From nobody Sun Dec 17 05:48:48 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StBpp6jJwz546nX for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 05:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StBpp07hMz4FKJ for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 05:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4StBpf5KkVz2fjVg for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2023 21:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5596B919-8FAC-4DAE-AF9F-2DC03E09B3E6" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Client Certificate Verification Message-Id: <174A9481-186F-44EC-A129-96ACD985DD76@sermon-archive.info> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 21:48:48 -0800 To: FreeBSD Questions List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StBpp07hMz4FKJ X-Spamd-Bar: -- --Apple-Mail=_5596B919-8FAC-4DAE-AF9F-2DC03E09B3E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have an application to which clients connect using a browser over SSL. = I have a LetsEncrypt certificate for the app that lets the client = authenticate the app. However, I need to have a multitude of client = certificates (one per client machine). I am generating these = certificates from a self-signed root certificate. I can get the client = to verify the app and provide the client certificate to it. The app is = unable to verify the client certificate. I have not been able to figure = out how to have openssl distribute one certificate (from LetsEncrytp), = but verify the received client certificate using different certificate = chain. Openssl will pass me some of the received certificate fields. = However, without certificate verification I cannot be sure that those = values came from a certificate I generated. Is there a way to do this = either with openssl or libtls? -- Doug --Apple-Mail=_5596B919-8FAC-4DAE-AF9F-2DC03E09B3E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I have an = application to which clients connect using a browser over SSL.  I = have a LetsEncrypt certificate for the app that lets the client = authenticate the app.  However, I need to have a multitude of = client certificates (one per client machine).  I am generating = these certificates from a self-signed root certificate.  I can get = the client to verify the app and provide the client certificate to it. =  The app is unable to verify the client certificate.  I have = not been able to figure out how to have openssl distribute one = certificate (from LetsEncrytp), but verify the received client = certificate using different certificate chain.  Openssl will pass = me some of the received certificate fields.  However, without = certificate verification I cannot be sure that those values came from a = certificate I generated.  Is there a way to do this either with = openssl or libtls?

