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From: Luciano Mannucci <luciano@vespaperitivo.it>
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Helo all,
I am having kernel panics on a virtual freebsd guest running under
linux Ubuntu Qemu/KVN on a PPC64 machine. How and where am I suposed
to report that? Once upon a time it used to do it automagically via
panicmail or something similar. Is it still the case?
Thanks to all && forgive my english,
Luciano.
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Hello to everyone.
I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model
xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that's
it :
https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's very
EOL.
I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on arm 32
bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using the
freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 directly on
that machine,as you can read below :
[image: unnamed.png]
I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking about
on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable or
upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. Do
you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks.
--
Mario.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello to everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm t=
rying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model xe303c12 ; =
I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that's it =
:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebo=
ok">https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook</a></div><div><br></div><div>Th=
e problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's ve=
ry EOL.</div><div>I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but=
I'm on arm 32 bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automati=
cally using the freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't ins=
tall 14 directly on that machine,as you can read below :</div><div><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_lrf3zpy30" alt=3D"unnamed.png" wid=
th=3D"468" height=3D"237"><br></div><div><br></div><div>I've looked all=
around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking about on the Free=
BSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable or upgradable. It =
does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal. Do you have any sug=
gestions that can help me ? Thanks.<br></div><div><br><span class=3D"gmail_=
signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" =
data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></div></div></div>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:46:43 +0100
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Subject: Re: How to upgrade an EOL FreeBSD release or how to make it working again
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The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. But let's change
perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM Chromebook. My question
is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. I ask this because there is a
huge difference here between FreeBSD and Linux. Today if you need to use ,
for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it as is. Yes,there will be a lot of
bugs,but it will work without crashes. But if you want to use an old
FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. So,do you know some methods to
install even packages or ports ? You know,there are cases when you need to
do some experiments so that you can keep your machine off the internet,so
you aren't scared that someone can compromise it. Totally prohibiting the
users to use an old system,removing ports and packages is not a choice that
I approve of. And I'm not the only one that thinks like this.
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM John F Carr <jfc@mit.edu> wrote:
> Judging by a commit message BSD on the ARM Chromebook didn't work
> when support was removed in 2019.
>
> >RK* Exynos* and Meson*/Odroid* don't even work with current
> >source code, if someone wants to make them work again they
> >better use the Linux DTS.
>
> https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67bbf6242e8=
25801f18
>
> I have one of the "snow" Chromebooks. The warnings in the web page
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook led me not to try FreeBSD.
> None of the many bugs seemed likely to ever be fixed. I'm not using it
> so I could try an experiment, but fighting with u-boot is not how I want
> to spend my days. Even the popular Raspberry Pi takes skill or luck.
>
> (So "build an arm6 world and copy X, Y, and Z to the DOS partition
> on your USB drive" is the kind of advice I need to supplement the old
> Chromebook wiki page.)
>
> There is at least a little value in getting it to work because the armv6
> code is bit rotting and will go away entirely unless people use it.
>
> John Carr
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:59, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello to everyone.
> >
> > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook model
> xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,that'=
s
> it :
> >
> > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
> >
> > The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that's
> very EOL.
> > I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on arm 32
> bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using the
> freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 directly o=
n
> that machine,as you can read below :
> >
> >
> > <unnamed.png>
> >
> > I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm talking
> about on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be usable
> or upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my goal.
> Do you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Mario.
>
>
--=20
Mario.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent. B=
ut let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM =
Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL. I ask=
this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and Linux. To=
day if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it as is. Yes=
,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes. But if you w=
ant to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you. So,do you know =
some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,there are cases w=
hen you need to do some experiments so that you can keep your machine off t=
he internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compromise it. Totall=
y prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports and packages is=
not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only one that thinks l=
ike this.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM John F Carr <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jfc@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">jfc@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Judging by a commit m=
essage BSD on the ARM Chromebook didn't work<br>
when support was removed in 2019.<br>
<br>
>RK* Exynos* and Meson*/Odroid* don't even work with current<br>
>source code, if someone wants to make them work again they<br>
>better use the Linux DTS.<br>
<a href=3D"https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67=
bbf6242e825801f18" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://cgit.freebs=
d.org/src/commit?id=3D9dfa2a54684978d1d6cef67bbf6242e825801f18</a><br>
<br>
I have one of the "snow" Chromebooks.=C2=A0 The warnings in the w=
eb page<br>
<a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook</a> led me not to try=
FreeBSD.<br>
None of the many bugs seemed likely to ever be fixed.=C2=A0 I'm not usi=
ng it<br>
so I could try an experiment, but fighting with u-boot is not how I want<br=
>
to spend my days.=C2=A0 Even the popular Raspberry Pi takes skill or luck.<=
br>
<br>
(So "build an arm6 world and copy X, Y, and Z to the DOS partition<br>
on your USB drive" is the kind of advice I need to supplement the old<=
br>
Chromebook wiki page.)<br>
<br>
There is at least a little value in getting it to work because the armv6<br=
>
code is bit rotting and will go away entirely unless people use it.<br>
<br>
John Carr<br>
<br>
<br>
> On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:59, Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:mariet=
to2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<b=
r>
> <br>
> Hello to everyone.<br>
> <br>
> I'm trying to install FreeBSD 14 natively on my ARM Chromebook mod=
el xe303c12 ; I've found only one tutorial that teaches how to do that,=
that's it :<br>
> <br>
> <a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook</a><br>
> <br>
> The problem is that it ends with the installation of FreeBSD 11,that&#=
39;s very EOL.<br>
> I can't use it as is. I need to upgrade it to 14 (but I'm on a=
rm 32 bit,that's TIER-2,so I can't upgrade it automatically using t=
he freebsd-update script. It is also true that I can't install 14 direc=
tly on that machine,as you can read below :<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <unnamed.png><br>
> <br>
> I've looked all around and I found the tool pkgbase,that I'm t=
alking about on the FreeBSD forum,to understand if it allows the 11 to be u=
sable or upgradable. It does not seem to be the proper tool to achieve my g=
oal. Do you have any suggestions that can help me ? Thanks.<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Mario.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
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On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last =
cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is =
not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99=
s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM =
Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from =
=E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and =
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use =
it as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without =
crashes. But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work =
for you. So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? =
You know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that =
you can keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that =
someone can compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old =
system,removing ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. =
And I'm not the only one that thinks like this.
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is =
stopping you, but:
- You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in =
git, you can. The scripts for building the release images are right =
there in the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and =
go.
- You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree =
will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an =
older checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you. =20
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost =
certainly *will* have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly =
advises you not to do this and not to blame us when you install =
known-insecure software and end up compromised.
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining =
things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported =
lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, =
you=E2=80=99re welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old =
branches and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on =
them. If you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have =
deep pockets) then there are probably a few companies that will happily =
take your money.
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not =
totally unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the =
CDN, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, =
philosophically, I think making it easy for users to install =
known-insecure software is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package =
repo with out-of-date packages online indefinitely then you can. You =
can run Poudriere and even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud =
machine quite easily.
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would =
guess that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 =
on a cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the =
results for a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If =
you think this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely =
welcome to spend your own money on doing it.
David
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Hello!
With FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE I have this (quite old) network interface,
which is embedded in the motherboard:
nfe0@pci0:0:15:0: class=3D0x020000 rev=3D0xa2 hdr=3D0x00 vendor=3D0x=
10de device=3D0x07dc subvendor=3D0x1734 subdevice=3D0x115b
vendor =3D 'NVIDIA Corporation'
device =3D 'MCP73 Ethernet'
class =3D network
subclass =3D ethernet
bar [10] =3D type Memory, range 32, base 0xfe22a000, size 4096, enab=
led
bar [14] =3D type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x30e8, size 8, enabled
bar [18] =3D type Memory, range 32, base 0xfe229000, size 256, enabl=
ed
bar [1c] =3D type Memory, range 32, base 0xfe228000, size 16, enable=
d
cap 01[44] =3D powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0
=46rom the dmesg:
nfe0: <NVIDIA nForce MCP73 Networking Adapter> port 0x30e8-0x30ef mem 0xfe=
22a000-0xfe22afff,0xfe229000-0xfe2290ff,0xfe228000-0xfe22800f irq 21 at de=
vice 15.0 on pci0
miibus0: <MII bus> on nfe0
rgephy0: <RTL8169S/8110S/8211 1000BASE-T media interface> PHY 1 on miibus0
rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100base=
TX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 10=
00baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, a=
uto-flow
nfe0: Ethernet address: ...
It performed normally for several days and across several reboots. Then,
without applying any modification to the configuration, the system was
physically powered down and booted again: the network card did no more
work. After another reboot, nothing changed.
The two LEDs in the Ethernet socket are active: the orange one is fixed,
the green one blinks every now and then (not so often). After physically
disconnecting and reconnecting the Ethernet cable, nothing changed.
The host can not ping the LAN and can not receive ping. All the network
settings (which worked till some minutes before) are ok, including
`ifconfig', where it is `UP', 1000BaseT; routes and /etc/resolv.conf
are OK.
The only relevant information is maybe at the end of the dmesg, where
after some minutes this sequence has been printed several times:
nfe0: watchdog timeout
nfe0: link state changed to DOWN
nfe0: link state changed to UP
but even when `link state changed to UP' the interface does not work.
Is there anything that can be done from the OS, or is it a hardware issue?
Bye!
Rocky
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Hello.
Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or
you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount
of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise.
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.or=
g> wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>
> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is n=
ot
> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s =
19 years old and has been largely
> dead for several years.
>
> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>
> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from
> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>
> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and
> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it
> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.
> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can
> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can
> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removin=
g
> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the onl=
y
> one that thinks like this.
>
> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
> stopping you, but:
>
> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git,
> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in
> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>
> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree wil=
l
> not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an older
> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you.
>
> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainl=
y *will*
> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to d=
o
> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and end
> up compromised.
>
> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining
> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you want
> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then the=
re
> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>
> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not =
totally
> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs the
> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so thi=
s
> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophically=
, I think
> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad idea
> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile
> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>
> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would g=
uess that
> you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a cloud
> VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for a smal=
l number
> of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an importan=
t
> thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own money on
> doing it.
>
> David
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have deleted f=
orever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored=
in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money ? If yes,wh=
ere ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. <br></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 1=
5, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@fr=
eebsd.org">theraven@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008=
@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 12:53:03 -0800
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Subject: Re: How to upgrade an EOL FreeBSD release or how to make it working again
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This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard of NetBSD.
https://www.netbsd.org
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFAM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.o=
rg>
wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>
> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is n=
ot
> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s =
19 years old and has been largely
> dead for several years.
>
> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>
> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from
> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>
> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and
> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it
> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.
> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can
> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can
> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removin=
g
> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the onl=
y
> one that thinks like this.
>
> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
> stopping you, but:
>
> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git,
> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in
> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>
> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree wil=
l
> not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an older
> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you.
>
> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainl=
y *will*
> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to d=
o
> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and end
> up compromised.
>
> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining
> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you want
> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then the=
re
> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>
> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not =
totally
> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs the
> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so thi=
s
> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophically=
, I think
> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad idea
> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile
> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>
> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would g=
uess that
> you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a cloud
> VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for a smal=
l number
> of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an importan=
t
> thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own money on
> doing it.
>
> David
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard of NetB=
SD.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.netbsd.org">https://www=
.netbsd.org</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFAM David Chi=
snall <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@freebsd.org">theraven@freebsd.org</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-colo=
r:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Mariet=
to <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto=
2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Pa=
ul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.paul=
beard.org/</a><br></div>
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wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11
> or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small
> amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my
> expertise.
>
>
ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/
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e deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep =
them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money =
? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. </div></div>=
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From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:38:39 +0100
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Subject: Re: How to upgrade an EOL FreeBSD release or how to make it working again
To: paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com>
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What is NetBSD for ?
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 9:53=E2=80=AFPM paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard of NetBSD.
>
> https://www.netbsd.org
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFAM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd=
.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>>
>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is =
not
>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s=
19 years old and has been largely
>> dead for several years.
>>
>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>>
>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from
>> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>>
>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and
>> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use i=
t
>> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.
>> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
>> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
>> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you ca=
n
>> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can
>> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removi=
ng
>> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the on=
ly
>> one that thinks like this.
>>
>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
>> stopping you, but:
>>
>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git=
,
>> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in
>> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>>
>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree
>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an old=
er
>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you=
.
>>
>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certain=
ly *will*
>> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to =
do
>> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and en=
d
>> up compromised.
>>
>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining
>> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
>> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
>> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wan=
t
>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then th=
ere
>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>>
>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not=
totally
>> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs th=
e
>> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so th=
is
>> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophicall=
y, I think
>> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad ide=
a
>> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
>> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile
>> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>>
>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would =
guess
>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a
>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for=
a small
>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an
>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own
>> money on doing it.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">What is NetBSD for ? <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 9:53=E2=
=80=AFPM paul beard <<a href=3D"mailto:paulbeard@gmail.com">paulbeard@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard =
of NetBSD.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.netbsd.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://www.netbsd.org</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 1=
0:16=E2=80=AFAM David Chisnall <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@freebsd.org" =
target=3D"_blank">theraven@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marie=
tto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mariett=
o2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Pa=
ul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.paul=
beard.org/</a><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
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> Just to confirm the FreeBSD-14.0-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img file does
> not boot unless UEFI is enabled on your Virtual Machine or physical
> hardware?
>
> Have you double checked the checksum of the image or images you are using?
>
> Assuming BIOS boot do you know if the device has previously booted
> using GPT or only MBR partition tables?
>
> — Robert
Thank-you Mathew its given me some hope . Seems that I need to be more
diligent and will reread the relnotes and updating notes from 12.4
through to 14.0R
Robert, I think you're right. I installed the 14.0-RELEASE before I
noticed the efi check-box. so yes I suspect a problem with my
14.0Releng build (though I used the same settings for make.conf,
src.conf as I use in 13.2 and 12.4).
However when using a FreeBSD(32bit) virtual machine using
FreeBSD-14.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso as the only attached device:
a) with efi checked - boots to an EFI interface (startup.nsh) and
exit(s) into another interface to "Standard English"... "Continue" loops
back to UEFI shell. I lack the knowledge about efi to get the FreeBSD
OS to start.
b) without efi checked - "FATAL: Cound not read from the boot medium!
System halted".
FYI: My original problem: I built from source 14.0Releng and upgraded
the 14.0Release without success. I've also used two other vdi's without
success. The upgrade used the git pull from 14.0Releng on a 13.2S
system as I'm hoping to migrate my fleet of 12.4S systems to 14 and
figured that 13.2S was a safe build platform (as it also used clang
16.0.6). I suspect something that I'm doing is at fault. Unfortunately
the 6 other 12.4S and one 13.2 VM's are functioning so I doubt its the
Windows/Virtualbox, which points to my build/install. Investigating
further.
I appreciate your advice.
Kind regards, Dewayne.
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NetBSD runs on almost everything up to a Dyson vacuum=E2=80=A6take a look, =
there is
an ARM flavor supported there. It will feel familiar, I expect. But to an
earlier poster's point, that is pretty old hardware. I bow to no one in my
enthusiasm for keeping obsolete hardware running, but a chromebook might be
too little reward for the effort needed.
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:06=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.=
com>
wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> Do you know for sure if I can install NetBSD on my Google / Samsung / Arm
> / Chromebook ?
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:38=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gma=
il.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What is NetBSD for ?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 9:53=E2=80=AFPM paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com>=
wrote:
>>
>>> This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard of NetBSD.
>>>
>>> https://www.netbsd.org
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=AFAM David Chisnall <theraven@freeb=
sd.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>>>>
>>>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The las=
t
>>>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This i=
s not
>>>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=
=99s 19 years old and has been largely
>>>> dead for several years.
>>>>
>>>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
>>>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question
>>>> from =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported versi=
on?'
>>>>
>>>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD
>>>> and Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can=
use
>>>> it as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without
>>>> crashes. But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will wo=
rk
>>>> for you. So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports=
?
>>>> You know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that =
you
>>>> can keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someo=
ne
>>>> can compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old
>>>> system,removing ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. =
And
>>>> I'm not the only one that thinks like this.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one i=
s
>>>> stopping you, but:
>>>>
>>>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in
>>>> git, you can. The scripts for building the release images are right t=
here
>>>> in the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>>>>
>>>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree
>>>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder
>>>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for y=
ou.
>>>>
>>>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certa=
inly
>>>> *will* have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises yo=
u not
>>>> to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwar=
e and
>>>> end up compromised.
>>>>
>>>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep
>>>> maintaining things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year
>>>> supported lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain=
it,
>>>> you=E2=80=99re welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old =
branches and
>>>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you w=
ant
>>>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then =
there
>>>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>>>>
>>>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s n=
ot
>>>> totally unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space an=
d
>>>> costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across th=
e
>>>> CDN, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free,
>>>> philosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-ins=
ecure
>>>> software is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with
>>>> out-of-date packages online indefinitely then you can. You can run
>>>> Poudriere and even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine qui=
te
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I woul=
d guess
>>>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on =
a
>>>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results f=
or a small
>>>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is a=
n
>>>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your o=
wn
>>>> money on doing it.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mario.
>>
>
>
> --
> Mario.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">NetBSD runs on almost everything=C2=A0up to a Dyson vacuum=
=E2=80=A6take a look, there is an ARM flavor supported there. It will feel =
familiar, I expect. But to an earlier=C2=A0poster's point, that is pret=
ty old hardware. I bow to no one in my enthusiasm=C2=A0for keeping obsolete=
=C2=A0hardware running, but a chromebook might be too little reward for the=
effort needed.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:06=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto=
<<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello Paul,</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Do you know for sure if I can install NetBSD on my Goog=
le / Samsung / Arm / Chromebook ? <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:38=
=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1=
px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">What is NetBSD for ? <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 9:53=
=E2=80=AFPM paul beard <<a href=3D"mailto:paulbeard@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">paulbeard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">This is usually where someone asks if OP has heard of NetBSD.=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.netbsd.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://www.netbsd.org</a><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:16=E2=80=
=AFAM David Chisnall <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@freebsd.org" target=3D"=
_blank">theraven@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15=
Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Pa=
ul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.paul=
beard.org/</a><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Pa=
ul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.paul=
beard.org/</a><br></div>
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Old packages are not retained after EOL, but ports are version agnostic
(more or less, as the current ports tree is only ar tested to run on
supported versions and some are marked as "BROKEN" for some versions). All
ports are available from the GIT repo (cgit.freebsd.org).
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail=
.com>
wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11
> or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small
> amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my
> expertise.
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.=
org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>>
>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is =
not
>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s=
19 years old and has been largely
>> dead for several years.
>>
>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>>
>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from
>> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>>
>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and
>> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use i=
t
>> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.
>> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
>> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
>> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you ca=
n
>> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can
>> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removi=
ng
>> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the on=
ly
>> one that thinks like this.
