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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d53c08fd5caffc3703a841f0c8884297; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <20240115072732.85c2213714a658d3b98ab830@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:13:06 -0800 Cc: Olivier Certner , Current FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <259993C7-D14C-48CC-9593-25FCC1741115@yahoo.com> References: <3183964.fD0qBhBWp0@ravel> <6A477CBE-692E-49F9-B21E-2C0D29F09766@yahoo.com> <20240115072732.85c2213714a658d3b98ab830@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: Tomoaki AOKI X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TCt0364gQz4fFl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Jan 14, 2024, at 14:27, Tomoaki AOKI = wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:53:34 -0800 > Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Jan 14, 2024, at 08:39, Olivier Certner wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Mark, >>>=20 >>>> I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never = propose >>>> changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. >>>=20 >>> With this mail, you're giving more detailed objections on the = social/political aspects of the proposed changed, or as we usually say = more simply, POLA. >>>=20 >>> All your points are already largely weakened by the fact that, to = wrap-up in a single sentence at the risk of being slightly caricatural = (but then see my other mails), nobody really seems to care seriously = about access times. >>=20 >> I seriously care about having a lack of access times. Yet, I've no >> objection to needing to be explicit about it in commands and >> subroutine interfaces, given the long standing interfaces (defaults). >> It would be different if I could not achieve the lack of access >> times. That defaults do not block having the desired settings makes >> the change optional, not technically required. The defaults are, >> thus, primarily social/political aspects of interfaces, not >> technical requirements to make things work. >>=20 >> Given that, I explicitly claim that avoiding POLA at this late stage >> is my preference for the priority of competing considerations. I >> make no claim of knowing the majority view of the tradeoffs. I would >> claim that, if the majority is not by just some marginal amount, >> contradicting that majority view for this would not be appropriate. >> (Again: the social/political aspects.) >>=20 >> And, hopefully, this is my last contribution to this particular >> bike shed. >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >=20 > I would prefer violating POLA here, with, for example, forcing admins > to choose explicitly with installer menu I've not reported any objection to bsdinstall having explicit choices required in its menus. Nor to changing how, say, official snapshots are generated (so long as well notified and documented). If my wording was unclear on that, I'm sorry. My focus was on things like mount command notation and /etc/fstab notation (that tracks mount defaults) or subroutine interface equivalents of such things and changing their behavior without requiring changing the notation already in place in various files. (I've tried to word the above without making new points, avoiding contributing more to the bike shed material.) > Choose whether you need to retain last file access time or not: > 1: Don't keep (current default) > 2: Keep last one (default before 15.0) >=20 > by hand, or via installer configuration or additional scripts. > Of course, existing installations should not be affected. >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Mon Jan 15 00:41:31 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TCtcr1P2yz577XH for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic308-8.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic308-8.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.68.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TCtcq5twkz4k14 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1705279305; bh=w6djuVBFdOzva80qF36vfV7zqU3KW/ZZvm8t/9x4oyY=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=Xsv9uzndzzKgzOQ8FtKxH11TkB3vuYbIbzm8vRpKo1dCAgCsEb1GrL5Va66A2FzW7rpbga0q3PSNBrNBMmt0OPAdYUuKA7m+29jDp5kSQht8zs9rjUty8nYyrwLVh2xsgl6dP5SYUlg3VaAJZ3jgp1yuJwMMPPU9Am9qHn1WnkCa2QcRIFr+yrNJbFqu2aevUck+AIt0gigZja1MMwmMSSESUDnCmrTCZqZQ9w2a5Ud2/LUFQZiqWAdW0kWWaf4m+akLvtTwT8byp4nhpjKIZueWDgLSCDFF1v8tnP8wfFFGmMOGFWOJDXR61PuSk8Ea0kyp3XDDCdOkw33o7Vwi7w== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1705279305; bh=riJpU4D8dnEjGx1OaxOCpc8NnA7RtGc5VTOWdjnCCfA=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Subject:From:Date:To:From:Subject; b=DmHQB93j7lQqAD9CTKyOF8dOwPmPagTcXzkUZT3x1ykXqRvvJ8ebEV672GfVIFY+DbQNGG9I7OPQKXC2rbjBZ1IKJP4cl0JeTErmcg7jYkG04pevz28qph+ZVt3Xb2FHNHhN1Dw/Ea3TGWp7aG18mpsmw+q1SfUMJwDBblC6yMIOWQHqtMJVBhAId1+uEaz4jOdYiIteA7k8LJ4Y/tZwlALbW7DSUUzDGlrgS3uaenG6JiBz8zKUSYKssZmyLtZF4rCfSWWJ2tRFHV2r5kd9TTfj4rW54rVb6JwlVdy0qCB5ZYQ5uGNF1mb8jG0taDScI1iQIA0IhPbD46qQM5FckA== X-YMail-OSG: QobEzYQVM1l2L4dpP1NL3_f9Xq7XsyLaFIoyzY7zbztzV_xT5jCUTslpXCrp3Vg kvOgwtmuIqtIU2HZBus4Hgm3EDsA2nH8y_gtajDP6QajcKXLo7pflQrTeoDAZcy2yvrNzUmw0VY6 D1ZZNyj2gJfHYELvn4gGvX4weeH3NePo9hNw5BWp9knuVMIT_k1ky4InmYMCkxw_Lw5avViI1HDi b9Yj9IZIGsXjK15o0fi9zn9fF79PFdgwcaS4hAVrXYzSytyeuRY9vAN3AAF4Ip6S0CBjlbpaDKq. 5tJHRc97H1lEVkxysBPNxSMYo2R6kA_H5WXoW5gWTlwDHETN4oQ_1nxfiOea2BfuIIMAdNRJbuXs c1TTot9.NPSmnKjqfVq5caLvneWzVi6D0l.zkiTXFYqD1V6sM259EbO4Zc.6akRzhac65cJHaaPm 2nBpJup3.Ed68keqKqD.QyqLTgAb8xAdS3W4aVruQTd62qFtCbo7b8vpRmeRT7mcqB.5q9eftdXT 2IgCyy9tMiae.W7wjCon9N7L3ucsfKW6r2aNQLfBnOWs3zyIXHg3yIfofmQqphivhDA2LRsLrqBT bxGTJUK_RtF8e_eZ8MZRwoPWHelk_OnC6pdzIoB7TkfFX3GT7HBfXyJPn6LXKAeTiYgBX8e09STy smmAZpj0a8EYochHGC1qxsXkwbxuBnYo1VRQzCoiMj9odtx3vUfrdQIzoLRXxw2fGbSX.paHtrl5 fTAlWdrj22lgNcvEYcDKK8nwbOY4.gJH08x2CAA4cVOZvjdW9H4SiYskA8SxW1k_ZjmYxxCQYP1s CU0QCLuHuZ7.l3JtAguKZcG3vZw0kTC.84mNyntAmF4ekCa.7kc3Phu9S6YgCIvnUMBCxziLTAv_ V3Hxc3nAyRrHOPzRIzaUMpWFpEHLwyZAHIvdgT9YpXKcvFQe.0qQ0tzIyOXc81i6yeFzmfSrpGpX Ioa.UOskkFpBYR0IO1_ubWMlKqJtSF9jzSln2ND8mTt2spCwfsRfcOHjQ0Wg3o2xlNYehe6npNc7 y3UDIeVmowXBAPf_FYQtWQXpG3zQZDDJQ1Tii0pCugz5nc7GWKaZUkhoXxfhP4QlTXb1UBHFm0gz bXnvVxEeT7jwnxgmKwW0rzPNi1T5vL1uPEf4CH7OjEqB.XhxDBfej56cVMfJVF1OXae.xZ4xLiC5 ou8GDEzBQ5z95NxBKcVWmEjGa5rJAXnmidxuW0Ax2HalL6FaPdXCqIsnfuj7okjDjRvv2qgsXl3Y VWIEJzjCx7z3rDsdUpnJcrbQldMmgKT.sSEiop5wC4jL0Z_E4odVO6jogyyUb_2pNk.pQAcFODbp gINoT73D3C5CR3gaEwlXFSW8l4uFsDZJtlX4qgDY_ZigaM57x9HSBZeUT6LqgVxuv5svWCta09WO HVzw7Amxh1meSrjdsNs9sJTxSMonNrsfQOE_A1VfcfOPKdXYu.ziqN5njJU_5.i2dh0t73dQaXSB _uUIUnwPpjYgVQzNGZRHtLWITnQ1TfsQGnayclsV2eVbvIpjlgn9fljL6oJ.1i5ZUHCktHTj1ti9 3lx7NZeiis2CCQgxj5v77Y9e9WPNjoHwkQMQqwFZT0LtdV6F4rBUlD_Nuk4FdjLNfI0suphk_el7 yA6OJiNHYIzzwyRKSHp.PXKHcBOXrZve1IeZBJd50.S45AYgX52J_NwHjW3ZjjEzguOf8f8cvNvt hVZmiqLk4ZpQ0gGtkCyUnW_QKoHbyV9PXAJCgiTuyWra3pnOrhOoLcZnEDx25wSu4tlihNGi_463 WLxS53RGVI57cNmIXGCAvTqwlyUhS1dd3jTW9XHchjmeVbmA_y89YAsonNE6NJftivnoZnrQjy5j 42gqTZ_quqN7ntGD7X40Hk85na6.WprelPcTYJpjIw_bbVgJ95J9aIZUrkaU0usvuBJQs4OUtKFS XcbOlkSAymMzsEMunuuf6QZ0oz_8mrobZ6zapwZ3Q3JnI.cFqg.R7LS0vgkUEFln5Gi305fDTNDO Nx_mWorc6Q60hp_lYB9Sp7E5Z.y56xhI1pKtafcjZfb4aQGrwJKaFw743l80UBH3LunYpD0Jx5rf 4NwQx.P9gQNfRSOx3sWl5FVWekewIi1wY4r4NWCSMWUoOhSqRnX.ii3Et9pvOQX4.JAIgkOEJjA9 p4j2YteNlvMAxnsjMC4gtKPupE_mitvtFQZo6DfgXpE3OYhulX0Ot461kHPSgL9rFXaebw.BVN7y j5W_Y0l9lkxs4K6lQX03wiK.T_WGu0x6IJoQitCHlPbKMMXuRDw41gnFjQMds.EW6LPAHCnfrUPo - X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 20d5e14e-8a36-4434-ba90-57e9be0fa66c Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:41:45 +0000 Received: by hermes--production-gq1-78d49cd6df-7zwgw (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 44a1b5ce37fa7a2dd70cd870d3b53abe; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 00:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <12921270.kl7XSLc1hW@ravel> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:41:31 -0800 Cc: Current FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74B030A5-6141-4FE2-AE8C-79548B82FAF0@yahoo.com> References: <3183964.fD0qBhBWp0@ravel> <6A477CBE-692E-49F9-B21E-2C0D29F09766@yahoo.com> <12921270.kl7XSLc1hW@ravel> To: Olivier Certner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TCtcq5twkz4k14 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Jan 14, 2024, at 15:15, Olivier Certner wrote: > Hi Mark, >=20 >> I seriously care about having a lack of access times. >=20 > Then, I think elaborating on your use cases would be valuable to the = discussion, if by chance you want to and can share about them. I'm confused: I go to the trouble to produce the same end result as your suggested change of defaults would produce, ending up with no recording of access times. Nothing about that of itself implies that I'd want the defaults for mount notation or /etc/fstab notation or the like changed --or that I'd want them unchanged. To narrow of a context for such a judgment about defaults. In case the potential confusion is involved, I'll quote another reply that I just made relative to more potential use of notime: QUOTE I've not reported any objection to bsdinstall having explicit choices required in its menus. Nor to changing how, say, official snapshots are generated (so long as well notified and documented). If my wording was unclear on that, I'm sorry. My focus was on things like mount command notation and /etc/fstab notation (that tracks mount defaults) or subroutine interface equivalents of such things and changing their behavior without requiring changing the notation already in place in various files. (I've tried to word the above without making new points, avoiding contributing more to the bike shed material.) 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List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 Message-Id: <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfD/s3AwWzQFjOUvrrupCvPqPhkQxuTT6Vzp7WLelvsIXns+a0qThVkupPoJnS+fu3HB8Waf5tFhghZftpc8TlNfmOVsFRr6ASFf0IFRRsyhRxcR6V/nu zbFDOw8ZXOs/Dh5BHGv4Jscdy1+SI3iQZQx0N/5dFhckA4NiTO+9QbrQHmYDGYW1rewoZ2gW8dhDd5RQFjSy8N/hhx2xeZ2X8EO7t+0/D5B01fuM4MiQmhOn IYkCbikduskWD/47JqDGF2wwA7OdAD4lHlYIwwpyeudwCwb7u0ySV2Cb3o9pnoKDdTjumuABog1SmjLLzUum9g== X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.32:from]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cschubert.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TCzn32brmz4KtS In message , Rick Macklem writes: > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=E2=80=AFPM Ronald Klop = > wrote: > > > > > > Van: FreeBSD User > > Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > > > > Hello, > > > > running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a= > : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 > > CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the mentioned cl= > ient, other is FreeBSD > > 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > > > > I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other NFSv4 F= > S (a simple ls -la). > > The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a= > ccess to the client > > host, luckily the box recovers. > Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same sources? > I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two > modules and did bump the > __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. > (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have > been rebuilt as a part of > the kernel build.) > Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e^(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Mon Jan 15 05:46:37 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TD1PG4q9Fz57kmZ for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 05:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp6.goneo.de (smtp6.goneo.de [IPv6:2001:1640:5::8:31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TD1PF6QZJz4RdP for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 05:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub1.goneo.de (hub1.goneo.de [85.220.129.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp6.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EF82407DC; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:47:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub1.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C3C12407F4; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:47:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1705297625; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0rFVvWBxui2sUZMXqJOSoZV0JLR9Z4LfcFCOFRxTlJQ=; b=oSpYDNYiya+L6xgMNbbyG64Mz6nFVU4nRYZG+lGPMqZvlCbsJqacq/Y8x97PFf5MLoHP6E mA35gq5xKe5QU50xeCyHGn8l/jkrj1ntCC+q2uPLHRX3DELRcnfMq3NKEcI/JrMhUHZbxW IxeUYm9WSOODhO6DpzzoxqovQqFd3A2SbO95IFU6ZpW+yfXlk7+p8Ur2rWL1otXNbDj0Ak tDvqgzO6ANHKP6Ai94cd/Og6cizR0Iv2Z0Qkhr3Zjw7Pn5VsMvXf6QlMBRCTWAkf/CdDwO SaUYwnTJhVrPHguofx8OrE0PPDuUC1WTxDm7Oqs3rYDn2vBhCjUyJV2YMezUAw== Received: from thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de (dynamic-089-012-064-156.89.12.pool.telefonica.de [89.12.64.156]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA62B2404D7; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:47:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 06:46:37 +0100 From: FreeBSD User To: Cy Schubert Cc: Rick Macklem , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT Message-ID: <20240115064704.611fe0c4@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> In-Reply-To: <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> References: <20240113193324.3fd54295@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1369645989.13766.1705178331205@localhost> <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> Organization: walstatt-de.de List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-UID: 411082 X-Rspamd-UID: 3b79b3 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD1PF6QZJz4RdP X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:2001:1640::/32, country:DE] Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 Cy Schubert schrieb: > In message om> > , Rick Macklem writes: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=E2=80=AFPM Ronald Klop = > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Van: FreeBSD User > > > Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a= > > : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 > > > CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the mentioned cl= > > ient, other is FreeBSD > > > 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > > > > > > I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other NFSv4 F= > > S (a simple ls -la). > > > The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a= > > ccess to the client > > > host, luckily the box recovers. > > Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same sources? > > I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two > > modules and did bump the > > __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. > > (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have > > been rebuilt as a part of > > the kernel build.) > > > > Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? > > Hello Cy Shubert, I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted filesystems. Good question, by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting the tradidional way. Kind regards, oh -- O. Hartmann From nobody Mon Jan 15 07:26:57 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TD3cQ5fhKz56C8N for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de) Received: from umail2.aei.mpg.de (umail2.aei.mpg.de [194.94.224.8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TD3cQ2Cypz4bfy for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from arc.aei.uni-hannover.de (ahgate1.aei.uni-hannover.de [130.75.117.49]) by umail2.aei.mpg.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A24051FA5DD2; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:26:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 08:26:57 +0100 From: Gerrit =?UTF-8?B?S8O8aG4=?= To: "Patrick M. Hausen" Cc: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Message-ID: <20240115082657.5ca6da26@arc.aei.uni-hannover.de> In-Reply-To: <14AED5F5-CC24-4A04-89A6-F43628CE563F@hausen.com> References: <4014880.cjyAsbXg9l@ravel> <14AED5F5-CC24-4A04-89A6-F43628CE563F@hausen.com> Organization: MPG X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/go6ra6EDg2tnbB0iQ8sfauY"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA384 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD3cQ2Cypz4bfy X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:680, ipnet:194.94.0.0/15, country:DE] --Sig_/go6ra6EDg2tnbB0iQ8sfauY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 19:14:16 +0100 schrieb "Patrick M. Hausen" : > That number at first looks like a serious load on the write endurance > of your SSD. Then, doing the math it turns out it's absolutely > ridiculous. >=20 > 100 kB/s sums up to 8,640 GB/day (in decimal units). Even the small > SSDs typically used for embedded devices like firewalls (32 or 64 G > capacity) have a write endurance in the order of 100 or 200 TBW. >=20 > That's more than 10.000 days or roughly 30 years ... This highly depends on how your written data are distributed on the disk. 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(VE7TFX/VE6BBM)" , Rick Macklem , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 In-Reply-To: <2798057.DSuhTWmZiM@ravel> References: <2798057.DSuhTWmZiM@ravel> Message-ID: Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_bed717be6ecceeb9b768d58ee500a606"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD4FF1Tckz4fwp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:89.238.64.0/18, country:DE]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[] This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_bed717be6ecceeb9b768d58ee500a606 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Am 2024-01-15 00:08, schrieb Olivier Certner: > Hi Warner, > >> The consensus was we'd fix it in the installer. > > Isn't speaking about a "consensus", at least as a general response to > the idea of making 'noatime' the default, a little premature? I have > more to say on this topic (see below). Also, I would not dismiss > Lyndon's last mail too quickly, and in particular the last paragraph. > I'm as interested as he is about possible answers for it. > >> We can't change ZFS easily, and discovery of the problem, should your >> assertion be wrong, for UFS means metadata loss that can't be >> recovered. > > Why ZFS would need changing? If you're referring to an earlier > objection from Mark Millard, I don't think it stands, please see my > response to him. Else, I don't know what you're referring to. ZFS by default has atime=on. It is our installer which sets atime=off in the ZFS properties. I was understanding Warners comment about changing ZFS in the sense of changing the ZFS code to have a default of atime=off. I agree with Warner that we should not do that. And in my opinion we should keep the other FS which support atime/noatime consistent (those which don't support atime/noatime due to technial limitations don't count in my opinion). >> By pushing to the installer, most installations get most of benefits. >> And >> people with special needs see the issue and can make an informed >> choice. > > I agree for those who use the installer. But I'm not sure which > proportion of users they represent, and especially for those who care > about disabling access times. As for me, I don't think I have used the > installer in the past 10 years (to be safe). Is this such an atypical > behavior? I haven't used an installer myself since longer (either I was creating a new system by attaching a disk and prepping it from an existing system, or by creating an image and transferring it to the target over the network). But I would say this is atypical behavior by people which know exactly what they are doing, not what a normal consumer would do. Such experts know exactly what they want to do with atime and handle it as needed. > Additionally, the installer doesn't cover other use cases: > - Mounting filesystems by hand on USB keys or other removal medias > (which are not in '/etc/fstab'). This causes users to have to remember > to add 'noatime' on the command-line. Those which care about that and know where this makes a difference, have it in their finger-memory. > - Using auto-mounters. They have to be configured to use 'noatime'. If our automounter is not able to handle that, it is a bug / missing feature we can change. Personally I would have no objection to changing the automounter config to mount with noatime (if specifying noatime for a FS which don't support atime/noatime doesn't create failures). > - Desktop environments shipping a mount helper. Again, they have to be > configured, if at all possible. If they are not able to handle that, it is a bug. Typical media in desktop use-cases doesn't really need this. If you handle media which really _needs_ noatime in such a case, you may want to reconsider your way of operating. > So limiting action to the installer, while certainly a sensible and > pragmatic step, still seems to miss a lot. Nobody told to only limit this action to the installer. The pragmatic part here is to ask if it really matters for those use cases. For mounting by hand I disagree that it matters. For our automounter we should do something (at least making sure it is able to handle it, and if we don't want to swtich the default at least have a commented out entry in the config with a suitable comment). For the desktop helpers it is not our responsability, but interested people surely can file a bug report upstream. >> Though in all honesty, I've never been able to measure a speed >> difference. >> Nor have I worn out a ssd due to the tiny increase in write amp. Old >> (<100MB) SD and CF cards included. This includes my armv7 based dns >> server >> that I ran for a decade on a 256MB SD card with no special settings >> and >> full read/write and lots of logging. So the harm is minimal typically. >> I'm >> sure there are cases that it matters more than my experience. And it >> is >> good practice to enable noatime. Just that failure to do so typically >> has >> only a marginal effect. > > It seemed to make a difference on slow USB keys (well, not just evenly > slow, but which could exhibit strange pauses while writing), but I > didn't gather enough hard data to call that "scientific". I sometimes > manage to saturate M2 SSD I/O bandwidth but then I always use > 'noatime', so not sure how much a difference it makes. The "updatedb" > scenario that runs 'find' causes access time updates for all > directories, causing spikes in the number of writes which may affect > the response time during the process. That said, it is only run once a > week by default. > > I would say that most of the value of having 'noatime' the default is > in less tweaking by most people, and one less thing to worry about (for > them). > > I proposed in another mail having a sysctl which indicates the default > ('noatime' or 'atime') for all filesystems. This default would be used > at mount time if neither 'atime' nor 'noatime' is explicitly specified. > That way, people wanting 'noatime' by default everywhere could just > set it to that. It may also convince reticent people to have the > default (i.e., this sysctl's default value) changed to 'noatime', by > providing a very simple way to revert to the old behavior. While I agree that this would be an easy way of globally changing the default, what makes noatime special compared to nocover, or nfs4acl, or noexec, or nosuid, or whatever other option? Mounting noexec and nosuid by default and having those FS be mounted explicitely suid/exec which really need it would be a security benefit. And cover/nocover would prevent accidental foot-shooting. Where do you want to draw the line between "easy" and "explicit"? Only having atime/noatime handled like that looks inconsistent to me (which - I hope - not only me thinks is a POLA violation). I fully agree with you regarding switching to noatime by default. I think this should not be done by changing the defaults in each FS. I think that having a sysctl only for atime/noatime is an ugly inconsistency (probably I wouldn't use a generic framework which handles all sensible mount options like that, and I think it would be overkill, but I wouldn't object to it). In my opinion the correct way of handling it is to ask the user at install time, and existing systems shall be handled by those which administrate them (don't touch an existing fstab; changing the default in the automounter config for a .0 release would be OK in my opinion, for a .x release in the middle of a stable branch I would add a commented out noatime option to make it visible but not active). 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It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the same problem. I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and = type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I = plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am = using NFSv3 Peter Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 fault virtual address =3D 0x89 fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D 6869 (csh) trap number =3D 12 panic: page fault cpuid =3D 2 time =3D 1705306940 KDB: stack backtrace: #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 > On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User wrote: >=20 > Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 > Cy Schubert > schrieb: >=20 >> In message = > om> =20 >> , Rick Macklem writes: >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop = =3D >>> wrote: =20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Van: FreeBSD User >>>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 >>>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT >>>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT >>>>=20 >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 = main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D =20 >>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 =20 >>>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D =20 >>> ient, other is FreeBSD =20 >>>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. >>>>=20 >>>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other = NFSv4 F=3D =20 >>> S (a simple ls -la). =20 >>>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have = physicla a=3D =20 >>> ccess to the client =20 >>>> host, luckily the box recovers. =20 >>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same = sources? >>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two >>> modules and did bump the >>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. >>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have >>> been rebuilt as a part of >>> the kernel build.) >>>=20 >>=20 >> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Hello Cy Shubert, >=20 > I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted = filesystems. Good question, > by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting the = tradidional way. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > oh >=20 > --=20 > O. Hartmann --Apple-Mail=_4DC50FFC-0461-4C1F-9E20-CFD2DE6F9458 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

