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ARC is not limited and seems to try and take the max possible.  Any ideas what might be going on ? 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[My notes below are not specific to releng/14.0 or to stable/14 .] What do you have for ( copied from my /boot/loader.conf ): # # Delay when persistent low free RAM leads to # Out Of Memory killing of processes: vm.pageout_oom_seq=120 The default is 12 (last I knew, anyway). The 120 figure has allowed me and others to do buildworld, buildkernel, and poudriere bulk runs on small arm boards using all cores that otherwise got "failed to reclaim memory" (to use the modern, improved [not misleading] message text). (The units for the 120 are not time units: more like a number of (re)tries to gain at least a target amount of Free RAM before failure handling starts. The comment wording is based on a consequence of the assignment.) The 120 is not a maximum, just a figure that has proved useful in various contexts. Notes: "failed to reclaim memory" can happen even with swap space enabled but no swap in use: sufficiently active pages are just not paged out to swap space. There are some other parameters of possible use for some other modern "was killed" reason texts. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Nov 15 02:27:01 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVRrS6371z50W3s; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 02:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVRrS5bgfz4TdJ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 02:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700015224; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vgxJumFBFtGigime4v/APx4P69gUEZz1URaSzAGBz50=; b=nQzcZRhwXL3+LKini3ajwH8oX4hIxTnTVcPiKIeW9vZlgQXcOasFuTN5Cgukw/D048CCMF HFbfshDpYiczX6VceguBpqDiXV3wQf8QfEV3R2OqpPT3VyZve6+kwN2oVrtOGPcokNnaQS 0MUlyd/t4dx7abCV1U/1z4npAD+4VFA77suFt9DSnEJ8nogbMehZiMHucKYBQZ86fvzzb3 rSNWTuOQXurdPliWkffXhFtrCv6otbSj/ZTqv+oDx05vhg2UuEmr8IFsrKTz0q9ReE15Hr Tl9PCJCctk6HhDa75SAmoDHbsRYGNeA6amFfgVG7mBT+FK8l6x3K83r8OizTEQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700015224; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=vgxJumFBFtGigime4v/APx4P69gUEZz1URaSzAGBz50=; b=e9hGV2++KbbuSAq+nFS89b3CanIbJM7PN6KJdAIa4FyW6ukYoLAubpPju/m5sJzk5n83p6 vxSn+3d4gsz5HK+EjVK0uF5nJx4pgX/iLTwZhOUIKJm2neSW7UC5ei8xrVSbok7SW0risU 4Xb5UZGvvM5zSbfkRWxuIqiT9VjIIFbPJV17EsRFEonquYvBtHkzWaGDIXBZbXvHqNCWLS 9CP+Hhsusyu9Ieeu5AytvRgtqIKXKEnhk2lyG3Gm4rBy4Qdk1Gh+qTPUn5P5Ry3n6t5j2O CkpjFufOrlu2OZGewfSsEyUuGWdMOhOmaFQc/w9lMdwAb4qUJSDOYyHuXH8Svw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700015224; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ADDngzQey8GD/8EgHdPUmsTmtPbYsknWvzSmqv+UpUa2LeUSuqfRAsxh0pzVdaoAnN1+lU sOqK0/geP29niCzEXoNHy2liOr3ZCOrP0SWI0XT2tOVplcGoMocns2lLJ65dwlVnJyalwJ cH8mq2MBr5ftpjjRybAcKe3Hiaekt5WHNfhP/cr7HHOlSx7h0m2AYTtoDMoeHfZccdtQb0 OySwnQ6nqDIhgA04r1Mcjm6O+rJ0U5i8eU1JBy1YVnUhoX8vV+ArPSV7lUSG75CDYX9qVW hcp06D1LU6IE93r/Fn5iosXarTfidpy0XTimDq8wdga4/mREQknRgdgDYJBDpQ== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25F8D1300A; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 02:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 02:27:01 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AnoCzHCzU/Mgm7Oo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --AnoCzHCzU/Mgm7Oo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > >=20 > > It should only be another day or so before these things complete. > >=20 > > Thank you for your understanding. > > >=20 > I always just installed my copy. >=20 Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, but"s. 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Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: The Doctor Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OmEpep6L+R/25PJj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --OmEpep6L+R/25PJj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete be= fore > > > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > > > >=20 > > > > It should only be another day or so before these things complete. > > > >=20 > > > > Thank you for your understanding. > > > > > > >=20 > > > I always just installed my copy. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > > but"s. > > >=20 > Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. >=20 > Is that suppose to happen? >=20 That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* the official release announcement has been sent. In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very clear on that. A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. I mean, c'mon, dude. We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more clear than that. So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what you are running is *NOT* official. For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. 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I'm encouraging people to wait, because the presence of the 'installation information' page will be quite critical (we're already seeing problems through people missing an essential step). From nobody Wed Nov 15 07:38:57 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVZmj5Vnwz517vX for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattik@gwsit.com.au) Received: from m4.out4.mxs.au (m4.out4.mxs.au [110.232.143.188]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVZmh36PRz3Wpm for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattik@gwsit.com.au) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au (s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au [103.27.32.38]) by out4.mxs.au (Halon) with ESMTPS (TLSv1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 id 0b7ddf84-838a-11ee-9cb2-00163c87da3f; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:39:01 +1100 (AEDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gwsit.com.au; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wnVD7Efi0UjeRf7Xh57uVKzmlcU7sbw097LAgbl+y7o=; b=SyuZzuHE6i47YJRn9NzrG6oRSX 7gPcP4dqCPfjf2QOTpf2rEl0ZLDuHfy4cjyiblOUwdNAw5opVpwMPpgGGY5HWpquSPaVSWw3fCZiS hoKOXxRFxT16ITc3+rdI5+u+soXp8JT+EmTybKnjnPWW50lAD80a6tL8K5p0rKtsfb8/OcOf+BUMB d5PVQvbWdIaC6i+s03IVgNd3qZIx5POQJHgUsq9NLIsyaWwf4k+bC7Gvyw5+7EjKl14nAb8Y2nX4F 9v06fVXt9WGa1c994XTfqHQImXFII/grANcH0tVbxWmF3De2B85coFm/em6aLriefu+BMJfP6wt3C 2gFEb1sA==; Received: from 180-150-31-87.b4961f.syd.static.aussiebb.net ([180.150.31.87]:52025 helo=ws1.wobblyboot.net) by s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96.2) (envelope-from ) id 1r3AUH-001OGv-1t; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:39:01 +1100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:38:57 +1100 From: matti k To: Glen Barber Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> In-Reply-To: <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gwsit.com.au X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au: authenticated_id: mattik@gwsit.com.au X-Authenticated-Sender: s02ad.syd2.hostingplatform.net.au: mattik@gwsit.com.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:45638, ipnet:110.232.143.0/24, country:AU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVZmh36PRz3Wpm On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 Glen Barber wrote: > > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are > > > never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email > > > is intended for the general public of consumers of official > > > releases, not "yeah, but"s. > > > > That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* > the official release announcement has been sent. > > In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very > clear on that. > > A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. > > I mean, c'mon, dude. > > We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more > clear than that. > > So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what > you are running is *NOT* official. > > For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. Here I have been tracking 14.0 release candidates Reminds me of when slashdot would announce a new release days before it was actually released and then someone would remind them of that I am using an Australian mirror so will probably need to wait an extra day to be on the safe side :-) From nobody Wed Nov 15 08:27:08 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVbr05vRVz519bm; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mail0.glenbarber.us (mail0.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1:2300:1001:1001:1001:face]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail0.glenbarber.us", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVbr05TFKz3bv4; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e94b:905a:c8b8:3487:dbbc:d826]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by mail0.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84129D5DB; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 08:27:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail0.glenbarber.us 84129D5DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule From: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 03:27:08 -0500 Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: <20231115183857.2c728fa5@ws1.wobblyboot.net> To: matti k X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20G81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVbr05TFKz3bv4 Well, today is your yesterday, so we might not be ready for another more tom= orrows your time, yesterdays, my time. Or something. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 2:39 AM, matti k wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Wed, 15 Nov 2023 04:52:31 +0000 > Glen Barber wrote: >=20 >>>> Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are >>>> never official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email >>>> is intended for the general public of consumers of official >>>> releases, not "yeah, but"s. >>>>=20 >=20 >> That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* >> the official release announcement has been sent. >>=20 >> In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very >> clear on that. >>=20 >> A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. >>=20 >> I mean, c'mon, dude. >>=20 >> We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more >> clear than that. >>=20 >> So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what >> you are running is *NOT* official. >>=20 >> For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. >=20 > Here I have been tracking 14.0 release candidates >=20 > Reminds me of when slashdot would announce a new release days before it > was actually released and then someone would remind them of that >=20 > I am using an Australian mirror so will probably 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= I hope this will be of help to revolve this issue
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[root@STING /home/filippo]# lldb --core /home/filippo/iridium.co= re /u           &nbs= p;   sr/local/share/iridium/iridium     =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;           
(lldb= ) target create "/usr/local/share/iridium/iridium" --core "/home  = ;             /= filippo/iridium.core"         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    
bt all        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      
Core file '/home/filippo/iridium.co= re' (x86_64) was loaded.        &nb= sp;            =     
(lldb) bt all      &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =  
warning: This version of LLDB has no plugin for the language "as= sembl           &nbs= p;   er". Inspection of frame variables will be limited. &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;      
warning: This version of LLDB has no = plugin for the language "assembl       &= nbsp;       er". Inspection of frame variable= s will be limited.         &nb= sp;            =            
* thread #= 1, name =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        
  * frame #0: 0x00= 001f3187aa7abc iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    =             65034268=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            
&= nbsp;   frame #1: 0x00001f3187aa752c iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symb= ol4691 +           &= nbsp;    65032844       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     
    frame #2: 0x00001f318610a= f72 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      = ;          38178002  = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;          
  =   frame #3: 0x00001f3186782103 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +&nb= sp;            =    44957283         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;   
    frame #4: 0x00001f318610b30e iridium= `___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +       &nbs= p;        38178926   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        
    fram= e #5: 0x00001f318610dc2b iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  &n= bsp;            = ; 38189451           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;             &= nbsp;
    frame #6: 0x00001f3186109981 iridium`___lldb_un= named_symbol4691 +         &nb= sp;      38172385     &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =        
    frame #7: 0x000= 01f31874698ca iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    &= nbsp;           58488362&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            
&n= bsp;   frame #8: 0x00001f318746adc4 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbo= l4691 +           &n= bsp;    58493732       &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;     
    frame #9: 0x00001f318746ac= 1d iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      =           58493309  =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;          
  &= nbsp; frame #10: 0x00001f3187468fba iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 = ;            &n= bsp;  + 58486042         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  
    frame #11: 0x00001f31874693fa iridium`___l= ldb_unnamed_symbol4691         = ;       + 58487130    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =        
    frame #12: 0x00= 001f3183c575f9 iridium`ChromeMain + 505      =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #13: 0= x00001f39d90f0e1a libc.so.7`__libc_start1(argc=3D<unava   = ;            ilable&= gt;, argv=3D0x00001f39aedddb70, env=3D0x00001f39aedddb80, cleanup=3D<un&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  available>, mainX=3D(iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4582 + 48)) = at libc_           &= nbsp;   start1.c:157:7       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =
    fr= ame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_timedwait_uint  =              (m= tx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>, clockid=3D<unavailab= le>, abstime=3D         &nb= sp;     <unavailable>, shared=3D<unavailable&g= t;) at thr_umtx.c:234:10        &nb= sp;            =       
    frame #2: 0x00001f39a= fad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<un    &n= bsp;          available>, c= lockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavailable>) at thr_kern&nb= sp;            =   .c:197:9 [artificial]        = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;     
    frame #3: 0x00001f39afacd8= ed libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common [inline      =          d] cond_wait_user(cvp=3D0x= 0000230a3dbba680, mp=3D0x0000230a3e00c988, abst    &nbs= p;          ime=3D0x00001f39f2= 3eed18, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11      = ;            &n= bsp;           
 =    frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common(cond= =3D<u           &= nbsp;   navailable>, mutex=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D0x= 00001f39f23eed18, cancel=3D        =        1) at thr_cond.c:378:11  &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;        
    frame = #5: 0x00001f318800e6a9 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  &nbs= p;             = 70697993           &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            &nb= sp;
    frame #6: 0x00001f318802ae79 iridium`___lldb_unna= med_symbol4691 +          = ;      70814681      = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      
    frame #7: 0x00001= f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    &nb= sp;           70386368&nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             
&nbs= p;   frame #8: 0x00001f3187ff4327 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4= 691 +           &nbs= p;    70590599       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    
    frame #9: 0x00001f3187ff4533= iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      &n= bsp;         70591123  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;          
  &nb= sp; frame #10: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  + 70699537         &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;  
    frame #11: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`th= read_start(curthread=3D        &nbs= p;      <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290:1= 6            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;         
  thread #3, = name =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        
    frame #= 0: 0x00001f39d91a4d0a libc.so.7`__sys_kevent at _kevent.S:   = ;            4 =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =        
    frame #1: 0x000= 01f39afadac11 libthr.so.3`__thr_kevent(kq=3D13, chan    = ;           gelist=3D0x00= 00230a3ea08000, nchanges=3D0, eventlist=3D0x0000230a3ea09000,  &n= bsp;            = ; nevents=3D64, timeout=3D0x00001f39f2db3c50) at thr_syscalls.c:398:8 =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #2: 0x= 00001f39bf54ea3e libevent-2.1.so.7`___lldb_unnamed_sy   &nbs= p;           mbol1204 + 8= 46            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       
    frame #3: = 0x00001f39bf542c71 libevent-2.1.so.7`event_base_loop +   &nb= sp;            913&n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     
    frame #4: 0x00001f31880= 2833b iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +     &nb= sp;          70803611 &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =            
 &nbs= p;  frame #5: 0x00001f3187fddae3 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   70498371        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   
    frame #6: 0x00001f3187fa54fd iridi= um`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    
   frame #7: 0x00001f3187ff9a= 78 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      =           70612952  =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;          
