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Hey there all,
I=E2=80=99m debugging an issue with FreeIPMI that you can go read about =
on the freeipmi-users mailing list if you care, but as part of that, the =
developer has asked me to git checkout the =E2=80=9Cmaster=E2=80=9D =
branch from their github mirror and build against it, including running =
autogen to create a new =E2=80=9Cconfigure=E2=80=9D script.
When I do that, ./configure cannot find libraries like gcrypt.h that are =
in /usr/local/include
The maintainer tells me that I can set things like CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to =
fix this, but it feels like I should not have to do that for what I =
consider fairly standard library paths that shouldn=E2=80=99t need to be =
overridden.
The ports tree version of freeipmi builds okay, but it=E2=80=99s =
checking out a =E2=80=9Crelease=E2=80=9D version that already has a =
configure script.
So my questions:
1) Does the ports tree magically tweak CFLAGS or whatever when you build =
a port, to include things like /usr/local/include and /usr/local/lib? I =
don=E2=80=99t see anything that would do this in /usr/ports/Mk
2) Is there a standard method for ports that need to run autogen?
3) Is there some documentation somewhere on how to make a port (for =
testing purposes) that effectively just checks out a git hash (either =
via the git protocol directly, or via the github master tree), that one =
can use for testing so you can compare apples to apples, see if patches =
are still necessary, etc? Porter=E2=80=99s handbook shows how to check =
out a *tag*, but not a commit hash. Obviously, there=E2=80=99s no =
guarantee that the master.zip will always have the right size and =
checksum, but there are overrides for that.
-Dan=
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Subject: Re: Please shed some wisdom on how autogen/autoconf works? Also,
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Hi!
> 1) Does the ports tree magically tweak CFLAGS or whatever when you build a port, to include things like /usr/local/include and /usr/local/lib?
Yes.
If you run a port-build and log the build, you'll see many calls like this:
libtool: compile: cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../config -D_REENTRANT -DUSE_IOPERM -DIPV6 -isystem /usr/local/include -O2 -pipe -D_WANT_SEMUN -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -MT libmiscutil_la-fd.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libmiscutil_la-fd.Tpo -c fd.c -o libmiscutil_la-fd.o >/dev/null 2>&1
and here you see the -isystem /usr/local/include...
> I don’t see anything that would do this in /usr/ports/Mk
USES= localbase
triggers those. See Mk/Uses/localbase.mk
> 2) Is there a standard method for ports that need to run autogen?
Somewhat for GNU autoconf: see Mk/Uses/autoreconf.mk
--
pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 Now what ?
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:53:57 +0700
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Subject: Re: dns/godns: Go modules mismatch and build failure
To: Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net>
Cc: ports@freebsd.org
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Hi,
This serious. Why all these qustions are using programming approach even
programming language. Why not use more descriptive lamguade and approach.
For your information, I am a generalist gentement, not technical
workforce. And have I said before, use Bahasa Indonesia.
Thank you.
Pada Min, 1 Des 2024 18.36, Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net>
menulis:
> Hi,
>
> Even since release 3.1.9 our framework / Go fails to build and would
> appreciate some guidance as it seems to be no documentation on how to "fix"
> this issue.
>
> Updating the Makefile "as usual" (as per Porters Handbook instructs)
> you'll get this error:
>
>
> https://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/2024-12-01_05h30m07s/logs/errors/godns-3.2.0.log
>
>
> Adding
>
> pre-build:
> (cd ${GO_WRKSRC}; ${SETENVI} ${MAKE_ENV} ${GO_ENV} ${GO_CMD} mod
> vendor)
>
> Results in this as Poudriere rewrites variables as far as I can tell:
>
> https://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/2024-12-01_05h05m41s/logs/errors/godns-3.2.0.log
>
> That being said, I don't see any obvious commits in upstream repo that
> would be causing this behaviour but it might be something go-related in the
> background that I'm not aware of.
>
> Patch is available here:
> https://projects.pyret.net/files/freebsd-patches/godns-320.patch
>
> Any pointers would be appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">This serious.=C2=A0 Why all th=
ese qustions are using programming approach even programming language.=C2=
=A0 Why not use more descriptive lamguade and approach.=C2=A0 For your info=
rmation, I am a generalist gentement, not technical workforce.=C2=A0 And ha=
ve I said before, use Bahasa Indonesia.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Thank you.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Pada Min, 1 Des 2024 18.36, Daniel Engberg =
<<a href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net">daniel.engberg.lists@=
pyret.net</a>> menulis:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:14px">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue&=
#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px=
">Even since release=C2=A03.1.9 our framework / Go fails to build and would=
appreciate some guidance as it seems to be no documentation on how to &quo=
t;fix" this issue.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica N=
eue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:=
14px">Updating the Makefile "as usual" (as per Porters Handbook i=
nstructs) you'll get this error:<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
9;Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:14px"><a href=3D"https://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/202=
4-12-01_05h30m07s/logs/errors/godns-3.2.0.log" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/2024=
-12-01_05h30m07s/logs/errors/godns-3.2.0.log</a><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px=
"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Hel=
vetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Adding<br></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue=
',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">pre-build:<br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:14px">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (cd ${GO_WRKSRC}; $=
{SETENVI} ${MAKE_ENV} ${GO_ENV} ${GO_CMD} mod vendor)<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Results in this as Poudriere rewrites=
variables as far as I can tell:<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'He=
lvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/2024-12-01_05h05m41s/logs/errors/god=
ns-3.2.0.log" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://pdr2.bofh.network/data/141-diizzy/2024-12-01_05h05m41s/logs/errors/godn=
s-3.2.0.log</a><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue'=
,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Th=
at being said, I don't see any obvious commits in upstream repo that wo=
uld be causing this behaviour but it might be something go-related in the b=
ackground that I'm not aware of.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
9;Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:14px">Patch is available here:<br></div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><a =
href=3D"https://projects.pyret.net/files/freebsd-patches/godns-320.patch" r=
el=3D"noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://projects.py=
ret.net/files/freebsd-patches/godns-320.patch</a><br></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14p=
x"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Any pointers would be appreciated.<br></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue=
',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Best regards,<br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:14px">Daniel<br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px=
"><br></div></div>
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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=279849
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I'm looking for someone to commit 283379. I'm the maintainer (jhay@), but
am not a committer anymore.
The build of this port has been failing lately because Google Earth guys
did a new build and they just updated the distfile.
My patch changed the distinfo file and also added the build number to
PORTVERSION in the Makefile.
BTW How should I indicate in bugzilla that I'm also the maintainer of a
port?
Regards
John
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the maintainer (jhay@), but am not a committer anymore.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>The build of this port has been failing lately because Google Earth =
guys did a new build and they just updated the distfile.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>My patch changed the distinfo file and also added the build number t=
o PORTVERSION in the Makefile.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW How should I in=
dicate in bugzilla that I'm also the maintainer of a port?</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>John<br></div></div>
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Subject: Commiter for bug 280317 (deskutils/gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock)
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Hi,
I submitted a patch back in july to fix the broken
deskutils/gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock. Could a commiter have a
look at it?
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=280317
Thank you!
Laurent
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Subject: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package name;
wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
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As an example context, I am referencing:
=
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=3Dmain-armv7-=
default&build=3Dpeb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in Ignored =
ports:
# Package Origin Skipped Reason
1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release =
0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release =
0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
I'll note that here is only one:
=
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking at =
its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier =
content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of =
a unique log file name).
Similarly, that same page is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 3 times =
in Skipped ports:
# Package Origin Reason
727 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca9377_hw10-20240513.1500029_1
728 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca6174_hw21-20240513.1500029_1
729 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-bz-20241017.1500029_1
(Skipped Packages do not get log files.)
As near as I can tell, Package names should be unique, never showing =
such duplicates on this type of pkg-status page and each Ignored port =
row should get its own log file left behind.
=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package
name; wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
Hi Mark, ports@,
> As an example context, I am referencing:
>
> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=main-armv7-default&build=peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>
> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in Ignored ports:
>
> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
> I'll note that here is only one:
>
> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>
> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of a unique log file name).
Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is distinct
with the name of the flavor?
> Similarly, that same page is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 3 times in Skipped ports:
>
> # Package Origin Reason
> 727 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca9377_hw10-20240513.1500029_1
> 728 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca6174_hw21-20240513.1500029_1
> 729 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-bz-20241017.1500029_1
>
> (Skipped Packages do not get log files.)
>
>
> As near as I can tell, Package names should be unique, never showing such duplicates on this type of pkg-status page and each Ignored port row should get its own log file left behind.
Sorry, so far I do no understand where the actual problem is? Again, do
you mean *package* log files names?
Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN respectively
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= aarch64 amd64 i386
so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the first
one "fails" with the IGNORE.
If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it more
precisely?
