From nobody Mon Sep 2 07:07:22 2024 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Wy0FF6hvPz5MfKs for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2024 07:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Received: from mail.oetec.com (mail.oetec.com [108.160.241.186]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.oetec.com", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Wy0FF4grLz55lC for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2024 07:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [172.16.35.3] (pool-99-253-118-250.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.253.118.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.oetec.com (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPSA id 48277MTB074382 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 2 Sep 2024 03:07:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dclarke@blastwave.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=blastwave.org; s=default; t=1725260844; bh=lKV9fZTsCoOCA0aDRWoJ64uC4XSJRx0INheI7+MDYHI=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=pePObks4DUy/v1pflHZyS8KeVWW3PCJ072tH980dhzfu8ls5EDM3vBYg0Qr3NsCtw r1V3vjD0og8wpCd7EzrvLNMzelM7CXQ/ifdD7PksSnvJkqwW+nSGzPoXDKZ1VE8mmb byoGWFbQxurls+thQdQmwAZ/mmTrVfp5tn1BtWXgsgoqG7aFdFKlZZVdzTNf1EKQ+b vPoEST8NIpH2ujxZfjYbIaTyHBfDHdaFW8GbBtMZgZB+N2mQ1FhthEk2EonrcpHB10 0/+O+SKjQ7djXQEf51WU7yMnyxbBNyTkdVlkQMMI+QhIkittPRny+f+niRHLxFDIv/ 5TRAotJnc7m6w== Message-ID: <2530e0dc-eb42-4de8-9442-58131e47f57d@blastwave.org> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 03:07:22 -0400 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Anyone else seeing a stack of newline chars expressed at boot? Content-Language: en-CA To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Current References: From: Dennis Clarke Organization: GENUNIX In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 48277MTB074382 X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wy0FF4grLz55lC On 9/1/24 19:28, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Sep 1, 2024, 5:26 PM Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> >> I have only been seeing this in the last few weeks. Perhaps ten days or >> so. When I see the nice beastie on the console I then get each second >> delay expressed with a newline thus : >> >> | | >> +-----------------------------------------+ >> Autoboot in 10 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 9 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 8 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 7 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 6 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 5 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 4 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 3 seconds. [Space] to pause >> Autoboot in 2 seconds. [Space] to pause >> >> Seems odd. >> >> Curious if anyone else sees this? >> > > What kind of console? > Serial. Nothing fancy. The machine I use to watch the serial port is running 14.1-RELEASE-p3 and nothing fancy : callisto$ callisto$ uname -a FreeBSD callisto 14.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 callisto$ callisto$ id uid=1001(admsys) gid=1001(admsys) groups=1001(admsys),0(wheel),68(dialer) callisto$ callisto$ echo $TERM vt100 callisto$ callisto$ cu -s 38400 -l /dev/cuau0 Connected triton# triton# uname -apKU FreeBSD triton 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #12 main-n271936-0578fe492284-dirty: Sun Sep 1 22:52:43 GMT 2024 root@triton:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1500023 1500023 triton# triton# echo $TERM vt100 triton# So there we have it. -- -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken From nobody Tue Sep 3 23:47:36 2024 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Wz2P22z7Vz5Mgnm for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 23:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-pj1-x102e.google.com (mail-pj1-x102e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Wz2P11q61z4Pbm for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 23:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com header.s=20230601 header.b=jO4bORxT; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by mail-pj1-x102e.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2da4e84c198so160439a91.0 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 16:47:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1725407268; x=1726012068; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ERUtwZQL72LteZnKTs8gTszFW25E7T6S2IhGbPjHE6Q=; b=jO4bORxTmgJaCwUJ7elv+zQUhyOSlZTuznipuNcdfD8UP58CDqnC295NcB8UDqOAdD zYFMPtGlg9GXTsGAfDQQtg2/QNHF6Pspd5HXck4+V22Fluczfq+hMcudRnm9iLacN+vV mVElicbAw+iUis6bLiB3cpoRkNtx4Y4yky6zuQ0qOco3iAeH6w7pIHX6h23GlFzhR+CY Wqxx7mv4F9vUBOH4PIJyrJz0YLRwk/+3bYI9dgkdsSYXTnlSr6dbQ9BN+u/y1eph0aTt vhwGAtpsgiTaismct4GR4Ibh805XBQJcgl9rMZLGdWocCtfhY9QrFTp7ESfiw3v6TuJr U5UQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1725407268; x=1726012068; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ERUtwZQL72LteZnKTs8gTszFW25E7T6S2IhGbPjHE6Q=; b=FGt7QBjUajW9xhdIkEmRcn1Mo4aBLonhpx2Xeq9cypfXDOimAzGQiyRsVg1CxRVYWQ i5ySr4VGcAasbJBZH7cqZrtJNvxUnc1r2bWLf9EaZ6UYvEz2AHG31V3xb0eGkvfrbEsd umTK1iZNqV81qC/BRWH1L0+YWGw0WGsK+ST2XfbrVx4R1xlv8XHfe162SlECUP5Jgrxk rd0ogNDs5sV/rNkJxdZmIEJZA888X9iukmzWS9GAh/ShYKRrt5ntKL43fZFr/+SNOMlM 8YI0U7o4LIubiewJr64J+7lBTqu5hHGd4GSXtyM9Kv8BYaTFdeAgfXXU1d57GfCeM7/T E/RA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzAn7GzFCB4AY7WxiinwBgfEPZ8EcLTxgS3SanT1rMwoGEP7hu1 uMAMf0mWrPaWnkazwc+nOrILNF75Qkr/lBp1pCYt1SMNdVUtgD81JlufMOJoiHsE61ToYxlXyRR LuiiwIXgHJWIkyABqmrBRmoo4O/buDBR57p8auKSYpwZr0CQa X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IECfIRzX+8adzcaGBc42vzW86x4ED3uxsmwpD7SPXiJMV1mA/tX9zwLNA53WWgwlSi+ZyAmtz/cj6MzQZ8Ztrk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:17cc:b0:2da:8730:5683 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2da8730581dmr929098a91.39.1725407267816; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 16:47:47 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2530e0dc-eb42-4de8-9442-58131e47f57d@blastwave.org> In-Reply-To: <2530e0dc-eb42-4de8-9442-58131e47f57d@blastwave.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:47:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Anyone else seeing a stack of newline chars expressed at boot? To: Dennis Clarke Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004aa26d06213faf78" X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::102e:from]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wz2P11q61z4Pbm --0000000000004aa26d06213faf78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:07=E2=80=AFAM Dennis Clarke wrote: > On 9/1/24 19:28, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 1, 2024, 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Dennis Clarke > wrote: > > > >> > >> I have only been seeing this in the last few weeks. Perhaps ten days o= r > >> so. When I see the nice beastie on the console I then get each second > >> delay expressed with a newline thus : > >> > >> | | > >> +-----------------------------------------+ > >> Autoboot in 10 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 9 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 8 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 7 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 6 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 5 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 4 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 3 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> Autoboot in 2 seconds. [Space] to pause > >> > >> Seems odd. > >> > >> Curious if anyone else sees this? > >> > > > > What kind of console? > > > > Serial. Nothing fancy. The machine I use to watch the serial port is > running 14.1-RELEASE-p3 and nothing fancy : > > callisto$ > callisto$ uname -a > FreeBSD callisto 14.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 > callisto$ > callisto$ id > uid=3D1001(admsys) gid=3D1001(admsys) groups=3D1001(admsys),0(wheel),68(d= ialer) > callisto$ > callisto$ echo $TERM > vt100 > callisto$ > callisto$ cu -s 38400 -l /dev/cuau0 > Connected > > triton# > triton# uname -apKU > FreeBSD triton 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #12 > main-n271936-0578fe492284-dirty: Sun Sep 1 22:52:43 GMT 2024 > root@triton:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 > 1500023 1500023 > triton# > triton# echo $TERM > vt100 > triton# > > > > So there we have it. > stty -a? Warner > > -- > -- > Dennis Clarke > RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC > UNIX and Linux spoken > > --0000000000004aa26d06213faf78 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:07=E2=80=AFA= M Dennis Clarke <dclarke@blastw= ave.org> wrote:
On 9/1/24 19:28, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024, 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Dennis Clarke <dclarke@blastwave.org> w= rote:
>
>>
>> I have only been seeing this in the last few weeks. Perhaps ten da= ys or
>> so. When I see the nice beastie on the console I then get each sec= ond
>> delay expressed with a newline thus :
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-----------------------------------------+
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 10 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 9 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 8 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 7 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 6 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 5 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 4 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 3 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autoboot in 2 seconds. [Space] to pause
>>
>> Seems odd.
>>
>> Curious if anyone else sees this?
>>
>
> What kind of console?
>

Serial. Nothing fancy. The machine I use to watch the serial port is
running 14.1-RELEASE-p3 and nothing fancy :

callisto$
callisto$ uname -a
FreeBSD callisto 14.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64
callisto$
callisto$ id
uid=3D1001(admsys) gid=3D1001(admsys) groups=3D1001(admsys),0(wheel),68(dia= ler)
callisto$
callisto$ echo $TERM
vt100
callisto$
callisto$ cu -s 38400 -l /dev/cuau0
Connected

triton#
triton# uname -apKU
FreeBSD triton 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #12
main-n271936-0578fe492284-dirty: Sun Sep=C2=A0 1 22:52:43 GMT 2024
root@triton:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 1500023 1500023
triton#
triton# echo $TERM
vt100
triton#



So there we have it.

stty -a?