  &= nbsp; frame #8: 0x00001f3187fe7ccc iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  70539820         &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   
    frame #9: 0x00001f3187ff9c04 iridium`= ___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +        = ;        70613348    = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;        
    frame= #10: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691  &nbs= p;             = + 70699537           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;             <= br>    frame #11: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_star= t(curthread=3D          &= nbsp;    <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290:16 &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        
  thread #4, name =3D = 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP     &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      
    frame #0: 0x0000= 1f39afacbd2c libthr.so.3`_umtx_op_err at _umtx_op    &n= bsp;          _err.S:38 &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           
 &n= bsp;  frame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_timedwait_uin= t            &n= bsp;  (mtx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>, clockid=3D= <unavailable>, abstime=3D       &n= bsp;       <unavailable>, shared=3D<= unavailable>) at thr_umtx.c:234:10      &n= bsp;            = ;        
    frame #2= : 0x00001f39afad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<un  &= nbsp;            ava= ilable>, clockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavailable>) a= t thr_kern           = ;    .c:197:9 [artificial]     &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       
    frame #3: 0x0= 0001f39afacd8ed libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common [inline    = ;           d] cond_wait_= user(cvp=3D0x0000230a3f2030e0, mp=3D0x0000230a3e012608, abst  &nb= sp;            ime= =3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11   &n= bsp;            = ;             &= nbsp;
    frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so.3`cond_w= ait_common(cond=3D<u        &nbs= p;      navailable>, mutex=3D<unavailable>= ;, abstime=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D     &nb= sp;         1) at thr_cond.c:378:11=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =            
 &nbs= p;  frame #5: 0x00001f318800e53f iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   70697631        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   
    frame #6: 0x00001f318802ae5e iridi= um`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +       &n= bsp;        70814654   &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;         
    fr= ame #7: 0x00001f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  =             &nb= sp; 70386368          &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =  
    frame #8: 0x00001f3187ff1b8a iridium`___lldb_= unnamed_symbol4691 +         &= nbsp;      70580458     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;       
    frame #9: 0x0= 0001f3187ff276e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    = ;            7058350= 2            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            
=     frame #10: 0x00001f3187ff22ec iridium`___lldb_unnamed_sy= mbol4691           &= nbsp;    + 70582348       = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;    
    frame #11: 0x00001f3187ff2165= iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691      &nbs= p;         + 70581957  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ; 
  &= nbsp; frame #12: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 = ;            &n= bsp;  + 70699537         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;  
    frame #13: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`= thread_start(curthread=3D        &n= bsp;      <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290= :16            =             &nb= sp;            =           
  thread #5= , name =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP    = ;            &n= bsp;        
    frame= #0: 0x00001f39afacbd2c libthr.so.3`_umtx_op_err at _umtx_op  &nb= sp;            _err.= S:38            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;             <= br>    frame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_ti= medwait_uint          &nb= sp;    (mtx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>,= clockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D     &nb= sp;         <unavailable>, sh= ared=3D<unavailable>) at thr_umtx.c:234:10    &nb= sp;            =           
  &nbs= p; frame #2: 0x00001f39afad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<un&n= bsp;            = ;  available>, clockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavail= able>) at thr_kern         =       .c:197:9 [artificial]    = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;         
    fr= ame #3: 0x00001f39afacd8ed libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common [inline  =              d]= cond_wait_user(cvp=3D0x0000230a3f813040, mp=3D0x0000230a3e012588, abst&nbs= p;            &= nbsp; ime=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11  = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;   
    frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so= .3`cond_wait_common(cond=3D<u       &= nbsp;       navailable>, mutex=3D<unava= ilable>, abstime=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D    =            1) at thr_cond= .c:378:11           =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            
&= nbsp;   frame #5: 0x00001f318800e53f iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symb= ol4691 +           &= nbsp;    70697631       &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     
    frame #6: 0x00001f318802a= e5e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      = ;          70814654  = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;          
  =   frame #7: 0x00001f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +&nb= sp;            =    70386368         =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;   
    frame #8: 0x00001f3187ff1b8a iridium= `___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +       &nbs= p;        70580458   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        
    fram= e #9: 0x00001f3187ff276e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  &n= bsp;            = ; 70583502           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;             &= nbsp;
    frame #10: 0x00001f3187ff22ec iridium`___lldb_u= nnamed_symbol4691         &nbs= p;      + 70582348     &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;      
    frame #11: 0x00001f3= 187ff2165 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691     &= nbsp;          + 70581957 = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;          
  =   frame #12: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  + 70699537         = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;  
    frame #13: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3= `thread_start(curthread=3D        &= nbsp;      <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:29= 0:16            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;          
  thread #= 6, name =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        
    fram= e #0: 0x00001f39afacbd2c libthr.so.3`_umtx_op_err at _umtx_op  &n= bsp;            _err= .S:38           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  
 =    frame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_timedwait_u= int            =    (mtx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>, clockid= =3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D       = ;        <unavailable>, shared=3D&= lt;unavailable>) at thr_umtx.c:234:10      = ;            &n= bsp;        
    frame= #2: 0x00001f39afad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<un &nbs= p;             = available>, clockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavailable>= ) at thr_kern          &n= bsp;    .c:197:9 [artificial]     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       
    frame #3: = 0x00001f39afacd8ed libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common [inline   &n= bsp;           d] cond_wa= it_user(cvp=3D0x0000230a3dbba800, mp=3D0x0000230a3e018188, abst  =              im= e=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11   &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;             =  
    frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so.3`cond_= wait_common(cond=3D<u        &nb= sp;      navailable>, mutex=3D<unavailable&g= t;, abstime=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D     &n= bsp;         1) at thr_cond.c:378:1= 1            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;           
 &nb= sp;  frame #5: 0x00001f318800e53f iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +=             &nb= sp;   70697631        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =     
    frame #6: 0x00001f318802ae5e irid= ium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +       &= nbsp;        70814654   &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         
    f= rame #7: 0x00001f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  = ;            &n= bsp; 70386368          &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;  
    frame #8: 0x00001f3187ff1b8a iridium`___lldb= _unnamed_symbol4691 +         =        70580458     =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #9: 0x= 00001f3187ff276e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +   &nbs= p;            705835= 02            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;                frame #10: 0x00001f3187ff233c iridium`___lldb_unnamed_s= ymbol4691           =      + 70582428      &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    
    frame #11: 0x00001f3187ff219= 1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691      &nb= sp;         + 70582001  &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         
    f= rame #12: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691  =             &nb= sp; + 70699537          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            &nb= sp;
    frame #13: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_= start(curthread=3D         &nb= sp;     <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290:16&nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        
  thread #7, name = =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP     =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #0: 0x= 00001f39afacbd2c libthr.so.3`_umtx_op_err at _umtx_op   &nbs= p;           _err.S:38&nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             
&nbs= p;   frame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_timedwait= _uint           &nbs= p;   (mtx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>, clocki= d=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D   
<unavailable>, shared=3D<unavaila= ble>) at thr_umtx.c:234:10       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;      
    frame #2: 0x0000= 1f39afad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<un   &nb= sp;           available&g= t;, clockid=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavailable>) at thr_ke= rn            &= nbsp;  .c:197:9 [artificial]       =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =       
    frame #3: 0x00001f39a= facd8ed libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common [inline     &= nbsp;         d] cond_wait_user(cvp= =3D0x0000230a3f813000, mp=3D0x0000230a3e012988, abst    = ;           ime=3D0x00000= 00000000000, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11     =             &nb= sp;            
&= nbsp;   frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common= (cond=3D<u          &n= bsp;    navailable>, mutex=3D<unavailable>, abstime= =3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D       &= nbsp;       1) at thr_cond.c:378:11 &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         
    f= rame #5: 0x00001f318800e53f iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +  = ;            &n= bsp; 70697631          &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;  
    frame #6: 0x00001f318802ae5e iridium`___lldb= _unnamed_symbol4691 +         =        70814654     =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #7: 0x= 00001f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +   &nbs= p;            703863= 68            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;                frame #8: 0x00001f3187ff1b8a iridium`___lldb_unnamed_sy= mbol4691 +           = ;     70580458       = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;     
    frame #9: 0x00001f3187f= f2515 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +     &nb= sp;          70582901 &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =            
 &nbs= p;  frame #10: 0x00001f3187ff22ec iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691&n= bsp;            = ;   + 70582348        &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    
    frame #11: 0x00001f3187ff2165 iridium`_= __lldb_unnamed_symbol4691        &n= bsp;       + 70581957    =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;       
    frame #12: 0= x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691    = ;            + 70699= 537            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             
&nbs= p;   frame #13: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_start(curth= read=3D           &n= bsp;   <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290:16  &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =        
  thread #8, name =3D 'iridiu= m', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP       = ;            &n= bsp;     
    frame #0: 0x00001f39d91= a4d0a libc.so.7`__sys_kevent at _kevent.S:     &nb= sp;         4   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    
    frame #1: 0x00001f39afadac11 li= bthr.so.3`__thr_kevent(kq=3D26, chan      &nb= sp;        gelist=3D0x0000230a40c5c000, = nchanges=3D0, eventlist=3D0x0000230a40c5d000,     =            nevents=3D64, = timeout=3D0x0000000000000000) at thr_syscalls.c:398:8   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    
    frame #2: 0x00001f39bf54ea3e= libevent-2.1.so.7`___lldb_unnamed_sy      &n= bsp;        mbol1204 + 846  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;     
    frame #3: 0x00001f39bf542c= 71 libevent-2.1.so.7`event_base_loop +      &= nbsp;         913   =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    
    frame #4: 0x00001f3188028259 iridium`__= _lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +        &= nbsp;       70803385    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;         
    frame #5: 0x00001= f3187fddae3 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +    &nb= sp;           70498371&nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             
&nbs= p;   frame #6: 0x00001f3187fa54fd iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4= 691 +           &nbs= p;    70267485       &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;    
    frame #7: 0x00001f3187ff9a78= iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +      &n= bsp;         70612952  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;          
  &nb= sp; frame #8: 0x00001f318610ede1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + =             &nb= sp;  38193985         &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    
    frame #9: 0x00001f3187ff9c04 iridium`__= _lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 +        &= nbsp;       70613348    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;        
    frame #= 10: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691   =              + = 70699537           &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;                frame #11: 0x00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_start(= curthread=3D          &nb= sp;    <unavailable>) at thr_create.c:290:16 &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       
  thread #9, name =3D 'i= ridium', stop reason =3D signal SIGTRAP      =             &nb= sp;      
    frame #0: 0x00001f= 39afacbd2c libthr.so.3`_umtx_op_err at _umtx_op    &nbs= p;          _err.S:38 &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =            
 &nbs= p;  frame #1: 0x00001f39afadbd72 libthr.so.3`_thr_umtx_timedwait_uint&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  (mtx=3D<unavailable>, id=3D<unavailable>, clockid=3D&l= t;unavailable>, abstime=3D       &nbs= p;       <unavailable>, shared=3D<un= available>) at thr_umtx.c:234:10
    frame #2: 0x00001= f39afad2369 libthr.so.3`_thr_sleep(curthread=3D<unavailable>, clockid= =3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D<unavailable>) at thr_kern.c:197:9 = [artificial]
    frame #3: 0x00001f39afacd8ed libthr.so.3= `cond_wait_common [inlined] cond_wait_user(cvp=3D0x0000230a41203220, mp=3D0= x0000230a3e013e88, abst
im= e=3D0x0000000000000000, cancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:318:11
  &nb= sp; frame #4: 0x00001f39afacd82f libthr.so.3`cond_wait_common(cond=3D<un= available>, mutex=3D<unavailable>, abstime=3D0x0000000000000000, c= ancel=3D1) at thr_cond.c:378:11
    frame #5: 0x00001f318= 800e53f iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70697631
   = frame #6: 0x00001f318802ae5e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70814654=
    frame #7: 0x00001f3187fc2560 iridium`___lldb_unnamed= _symbol4691 + 70386368
    frame #8: 0x00001f3187fc24b3 i= ridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70386195
    frame #9= : 0x00001f3187f80fee iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70118734
 = ;   frame #10: 0x00001f3187fddae3 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4= 691 + 70498371
    frame #11: 0x00001f3187fa54fd iridium`= ___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70267485
    frame #12: 0x00= 001f3187ff9a78 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70612952
  = ;  frame #13: 0x00001f3187ff9c04 iridium`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + = 70613348
    frame #14: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridium`___lld= b_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70699537
    frame #15: 0x00001f39= afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_start(curthread=3D<unavailable>) at thr_c= reate.c:290:16
  thread #10, name =3D 'iridium', stop reason =3D si= gnal SIGTRAP
    frame #0: 0x00001f39d91a4e48 libc.so.7`_= _sys_read at _read.S:4
    frame #1: 0x00001f39afada763 l= ibthr.so.3`__thr_read(fd=3D34, buf=3D0x00001f3a0820fe2c, nbytes=3D4) at thr= _syscalls.c:418:8