I do = have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today = (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the same problem.

I have ports automounted on /am/ports. = When I do cd /am/ports/sys and type tab to autocomplete it crashes with = the below stack trace. If I plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the = same everything works. I am using NFSv3

Peter




Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04
fault = virtual address = =3D 0x89
fault code =3D= supervisor read data, page not present
instruction = pointer = =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4
stack = pointer =        =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
frame pointer        =3D = 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
code segment =3D= base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
= =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, = IOPL =3D 0
current process =3D= 6869 (csh)
trap number =3D 12
panic: page fault
cpuid =3D 2
time =3D 1705306940
KDB: stack = backtrace:
#0 0xffffffff806232f5 at = kdb_backtrace+0x65
#1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at = vpanic+0x152
#2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at = panic+0x43
#3 0xffffffff809d58ad at = trap_fatal+0x38d
#4 0xffffffff809d58ff at = trap_pfault+0x4f
#5 0xffffffff809af048 at = calltrap+0x8
#6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at = ncl_bioread+0xb7e
#7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at = nfs_readdir+0x1f0
#8 0xffffffff8069c61a at = vop_sigdefer+0x2a
#9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at = VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#10 0xffffffff81ce75de at = autofs_readdir+0x2ce
#11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at = VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#12 0xffffffff806c3002 at = kern_getdirentries+0x222
#13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at = sys_getdirentries+0x29
#14 0xffffffff809d6180 at = amd64_syscall+0x110
#15 0xffffffff809af95b at = fast_syscall_common+0xf8



On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, = FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de> wrote:

Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> schrieb:

In message <CAM5tNy5aat8vUn2fsX9jV=3DD9yGZdnO20Q0Ea7qtszx+zSES2bw@mail.gmai= l.c
om>  
, Rick Macklem = writes:
On Sat, Jan = 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>=3D
wrote: =  


Van: FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: 13 = januari 2024 19:34
Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: = NFSv4 crash of CURRENT

Hello,

running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT = #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D  
: Sat = Jan 13 18:08:32  
CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D  
ient, other is FreeBSD =  
13.2-RELEASE-p8.= Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized.

I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or = other NFSv4 F=3D  
S (a simple ls -la). =  
The NFSv4 FS = is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a=3D =  
ccess to the client  
host, luckily the box = recovers.  
Did you rebuild both the = nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same sources?
I did a = commit to main that changes the interface between these two
modules and did bump the
__FreeBSD_version to = 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt.
(If you = have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have
been rebuilt as a part of
the kernel build.)


Is anyone by = chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too?



Hello Cy Shubert,

I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs = mounted filesystems. Good question,
by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when = mounting the tradidional way.

Kind regards,

oh

-- 
O. = Hartmann

= --Apple-Mail=_4DC50FFC-0461-4C1F-9E20-CFD2DE6F9458-- From nobody Mon Jan 15 09:27:13 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TD6HC2zWpz56SDw for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TD6HB3hsQz4tjG; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 09:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-91-49.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.91.49]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 40F9RDWW013932; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 18:27:14 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 18:27:13 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Mark Millard Cc: Olivier Certner , Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Message-Id: <20240115182713.5abeab262fc4750fb3c45b53@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <259993C7-D14C-48CC-9593-25FCC1741115@yahoo.com> References: <3183964.fD0qBhBWp0@ravel> <6A477CBE-692E-49F9-B21E-2C0D29F09766@yahoo.com> <20240115072732.85c2213714a658d3b98ab830@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <259993C7-D14C-48CC-9593-25FCC1741115@yahoo.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD6HB3hsQz4tjG X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:13:06 -0800 Mark Millard wrote: > On Jan 14, 2024, at 14:27, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:53:34 -0800 > > Mark Millard wrote: > > > >> On Jan 14, 2024, at 08:39, Olivier Certner wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Mark, > >>> > >>>> I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never propose > >>>> changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. > >>> > >>> With this mail, you're giving more detailed objections on the social/political aspects of the proposed changed, or as we usually say more simply, POLA. > >>> > >>> All your points are already largely weakened by the fact that, to wrap-up in a single sentence at the risk of being slightly caricatural (but then see my other mails), nobody really seems to care seriously about access times. > >> > >> I seriously care about having a lack of access times. Yet, I've no > >> objection to needing to be explicit about it in commands and > >> subroutine interfaces, given the long standing interfaces (defaults). > >> It would be different if I could not achieve the lack of access > >> times. That defaults do not block having the desired settings makes > >> the change optional, not technically required. 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Nor to changing how, say, > official snapshots are generated (so long as well notified > and documented). If my wording was unclear on that, I'm sorry. > > My focus was on things like mount command notation and > /etc/fstab notation (that tracks mount defaults) or subroutine > interface equivalents of such things and changing their > behavior without requiring changing the notation already in > place in various files. > > (I've tried to word the above without making new points, > avoiding contributing more to the bike shed material.) > > > Choose whether you need to retain last file access time or not: > > 1: Don't keep (current default) > > 2: Keep last one (default before 15.0) > > > > by hand, or via installer configuration or additional scripts. > > Of course, existing installations should not be affected. > > > > > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com So you mean changing behaviour of mount[_*] to default to noatime, in conjunction with configuration in /etc/fstab to default to noatime, right? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a9e19db6f12ba00c2a1a48eb84e1a7f8; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <20240115182713.5abeab262fc4750fb3c45b53@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 02:31:17 -0800 Cc: Olivier Certner , Current FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3183964.fD0qBhBWp0@ravel> <6A477CBE-692E-49F9-B21E-2C0D29F09766@yahoo.com> <20240115072732.85c2213714a658d3b98ab830@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <259993C7-D14C-48CC-9593-25FCC1741115@yahoo.com> <20240115182713.5abeab262fc4750fb3c45b53@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: Tomoaki AOKI X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD7jH2WcCz461s X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Jan 15, 2024, at 01:27, Tomoaki AOKI = wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:13:06 -0800 > Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Jan 14, 2024, at 14:27, Tomoaki AOKI = wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:53:34 -0800 >>> Mark Millard wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 08:39, Olivier Certner = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never = propose >>>>>> changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. >>>>>=20 >>>>> With this mail, you're giving more detailed objections on the = social/political aspects of the proposed changed, or as we usually say = more simply, POLA. >>>>>=20 >>>>> All your points are already largely weakened by the fact that, to = wrap-up in a single sentence at the risk of being slightly caricatural = (but then see my other mails), nobody really seems to care seriously = about access times. >>>>=20 >>>> I seriously care about having a lack of access times. Yet, I've no >>>> objection to needing to be explicit about it in commands and >>>> subroutine interfaces, given the long standing interfaces = (defaults). >>>> It would be different if I could not achieve the lack of access >>>> times. That defaults do not block having the desired settings makes >>>> the change optional, not technically required. The defaults are, >>>> thus, primarily social/political aspects of interfaces, not >>>> technical requirements to make things work. >>>>=20 >>>> Given that, I explicitly claim that avoiding POLA at this late = stage >>>> is my preference for the priority of competing considerations. I >>>> make no claim of knowing the majority view of the tradeoffs. I = would >>>> claim that, if the majority is not by just some marginal amount, >>>> contradicting that majority view for this would not be appropriate. >>>> (Again: the social/political aspects.) >>>>=20 >>>> And, hopefully, this is my last contribution to this particular >>>> bike shed. >>>>=20 >>>> =3D=3D=3D >>>> Mark Millard >>>> marklmi at yahoo.com >>>=20 >>> I would prefer violating POLA here, with, for example, forcing = admins >>> to choose explicitly with installer menu >>=20 >> I've not reported any objection to bsdinstall having explicit >> choices required in its menus. Nor to changing how, say, >> official snapshots are generated (so long as well notified >> and documented). If my wording was unclear on that, I'm sorry. >>=20 >> My focus was on things like mount command notation and >> /etc/fstab notation (that tracks mount defaults) or subroutine >> interface equivalents of such things and changing their >> behavior without requiring changing the notation already in >> place in various files. >>=20 >> (I've tried to word the above without making new points, >> avoiding contributing more to the bike shed material.) >>=20 >>> Choose whether you need to retain last file access time or not: >>> 1: Don't keep (current default) >>> 2: Keep last one (default before 15.0) >>>=20 >>> by hand, or via installer configuration or additional scripts. >>> Of course, existing installations should not be affected. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =3D=3D=3D >> Mark Millard >> marklmi at yahoo.com >=20 > So you mean changing behaviour of mount[_*] to default to noatime, in > conjunction with configuration in /etc/fstab to default to noatime, > right? > So if changes are done as such, if anyone want atime active, add > "-o atime" in mount[_*] command and/or "[,]atime" in /etc/fstab? In my stated view, if bsdinstall is modified for UFS it should generate /etc/fstab files with explicit "noatime" notation when the user selects to not have atime. If they select to have atime in use instead, two ways would work: be explicit in /etc/fstab with an "atime" or leave it implicit for what I've stated as my view. As far as I'm concerned, the generated /etc/fstab could always be explicit, avoiding any dependency on the default for lack of having explicit notation. But, I'll note that the existing "man mount" only mentions the "noatime" notation, not the possibility of an explicit "atime". The same goes for "man fstab". No matter what, the documentation could be explicit about both notations, noting which ends up being the default for when the user's notation is not explicit. I've indicated that my preference for the lack of explicit notation would be to continue to have it mean "atime" implicitly. But tools like bsdinstall need not output files that depend on that at all: the /etc/fstab files could always be generated with explicit notation. Hopefully, the above is clear and I can avoid having to yet again describe my view. 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The fix that is causing the = crash with automounted NFS is: commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b Author: Konstantin Belousov Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by nfsiod =20 (cherry picked from commit 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e) When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash = happens. Peter > On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today = (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the same problem. >=20 > I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and = type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I = plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am = using NFSv3 >=20 > Peter >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 > fault virtual address =3D 0x89 > fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present > instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 > stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 > processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 > current process =3D 6869 (csh) > trap number =3D 12 > panic: page fault > cpuid =3D 2 > time =3D 1705306940 > KDB: stack backtrace: > #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 > #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 > #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 > #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d > #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f > #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 > #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e > #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 > #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a > #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce > #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 > #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 > #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 > #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User > wrote: >>=20 >> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 >> Cy Schubert > schrieb: >>=20 >>> In message = >>> om> =20 >>> , Rick Macklem writes: >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop = >=3D >>>> wrote: =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Van: FreeBSD User > >>>>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 >>>>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > >>>>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hello, >>>>>=20 >>>>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 = main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D =20 >>>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 =20 >>>>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D =20 >>>> ient, other is FreeBSD =20 >>>>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other = NFSv4 F=3D =20 >>>> S (a simple ls -la). =20 >>>>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have = physicla a=3D =20 >>>> ccess to the client =20 >>>>> host, luckily the box recovers. =20 >>>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same = sources? >>>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two >>>> modules and did bump the >>>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be = rebuilt. >>>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should = have >>>> been rebuilt as a part of >>>> the kernel build.) >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> Hello Cy Shubert, >>=20 >> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted = filesystems. Good question, >> by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting = the tradidional way. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> oh >>=20 >> --=20 >> O. Hartmann >=20 --Apple-Mail=_727E0BFF-35CE-446A-A17B-7C5202616E94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

