From nobody Wed Jul 3 08:02:47 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WDXML0QgTz5MpPq for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sylvain.saboua@free.fr) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WDXMK0x65z4Gdh for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sylvain.saboua@free.fr) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=free.fr header.s=smtp-20201208 header.b=FgJAWTm5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=free.fr; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sylvain.saboua@free.fr designates 2a01:e0c:1:1599::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sylvain.saboua@free.fr Received: from webmail.free.fr (unknown [172.20.246.3]) (Authenticated sender: sylvain.saboua@free.fr) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C737913F8AD; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 10:02:47 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1719993768; bh=t5rpRjJk0Ao6/FCR4RTFBauSHp98w/p4/8mbVepQxX8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FgJAWTm5inWdE7Rm/HN0Im97kz5cUW2Brbux8Sr5gb086Ond+RWzuA0xyfgcxM/RJ 9E8R4bT2QdvXE5softPT6aeTTzaLuGbkdVKuvCs6Kd2a6TRNrX34OkSaRemQ3AehiC eaiwlQABAQ5QvYCiRDVno8/z30OWqbewbdOniLi2+3faXl/DLd6BMzfqG69xPILarn dms8D/uRH+UqY6Z5oZo93vyRnX6+rxr7hREdssWgVRq9sYdwy4gNONRc42kUcPt1e8 /8HczrCbvGtL09WFo265iII+NpVdwC5dzRvxxp1rU3kLcqpwPON1bnkNz9F2WKfGpi HNwF/s2vDJi1A== Received: from gob75-h06-176-129-104-68.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr ([176.129.104.68:43642]) via gob75-h06-176-129-104-68.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr ([176.129.104.68]) by webmail.free.fr with HTTP (HTTP/1.0 POST); Wed, 03 Jul 2024 10:02:47 +0200 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 10:02:47 +0200 From: Sylvain Saboua To: Chris Moerz Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with so many emails In-Reply-To: References: <278b12989ad80d7046007dbcd4613d6a@free.fr> User-Agent: Webmail Free/1.6.7 Message-ID: X-Sender: sylvain.saboua@free.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.950]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[free.fr,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[free.fr:s=smtp-20201208]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12322, ipnet:2a01:e00::/26, country:FR]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[free.fr]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[free.fr]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a01:e0c:1:1599::12:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[free.fr:dkim]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[free.fr:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WDXMK0x65z4Gdh Hi Chris, I of course have, but in my haste back one year ago I didn't write down which lists I was subscribing to. The only thing I really don't understand is WHY this has to be such a painstaking process, which requires to find the list, type one's email to unsubscribe, receive an email asking for a response, sending the reply, and last but not least being delivered a confirmation email ... Could not the process of (un)subscribing be much simpler ? Or has most of the communication already moved to other means ? I wonder Cheers Le 2024-06-25 05:52, Chris Moerz a écrit : > Hi Sylvain, > > Have you looked at > > There you have all the lists and also the addresses for unsubscribing > for each of them. > > Chris > > On June 24, 2024 7:59:53 PM GMT+02:00, Anon Loli > wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:29:34AM +0000, Sylvain Saboua wrote: >>> I subscribed early summer for various haxker projects... 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List-Unsubscribe https://help.mail-list.com/m/59124/l/558463-rfc-2369-list-unsubscribe-headers Thanks, Will On 3 Jul 2024, at 11:02, Sylvain Saboua wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I of course have, but in my haste back one year ago > I didn't write down which lists I was subscribing to. > > The only thing I really don't understand is WHY this > has to be such a painstaking process, which requires > to find the list, type one's email to unsubscribe, > receive an email asking for a response, sending the > reply, and last but not least being delivered a > confirmation email ... > > Could not the process of (un)subscribing be much simpler ? > Or has most of the communication already moved to other means ? > > I wonder > > Cheers > > Le 2024-06-25 05:52, Chris Moerz a écrit : >> Hi Sylvain, >> >> Have you looked at >> >> There you have all the lists and also the addresses for unsubscribing for each of them. >> >> Chris >> >> On June 24, 2024 7:59:53 PM GMT+02:00, Anon Loli wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:29:34AM +0000, Sylvain Saboua wrote: >>>> I subscribed early summer for various haxker projects... I am disappointed >>>> that FreeBSD has relayed such copious information amounts that my mailbox is >>>> now full ; why so many lists, and why is it so tedious to find the ones I am >>>> still subscribed in? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> -- >>>> Sylvain Saboua >>>> www.saboua.xyz >>>> >>> >>> And how do I unsubscribe from worsethanopenbsdOS mailing list? >>> > > -- > Sylvain Saboua > www.saboua.xyz From nobody Wed Jul 3 23:09:43 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WDwTr0T0Jz5QWYX for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2024 23:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WDwTq6lmDz52Cc; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1720048191; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=VTkoqbgTPSC/ZWJgsEfygnAoTW0MQTCJOaxEP/D9HFU=; b=VLhkcWqZ6G9XEL4//PTD621cLnsZMScPDpN3PcX3LPrZo72a2EDTeySshTR7LEZv/qi5mW g62vnME1IuTf1FRqHERwTA02GQdh2S1B/1iHbe2TAOBREaM8O8bqadZI9gJir3Ebx1+xoI lY85xKMq2dGIAmZ6u0xLgQ3iKXJN1yBu5qo8Dy2NVJqwFqc0TBAYxCBJ7anxOBTsm8I4e5 3kAT5LFoPdl3SSC2bFk64I3vZfdB0PxQlOa+RaMP2mDu4jUlvF9hIXmq/gaF6On/1RmNyq bYWdrS1MlvdBdnJzVIo2KEIx3I5RP4eP+kykkIsrpA/qSKfJcPJKxiPc6UAIpQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1720048191; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=miVYV+xhrdG31+leSpHJojuCMTCtP2CZkEB6Tsn7nyoHWQO1OR0YmC9cWkjybT4DO2/X3O tohvK5sQrE1AmrslwlHtd7/iXiAiNl+1E0N4Gm5s2aIQID6IXxsD+Wxlac9leTIiEHzRT4 UkhBkY/TCuciofnukP2zY8AisvzENAXtTMTrcwrmuf7dqD84PpRCEBrE7a99YsXXcGgVOL DiMCEmM/xz3WrqgLejuHR1WPafKYb+vkZYSkyJjxHSCdM99zCADsw8Z4PNAXH/vJtGYl8Y t61SM5pQ84cnoeP3FAmv2R2+++dN6ftJBK5zKt37Z9+3GvFhr6UzU8D/fB/ySQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1720048191; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=VTkoqbgTPSC/ZWJgsEfygnAoTW0MQTCJOaxEP/D9HFU=; b=eCFRxwCE7KTRAh5KP9QfBovgm74QqPgmtNQHPLio9kEy1VHvSjlrxT0tpSmaigtvUYWqn8 RHgwoHwbfybr4os+boRfljyika1Sn8/VM+w1d9JWYP5utTMsw38/v/JV1tTzDbUhXpKOnn 8mCc5J+aPIZn2bjyTkMAXdtg+JDJ9Cu7Td1ZFvpsui+CiKVal0JABy0LMJp2LL7/TAk8hB AHGskT3I/BvQ5DoQV072l8RfhvHnhdD/T3qNlME0A5ibtzsWU90buYFuT7kToQK3Woyhm9 344UYaz+NJF2tv70iOZwIDKlcQRWEuPe4PO+y0X+E+fmJpKSJzdU6AtKMEbnDA== Received: from hydra.