Warner
=C2=A0

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--
Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken

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Content-Language: en-CA To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <2530e0dc-eb42-4de8-9442-58131e47f57d@blastwave.org> From: Dennis Clarke Organization: GENUNIX In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-oetec-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-oetec-MailScanner-ID: 4841R9GN028123 X-oetec-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-oetec-MailScanner-From: dclarke@blastwave.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.65 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.960]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[blastwave.org,quarantine]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[blastwave.org:s=default]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[108.160.241.186:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[blastwave.org:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:812, ipnet:108.160.240.0/20, country:CA]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wz4bl3l1Kz4btL On 9/3/24 19:47, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 1:07 AM Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> On 9/1/24 19:28, Warner Losh wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2024, 5:26 PM Dennis Clarke >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have only been seeing this in the last few weeks. Perhaps ten days or >>>> so. When I see the nice beastie on the console I then get each second >>>> delay expressed with a newline thus : >>>> >>>> | | >>>> +-----------------------------------------+ >>>> Autoboot in 10 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 9 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 8 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 7 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 6 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 5 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 4 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 3 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> Autoboot in 2 seconds. [Space] to pause >>>> >>>> Seems odd. >>>> >>>> Curious if anyone else sees this? >>>> >>> >>> What kind of console? >>> >> >> Serial. Nothing fancy. The machine I use to watch the serial port is >> running 14.1-RELEASE-p3 and nothing fancy : >> >> callisto$ >> callisto$ uname -a >> FreeBSD callisto 14.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 >> callisto$ >> callisto$ id >> uid=1001(admsys) gid=1001(admsys) groups=1001(admsys),0(wheel),68(dialer) >> callisto$ >> callisto$ echo $TERM >> vt100 >> callisto$ >> callisto$ cu -s 38400 -l /dev/cuau0 >> Connected >> >> triton# >> triton# uname -apKU >> FreeBSD triton 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #12 >> main-n271936-0578fe492284-dirty: Sun Sep 1 22:52:43 GMT 2024 >> root@triton:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC-NODEBUG amd64 amd64 >> 1500023 1500023 >> triton# >> triton# echo $TERM >> vt100 >> triton# >> >> >> >> So there we have it. >> > > stty -a? > triton# echo $TERM vt100 triton# stty -a speed 38400 baud; 24 rows; 92 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk iutf8 oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl tab3 -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf rtsdtr cchars: discard = ^O; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X056T6pHPz40yc Hi Gleb, Could you check if this is relevant: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/16505 ? On 05.09.2024 12:41, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > got instant panic at start of userland on todays main: > > --- trap 0x9, rip = 0xffffffff8039fd8d, rsp = 0xfffffe021a59c8c8, rbp = 0xfffffe021a59c8e0 --- > spl_nvlist_empty() at spl_nvlist_empty+0x3d/frame 0xfffffe021a59c8e0 > zfsdev_ioctl_common() at zfsdev_ioctl_common+0x78d/frame 0xfffffe021a59c9f0 > zfsdev_ioctl() at zfsdev_ioctl+0x1ee/frame 0xfffffe021a59ca70 > devfs_ioctl() at devfs_ioctl+0x1a7/frame 0xfffffe021a59cb10 > VOP_IOCTL_APV() at VOP_IOCTL_APV+0x112/frame 0xfffffe021a59cb40 > VOP_IOCTL() at VOP_IOCTL+0x66/frame 0xfffffe021a59cbc0 > vn_ioctl() at vn_ioctl+0x195/frame 0xfffffe021a59cc30 > devfs_ioctl_f() at devfs_ioctl_f+0x57/frame 0xfffffe021a59cc80 > fo_ioctl() at fo_ioctl+0x3e/frame 0xfffffe021a59ccc0 > kern_ioctl() at kern_ioctl+0x28a/frame 0xfffffe021a59cd30 > sys_ioctl() at sys_ioctl+0x2b8/frame 0xfffffe021a59ce20 > syscallenter() at syscallenter+0x5cf/frame 0xfffffe021a59ce80 > amd64_syscall() at amd64_syscall+0x65/frame 0xfffffe021a59cf30 > fast_syscall_common() at fast_syscall_common+0xf8/frame 0xfffffe021a59cf30 > --- syscall (54, FreeBSD ELF64, ioctl), rip = 0x3fa386c2a8fa, rsp = 0x3fa379d24b38, rbp = 0x3fa379d24ba0 --- > Uptime: 28s -- Alexander Motin From nobody Thu Sep 5 17:03:39 2024 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X05Kp0thKz5WPXp for ; Thu, 05 Sep 2024 17:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X05Kp0Rpjz43jN; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 17:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1725555822; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=OcTlci8nLR9wJWzTmCzmgw/2sCequ3/1TZSIQkhMG0A=; b=f1Tbm62Oe+5KI800o0SeKxyCL0LHAXewQ5WX9VuRMOecWlyX2MrO4A7i1YAeXpGGiqMndR cxYwdQN4Z5KA/D/zpV3NaTe4Fhk8QCG0MClEaARct9N6bK8iIOeGAtVRfyKjbkp8FzJBJO HWuh62HO/FBWQ+lTTo+Qjy2ELsW1IXwX8r25xWQMETgUMggYbs7KIq9tzzab9FOGgGuay1 eHDaIw/fSd74PIlRLbhRE6kqvxm7SXd5ai0dkbBlw6GgaZSoVMjbaG1IonNAMzi/L2aPp0 cjOuibtnSr6cA10SUjbFrDvJo3PKa7LgMt3omuQzxuffW/MHc4etOenKTQSccg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1725555822; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=wCVX3ZeBX/ZWbT5Or3gOz7msz8yUV5MvsupRsJSxE5A+ptq37h/LFTUEvVc3FKsJ+Pyi7z IkSPxZDCFjnjbw/Io7+pxDzbIcz3824PEFP8CuE+hTdoHPKL1V7gf7X3gPyt3oG0zgjxzW vLoDHgNxAV+STn82+Duhk1fv3M6eVQuz44kELqOtRZKzbYWg9BMPJlt7nxal+SA9i2Lg5X WcW1CUJ54EBQtwO/o3KmSuS/B/QBUgLqRvlt//z8YXYsYFfXIavIDbn4Su2zWq0LH+OEYr 2fUUvLdPjkMOw2/xVilsy2kAKGhp83Qvym28wt3/TP4S5Eu2o5v57/8t42m6Dg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1725555822; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=OcTlci8nLR9wJWzTmCzmgw/2sCequ3/1TZSIQkhMG0A=; b=tRJYHHcO2CYA0vqxROsBPBEWtm+ru31frJX3Wi7VTGb0ryBHnCy5wtLyx1uPHUSTWREEyg m1M5tLJhO/69HC/QYtIHski9QhV6OKuzGe4OWrAi5OmYlXTRPt3Y/W+fBF9WMIQhrdp9pN 900W9G4a5f5QrCgMIlGPn+bbBbttU/Mw+CLY5YBETv5uqbwDVADP48SGm+JQO6L/mKLT2w o3GvX8w1LowrwNZExCwYm0b5IR8GIoxln/mPLVIH4N2kaUfFIXz09BKSjmRyFosKkjEbvG I9fTDFeUljAWzpknEhrQp6tD8hjEJ4zO5cdKI878e189pCLLjtaQ1OGZUolfaw== Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4X05Kn4Z3Tz1CDJ; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 17:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 10:03:39 -0700 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Alexander Motin Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic in zfs/nvlist Message-ID: References: <694ba8b2-65ae-4033-a027-102ea6d2f5ed@FreeBSD.org> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <694ba8b2-65ae-4033-a027-102ea6d2f5ed@FreeBSD.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 12:53:52PM -0400, Alexander Motin wrote: A> Hi Gleb, A> A> Could you check if this is relevant: A> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/16505 ? Yes! 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That needs to be updated. Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which usually isn't a problem, but can be across major (or multiple major) releases. Warner --000000000000c228630621742d52 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 8:13=E2=80=AFA= M void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
Hi,

when booting -current (arm64) after building world & friends and reboot= ing,
the beastie menu shows "Loader needs to be updated".

I presume this to be gptzfsboot because the system is root-on-zfs.

The issue I'm having is that I can't see in the manpage how to actu= ally
update it.

The system uses GELI encryption for zfs. i don't want to break this.

Loader, not boot. /boot/loader or loader.= efi does not match (is older than
and doesn't has the wrong v= ersion) the lua scripts. That needs to be updated.

Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which usu= ally isn't
a problem, but can be across major (or multiple ma= jor) releases.

Warner=C2=A0
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That needs to be >updated. > >Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which usually isn't >a problem, but can be across major (or multiple major) releases. > >Warner Hi Warner, some more context which I'm sorry I forgot to add source upgrade on a rpi4 (arm64) from n271321-9ae91f59c500 (28th July) to n271832-04262ed78d23 (today - this machine follows stablisation week) How is /boot/loader and/or loader.efi updated? 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 6, 2024, 8:44=E2=80=AFAM void wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2024 at 08:25:16AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > >On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 8:13=E2=80=AFAM void wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> when booting -current (arm64) after building world & friends and > rebooting, > >> the beastie menu shows "Loader needs to be updated". > >> > >> I presume this to be gptzfsboot because the system is root-on-zfs. > >> > >> The issue I'm having is that I can't see in the manpage how to actuall= y > >> update it. > >> > >> The system uses GELI encryption for zfs. i don't want to break this. > >> > > > >Loader, not boot. /boot/loader or loader.efi does not match (is older th= an > >and doesn't has the wrong version) the lua scripts. That needs to be > >updated. > > > >Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which usually isn't > >a problem, but can be across major (or multiple major) releases. > > > >Warner > > Hi Warner, > > some more context which I'm sorry I forgot to add > > source upgrade on a rpi4 (arm64) from n271321-9ae91f59c500 (28th July) to > n271832-04262ed78d23 > (today - this machine follows stablisation week) > > How is /boot/loader and/or loader.efi updated? > What is ESP in this context? > man loader.efi has the instructions. Warner --=20 > > > --0000000000006ff28d062174ad86 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Sep 6, 2024, 8:44=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 06, 2024 at 08:25:16AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote= :
>On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 8:13=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> when booting -current (arm64) after building world & friends a= nd rebooting,
>> the beastie menu shows "Loader needs to be updated".
>>
>> I presume this to be gptzfsboot because the system is root-on-zfs.=
>>
>> The issue I'm having is that I can't see in the manpage ho= w to actually
>> update it.
>>
>> The system uses GELI encryption for zfs. i don't want to break= this.
>>
>
>Loader, not boot. /boot/loader or loader.efi does not match (is older t= han
>and doesn't has the wrong version) the lua scripts. That needs to b= e
>updated.
>
>Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which = usually isn't
>a problem, but can be across major (or multiple major) releases.
>
>Warner

Hi Warner,

some more context which I'm sorry I forgot to add

source upgrade on a rpi4 (arm64) from n271321-9ae91f59c500 (28th July) to n= 271832-04262ed78d23
(today - this machine follows stablisation week)

How is /boot/loader and/or loader.efi updated?
What is ESP in this context?
=
man loader.efi has the instructions.=C2=A0

Warner=C2=A0

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--0000000000006ff28d062174ad86-- From nobody Fri Sep 6 17:50:52 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X0kL85N7Wz5VMh5 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2024 17:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X0kL76J0jz4FVX for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2024 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 486HoqPI024038; Sat, 7 Sep 2024 02:50:54 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725645054; bh=CQgM9btO8wLi9iFwzeLS3+xuQE7qIg72NbLIJAIN0lo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lw/EYrBmwRyVbzPugTsTtuoCPvbAcSzg0iE2aBn50VUwmvYje+yS5O+XpFg0z0etm nJRBRhsbsGTjvautct9DBzzokCDcLNWgD5wfNie6i0yylRyapbm1wJpqh6eBCKhNOH tZ2Hqo9OHqYXkZlE7oO2X/CtH9ktCTXAdSkxJ9BQ= Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 02:50:52 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Current , void Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240907025052.c93cd502dba60910f47a4c00@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X0kL76J0jz4FVX On Fri, 6 Sep 2024 09:00:58 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Fri, Sep 6, 2024, 8:44 AM void wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 06, 2024 at 08:25:16AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > >On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 8:13 AM void wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> when booting -current (arm64) after building world & friends and > > rebooting, > > >> the beastie menu shows "Loader needs to be updated". > > >> > > >> I presume this to be gptzfsboot because the system is root-on-zfs. > > >> > > >> The issue I'm having is that I can't see in the manpage how to actually > > >> update it. > > >> > > >> The system uses GELI encryption for zfs. i don't want to break this. > > >> > > > > > >Loader, not boot. /boot/loader or loader.efi does not match (is older than > > >and doesn't has the wrong version) the lua scripts. That needs to be > > >updated. > > > > > >Almost always this means 'you didn't update the ESP' which usually isn't > > >a problem, but can be across major (or multiple major) releases. > > > > > >Warner > > > > Hi Warner, > > > > some more context which I'm sorry I forgot to add > > > > source upgrade on a rpi4 (arm64) from n271321-9ae91f59c500 (28th July) to > > n271832-04262ed78d23 > > (today - this machine follows stablisation week) > > > > How is /boot/loader and/or loader.efi updated? > > What is ESP in this context? > > > > man loader.efi has the instructions. > > Warner Some additional explanation. Before, loader.efi itself could not be kicked directly from UEFI firmware and needs boot1.efi to kick loader.efi. In this case, boot code in ESP (uEFI System Partition, formatted with FAT32, 16 or possibly 12) was completely different with /boot/loader.efi. But now (by default for new UEFI installations), loader.efi can be kicked directly by UEFI firmware if it is put with proper directory and name in ESP. This would be what confusing you. With `make installworld` or usual freebsd-update, everything need updating in /boot/ should be updated, but nothing in ESP is updated automatically. This causes what you're experiencing. Unfortunately, how loader.efi should be installed in ESP depends on the environment it is installed. Old or buggy UEFI firmware could force you installing it as, for example for amd64, BOOT/EFI/BOOTx64.EFI in ESP to work, but usually BOOT/FreeBSD/loader.efi would work if UEFI boot manager is properly configured for it. Some would need ESP on all drives and keep all of them in sync. 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I followed the instructions: # gpart list | grep -Ew '(Name|efi)' 1. Name: da0p1 type: efi 2. Name: da0p2 3. Name: da0p3 1. Name: da0 The manpage says: " Second, let's mount the ESP, copy loader.efi to the special location reserved for FreeBSD EFI loaders, and unmount once finished: # mount_msdosfs /dev/nvd0p1 (my system would be da0p1) /boot/efi # cp /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi # umount /boot/efi " However, on this system, /boot/efi is mounted at boot-time so I just copied it over. ( /dev/gpt/efiboot0 on /boot/efi (msdosfs, local) ) I first checked to make sure the file being copied over was newer and the right type file /boot/loader.efi /boot/loader.efi: PE32+ executable (EFI application) Aarch64, for MS Windows, 2 sections ls -lah /boot/loader.efi -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 824K 6 Sep 14:47 /boot/loader.efi* file /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi: PE32+ executable (EFI application) Aarch64, for MS Windows, 2 sections ls -lah /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 830K 25 Jul 07:58 /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi* copied it over, rebooted, but the error message persists. 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.155:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209242, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X0r2b47xkz4H6b On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 02:50:52AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > >Some additional explanation. > >Before, loader.efi itself could not be kicked directly from UEFI >firmware and needs boot1.efi to kick loader.efi. >In this case, boot code in ESP (uEFI System Partition, formatted with >FAT32, 16 or possibly 12) was completely different >with /boot/loader.efi. > >But now (by default for new UEFI installations), loader.efi can be >kicked directly by UEFI firmware if it is put with proper directory >and name in ESP. This would be what confusing you. With >`make installworld` or usual freebsd-update, everything need updating >in /boot/ should be updated, but nothing in ESP is updated >automatically. This causes what you're experiencing. > >Unfortunately, how loader.efi should be installed in ESP depends on the >environment it is installed. Old or buggy UEFI firmware could force you >installing it as, for example for amd64, BOOT/EFI/BOOTx64.EFI in ESP to >work, but usually BOOT/FreeBSD/loader.efi would work if UEFI boot >manager is properly configured for it. >Some would need ESP on all drives and keep all of them in sync. >Yes, hard to automate properly for every possible situations, >unlike /boot/. Thanks for the explanation. The machine is headless. I grab the console from another pi via a usb <-> ttl cable. I've always associated (probably wrongly) UEFI with graphical-based installs and had to make a boot.config file in / to always use -h in order to get console output down the serial while booting. I'd use 'legacy' on this hardware if possible, rather than UEFI. if it's relevant, in /boot/efi there's, amongst other files, bcm2711-rpi-4-b.dtb bootcode.bin armstub8.bin fixup*.dat start*.elf u-boot.bin ubootefi.var These are all from the ESP from the image FreeBSD-15.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-RPI-20240725-82283cad12a4-271360 [1] Maybe I need to download latest -current snapshot and copy the contents of its ESP over to update the loader? [1] running bsdinstall [2] doesn't take care of the ESP completely. One has to run bsdinstall to the desired disk, then boot with the original image running, then copy the ESP from the original image to the ESP partition on the new disk, then reboot after unplugging the original image. [2] this was to facilitate a zfs-on-root install. [3] what I am trying to do now is source update the system in-situ in the normal way, on reboot the error popped up in the (ascii) beastie menu. 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Name: da0p1 > type: efi > 2. Name: da0p2 > 3. Name: da0p3 > 1. Name: da0 >=20 > The manpage says: >=20 > " Second, let's mount the ESP, copy loader.efi to the special location > reserved for FreeBSD EFI loaders, and unmount once finished: >=20 > # mount_msdosfs /dev/nvd0p1 (my system would be da0p1) /boot/efi > # cp /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi > # umount /boot/efi > " >=20 > However, on this system, /boot/efi is mounted at boot-time so I just = copied it over. >=20 > ( /dev/gpt/efiboot0 on /boot/efi (msdosfs, local) ) >=20 > I first checked to make sure the file being copied over was newer and = the right type >=20 > file /boot/loader.efi > /boot/loader.efi: PE32+ executable (EFI application) Aarch64, for MS = Windows, 2 sections >=20 > ls -lah /boot/loader.efi > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 824K 6 Sep 14:47 /boot/loader.efi* >=20 > file /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi > /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi: PE32+ executable (EFI application) = Aarch64, for MS Windows, 2 sections >=20 > ls -lah /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 830K 25 Jul 07:58 = /boot/efi/efi/freebsd/loader.efi* >=20 > copied it over, rebooted, but the error message persists. Do you have = any other suggestions > please? thanks What shows if you do the likes of (showing an amd64 context example): # ls -lah /boot/efi/efi/*/* -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 643K Aug 24 05:32 = /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 643K Aug 24 05:32 = /boot/efi/efi/FREEBSD/loader.efi If one is old, then it is probably the one actually being used. (The name bootx64.efi is amd64 specific: other platforms use other names.) 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Fri, 6 Sep 2024 18:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 23:52:58 +0100 From: void To: Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Current FreeBSD References: <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E.ref@yahoo.com> <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E@yahoo.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.20 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.402]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[103.168.172.155:from]; 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Sat, 7 Sep 2024 09:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:19:24 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E.ref@yahoo.com> <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E@yahoo.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DC8866B-BEF1-4D53-962F-3B7F93232A7E@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.76 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; 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Name: vtbd0p1 2. Name: vtbd0p2 3. Name: vtbd0p3 1. Name: vtbd0 on the guest, there is no ESP in this case, no bootx64.efi, /boot/efi is empty After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error message 'loader needs updating'. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fc80ec51a1f9975c0219693eacc15158; Sat, 07 Sep 2024 15:20:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:20:07 -0700 To: void , Current FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) References: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.47 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.47)[-0.470]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[f-m.fm,freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.30:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.30:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1Gxg3tPjz4FQd void wrote on Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 13:19:24 UTC : > hello again, >=20 > On Fri, Sep 06, 2024 at 03:13:59PM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: > > > >What shows if you do the likes of (showing an amd64 context example): > > > ># ls -lah /boot/efi/efi/*/* > >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 643K Aug 24 05:32 = /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi > >-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 643K Aug 24 05:32 = /boot/efi/efi/FREEBSD/loader.efi > > > >If one is old, then it is probably the one actually being used. > >(The name bootx64.efi is amd64 specific: other platforms use > >other names.) > > > >In such a case, you might need something like: > > > ># cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi >=20 > I have the same issue in a completely different context: >=20 > 1. amd64 not arm64 > 2. a vm running in bhyve, not baremetal > 3. the host is 15.0-CURRENT #0 n270917-5dbf886104b4 amd64 1500019 = 1500019 zfs-on-root > built July 4th. > 4. the guest is 13.4-STABLE stable/13-n258323-e7b4f6e0c064 amd64 = 1304500 1304500 zfs-on-root >=20 > 5. on the guest :- % gpart list | grep -Ew '(Name|efi)' > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > 1. Name: vtbd0 >=20 > on the guest, there is no ESP in this case, no bootx64.efi, /boot/efi = is empty I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not there. May be show something analogous to: # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' 1. Name: mmcsd1s1 efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) rawtype: 12 type: fat32lba 1. Name: mmcsd1 1. Name: da0p1 efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b label: BPIM3efi type: efi 2. Name: da0p2 efimedia: = HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-swap 3. Name: da0p3 efimedia: = HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-swap 4. Name: da0p4 efimedia: = HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-ufs 1. Name: da0 I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be the only alternative for various type of contexts.) I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory that is possibly used as a mount point. 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May be show something analogous to: > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > rawtype: 12 > type: fat32lba >1. Name: mmcsd1 >1. Name: da0p1 > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > label: BPIM3efi > type: efi >2. Name: da0p2 > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-swap >3. Name: da0p3 > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-swap >4. Name: da0p4 > efimedia: HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-ufs >1. Name: da0 > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory >that is possibly used as a mount point. > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount >point instead. > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error message 'loader needs updating'. This is on the guest # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' 1. Name: vtbd0p1 efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f type: freebsd-boot 2. Name: vtbd0p2 efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-swap 3. 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On the guest? Then what's the VM system you're using? Warner On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 11:27=E2=80=AFAM void wrote: > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: > > >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not > >there. May be show something analogous to: > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > rawtype: 12 > > type: fat32lba > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > >1. Name: da0p1 > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > label: BPIM3efi > > type: efi > >2. Name: da0p2 > > efimedia: > HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > >3. Name: da0p3 > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > >4. Name: da0p4 > > efimedia: > HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-ufs > >1. Name: da0 > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > >point instead. > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error > message 'loader needs updating'. > > This is on the guest > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > type: freebsd-boot > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > efimedia: > HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-swap > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-zfs > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > -- > > --000000000000bfb36106218b1df7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wait. On the guest?