=     frame #2: 0x00001f3187e7592e iridium`___lldb_unnamed_sym= bol4691 + 69023374
    frame #3: 0x00001f318800ecb1 iridi= um`___lldb_unnamed_symbol4691 + 70699537
    frame #4: 0x= 00001f39afacea75 libthr.so.3`thread_start(curthread=3D<unavailable>) = at thr_create.c:290:16
(lldb)

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I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never >>> official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended >>> for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, >>> but"s. >>> >> >> Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. >> >> Is that suppose to happen? >> > > That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* > the official release announcement has been sent. > > In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very > clear on that. > > A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. > > I mean, c'mon, dude. > > We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more > clear than that. > > So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what > you are running is *NOT* official. > > For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. Yes, but, if at this point we had to rebuild, it would have to be 14.0.1 or something (which we have done a few times in the past). It would be too confusing otherwise once the bits are built and published (where published means "uploaded to our CDN"). It is the 14.0 release bits, the only question is if for some reason we had a dire emergency that meant we had to pull it at the last minute and publish different bits (under a different release name). Realistically, once the bits are available, we can't prevent people from using them, it's just at their own risk to do so until the project says "yes, we believe these are good". Granted, they are under the same risk if they are still running the last RC. The best way to minimize that risk going forward is to add more automation of testing/CI to go along with the process of building release bits so that the build artifacts from the release build run through CI and are only published if the CI is green as that would give us greater confidence of "we believe these are good" before they are uploaded for publishing. -- John Baldwin From nobody Wed Nov 15 16:58:31 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SVqBB3SbKz50VQB for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SVqB90kd3z3g6n for ; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 64.7.153.18 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVqB90kd3z3g6n On 11/14/2023 8:25 PM, Mark Millard wrote: > mike tancsa wrote on > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 13:44:22 UTC : > >> While testing some new hardware on a recent RELENG_14 image (from Nov >> 10th), I noticed some of my ssh sessions would get killed off with the >> errors below (twice in 24hrs) >> >> pid 1697 (sshd), jid 0, uid 1001, was killed: failed to reclaim memory >> pid 6274 (sshd), jid 0, uid 1001, was killed: failed to reclaim memory >> . . . > [My notes below are not specific to releng/14.0 or to > stable/14 .] > > What do you have for ( copied from my /boot/loader.conf ): Thanks Mark, no tuning in there other than forcing a particular driver to attach # cat /boot/loader.conf kern.geom.label.disk_ident.enable="0" kern.geom.label.gptid.enable="0" cryptodev_load="YES" zfs_load="YES" hw.mfi.mrsas_enable=1 t5fw_cfg_load="YES" if_cxgbe_load="YES" # > # > # Delay when persistent low free RAM leads to > # Out Of Memory killing of processes: > vm.pageout_oom_seq=120 > > The default is 12 (last I knew, anyway). 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 54b6d84b009a9d4682bf045deac71283; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.200.91.1.1\)) Subject: Re: RELENG_14 [process] was killed: failed to reclaim memory From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 10:39:50 -0800 Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9EFB40F5-65BA-4F48-AF07-157B6617A096@yahoo.com> References: <4D69D830-3C43-47B0-9E36-428598F82681.ref@yahoo.com> <4D69D830-3C43-47B0-9E36-428598F82681@yahoo.com> To: mike tancsa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.200.91.1.1) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SVsRC6jpCz4Rm7 On Nov 15, 2023, at 08:58, mike tancsa wrote: > On 11/14/2023 8:25 PM, Mark Millard wrote: >> mike tancsa wrote on >> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 13:44:22 UTC : >>=20 >>> While testing some new hardware on a recent RELENG_14 image (from = Nov >>> 10th), I noticed some of my ssh sessions would get killed off with = the >>> errors below (twice in 24hrs) >>>=20 >>> pid 1697 (sshd), jid 0, uid 1001, was killed: failed to reclaim = memory >>> pid 6274 (sshd), jid 0, uid 1001, was killed: failed to reclaim = memory >>> . . . >> [My notes below are not specific to releng/14.0 or to >> stable/14 .] >>=20 >> What do you have for ( copied from my /boot/loader.conf ): >=20 > Thanks Mark, no tuning in there other than forcing a particular driver = to attach >=20 > # cat /boot/loader.conf > kern.geom.label.disk_ident.enable=3D"0" > kern.geom.label.gptid.enable=3D"0" > cryptodev_load=3D"YES" > zfs_load=3D"YES" > hw.mfi.mrsas_enable=3D1 > t5fw_cfg_load=3D"YES" > if_cxgbe_load=3D"YES" > # >=20 >=20 >=20 >> # >> # Delay when persistent low free RAM leads to >> # Out Of Memory killing of processes: >> vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >>=20 >> The default is 12 (last I knew, anyway). >=20 > Any thoughts for a machine with a lot of RAM, Am I better to limit ARC = or change the default to 120 ? >=20 I have vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 everywhere, from the little arm's to the = ThreadRipper 1950X with 128 GiBytes of RAM. I've hit the kills in all the contexts, = even UFS based on the 1950X (no ARC competing for RAM). (High load average style = of bulk -a test run, using USE_TMPFS=3Ddata and using even USE_TMPFS=3Dno .) (My bulk -a testing is rare.) =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Thu Nov 16 00:30:30 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW1CX5TLZz50w8f; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW1CX4wFPz3csZ; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700094632; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=v9VEuB/9ATJ7sc2r8hGcwu5OUWS1VYVO6p1jK5+z4mg=; b=ZQAUexmgcouMFYOR3MRyT8bXPi/sjajcrd0lB14c8eglvHsBzfgLODEIAuoj4b3w7R1rdn blOQbLx1+bOJ+/CaUfeb+STjsk+A2EQERLC7M/YTovwDEQR04JTCYbD/75Vk0v0ji8GJaR yf66vF8nK9rozucA2mssGH4EuP7N1GyDJWBMV5IEzz4vgFm23kU6ZxyYLB+ew17BM35irH a04sd9imBN4twKm4dzjqUaxeMwfGFiAmANGq+0zGCWW6CMQN/K6ExcITBJnkGc0TdI1cJG Iuy1ChnDcZNjNsk3SxEQzfjO/AIuNiplNTQya3PBhBdPxGTYQ0IWhXY+XnQ2Tw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700094632; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=v9VEuB/9ATJ7sc2r8hGcwu5OUWS1VYVO6p1jK5+z4mg=; b=FdJCi3zi4dVTyKVdbLxjkm5J6DUqJVtQkDxb5LMTa7GiTm14p5QJ3JBCN9Yg1NNxPQPF+1 qqRgW8mzw0cCsPsRZR0L8S+wk4fDrcLWC52EfyueVpcnpE8kmnuJ1vcQBiC5ZaGeb+dmBX LMZNlpXVXaCf65V/B56Y81QrkkCjj0DEzst/XbWFL53O072cXRsiCnmjIKcycSkJxeVq7E AlMR4YkIbstO5uvdXmZPOPkJ6j44YnVvGV0sVf9Wm392Swu2GUiO/B1wttfqFcjwl3NhT/ R0lghRTCjpuouDNARnL6maKoNPGDyNjh6qS4ON4NOX4EWjskicTlYdCAoKKIDw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700094632; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=s7oHqIoZ4QdKw7kL8/5XM+WMbuDJCILQIY3slJv+WmFVRx4KRT/724U/21EHOS77s8+r2R IvAQ7Nnmsf1h3Ows8h/UrFpZrZnLFnntPL8mB7UktdgGcugLP7gInjoSOTaPX8pZAlsF8b UWrc5rFE+tWN5lCfGu20NFhKuvGud8/V9BJZ3dkatAI4WrFYTeIW11zvJDtJR/RrucuRgL T3D+mw7urJ8NeoF5ijeQREWHxQ3p6+dbA8BRscX/XUO4EbnzZLFw/fmlg1pL+BMZb/Gnr9 xt0oWosjtPx92XwqhY5zIZxMP+g1+g0e5P3VDdzQFcvbfdgJHAaoBM4r3KT8Xg== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A53916228; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:30:30 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: John Baldwin Cc: The Doctor , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iYlQhtYNd1Y0HGg2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --iYlQhtYNd1Y0HGg2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 08:39:39AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: > > > > > > We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complet= e before > > > > > > the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > It should only be another day or so before these things complet= e. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Thank you for your understanding. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > I always just installed my copy. > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are nev= er > > > > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is inte= nded > > > > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > > > > but"s. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. > > >=20 > > > Is that suppose to happen? > > >=20 > >=20 > > That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* > > the official release announcement has been sent. > >=20 > > In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very > > clear on that. > >=20 > > A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. > >=20 > > I mean, c'mon, dude. > >=20 > > We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more > > clear than that. > >=20 > > So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what > > you are running is *NOT* official. > >=20 > > For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. >=20 > Yes, but, if at this point we had to rebuild, it would have to be 14.0.1 > or something (which we have done a few times in the past). It would be > too confusing otherwise once the bits are built and published (where > published means "uploaded to our CDN"). It is the 14.0 release bits, > the only question is if for some reason we had a dire emergency that > meant we had to pull it at the last minute and publish different bits > (under a different release name). >=20 > Realistically, once the bits are available, we can't prevent people from > using them, it's just at their own risk to do so until the project says > "yes, we believe these are good". Granted, they are under the same risk > if they are still running the last RC. The best way to minimize that > risk going forward is to add more automation of testing/CI to go along > with the process of building release bits so that the build artifacts > from the release build run through CI and are only published if the CI > is green as that would give us greater confidence of "we believe these > are good" before they are uploaded for publishing. >=20 You are correct on all points. If there were a need to re-roll 14.0, it would indeed necessitate a release/14.0.1 tag. Note, release/14.0.0 has not yet been tagged, and I find it extremely unlikely that it will be necessary to rebuild from a release/14.0.1 tag. I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race condition with which we have to live at the moment. My email was intended to be informative. Period. There were no suggestions that 14.0-RELEASE was not yet final. And to be fair, I had to personally deal with the fallout of a release "too soon", notably 11.0-RELEASE, where I thought a critical issue had been addressed, but I was wrong. My only point, in being overly open to the public on the delay, is that we (the Release Engineering Team) are not yet ready to rubber-stamp this as complete, as there are some outstanding items that are pending that have not yet completed. The alternative would be to say nothing at all. Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled announcement date. Glen --iYlQhtYNd1Y0HGg2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEjRJAPC5sqwhs9k2jAxRYpUeP4pMFAmVVYqAACgkQAxRYpUeP 4pPB7g/+PRsNVNMwdBIu3ex8Tjp/J6uEfSlo3iUTOFIXQ98NxcdPVHPtYFr+dKWo TYGgHMuOIJWM6mtRIEDCVazYTkPr0si4lCnReXxq/splwrwyMoNa6GxVL7m8KVfH FozYvRqb+UFlkdUaZepVZSXq8ADtpUH2ocwRZaQjehiW3Cv9lHSH88ey3OVwg2li JX64AUvvJ/BBQxr0bYL8kTP1oJTmZzf4Fj3P64KAVnOXfkCR8o07uqqlrqQzMXIG SSKhuySq9PSAETS3UZ/QoH8srh4N7HrlyrPYjrG2EW8jogJ08GaDkrUozVFub+WR ikK3tNF8KXIZUi4mQ+CfwUfyls1GDrJsiZ79Hqs3vtEtAXd+lwntzLz3vdMr2Odx UDgAOK9qaDJDIhV70mcgmfkmWlindF0qm0HxRnhDPJzt8iMuTULHKNCK06vJ3/z0 ewZ2HnD9sbXV/9F6ETz5l2lSuLh4T7jSLaQOW5SDaxsDyoU/Lz/g0VvqEOjnQcah CsoH9LkYDS3Cda2x2RZ2FwTxVgh/v4t16B9K8a1p0Xw22aCQ+Dt4YW1nFzJCZEAO AOXk0co8fetv+k5oeydOINwsbEOV24Fx3Fea7yYXSpCk05/MBKZKVPbMGJI8zQQm qZb7t9fHUI1mpc06rDHk9IbwCtp84YzMpRHCNwHeuiWoqRQwC5c= =Ltbk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iYlQhtYNd1Y0HGg2-- From nobody Thu Nov 16 03:19:39 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW4ys0jCwz514Jj; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW4yr2ZSGz4QRx; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1700104780; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=wBPCnY43OxQjHdlKWYkNJqBjcGi+0dLfVovlYlYnuCI=; b=4kh5jj4kkthq84iFtXiXpwoJtqaLAiqpav8VCFwMbXEbThaXhy7kbv9jaz2U8mDOFSUw3v /hO6xgvpOF0EJgtfnT/atbMCxiantHwGevqMF2Dmz18S+ClzGoJVepYhpEKY/eH5f7zfa/ GC5DYr4wfvOnnqlgPo4Fl2aKqq8V3NE= Received: from [192.168.1.223] (cpe-24-24-168-214.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.168.214]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 3d9d9019 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------koVe1rSEAnHTQ7IVSnZIv0gx" Message-ID: <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 19:19:39 -0800 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule To: Glen Barber , John Baldwin Cc: The Doctor , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Pete Wright In-Reply-To: <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SW4yr2ZSGz4QRx This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------koVe1rSEAnHTQ7IVSnZIv0gx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. > > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above > context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights > delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when > there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled > announcement date. Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep everyone in the loop.  I think people get excited about new releases, which is probably a good thing.  IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance. As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and the RE team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution and common sense you all bring to this complex process. Cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA --------------koVe1rSEAnHTQ7IVSnZIv0gx Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote:
The alternative would be to say nothing at all.

Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain.  It is
a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above
context.  We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights
delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when
there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled
announcement date.
Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep everyone in the loop.  I think people get excited about new releases, which is probably a good thing.  IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance.

As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers.  You and the RE team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution and common sense you all bring to this complex process.