-- Doug

= --Apple-Mail=_5596B919-8FAC-4DAE-AF9F-2DC03E09B3E6-- From nobody Sun Dec 17 13:46:40 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StPPt2yc4z53f0m for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de) Received: from gaoxing.magnetkern.de (gaoxing.magnetkern.de [167.235.225.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StPPs4xfHz3S9G for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 13:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de designates 167.235.225.147 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de; dmarc=none Received: from titanium.fritz.box (p200300c26f3d5c00264bfefffe54b09c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:c2:6f3d:5c00:264b:feff:fe54:b09c]) by gaoxing.magnetkern.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DDF03AC20 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:46:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:46:40 +0100 From: Jan Behrens To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Tried to reach out to the FreeBSD security team Message-Id: <20231217144640.9e5881decba4008d88971e85@magnetkern.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:167.235.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[magnetkern.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StPPs4xfHz3S9G X-Spamd-Bar: -- Hi all, I tried to contact the FreeBSD security team and/or officer to bring their attention to issue #265625, which I believe is security relevant and which doesn't get fixed. None of my e-mails to secteam@FreeBSD.org or security-officer@FreeBSD.org were answered. After some time, I tried to write an e-mail to freebsd-security@freebsg.org. While that e-mail was accepted by mx1.freebsd.org, I never got any response and my e-mail didn't show up on the list. What is going on? My e-mails were sent on 2023-11-24 to secteam@FreeBSD.org, on 2023-12-04 to security-officer@FreeBSD.org, and on 2023-12-11 to freebsd-security@freebsd.org. 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From: Alexander Burke To: Jan Behrens Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20231217144640.9e5881decba4008d88971e85@magnetkern.de> References: <20231217144640.9e5881decba4008d88971e85@magnetkern.de> Subject: Re: Tried to reach out to the FreeBSD security team List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Correlation-ID: X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202172, ipnet:91.218.175.0/24, country:CH] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StTkY3xXcz4VVt Hi Jan, I had a look at the issue to which you are referring. My understanding of your concern is that after a snapshot is taken, a user has their access to some portion of the data revoked, but would be able to work around this new restriction via `.zfs/snapshots` by virtue of the fact that all snapshots are faithful read-only reproductions of state at the time each snapshot was created and they thus do not inherit changes made to permissions later on. If I have misunderstood, please let me know (and probably disregard the rest of this reply). Changing a snapshot is impossible by design, and This Is A Feature Not A Bug; if you want a changeable snapshot, then a clone is what you're after. It would seem as though the `.zfs/snapshots` feature is not well-known (it does not appear even when `ls -lA` is invoked by root in the root directory of a pool, for example) and should probably be better publicized so each sysadmin can make a decision as to whether or not they should restrict access to that "directory" to the root user (or wheel or whatnot). That said, perhaps there should be a discussion regarding whether or not `.zfs/snapshots` should be simply disabled by default. Cheers, Alex ---------------------------------------- Dec 17, 2023 14:46:59 Jan Behrens : > Hi all, > > I tried to contact the FreeBSD security team and/or officer to bring > their attention to issue #265625, which I believe is security relevant > and which doesn't get fixed. > > None of my e-mails to secteam@FreeBSD.org or > security-officer@FreeBSD.org were answered. After some time, I tried to > write an e-mail to freebsd-security@freebsg.org. While that e-mail was > accepted by mx1.freebsd.org, I never got any response and my e-mail > didn't show up on the list. What is going on? > > My e-mails were sent on 2023-11-24 to secteam@FreeBSD.org, on > 2023-12-04 to security-officer@FreeBSD.org, and on 2023-12-11 to > freebsd-security@freebsd.org. > > Kind regards, > Jan Behrens From nobody Sun Dec 17 18:29:28 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StWhC3S1yz5418S for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de) Received: from gaoxing.magnetkern.de (gaoxing.magnetkern.de [167.235.225.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StWhB2jPvz4bCB for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de designates 167.235.225.147 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jbe-mlist@magnetkern.de; dmarc=none Received: from titanium.fritz.box (p200300c26f3d5c00264bfefffe54b09c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [IPv6:2003:c2:6f3d:5c00:264b:feff:fe54:b09c]) by gaoxing.magnetkern.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67FF13AC5E for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:29:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:29:28 +0100 From: Jan Behrens To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tried to reach out to the FreeBSD security team Message-Id: <20231217192928.c96da05aae056ff0b67a1df9@magnetkern.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20231217144640.9e5881decba4008d88971e85@magnetkern.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:167.235.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[magnetkern.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StWhB2jPvz4bCB X-Spamd-Bar: -- Hi Alex, First of all, I would like to say that I didn't mean to discuss on here whether this issue is security relevant or not. I have already discussed that on the forum here: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/91178/ And I also provided a link in the Bugzilla there: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=265625#c5 Instead, came to this list to understand how to contact the security team or why I haven't received any response (maybe it's a technical issue or I reached out to a wrong address?) If the security team considers this to be non-security-relevant, I would ideally like to hear it from them. At the very least, I'd like to make sure they did receive my e-mail and looked through my considerations of why I believe this is a security issue. As of yet, I didn't even get a response like, "We looked at this issue and think you're wrong." If that would be the case, I understand, but so far I've gotten nothing, like my e-mails were just dropped. That said, see my inline response below: On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:01:01 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Alexander Burke wrote: > Hi Jan, > > I had a look at the issue to which you are referring. > > My understanding of your concern is that after a snapshot is taken, a user has their access to some portion of the data revoked, but would be able to work around this new restriction via `.zfs/snapshots` by virtue of the fact that all snapshots are faithful read-only reproductions of state at the time each snapshot was created and they thus do not inherit changes made to permissions later on. My concern is that a snapshot is world-readable by default *and* force-mounted *and* immutable. It's the combination of these three things. In turn, file mode changes are effectively not reflected in real time, which can be a problem, for example, when group memberships change. > > If I have misunderstood, please let me know (and probably disregard the rest of this reply). One misunderstanding is (probably) that it also affects groups, not just users. So users which have never had access to the original data might gain access to it (e.g. when they are added to a group later). This has also been brought up by me on the forum (link above). > > Changing a snapshot is impossible by design, and This Is A Feature Not A Bug; if you want a changeable snapshot, then a clone is what you're after. I don't want to make snapshots changeable. I understand that they are read-only, and I don't propose any feature like that (as for that, we have zfs clone). The issue is that snapshots (not their clones) are force-mounted and world-readable. If you look through the forum thread, you'll also see some comments on zfs-clone and zfs-promote in this matter. None of these fix the race condition. > > It would seem as though the `.zfs/snapshots` feature is not well-known (it does not appear even when `ls -lA` is invoked by root in the root directory of a pool, for example) and should probably be better publicized so each sysadmin can make a decision as to whether or not they should restrict access to that "directory" to the root user (or wheel or whatnot). > > That said, perhaps there should be a discussion regarding whether or not `.zfs/snapshots` should be simply disabled by default. In my opinion, at least world-readability should be disabled by default. Unfortunately this issue is lingering for years, despite its (arguable) security impact. > > Cheers, > Alex Thanks for your response and kind regards, Jan Behrens > ---------------------------------------- > > Dec 17, 2023 14:46:59 Jan Behrens : > > > Hi all, > > > > I tried to contact the FreeBSD security team and/or officer to bring > > their attention to issue #265625, which I believe is security relevant > > and which doesn't get fixed. > > > > None of my e-mails to secteam@FreeBSD.org or > > security-officer@FreeBSD.org were answered. After some time, I tried to > > write an e-mail to freebsd-security@freebsg.org. While that e-mail was > > accepted by mx1.freebsd.org, I never got any response and my e-mail > > didn't show up on the list. What is going on? > > > > My e-mails were sent on 2023-11-24 to secteam@FreeBSD.org, on > > 2023-12-04 to security-officer@FreeBSD.org, and on 2023-12-11 to > > freebsd-security@freebsd.org. > > > > Kind regards, > > Jan Behrens > From nobody Sun Dec 17 20:13:51 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4StZ0f5Zzhz54B2F for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 20:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4StZ0f2dpCz3Jq4 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 20:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 83587 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2023 20:13:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=1467f657f5680.k2312; bh=Bez2993kRBLjsDL7GTTTXY24gxl6vhAGzeRGiwJLArk=; b=wXH4hbuYw0TdIOey8kJcJzayziGv3GDAL5EviSdVaAUosUEDDvL0NI0Ei2/x309NBEP/nYfaEnsL0MydfBewmIsBaxA3B3Vt1Ii+ujZlz85GUa1USsnWZz9E9NpiKVzzGh3aB35Hq8458msNMnAX4D49ENaOuG0vWRcBid7F2WYZumlK6sQUTNKfDPfD7+lt6P4FecqxxCLElGsueTjpqyHfVQ70HWXd2W9SACeQU2BZ20nhKgC4Q9SY4ym9fChm7mDmJV0+JrB652ymaUtcmtXHdT3yUVYQ1HJqEjUtm9oJAbcNh+G0rVS8ZmRnXYdpPZ+fw7khHnb3cveSv1IHqA== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 17 Dec 2023 20:13:51 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id E63AE7EF41EE; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 15:13:51 -0500 (EST) Date: 17 Dec 2023 15:13:51 -0500 Message-Id: <20231217201351.E63AE7EF41EE@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: bc979@lafn.org Subject: Re: Client Certificate Verification In-Reply-To: <174A9481-186F-44EC-A129-96ACD985DD76@sermon-archive.info> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StZ0f2dpCz3Jq4 It appears that Doug Hardie said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I have an application to which clients connect using a browser over SSL. I have a LetsEncrypt certificate for the app that lets the client authenticate the app. >However, I need to have a multitude of client certificates (one per client machine). I am generating these certificates from a self-signed root certificate. I can get >the client to verify the app and provide the client certificate to it. The app is unable to verify the client certificate. I have not been able to figure out how to >have openssl distribute one certificate (from LetsEncrytp), but verify the received client certificate using different certificate chain. Openssl will pass me some of >the received certificate fields. However, without certificate verification I cannot be sure that those values came from a certificate I generated. Is there a way to do >this either with openssl or libtls? OpenSSL gets its list of trusted root signers from a big list in /etc/ssl so you want to add your CA to that list. See the certctl command for more details on how it's managed. Most FreeBSD systems use the ca_root_nss package to update that list, so the trick is to keep your cert from getting deleted the next time the package is updated. You might try putting your cert in /usr/local/share/certs/ rather than /usr/share/certs/trusted where the standard certs are. 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From: Alexander Burke To: Jan Behrens Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freqlabs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <72c0cfb0-e13b-4a41-b1c9-65aa165c8b59@alexburke.ca> In-Reply-To: <20231217192928.c96da05aae056ff0b67a1df9@magnetkern.de> References: <20231217144640.9e5881decba4008d88971e85@magnetkern.de> <20231217192928.c96da05aae056ff0b67a1df9@magnetkern.de> Subject: Re: Tried to reach out to the FreeBSD security team List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Correlation-ID: <72c0cfb0-e13b-4a41-b1c9-65aa165c8b59@alexburke.ca> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StZ7z69v9z3S7l Hi Jan, Given that freqlabs@ is responsible for the sysutils/openzfs port, I've taken the liberty of CCing them; perhaps they can point us in the right direction. Cheers, Alex ---------------------------------------- Dec 17, 2023 19:29:48 Jan Behrens : > Hi Alex, > > First of all, I would like to say that I didn't mean to discuss on here > whether this issue is security relevant or not. I have already > discussed that on the forum here: > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/91178/ > > And I also provided a link in the Bugzilla there: > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=265625#c5 > > Instead, came to this list to understand how to contact the security > team or why I haven't received any response (maybe it's a technical > issue or I reached out to a wrong address?) > > If the security team considers this to be non-security-relevant, I > would ideally like to hear it from them. At the very least, I'd like to > make sure they did receive my e-mail and looked through my > considerations of why I believe this is a security issue. As of yet, I > didn't even get a response like, "We looked at this issue and think > you're wrong." If that would be the case, I understand, but so far I've > gotten nothing, like my e-mails were just dropped. > > That said, see my inline response below: > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 18:01:01 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > Alexander Burke wrote: > >> Hi Jan, >> >> I had a look at the issue to which you are referring. >> >> My understanding of your concern is that after a snapshot is taken, a user has their access to some portion of the data revoked, but would be able to work around this new restriction via `.zfs/snapshots` by virtue of the fact that all snapshots are faithful read-only reproductions of state at the time each snapshot was created and they thus do not inherit changes made to permissions later on. > > My concern is that a snapshot is world-readable by default *and* > force-mounted *and* immutable. It's the combination of these three > things. In turn, file mode changes are effectively not reflected in > real time, which can be a problem, for example, when group memberships > change. > >> >> If I have misunderstood, please let me know (and probably disregard the rest of this reply). > > One misunderstanding is (probably) that it also affects groups, not > just users. So users which have never had access to the original data > might gain access to it (e.g. when they are added to a group later). > > This has also been brought up by me on the forum (link above). > >> >> Changing a snapshot is impossible by design, and This Is A Feature Not A Bug; if you want a changeable snapshot, then a clone is what you're after. > > I don't want to make snapshots changeable. I understand that they are > read-only, and I don't propose any feature like that (as for that, we > have zfs clone). The issue is that snapshots (not their clones) are > force-mounted and world-readable. > > If you look through the forum thread, you'll also see some comments on > zfs-clone and zfs-promote in this matter. None of these fix the race > condition. > >> >> It would seem as though the `.zfs/snapshots` feature is not well-known (it does not appear even when `ls -lA` is invoked by root in the root directory of a pool, for example) and should probably be better publicized so each sysadmin can make a decision as to whether or not they should restrict access to that "directory" to the root user (or wheel or whatnot). >> >> That said, perhaps there should be a discussion regarding whether or not `.zfs/snapshots` should be simply disabled by default. > > In my opinion, at least world-readability should be disabled by > default. Unfortunately this issue is lingering for years, despite its > (arguable) security impact. > >> >> Cheers, >> Alex > > Thanks for your response and kind regards, > Jan Behrens > >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> Dec 17, 2023 14:46:59 Jan Behrens : >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I tried to contact the FreeBSD security team and/or officer to bring >>> their attention to issue #265625, which I believe is security relevant >>> and which doesn't get fixed. >>> >>> None of my e-mails to secteam@FreeBSD.org or >>> security-officer@FreeBSD.org were answered. After some time, I tried to >>> write an e-mail to freebsd-security@freebsg.org. While that e-mail was >>> accepted by mx1.freebsd.org, I never got any response and my e-mail >>> didn't show up on the list. 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List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <30903.1702846400.1@hell> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:53:20 +0100 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[satanist@bureaucracy.de,philipp@bureaucracy.de]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15598, ipnet:2a01:138::/32, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bureaucracy.de]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[satanist@bureaucracy.de,philipp@bureaucracy.de]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4StZtL0mzRz3L81 X-Spamd-Bar: - Hi [2023-12-16 21:48] Doug Hardie > I have an application to which clients connect using a browser over SSL. = I have a LetsEncrypt certificate for the app that lets the > client authenticate the app. However, I need to have a multitude of cli= ent certificates (one per client machine). I am generating > these certificates from a self-signed root certificate. I can get the c= lient to verify the app and provide the client certificate = > to it. The app is unable to verify the client certificate. I have not b= een able to figure out how to have openssl distribute oner > certificate (from LetsEncrytp), but verify the received client certificat= e using different certificate chain. Openssl will pass me > some of the received certificate fields. However, without certificate ve= rification I cannot be sure that those values came from a > certificate I generated. Is there a way to do this either with openssl o= r libtls? Most webserver have a way to set the CA for client auth. I.e. in nginx you can set ssl_client_certificate[0]. Other webserver have similar options. TLS and TLS client auth are quite complex. Using a more tested implementation is better then implemnting it yourself. satanist [0] https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_ssl_module.html#ssl_client_cert= ificate From nobody Mon Dec 18 14:53:23 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv2rk4Fy3z54byf for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 14:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-4322.protonmail.ch (mail-4322.