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To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000078f0cd06125e4dd0" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tkgg80524z4Sfp --00000000000078f0cd06125e4dd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am seeing these messages from a freebsd-update cron job: > Fetching metadata signature for 12.4-RELEASE from update1.freebsd.org... > done. but I am running 13.2-RELEASE-p10. If I run freebsd-update by hand, it seems to know what to do: > Fetching metadata signature for 13.2-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org... > done. my freebsd-update.conf file is untouched. What is it looking at to pull 12.4? -- Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --00000000000078f0cd06125e4dd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am seeing these messages from a freebsd-update cron= job:=C2=A0
Fetching metadata signature for 12.4-RELE= ASE from update1.freebsd.org... done.

but I= am running 13.2-RELEASE-p10. If I run freebsd-update by hand, it seems to = know what to do:=C2=A0
Fetching metadata signature fo= r 13.2-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org... done.

my freebsd-update.conf file is untouched.=C2=A0 What is it looking at= to pull 12.4?=C2=A0
-- =
Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/
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I built it with ZFS-on-root on February 4, 2020, using the FreeBSD installer: FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img I then added various packages via pkg(8), created a ZFS pool, migrated my data, and put the computer into service. Over the years, I have used freebsd-update(8) and pkg(8) exclusively to install software, to update/ update the system, and to update/ upgrade the software packages. I last successfully updated the system and packages on December 29, 2023, prior to 12.4R EOL: 2023-12-29 20:46:54 toor@f3 ~ # freebsd-update fetch install ... 2023-12-29 20:48:42 toor@f3 ~ # pkg update ... 2023-12-29 20:49:45 toor@f3 ~ # pkg upgrade ... This is the current system state: 2024-02-27 13:50:23 toor@f3 ~ # freebsd-version -kru 12.4-RELEASE-p9 12.4-RELEASE-p9 12.4-RELEASE-p9 2024-02-27 13:50:26 toor@f3 ~ # uname -a FreeBSD f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC amd64 2024-02-27 13:56:44 toor@f3 ~/f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com # kldstat -m zfs Id Refs Name 6 1 zfs Is there a way to determine the origin (e.g. Illumos, OpenZFS) and version of the ZFS code that is running in the kernel on the above computer other than downloading the source tarball and crawling the code? https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/ I have been reading about OpenZFS data corruption bugs since November 2023 and delaying upgrading this and my other FreeBSD computers. I thought I had found an solution with FreeBSD 13.2R: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2024-February/004920.html But, another OpenZFS data corruption bug report was opened yesterday for the current version of OpenZFS (2.2.3): https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15933 Does this new OpenZFS bug #15993 affect FreeBSD 13.2R? 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I built it with ZFS-on-root on February 4, 2020, using the FreeBSD installer: FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img I then added various packages via pkg(8), created a ZFS pool, migrated my data, and put the computer into service. Over the years, I have used freebsd-update(8) and pkg(8) exclusively to install software, to update/ update the system, and to update/ upgrade the software packages. I last successfully updated the system and packages on December 29, 2023, prior to 12.4R EOL: 2023-12-29 20:46:54 toor@f3 ~ # freebsd-update fetch install .. 2023-12-29 20:48:42 toor@f3 ~ # pkg update .. 2023-12-29 20:49:45 toor@f3 ~ # pkg upgrade .. This is the current system state: 2024-02-27 13:50:23 toor@f3 ~ # freebsd-version -kru 12.4-RELEASE-p9 12.4-RELEASE-p9 12.4-RELEASE-p9 2024-02-27 13:50:26 toor@f3 ~ # uname -a FreeBSD f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 12.4-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC amd64 2024-02-27 13:56:44 toor@f3 ~/f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com # kldstat -m zfs Id Refs Name 6 1 zfs Is there a way to determine the origin (e.g. Illumos, OpenZFS) and version of the ZFS code that is running in the kernel on the above computer other than downloading the source tarball and crawling the code? https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/ I have been reading about OpenZFS data corruption bugs since November 2023 and delaying upgrading this and my other FreeBSD computers. I thought I had found an solution with FreeBSD 13.2R: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2024-February/004920.html But, another OpenZFS data corruption bug report was opened yesterday for the current version of OpenZFS (2.2.3): https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15933 Does this new OpenZFS bug #15933 affect FreeBSD 13.2R? 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[hotmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.493]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f403::/49]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tkztn4Gzmz4hpn On 2/27/24 16:00, David Christensen wrote: > freebsd-questions: > > I have a FreeBSD with ZFS that I use as a CVS repository and Samba file > server for my SOHO network.  I built it with ZFS-on-root on February 4, > 2020, using the FreeBSD installer: > >     FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img > > > I then added various packages via pkg(8), created a ZFS pool, migrated > my data, and put the computer into service.  