Cheers,
-pete 

-- 
Pete Wright
pete@nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA
--------------koVe1rSEAnHTQ7IVSnZIv0gx-- From nobody Thu Nov 16 03:31:08 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW5Cy5B0Kz515S2; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW5Cy4h5tz4TDL; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700105470; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=zYsjPfX7A6+EJmjurvlHMHk6xNK53VeYV70cWZaz5MI=; b=jwwnoPb5/bAe1b0yHnHJf2t5P2Swe/l4FKcDco/2Gk2ri8lWkmfxQ7cTVy1o57V2589Uod uDqHfbBQSa1H0N14CJSSInOov9cjIkJf/cAyDjc2EWD/bHlOjJSft7sgBS0tN5lRZCLPeK CgdSDCUkirzsP97vshCAXCPsAyAi3qjpSvXBF/K8yu/c5Zq5EguO4Gt99Pa9h+jVUVrU8T N07y/9xgC/ZhO7HjlYwMwL1ntJ/F8UtVtPHSq1U9E7R/rfkbleneOGfEtVtexl2azKPlkF IxTgn6l7PlhKZc1221a19XkfDmLjEP3ZjT2XSXcqF3klv6Ra/8ceuNw0wDq2wA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700105470; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=zYsjPfX7A6+EJmjurvlHMHk6xNK53VeYV70cWZaz5MI=; b=pIQpryeQ6MJDIcKJLOe8ZSF4GdDwS+xGQJphuUYoTjFBEBF5gohlM5NY9+LviyFJte397u uemS9s/a4KkjMMt/wWqQS9e0qzWGAAHB3X31sUY/2YDddC+Sgg5+74CUKXHrrOe0zl/dyo otsKaq43YvWSug0v7LGBApWXUt8Zt7C4pDf0YqaNstEiPK/WowlhcVXS++i7Diwo9v1Pn7 UmLmpgYH9ek+wMchMxXvmHbidxQzxG/MenCFFnrygTpSISfMlKhTG1LKKJnNceG4Ub9qc1 Q2ZHT1AhuUeJ6U8RI5MOZPvkyqdn2ZmRgyXthvaWQGRO41O7fWBUBlTq3xfnrA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700105470; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=AV4pbHwXEkPkvaEYm/qx4fbC5AzdJCbq6wr26ZvbfHT3bNoctNAjKICPlmEQJGb5MyFUJ5 xcqEjnTLnnxjxp+girAceJx9tQEvSpJuxfM9O6IOENVLS0k+bmoX6WBeO0zCMD+rnqyFG8 bD7Me1TfiRAEXvuyaYzhX3/8cpTbX2p/nfwRFUnt8525NoaHiZC2TjW+0fVJHkDQZdr3Qi ppdDGcjt9ATQA3hfFWIqUf6pO5Dzofp6aCYeAYxjlK2/uFu1bciFB1WyYU6UCiBa1vGLOf 2dMbqLrPm7P5Ayj4TPjwLa16VD3ZegOI8/8RuU3YFIYDlPswjgOGeD9xdjZ3gw== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15DF516843; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 03:31:08 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Pete Wright Cc: John Baldwin , The Doctor , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231116033108.GP1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231115045231.GN1307@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BC0PqexbI+QDQ83Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <23a4bd83-dca4-4e76-a513-9df6671d930d@nomadlogic.org> --BC0PqexbI+QDQ83Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 07:19:39PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: > > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. > >=20 > > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above > > context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights > > delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when > > there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled > > announcement date. > Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep > everyone in the loop.=A0 I think people get excited about new releases, w= hich is > probably a good thing.=A0 IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance. >=20 > As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to > adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and the = RE > team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution = and > common sense you all bring to this complex process. >=20 Thank you very much, Pete, for your email on this. It is appreciated by all of us involved in FreeBSD releases. 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It is >> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >> announcement date. > Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to > keep everyone in the loop.  I think people get excited about new > releases, which is probably a good thing.  IMHO i feel you've been > striking a good balance. > > As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me > to adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and > the RE team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the > caution and common sense you all bring to this complex process. > > Cheers, > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > +1 from a retired RE manager yet another hard thankless job in the development chain... -- When you beleve in things. that you don't understand, then you suffer, superstition ain't the way. Stevie Wonder - 1972 From nobody Thu Nov 16 05:06:01 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW7KR2Rznz519fc; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mail0.glenbarber.us (mail0.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1:2300:1001:1001:1001:face]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail0.glenbarber.us", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW7KR1sn1z3FXy; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (50.29.233.174.res-cmts.swb2.ptd.net [50.29.233.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by mail0.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94007D535; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:06:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail0.glenbarber.us 94007D535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule From: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:06:01 -0500 Cc: FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <9D0AE587-C9AE-4751-9B08-B4AF6811B633@freebsd.org> References: To: Rich Reynolds X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20G81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SW7KR1sn1z3FXy Thank you for that. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:17 PM, Rich Reynolds wrote= : >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 11/15/23 20:19, Pete Wright wrote: >>> On 11/15/23 16:30, Glen Barber wrote: >>> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >>>=20 >>> Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is >>> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >>> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >>> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >>> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >>> announcement date. >> Glen I appreciate your transparency and the efforts you have done to keep= everyone in the loop. I think people get excited about new releases, which= is probably a good thing. IMHO i feel you've been striking a good balance.= >> As an operator these updates are really helpful for me as it allows me to= adjust timelines on my end for updating my fleet of servers. You and the RE= team do an incredible job - and personally I am thankful for the caution an= d common sense you all bring to this complex process. >> Cheers, >> -pete >> --=20 >> Pete Wright >> pete@nomadlogic.org >> @nomadlogicLA > +1 from a retired RE manager > yet another hard thankless job in the development chain... >=20 > --=20 > When you beleve in things. that you don't understand, > then you suffer, superstition ain't the way. > Stevie Wonder - 1972 >=20 From nobody Thu Nov 16 05:07:36 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SW7MF67Slz519j0; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from mail0.glenbarber.us (mail0.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1:2300:1001:1001:1001:face]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail0.glenbarber.us", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA 2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SW7MF3Fhwz3HYY; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (50.29.233.174.res-cmts.swb2.ptd.net [50.29.233.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by mail0.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDE4CD544; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 05:07:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail0.glenbarber.us BDE4CD544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule From: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 00:07:36 -0500 Cc: John Baldwin , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: <5F24BC3A-88D9-4295-AA94-435C11A1F445@freebsd.org> References: To: The Doctor X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20G81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:2607:fc50::/36, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SW7MF3Fhwz3HYY And if there is a reason to reissue a release, the update will reflect such.= So to answer your latter question, yes. Unless it needs to be replaced. Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. > On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:38 PM, The Doctor wrote:= >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:30:30AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 08:39:39AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >>> On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: >>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>>>>> We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete be= fore >>>>>>>> the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> It should only be another day or so before these things complete. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thank you for your understanding. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I always just installed my copy. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never= >>>>>> official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intend= ed >>>>>> for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, >>>>>> but"s. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is that suppose to happen? >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* >>>> the official release announcement has been sent. >>>>=20 >>>> In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very >>>> clear on that. >>>>=20 >>>> A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. >>>>=20 >>>> I mean, c'mon, dude. >>>>=20 >>>> We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more >>>> clear than that. >>>>=20 >>>> So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what >>>> you are running is *NOT* official. >>>>=20 >>>> For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. >>>=20 >>> Yes, but, if at this point we had to rebuild, it would have to be 14.0.1= >>> or something (which we have done a few times in the past). It would be >>> too confusing otherwise once the bits are built and published (where >>> published means "uploaded to our CDN"). It is the 14.0 release bits, >>> the only question is if for some reason we had a dire emergency that >>> meant we had to pull it at the last minute and publish different bits >>> (under a different release name). >>>=20 >>> Realistically, once the bits are available, we can't prevent people from= >>> using them, it's just at their own risk to do so until the project says >>> "yes, we believe these are good". Granted, they are under the same risk= >>> if they are still running the last RC. The best way to minimize that >>> risk going forward is to add more automation of testing/CI to go along >>> with the process of building release bits so that the build artifacts >>> from the release build run through CI and are only published if the CI >>> is green as that would give us greater confidence of "we believe these >>> are good" before they are uploaded for publishing. >>>=20 >>=20 >> You are correct on all points. If there were a need to re-roll 14.0, it >> would indeed necessitate a release/14.0.1 tag. Note, release/14.0.0 has >> not yet been tagged, and I find it extremely unlikely that it will be >> necessary to rebuild from a release/14.0.1 tag. >>=20 >> I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, >> installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race >> condition with which we have to live at the moment. >>=20 >> My email was intended to be informative. Period. >>=20 >> There were no suggestions that 14.0-RELEASE was not yet final. And to >> be fair, I had to personally deal with the fallout of a release "too >> soon", notably 11.0-RELEASE, where I thought a critical issue had been >> addressed, but I was wrong. >>=20 >> My only point, in being overly open to the public on the delay, is that >> we (the Release Engineering Team) are not yet ready to rubber-stamp this >> as complete, as there are some outstanding items that are pending that >> have not yet completed. >>=20 >> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >>=20 >> Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is >> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >> announcement date. >>=20 >> Glen >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > What ahappened was that I inititated the freebsd-upgrade RELEASE upgrade c= ommand. >=20 > question should that RELEASe been released? >=20 > --=20 > Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca > Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist ri= sing! > Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be= seen > Lest we forget 11 Nov 2023 Beware https://mindspring.com >=20 From nobody Thu Nov 16 21:22:52 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWY3J70Mdz516mV; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:7400:8808:123::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWY3H6rJ7z4N5h; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jamie@catflap.org designates 2001:19f0:7400:8808:123::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jamie@catflap.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=catflap.org X-Catflap-Envelope-From: X-Catflap-Envelope-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 3AGLMrso086012; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:22:53 GMT (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id 3AGLMqsN086011; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:22:52 GMT (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <202311162122.3AGLMqsN086011@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:22:52 +0000 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: gjb@FreeBSD.org, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]); Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:22:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.69 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[catflap.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:dyslexicfish.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org,freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:7400::/38, country:US]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jamie]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SWY3H6rJ7z4N5h X-Spamd-Bar: --- > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > but"s. Foe a recent new build, I just went to the ftp site to grab the latest rc, only to see 14.0-release there, so I grabbed and installed that, many hours before your original mail went out. No biggy, I generally track stable, but does this mean we can't rely on the download sites without checking out the lists first? It's not like I was plaing sneaky by doing "guess the URL" or anything like that. Jamie From nobody Thu Nov 16 21:59:16 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWYsD1L6hz517xT for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Received: from plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (plan-b.pwste.edu.pl [IPv6:2001:678:618::40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "plan-b.pwste.edu.pl", Issuer "GEANT OV RSA CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SWYsC570Vz4VPS for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [IPV6:2a02:22e0:cf00:1ff:63f0:2fc0:7fca:98ab] (mzar@[IPv6:2a02:22e0:cf00:1ff:63f0:2fc0:7fca:98ab]) (authenticated bits=0) by plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 3AGLxIiP038922 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:59:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; s=plan-b-mailer; t=1700171960; bh=KN8bSnGbZEOftale9phT3j6mnb65WSxfz+sM2bfBevw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=iLg2afaMJJA+AAxPzisCsXst+HbPsKcSx42FaQfQOqAWxxD3uUwpyIXXoWFzqRNzD zLk1c1ekZLece5D5hk+deoITbKMMiFLNDr3kDCF7yIIq3Me5jlKpsX2/jOBeC2deUW HlvVNLyuvbQi4aH2MwSDISkLYniyOW6NlezZOqWVPc91Je7AHsS8yV7erlDbNkNc8z lpvNcq/V6pt7C9htOwSNgUCg+kurI2ybDzmJAx0ZoYo8rugdmmrPvns4UyqwcFz2R9 thHfygiXtMUAeRGuf3TC3u5ZIbguvJ4bOBvz0teRo40Z0x/8Ry6J2CUsOC1HjQjQPt ZyFo87BkNsWCw== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:59:16 +0100 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule To: The Doctor Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <5F24BC3A-88D9-4295-AA94-435C11A1F445@freebsd.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Marek Zarychta Autocrypt: addr=zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; keydata= xsBNBFfi3cMBCADLecMTFXad4uDXqv3eRuB4qJJ8G9tzzFezeRnnwxOsPdytW5ES2z1ibSrR IsiImx6+PTqrAmXpTInxAi7yiZGdSiONRI4CCxKY9d1YFiNYT/2WyNXCekm9x29YeIU7x0JB Llbz0f/9HC+styBIu2H+PY/X98Clzm110CS+n/b9l1AtiGxTiVFj7/uavYAKxH6LNWnbkuc5 v8EVNc7NkEcl5h7Z9X5NEtzDxTOiBIFQ/kOT7LAtkYUPo1lqLeOM2DtWSXTXQgXl0zJI4iP1 OAu4qQYm2nXwq4b2AH9peknelvnt1mpfgDCGSKnhc26q6ibTfMwydp+tvUtQIQYpA6b9ABEB AAHNN01hcmVrIFphcnljaHRhIChQbGFuLWIpIDx6YXJ5Y2h0YW1AcGxhbi1iLnB3c3RlLmVk dS5wbD7CwHcEEwEIACEFAlfi4LkCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQgJCgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQHZW8 vIFppoJXdgf8D9X3VRFSNaR9lthSx/+uqas17J3FJKBo1xMQsC2a+44vzNvYJSuPGLLJ+LW2 HPVazjP/BWZJbxOYpliY4zxNRU0YCp0BLIVLibc//yax+mE42FND/+NiIZhqJscl6MLPrSwo sIwXec4XYkldkyqW/xBbBYXoIkBqdKB9j5j42Npy1IV/RizOSdmvTWY27ir8e/yGMR1RLr4F 8P5K3OWTdlGy2H2F/3J8bIPBLG6FpaIyLQw4dHSx8V02PYqDxK1cNo2kAOnU8PnZL/AGuMOH iv3MN1VYL8ehcmpBBsrZGebQJxrjY2/5IaTSgp9xHYT70kshuU6Qb97vk1mOjNZxgc7ATQRX 4t3DAQgA10h6RCXuBLMHxq5B8X/ZIlj9sgLoeyfRdDZEc9rT2KUeUJVHDsbvOFf4/7F1ovWY hJbA6GK/LUZeHHTjnbZcH1uDYQeHly4UOLxeEvhGoz4JhS2C7JzN/uRnwbdOAUbJr8rUj/IY a7gk906rktsc/Ldrxrxh7O6WO0JCh2XO/p4pDfEwwB37g4xHprSab28ECYJ9JMbtA8Sy4M55 g3+GQ28FvSlGnx48OoGXU2BZdc1vZKSQmNOlikB+9/hDX8zdYWVfDaX1TLQ8Ib4+xTUmapza mV/bxIsaZRBw+jFjLQHhTbIMfPEU+4mxFDvTdbKPruKPqVf1ydgMnPZWngowdwARAQABwsBf BBgBCAAJBQJX4t3DAhsMAAoJEB2VvLyBaaaC6qkIAJs9sDPqrqW0bYoRfzY6XjDWQ59p9tJi v8aogxacQNCfAu+WkJ8PNVUtC1dlVcG5NnZ80gXzd1rc8ueIvXlvdanUt/jZd8jbb3gaDbK3 wh1yMCGBl/1fOJTyEGYv1CRojv97KK89KP5+r8x1P1iHcSrunlDNqGxTMydNCwBH23QcOM+m u4spKnJ/s0VRBkw3xoKBZfZza6fTQ4gTpAipjyk7ldOGBV+PvkKATdhK2yLwuWXhKbg/GRlD 1r5P0gxzSqfV4My+KJuc2EDcrqp1y0wOpE1m9iZqCcd0fup5f7HDsYlLWshr7NQl28f6+fQb sylq/j672BHXsdeqf/Ip9V4= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:206006, ipnet:2001:678:618::/48, country:PL] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SWYsC570Vz4VPS W dniu 16.11.2023 o 12:19, The Doctor pisze: > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:07:36AM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: >> And if there is a reason to reissue a release, the update will reflect such. >> >> So to answer your latter question, yes. Unless it needs to be replaced. >> >> Glen >> Sent from my phone. >> Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. >> >>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:38 PM, The Doctor wrote: >>> >>> ???On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:30:30AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 08:39:39AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> On 11/14/23 8:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:10:23PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:27:01AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 05:15:48PM -0700, The Doctor wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 08:36:54PM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >>>>>>>>>> We are still waiting for a few (non-critical) things to complete before >>>>>>>>>> the announcement of 14.0-RELEASE will be ready. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It should only be another day or so before these things complete. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your understanding. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I always just installed my copy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never >>>>>>>> official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended >>>>>>>> for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, >>>>>>>> but"s. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Howver if you do a freebsd-update upgrade, you can upgrade. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that suppose to happen? >>>>>>> >>>>>> That does not say that the freebsd-update bits will not change *until* >>>>>> the official release announcement has been sent. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my past 15 years involved in the Project, I think we have been very >>>>>> clear on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> A RELEASE IS NOT FINAL UNTIL THE PGP-SIGNED ANNOUNCEMENT IS SENT. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean, c'mon, dude. >>>>>> >>>>>> We really, seriously, for all intents and purposes, cannot be any more >>>>>> clear than that. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, yes, *IF* an update necessitates a new freebsd-update build, what >>>>>> you are running is *NOT* official. >>>>>> >>>>>> For at least 15 years, we have all said the same entire thing. >>>>> Yes, but, if at this point we had to rebuild, it would have to be 14.0.1 >>>>> or something (which we have done a few times in the past). It would be >>>>> too confusing otherwise once the bits are built and published (where >>>>> published means "uploaded to our CDN"). It is the 14.0 release bits, >>>>> the only question is if for some reason we had a dire emergency that >>>>> meant we had to pull it at the last minute and publish different bits >>>>> (under a different release name). >>>>> >>>>> Realistically, once the bits are available, we can't prevent people from >>>>> using them, it's just at their own risk to do so until the project says >>>>> "yes, we believe these are good". Granted, they are under the same risk >>>>> if they are still running the last RC. The best way to minimize that >>>>> risk going forward is to add more automation of testing/CI to go along >>>>> with the process of building release bits so that the build artifacts >>>>> from the release build run through CI and are only published if the CI >>>>> is green as that would give us greater confidence of "we believe these >>>>> are good" before they are uploaded for publishing. >>>>> >>>> You are correct on all points. If there were a need to re-roll 14.0, it >>>> would indeed necessitate a release/14.0.1 tag. Note, release/14.0.0 has >>>> not yet been tagged, and I find it extremely unlikely that it will be >>>> necessary to rebuild from a release/14.0.1 tag. >>>> >>>> I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, >>>> installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race >>>> condition with which we have to live at the moment. >>>> >>>> My email was intended to be informative. Period. >>>> >>>> There were no suggestions that 14.0-RELEASE was not yet final. And to >>>> be fair, I had to personally deal with the fallout of a release "too >>>> soon", notably 11.0-RELEASE, where I thought a critical issue had been >>>> addressed, but I was wrong. >>>> >>>> My only point, in being overly open to the public on the delay, is that >>>> we (the Release Engineering Team) are not yet ready to rubber-stamp this >>>> as complete, as there are some outstanding items that are pending that >>>> have not yet completed. >>>> >>>> The alternative would be to say nothing at all. >>>> >>>> Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is >>>> a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above >>>> context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights >>>> delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when >>>> there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled >>>> announcement date. >>>> >>>> Glen >>>> >>>> >>> What ahappened was that I inititated the freebsd-upgrade RELEASE upgrade command. >>> >>> question should that RELEASe been released? >>> > > Here is what happened. Since Openssl 1.X is no longer supported > I switch to 14.0-RC4 and found for the most part > that RC4 is 98 % there. > > Given the web site saying expect a release notice around 10 Nov, > > I deciced to try to see if 14.0 RELEASE was ready. > > Since then I found 1, > > port openvpn is not stable > > > 2, wireguard FrreBSD client to FreeBSD serve is not working > > 3) Dovecot is acting glitchy. Thank you for testing and reporting, that's appreciated. Anyway, not using real name and escalating this way you look more like a troll than FreeBSD tester to me. Instead of complaining here you'd better support FreeBSD and Glen's effort by donating a few bucks to either: https://www.gofundme.com/f/gjbbsd and/or https://freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ With kind regards -- Marek Zarychta From nobody Thu Nov 16 22:52:46 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWb0L0Nfqz51Bcb; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SWb0K6xv3z4dHC; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700175170; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0bxwCocVwBUbhsOH1iGGqsBO/61zQFJIHWKZoYNiJDc=; b=TtLUV4VzKktLSSPw8n+EohxuaAwmbs/T5U2PZcbo1X/L39wIvpy/vnOoKKB7IB//5VPlLs 2EApXphITJSQQfAwdSCFkgPtWeUYzTeEn4e41JII7hOiGvJaHrMnwCIIQRSv81QkwLj2/G djoYlfIZpjGei/TeFEicof2EUr9yz2HZ/kS03Qm1QK94AadZHKrveqeJRLsS3TW6MStoXd KNBibaXk5aYwSr8+VQtk1ED3Jtc9hHZ4mSaNobOPSJmVzyBxGIaqGN7MTYy1bsMjHuBT7l QYqRrzy62e+YOWQ8Vi52OeqtkF8N/TSM0CgG813t85gMPvgk2iU3WUMwRvfs+Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1700175170; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0bxwCocVwBUbhsOH1iGGqsBO/61zQFJIHWKZoYNiJDc=; b=vlk5l/qQb8DPok1IkbpE9paKGgI8+Cl2FaYZ3gjPCwGpkzUB4ZZVIqS8wV+KP87WMkhqnD l/56+AZQhiM4bxYqqnAGwEYKvcq/7ow7lxc8mGPlx/lT+/NksV8cwcTht3540XfbItLiXs Ntka2Zm/LkzdfU5DsUovVBuHZC00YfZ8YHI+XqAtTvUG2nu8j/WbkgshohFQo0iFQwXBCq 3YGVdxsgNeMHa8x5JWRHMU8xN44zqk02TSmsvNQNMV4dR6RWX1mDQ5C6s1k63naQezZdqe LdSBZ/5u/hVlKTNDyKYWLAoniGnARlfpInCtMFFoH910UJ2cmYcNCoWfUalzaA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1700175170; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=xpV2sV1GwoHPegnX0pLR9llLM0er8n8OKSTtZ+q8733FKPcDA+VGyidwKlIyD3h9AbpaYB JvAj9u4RUOd6lqV7sTmaKR0kvVmBvLLFzY6LgM64Dwy2y/UIplmrWkSTcexlsacHU4wGv2 4noZGpjxqo4jB/COq7jgDEzixf8pKoGYSgRvZLeTpOq8UQJ+S5UrYpribKwai0dHvXAD20 5kH/OgaZTQlGxeyF/8rmUb0+xKR/AV5C08TYB6l+2XJDCzMvp9sE6O4AonGY7MTMn90/vB A1Q2iU2AHSjU5NiasIwqLTv+GM/NEQOTOrPPsmwx3F8sJLkDMLvQReaYVLq9KA== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F437193C1; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:52:46 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Jamie Landeg-Jones Cc: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca, re@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Message-ID: <20231116225246.GQ1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <202311162122.3AGLMqsN086011@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UI7gKp310iCrxvPC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202311162122.3AGLMqsN086011@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> --UI7gKp310iCrxvPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 09:22:52PM +0000, Jamie Landeg-Jones wrote: > > Ok. I do not know what exactly is your point, but releases are never > > official until there is a PGP-signed email sent. The email is intended > > for the general public of consumers of official releases, not "yeah, > > but"s. >=20 > Foe a recent new build, I just went to the ftp site to grab the latest rc, > only to see 14.0-release there, so I grabbed and installed that, many > hours before your original mail went out. >=20 > No biggy, I generally track stable, but does this mean we can't rely > on the download sites without checking out the lists first? It's not > like I was plaing sneaky by doing "guess the URL" or anything like that. >=20 No. It merely suggests the release is not officially official yet. 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RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12e:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SWfQb0Svcz3S0q X-Spamd-Bar: --- --00000000000055dc7b060a4f09a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Congratulations to the FreeBSD Release Engineering (RE) Team for the tremendous work that is going on to provide a no (known) issue 14.0 release. Glen, as the RE's media interface to the world, you continue to amaze in your ability to maintain transparency, clarity and honesty in your timely status information ensuring that the community has clear upgrade/installation paths and visibility to all relevant issues so they (we) can plan and schedule appropriately. The team should be commended as its clear that a "release" is not just dropping the source at a distribution location for the world to consume; rather the release kit has to be bundled and rolled into cloud services such as AWS, Azure; installed and tested upon all supported platforms amd64, aarch64, MIPS, powerpc...; distribution media created for iso's, virtual images,... and then to co-ordinate that they all function properly via the distribution points and finally announced. A huge amount of co-ordination and communication work, thank-you for your substantial contribution over the last 15 years and I'm sure we look forward to many more. :) Its also clear why a formal announcement is the trigger to say, 'everything has been confirmed to work properly; you have a release, now go for it!' A cohesive team that delivers a great operating system for the world to enjoy must be very fulfilling. Kind regards, Dewayne PS The (draft?) release notes for 14.0 are excellent - clear, concise and nicely hyperlinked to relevant information. Ref: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-announce/2023-April/000069.html --00000000000055dc7b060a4f09a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations to the FreeBSD Release En= gineering (RE) Team for the tremendous work that is going on to provide a n= o (known) issue 14.0 release. =C2=A0

