.peak.org (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.1.20033 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.1.0^0)) with ESMTPA id 75/DF-04489-36E37756; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 11:52:51 -0500 Received: from carlj by bay.localnet with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rCjWT-0001cv-0a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:52:49 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update In-Reply-To: <52B31BB7-A108-4716-AFB8-F03C76029440@sermon-archive.info> (Doug Hardie's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2023 02:16:47 -0800") References: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> <52B31BB7-A108-4716-AFB8-F03C76029440@sermon-archive.info> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 08:52:49 -0800 Message-ID: <86a5qgy93y.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudelvddgleeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedt X-Vade-Analysis-5: hffgudeffeffvdehgfektdehuedukedtlefggfdvtedvgeefudefieefvdeufeenucfkphepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-6: heekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-7: heekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhhotggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhl X-Vade-Analysis-8: jhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggv X-Vade-Analysis-9: sghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhptddvrdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhs X-Vade-Analysis-10: hihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddpihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghr X-Vade-Analysis-11: pegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.17 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[peak.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:129.213.214.220]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[129.213.214.220:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[peak.org:s=synacor-nrtc]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:129.213.208.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[129.213.214.220:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[peak.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SpnqT2NtVz4Mn3 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Doug Hardie writes: >> On Dec 11, 2023, at 01:24, Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:11 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: >>> I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one system. >>> There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous >>> incarnation. I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere >>> where I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible? >>> /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago. >> >> There should be a backup of every file freebsd-update has modified. >> It is located in /var/tmp, if I remember correctly. >> >> What files in particular are you searching for? > > I didn't find anything in /var/tmp except for the vi recovery files. Looking for sshd_config and ssh_config. > > -- Doug It is in /var/db/freebsd-update, not /var/tmp. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From nobody Mon Dec 11 20:12:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SptG00BSfz542tZ for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SptFz5C0bz4j6d for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SptFy3fsgz2fjXX; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:12:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: freebsd-update From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86a5qgy93y.fsf@bay.localnet> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:12:28 -0800 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> <52B31BB7-A108-4716-AFB8-F03C76029440@sermon-archive.info> <86a5qgy93y.fsf@bay.localnet> To: Carl Johnson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SptFz5C0bz4j6d > On Dec 11, 2023, at 08:52, Carl Johnson wrote: >=20 > Doug Hardie writes: >=20 >>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 01:24, Polytropon wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 18:41:11 -0800, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>> I have upgraded using freebsd-update a number of time on one = system. >>>> There are two files I would like to retrieve from the previous >>>> incarnation. I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere >>>> where I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible?=20 >>>> /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates = ago. >>>=20 >>> There should be a backup of every file freebsd-update has modified. >>> It is located in /var/tmp, if I remember correctly. >>>=20 >>> What files in particular are you searching for? >>=20 >> I didn't find anything in /var/tmp except for the vi recovery files. = Looking for sshd_config and ssh_config. >>=20 >> -- Doug >=20 > It is in /var/db/freebsd-update, not /var/tmp. I found /var/db/freebsd-update/files which has files from 2017 and on = till the last update. However, the names are encoded in some way - = e.g., 092a2690192245310b6c7db95cde1ace858b83380538e7db34473a1d22451fc1.gz I probably need to clean up that directory, but how do I find the file = name from the above? -- Doug From nobody Mon Dec 11 22:52:54 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Spxpy1Ctvz54CrH for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com [129.213.214.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Spxpx2VF4z3Dxf for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=peak.org header.s=synacor-nrtc header.b=Gy7B4kMa; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 129.213.214.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org; 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Mon, 11 Dec 2023 14:52:54 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update In-Reply-To: (Doug Hardie's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2023 12:12:28 -0800") References: <6D99F68F-1B96-4DDC-AFDF-A245EFBE8F7A@sermon-archive.info> <20231211102415.25366753.freebsd@edvax.de> <52B31BB7-A108-4716-AFB8-F03C76029440@sermon-archive.info> <86a5qgy93y.fsf@bay.localnet> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 14:52:54 -0800 Message-ID: <865y14xsft.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudelfedgtdefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedt X-Vade-Analysis-5: hffgudeffeffvdehgfektdehuedukedtlefggfdvtedvgeefudefieefvdeufeenucfkphepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-6: heekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-7: heekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhhotggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhl X-Vade-Analysis-8: jhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggv X-Vade-Analysis-9: sghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhptddvrdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhs X-Vade-Analysis-10: hihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddpihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghr X-Vade-Analysis-11: pegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; 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I don't want to revert them, just put them somewhere >>>>> where I can retrieve their contents. Is this possible? >>>>> /var/db/freebsd-update is intact from several years and updates ago. >>>> >>>> There should be a backup of every file freebsd-update has modified. >>>> It is located in /var/tmp, if I remember correctly. >>>> >>>> What files in particular are you searching for? >>> >>> I didn't find anything in /var/tmp except for the vi recovery files. Looking for sshd_config and ssh_config. >>> >>> -- Doug >> >> It is in /var/db/freebsd-update, not /var/tmp. > > I found /var/db/freebsd-update/files which has files from 2017 and on > till the last update. However, the names are encoded in some way - > e.g., > > 092a2690192245310b6c7db95cde1ace858b83380538e7db34473a1d22451fc1.gz > > I probably need to clean up that directory, but how do I find the file name from the above? I haven't actually done anything with that, but look in the install.* directories. The *-rollback symbolic link will point to the latest of those. Each of those directories contains a INDEX-NEW and INDEX-OLD file. Those files contain a list of file names and information about the files, including the first part of that string (before the .gz) that points to the files in the files/ subdirectory. I imagine freebsd-update uses that information to rollback before a change, but I don't know of anything else that can use that information. 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Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly) 2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases being run root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # grep a: /etc/aliases a: /var/mail/test/a root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # newaliases root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # !sen -su: !sen: not found root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # sendmail -bi a sendmail: invalid recipient `a' On 13 I have no issue with the above: root@sarek1024:/etc/mail # grep 'a:' aliases a: /var/mail/test/a root@sarek1024:/etc/mail # newaliases /etc/mail/aliases: 55 aliases, longest 16 bytes, 739 bytes total Note I copied the aliases from 13 to 14 with scp -- Aryeh M. 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The problem is, the second command spends a lot of time re-building the same things (gcc, llvm, rust, etc) as the first. `-b` isn't particularly useful because I'm using a current ports tree, so I need to build a lot of packages at least once. I'd like to have the second command re-use the packages built by the first command where possible. Here are some things I tried: 1. -b file:///usr/local/.../132amd64-main - doesn't work because the jail can't access that path, which makes sense 2. serving packages via nginx, and passing the url as -b - doesn't work because FreeBSD.conf sets mirror_type=srv and signature_type=fingerprints 3. modifying the jail's FreeBSD.conf file directly - fails with "pkg: Error fetching http://localhost:8181/132amd64-main/Latest/pkg.pkg.sig: Not Found A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system." Is there a way to have poudriere build two separate package repos (one named with the set) where one uses pre-built packages from the first repo if possible? 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Message-ID: <6hfy5n2adgcmzstqktwbmv56xvkrc5w7skoog3tcexvivdwnvz@whyo4fyw3p3u> References: <0ee5ccf5-31af-4f7a-95da-0f27d59f2259@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0ee5ccf5-31af-4f7a-95da-0f27d59f2259@app.fastmail.com> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:00:33AM -0800, Pat Maddox wrote: > I want to build two package repos: 1) the vanilla ports tree 2) ports tree + my overlay > > The commands I use are: > > poudriere bulk -p main -j 132amd64 -b latest > > and > > poudriere bulk -z maintain -j 132amd64 -p main -O maintain -b latest > > Which produces /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/132amd64-main and /usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/132amd64-main-maintain. > > The problem is, the second command spends a lot of time re-building the same things (gcc, llvm, rust, etc) as the first. `-b` isn't particularly useful because I'm using a current ports tree, so I need to build a lot of packages at least once. > > I'd like to have the second command re-use the packages built by the first command where possible. > > Here are some things I tried: > > 1. -b file:///usr/local/.../132amd64-main - doesn't work because the jail can't access that path, which makes sense > 2. serving packages via nginx, and passing the url as -b - doesn't work because FreeBSD.conf sets mirror_type=srv and signature_type=fingerprints > 3. modifying the jail's FreeBSD.conf file directly - fails with "pkg: Error fetching http://localhost:8181/132amd64-main/Latest/pkg.pkg.sig: Not Found A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system." > > Is there a way to have poudriere build two separate package repos (one named with the set) where one uses pre-built packages from the first repo if possible? > No it is not possible, yes this would be really great, this is a good feature request for poudriere, the TOTO is long, in poudriere! I will try to not forget about this proposal. Bapt From nobody Tue Dec 12 09:37:42 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqD735xHJz53j96 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from C.Brinkhaus@t-online.de) Received: from mailout11.t-online.de (mailout11.t-online.de [194.25.134.85]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqD722ylNz3Fn8 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from C.Brinkhaus@t-online.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of C.Brinkhaus@t-online.de designates 194.25.134.85 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=C.Brinkhaus@t-online.de; dmarc=none Received: from fwd71.aul.t-online.de (fwd71.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.97]) by mailout11.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 193E116F2D for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:37:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([217.226.189.5]) by fwd71.t-online.de with (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1rCzCz-0NV89w0; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:37:46 +0100 Received: from thinkpad.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0a4235c0 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:37:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (from chris@localhost) by thinkpad.local (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3BC9bgsd018054 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:37:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:37:42 +0100 From: Christoph Brinkhaus To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-ID: References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kyO+4zGAdUNdUCJC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1702373866-E5A18957-29F01143/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: 87ff2ba3-c3d7-4a4b-9e99-e1d9b8605a7d X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.93 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.980]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.85)[0.848]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.25.134.80/28]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:194.25.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[194.25.134.85:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[t-online.de]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[t-online.de]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[194.25.134.85:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqD722ylNz3Fn8 X-Spamd-Bar: / --kyO+4zGAdUNdUCJC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500 schrieb Aryeh Friedman: > I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following > the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can > not get the following issues resolved: >=20 > 1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly) > 2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found > despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases > being run >=20 > root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # grep a: /etc/aliases > a: /var/mail/test/a > root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # newaliases > root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # !sen > -su: !sen: not found > root@sarek2048:/etc/mail # sendmail -bi a > sendmail: invalid recipient `a' >=20 > On 13 I have no issue with the above: >=20 > root@sarek1024:/etc/mail # grep 'a:' aliases > a: /var/mail/test/a > root@sarek1024:/etc/mail # newaliases > /etc/mail/aliases: 55 aliases, longest 16 bytes, 739 bytes total >=20 > Note I copied the aliases from 13 to 14 with scp Hello Aryeh, /etc/mail/mailer.conf has been tuned to be used with dma instead of sendmail. I do not use sendmail but opensmtpd. With the updated mailer.conf I have had issues, too. Then I restored the content to a previous version. ~> cat /etc/mail/mailer.conf # # Execute the "real" sendmail program, named # /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail # # If dma(8) is installed, an example mailer.conf that uses dma(8) # instead can # can be found in /usr/share/examples/dma. # sendmail /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail mailq /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail newaliases /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail hoststat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail purgestat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail Everything is back to normal. Since I do not use sendmail I am not sure if this helps in your setup, but it might be worth to try. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqGfk1WRsz3Tcb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can >not get the following issues resolved: > >1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly) >2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases >being run Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ and grep for 'sendmail' -- From nobody Tue Dec 12 15:40:53 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqNB15S99z546Gr for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqNB10Z6Jz4VqQ for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wfdudley@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="Xe/DyVLL"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wfdudley@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wfdudley@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-qv1-xf2a.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-67aa0f5855cso24307346d6.1 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702395655; x=1703000455; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7Q2BIwyDYkqb5NIxefIHmi0XLIwbNdWnAZNMnOKzAkg=; b=Xe/DyVLLZL90BxJaji2/9Z6Vl6Yj4FMBYT444fUucbeZ5aK4tCpvbCkViRJkR9xcL6 h3tpsnmXLjGJmjn4dmC+NzlGA7oAtEfJL0spm1jna8okWctXDtHd7VvbTx0b2uC6JZs4 n2zo1ycVLpPOYYEVSaW+ew9Nx4pAzNwO2xxToTvVEgKPUEHeBp63MP0IDNnfiRdWtojo 7QXz70+tP/1zq3cCsya/NkyR++Rdh1zbWvFaZX3Ld7Wuo0yLhLNpWdH1vYBKnC6V5pAL +djQ2Lz138vGCVVI/9+NTuNmK5GJhjwa/rl6R3+OE74CCbhTeKGpdvyfk/tMv8n1dDoM O/bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702395655; x=1703000455; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7Q2BIwyDYkqb5NIxefIHmi0XLIwbNdWnAZNMnOKzAkg=; b=JD0wZ5Bg1aE450iaKSWQZ9GmhqP8wpdhZNwRkhv8Vudx0nqIBVEpp9jZ2WRZFKc2vr kKHTUgMQc0drNUvepV+GsL3AxtDl2+6rriP+7wavh9Njs+52LG3du/kBlT3yB2LPDSnp IaLwtrblq9TjJtq6bMVSfeypyEY/ElBUNmuKNHxVrzshS8aZXlvZsQvVHEo/bwG7IxXk 7y7cxb3U5xPNmrOyZeG6IDTdBHna2rttCLlTB+ztDuuaFqJueju6OEjTuE+wEy+CAONz qQWtP4sfqFnv7Egg8V2wlYN5zYocb3tVrYB+amDpbyYrqQm721vEju98pB2s1PS/+JQe PMww== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz+9SMjDRRu7wASuRadoCPQS/26aQYGY5+EWzDsuazgsjoi3eTW PQyRFd0o+LSuy1Ln4ewK5H21ck3kzwZE5ApLv6CWsh4wt2c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFM/Z53YzHFaE2Redy9H4x2ndf+BCvF1qmUm2g4gkOGu42+irRWtlPujx6dGQla4C9h/3qfaq4dE5aEyREM02g= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1cc1:b0:67a:62c5:a5dd with SMTP id g1-20020a0562141cc100b0067a62c5a5ddmr4839074qvd.11.1702395655281; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 07:40:55 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: William Dudley Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 10:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.98 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2a:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqNB10Z6Jz4VqQ X-Spamd-Bar: - --0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this question, but what is the point of "replacing" sendmail with dma? >From this: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Da67b925ff3e5, which is referenced from the release notes for 14 "dma accepts mail from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept inbound mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended to provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail." So, why? It's not a replacement for sendmail in any sense at all, as it can't actually receive mail from outside the machine. If one runs a FreeBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfi= x or some *real* MTA running, and now there's an extra step, to disable "dma". What's the point? Bill Dudley New Jersey, USA This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:32=E2=80=AFAM void wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following > >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can > >not get the following issues resolved: > > > >1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly) > >2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found > >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases > >being run > > Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see > https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/ > and grep for 'sendmail' > -- > > --0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this questi= on, but what is the
point of "replacing" sendmail with dma?