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sv2rh4rmkz3Mb1 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 14:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proton.me header.s=khbykubqwrcixdclev344iycda.protonmail header.b=NPPCj3Gx; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jfadams1963@proton.me designates 185.70.43.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jfadams1963@proton.me; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=proton.me DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=khbykubqwrcixdclev344iycda.protonmail; t=1702911217; x=1703170417; bh=HK+WNUJmhKA6dHfzUo4nJjSf5sTFcslba7wsrADNtRU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=NPPCj3GxC//899b9IUUalX6sYbvLMejFF7DjLyo/HGXYuQ8OxiMCXzi59MDuxoEWd 0VasoBhbRoPxzYHxDJcU9OlfPxejk5TFXCOQ0vRkQQmXZMw50EX0dkxb//h9FgiTsc hX7i0nuA4ywtMHUnvV6zWlp4d7ACeEDtGQfpSmJBAZC37wptByBFvy7mRwmO79JSS4 wTruVExdGam4/AYTg34WCZcaIh7021bCjPIlqiIpi1EOMJR8hxtsTsZpMe30RXtd1Q +uNufKhnFfcfT78TI9p/cPrqKmd26s/pMNuC4JrdVpFEWs8j8G3qlTkRhlKrNNIs4X 57LrQMilBkb3w== Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 14:53:23 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jonathan Adams Subject: Need help with Selenium, geckodriver and Firefox on FreeBSD Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------2d9e40e8ab23ab2a73595af3da4e61c42817db023d71dd7757472d2b5f7fb4f5"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.50 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proton.me,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[185.70.43.22:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.43.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proton.me:s=khbykubqwrcixdclev344iycda.protonmail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proton.me:+]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sv2rh4rmkz3Mb1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------2d9e40e8ab23ab2a73595af3da4e61c42817db023d71dd7757472d2b5f7fb4f5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------4f5b1ada347ddca2576ea3976c7c8fcf -----------------------4f5b1ada347ddca2576ea3976c7c8fcf Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Hi folks, Before dumping the details of what I'm working on, I just wanted to ask = if any one on the list has experience getting the geckodriver and firefox = to work with the selenium webdriver in Python on FreeBSD. This might not be a FBSD specific issue, but I've had no luck with chrom= ium, and am now trying firefox. Still nothing. Hours of Duckduckgo-ing and= a ticket on the Selenium GitHub site have not helped, and most of the inf= ormation out there is outdated and/or for Linux|Windows; not much info for= FBSD. If any one is willing to lend a hand I have plenty more detail. We can t= ake the conversation off-list if appropriate. Thanks! - Jonathan Adams ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. After Turing, numbers began doing things" - George Dyson -----------------------4f5b1ada347ddca2576ea3976c7c8fcf-- --------2d9e40e8ab23ab2a73595af3da4e61c42817db023d71dd7757472d2b5f7fb4f5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmWAXMMJkI6O/sbt8r3IFiEEcBGzOO9wDbcpT/10jo7+xu3y vcgAAHAZAQDXxPN9dplh/I6zbHwBai88OP6TdMGrW8/F7k/B6Grd/wD8Dmh5 yV3pUTmhBgBHpllMKFoMVSq3K30HV6n5B3bfQgg= =xTuL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------2d9e40e8ab23ab2a73595af3da4e61c42817db023d71dd7757472d2b5f7fb4f5-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 17:47:27 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv6jM1Hg0z54nSN for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Received: from wilbur.contactoffice.com (wilbur.contactoffice.com [212.3.242.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sv6jL61Jnz4Y9Q for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ichabod.co-bxl (ichabod.co-bxl [10.2.0.36]) by wilbur.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2841640; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:47:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1702921650; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=sysadmin.lists@mailfence.com; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc; l=1378; bh=wfyWCAUYq1Ndt2fscniPgIRCJ11Kxc/PrGpLhDH73Js=; b=nF6qCvYaFDgg7vSgJJleS896I2JKZgAGUuUebZgrlz70e+TOtjXpm89haKNbbuD8 Zk745tRwfKeHcCrcOGxctihoSw0+AxlzsgnFiC62abqRRMR1LYMvooNgNw6pYptdtkm LysoljyvdNwfk0iYEyRkTKT8BEQ9wApRfLej4i08omtcpLw6MhXpUoR6srnwrzneXys 5AGavJ61B4t2iQ9eZ/+n3XHEVj3lJcgxySbtfuwKxG5jiOn22ua4WdarRzIdeG68Pcy KMvxCJntQUM7Fbdh+IGxVKIrSuVZunq8mu5F53O5zgKpwZe2K9/UFwCwk1iw3CTNv27 xZRT81JaKQ== Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:47:27 +0100 (CET) From: Sysadmin Lists To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1933540094.747591.1702921647380@ichabod.co-bxl> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Need help with Selenium, geckodriver and Firefox on FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jonathan Adams X-Mailer: ContactOffice Mail X-ContactOffice-Account: com:312482426 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:203, ipnet:212.3.242.64/26, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sv6jL61Jnz4Y9Q > ---------------------------------------- > From: Jonathan Adams > Date: Dec 18, 2023, 6:53:23 AM > To: > Subject: Need help with Selenium, geckodriver and Firefox on FreeBSD > > > Hi folks, > Before dumping the details of what I'm working on, I just wanted to ask if any one on the list has experience getting the geckodriver and firefox to work with the selenium webdriver in Python on FreeBSD. > > This might not be a FBSD specific issue, but I've had no luck with chromium, and am now trying firefox. Still nothing. Hours of Duckduckgo-ing and a ticket on the Selenium GitHub site have not helped, and most of the information out there is outdated and/or for Linux|Windows; not much info for FBSD. > > If any one is willing to lend a hand I have plenty more detail. We can take the conversation off-list if appropriate. > > Thanks! I've been using Selenium on FreeBSD for awhile. I recently switched from using chromium to firefox because a recent change to `chromium --headless' causes transparent windows to open on the desktop. The switch to using firefox required I stop using the remote server feature, instead opening new firefox instances for each web query, but it works well enough. What problem are you having with them? -- Sent with https://mailfence.com Secure and private email From nobody Mon Dec 18 17:50:36 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv6n12h8Pz54nwr for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sv6n05Qbbz4fY2 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.17.2/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 3BIHoaKv003043 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:50:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202310; t=1702921836; bh=6Sv/HpqEbYhAi4ao42kN+SAwKYEIut4AHhV9o3iUSx8=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=TsJlX9/aUweHmsw1NEVMqGCONTH5Wy/Cd33DVgpVIa19jXKzdg5KMzZ2YivV99gad /0h9M7GXWh0w/GcZd0RZeTS6GFOeQ5DvEdeZHPq7csS2A5mEzFwWJUu6t2o2FAWldQ O3G43lgu5EgQTd9XS2sGsdGhgqnqto12XNqk1+xg= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:50:36 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Need help with Selenium, geckodriver and Firefox on FreeBSD Content-Language: en-US To: Jonathan Adams , questions@freebsd.org References: From: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sv6n05Qbbz4fY2 On 12/18/23 15:53, Jonathan Adams wrote: > Hi folks, Hello. > Before dumping the details of what I'm working on, I just wanted to ask if any one on the list has experience getting the geckodriver and firefox to work with the selenium webdriver in Python on FreeBSD. Tried that some years ago, without success. > This might not be a FBSD specific issue, but I've had no luck with chromium, and am now trying firefox. Ah! For me it was the other way around: Firefox would have been my first choice, but it would not work, so I moved to Chromium, which worked almost immediately. > If any one is willing to lend a hand I have plenty more detail. We can take the conversation off-list if appropriate. Not sure I can help, because I dropped that project long ago, but just ask and I'll see what I remember (assuming it still applies). bye av. From nobody Mon Dec 18 18:12:38 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv7GH53s2z54q7S for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kreuter@progn.net) Received: from vps3c.progn.net (vps3c.progn.net [45.77.108.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv7GG6t2xz3gpH for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kreuter@progn.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kreuter@progn.net designates 45.77.108.154 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kreuter@progn.net; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=progn.net Received: from flint.progn.net (unknown [10.0.2.4]) by vps3c.progn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB4A61D2E for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from flint.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flint.progn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431C64144E97 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:12:38 -0500 (EST) From: Richard M Kreuter To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Major version upgrades needing drivers in kmod packages? X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.8; Emacs 29.1 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <31636.1702923156.1@flint.local> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: <31637.1702923158@flint.local> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.91 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.79)[0.786]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[progn.net,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:45.77.96.0/20, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sv7GG6t2xz3gpH X-Spamd-Bar: / Hi all, Is there a recommended way to do a major version upgrade when a system needs some drivers from kmod packages in order to be able to finish the upgrade after booting into the new kernel? I use these steps from the Handbook for upgrading: # freebsd-update -r upgrade # freebsd-upgrade install # reboot # freebsd-update install # pkg-static upgrade -f # freebsd-update install # if necessary after the pkg upgrade During a major version upgrade, a driver supplied by a kmod package may (IME, will) go out of commission between the reboot and the end of the pkg upgrade. On some systems, the incapcacitated device doesn't impede the rest of the upgrade procedure. For example, my laptop loses graphics after the reboot, but I don't need graphics to do the rest of the steps. But two of my systems are headless boxes whose NIC driver comes from a kmod package. Because they're headless, I'll need networking in order to log in and do the steps after the reboot. (I can get physical access, could perhaps work around this with a USB NIC, but I'd hope there's a software-only approach.) I'm sure I can't be the first person to encounter this scenario, but I can't find a documented solution in the Handbook or on forums and lists. Thanks in advance, Richard From nobody Mon Dec 18 18:44:58 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sv7zs2Lr9z53dc5 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sv7zp37MFz3FKZ for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proton.me header.s=protonmail header.b=SFtRw233; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jfadams1963@proton.me designates 185.70.43.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jfadams1963@proton.me; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=proton.me DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1702925105; x=1703184305; bh=udJwrHuYNGI9lJRXCFUInNFy1A76hsMEE+xl4Pt0TNc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=SFtRw233lFXaZJPSwdPd2yaYlkG1dvhWBLNnSFKHBls4F2NT9HVZqMGpNIVOMl6yy AMczF/6TmQwvCCZ3Ie5v6YS40qxo/Fn1b+KZfGhXehopLfyiVf3qsEziT0UALu868p NG2qz47V3DLYqjSl8Pi1PLEt/NHJSkXVTf/Ir79gQ+ZGp4u/J/5H7jqbLdzGrkwJbu apgGR7f3uTxLEkHJynXIRn56IML1R3A8Hg3QqMzfJEQjatJ7t8YAo49cvdYsIVeXVb 8iwfxx45iRfq+7T5fad+maJvj5Q7JL041/3vIt7LYLKgENaCDETKrWQOd4RoybT0nZ VDliXhqxEGQ6A== Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:44:58 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jonathan Adams Subject: Re: Need help with Selenium, geckodriver and Firefox on FreeBSD Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------5376ddbd573f772060790221796601296f976bbb22e601d1cff03220b46e5810"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.50 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proton.me,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[185.70.43.16:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.43.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proton.me:s=protonmail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proton.me:+]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sv7zp37MFz3FKZ X-Spamd-Bar: ------ This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------5376ddbd573f772060790221796601296f976bbb22e601d1cff03220b46e5810 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------f67f8e07f3a0940617432f1059aec960 -----------------------f67f8e07f3a0940617432f1059aec960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Thanks to the two responders to whom I've replied to off-list. :-) -=C2=A0Jonathan ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. After Turing, numbers began doing things" - George Dyson -----------------------f67f8e07f3a0940617432f1059aec960-- --------5376ddbd573f772060790221796601296f976bbb22e601d1cff03220b46e5810 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmWAkwoJkI6O/sbt8r3IFiEEcBGzOO9wDbcpT/10jo7+xu3y vcgAAPU4AP9kF67kQf9dk+NjgdFcHt9vQqDTZSo7TkTbDoyK5ERnGgEA0m2o jH0Qp6ozYWLWpqANpyAQzIfDnGSgorw7wTNZSwE= =NOAr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------5376ddbd573f772060790221796601296f976bbb22e601d1cff03220b46e5810-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 20:17:58 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SvB3Q1QDNz53lNG for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redc3ll@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-40133.protonmail.ch (mail-40133.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SvB3N5fV5z3CN4 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redc3ll@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=u2HXKiqB; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of redc3ll@protonmail.com designates 185.70.40.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=redc3ll@protonmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1702930701; x=1703189901; bh=vD1DZwMFFDLmY+04rL+U8Y2k3I0PKFKKa4fc0RwkzcU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=u2HXKiqB+8T/luh25ZYYMtPEZ/d9+uBWdI/V7BOqm+aZo7LtqciXQ5LnQhM3KUzNX MReSuaNyM9q/TIgVwqjWZHeBoltjue3JAFJrdlCnIUmbNpwLuSTnB/onIMkwRismMC lPhSBJOQ7xWlMw9SX/DFY9jyBCKhjx0DPoDFTX9gOISxxfp85rmSmUQFiNAm0rVCnU lFRHtdV8k+SOyqEulVoUSbNznzw24q3k63GP9LYYwFaVn73yKQ+B71x0k0JofhJ9/J dI4jtuPAdGjGe7oGkdHrQTLMDCUEDbmvbwQWxSBymQHUhlB7VTDuK7ZcnTR9jZYGby T6Ni5/v+GRK2Q== Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:17:58 +0000 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: Jop Subject: "The installed loader is a binary, not a filesystem, so even minor changes require recompiling." -George W. 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Lucas in Absolute fBSD To: Jop Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000085656a060ccee60a" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SvBmV70Fzz4ZlT --00000000000085656a060ccee60a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:19=E2=80=AFPM Jop wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have just begun my journey into FreeBSD using George W. Lucas' *Absolut= e > FreeBSD *3rd edition*.* My question is about *chapter 4* *Start Me Up! > The Boot Process,* page 51. > I was befuddled by a statement he made, likely due to my IT nescience. > To my confusion, Lucas states: > > > A BIOS has all sorts of limitations. The boot loader must reside in a v= ery > specific section of the disk. BIOS can=E2=80=99t boot from disks larger t= han 2.2TB. > The target boot loader must be smaller than 512KB=E2=80=94huge by 1980 > >standards, yes, but paltry today. :::*The installed loader is a binary, > not a filesystem, so even minor changes require recompiling *:::*.* > > > Though this aspect of his introduction to FreeBSD is not about FreeBSD > directly, it seems vital for me to understand this correctly so that I ca= n > aptly understand FreeBSD as a sheer operating system and how an operating > system boots. I was confused about Lucas' description because he is > implying there are *some *conditions in which a bootloader can be an > actual *filesystem*. This appears very illogical to me, as to me he seems > to be saying the loader itself should be something like FAT32, UFS, or ZF= S. > Though filesystems, if my understanding is correct, help us *organise *ou= r > data, they do not themselves *contain *data but rather offer an organised > space *for *that data, like a library with empty bookshelves that we are > ourselves to fill. Hence, if that "library" does not contain a bit of dat= a > (e.g. the bootloader) that tells the BIOS how to boot the operating syste= m, > the operating system cannot boot. Hence, it is logically implied that the > bootloader cannot be called in itself a filesystem=E2=80=94not just *some= times *under > some conditions, but *ever*. > As I trust Lucas' expertise, how have I misread him? What is he actually > trying to say? > > I have searched online, and read a Wiki on bootloaders > and filesystems > , only to have my asinine > interpretation confirmed. > > Now, one a second note, I am new to the FreeBSD community, I have not > before used mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums were down. I understand > IT communities can be strict about what and how things are communicated, > and I hope i have done right by sending this email. I hope that I have do= ne > sufficient research by searching online, consulting the WiKi pages, the > mailing list archives, and of course Lucas' book. I hope that my question > is on-topic enough and that my beginner-level will not stagnate the flow = of > your erudite communications. Should I have not utilised this mailing list > properly, kindly accept my apologies and let me know. > > Sincerely, > > *J.* > Your comment is well written. I'm afraid my response will fail in any attempt to be as articulate as you. -- Sorry in advance. BIOS understands one thing; that is where to find an initial binary blob (or MBR). The binary that gets placed into that MBR we call a stage0 bootloader. That MBR must exist for all operating systems in the same place; it's how BIOS hands off control to an actual kernel. The MBR doesn't live within any filesystem. It's the first sector / first block of a given boot disk, is always the same size and will always be loaded into memory and executed as the first "task" BIOS does. In the world of FreeBSD even though there can only ever be one MBR on a given disk, that data that's stored within the MBR, can be exploited to read other sectors off of a disk which could in turn load basic file system functionality. You can imagine once basic file system functionality is loaded, at that point it's just a matter of calling the necessary bits to load other parts of your loader. FreeBSD differentiates these different stages as: stage0, stage1 ..., etc. stage0 being more or less what I described above; it's the entrypoint for BIOS. stage1 and onward dealing with basic filesystem functionality (at least initially) and then going from there. When I refer to the term `bootloader', I generally use it in the context of `stage0', though truthfully it could mean the entire process. ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --00000000000085656a060ccee60a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:1= 9=E2=80=AFPM Jop <redc3ll@prot= onmail.com> wrote:
Hello= everyone,
=
I have= just begun my journey into FreeBSD using George W. Lucas' Absolute = FreeBSD 3rd edition.=C2=A0My question is about chapter 4 = Start Me Up! The Boot Process,=C2=A0page 51.
I was befuddled by a= statement he made, likely due to my IT nescience.
To my confusion, Luca= s states:=C2=A0