Then what's the= VM system you're using?

Warner
On Sat, S= ep 7, 2024 at 11:27=E2=80=AFAM void <void= @f-m.fm> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:

>I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not
>there. May be show something analogous to:
>
># gpart list |=C2=A0 grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
>1. Name: mmcsd1s1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0rawtype: 12
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0type: fat32lba
>1. Name: mmcsd1
>1. Name: da0p1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x= 28,0x82000)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0label: BPIM3efi
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0type: efi
>2. Name: da0p2
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0efimedia: HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x= 82800,0x366000)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0type: freebsd-swap
>3. Name: da0p3
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0efimedia: HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x= 6861c800,0x732800)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0type: freebsd-swap
>4. Name: da0p4
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0efimedia: HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x= a1c800,0x67c00000)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0type: freebsd-ufs
>1. Name: da0
>
>I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively)
>ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be
>the only alternative for various type of contexts.)
>
>I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory
>that is possibly used as a mount point.
>
>In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is
>similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount
>point instead.
>
>> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same erro= r message 'loader needs updating'.

This is on the guest

# gpart list |=C2=A0 grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
1. Name: vtbd0p1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,= 0x400)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 type: freebsd-boot
2. Name: vtbd0p2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800= ,0x2000000)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 type: freebsd-swap
3. Name: vtbd0p3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x200= 0800,0xdfff000)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 type: freebsd-zfs
1. Name: vtbd0

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Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:23:52 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435.ref@yahoo.com> <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435@yahoo.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27:c]; 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On the guest? > > > >Then what's the VM system you're using? > > > >Warner > > Bhyve. > > The server is freebsd-current. The guest is 13.2-stable. > I see the error in the ascii beastie menu when booting the guest > with vmrun.sh > Hmmm, So somehow we're using the guest's boot loader and the host's /boot/lua files then, I think. Uggg. Warner --000000000000d90dca06218f9600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 12:24=E2=80=AF= PM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 = at 11:47:12AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
>Wait. On the guest?
>
>Then what's the VM system you're using?
>
>Warner

Bhyve.

The server is freebsd-current. The guest is 13.2-stable.
I see the error in the ascii beastie menu when booting the guest
with vmrun.sh

Hmmm, So somehow we'r= e using the guest's boot loader and
the host's /boot/lua = files then, I think. Uggg.