Forgot = to mention I=E2=80=99m on 13-stable. The fix that is causing the crash = with automounted NFS is:

commit = cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b
Author: = Konstantin Belousov <kib@FreeBSD.org>
Date:   Tue = Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200

    nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked = read-ahead by nfsiod
    
    (cherry picked from commit = 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e)

When I remove the fix, the problem is = gone. Add it back and the crash happens.

Peter

On 15 = Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok <pblok@bsd4all.org> wrote:

Hi,

I do have a crash on a NFS client with = stable of today (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also = autofs related. Maybe it is the same problem.

I have ports automounted on /am/ports. = When I do cd /am/ports/sys and type tab to autocomplete it crashes with = the below stack trace. If I plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the = same everything works. I am using NFSv3

Peter




Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04
fault = virtual address = =3D 0x89
fault code =3D= supervisor read data, page not present
instruction = pointer = =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4
stack = pointer =        =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
frame pointer        =3D = 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
code segment =3D= base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
= =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, = IOPL =3D 0
current process =3D= 6869 (csh)
trap number =3D 12
panic: page fault
cpuid =3D 2
time =3D 1705306940
KDB: stack = backtrace:
#0 0xffffffff806232f5 at = kdb_backtrace+0x65
#1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at = vpanic+0x152
#2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at = panic+0x43
#3 0xffffffff809d58ad at = trap_fatal+0x38d
#4 0xffffffff809d58ff at = trap_pfault+0x4f
#5 0xffffffff809af048 at = calltrap+0x8
#6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at = ncl_bioread+0xb7e
#7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at = nfs_readdir+0x1f0
#8 0xffffffff8069c61a at = vop_sigdefer+0x2a
#9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at = VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#10 0xffffffff81ce75de at = autofs_readdir+0x2ce
#11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at = VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#12 0xffffffff806c3002 at = kern_getdirentries+0x222
#13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at = sys_getdirentries+0x29
#14 0xffffffff809d6180 at = amd64_syscall+0x110
#15 0xffffffff809af95b at = fast_syscall_common+0xf8



On 15 = Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de> wrote:

Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> schrieb:

In message <CAM5tNy5aat8vUn2fsX9jV=3DD9yGZdnO20Q0Ea7qtszx+zSES2bw@mail.gmai= l.c
om>  
, Rick Macklem = writes:
On Sat, Jan = 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>=3D
wrote: =  


Van: FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: 13 = januari 2024 19:34
Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: = NFSv4 crash of CURRENT

Hello,

running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT = #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D  
: Sat = Jan 13 18:08:32  
CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D  
ient, other is FreeBSD =  
13.2-RELEASE-p8.= Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized.

I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or = other NFSv4 F=3D  
S (a simple ls -la). =  
The NFSv4 FS = is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a=3D =  
ccess to the client  
host, luckily the box = recovers.  
Did you rebuild both the = nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same sources?
I did a = commit to main that changes the interface between these two
modules and did bump the
__FreeBSD_version to = 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt.
(If you = have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have
been rebuilt as a part of
the kernel build.)


Is anyone by = chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too?



Hello Cy Shubert,

I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs = mounted filesystems. Good question,
by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when = mounting the tradidional way.

Kind regards,

oh

-- 
O. = Hartmann


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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 49575d90d026312df23127e85efc35ae; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: poudriere: swap_pager: out of swap space From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 03:15:45 -0800 Cc: Current FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <60C36CF0-43AC-4ACA-B6A5-6997F4425EC5.ref@yahoo.com> <60C36CF0-43AC-4ACA-B6A5-6997F4425EC5@yahoo.com> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TD8hf0HPcz4Fpk X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Jan 15, 2024, at 00:07, Lexi Winter wrote: > Mark Millard: >> You seem to be under the impression that "Inact" means "page is not >> dirty" and so can be freed without being written out to the swap >> space. >=20 > indeed, i was, because this is how sysutils/htop displays memory = usage: >=20 > top(1) >=20 > Mem: 8502M Active, 15G Inact, 1568M Laundry, 5518M Wired, 1343M Buf, = 690M Free >=20 > htop(1): >=20 > Mem[|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| = 13.7G/31.9G] >=20 > i'm vaguely annoyed, but also not surprised, to find out that htop is > wrong here... htop is not native to FreeBSD, unlike top. So making it fit is odd because Inact can be a mix of dirty and clean pages. >> Inact pages can be dirty and such pages can not be freed without >> being written out to the swap space first. If the swap space >> ends up filled, dirty pages that are not in active use stay or >> propogate into the Inact or Laundry states, accumulating there >> (for later potential use). >=20 > so, how are Inact pages created? They are just non-wired pages that have not been accessed in a sufficiently recent time, no matter if dirty vs. if clean. (Wired pages are never written to swap space while they are wired.) Buf pages (as top shows) are clean but can be active or inactive: it is not an independent category. But it counts only pages used for buffers/caches. There could be other clean pages not counted. FreeBSD does not page out active pages. Thus, a program that keeps all of the non-wired RAM Active will not page out to the swap space and can lead to OOM kills. There is a parameter that indirectly controls the time before such OOM kills happen: vm.pageout_oom_seq that has a default value of 12. Larger figures increase the time it takes for such OOM kills to happen. I use 120 to avoid OOM kills in my range of contexts: delays long enough for things to complete in my contexts. (I reference time to simplify the details.) > does this happen from filesystem > writes, or something else? All non-wired memory is subject to potentially being Inactive. It is not limited to file system memory at all. > is there somewhere this that is documented? Inactive pages that are not dirty are freed based on memory pressure. Inactive pages that are dirty can not be freed without loss of information. Inactive can be an arbitrary mix of dirty and clean pages. Only dirty pages are potentially moved to Laundry. I have seen wording indicating that all dirty pages are in the laundry --mixed in the same text that such pages are first inactive. The observed behavior is that the/some dirty pages that have not been accessed in a sufficiently recent time go inactive first and later can move to the Laundry --and the pages that are written to the swap space did make it into the Laundry first. One place to read a description is: https://klarasystems.com/articles/exploring-swap-on-freebsd/ Part of its text is: QUOTE The active and inactive queues contain both clean and dirty pages. When = reclaiming memory to alleviate a shortage, the page daemon will free = clean pages from the head of the inactive queue. Dirty pages must first = be cleaned by paging them out to swap or a file system. This is a lot of = work, so the page daemon moves them to the laundry queue for deferred = processing. The laundry queue is managed by a dedicated thread, the = laundry thread, which is responsible for deciding when and how much to = page out. END QUOTE There is a description of top's output as well: https://klarasystems.com/articles/explaining-top1-on-freebsd/ but it is not clear about the dirty vs. clean status of Inact vs. Laundry, where Laundry need not cover all dirty pages. Nor is it clear about Buf counting a mix of Active and Inactive pages in its count in general. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Mon Jan 15 15:04:44 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDFmp2qvRz57740 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x530.google.com (mail-pg1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TDFmp26W5z4mfw for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick.macklem@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pg1-x530.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5cf22a89a54so2329342a12.3 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:04:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1705331097; x=1705935897; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=CPj8wL5x9FF47KR2ZD8AWOGBFcCn2OhU8cAjwfDsSwc=; b=XyS2lK4nuNuKZj1gI2DMXcQc+wlcPDhDZ5e9L6iMrwzzKpx0WP39VLuyB+i7FH94zL AHZVEk7cQL6I/FoglgOKuIUVqziqYGw5aN80V3A1x2YJq7Pc2Os7zok8UAtXbMqFc3Xp UbeBvpTBrPhAI6FU1tKLkgviau8oJJtPTYM5g9ysmEvzc2GMkdNGy0QerQ9dcaaNOamH YY7N3G8NtGk/dIpoG/NfyCCDbIopvCAI/Ea8DyaqhpYZZsMs+F6tWPa472RlULS0RXhM 8MS/S7gHpFU5pCY9eE8XpCgHR2s5FLWGBtlWDBzuvOSfjsSYFNWYTdH/J3tyCzlCsvdb aE3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705331097; x=1705935897; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CPj8wL5x9FF47KR2ZD8AWOGBFcCn2OhU8cAjwfDsSwc=; b=Wntf0nGlrFN2Id3Nh9dmay3rNhCQvRc4rFx0kLw1/Uz247oMCPGyuvjaBVxgAwAFOE DOfgCz/db33fbPAqpZGf7knpWNYdEZAb6YUXbAcrk3x+C6I15fuKe1KhovvapRsibVXv 7ephPJqS6cNEkP0maWbl694K2qT33XLb7L+UQoFRRihItkNhbU9oD6hSA8SvYnaUimuh MTK7MWOPQjeG8fAYB8Dn8apooS3CLV+arAiUBAQzfrkQISM7KSY6JJkgeVsUkqFDru+v 7WyLT7Belk7g27mQRkOyeYBuPhdN7Y1EiHURYquhVyDLd26OYb0y+SYKnq6AuGfyM3yi wbQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxcIlguBS1XTLhbeds1UcQqGvfFlASr8Frs+hY/5TXNtz3+I6xF 5xjtjj5ycqWNgIV72GfIIOsCzNt9Oj3YMbxGyg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF6AXLl7Sz1ERW69qZfP5YcaVjgRcDDUeRXRnOQm7dmPFC/sqePcS6YHBvuDgQQG7zwuxcEY7OyIGNvlWvvvQs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:3c86:b0:28d:2b16:b714 with SMTP id g6-20020a17090a3c8600b0028d2b16b714mr2543206pjc.27.1705331097064; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:04:57 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240113193324.3fd54295@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1369645989.13766.1705178331205@localhost> <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> <20240115064704.611fe0c4@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <683EF50F-6665-4664-A7CE-1EFE50076FB0@bsd4all.org> In-Reply-To: <683EF50F-6665-4664-A7CE-1EFE50076FB0@bsd4all.org> From: Rick Macklem Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 07:04:44 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT To: Peter Blok Cc: FreeBSD User , Cy Schubert , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDFmp26W5z4mfw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:53=E2=80=AFAM Peter Blok wrot= e: > > Hi, > > Forgot to mention I=E2=80=99m on 13-stable. The fix that is causing the c= rash with automounted NFS is: > > commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b > Author: Konstantin Belousov > Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 > > nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by nfsiod > > (cherry picked from commit 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e) > > When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash hap= pens. Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want it right away, here it is, but he'll probably commit it soon anyhow: diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644 --- a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c +++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c @@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct thread *td, struct ucred *cred) return (error); } +static bool +ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode *vp) +{ + vm_object_t obj; + + obj =3D vp->v_object; + if (obj =3D=3D NULL) + return (true); + return (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && + vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0); +} + /* * Vnode op for read using bio */ @@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int ioflag, struct ucred *cred) * unlocked read by nfsiod could obliterate changes * done by userspace. */ - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0) { + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) { for (nra =3D 0; nra < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < seqcou= nt && (off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; nra++) { rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra; @@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int ioflag, struct ucred *cred) * directory offset cookie of the next block.) */ NFSLOCKNODE(np); - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0 && + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp) && (bp->b_flags & B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 && (np->n_direofoffset =3D=3D 0 || (lbn + 1) * NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) && rick ps: It appears that autofs causes the directory to be read before it is open'd for some reason. I've never looked at autofs. > > Peter > > On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok wrote: > > Hi, > > I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6= d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. Maybe it is the same p= roblem. > > I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and typ= e tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I plainly m= ount ports on /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am using NFSv3 > > Peter > > > > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 > fault virtual address =3D 0x89 > fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present > instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 > stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 > processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 > current process =3D 6869 (csh) > trap number =3D 12 > panic: page fault > cpuid =3D 2 > time =3D 1705306940 > KDB: stack backtrace: > #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 > #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 > #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 > #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d > #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f > #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 > #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e > #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 > #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a > #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce > #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 > #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 > #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 > #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 > > > > On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User wrote: > > Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 > Cy Schubert schrieb: > > In message om> > , Rick Macklem writes: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop =3D > wrote: > > > > Van: FreeBSD User > Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > > Hello, > > running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a= =3D > > : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 > > CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the mentioned cl= =3D > > ient, other is FreeBSD > > 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > > I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other NFSv4 F= =3D > > S (a simple ls -la). > > The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a= =3D > > ccess to the client > > host, luckily the box recovers. > > Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same source= s? > I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two > modules and did bump the > __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. > (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have > been rebuilt as a part of > the kernel build.) > > > Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? > > > > Hello Cy Shubert, > > I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted filesyst= ems. Good question, > by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting the tr= adidional way. > > Kind regards, > > oh > > -- > O. 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The fix that is causing = the crash with automounted NFS is: >>=20 >> commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b >> Author: Konstantin Belousov >> Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 >>=20 >> nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by = nfsiod >>=20 >> (cherry picked from commit = 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e) >>=20 >> When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash = happens. > Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want it right > away, here it is, > but he'll probably commit it soon anyhow: > diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c = b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c > index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644 > --- a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c > +++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c > @@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct > thread *td, struct ucred *cred) > return (error); > } >=20 > +static bool > +ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode *vp) > +{ > + vm_object_t obj; > + > + obj =3D vp->v_object; > + if (obj =3D=3D NULL) > + return (true); > + return (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > + vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0); > +} > + > /* > * Vnode op for read using bio > */ > @@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int > ioflag, struct ucred *cred) > * unlocked read by nfsiod could obliterate changes > * done by userspace. > */ > - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && > - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0) = { > + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) { > for (nra =3D 0; nra < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < = seqcount && > (off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; = nra++) { > rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra; > @@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int > ioflag, struct ucred *cred) > * directory offset cookie of the next block.) > */ > NFSLOCKNODE(np); > - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && > - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0 = && > + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp) && > (bp->b_flags & B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 && > (np->n_direofoffset =3D=3D 0 || > (lbn + 1) * NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) && >=20 > rick > ps: It appears that autofs causes the directory to be read before it > is open'd for > some reason. I've never looked at autofs. >=20 >>=20 >> Peter >>=20 >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today = (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the same problem. >>=20 >> I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and = type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I = plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am = using NFSv3 >>=20 >> Peter >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode >> cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 >> fault virtual address =3D 0x89 >> fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present >> instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 >> stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 >> frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 >> code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b >> =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 >> processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 >> current process =3D 6869 (csh) >> trap number =3D 12 >> panic: page fault >> cpuid =3D 2 >> time =3D 1705306940 >> KDB: stack backtrace: >> #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 >> #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 >> #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 >> #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d >> #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f >> #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 >> #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e >> #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 >> #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a >> #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 >> #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce >> #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 >> #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 >> #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 >> #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 >> #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User = wrote: >>=20 >> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 >> Cy Schubert schrieb: >>=20 >> In message = > om> >> , Rick Macklem writes: >>=20 >> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop = =3D >> wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Van: FreeBSD User >> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 >> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT >> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 = main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D >>=20 >> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 >>=20 >> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D >>=20 >> ient, other is FreeBSD >>=20 >> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. >>=20 >> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other = NFSv4 F=3D >>=20 >> S (a simple ls -la). >>=20 >> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have = physicla a=3D >>=20 >> ccess to the client >>=20 >> host, luckily the box recovers. >>=20 >> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same = sources? >> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two >> modules and did bump the >> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. >> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have >> been rebuilt as a part of >> the kernel build.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hello Cy Shubert, >>=20 >> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted = filesystems. Good question, >> by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting = the tradidional way. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> oh >>=20 >> -- >> O. Hartmann --Apple-Mail=_1A0F591D-D063-48DB-B399-46B93F76615D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = can give it a shot on one of my clients.