>>
>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
>> stopping you, but:
>>
>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git=
,
>> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in
>> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>>
>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree
>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an old=
er
>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you=
.
>>
>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certain=
ly *will*
>> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to =
do
>> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and en=
d
>> up compromised.
>>
>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining
>> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
>> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
>> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wan=
t
>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then th=
ere
>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>>
>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not=
totally
>> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs th=
e
>> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so th=
is
>> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophicall=
y, I think
>> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad ide=
a
>> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
>> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile
>> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>>
>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would =
guess
>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a
>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for=
a small
>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an
>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own
>> money on doing it.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mario.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">Old packages are not retained after EOL, but por=
ts are version agnostic (more or less, as the current ports tree is only ar=
tested to run on supported versions and some are marked as "BROKEN&qu=
ot; for some versions). All ports are available from the GIT repo (<a href=
=3D"http://cgit.freebsd.org">cgit.freebsd.org</a>).<br></div></div><br><div=
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15=
, 2024 at 10:49=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto200=
8@gmail.com">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for=
FreeBSD 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for =
a small amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my=
expertise. <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnal=
l <<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@freebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">theraven@fr=
eebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:m=
arietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wro=
te:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
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On 2024-01-15 14:27, Dewayne Geraghty wrote:
> Thank-you Mathew its given me some hope . Seems that I need to be more
> diligent and will reread the relnotes and updating notes from 12.4
> through to 14.0R
>
> Robert, I think you're right. I installed the 14.0-RELEASE before I
> noticed the efi check-box. so yes I suspect a problem with my
> 14.0Releng build (though I used the same settings for make.conf,
> src.conf as I use in 13.2 and 12.4).
>
> However when using a FreeBSD(32bit) virtual machine using
> FreeBSD-14.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso as the only attached device:
>
> a) with efi checked - boots to an EFI interface (startup.nsh) and
> exit(s) into another interface to "Standard English"... "Continue"
> loops back to UEFI shell. I lack the knowledge about efi to get the
> FreeBSD OS to start.
To get a UEFI system to boot, you need a EFI system partition. This is a
FAT32 partition on your disk of about 100-1000 MB, which contains the
.efi files to boot.
FreeBSD is the easiest OS to boot on UEFI. The loader.efi file is enough
to get FreeBSD loaded.
I no longer daily-drive FreeBSD, but I can boot FreeBSD 14 just fine in
a virtual machine in BIOS mode. Both VirtualBox on Fedora 39 and KVM on
Rocky Linux 9.
> FYI: My original problem: I built from source 14.0Releng and upgraded
> the 14.0Release without success. I've also used two other vdi's
> without success. The upgrade used the git pull from 14.0Releng on a
> 13.2S system as I'm hoping to migrate my fleet of 12.4S systems to 14
> and figured that 13.2S was a safe build platform (as it also used clang
> 16.0.6). I suspect something that I'm doing is at fault. Unfortunately
> the 6 other 12.4S and one 13.2 VM's are functioning so I doubt its the
> Windows/Virtualbox, which points to my build/install. Investigating
> further.
Maybe just use 14 to build 14 instead of 13.2?
If you're building on Windows, you could also try using Hyper-V if
you're not using a Home edition. Alternatively you could buy Parallels
or build on a Linux PC with KVM.
> I appreciate your advice.
>
> Kind regards, Dewayne.
No problem,
Neel
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I am getting stuck installing /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.
```
--- imagickdraw_class.lo ---
clang -I. -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
-I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include
-I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main
-I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
-I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main
-I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend
-I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib -isystem
/usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-strong
-isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE
-DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=3D1 -c
/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_class=
.c
-MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo -fPIC -DPIC -o
.libs/imagickdraw_class.o
--- imagick_file.lo ---
In file included from
/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_file.c:22=
:
In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:
./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h' file not
found
# include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>
^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
```
root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find /usr/local/include/
-name MagickWand.h`
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56
/usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h
Not sure why the file it's not being found.
--=20
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I am getting stuck installing=C2=A0/usr/ports/graphics/pec=
l-imagick.<div><br></div><div>```</div><div>--- imagickdraw_class.lo ---<br=
>=C2=A0clang -I. -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.=
0 -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include -I/us=
r/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main -I/usr/ports/gr=
aphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0 -I/usr/local/include/php -I/us=
r/local/include/php/main -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include=
/php/Zend -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/li=
b -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe -fstack-protector-s=
trong -isystem /usr/local/include -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND=
_COMPILE_DL_EXT=3D1 -c /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-=
3.7.0/imagickdraw_class.c -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_cl=
ass.lo =C2=A0-fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o<br>--- imagick_file.l=
o ---<br>In file included from /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/=
imagick-3.7.0/imagick_file.c:22:<br>In file included from ./php_imagick_fil=
e.h:24:<br>./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickW=
and.h' file not found<br># =C2=A0include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>=
;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>=
</div><div>```</div><div><br></div><div>root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-im=
agick # ls -al `find /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`<br>-rw-r--r-- =
=C2=A01 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56 /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/Magic=
kWand/MagickWand.h</div><div><br></div><div>Not sure why the file it's =
not being found.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"=
gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signa=
ture" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 000=
4/+254 7 2274 3223<br>"<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Oh, the cruft.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">",=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px">egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"bac=
kground-color:rgb(34,34,34);color:rgb(238,238,238);font-family:"Lucida=
Console",Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.6px"=
>=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0:=
-)</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">[How to ask smart ques=
tions:=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><a href=3D"http://www.c=
atb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.catb.o=
rg/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a>]</span></div></div></div></div></div>=
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Le 16/01/2024 à 12:10, Odhiambo Washington a écrit :
> I am getting stuck installing /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.
>
> ```
> --- imagickdraw_class.lo ---
> Â clang -I. -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main
> -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend
> -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib
> -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe
> -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include
> -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=1 -c
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_class.c
> -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo  -fPIC -DPIC
> -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o
> --- imagick_file.lo ---
> In file included from
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_file.c:22:
> In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:
> ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h'
> file not found
> # Â include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ```
>
> root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find
> /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`
> -rw-r--r-- Â 1 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56
> /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h
>
> Not sure why the file it's not being found.
>
>
See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=276368 bug is
already corrected
Erwan David
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:40:44 +0300
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:32=E2=80=AFPM Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wro=
te:
> Le 16/01/2024 =C3=A0 12:10, Odhiambo Washington a =C3=A9crit :
> > I am getting stuck installing /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.
> >
> > ```
> > --- imagickdraw_class.lo ---
> > clang -I. -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main
> > -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend
> > -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib
> > -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe
> > -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include
> > -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=3D1 -c
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_cla=
ss.c
>
> > -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo -fPIC -DPIC
> > -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o
> > --- imagick_file.lo ---
> > In file included from
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_file.c:=
22:
> > In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:
> > ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h'
> > file not found
> > # include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>
> > ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ```
> >
> > root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find
> > /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56
> > /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h
> >
> > Not sure why the file it's not being found.
> >
> >
> See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276368 bug is
> already corrected
>
>
> Erwan David
>
Thanks for this quick response.
I run this via cron nightly:
```
git -C /usr/ports pull
```
I have just run it manually and it did pull some updates, but did not solve
my issue.
What should I do?
TIA
--=20
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
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a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
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16/01/2024 =C3=A0 12:10, Odhiambo Washington a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br>
> I am getting stuck installing=C2=A0/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.<b=
r>
><br>
> ```<br>
> --- imagickdraw_class.lo ---<br>
> =C2=A0clang -I. -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-=
3.7.0 <br>
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include <b=
r>
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main <br>
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0 <br>
> -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main <br>
> -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend <br>
> -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib <br=
>
> -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe <br>
> -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include <br>
> -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=3D1 -c <br>
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_=
class.c <br>
> -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo =C2=A0-fPIC -D=
PIC <br>
> -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o<br>
> --- imagick_file.lo ---<br>
> In file included from <br>
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_file=
.c:22:<br>
> In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:<br>
> ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h&=
#39; <br>
> file not found<br>
> # =C2=A0include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h><br>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
> ```<br>
><br>
> root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find <br>
> /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`<br>
> -rw-r--r-- =C2=A01 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56 <br>
> /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h<br>
><br>
> Not sure why the file it's not being found.<br>
><br>
><br>
See <a href=3D"https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276368" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show=
_bug.cgi?id=3D276368</a> bug is <br>
already corrected<br>
<br>
<br>
Erwan David<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div></div></div><div>Thanks for=
this quick response.</div><div>I run this via cron nightly:</div><div><br>=
</div><div>```</div><div>git -C /usr/ports pull<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>```</div><div><br></div><div>I have just run it manually and it did pull =
some updates, but did not solve my issue.</div><div><br></div><div>What sho=
uld I do?</div><div><br></div><div>TIA</div><div><br></div><span class=3D"g=
mail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signat=
ure"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHI=
NGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223<br>"<span st=
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Le 16/01/2024 à 12:40, Odhiambo Washington a écrit :
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:
>
> Le 16/01/2024 à 12:10, Odhiambo Washington a écrit :
> > I am getting stuck installing /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.
> >
> > ```
> > --- imagickdraw_class.lo ---
> > Â clang -I.
> -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/include
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main
> > -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend
> > -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib
> > -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe
> > -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include
> > -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=1 -c
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_class.c
>
> > -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo  -fPIC
> -DPIC
> > -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o
> > --- imagick_file.lo ---
> > In file included from
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_filec:22:
> > In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:
> > ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h'
> > file not found
> > # Â include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>
> > Â Â Â Â Â Â ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ```
> >
> > root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find
> > /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`
> > -rw-r--r-- Â 1 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56
> > /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h
> >
> > Not sure why the file it's not being found.