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--000000000000d90dca06218f9600-- From nobody Sun Sep 8 00:23:02 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1W0941Yqz5V93v for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 00:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1W084Vtdz4SMC for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 00:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 4880N2sf052846; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:23:03 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725754984; bh=QZBaQzHh6JVpFRs79zKhSu0DWKyM1h7BgConh4tKByg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ShX4TnP967VuEae+qa+1wvV4NzCo8a4Rte3UMWHvkADyFKJjydPWJbjAvV9d8++00 YvVMh7ig3kslCZPcVy/e1716npsdXArEnxmgt+SSZ4Y5ba1hj3zML2xMqaScDe6bCJ ELr+RwY3gc6LzDFalkIto9gf4Xoo3R0dw/PJ44QI= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:23:02 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, void Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240908092302.caa9f655693f71e03ee6b030@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435.ref@yahoo.com> <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435@yahoo.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1W084Vtdz4SMC On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 17:07:23 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 12:24 PM void wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 11:47:12AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > >Wait. On the guest? > > > > > >Then what's the VM system you're using? > > > > > >Warner > > > > Bhyve. > > > > The server is freebsd-current. The guest is 13.2-stable. > > I see the error in the ascii beastie menu when booting the guest > > with vmrun.sh > > > > Hmmm, So somehow we're using the guest's boot loader and > the host's /boot/lua files then, I think. Uggg. > > Warner Can it be in reverse? I've not read (even if it's already provided somewhere or attached) the vmrun.sh script, but isn't there any possibility that it somehow uses loader on bare-metal (regardless on /boot/ or on ESP) to kick the guests? If so, version mismatch happenes, but newer kicks older. But yes, usually it is not at all the problem, as newer loader codes in same interpreter (lua/4th) is keeping backward compatibilities, I guess. Another case is that void already stated that >>In such a case, you might need something like: >> >># cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi > >and the error is gone!!! TYVM in another mail in this thread [1]. This could mean that efi/freebsd/loader.efi in ESP is not called by the UEFI firmware and efi/BOOT/efi/bootx64.efi is used instead. 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Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:01:02 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435.ref@yahoo.com> <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435@yahoo.com> <20240908092302.caa9f655693f71e03ee6b030@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20240908092302.caa9f655693f71e03ee6b030@dec.sakura.ne.jp> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.59 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.792]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[103.168.172.155:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.155:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209242, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1Wqk05wxz4WvB On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:23:02AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: >Can it be in reverse? > >I've not read (even if it's already provided somewhere or attached) the >vmrun.sh script, but isn't there any possibility that it somehow >uses loader on bare-metal (regardless on /boot/ or on ESP) to kick the >guests? >If so, version mismatch happenes, but newer kicks older. >But yes, usually it is not at all the problem, as newer loader codes in >same interpreter (lua/4th) is keeping backward compatibilities, I guess. > >Another case is that void already stated that > >>>In such a case, you might need something like: >>> >>># cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi >> >>and the error is gone!!! TYVM > >in another mail in this thread [1]. I should have made it clearer, in that other case, i did # cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootaa64.efi as it was an arm64 context >This could mean that efi/freebsd/loader.efi in ESP is not called by >the UEFI firmware and efi/BOOT/efi/bootx64.efi is used instead. In *this* amd64 case, neither the -current server running bhyve nor the 13.4-stable guest have bootx64.efi present. /boot/efi is empty on both the server and the guest. -- From nobody Sun Sep 8 01:54:28 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1Y1Z126yz5VQ1X for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 01:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1Y1Y3RcHz4fD2 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 4881sSIP067222; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:54:28 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725760469; bh=vrDlbnHNnbX6OuvpKOZON+6ANoQfdkwC3zU7st48TF4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=LarC8iSrBVN33+Tqi+S+n/YFmf5qnVN0+rVbYK3sxGIAvLSspveEmjkaJuS4n1UgX rcuDCaqtW+6kNOCQuOfangvGbvqtf4ab6ZWr8LN+lJ89GJuP7nLWx5Sr6OIZWyeaYu 3fMqhvVftlkq1nJuusBva/L3ioAjMUymI8uegD04= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:54:28 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: void Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240908105428.5913d8310f2fc39b08da6ee8@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435.ref@yahoo.com> <9494862A-E445-43AC-8887-FACC84A74435@yahoo.com> <20240908092302.caa9f655693f71e03ee6b030@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1Y1Y3RcHz4fD2 On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:01:02 +0100 void wrote: > On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:23:02AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > >Can it be in reverse? > > > >I've not read (even if it's already provided somewhere or attached) the > >vmrun.sh script, but isn't there any possibility that it somehow > >uses loader on bare-metal (regardless on /boot/ or on ESP) to kick the > >guests? > >If so, version mismatch happenes, but newer kicks older. > >But yes, usually it is not at all the problem, as newer loader codes in > >same interpreter (lua/4th) is keeping backward compatibilities, I guess. > > > >Another case is that void already stated that > > > >>>In such a case, you might need something like: > >>> > >>># cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootx64.efi > >> > >>and the error is gone!!! TYVM > > > >in another mail in this thread [1]. > > I should have made it clearer, in that other case, i did > # cp -a /boot/loader.efi /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootaa64.efi > as it was an arm64 context > > >This could mean that efi/freebsd/loader.efi in ESP is not called by > >the UEFI firmware and efi/BOOT/efi/bootx64.efi is used instead. > > In *this* amd64 case, neither the -current server running bhyve > nor the 13.4-stable guest have bootx64.efi present. > > /boot/efi is empty on both the server and the guest. If not automounted, you can mount ESP manually as msdosfs there, at least for bare-metal host. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9472dcdaaabf373bd177d158a8aaca5b; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 02:38:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:38:47 -0700 To: void , Current FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) References: <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.965]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[f-m.fm,freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1Z0j1TmVz4jlZ void wrote on Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:27:00 UTC : > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 > >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not > >there. May be show something analogous to: > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > rawtype: 12 > > type: fat32lba > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > >1. Name: da0p1 > > efimedia: = HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > label: BPIM3efi > > type: efi > >2. Name: da0p2 > > efimedia: = HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > >3. Name: da0p3 > > efimedia: = HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > >4. Name: da0p4 > > efimedia: = HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-ufs > >1. Name: da0 > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > >point instead. > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error = message 'loader needs updating'. >=20 > This is on the guest >=20 > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > type: freebsd-boot As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of the likes of: # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 = /boot/gptboot.efi -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 = /boot/gptzfsboot is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only one of those supports zfs. Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to initially investigate. Looking at: "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only with UFS root file systems". "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-based computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk". BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context. So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 . I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context to be sure that the content ends up up to date: The Protective MBR variant: # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 The variant for without the Protective MBR: # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation. > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > efimedia: = HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-swap > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > efimedia: = HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-zfs > 1. 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May be show something analogous to: > > > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > > rawtype: 12 > > > type: fat32lba > > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > > >1. Name: da0p1 > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > > label: BPIM3efi > > > type: efi > > >2. Name: da0p2 > > > efimedia: > HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-swap > > >3. Name: da0p3 > > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-swap > > >4. Name: da0p4 > > > efimedia: > HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-ufs > > >1. Name: da0 > > > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > > >point instead. > > > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error > message 'loader needs updating'. > > > > This is on the guest > > > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > > type: freebsd-boot > > As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of > the likes of: > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 > /boot/gptboot.efi > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 /boot/gptzfsbo= ot > > is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only > one of those supports zfs. > > Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot > partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I > report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to > initially investigate. > > Looking at: > > "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only with UFS > root file systems". > > "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-based > computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk". > > BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: > EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it > needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context. > Yes So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in > vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs > to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look > up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 . > No. The message is not from this. But gpart bootcode will update it. It gets ugly only for MBR systems, not GPT ones. For MBR, there's a dd step. I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context > to be sure that the content ends up up to date: > > The Protective MBR variant: > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > The variant for without the Protective MBR: > # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > These are likely fine, but won't stop the out of date message. Warner Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES > section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation. > > > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000= ) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-zfs > > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > > > --0000000000005fae8f062192a677 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 8:39=E2=80=AFPM Mark Millard <= marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
void <void_at_f-m.fm> w= rote on
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:27:00 UTC :

> On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:
>
> >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not
> >there. May be show something analogous to:
> >
> ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
> >1. Name: mmcsd1s1
> > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000)
> > rawtype: 12
> > type: fat32lba
> >1. Name: mmcsd1
> >1. Name: da0p1
> > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82= 000)
> > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b
> > label: BPIM3efi
> > type: efi
> >2. Name: da0p2
> > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0= x366000)
> > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > type: freebsd-swap
> >3. Name: da0p3
> > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c80= 0,0x732800)
> > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > type: freebsd-swap
> >4. Name: da0p4
> > efimedia: HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,= 0x67c00000)
> > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > type: freebsd-ufs
> >1. Name: da0
> >
> >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly so= me
> >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be
> >the only alternative for various type of contexts.)
> >
> >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > >that is possibly used as a mount point.
> >
> >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is
> >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount
> >point instead.
> >
> >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same= error message 'loader needs updating'.
>
> This is on the guest
>
> # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
> 1. Name: vtbd0p1
> efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f
> type: freebsd-boot

As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of the likes of:

# ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot*
-r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch=C2=A0 62139 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2024 /= boot/gptboot
-r-xr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/= gptboot.efi
-r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr=C2=A0 8 01:15:54 2024 /boot/= gptzfsboot

is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only
one of those supports zfs.

Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot
partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I
report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to
initially investigate.

Looking at:

"man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only w= ith UFS
root file systems".

"man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-base= d
computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk".

BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS= -based
computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool".

So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of:
EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it
needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context.
<= /div>

Yes

So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in
vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs
to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look
up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 .

No. The message is not from this. But= gpart bootcode will update it. It gets ugly only for MBR systems, not GPT = ones. For MBR, there's a dd step.