On 15 = Jan 2024, at 16:04, Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:53=E2=80=AFAM Peter Blok = <pblok@bsd4all.org> wrote:

Hi,

Forgot to mention I=E2=80=99m = on 13-stable. The fix that is causing the crash with automounted NFS = is:

commit = cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b
Author: = Konstantin Belousov <kib@FreeBSD.org>
Date:   Tue = Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200

   nfsclient: limit situations when we do = unlocked read-ahead by nfsiod

   (cherry picked from commit = 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e)

When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and = the crash happens.
Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want = it right
away, here it = is,
but he'll = probably commit it soon anyhow:
diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c = b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644
--- = a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
+++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
@@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ = nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct
thread *td, struct ucred = *cred)
       return = (error);
}

+static bool
+ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode = *vp)
+{
+ =       vm_object_t obj;
+
+       obj =3D = vp->v_object;
+       if (obj =3D=3D = NULL)
+ =             &n= bsp; return (true);
+       return = (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) &&
+ =           vp->v_objec= t->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0);
+}
+
/*
 * Vnode op for read using = bio
 */
@@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio = *uio, int
ioflag, = struct ucred *cred)
          &nb= sp;     * unlocked read by nfsiod could = obliterate changes
          &nb= sp;     * done by userspace.
          &nb= sp;     */
- =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 &&
- =             &n= bsp;     !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object)= &&
- =             &n= bsp;     vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writema= ppings =3D=3D 0) {
+ =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && = ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) {
          &nb= sp;        for (nra =3D 0; nra = < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < seqcount = &&
          &nb= sp;            = ;(off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; nra++) {
          &nb= sp;            = ;rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra;
@@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio = *uio, int
ioflag, = struct ucred *cred)
          &nb= sp;     *  directory offset cookie of the = next block.)
          &nb= sp;     */
          &nb= sp;    NFSLOCKNODE(np);
- =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 &&
- =             &n= bsp;     !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object)= &&
- =             &n= bsp;     vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writema= ppings =3D=3D 0 &&
+ =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && = ncl_bioread_dora(vp) &&
          &nb= sp;        (bp->b_flags & = B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 &&
          &nb= sp;        (np->n_direofoffset = =3D=3D 0 ||
          &nb= sp;        (lbn + 1) * = NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) &&

rick
ps: It appears that autofs = causes the directory to be read before it
is open'd for
     some reason. I've never looked = at autofs.


Peter

On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, = Peter Blok <pblok@bsd4all.org> wrote:

Hi,

I do have a crash on a NFS = client with stable of today (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). = It is also autofs related. Maybe it is the same problem.
I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd = /am/ports/sys and type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below = stack trace. If I plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same = everything works. I am using NFSv3

Peter




Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04
fault virtual = address =3D 0x89
fault code =3D supervisor read data, page = not present
instruction pointer =3D = 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4
stack pointer =        =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
frame pointer        =3D = 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
code segment =3D base 0x0, limit = 0xfffff, type 0x1b
=3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, = gran 1
processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, = IOPL =3D 0
current process =3D 6869 (csh)
trap= number =3D 12
panic: page fault
cpuid =3D = 2
time =3D 1705306940
KDB: stack = backtrace:
#0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65
#1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152
#2 = 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43
#3 0xffffffff809d58ad at = trap_fatal+0x38d
#4 0xffffffff809d58ff at = trap_pfault+0x4f
#5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8
#6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e
#7 = 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0
#8 = 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a
#9 = 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#10 = 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce
#11 = 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#12 = 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222
#13 = 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29
#14 = 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110
#15 = 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8



On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, = FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de> wrote:

Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800
Cy Schubert = <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> schrieb:

In message <CAM5tNy5aat8vUn2fsX9jV=3DD9yGZdnO20Q0Ea7qtszx+zSES2bw@mail.gmai= l.c
om>
, Rick Macklem writes:

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM = Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>=3D
wrote:



Van: FreeBSD = User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: 13 = januari 2024 19:34
Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: = NFSv4 crash of CURRENT

Hello,

running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT = #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D

: Sat Jan = 13 18:08:32

CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 = server is same OS revision as the mentioned cl=3D

ient, other is FreeBSD

13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, = non-kerberized.

I can crash the client = reproducable by accessing the one or other NFSv4 F=3D

S (a simple ls -la).

The NFSv4 = FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a=3D

ccess to the client

host, luckily the box recovers.

Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the = same sources?
I did a commit to main that changes the = interface between these two
modules and did bump the
__FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be = rebuilt.
(If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel = config, both should have
been rebuilt as a part of
the kernel build.)


Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too?



Hello Cy = Shubert,

I forgot to mention that those = crashes occur with autofs mounted filesystems. Good question,
by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when = mounting the tradidional way.

Kind = regards,

oh

--
O. = Hartmann

= --Apple-Mail=_1A0F591D-D063-48DB-B399-46B93F76615D-- From nobody Mon Jan 15 15:59:07 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDGzM4hwKz57Dkt for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pblok@bsd4all.org) Received: from mail.bsd4all.org (mail.bsd4all.org [88.99.169.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDGzL4GCgz4xwC for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pblok@bsd4all.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pblok@bsd4all.org designates 88.99.169.216 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pblok@bsd4all.org Received: from mail.bsd4all.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A704F50CD; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:59:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bsd4all.org Received: from mail.bsd4all.org ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.bsd4all.org (mail.bsd4all.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09t-Mrgnme4B; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:59:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pony_ip [204.168.249.121]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6C10510A; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:59:11 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Blok Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B446E3CF-0FF6-43D4-8183-BBBFFE305EFE" List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Subject: Re: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:59:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: FreeBSD User , Cy Schubert , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT To: Rick Macklem References: <20240113193324.3fd54295@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1369645989.13766.1705178331205@localhost> <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> <20240115064704.611fe0c4@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <683EF50F-6665-4664-A7CE-1EFE50076FB0@bsd4all.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:88.99.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsd4all.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDGzL4GCgz4xwC --Apple-Mail=_B446E3CF-0FF6-43D4-8183-BBBFFE305EFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rick, I can confirm Kostik=E2=80=99s fix works on 13-stable. Peter > On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:13, Peter Blok wrote: >=20 > I can give it a shot on one of my clients. >=20 >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:04, Rick Macklem > wrote: >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:53=E2=80=AFAM Peter Blok > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Forgot to mention I=E2=80=99m on 13-stable. The fix that is causing = the crash with automounted NFS is: >>>=20 >>> commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b >>> Author: Konstantin Belousov > >>> Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 >>>=20 >>> nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by = nfsiod >>>=20 >>> (cherry picked from commit = 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e) >>>=20 >>> When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the = crash happens. >> Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want it right >> away, here it is, >> but he'll probably commit it soon anyhow: >> diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c = b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c >> index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644 >> --- a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c >> +++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c >> @@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct >> thread *td, struct ucred *cred) >> return (error); >> } >>=20 >> +static bool >> +ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode *vp) >> +{ >> + vm_object_t obj; >> + >> + obj =3D vp->v_object; >> + if (obj =3D=3D NULL) >> + return (true); >> + return (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && >> + vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0); >> +} >> + >> /* >> * Vnode op for read using bio >> */ >> @@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, = int >> ioflag, struct ucred *cred) >> * unlocked read by nfsiod could obliterate changes >> * done by userspace. >> */ >> - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && >> - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && >> - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D = 0) { >> + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) { >> for (nra =3D 0; nra < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < = seqcount && >> (off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; = nra++) { >> rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra; >> @@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, = int >> ioflag, struct ucred *cred) >> * directory offset cookie of the next block.) >> */ >> NFSLOCKNODE(np); >> - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && >> - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && >> - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0 = && >> + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp) && >> (bp->b_flags & B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 && >> (np->n_direofoffset =3D=3D 0 || >> (lbn + 1) * NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) && >>=20 >> rick >> ps: It appears that autofs causes the directory to be read before it >> is open'd for >> some reason. I've never looked at autofs. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Peter >>>=20 >>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today = (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the same problem. >>>=20 >>> I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys = and type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I = plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am = using NFSv3 >>>=20 >>> Peter >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode >>> cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 >>> fault virtual address =3D 0x89 >>> fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present >>> instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 >>> stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 >>> frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 >>> code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b >>> =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 >>> processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 >>> current process =3D 6869 (csh) >>> trap number =3D 12 >>> panic: page fault >>> cpuid =3D 2 >>> time =3D 1705306940 >>> KDB: stack backtrace: >>> #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 >>> #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 >>> #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 >>> #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d >>> #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f >>> #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 >>> #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e >>> #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 >>> #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a >>> #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 >>> #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce >>> #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 >>> #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 >>> #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 >>> #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 >>> #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 >>> Cy Schubert > schrieb: >>>=20 >>> In message = >>> om> >>> , Rick Macklem writes: >>>=20 >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop = >=3D >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Van: FreeBSD User > >>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 >>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > >>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT >>>=20 >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 = main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D >>>=20 >>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 >>>=20 >>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the = mentioned cl=3D >>>=20 >>> ient, other is FreeBSD >>>=20 >>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. >>>=20 >>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other = NFSv4 F=3D >>>=20 >>> S (a simple ls -la). >>>=20 >>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have = physicla a=3D >>>=20 >>> ccess to the client >>>=20 >>> host, luckily the box recovers. >>>=20 >>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same = sources? >>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two >>> modules and did bump the >>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. >>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have >>> been rebuilt as a part of >>> the kernel build.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hello Cy Shubert, >>>=20 >>> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted = filesystems. Good question, >>> by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mounting = the tradidional way. >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>>=20 >>> oh >>>=20 >>> -- >>> O. Hartmann >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B446E3CF-0FF6-43D4-8183-BBBFFE305EFE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Rick,

I = can confirm Kostik=E2=80=99s fix works on 13-stable.

Peter

On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:13, Peter Blok <pblok@bsd4all.org> = wrote:

I can give it a shot = on one of my clients.

On 15 = Jan 2024, at 16:04, Rick Macklem <rick.macklem@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:53=E2=80=AFAM Peter Blok = <pblok@bsd4all.org> wrote:

Hi,

Forgot to mention I=E2=80=99m = on 13-stable. The fix that is causing the crash with automounted NFS = is:

commit = cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b
Author: = Konstantin Belousov <kib@FreeBSD.org>
Date:   Tue = Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200

   nfsclient: limit situations when we do = unlocked read-ahead by nfsiod

   (cherry picked from commit = 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e)

When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and = the crash happens.
Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want = it right
away, here it = is,
but he'll = probably commit it soon anyhow:
diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c = b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644
--- = a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
+++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c
@@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ = nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct
thread *td, struct ucred = *cred)
       return = (error);
}

+static bool
+ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode = *vp)
+{
+ =       vm_object_t obj;
+
+       obj =3D = vp->v_object;
+       if (obj =3D=3D = NULL)
+ =             &n= bsp; return (true);
+       return = (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) &&
+ =           vp->v_objec= t->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0);
+}
+
/*
 * Vnode op for read using = bio
 */
@@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio = *uio, int
ioflag, = struct ucred *cred)
          &nb= sp;     * unlocked read by nfsiod could = obliterate changes
          &nb= sp;     * done by userspace.
          &nb= sp;     */
- =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 &&
- =             &n= bsp;     !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object)= &&
- =             &n= bsp;     vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writema= ppings =3D=3D 0) {
+ =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && = ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) {
          &nb= sp;        for (nra =3D 0; nra = < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < seqcount = &&
          &nb= sp;            = ;(off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; nra++) {
          &nb= sp;            = ;rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra;
@@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio = *uio, int
ioflag, = struct ucred *cred)
          &nb= sp;     *  directory offset cookie of the = next block.)
          &nb= sp;     */
          &nb= sp;    NFSLOCKNODE(np);
- =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 &&
- =             &n= bsp;     !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object)= &&
- =             &n= bsp;     vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writema= ppings =3D=3D 0 &&
+ =             &n= bsp; if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && = ncl_bioread_dora(vp) &&
          &nb= sp;        (bp->b_flags & = B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 &&
          &nb= sp;        (np->n_direofoffset = =3D=3D 0 ||
          &nb= sp;        (lbn + 1) * = NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) &&

rick
ps: It appears that autofs = causes the directory to be read before it
is open'd for
     some reason. I've never looked = at autofs.


