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Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.59 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:103.168.172.128/27]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[patmaddox.com:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[103.168.172.153:from]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:AU]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[pat]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[patmaddox.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[patmaddox.com:+,messagingengine.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y6JyF341wz4qqj X-Spamd-Bar: -- I am trying to reproduce https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/14.2-RELEASE/MANIFEST from source. Is that possible? As part of this effort, I am having trouble reproducing base.txz across any two builds at all - much less the published one. What I'm seeing is that two successive invocations of `make -s -j20 -DWITH_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD TZ=UTC PKG_TIMESTAMP=1733729386 packagesystem` will produce tarballs with different checksums, even though when extracted will match mtree cksum. `tar -tf` shows the file list as being in a different order, which I suspect is the reason why. They also have different timestamps. I would like to be able to clone the repo at REVISION, run make, and produce a matching MANIFEST. Before I do that, I would like to do two consecutive runs on my local tree and get the same result. Assuming it's possible, what's the command? 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To: Pat Maddox Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y6SC54Qsyz4Xjl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 at 06:08, Pat Maddox wrote: > > I am trying to reproduce https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/14.2-RELEASE/MANIFEST from source. Is that possible? > > As part of this effort, I am having trouble reproducing base.txz across any two builds at all - much less the published one. Thanks for submitting PR283214. It looks like this indeed is due to directory contents being returned in an arbitrary order, and bsdtar's lack of an option to sort them. GNU sort supports --sort=name to address this issue. There's a prototype patch from 2015 to sort directory contents (without an option): https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/issues/602 As Colin pointed out in PR283214 we can (and should) address this in the short term by using find and sort, but I still would like to see this supported directly in bsdtar. 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To: paige@paige.bio Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005761bb0628f6b378" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y7MST5tq6z4Hp0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --0000000000005761bb0628f6b378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > Hi, > I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice f= or raspi > at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf > FAT should be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. ExFAT has no support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, maybe, if we omit FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at the moment) Warner Sent from my iPhone > --0000000000005761bb0628f6b378 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49=E2=80=AFPM <paige@paige= .bio> wrote:
Hi,
I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice for= raspi at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf

FAT= should be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. ExFAT = has no support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, maybe, if w= e omit FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at the mome= nt)=C2=A0

Warner=C2=A0

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--0000000000005761bb0628f6b378-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 04:57:13 2024 X-Original-To: hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Y7NdW3MFsz5gP18 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:57:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paige@paige.bio) Received: from pv50p00im-ztdg10021201.me.com (pv50p00im-ztdg10021201.me.com [17.58.6.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y7NdV6zC5z4MKR for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paige@paige.bio) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=paige.bio; s=sig1; t=1733893069; bh=Ijl16cTZ0rTsI7a3MchY1PIHTmlGCurviILA45lyLuA=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To: x-icloud-hme; b=TwYhYLWZALju+GGE0tjlBBNlrjKHgEO4cVuTtXObZ61uh8ooS5uR40IIPwO9lw/D/ W4Q114bwKv8SAwtqL0lOk4Yz2qU6FO9gs97Nd7mFOeAcBRY3jSfUBOSrk02Nj2A2IZ aaKbeUxnXrpm3YbnkibLBRnkADkePEFCUdnkfhlElCW1qDiKyVw5Vdv0qE+JLocoOp H1PRC1yvKMvOXTrhpwAiITLxR4ivUFeN1bVpsp8rfq8tW4uf3W5QPWFHyZagcLuNXB mSPIG9K0RrppFFXxXwZ3VyMXWkEmGpsUgaXt1KZvfc0Nq4RxbbH6/v+Fr2COf7nse4 eGZK6kIVrCrSA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (pv50p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.56.9.10]) by pv50p00im-ztdg10021201.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86F8F3118E02; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1882D54B-EE77-48CE-BEF8-3E8EFFC4DA25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: paige@paige.bio List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: FAT or ExFAT possible for /boot? Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:57:13 -0800 Message-Id: <8F3326B5-BFD7-460B-8F68-97E5D1A08B60@paige.bio> References: Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (22B91) X-Proofpoint-GUID: 3a9KVB-nSl40FhLFQM7YB0eUfTK9SoQx X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 3a9KVB-nSl40FhLFQM7YB0eUfTK9SoQx X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1057,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.68.34 definitions=2024-12-11_03,2024-12-10_01,2024-11-22_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1030 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2412110036 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.58.0.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y7NdV6zC5z4MKR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --Apple-Mail-1882D54B-EE77-48CE-BEF8-3E8EFFC4DA25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Just wanted to add FAT should be fine. The only advantage that comes to mind= with ExFAT would be a larger file system however /boot is typically small e= nough. I need to track down the process for building the raspi image and I=E2= =80=99ll give it a shot. -Paige Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49=E2=80=AFPM wrote: >> Hi, >> I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice f= or raspi at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf >=20 >=20 > FAT should be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. Ex= FAT has no support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, maybe, i= f we omit FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at the moment= )=20 >=20 > Warner=20 >=20 >> Sent from my iPhone --Apple-Mail-1882D54B-EE77-48CE-BEF8-3E8EFFC4DA25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks,