<= blockquote style=3D"border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200);border-color:rgb= (200,200,200);padding-left:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">>=C2=A0A B= IOS has all sorts of limitations. The boot loader must reside in a=C2=A0very specific section of the disk. BIOS can=E2=80=99t boot from disks l= arger than 2.2TB. The target boot loader must be smaller than 512KB=E2=80= =94huge by 1980
>standards, yes, but paltry today. :::The = installed loader is a binary, not a filesystem, so even minor changes requi= re recompiling :::.=C2=A0

Though = this aspect of his introduction to FreeBSD is not about FreeBSD directly, i= t seems vital for me to understand this correctly so that I can aptly under= stand FreeBSD as a sheer operating system and how an operating system boots= . I was confused about Lucas' description because he is implying there = are some conditions in which a bootloader can be an actual filesy= stem. This appears very illogical to me, as to me he seems to be saying= the loader itself should be something like FAT32, UFS, or ZFS. Though file= systems, if my understanding is correct, help us organise our data, = they do not themselves contain data but rather offer an organised sp= ace for that data, like a library with empty bookshelves that we are= ourselves to fill. Hence, if that "library" does not contain a b= it of data (e.g. the bootloader) that tells the BIOS how to boot the operat= ing system, the operating system cannot boot. Hence, it is logically implie= d that the bootloader cannot be called in itself a filesystem=E2=80= =94not just sometimes under some conditions, but ever.=
As I trust Lucas' expertise, how have I misread him? What is he act= ually trying to say?

I have searched online, and read a Wiki on bootloaders and filesystems, only t= o have my asinine interpretation confirmed.

Now, o= ne a second note, I am new to the FreeBSD community, I have not before used= mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums were down. I understand IT communiti= es can be strict about what and how things are communicated, and I hope i h= ave done right by sending this email. I hope that I have done sufficient re= search by searching online, consulting the WiKi pages, the mailing list arc= hives, and of course Lucas' book. I hope that my question is on-topic e= nough and that my beginner-level will not stagnate the flow of your erudite= communications. Should I have not utilised this mailing list properly, kin= dly accept my apologies and let me know.

Sincerely= ,

J.

Your comment is well written.=C2= =A0 I'm afraid my response will fail in any attempt to be as articulate= as you.=C2=A0 -- Sorry in advance.

BIOS understands one = thing; that is where to find an initial binary blob (or MBR).=C2=A0 The bin= ary that gets placed into that MBR we call a stage0 bootloader.=C2=A0 That = MBR must exist for all operating systems in the same place; it's how BI= OS hands off control to an actual kernel.
The MBR doesn't= live within any filesystem.=C2=A0 It's the first sector / first block = of a given boot disk, is always the same size and will always be loaded int= o memory and executed as the first "task" BIOS does.

In the world of FreeBSD even though there can only ever be one MBR on= a given disk, that data that's stored within the MBR, can be exploited= to read other sectors off of a disk which could in turn load basic file sy= stem functionality.
You can imagine once basic file system fu= nctionality is loaded, at that point it's just a matter of calling the = necessary bits to load other parts of your loader.

FreeBS= D differentiates these different stages as: stage0, stage1 ..., etc.

stage0 being more or less what I described above; it= 's the entrypoint for BIOS.
stage1 and onward dealing wit= h basic filesystem functionality (at least initially) and then going from t= here.

When I refer to the term `bootloader', I genera= lly use it in the context of `stage0', though truthfully it could mean = the entire process.