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package name;
wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
From: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
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On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:12, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>=20
> Hi Mark, ports@,
>=20
>> As an example context, I am referencing:
>>=20
>> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=3Dmain-armv7-=
default&build=3Dpeb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>>=20
>> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in =
Ignored ports:
>>=20
>> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
>> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 =
net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port =
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 =
net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port =
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>=20
> Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
> that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
> Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
I'll use the log file context to try a different wording to try to make
clear what I'm reporting. I'm also CC'ing Bryan Drewery so he can cross
check if I'm just wrong about something.
>=20
>> I'll note that here is only one:
>>=20
>> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>>=20
>> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking =
at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier =
content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of =
a unique log file name).
>=20
> Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is =
distinct
> with the name of the flavor?
As I understand things, package names for a flavor are supposed to =
indicate the flavor
explicitly in some way: such a one-to-one correspondence is required as =
I understand
things.
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
also:
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
The 2 flavors have the same package name.
An example of the consequences:
Go try to find a log file in:
=
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_s48d92db080/logs/
for the check of:
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000
There is not one. That is because the package name does not indicate the =
flavor
at all and that in turn means that the log file name does not contain a =
reference
to the flavor name and the second check replace's the first check's =
file.
As I understand it, poudriere's infrastructure does not support having =
multiple
flavors of a port contributing to the same package for the port (by =
name).
>=20
>> Similarly, that same page is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 3 =
times in Skipped ports:
>>=20
>> # Package Origin Reason
>> 727 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca9377_hw10-20240513.1500029_1
>> 728 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca6174_hw21-20240513.1500029_1
>> 729 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-bz-20241017.1500029_1
>>=20
>> (Skipped Packages do not get log files.)
>>=20
>>=20
>> As near as I can tell, Package names should be unique, never showing =
such duplicates on this type of pkg-status page and each Ignored port =
row should get its own log file left behind.
>=20
> Sorry, so far I do no understand where the actual problem is? Again, =
do
> you mean *package* log files names?
I seem to have messed up for the Skipped ports in my reporting, in that
the 3 reports do all share the same flavor naming and the same package
naming: It is not an example like the Ignored ports. My mistake.
Please ignore the Skipped ports part of my report.
> Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN respectively
> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
>=20
> Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=3D aarch64 amd64 i386
>=20
> so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the =
first
> one "fails" with the IGNORE.
>=20
>=20
> If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
> unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
> I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
>=20
>=20
> Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it more
> precisely?
=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:12, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark, ports@,
>>
>>> As an example context, I am referencing:
>>>
>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=main-armv7-default&build=peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>>>
>>> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in Ignored ports:
>>>
>>> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
>>> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>
>> Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
>> that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
>> Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
>
> I'll use the log file context to try a different wording to try to make
> clear what I'm reporting. I'm also CC'ing Bryan Drewery so he can cross
> check if I'm just wrong about something.
>
>>
>>> I'll note that here is only one:
>>>
>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>>>
>>> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of a unique log file name).
>>
>> Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is distinct
>> with the name of the flavor?
>
> As I understand things, package names for a flavor are supposed to indicate the flavor
> explicitly in some way: such a one-to-one correspondence is required as I understand
> things.
>
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
> also:
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>
> The 2 flavors have the same package name.
No. They are both child packages of the metport pacakge.
The metaport has two flavours by the names:
wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN
The metaport package depends on ports with multiple flavours.
Have a look here:
https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/wifi-firmware-kmod/Makefile
So for example the port:
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod
has flavours:
7000
8000
9000
22000
ax210
bz
which then individually expand to package names like:
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-FLAVOUR-MMMMMMMMM
with FLAVOUR being one of the above and MMMMMMMM being the version of the
iwlwifi firmware. And then there is a verions without the -FLAVOUR in
the middle which contains all of the iwlifi firmware which is the
default target for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod -- which the metaport
does not depend on so you are not seeing it there.
Same goes for rtw88, rtw89, ath1[012]k, mt76.
So it's a tree you are looking at.
Very much like the gpu-firmware port for example.
> An example of the consequences:
>
> Go try to find a log file in:
>
> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/
>
> for the check of:
>
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000
>
> There is not one. That is because the package name does not indicate the flavor
> at all and that in turn means that the log file name does not contain a reference
> to the flavor name and the second check replace's the first check's file.
>
> As I understand it, poudriere's infrastructure does not support having multiple
> flavors of a port contributing to the same package for the port (by name).
>
>>
>>> Similarly, that same page is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 3 times in Skipped ports:
>>>
>>> # Package Origin Reason
>>> 727 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca9377_hw10-20240513.1500029_1
>>> 728 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-ath10k-kmod-qca6174_hw21-20240513.1500029_1
>>> 729 wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@default wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-bz-20241017.1500029_1
>>>
>>> (Skipped Packages do not get log files.)
>>>
>>>
>>> As near as I can tell, Package names should be unique, never showing such duplicates on this type of pkg-status page and each Ignored port row should get its own log file left behind.
>>
>> Sorry, so far I do no understand where the actual problem is? Again, do
>> you mean *package* log files names?
>
> I seem to have messed up for the Skipped ports in my reporting, in that
> the 3 reports do all share the same flavor naming and the same package
> naming: It is not an example like the Ignored ports. My mistake.
>
> Please ignore the Skipped ports part of my report.
>
>> Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN respectively
>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
>>
>> Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= aarch64 amd64 i386
>>
>> so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the first
>> one "fails" with the IGNORE.
>>
>>
>> If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
>> unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
>> I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
>>
>>
>> Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it more
>> precisely?
>
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package name;
wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
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On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>=20
>> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:12, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hi Mark, ports@,
>>>=20
>>>> As an example context, I am referencing:
>>>>=20
>>>> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=3Dmain-armv7-=
default&build=3Dpeb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>>>>=20
>>>> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in =
Ignored ports:
>>>>=20
>>>> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
>>>> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 =
net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port =
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 =
net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port =
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>=20
>>> Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
>>> that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
>>> Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
>>=20
>> I'll use the log file context to try a different wording to try to =
make
>> clear what I'm reporting. I'm also CC'ing Bryan Drewery so he can =
cross
>> check if I'm just wrong about something.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> I'll note that here is only one:
>>>>=20
>>>> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>>>>=20
>>>> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking =
at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier =
content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of =
a unique log file name).
>>>=20
>>> Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is =
distinct
>>> with the name of the flavor?
>>=20
>> As I understand things, package names for a flavor are supposed to =
indicate the flavor
>> explicitly in some way: such a one-to-one correspondence is required =
as I understand
>> things.
>>=20
>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>> also:
>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>>=20
>> The 2 flavors have the same package name.
>=20
> No. They are both child packages of the metport pacakge.
>=20
> The metaport has two flavours by the names:
>=20
> wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN
> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN
>=20
> The metaport package depends on ports with multiple flavours.
> Have a look here:
> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/wifi-firmware-kmod/Makefile
>=20
> So for example the port:
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod
> has flavours:
> 7000
> 8000
> 9000
> 22000
> ax210
> bz
> which then individually expand to package names like:
> wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-FLAVOUR-MMMMMMMMM
> with FLAVOUR being one of the above and MMMMMMMM being the version of =
the
> iwlwifi firmware. And then there is a verions without the -FLAVOUR in
> the middle which contains all of the iwlifi firmware which is the
> default target for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod -- which the =
metaport
> does not depend on so you are not seeing it there.
>=20
> Same goes for rtw88, rtw89, ath1[012]k, mt76.
>=20
> So it's a tree you are looking at.
>=20
> Very much like the gpu-firmware port for example.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/
reports:
QUOTE
Example 4. Flavor Specific PKGNAME
As all packages must have a different package name, flavors must change =
theirs, using flavor_PKGNAMEPREFIX and flavor_PKGNAMESUFFIX makes this =
easy:
FLAVORS=3D normal lite
lite_PKGNAMESUFFIX=3D -lite
END QUOTE
Note the "must". The combination:
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
also:
net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: =
wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
This is via:
BASEDIR=3D ${.CURDIR}/../wifi-firmware-kmod
. . .
.include "${BASEDIR}/Makefile.inc"
That in turn uses:
PORTNAME=3D wifi-firmware-kmod
. . .
FLAVORS=3D default release
release_PKGNAMESUFFIX=3D -release
that ignores the @8000 and @2200 but can not validly do so under the =
wording.
Poudriere itself is reporting the actual pack name in use for
both is: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017=20
I think we just need to wait for Bryan D. to comment about which of us
is correct for the interpretation.
I will say that if you are correct, poudriere depends on using package
names inappropriately, such as that destruction of the log file for
one flavor by the log file for another flavor that uses the same package
name (since only the package naming was used in forming the log file =
name).
>=20
>> An example of the consequences:
>>=20
>> Go try to find a log file in:
>>=20
>> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_s48d92db080/logs/
>>=20
>> for the check of:
>>=20
>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000
>>=20
>> There is not one. That is because the package name does not indicate =
the flavor
>> at all and that in turn means that the log file name does not contain =
a reference
>> to the flavor name and the second check replace's the first check's =
file.
>>=20
>> As I understand it, poudriere's infrastructure does not support =
having multiple
>> flavors of a port contributing to the same package for the port (by =
name).