referenced from the release notes for 1= 4

"dma accepts mail = from a local Mail User Agent (MUA) and delivers it
locally or to a smarthost for delivery. dma does not accept = inbound
mail (i.e., it does not listen on port 25) and is not intended t= o
provide the same functionality as a full MTA like postfix or sendmail.= "

So, why?=C2=A0 It's not a replacement = for sendmail in any sense at
all, as it can't actually receiv= e mail from outside the machine.

If one runs a Fre= eBSD mail server, one still has to keep sendmail or postfix
or so= me real MTA running, and now there's an extra step, to disable
"dma".

What's the point?

Bill Dudley
New Jersey, USA

=


This email is free of malware= because I run Linux.


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 6:= 32=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> w= rote:
On Tue, De= c 12, 2023 at 01:03:44AM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>I have installed 14.0-RELEASE and for the life of me (even following >the hand book and examples from several 13.X machines around here) can<= br> >not get the following issues resolved:
>
>1. Sendmail does not start when enabled (it dies instantly)
>2. When running in interactive mode the following alias is not found >despite the path existing with mailnull/mail ownership and newaliases >being run

Sendmail is not the default mailer in 14.0-R, see ht= tps://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/relnotes/
and grep for 'sendmail'
--

--0000000000004ce246060c51e0c2-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 16:09:37 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqNq82yCDz547hN for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqNq75vjRz4b02 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 16:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 29932 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2023 16:09:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=74ea657885c2.k2312; bh=kZhZaCULV9P6eF4c1Dsez1lyFHE6FiOhp9McWXGG6n4=; b=orkWhtHU1bKpQWikHPLqnpOK5JQEGxFsZPZSt+uOEx4kcdfPUttJnSB5hApQHzdHwSsdgwJYGck0bb/fdtWdePegPmJrxo8fyP2Nmmv1EVVkCjE+ImtZ+/3NxQHm8Vba9vpFavPd2Ppax0JzbA58X+4/WQgq+/dCVqbMDQYOqHgC706JGerIqG16JZKkThDzxfhKDdUvPuM6nxy6Y2KwXIJp0JzbxElu7QAGUSEk1edxlKCNnN7fOuOnBDg5Vn0aFjI+m72bSddZAkmkgK2dpOfa8Qgf7soOT7AesFFor8eRckYtdYXKnuUlM2fCr14b+Bccm85F55wQGJZrv9d27w== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 12 Dec 2023 16:09:38 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 470C67E25858; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500 (EST) Date: 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500 Message-Id: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: wfdudley@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqNq75vjRz4b02 It appears that William Dudley said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I realize that I'm asking the wrong people this question, but what is the >point of "replacing" sendmail with dma? Most freebsd machines are not used as mail servers. DMA is small and fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the way. 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DMA is small and > fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a > local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. > > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. I fully second that. In my bubble of IT guys exactly zero persons use sendmail, and of the few FreeBSD users everyone is happy about change to dma. From nobody Tue Dec 12 18:54:44 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqSTy33gzz54JTY for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 18:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqSTx3Y1Gz3Vjb for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 18:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from terra.edvax.de ([178.5.229.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [213.165.67.97]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mtf7H-1rUN8a3Ntv-00vAa5; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:55 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (r56 [10.200.1.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by terra.edvax.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPA id 3BCIsoRI033322; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:54:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "John Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wfdudley@gmail.com Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:2xi6u/sHk7urbWoNKQKdwF0Klb59uG5TOK9eP99EFZd3wi/EYb9 DvDeGDLQnvnJG9qsbCCtEuRqZffhgF7ADTK4Ndp5CJWpujHtU61VrL8CMtYrcexhLyCeGtb kVjltFXmhJgw/9xnihZd1FnTmNF26TcINnCfXZhFJK7TCtl26MSCf2lQ3Nr9/vnz241IM1X Ki7JwwsI35hOc6VInsoXw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:vCzosQIijqM=;XP5Wo98zwEmLy2eTE3kUNKw1pcW cngE0Y95WkqjCDWIYif65nxWyKbU0gL41Kv8Fey+ats2VrNxxGn2Km2fPXNXqsD7uSYnxOWB3 Ux6VBu6VHzzuCmXH5flh6q7woIECgE4vzcvGhM+UWAuptpgw9BjW2AJGZAISpPO/pd83TMRjR JjEmPmT0D2UgiGbJcdpDV5tMwFw+FJi/CGsG7pWdkOKxDrLsQ4DLmW5fAQ0AuUDY91x82cmk2 Ooek+kSTpKMrjTEQdVuq9s7dp5bbMVy8akxLmOEtdmLLY85IxzxX+5fcxc0Y2F30wiNgvtIc9 WtBMELSq28IrLBvphqGaY5FrogPlWKQiBV9WW2vO/9+eY3nDD+rcCFa2ODlbKZQyhnv4Rb63t WyudP/F5iBfQdGHJYbS1afAQLsDrLKq6oEHinM5BCBuOcUvyKvTFn9EBARN53p8HGX/zJSdWg EReM+zcE77+BT86rKVZqBLpLK1mZ5QqhNU2H0toSDTodWhMX+czWgeEPf5aakpi8PYPLog1vu 5X+qls93q5/lwS0XSK7f3seDweChiUzCGhg/REkdR2hGPruh/x/jKMXIiC7X1lIe9Oh1GKfdj qndCUAsannZBFPv6qtQgG5vOxhqJgamI4ojKFFKLFvNxRLzvYIQmiIF1FCfdytlyM3tPRXMFr M4ZVUjaeNGd3dWRYnRxKWFcaNxoTpstlCsY3nxhgLGLvLgHmp5cGN89zp+o0NyEomjb3CLlFV d+VfSvTcbMjgDfjdQQzXcwwlhwzNP7rCUC6MseseqZzknxCIGFXcqoJetU5ClVlKl/r6SNbmx 1K4yLKN8pc1Rk6ApCBvxCaiT8HXbg2EG+rhQnq2Q40yci09b0zksszEkMs4LXlpF5AztR69Ez 48iqGXeIrE6PE6Q== X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqSTx3Y1Gz3Vjb On 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500, John Levine wrote: > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. On the other hand, if you just want to use the system's mailer to run a "TLS relay", it is not needed to install and configure a full 3rd party mail server - initially sendmail does serve here quite well. On the other hand, can dma do this? I'm not really asking, instead I would install sendmail from ports if I needed that kind of software. But replacing one thing with another thing that cannot fully do what its decades-old predecessor could do just feels... strange, like the transition from sc to vt for the "text mode" terminal system... Still it is good to see a complex software being replaced with something simpler, it's easier to maintain it and to address bugs and security holes. At least that's the idea behind it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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DMA is small and > fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a > local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. I would completely disagree that the machine I was asking about does not use email at all except during manual and automatic testing of a web app it is the main test/development machine it is for. Without something that can *SEND* mail it is impossible to test this functionality. Since this is a IoT medical app (remote cardiac monitoring) the email's are potentially life critical since they do stuff like tell the doctor when you have a "concerning arrhythmia" or informing the patient that their monitor is offline (or damaged in someway or another)... we use email also as txt gateway for the same purpose. So this is a case where having a fully working (but local only) MTA is critical and DMA does not cut it! > > If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > way. Not having it gets in the way took 6 hrs of fiddling to figure it out (did before I got any replies here). --=20 Aryeh M. 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Levine" To: "Aryeh Friedman" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wfdudley@gmail.com X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.local Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.89 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.40)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from,2001:470:1f07:1126:0:78:696d:6170:received]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=131ad6578b8c9.k2312]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqTfL6xC3z4GND X-Spamd-Bar: ------ >> Most freebsd machines are not used as mail servers. DMA is small and >> fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a >> local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. > > I would completely disagree that the machine I was asking about does > not use email at all except during manual and automatic testing of a > web app it is the main test/development machine it is for. Without > something that can *SEND* mail it is impossible to test this > functionality. ... As I said in the message you quoted, DMA sends mail anywhere you want by relaying it to a smarthost. I have virtual FreeBSD machines all over the place with DMA that mail me status reports. Perhaps this would be a good time to read the manual rather than guessing. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Tue Dec 12 19:47:43 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqTfv4DYhz537DZ for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqTft5K5qz4J1x for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b="tIn5/z1w"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1702410471; x=1705002471; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=tyyKJbqZ1mOipKtIohpFBRhriN17oTNx0RUcQQQNCic=; b=tIn5/z1wgoi+QS5jB07l8d/yyJ4PX814Gc1fOFq16XCvqAepw3qEG51R0WwVylFqVoa+HnfUphIQFQxhMbfRr3EU+tXpZRM8zrR06OKDkMTVVDZPtrABlBXIkJvRHWtuRBGD3lBjsClZd5qFJTV6FhIaC/2WfHNw07h0QFrehtg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUyNTAwMDI0NjcyMjIucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:47:47 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:47:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rD8jI-000ISM-0w for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:47:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:47:43 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231212194743.fa5320727a3f77b52978280d@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.68 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d5250002467222.35905660d41be8296ed433b80cf80818@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.190.1:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqTft5K5qz4J1x X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:18:36 -0500 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > So this is a case where having a fully working (but local only) MTA is > critical and DMA does not cut it! 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Levine" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wfdudley@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqTpF4BYBz4R2P On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:47=E2=80=AFPM John R. Levine wro= te: > > >> Most freebsd machines are not used as mail servers. DMA is small and > >> fast and adequate to handle mail from a stub system that might have a > >> local mailbox or two and relays the rest of the mail to a smarthost. > > > > I would completely disagree that the machine I was asking about does > > not use email at all except during manual and automatic testing of a > > web app it is the main test/development machine it is for. Without > > something that can *SEND* mail it is impossible to test this > > functionality. ... > > As I said in the message you quoted, DMA sends mail anywhere you want by > relaying it to a smarthost. I have virtual FreeBSD machines all over the > place with DMA that mail me status reports. Again *WRONG* it does not work with local aliases (I set up aliased a-z [see original post for example of the a alias]). Since all we are doing is testing if java/javamail works and it uses the *LOCAL* SMTP server to send all email even if local then having a non-SMTP server like DMA is a immediate no go. Note the app when under test *NEVER* sends anything but local mail (to the above aliases only). Also for HIPAA reasons we have made the development environment NAT gapped with the public Internet and thus it is not capable of receiving external mail anyways (nor sending it). It is purely for local testing and DMA is not a suitable replacement in this case. > > Perhaps this would be a good time to read the manual rather than guessing= . The handbook made no mention of sendmail not being installed by default and only mentioned DMA in passing without stating it was the default option. So in this case RTFM would have been no help at all. (Finally figured it out from reading the man page on mailler.conf which was not even pointed to by the man page on DMA). > > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Du= mmies", > Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly --=20 Aryeh M. 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See original question DMA does not offer SMTP which javamail requires nor does it correctly handle local aliases as proven in the original post. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Tue Dec 12 19:56:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqTs44g4Mz538HC for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqTs43lSZz4Sp6 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 80471 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2023 19:56:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=13a556578baf7.k2312; bh=eO7+3EKXY+f3tYOBWHum1WrUJPyL9lgOCHjVe4WV0QM=; b=U6cnEt9khHwXpjY1xEaGmkQbsIazufC5uik4l4fZwcUodoUOcpA3riU1FIDbsKlgoda32+iinl9KmVnolTOeLRzwTNXqN6HufwETVIrD2c4sncwDoMYJEqjPHzCnN7KEYnmeWirYrxoAIvtB+Mn+pTNDxMcnP2U3zXKGJzROSU4blb3h4wxoaq4KbfpvTBNnjv3OfnI0yNFSg+AOBlCh6219i+P9jM3I6duzY9kOQV04xZOd3e/QWmyX/Vfw9ioBQ8+weyf27CYjGknRlYWV8qA8Ck837Ob1RuaVi5D/zYSAKXi3Aot8CU/ITaGZE1mIoLCHpq2qdO+CMjbZjNIdKw== Received: from ary.local ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 12 Dec 2023 19:56:39 -0000 Received: by ary.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id AF1A17E28322; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:56:39 -0500 (EST) Date: 12 Dec 2023 14:56:39 -0500 Message-Id: <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd@edvax.de Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqTs43lSZz4Sp6 It appears that Polytropon said: >On 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500, John Levine wrote: >> If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix >> or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo >> configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the >> way. > >On the other hand, if you just want to use the system's >mailer to run a "TLS relay", it is not needed to install >and configure a full 3rd party mail server - initially >sendmail does serve here quite well. On the other hand, >can dma do this? Yes, of course. DMA relays to a smarthost and can use TLS to the smarthost's port 587, 465, or I suppose 25. I'm not really asking, instead I would >install sendmail from ports if I needed that kind of >software. But why? DMA Is already there and does what you want. R's, John From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:05:14 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqV3C1R6jz538MP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqV3B3bPMz4Vdr for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-54cb4fa667bso8671368a12.3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:05:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702411524; x=1703016324; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=lgqTATEWO6Ulu2nhp+90kDySE4XmcX5AJzeuso4x2XU=; b=b7SV9pqCkooN2rzzXZQD6D22oUlATERCxKQqBWsrkNAutTEhtvhRUyzKt7P/aMrmUD fX/Y2gnDhFPr6noyK4ZOLQn/Ogzo7mBZUgX6d0WLnwVK/QUtJJL1c39d8bc075/+R/kB U25AVBgmaL6A8NJXT3rwdIdRDHWUm/ypWBYduUvg5aOgMDtEPrZovTy5RvKjcdwr0fh2 rqxtKWIKfJlrceq37YxgMwvAvFDLK41j9aip6bHx4hJt8Ke1k44qU4T2EFMQnYpzO00Q plQYGpfmH4zW1K9zufXUBDfBhmOTurh4fmDZ9z89/8Gya1QlKPAaAWWRyRRkAOv28XB4 f/VQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702411524; x=1703016324; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=lgqTATEWO6Ulu2nhp+90kDySE4XmcX5AJzeuso4x2XU=; b=YY05iMjEg67bcOqvZceMoM+3ldT4NdqM9mol/nuzmo2qTJDIkBXpY5fwpFdAp/tQkP X6kj3iZ4idevXfwheweyA7/54ncvb8rkkA0s4Tq5VunIE/UtTWJctklhN+m9gp/tBsid dN/IWYrIg+fd5nFnJp+Z0FbAhiR/PcPzmnV80YMNSlHdEA0LowCucOnH3h+/LcLx1Q4D 0OWmFiZEyzRB407LMCuAHPb+CGHKdBlzjFaGWKwT7jwf49hgPTve88hpvuQDblBv5Oka rc1Ahby8DGPqMYHj4inRaJPWZsxZjNkQdOZyVmucg6ylRMej0ltpkeQ1sWZdSQI66P9o Ss3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxhgy9bdIv5Z6LNJAgsJCw2eEbJm7/ObfojP4ijjuOsZnStnHnm jAN6TDf6l/+XUcXmsVFrKyQMkNOLEC9yvSc/3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE5UzjjKmXvaabY4S+MQzYjvYkU6Tcpa1XTD5+XfuZmqIVDa0LNaaQU2fF9/FXIMKfvp1STKhfB78sminNEpkY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:c214:b0:a19:a19b:78bd with SMTP id d20-20020a170906c21400b00a19a19b78bdmr3583967ejz.128.1702411524096; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:05:24 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> In-Reply-To: <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> From: Paul Procacci Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd@edvax.de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000027c57b060c559295" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqV3B3bPMz4Vdr --00000000000027c57b060c559295 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:57=E2=80=AFPM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Polytropon said: > >On 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500, John Levine wrote: > >> If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use postfix > >> or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique and rococo > >> configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in the > >> way. > > > >On the other hand, if you just want to use the system's > >mailer to run a "TLS relay", it is not needed to install > >and configure a full 3rd party mail server - initially > >sendmail does serve here quite well. On the other hand, > >can dma do this? > > Yes, of course. DMA relays to a smarthost and can use TLS to the > smarthost's port 587, 465, or I suppose 25. > > I'm not really asking, instead I would > >install sendmail from ports if I needed that kind of > >software. > > But why? DMA Is already there and does what you want. > Maybe because he wants to? Just saying, choice in software is up to the user. @OP Go install sendmail from ports and be on your merry way. ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --00000000000027c57b060c559295 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:57=E2=80=AF= PM John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>= wrote:
It appea= rs that Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> said:
>On 12 Dec 2023 11:09:37 -0500, John Levine wrote:
>> If you do want to run a mail server, you probably want to use post= fix
>> or exim so you don't have to deal with sendmail's antique = and rococo
>> configuration system. Having sendmail preinstalled just gets in th= e
>> way.
>
>On the other hand, if you just want to use the system's
>mailer to run a "TLS relay", it is not needed to install
>and configure a full 3rd party mail server - initially
>sendmail does serve here quite well. On the other hand,
>can dma do this?