Peter

On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, = Peter Blok <pblok@bsd4all.org> wrote:

Hi,

I do have a crash on a NFS = client with stable of today (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). = It is also autofs related. Maybe it is the same problem.
I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd = /am/ports/sys and type tab to autocomplete it crashes with the below = stack trace. If I plainly mount ports on /usr/ports and do the same = everything works. I am using NFSv3

Peter




Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04
fault virtual = address =3D 0x89
fault code =3D supervisor read data, page = not present
instruction pointer =3D = 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4
stack pointer =        =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
frame pointer        =3D = 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830
code segment =3D base 0x0, limit = 0xfffff, type 0x1b
=3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, = gran 1
processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, = IOPL =3D 0
current process =3D 6869 (csh)
trap= number =3D 12
panic: page fault
cpuid =3D = 2
time =3D 1705306940
KDB: stack = backtrace:
#0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65
#1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152
#2 = 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43
#3 0xffffffff809d58ad at = trap_fatal+0x38d
#4 0xffffffff809d58ff at = trap_pfault+0x4f
#5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8
#6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e
#7 = 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0
#8 = 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a
#9 = 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#10 = 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce
#11 = 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20
#12 = 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222
#13 = 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29
#14 = 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110
#15 = 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8



On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, = FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de> wrote:

Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800
Cy Schubert = <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> schrieb:

In message <CAM5tNy5aat8vUn2fsX9jV=3DD9yGZdnO20Q0Ea7qtszx+zSES2bw@mail.gmai= l.c
om>
, Rick Macklem writes:

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM = Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>=3D
wrote:



Van: FreeBSD = User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: 13 = januari 2024 19:34
Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: = NFSv4 crash of CURRENT

Hello,

running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT = #4 main-n267556-69748e62e82a=3D

: Sat Jan = 13 18:08:32

CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 = server is same OS revision as the mentioned cl=3D

ient, other is FreeBSD

13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, = non-kerberized.

I can crash the client = reproducable by accessing the one or other NFSv4 F=3D

S (a simple ls -la).

The NFSv4 = FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physicla a=3D

ccess to the client

host, luckily the box recovers.

Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the = same sources?
I did a commit to main that changes the = interface between these two
modules and did bump the
__FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be = rebuilt.
(If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel = config, both should have
been rebuilt as a part of
the kernel build.)


Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too?



Hello Cy = Shubert,

I forgot to mention that those = crashes occur with autofs mounted filesystems. Good question,
by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when = mounting the tradidional way.

Kind = regards,

oh

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I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that's it : https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's very EOL. I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on arm 32 bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using the freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 directly on that machine,as you can read below : [image: unnamed.png] I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking about on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable or upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. Do you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks. -- Mario. --000000000000be129c060efe1b19 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to everyone.

I'm t= rying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model xe303c12 ; = I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that's it = :


Th= e problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's ve= ry EOL.
I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but= I'm on arm 32 bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automati= cally using the freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't ins= tall 14 directly on that machine,as you can read below :


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I've looked all= around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking about on the Free= BSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable or upgradable. It = does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. Do you have any sug= gestions that can help me ? Thanks.

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X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:40.104.0.0/14, country:US] Judging by a commit message BSD on the ARM Chromebook didn't work when support was removed in 2019. >RK* Exynos* and Meson*/Odroid* don't even work with current >source code, if someone wants to make them work again they >better use the Linux DTS. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67bbf6242e825= 801f18 I have one of the "snow" Chromebooks. The warnings in the web page https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook led me not to try FreeBSD. None of the many bugs seemed likely to ever be fixed. I'm not using it so I could try an experiment, but fighting with u-boot is not how I want to spend my days. Even the popular Raspberry Pi takes skill or luck. (So "build an arm6 world and copy X, Y, and Z to the DOS partition on your USB drive" is the kind of advice I need to supplement the old Chromebook wiki page.) There is at least a little value in getting it to work because the armv6 code is bit rotting and will go away entirely unless people use it. John Carr > On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:59, Mario Marietto wrote: >=20 > Hello to everyone. >=20 > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model xe30= 3c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that's it : >=20 > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook >=20 > The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's ve= ry EOL. > I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on arm 32 bit,t= hat's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using the freebsd-update s= cript. It is also true that I can't install 14 directly on that machine,as = you can read below : >=20 >=20 > >=20 > I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking abou= t on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable or up= gradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. Do you= have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks. >=20 > --=20 > Mario. 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The fix that is causing the c= rash with automounted NFS > is: >=20 > commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b > Author: Konstantin Belousov > Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 >=20 > nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by nfsiod > =20 > (cherry picked from commit 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e) >=20 > When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash hap= pens. >=20 > Peter >=20 > > On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok wrote: > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today > > (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related. = Maybe it is the > > same problem. > >=20 > > I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and t= ype tab to > > autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I plainly mount = ports on /usr/ports > > and do the same everything works. I am using NFSv3 > >=20 > > Peter > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 > > fault virtual address =3D 0x89 > > fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present > > instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 > > stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > > frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > > code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > > =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 > > processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 > > current process =3D 6869 (csh) > > trap number =3D 12 > > panic: page fault > > cpuid =3D 2 > > time =3D 1705306940 > > KDB: stack backtrace: > > #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 > > #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 > > #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 > > #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d > > #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f > > #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 > > #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e > > #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 > > #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a > > #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > > #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce > > #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > > #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 > > #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 > > #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 > > #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User >> > wrote: > >>=20 > >> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 > >> Cy Schubert > schrieb: > >> =20 > >>> In message >>> =20 > >>> om> =20 > >>> , Rick Macklem writes: =20 > >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop >>>> >=3D wrote: =20 > >>>>>=20 > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> Van: FreeBSD User > > >>>>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > >>>>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > >>>>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-69748e= 62e82a=3D =20 > >>>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 =20 > >>>>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the mentio= ned cl=3D =20 > >>>> ient, other is FreeBSD =20 > >>>>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > >>>>>=20 > >>>>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other N= FSv4 F=3D =20 > >>>> S (a simple ls -la). =20 > >>>>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have phys= icla a=3D =20 > >>>> ccess to the client =20 > >>>>> host, luckily the box recovers. =20 > >>>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same s= ources? > >>>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two > >>>> modules and did bump the > >>>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. > >>>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have > >>>> been rebuilt as a part of > >>>> the kernel build.) > >>>> =20 > >>>=20 > >>> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? > >>>=20 > >>> =20 > >>=20 > >> Hello Cy Shubert, > >>=20 > >> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted files= ystems. Good > >> question, by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when mo= unting the > >> tradidional way. > >>=20 > >> Kind regards, > >>=20 > >> oh > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> O. Hartmann =20 > > =20 >=20 good catch! --=20 O. Hartmann From nobody Mon Jan 15 16:36:24 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDHpv33PTz57JRC for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp052.goneo.de (smtp5.goneo.de [IPv6:2001:1640:5::8:30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TDHpt6zYKz591W for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub1.goneo.de (hub1.goneo.de [IPv6:2001:1640:5::8:52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp5.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD59240CF5; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:36:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub1.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2E642409B1; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:36:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1705336612; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=pXMGLdga9a8WXe146UXpS30vpqGCXRMMwnvE2RNOjsI=; b=ONifsAOMMp5Q3jeiiWG/UObLFrgm4XTQbt4/TDAFNJx/Vu5huVLjj1ySkV8ctiuPjspt5y wQZ3UOExDvMJBUv20EP6EiCasTBET9RU2errEY5sNJabPqnXjMT1HijCiMsMCvPMgHC3T0 GqgWAPt4+kcAzzZLz8lU1/4e0j4RorEn8Y4OuGrgd9KAgjswu9dn21wkBBuwIEnAapzLWg euY1BPCqJX3kArSbTIXIXq5SQcxtNOgT5LIFwYsbnqaoNpzw/bHnlQkIfNjxVCt6nvqQos 8Bz8PBPNWZ2XGJ5ujUmybBTbUZwY9r9y53K1PFdspmqwsTy/8aHdzDB1YWJFPw== Received: from thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de (dynamic-089-012-064-156.89.12.pool.telefonica.de [89.12.64.156]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4702224087D; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:36:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:36:24 +0100 From: FreeBSD User To: Peter Blok Cc: Rick Macklem , Cy Schubert , Ronald Klop , FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT Message-ID: <20240115173651.5b1572c0@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20240113193324.3fd54295@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <1369645989.13766.1705178331205@localhost> <20240115043412.B6998C8@slippy.cwsent.com> <20240115064704.611fe0c4@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <683EF50F-6665-4664-A7CE-1EFE50076FB0@bsd4all.org> Organization: walstatt-de.de List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-UID: 43891d X-Rspamd-UID: df2d32 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDHpt6zYKz591W X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:2001:1640::/32, country:DE] Am Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:59:07 +0100 Peter Blok schrieb: > Rick, >=20 > I can confirm Kostik=E2=80=99s fix works on 13-stable. >=20 > Peter Me, too. The patch fixed the reported problem. Thank you very much. oh >=20 > > On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:13, Peter Blok wrote: > >=20 > > I can give it a shot on one of my clients. > > =20 > >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:04, Rick Macklem >> > wrote: > >>=20 > >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:53=E2=80=AFAM Peter Blok > > >> wrote: =20 > >>>=20 > >>> Hi, > >>>=20 > >>> Forgot to mention I=E2=80=99m on 13-stable. The fix that is causing t= he crash with automounted > >>> NFS is: > >>>=20 > >>> commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b > >>> Author: Konstantin Belousov > > >>> Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 > >>>=20 > >>> nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by nfsi= od > >>>=20 > >>> (cherry picked from commit 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186= e) > >>>=20 > >>> When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash= happens. =20 > >> Kostik has already come up with a probable fix. If you want it right > >> away, here it is, > >> but he'll probably commit it soon anyhow: > >> diff --git a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio= .c > >> index c027d7d7c3fd..1cf45bb0c924 100644 > >> --- a/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c > >> +++ b/sys/fs/nfsclient/nfs_clbio.c > >> @@ -414,6 +414,18 @@ nfs_bioread_check_cons(struct vnode *vp, struct > >> thread *td, struct ucred *cred) > >> return (error); > >> } > >>=20 > >> +static bool > >> +ncl_bioread_dora(struct vnode *vp) > >> +{ > >> + vm_object_t obj; > >> + > >> + obj =3D vp->v_object; > >> + if (obj =3D=3D NULL) > >> + return (true); > >> + return (!vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > >> + vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0); > >> +} > >> + > >> /* > >> * Vnode op for read using bio > >> */ > >> @@ -486,9 +498,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int > >> ioflag, struct ucred *cred) > >> * unlocked read by nfsiod could obliterate changes > >> * done by userspace. > >> */ > >> - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && > >> - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > >> - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0)= { > >> + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp)) { > >> for (nra =3D 0; nra < nmp->nm_readahead && nra < se= qcount && > >> (off_t)(lbn + 1 + nra) * biosize < nsize; nra++= ) { > >> rabn =3D lbn + 1 + nra; > >> @@ -675,9 +685,7 @@ ncl_bioread(struct vnode *vp, struct uio *uio, int > >> ioflag, struct ucred *cred) > >> * directory offset cookie of the next block.) > >> */ > >> NFSLOCKNODE(np); > >> - if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && > >> - !vm_object_mightbedirty(vp->v_object) && > >> - vp->v_object->un_pager.vnp.writemappings =3D=3D 0 = && > >> + if (nmp->nm_readahead > 0 && ncl_bioread_dora(vp) && > >> (bp->b_flags & B_INVAL) =3D=3D 0 && > >> (np->n_direofoffset =3D=3D 0 || > >> (lbn + 1) * NFS_DIRBLKSIZ < np->n_direofoffset) && > >>=20 > >> rick > >> ps: It appears that autofs causes the directory to be read before it > >> is open'd for > >> some reason. I've never looked at autofs. > >> =20 > >>>=20 > >>> Peter > >>>=20 > >>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok > > >>> wrote: > >>>=20 > >>> Hi, > >>>=20 > >>> I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today > >>> (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related= . Maybe it is the > >>> same problem. > >>>=20 > >>> I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and= type tab to > >>> autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I plainly moun= t ports on > >>> /usr/ports and do the same everything works. I am using NFSv3 > >>>=20 > >>> Peter > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > >>> cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 > >>> fault virtual address =3D 0x89 > >>> fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present > >>> instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 > >>> stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > >>> frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > >>> code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > >>> =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 > >>> processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 > >>> current process =3D 6869 (csh) > >>> trap number =3D 12 > >>> panic: page fault > >>> cpuid =3D 2 > >>> time =3D 1705306940 > >>> KDB: stack backtrace: > >>> #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 > >>> #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 > >>> #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 > >>> #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d > >>> #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f > >>> #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 > >>> #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e > >>> #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 > >>> #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a > >>> #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > >>> #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce > >>> #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > >>> #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 > >>> #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 > >>> #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 > >>> #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User >>> > wrote: > >>>=20 > >>> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 > >>> Cy Schubert > schrieb: > >>>=20 > >>> In message >>> =20 > >>> om> =20 > >>> , Rick Macklem writes: > >>>=20 > >>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop >>> >=3D wrote: > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> Van: FreeBSD User > > >>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > >>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > >>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > >>>=20 > >>> Hello, > >>>=20 > >>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-69748e62= e82a=3D > >>>=20 > >>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 > >>>=20 > >>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the mentione= d cl=3D > >>>=20 > >>> ient, other is FreeBSD > >>>=20 > >>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > >>>=20 > >>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other NFS= v4 F=3D > >>>=20 > >>> S (a simple ls -la). > >>>=20 > >>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have physic= la a=3D > >>>=20 > >>> ccess to the client > >>>=20 > >>> host, luckily the box recovers. > >>>=20 > >>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same so= urces? > >>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these two > >>> modules and did bump the > >>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuilt. > >>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should have > >>> been rebuilt as a part of > >>> the kernel build.) > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>>=20 > >>> Hello Cy Shubert, > >>>=20 > >>> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted file= systems. Good > >>> question, by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when m= ounting the > >>> tradidional way. > >>>=20 > >>> Kind regards, > >>>=20 > >>> oh > >>>=20 > >>> -- > >>> O. Hartmann =20 > > =20 >=20 --=20 O. 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But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only one that thinks like this. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM John F Carr wrote: > Judging by a commit message BSD on the ARM Chromebook didn't work > when support was removed in 2019. > > >RK* Exynos* and Meson*/Odroid* don't even work with current > >source code, if someone wants to make them work again they > >better use the Linux DTS. > > https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67bbf6242e8= 25801f18 > > I have one of the "snow" Chromebooks. The warnings in the web page > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook led me not to try FreeBSD. > None of the many bugs seemed likely to ever be fixed. I'm not using it > so I could try an experiment, but fighting with u-boot is not how I want > to spend my days. Even the popular Raspberry Pi takes skill or luck. > > (So "build an arm6 world and copy X, Y, and Z to the DOS partition > on your USB drive" is the kind of advice I need to supplement the old > Chromebook wiki page.) > > There is at least a little value in getting it to work because the armv6 > code is bit rotting and will go away entirely unless people use it. > > John Carr > > > > On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:59, Mario Marietto > wrote: > > > > Hello to everyone. > > > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model > xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that'= s > it : > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook > > > > The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's > very EOL. > > I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on arm 32 > bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using the > freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 directly o= n > that machine,as you can read below : > > > > > > > > > > I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking > about on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable > or upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. > Do you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks. > > > > -- > > Mario. > > --=20 Mario. --0000000000006d9686060efec4a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. B= ut let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM = Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. I ask= this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and Linux. To= day if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it as is. Yes= ,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. But if you w= ant to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. So,do you know = some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,there are cases w= hen you need to do some experiments so that you can keep your machine off t= he internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compromise it. Totall= y prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports and packages is= not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only one that thinks l= ike this.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM John F Carr <jfc@mit.edu> wrote:
Judging by a commit m= essage BSD on the ARM Chromebook didn't work
when support was removed in 2019.

>RK* Exynos* and Meson*/Odroid* don't even work with current
>source code, if someone wants to make them work again they
>better use the Linux DTS.
https://cgit.freebs= d.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67bbf6242e825801f18

I have one of the "snow" Chromebooks.=C2=A0 The warnings in the w= eb page
https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook led me not to try= FreeBSD.
None of the many bugs seemed likely to ever be fixed.=C2=A0 I'm not usi= ng it
so I could try an experiment, but fighting with u-boot is not how I want to spend my days.=C2=A0 Even the popular Raspberry Pi takes skill or luck.<= br>
(So "build an arm6 world and copy X, Y, and Z to the DOS partition
on your USB drive" is the kind of advice I need to supplement the old<= br> Chromebook wiki page.)