>>=20
>>> . . .
>>=20
>> Please ignore the Skipped ports part of my report.
>>=20
>>> Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN =
respectively
>>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
>>>=20
>>> Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=3D aarch64 amd64 i386
>>>=20
>>> so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the =
first
>>> one "fails" with the IGNORE.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
>>> unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
>>> I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it =
more
>>> precisely?
>=20
> r15:7
=3D=3D=3D
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marklmi at yahoo.com
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:12, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark, ports@,
>>>>
>>>>> As an example context, I am referencing:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=main-armv7-default&build=peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>>>>>
>>>>> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in Ignored ports:
>>>>>
>>>>> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
>>>>> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>>> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>>
>>>> Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
>>>> that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
>>>> Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
>>>
>>> I'll use the log file context to try a different wording to try to make
>>> clear what I'm reporting. I'm also CC'ing Bryan Drewery so he can cross
>>> check if I'm just wrong about something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'll note that here is only one:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>>>>>
>>>>> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of a unique log file name).
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is distinct
>>>> with the name of the flavor?
>>>
>>> As I understand things, package names for a flavor are supposed to indicate the flavor
>>> explicitly in some way: such a one-to-one correspondence is required as I understand
>>> things.
>>>
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>>> also:
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>>>
>>> The 2 flavors have the same package name.
>>
>> No. They are both child packages of the metport pacakge.
>>
>> The metaport has two flavours by the names:
>>
>> wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN
>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN
>>
>> The metaport package depends on ports with multiple flavours.
>> Have a look here:
>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/wifi-firmware-kmod/Makefile
>>
>> So for example the port:
>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod
>> has flavours:
>> 7000
>> 8000
>> 9000
>> 22000
>> ax210
>> bz
>> which then individually expand to package names like:
>> wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-FLAVOUR-MMMMMMMMM
>> with FLAVOUR being one of the above and MMMMMMMM being the version of the
>> iwlwifi firmware. And then there is a verions without the -FLAVOUR in
>> the middle which contains all of the iwlifi firmware which is the
>> default target for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod -- which the metaport
>> does not depend on so you are not seeing it there.
>>
>> Same goes for rtw88, rtw89, ath1[012]k, mt76.
>>
>> So it's a tree you are looking at.
>>
>> Very much like the gpu-firmware port for example.
>
> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/
>
> reports:
>
> QUOTE
> Example 4. Flavor Specific PKGNAME
> As all packages must have a different package name, flavors must change theirs, using flavor_PKGNAMEPREFIX and flavor_PKGNAMESUFFIX makes this easy:
> FLAVORS= normal lite
> lite_PKGNAMESUFFIX= -lite
> END QUOTE
>
> Note the "must". The combination:
>
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
> also:
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>
> This is via:
>
> BASEDIR= ${.CURDIR}/../wifi-firmware-kmod
> . . .
> .include "${BASEDIR}/Makefile.inc"
>
> That in turn uses:
No! Makefile.inc != Makefile
> PORTNAME= wifi-firmware-kmod
> . . .
> FLAVORS= default release
> release_PKGNAMESUFFIX= -release
>
> that ignores the @8000 and @2200 but can not validly do so under the wording.
>
> Poudriere itself is reporting the actual pack name in use for
> both is: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>
> I think we just need to wait for Bryan D. to comment about which of us
> is correct for the interpretation.
>
> I will say that if you are correct, poudriere depends on using package
> names inappropriately, such as that destruction of the log file for
> one flavor by the log file for another flavor that uses the same package
> name (since only the package naming was used in forming the log file name).
>
>>
>>> An example of the consequences:
>>>
>>> Go try to find a log file in:
>>>
>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/
>>>
>>> for the check of:
>>>
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000
>>>
>>> There is not one. That is because the package name does not indicate the flavor
>>> at all and that in turn means that the log file name does not contain a reference
>>> to the flavor name and the second check replace's the first check's file.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, poudriere's infrastructure does not support having multiple
>>> flavors of a port contributing to the same package for the port (by name).
>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>
>>> Please ignore the Skipped ports part of my report.
>>>
>>>> Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN respectively
>>>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
>>>>
>>>> Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= aarch64 amd64 i386
>>>>
>>>> so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the first
>>>> one "fails" with the IGNORE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
>>>> unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
>>>> I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it more
>>>> precisely?
>>
>> r15:7
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
>
>
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From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bz@freebsd.org>
To: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package
name; wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:12, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mark, ports@,
>>>>
>>>>> As an example context, I am referencing:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/build.html?mastername=main-armv7-default&build=peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080
>>>>>
>>>>> which is showing wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 2 times in Ignored ports:
>>>>>
>>>>> # Package Origin Skipped Reason
>>>>> 1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>>> 1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release 0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
>>>>
>>>> Funny. I'd expect it to try all or just the furst dependency and if
>>>> that gets ingnored then to also ignore the rest right away.
>>>> Parallel built problems in pourdierer?
>>>
>>> I'll use the log file context to try a different wording to try to make
>>> clear what I'm reporting. I'm also CC'ing Bryan Drewery so he can cross
>>> check if I'm just wrong about something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'll note that here is only one:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.log
>>>>>
>>>>> and it is for the net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 when looking at its content. I appears that log file content replaced the earlier content for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 (because of the lack of a unique log file name).
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying "unique log file name" here as the port name is distinct
>>>> with the name of the flavor?
>>>
>>> As I understand things, package names for a flavor are supposed to indicate the flavor
>>> explicitly in some way: such a one-to-one correspondence is required as I understand
>>> things.
>>>
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>>> also:
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>>>
>>> The 2 flavors have the same package name.
>>
>> No. They are both child packages of the metport pacakge.
>>
>> The metaport has two flavours by the names:
>>
>> wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN
>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN
>>
>> The metaport package depends on ports with multiple flavours.
>> Have a look here:
>> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net/wifi-firmware-kmod/Makefile
>>
>> So for example the port:
>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod
>> has flavours:
>> 7000
>> 8000
>> 9000
>> 22000
>> ax210
>> bz
>> which then individually expand to package names like:
>> wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-FLAVOUR-MMMMMMMMM
>> with FLAVOUR being one of the above and MMMMMMMM being the version of the
>> iwlwifi firmware. And then there is a verions without the -FLAVOUR in
>> the middle which contains all of the iwlifi firmware which is the
>> default target for net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod -- which the metaport
>> does not depend on so you are not seeing it there.
>>
>> Same goes for rtw88, rtw89, ath1[012]k, mt76.
>>
>> So it's a tree you are looking at.
>>
>> Very much like the gpu-firmware port for example.
>
> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/
>
> reports:
>
> QUOTE
> Example 4. Flavor Specific PKGNAME
> As all packages must have a different package name, flavors must change theirs, using flavor_PKGNAMEPREFIX and flavor_PKGNAMESUFFIX makes this easy:
> FLAVORS= normal lite
> lite_PKGNAMESUFFIX= -lite
> END QUOTE
>
> Note the "must". The combination:
>
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
> also:
> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 is using the package name: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>
> This is via:
>
> BASEDIR= ${.CURDIR}/../wifi-firmware-kmod
> . . .
> .include "${BASEDIR}/Makefile.inc"
>
> That in turn uses:
>
> PORTNAME= wifi-firmware-kmod
> . . .
> FLAVORS= default release
> release_PKGNAMESUFFIX= -release
>
> that ignores the @8000 and @2200 but can not validly do so under the wording.
If you look at say amd64 (this is from an older build for 14.2 release
testing) you'll find the package names are like this:
./wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-7000-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-9000-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-ax210-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-bz-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw88-kmod-rtw8703b-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw88-kmod-rtw8723d-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw88-kmod-rtw8821c-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw88-kmod-rtw8822b-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw88-kmod-rtw8822c-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw89-kmod-rtw8851b-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw89-kmod-rtw8852a-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw89-kmod-rtw8852b-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw89-kmod-rtw8852c-20241017_1.pkg
./wifi-firmware-rtw89-kmod-rtw8922a-20241017_1.pkg
> Poudriere itself is reporting the actual pack name in use for
> both is: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017
>
> I think we just need to wait for Bryan D. to comment about which of us
> is correct for the interpretation.
>
> I will say that if you are correct, poudriere depends on using package
> names inappropriately, such as that destruction of the log file for
> one flavor by the log file for another flavor that uses the same package
> name (since only the package naming was used in forming the log file name).
>
>>
>>> An example of the consequences:
>>>
>>> Go try to find a log file in:
>>>
>>> https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/
>>>
>>> for the check of:
>>>
>>> net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000
>>>
>>> There is not one. That is because the package name does not indicate the flavor
>>> at all and that in turn means that the log file name does not contain a reference
>>> to the flavor name and the second check replace's the first check's file.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, poudriere's infrastructure does not support having multiple
>>> flavors of a port contributing to the same package for the port (by name).
>>>
>>>> . . .
>>>
>>> Please ignore the Skipped ports part of my report.