Over the years, I have used > freebsd-update(8) and pkg(8) exclusively to install software, to update/ > update the system, and to update/ upgrade the software packages. That approach is fine, though on ZFS there are reports of major freebsd-update upgrades taking unexpectedly long amounts of time. > I last successfully updated the system and packages on December 29, > 2023, prior to 12.4R EOL: > > 2023-12-29 20:46:54 toor@f3 ~ > # freebsd-update fetch install > .. > 2023-12-29 20:48:42 toor@f3 ~ > # pkg update > .. > 2023-12-29 20:49:45 toor@f3 ~ > # pkg upgrade > .. > > > This is the current system state: > > 2024-02-27 13:50:23 toor@f3 ~ > # freebsd-version -kru > 12.4-RELEASE-p9 > 12.4-RELEASE-p9 > 12.4-RELEASE-p9 > > 2024-02-27 13:50:26 toor@f3 ~ > # uname -a > FreeBSD f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.4-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD > 12.4-RELEASE-p9 GENERIC  amd64 > > 2024-02-27 13:56:44 toor@f3 ~/f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com > # kldstat -m zfs > Id  Refs Name >   6    1 zfs > > > Is there a way to determine the origin (e.g. Illumos, OpenZFS) and > version of the ZFS code that is running in the kernel on the above > computer other than downloading the source tarball and crawling the code? > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/ You could read release notes or maybe follow feature support changes that came along with the migration. I thought migration from Illumos to OpenZFS (ZoL initially based effort) happened at 13. > I have been reading about OpenZFS data corruption bugs since November > 2023 and delaying upgrading this and my other FreeBSD computers.  I > thought I had found an solution with FreeBSD 13.2R: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2024-February/004920.html Block cloning was accused for being the source of the November 2023(?) bug which was tracked back to unrelated code from before OpenZFS from before 2010. 12 was not immune to the November 2023 bug, but it was less likely to happen due to fewer tools having as advanced of filesystem API support; a patch was released before support for 12 was dropped which freebsd-update should apply if it hadn't happened yet (don't remember patch#). > But, another OpenZFS data corruption bug report was opened yesterday for > the current version of OpenZFS (2.2.3): > > https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15933 > > > Does this new OpenZFS bug #15993 affect FreeBSD 13.2R? #15993 mentions using block cloning which 13.2R does not include or support on the base system. Though a pool may have that enabled, I thought it was still disabled with a sysctl (that I hope never goes away even when 100% bug free; its important to be able to rewrite data on disk when desired). I am not sure if the bug is only produced when block cloning is enabled or if block cloning just brings out a different bug. 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I have a Mac Studio but I'm n= ot used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning them = is going to take some time. What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't i= nstall FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fusion = Pro). Looking forward to hearing what other people do. 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To: Simon Connah Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aed39d0612747d77" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlLvm4b6Lz45fx --000000000000aed39d0612747d77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning them is going to take some time. >> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fusion Pro). I don't develop on FreeBSD remotely. I don't see why you couldn't. FreeBSD is my daily driver. I write code in the `helix` text editor running inside `tmux`, itself inside the `alaccrity` terminal emulator (which you wouldn't have if developing remotely). I just use helix because it gives me a 90% vim-like experience with far less configuration out of the box. Like `neovim` it has built in LSP support and will use installed LSP servers e.g. rust-analyzer, clangd, gopls, taplo, etc. I've run VS code in the past, but mostly it's `helix` or occasionally `vim` for me these days. I've used `neovim` for a while but never really liked it as much. I found it was a lot more fragile - a lot of move fast and break things going on. On the rare occasion I need something like Docker, I'll boot a linux install running in `virtualbox`. For commercial solutions there's been a few Jetbrains products that are supported on FreeBSD. I ran `clion` for a bit and `pycharm` (Perhaps not remotely though, unless you want to get in deep with X11 forwarding and debugging any issues that arise, I don't know.) I also have a dedicated Windows box I can remotely boot and `rdesktop` into when I need it. I once tried setting this up to share the same physical CPU with virtualization running two operating systems at once and while it did work, it was a rough sojourn! Not worth the effort. Probably the best time investment is getting comfortable with vim motions. You can use these in `vi`, `vim`, `neovim`, `helix`, and there's even a plugin for `VS code` that supports them. They feel really clunky for a while, but save you tons of time later and are a transferable skill to other operating systems, software and domains. Best of luck! --000000000000aed39d0612747d77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and wa= s curious about the best practices for when it comes to developing on FreeB= SD? I have a Mac Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I= get the feeling that learning them is going to take some time.
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>> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? U= nfortunately I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it w= ould be in VMware Fusion Pro).
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I don't develop on FreeBSD remotely. I don't see why you = couldn't. FreeBSD is my daily driver. I write code in the `helix` text = editor running inside `tmux`, itself inside the `alaccrity` terminal emulat= or (which you wouldn't have if developing remotely). I just use helix b= ecause it gives me a 90% vim-like experience with far less configuration ou= t of the box. Like `neovim` it has built in LSP support and will use instal= led LSP servers e.g. rust-analyzer, clangd, gopls, taplo, etc.