> >
> >
> See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=276368 bug is
> already corrected
>
>
> Erwan David
>
>
> Thanks for this quick response.
> I run this via cron nightly:
>
> ```
> git -C /usr/ports pull
>
> ```
>
> I have just run it manually and it did pull some updates, but did not
> solve my issue.
>
> What should I do?
>
> TIA
>
I updated my poudriere port source and it worked. Maybe you need to be
on branch "latest" to get it now ?
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Good day,
I'm trying to bootstrap poudriere for package building. My poudriere host is a FreeBSD VM
running under VMware Fusion on Apple Silicon. My package target is arm64/aarch64 binaries.
When I start, I get an error stating that I need `qemu-user-static`. I thought that the
function of qemu was to host cross compiles but I'm under the possibly mistaken impression
that on an Apple Silicon VM, arm64 builds should be native? I'm probably just in need of a
clue.
I'm going to follow the instructions and install qemu but I'm still curious about the
requirement.
Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!
--
Chris
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:32:55AM -0500, Chris Hilton wrote:
> Good day,
>
> I'm trying to bootstrap poudriere for package building. My poudriere host is a FreeBSD VM
> running under VMware Fusion on Apple Silicon. My package target is arm64/aarch64 binaries.
> When I start, I get an error stating that I need `qemu-user-static`. I thought that the
> function of qemu was to host cross compiles but I'm under the possibly mistaken impression
> that on an Apple Silicon VM, arm64 builds should be native? I'm probably just in need of a
> clue.
>
> I'm going to follow the instructions and install qemu but I'm still curious about the
> requirement.
>
> Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!
>
Looks like a I needed a clue. I was using:
`$ poudriere jail -c -j foo-arm64-bootstrap -a arm64 -v 14.0-RELEASE`
I dropped the `-a` option from the `poudriere jail` creation command line and it seems to be
working now.
Thanks all!
--
Chris
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 18:48:42 +0300
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:55=E2=80=AFPM Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wro=
te:
> Le 16/01/2024 =C3=A0 12:40, Odhiambo Washington a =C3=A9crit :
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:32=E2=80=AFPM Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org>=
wrote:
> >
> > Le 16/01/2024 =C3=A0 12:10, Odhiambo Washington a =C3=A9crit :
> > > I am getting stuck installing /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick.
> > >
> > > ```
> > > --- imagickdraw_class.lo ---
> > > clang -I.
> > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/inclu=
de
> > > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/main
> > > -I/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0
> > > -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/php/main
> > > -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/include/php/Zend
> > > -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/include/php/ext/date/li=
b
> > > -isystem /usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -O2 -pipe
> > > -fstack-protector-strong -isystem /usr/local/include
> > > -fno-strict-aliasing -D_GNU_SOURCE -DZEND_COMPILE_DL_EXT=3D1 -c
> > >
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagickdraw_cl=
ass.c
> >
> > > -MMD -MF imagickdraw_class.dep -MT imagickdraw_class.lo -fPIC
> > -DPIC
> > > -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o
> > > --- imagick_file.lo ---
> > > In file included from
> > >
> >
> /usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick-3.7.0/imagick_filec:=
22:
> > > In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:
> > > ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: 'MagickWand/MagickWand.h=
'
> > > file not found
> > > # include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>
> > > ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > ```
> > >
> > > root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls -al `find
> > > /usr/local/include/ -name MagickWand.h`
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3779 Jan 16 13:56
> > > /usr/local/include/ImageMagick-7/MagickWand/MagickWand.h
> > >
> > > Not sure why the file it's not being found.
> > >
> > >
> > See https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D276368 bug =
is
> > already corrected
> >
> >
> > Erwan David
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this quick response.
> > I run this via cron nightly:
> >
> > ```
> > git -C /usr/ports pull
> >
> > ```
> >
> > I have just run it manually and it did pull some updates, but did not
> > solve my issue.
> >
> > What should I do?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> I updated my poudriere port source and it worked. Maybe you need to be
> on branch "latest" to get it now ?
>
That solved it!
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ```<br>
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imagick-3.7.0<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -I/usr/local/include/php -I/usr/local/include/=
php/main<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -I/usr/local/include/php/TSRM -I/usr/local/inc=
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -I/usr/local/include/php/ext -I/usr/local/incl=
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -o .libs/imagickdraw_class.o<br>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick/work-php82/imagick=
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> In file included from ./php_imagick_file.h:24:=
<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ./php_imagick_defs.h:25:12: fatal error: '=
MagickWand/MagickWand.h'<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> file not found<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> # =C2=A0include <MagickWand/MagickWand.h>=
;<br>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> ```<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0><br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> root@gw:/usr/ports/graphics/pecl-imagick # ls =
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I've bought a fresh "128 GB" (marketing GBytes) USB key and it says in
my laptop:
root@c720-1400094:~ # uname -a
FreeBSD c720-1400094 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT amd64 1400094 #2 main-n264568-1d7ffb373c9d-dirty: Wed Sep 6 07:13:22 CEST 2023 guru@jet:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
root@c720-1400094:~ # tail /var/log/messages
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: <Generic Flash Disk 8.01> Removable Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: Serial Number A430786F
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte sectors)
Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2<NO_6_BYTE>
root@c720-1400094:~ # gpart show /dev/da0
=> 63 245759937 da0 MBR (117G)
63 65 - free - (33K)
128 245759872 1 ntfs [active] (117G)
root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /dev/da*
crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1aa 16 ene. 17:50 /dev/da0
crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1ab 16 ene. 17:53 /dev/da0s1
root@c720-1400094:~ # mount_ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt
NTFS signature is missing.
Failed to mount '/dev/da0s1': Invalid argument
The device '/dev/da0s1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
root@c720-1400094:~ # which mount_ntfs-3g
/usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22 9 ene. 2021 /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g -> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
root@c720-1400094:~ # pkg which /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
/usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g was installed by package fusefs-ntfs-2022.10.3
What I do wrong?
Thanks
matthias
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Hi Matthias,
It's probably actually formatted as exFAT, which according to another recen=
t thread seems to share a partition type with NTFS (facepalm).
Reformat it as actually-NTFS and the problem should be solved.
Cheers,
Alex
----------------------------------------
Jan 16, 2024 18:06:00 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>:
>=20
> I've bought a fresh "128 GB" (marketing GBytes) USB key and it says in
> my laptop:
>=20
> root@c720-1400094:~ # uname -a
> FreeBSD c720-1400094 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT amd64 1400094 #2 m=
ain-n264568-1d7ffb373c9d-dirty: Wed Sep=C2=A0 6 07:13:22 CEST 2023=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 guru@jet:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
>=20
> root@c720-1400094:~ # tail /var/log/messages
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 targe=
t 0 lun 0
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: <Generic Flash Disk 8.01> Remov=
able Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: Serial Number A430786F
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte se=
ctors)
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: quirks=3D0x2<NO_6_BYTE>
>=20
> root@c720-1400094:~ # gpart show /dev/da0
> =3D>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 63=C2=A0 245759937=C2=A0 da0=C2=
=A0 MBR=C2=A0 (117G)
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 63=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - free -=
=C2=A0 (33K)
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 128=C2=A0 245759872=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0 ntfs=C2=A0 [active]=C2=A0 (117G)
>=20
> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /dev/da*
> crw-r-----=C2=A0 1 root operator 0x1aa 16 ene.=C2=A0 17:50 /dev/da0
> crw-r-----=C2=A0 1 root operator 0x1ab 16 ene.=C2=A0 17:53 /dev/da0s1
> root@c720-1400094:~ #=C2=A0 mount_ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt
> NTFS signature is missing.
> Failed to mount '/dev/da0s1': Invalid argument
> The device '/dev/da0s1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
>=20
> root@c720-1400094:~ # which mount_ntfs-3g
> /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root wheel 22=C2=A0 9 ene.=C2=A0=C2=A0 2021 /usr/sbin/=
mount_ntfs-3g -> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> root@c720-1400094:~ # pkg which /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g was installed by package fusefs-ntfs-2022.10.3
>=20
>=20
> What I do wrong?
>=20
> Thanks
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El dÃa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 06:53:41p. m. +0100, Alexander Burke escribió:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> It's probably actually formatted as exFAT, which according to another recent thread seems to share a partition type with NTFS (facepalm).
>
> Reformat it as actually-NTFS and the problem should be solved.
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
Hi Alexander,
Yes, it is exFAT (and not NTFS) and I had to bake in my poudriere oven the package
fusefs-exfat. After installing it, the key mounts fine and I'm testing the
space with f3write:
$ f3write /mnt/f3
F3 write 8.0
Copyright (C) 2010 Digirati Internet LTDA.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
Free space: 117.18 GB
Creating file 1.h2w ... OK!
Creating file 2.h2w ... OK!
...
Magically the 128 GB (in big marketing letters) changed to ~117 GB :-)
Thanks anyway
matthias
> Jan 16, 2024 18:06:00 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>:
>
> >
> > I've bought a fresh "128 GB" (marketing GBytes) USB key and it says in
> > my laptop:
> >
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # uname -a
> > FreeBSD c720-1400094 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT amd64 1400094 #2 main-n264568-1d7ffb373c9d-dirty: Wed Sep 6 07:13:22 CEST 2023    guru@jet:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
> >
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # tail /var/log/messages
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: <Generic Flash Disk 8.01> Removable Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: Serial Number A430786F
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte sectors)
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2<NO_6_BYTE>
> >
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # gpart show /dev/da0
> > =>Â Â Â Â Â Â 63Â 245759937Â da0Â MBRÂ (117G)
> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 63Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 65Â Â Â Â Â Â - free -Â (33K)
> >        128 245759872   1 ntfs [active] (117G)
> >
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /dev/da*
> > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1aa 16 ene. 17:50 /dev/da0
> > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1ab 16 ene. 17:53 /dev/da0s1
> > root@c720-1400094:~ #Â mount_ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt
> > NTFS signature is missing.