>>>
>>>> Those dependency packages for wifi-firmware-kmod-NNNNNNNN respectively
>>>> wifi-firmware-kmod-release-NNNNNNNN are not built for armv7:
>>>>
>>>> Makefile.inc:ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= aarch64 amd64 i386
>>>>
>>>> so hopefully the "parent" (metaport) gets skipped as well once the first
>>>> one "fails" with the IGNORE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If pourdierer does not fully grasp it, so be it. The port names are
>>>> unique with the two flavours there are within the ports framework.
>>>> I'd expect you'd have to file a pourdriererer bug then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise if I get this entirely wrong, can you please explain it more
>>>> precisely?
>>
>> r15:7
>
> ===
> Mark Millard
> marklmi at yahoo.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 is not a unique package name;
wifi-firmware-kmod-20241017 also is not
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, Mark Millard wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2024, at 10:55, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bz@freebsd.org> wrote:. . .
> . . .
> No! Makefile.inc !=3D Makefile
Yep: I looked in the wrong file, for sure. Sorry for the horrible noise.
And, so, what survives in my reporting is the @8000's destroyed content =
of=20
its log file for the Ignore port when @22000 was processed for the same
package and origin: the release flavor of wifi-firmware-kmod . That =
would
be a poudriere problem with preserving log file information.
In more detail . . .
1623 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release =
0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@8000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-8000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
had its log file content in:
. . =
./main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-rel=
ease-20241017.log
but that content was later replaced by the content for:
1629 wifi-firmware-kmod-release-20241017 net/wifi-firmware-kmod@release =
0 Dependent port net/wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod@22000 | =
wifi-firmware-iwlwifi-kmod-22000-20241017.1500029_1 ignored
because both used the name:
. . =
./main-armv7-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_s48d92db080/logs/wifi-firmware-kmod-rel=
ease-20241017.log
and it was not an appending of log information --the content ended up =
only
being present for the second (1629 a.k.a. @22000 in the example).
So this note is now to Bryan D. for that issue for future reference.
=3D=3D=3D
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For example, these 2 recent failures don't appear on
https://portsfallout.com/:
*
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-arm64-default/peb87cb7f3aa2_saf66ffbf69e/logs/onnxruntime-1.18.2_1.log
*
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy15/data/133i386-default/545eb5d3ac42/logs/olive-video-editor-0.2.0.log
Additionally, bugzilla doesn't have a category to report bugs for
https://portsfallout.com/
My request to add such category went unanswered:
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=276267
Thanks,
Yuri
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Yuri <yuri_at_FreeBSD.org> wrote on
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 22:16:46 UTC :
=20
> For example, these 2 recent failures don't appear on=20
> https://portsfallout.com/:
>=20
> *=20
> =
https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/ampere2/data/main-arm64-default/peb87cb7f3a=
a2_saf66ffbf69e/logs/onnxruntime-1.18.2_1.log
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> *=20
> =
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ogs/olive-video-editor-0.2.0.log
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Additionally, bugzilla doesn't have a category to report bugs for=20
> https://portsfallout.com/
>=20
> My request to add such category went unanswered:=20
> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276267
I've added the following note to the above bugzilla,
other than fixing a bad typo here:
QUOTE
There is an upstream project for this, with
https://github.com/dbaio/portsfallout as the
project's place for https://portsfallout.com/ .
The upstream project is not part of FreeBSD
and not maintained by FreeBSD. Its official
repository is not on FreeBSD servers, but
instead on github.
Why not submit problem reports to the upstream
project instead of someplace the developer is
not using to develop or maintain the project?
That place is at least directly tied to the
author/maintainer (dbaio).
Avoidin[g] [the] upstream as where to have problem
reports seems odd to me.
END QUOTE
=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com
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Hi!
Help me!
I mostly use Linux, but I have 2 hard disks with FreeBSD, one is full binary... but this one is supposed to be source.
I say supposed, because I suspect I may have installed XFCE and Firefox by pkg rather than ports... but frankly I don't really knows.
Anyways...
I just updated by sources, by:
# git pull -C /usr/src
check /usr/src/UPDATING
# cd /usr/src
# make -j4 buildworld
# make -j4 kernel
# shutdown -r now
# etcupdate -p
# cd /usr/src
# make installworld
# etcupdate -B
# shutdown -r now
So that:
$ uname -a
FreeBSD esther 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #1 main-n274386-c91dd7a054b3: Thu Dec 19 09:38:03 EST 2024 paul@esther:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
$
So now I did:
portmaster -a
but I get:
Running custom install script '/usr/local/bin/meson --internal gettext install --subdir=po --localedir=share/locale --pkgname=atk10'
====> Compressing man pages (compress-man)
===>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies
===>>> Gathering dependency list for accessibility/atk from ports
===>>> Dependency check complete for accessibility/atk
===>>> adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 1/7 >> accessibility/atk (4/56)
===> Installing for atk-2.36.0
===> Checking if atk is already installed
===> Registering installation for atk-2.36.0 as automatic
Installing atk-2.36.0...
pkg-static: atk-2.36.0 conflicts with at-spi2-core-2.52.0 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local/include/atk-1.0/atk/atk-enum-types.h
*** Error code 1
Stop.
make: stopped making "install" in /usr/ports/accessibility/atk
===>>> Installation of atk-2.36.0 (accessibility/atk) failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> Update for accessibility/atk failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> Update for adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> The following actions were performed:
Installation of devel/ninja (ninja-1.10.2,2)
Installation of devel/meson (meson-0.59.1)
Installation of devel/pkgconf (pkgconf-1.7.4,1)
===>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command line: [not copied long command line]
So I am writing this to get help.
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https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/24 10:48 AM, Paul Dufresne
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:193df9b081d.11a50ddc3145849.3005684197171140318@zoho.com">
<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Hi!
Help me!
I mostly use Linux, but I have 2 hard disks with FreeBSD, one is full binary... but this one is supposed to be source.
I say supposed, because I suspect I may have installed XFCE and Firefox by pkg rather than ports... but frankly I don't really knows.
Anyways...
I just updated by sources, by:
# git pull -C /usr/src
check /usr/src/UPDATING
# cd /usr/src
# make -j4 buildworld
# make -j4 kernel
# shutdown -r now
# etcupdate -p
# cd /usr/src
# make installworld
# etcupdate -B
# shutdown -r now
So that:
$ uname -a
FreeBSD esther 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #1 main-n274386-c91dd7a054b3: Thu Dec 19 09:38:03 EST 2024 <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:paul@esther:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul@esther:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC</a> amd64
$
So now I did:
portmaster -a
but I get:
Running custom install script '/usr/local/bin/meson --internal gettext install --subdir=po --localedir=share/locale --pkgname=atk10'
====> Compressing man pages (compress-man)
===>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies
===>>> Gathering dependency list for accessibility/atk from ports
===>>> Dependency check complete for accessibility/atk
===>>> adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 1/7 >> accessibility/atk (4/56)
===> Installing for atk-2.36.0
===> Checking if atk is already installed
===> Registering installation for atk-2.36.0 as automatic
Installing atk-2.36.0...
pkg-static: atk-2.36.0 conflicts with at-spi2-core-2.52.0 (installs files into the same place). Problematic file: /usr/local/include/atk-1.0/atk/atk-enum-types.h
*** Error code 1
Stop.
make: stopped making "install" in /usr/ports/accessibility/atk
===>>> Installation of atk-2.36.0 (accessibility/atk) failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> Update for accessibility/atk failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> Update for adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 failed
===>>> Aborting update
===>>> The following actions were performed:
Installation of devel/ninja (ninja-1.10.2,2)
Installation of devel/meson (meson-0.59.1)
Installation of devel/pkgconf (pkgconf-1.7.4,1)
===>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command line: [not copied long command line]
So I am writing this to get help.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p>From /usr/ports/UPDATING</p>
<p>20230304:<br>
 AFFECTS: users of accessibility/atk and accessibilty/at-spi2-atk<br>
 AUTHOR: <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:tcberner@FreeBSD.org" moz-do-not-send="true">tcberner@FreeBSD.org</a><br>
 <br>
 The packages accessibility/atk and accessibility/at-spi2-atk
have been<br>
 integrated upstream into at-spi2-core.<br>
 <br>
 Users of these packages can manually remove them prior to
updating<br>
 accessibility/at-spi2-core using<br>
 <br>
    pkg delete -f atk at-spi2-atk<br>
 <br>
 if the pkg update process fails due to conflicting files.</p>
<p><br>
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If you delete atk manually it sh=
ould resolve itself as that port is no
longer available and your tree is =
likely out of date and/or desynced
as accessibility/atk was removed in 20=
23.