Yes, of course. DMA relays to a smarthost and can use TLS to the
smarthost's port 587, 465, or I suppose 25.

I'm not really asking, instead I would
>install sendmail from ports if I needed that kind of
>software.

But why?=C2=A0 DMA Is already there and does what you want.

Maybe because he wants to? =C2=A0
<= div>
Just saying, choice in software is up to the user.
=

@OP

Go install sendmail from ports and be on you= r merry way.

~Paul

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That's what I did but the point I was making DMA breaks the principle of least surprise because sendmail has been the default mailer for BSD since 42BSD (which when I started using BSD) > > ~Paul > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:25:12 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqVV65QjZz53BFf for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVV60q5Nz4ZZP for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=fs23cdm4; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVV36dcYzDqLB for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:25:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1702412716; bh=0LGItze6Zowd95XUjoYSSfe7iU0AhQEaRgx8JtSQsgI=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=fs23cdm4oAsP8nWYar/Fk3O5iPEZsJs1HM7QSfVTL8COUWPQ/Eju8GMMRh8YdPcrB pLiRtQxOtcFRFYvhM/5EMo5Hoz/jPu9mLPSxbiurqfeuGTps2rO/Nmn3IjhgBRrab5 6tKvRvdv33i/D6/YuIfcC/1K30gOzBXTv7RFypRU= X-Riseup-User-ID: 3E82EED4F43911439CB658CD016EB7AE94B56EDAF42B2A8E752F0E0917D86993 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqVV321tPzJmnf for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <2f24bf0744473fd17cff0cd987a3ac97339f2b35.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:25:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqVV60q5Nz4ZZP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- On Tue, 2023-12-12 at 15:05 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > Maybe because he wants to? =C2=A0 >=20 > Just saying, choice in software is up to the user. >=20 > @OP >=20 > Go install sendmail from ports and be on your merry way. Sorry, I can't hold back any longer. Last week I had to turn down a job offer because I'm not ready to get a smartphone yet - so much for whether I'm a dinosaur or not. Even for me, sendmail is a symbolic link. What is that growing bright light in the firmament? From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:31:46 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqVdv42wpz53Bwg for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVdt3dZQz4c1l for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de designates 212.227.126.135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de; 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Also the C shell has been the interactive shell for decades, now it is sh that has achieved a level of interactive-friendliness that matches bash's capabilities. But the csh binary is still available. For many years, CVS has been part of the system. It no longer is. As FreeBSD now uses git, this is the tool you're required to use. In the future, freebsd-update will probably be gone, as the intended goal is to manage the system with pkg, in the same way as 3rd party software is managed already. This is a thing to address when it becomes reality. As I mentioned, some things can be dealt with by installing additional software (like sendmail from the ports collection) and requires some fiddling with (changed) configuration files (maybe content, usually location). Some other things require you to jump through hoops and still get suboptimal results that can change into real problems with the next big system update... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:37:45 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqVmh36Dgz53CWy for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVmg21Bqz4d9Z for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Vj8KpzAd; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com; dmarc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1702413475; x=1705005475; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=wfjtDQ5W2+QhSR97l7BAMSLlR2U9e3D3So7zw7wGKho=; b=Vj8KpzAdF6P6cGABZ/mqJPGbTtchfg2WRKbP7fpnFz6WIxU2LkYKyRGSpEbbBNzxAr2uhJF9wYKn0tBfFcO0i30RZipiGQfiz48Bw9pvHxnim5wx9dSjYL3z1V+wHxaX4MSxVdmwURHabzrDSJQddqZ9NR3lmVYWkD3kt8/vLkA= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUyNTAwMDI0YzBiM2YucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:37:47 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:37:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rD9Vh-000IZs-KH for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:37:45 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231212203745.82ee5923ceb4111b219c3f10@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> <20231212194743.fa5320727a3f77b52978280d@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52500024c0b3f.e195f3fdeb8f5c636ecbc04d91a0fbf0@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.1:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqVmg21Bqz4d9Z X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:55:02 -0500 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:49 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:18:36 -0500 > > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > So this is a case where having a fully working (but local only) MTA is > > > critical and DMA does not cut it! > > > > Why not, all DMA needs to send mail is a relay to send it to. > > See original question DMA does not offer SMTP which javamail requires Quite true it does not offer SMTP - if you need SMTP then you need to install something that does now. I recall the original development of dma in the DragnflyBSD project, the aim was never to match sendmail functionality but rather to provide a default mailer that was extremely simple, reliable and sufficient for most basic needs. > nor does it correctly handle local aliases as proven in the original > post. 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On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 3:39=E2= =80=AFPM Steve O'Hara-Smith <ste= ve@sohara.org> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:31:46 +0100
Polytropon <freebs= d@edvax.de> wrote:

> Some other things require you
> to jump through hoops and still get suboptimal
> results that can change into real problems with
> the next big system update...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Be thankful we don't have systemd to conten= d with.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>

Maybe there is a God after = all!