There is at least a little value in getting it to work because the armv6 code is bit rotting and will go away entirely unless people use it.

John Carr


> On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:59, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote: >
> Hello to everyone.
>
> I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook mod= el xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,= that's it :
>
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
>
> The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that&#= 39;s very EOL.
> I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on a= rm 32 bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using t= he freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 direc= tly on that machine,as you can read below :
>
>
> <unnamed.png>
>
> I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm t= alking about on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be u= sable or upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my g= oal. Do you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks.
>
> --
> Mario.



--
Mario.
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Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall wrote: > On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto wrote: > > > > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. > > For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last > cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is n= ot > a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s = 19 years old and has been largely > dead for several years. > > > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM > Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. > > Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from > =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?' > > > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and > Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it > as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. > But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. > So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You > know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can > keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can > compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removin= g > ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the onl= y > one that thinks like this. > > If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is > stopping you, but: > > - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git, > you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in > the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go. > > - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree wil= l > not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an older > checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you. > > In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainl= y *will* > have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to d= o > this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and end > up compromised. > > The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining > things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported > lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re > welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and > maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you want > to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then the= re > are probably a few companies that will happily take your money. > > Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not = totally > unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs the > project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so thi= s > isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophically= , I think > making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad idea > but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online > indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile > from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily. > > It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would g= uess that > you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a cloud > VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for a smal= l number > of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an importan= t > thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own money on > doing it. > > David > > --=20 Mario. --0000000000007e39b1060f007600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.

Do you have deleted f= orever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored= in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money ? If yes,wh= ere ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise.

On Mon, Jan 1= 5, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto &= lt;marietto2008= @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.

For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las= t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This= is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2= =80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.

> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th= e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=

Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr= om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'= ;

> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and= Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it = as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2= =A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.= So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t= here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo= ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr= omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports= and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o= ne that thinks like this.

If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto= pping you, but:

=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still= in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig= ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch= and go.

=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports = tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o= lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo = for you.=C2=A0

In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly = *will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo= u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa= re and end up compromised.

The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th= ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif= etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch= es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I= f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)= then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=

Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to= tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and = costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN= , so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph= ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s= oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da= te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a= nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.

It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue= ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a = cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f= or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin= k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen= d your own money on doing it.

David



--
Mario.
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The fix that is causing the= crash with automounted NFS > > is: > > > > commit cc5cda1dbaa907ce52074f47264cc45b5a7d6c8b > > Author: Konstantin Belousov > > Date: Tue Jan 2 00:22:44 2024 +0200 > > > > nfsclient: limit situations when we do unlocked read-ahead by nfsio= d > > > > (cherry picked from commit 70dc6b2ce314a0f32755005ad02802fca7ed186e= ) > > > > When I remove the fix, the problem is gone. Add it back and the crash h= appens. > > > > Peter > > > > > On 15 Jan 2024, at 09:31, Peter Blok wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I do have a crash on a NFS client with stable of today > > > (4c4633fdffbe8e4b6d328c2bc9bb3edacc9ab50a). It is also autofs related= . Maybe it is the > > > same problem. > > > > > > I have ports automounted on /am/ports. When I do cd /am/ports/sys and= type tab to > > > autocomplete it crashes with the below stack trace. If I plainly moun= t ports on /usr/ports > > > and do the same everything works. I am using NFSv3 > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > > cpuid =3D 2; apic id =3D 04 > > > fault virtual address =3D 0x89 > > > fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present > > > instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xffffffff809645d4 > > > stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > > > frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xfffffe00acadb830 > > > code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > > > =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 > > > processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 > > > current process =3D 6869 (csh) > > > trap number =3D 12 > > > panic: page fault > > > cpuid =3D 2 > > > time =3D 1705306940 > > > KDB: stack backtrace: > > > #0 0xffffffff806232f5 at kdb_backtrace+0x65 > > > #1 0xffffffff805d7a02 at vpanic+0x152 > > > #2 0xffffffff805d78a3 at panic+0x43 > > > #3 0xffffffff809d58ad at trap_fatal+0x38d > > > #4 0xffffffff809d58ff at trap_pfault+0x4f > > > #5 0xffffffff809af048 at calltrap+0x8 > > > #6 0xffffffff804c7a7e at ncl_bioread+0xb7e > > > #7 0xffffffff804b9d90 at nfs_readdir+0x1f0 > > > #8 0xffffffff8069c61a at vop_sigdefer+0x2a > > > #9 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > > > #10 0xffffffff81ce75de at autofs_readdir+0x2ce > > > #11 0xffffffff809f8ae0 at VOP_READDIR_APV+0x20 > > > #12 0xffffffff806c3002 at kern_getdirentries+0x222 > > > #13 0xffffffff806c33a9 at sys_getdirentries+0x29 > > > #14 0xffffffff809d6180 at amd64_syscall+0x110 > > > #15 0xffffffff809af95b at fast_syscall_common+0xf8 > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 06:46, FreeBSD User > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Am Sun, 14 Jan 2024 20:34:12 -0800 > > >> Cy Schubert > schrieb: > > >> > > >>> In message > >>> > > >>> om> > > >>> , Rick Macklem writes: > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:39=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Ronald Klop > >>>> >=3D wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Van: FreeBSD User > > > >>>>> Datum: 13 januari 2024 19:34 > > >>>>> Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > >>>>> Onderwerp: NFSv4 crash of CURRENT > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hello, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> running CURRENT client (FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #4 main-n267556-6974= 8e62e82a=3D > > >>>> : Sat Jan 13 18:08:32 > > >>>>> CET 2024 amd64). One NFSv4 server is same OS revision as the ment= ioned cl=3D > > >>>> ient, other is FreeBSD > > >>>>> 13.2-RELEASE-p8. Both offer NFSv4 filesystems, non-kerberized. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I can crash the client reproducable by accessing the one or other= NFSv4 F=3D > > >>>> S (a simple ls -la). > > >>>>> The NFSv4 FS is backed by ZFS (if this matters). I do not have ph= ysicla a=3D > > >>>> ccess to the client > > >>>>> host, luckily the box recovers. > > >>>> Did you rebuild both the nfscommon and nfscl modules from the same= sources? > > >>>> I did a commit to main that changes the interface between these tw= o > > >>>> modules and did bump the > > >>>> __FreeBSD_version to 1500010, which should cause both to be rebuil= t. > > >>>> (If you have "options NFSCL" in your kernel config, both should ha= ve > > >>>> been rebuilt as a part of > > >>>> the kernel build.) > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> Is anyone by chance seeing autofs in the backtrace too? > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Hello Cy Shubert, > > >> > > >> I forgot to mention that those crashes occur with autofs mounted fil= esystems. Good > > >> question, by the way, I will check whether crashes also happen when = mounting the > > >> tradidional way. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> > > >> oh > > >> > > >> -- > > >> O. Hartmann > > > > > > > good catch! Don't thank me, thank Kostik. He's already committed the patch. Btw, I didn't look at fixing this because I knew Kostik would fix it before I had it figured out;-) Thanks everyone for reporting it, rick > > -- > O. 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All ports are available from the GIT repo (cgit.freebsd.org). On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello. > > Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 > or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small > amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my > expertise. > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall > wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto wrote: >> > >> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. >> >> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last >> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is = not >> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s= 19 years old and has been largely >> dead for several years. >> >> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM >> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. >> >> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from >> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?' >> >> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and >> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use i= t >> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. >> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. >> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You >> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you ca= n >> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can >> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removi= ng >> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the on= ly >> one that thinks like this. >> >> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is >> stopping you, but: >> >> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git= , >> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in >> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go. >> >> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree >> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an old= er >> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you= . >> >> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certain= ly *will* >> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to = do >> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and en= d >> up compromised. >> >> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining >> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported >> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re >> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and >> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wan= t >> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then th= ere >> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money. >> >> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not= totally >> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs th= e >> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so th= is >> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophicall= y, I think >> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad ide= a >> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online >> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile >> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily. >> >> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would = guess >> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a >> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for= a small >> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an >> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own >> money on doing it. >> >> David >> >> > > -- > Mario. > --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --000000000000836581060f03fa2e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Old packages are not retained after EOL, but por= ts are version agnostic (more or less, as the current ports tree is only ar= tested to run on supported versions and some are marked as "BROKEN&qu= ot; for some versions). All ports are available from the GIT repo (cgit.freebsd.org).

On Mon, Jan 15= , 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello.
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Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for= FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for = a small amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my= expertise.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnal= l <theraven@fr= eebsd.org> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wro= te:
>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.

For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las= t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This= is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2= =80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.

> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th= e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=

Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr= om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'= ;

> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and= Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it = as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2= =A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.= So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t= here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo= ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr= omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports= and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o= ne that thinks like this.

If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto= pping you, but:

=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still= in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig= ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch= and go.

=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports = tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o= lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo = for you.=C2=A0

In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly = *will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo= u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa= re and end up compromised.

The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th= ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif= etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch= es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I= f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)= then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=

Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to= tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and = costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN= , so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph= ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s= oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da= te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a= nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.

It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue= ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a = cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f= or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin= k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen= d your own money on doing it.

David



--
Mario.


--
Kevin= Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
--000000000000836581060f03fa2e-- From nobody Tue Jan 16 17:18:08 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDwhG6c7fz57f3J for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 17:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TDwhG2PQ7z4k4F; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 17:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsd-lists@bsdforge.com has no SPF policy when checking 24.113.41.81) smtp.mailfrom=bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 40GHI9rA085313; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:18:08 -0800 From: Chris To: Olivier Certner Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 In-Reply-To: <6714298.qJWK8QVVMX@ravel> References: <2eabfb91-afc3-47f7-98b9-1a1791ae6e7d@app.fastmail.com> <6714298.qJWK8QVVMX@ravel> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <9155214edb61b1bc3bad3bc96f96e22b@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDwhG2PQ7z4k4F X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+] On 2024-01-09 00:47, Olivier Certner wrote: >> Why not make noatime the default across the whole system? Outside of mbox >> why is recording access time actually useful? > > Exactly. > > I've never found any compelling reason in most uses to enable "atime", > except > perhaps local mail but as addressed in other answers it is a relic of the > past > mostly irrelevant today. And its drawbacks are well known and can be > serious. > > The auditing use is not what I consider "normal" in the sense I suspect it > concerns a small minority of users (maybe even tiny). Plus, serious > auditing > requires keeping a log (generally immutable) of accesses, i.e., more than a > single > time and, as pointed out in another answer, at least the ID of the user > performing > the access. Updating the access time field on files/directories doesn't > address > both. > > What "relatime" only gives you is a guarantee that you know that some file > has > been accessed at some point after its last modification (or creation), and > that > the access time is correct if precision is only a day. It also generally > lowers > I/O obviously, but not in some scenarios (file creation and subsequent > read). > > So, to me, at this point, it still sounds more than a gimmick than something > really useful. If someone has a precise use case for it and motivation, > than of > course please go ahead. > > In the short term, I'd vote for turning "atime" off by default. > > Thanks and regards. Honestly! Why do we have to upend decades of usage and understanding? Just because it's old doesn't mean it's wrong. Several weeks of replies confirm my initial belief -- atime as it is currently implemented, is as it should be. Administrators and users have spent years to decades finessing their systems and policies based on the way the OS works. In fact administrators and users *pick* their OS based on the way it works. In the case of atime; decades of scripting/policy and utilities have been created based upon the it's expected behavior on any given OS. I haven't seen anything in this thread that wouldn't be better placed in tuning(7) or tunefs(8). * Silicon disks fail without warning tapes did as well. Unless you're working with punch cards please implement an effective backup strategy -- snapshot(8) * writing to my disk takes a long time see tuning(7) or tunefs(8) * atime doesn't work like "realtime" does on Linux use Linux instead or add the ability to also use realtime Security and forensics are good reasons to keep atime unchanged. Any discussion regarding changes to it's current behavior seems folly or bikeshedding. 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I found only two related > reviews D17675 and D17676 and no more any information. It is a very > desirable thing on modern laptops, where s3 is not supported like my X1 > Carbon gen11[1]. > > [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon > It works for me on my Lenovo Yoga that's a couple of years old, modulo the build-in wifi card. Warner --000000000000e5b7ce060f144ee5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:24=E2=80=AFAM = Oleksandr Kryvulia <shuriku@sh= urik.kiev.ua> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hello,
What is a status of support suspend to idle? I found only two related reviews D17675 and D17676= and no more any information. It is a very desirable thing on modern laptops, where s3 is not supported like my X1 Carbon gen11[1].

[1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon<= /span>

It works for me on my L= enovo Yoga that's a couple of years old, modulo the build-in wifi card.=

Warner=C2=A0
--000000000000e5b7ce060f144ee5-- From nobody Tue Jan 16 18:55:10 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDyr90xPtz57q5m for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shuriku@shurik.kiev.ua) Received: from mail.flex-it.com.ua (mail.flex-it.com.ua [193.239.74.7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TDyr82SR7z527G for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shuriku@shurik.kiev.ua) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of shuriku@shurik.kiev.ua designates 193.239.74.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=shuriku@shurik.kiev.ua Received: from 93.183.208.50.ipv4.datagroup.ua ([93.183.208.50] helo=[192.168.200.105]) by mail.flex-it.com.ua with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rPoad-000LfX-0T for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:55:11 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------eFYiduk6X4gqG1rswTrI0HB3" Message-ID: <69efb2e1-bbb0-4f81-abd8-847744921831@shurik.kiev.ua> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 20:55:10 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: suspend to idle support To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: uk-UA From: Oleksandr Kryvulia In-Reply-To: X-ACL-Warn: SPF failed. 93.183.208.50 is not allowed to send mail from shurik.kiev.ua. X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35297, ipnet:193.239.72.0/22, country:UA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[shurik.kiev.ua]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDyr82SR7z527G This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------eFYiduk6X4gqG1rswTrI0HB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 16.01.24 20:29, Warner Losh: > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:24 AM Oleksandr Kryvulia > wrote: > > Hello, > What is a status of support suspend to idle? I found only two > related reviews D17675 and D17676 and no more any information. It > is a very desirable thing on modern laptops, where s3 is not > supported like my X1 Carbon gen11[1]. > > [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon > > > It works for me on my Lenovo Yoga that's a couple of years old, modulo > the build-in wifi card. On my X1: hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S4 S5 So no S3 state and no suspend-resume support. The erlier versions have a settings in BIOS which allow to enable S3 support, but not mine. Can you share your experience with how you set it up? --------------eFYiduk6X4gqG1rswTrI0HB3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 16.01.24 20:29, Warner Losh:

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:24 AM Oleksandr Kryvulia <shuriku@shurik.kiev.ua> wrote:
Hello,
What is a status of support suspend to idle? I found only two related reviews D17675 and D17676 and no more any information. It is a very desirable thing on modern laptops, where s3 is not supported like my X1 Carbon gen11[1].

[1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/Thinkpad_X1_Carbon

It works for me on my Lenovo Yoga that's a couple of years old, modulo the build-in wifi card.

On my X1:
hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S4 S5

So no S3 state and no suspend-resume support. The erlier versions have a settings in BIOS which allow to enable S3 support, but not mine. Can you share your experience with how you set it up?