See:
https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=3Dfa81a4f5f8ed2bc=
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Best regards,
Daniel
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px">On 2024-12-19T16:48:38.000+01:00, Paul Dufresn=
e <dufresnep@zoho.com> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote an=
swerContentMessage"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><pre style=3D"white-s=
pace: normal;"><div>Hi!<br></div><div>Help me!<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>I mostly use Linux, but I have 2 hard disks with FreeBSD, one is full bina=
ry... but this one is supposed to be source.<br></div><div>I say supposed, =
because I suspect I may have installed XFCE and Firefox by pkg rather than =
ports... but frankly I don't really knows.<br></div><div>Anyways...<br></di=
v><div><br></div><div>I just updated by sources, by:<br></div><div># git pu=
ll -C /usr/src <br></div><div>check /usr/src/UPDATING <br></div><div># cd=
/usr/src <br></div><div># make -j4 buildworld <br></div><div># m=
ake -j4 kernel <br></div><div># shutdown -r now <br></div><div># =
etcupdate -p <br></div><div># cd /usr/src <br></div><div>#=
make installworld <br></div><div># etcupdate -B <br></div><div>=
# shutdown -r now<br></div><div><br></div><div>So that:<br></div><div>$ una=
me -a<br></div><div>FreeBSD esther 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #1 mai=
n-n274386-c91dd7a054b3: Thu Dec 19 09:38:03 EST 2024 paul@esther:/usr/o=
bj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64<br></div><div>$ <br></div><div><br=
></div><div>So now I did:<br></div><div>portmaster -a<br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div>but I get:<br></div><div>Running custom install script '/usr/local/=
bin/meson --internal gettext install --subdir=3Dpo --localedir=3Dshare/loca=
le --pkgname=3Datk10'<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D=3D> Compressing man pages =
(compress-man)<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for runti=
me dependencies<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency li=
st for accessibility/atk from ports<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Dep=
endency check complete for accessibility/atk<br></div><div><br></div><div>=
=3D=3D=3D>>> adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 1/7 >> accessibility/at=
k (4/56)<br></div><div><br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D> Installing for atk-2.3=
6.0<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D> Checking if atk is already installed<br></=
div><div>=3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for atk-2.36.0 as automat=
ic<br></div><div>Installing atk-2.36.0...<br></div><div>pkg-static: atk-2.3=
6.0 conflicts with at-spi2-core-2.52.0 (installs files into the same place)=
. Problematic file: /usr/local/include/atk-1.0/atk/atk-enum-types.h<br></d=
iv><div>*** Error code 1<br></div><div><br></div><div>Stop.<br></div><div>m=
ake: stopped making "install" in /usr/ports/accessibility/atk<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Installation of atk-2.36.0 (accessibi=
lity/atk) failed<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update<br></d=
iv><div><br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Update for accessibility/atk f=
ailed<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update<br></div><div><br=
></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Update for adwaita-icon-theme-42.0 failed=
<br></div><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>=3D=3D=3D>>> The following actions were performed:<br></div=
><div>=09Installation of devel/ninja (ninja-1.10.2,2)<br></div><div>=09Inst=
allation of devel/meson (meson-0.59.1)<br></div><div>=09Installation of dev=
el/pkgconf (pkgconf-1.7.4,1)<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
=3D=3D=3D>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this c=
ommand line: [not copied long command line]<br></div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>So I am writing this to get help.<br></div></pre></blockquote=
></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-=
serif; font-size: 14px">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica =
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:=
14px">If you delete atk manually it should resolve itself as that port is =
no longer available and your tree is likely out of date and/or desynced as =
accessibility/atk was removed in 2023.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: =
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 14px">See: <a href=3D"https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=
=3Dfa81a4f5f8ed2bc2104eca4ebbb1b69731bae2e8">https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports=
/commit/?id=3Dfa81a4f5f8ed2bc2104eca4ebbb1b69731bae2e8</a><br></div><div st=
yle=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-si=
ze: 14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,=
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Best regards,<br></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px=
">Daniel<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, A=
rial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'He=
lvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div></b=
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Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> While this should be uneventful if possible please try PR 283266 and
> report back if you run into any issues and of course success stories
> too.
>
> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=283266
>
> Best regards,
>
> Daniel (diizzy@)
>
Prior to testing, one question: The bug indicates that the port
maintainer was not involved in these changes - is this true and has it
been resolved in the meantime?
Best
Michael
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e please try PR 283266 and<br></div><div> report back if you run into any i=
ssues and of course success stories<br></div><div> too.<br></div><div> <br>=
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<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Daniel (diizzy@)<br></div><div> <br></div><=
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Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
> On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
> wrote:
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> There has been no response from the maintainer regarding PRs about
> this port for over 2 weeks, see PR 283020 and also the end at the
> first comment in PR 283266. PR 283266 has yet to reach maintainer
> timeout.
Have you tried to reach him personally? I mean outside of bugzilla?
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px">On 2024-12-19T22:43:09.000+01:00, Piotr Smyrak=
<ps.ports@smyrak.com> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote an=
swerContentMessage"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><pre style=3D"white-s=
pace: normal;"><div>On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 22:25:37 +0100<br></div><div>Daniel=
Engberg <<a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lis=
ts@pyret.net">daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div> On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.00=
0+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:gre=
mbo@freebsd.org">grembo@freebsd.org</a>><br></div><div> wrote:<br></div>=
<div> <br></div><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div> On Thu, 19 Dec 20=
24 20:39:54 +0100<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Daniel Engberg <<a cl=
ass=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net">dani=
el.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div> While this should be uneventful if p=
ossible please try PR 283266<br></div><div> and<br></div><div> <br></di=
v><div> report back if you run into any issues and of course success<br>=
</div><div> stories<br></div><div> <br></div><div> too.<br></div><di=
v> <br></div><div> <a data-ik=3D"ik-secure" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer=
" class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D283266" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/sh=
ow_bug.cgi?id=3D283266</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div> =
<br></div><div> Prior to testing, one question: The bug indicates that the=
port<br></div><div> <br></div><div> maintainer was not involved in these=
changes - is this true and has<br></div><div> it<br></div><div> <br></di=
v><div> been resolved in the meantime?<br></div></blockquote><div> <br></=
div><div> There has been no response from the maintainer regarding PRs abou=
t<br></div><div> this port for over 2 weeks, see PR 283020 and also the end=
at the<br></div><div> first comment in PR 283266. PR 283266 has yet to rea=
ch maintainer<br></div><div> timeout.<br></div></blockquote><div> <br></div=
><div><br></div><div>Have you tried to reach him personally? I mean outside=
of bugzilla?<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div> Piotr Smyrak<=
br></div></pre></blockquote></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neu=
e', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Hi,<br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size:=
14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Ar=
ial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Not for this specific PR but several time=
s before with little success.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetic=
a Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size=
: 14px">Best regards,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',=
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Daniel<br></div></body></ht=
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Subject: Re: Looking for testers for curl - PR 283266
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:26, Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div sty=
le=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1=
4px;">On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<a href=3D"mailto=
:grembo@freebsd.org" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink">grembo@freebs=
d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote answerContentMessa=
ge"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><pre style=3D"white-space:normal;"><di=
v>On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:39:54 +0100<br></div><div>Daniel Engberg <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net" class=3D"defaultMailLink default=
MailLink">daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div> Hi,<br></div><div> <br></div><d=
iv> While this should be uneventful if possible please try PR 283266 and<br>=
</div><div> report back if you run into any issues and of course success sto=
ries<br></div><div> too.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a data-ik=3D"ik-sec=
ure" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/s=
how_bug.cgi?id=3D283266" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink" target=3D=
"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266</a><br><=
/div><div> <br></div><div> Best regards,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Dani=
el (diizzy@)<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div> <br></div><div>Prio=
r to testing, one question: The bug indicates that the port<br></div><div>ma=
intainer was not involved in these changes - is this true and has it<br></di=
v><div>been resolved in the meantime?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br><=
/div><div>Michael<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Michael Gme=
lin<br></div></pre></blockquote></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica N=
eue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D=
"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"=
><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, san=
s-serif;font-size:14px;">There has been no response from the maintainer rega=
rding PRs about this port for over 2 weeks, see PR 283020</div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>This PR was opened on 2024-11-28. You committed a p=
atch mentioning it a week later, so it might very well look like you fixed t=
he problem (which is what I thought at first when seeing it). Apparently tha=
t was a reference error (accidental, I assume).</div><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">and also the end at the first comment i=
n PR 283266.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The end of the first com=
ment in that PR reads =E2=80=9CCheers Max=E2=80=9D.<div><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helve=
tica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> PR 283266 has yet to reach maintai=
ner timeout.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This PR is eight da=
ys old by now and it=E2=80=99s Christmas/Holiday season, so it certainly won=
=E2=80=99t hit maintainer timeout on Christmas Eve or the holiday week in ge=
neral. I would say, acting in good faith, maintainer timeout should be delay=
ed by at least one or two additional weeks on this one.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Lining up PRs preparing for a timeout and making a maintainer change pa=
rt of that, strategically planing ahead to commit the very moment the right n=
umber of days has passed, doesn=E2=80=99t seem like an ingenious way of coop=
erating with your fellow project members to me.</div><div><br></div><div>Bes=
t</div><div>Michael</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>=
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=A0the=C2=A0right=C2=A0number=C2=A0of=C2=A0days=C2=A0has=C2=A0passed,=C2=
=A0doesn=E2=80=99t=C2=A0seem=C2=A0like=C2=A0an
>=C2=A0ingenious=C2=A0way=
=C2=A0of=C2=A0cooperating=C2=A0with=C2=A0your=C2=A0fellow=C2=A0project=
=C2=A0members=C2=A0to=C2=A0me.