I've run VS code in the past, but mostly it's `hel= ix` or occasionally `vim` for me these days. I've used `neovim` for a w= hile but never really liked it as much. I found it was a lot more fragile -= a lot of move fast and break things going on. On the rare occasion I need = something like Docker, I'll boot a linux install running in `virtualbox= `. For commercial solutions there's been a few Jetbrains products that = are supported on FreeBSD. I ran `clion` for a bit and `pycharm` (Perhaps no= t remotely though, unless you want to get in deep with X11 forwarding and d= ebugging any issues that arise, I don't know.) I also have a dedicated = Windows box I can remotely boot and `rdesktop` into when I need it. I once = tried setting this up to share the same physical CPU with virtualization ru= nning two operating systems at once and while it did work, it was a rough s= ojourn! Not worth the effort.
=C2=A0
Probably the best = time investment is getting comfortable with vim motions. You can use these = in `vi`, `vim`, `neovim`, `helix`, and there's even a plugin for `VS co= de` that supports them. They feel really clunky for a while, but save you t= ons of time later and are a transferable skill to other operating systems, = software and domains.
=C2=A0
Best of luck!
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SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.928]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[alexey@pentode.fi,alexey@hotmail.fi]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a01:111:f403::/49]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[alexey]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[alexey@pentode.fi,alexey@hotmail.fi]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pentode.fi]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a01:111:f403:2e07::800:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlNx04QFwz4J0r On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:29:42AM -0700, Modulok wrote: > >> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't > install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fusion > Pro). I have a headless FreeBSD server. I mostly do development with vim (I have used it for like 25 years, switching, ahem, from emacs -- and it helps) running in tmux (I have used screen before but about 10 years ago I've made a mistake to look into its source code -- and since then I'm using tmux and made a point never look into its sources). For connection I normally use SSH, and sometimes VNC (with Xvnc running on FreeBSD side). I can use both options on my iPad (with Blink and Rvnc); actually, I'm writing now on iPad, with SSH connection to FreeBSD. I have several scripts/aliases to make working with tmux easier (think listing sessions; show menu, allowing to choose to which session to attach; something for tmux new -A -s ). To make working with vim easier in terminal over SSH I use such options as colorcolumn, numbers, rnu. I also use t_* settings in vim to make cursor of different color and shape in different modes. I use "set -o vi" in my shell, and I use starship prompt (some people strongly dislike it, by the way). Useful thing, if your SSH connection is unstable, is mosh. > is my daily driver. I write code in the `helix` text editor running inside > `tmux`, itself inside the `alaccrity` terminal emulator (which you wouldn't > have if developing remotely). I had a brief affair with helix, couple of months, and it did not fly for me. I use alacritty as well and it works reasonably well over VNC (keep in mind that though my connections usually -- not always -- over WiFi, they are normally inside the same house). > vim-like experience with far less configuration out of the box. Like Well, helix has modes. Experience is quite far away from vim, though I know what you mean. > `neovim` it has built in LSP support and will use installed LSP servers I never found a compelling reason to switch to neovim. I have started to use LSP in vim a couple years ago with coc.nvim (yep, it works in plain vim) plugin. > I've run VS code in the past, ...and it works reasonably well over VNC. > want to get in deep with X11 forwarding While I prefer VNC, I had remote X servers connected to FreeBSD, it is not that difficult. > You can use these in `vi`, `vim`, `neovim`, `helix`, and there's even a > plugin for `VS code` that supports them. There is a VS Code plugin which connects to real neovim and uses its engine, so it's not just emulation. I can only approve learning vim way of editing, and not because of time saving. It is very convenient, when you get used to it. P.S. vim has a ton of options for programming, see things like makeprg, errorformat, quickfix list, integration with tags. You definitely want to know how to use 'make' and 'ctags' programs. -- Alexey I cannot receive HTML mail at this account. Hi, I am a signature virus. Add me to your signature to help me spread. From nobody Wed Feb 28 22:22:32 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlTPg224sz5CX2P for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TlTPf56xjz4lxQ for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1709158952; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Jcdt5KmXqIFsehpmV297OP0MCIS5znT03vS4jY0l5XU=; b=ZKZGFfaxBT+cyuDKmO0eAVr9IeT+fWSyuV5gZU8KZtuuO36W6Bu+FHcNADb2a7TZaR6sIA 3GSAauiaNsOs0iroCNV69OK2ouwkXUfMXAN0Db0I+CkElRD442PaJ1yG3v/EMrCXsDcFbK JRJk89X5xz5ADWGxhiR6HowsiXtBOSE= Received: from topanga ( [47.154.31.160]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 6a5fb86a (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:22:32 -0800 From: Pete Wright To: Simon Connah Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: References: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlTPf56xjz4lxQ On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 04:30:22PM +0000, Simon Connah wrote: > I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning them is going to take some time. > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fusion Pro). > you might want to take a look at UTM which is a pretty slick virtualization framwork for recent macOS. it uses the native macOS hypervisor, and like KVM under linux uses Qemu to drive things. I've found it to be pretty performant and have actively researched using it to aid with local application development environments. https://mac.getutm.app/ i think there may be some gaps on running graphics under FreeBSD, but it should give you a usable FreeBSD to hack on. You can snapshot the VMs too which may be helpful. as far as development best practicies and workflows i think it boils down to what you are trying to work on. but generally speaking i see no reason why you couldn't use your favorite IDE on your mac, commit changes to git, then pull in the changes and build/test on your FreeBSD system. there is even support for CI workflows using Cirrus CI (https://cirrus-ci.org/) if that is of interest for you. hope this helps, -pete From nobody Wed Feb 28 22:37:44 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlTl0568pz5CY4g for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TlTl01XYWz4rhv for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 22:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 44748 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2024 22:37:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=aeca65dfb5ba.k2402; bh=h7hKT4fMGzzAm+ZHSx8aoqs5sV6JzNuRJL/T8ifacQA=; b=AN1pD7DzdjEjQeTvZPLdd0kB+W6VHr6QKdZyyDAuv7jR07ZfbAomriEvYsyrIjy/1VftCMtMO0kHXSJk3q0rL/m+hFpBVmC3szi/bBIgyxQn/8SQPy2mriivHWVYKMkGh1fV/yZxvekkI9gxy6oIGgMfTFDTFkyWL9NTWuu0zv/mgl/y/oUr9aHk0yZaAIhUDZkTfE4DYr87oohl1tuIZuBkR8+60KakKndsnPMxquZlpPrh6lMi0hMdBOZWHmEEXh3C/3Ct1KpR3OTs4vC+KjVBUWDRx4Ed7Ke7R8AdE4rAAb+UdcjEO+AcQJYc74C6clPJ8Q+oA/NzJGDEAArfwg== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 28 Feb 2024 22:37:46 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id DACE0841EA7D; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:37:44 -0500 (EST) Date: 28 Feb 2024 17:37:44 -0500 Message-Id: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: simon.n.connah@protonmail.com Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? In-Reply-To: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlTl01XYWz4rhv It appears that Simon Connah said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac >Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning them is going to take some time. > >What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in >VMware Fusion Pro). FreeBSD works great in virtual machines. See Chapter 24.3 of the FreeBSD handbook for advice on installing it with VMware. I'm running FBSD under Fusion on my M2 Macbook, using NFS to share files between native Mac and the FBSD virtual machine, and X1 applications on BSD displaying with Xquartz on the Mac. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Thu Feb 29 00:28:55 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlXCY2c5Fz5Cj7c for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlXCX3nG5z56X0 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TlXCP5VgXz2gF8w for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:28:55 -0800 References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> Message-Id: <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.69 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.985]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.61)[-0.606]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlXCX3nG5z56X0 > On Feb 28, 2024, at 14:37, John Levine wrote: >=20 > It appears that Simon Connah said: >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >>=20 >> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best = practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac >> Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the = feeling that learning them is going to take some time. >>=20 >> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I = can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in >> VMware Fusion Pro). >=20 > FreeBSD works great in virtual machines. See Chapter 24.3 of the > FreeBSD handbook for advice on installing it with VMware. >=20 > I'm running FBSD under Fusion on my M2 Macbook, using NFS to share > files between native Mac and the FBSD virtual machine, and X1 > applications on BSD displaying with Xquartz on the Mac. I run a number of servers with FreeBSD 14.0 on Mac Mini's. I run them = on the bare hardware. The boot is very slow as it takes the Mac awhile = to decide to boot in non-Mac mode. I use SSH to connect to them from a = variety of machines. I also have several of those off-site for backups. = All the machines have power and ethernet only. Currently all are the = Intel Minis I believe although I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for = awhile to test it out. I have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as = they are cheaper, smaller, and use less power. They are a bit slower = for disk access, but otherwise just as powerful.=20 My console system is an M1 mini with a large screen etc. Terminal works = fine although I use JellifiSSH to manage the connections. -- Doug From nobody Thu Feb 29 00:32:46 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlXHz3bxCz5Cjfh for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TlXHy0H95z58Cs for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=ijEfQvZ0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paulbeard@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=paulbeard@gmail.com Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a26ed1e05c7so64268266b.2 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:33:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709166779; x=1709771579; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Jnhfha9ucouEIKyci90EkXhybnZEjv7L2kuGCd/FfMk=; b=ijEfQvZ0HxyiviFsay/ynyAGdoRUuBhJMMHZEsRw2e2qcG0OoAdyK4emRCzP7p1M8/ UeF0w29d8bXp9Y1H5Mugs3pDXpizWNIwiDR4p+AURM/J33a5EhFiE5l9S1ybdekx/Uw1 fLZ06lZAKHUMtwB6fdQzqjGlz2bVSMQx5wtEyEO/llr5OGVGItE2pLEjqePPqbhpqfhV 7466ipqb1MHVpzx26WTvv9yRzL5i4OcoB0YOLz54/aMViS3SCjOaLt5+81DQSKqpPvgg x/xWuIl6i7M+9t/fyOtLTmm1kpmB/SgvgmoqVEfKZujrA0tzd70yH0iS7Ckykshf7vLw nC8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709166779; x=1709771579; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Jnhfha9ucouEIKyci90EkXhybnZEjv7L2kuGCd/FfMk=; b=LSoim88p4Avbv7YfSO7/THOXjJCw1oYTnOa+gSsN9C6LYQKWTkqrcmQAPo6jKQfsQ0 W7O1n4th+psqqFlxr8Iqa5tCaAH3U1+R6U+N6i5WMcx9+sR4G9JA76b3iiNtC0JcuRoF E4UFh2LMrDX4zAs6CHm8R32/8y0I6k40jqqtyNyTWXamq3zxIFJhwftmKdn81Bdcld2e PcH+jf5FzVJa2JFWA5HwA5FF3tf39Guw/Ex9HQhHpp8v3JriAQQ/9tTbLdqd4YNssLcN XGbcD8D0bMfKgO65Fr38Vt+bDcAclecb2/w0z0UdiKyIErqkhxkaVsz9vj/CKkLxvKUQ CkBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwS2PczlYeV4v2xCWNAimVZsy+lVA1Gc2UDRNQr8wJ5LtGerq6P 8dZwbH5XCgsqqzvGhFgbwLRcA5I2u+i2GWwRoLIrhGzrMn3UJ1kbqZg72EbclTO8YdScsuUxVyI g0r3ci8xhL3kfeWnYNH6N6OVChhZX9Sfy X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHiMrh1aI2WzTVEe1jEdoe1GPJ+g9qIFxyRfEg/aGPPH305rW5HfQMvlxboE1p0nygQpowxGpM3rp4bZeL59yc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:51a:b0:a44:296:3513 with SMTP id j26-20020a170906051a00b00a4402963513mr250890eja.60.1709166778812; Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:32:58 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> In-Reply-To: <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> From: paul beard Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b68cae06127a664a" X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.98 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlXHy0H95z58Cs --000000000000b68cae06127a664a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more vote for FreeBSD in emulation. I have been running it for years in VirtualBox on now-ancient Mac hardware. Works fine but Apple Silicon (M* chips) is not there yet. UTM looks good but I haven't needed to go there. On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Doug Hardie wrote: > > On Feb 28, 2024, at 14:37, John Levine wrote: > > > > It appears that Simon Connah said: > >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > >> > >> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best > practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac > >> Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling > that learning them is going to take some time. > >> > >> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I > can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in > >> VMware Fusion Pro). > > > > FreeBSD works great in virtual machines. See Chapter 24.3 of the > > FreeBSD handbook for advice on installing it with VMware. > > > > I'm running FBSD under Fusion on my M2 Macbook, using NFS to share > > files between native Mac and the FBSD virtual machine, and X1 > > applications on BSD displaying with Xquartz on the Mac. > > > I run a number of servers with FreeBSD 14.0 on Mac Mini's. I run them on > the bare hardware. The boot is very slow as it takes the Mac awhile to > decide to boot in non-Mac mode. I use SSH to connect to them from a > variety of machines. I also have several of those off-site for backups. > All the machines have power and ethernet only. Currently all are the Int= el > Minis I believe although I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for awhile to > test it out. I have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as they are > cheaper, smaller, and use less power. They are a bit slower for disk > access, but otherwise just as powerful. > > My console system is an M1 mini with a large screen etc. Terminal works > fine although I use JellifiSSH to manage the connections. > > -- Doug > > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000b68cae06127a664a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One more vote for FreeBSD in emulation. I have been runnin= g it for years in VirtualBox on now-ancient Mac hardware. Works fine but Ap= ple Silicon (M* chips) is not there yet. UTM looks good but I haven't n= eeded to go there.=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Doug Hardie= <bc979@lafn.org> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2024, at 14:37, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:<= br> >
> It appears that Simon Connah <simon.n.connah@protonmail.com> said: >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
>> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
>>
>> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the be= st practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac
>> Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the= feeling that learning them is going to take some time.
>>
>> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I= can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in
>> VMware Fusion Pro).
>
> FreeBSD works great in virtual machines. See Chapter 24.3 of the
> FreeBSD handbook for advice on installing it with VMware.
>
> I'm running FBSD under Fusion on my M2 Macbook, using NFS to share=
> files between native Mac and the FBSD virtual machine, and X1
> applications on BSD displaying with Xquartz on the Mac.