> > Failed to mount '/dev/da0s1': Invalid argument
> > The device '/dev/da0s1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
> > Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
> > partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
> >
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # which mount_ntfs-3g
> > /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22 9 ene.  2021 /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g -> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> > root@c720-1400094:~ # pkg which /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> > /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g was installed by package fusefs-ntfs-2022.10.3
> >
> >
> > What I do wrong?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Â Â Â matthias
> > --
> > Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045
> > Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub
> >
> > I am not at war with Russia.
> > Я не воюю Ñ Ð Ð¾ÑÑией.
> > Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
--
Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045
Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub
I am not at war with Russia.
Я не воюю Ñ Ð Ð¾ÑÑией.
Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
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On 11/01/2024 06:03, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 4:28 AM Ed Maste wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 07:27, xpetrl wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>> This is completely OT.
>>> I noticed that at FOSDEM 2024, BSD has no DevRoom and no Stand.
>>> It really surprising not seeing BSD, because for the past 15th edition
>>> BSD had a DevRoom and some Stands.
>>> Do somebody know what appends, is BSD loosing interest in FOSDEM?
>>
>> Only the FOSDEM organizers know - a BSD devroom and stands were
>> requested, but none were accepted.
>
> :-( :-( :-(
>
> --
> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>
OK, good, we can't do nothing, unfortunately.
Is somebody of this list going to Brussel?
Why not just met at FOSDEM for a short beer at Cafeteria?
It's free as in beer ;)
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Hi Matthias,
They meant 128 GiB, but somehow the `i` tends to avoid the printing process=
. Wikipedia blames the IEC for this disparity, but I call it cheating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte#Definition
badblocks(8) might also interest you; I usually invoke it as `badblocks -fs=
vw -b 4096 /dev/whatever`. Many Linux distros ship it as well, which is han=
dy.
Cheers,
Alex
----------------------------------------
Jan 16, 2024 19:36:21 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>:
> El d=C3=ADa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 06:53:41p. m. +0100, Alexander B=
urke escribi=C3=B3:
>=20
>> Hi Matthias,
>>=20
>> It's probably actually formatted as exFAT, which according to another re=
cent thread seems to share a partition type with NTFS (facepalm).
>>=20
>> Reformat it as actually-NTFS and the problem should be solved.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Alex
>=20
> Hi Alexander,
>=20
> Yes, it is exFAT (and not NTFS) and I had to bake in my poudriere oven th=
e package
> fusefs-exfat. After installing it, the key mounts fine and I'm testing th=
e
> space with f3write:
>=20
> $ f3write /mnt/f3
> F3 write 8.0
> Copyright (C) 2010 Digirati Internet LTDA.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
>=20
> Free space: 117.18 GB
> Creating file 1.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 2.h2w ... OK!
> ...
>=20
> Magically the 128 GB (in big marketing letters) changed to ~117 GB :-)
>=20
> Thanks anyway
>=20
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 matthias
>=20
>=20
>> Jan 16, 2024 18:06:00 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I've bought a fresh "128 GB" (marketing GBytes) USB key and it says in
>>> my laptop:
>>>=20
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # uname -a
>>> FreeBSD c720-1400094 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT amd64 1400094 #2=
main-n264568-1d7ffb373c9d-dirty: Wed Sep=C2=A0 6 07:13:22 CEST 2023=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 guru@jet:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
>>>=20
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # tail /var/log/messages
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 tar=
get 0 lun 0
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: <Generic Flash Disk 8.01> Rem=
ovable Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: Serial Number A430786F
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte =
sectors)
>>> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: quirks=3D0x2<NO_6_BYTE>
>>>=20
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # gpart show /dev/da0
>>> =3D>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 63=C2=A0 245759937=C2=A0 da0=
=C2=A0 MBR=C2=A0 (117G)
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 63=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - fre=
e -=C2=A0 (33K)
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 128=C2=A0 245759872=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 1=C2=A0 ntfs=C2=A0 [active]=C2=A0 (117G)
>>>=20
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /dev/da*
>>> crw-r-----=C2=A0 1 root operator 0x1aa 16 ene.=C2=A0 17:50 /dev/da0
>>> crw-r-----=C2=A0 1 root operator 0x1ab 16 ene.=C2=A0 17:53 /dev/da0s1
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ #=C2=A0 mount_ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt
>>> NTFS signature is missing.
>>> Failed to mount '/dev/da0s1': Invalid argument
>>> The device '/dev/da0s1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
>>> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
>>> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
>>>=20
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # which mount_ntfs-3g
>>> /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
>>> lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root wheel 22=C2=A0 9 ene.=C2=A0=C2=A0 2021 /usr/sbi=
n/mount_ntfs-3g -> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
>>> root@c720-1400094:~ # pkg which /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
>>> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g was installed by package fusefs-ntfs-2022.10.3
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> What I do wrong?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>>=20
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 matthias
>>> --=20
>>> Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49=
-176-38902045
>>> Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub
>>>=20
>>> I am not at war with Russia.
>>> =D0=AF =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=8E=D1=8E =D1=81 =D0=A0=D0=BE=D1=81=
=D1=81=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=B9.
>>> Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
>=20
> --=20
> Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-1=
76-38902045
> Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub
>=20
> I am not at war with Russia.
> =D0=AF =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=8E=D1=8E =D1=81 =D0=A0=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=
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> Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
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On 1/16/24 10:05, Matthias Apitz wrote:
>
> I've bought a fresh "128 GB" (marketing GBytes) USB key and it says in
> my laptop:
>
> root@c720-1400094:~ # uname -a
> FreeBSD c720-1400094 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT amd64 1400094 #2 main-n264568-1d7ffb373c9d-dirty: Wed Sep 6 07:13:22 CEST 2023 guru@jet:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
>
> root@c720-1400094:~ # tail /var/log/messages
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: <Generic Flash Disk 8.01> Removable Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: Serial Number A430786F
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte sectors)
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: quirks=0x2<NO_6_BYTE>
>
> root@c720-1400094:~ # gpart show /dev/da0
> => 63 245759937 da0 MBR (117G)
> 63 65 - free - (33K)
> 128 245759872 1 ntfs [active] (117G)
>
> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /dev/da*
> crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1aa 16 ene. 17:50 /dev/da0
> crw-r----- 1 root operator 0x1ab 16 ene. 17:53 /dev/da0s1
> root@c720-1400094:~ # mount_ntfs-3g /dev/da0s1 /mnt
> NTFS signature is missing.
> Failed to mount '/dev/da0s1': Invalid argument
> The device '/dev/da0s1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS.
> Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a
> partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around?
>
> root@c720-1400094:~ # which mount_ntfs-3g
> /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> root@c720-1400094:~ # ls -l /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g
> lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 22 9 ene. 2021 /usr/sbin/mount_ntfs-3g -> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> root@c720-1400094:~ # pkg which /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g
> /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g was installed by package fusefs-ntfs-2022.10.3
>
>
> What I do wrong?
As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS. Since
you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
reformat a new one in the future, use mount.exfat. manpage is
man mount.exfat-fuse
Gary
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El dÃa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 05:01:54 -0700, Gary Aitken escribió:
> ...
> As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS. Since
> you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
> reformat a new one in the future, use mount.exfat. manpage is
> man mount.exfat-fuse
>
I haven't reformatted the key. I compiled the port sysutils/fusefs-exfat
on my poudriere server, installed it and could mount the key fine.
I used f3write (from the ports) to check the capacity by writing
117 files of 1 GByte and to check the write performance which is very poor.
[guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ mkdir /mnt/f3
[guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ f3write /mnt/f3
...
Creating file 115.h2w ... OK!
Creating file 116.h2w ... OK!
Creating file 117.h2w ... OK!
Creating file 118.h2w ... Write failure: Input/output error
WARNING:
The write error above may be due to your memory card overheating
under constant, maximum write rate. You can test this hypothesis
touching your memory card. If it is hot, you can try f3write
again, once your card has cooled down, using parameter --max-write-rate=2048
to limit the maximum write rate to 2MB/s, or another suitable rate.
Free space: 0.00 Byte
Average writing speed: 9.27 MB/s
[guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ df -kh /mnt/f3
Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/da0s1 117G 117G 0B 100% /mnt
matthias
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Hi Matthias,
Sorry to hear about the flash drive's slow write rate. May I suggest this m=
odel specifically?
https://www.westerndigital.com/products/usb-flash-drives/sandisk-ultra-dual=
-drive-luxe-usb-3-1-type-c?sku=3DSDDDC4-128G-G46
The read and write rates are great _and_ it supports TRIM via blkdiscard(8)=
, which is great for wiping it quickly between uses without the excessive t=
ime or flash wear of manually wiping it via dd:
https://man.archlinux.org/man/blkdiscard.8
I own several of them, of various capacities, and am very happy with them. =
You can find them on Amazon as well as many other places, and I haven't eve=
r gotten a counterfeit. (The laser engraving on them is harder to duplicate=
, too, I suppose.)
They come with some Windows and Android binaries preinstalled, but mkfs (or=
blkdiscard!) takes care of that quickly.
Cheers,
Alex
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Jan 17, 2024 07:16:42 Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>:
> El d=C3=ADa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 05:01:54 -0700, Gary Aitken escr=
ibi=C3=B3:
>=20
>> ...