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Thank you. >>> As discussed on the bi-weekly transport call, it would be great if people >>> could test the RACK stack for their workload. Please report any problems to the >>> net@ mailing list or open an issue in the bug tracker and drop me a note via email. >>> This includes regressions in CPU usage, regressions in performance or any other >>> unexpected change you observe. >>> >>> You can load the kernel module using >>> kldload tcp_rack >>> >>> You can make the RACK stack the default stack using >>> sysctl net.inet.tcp.functions_default=rack >>> >>> Based on the feedback we get, the default stack might be switched to the >>> RACK stack. >> Yes, please do it, at least for CURRENT. Last problem I have spotted with RACK was fixed in June: it was missing support TCP-MD5: >> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=02b885b09d1e90574162a1442b9ede06cef2b13a >> We switched to RACK since upgrading to early stable/13 and genuinely appreciate this gift from Netflix. The performance improvement is invaluable, both in a lossy LAN and on a long-haul overseas TCP connection. >>> Please let me know if you have any questions. >> Are any MFCs planned, especially to stable/14 ? Now, when stable/14 is almost in sync with main aka CURRENT it's an optimal time for such a MFC. When the change hits stable/14, it would be possible to test it extensively and have it fully functional in 14.1-RELEASE. > Let me bring that up on the next Transport call. Will report back. > > Best regards > Michael Thank you ! From now on stable/14 and in the future on 14.1-RELEASE one will be able to load tcp_rack and tcp_bbr out of the box running GENERIC kernel.[1] 1. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=123fd2a -- Marek Zarychta From nobody Tue Jan 16 23:02:48 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TF4Kv2qvfz58DsX for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 23:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TF4Kv0f07z4M78; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 23:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 00:02:48 +0100 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Chris Cc: Olivier Certner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Message-ID: <20240116230248.Rf6LfoWs@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <9155214edb61b1bc3bad3bc96f96e22b@bsdforge.com> References: <2eabfb91-afc3-47f7-98b9-1a1791ae6e7d@app.fastmail.com> <6714298.qJWK8QVVMX@ravel> <9155214edb61b1bc3bad3bc96f96e22b@bsdforge.com> Mail-Followup-To: Chris , Olivier Certner , freebsd-current@freebsd.org User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-588-g826cef48a3 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TF4Kv0f07z4M78 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15987, ipnet:217.144.128.0/20, country:DE] List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Chris wrote in <9155214edb61b1bc3bad3bc96f96e22b@bsdforge.com>: ... |I haven't seen anything in this thread that wouldn't be better placed in |tuning(7) |or tunefs(8). | |* Silicon disks fail without warning | tapes did as well. Unless you're working with punch cards please \ | implement |an | effective backup strategy -- snapshot(8) |* writing to my disk takes a long time | see tuning(7) or tunefs(8) |* atime doesn't work like "realtime" does on Linux | use Linux instead or add the ability to also use realtime 'Seems to me from a "git grep" that ZFS supports relatime. The number of atime matches for ufs is not that horrifying either. Sure the daily disc crawler touches anything, as was said, so relatime does not help once. For that the crawlers (locate, whatis, whatever) would need to use O_NOATIME, but FreeBSD says /* XXX LINUX_O_NOATIME: unable to be easily implemented. */, so that sucks. Maybe then noatime is the better way out. Having said that, i have never tried it, whether nullfs overmount for the crawlers would get over that. 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(graphics) In-Reply-To: (Chris's message of "Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:48:00 -0800") References: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 04:02:21 +0100 Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Chris writes: > I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. > But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). > It simply freezes at load. > Are Alder lake graphics supported? Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= 20230625). Reported success in https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 > releng/14.0-n265380-f9716eee8ab4 > 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U > vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 rev=0x0c hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 > device=0x46b3 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x3b3a > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = 'Alder Lake-UP3 GT1 [UHD Graphics]' > class = display > subclass = VGA 0x46b3 aka ADL-P is unstable with Linux < 5.17 or in drm-515-kmod. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfb924e33927 https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod/commit/3403defd86e5 include/drm/i915_pciids.h contains a list of supported Intel GPUs. drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_pci.c with .require_force_probe contain a list of unstable GPU generations. Previously, Linux < 5.5 used .alpha_support and Linux < 4.9 used .preliminary_hw_support. drm-kmod doesn't support hw.i915kms.force_probe (via loader.conf or kenv) tunable yet thus cannot override .require_force_probe for specific GPUs. 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I have consulted the wiki whether updating instructions exist. The copyright header in sys/contrib/dev/acpica/common/acfileio.c hints I need the file acpica-unix-*.tar.gz What I ran to update ACPICA so far is: cd /tmp fetch https://downloadmirror.intel.com/783534/acpica-unix-20230628.tar.gz cd /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/ ./acpica_prep.sh /tmp/acpica-unix-20230628.tar.gz rsync -aPv acpi_ca_destination/* . make -C /usr/src buildworld The 'buildworld' target stops with the following message: Building /usr/obj/path/to/git.freebsd.org/src/amd64.amd64/usr.sbin/acpi/acpidb/dsfield.o /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/components/dispatcher/dsfield.c:161:10: fatal error: 'aecommon.h' file not found 161 | #include "aecommon.h" | ^~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 error generated. *** Error code 1 Stop. make[5]: stopped in /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org/src/usr.sbin/acpi/acpidb Now, when I repeat running acpica_prep.sh with acpica-unix-20221020.tar_0.gz [1] to re-integrate the release of ACPICA which is currently in the tree, buildworld stops with the same message as well. 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To: freebsd-current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TFNZy4ZTSz4dv6 Op wo 17 jan 2024 om 10:53 schreef Idwer Vollering : > > Hi all, > > When attempting to build a newer release of ACPICA, it seems some > documentation is missing, or some steps are missing. I have consulted > the wiki whether updating instructions exist. > > The copyright header in sys/contrib/dev/acpica/common/acfileio.c hints > I need the file acpica-unix-*.tar.gz > > What I ran to update ACPICA so far is: > cd /tmp > fetch https://downloadmirror.intel.com/783534/acpica-unix-20230628.tar.gz > > cd /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/ Since I have checked out code in the homedir, this should have been: cd /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org//contrib/dev/acpica/ > ./acpica_prep.sh /tmp/acpica-unix-20230628.tar.gz > > rsync -aPv acpi_ca_destination/* . > > make -C /usr/src buildworld Same adjustment as above: make -C /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org//subdir/contrib/dev/acpica/ buildworld > > The 'buildworld' target stops with the following message: > Building /usr/obj/path/to/git.freebsd.org/src/amd64.amd64/usr.sbin/acpi/acpidb/dsfield.o > /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/components/dispatcher/dsfield.c:161:10: > fatal error: 'aecommon.h' file not found > 161 | #include "aecommon.h" > | ^~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1 error generated. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > make[5]: stopped in /path/to/dev/git.freebsd.org/src/usr.sbin/acpi/acpidb > > > Now, when I repeat running acpica_prep.sh with > acpica-unix-20221020.tar_0.gz [1] to re-integrate the release of > ACPICA which is currently in the tree, buildworld stops with the same > message as well. > > > [1] https://downloadmirror.intel.com/774880/acpica-unix-20221020.tar_0.gz From nobody Wed Jan 17 20:59:57 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TFdYk6PwMz56jM0 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 21:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TFdYk3QyXz4t42; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 21:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 40HKxwYA012211; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:59:57 -0800 From: Chris To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Alder lake supported? (graphics) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TFdYk3QyXz4t42 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] On 2024-01-16 19:02, Jan Beich wrote: > Chris writes: > >> I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. >> But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). >> It simply freezes at load. >> Are Alder lake graphics supported? > > Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= > 20230625). > Reported success in > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 > >> releng/14.0-n265380-f9716eee8ab4 >> 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-1215U >> vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 rev=0x0c hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086 >> device=0x46b3 subvendor=0x17aa subdevice=0x3b3a >> vendor = 'Intel Corporation' >> device = 'Alder Lake-UP3 GT1 [UHD Graphics]' >> class = display >> subclass = VGA > > 0x46b3 aka ADL-P is unstable with Linux < 5.17 or in drm-515-kmod. > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/dfb924e33927 > https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod/commit/3403defd86e5 > > include/drm/i915_pciids.h contains a list of supported Intel GPUs. > drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_pci.c with .require_force_probe contain > a list of unstable GPU generations. Previously, Linux < 5.5 used > .alpha_support and Linux < 4.9 used .preliminary_hw_support. > > drm-kmod doesn't support hw.i915kms.force_probe (via loader.conf or kenv) > tunable yet thus cannot override .require_force_probe for specific GPUs. > Instead it sets DRM_I915_FORCE_PROBE="*" to enable all unstable support. > https://github.com/freebsd/drm-kmod/commit/054cb0598cab Thank you for the informative report, Jan. Unfortunately I don't pass the conditional in Makefile for FreeBSD 15 or greater. I'm on 14. Commenting that conditional indicates I don't have a necessary file (linux/iosys-map.h). So looks like I'll we'll have to wait. 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I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files that have been included on the FreeBSD 11 revision 269385 to the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled correctly world,but when it starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option" errors. Is there a way to fix them ? # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken from this tutorial : https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300 # cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf # cd ./head-373300 # make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne= l I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkernel,but it didn't make any difference. ..... ..... -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024 >>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16 -------------------------------------------------------------- make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler. make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker. -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 202= 4 -------------------------------------------------------------- =3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf; PATH=3D/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome= book/head-373300/arm.armv 7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm= v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u= sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/ OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/= zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head -373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h= ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/ legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf' '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW' WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered. ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_END" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT" and so on... these options are included inside the file "std.exynos5250" (that I have copied from the old to the new source code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the offending lines : nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exynos/std.exynos5250 : #options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0 #options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15 #options ARM_L2_PIPT but I suspect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments I will make,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ... On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello. > > Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 > or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small > amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my > expertise. > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall > wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto wrote: >> > >> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. >> >> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last >> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is = not >> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s= 19 years old and has been largely >> dead for several years. >> >> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM >> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. >> >> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from >> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?' >> >> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and >> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use i= t >> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. >> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. >> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You >> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you ca= n >> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can >> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removi= ng >> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the on= ly >> one that thinks like this. >> >> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is >> stopping you, but: >> >> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git= , >> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in >> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go. >> >> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree >> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an old= er >> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you= . >> >> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certain= ly *will* >> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to = do >> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and en= d >> up compromised. >> >> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining >> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported >> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re >> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and >> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wan= t >> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then th= ere >> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money. >> >> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not= totally >> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs th= e >> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so th= is >> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophicall= y, I think >> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad ide= a >> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online >> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile >> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily. >> >> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would = guess >> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a >> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for= a small >> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an >> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own >> money on doing it. >> >> David >> >> > > -- > Mario. > --=20 Mario. --000000000000fedfbc060f2c216d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Hello to ever=
yone.

I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files =
that have been included on the FreeBSD 11 
revision 269385 to the new Fr=
eeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled correctly world,but when it
st=
arts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option" err=
ors. Is there a way to fix them ? 

# svn co =
http:=
//svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken from this tuto=
rial :

ht=
tps://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook

# svn co htt=
p://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300
# cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf
# cd ./head-373300
# make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne=
l

I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=
=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkernel,but it 
didn'=
t make any difference.

.....
.....
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
>>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
--------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:0=
4 CET 2024
--------------------------------------------------------------
=3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
--------------------------------------------------------------
cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf;  PATH=3D/usr/=
obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome=
book/head-373300/arm.armv
7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm=
v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u=
sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/=
zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h=
ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin  config  -d /usr/obj/mnt/=
zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW  -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS=
/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a
rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/c=
onf'  '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.


./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_EN=
D" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"
and so on..=
.

these options are included inside the file "std.ex=
ynos5250" (that I have copied from the old to the new
so=
urce code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the=
 offending lines :

nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exy=
nos/std.exynos5250 :

#options    IPI_IRQ_START=3D0
#options    IPI_IRQ_END=3D15
#options  =
  ARM_L2_PIPT

but I suspect that a lot= of options will be missing and the more comments I will make,the more the = chance that it will not work will increase. ...

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024= at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello.

Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBS= D 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small= amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expert= ise.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <= theraven@freebsd.= org> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.

For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las= t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This= is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2= =80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.

> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th= e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=

Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr= om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'= ;

> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and= Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it = as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2= =A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.= So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t= here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo= ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr= omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports= and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o= ne that thinks like this.

If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto= pping you, but:

=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still= in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig= ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch= and go.

=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports = tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o= lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo = for you.=C2=A0

In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly = *will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo= u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa= re and end up compromised.

The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th= ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif= etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch= es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I= f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)= then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=

Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to= tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and = costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN= , so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph= ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s= oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da= te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a= nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.

It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue= ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a = cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f= or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin= k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen= d your own money on doing it.

David



--
Mario.


--
Mario.
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(graphics) In-Reply-To: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> (Chris's message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:59:57 -0800") References: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:47:24 +0100 Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Chris writes: > On 2024-01-16 19:02, Jan Beich wrote: > >> Chris writes: >> >>> I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. >>> But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). >>> It simply freezes at load. >>> Are Alder lake graphics supported? >> Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= >> 20230625). >> Reported success in >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 [...] > I'm on 14. Commenting that conditional indicates I don't have a necessary > file (linux/iosys-map.h). So looks like I'll we'll have to wait. Or I'll > need to track 15. :( On current@ list -CURRENT is expected. Due to backward compatibility it's possible to run -CURRENT kernel with -RELEASE userland (world + packages). For example, poudriere (as used by the package cluster) relies on this to build binary packages for older FreeBSD versions on the same machine. Alternatively, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274770#c5 proposed a branch which removes .require_force_probe for both ADL-S and ADL-P. It builds fine on 14.0-RELEASE "as is" e.g., see ports/ diff below. diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version index 4a7c27611bc8..469071220731 100644 --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ # drm-kmod common version definition # # This will be included from consumers such as nvidia-drm -DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.118 -DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= drm_v5.15.118_4 +DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.focal +DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= 97a4ad4364 diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo index 3599fc42317b..cadc6be14456 100644 --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ -TIMESTAMP = 1703336317 -SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = 58e2fc195979e2361346ca57cc158e44413e5de26b83b951a631d09849caf90c -SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = 26092371 +TIMESTAMP = 1698298780 +SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97a4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = fc6a94a74aea714bb25ccf788b8361de4db348ef1893fc391d00bd346e828732 +SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97a4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = 26126042 From nobody Thu Jan 18 22:06:08 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TGGzf03Wvz576gq for ; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:54=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello to everyone. > > I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files that have been incl= uded on the FreeBSD 11 > revision 269385 to the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled co= rrectly world,but when it > starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option" errors. I= s there a way to fix them ? > > # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken fr= om this tutorial : > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook > > # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300 > # cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/con= f > # cd ./head-373300 > # make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildker= nel > > I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW b= uildworld buildkernel,but it > didn't make any difference. > > ..... > ..... > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024 > >>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" lin= e 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib > clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler. > make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" lin= e 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl > ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2= 024 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > =3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW > mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/s= ys > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf; PATH=3D/us= r/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch > romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro= mebook/head-373300/arm.armv > 7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.a= rmv7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m > nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:= /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/ > OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot= 2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head > -373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook= /head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/ > legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/mn= t/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo > ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/C= hromebook/head-373300/sys/a > rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf' = '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro > mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW' > WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered. > > ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_END" = / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT" > > and so on... > > these options are included inside the file "std.exynos5250" (that I have = copied from the old to the new > > source code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the= offending lines : > > > nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exynos/std.exynos5250 : > > #options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0 > #options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15 > > These likely require changes to adopt exynos to INTRNG. > #options ARM_L2_PIPT > > This is likely a nop. It was for ARMv4/5 only and google tells me exynos5250 was a dual core Cortex A-15, which is armv7. > but I suspect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments > I will make,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ... > There's likely a lot of work here... Warner > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto > wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 >> or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small >> amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my >> expertise. >> >> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall >> wrote: >> >>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto wrote= : >>> > >>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. >>> >>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last >>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is= not >>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99= s 19 years old and has been largely >>> dead for several years. >>> >>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM >>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. >>> >>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question fro= m >>> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?' >>> >>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD an= d >>> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use = it >>> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes= . >>> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. >>> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You >>> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you c= an >>> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone ca= n >>> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,remov= ing >>> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the o= nly >>> one that thinks like this. >>> >>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is >>> stopping you, but: >>> >>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in >>> git, you can. The scripts for building the release images are right th= ere >>> in the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go. >>> >>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree >>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an ol= der >>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for yo= u. >>> >>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certai= nly >>> *will* have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you= not >>> to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software= and >>> end up compromised. >>> >>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintainin= g >>> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported >>> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re >>> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and >>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wa= nt >>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then t= here >>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money. >>> >>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s no= t totally >>> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs t= he >>> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so t= his >>> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophical= ly, I think >>> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad id= ea >>> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online >>> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compil= e >>> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily. >>> >>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would= guess >>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a >>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results fo= r a small >>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an >>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your ow= n >>> money on doing it. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Mario. >> > > > -- > Mario. > --000000000000bd9405060f3f9248 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:54=E2=80=AF= PM Mario Marietto <marietto200= 8@gmail.com> wrote:
He=
llo to everyone.