~Paul
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You can find a nice description in the locally-available documentation provided by FreeBSD, in "man 8 boot". > I was confused about Lucas' description because he is implying > there are some conditions in which a bootloader can be an actual > filesystem. That is technically not correct - it can _reside_ in a filesystem. While in classic MBR booting, the mentioned 512 B block at a specific location is a binary - it will be executed by the BIOS -, in EFI booting the boot loader, also being a binary, has to reside on a FAT partition as a file. Note again: The MBR boot block is not a file, it exists outside of all and any partition. However, it is not that simple. :-) Normally, a boot loader boots one operating system. If it allows you to select which OS to boot, i. e., which partition transfer control to, it is often called a "boot manager", but also it is a 512 B block. In case of more advanced boot managers, this 512 B block boots a specific partition, often called the "boot partition", where the boot manager resides on, and that boot manager then again is a binary in a file system (as with EFI). Note that the concept of a file system is not tied to a partition on a storage device, it can also reside as a file system in memory, for example, by unpacking data from a file into memory. > This appears very illogical to me, as to me he seems > to be saying the loader itself should be something like > FAT32, UFS, or ZFS. A boot loader cannot be a file system. It can be stored on one, but that isn't a 1:1 relationship (read: "it depends"). > Though filesystems, if my understanding is correct, help > us organise our data, they do not themselves contain data > but rather offer an organised space for that data, like a > library with empty bookshelves that we are ourselves to fill. Again, technically they are data, called meta-data. It states where user data is actually stored, what access paths get you to that data, what attributes the data has and so on. What I really recommend is the article about UFS (FFS) by M. K. McKusick. > Hence, if that "library" does not contain a bit of data > (e.g. the bootloader) that tells the BIOS how to boot the > operating system, the operating system cannot boot. Correct - because there is no operating system (with just a file system existing). In BIOS booting, a partition that is marked active can be booted, which is what the BIOS does. It transfers control to a specific location in that partition and reads its content into memory to be executed. If that what is found there is not a boot loader, nothing will happen. It's like a freshly formatted FAT partition with the active bit set - it doesn't boot DOS (not that DOS, the other one), because there is no DOS on it (yet). On FreeBSD, the boot process involves several steps, but that also applies to Linux, where often the additional step of a boot manager is included (but typically not required). The first step transfers control to the active partition with the boot program, that in turn reads the kernel, which then boots, and constructs the requirements for the root file system to be mounted, from where execution continues, in order to run system services and startup programs, which is the task of the "init" program. On the system boot level, terms like "chain loading" or "second stage booting" are common to describe those mechanisms. As I said, "man 8 boot" contains a good overview on how things work on FreeBSD, with SEE ALSO for parts like BTX and boot0. > Hence, it is logically implied that the bootloader cannot > be called in itself a filesystem—not just sometimes under > some conditions, but ever. Yes. That is correct. > Now, one a second note, I am new to the FreeBSD community, > I have not before used mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums > were down. I understand IT communities can be strict about > what and how things are communicated, and I hope i have done > right by sending this email. I hope that I have done sufficient > research by searching online, consulting the WiKi pages, the > mailing list archives, and of course Lucas' book. I hope that > my question is on-topic enough and that my beginner-level will > not stagnate the flow of your erudite communications. Should > I have not utilised this mailing list properly, kindly accept > my apologies and let me know. This mailing list is very friendly and polite, and you have not done anything wrong. At least from my point of view. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but allow me to welcome you to FreeBSD and its user question mailing list, which absolutely suits your inquiry. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Lucas in Absolute fBSD To: Jop , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SvD2R2Q9Pz3CqH On 12/18/23 3:17 PM, Jop wrote: Um, Michael W. Lucas , not George... > Hello everyone, > > I have just begun my journey into FreeBSD using George W. Lucas' > /Absolute FreeBSD /3rd edition/./ My question is about *chapter 4* > /Start Me Up! The Boot Process,/ page 51. > I was befuddled by a statement he made, likely due to my IT nescience. > To my confusion, Lucas states: > > > A BIOS has all sorts of limitations. The boot loader must reside in a very specific section of the disk. BIOS can’t boot from disks larger > than 2.2TB. The target boot loader must be smaller than 512KB—huge > by 1980 > >standards, yes, but paltry today. :::**​*The installed loader is a > binary, not a filesystem, so even minor changes require recompiling > *:::*.* > > > Though this aspect of his introduction to FreeBSD is not about FreeBSD > directly, it seems vital for me to understand this correctly so that I > can aptly understand FreeBSD as a sheer operating system and how an > operating system boots. I was confused about Lucas' description because > he is implying there are /some /conditions in which a bootloader can be > an actual /filesystem/. This appears very illogical to me, as to me he > seems to be saying the loader itself should be something like FAT32, > UFS, or ZFS. Though filesystems, if my understanding is correct, help us > /organise /our data, they do not themselves /contain /data but rather > offer an organised space /for /that data, like a library with empty > bookshelves that we are ourselves to fill. Hence, if that "library" does > not contain a bit of data (e.g. the bootloader) that tells the BIOS how > to boot the operating system, the operating system cannot boot. Hence, > it is logically implied that the bootloader cannot be called in itself a > filesystem—not just /sometimes /under some conditions, but /ever/. > As I trust Lucas' expertise, how have I misread him? What is he actually > trying to say? > > I have searched online, and read a Wiki on bootloaders > and filesystems > , only to have my asinine > interpretation confirmed. > > Now, one a second note, I am new to the FreeBSD community, I have not > before used mailing lists, and the FreeBSD forums were down. I > understand IT communities can be strict about what and how things are > communicated, and I hope i have done right by sending this email. I hope > that I have done sufficient research by searching online, consulting the > WiKi pages, the mailing list archives, and of course Lucas' book. I hope > that my question is on-topic enough and that my beginner-level will not > stagnate the flow of your erudite communications. 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There seem to be only two relevant pkgs, "libreoffice" and "libreoffice-il8n", and the latter seems identical to the former except it also includes all the language pkgs, and I see at least wayland is included as a dependency in both pkgs. Thanks and best regards --- Dale Scott, P.Eng. 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At least that's what I've been doing in the past. Even though you will need to install a lot of X-relasted stuff because those are install dependencies, you can then use the headless program calls (e. g., "libreoffice --headless ..."). > There seem to be only two relevant pkgs, "libreoffice" and > "libreoffice-il8n", and the latter seems identical to the > former except it also includes all the language pkgs, and > I see at least wayland is included as a dependency in both > pkgs. If you don't need to use the language-dependent features, go with the regular "libreoffice" package, less stuff to install, more space to store actual data. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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a=Bxhjgy3MuvLX_Vf20tGr:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:07:23 -0700 (MST) From: Dale Scott To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <409152991.67334238.1702998443006.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <20231219120232.38a8c54c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <398120.65102871.1702941242239.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20231219120232.38a8c54c.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: headless libreoffice List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [174.0.43.39, 174.0.43.39] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_4562 (ZimbraWebClient - GC120 (Linux)/8.8.15_GA_3) Thread-Topic: headless libreoffice Thread-Index: 8vi7Y8/DvV06kxfu8pRtP4XOJNT3bg== X-CMAE-Envelope: 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that's what I've been doing in the past. Even though > you will need to install a lot of X-relasted stuff because > those are install dependencies, you can then use the headless > program calls (e. g., "libreoffice --headless ..."). > >> There seem to be only two relevant pkgs, "libreoffice" and >> "libreoffice-il8n", and the latter seems identical to the >> former except it also includes all the language pkgs, and >> I see at least wayland is included as a dependency in both >> pkgs. > > If you don't need to use the language-dependent features, > go with the regular "libreoffice" package, less stuff to > install, more space to store actual data. ;-) > Thanks! Appreciate the hand-holding. Cheers From nobody Tue Dec 19 23:05:28 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Svsk63cwgz55G9f for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 23:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-40133.protonmail.ch (mail-40133.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Svsk45KFCz4N6v for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 23:05:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proton.me header.s=protonmail header.b=e+zuNlLi; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jfadams1963@proton.me designates 185.70.40.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jfadams1963@proton.me; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=proton.me DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1703027145; x=1703286345; bh=j3NYB6++KVLA0yK/iVDSGqsbc9zcLy5DE6gUeSLgoPY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=e+zuNlLiKlrBrFFMTiEA74wHj1FRKBjtO/csrM4r7lXBkcvIXMVTmF9q/ZIqG0qXW R01w4T73ia6V7xlt4VKwZ4IkU1O1PPkeDDYcHVugEmwdhXhFJ/I90TDdZHqdOJSXPR frQY7OSbHq1XRiTERuNEdIReiIeu8O+/whzsv9HfRagBPs8IyXTaaXgWpXKLMAey+U ARspPV4iVaQBoXiiBE4eNqGRhFSz2nI2vn6S6zQC2/Q9fb1N8vONQwtnlOXStlD1GE 6TudtWkTAEYRbx1YozpitOPHxLbWxFwzi0AJkqSQ8QCZP2IORQfi+XeZ2tGNjnPplm +u/1RaDP4MyNA== Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 23:05:28 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Jonathan Adams Subject: freebsd-update fetch hanging in idle state Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------e18dc49305de631f72ace55f986a11abd4208e0f0a07b8a50268ffb2a96a8054"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.50 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proton.me,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[185.70.40.133:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proton.me:s=protonmail]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proton.me:+]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Svsk45KFCz4N6v X-Spamd-Bar: ------ This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------e18dc49305de631f72ace55f986a11abd4208e0f0a07b8a50268ffb2a96a8054 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------09be03e475763cabe4ba13b5a22759e3 -----------------------09be03e475763cabe4ba13b5a22759e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Hi folks, I'm updating my FBSD box as per the Security Advisory regarding OpenSSH. I'm running 14.0-RELEASE-p2, GENERIC kernel in AWS EC2. `freebsd-update fetch` hangs: # freebsd-update fetch src component not installed, skipped Looking up aws.update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 14.0-RELEASE from dualstack.aws.update.fre= ebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. The following files will be updated as part of updating to 14.0-RELEASE-p4: /bin/freebsd-version /boot/kernel/kernel /boot/kernel/nfscl.ko /usr/bin/slogin /usr/bin/ssh /usr/bin/ssh-keyscan /usr/include/fs/nfs/nfs_var.h /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/kernel.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/nfscl.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ssh-keyscan.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ssh.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libprivatessh.so.5.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib32/libprivatessh.so.5.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/libexec/ssh-keysign.debug /usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/sshd.debug /usr/lib/libprivatessh.a /usr/lib/libprivatessh.so.5 /usr/lib32/libprivatessh.a /usr/lib32/libprivatessh.so.5 /usr/libexec/ssh-keysign /usr/sbin/sshd (END) Running `ps` in another shell shows it inactive and fg: # ps | grep freebsd | grep -v grep 14473 1 I+ 0:00.28 /bin/sh /usr/sbin/freebsd-update fetch If I kill it (hup or terminate), then run `freebsd-update install`, I get: "No updates are available to install." Seems to be stalling on the actual fetch. Watching network connections whi= le it's running shows no activity. Any ideas? Upgrade from source? - Jonathan ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. 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Watching network connections w= hile it's running shows no activity. I must correct myself. The updates do seem to be fetched and /var/db/freeb= sd-update/ is populated. Specifically the files/ dir is full of the .gz up= date files. -=C2=A0Jonathan ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. 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Watching network connections > while it's running shows no activity. > > I must correct myself. The updates do seem to be fetched and > /var/db/freebsd-update/ is populated. Specifically the files/ dir is full > of the .gz update files. > > > - Jonathan > ____________________________________________ > "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. > After Turing, numbers began doing things" > - George Dyson At the point where "(END)" printd, you should have been in your pager, probably more(8). The pager should have patiently waited until you told it to exit. The parent process should have then awakened and proceeded. 'q' exits more. It is very possible that you tried this, but your message did not indicate it. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --000000000000e73781060ce64676 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:22=E2= =80=AFPM Jonathan Adams <jfadam= s1963@proton.me> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 19th, 2023= at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Adams <jfadams1963@proton.me> wrote:
>

> Seems to be stalling on the actual fetch. Watching network connections= while it's running shows no activity.

I must correct myself. The updates do seem to be fetched and /var/db/freebs= d-update/ is populated. Specifically the files/ dir is full of the .gz upda= te files.


-=C2=A0Jonathan
____________________________________________
"Before Turing, things were done to numbers.
After Turing, numbers began doing things"
- George Dyson

At the point= where "(END)" printd, you should have been in your pager, probab= ly more(8). The pager should have patiently waited until you told it to exi= t. The parent process should have then awakened and proceeded. 'q' = exits more.

It is very possible that= you tried this, but your message did not indicate it.

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--000000000000e73781060ce64676-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 00:52:14 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Svw512bsnz54JMT for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 00:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-40131.protonmail.ch (mail-40131.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Svw4z71dPz3KTF for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 00:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1703033537; x=1703292737; bh=eXj6XsNwXUHm/D5OJCqHedv7KOpG2DkVsiztwTWZD24=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=kdzNRC9p4kOcmbQwRdRg7gS2ob6qoI+f4LBiFwPGnqvl0rnH/BRQZym2ijH6GqGvV mo7cV0f77e6BGyitcq4DzmHCKKc7aLXcPHpOCNxOkUwWOvVAHD0dC22mR3/sOMQfRU AV+iO9oRRCIROMeSi+S3h0QzK715Rr3CEdNZW1NTlyLmbjqDe3px54+jzl6hOt3Lim FofvC+CWl5pQthgBpcItzbSUYb7E9zdVO1KiW+SxUaHI6JmpoCwtuT6uTLJJT0Q/1X KtOtXo3PpNPvbiz0HyG+smMU7+iV1IYQqKC9XQlwNsjZ84Yr0eE82kiCp2GLstKItq RLPqc2WTRsNsg== Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 00:52:14 +0000 To: Kevin Oberman From: Jonathan Adams Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch hanging in idle state Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------06837505189236bff14266089c27428f52f845fbb31dd557e2a2d9b20c8097c3"; charset=utf-8 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Svw4z71dPz3KTF This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------06837505189236bff14266089c27428f52f845fbb31dd557e2a2d9b20c8097c3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------2c6fcc23ea7621f0e27f3b67bcf6b80a -----------------------2c6fcc23ea7621f0e27f3b67bcf6b80a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Tuesday, December 19th, 2023 at 7:43 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > At the point where "(END)" printd, you should have been in your pager, p= robably more(8). 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Here is the list of the bounced messages:

-- Doug

--Apple-Mail=_F9DE659C-3E91-4009-A93A-BE652AAD11C2-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 04:36:36 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw13s6hGDz54p3h for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:36:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com [129.213.214.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sw13q4mfKz4PPM for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=peak.org header.s=synacor-nrtc header.b=EyBDv49f; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 129.213.214.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=peak.org; s=synacor-nrtc; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@peak.org; t=1703046998; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mvnrAsqXkD+9h2lX/9vgqF1JMU0=; b=EyBDv49fBcc3qDDd2FR216P/nYwgJy0iVmE7m9JJn/aPKWetx1y2Q2Absbu+r+ey aj8O4zj2B86T3CFGmObt6+gPCIDjJRlL7Qmkd5KbvIgku8CVFSF7ksM1OgO87r6S YobTqS8h1ubo61EY/1XuAEyviumkpfKK9/60vsSpgxVmMpoQ124MtgmGtaIWDkqz Sy9+HJF5OZQwnRctGDHRzIFeGEdyaEPp7HFOsCsZTCAwyhgbnpizUUcV8cZzF3Fr VBi4u0JeSRAIvGeD62hqkob6vTR7LNDf5Rt+z5bQ5bwxw8WTEN9t+F9q6C78bnty xx8W6By9KHWlNwmxvbxZcw==; X-Authed-Username: Y2FybGpAcGVhay5vcmc= Received: from [199.58.99.88] ([199.58.99.88:31708] helo=bay.localnet) by mail.peak.org (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.1.20033 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.1.0^0)) with ESMTPA id D3/FC-04433-65F62856; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 23:36:38 -0500 Received: from carlj by bay.localnet with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rFoJw-000GiY-0q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:36:36 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Message flood In-Reply-To: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> (Doug Hardie's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2023 19:51:22 -0800") References: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:36:36 -0800 Message-ID: <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrvdduuddgjeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedt X-Vade-Analysis-5: hffgudeffeffvdehgfektdehuedukedtlefggfdvtedvgeefudefieefvdeufeenucfkphepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-6: heekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-7: heekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhhotggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhl X-Vade-Analysis-8: jhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggv X-Vade-Analysis-9: sghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhptddurdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhs X-Vade-Analysis-10: hihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddpihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghr X-Vade-Analysis-11: pegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[peak.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:129.213.214.220]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[129.213.214.220:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[peak.org:s=synacor-nrtc]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:129.213.208.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[129.213.214.220:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[peak.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sw13q4mfKz4PPM X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Doug Hardie writes: > in the last 2 hours I have received 25 of these messages. I have no > idea what is going on since there is no list of bounced messages. > > > > Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the > > mailing list. > > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your > information. > > Here is the list of the bounced messages: I am having the exact same messages, except that I have gotten about 150 of them in the last 13 hours. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From nobody Wed Dec 20 04:44:49 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw1FJ30vMz54qJW for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com [129.213.214.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sw1FH646Lz4Vpl for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=peak.org header.s=synacor-nrtc header.b=Cnqi1loX; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 129.213.214.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=peak.org; s=synacor-nrtc; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@peak.org; t=1703047491; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=7HBegrk9Dn07NVbLcrLiShP+gbA=; b=Cnqi1loXaZPcSuJwPWiGzcR6MLBC6YvxLUDjBDiet0/3FlEx592bUXVAdaJSzHzk AM/lgFG+7/p7Eycg4udQo87ecCC3S0k8uZ5CrWXCKAMpVZ8QdaT9C2afzwiJ0oNr jN4u9wqPEPkwrTX5JBO9t4qOYLbYs/7eHqWamDcBYLOfoZR57FZPNetGWb76yrA1 mhznQt9jioy/Gf9EhKNWYGdDXs0QTGqmTewc2uCAllkl+aOvpszYqvpJzmNwfT1W oDrdN7LqqYfx5F9d/8NY5ok9Xj7k9MWU+8JhiW2ctZLRDeVIJa1OEkkSR3EkqFj6 8/B5YfYOVKw0QbENqO3uVw==; X-Authed-Username: Y2FybGpAcGVhay5vcmc= Received: from [199.58.99.88] ([199.58.99.88:28912] helo=bay.localnet) by mail.peak.org (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.1.20033 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.1.0^0)) with ESMTPA id E2/F2-31940-34172856; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 23:44:51 -0500 Received: from carlj by bay.localnet with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rFoRt-000Gj1-25 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:44:49 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Message flood In-Reply-To: <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> (Carl Johnson's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:36:36 -0800") References: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:44:49 -0800 Message-ID: <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrvdduuddgjeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedt X-Vade-Analysis-5: hffgudeffeffvdehgfektdehuedukedtlefggfdvtedvgeefudefieefvdeufeenucfkphepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-6: heekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-7: heekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhhotggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhl X-Vade-Analysis-8: jhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggv X-Vade-Analysis-9: sghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhptddvrdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhs X-Vade-Analysis-10: hihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddpihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghr X-Vade-Analysis-11: pegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[peak.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:129.213.214.220]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[129.213.214.220:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[peak.org:s=synacor-nrtc]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:129.213.208.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[129.213.214.220:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[peak.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sw1FH646Lz4Vpl X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Carl Johnson writes: > Doug Hardie writes: > >> in the last 2 hours I have received 25 of these messages. I have no >> idea what is going on since there is no list of bounced messages. >> >> >> >> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the > >> mailing list. >> >> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >> information. >> >> Here is the list of the bounced messages: > > I am having the exact same messages, except that I have gotten about 150 > of them in the last 13 hours. Oops, mine are actually from freebsd.arm instead of freebsd.question, but they are otherwise exactly the same. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From nobody Wed Dec 20 05:23:56 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw26c3x3nz54vl2 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 05:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw26c1Dpwz4QP5 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 05:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Sw26b17Mvz2fjVX; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:24:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Message flood From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:23:56 -0800 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <32EF5F5B-A7CB-4EC3-BE91-12BE68DB68F7@sermon-archive.info> References: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> To: Carl Johnson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sw26c1Dpwz4QP5 > On Dec 19, 2023, at 20:44, Carl Johnson wrote: >=20 > Carl Johnson writes: >=20 >> Doug Hardie writes: >>=20 >>> in the last 2 hours I have received 25 of these messages. I have no >>> idea what is going on since there is no list of bounced messages. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the = > >>> mailing list. >>>=20 >>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >>> information. >>>=20 >>> Here is the list of the bounced messages: >>=20 >> I am having the exact same messages, except that I have gotten about = 150 >> of them in the last 13 hours. >=20 > Oops, mine are actually from freebsd.arm instead of freebsd.question, > but they are otherwise exactly the same. They seem to have stopped. I haven't seen any in the last hour. -- Doug From nobody Wed Dec 20 05:25:32 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw28R3NRdz54wHF for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 05:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sw28R1MBZz4TR1 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 05:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Sw28Q3X70z2fjwY; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:25:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Message flood From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:25:32 -0800 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <297DBE1E-D95A-489B-A8A6-CE9404C232B6@sermon-archive.info> References: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> To: Carl Johnson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.0 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sw28R1MBZz4TR1 > On Dec 19, 2023, at 20:44, Carl Johnson wrote: >=20 > Carl Johnson writes: >=20 >> Doug Hardie writes: >>=20 >>> in the last 2 hours I have received 25 of these messages. I have no >>> idea what is going on since there is no list of bounced messages. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the = > >>> mailing list. >>>=20 >>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >>> information. >>>=20 >>> Here is the list of the bounced messages: >>=20 >> I am having the exact same messages, except that I have gotten about = 150 >> of them in the last 13 hours. >=20 > Oops, mine are actually from freebsd.arm instead of freebsd.question, > but they are otherwise exactly the same. They seem to have stopped. I haven't seen any in the last hour. Of course, after sending this, I got another bunch. -- Doug From nobody Wed Dec 20 16:02:37 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SwJHK25TXz5564b for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SwJHJ3whmz4hvF for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk; dmarc=none Received: from [192.168.1.178] (host81-132-21-238.range81-132.btcentralplus.com [81.132.21.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 3BKG20hO053937 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:02:36 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:02:37 +0000 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird From: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: pkg killed on FreeBSD upgrade to 14 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <1ba6fb31-9a43-47fa-aa0e-721e179c7317@fjl.co.uk> <44c6cc8d-0da5-4f62-b5ee-3a28b5b07800@nomadlogic.org> Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <44c6cc8d-0da5-4f62-b5ee-3a28b5b07800@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.83)[-0.829]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SwJHJ3whmz4hvF X-Spamd-Bar: -- On 08/12/2023 22:46, Pete Wright wrote: > The docs may need to be clarified around this, but the standard > operating procedure IMHO is after you've updated your kernel and > userland with a new major version the first step is to "pkg-static > upgrade" which should make sure all of the correct libraries for pkg > are in place. Thanks - either I missed it in the manual or, as you say, probably needs to be added. From nobody Wed Dec 20 16:43:09 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SwKB92SvXz5580N for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com (mail.nrtc.syn-alias.com [129.213.214.220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SwKB83RCBz4mgJ for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=peak.org header.s=synacor-nrtc header.b=ky99LZ71; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 129.213.214.220 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=peak.org; s=synacor-nrtc; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@peak.org; t=1703090591; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=wzKQSKAB+AQ3uLfCRlbY6pOXgv8=; b=ky99LZ71WwtoWBZSI1FXB/kaFsSPGSalWVnO+t0jzy+VEkQJiydZfUPS+8f+U3Nq +ZRlieN9mnmY7bMAwmQClAndpDY6+jKa46UGwS8aOGhxX5zI+S8s+2Lc4lP6Cjeb Vw0YLgGYdDw7KedxaOLMXVFPRM3AnRLQCab//InOZDm5jPYGOSqJo1zvzBYMATIm 3049Yg9YICYBZz0xElTXoFW2oznsJet2YEr3R4VLlrQ9kkmDiNrceToi4JqD+u9r pnlg0M+8KkFOPgRpapMRp8lLcB073j4jrOxzv9yF2fsboU7vM2tFG7W+dSKVEogJ N//Xdd3zjqmKGgqWYFZS0w==; X-Authed-Username: Y2FybGpAcGVhay5vcmc= Received: from [199.58.99.88] ([199.58.99.88:32728] helo=bay.localnet) by mail.peak.org (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 4.4.1.20033 r(msys-ecelerity:tags/4.4.1.0^0)) with ESMTPA id 44/CE-25630-F9913856; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:43:11 -0500 Received: from carlj by bay.localnet with local (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rFzf3-000HY0-2H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:43:09 -0800 From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Message flood In-Reply-To: <297DBE1E-D95A-489B-A8A6-CE9404C232B6@sermon-archive.info> (Doug Hardie's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:25:32 -0800") References: <666A9BAF-5BB3-417B-B3CA-212FAE66D774@sermon-archive.info> <86ttodv6az.fsf@bay.localnet> <86plz1v5xa.fsf@bay.localnet> <297DBE1E-D95A-489B-A8A6-CE9404C232B6@sermon-archive.info> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:43:09 -0800 Message-ID: <86frzwvn8i.fsf@bay.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Vade-Verdict: clean X-Vade-Analysis-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrvdduvddgledvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhho X-Vade-Analysis-2: fhhilhgvmecuufgjpfetvefqtfdppfftvfevpdfgpfggqdfptffvvedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhht X-Vade-Analysis-3: mecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvffujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvegr X-Vade-Analysis-4: rhhlucflohhhnhhsohhnuceotggrrhhljhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedt X-Vade-Analysis-5: hffgudeffeffvdehgfektdehuedukedtlefggfdvtedvgeefudefieefvdeufeenucfkphepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-6: heekrdelledrkeeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepudelledr X-Vade-Analysis-7: heekrdelledrkeekpdhhvghlohepsggrhidrlhhotggrlhhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptggrrhhl X-Vade-Analysis-8: jhesphgvrghkrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggv X-Vade-Analysis-9: sghsugdrohhrghdpmhhtrghhohhsthepshhmthhptdefrdhnrhhttgdrvghmrghilhdqrghshhdurdhs X-Vade-Analysis-10: hihntgdrlhgrnhdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepuddpihhspghnrgepthhruhgvpdgruhhthhgpuhhsvghr X-Vade-Analysis-11: pegtrghrlhhjsehpvggrkhdrohhrgh X-Vade-Client: NRTC X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[peak.org:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:129.213.214.220]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[129.213.214.220:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[peak.org:s=synacor-nrtc]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31898, ipnet:129.213.208.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[129.213.214.220:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[peak.org:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SwKB83RCBz4mgJ X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Doug Hardie writes: >> On Dec 19, 2023, at 20:44, Carl Johnson wrote: >> >> Carl Johnson writes: >> >>> Doug Hardie writes: >>> >>>> in the last 2 hours I have received 25 of these messages. I have no >>>> idea what is going on since there is no list of bounced messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, this is the Mlmmj program managing the >>>> >>> > >>>> mailing list. >>>> >>>> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this >>>> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your >>>> information. >>>> >>>> Here is the list of the bounced messages: >>> >>> I am having the exact same messages, except that I have gotten about 150 >>> of them in the last 13 hours. >> >> Oops, mine are actually from freebsd.arm instead of freebsd.question, >> but they are otherwise exactly the same. > > They seem to have stopped. I haven't seen any in the last hour. > > Of course, after sending this, I got another bunch. Mine also stopped a few hours ago, but the last one listed 2 messages. This reply might start start another flood as yours did. -- Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From nobody Thu Dec 21 09:56:33 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Swm6Z2PCvz54bhY for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tml@seiruote.it) Received: from smtpcmd10110.aruba.it (smtpcmd10110.aruba.it [62.149.156.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Swm6X35zXz3Vv4 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tml@seiruote.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=aruba.it header.s=a1 header.b="RV0SC6d/"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tml@seiruote.it designates 62.149.156.110 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tml@seiruote.it; dmarc=none Received: from seiruote.it ([10.10.9.173]) by Aruba Outgoing Smtp with ESMTPA id GFn7rVbuF0S9MGFn7rHpMO; Thu, 21 Dec 2023 10:56:33 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=aruba.it; s=a1; t=1703152593; bh=5h1+vX5hS2B35G0Hu+pz0wxdWMgIKBxhCo7NuZQYBAM=; h=Date:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:From:To; b=RV0SC6d/bqcYXK0Lh8VQrU1t8/7ZZQrwlh/y4nnv6Ud+WNedEzXCgLWeeDWu3rBMQ Wg+W7TpL6o1Jvz/9DVuzAZbPBF5xUFXlgkFg16TNivxzCyVhG6SYTnaYPJojAV5Tyd Nsr2BKSyf/4C1aAygt2V1CTuwwOzqw+Fzz8kj0ihpzx2eT1YayyPnTnj4Fpcrclv2T E0p9HILtv0XiE9SFc9TzA2ktaSDTB9+Rn2+PJBdtEPnKDiEndhrKIwD/N4JdF75abO GqTXOeHlIy8wMBIHj9hD6Eu+W8SB6j3vbC3fvqtWN/RTIZPlGj/ICxtIHqAp8r39Hk uu4SKX8ShDjZg== Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 10:56:33 +0100 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?=3CVrwJOGIHsU8bZ1LUp7cIysp9=5FGa3X81RwZ=5FreHJ=5FAHMxh?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Ymwgj8Ar=2Dzzr3pLcCJ0RNaCwL2wMz0oHHrvtoPRr=5FUPBEL8ORs?= =?iso-8859-1?q?uDygdq=2DPpNLk=3D=40protonmail=2Ecom=3E?= References: =?iso-8859-1?q?=3CVrwJOGIHsU8bZ1LUp7cIysp9=5FGa3X81RwZ=5FreHJ=5FAHMxh?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Ymwgj8Ar=2Dzzr3pLcCJ0RNaCwL2wMz0oHHrvtoPRr=5FUPBEL8ORs?= =?iso-8859-1?q?uDygdq=2DPpNLk=3D=40protonmail=2Ecom=3E?= Subject: =?utf-8?b?UmU6IlRoZSBpbnN0YWxsZWQgbG9hZGVyIGlzIGEgYmluYXJ5LCBub3Qg?= =?utf-8?b?YSBmaWxlc3lzdGVtLCBzbyBldmVuIG1pbm9yIGNoYW5nZXMgcmVxdWly?= =?utf-8?b?ZSByZWNvbXBpbGluZy4iIC1HZW9yZ2UgVy4gTHVjYXMgaW4gQWJzb2x1?= =?utf-8?b?dGUgZkJTRA==?= List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1703152593.2A.480421.42.204202.52.42.007.1252772536" Reply-To: tml@seiruote.it From: tml@seiruote.it To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.2.94 X-TipoRicevuta: completa X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 2.228.92.132 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfCajMKmoO3Rwm7kRhTS0biS3ENZy1eRsPJ1ZAAR4REvKyn7GiO6qHkeu3Fjl6s+ythM18e0TEGgPNaR0u6DRiT7PXBldoL9PJ9lCxbA0RD1a/0o76XBS yEmCfqh2lc3AG3M8oPZ0FkZY0Vw1ZdZItOpoCHeKK2eBppP8FG9T46n71C4FbvctVSbLR8Rf19nHHQ== X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.90 / 15.00]; SUBJ_EXCESS_BASE64(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.149.156.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aruba.it:s=a1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seiruote.it]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[62.149.156.110:from]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[tml@seiruote.it]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[aruba.it:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aruba.it:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31034, ipnet:62.149.128.0/19, country:IT]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[62.149.156.110:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Swm6X35zXz3Vv4 X-Spamd-Bar: - --_=__=_XaM3_.1703152593.2A.480421.42.204202.52.42.007.1252772536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A Hi,=0A=0A I think MWL was trying to keep things simple (thanks...= ) but, at the same time, he forewarned readers: loader is a binary, when = you mess with bios-booting you must rebuild it.=0A=0A What's missing he= re is a *footnote*, saying something about how that thing is able to ruin= your day, biting your leg "at a very inconvenient time" (cit.).=0A=0A = Have fun,=0A=0A f=0A=0A Il giorno 18/12/2023 Jop ha scritto:=0A Hel= lo everyone,=0A I have just begun my journey into FreeBSD using George = W. Lucas' Absolute FreeBSD 3rd edition. My question is about chapter 4 St= art Me Up! The Boot Process, page 51.=0A I was befuddled by a statement= he made, likely due to my IT nescience.=0A To my confusion, Lucas stat= es:=0A=0A > A BIOS has all sorts of limitations. The boot loader must= reside in a very specific section of the disk. BIOS can=E2=80=99t boot f= rom disks larger than 2.2TB. The target boot loader must be smaller than = 512KB=E2=80=94huge by 1980=0A=0A >standards, yes, but paltry today. :::= =E2=80=8BThe installed loader is a binary, not a filesystem, so even mino= r changes require recompiling :::.=0A --_=__=_XaM3_.1703152593.2A.480421.42.204202.52.42.007.1252772536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