I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context
to be sure that the content ends up up to date:

The Protective MBR variant:
# gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0

The variant for without the Protective MBR:
# gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0

These are likely fine, but w= on't stop the out of date message.

Warner

Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES<= br> section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation.

> 2. Name: vtbd0p2
> efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x200000= 0)
> rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> type: freebsd-swap
> 3. Name: vtbd0p3
> efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdf= ff000)
> rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> type: freebsd-zfs
> 1. Name: vtbd0


=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 23c8634a12a881b27ba1f802e2c71441; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 02:53:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:52:53 -0700 To: Tomoaki AOKI , Current FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) References: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1ZK32VQTz4nDP Tomoaki AOKI wrote on Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 01:54:28 UTC : > On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:01:02 +0100 > void wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:23:02AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > > . . . > > If not automounted, you can mount ESP manually as msdosfs there, at > least for bare-metal host. IIUC, recent installation by bsdinstall > creates fstab entry for it by default. void previously reported: QUOTE # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' 1. Name: vtbd0p1 efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f type: freebsd-boot 2. Name: vtbd0p2 efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-swap 3. Name: vtbd0p3 efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b type: freebsd-zfs 1. Name: vtbd0 END QUOTE There is no ESP present in the guest. Instead there is a "type: freebsd-boot" partition for which one of the likes of: # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot.efi -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 /boot/gptzfsboot would be in use. None of the 3 support the combination EFI and ZFS-for-root-file-system. The only one of those 3 supporting zfs is: gptzfsboot It is documented to only supports old style BIOS context: "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". gptboot and gptboot.efi only support UFS according to their man pages. If EFI is in use, then the ESP-ish partition is not from the guest context but from some place else --unless the man pages are wildly wrong about what is supported for the gpt*boot 's. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sun Sep 8 03:16:01 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1Zqf6XvRz5VN91 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 03:16:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1Zqf2S5Hz4r9G for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:16:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 4883G1Wa080155; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:16:02 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725765363; bh=ME92OJIShjwd1tlk2/X3kR+Q1duYtr+YB/4xtmQoraE=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=PuIdcX2cNGLumVwrz1WgZtj5Daf6nMjNTYJffzsYq8whs9BCSoirDsSa31Q3rWTJw vzhzxyh8tx1cTjvqYrj/ewcIEYJk/e382oJ3bWJiH67d/9kOqG6pnYUOmUNeizyBOd Q31puEsvISbd/gGiBdcYkPf27gQyIfvF0hbXf0Ko= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:16:01 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Mark Millard Cc: void , Current FreeBSD , Warner Losh Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240908121601.2cb0dd605bf1669028c4b4ae@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3@yahoo.com> References: <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3.ref@yahoo.com> <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3@yahoo.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1Zqf2S5Hz4r9G On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:38:47 -0700 Mark Millard wrote: > void wrote on > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:27:00 UTC : > > > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: > > > > >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not > > >there. May be show something analogous to: > > > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > > rawtype: 12 > > > type: fat32lba > > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > > >1. Name: da0p1 > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > > label: BPIM3efi > > > type: efi > > >2. Name: da0p2 > > > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-swap > > >3. Name: da0p3 > > > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-swap > > >4. Name: da0p4 > > > efimedia: HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-ufs > > >1. Name: da0 > > > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > > >point instead. > > > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error message 'loader needs updating'. > > > > This is on the guest > > > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > > type: freebsd-boot > > As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of > the likes of: > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot.efi > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 /boot/gptzfsboot > > is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only > one of those supports zfs. > > Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot > partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I > report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to > initially investigate. > > Looking at: > > "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only with UFS > root file systems". > > "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-based > computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk". > > BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: > EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it > needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context. > > So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in > vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs > to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look > up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 . > > I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context > to be sure that the content ends up up to date: > > The Protective MBR variant: > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > The variant for without the Protective MBR: > # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES > section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation. > > > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-zfs > > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com FYI: boot1.efi works with ZFS. gptboot.efi is basically the one which stripped ZFS-related codes from boot1.efi. And IIUC, boot1.efi shares most codes with loader.efi (except for its own FS module wrapper as a consumer, implemented for UFS and ZFS). It would be deleted in the future (that is your plan, Warner?), but currently still usable. -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Sun Sep 8 03:24:25 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1b196V3kz5VPbk for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 03:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1b193108z4sf8 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 4883OQaw081430; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:24:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725765866; bh=+WiFR/uTx5bserY8e1oKAkHwQYBgv9i+ZEteiShbZt4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=beLOm+kFYAYjUDFL2u3E8vSRIayVIWvGmzMwh6TH5D53wtF4gH9Ut8c4a0H/DiQRn t3NecXzaeB8KoaLTyL+oL8MAb9lEzyGJ4I1G98rzceL5pNjh1WdINVnOfDSPfKkR+Y rsF2WKnPSNYVa1P0+7tsHeb2EFGCcWDrpbDSRB0c= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:24:25 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Mark Millard Cc: Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240908122425.720c256cbe4a0c6ae77ded0d@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1b193108z4sf8 On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:52:53 -0700 Mark Millard wrote: > Tomoaki AOKI wrote on > Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 01:54:28 UTC : > > > On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:01:02 +0100 > > void wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:23:02AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > > > > . . . > > > > If not automounted, you can mount ESP manually as msdosfs there, at > > least for bare-metal host. IIUC, recent installation by bsdinstall > > creates fstab entry for it by default. > > void previously reported: > > QUOTE > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > type: freebsd-boot > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-swap > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > type: freebsd-zfs > 1. Name: vtbd0 > END QUOTE > > There is no ESP present in the guest. Instead there is a > "type: freebsd-boot" partition for which one of the likes of: > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot.efi > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 /boot/gptzfsboot > > would be in use. None of the 3 support the combination EFI and > ZFS-for-root-file-system. The only one of those 3 supporting zfs > is: gptzfsboot > It is documented to only supports old style BIOS context: > > "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > gptboot and gptboot.efi only support UFS according to their man > pages. > > If EFI is in use, then the ESP-ish partition is not from the guest > context but from some place else --unless the man pages are wildly > wrong about what is supported for the gpt*boot 's. > > === > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com Ah, I've overlooked that. Thanks. 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May be show something analogous to: > > > > > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > > > rawtype: 12 > > > > type: fat32lba > > > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > > > >1. Name: da0p1 > > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x8200= 0) > > > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > > > label: BPIM3efi > > > > type: efi > > > >2. Name: da0p2 > > > > efimedia: > HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > >3. Name: da0p3 > > > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > >4. Name: da0p4 > > > > efimedia: > HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > type: freebsd-ufs > > > >1. Name: da0 > > > > > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > > > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > > > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > > > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > > > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > > > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > > > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > > > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > > > >point instead. > > > > > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same erro= r > message 'loader needs updating'. > > > > > > This is on the guest > > > > > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > > > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > > > type: freebsd-boot > > > > As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of > > the likes of: > > > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboo= t > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 > /boot/gptboot.efi > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 > /boot/gptzfsboot > > > > is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only > > one of those supports zfs. > > > > Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot > > partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I > > report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to > > initially investigate. > > > > Looking at: > > > > "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only with UFS > > root file systems". > > > > "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-based > > computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk". > > > > BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > > > So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: > > EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it > > needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context. > > > > So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in > > vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs > > to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look > > up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 . > > > > I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context > > to be sure that the content ends up up to date: > > > > The Protective MBR variant: > > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > > > The variant for without the Protective MBR: > > # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > > > Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES > > section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation. > > > > > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > > > efimedia: > HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > > > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > type: freebsd-zfs > > > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > Mark Millard > > marklmi at yahoo.com > > FYI: > boot1.efi works with ZFS. gptboot.efi is basically the one which > stripped ZFS-related codes from boot1.efi. > > And IIUC, boot1.efi shares most codes with loader.efi (except for its > own FS module wrapper as a consumer, implemented for UFS and ZFS). > > It would be deleted in the future (that is your plan, Warner?), > but currently still usable. > That's the plan. There's a number of advanced features it doesn't support and it doubles the effort for many things.. However it insulates one from loader.efi changes... which some people use..= . Warner --=20 > Tomoaki AOKI > --000000000000ddf0bd06219346a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 9:16=E2=80=AFPM Tomoaki AOKI <= junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp&= gt; wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:38= :47 -0700
Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:

> void <void_at_f-m.fm> wrote on
> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:27:00 UTC :
>
> > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote:
> >
> > >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is no= t
> > >there. May be show something analogous to:
> > >
> > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
> > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1
> > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000)
> > > rawtype: 12
> > > type: fat32lba
> > >1. Name: mmcsd1
> > >1. Name: da0p1
> > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28= ,0x82000)
> > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b
> > > label: BPIM3efi
> > > type: efi
> > >2. Name: da0p2
> > > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82= 800,0x366000)
> > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > > type: freebsd-swap
> > >3. Name: da0p3
> > > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x68= 61c800,0x732800)
> > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > > type: freebsd-swap
> > >4. Name: da0p4
> > > efimedia: HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1= c800,0x67c00000)
> > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > > type: freebsd-ufs
> > >1. Name: da0
> > >
> > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effective= ly)
> > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possib= ly some
> > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.)
> > >
> > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directo= ry
> > >that is possibly used as a mount point.
> > >
> > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is
> > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > > >point instead.
> > >
> > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way,= same error message 'loader needs updating'.
> >
> > This is on the guest
> >
> > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
> > 1. Name: vtbd0p1
> > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x40= 0)
> > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f
> > type: freebsd-boot
>
> As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one= of
> the likes of:
>
> # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot*
> -r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch=C2=A0 62139 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2= 024 /boot/gptboot
> -r-xr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2024 /= boot/gptboot.efi
> -r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr=C2=A0 8 01:15:54 2024 /= boot/gptzfsboot
>
> is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only
> one of those supports zfs.
>
> Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot
> partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I<= br> > report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to
> initially investigate.
>
> Looking at:
>
> "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works o= nly with UFS
> root file systems".
>
> "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS= -based
> computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk"= .
>
> BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on= BIOS-based
> computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool".
>
> So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: > EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it
> needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context.
>
> So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in
> vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs > to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look > up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 .
>
> I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context<= br> > to be sure that the content ends up up to date:
>
> The Protective MBR variant:
> # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0
>
> The variant for without the Protective MBR:
> # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0
>
> Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAM= PLES
> section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation.
>
> > 2. Name: vtbd0p2
> > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2= 000000)
> > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > type: freebsd-swap
> > 3. Name: vtbd0p3
> > efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800= ,0xdfff000)
> > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> > type: freebsd-zfs
> > 1. Name: vtbd0
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com

FYI:
boot1.efi works with ZFS. gptboot.efi is basically the one which
stripped ZFS-related codes from boot1.efi.

And IIUC, boot1.efi shares most codes with loader.efi (except for its
own FS module wrapper as a consumer, implemented for UFS and ZFS).

It would be deleted in the future (that is your plan, Warner?),
but currently still usable.
<= br>
That's the plan. There's a number of adv= anced features it doesn't support and it doubles the effort for many th= ings..

However it insula= tes one from loader.efi changes... which some people use...

Warner=C2=A0
<= br>
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IIUC, recent installation by bsdinstall > > > creates fstab entry for it by default. > > > > void previously reported: > > > > QUOTE > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > > type: freebsd-boot > > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > > efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000= ) > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-swap > > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > > efimedia: > HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > type: freebsd-zfs > > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > END QUOTE > > > > There is no ESP present in the guest. Instead there is a > > "type: freebsd-boot" partition for which one of the likes of: > > > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboo= t > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 > /boot/gptboot.efi > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 > /boot/gptzfsboot > > > > would be in use. None of the 3 support the combination EFI and > > ZFS-for-root-file-system. The only one of those 3 supporting zfs > > is: gptzfsboot > > It is documented to only supports old style BIOS context: > > > > "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > > > gptboot and gptboot.efi only support UFS according to their man > > pages. > > > > If EFI is in use, then the ESP-ish partition is not from the guest > > context but from some place else --unless the man pages are wildly > > wrong about what is supported for the gpt*boot 's. > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > Mark Millard > > marklmi at yahoo.com > > Ah, I've overlooked that. Thanks. > So boot1.efi is not usable here just as gptboot.efi. > gptzfsboot is the only bootcode for freebsd-boot partition on GPT which > supports ZFS, and corresponding loader WAS zfsloader but IIRC ZFS > support IS now incorporated into loader[_lua|_4th]. > Yes. If you are getting the too old error, then there is a preupdate world booting a stable/13 after my change I think. Warner --=20 > Tomoaki AOKI > > --000000000000f03f2d0621935107 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 9:24=E2=80=AFPM Tomoaki AOKI <= junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp&= gt; wrote:
On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:52= :53 -0700
Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon_at_dec.sakura.ne.jp> wrote on
> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 01:54:28 UTC :
>
> > On Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:01:02 +0100
> > void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:23:02AM +0900, Tomoaki AOKI wrote= :
> > >
> > > . . .
> >
> > If not automounted, you can mount ESP manually as msdosfs there, = at
> > least for bare-metal host. IIUC, recent installation by bsdinstal= l
> > creates fstab entry for it by default.
>
> void previously reported:
>
> QUOTE
> # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)'
> 1. Name: vtbd0p1
> efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f
> type: freebsd-boot
> 2. Name: vtbd0p2
> efimedia: HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x200000= 0)
> rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> type: freebsd-swap
> 3. Name: vtbd0p3
> efimedia: HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdf= ff000)
> rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b
> type: freebsd-zfs
> 1. Name: vtbd0
> END QUOTE
>
> There is no ESP present in the guest. Instead there is a
> "type: freebsd-boot" partition for which one of the likes of= :
>
> # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot*
> -r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch=C2=A0 62139 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2= 024 /boot/gptboot
> -r-xr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr=C2=A0 7 15:55:46 2024 /= boot/gptboot.efi
> -r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr=C2=A0 8 01:15:54 2024 /= boot/gptzfsboot
>
> would be in use. None of the 3 support the combination EFI and
> ZFS-for-root-file-system. The only one of those 3 supporting zfs
> is: gptzfsboot
> It is documented to only supports old style BIOS context:
>
> "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIO= S-based
> computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool".
>
> gptboot and gptboot.efi only support UFS according to their man
> pages.
>
> If EFI is in use, then the ESP-ish partition is not from the guest
> context but from some place else --unless the man pages are wildly
> wrong about what is supported for the gpt*boot 's.
>
> =3D=3D=3D
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com

Ah, I've overlooked that. Thanks.
So boot1.efi is not usable here just as gptboot.efi.
gptzfsboot is the only bootcode for freebsd-boot partition on GPT which
supports ZFS, and corresponding loader WAS zfsloader but IIRC ZFS
support IS now incorporated into loader[_lua|_4th].
<= /div>

Yes. If you are getting = the too old error, then there is a preupdate world booting a stable/13 afte= r my change I think.