Glen, as the RE's media int= erface to the world, you continue to amaze in your ability to maintain tran= sparency, clarity and honesty in your timely status information ensuring th= at the community has clear upgrade/installation paths and visibility to all= relevant issues so they (we) can plan and schedule appropriately.=C2=A0 Th= e team should be commended as its clear that a "release" is not j= ust dropping the source at a distribution location for the world to consume= ; rather the release kit has to be bundled and rolled into cloud services s= uch as AWS, Azure; installed and tested upon all supported platforms amd64,= aarch64, MIPS, powerpc...; =C2=A0distribution media created for iso's,= virtual images,... and then to co-ordinate that they all function properly= via the distribution points and finally announced.=C2=A0 A huge amount of = co-ordination and communication work, thank-you for your substantial contri= bution over the last 15 years and I'm sure we look forward to many more= . :)

Its also clear why a formal announcement is the trigger to say,= 'everything has been confirmed to work properly; you have a release, n= ow go for it!'=C2=A0=20 A cohesive team that delivers a great operating system for the world to enj= oy must be very fulfilling.

Kind regards, Dewayne
PS The (draft?) release notes for 14.0 are= excellent - clear, concise and nicely hyperlinked to relevant information.= =C2=A0

Ref: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-= announce/2023-April/000069.html

--00000000000055dc7b060a4f09a2-- From nobody Fri Nov 17 10:05:14 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWswD1xzPz50mbD for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 10:05:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SWswC4Z6Rz4gBy for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 10:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier.freebsd@free.fr) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=free.fr header.s=smtp-20201208 header.b="VkkcBK2/"; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of olivier.freebsd@free.fr designates 2a01:e0c:1:1599::11 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=olivier.freebsd@free.fr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=free.fr Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [90.118.140.172]) (Authenticated sender: olivier.freebsd@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6AD9200587 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:05:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1700215514; bh=D2ROkOy91N8soXi5RJniZ6QapYj1cqR5PTXbvlx4dqE=; h=From:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=VkkcBK2/QdffwEid7J4kHzMfsGjxHTu8uGrn43EaNLvtvvuS4ewtrMdjLsH6RGzyl zIxUbkIQ4+HCvrQU3VAMaj0V/pNcFaeryXL/OobwQAzjr9oduuWMAwpbIym9JdOz0Z qx0y59CP9mL6Kuf6dUQIEVK/G423CIaeIqhDrOBYdMEE1D38GhpAPUc9WBubwkDBVg dQxoH4cY8kIgwqyN/6kTOvcWJ5sZml85UfWyYFbEbouTJjVnOTX3Jp/RS/7JrN6z/M 4yiEdnPtuMuAuOUG6bgrO1LUjNyk9tGG8c3kdAbQt9xxeC90cc0kMRAV0BmmtzCbww gfIaVh7g82JWw== From: Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:05:14 +0100 Message-ID: <2295486.mbH6SKH1i7@ravel> In-Reply-To: <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231116003030.GO1307@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.99 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.89)[0.889]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[free.fr,none]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::11:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[free.fr:s=smtp-20201208]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[free.fr:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[free.fr]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[free.fr:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[free.fr]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:2a01:e00::/26, country:FR]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SWswC4Z6Rz4gBy X-Spamd-Bar: / Hi Glen, > I also agree we cannot prevent people from downloading the images, > installers, whatever before the announcement. That is the lovely race > condition with which we have to live at the moment. Yes, and given that, I don't think you did anything wrong. It seems that the race is the same for freebsd-update(8), according to "The Doctor". But maybe in this case it is easier to fix, perhaps if installing the metadata signaling the new release to it can be delayed, by contrast with big files containing the actual data (I don't know how freebsd-update(8) works, so this is just a guess). > The alternative would be to say nothing at all. I really hope you and re@ will never choose this way. > Either way, it is a productivity, communication drain. It is > a lose-lose situation no matter how one looks at it given the above > context. We either get chastised for being "too open" into insights > delaying an official announcement, or for being "not open enough" when > there is silence from RE when a release does not meet its scheduled > announcement date. IMHO, a delay should always be announced (perhaps unless it's only a few days). If it is too hard to decide on the right level of details, then only mention that some (potential or verified) problem is being looked upon, but don't let that prevent you from communicating. As for people saying that they have already installed the "release", I'd suggest to have some text on the website (https://www.freebsd.org/releng/ perhaps) explaining that images on mirrors can appear in advance of release announcements and that they should not be considered as official until the official mail is sent, and just kindly point them to it. I hope this can contribute to at least attenuating the drain you're experiencing. Regards. -- Olivier Certner From nobody Fri Nov 17 13:29:19 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWyVG0Cn0z50yLL; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:31:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:7400:8808:123::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SWyVF500qz3X4y; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Catflap-Envelope-From: Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 3AHDTLk6021700; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:29:21 GMT (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id 3AHDTJhH021698; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:29:19 GMT (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <202311171329.3AHDTJhH021698@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:29:19 +0000 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: jamie@catflap.org, gjb@freebsd.org Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Quick update to 14.0-RELEASE schedule References: <20231114203654.GB52320@FreeBSD.org> <20231115022701.GM1307@FreeBSD.org> <202311162122.3AGLMqsN086011@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> <20231116225246.GQ1307@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20231116225246.GQ1307@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [209.250.224.51]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:29:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:7400::/38, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SWyVF500qz3X4y Glen Barber wrote: > No. It merely suggests the release is not officially official yet. Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Jamie. 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In the past things like sudo su would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with sh I have to do sudo su -l root Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su to get the same behavior ? e.g. - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su Password: # ^D - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su -l root Password: - 0 root@mfitest1:~ # with su -l root, I get all the settings I have in .profile. Without '-l root', I am not sure what is getting set from where. 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In the past > things like > > sudo su > > would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with > sh I have to do > > sudo su -l root > > Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su > to get the same behavior ? > > > e.g. > > - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su > Password: > # ^D > - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su -l root > Password: > - 0 root@mfitest1:~ # > > with su -l root, I get all the settings I have in .profile. Without '-l > root', I am not sure what is getting set from where. But its different > as I can see it in the prompt being different ? > su by itself just switches your username, it doesn't pick up the rest of the environment settings like a proper login does. su - is what you are looking for, as that simulates a real login, picking up all the environment settings of the new user. sudo su - The reason it "worked" before is that you were changing shells when changing users, so it would read the shell startup config files. But it was still using the environment of the previous user. Now that both users are using the same shell, you have to force the "simulate login" part. Check the output of things like PATH and HOME and what not between your normal user and switching users via: sudo su sudo su - You'll be (mildly?) surprised by the output. :) --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com --000000000000011e72060a5d8e77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:41=E2=80=AFAM = mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net> = wrote:
I am trying to bring my environment along from previous v= ersions where
csh was the default shell and now trying to get used to sh. In the past things like

sudo su

would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with
sh I have to do

sudo su -l root

Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su
to get the same behavior ?


e.g.

- 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su
Password:
# ^D
- 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su -l root
Password:
- 0 root@mfitest1:~ #

with su -l root, I get all the settings I have in .profile. Without '-l=
root', I am not sure what is getting set from where. But its different =
as I can see=C2=A0 it in the prompt being different ?
=
su by itself just switches your username, it doesn't pic= k up the rest of the environment settings like a proper login does.
su - is what you are looking for, as that simulates a real login, pickin= g up all the environment settings of the new user.

sudo su -

The reason it "worked" before= is that you were changing shells when changing users, so it would read the= shell startup config files.=C2=A0 But it was still using the environment o= f the previous user.=C2=A0 Now that both users are using the same shell, yo= u have to force the "simulate login" part.

Check the output of things like PATH and HOME and what not between your = normal user and switching users via:
sudo su
sudo su -<= /div>

You'll be (mildly?) surprised by the output.= =C2=A0 :)


--
Fre= ddie Cash
fjwcash= @gmail.com
--000000000000011e72060a5d8e77-- From nobody Fri Nov 17 18:50:48 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX5b15tg9z51GWH for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 18:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch (mail-4318.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX5b13htnz3Cs9 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 18:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1700247065; x=1700506265; bh=mmNGojhJ9XpXM0pBMDLR8LWrFUKym9UhJZxkAyOtiPw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=MjSBtVidX+NsZnWrHTHdP/n8JTRB05WqMRx5uAyZNl7eVxIEC90aFfRwhvdAIsZ94 W6+sORom0eUTmfeXqXlTpHXsQ9lGVV64O4Hav2w48s+zySrryRtoD/wQBy1xq4TzHB PDWy0sz+PZWzuKB9VoIMvbM43wvGz9YU+6/r2Sa+qYpFK0B7493cTSR0qJRvbdSuD2 bUTYSWb0LmsdgRTjCvcHoGC5h6DpErg5vPAOV6sSxWnIh1KWrZ+GzkyVFDHFnVWqPS qAJKL+W8C/VHjuJh2up3v0alrdcof1EL7eff5Q5ALegucl+/CT1ITKR31z2qLcqS/I 04/9o+WqZKw6A== Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 18:50:48 +0000 To: mike tancsa From: Jonathan Adams Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------01d8d5240eeeda059b7308a8dc9475a1cd44516b060529819bafe05b5db1578c"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX5b13htnz3Cs9 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------01d8d5240eeeda059b7308a8dc9475a1cd44516b060529819bafe05b5db1578c Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------f33406cd2aef55375a07d425702f5fed -----------------------f33406cd2aef55375a07d425702f5fed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Friday, November 17th, 2023 at 1:40 PM, mike tancsa w= rote: > I am trying to bring my environment along from previous versions where > csh was the default shell and now trying to get used to sh. 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OK, but its doing something.  When I ssh into my account, I have setup things like my prompt to be PS1="- $? \u@\h:\w \\$ " But when I just "su" by it self, my prompt changes. So its picking up the new prompt somewhere else ?  Where is that being set ? I tried /etc/profile but nada e.g. - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ echo $PS1 - 0 \u@\h:\w \$ - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ - 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su Password: # # echo $PS1 # # PS1 being just "#" now     ---Mike --------------0AsDLP5lERDKUV1Ub2j83aOQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 11/17/2023 1:46 PM, Freddie Cash wrote:

su by itself just switches your username, it doesn't pick up the rest of the environment settings like a proper login does.

OK, but its doing something.  When I ssh into my account, I have setup things like my prompt to be

PS1="- $? \u@\h:\w \\$ "

But when I just "su" by it self, my prompt changes. So its picking up the new prompt somewhere else ?  Where is that being set ? I tried /etc/profile but nada


e.g.

- 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ echo $PS1
- 0 \u@\h:\w \$
- 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $

- 0 mike@mfitest1:~ $ su
Password:
#
# echo $PS1
#
#

PS1 being just "#" now

    ---Mike


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On 11/17/2023 1:50 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:
$ sudo su -


Thanks, but I am hoping to be able to just

sudo su

on all boxes I manage, RELENG_12 through 14.  I know its a minor annoyance, but I would like to avoid the inconsistent key strokes.