I think MWL was trying to keep thing= s simple (thanks...) but, at the same time, he forewarned readers: loader= is a binary, when you mess with bios-booting you must rebuild it.
<= div>What's missing here is a *footnote*, saying something about how that = thing is able to ruin your day, biting your leg "at a very inconveni= ent time" (cit.).

Have fun,
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Il giorno 18/12/2023 Jop ha scritto:
Hello everyone,

I have just begun my journey int= o FreeBSD using George W. Lucas' Absolute FreeBSD 3rd edition.<= /i>=C2=A0My question is about chapter 4 Start Me Up! The Boot P= rocess,=C2=A0page 51.
I was befuddled by a statement he made, li= kely due to my IT nescience.
To my confusion, Lucas states:=C2=A0

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>=C2=A0A BIOS has all sorts of limitations. The boot lo= ader must reside in a=C2=A0very specific section of the disk. BIOS= can=E2=80=99t boot from disks larger than 2.2TB. The target boot loader = must be smaller than 512KB=E2=80=94huge by 1980
>standards, yes, b= ut paltry today. :::=E2=80=8BThe installed loader is a binary, = not a filesystem, so even minor changes require recompiling :::.=C2=A0

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I installed mariadb 10.6 no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I start the message is: Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously missing something? If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe --defaults-extra-file=/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=mysql --datadir=/var/db/mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am missing something? Any ideas? 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I installed mariadb 10.6 > no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I > start the message is: > > Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > > OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x > > service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never > starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously > missing something? > > If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT > '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! > > /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe > --defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql > --datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid > Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf > Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted > > OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: > > Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > > So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am > missing something? Any ideas? > > TIA and HH > > -- > Waitman Gobble > \\ > > Try a symlink that takes /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and points it to /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf ~Paul --=20 __________________ :(){ :|:& };: --000000000000b2fdbc060d231c39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 8:13=E2=80=AF= PM Waitman Gobble <gobble.wa@gmai= l.com> wrote:
I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE to FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE<= br>
During pkg upgrade it removed mariadb 10.4. I installed mariadb 10.6
no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I
start the message is:

Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with
/usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf

OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x

service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never
starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously
missing something?

If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT
'/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally= !

/usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe
--defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql
--datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid
Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf
Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted

OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message:

Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with
/usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf

So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am missing something? Any ideas?

TIA and HH

--
Waitman Gobble
\\


Try a symlink that takes /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and points it to /usr/local= /etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf

~Paul
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I installed mariadb 10.6 >> no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I >> start the message is: >> >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf >> >> OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x >> >> service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never >> starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously >> missing something? >> >> If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT >> '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! >> >> /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe >> --defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql >> --datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid >> Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf >> Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted >> >> OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: >> >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf >> >> So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am >> missing something? Any ideas? >> >> TIA and HH >> >> -- >> Waitman Gobble >> \\ >> > > Try a symlink that takes /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and points it to /usr/loca= l/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > > ~Paul > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: oh, will that satisfy the -f check in the rc file? (ie it won't start if the file exists). I'm not sure if that will ignore symlinks but i will check it out. mysql_prestart() { local dir for dir in /etc /usr/local/etc /etc/mysql /var/db/mysql; do if [ -f "${dir}/my.cnf" ]; then echo "Please merge existing ${dir}/my.cnf file with /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf" # return 1 fi done commenting out return 1 solves it for me. starts and runs just fine. But i'm sure other people are using it and upgraded. 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I have had this problem a few times. Does mysqld_safe run? The couple of issues I have had deal with the pid file being where the RC script doesn't expect it so stop/start/status don't work. Also, the ib* files in /var/db/mysql are often an issue. The logs usually point them out. On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 5:13=E2=80=AFPM Waitman Gobble wrote: > I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE to FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE > > During pkg upgrade it removed mariadb 10.4. I installed mariadb 10.6 > no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I > start the message is: > > Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > > OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x > > service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never > starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously > missing something? > > If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT > '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! > > /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe > --defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql > --datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid > Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf > Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted > > OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: > > Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > > So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am > missing something? Any ideas? > > TIA and HH > > -- > Waitman Gobble > \\ > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000c26c48060d233164 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
editing the RC script seems like the=C2=A0wrong answer. I = have had this problem a few times. Does mysqld_safe run? The couple of issu= es=C2=A0I have had deal with the pid file being where the RC script doesn&#= 39;t expect it so stop/start/status don't work. Also, the ib* files in = /var/db/mysql are often an issue. The logs usually=C2=A0point them out.=C2= =A0

On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 5:13=E2=80=AFPM Waitman Gobble <gobble.wa@gmail.com> wrote:
I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE to FreeBSD 14.0-R= ELEASE

During pkg upgrade it removed mariadb 10.4. I installed mariadb 10.6
no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I
start the message is:

Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with
/usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf

OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x

service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never
starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously
missing something?