War= ner

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--000000000000f03f2d0621935107-- From nobody Sun Sep 8 13:49:02 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X1rt35X6qz5TwJD for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2024 13:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X1rt25Hcmz41nf for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (123-1-21-232.area1b.commufa.jp [123.1.21.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.17.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 488Dn2Vf010335; Sun, 8 Sep 2024 22:49:02 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1725803343; bh=16jsXaxlZf/qH8dtH3kJ2OxOBEa8HMbZ2L2rhbhw6Xc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=KiST0AwvYx78uhst6Jx1ehP9doTDVEGHkH5RkvRtSK73iXnYmXVndDUug6qUdgzy4 deyGgFTm/dYc97hwhk9qkxRaR3hFmaMa7rtvom/RiGfohd7JndZXsWUgaHxiYymiL0 2SVD1ZYlTTBNUgDamLcXccftvZwF1XP52sjNectY= Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 22:49:02 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Warner Losh Cc: Mark Millard , void , Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-Id: <20240908224902.167b59704fe0c3c21d406cb2@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3.ref@yahoo.com> <082B95C0-8D03-40E6-A5DD-EA8723FA9AF3@yahoo.com> <20240908121601.2cb0dd605bf1669028c4b4ae@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.1) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1rt25Hcmz41nf On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:31:21 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 9:16 PM Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:38:47 -0700 > > Mark Millard wrote: > > > > > void wrote on > > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:27:00 UTC : > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 08:20:07AM -0700, Mark Millard wrote: > > > > > > > > >I'm more interested in what is there than just what is not > > > > >there. May be show something analogous to: > > > > > > > > > ># gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > > > >1. Name: mmcsd1s1 > > > > > efimedia: HD(1,MBR,00000000,0x8000,0x3b68000) > > > > > rawtype: 12 > > > > > type: fat32lba > > > > >1. Name: mmcsd1 > > > > >1. Name: da0p1 > > > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,81f199f2-5eb9-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0x28,0x82000) > > > > > rawtype: c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b > > > > > label: BPIM3efi > > > > > type: efi > > > > >2. Name: da0p2 > > > > > efimedia: > > HD(2,GPT,efa6f52d-c8ca-11ec-bb1e-03fc0558c84f,0x82800,0x366000) > > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > > >3. Name: da0p3 > > > > > efimedia: > > HD(3,GPT,71abc138-db5e-11ee-bfe1-e352d1095e3c,0x6861c800,0x732800) > > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > > >4. Name: da0p4 > > > > > efimedia: > > HD(4,GPT,b568945a-5eba-11ec-b507-a0cec8d68fdc,0xa1c800,0x67c00000) > > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb6-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > > type: freebsd-ufs > > > > >1. Name: da0 > > > > > > > > > >I'll note that on various type of systems, the (effectively) > > > > >ESP need not be specifically of "type: efi", possibly some > > > > >fat variant instead also works. (Of course, EFI need not be > > > > >the only alternative for various type of contexts.) > > > > > > > > > >I'll note the /boot/efi is normally just an empty directory > > > > >that is possibly used as a mount point. > > > > > > > > > >In some (somewhat older) configurations /boot/msdos is > > > > >similarly an empty directory and possibly used as the mount > > > > >point instead. > > > > > > > > > >> After source building to latest stable in the usual way, same error > > message 'loader needs updating'. > > > > > > > > This is on the guest > > > > > > > > # gpart list | grep -E '(Name|type|efi|media)' > > > > 1. Name: vtbd0p1 > > > > efimedia: HD(1,GPT,b7731537-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x28,0x400) > > > > rawtype: 83bd6b9d-7f41-11dc-be0b-001560b84f0f > > > > type: freebsd-boot > > > > > > As I understand it, that "type: freebsd-boot" means that one of > > > the likes of: > > > > > > # ls -lodT /boot/gpt*boot* > > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 62139 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 /boot/gptboot > > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel uarch 109568 Apr 7 15:55:46 2024 > > /boot/gptboot.efi > > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel uarch 176062 Apr 8 01:15:54 2024 > > /boot/gptzfsboot > > > > > > is in use inside that freebsd-boot partition (vtbd0p1). But only > > > one of those supports zfs. > > > > > > Fair warning that I never use any of those 3 --nor freebsd-boot > > > partitions. Nor have I ever used Bhyve. Do not blindly believe what I > > > report here. But hopefully it points in a useful direction to > > > initially investigate. > > > > > > Looking at: > > > > > > "man 8 gptboot.efi" indicates that "gptboot.efi works only with UFS > > > root file systems". > > > > > > "man 8 gptboot" indicates that "gptboot is used on BIOS-based > > > computers to boot from a UFS partition on a GPT-partitioned disk". > > > > > > BUT "man 8 gptzfsboot" indicates "gptzfsboot is used on BIOS-based > > > computers to boot from a filesystem in a ZFS pool". > > > > > > So the partitioning is not set up for supporting the combination of: > > > EFI and ZFS-for-root-filesystem: if the gptzfsboot is used then it > > > needs to be old style BIOS-and-ZFS for the context. > > > > > > So my expectation here is that the gptzfsboot content in use in > > > vtbd0p1 (i.e. -i 1 vtbd0 in some commands) is out of date and needs > > > to be updated. To my knowledge, there is no simple technique to look > > > up the vintage present in -i 1 vtbd0 . > > > > > > I have no clue which of the following should be used for your context > > > to be sure that the content ends up up to date: > > > > > > The Protective MBR variant: > > > # gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > > > > > The variant for without the Protective MBR: > > > # gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 vtbd0 > > > > > > Those commands are adjusted variations of what the man page's EXAMPLES > > > section shows, but not using the 2 example's ada0 notation. > > > > > > > 2. Name: vtbd0p2 > > > > efimedia: > > HD(2,GPT,b77a2687-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x800,0x2000000) > > > > rawtype: 516e7cb5-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > type: freebsd-swap > > > > 3. Name: vtbd0p3 > > > > efimedia: > > HD(3,GPT,b7836ca4-61da-11ed-9652-00a0981073a7,0x2000800,0xdfff000) > > > > rawtype: 516e7cba-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b > > > > type: freebsd-zfs > > > > 1. Name: vtbd0 > > > > > > > > > === > > > Mark Millard > > > marklmi at yahoo.com > > > > FYI: > > boot1.efi works with ZFS. gptboot.efi is basically the one which > > stripped ZFS-related codes from boot1.efi. > > > > And IIUC, boot1.efi shares most codes with loader.efi (except for its > > own FS module wrapper as a consumer, implemented for UFS and ZFS). > > > > It would be deleted in the future (that is your plan, Warner?), > > but currently still usable. > > > > That's the plan. There's a number of advanced features it doesn't support > and it doubles the effort for many things.. > > However it insulates one from loader.efi changes... which some people use... > > Warner For example, me, with latest patch (my version) on Bug 207940 [1] applied. ;-) Once loader.efi supports this kind of boot-time partition/pool selection, I would be pleased to switch to default loader.efi. 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If you are getting the too old error, then there is a preupdate wor= ld > >booting a stable/13 after my change I think. > > > >Warner > > So, on the server (15.0-CURRENT #0 n270917-5dbf886104b4: Thu Jul 4 ) > > ls -lah /boot/gptzfsboot > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 172K Jul 4 17:26 /boot/gptzfsboot > Gptzfsboot is not relevant. Userboot.ko would be since that's what provides the loader interfaces for bhyve. In the VM (13.4-STABLE stable/13-n258323-e7b4f6e0c064 Sep 6) > > ls -lah /boot/gptzfsboot > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 151K Sep 6 23:57 /boot/gptzfsboot > > to reiterate:- both these systems are root-on-zfs > > Do you think a source upgrade on the server would fix the issue? > Yes. But the warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is telling you of problems in the future. related: do you think i'd have avoided the issue if the guest was ufs only? > No. This is a host vs guest crossthreading that's unavoidable. 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On Sun, Sep 8, 2024, 7:50=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 07, 2024 at 09:34:27PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote= :
>
>Yes. If you are getting the too old error, then there is a preupdate wo= rld
>booting a stable/13 after my change I think.
>
>Warner

So, on the server (15.0-CURRENT #0 n270917-5dbf886104b4: Thu Jul=C2=A0 4 )<= br>
ls -lah /boot/gptzfsboot
-r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root wheel=C2=A0 172K Jul=C2=A0 4 17:26 /boot/gptzfsboot=

= Gptzfsboot is not relevant. Userboot.ko would be since that's what prov= ides the loader interfaces for bhyve.

In the VM (13.4-STABLE stable/13-n258323-e7b4f6e0c064 Sep 6)

ls -lah /boot/gptzfsboot
-r--r--r--=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 =C2=A0151K Sep=C2=A0 6 23:57 /boo= t/gptzfsboot

to reiterate:- both these systems are root-on-zfs

Do you think a source upgrade on the server would fix the issue?

Yes. But th= e warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is telling you of= problems in the future.=C2=A0

related: do you think i'd have avoided the issue if the guest was ufs o= nly?

No. This is a host vs guest crossthreading that's unavoidable.=C2= =A0

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Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:24:57 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20240908122425.720c256cbe4a0c6ae77ded0d@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.79 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[103.168.172.144:from]; 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But the warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is telling >you of problems in the future. > >related: do you think i'd have avoided the issue if the guest was ufs only? >> > >No. This is a host vs guest crossthreading that's unavoidable. OK thanks for that. I'll try upgrading the server to August stablisation week 04262ed78d23 I look after another vm on Azure. It's at 13.2-p11 right now i'd like to update it to 13.3 It's not zfs-on-root but it does have a zfs disk for data. Do you think this type of issue might be present? my fear is an unbootable system or not being able to access the zfs part. 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Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:51:26 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loader needs to be updated message Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20240908122425.720c256cbe4a0c6ae77ded0d@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[103.168.172.157:from]; 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But the warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is telling >you of problems in the future. Can confirm - the error message is no longer present on the guest after source upgrade on the host. 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But the warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is > telling > >you of problems in the future. > > Can confirm - the error message is no longer present on the guest > after source upgrade on the host. > Great. This warning is new so people keep things uptodate. There has been minor breakage due to really old loader.efi not updating, but i backed that silent (mostly) breakage and added the loud version thing you see now. It shouldn't be that regular an occurrence... i wanted some warning to het people to do something. Warner > TYVM :D > -- > > --000000000000d6971506219ee7cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 8, 2024, 10:51=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 09:14:50AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote= :
>On Sun, Sep 8, 2024, 7:50=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think a source upgrade on the server would fix the issue? >>
>Yes. But the warning at this time isn't super urgent for you. It is= telling
>you of problems in the future.

Can confirm - the error message is no longer present on the guest
after source upgrade on the host.

Great. This warning is new so people keep = things uptodate. There has been minor breakage due to really old loader.efi= not updating, but i backed that silent (mostly) breakage and added the lou= d version thing you see now. It shouldn't be that regular an occurrence= ... i wanted some warning to het people to do something.=C2=A0

Warner


TYVM :D
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FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209242, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X1zR421B5z4vfL On Sun, Sep 08, 2024 at 11:23:46AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >Great. This warning is new so people keep things uptodate. There has been >minor breakage due to really old loader.efi not updating, but i backed that >silent (mostly) breakage and added the loud version thing you see now. It >shouldn't be that regular an occurrence... i wanted some warning to het >people to do something. Can I suggest it might be worthwhile mentioning in src/UPDATING ? I don't think these fixes are covered there. It was counterintuative to me at the start as this was a 13-stable guest showing the error, it being hosted on a 15-current bhyve, in that what was required was for the -current system to be upgraded. Maybe also for the other fix, in the different (arm64) context on baremetal, which was to copy /boot/loader.efi to /boot/efi/efi/BOOT/bootaa64.efi (I know of no way to determine whether or not the rpi4b comes under "deficient systems that don't honor efibootmgr(8) protocols" (as per /usr/src/UPDATING)) --