I run a number of servers with FreeBSD 14.0 on Mac Mini's.=C2=A0 I run = them on the bare hardware.=C2=A0 The boot is very slow as it takes the Mac = awhile to decide to boot in non-Mac mode.=C2=A0 I use SSH to connect to the= m from a variety of machines.=C2=A0 I also have several of those off-site f= or backups.=C2=A0 All the machines have power and ethernet only.=C2=A0 Curr= ently all are the Intel Minis I believe although I have run FreeBSD 13 on a= M1 Mini for awhile to test it out.=C2=A0 I have recently been using Raspbe= rry Pi 4s as they are cheaper, smaller, and use less power.=C2=A0 They are = a bit slower for disk access, but otherwise just as powerful.

My console system is an M1 mini with a large screen etc.=C2=A0 Terminal wor= ks fine although I use JellifiSSH to manage the connections.

-- Doug




--
Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
--000000000000b68cae06127a664a-- From nobody Thu Feb 29 01:07:21 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlY3k3Qfhz5ClmG for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Received: from thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (THYME.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [81.187.47.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlY3k0F4fz40QP for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (IRIS.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::6]) by thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2071A4; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:07:19 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=le-fay.org; s=thyme; t=1709168839; bh=rT+dsC8xeo8IKiF82k9Dzl28Bwgn8mL6r+6iSbkT6DU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=wxbJJtBTurr5r+wimNFZR3pvbJ3qBTFz8FZhaFODqnMxBcsrC3Fi/uCIxKyaqcKcb ztEcFqzFSXr9sHbD8//DbuMG2klLBEyXpOzk2bnxoDB6aQv1uZQrrlxI/LzJlavML1 WNNOI/pfKY/3EcvOGRycvOvsatwYOmaenXwk+F0Y= Received: from ilythia.eden.le-fay.org (ILYTHIA.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD8432C041F; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:07:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 01:07:21 +0000 From: Lexi Winter To: Doug Hardie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Doug Hardie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TNep7WaxFg8uw9Oz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlY3k0F4fz40QP --TNep7WaxFg8uw9Oz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Hardie: > [...] I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for awhile to test it out. I > have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as they are cheaper, smaller, > and use less power. They are a bit slower for disk access, but > otherwise just as powerful.=20 i have to say, having used both an M1 Mac Mini and a few RPis for several months now, this doesn't match my experience at all. the RPi4 is certainly pretty decent, especially for what it costs, but the CPU performance of even the base M1 Mac Mini is so far ahead of the RPi4's that there's really no comparison. i've done plenty of desktop development work on an M1 Mac (mostly C++ and C# projects) and while the performance of the base model isn't amazing, it's perfectly usable. on the RPi, on the other hand, i find the CPU is too slow to even compile ports usefully[0]. i only mention this because i wouldn't want someone to disregard the idea of using an M1 (or later) Mac for FreeBSD simply because they found the RPi too slow--they really have very little in common other than using the same ISA. regards, lexi. 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Ano= ther +1 for developing FreeBSD in emulation.  I used VirtualBox on an I= ntel Mac Mini for years, but a new Mac Studio and Apple silicon chased me ov= er to Parallels Pro and arm64.  