    ---Mike

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From nobody Fri Nov 17 19:01:38 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX5qc0sY0z51HJp for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch (mail-40135.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX5qb5qMmz3KJk for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfadams1963@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1700247717; x=1700506917; bh=FoRoDG3mA0e2uG6EzQROLX9rrk7/NbRoUeD79BfCD0I=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=aD1mAtdH2lQ/ikklj4I6p0WHNxd7tXSTmr4exj0BgSk0ICHYqPCR3y+KCu9pIX96K Wq+4dz2lF68VZmE86+cqHFfILSkRkrwcUa5wBJNhYmb44jbKapn3TuODd2wuxCaOeH /8fjTR8OFUJR1D6EwJJtNpZn0VgtQlts/J76w0qp5Q17Mq/JP93dF0cJ55mMyk8DNy mMWIk7eUWYuM4/IEacPL+A1LMl5dSKkbbzEEcBo93DzLociELsodm7CByRmx1NbI0g Cp9oc8b3pk0iu2qMEE/kUsvu/lDGwLlN0vDRyfg/QfQYLR+8pGCLBSMvXd/LzAKSoc FWJ1C2VJWTPWg== Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:01:38 +0000 To: mike tancsa From: Jonathan Adams Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> Feedback-ID: 80741059:user:proton List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------eaf2d8b49d39cff2c6e963fb8657e973297feb137c4b05fa8a71476052a8549a"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX5qb5qMmz3KJk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------eaf2d8b49d39cff2c6e963fb8657e973297feb137c4b05fa8a71476052a8549a Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------ec7b012e964ec3a685f1c4133153b02c -----------------------ec7b012e964ec3a685f1c4133153b02c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Friday, November 17th, 2023 at 1:56 PM, mike tancsa w= rote: > Thanks, but I am hoping to be able to just > = > sudo su > = > on all boxes I manage, RELENG_12 through 14. I know its a minor annoyanc= e, but I would like to avoid the inconsistent key strokes. Ah, understood. Been there. ;-) -Jonathan Adams ____________________________________________ "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. After Turing, numbers began doing things" - George Dyson > On 11/17/2023 1:50 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote: > = > > $ sudo su - > = > = > = > ---Mike -----------------------ec7b012e964ec3a685f1c4133153b02c-- --------eaf2d8b49d39cff2c6e963fb8657e973297feb137c4b05fa8a71476052a8549a Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmVXuHUJkI6O/sbt8r3IFiEEcBGzOO9wDbcpT/10jo7+xu3y vcgAAMP/AP9efPhqe91wq47cK3BGDC4vZvGNtbOsXxrFCeQuwSUrMAEA5qxp buDTGmWaykmboRfhqLRbxIf0souLZ+RA0GhHtAY= =D9eB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------eaf2d8b49d39cff2c6e963fb8657e973297feb137c4b05fa8a71476052a8549a-- From nobody Fri Nov 17 19:22:49 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX6Hr6zjLz51Hxf for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX6Hr2vb6z3MN5 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-543c3756521so3281103a12.2 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:23:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1700248981; x=1700853781; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2hMHrCE9O5J6Im9ddVquS79Z+uAhY/X5b4QxhiPDORE=; b=s4Aek/o3WWZg73RZiB3GYs/qG3ySgUR4GxRddTjM4I8nvhpenKvDrKLyY8Dk4kkhro 3AzvufweT/OLCHZQ9sLSfuXIQgJcGRTXzxwfFp2sx7aW8heCSMyZOhpBbBzd2dITGHVD HvPI0qXQHnJcVUi47Mcj6+uFS+zjse7FLszRXuNsb6jaiXws1sO3P3AFRA/U1P1kZwle /U2rbItj+kgZCKS39vxG6zBuZAQgPAiw/B86HCmCwYEKM8CvqRtUBdhTEIJk2ZtBrEBs WyBL9YNC6KWZizUU1cPtrI54hq0qwoKDjjRT/tlw8rnV1Z24xxQENabMvveQZ6duQUsI jFjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700248981; x=1700853781; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=2hMHrCE9O5J6Im9ddVquS79Z+uAhY/X5b4QxhiPDORE=; b=Ll12oSuzmRmxp8G2np3xkGD6lIlpAwsk5iNg1I04kJehFejB6yCF9aw1XiXFx1xu6Z 79xyvmNfMUAfRcU61cU2dUFFzM5POmFfmhK60PbtHuZwSbbNza2cpzMvQwFaKtjoyiK3 rch+VYWWrlHa+10YtHJp+WMSjk3KUeC+nm+qdbfg7PcFYpE11pJqar6eSRJQ1o+Hf4GT erOfgEjpBuFQ06gdHKCIAbm+sMfULrLHm+N7WIUUGKNngIxfhwK6C9ts8pT3Kq3GjUa1 Vh6EhePJkB05BH+lKAtrYh5aCVp2ccQjLJChw7DeL5IR2S8HqIdtH4kJnRARVJarzIdX J7jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzsihbQb7Wd2Wa6YtHjvjZd6liZObw+PrAW6qYWyTkl58iqfIQh c0yghx3ltVg/4k7dg8OwccHEFz/+usXwxuMqWiB8+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHO58s42m8iBkJnALmB84VkcKKj8KGNjtU3pCv2zr81Pa9wCJ5NG+lADKaPzF6grvt8K3zYOBKGlQqqwAP8Y3M= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:4409:b0:548:657c:9110 with SMTP id y9-20020a056402440900b00548657c9110mr568047eda.38.1700248980856; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 To: Jonathan Adams Cc: mike tancsa , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000088b5ed060a5e10f3" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX6Hr2vb6z3MN5 --00000000000088b5ed060a5e10f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I've done chsh :) On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 12:02 PM Jonathan Adams wrote: > On Friday, November 17th, 2023 at 1:56 PM, mike tancsa > wrote: > > > Thanks, but I am hoping to be able to just > > > > > sudo su > > > > > on all boxes I manage, RELENG_12 through 14. I know its a minor > annoyance, but I would like to avoid the inconsistent key strokes. > > Ah, understood. Been there. ;-) > > -Jonathan Adams > ____________________________________________ > "Before Turing, things were done to numbers. > After Turing, numbers began doing things" > - George Dyson > > > > > > On 11/17/2023 1:50 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote: > > > > > > $ sudo su - > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Mike --00000000000088b5ed060a5e10f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've done chsh :)=C2=A0=C2=A0
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On Fri= , Nov 17, 2023, 12:02 PM Jonathan Adams <jfadams1963@proton.me>= ; wrote:
On Friday, November 17th, = 2023 at 1:56 PM, mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net> wrote:

> Thanks, but I am hoping to be able to just
>

> sudo su
>

> on all boxes I manage, RELENG_12 through 14. I know its a minor annoya= nce, but I would like to avoid the inconsistent key strokes.

Ah, understood. Been there. ;-)

-Jonathan Adams
____________________________________________
"Before Turing, things were done to numbers.
After Turing, numbers began doing things"
- George Dyson




> On 11/17/2023 1:50 PM, Jonathan Adams wrote:
>

> > $ sudo su -
>

>

>


> ---Mike
--00000000000088b5ed060a5e10f3-- From nobody Fri Nov 17 19:41:41 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX6jT18zWz51JPH for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (tunnel82308-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "garrett.wollman.name", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX6jS5Vj0z3R2d for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3AHJffQ7090901 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:41:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3AHJffxS090900; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:41:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:41:41 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman To: mike tancsa Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 In-Reply-To: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 28.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:41:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS autolearn=disabled version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX6jS5Vj0z3R2d < said: > I am trying to bring my environment along from previous versions where > csh was the default shell and now trying to get used to sh. In the past > things like > sudo su > would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with > sh I have to do > sudo su -l root > Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su > to get the same behavior ? See sh(1) section "Invocation", which describes how /bin/sh reads its initialization files, and in particular, that (as POSIX specifies) interactive non-login shells do not read any startup files unless the environment variable `ENV` is set. This is stupid but required by the standard. I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files for all interactive shells, not just login shells. -GAWollman From nobody Fri Nov 17 19:46:53 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX6qZ0rDxz51JQ0 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smarthost1.sentex.ca", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX6qZ0N5Yz3SFf for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [199.212.134.19]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 3AHJkrVQ079493 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:46:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPV6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f15d:b8ed:b130:144e] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f15d:b8ed:b130:144e]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 3AHJkqCm026401 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:46:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------60vnQlmhRQx54s1j6i0U3hOl" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:46:53 -0500 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Content-Language: en-US To: Garrett Wollman Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> From: mike tancsa Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; keydata= xsBNBFywzOMBCACoNFpwi5MeyEREiCeHtbm6pZJI/HnO+wXdCAWtZkS49weOoVyUj5BEXRZP xflV2ib2hflX4nXqhenaNiia4iaZ9ft3I1ebd7GEbGnsWCvAnob5MvDZyStDAuRxPJK1ya/s +6rOvr+eQiXYNVvfBhrCfrtR/esSkitBGxhUkBjOti8QwzD71JVF5YaOjBAs7jZUKyLGj0kW yDg4jUndudWU7G2yc9GwpHJ9aRSUN8e/mWdIogK0v+QBHfv/dsI6zVB7YuxCC9Fx8WPwfhDH VZC4kdYCQWKXrm7yb4TiVdBh5kgvlO9q3js1yYdfR1x8mjK2bH2RSv4bV3zkNmsDCIxjABEB AAHNHW1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5uZXQ+wsCOBBMBCAA4FiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs 4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQeVOEFl5W rMiN6ggAk3H5vk8QnbvGbb4sinxZt/wDetgk0AOR9NRmtTnPaW+sIJEfGBOz47Xih+f7uWJS j+uvc9Ewn2Z7n8z3ZHJlLAByLVLtcNXGoRIGJ27tevfOaNqgJHBPbFOcXCBBFTx4MYMM4iAZ cDT5vsBTSaM36JZFtHZBKkuFEItbA/N8ZQSHKdTYMIA7A3OCLGbJBqloQ8SlW4MkTzKX4u7R yefAYQ0h20x9IqC5Ju8IsYRFacVZconT16KS81IBceO42vXTN0VexbVF2rZIx3v/NT75r6Vw 0FlXVB1lXOHKydRA2NeleS4NEG2vWqy/9Boj0itMfNDlOhkrA/0DcCurMpnpbM7ATQRcsMzk AQgA1Dpo/xWS66MaOJLwA28sKNMwkEk1Yjs+okOXDOu1F+0qvgE8sVmrOOPvvWr4axtKRSG1 t2QUiZ/ZkW/x/+t0nrM39EANV1VncuQZ1ceIiwTJFqGZQ8kb0+BNkwuNVFHRgXm1qzAJweEt RdsCMohB+H7BL5LGCVG5JaU0lqFU9pFP40HxEbyzxjsZgSE8LwkI6wcu0BLv6K6cLm0EiHPO l5G8kgRi38PS7/6s3R8QDsEtbGsYy6O82k3zSLIjuDBwA9GRaeigGppTxzAHVjf5o9KKu4O7 gC2KKVHPegbXS+GK7DU0fjzX57H5bZ6komE5eY4p3oWT/CwVPSGfPs8jOwARAQABwsB2BBgB CAAgFiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAl+pQfkCGwwACgkQeVOEFl5WrMiVqwf9GwU8 c6cylknZX8QwlsVudTC8xr/L17JA84wf03k3d4wxP7bqy5AYy7jboZMbgWXngAE/HPQU95NM aukysSnknzoIpC96XZJ0okLBXVS6Y0ylZQ+HrbIhMpuQPoDweoF5F9wKrsHRoDaUK1VR706X rwm4HUzh7Jk+auuMYfuCh0FVlFBEuiJWMLhg/5WCmcRfiuB6F59ZcUQrwLEZeNhF2XJV4KwB Tlg7HCWO/sy1foE5noaMyACjAtAQE9p5kGYaj+DuRhPdWUTsHNuqrhikzIZd2rrcMid+ktb0 NvtvswzMO059z1YGMtGSqQ4srCArju+XHIdTFdiIYbd7+jeehg== In-Reply-To: <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 64.7.153.18 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX6qZ0N5Yz3SFf This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------60vnQlmhRQx54s1j6i0U3hOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 11/17/2023 2:41 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits > your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate > package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files > for all interactive shells, not just login shells. Thanks for the clarifications.  With respect to changing root's shell, do I run the risk of breaking anything in, say, periodic that would rely on root's shell being one thing or another ?     ---Mike --------------60vnQlmhRQx54s1j6i0U3hOl Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 11/17/2023 2:41 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits 
your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate
package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files
for all interactive shells, not just login shells.

Thanks for the clarifications.  With respect to changing root's shell, do I run the risk of breaking anything in, say, periodic that would rely on root's shell being one thing or another ?

    ---Mike

--------------60vnQlmhRQx54s1j6i0U3hOl-- From nobody Fri Nov 17 19:55:28 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX71J6dvvz51K3Q for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (tunnel82308-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "garrett.wollman.name", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX71J5s3hz3TcR for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3AHJtTCS091013 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3AHJtTLY091012; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:55:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <25943.50480.709572.84563@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:55:28 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman To: mike tancsa Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 In-Reply-To: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 28.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=disabled version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX71J5s3hz3TcR < sai= d: > Thanks for the clarifications.=A0 With respect to changing root's she= ll,=20 > do I run the risk of breaking anything in, say, periodic that would r= ely=20 > on root's shell being one thing or another =3F periodic(8) is a /bin/sh script and does not depend on any particular user's shell. 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With respect to changing root's shell, > > do I run the risk of breaking anything in, say, periodic that would rely > > on root's shell being one thing or another ? > > periodic(8) is a /bin/sh script and does not depend on any particular > user's shell. It executes each action as a separate process, and all > of the supplied actions are also /bin/sh scripts. > When we changed it to csh, we didn't change anything else. It hasn't been hazardous in 30 years since 4.4 had all the old school issues fixed. Warner > --000000000000e90e2a060a5f7070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 12:55 PM Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org> wrote= :
<<On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:46= :53 -0500, mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net> said:

> Thanks for the clarifications.=C2=A0 With respect to changing root'= ;s shell,
> do I run the risk of breaking anything in, say, periodic that would re= ly
> on root's shell being one thing or another ?

periodic(8) is a /bin/sh script and does not depend on any particular
user's shell.=C2=A0 It executes each action as a separate process, and = all
of the supplied actions are also /bin/sh scripts.