>> As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS.=C2=A0 Since
>> you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
>> reformat a new one in the future, use mount.exfat.=C2=A0 manpage is
>> man mount.exfat-fuse
>>=20
>=20
> I haven't reformatted the key. I compiled the port sysutils/fusefs-exfat
> on my poudriere server, installed it and could mount the key fine.
> I used f3write (from the ports) to check the capacity by writing
> 117 files of 1 GByte and to check the write performance which is very poo=
r.
>=20
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ mkdir=C2=A0=C2=A0 /mnt/f3
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ f3write /mnt/f3
> ..
> Creating file 115.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 116.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 117.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 118.h2w ... Write failure: Input/output error
>=20
> WARNING:
> The write error above may be due to your memory card overheating
> under constant, maximum write rate. You can test this hypothesis
> touching your memory card. If it is hot, you can try f3write
> again, once your card has cooled down, using parameter --max-write-rate=
=3D2048
> to limit the maximum write rate to 2MB/s, or another suitable rate.
>=20
> Free space: 0.00 Byte
> Average writing speed: 9.27 MB/s
>=20
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ df -kh /mnt/f3
> Filesystem=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Size=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Used=C2=A0=C2=A0 Avai=
l Capacity=C2=A0 Mounted on
> /dev/da0s1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 117G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 117G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0B=C2=A0=C2=A0 100%=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 /mnt
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> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 matthias
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Rocky Hotas:
> With FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE I have this (quite old) network interface,
> which is embedded in the motherboard:
>
> nfe0@pci0:0:15:0: class=3D0x020000 rev=3D0xa2 hdr=3D0x00 vendor=3D0=
x10de device=3D0x07dc subvendor=3D0x1734 subdevice=3D0x115b
=20
> It performed normally for several days and across several reboots. Then,
> without applying any modification to the configuration, the system was
> physically powered down and booted again: the network card did no more
> work. After another reboot, nothing changed.
[...]
> Is there anything that can be done from the OS, or is it a hardware issue?
according to the nfe(4) manual page, it supports the hw.nfe.msix_disable
and hw.nfe.msi_disable loader tunables. i don't know anything about
nfe(4) specifically, but some other network cards (such as alc(4)) have
issues with MSI or MSI-X enabled, so it might be worth turning those off
in /boot/loader.conf to see if that makes any difference.
for example:
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> Subject: Re: Network interface not working: watchdog timeout error
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> [...] some other network cards (such as alc(4)) have
> issues with MSI or MSI-X enabled, so it might be worth turning those off
> in /boot/loader.conf to see if that makes any difference.
Thank you! After some other reboots (and no other modifications), now the
interface unexpectedly works as before. But if the problem will show up
again, I will try with your suggestion.
Rocky
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:05:07PM +0100, Alexander Burke wrote:
>
> They meant 128 GiB, but somehow the `i` tends to avoid the printing process Wikipedia blames the IEC for this disparity, but I call it cheating.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte#Definition
>
Hi,
it's the other way round: for storage, manufactures generally use a
conversion factor of 1000, which doesn't have the "i" in the unit. The
"i" denotes a conversion factor of 1024, which leads to smaller
numbers. However, omitting the "i" when using 1024 is also very
common.
The wikipedia article you linked has a little bit further down the
following passage: "This means that a 300 GB (279 GiB) hard disk might
be indicated variously as "300 GB", "279 GB" or "279 GiB", depending
on the operating system."
Best regards,
Daniel
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Hi Daniel,
Right you are! To me there is only one GB (1,073,741,824 bytes) and I try my hardest to avoid other definitions of the term... and it shows. ;)
Cheers,
Alex
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Jan 17, 2024 14:40:25 Daniel Tameling <tamelingdaniel@gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:05:07PM +0100, Alexander Burke wrote:
>>
>> They meant 128 GiB, but somehow the `i` tends to avoid the printing process Wikipedia blames the IEC for this disparity, but I call it cheating.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte#Definition
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> it's the other way round: for storage, manufactures generally use a
> conversion factor of 1000, which doesn't have the "i" in the unit. The
> "i" denotes a conversion factor of 1024, which leads to smaller
> numbers. However, omitting the "i" when using 1024 is also very
> common.
>
> The wikipedia article you linked has a little bit further down the
> following passage: "This means that a 300 GB (279 GiB) hard disk might
> be indicated variously as "300 GB", "279 GB" or "279 GiB", depending
> on the operating system."
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
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El dÃa miércoles, enero 17, 2024 a las 07:16:27a. m. +0100, Matthias Apitz escribió:
> El dÃa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 05:01:54 -0700, Gary Aitken escribió:
>
> > ...
> > As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS. Since
> > you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
> > reformat a new one in the future, use mount.exfat. manpage is
> > man mount.exfat-fuse
> >
>
> I haven't reformatted the key. I compiled the port sysutils/fusefs-exfat
> on my poudriere server, installed it and could mount the key fine.
> I used f3write (from the ports) to check the capacity by writing
> 117 files of 1 GByte and to check the write performance which is very poor.
>
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ mkdir /mnt/f3
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ f3write /mnt/f3
> ..
> Creating file 115.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 116.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 117.h2w ... OK!
> Creating file 118.h2w ... Write failure: Input/output error
>
> WARNING:
> The write error above may be due to your memory card overheating
> under constant, maximum write rate. You can test this hypothesis
> touching your memory card. If it is hot, you can try f3write
> again, once your card has cooled down, using parameter --max-write-rate=2048
> to limit the maximum write rate to 2MB/s, or another suitable rate.
>
> Free space: 0.00 Byte
> Average writing speed: 9.27 MB/s
Today I checked with f3read the written files:
$ f3read /mnt/f3
...
Validating file 116.h2w ... 2097152/ 0/ 0/ 0
Validating file 117.h2w ... 2097152/ 0/ 0/ 0
Validating file 118.h2w ... 373049/ 0/ 0/ 0
Data OK: 117.18 GB (245739833 sectors)
Data LOST: 0.00 Byte (0 sectors)
Corrupted: 0.00 Byte (0 sectors)
Slightly changed: 0.00 Byte (0 sectors)
Overwritten: 0.00 Byte (0 sectors)
Average reading speed: 27.88 MB/s
matthias
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Hello to everyone.
I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files that have been
included on the FreeBSD 11
revision 269385 to the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled
correctly world,but when it
starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option"
errors. Is there a way to fix them ?
# svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken
from this tutorial :
https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
# svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300
# cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf
# cd ./head-373300
# make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne=
l
I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW
buildworld buildkernel,but it
didn't make any difference.
.....
.....
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
>>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
--------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1"
line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1"
line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 202=
4
--------------------------------------------------------------
=3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
--------------------------------------------------------------
cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf;
PATH=3D/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome=
book/head-373300/arm.armv
7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm=
v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u=
sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/=
zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h=
ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d
/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I
'/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a
rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf'
'/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.
./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option
"IPI_IRQ_END" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"
and so on...
these options are included inside the file "std.exynos5250" (that I
have copied from the old to the new
source code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment
the offending lines :
nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exynos/std.exynos5250 :
#options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0
#options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15
#options ARM_L2_PIPT
but I suspect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments I
will make,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ...
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.=
com>
wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11
> or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small
> amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my
> expertise.
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.=
org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>>
>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is =
not
>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99s=
19 years old and has been largely
>> dead for several years.
>>
>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>>
>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question from
>> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>>
>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and
>> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use i=
t
>> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.
>> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
>> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
>> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you ca=
n
>> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can
>> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removi=
ng
>> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the on=
ly
>> one that thinks like this.
>>
>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
>> stopping you, but:
>>
>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in git=
,
>> you can. The scripts for building the release images are right there in
>> the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>>
>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree
>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an old=
er
>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for you=
.
>>
>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certain=
ly *will*
>> have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you not to =
do
>> this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software and en=
d
>> up compromised.
>>
>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining
>> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
>> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
>> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wan=
t
>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then th=
ere
>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>>
>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not=
totally
>> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs th=
e
>> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so th=
is
>> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophicall=
y, I think
>> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad ide=
a
>> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
>> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compile
>> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>>
>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would =
guess
>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a
>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results for=
a small
>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an
>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your own
>> money on doing it.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mario.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><pre dir=3D"ltr"><code>Hello to ever=
yone.<br><br>I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files =
that have been included on the FreeBSD 11 <br>revision 269385 to the new Fr=
eeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled correctly world,but when it<br>st=
arts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option" err=
ors. Is there a way to fix them ? <br><br></code></pre><pre><code># svn co =
<a href=3D"http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385</a> ./head-269385 ; taken from this tuto=
rial :<br><br></code><a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook">ht=
tps://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook</a><br><code>
# svn co <a href=3D"http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://svn.freebsd.org/base/head</a> ./head-373300
# cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf
# cd ./head-373300
# make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne=
l<br><br>I tried also with : </code><code>make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=
=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkernel</code><code>,but it <br>didn'=
t make any difference.
<br></code></pre><pre><code>.....
.....
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
>>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
--------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:0=
4 CET 2024
--------------------------------------------------------------
=3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
--------------------------------------------------------------
cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf; PATH=3D/usr/=
obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome=
book/head-373300/arm.armv
7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm=
v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u=
sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/=
zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h=
ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/mnt/=
zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS=
/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a
rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/c=
onf' '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.