That environment is flexible and can host multiple guest OS=E2=80= =99s simultaneously.  And the cost of that Parallels environment is a l= ot less than spinning up commercial cloud instances and forgetting to tear t= hem down when I=E2=80=99m done.

Tim

On Feb 28, 2024= , at 7:33=E2=80=AFPM, paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

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One more vote for FreeBSD in emulation. I have been running it fo= r years in VirtualBox on now-ancient Mac hardware. Works fine but Apple Sili= con (M* chips) is not there yet. UTM looks good but I haven't needed to go t= here. 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Doug Hardie <bc979@lafn.org> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2024, at 14:37, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>
> It appears that Simon Connah <simon.n.connah@protonmail.com> said:
= >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
>> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
>>
>> I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best pr= actices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac
>> Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feel= ing that learning them is going to take some time.
>>
>> What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I c= an't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in
>> VMware Fusion Pro).
>
> FreeBSD works great in virtual machines. See Chapter 24.3 of the
> FreeBSD handbook for advice on installing it with VMware.
>
> I'm running FBSD under Fusion on my M2 Macbook, using NFS to share
> files between native Mac and the FBSD virtual machine, and X1
> applications on BSD displaying with Xquartz on the Mac.


I run a number of servers with FreeBSD 14.0 on Mac Mini's.  I run them o= n the bare hardware.  The boot is very slow as it takes the Mac awhile t= o decide to boot in non-Mac mode.  I use SSH to connect to them from a v= ariety of machines.  I also have several of those off-site for backups.=   All the machines have power and ethernet only.  Currently all ar= e the Intel Minis I believe although I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for a= while to test it out.  I have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as th= ey are cheaper, smaller, and use less power.  They are a bit slower for= disk access, but otherwise just as powerful.

My console system is an M1 mini with a large screen etc.  Terminal work= s fine although I use JellifiSSH to manage the connections.