~Paul
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--0000000000009a7ed7060c5619f8-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 20:46:28 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqVyq011tz53DSN for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from mail.vex.net (mail.vex.net [98.158.132.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqVyp1L4Vz3Dsg for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 20:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darcy@druid.net designates 98.158.132.68 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=darcy@druid.net; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=druid.net Received: from [192.168.215.109] (unknown [98.186.196.172]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darcy) by mail.vex.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 777A33F220 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:46:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:46:28 -0600 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <20231212160938.470C67E25858@ary.qy> From: D'Arcy Cain In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.54 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.984]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[druid.net,reject]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.35)[0.346]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19842, ipnet:98.158.132.0/24, country:CA]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqVyp1L4Vz3Dsg X-Spamd-Bar: + On 2023-12-12 13:18, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I would completely disagree that the machine I was asking about does > not use email at all except during manual and automatic testing of a > web app it is the main test/development machine it is for. Without > something that can *SEND* mail it is impossible to test this > functionality. Since this is a IoT medical app (remote cardiac > monitoring) the email's are potentially life critical since they do > stuff like tell the doctor when you have a "concerning arrhythmia" or > informing the patient that their monitor is offline (or damaged in > someway or another)... we use email also as txt gateway for the same > purpose. Whoa! If it is that critical don't use email to text. Set up direct texting. You don't want to add an extra point of failure. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain | Democracy is three wolves http://www.druid.net/darcy/ | and a sheep voting on +1 416 788 2246 (DoD#0082) (eNTP) | what's for dinner. IM: darcy@Vex.Net, VoIP: sip:darcy@druid.net From nobody Tue Dec 12 21:03:23 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqWL93X9kz53GQl for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:03:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqWL85lG0z3HLk for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=pKC018hF; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqWL64DSRz9sdQ for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:03:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1702415006; bh=jptOloKqmag0I8JwKiOrXmpO+MV7a2bwfARLRcV2yBo=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pKC018hFsgDGh2JihMyxjOq8JnqQIZ+JNAdEDlIohV1okERQgNziFyZXgqP9qAa6e +BhneGKLuiCDAnzo3Sfr7vDRp3771SfJux9gp7eeZkMFD0pOdJVwtu0/4JhYBqfVTv i8QU3tw2ZQ+7zyfGwEyyDUE0vmXhz7mSdvgXtHmI= X-Riseup-User-ID: 659548D00DBE93BBCCA8AF41210111D5DFADB187713A6E00A0D0FAE4C4579E8F Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqWL56Wf6zJnsk for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:03:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> <20231212213146.526bb306.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212203924.473e7ccbc24b7f4a096d9f5b@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.50 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[198.252.153.6:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqWL85lG0z3HLk X-Spamd-Bar: ----- On Tue, 2023-12-12 at 15:43 -0500, Paul Procacci wrote: > Maybe there is a God after all! She's such a bitch! From nobody Tue Dec 12 21:20:05 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqWjM4P5Lz53HkV for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqWjM1g86z3MHX for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 94847 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2023 21:20:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=1727d6578ce85.k2312; bh=VpVTqT823sGL6Fbs8yA7tnmv88kNi3soz/A2AQlZ4Pw=; b=rWtIqC4tqCij25XuGAc0DDDCFakIjbosZ6nT/v7IAs3+/NGDOiT0DB2GZ+TGuufpqUXreUfZ389TKuPm/H1+WsE2SDWJE8BGpvG1yfORfW/66KBszGnPWFjzBsWHV5GjsC3LAsc+5YCV1QH9AFBXaDLLZf+PzexUa4sjLWhpDoHPRvMzvAr5vkfd71B1RdHq0ApuYgbWNIM/K+79cktxOAff4r30rjGG6ydLcbh63Pv6tJAHKXJl1u/e0xqcjYhJTefid/1p5fYnoNN6UTQMYkj6HMbAjmwKzcfLlPEHj1LqwLP/spBVgO25ZaSR+LHq64h/DTldtVq/g965qxYDkA== Received: from ary.local ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 12 Dec 2023 21:20:05 -0000 Received: by ary.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id CC38E7E290F1; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) Date: 12 Dec 2023 16:20:05 -0500 Message-Id: <20231212212005.CC38E7E290F1@ary.local> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: steve@sohara.org Subject: Re: the wonders of DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20231212203745.82ee5923ceb4111b219c3f10@sohara.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqWjM1g86z3MHX It appears that Steve O'Hara-Smith said: > There's something odd about that dma is supposed to have support >for /etc/aliases (without running newaliases). It does but it only handles simple aliasing of one address to another: ALIASES (string, default=/etc/aliases) Path to the local aliases file. Just stick with the default. The aliases file is of the format nam: dest1 dest2 ... In this case, mails to nam will instead be delivered to dest1 and dest2, which in turn could be entries in /etc/aliases. The special name ‘*’ can be used to create a catch-all alias, which gets used if no other matching alias is found. Use the catch-all alias only if you do not want any local mail to be delivered. If you want fancier stuff like program deliveries, you need a larger MTA. From nobody Tue Dec 12 21:26:51 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqWsG5PbRz53JLl for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqWsD68tDz3NpS for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=sAfjZ+ma; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqWsC0H7wzDqBp for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:26:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1702416415; bh=zwmaPr6u7W3KEcE1r2e4wYRflHpcqe9sRbtlFImj/XA=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=sAfjZ+ma7GxExi5u6nkla0Vlf5tmtR5O1up7hHJxeqRX+FWMnL/SxZbkP8kAPkRN4 2GzlcTZoN1/fcUFtTtRTbhB9JdedXdGF2KcUrE/cJcK9eabKAbVRpWtiLyv/lRgzLs RaMouj9tQ00zSIaMVp2jLPS7oWBSACRWfOM02oak= X-Riseup-User-ID: 1A76301E95B43B7C72D8D3E79AB2FEB13E15A00BE4DDF2C918175790A5277D2A Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqWsB2QXyzJp0l for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <603e9a9d3bfaa6b03197a74c794441a2b7e27f53.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:26:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20231212203924.473e7ccbc24b7f4a096d9f5b@sohara.org> References: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> <20231212213146.526bb306.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212203924.473e7ccbc24b7f4a096d9f5b@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqWsD68tDz3NpS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Tue, 2023-12-12 at 20:39 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Be thankful we don't have systemd to contend with. I'm a Linux user and not a fan of systemd. However, actually the keyword is "udev". From nobody Wed Dec 13 01:52:18 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sqdlg4QXXz53f7P for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 01:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [45.76.218.69]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sqdld5ZG4z4X81 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=076.ne.jp header.s=dkim header.b="F Es+JLU"; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lain@fair.moe has no SPF policy when checking 45.76.218.69) smtp.mailfrom=lain@fair.moe; dmarc=none Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqdlS3rg7zW4nK for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:52:20 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=076.ne.jp; h= user-agent:content-disposition:content-type:mime-version :message-id:subject:to:from:date; s=dkim; t=1702432339; x= 1705024340; bh=387d3nr106wpqf/KLu5k6GKXNCfGjiDtg2cg9NOi660=; b=F Es+JLU0wDO2GkQ9LoWzmrCmfIQfJiuvdyZlk3FOGonR+JvhauSFRVZShaIdMt0d+ kyxQ+xiu+KHBKzl56xzISAbCId8e9cZju+MxlibLELhgMI8m1CZ1svCNg+PNGDyU XoTwTNXrem7KtpnFNEFwjhGrfqj+66QnamKu1Gq4Izvl0urPRKkt/1BSwhXZ+qzM tEgarIebVcIAbVX7wmMKxq3Uwiapd6mu58VsAQHp4is3A1e6drPtSdSS/CYjqpk9 tQuvCDv2rdvJzHwUe3LfmJXQ9Y4oLPzghWVLqabS7Q6x21cglfvxdLYxpnb1nMsi tA2va/uWi9Iavgy0Lv13w== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at guest.guest Received: from mail.076.ne.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id BskyPPlzx0F6 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.fair.moe (076.moe [219.117.254.193]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqdlR5HmdzW4GT for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:52:19 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:52:18 +0900 From: "lain." To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Blinking cursor after update Message-ID: X-Location: =?utf-8?B?IkVhcnRoL+WcsOeQgyI=?= X-Operating-System: "GNU/Linux" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="syyavpe2dupcpwxe" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231103 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.90 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[076.ne.jp:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[076.ne.jp:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fair.moe]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.192.0/19, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sqdld5ZG4z4X81 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --syyavpe2dupcpwxe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have done freebsd-update fetch and install to apply the security fix for nfsclient, only to see my NAS server being unable to boot. When booting, I get greeted by just a flashing cursor and nothing else. Checking my installation under a live USB, I can confirm my ZFS datasets are still there, so does the rest of the installation. So how can I get this thing to boot again? --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. 