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grog/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4WDwTp1jBQzJYY; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 09:09:43 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Sylvain Saboua , Will Froning Cc: Chris Moerz , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with so many emails Message-ID: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5EBC318A-0E9D-4E45-B79D-0CCFCA103ED4@gmail.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 --TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Sequence recovered. See https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-ques= tions/] [Copying -hackers in case other people also have this problem] On Wednesday, 3 July 2024 at 10:02:47 +0200, Sylvain Saboua wrote: >> Le 2024-06-25 05:52, Chris Moerz a =E9crit=A0: >>> >>> Have you looked at >>> >>> There you have all the lists and also the addresses for unsubscribing f= or each of them. > > I of course have, but in my haste back one year ago > I didn't write down which lists I was subscribing to. Once a month you should get an email with a list of the mailing lists to which you're subscribed. > The only thing I really don't understand is WHY this > has to be such a painstaking process, which requires > to find the list,.. The pain seems to be at your end. From the headers: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: More to the point, though: User-Agent: Webmail Free/1.6.7 Is that the culprit maybe? Even then, though, the name of the mailing list should be clear. After all, you sent your message to it: Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Does your MUA not display that? > type one's email to unsubscribe, receive an email asking for a > response, sending the reply, and last but not least being delivered > a confirmation email ... Most of this is common courtesy. Is it so difficult to use your webmail MUA? Maybe you should consider changing. > Could not the process of (un)subscribing be much simpler ? > Or has most of the communication already moved to other means ? Once it was simple. The advent of webmail seems to be the problem. I suppose we could consider adding information in the .sig, but so far there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for it. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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I am disappointed > that FreeBSD has relayed such copious information amounts that my mailbox is > now full ; why so many lists, and why is it so tedious to find the ones I am > still subscribed in? > Send an email to subscriptions@FreeBSD.org you will receive a mail telling you what your email is subscribed (this is experimental for now). 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See https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-questions/] > [Copying -hackers in case other people also have this problem] > > On Wednesday, 3 July 2024 at 10:02:47 +0200, Sylvain Saboua wrote: > >> Le 2024-06-25 05:52, Chris Moerz a écrit : > >>> > >>> Have you looked at > >>> > >>> There you have all the lists and also the addresses for unsubscribing for each of them. > > > > I of course have, but in my haste back one year ago > > I didn't write down which lists I was subscribing to. > > Once a month you should get an email with a list of the mailing lists > to which you're subscribed. You should have notice you haven't received this email for years :D, actually since we have stopped using mailman. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sanren.ac.za]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sanren-ac-za.20230601.gappssmtp.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WGfGy4CYLz3xpq --000000000000eb39e8061c987479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I have 3 machines running FreeBSD 14.0. (I have upgraded one to 14.1 recently). All 3 have a uart with a GPS behind it, but no program reading from the uart. I see the "ns8250: UART FCR is broken" on all of them on average a little less than one per day. For example, the one machine has an uptime of 48 days. In that time the message was printed 44 times, but there was 12846 overruns according to the below sysctl: dev.uart.2.rx_overruns: 12846 If the FCR was really broken, I would have expected the message to be printed for every overrun. The 16550d documentation that I could find on the internet has this about Bit 1 of the Fifo Control Register (FCR): Bit 1 Writing a 1 to FCR1 clears all bytes in the RCVR FIFO and resets its counter logic to 0 The shift register is not cleared The 1 that is written to this bit position is self-clear-ing So what I think is happening is that occasionally when the RCVR FIFO is cleared, a character is almost received and between the RCVR is cleared and LSR bit LSR_RXRDY is checked, the new character is there. The piece of code in ns8250_flush() looks like this: uart_setreg(bas, REG_FCR, fcr); uart_barrier(bas); /* * Detect and work around emulated UARTs which don't implement the * FCR register; on these systems we need to drain the FIFO since * the flush we request doesn't happen. One such system is the * Firecracker VMM, aka. the rust-vmm/vm-superio emulation code: * https://github.com/rust-vmm/vm-superio/issues/83 */ lsr = uart_getreg(bas, REG_LSR); if (((lsr & LSR_TEMT) == 0) && (what & UART_FLUSH_TRANSMITTER)) drain |= UART_DRAIN_TRANSMITTER; if ((lsr & LSR_RXRDY) && (what & UART_FLUSH_RECEIVER)) drain |= UART_DRAIN_RECEIVER; if (drain != 0) { printf("ns8250: UART FCR is broken\n"); ns8250_drain(bas, drain); } So how to distinguish between a real FCR error and this case? Maybe if ns8250_drain() returned the number of bytes it drained instead and it returned one, then it isn't an FCR error. Currently ns8250_drain() returns 0 on no error or EIO if there is a hardware problem. Maybe that can be changed to return -EIO and handled properly where its return value is used? Note that these uarts are implemented on Xilinx/AMD FPGAs using the v2.0 IP in this link, but I do think it can probably happen on other 16x50 uarts too. https://docs.amd.com/v/u/en-US/pg143-axi-uart16550 Regards John --000000000000eb39e8061c987479 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I have 3 machines runnin= g FreeBSD 14.0. (I have upgraded one to 14.1 recently). All 3 have a uart w= ith a GPS behind it, but no program reading from the uart. I see the "= ns8250: UART FCR is broken" on all of them on average a little less th= an one per day.