I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW so=
urce files that have been included on the FreeBSD 11 
revision 269385 to=
 the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled correctly world,but wh=
en it
starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown optio=
n" errors. Is there a way to fix them ? 

# svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken fro=
m this tutorial :

https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
<=
code>
# svn co htt=
p://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300
# cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf
# cd ./head-373300
# make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne=
l

I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=
=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkernel,but it 
didn'=
t make any difference.

.....
.....
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
>>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
--------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:0=
4 CET 2024
--------------------------------------------------------------
=3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
--------------------------------------------------------------
cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf;  PATH=3D/usr/=
obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome=
book/head-373300/arm.armv
7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm=
v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u=
sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/=
zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h=
ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin  config  -d /usr/obj/mnt/=
zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW  -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS=
/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a
rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/c=
onf'  '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.


./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_EN=
D" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"
and so on..=
.

these options are included inside the file "std.ex=
ynos5250" (that I have copied from the old to the new
so=
urce code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the=
 offending lines :

nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exy=
nos/std.exynos5250 :

#options    IPI_IRQ_START=3D0
#options    IPI_IRQ_END=3D15

These likely require changes= to adopt exynos to INTRNG.
=C2=A0
#optio=
ns    ARM_L2_PIPT
This is likely a= nop. It was for ARMv4/5 only and google tells me exynos5250 was a dual cor= e Cortex A-15, which is armv7.

=C2=A0
but I susp= ect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments I will make= ,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ...

There's likely a lot of work here...

Warner
=C2=A0

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto = <marietto200= 8@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello.

Do you hav= e deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep = them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money = ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise.

On= Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org> wrote:=
On 15 Jan 2024,= at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.

For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las= t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This= is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2= =80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.

> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th= e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=

Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr= om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'= ;

> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and= Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it = as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2= =A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.= So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t= here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo= ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr= omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports= and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o= ne that thinks like this.

If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto= pping you, but:

=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still= in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig= ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch= and go.

=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports = tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o= lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo = for you.=C2=A0

In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly = *will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo= u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa= re and end up compromised.

The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th= ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif= etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2= =80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch= es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I= f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)= then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=

Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to= tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and = costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN= , so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph= ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s= oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da= te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a= nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.

It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue= ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a = cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f= or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin= k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen= d your own money on doing it.

David



--
Mario.


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Mario.
--000000000000bd9405060f3f9248-- From nobody Thu Jan 18 23:28:09 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TGJpH0RRKz57Gtq for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 23:28:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TGJpG4fj5z4QSX; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 23:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 40INS9tc099996; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:28:09 -0800 From: Chris To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Alder lake supported? (graphics) In-Reply-To: References: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <4bae65e0dc5766ce8c2cf58cff91af0d@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TGJpG4fj5z4QSX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] On 2024-01-18 08:47, Jan Beich wrote: > Chris writes: > >> On 2024-01-16 19:02, Jan Beich wrote: >> >>> Chris writes: >>> >>>> I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. >>>> But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). >>>> It simply freezes at load. >>>> Are Alder lake graphics supported? >>> Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= >>> 20230625). >>> Reported success in >>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 > [...] >> I'm on 14. Commenting that conditional indicates I don't have a necessary >> file (linux/iosys-map.h). So looks like I'll we'll have to wait. Or I'll >> need to track 15. :( > > On current@ list -CURRENT is expected. Due to backward compatibility it's > possible to run -CURRENT kernel with -RELEASE userland (world + packages). > For example, poudriere (as used by the package cluster) relies on this > to build binary packages for older FreeBSD versions on the same machine. > > Alternatively, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274770#c5 > proposed a branch which removes .require_force_probe for both ADL-S and > ADL-P. > It builds fine on 14.0-RELEASE "as is" e.g., see ports/ diff below. > > diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version > b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version > index 4a7c27611bc8..469071220731 100644 > --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version > +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version > @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ > # drm-kmod common version definition > # > # This will be included from consumers such as nvidia-drm > -DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.118 > -DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= drm_v5.15.118_4 > +DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.focal > +DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= 97a4ad4364 > diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo > index 3599fc42317b..cadc6be14456 100644 > --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo > +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo > @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ > -TIMESTAMP = 1703336317 > -SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = > 58e2fc195979e2361346ca57cc158e44413e5de26b83b951a631d09849caf90c > -SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = 26092371 > +TIMESTAMP = 1698298780 > +SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97a4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = > fc6a94a74aea714bb25ccf788b8361de4db348ef1893fc391d00bd346e828732 > +SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97Thank you very mua4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = > 26126042 Thank you very much for all your time and efforts in your replies, Jan. I examined the the forum thread and applied your patch to a current pull of ports. After deinstalling my current install of 515.118, I performed a make install. Which proceeded as expected. A kld_list resulted in a hard lock, in the same way 515.118 did. Requiring the use of the power button to power it down. Then a boot to single-user for an fsck(8). Nothing reported in the logs. A boot without loading via rc.conf was went without incident. A kldload i915kms locked it up hard. Again, nothing reported in the logs. I'm keeping recent copies of /var/logs/messages in case there is anything anyone might be interested in looking at. At this point I've resolved to boot a recent 15 and format my current slices and unpack a recent snapshot of 15 in hopes of getting decent graphics support on this. I'm happy to test or further report anything that might be helpful for others. Thanks again! --Chris From nobody Thu Jan 18 23:42:20 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TGK6W4NQJz57HxG for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 23:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TGK6W1mk5z4VqB; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 23:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsd-lists@bsdforge.com has no SPF policy when checking 24.113.41.81) smtp.mailfrom=bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 40INgL8L037763; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:42:20 -0800 From: Chris To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Alder lake supported? (graphics) In-Reply-To: <4bae65e0dc5766ce8c2cf58cff91af0d@bsdforge.com> References: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> <4bae65e0dc5766ce8c2cf58cff91af0d@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TGK6W1mk5z4VqB X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] On 2024-01-18 15:28, Chris wrote: > On 2024-01-18 08:47, Jan Beich wrote: >> Chris writes: >> >>> On 2024-01-16 19:02, Jan Beich wrote: >>> >>>> Chris writes: >>>> >>>>> I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. >>>>> But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). >>>>> It simply freezes at load. >>>>> Are Alder lake graphics supported? >>>> Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= >>>> 20230625). >>>> Reported success in >>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 >> [...] >>> I'm on 14. Commenting that conditional indicates I don't have a necessary >>> file (linux/iosys-map.h). So looks like I'll we'll have to wait. Or I'll >>> need to track 15. :( >> >> On current@ list -CURRENT is expected. Due to backward compatibility it's >> possible to run -CURRENT kernel with -RELEASE userland (world + packages). >> For example, poudriere (as used by the package cluster) relies on this >> to build binary packages for older FreeBSD versions on the same machine. >> >> Alternatively, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274770#c5 >> proposed a branch which removes .require_force_probe for both ADL-S and >> ADL-P. >> It builds fine on 14.0-RELEASE "as is" e.g., see ports/ diff below. >> >> diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >> b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >> index 4a7c27611bc8..469071220731 100644 >> --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >> +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ >> # drm-kmod common version definition >> # >> # This will be included from consumers such as nvidia-drm >> -DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.118 >> -DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= drm_v5.15.118_4 >> +DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.focal >> +DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= 97a4ad4364 >> diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >> b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >> index 3599fc42317b..cadc6be14456 100644 >> --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >> +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >> @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ >> -TIMESTAMP = 1703336317 >> -SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = >> 58e2fc195979e2361346ca57cc158e44413e5de26b83b951a631d09849caf90c >> -SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = 26092371 >> +TIMESTAMP = 1698298780 >> +SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97a4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = >> fc6a94a74aea714bb25ccf788b8361de4db348ef1893fc391d00bd346e828732 >> +SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97Thank you very mua4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) >> = 26126042 > Thank you very much for all your time and efforts in your replies, Jan. > I examined the the forum thread and applied your patch to a current pull of > ports. > After deinstalling my current install of 515.118, I performed a make > install. Which > proceeded as expected. A kld_list resulted in a hard lock, in the same way > 515.118 did. > Requiring the use of the power button to power it down. Then a boot to > single-user for > an fsck(8). Nothing reported in the logs. A boot without loading via rc.conf > was went > without incident. A kldload i915kms locked it up hard. Again, nothing > reported in the > logs. I'm keeping recent copies of /var/logs/messages in case there is > anything anyone > might be interested in looking at. > At this point I've resolved to boot a recent 15 and format my current slices > and unpack > a recent snapshot of 15 in hopes of getting decent graphics support on this. > I'm happy > to test or further report anything that might be helpful for others. > I forgot to mention. When calling kldload i915kms the screen returned only (transcribed): iic0: < I2C generic I/O > iicbus0 iic1: < I2C generic I/O > iicbus1 Lindebugfs registered Thanks again. --Chris From nobody Fri Jan 19 08:04:16 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TGXFj1hQJz587LG for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TGXFh1Vfkz4HGD; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 08:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsd-lists@bsdforge.com has no SPF policy when checking 24.113.41.81) smtp.mailfrom=bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 40J84Hmp059014; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 00:04:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 00:04:16 -0800 From: Chris To: Jan Beich Cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: Alder lake supported? (graphics) In-Reply-To: References: <666f1d1b09c1e23a36a90a125546f0f3@bsdforge.com> <4bae65e0dc5766ce8c2cf58cff91af0d@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <38ab771d76d26fd8dd026793aa9d37a7@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TGXFh1Vfkz4HGD X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=multimap; Matched map: local_wl_ip X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] On 2024-01-18 15:42, Chris wrote: > On 2024-01-18 15:28, Chris wrote: >> On 2024-01-18 08:47, Jan Beich wrote: >>> Chris writes: >>> >>>> On 2024-01-16 19:02, Jan Beich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chris writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I upgraded to an alder lake based machine and installed 14. >>>>>> But I can't seem to get the intel graphics loaded (drm-515-kmod). >>>>>> It simply freezes at load. >>>>>> Are Alder lake graphics supported? >>>>> Try drm-61-kmod instead (with gpu-firmware-intel-kmod-alderlake >= >>>>> 20230625). >>>>> Reported success in >>>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270888#c8 >>> [...] >>>> I'm on 14. Commenting that conditional indicates I don't have a necessary >>>> file (linux/iosys-map.h). So looks like I'll we'll have to wait. Or I'll >>>> need to track 15. :( >>> >>> On current@ list -CURRENT is expected. Due to backward compatibility it's >>> possible to run -CURRENT kernel with -RELEASE userland (world + packages). >>> For example, poudriere (as used by the package cluster) relies on this >>> to build binary packages for older FreeBSD versions on the same machine. >>> >>> Alternatively, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274770#c5 >>> proposed a branch which removes .require_force_probe for both ADL-S and >>> ADL-P. >>> It builds fine on 14.0-RELEASE "as is" e.g., see ports/ diff below. >>> >>> diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >>> b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >>> index 4a7c27611bc8..469071220731 100644 >>> --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >>> +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/Makefile.version >>> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ >>> # drm-kmod common version definition >>> # >>> # This will be included from consumers such as nvidia-drm >>> -DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.118 >>> -DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= drm_v5.15.118_4 >>> +DRM_KMOD_DISTVERSION= 5.15.focal >>> +DRM_KMOD_GH_TAGNAME= 97a4ad4364 >>> diff --git a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >>> b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >>> index 3599fc42317b..cadc6be14456 100644 >>> --- a/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >>> +++ b/graphics/drm-515-kmod/distinfo >>> @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ >>> -TIMESTAMP = 1703336317 >>> -SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = >>> 58e2fc195979e2361346ca57cc158e44413e5de26b83b951a631d09849caf90c >>> -SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.118-drm_v5.15.118_4_GH0.tar.gz) = 26092371 >>> +TIMESTAMP = 1698298780 >>> +SHA256 (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97a4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) = >>> fc6a94a74aea714bb25ccf788b8361de4db348ef1893fc391d00bd346e828732 >>> +SIZE (freebsd-drm-kmod-5.15.focal-97Thank you very mua4ad4364_GH0.tar.gz) >>> = 26126042 >> Thank you very much for all your time and efforts in your replies, Jan. >> I examined the the forum thread and applied your patch to a current pull of >> ports. >> After deinstalling my current install of 515.118, I performed a make >> install. Which >> proceeded as expected. A kld_list resulted in a hard lock, in the same way >> 515.118 did. >> Requiring the use of the power button to power it down. Then a boot to >> single-user for >> an fsck(8). Nothing reported in the logs. A boot without loading via >> rc.conf was went >> without incident. A kldload i915kms locked it up hard. Again, nothing >> reported in the >> logs. I'm keeping recent copies of /var/logs/messages in case there is >> anything anyone >> might be interested in looking at. >> At this point I've resolved to boot a recent 15 and format my current >> slices and unpack >> a recent snapshot of 15 in hopes of getting decent graphics support on >> this. I'm happy >> to test or further report anything that might be helpful for others. >> > I forgot to mention. When calling kldload i915kms > the screen returned only (transcribed): > > iic0: < I2C generic I/O > iicbus0 > iic1: < I2C generic I/O > iicbus1 > Lindebugfs registered > UPDATE It's not i915kms that causes the problem. Turns out to be the graphics/gpu-firmware-intel-kmod. I opened a pr (https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=276451). 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[209.85.167.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f17-20020ac25331000000b0050f1c739d36sm142599lfh.236.2024.01.19.09.34.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50e5a9bcec9so1176678e87.3 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5df3:0:b0:50e:7daf:3141 with SMTP id z19-20020ac25df3000000b0050e7daf3141mr14678lfq.58.1705685645598; Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:33:53 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Error while linking bsdinstall To: freebsd-current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000127e9060f4fe3cd" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.18 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.71)[subject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[fernape@freebsd.org,fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[fernape@freebsd.org,fernandoapesteguia@gmail.com]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.167.54:from]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.167.54:from,209.85.167.44:received] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TGmv42vJRz4SM1 --0000000000000127e9060f4fe3cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, I'm having a problem linking bsdinstall in current dfe30e41967f9b5112c42ca20ec2c366db74cef9 ld: error: undefined symbol: bsddialog_clear >>> referenced by part_wizard.c:76 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repos/src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/part_wizard.c:76) >>> part_wizard.o:(part_wizard) >>> referenced by part_wizard.c:84 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repos/src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/part_wizard.c:84) >>> part_wizard.o:(part_wizard) >>> referenced by partedit.c:126 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repos/src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/partedit.c:126) >>> partedit.o:(main) cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) *** Error code 1 Anything I forgot to do? This is in a branch that I had lingering that I rebased with main without any issues. Thanks in advance. --0000000000000127e9060f4fe3cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

I'm having a pro= blem linking bsdinstall in current dfe30e41967f9b5112c42ca20ec2c366db74cef9=

ld: error: undefined symbol: bsddialog_clear
&= gt;>> referenced by part_wizard.c:76 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repo= s/src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/part_wizard.c:76)
>>> =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 part_wizard.o:(part_wizard)
&= gt;>> referenced by part_wizard.c:84 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repo= s/src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/part_wizard.c:84)
>>> =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 part_wizard.o:(part_wizard)
&= gt;>> referenced by partedit.c:126 (/data/fernape_data/FreeBSD-repos/= src/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/partedit/partedit.c:126)
>>> =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 partedit.o:(main)
cc: error: link= er command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
*** Error = code 1

Anything I forgot to do? This is in a branc= h that I had lingering that I rebased with main without any issues.

Thanks in advance.
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