When we changed it to csh,= we didn't change anything else. It hasn't been hazardous in 30 yea= rs since 4.4 had all the old school issues fixed.
Warner
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The .zfs/snapshot directory is readable, and can stat(2) the individual snapshot directories, but attempting to access the contents of the snapshots over NFS fails -- clients see either [ESTALE] or [EIO] depending on whether it's an NFSv3 or v4 mount. Has anyone else run into this? Did you find a solution? (I asked rmacklem@ and he said he doen't use ZFS and doesn't know the answer.) -GAWollman From nobody Fri Nov 17 21:57:42 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SX9kY4wshz51QZM for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 21:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail2.karels.net (mail2.karels.net [3.19.118.201]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freebsd", Issuer "freebsd" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SX9kX5ckvz3fv8 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 21:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mail2.karels.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by mail2.karels.net (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTP id 3AHLvhAv054644; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:57:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=karels.net; s=mail2; t=1700258263; bh=FUqZnBCIKQuhx5vScewZWxElVVr2ZgmOL34C8eed0Pk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=qF1gIBzK5jLgXP4uX2Y/RmiLxL7eRY0PH6DJ5GjhxYEMU/zHu97maosukuEziNnwx wA9H1izKkcBltWBIb2HkpzNoRspTgA5YfmmPPdNNtOJWUfN0i4VkO+NWo+vEJjgLhe RiJlV16O47E9Q93kjuZkccKUyzddpraTKQfzEk8kmy1nV0MY7F+rWPOHthHNgnvhzD bzRMhTLh4/9FGWbriXC9ddaQSiGjAoHl8pz7dgMHFWnXUkuRqi8yI6Z7v/KoyQrVYd LMmATT4s9xg4lEc3zpV4ZUv8Cxa7YBuqb1gF0cFaz1X3kgZyeABBFizT2W5xf5WZm/ ek+nwpYivEpCg== Received: from [10.0.2.130] ([73.62.165.147]) by mail2.karels.net with ESMTPSA id FgNxE9fhV2Vy1QAAs/W3XQ (envelope-from ); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:57:43 -0600 From: Mike Karels To: Garrett Wollman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 15:57:42 -0600 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5964) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.16.0.0/14, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SX9kX5ckvz3fv8 On 17 Nov 2023, at 15:04, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Hi, all, > > One other regression that we found after upgrading from 12.4 to 13.2 > on our NFS servers is that ZFS snapshots of exported filesystems are > no longer accessible to NFS clients. The .zfs/snapshot directory is > readable, and can stat(2) the individual snapshot directories, but > attempting to access the contents of the snapshots over NFS fails -- > clients see either [ESTALE] or [EIO] depending on whether it's an > NFSv3 or v4 mount. Has anyone else run into this? Did you find a > solution? I have not run into this, so I tried it just now. I had no problem. The server is 13.2, fully patched, the client is up-to-date -current, and the mount is v4. Mike > (I asked rmacklem@ and he said he doen't use ZFS and doesn't know the > answer.) > > -GAWollman From nobody Fri Nov 17 22:35:04 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXBYX6QVPz51SFQ for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (tunnel82308-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "garrett.wollman.name", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXBYX47Dxz4Hcq for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3AHMZ7NY095960 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:35:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3AHMZ7c9095959; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:35:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:35:04 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman To: Mike Karels Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken In-Reply-To: References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 28.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=disabled version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXBYX47Dxz4Hcq < said: > I have not run into this, so I tried it just now. I had no problem. > The server is 13.2, fully patched, the client is up-to-date -current, > and the mount is v4. On my 13.2 client and 13-stable server, I see: 25034 ls CALL open(0x237d32f9a000,0x120004) 25034 ls NAMI "/mnt/tools/.zfs/snapshot/weekly-2023-45" 25034 ls RET open 4 25034 ls CALL fcntl(0x4,F_ISUNIONSTACK,0x0) 25034 ls RET fcntl 0 25034 ls CALL getdirentries(0x4,0x237d32faa000,0x1000,0x237d32fa7028) 25034 ls RET getdirentries -1 errno 5 Input/output error 25034 ls CALL close(0x4) 25034 ls RET close 0 25034 ls CALL exit(0) Certainly a libc bug here that getdirentries(2) returning [EIO] results in ls(1) returning EXIT_SUCCESS, but the [EIO] error is consistent across both FreeBSD and Linux clients. Looking at this from the RPC side: (PUTFH, GETATTR, LOOKUP(snapshotname), GETFH, GETATTR) [NFS4_OK for all ops] (PUTFH, GETATTR) [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK] (PUTFH, ACCESS(0x3f), GETATTR) [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK, rights = 0x03, NFS4_OK] (PUTFH, GETATTR, LOOKUPP, GETFH, GETATTR) [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE] and at this point the [EIO] is returned. It seems that clients always do a LOOKUPP before calling READDIR, and this is failing when the subject file handle is the snapshot. The client is perfectly able to *traverse into* the snapshot: if I try to list a subdirectory I know exists in the snapshot, the client is able to LOOKUP(dirname) just fine, but LOOKUPP still fails with NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE *on the subndirectory*. -GAWollman From nobody Fri Nov 17 22:51:40 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXBwb5glRz51SHC for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (tunnel82308-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "garrett.wollman.name", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXBwb1wMZz4KGf for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu designates 2001:470:1f06:ccb::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=bimajority.org (policy=none) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3AHMpflP096086 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:51:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3AHMpf39096085; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:51:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <25943.61052.819616.445139@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:51:40 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman To: Mike Karels Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken In-Reply-To: <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 28.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:51:42 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=disabled version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.90 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[wollman@bimajority.org,wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[bimajority.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[wollman@bimajority.org,wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[wollman]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXBwb1wMZz4KGf X-Spamd-Bar: -- < Looking at this from the RPC side: > (PUTFH, GETATTR, LOOKUP(snapshotname), GETFH, GETATTR) > [NFS4_OK for all ops] > (PUTFH, GETATTR) > [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK] > (PUTFH, ACCESS(0x3f), GETATTR) > [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK, rights = 0x03, NFS4_OK] > (PUTFH, GETATTR, LOOKUPP, GETFH, GETATTR) > [NFS4_OK, NFS4_OK, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE] > and at this point the [EIO] is returned. For NFSv3, the client does a LOOKUP of the snapshot directory as before, then on the next round trip, the client calls ACCESS on the returned file handle and the server returns NFS3ERR_IO. GETATTR on the same file handle also returns NFS3ERR_IO. -GAWollman From nobody Fri Nov 17 23:22:18 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXCc44TfLz51V3V for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Received: from mail2.karels.net (mail2.karels.net [3.19.118.201]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freebsd", Issuer "freebsd" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXCc44333z4NsY for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mail2.karels.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by mail2.karels.net (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTP id 3AHNMJ8f055032; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:22:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mike@karels.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=karels.net; s=mail2; t=1700263339; bh=/oepaAJN1R4arfvPqKJOYCcnMZHVdX5g27XbweWuW0Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=eZjEX6eVr2OBYulL6qgHw8NlpHJ9qsaro7rLfci3KwR3+zKkqqpFK5zTPCaC2xk+B D+pCiuROVNv4FTzOLGEqQDg9vsGSh6rnwogRTdWjl8jtRfMlTqOKvvTjQvLDE5Wxty 1lLe9jBKiC8refBL7kJ2L384AU7FKOYHrnY5dIpswMEiLbsVsUJHYna8eVge31AeDt tIM2TJ5WKCRDVSN9B3qGqKq+ZN1DsKfckUQdg1bDToEagddmWknVE0EIDampdOQlXY zVxO0v5TLpifP/EDE3szIi7XTsQotCokazJ1gw+APVyR907m6RKaA9YsZaQEKiGcr5 N2ZCHQD4klx5A== Received: from [10.0.2.130] ([73.62.165.147]) by mail2.karels.net with ESMTPSA id DrD4Cqv1V2X21gAAs/W3XQ (envelope-from ); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:22:19 -0600 From: Mike Karels To: Garrett Wollman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:22:18 -0600 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5964) Message-ID: <5D602618-7031-4D0E-A439-6A3E4F174926@karels.net> In-Reply-To: <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.16.0.0/14, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXCc44333z4NsY On 17 Nov 2023, at 16:35, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > >> I have not run into this, so I tried it just now. I had no problem. >> The server is 13.2, fully patched, the client is up-to-date -current, >> and the mount is v4. > > On my 13.2 client and 13-stable server, I see: I set up ZFS on a 13-stable system that doesn't normally run ZFS. Mounting from a 13.2 system using v3, I get the EIO errors. Unless there is some other variable, it sounds like something broke in the nfs server code between 13.2 and a month or so ago (my 13-stable kernel is from Oct 7). 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Colin Percival will take over this role, and I will act as his Deputy Lead unless and until he finds a more suitable person to fill this role. Regardless, I do not have any immediate plans to resign from the RE Team as a whole, and though Colin has proved during the 13.2-RELEASE cycle that he is fully capable of overtaking this role, I will remain active on the team and will be available to him to provide any guidance or insights as needed. I personally want to thank Colin for accepting this role change. I have worked with Colin for several years directly, and indirectly, much longer than I can remember. As I am sure many of you all are aware, Colin served the Project as the Security Officer for several years, and authored important utilities used by many within the community, such as portsnap and freebsd-update. I have sent and received acknowledgement from the Core Team of this decision to step aside, which was well received and no objection to me selecting Colin to be my successor had been posed. Colin, thank you, again, for overtaking this role, and as we discussed, I will be here to provide any needed guidance, insight, or information as you need. As I had mentioned to you, I do not have any immediate plans to leave the Team, nor do I have any question in my mind that you are the obvious successor to this role. I am proud to be able to hand over the proverbial torch to you, and look very much forward to your successes as the Release Engineering Team Lead. It has been an absolute pleasure to be able to serve you all to the best of my abilities over the past several years. With my very best regards to all involved in the Project, and nothing but the best intentions of the Project in mind. 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I had no problem. >>> The server is 13.2, fully patched, the client is up-to-date -current, >>> and the mount is v4. >> >> On my 13.2 client and 13-stable server, I see: > > I set up ZFS on a 13-stable system that doesn't normally run ZFS. > Mounting from a 13.2 system using v3, I get the EIO errors. Unless there > is some other variable, it sounds like something broke in the nfs server > code between 13.2 and a month or so ago (my 13-stable kernel is from > Oct 7). Looks like main still has this problem. I exported a ZFS file system from a 15-current system to the same 13.2 client, and it exhibits the problem (EIO from NFSv3). So the problem is most likely in 14.0 as well. Mike From nobody Sat Nov 18 00:44:19 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXFQY2rNzz51Ycm for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 00:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (tunnel82308-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:ccb::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "garrett.wollman.name", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXFQY0Wxyz4ZZ1 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 00:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hergotha.csail.mit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 3AI0iJHp096931 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:44:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by hergotha.csail.mit.edu (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 3AI0iJJX096930; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:44:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <25944.2275.188884.629577@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:44:19 -0500 From: Garrett Wollman To: Mike Karels Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken In-Reply-To: <36C8AB52-B78A-4515-8849-3CC46C5AF1A6@karels.net> References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5D602618-7031-4D0E-A439-6A3E4F174926@karels.net> <36C8AB52-B78A-4515-8849-3CC46C5AF1A6@karels.net> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 28.2 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (hergotha.csail.mit.edu [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:44:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=disabled version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on hergotha.csail.mit.edu X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXFQY0Wxyz4ZZ1 < said: > Looks like main still has this problem. I exported a ZFS file system from > a 15-current system to the same 13.2 client, and it exhibits the problem > (EIO from NFSv3). So the problem is most likely in 14.0 as well. Glad someone was able to reproduce. I don't have any systems I can easily pave over to try to bisect. I spent an hour looking at git and I really don't see any obvious culprits. -GAWollman From nobody Sat Nov 18 03:30:19 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXK6J0LW3z51hJ5 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 03:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x429.google.com (mail-pf1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXK6H5nT2z4nnq for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 03:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pf1-x429.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6c115026985so2734953b3a.1 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:30:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1700278230; x=1700883030; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=FMPQzAm/AJ+0PXs8sjq2g610NnOWqH7BgKDE1vonc/s=; b=PNIer8guqPxdyTP5P5waq97zpLewGRE60F2SC20EmaP61iyNlxPEs+ZDvBmnJ1hqUx MkyujcPl3JaweDSTO41nZ4ZQ0lj+66kE2VW1g1iMtidr+hQkqDS/RvWQnEYyCKGdUkBl DzuBHUDYrDnF2kNBKXeD0OKLLrCCIyV26ffXnnKCDwnlVmbbcPimrGJTHEMKj7CRAtSg t5YSsVQzuUmgkErYt3cgv0z1kFMhb03wCrVz81S2Msct1Xd1LKjYzocwf3Ocw5/7NFAb r4i7KEbA6jCB7+z+MVzbG2lmjhajvuynfGLyL7jMtikL/5PkVRI4tNTl8jv+vPMBgodZ c62Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1700278230; x=1700883030; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FMPQzAm/AJ+0PXs8sjq2g610NnOWqH7BgKDE1vonc/s=; b=VF7TXtUbNSgaGnuosCXJ59+eWRiuPrFw/r4l5OfWYpVOauDjZH2xmXlgqy2j9r7n2D ovOEPSTa78HtswD3rGH9FEzCK2uX7mREdDn1uyjfOaqIzvKcfCWTfYjUKkM94piiCc51 O664eIWYZLZFhPyhOpjLIw6slw98yaTJfc6RSkqqvEvBiR9Qt8U7ucZ3d7PP1DNwaaBv 7szMfcHak4TUkx8fai0HfNCamRozz+3Z+qeakWaXWDQ8CxayOO5Uo1jJxgF9DxyAq3xC KlI6NJNh4eeuz6IE6YiCTfv3zxM1B6a3uLJOTU1pCV0NqSVVMKM3/9QvfTcgl3nWH9FG tItQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw4+NlHxTMLxLi6cxbFvkreVBSbKddqpqjmiLVzdKBcdXZLvEYs Qz8zaxsP7heSa0Qosfml9lD26h36rOIwjjanpQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHC+xnArcrCzS7DoHqYQc/uHONa7gwHl8mRfEvalJfgc7Uh1SyCFj9rmFMSHsilvWrHklYKNE0BXn+0E0YwtQY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1d8a:b0:6bd:a8a3:cc59 with SMTP id z10-20020a056a001d8a00b006bda8a3cc59mr1627814pfw.24.1700278230088; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:30:30 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5D602618-7031-4D0E-A439-6A3E4F174926@karels.net> <36C8AB52-B78A-4515-8849-3CC46C5AF1A6@karels.net> <25944.2275.188884.629577@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <25944.2275.188884.629577@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> From: Rick Macklem Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:30:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Mike Karels , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXK6H5nT2z4nnq On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 7:10=E2=80=AFPM Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > Looks like main still has this problem. I exported a ZFS file system f= rom > > a 15-current system to the same 13.2 client, and it exhibits the proble= m > > (EIO from NFSv3). So the problem is most likely in 14.0 as well. > > Glad someone was able to reproduce. I don't have any systems I can > easily pave over to try to bisect. I spent an hour looking at git > and I really don't see any obvious culprits. Just fyi for everyone, I've sent a simple patch that I think disables the j= ail checking stuff to Mike and hopefully he can try it. I now see that all the "run nfsd(8) in vnet jails" is not in releng/13.2, but is in stable/13. If it does fix the problem, then I'll have to dig into the ZFS code to try = and figure out how to fix this, yuck! 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In the past >> things like > >> sudo su > >> would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with >> sh I have to do > >> sudo su -l root > >> Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su >> to get the same behavior ? > > See sh(1) section "Invocation", which describes how /bin/sh reads its > initialization files, and in particular, that (as POSIX specifies) > interactive non-login shells do not read any startup files unless the > environment variable `ENV` is set. This is stupid but required by the > standard. > > I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits > your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate > package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files > for all interactive shells, not just login shells. Though it was worse when upgrading using portupgrade and less likely to be an issue with packages, I would still consider trying to keep root's shell as a shell that is part of base and if I really wanted a different one then I would have a 3rd party shell get launched from a shell from base as part of the sign in process so it could 'fall back' to skipping the launch if it fails. This comes from having had issues with 3rd party shells not functioning for reasons such as it depending on a library that failed to install properly. I do not have my desktop boot into X automatically or use a graphical login manager for the same reason; problems are easier to fix when you can still log in successfully. 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boundary="------------1LEAolnHsw39SK3qkkf3oM0i" Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:29:08 +0100 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 To: stable@freebsd.org References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Content-Language: en-US From: Marek Zarychta Autocrypt: addr=zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; keydata= xsBNBFfi3cMBCADLecMTFXad4uDXqv3eRuB4qJJ8G9tzzFezeRnnwxOsPdytW5ES2z1ibSrR IsiImx6+PTqrAmXpTInxAi7yiZGdSiONRI4CCxKY9d1YFiNYT/2WyNXCekm9x29YeIU7x0JB Llbz0f/9HC+styBIu2H+PY/X98Clzm110CS+n/b9l1AtiGxTiVFj7/uavYAKxH6LNWnbkuc5 v8EVNc7NkEcl5h7Z9X5NEtzDxTOiBIFQ/kOT7LAtkYUPo1lqLeOM2DtWSXTXQgXl0zJI4iP1 OAu4qQYm2nXwq4b2AH9peknelvnt1mpfgDCGSKnhc26q6ibTfMwydp+tvUtQIQYpA6b9ABEB AAHNN01hcmVrIFphcnljaHRhIChQbGFuLWIpIDx6YXJ5Y2h0YW1AcGxhbi1iLnB3c3RlLmVk dS5wbD7CwHcEEwEIACEFAlfi4LkCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQgJCgsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQHZW8 vIFppoJXdgf8D9X3VRFSNaR9lthSx/+uqas17J3FJKBo1xMQsC2a+44vzNvYJSuPGLLJ+LW2 HPVazjP/BWZJbxOYpliY4zxNRU0YCp0BLIVLibc//yax+mE42FND/+NiIZhqJscl6MLPrSwo sIwXec4XYkldkyqW/xBbBYXoIkBqdKB9j5j42Npy1IV/RizOSdmvTWY27ir8e/yGMR1RLr4F 8P5K3OWTdlGy2H2F/3J8bIPBLG6FpaIyLQw4dHSx8V02PYqDxK1cNo2kAOnU8PnZL/AGuMOH iv3MN1VYL8ehcmpBBsrZGebQJxrjY2/5IaTSgp9xHYT70kshuU6Qb97vk1mOjNZxgc7ATQRX 4t3DAQgA10h6RCXuBLMHxq5B8X/ZIlj9sgLoeyfRdDZEc9rT2KUeUJVHDsbvOFf4/7F1ovWY hJbA6GK/LUZeHHTjnbZcH1uDYQeHly4UOLxeEvhGoz4JhS2C7JzN/uRnwbdOAUbJr8rUj/IY a7gk906rktsc/Ldrxrxh7O6WO0JCh2XO/p4pDfEwwB37g4xHprSab28ECYJ9JMbtA8Sy4M55 g3+GQ28FvSlGnx48OoGXU2BZdc1vZKSQmNOlikB+9/hDX8zdYWVfDaX1TLQ8Ib4+xTUmapza mV/bxIsaZRBw+jFjLQHhTbIMfPEU+4mxFDvTdbKPruKPqVf1ydgMnPZWngowdwARAQABwsBf BBgBCAAJBQJX4t3DAhsMAAoJEB2VvLyBaaaC6qkIAJs9sDPqrqW0bYoRfzY6XjDWQ59p9tJi v8aogxacQNCfAu+WkJ8PNVUtC1dlVcG5NnZ80gXzd1rc8ueIvXlvdanUt/jZd8jbb3gaDbK3 wh1yMCGBl/1fOJTyEGYv1CRojv97KK89KP5+r8x1P1iHcSrunlDNqGxTMydNCwBH23QcOM+m u4spKnJ/s0VRBkw3xoKBZfZza6fTQ4gTpAipjyk7ldOGBV+PvkKATdhK2yLwuWXhKbg/GRlD 1r5P0gxzSqfV4My+KJuc2EDcrqp1y0wOpE1m9iZqCcd0fup5f7HDsYlLWshr7NQl28f6+fQb sylq/j672BHXsdeqf/Ip9V4= In-Reply-To: <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.68 / 15.00]; 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Over the years many people have gotten used to csh which is really tcsh in our case, and those who are fully aware, change the shell to csh immediately after installation. No survey was taken among users, but I bet that for interactive use tcsh from the base would beat sh from the base and many users share the same user experience. The change of root's shell from csh to sh was to attract a new generation of admins who were used to bash and similar shells. There is no turning back, no escape from this trend. We will probably also transit with $EDITOR from vi to ee in the future. It would be best to choose the root's shell from the installer right before/after setting the root's password. Best regards -- Marek Zarychta --------------1LEAolnHsw39SK3qkkf3oM0i Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
W dniu 17.11.2023 o 20:41, Garrett Wollman pisze:
I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits
your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate
package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files
for all interactive shells, not just login shells.
Over the years many people have gotten used to csh which is really tcsh in our case, and those who are fully aware, change the shell to csh immediately after installation. No survey was taken among users, but I bet that for interactive use tcsh from the base would beat sh from the base and many users share the same user experience. The change of root's shell from csh to sh was to attract a new generation of admins who were used to bash and similar shells. There is no turning back, no escape from this trend. We will probably also transit with $EDITOR from vi to ee in the future.