-- Doug




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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:42:11 -0800 References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> To: Lexi Winter , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <26A740CF-D8C1-4DFA-8BD4-55996EB65A8A@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlYqy6TY7z45Dm > On Feb 28, 2024, at 17:07, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Doug Hardie: >> [...] I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for awhile to test it out. = I >> have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as they are cheaper, = smaller, >> and use less power. They are a bit slower for disk access, but >> otherwise just as powerful.=20 >=20 > i have to say, having used both an M1 Mac Mini and a few RPis for > several months now, this doesn't match my experience at all. the RPi4 > is certainly pretty decent, especially for what it costs, but the CPU > performance of even the base M1 Mac Mini is so far ahead of the RPi4's > that there's really no comparison. >=20 > i've done plenty of desktop development work on an M1 Mac (mostly C++ > and C# projects) and while the performance of the base model isn't > amazing, it's perfectly usable. on the RPi, on the other hand, i find > the CPU is too slow to even compile ports usefully[0]. That is not surprising. cc uses a lot of disk I/O, and that little = microSD is extremely slow. Replace it with an external SSD and move = everything to it. Use systat -v to monitor the disk usage. I don't = normally run with an external drive as there is no need for it. The = microSD is adequate for my needs. 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[since installing 12.1R] >> I have used freebsd-update(8) and pkg(8) exclusively to >> install software, to update/ update the system, and to update/ >> upgrade the software packages. > > That approach is fine, though on ZFS there are reports of major > freebsd-update upgrades taking unexpectedly long amounts of time. Thank you for the reply. :-) Thankfully, I did not experience upgrade problems with FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 through 12.4-p9 (other than PEBKAC). (To replace the 12.4R computer, I plan to do a fresh install of 13.2R on another computer, backup the data on the 12.4R computer, and restore the data on the 13.2R computer. I will validate the data migration with mtree(8).) >> Is there a way to determine the origin (e.g. Illumos, OpenZFS) and >> version of the ZFS code that is running in the kernel on the above >> computer other than downloading the source tarball and crawling the >> code? >> >> https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/ I decompressed the FreeBSD 12.4R src.xz tarball and looked for clues. There is a lot of code. Searching for "illumos" and "openzfs" proved interesting when comparing 12.4R and 13.2R: 2024-02-28 16:44:23 dpchrist@samba ~/unzipped/download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/usr/src $ find . -name '*zfs*' | xargs grep -i illumos | wc 196 608 15804 2024-02-28 16:44:28 dpchrist@samba ~/unzipped/download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/12.4-RELEASE/usr/src $ find . -name '*zfs*' | xargs grep -i openzfs | wc 0 0 0 2024-02-28 17:20:27 dpchrist@samba ~/unzipped/download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/13.2-RELEASE/usr/src $ find . -name '*zfs*' | xargs grep -i illumos | wc 142 479 18266 2024-02-28 17:20:53 dpchrist@samba ~/unzipped/download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/13.2-RELEASE/usr/src $ find . -name '*zfs*' | xargs grep -i openzfs | wc 86 576 10380 So, it appears FreeBSD 12.4R uses Illumos code and FreeBSD 13.2R uses OpenZFS code with some Illumos remnants. Crawling the 12.4R code, I am unable to find anything that looks like an Illumos release number or identifier (?). Looking at the Illumos GitHub page, it appears Illumos does not do releases (?): https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate Releases No releases published I assume Illumos practices confirmation management, but I am unable to correlate the Illumos ZFS code in FreeBSD 12.4R with the Illumos GitHub repository. > You could read release notes or maybe follow feature support changes > that came along with the migration. I thought migration from Illumos > to OpenZFS (ZoL initially based effort) happened at 13. A case-insensitive search for "zfs" finds zero matching strings in the "Announcement" and "Release Notes" pages for 12.0R, 12.1R, 12.2R, 12.3R, or 12.4R: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ >> I have been reading about OpenZFS data corruption bugs since >> November 2023 and delaying upgrading this and my other FreeBSD >> computers. I thought I had found an solution with FreeBSD 13.2R: >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions/2024-February/004920.html > > Block cloning was accused for being the source of the November > 2023(?) bug which was tracked back to unrelated code from before > OpenZFS from before 2010. 12 was not immune to the November 2023 bug, > but it was less likely to happen due to fewer tools having as > advanced of filesystem API support; a patch was released before > support for 12 was dropped which freebsd-update should apply if it > hadn't happened yet (don't remember patch#). > >> But, another OpenZFS data corruption bug report was opened >> yesterday for the current version of OpenZFS (2.2.3): >> >> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/15933 OpenZFS bugs #15526 and #15933 appear to be integration bugs that involve the (Linux) kernel, GNU coreutils, and ZFS. The test case involves setting up a Portage system for Go on Gentoo Linux (?) and examining files manually for zeroed holes where non-zero values should be. I do not know if the test case can be run on FreeBSD, if there is a test case for these bugs on FreeBSD, or if the bugs do not apply to FreeBSD because the kernel is not Linux (?). >> Does this new OpenZFS bug [#15933] affect FreeBSD 13.2R? > > [#15933] mentions using block cloning which 13.2R does not include or > support on the base system. Though a pool may have that enabled, I > thought it was still disabled with a sysctl (that I hope never goes > away even when 100% bug free; its important to be able to rewrite > data on disk when desired). I am not sure if the bug is only produced > when block cloning is enabled or if block cloning just brings out a > different bug. Until the bug is properly 'debugged' or further > diagnosed, it would be hard to say what systems reproduce the issue > and under what conditions. So, is my data safe on up-to-date FreeBSD 13.2R ZFS with native encryption disabled? David From nobody Thu Feb 29 03:19:27 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlc031x36z5Bkky for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 03:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Received: from thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (THYME.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [81.187.47.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlc021jVLz4JR5 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 03:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=le-fay.org header.s=thyme header.b=ccKhJ3Hp; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lexi@le-fay.org designates 81.187.47.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lexi@le-fay.org Received: from iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (IRIS.