For example, the one machine has a= n uptime of 48 days. In that time the message was printed 44 times, but the= re was 12846 overruns according to the below sysctl:

dev.uart.2.rx_overruns: 12846

If the FCR was re= ally broken, I would have expected the message to be printed for every over= run.

The 16550d documentation that I could find on= the internet has this about Bit 1 of the Fifo Control Register (FCR):

Bit 1 Writing a 1 to FCR1 clears all bytes in the RCVR= FIFO
and resets its counter logic to 0 The shift register is not
cle= ared The 1 that is written to this bit position is self-clear-ing

So what I think is happening is that occasionally when the = RCVR FIFO is cleared, a character is almost received and between the RCVR i= s cleared and LSR bit LSR_RXRDY is checked, the new character is there.

The piece of code in ns8250_flush() looks like this:<= /div>
<snip>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uart_setre= g(bas, REG_FCR, fcr);
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uart_barrier(bas);
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 /*
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* D= etect and work around emulated UARTs which don't implement the
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* FCR register; on these systems we need to = drain the FIFO since
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* the flush we re= quest doesn't happen.=C2=A0 One such system is the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Firecracker VMM, aka. the rust-vmm/vm-superio emulation = code:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* https://github.com/rust-vmm/vm-superio/issue= s/83
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 lsr =3D uart_getreg(bas, REG_LSR);
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if= (((lsr & LSR_TEMT) =3D=3D 0) && (what & UART_FLUSH_TRANSMI= TTER))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 drain |= =3D UART_DRAIN_TRANSMITTER;
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if ((lsr & L= SR_RXRDY) && (what & UART_FLUSH_RECEIVER))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 drain |=3D UART_DRAIN_RECEIVER;
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if (drain !=3D 0) {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 printf("ns8250: UART FCR is broken\n&q= uot;);
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ns8250_dr= ain(bas, drain);
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
</snip>

So how to distinguish between a real FCR error and = this case? Maybe if ns8250_drain() returned the number of bytes it drained = instead and it returned one, then it isn't an FCR error. Currently ns82= 50_drain() returns 0 on no error or EIO if there is a hardware problem. May= be that can be changed to return -EIO and handled properly where its return= value is used?

Note that these uarts are implemen= ted on Xilinx/AMD FPGAs using the v2.0 IP in this link, but I do think it c= an probably happen on other 16x50 uarts too. https://docs.amd.com/v/u/en-US/pg143-axi-u= art16550

Regards

John=



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