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The SIM provider (Cubacel) does not allow connection to outbound port 25, but to port 465. With the following parameters the MUA 'mutt' can send mails fine: set smtp_pass="xxxxxxxxx" set smtp_url="smtps://xxxxxxxxxxx@smtp.1blu.de:465" For sendmail I have the following configuration which works fine with smtp to port 25 to my ISP when I use Wifi or datamobile in Europe: # cat /etc/mail/auth/client-info AuthInfo:smtp.1blu.de "U:root" "I:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" "P:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" This is hashed into the DB file: # ls -l /etc/mail/auth total 100 -rw------- 1 root wheel 69 27 ago. 2015 client-info -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 131072 27 ago. 2015 client-info.db What would be the change in /etc/mail/auth/client-info for smtps, port 465? 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about the default user ec2-user. My question is, can I remove this user with out breaking anything? I've = created my own user account that conforms to my prejudices and am not usin= g this default user for anything. Thanks in advance! -=C2=A0Jonathan ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. After Turing, numbers began doing things" - George Dyson -----------------------19f436fc362ac67371f53abfc9a4e333-- --------e3aad2d567eaf41cc1795caad9c52cff1d4da2287a16258d1624f62f53cfd65b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmV5JqoJkI6O/sbt8r3IFiEEcBGzOO9wDbcpT/10jo7+xu3y vcgAAMvCAP47LUY2DXxnf5lKlM9026Kycc0eWqNElUoP+I9TeTtAngEAp8LU /ZPLW3U/vdK0GXvSh2HVYLocKnjMOiFOLYeiPQM= =U4NN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------e3aad2d567eaf41cc1795caad9c52cff1d4da2287a16258d1624f62f53cfd65b-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 04:00:09 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sqhb50Y9fz53pF5 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [45.76.218.69]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sqhb23sLfz4p5b for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=076.ne.jp header.s=dkim header.b="aFweCZ/x"; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lain@fair.moe has no SPF policy when checking 45.76.218.69) smtp.mailfrom=lain@fair.moe; dmarc=none Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sqhb01wc2zW0mG for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:00:12 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=076.ne.jp; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:to:from:date; s= dkim; t=1702440011; x=1705032012; bh=PdXUuevOBKeW32xfDA+UTWmxfhf QxGAbM3cTf1IRJGA=; b=aFweCZ/x0eVZmYm9/yIOGsSffI5WhbZo5IdM6knr0sT 7NpluY5TVb1/D14R7u5K3TS5tYIzG4m5NssjaOykEhl43z2VZTFCPJtFKNx/HKgf 3uV8f9d0Ka1tjuz5qjMkjMSpwrae+c8HWFHO1SRvkKVW6aotlOUUIkNTVLCMKwsL OT8ckcHOtteN0wP2s882aF8gX0dLvFVD1h3M0Sw522APp2nQL4pE8C1jEiWv870Q +iYcyakhTOKZbem8iCjiaPykw6BGXrvY7f0akeQNAmNY64mawSax/PZIXMKFfHEZ kZTZQx2mwcxJ8Xu34LsrreJjW5AuqL5tU56NWj0kfqg== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at guest.guest Received: from mail.076.ne.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id kMT6kujoJAGZ for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:00:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.fair.moe (076.moe [219.117.254.193]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqhZz26cjzW0mB for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:00:11 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:00:09 +0900 From: "lain." To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Blinking cursor after update Message-ID: X-Location: =?utf-8?B?IkVhcnRoL+WcsOeQgyI=?= X-Operating-System: "GNU/Linux" References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xp2y56kusq3jd5xo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231103 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.90 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[076.ne.jp:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[076.ne.jp:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fair.moe]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.192.0/19, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sqhb23sLfz4p5b X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --xp2y56kusq3jd5xo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2023=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 10:52, the silly lain. claimed to ha= ve said: > I have done freebsd-update fetch and install to apply the security fix > for nfsclient, only to see my NAS server being unable to boot. > When booting, I get greeted by just a flashing cursor and nothing else. > Checking my installation under a live USB, I can confirm my ZFS datasets > are still there, so does the rest of the installation. > So how can I get this thing to boot again? Hello me, That sounds terrible, so please follow the following instructions: 1. Boot into a Live USB. 2. On the bootloader, press 1, select "Live CD", username is root, no password. 3. Mount the filesystem: zpool import zroot zfs mount zroot/ROOT/default /mnt mount -t devfs devfs /mnt/dev mount -t procfs proc /mnt/proc chroot /mnt 4. Repair the bootloader which freebsd-update just fucked up: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 5. Exit and reboot, don't forget to remove the USB drive before your NAS boots up. 6. ?????? 7. PROFIT! --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. For instructions on how to encrypt your emails: https://unixsheikh.com/tutorials/gnupg-tutorial.html --xp2y56kusq3jd5xo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEozVhUpXECiNYIKIXtWNzC1Y29b0FAmV5LEUACgkQtWNzC1Y2 9b2mfgwAvoi7LbycSn9R7Rhaq+f+t4cpX2rBZjkIFu9fhdeN8Gg/qRoK/taF9HeJ rLZZjRCfy8NuyCt6Z5CbBdU5RxOAcAJVkZRwD46sm8n47sA04z5h/Md89xSCePEp jBJ8fLpo/fbnohn2K1Wv+/RmhWKUY30vqODGcqowYhr0Ff7E+20ipCayXSwc+kE0 Ns51pYzRcQ4RqHHE/zc1RA+9mmrH8z45/9Opc5rPR3k3rR91+ZoT9qURRjXrlcVX S/tSPrYfZE4jQCjlRDE3STtNFKC2I5w5lcM6KkylJbRM/E8W25UH99diqcYd/9ow E/2/LTi3ShjvzZZkUyq82aNbzU1hSYs0G/pXCxD0WZpqoHSlL6z8anqFwYTh4emf sOzY3bgj1WmHk240y3LkOHHR+e5CEo1asDG1SG+UamaCHzTe9Ca5bMu9t2SSEnmB bjsgdxxvGnySBBW7nS4DTlf6+J+9M7td9mFi40s3l44eRq8M65NPb96bOC9tLfZm npp9tTG4 =EAVc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xp2y56kusq3jd5xo-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 04:01:28 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqhcY0vzYz53p98 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [45.76.218.69]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqhcX2rB6z4qcx for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lain@fair.moe) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=076.ne.jp header.s=dkim header.b=l89kEyq2; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lain@fair.moe has no SPF policy when checking 45.76.218.69) smtp.mailfrom=lain@fair.moe; dmarc=none Received: from mail.076.ne.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqhcV2r3yzW0mG for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:01:30 +0900 (JST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=076.ne.jp; h= user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:content-type :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:to:from:date; s= dkim; t=1702440089; x=1705032090; bh=gXxsNSkULc3KwSigdHwJK2/fIrd pPMkGz7x/MFon+NA=; b=l89kEyq2A9JKjXXoEEsCgVMyaHdOiVZduVEPVAqH4Ur kVUXg9/WwnCSlaxIgA0tuwun8og4sV20Z5DOlf/wFOl9dT8/Bjz7aNeeeQCMKqZj +UlecOLvkrIPUnhLlYIrUnEdv1CW5MWsCI/7SEgvjnl/Wx98x15veh/NSC3KSW/U /ufvPeBBAyFI6bmkQLSXm9XHph1MNhB/ESMUQvGN5mvjOtCYmLfJneTQttQAaL8H 5KZuGUPqiPShLIdYNsmeJiKXjL+EqMBgny1mqN7EZGrgMKpg/hEEA+rZfRWxNrfe vRwOwo8wtB2hr8lBIuOa+bgf1UMnRGu3bNhN3R7YkvQ== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at guest.guest Received: from mail.076.ne.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.076.ne.jp (mail.076.ne.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9dPXolhczqJV for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:01:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.fair.moe (076.moe [219.117.254.193]) by mail.076.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SqhcT4mJxzW0mB for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:01:29 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:01:28 +0900 From: "lain." To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Blinking cursor after update Message-ID: <4nf3x5vmh6ooysil7u7j5eqaj2pyej3zjcgvnrqh2zpzkbd4gx@qgwmr3cl6kzb> X-Location: =?utf-8?B?IkVhcnRoL+WcsOeQgyI=?= X-Operating-System: "GNU/Linux" References: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pfudpfneyo6d2ewe" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231103 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.90 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[076.ne.jp:s=dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[076.ne.jp:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fair.moe]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.76.192.0/19, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqhcX2rB6z4qcx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --pfudpfneyo6d2ewe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2023=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 13:00, the silly lain. claimed to ha= ve said: > 1. Boot into a Live USB. > 2. On the bootloader, press 1, select "Live CD", username is root, no > password. > 3. Mount the filesystem: >=20 > zpool import zroot > zfs mount zroot/ROOT/default /mnt > mount -t devfs devfs /mnt/dev > mount -t procfs proc /mnt/proc > chroot /mnt >=20 > 4. Repair the bootloader which freebsd-update just fucked up: >=20 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ada0 >=20 > 5. Exit and reboot, don't forget to remove the USB drive before your NAS > boots up. > 6. ?????? > 7. PROFIT! Thank you mini-me, this solved my problem! I have a working NAS again! --=20 lain. Did you know that? 90% of all emails sent on a daily basis are being sent in plain text, and i= t's super easy to intercept emails as they flow over the internet? Never send passwords, tokens, personal information, or other volunerable in= formation without proper PGP encryption! If you're writing your emails unencrypted, please consider sending PGP encr= ypted emails for security reasons. You can find my PGP public key at: https://fair.moe/lain.asc Every good email client is able to send encrypted emails. If yours can't, then you should consider switching to a secure email client= , because yours just sucks. My recommendations are Claws Mail or NeoMutt. 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I've > created my own user account that conforms to my prejudices and am not usi= ng > this default user for anything. > > Thanks in advance! > > - Jonathan > ____________________________________________ > "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. > After Turing, numbers began doing things" > - George Dyson Yes. ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --000000000000b04b86060c5cb74f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:37=E2= =80=AFPM Jonathan Adams <jfadam= s1963@proton.me> wrote:
Hey folks,
=C2=A0 I've just set up a FBSD system on AWS (14.0-RELEASE with ZFS) an= d I'm wondering about the default user ec2-user.
=C2=A0 My question is, can I remove this user with out breaking anything? I= 've created my own user account that conforms to my prejudices and am n= ot using this default user for anything.