>=C2=A0
>=C2=A0Best
>=C2=A0
>=C2=
=A0Michael
Hi,
Since you seem to intentionally misinterpret and n=
ot seem to be aware
of policies. I answered your question and if you read=
Porters Handbook
it says the following, "If the maintainer does not resp=
ond to an
update request after two weeks (excluding major public holidays=
), then
that is considered a maintainer timeout, and the update can be ma=
de
without explicit maintainer approval.". So no, there has been no
inv=
olvement because the maintainer hasn't replied and it hasn't
reached main=
tainer timeout.=20
I also clarified the suggested maintainer change by "=
...which is why
assigning it to a group is likely a better idea for some =
ports such as
this one." That's from the first comment in PR 283266. That=
is subject
to change and not final because it's an open PR and up for re=
viewing.
So neither of your claims are valid, please read more careful=
ly next
time.
Best regards,
Daniel
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:14px;">On 2024-12-19T23:30:41.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin=
<<a href=3D"mailto:grembo@freebsd.org" class=3D"defaultMailLink default=
MailLink">grembo@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_=
quote answerContentMessage"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div class=3D=
"ws-ng-mail-style--15194eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div>On 19. Dec 2024, at 22:26, Daniel Engberg <<a href=3D"mailto:=
daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink de=
faultMailLink">daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=EF=BB=BF<br>=
</div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-se=
rif;font-size:14px;">On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<=
a href=3D"mailto:grembo@freebsd.org" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLi=
nk">grembo@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote-=
15194eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><blockquote class=3D""><pre style=3D"white-space:n=
ormal;"><div>On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:39:54 +0100<br></div><div>Daniel Engber=
g <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net" class=3D"defaultMai=
lLink defaultMailLink">daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D""><div> Hi,<br></div><div> <br></di=
v><div> While this should be uneventful if possible please try PR 283266 an=
d<br></div><div> report back if you run into any issues and of course succe=
ss stories<br></div><div> too.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a data-ik=3D=
"ik-secure" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bu=
gzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink" =
target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D28326=
6</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Best regards,<br></div><div> <br></div=
><div> Daniel (diizzy@)<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div> <br></d=
iv><div>Prior to testing, one question: The bug indicates that the port<br>=
</div><div>maintainer was not involved in these changes - is this true and =
has it<br></div><div>been resolved in the meantime?<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div>=
<div>Michael Gmelin<br></div></pre></blockquote></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Hi,<br=
></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-s=
erif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue',=
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">There has been no response f=
rom the maintainer regarding PRs about this port for over 2 weeks, see PR 2=
83020<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This PR was opened on=
2024-11-28. You committed a patch mentioning it a week later, so it might =
very well look like you fixed the problem (which is what I thought at first=
when seeing it). Apparently that was a reference error (accidental, I assu=
me).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:14px;">and also the end at the first comment in PR 283266.<br></div></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The end of the first comment in that P=
R reads =E2=80=9CCheers Max=E2=80=9D.<br></div><div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neu=
e', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">PR 283266 has yet to reac=
h maintainer timeout.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This =
PR is eight days old by now and it=E2=80=99s Christmas/Holiday season, so i=
t certainly won=E2=80=99t hit maintainer timeout on Christmas Eve or the ho=
liday week in general. I would say, acting in good faith, maintainer timeou=
t should be delayed by at least one or two additional weeks on this one.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>Lining up PRs preparing for a timeout and making=
a maintainer change part of that, strategically planing ahead to commit th=
e very moment the right number of days has passed, doesn=E2=80=99t seem lik=
e an ingenious way of cooperating with your fellow project members to me.<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></div></div></div=
></blockquote></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'=
Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font=
-size:14px;">Since you seem to intentionally misinterpret and not seem to b=
e aware of policies. I answered your question and if you read Porters Handb=
ook it says the following, "If the maintainer does not respond to an update=
request after two weeks=20
(excluding major public holidays), then that is considered a maintainer=20
timeout, and the update can be made without explicit maintainer=20
approval.". So no, there has been no involvement because the maintainer has=
n't replied and it hasn't reached maintainer timeout. <br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14=
px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">I also clarified the suggested maintainer cha=
nge by "...which is why assigning it to a group is likely a better idea for=
some ports such as this one." That's from the first comment in PR 283266. =
That is subject to change and not final because it's an open PR and up for =
reviewing.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Hel=
vetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">So neither of y=
our claims are valid, please read more carefully next time.<br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 14px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Best regards,<br></div><div style=3D"=
font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14p=
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Subject: Re: Looking for testers for curl - PR 283266
From: Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 20. Dec 2024, at 00=
:18, Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:<br><br></b=
lockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div sty=
le=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1=
4px;">On 2024-12-19T23:30:41.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<a href=3D"mailto=
:grembo@freebsd.org" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink">grembo@freebs=
d.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote answerContentMessa=
ge"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div class=3D"ws-ng-mail-style--15194e=
Jzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 19. Dec 2024,=
at 22:26, Daniel Engberg <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.n=
et" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink defaultMailLink">daniel.engberg=
.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=EF=BB=BF<br></div><div style=3D"font-family=
:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On 2024-12-=
19T21:33:14.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<a href=3D"mailto:grembo@freebsd.o=
rg" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink">grembo@freebsd.org</a>> wro=
te:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote-15194eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><blockquot=
e class=3D""><pre style=3D"white-space:normal;"><div>On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:=
39:54 +0100<br></div><div>Daniel Engberg <<a href=3D"mailto:daniel.engber=
g.lists@pyret.net" class=3D"defaultMailLink defaultMailLink">daniel.engberg.=
lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
"><div> Hi,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> While this should be uneventful i=
f possible please try PR 283266 and<br></div><div> report back if you run in=
to any issues and of course success stories<br></div><div> too.<br></div><di=
v> <br></div><div> <a data-ik=3D"ik-secure" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" href=
=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266" class=3D"def=
aultMailLink defaultMailLink" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bug=
zilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Best regar=
ds,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Daniel (diizzy@)<br></div><div> <br></div=
></blockquote><div> <br></div><div>Prior to testing, one question: The bug i=
ndicates that the port<br></div><div>maintainer was not involved in these ch=
anges - is this true and has it<br></div><div>been resolved in the meantime?=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>-- <br></div><div>Michael Gmelin<br></div></pre></blockquote></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helv=
etica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">There has b=
een no response from the maintainer regarding PRs about this port for over 2=
weeks, see PR 283020<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This P=
R was opened on 2024-11-28. You committed a patch mentioning it a week later=
, so it might very well look like you fixed the problem (which is what I tho=
ught at first when seeing it). Apparently that was a reference error (accide=
ntal, I assume).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-ser=
if;font-size:14px;">and also the end at the first comment in PR 283266.<br><=
/div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The end of the first comment in t=
hat PR reads =E2=80=9CCheers Max=E2=80=9D.<br></div><div><div><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica N=
eue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">PR 283266 has yet to rea=
ch maintainer timeout.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This P=
R is eight days old by now and it=E2=80=99s Christmas/Holiday season, so it c=
ertainly won=E2=80=99t hit maintainer timeout on Christmas Eve or the holida=
y week in general. I would say, acting in good faith, maintainer timeout sho=
uld be delayed by at least one or two additional weeks on this one.<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>Lining up PRs preparing for a timeout and making a main=
tainer change part of that, strategically planing ahead to commit the very m=
oment the right number of days has passed, doesn=E2=80=99t seem like an inge=
nious way of cooperating with your fellow project members to me.<br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></div></div></div></blockquo=
te></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-=
serif;font-size:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neu=
e', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Si=
nce you seem to intentionally misinterpret and not seem to be aware of polic=
ies.</div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-si=