It would be best to choose the root's shell from the installer right before/after setting the root's password.

Best regards

-- 

Marek Zarychta
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Stefaniak" To: Marek Zarychta Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-ID: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On 2023-11-18 10:29:08, Marek Zarychta wrote: >The change of root's shell from csh to sh was to attract a new >generation of admins who were used to bash and similar shells. There is >no turning back, no escape from this trend. We will probably also >transit with $EDITOR from vi to ee in the future. I know you're trolling, but to make it clear: that was not the reason. 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Stefaniak" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-ID: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:206006, ipnet:2001:678:618::/48, country:PL] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXVcG4yncz4HXZ Dnia Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:44:18AM +0100, Piotr P. Stefaniak napisał(a): > On 2023-11-18 10:29:08, Marek Zarychta wrote: > > The change of root's shell from csh to sh was to attract a new > > generation of admins who were used to bash and similar shells. There is > > no turning back, no escape from this trend. We will probably also > > transit with $EDITOR from vi to ee in the future. > > I know you're trolling, but to make it clear: that was not the reason. > > Piotr In what way am I trolling? I have been a FreeBSD user for over 25 years. I had no insight and I don't know why the root shell was changed. The fact that tcsh is left in base is enough for me. Wait a few more years and you will see that the default editor will be changed too. The nano editor is copyleft licensed, in base we have ee, so this is a natural path. 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Sat, 18 Nov 2023 07:01:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:01:51 +0000 From: void To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: pf is broken in stable/14-n265566-4533fa42ad91 arm64 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.970]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[64.147.123.19:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.19]; 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Source upgrade yesterday to stable/14-n265566 and pf is now broken. # service pf status /usr/src/sys/contrib/libnv/nvlist.c:379: Element 'halfopen_states' of type NUMBER doesn't exist. Abort trap (core dumped) To try and debug, I disabled all pf-related things in rc.conf and loader.conf, and tried to load things manually then apply a very basic pf config file /etc/pf.basic # kldload pf # # pfctl -nvf /etc/pf.basic ext_if = "genet0" block drop in all pass in on genet0 proto tcp from any to any port = ssh flags S/SA keep state pass out all flags S/SA keep state # pfctl -evf /etc/pf.basic No ALTQ support in kernel ALTQ related functions disabled ext_if = "genet0" pfctl: DIOCADDRULENV: Argument list too long When the problem was first identified, this appeared at the console on bootup: ### Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: Enabling pfpfctl: DIOCADDRULENV: Argument list too long Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: /etc/rc: WARNING: Unable to load /etc/pf.conf. Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: /etc/rc: WARNING: Loading fallback rules: block drop log all Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: pfctl: DIOCADDRULENV: Argument list too long Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: /usr/src/sys/contrib/libnv/nvlist.c:379: Element 'halfopen_states' of type NUMBER doesn't exist. Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: Abort trap (core dumped) Nov 13 12:18:05 redacted kernel: . Note the pfpfctl above [1] raspberry pi 4b+ 8GB -- From nobody Sat Nov 18 12:14:54 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXXlv3Fdhz512r8 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (mailgate.leidinger.net [IPv6:2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXXlt5xm8z4TZq for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=leidinger.net header.s=outgoing-alex header.b=pIzlRb7C; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of Alexander@Leidinger.net designates 2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=Alexander@Leidinger.net; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=leidinger.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1700309711; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=UUNRjOMBjJqAwh5PDeVvrZ5BXxCABRJkxcT7u8Vmh9w=; b=pIzlRb7C9BIUckhkgLvpkrktz0S6/FzVddxTVkYuWjQ2utQTuwunqWS2anrGz1XBc/x79F 1eAHV2HXeicQH2Ux+su9CxZahPU+H6hFiLp77VfiAvprPU7KEiZXwm5HVEqkaGV10veXQo c6MfOZaxWnExX4mTzKems4mgpCw9OzjAhB5Ps8Ah889XVAucUWvdHOSJrhRWHt/nLddud9 0m75vVmzaFMic0dKR3mYUBmMnWuO8MDYIQsXEqd0mPHO3yGPoTEK8jxuFDfsPS11EiXEEq RvpsJ+HF9ymorQq1HsExm5oXzbz9wDYEdo7NDrjYLSOeseDsDAmweXDBAGQbmg== Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:14:54 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Rick Macklem Cc: Garrett Wollman , Mike Karels , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS exports of ZFS snapshots broken In-Reply-To: References: <25943.54632.572766.121032@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <25943.60056.880614.452966@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <5D602618-7031-4D0E-A439-6A3E4F174926@karels.net> <36C8AB52-B78A-4515-8849-3CC46C5AF1A6@karels.net> <25944.2275.188884.629577@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Message-ID: <3cabbe17c681733f4e92b5558095ffd3@Leidinger.net> X-Sender: Alexander@Leidinger.net Organization: No organization, this is a private message. 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I exported a ZFS file system from >> > a 15-current system to the same 13.2 client, and it exhibits the problem >> > (EIO from NFSv3). So the problem is most likely in 14.0 as well. >> >> Glad someone was able to reproduce. I don't have any systems I can >> easily pave over to try to bisect. I spent an hour looking at git >> and I really don't see any obvious culprits. > Just fyi for everyone, I've sent a simple patch that I think disables > the jail > checking stuff to Mike and hopefully he can try it. I now see that all > the > "run nfsd(8) in vnet jails" is not in releng/13.2, but is in stable/13. > > If it does fix the problem, then I'll have to dig into the ZFS code to > try and > figure out how to fix this, yuck! > > Hopefully Mike can determine if this is the problem, rick If this doesn't fix the issue, the relevant people could check "zfs get snapdir pool" between a working and a non-working setup as a next trial&error step. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF --=_6ccf7613c25c5e5641af43391d0647f7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc; size=833 Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEER9UlYXp1PSd08nWXEg2wmwP42IYFAmVYqssACgkQEg2wmwP4 2IabMQ//VmSuhVfzh+A9oWwPJEX3pY3iXn3dYZVZIQlPPZjjH3nauyHn765E7c9V NbyWr7Aq2QgbuyITZAXVv1IoIpeKfy6xFOlZEg0iWSxlNvnYU7clg+L30zrfbjfy 75H02sZ4WN9GAGwKGGUlYgG5wOMM9yzjPe7lNUP9w7HBi/UMpMN22vrD+6wbwF5i TVx7Oegy6yyruj2vLddl8cFTlgIz8Un8mm7RLxf48Be8oocELhr5wyu3i/OV9kgE 1FWkR8AKMWFZ+whyfxiY8hDrV7dN4JjfyNkYY3caPL2Us/NAaikLk5D9vK+vmaGE aRvS+gNWEqWEltrbQdBT4WNbEKUD6eemLheQwetStMYHeInyzm+dS4q26nlrVL5Y PSFoy7hfbT1NVH+HGtd5UC2JvqlNSqi6ikXnpT9ncW/6750VSXYHCRtC4CoHgp1Q FHadGvnGI0on4v08IWH01t5vGdek8Z5KtPpxpGOuEVTs4hldZVUv6p3eQkGA0kMf IcfbcJYaQlqGz3ZjLnp0zragwqbjAGpthsaaUsG3VwBRtQsWlwzY/gLfjgEzYi+R IHuUOYVPIz+8Kvg8yZ19BA5RVmmK7l5K8ztC0q1k51sqEsNeD6oTNpX25KSMiPIa N315SZE4aed6P/d9cHOMqr5go1Q89RncY9L7AyMnAeUOyOenClg= =aEGz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_6ccf7613c25c5e5641af43391d0647f7-- From nobody Sat Nov 18 12:18:18 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXXqX2wcvz5130Z for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:18:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: from nuc.oldach.net (hmo.in-vpn.de [IPv6:2001:67c:1407:60::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hmo.in-vpn.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXXqW2fgBz4VhT for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@oldach.net designates 2001:67c:1407:60::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@oldach.net; dmarc=none Received: from nuc.oldach.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPS id 3AICIIiT096790 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:18:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by nuc.oldach.net (8.17.2/8.17.2) id 3AICIISD096789 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:18:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@oldach.net) Message-Id: <202311181218.3AICIISD096789@nuc.oldach.net> Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 In-Reply-To: <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "17 Nov 2023 14:41:41" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:18:18 +0100 (CET) From: freebsd@oldach.net (Helge Oldach) X-No-Archive: Yes List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (nuc.oldach.net [0.0.0.0]); Sat, 18 Nov 2023 13:18:18 +0100 (CET) for IP:127.0.0.1 DOMAIN:localhost HELO:nuc.oldach.net FROM:freebsd@oldach.net RCPT: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.970]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.65)[-0.650]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[oldach.net]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29670, ipnet:2001:67c:1400::/45, country:DE]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXXqW2fgBz4VhT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Garrett Wollman wrote on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 20:41:41 +0100 (CET): > I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits > your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate > package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files > for all interactive shells, not just login shells. Why not use toor for tinkering with shell (or keep it at the default /bin/sh) and leave root's /bin/csh intact for emergency? Kind regards Helge From nobody Sat Nov 18 12:45:43 2023 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXYR34SLDz514WN for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXYR20BZQz4YZP for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp has no SPF policy when checking 153.125.133.21) smtp.mailfrom=junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp; dmarc=none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-22-158.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.22.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.16.1/8.16.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 3AICjiOR062823 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 21:45:44 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 21:45:43 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-Id: <20231118214543.d58208170ca51ecc08ccddeb@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.43 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.933]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sakura.ne.jp]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXYR20BZQz4YZP X-Spamd-Bar: - On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 02:07:24 -0700 "Edward Sanford Sutton, III" wrote: > On 11/17/23 12:41, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > >> I am trying to bring my environment along from previous versions where > >> csh was the default shell and now trying to get used to sh. In the past > >> things like > > > >> sudo su > > > >> would pick up my settings in /root/.cshrc automatically. However, with > >> sh I have to do > > > >> sudo su -l root > > > >> Is there a way to configure it so I dont need the -l as part of the su > >> to get the same behavior ? > > > > See sh(1) section "Invocation", which describes how /bin/sh reads its > > initialization files, and in particular, that (as POSIX specifies) > > interactive non-login shells do not read any startup files unless the > > environment variable `ENV` is set. This is stupid but required by the > > standard. > > > > I would recommend changing root's shell to something that better suits > > your needs: either change it back to csh, or install the appropriate > > package and set it to bash or zsh, both of which read startup files > > for all interactive shells, not just login shells. > > Though it was worse when upgrading using portupgrade and less likely to > be an issue with packages, I would still consider trying to keep root's > shell as a shell that is part of base and if I really wanted a different > one then I would have a 3rd party shell get launched from a shell from > base as part of the sign in process so it could 'fall back' to skipping > the launch if it fails. This comes from having had issues with 3rd party > shells not functioning for reasons such as it depending on a library > that failed to install properly. I do not have my desktop boot into X > automatically or use a graphical login manager for the same reason; > problems are easier to fix when you can still log in successfully. I > have not often had such issues, but I certainly have had them. > > > -GAWollman Just a FYI: I'm using zsh as interactive shell for now, and I have the line below in ~/.tcshrc.mine, keeping base tcsh as login shell. if ( -X zsh && -f ~/.Use_zsh ) exec zsh This way, if zsh is executable in the path AND ~/.Use_zsh exists, zsh is executed, otherwise tcsh keeps running as interactive shell. If zsh accidentally (or intentionally) dissappears, base tcsh is used. Assuming zsh is available and executable, I can intentionally create ~/.Use_zsh (`touch ~/.Use_zsh` is enough) to use zsh and delete it to use base tcsh. -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Sat Nov 18 17:52:34 2023 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXhF21svpz51Pkh for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrichhartzer@tuta.io) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXhF11CsRz3Vbb for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:52:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrichhartzer@tuta.io) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tuta.io header.s=s1 header.b=f0wwlt6n; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of henrichhartzer@tuta.io designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=henrichhartzer@tuta.io; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tuta.io Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15ABFBFAD4; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1700329954; s=s1; d=tuta.io; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=N38UbtZCZaIVBLnw/YFwM6MApT1dztpgpQb9qlhWuyA=; b=f0wwlt6nAekj9Kb1OE1G6JBmOzFlx0FPlOly6PvU5UpFBIIBv35UgH2oanjdg63L XG5AMaWaH4BTRzLcxCEUmteaQHcPahUWB2xRg1l/d1dGhAYDDlU4e06fqFg9rTQqgvN LzjKA3pZ+eaZfp9lFLE28U3M2E6Gj+KbB4JrOhTwCFXJUJfD9h0aRxBsbt90SgG9Mvy oz2e02VpxvPP+emNrCzX8zSe9pRXgV8cb8fbuNx9CQposO/C7pWNwfNNQn3HK6gbV2c q+8kUI7eEHoWXcywi0pI17EDQ2iBVY3EOV7uDe3rygdApV4ywRMO48dTNIBsxMYst4A NF71XE/iww== Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 18:52:34 +0100 (CET) From: henrichhartzer@tuta.io To: Paul Dufresne Cc: stable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18b78476914.e31ef40044402.789687992348441821@zoho.com> References: <18b78476914.e31ef40044402.789687992348441821@zoho.com> Subject: Re: So much longer to update than install fresh (+ no install feedback) List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tuta.io,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[81.3.6.162:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tuta.io:s=s1]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[zoho.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[stable@freebsd.org]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tuta.io:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXhF11CsRz3Vbb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Hi Paul, I didn't see any other response to this. Is there a ZFS performance regression in 14.0? I wonder what a filesystem benchmark would show. Thanks for your tests! -Henrich Oct 28, 2023, 21:54 by dufresnep@zoho.com: > I realized that my previous message was a bit not precise. > > So, armed with the knowledge that "freebsd-update install" generally finish, I reinstalled 13.2 (which felt like 5 to 7 mins, did not clocked). > Was zfs default install (without ssh server). > > Then I updated the 44 patches for 13.2, then rebooted. > > I then used "/usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update -r 14.0-BETA1 upgrade" to clock it > (/usr/bin is necessary, else an internal time command is used, -h=humanly readable). > > It took a bit less than 20 mins to get the 10750 patches, apply them, and then get the 1309 files. > > Then the "/usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update install" before the reboot took 35.4 seconds. > > And then the "usr/bin/time -h freebsd-update install" after the reboot took: > 42m49s (1m20s user, 1m27s sys). > > My hardware is a i3-8100 with a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 of 250 Gbytes. > > So about 1h to get the first step from 13.2 to 14.0 (still needs Beta2, Beta3, Beta4, Beta5, rc1, rc2 and rc3 to be done). > > Again... first point is that seems so much slower than a fresh install, second, really not much feedback during install phase of the upgrade. >