Thanks in advance!

-=C2=A0Jonathan
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"Before Turing, things were done to numbers.
After Turing, numbers began doing things"
- George Dyson

Yes.

~Paul
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--000000000000b04b86060c5cb74f-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 05:31:12 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqkcB6CDgz53vZk for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqkcB2nh5z3L1D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1702445474; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=wIpnvlCL80BOgl03XTdOm2tcAvC1SX744ofmHS0hOrc=; b=k1USbP5nJmPfwunVyihfhBHnkJFUVOS2fDsu8G7nOicUh6kLBczV1V+xW0wLJ6tY+PlPTz ImkVpeoK8sQ8WjAt96JKUhy79zDiN5FnfXBLgbiGBMxofN9r6RSDeaIQCjzjmCv+f3T08N Dh9+FUm8ceyp3RelJfiB+Zj86MbRLig= Received: from [192.168.1.160] (024-024-168-214.inf.spectrum.com [24.24.168.214]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id fbe51a39 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <434e0413-1ea1-452d-9deb-a7c3c3d73c64@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:31:12 -0800 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD on AWS To: Jonathan Adams , questions@freebsd.org References: <9_4Y-B4_f4b46ZQOuGlmKq4RC68VV9p-ejyHPLJYej52dnJn0RnLeC-8Qvw4J9CNg5naH4L7TIGL90RSmTHQ40idG6eRoNhIg1lNUakTm4g=@proton.me> Content-Language: en-US From: Pete Wright In-Reply-To: <9_4Y-B4_f4b46ZQOuGlmKq4RC68VV9p-ejyHPLJYej52dnJn0RnLeC-8Qvw4J9CNg5naH4L7TIGL90RSmTHQ40idG6eRoNhIg1lNUakTm4g=@proton.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqkcB2nh5z3L1D On 12/12/23 19:36, Jonathan Adams wrote: > Hey folks, > I've just set up a FBSD system on AWS (14.0-RELEASE with ZFS) and I'm wondering about the default user ec2-user. > My question is, can I remove this user with out breaking anything? I've created my own user account that conforms to my prejudices and am not using this default user for anything. > > Thanks in advance! should be fine, this account is tied to the key you instantiated your ec2 instance with. so if you no longer need to use that key and can login with say your own ssh key and have administrative control you should be fine. it may be helpful to keep the account around though, so maybe neuter it by setting the login shell to /usr/sbin/nologin. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From nobody Wed Dec 13 08:57:33 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SqqBd69zqz53RhN for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 08:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SqqBd1w4sz4FcT for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 08:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from terra.edvax.de ([178.5.232.36]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [213.165.67.113]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mt7st-1rSXez47S5-00tW8J; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 09:57:45 +0100 Received: from r56.edvax.de (r56 [10.200.1.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by terra.edvax.de (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPA id 3BD8vcRx035152; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 09:57:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 09:57:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DMA, not Sendmail on 14-RELEASE Message-Id: <20231213095733.93c8a3bd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <603e9a9d3bfaa6b03197a74c794441a2b7e27f53.camel@riseup.net> References: <20231212195444.5b2f1b61.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212195639.AF1A17E28322@ary.local> <20231212213146.526bb306.freebsd@edvax.de> <20231212203924.473e7ccbc24b7f4a096d9f5b@sohara.org> <603e9a9d3bfaa6b03197a74c794441a2b7e27f53.camel@riseup.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:zQdxZLLpOkfkBewhHsQH1DHaw7IiIEelWItv2IIjSJISFImHGQC ex+KyR7C6cF7sDYb55vXoDCyVHHDUF1VGK/QdtAP1JpkNsVl6NsoB1VHu7Yxji49/7kX32F sIaZ6RM0EWAudSI1py2ExTeS/bq6c50993A0Mvh8XgyJ9GWUe1quiEQSQ3LcWsbv7t7pZEA uNwGCKEMU5afhXiGYameA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:/8gBu2PKDtY=;atWsU80vS0utfL/ThdwkhDeaxNL PoW1ZZtWJ/FpO6mLB7IOr/dGjnHo/M1BBLO8xXAFpW3s2iN/zG8Qa3RuQQhULihJEoTzT+f5w VdocRNB/HV3RStEcxJqZBCaqC3W/8e87gbg1cTGHYXKPLCNCnayYjNtvpOA4hdyLlfz9zuB/R CiUiSwHO1ScAjQXA/OVXy5j8n/nM2/RNpKgXr6101bf+CdXtApVxn8HV2RZRuxPJb5OYoSsWe 4vB6VxHNRFmXgJlr63qE7lK4AKd0HkhF9u9XtpW5YOYqKzeLI3l+vBQE7/A31bRfTmopHVJuz EcITB9w9bsN8qoOEehOPkD89PRIZ4ndPByFs3bCVHImerZ8YJtrai25OsOA1tBQ2hzyjjln8W pRWPbSFjvBtMG0JvDarg0zvtKQ6TmAcJXSE1teN0nTPPIFi4+wMKCA7k131L3Kp5RnigjcvaY GeXojDYdXDREueMmA6aChq+nPf6ge3aSZS4+9gvI9YAqoooGfv7oMIthFtecNplDi17Xb/hKs QZKQL6+u32eBFne6cl0DMk14wgrNSls7/IvqOpL3+opHiDZFxiRtQb3cSNAkwegUp9uairO3U deBMUl0dltPYi07/zqNqmCaP1MOLHnY4eTKiY0BidNFGN89QiBDvzgJq95ScCjbiwNronVn1d aaRSxvwpApKu5wCH4BMgv1VtbMDXP7b1BgHA1NRM8gxha0/95+l0pulxc+NxIFNfU0W9znNFF eABlWMcOnkRRRxETA4LLiEP+c/qgx1QE6SuSLLETgDx7TLOC6unXBdaNmDGSPp8d2TMBIpbEt qP1XO5Js7uaDx100zFvFvkRSo09dXgESRuPOzfy1+6mWmFEKKXbOUUPGav9OdlLI+Em70hHvd rRziDmNNJ8W5ceA== X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SqqBd1w4sz4FcT On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:26:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2023-12-12 at 20:39 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > Be thankful we don't have systemd to contend with. > > I'm a Linux user and not a fan of systemd. However, actually the keyword > is "udev". And there was and somewhere still is HAL, PolicyKit, evdev... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From nobody Wed Dec 13 10:22:04 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sqs3l10SBz53Y6s for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sqs3k5w2nz4QHc for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=ghjggb5x5zdwhlxvyyjaxi3gzu.protonmail; t=1702462928; x=1702722128; bh=9d7uLDHrlQwxhahI5MxNb1ieWw9yF319oYQLFDJTs84=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=JkndBY4Idv/M3d6P7oFeYKnSx6YdKs/OHXFYuMzZUwxDSdBSxEc9KeJf4qCDs1kFd Mb4NdQUaoFAz9KuhRPXef0eRP64Sus+QmCbO1f2gA8aw7tmq30zHlNLLRZuh7o2b+P BUVuCVkzTs5d4uwpqeB8Ie79E6HWH0sZxua5GCkQLpxhgpg4pl+7xZy8Fu0eUBLXDw VNG9S1z+/TXNQKFBr12/HDbjKoAIH2ZvTAnnX6OmTCHzry5aap3jHdONb/JXdiQ8CQ qYsVCqo2kPJ3AwitJgNIgyuBaR6Tfzhy3Gl/jG9bU5B1dE/DSFsuCf7Rd1ZD2gVEN1 nxLParmsjs/qQ== Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:22:04 +0000 To: Pete Wright From: Jonathan Adams Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on AWS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <434e0413-1ea1-452d-9deb-a7c3c3d73c64@nomadlogic.org> References: <9_4Y-B4_f4b46ZQOuGlmKq4RC68VV9p-ejyHPLJYej52dnJn0RnLeC-8Qvw4J9CNg5naH4L7TIGL90RSmTHQ40idG6eRoNhIg1lNUakTm4g=@proton.me> <434e0413-1ea1-452d-9deb-a7c3c3d73c64@nomadlogic.org> Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------fa2f564a148740fd86c6d5163bc49afa98296165de796c6f0bba9ca4164314bd"; charset=utf-8 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sqs3k5w2nz4QHc This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------fa2f564a148740fd86c6d5163bc49afa98296165de796c6f0bba9ca4164314bd Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------2b25b076bf864360e9c7db70d5ab30e5 -----------------------2b25b076bf864360e9c7db70d5ab30e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 at 12:31 AM, Pete Wright wrote: > = > On 12/12/23 19:36, Jonathan Adams wrote: > = > > Hey folks, > > I've just set up a FBSD system on AWS (14.0-RELEASE with ZFS) and I'm = wondering about the default user ec2-user. > > My question is, can I remove this user with out breaking anything? I'v= e created my own user account that conforms to my prejudices and am not us= ing this default user for anything. > > = > > Thanks in advance! > = > = > should be fine, this account is tied to the key you instantiated your > ec2 instance with. so if you no longer need to use that key and can > login with say your own ssh key and have administrative control you > should be fine. > = > it may be helpful to keep the account around though, so maybe neuter it > by setting the login shell to /usr/sbin/nologin. > = > -pete Thanks to everyone who replied, on and off list. Pete's suggestion is not = a bad idea. -=C2=A0Jonathan Adams ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. 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Can't say what's the current state of thi= ngs, luckly I don't need smtps today.=0A=0A Bye,=0A=0A f=0A=0A Matt= hias Apitz wrote:=0A=0A [...]=0A using it as AP to Internet. The SIM = provider (Cubacel) does not allow=0A connection to outbound port 25, bu= t to port 465. With the following parameters=0A the MUA 'mutt' can send= mails fine:=0A [...]=0A For sendmail I have the following configurat= ion which works fine with=0A smtp to port 25 to my ISP when I use Wifi = or datamobile in Europe:=0A [...]=0A What would be the change in /etc= /mail/auth/client-info for smtps, port=0A 465?=0A --_=__=_XaM3_.1702636798.2A.265885.42.46787.52.42.007.1014008940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for top-posting and HTML email (just painful webma= il now).

To force sendmail relay mailer to con= nect to your smart host on port 465, add:

define(`RELAY_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 465')dnl

after define(`SMART_HOST', .....)

in you= r .mc file.

But, as far as I can remember, sen= dmail doesn't support smtps, just STARTTLS. Years ago, I used to setup st= unnel to do smtps instead, and left sendmail connection settings untouche= d. Can't say what's the current state of things, luckly I don't need smtp= s today.

Bye,
f

Matthias Apitz wrote:
[...]
using it as AP to Internet. The SIM provider (Cubacel) d= oes not allow
connection to outbound port 25, but to port 465. = With the following parameters
the MUA 'mutt' can send mails fin= e:
[...]
For sendmail I have the following configurat= ion which works fine with
smtp to port 25 to my ISP when I use = Wifi or datamobile in Europe:

[...]
= What would be the change in /etc/mail/auth/client-info for smtps, port
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Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:20:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:20:53 +0000 From: Roger Marsh To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem using vi in freebsd-update from 13.2 to 14.0 Message-ID: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-unknown-openbsd7.4) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.37 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[btinternet.com,reject]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[213.120.69.19:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[btinternet.com:s=btmx201904]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.120.69.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; 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I had already done a couple of merges apparently successfully (including the <:a> command and ), /etc/group and /etc/master.passwd, and am merging /etc/ntpd.conf. I do not use the vi editor often, and have a session showing 'man vi' which I look at before doing every command. My route to where I am is: ssh # from an OpenBSD box if that matters. su freebsd-update -r 14.0-RELEASE upgrade # watch things happen till prompted to do manual merges. Then in the vi (?) session type :a to which the response is: Entering ex input mode I found the page 'jakeworth.com/exit-vim-ex-mode/' which does not give me a get-out but does suggest entering 'ex input mode' by accident is possible. So, how do I get out of 'ex input mode' in my case? Or can I just kill the session running freebsd-update and restart freebsd-update assuming it will pick from where it had got to? Roger From nobody Sat Dec 16 01:53:58 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SsTf159Gbz54Ndk for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 01:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@pobox.com) Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SsTf10PQxz4TVs for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 01:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@pobox.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=EpZGW4WU; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vogelke@pobox.com designates 64.147.108.71 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vogelke@pobox.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=pobox.com Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240431C0C06; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:54:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vogelke@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:in-reply-to; s=sasl; bh=lhLIlAGVHpC+gTAmLZydXxrV7R sB2DE6qsP6XHxYy6Q=; b=EpZGW4WUvc+AzaF4rL6+yFSgZb5HYc2ZIwVVFqTA3S BTPcVudoST0ohYLJ1Uj6LX/AaGIOFeINDmxrIkUWwK60xoh+tXPTxi5+o1PoXj7r S8OoI6blIyaZzcgNumjTDOBrJVQ/Iva+3PM+irFamenYN8AbhbhmrPlwgNbVTKxc A= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EA61C0C05; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:54:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vogelke@pobox.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [98.29.137.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83E871C0C04; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:53:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from vogelke@pobox.com) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:53:58 -0500 From: Karl Vogel To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem using vi in freebsd-update from 13.2 to 14.0 Message-ID: Reply-To: vogelke@pobox.com References: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> X-PGP-Fingerprint: B9B0 D8CF 0413 515D BED4 B507 C123 B01E C8AE 08E9 X-PGP-URL: X-Pobox-Relay-ID: FAE2839E-9BB5-11EE-9CCF-25B3960A682E-01134313!pb-smtp2.pobox.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[pobox.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[pobox.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.108.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pobox.com:s=sasl]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.108.71:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pobox.com:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:64.147.108.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[vogelke@pobox.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SsTf10PQxz4TVs X-Spamd-Bar: ----- On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:21:11AM -0500, Roger Marsh wrote: > When doing the merges presented by freebsd-update I have somehow got into > 'ex input mode' and hitting repeatedly does not get me back to > command mode. That drives me nuts. > So, how do I get out of 'ex input mode' in my case? Or can I just kill > the session running freebsd-update and restart freebsd-update assuming > it will pick from where it had got to? Something's hosed your terminal so that pressing escape doesn't send the actual escape character (octal 33). Two things I'd try: 1. Press Control-V Control-Left-Bracket ([) which should send the correct character and let you escape. 2. If that doesn't work, can you fire up a separate ssh session and kill just the running VI? Your terminal will really be hosed now, so when you get back to your prompt, type "stty sane". 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Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:58:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:58:30 +0000 From: Roger Marsh To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem using vi in freebsd-update from 13.2 to 14.0 Message-ID: <20231216125830.4f91c9f9@opendev.home> In-Reply-To: References: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-unknown-openbsd7.4) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.62 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.783]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[btinternet.com,reject]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[213.120.69.27:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:213.120.69.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[btinternet.com:s=btmx201904]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[213.120.69.27:from]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[btinternet.com:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[btinternet.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[btinternet.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2856, ipnet:213.120.0.0/14, country:GB]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[btinternet.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SsmNp1rS7z4Vvl X-Spamd-Bar: -- On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:53:58 -0500 Karl Vogel wrote: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 10:21:11AM -0500, Roger Marsh wrote: > > > When doing the merges presented by freebsd-update I have somehow got into > > 'ex input mode' and hitting repeatedly does not get me back to > > command mode. > > That drives me nuts. > > > So, how do I get out of 'ex input mode' in my case? Or can I just kill > > the session running freebsd-update and restart freebsd-update assuming > > it will pick from where it had got to? > > Something's hosed your terminal so that pressing escape doesn't send > the actual escape character (octal 33). Two things I'd try: > > 1. Press Control-V Control-Left-Bracket ([) which should send the > correct character and let you escape. This did not work for me. > > 2. If that doesn't work, can you fire up a separate ssh session and > kill just the running VI? Your terminal will really be hosed now, > so when you get back to your prompt, type "stty sane". Killing vi caused the freebsd-update session to start another vi on the file being edited. Typing "stty sane" in the separate ssh session was not necessary for me and I did not do it: anyway I got all the edits done and got started on the "Does this look reasonable" prompts for the merges. > > I'm not sure what interrupting or restarting freebsd-update will do. > I thought I had made a mistake on one of the edits and answered 'n' to the prompt, expecting to be given a vi session to do the edit again. Instead the freebsd-update job was terminated and I had to restart it anyway. All went well: just about to install the downloaded upgrades by running "/usr/sbin/freebsd-update install". I will probably post another question about what happened after answering 'n' to the "Does this look reasonable" prompt. > -- > Karl Vogel I don't speak for anyone but myself > > Keep your booger hook off the bang button. > --Firearms safety instructor on Reddit, 30 Nov 2023 > Thanks, Roger From nobody Sat Dec 16 17:49:32 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sstrf55xfz54DFK for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikzyth@icloud.com) Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com (qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com [17.57.155.8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sstrf0T23z3Rht for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikzyth@icloud.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=icloud.com header.s=1a1hai header.b=C+Cjtz5X; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mikzyth@icloud.com designates 17.57.155.8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mikzyth@icloud.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=icloud.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1702748976; bh=+UJ9CRd5ZPfIH+sDQSvreE7FkNtOCSU3GYG/H+j+N6I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C+Cjtz5XYBqbd10GQiU8FlW39Rrq7FsbJQ5gCQVOEiGSS0PoXwoBoauyWM+lpgNVI jyca9EjVECv5He1pT+lSXRzlfkgI5GfuLEDSGLfSuyojir4KPp5Id8HfhyfMub1fir JJ0YajAe+hGd6A0k8WhgxRgj3WtBAm9a4d2+FgFXL8M5XuKwNJRltlo2kGqeduZDNB LYh/1jzC0j4u3m04NbYi3JAvYGhjsljcomPxsP0DnxzxcRA1D/zUE1q61WAAPFstVB ULBsUEoUUl4Qhh3643qtoiXQO13YTeS8gOxoHIZtSQCeYgWKfcYGgxgz2ysMoQs4Q7 Vi/GARt8/j85w== Received: from mzlt.local (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A619862803FF; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 19:49:32 +0200 From: Mikhail Nidze To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem using vi in freebsd-update from 13.2 to 14.0 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> X-Proofpoint-GUID: yTxYsYrHX_kq5eFjuUf_gF9FaX7XzThO X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: yTxYsYrHX_kq5eFjuUf_gF9FaX7XzThO X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.790,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-12=5F03:2022-01-11=5F01,2022-01-12=5F03,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=626 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2312160137 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.10 / 15.00]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[icloud.com:d:+,icloud.com:s:+]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[icloud.com,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:17.57.155.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[icloud.com:s=1a1hai]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[17.57.155.8:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[17.57.155.8:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.57.155.0/24, country:US]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[icloud.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[icloud.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sstrf0T23z3Rht X-Spamd-Bar: ------- On 15-12-2023 15:20, Roger Marsh wrote: > So, how do I get out of 'ex input mode' in my case? I don't know whether you have solved your problem (and if I understand the problem in question correctly), but in case you need this in future, you can enter visual mode in vi as simple as just: :vi -- Best regards, Mikhail. From nobody Sat Dec 16 17:49:32 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sstrf58sSz54DFL for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikzyth@icloud.com) Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com (qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com [17.57.155.8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sstrf0KLXz3RX6 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikzyth@icloud.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=icloud.com header.s=1a1hai header.b=C+Cjtz5X; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mikzyth@icloud.com designates 17.57.155.8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mikzyth@icloud.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=icloud.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=1a1hai; t=1702748976; bh=+UJ9CRd5ZPfIH+sDQSvreE7FkNtOCSU3GYG/H+j+N6I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C+Cjtz5XYBqbd10GQiU8FlW39Rrq7FsbJQ5gCQVOEiGSS0PoXwoBoauyWM+lpgNVI jyca9EjVECv5He1pT+lSXRzlfkgI5GfuLEDSGLfSuyojir4KPp5Id8HfhyfMub1fir JJ0YajAe+hGd6A0k8WhgxRgj3WtBAm9a4d2+FgFXL8M5XuKwNJRltlo2kGqeduZDNB LYh/1jzC0j4u3m04NbYi3JAvYGhjsljcomPxsP0DnxzxcRA1D/zUE1q61WAAPFstVB ULBsUEoUUl4Qhh3643qtoiXQO13YTeS8gOxoHIZtSQCeYgWKfcYGgxgz2ysMoQs4Q7 Vi/GARt8/j85w== Received: from mzlt.local (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01071901.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A619862803FF; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 17:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 19:49:32 +0200 From: Mikhail Nidze To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem using vi in freebsd-update from 13.2 to 14.0 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231215152053.74cf9bf1@opendev.home> X-Proofpoint-GUID: yTxYsYrHX_kq5eFjuUf_gF9FaX7XzThO X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: yTxYsYrHX_kq5eFjuUf_gF9FaX7XzThO X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: =?UTF-8?Q?vendor=3Dfsecure_engine=3D1.1.170-22c6f66c430a71ce266a39bfe25bc?= =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.790,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-12=5F03:2022-01-11=5F01,2022-01-12=5F03,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=626 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2312160137 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.10 / 15.00]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[icloud.com:d:+,icloud.com:s:+]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[icloud.com,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:17.57.155.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[icloud.com:s=1a1hai]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[17.57.155.8:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[17.57.155.8:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.57.155.0/24, country:US]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[icloud.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[icloud.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sstrf0KLXz3RX6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- On 15-12-2023 15:20, Roger Marsh wrote: > So, how do I get out of 'ex input mode' in my case? I don't know whether you have solved your problem (and if I understand the problem in question correctly), but in case you need this in future, you can enter visual mode in vi as simple as just: :vi -- Best regards, Mikhail.