</code><br>
./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_EN=
D" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"<br></pre><pre>and so on..=
.<br><br></pre><pre>these options are included inside the file "std.ex=
ynos5250" (that I have copied from the old to the new<br></pre><pre>so=
urce code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the=
offending lines :<br></pre><pre><br>nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exy=
nos/std.exynos5250 :<br>
#options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0<br>#options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15<br>#options =
ARM_L2_PIPT</pre></div></div><div><br></div><div>but I suspect that a lot=
of options will be missing and the more comments I will make,the more the =
chance that it will not work will increase. ...</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024=
at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail=
.com">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBS=
D 11 or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small=
amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expert=
ise. <br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <=
<a href=3D"mailto:theraven@freebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">theraven@freebsd.=
org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2=
008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
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On 17 January 2024 5:16:27 pm AEDT, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea=2Ede> wro=
te:
> El d=C3=ADa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 05:01:54 -0700, Gary Aitken
> escribi=C3=B3:
> > As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS=2E Since
> > you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
> > reformat a new one in the future, use mount=2Eexfat=2E manpage is
> > man mount=2Eexfat-fuse
> I haven't reformatted the key=2E I compiled the port
> sysutils/fusefs-exfat
> on my poudriere server, installed it and could mount the key fine=2E
Another advantage of exFAT is that you can read and write it natively from=
Android phones with an 'OTG' cable=2E
> I used f3write (from the ports) to check the capacity by writing
> 117 files of 1 GByte and to check the write performance which is very
> poor=2E
From=20your first post:
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40=2E000MB/s transfers
> Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte =
sectors)
So either the memstick is only USB2 and/or your port is only USB2; USB3 is=
~10 times faster=2E
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ mkdir /mnt/f3
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ f3write /mnt/f3
> =2E=2E
> Creating file 115=2Eh2w =2E=2E=2E OK!
> Creating file 116=2Eh2w =2E=2E=2E OK!
> Creating file 117=2Eh2w =2E=2E=2E OK!
> Creating file 118=2Eh2w =2E=2E=2E Write failure: Input/output error
>=20
> WARNING:
> The write error above may be due to your memory card overheating
> under constant, maximum write rate=2E You can test this hypothesis
> touching your memory card=2E If it is hot, you can try f3write
> again, once your card has cooled down, using parameter
> --max-write-rate=3D2048
> to limit the maximum write rate to 2MB/s, or another suitable rate=2E
>=20
> Free space: 0=2E00 Byte
> Average writing speed: 9=2E27 MB/s
Looks like it just ran out of space; maybe you haven't accounted for space=
for a) MBR plus, b) the FAT and c) directories? (see dumpexfat below, and =
gpart)=2E
> [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ df -kh /mnt/f3
> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
> /dev/da0s1 117G 117G 0B 100% /mnt
You may also like to install sysutils/exfat-utils, providing exfatfsck(8),=
mkexfatfs(8), dumpexfat(8) and exfatlabel(8)=2E
cheers, Ian
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El dÃa jueves, enero 18, 2024 a las 02:43:23 +1100, Ian Smith escribió:
> On 17 January 2024 5:16:27 pm AEDT, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
> > El dÃa martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 05:01:54 -0700, Gary Aitken
> > escribió:
>
> > > As pointed out by Alexander, it's actually exFAT, not NTFS. Since
> > > you've already reformatted it, you're ok, but if you want to NOT
> > > reformat a new one in the future, use mount.exfat. manpage is
> > > man mount.exfat-fuse
>
> > I haven't reformatted the key. I compiled the port
> > sysutils/fusefs-exfat
> > on my poudriere server, installed it and could mount the key fine.
>
> Another advantage of exFAT is that you can read and write it natively from Android phones with an 'OTG' cable.
I do not have any Android phones, only a Linux phone and the USB key
mounts fine there on plug-in.
> > I used f3write (from the ports) to check the capacity by writing
> > 117 files of 1 GByte and to check the write performance which is very
> > poor.
>
> From your first post:
>
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
> > Jan 16 17:50:52 c720-1400094 kernel: da0: 120000MB (245760000 512 byte sectors)
I checked older /var/log/messages and other external USB disks have
400.000MB/s. So it is not the port of the laptop.
I run on my Linux phone a lsusb command which shows:
$ lsusb -v -d 058f:6387
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Flash Drive
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.10
bDeviceClass 0
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x058f Alcor Micro Corp.
idProduct 0x6387 Flash Drive
bcdDevice 0.02
iManufacturer 1 Generic
iProduct 2 Mass Storage
iSerial 3 A430786F
...
I interpret 'bcdUSB 2.10' as an indicator of USB 2.10. The key is new
and its wrapping says USB 3.0.
>
> So either the memstick is only USB2 and/or your port is only USB2; USB3 is ~10 times faster.
>
> > [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ mkdir /mnt/f3
> > [guru@c720-1400094 ~]$ f3write /mnt/f3
> > ..
> > Creating file 115.h2w ... OK!
> > Creating file 116.h2w ... OK!
> > Creating file 117.h2w ... OK!
> > Creating file 118.h2w ... Write failure: Input/output error
> >
> > WARNING:
> > The write error above may be due to your memory card overheating
> > under constant, maximum write rate. You can test this hypothesis
> > touching your memory card. If it is hot, you can try f3write
> > again, once your card has cooled down, using parameter
> > --max-write-rate=2048
> > to limit the maximum write rate to 2MB/s, or another suitable rate.
> >
> > Free space: 0.00 Byte
> > Average writing speed: 9.27 MB/s
>
> Looks like it just ran out of space; maybe you haven't accounted for space for a) MBR plus, b) the FAT and c) directories? (see dumpexfat below, and gpart).
Yes, it run out of space by intention. The tool f3write writes as much
as chunks of 1 GB until ENOSPC to check how much data really could be
written on the key (a tool against fraude).
Thanks
matthias
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:54=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.=
com>
wrote:
> Hello to everyone.
>
> I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW source files that have been incl=
uded on the FreeBSD 11
> revision 269385 to the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled co=
rrectly world,but when it
> starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown option" errors. I=
s there a way to fix them ?
>
> # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385 ./head-269385 ; taken fr=
om this tutorial :
>
> https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook
>
> # svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ./head-373300
> # cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/con=
f
> # cd ./head-373300
> # make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildker=
nel
>
> I tried also with : make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW b=
uildworld buildkernel,but it
> didn't make any difference.
>
> .....
> .....
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
> >>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" lin=
e 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
> clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
> make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1" lin=
e 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
> ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2=
024
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> =3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
> mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/s=
ys
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf; PATH=3D/us=
r/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
> romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro=
mebook/head-373300/arm.armv
> 7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.a=
rmv7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
> nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:=
/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
> OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot=
2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
> -373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook=
/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
> legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/mn=
t/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
> ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/C=
hromebook/head-373300/sys/a
> rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf' =
'/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
> mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
> WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.
>
> ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_END" =
/ "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"
>
> and so on...
>
> these options are included inside the file "std.exynos5250" (that I have =
copied from the old to the new
>
> source code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the=
offending lines :
>
>
> nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exynos/std.exynos5250 :
>
> #options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0
> #options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15
>
>
These likely require changes to adopt exynos to INTRNG.
> #options ARM_L2_PIPT
>
> This is likely a nop. It was for ARMv4/5 only and google tells me
exynos5250 was a dual core Cortex A-15, which is armv7.
> but I suspect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments
> I will make,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ...
>
There's likely a lot of work here...
Warner
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmai=
l.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> Do you have deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11
>> or you keep them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small
>> amount of money ? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my
>> expertise.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd=
.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 16:46, Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>> >
>>> > The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.
>>>
>>> For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005. The last
>>> cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014. This is=
not
>>> a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=80=99=
s 19 years old and has been largely
>>> dead for several years.
>>>
>>> > But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about the ARM
>>> Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.
>>>
>>> Generally, run `freebsd-update`. This is a very different question fro=
m
>>> =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'
>>>
>>> > I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD an=
d
>>> Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use =
it
>>> as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes=
.
>>> But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.
>>> So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You
>>> know,there are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you c=
an
>>> keep your machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone ca=
n
>>> compromise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,remov=
ing
>>> ports and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the o=
nly
>>> one that thinks like this.
>>>
>>> If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is
>>> stopping you, but:
>>>
>>> - You will need to build the releases. The source code is still in
>>> git, you can. The scripts for building the release images are right th=
ere
>>> in the repo. Just grab the relevant release or releng branch and go.
>>>
>>> - You will need to build packages. Newer versions of the ports tree
>>> will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an ol=
der
>>> checkout of the ports tree. Poudriere will build a package repo for yo=
u.
>>>
>>> In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certai=
nly
>>> *will* have security vulnerabilities. The project strongly advises you=
not
>>> to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure software=
and
>>> end up compromised.
>>>
>>> The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintainin=
g
>>> things indefinitely. This is why release have a five-year supported
>>> lifetime. If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re
>>> welcome to. In the past, companies have picked up old branches and
>>> maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them. If you wa=
nt
>>> to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets) then t=
here
>>> are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.
>>>
>>> Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s no=
t totally
>>> unrelated. Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and costs t=
he
>>> project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN, so t=
his
>>> isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk). Even if it were free, philosophical=
ly, I think
>>> making it easy for users to install known-insecure software is a bad id=
ea
>>> but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-date packages online
>>> indefinitely then you can. You can run Poudriere and even cross-compil=
e
>>> from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.
>>>
>>> It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would=
guess
>>> that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a
>>> cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated. Storing the results fo=
r a small
>>> number of users will cost around $10-20/month. If you think this is an
>>> important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spend your ow=
n
>>> money on doing it.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Mario.