Just wanted to a= dd FAT should be fine. The only advantage that comes to mind with ExFAT woul= d be a larger file system however /boot is typically small enough. I need to= track down the process for building the raspi image and I=E2=80=99ll give i= t a shot.

-Paige

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wr= ote:

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On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49=E2=80=AFPM <paige@p= aige.bio> wrote:
Hi,
I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice for r= aspi at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf

FAT sho= uld be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. ExFAT has n= o support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, maybe, if we omit= FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at the moment) 

Warner 

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To: paige@paige.bio Cc: Warner Losh , hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004bd4c00628f785a8" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Y7NmD1RDSz4NdR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --0000000000004bd4c00628f785a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have had systems booting this way. I had a laptop for which the boot.efi didn't work (at the time) and I wanted loader.efi. But loader.efi wants the loader.conf (and other files) in /boot. So I put /boot into the EFI partition and loaded loader.efi. That all worked. ... now the driving issue for me (boot.efi not working) solved itself... so I no longer do this, but it did work circa 10.x and 11.x. On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 11:58=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > Thanks, > > Just wanted to add FAT should be fine. The only advantage that comes to > mind with ExFAT would be a larger file system however /boot is typically > small enough. I need to track down the process for building the raspi ima= ge > and I=E2=80=99ll give it a shot. > > -Paige > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, Warner Losh wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > >> Hi, >> I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice = for raspi >> at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf >> > > FAT should be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. > ExFAT has no support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, > maybe, if we omit FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at > the moment) > > Warner > > Sent from my iPhone >> > --0000000000004bd4c00628f785a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have had systems booting this way.=C2=A0 I had a la= ptop for which the boot.efi didn't work (at the time) and I wanted load= er.efi.=C2=A0 But loader.efi wants the loader.conf (and other files) in /bo= ot.=C2=A0 So I put /boot into the EFI partition and loaded loader.efi.=C2= =A0 That all worked.

... now the driving issue for= me (boot.efi not working) solved itself... so I no longer do this, but it = did work circa 10.x and 11.x.

On Tue, Dec 10= , 2024 at 11:58=E2=80=AFPM <paige@paige.bio> wrote:
Thanks,
Just wanted to add FAT should be fine. The only advantage that = comes to mind with ExFAT would be a larger file system however /boot is typ= ically small enough. I need to track down the process for building the rasp= i image and I=E2=80=99ll give it a shot.

-Paige

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 10, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM,= Warner Losh <imp@bs= dimp.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF


On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 8:49= =E2=80=AFPM <paige@paige.bio> wrote:
Hi,
I was just wondering I could do this with FreeBSD. It=E2=80=99d be nice for= raspi at least because it would give me an easy way to edit loader.conf

FAT= should be possible to be /boot. We support reading FAT filesystems. ExFAT = has no support though. You may need to compile a custom loader, maybe, if w= e omit FAT support (which I think is there, but can't check at the mome= nt)=C2=A0