ze:14px;">I answered your question and if you read Porters Handbook it says t=
he following, "If the maintainer does not respond to an update request after=
two weeks=20
(excluding major public holidays), </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>We are in a period of major public holidays.</div><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">then that is considered a maintainer=20=
timeout, and the update can be made without explicit maintainer=20
approval.". So no, there has been no involvement because the maintainer hasn=
't replied and it hasn't reached maintainer timeout. <br></div></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>Your primary reasoning to propose the change of ma=
intainership was maintainer timeout.</div><div><br></div><div>There weren=E2=
=80=99t three consecutive ones and there was no period of three months witho=
ut feedback (at least afaik). =E2=80=9CThere has be no response from the mai=
ntainer about PRs about this port for more than 2 weeks=E2=80=9D is not enou=
gh to rationalize such drastic changes.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica=
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">I also clarified the s=
uggested maintainer change by</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><s=
pan style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This would be a=
lot more credible if the takeover of maintainership wouldn=E2=80=99t be mix=
ed with sweeping changes to how the port is built, which happen to include e=
xactly those which the maintainer opposed.</span></div><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> "...which is why assigning it to a gr=
oup is likely a better idea for some ports such as this one."</div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>That depends on the group. I honestly don=E2=80=
=99t know who=E2=80=99s in desktop@ (I couldn=E2=80=99t figure it out googli=
ng for 60 seconds, so maybe there is a record somewhere and I=E2=80=99m too l=
azy). </div><div><br></div><div>Having someone actually responsible som=
etimes works better than a group, unless that group provides sufficient tran=
sparency. I don=E2=80=99t see that sunpoet has failed us as the maintainer f=
or this port and it doesn=E2=80=99t seem like you discussed it with them in a=
genuine way. So maybe that would be a first step, even if it means spending=
time and effort on that human interaction.</div><div><br></div><div>Besides=
that, as someone else already pointed out, desktop@ doesn=E2=80=99t seem li=
ke an obvious choice to me.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:14px;">That's from the first comment in PR 283266. That is subjec=
t to change and not final because it's an open PR and up for reviewing.</div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The first comment is by Max. You pro=
bably mean the bug description written by yourself (yes, that=E2=80=99s nitp=
icking, but as this was coming from someone who cares a lot about detail, I t=
ook the liberty to take you literally).</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">So neither of your claims are valid, p=
lease read more carefully next time.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>Beyond policies (which are there to give us guidelines to operate by), w=
e are a group of individuals collaborating, so human interaction, acting in g=
ood faith and giving other collaborators the benefit of the doubt should com=
e first. Which, for example, also means, not using maintainer timeout to dep=
recate ports, just because the maintainer didn=E2=80=99t manage to react wit=
hin 1209600 seconds[0].</div><div><br></div><div>Likewise, I should assume y=
ou=E2=80=99re acting in good faith, but even if you mean well, following you=
r emails about (sometimes minor) corrections on commits, especially on sunpo=
et=E2=80=99s, often written in a demanding and disrespectful tone, makes tha=
t hard and it creates an atmosphere in which one thinks twice about making a=
contribution or even open a bug report.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding t=
he issue at hand, I would suggest that, <span style=3D"caret-color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">instead of trying to do this in a =E2=80=9C=
let=E2=80=99s hope we reach maintainer timeout=E2=80=9D style, </span>y=
ou raise the topic of curl maintainership with portmgr and/or core and -&nbs=
p;<span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">given that=
it=E2=80=99s such an important/central piece of software </span>- make=
your case why this transfer of maintainership to desktop@ is supposed to be=
a good idea.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Michael</div><div><br>=
</div><div>[0] e.g., <a href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_=
bug.cgi?id=3D276186">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276=
186</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></b=
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From: Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
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On 20. Dec 2024, at 00:18, Daniel Engberg
<daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> On 2024-12-19T23:30:41.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 19. Dec 2024, at 22:26, Daniel Engberg
>> <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin
>>> <grembo@freebsd.org> wrote: On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 20:39:54 +0100
>>>> Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>>> =20
>>>>> While this should be uneventful if possible please try PR 283266
>>>>> and report back if you run into any issues and of course success
>>>>> stories too.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Daniel (diizzy@)
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>> Prior to testing, one question: The bug indicates that the port
>>>> maintainer was not involved in these changes - is this true and
>>>> has it been resolved in the meantime?
>>>>=20
>>>> Best
>>>> Michael
>>>>=20
>>>> --=20
>>>> Michael Gmelin
>>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> There has been no response from the maintainer regarding PRs about
>>> this port for over 2 weeks, see PR 283020
>>>=20
>> This PR was opened on 2024-11-28. You committed a patch mentioning
>> it a week later, so it might very well look like you fixed the
>> problem (which is what I thought at first when seeing it).
>> Apparently that was a reference error (accidental, I assume).
>>=20
>> and also the end at the first comment in PR 283266.
>>>=20
>> The end of the first comment in that PR reads =E2=80=9CCheers Max=E2=80=
=9D.
>>=20
>> PR 283266 has yet to reach maintainer timeout.
>>>=20
>> This PR is eight days old by now and it=E2=80=99s Christmas/Holiday seas=
on,
>> so it certainly won=E2=80=99t hit maintainer timeout on Christmas Eve or=
the
>> holiday week in general. I would say, acting in good faith,
>> maintainer timeout should be delayed by at least one or two
>> additional weeks on this one.
>>=20
>> Lining up PRs preparing for a timeout and making a maintainer change
>> part of that, strategically planing ahead to commit the very moment
>> the right number of days has passed, doesn=E2=80=99t seem like an ingeni=
ous
>> way of cooperating with your fellow project members to me.
>>=20
>> Best
>> Michael
>> Hi,
>=20
(sending again from a proper email client - *sigh*)
> Since you seem to intentionally misinterpret and not seem to be aware
> of policies. I answered your question and if you read Porters
> Handbook it says the following, "If the maintainer does not respond
> to an update request after two weeks (excluding major public
> holidays),
>
We are in a period of major public holidays.
> then that is considered a maintainer timeout, and the update can be
> made without explicit maintainer approval.". So no, there has been no
> involvement because the maintainer hasn't replied and it hasn't
> reached maintainer timeout.
>
Your primary reasoning to propose the change of maintainership was
maintainer timeout.
There weren=E2=80=99t three consecutive ones and there was no period of thr=
ee
months without feedback (at least afaik). =E2=80=9CThere has be no response
from the maintainer about PRs about this port for more than 2 weeks=E2=80=
=9D is
not enough to rationalize such drastic changes.
> I also clarified the suggested maintainer change by
>=20
This would be a lot more credible if the takeover of maintainership
wouldn=E2=80=99t be mixed with sweeping changes to how the port is built, w=
hich
happen to include exactly those which the maintainer opposed.
> "...which is why assigning it to a group is likely a better idea for
> some ports such as this one."
=20
That depends on the group. I honestly don=E2=80=99t know who=E2=80=99s in d=
esktop@ (I
couldn=E2=80=99t figure it out googling for 60 seconds, so maybe there is a
record somewhere and I=E2=80=99m too lazy).=C2=A0
Having someone actually responsible sometimes works better than a
group, unless that group provides sufficient transparency. I don=E2=80=99t =
see
that sunpoet has failed us as the maintainer for this port and it
doesn=E2=80=99t seem like you discussed it with them in a genuine way. So m=
aybe
that would be a first step, even if it means spending time and effort
on that human interaction.
Besides that, as someone else already pointed out, desktop@ doesn=E2=80=99t
seem like an obvious choice to me.
> That's from the first comment in PR 283266. That is subject to change
> and not final because it's an open PR and up for reviewing.
The first comment is by Max. You probably mean the bug description
written by yourself (yes, that=E2=80=99s nitpicking, but as this was coming
from someone who cares a lot about detail, I took the liberty to take
you literally).
> So neither of your claims are valid, please read more carefully next
> time.
>=20
Beyond policies (which are there to give us guidelines to operate by),
we are a group of individuals collaborating, so human interaction,
acting in good faith and giving other collaborators the benefit of the
doubt should come first. Which, for example, also means, not using
maintainer timeout to deprecate ports, just because the maintainer
didn=E2=80=99t manage to react within 1209600 seconds[0].
Likewise, I should assume you=E2=80=99re acting in good faith, but even if =
you
mean well, following your emails about (sometimes minor) corrections on
commits, especially on sunpoet=E2=80=99s, often written in a demanding and
disrespectful tone, makes that hard and it creates an atmosphere in
which one thinks twice about making a contribution or even open a bug
report.
Regarding the issue at hand, I would suggest that,=C2=A0instead of trying to
do this in a =E2=80=9Clet=E2=80=99s hope we reach maintainer timeout=E2=80=
=9D style,=C2=A0you raise
the topic of curl maintainership with portmgr and/or core and -=C2=A0given
that it=E2=80=99s such an important/central piece of software=C2=A0- make y=
our case
why this transfer of maintainership to desktop@ is supposed to be a
good idea.
Best
Michael
[0] e.g.,=C2=A0https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276186
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On 2024-12-20T02:06:46.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
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Hi,
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what you seem to aware of however if you want to discuss incidents=
further we can do this in another forum.