>>
>
>
> --
> Mario.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:54=E2=80=AF=
PM Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com">marietto200=
8@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><pre dir=3D"ltr"><code>He=
llo to everyone.<br><br>I'm trying to copy the Chromebook's SNOW so=
urce files that have been included on the FreeBSD 11 <br>revision 269385 to=
the new FreeBSD 13 revision 373300. It has compiled correctly world,but wh=
en it<br>starts to compile the kernel,it gives a lot of "unknown optio=
n" errors. Is there a way to fix them ? <br><br></code></pre><pre><cod=
e># svn co <a href=3D"http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head@269385</a> ./head-269385 ; taken fro=
m this tutorial :<br><br></code><a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chr=
omebook" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Chromebook</a><br><=
code>
# svn co <a href=3D"http://svn.freebsd.org/base/head" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://svn.freebsd.org/base/head</a> ./head-373300
# cp ./head-269395/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW ./head-373300/sys/arm/conf
# cd ./head-373300
# make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv7 KERNCONF=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkerne=
l<br><br>I tried also with : </code><code>make TARGET_ARCH=3Darmv6 KERNCONF=
=3DCHROMEBOOK-SNOW buildworld buildkernel</code><code>,but it <br>didn'=
t make any difference.
<br></code></pre><pre><code>.....
.....
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> World build completed on Wed Jan 17 21:27:04 CET 2024
>>> World built in 14203 seconds, ncpu: 16
--------------------------------------------------------------
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 341: SYSTEM_COMPILER: lib
clang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-compiler.
make[1]: "/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/Makefile.inc1&q=
uot; line 346: SYSTEM_LINKER: libcl
ang will be built for bootstrapping a cross-linker.
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Kernel build for CHROMEBOOK-SNOW started on Wed Jan 17 21:27:0=
4 CET 2024
--------------------------------------------------------------
=3D=3D=3D> CHROMEBOOK-SNOW
mkdir -p /usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys
--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> stage 1: configuring the kernel
--------------------------------------------------------------
cd /mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf; PATH=3D/usr/=
obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Ch
romebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chrome=
book/head-373300/arm.armv
7/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.arm=
v7/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/m
nt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/u=
sr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/
OS/Chromebook/head-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/=
zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head
-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/legacy/bin:/usr/obj/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/h=
ead-373300/arm.armv7/tmp/
legacy/usr/libexec::/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/mnt/=
zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebo
ok/head-373300/arm.armv7/sys/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS=
/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/a
rm/conf' -I '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chromebook/head-373300/sys/arm/c=
onf' '/mnt/zroot2/zroot2/OS/Chro
mebook/head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW'
WARNING: duplicate option `DEBUG' encountered.
</code><br>
./head-373300/sys/arm/conf/CHROMEBOOK-SNOW: unknown option "IPI_IRQ_EN=
D" / "IPI_IRQ_START / ARM_L2_PIPT"<br></pre><pre>and so on..=
.<br><br></pre><pre>these options are included inside the file "std.ex=
ynos5250" (that I have copied from the old to the new<br></pre><pre>so=
urce code). What I'm trying to do to stop these error is to comment the=
offending lines :<br></pre><pre><br>nano ./head-373300/sys/arm/samsung/exy=
nos/std.exynos5250 :<br>
#options IPI_IRQ_START=3D0<br>#options IPI_IRQ_END=3D15<br></pre></di=
v></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These likely require changes=
to adopt exynos to INTRNG.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><pre>#optio=
ns ARM_L2_PIPT</pre></div></div></div></blockquote><div>This is likely a=
nop. It was for ARMv4/5 only and google tells me exynos5250 was a dual cor=
e Cortex A-15, which is armv7.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>but I susp=
ect that a lot of options will be missing and the more comments I will make=
,the more the chance that it will not work will increase. ...</div></div></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's likely a lot of work here...</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Warner</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:48=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto =
<<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto200=
8@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you hav=
e deleted forever the set of packages and ports for FreeBSD 11 or you keep =
them stored in DVDs that I can buy or download for a small amount of money =
? If yes,where ? To rebuild everything is out of my expertise. <br></div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:15=E2=80=AFPM David Chisnall <<a href=3D"mailto:=
theraven@freebsd.org" target=3D"_blank">theraven@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 15 Jan 2024,=
at 16:46, Mario Marietto <<a href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> The ARM Chromebook is based on armv7,it is still recent.<br>
<br>
For reference, the ARMv7 architecture was introduced in 2005.=C2=A0 The las=
t cores that implemented the architecture were released in 2014.=C2=A0 This=
is not a =E2=80=98recent=E2=80=99 architecture, it=E2=80=99s one that=E2=
=80=99s 19 years old and has been largely dead for several years.<br>
<br>
> But let's change perspective for a moment,don't think about th=
e ARM Chromebook. My question is : how to upgrade FreeBSD when it goes EOL.=
<br>
<br>
Generally, run `freebsd-update`.=C2=A0 This is a very different question fr=
om =E2=80=98how do I do a new install of an old an unsupported version?'=
;<br>
<br>
> I ask this because there is a huge difference here between FreeBSD and=
Linux. Today if you need to use , for example Ubuntu 14.0, you can use it =
as is. Yes,there will be a lot of bugs,but it will work without crashes.=C2=
=A0 But if you want to use an old FreeBSD system,nothing will work for you.=
So,do you know some methods to install even packages or ports ? You know,t=
here are cases when you need to do some experiments so that you can keep yo=
ur machine off the internet,so you aren't scared that someone can compr=
omise it. Totally prohibiting the users to use an old system,removing ports=
and packages is not a choice that I approve of. And I'm not the only o=
ne that thinks like this.<br>
<br>
If you want to use an old and unsupported version of FreeBSD, no one is sto=
pping you, but:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build the releases.=C2=A0 The source code is still=
in git, you can.=C2=A0 The scripts for building the release images are rig=
ht there in the repo.=C2=A0 Just grab the relevant release or releng branch=
and go.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0- You will need to build packages.=C2=A0 Newer versions of the ports =
tree will not be tested with the older release, so you may need to use an o=
lder checkout of the ports tree.=C2=A0 Poudriere will build a package repo =
for you.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
In both cases, if you=E2=80=99re using older versions you almost certainly =
*will* have security vulnerabilities.=C2=A0 The project strongly advises yo=
u not to do this and not to blame us when you install known-insecure softwa=
re and end up compromised.<br>
<br>
The project does not have enough active contributors to keep maintaining th=
ings indefinitely.=C2=A0 This is why release have a five-year supported lif=
etime.=C2=A0 If you want to pick up an old branch and maintain it, you=E2=
=80=99re welcome to.=C2=A0 In the past, companies have picked up old branch=
es and maintained them for customers that had a dependency on them.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to pay someone to maintain an old branch (and have deep pockets)=
then there are probably a few companies that will happily take your money.=
<br>
<br>
Maintaining binaries is a slightly different issue, but it=E2=80=99s not to=
tally unrelated.=C2=A0 Keeping old packages around consumes disk space and =
costs the project money (remember, every package is mirrored across the CDN=
, so this isn=E2=80=99t just a single disk).=C2=A0 Even if it were free, ph=
ilosophically, I think making it easy for users to install known-insecure s=
oftware is a bad idea but if you want to keep a package repo with out-of-da=
te packages online indefinitely then you can.=C2=A0 You can run Poudriere a=
nd even cross-compile from a fairly beefy cloud machine quite easily.<br>
<br>
It=E2=80=99s been a while since I did a full package build, but I would gue=
ss that you could do a single package build (all ports) for about $50 on a =
cloud VM, more (2-3x) if it=E2=80=99s emulated.=C2=A0 Storing the results f=
or a small number of users will cost around $10-20/month.=C2=A0 If you thin=
k this is an important thing to do, then you are absolutely welcome to spen=
d your own money on doing it.<br>
<br>
David<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre=
fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d=
iv>
</blockquote></div></div>
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On 20/01/2024 03:08, Graham Perrin wrote:
> On 16/01/2024 19:20, xpetrl wrote:
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>> OK, good, we can't do nothing, unfortunately.
>>
>> Is somebody of this list going to Brussel?
>>
>> Why not just met at FOSDEM for a short beer at Cafeteria?
>>
>> It's free as in beer ;)
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> <https://m.fru.bar/@drscream/111698603931971107> (via
> <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/91601/>).
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>
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I installed the pkg for the elisa music player to test a few things;
it mostly seemed to work.
However, after a system crash (unrelated), upon reboot when I start
X everything is gawd-awful slow because baloo_file_extractor is
running, apparently searching the world of my filesystem for what few
music scraps are there. Killing the parent process running
/usr/local/lib/libexec/baloo_file
solves the cpu munching.
Some searching says elisa can be configured not to do that, so I
hit the hamburger menu for configure elisa and I see the message:
QQmlComponent: Component is not ready
Apparently the package does not contain whatever is necessary to
deal with configuration. It's not clear to me from the makefile in
audio/elisa what additional package might be needed. USE_KDE
specifies baloo5 and configwidgets so it seems logical if baloo is
running the widgets required for configuration would also be present.
I seem to have a bunch of qt stuff installed but only
kf5-kdeclarative-5.110.0
kf5-kded-5.110.0
for kde, both of which are required only by the elisa pkg
It's not clear to me where the global config file for elisa is, nor
what the content possibilities are. My local .config/elisarc shows
only:
[ElisaFileIndexer]
RootPath[$e]=$HOME/Music
[UiSettings]
ColorScheme=
$HOME/Music is missing stuff which was there when elisa was running
originally (stuff I've deleted).
Questions:
1. Is there a pkg I can install to get the config option to work?
2. Where is the global elisa config file, if it exists?
3. How to prevent the music indexer from running?
Gary