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--0000000000004bd4c00628f785a8-- From nobody Sun Dec 15 00:00:37 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Y9jrj5MPJz5gxRn; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 00:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y9jrj4bJxz4YhH; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 00:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salvadore@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1734220837; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc; bh=fX7O2+XsLTbdxTTjqISDnAmRPcm8ltigtm5MwSRW3KE=; b=cEKtI1yTO3N/io5SHXLFg0aoyg6pE8POhW9+SNuQcPUODLMUBmb6rOT/IdNwuphH74OVvE DaMN+C3JgS69R8bZfMXQ94TimssUHjwRyMsAaIC0AyPR7jUSVNA4uc8vcO6AB4qoH1R6xW SMFSxC71yQBrW3sOkGOwO/KWZWlb/INUibsF7wi0RzqEwANhsHmqL5/b5AvQc4GoHCPdxb r+ayVJTUn2ZgRF9cXskbTSupr1Er53j438sAO15YbrpfsP3SYorelVLc+hN/c8VS3hUnZl b2S7Tu3uPRq3OJfONwYz1QKuKoD9dODE4ZnAedJKmdNbLKLbfX98iyKpDeYUFA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1734220837; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc; bh=fX7O2+XsLTbdxTTjqISDnAmRPcm8ltigtm5MwSRW3KE=; b=fDMx6laXlQZrsM2P+3nUqMiI5C6Znn3HmmiTmSa57t6V7F27D945DmGxxwWOcqWFr28mR7 kXN80Yuxim/tkKmyqT4P+owl8LbbhPQiv3O5cJW1ywCkSmgI4EPIEKCkf9PkIuJLVT2uCG 8knC5wlAsAXh8tlxmh37veWWZEo4Bkz5+IRwh2LI30A84hP7S29dvzp+EV80iXPysInRfY C7Y7TIdREE701q/RQW0xlVVWPK5TXZhJnMS30gw7LAhh2yFxLD6+Zs2g7k5J/qY60VQeaa codhTn1GT97+0I7MINRM+n3g9ej4YcKMM1fhdqZazpDRekVDVCI55QQfqAZrug== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1734220837; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=llt2ujVEMipLkdTP40W5uFahiQCyDFXP3mCE/NrkRNuA3KME7/N0ckBMH2eSPvpvjJ3hKo bxG+drOvBsvldn9YhJRdr55rNZBEsvbIWcV7neMogPp67alN3IiNjrz69xfR9YVBHhBCyW zWJ8hP6jN5QL3/8LQ8O/RD0zYr4dXBytjGE2aQQUNe1nG2IkAqsuz2FI6GdtPaHn1w2+gU cnPU+96wmr3mCqHUme6ugbNt+jOYbON3g4KyarfUDtYDV60+TY3WYSsUm0lq97Pmr73etU 9zJwWKpNI5By/AcKlxAH+cRFN6phhWVg850Iku+pJxoZWKZgsPv+nWfgi8aRZg== Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1472) id 74B1B17F7E; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 00:00:37 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-status-calls@FreeBSD.org Subject: [2 WEEKS LEFT REMINDER] Call for 2024Q4 status reports Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org,freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org,devsummit@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20241215000037.74B1B17F7E@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 00:00:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Lorenzo Salvadore List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD Community, The deadline for the next FreeBSD Status Report update is December, 31st 2024 for work done since the last round of quarterly reports: October 2024 - December 2024. I would like to remind you that reports are published on a quarterly basis and are usually collected during the last month of each quarter, You are also welcome to submit them even earlier if you want, and the earlier you submit them, the more time we have for reviewing. Status report submissions do not need to be very long. They may be about anything happening in the FreeBSD project and community, and they provide a great way to inform FreeBSD users and developers about work that is underway or has been completed. Report submissions are not limited to committers; anyone doing anything interesting and FreeBSD related can -- and should -- write one! The following methods are available to submit your reports: * submit a review on Phabricator and add the group "status" to the reviewers list. You should put your reports in the directory doc/website/content/en/status/report-2024-10-2024-12/ (create it if it is missing); * submit a pull request at . You should put your reports in the directory doc/website/content/en/status/report-2024-10-2024-12/ (create it if it is missing); * send an email to status-submissions@FreeBSD.org including your report. An AsciiDoc template is available at . We look forward to seeing your 2024Q4 reports! Thanks, Lorenzo Salvadore (on behalf of status@)