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Daniel=
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px">On 2024-12-20T02:06:46.000+01:00, Michael Gmel=
in <grembo@freebsd.org> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote a=
nswerContentMessage"><blockquote class=3D"ws-ng-quote"><div class=3D"ws-ng-=
mail-style--15197eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div>On 20. Dec 2024, at 00:18, Daniel Engberg <<a class=3D"defaultMailLi=
nk defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net">daniel.e=
ngberg.lists@pyret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div></blockquote></div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=EF=BB=BF<br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On=
2024-12-19T23:30:41.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <<a class=3D"defaultMailL=
ink" href=3D"mailto:grembo@freebsd.org">grembo@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<b=
r></div><div class=3D"ik_mail_quote-15197eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 19. D=
ec 2024, at 22:26, Daniel Engberg <<a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"=
mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net">daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div>=EF=BB=BF<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', H=
elvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On 2024-12-19T21:33:14.000+01:=
00, Michael Gmelin <<a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"mailto:grembo@f=
reebsd.org">grembo@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D""><blo=
ckquote class=3D""><pre style=3D"white-space:normal;"><div>On Thu, 19 Dec 2=
024 20:39:54 +0100<br></div><div>Daniel Engberg <<a class=3D"defaultMail=
Link" href=3D"mailto:daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net">daniel.engberg.lists@p=
yret.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D""><div=
> Hi,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> While this should be uneventful if po=
ssible please try PR 283266 and<br></div><div> report back if you run into =
any issues and of course success stories<br></div><div> too.<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div> <a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.=
org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D283266" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" data-ik=
=3D"ik-secure" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug=
.cgi?id=3D283266</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Best regards,<br></div>=
<div> <br></div><div> Daniel (diizzy@)<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquot=
e><div> <br></div><div>Prior to testing, one question: The bug indicates th=
at the port<br></div><div>maintainer was not involved in these changes - is=
this true and has it<br></div><div>been resolved in the meantime?<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>-- <br></div><div>Michael Gmelin<br></div></pre></blockquote></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-siz=
e:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'H=
elvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">There has bee=
n no response from the maintainer regarding PRs about this port for over 2 =
weeks, see PR 283020<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This P=
R was opened on 2024-11-28. You committed a patch mentioning it a week late=
r, so it might very well look like you fixed the problem (which is what I t=
hought at first when seeing it). Apparently that was a reference error (acc=
idental, I assume).<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:14px;">and also the end at the first comment in PR 2832=
66.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The end of the first co=
mment in that PR reads =E2=80=9CCheers Max=E2=80=9D.<br></div><div><div><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family=
:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">PR 283266 =
has yet to reach maintainer timeout.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>This PR is eight days old by now and it=E2=80=99s Christmas/Holid=
ay season, so it certainly won=E2=80=99t hit maintainer timeout on Christma=
s Eve or the holiday week in general. I would say, acting in good faith, ma=
intainer timeout should be delayed by at least one or two additional weeks =
on this one.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Lining up PRs preparing for a tim=
eout and making a maintainer change part of that, strategically planing ahe=
ad to commit the very moment the right number of days has passed, doesn=
=E2=80=99t seem like an ingenious way of cooperating with your fellow proje=
ct members to me.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<b=
r></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica=
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Hi,<br></div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:=
14px;"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Ari=
al, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Since you seem to intentionally misinterpre=
t and not seem to be aware of policies.<br></div></div></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Ne=
ue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">I answered your question=
and if you read Porters Handbook it says the following, "If the maintainer=
does not respond to an update request after two weeks=20
(excluding major public holidays),<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></d=
iv><div>We are in a period of major public holidays.<br></div><div><br></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Hel=
vetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">then that is co=
nsidered a maintainer=20
timeout, and the update can be made without explicit maintainer=20
approval.". So no, there has been no involvement because the maintainer has=
n't replied and it hasn't reached maintainer timeout. <br></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>Your primary reasoning to propose the change of=
maintainership was maintainer timeout.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There =
weren=E2=80=99t three consecutive ones and there was no period of three mon=
ths without feedback (at least afaik). =E2=80=9CThere has be no response fr=
om the maintainer about PRs about this port for more than 2 weeks=E2=80=
=9D is not enough to rationalize such drastic changes.<br></div><div><br></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'H=
elvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:14px;">I also clarified the suggested maintainer change by<br></div></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"colour" style=3D"color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0)">This would be a lot more credible if the takeover of maintain=
ership wouldn=E2=80=99t be mixed with sweeping changes to how the port is b=
uilt, which happen to include exactly those which the maintainer opposed.</=
span><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font=
-size:14px;">"...which is why assigning it to a group is likely a better id=
ea for some ports such as this one."<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>That depends on the group. I honestly don=E2=80=99t know who=
=E2=80=99s in desktop@ (I couldn=E2=80=99t figure it out googling for 60 se=
conds, so maybe there is a record somewhere and I=E2=80=99m too lazy). =
;<br></div><div><br></div><div>Having someone actually responsible sometime=
s works better than a group, unless that group provides sufficient transpar=
ency. I don=E2=80=99t see that sunpoet has failed us as the maintainer for =
this port and it doesn=E2=80=99t seem like you discussed it with them in a =
genuine way. So maybe that would be a first step, even if it means spending=
time and effort on that human interaction.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Be=
sides that, as someone else already pointed out, desktop@ doesn=E2=80=99t s=
eem like an obvious choice to me.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helv=
etica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">That's from the first comment in =
PR 283266. That is subject to change and not final because it's an open PR =
and up for reviewing.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The f=
irst comment is by Max. You probably mean the bug description written by yo=
urself (yes, that=E2=80=99s nitpicking, but as this was coming from someone=
who cares a lot about detail, I took the liberty to take you literally).<b=
r></div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1=
4px;"><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:14px;">So neither of your claims are valid, please read more car=
efully next time.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Beyond po=
licies (which are there to give us guidelines to operate by), we are a grou=
p of individuals collaborating, so human interaction, acting in good faith =
and giving other collaborators the benefit of the doubt should come first. =
Which, for example, also means, not using maintainer timeout to deprecate p=
orts, just because the maintainer didn=E2=80=99t manage to react within 120=
9600 seconds[0].<br></div><div><br></div><div>Likewise, I should assume you=
=E2=80=99re acting in good faith, but even if you mean well, following your=
emails about (sometimes minor) corrections on commits, especially on sunpo=
et=E2=80=99s, often written in a demanding and disrespectful tone, makes th=
at hard and it creates an atmosphere in which one thinks twice about making=
a contribution or even open a bug report.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Reg=
arding the issue at hand, I would suggest that, <span class=3D"colour"=
style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">instead of trying to do this in a =E2=80=
=9Clet=E2=80=99s hope we reach maintainer timeout=E2=80=9D style, </sp=
an>you raise the topic of curl maintainership with portmgr and/or core and =
- <span class=3D"colour" style=3D"color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">given that it=
=E2=80=99s such an important/central piece of software </span>- make y=
our case why this transfer of maintainership to desktop@ is supposed to be =
a good idea.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best<br></div><div>Michael<br></d=
iv><div><br></div><div>[0] e.g., <a class=3D"defaultMailLink" href=3D"=
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276186" rel=3D"noopener=
noreferrer" data-ik=3D"ik-secure" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.o=
rg/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276186</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Aria=
l, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Hi,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'He=
lvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; fon=
t-size: 14px">Unfortunately this seems to take a wrong turn as you appear t=
o want to drive your narrative endlessly irregardless.There's more to it th=
an what you seem to aware of however if you want to discuss incidents furth=
er we can do this in another forum.<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'He=
lvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; fon=
t-size: 14px">Best regards,<br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Helvetica =
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px">Daniel<br></div></bod=
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 03:37:48 +0100
From: Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
To: Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net>
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Subject: Re: Looking for testers for curl - PR 283266
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 02:35:01 +0100
Daniel Engberg <daniel.engberg.lists@pyret.net> wrote:
> On 2024-12-20T02:06:46.000+01:00, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>
> wrote:
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>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Unfortunately this seems to take a wrong turn as you appear to want to
> drive your narrative endlessly irregardless
I don't have a narrative, just honest feedback based on what I've seen.
> There's more to it than what you seem to aware of however if you want
> to discuss incidents further we can do this in another forum.
Assuming there are important facts that are not in the open, having
that deeper knowledge of the situation would certainly help.
Best
Michael
--=20
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It looks like I was updating world and kernels... but had not git pull from /usr/ports for a long time... probably 2021.
When now I do portmaster -a 1>normal.txt 2>errs.txt
normal.txt at: https://paste.mozilla.org/87s2LQ3O
errs.txt at: https://paste.mozilla.org/wgxoWJ8C
So I am unsure how I should handle this situation.
I should probably scrap that installation I suppose... as I don't use it much.
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Subject: Re: Looking for testers for curl - PR 283266
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Subject: following too old branch, was: pkg-static: atk-2.36.0 conflicts
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Looks like I was still on branch 2021Q4 of the ports.
Now switched to 2024Q4.
Problems seems fixed, except for some installed packages that seems to have no ports:
>From portmaster -L:
===>>> gcr3-3.40.0_2
===>>> No /usr/ports/security/gcr3 exists, and no information
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Hi,
databases/db5 is EOLed since 2022
If I run pkg-query on it :
 [root@numenor ~]# pkg query %ro db5
 mail/postfix
 databases/p5-BerkeleyDB
 databases/ruby-bdb
I know I have to rebuild those 3 ports
Are DB files compatible between two version, or do I have to rebuild
each of them
 for F in access localusers relay_domains sender_checks transport; do
postmap $F; done
Is there other issues I need to be aware ?
Regards,
Xavier
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Xavier HUMBERT - Unix/Win/MacOSX Sysadmin/Network Engineer
https://www.amdh.fr