If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT
'/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally= !

/usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe
--defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql
--datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid
Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf
Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted

OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message:

Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with
/usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf

So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am missing something? Any ideas?

TIA and HH

--
Waitman Gobble
\\



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--000000000000c26c48060d233164-- From nobody Sat Dec 23 01:34:07 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sxmt61v7rz54llx for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x1032.google.com (mail-pj1-x1032.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1032]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sxmt5190jz4sKs for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=KeL0hao5; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gobble.wa@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1032 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gobble.wa@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-pj1-x1032.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-28bc870c540so1826069a91.2 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:34:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703295259; x=1703900059; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Ty7g2zyZqWNjfZjTh+KgpaET45ffwQTFs+tM1EzsLUY=; b=KeL0hao59EdSs36pTQoTD3bn70GNsYiIfbu1g4FTvgy/FB3SkIZpwZMi9A/6EVf0eA +buyoNz2tUBHbXCX1xPD/U3D/bx3B8/8GsjG6KJZs4r9LOphQMvVkngFYo3C5A5r6HGU nmuxAedPtof2gqUJmtDoWxAY4BT4h+MJNgsrN9qlg4yKTRXDgd5v3ar+bfSM2T4IQTnp RkvcJUPDegIrO9+636KYBCaKrUvlS1MpZjD7JdzQKyvG6LwkQeBW1Oz3lk59i00JfYKa T4LhH8LoAZzL9GeN0n5K3/lAFKLsMxD9+Occ/2MTZmfjLCMt0lyPk5xhTUpooMPqmQx5 uu8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703295259; x=1703900059; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Ty7g2zyZqWNjfZjTh+KgpaET45ffwQTFs+tM1EzsLUY=; b=lihlM0swhBAEhoDpvlZEcOXxNrMeAHqYY3VamyErJo1uDCIFh+pkHT0WMQ01eLjz74 miVubjM+reU51XJSSO81TlMpCYiyjr9ZfKvBnq0GclJqr3K7cT2iIl7AgGmSeDNjVIKd NKWJ/mcS9MKo3Fk9hIGobjYVP8au3DVEQjAMzC6l0EtsdOXDUhF2VPbnAtXTEddKEYj2 adHvkzu1zTqtuFqPnycrh8w7MYQe6JCTHjX+AM88SN+lU4f0vYeeNSKal2/V7HdR0PMD qoH79a41LZiAHwls+VvsqQpFnQLzR0+/Xv/b57m7IFBYAzOaGa383R8we+cRlx+XnnXg fCTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw06hDFyF/riHpMPgYl3r5CMXg0AK4ZkNU6DsG0or/XUnfv+ic3 Ef3KUB7vYN8Xy/q6Ix8QVyGcGOXVJSObTdRm1CjTap/UdXo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEN92Z+/7zNf6VOF3nJqgFGGijyIwzPKe6Wub/FUNKPML8hRTR5bttAjGmX/V0tWTTHXHb/zpFj+GxMi+L946o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:6007:b0:28c:20d4:3c60 with SMTP id y7-20020a17090a600700b0028c20d43c60mr540287pji.99.1703295259129; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:34:19 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 21:34:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MariaDB startup issue To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1032:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sxmt5190jz4sKs X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:24=E2=80=AFPM paul beard wr= ote: > > editing the RC script seems like the wrong answer. I have had this proble= m a few times. Does mysqld_safe run? The couple of issues I have had deal w= ith the pid file being where the RC script doesn't expect it so stop/start/= status don't work. Also, the ib* files in /var/db/mysql are often an issue.= The logs usually point them out. > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 5:13=E2=80=AFPM Waitman Gobble wrote: >> >> I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE to FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE >> >> During pkg upgrade it removed mariadb 10.4. I installed mariadb 10.6 >> no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I >> start the message is: >> >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf >> >> OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x >> >> service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never >> starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously >> missing something? >> >> If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT >> '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! >> >> /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe >> --defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql >> --datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid >> Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf >> Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted >> >> OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: >> >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf >> >> So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am >> missing something? Any ideas? >> >> TIA and HH >> >> -- >> Waitman Gobble >> \\ >> > > > -- > Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ I agree it's the wrong answer. mysqld_safe runs no problem, the problem is the rc script bombs if the my.cnf exists but mysqld_safe seems like it won't start without it. But I read the documentation and the symlink method should work, because -f returns true on normal files (not symlinks) while -e returns true regardless. (the script uses -f) As long as mysqld_safe is cool with the symlink it should start! That's likely the best solution instead of editing the rc file. :) --=20 Waitman Gobble // From nobody Sat Dec 23 01:41:54 2023 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Sxn346Sg5z54m8J for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa1-x35.google.com (mail-oa1-x35.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Sxn340Gn1z4vkk for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=EdPs+kmi; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gobble.wa@gmail.com designates 2001:4860:4864:20::35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gobble.wa@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-oa1-x35.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2041c292da8so1455007fac.3 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703295726; x=1703900526; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=oEgnCIPnOiQsWdIprtX1fmCqnhAT1akpKfXbLu78G9s=; b=EdPs+kmiWpk9/tsSMdTM4m1c9sOETKAnhixJM0YOANosPanU2V6+SVUlBBkzCcR4zO HBvfHtfu1obPxTeWemLvEptPFeRyACJg3TEPv1LncmRb8p+2Cwm7CctynQIbonxUwKdT kq90kz21bUa6qlY7EE9v0i5eniExITRWzq3h0ZY3ZBBigWEpQOt1632ZgON44IUmP4PK CDCOowxUPPTV/c5z8Kxc47xiyWRD+IofoUZz0tzS09xrlpYhQFuhupWpvaLyhuld/8Dh YZfR5dbO0b7iJGhr6Bc8mIblvjJiJCRW6CeZW54rDL8UUeCezlwkQyTUwQ5Dl9nFci/A rtMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703295726; x=1703900526; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oEgnCIPnOiQsWdIprtX1fmCqnhAT1akpKfXbLu78G9s=; b=MzJEdMMG+XrnPbNnqb4j0hTnnXnLqGqyDd4k33KMd/PuzthJjyApeKj/RtZEpemn3U aSj+eo85nivVGHPofim23lVCtOkgszu5WGSVURfo5ZS6jG8RLk9aBNnDZng5ClUrTmM5 n0DgqXpC4NCucC435Q7dHDQmdLKf7X9nGI2+8Rz8wxvDavKF1BBFq4fuKaCUC5K7AoLn 5WIKmCT2hpmv4l6NKHbfDop3OHig9nuBbc1umoLR7ySXiVUyKmga69Sgna9mD4GCZXr+ v5KDZoKJ0Nx0i2XeoEDBcABOJ18ZxAccvuVR9WPS29tYcfj8UZ8KYpcxt8++Ky1lPa0Z wupQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwdJWp1k6beHrWL+7x8F0dzRz+lhOjVyIUb3bodV4CQohpYIdP4 5v1t5BM4KDgItegIClG+Rc5jOnP8jdf3HnPQ6dney0g+gZLj+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHdLOatMkNQPWM84vpxRPSf821O2lsf6wFujfrVIIHVIh7Wu7MqVZPlv5bDj6N2p2+fuEr67oY0L8BbzQOeJb4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:494:b0:204:19c6:71bf with SMTP id f20-20020a056871049400b0020419c671bfmr1873392oaj.91.1703295726217; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:42:06 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 21:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MariaDB startup issue To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:4860:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2001:4860:4864::/48, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2001:4860:4864:20::35:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Sxn340Gn1z4vkk X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:34=E2=80=AFPM Waitman Gobble wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 9:24=E2=80=AFPM paul beard = wrote: > > > > editing the RC script seems like the wrong answer. I have had this prob= lem a few times. Does mysqld_safe run? The couple of issues I have had deal= with the pid file being where the RC script doesn't expect it so stop/star= t/status don't work. Also, the ib* files in /var/db/mysql are often an issu= e. The logs usually point them out. > > > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 5:13=E2=80=AFPM Waitman Gobble wrote: > >> > >> I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE to FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE > >> > >> During pkg upgrade it removed mariadb 10.4. I installed mariadb 10.6 > >> no biggie. Except I seem to be in a chicken and egg paradox. When I > >> start the message is: > >> > >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > >> > >> OK I did that. I renamed the file to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf.x > >> > >> service mysql-server start says it's starting but actually never > >> starts the server. no error in the logs I can find. I'm obviously > >> missing something? > >> > >> If I use the same command the rc script is executing (WITHOUT > >> '/usr/sbin/daemon' that the rc script uses) I see the error finally! > >> > >> /usr/local/bin/mariadbd-safe > >> --defaults-extra-file=3D/usr/local/etc/my.cnf --user=3Dmysql > >> --datadir=3D/var/db/mysql --pid-file=3D/var/db/mysql/mysql.pid > >> Could not open required defaults file: /usr/local/etc/my.cnf > >> Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted > >> > >> OK so i made a blank /usr/local/etc/my.cnf and get this message: > >> > >> Please merge existing /usr/local/etc/my.cnf file with > >> /usr/local/etc/mysql/conf.d/server.cnf > >> > >> So it's a loop. I guess I need to edit the rc script but i think i am > >> missing something? Any ideas? > >> > >> TIA and HH > >> > >> -- > >> Waitman Gobble > >> \\ > >> > > > > > > -- > > Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ > > I agree it's the wrong answer. mysqld_safe runs no problem, the > problem is the rc script bombs if the my.cnf exists but mysqld_safe > seems like it won't start without it. > > But I read the documentation and the symlink method should work, > because -f returns true on normal files (not symlinks) while -e > returns true regardless. (the script uses -f) > As long as mysqld_safe is cool with the symlink it should start! > That's likely the best solution instead of editing the rc file. :) > > -- > Waitman Gobble > // Apparently -f also returns true on symlinks so i'll just sit down and shut = up :) Supposedly -f returns true on 'normal' files and '-e' returns true on normal files and links. I guess. # ls -lh my.cnf lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11B Dec 22 21:36 my.cnf -> real-my.cnf --=20 Waitman Gobble //