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::6]) by thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DADA4; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 03:19:25 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Rick: i hope you don't mind the Cc:, but i thought you might be able to offer some input here since you've helped me with Kerberized NFS in the past.) hi list, i recently ran into a problem with NFS, Kerberos and SSH. the system configuration was like this: - Kerberos configured with a host ticket in /etc/krb5.keytab - sshd configured to use Kerberos with GSSAPI authentication enabled - Kerberized NFS configured with automountd(8) to manage /home /etc/auto_master: /home auto_home /etc/auto_home: * -nfsv4,sec=3Dkrb5p,gssname=3Dhost hemlock.eden.le-fay.org:/home/& the problem is this: when a user tries to log in via ssh, SSH authenticates the user's Kerberos ticket, then it tries to open a file called $HOME/.k5login. however, because it does this without the user's Kerberos ticket, the open fails with EIO, and sshd rejects the login ("authentication failed"): =66rom sshd -ddd: NFSv4 error WrongSec: You probably need a Kerberos TGT fstatat(AT_FDCWD,"/home/lexi/.k5login.d",0x2792356252b0,AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW= ) ERR#5 'Input/output error' Failed gssapi-with-mic for lexi from 2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::10 port 63175 ssh2 using a forwardable ticket (ssh -K) does *not* fix the problem, because sshd is not running with the user's Kerberos credentials at this point. this behaviour is discussed in this upstream Heimdal ticket: https://github.com/heimdal/heimdal/issues/368 the upshot is that it's impossible to allow users to log in via Kerberized SSH while also using Kerberized NFS to mount their home directories, even though this seems like a configuration that would be both desirable and common in any environment using Kerberos. so my first question is: is there a solution / workaround for this? and my second question is: if the answer is no, what if i provided a patch for the NFS client to add a new option, like 'fallbackgssname', which would work like 'allgssname' except that it would only use the host's Kerberos ticket if there isn't already an existing user-specific Kerberos ticket? i haven't looked at how difficult this would be to implement, but it seems like an obvious solution that would fix this problem. regards, lexi. --0Az6pJ6e8r5Qzg/x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seiruote.it:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlqYg2Tl8z486t Il 29/02/2024 03:08, David Christensen ha scritto: > > So, it appears FreeBSD 12.4R uses Illumos code and FreeBSD 13.2R uses > OpenZFS code with some Illumos remnants. > Just replying to a random message of this thread. Yes, ZFS code contained in 12 branch is Illumos based, 13 and forth is OpenZFS (ZOL) based. I still run two fileservers on FreeBSD 12-STABLE (root on UFS and data on ZFS) for the same reasons as yours and I think I'll migrate them to full UFS on a supported release. For now. I'm not in position to say anything about code quality, nor I want to criticize the commendable efforts that OpenZFS and FreeBSD developers put in that project. Maybe, mine (ours?) is just a *perception* problem. It seems to me that OpenZFS shows a different "attitude" from what FreeBSD users are used to, more akin to the Linux way of doing things: hurry-up/cool-feature-of-the-month/put-john's-patch-on-mary's-code-but-after-joedeveloper-hack vs slow/steady/dependable. That's what drove me away from Linux to the BSD world about 25 years ago. So maybe it's not the case, but (several) nasty bugs in filesystem code scare me to my bones: in FreeBSD land, we're just not used to them :)) FreeBSD developers' reaction was great, bugs were fixed and communication was managed very professionally, but OpenZFS changes so fast that I can't help but ask myself: what's next? -- f From nobody Thu Feb 29 12:03:32 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlqcl4zBJz5C30p for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tlqcl4Y3nz4C9M; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1709208215; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=q/nUBHLnTko8iroHQRRwStf46xScsKcaWqHBBVGcYEs=; b=U5YWx593nlOZ2CN4yZTj7Lr5IzDb1+CRtOndN5MVJknVsVTjrkuZOIWa7OL3SK/JcW801j 2+se1AcuhmECwhCJs9U73dOwPHusUVZnC1MoeY1sOxKNqeuIYsyWValr4eY0ds4KeS5LTv yyGxCb3k4Gj4JwiMQNuttJu+tTJPzIhcgPEVZlajB0Gzra4X9eYXMNDSmeX+PIxNZ7NVVD WpmF0SqiRJo8MkO/jrz14pOAHxmOIqhDKuPeGnvc9AUa/ywGqJz6pBlX5aneErL2DE5TsK 1q54LtbwyTBVJYT9sy1ImFUnALdxUKnds1ZEpSSmWPNPOSbjwEIvpvOHb8kCLg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1709208215; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RjnpH6HiSgqNlvw+yKXh1Lnj9Pe/6L0+zyuduByTdo7Ux/pkWZE1ixAarfkfLJhtJIWwvN ArA1XwlRD6nADle6cOQgPfdf33rtskdKauunudaAlOAGtCHD1g730kt0fTkE8NLamLpItD NHH3AdC6LAd99sKoGuvp1lYXoe6LdMX7wpEmgQQmZ56uKwv4/4JHS0XJIwq7zX8tv2qQX5 YmKnYn5pSO7US6gQ5vPJV4htHQeyTGkUMq2+dGJubXG79vWSkaUqYdUuT1YLjmgzK/ZB/p 97nfCDkDcEoJ4W9aT3/iZPnvdTybOoeXOqJkalnbHobRXH9PSR4YuhOd8+o18A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1709208215; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=q/nUBHLnTko8iroHQRRwStf46xScsKcaWqHBBVGcYEs=; b=UlL9Jl2yIQZptZRcj3/DTn3dlaIgQCHEY/ZdMNv+uSwRV52UihF+whfavitbGZsWys9v2O xWhEdKeVshpbDZuefi02WEZdNOmaod9G+WtRBG7LCoO+p1cNb/MOqtsk9bXLZNAvosGtnw +7WgjEFmgmTkVnMnrvvqR/iX/YfrAB3GZF/m3MCGgLDOv4za7AX+6ANrXrwwtI4oaOXG0b yH05oRoLefVvR14Kjd+hKZdGEVBdxzzcD1vE63tLz1dC9Xr2kXs0vzpeW1wg5EXY5ezmYU +N3fXaWQFxg7QXroMoK9Q153c1qm6fmv3A+wmvnUVchj4WcSsxUYPfy1rnV25g== Received: from ltc.des.dev (163.23.65.37.rev.sfr.net [37.65.23.163]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Tlqcl3RGXzMS7; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A46FA1082AD; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:03:32 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: paul beard Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: freebsd-update: where does it get its target info? In-Reply-To: (paul beard's message of "Tue, 27 Feb 2024 07:01:24 -0800") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:03:32 +0100 Message-ID: <86frxbzdd7.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable paul beard writes: > I am seeing these messages from a freebsd-update cron job: > > Fetching metadata signature for 12.4-RELEASE from update1.freebsd.org= ... done. > > but I am running 13.2-RELEASE-p10. If I run freebsd-update by hand, it se= ems to know what to do: > > Fetching metadata signature for 13.2-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org= ... done. > > my freebsd-update.conf file is untouched. What is it looking at to > pull 12.4? It uses `uname -r`, which normally does `sysctl -n kern.osrelease` but can be overridden by the UNAME_r environment variable. 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It seems to me > that OpenZFS shows a different "attitude" from what FreeBSD users are > used to, more akin to the Linux way of doing things: It's all in your head. The core OpenZFS developers are the same people who worked on ZFS at Sun and Illumos. Stop reading Phoronix. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Thu Feb 29 12:24:03 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlr4Y1yDrz5C4tL for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tlr4X2gG9z4JtH for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:24:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luciano@vespaperitivo.it designates 212.45.144.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luciano@vespaperitivo.it Received: from baobab.bilink.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlr4M5LFPzBh8 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:24:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlr4M4qckzBjl for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:24:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from mordeus.mcs.it (mordeus.mcs.it [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826F14E619B for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:24:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:24:03 +0100 From: Luciano Mannucci To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2R and OpenZFS bug #15933 In-Reply-To: References: <27dc6dbd-2ca0-4385-8281-e6bde086bd13@holgerdanske.com> <87eb268e-9429-414a-a3e6-d2e93eaa2119@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.2) X-Face: 4qPv4GNcD;h<7Q/sK>+GqF4=CR@KmnPkSmwd+#%\F`4yjKO3"C]p'z=(oWRnsYBQGM\5g:4skqQY0NnV'dM:Mm:^/_+I@a";[-s=ogufdF"9ggQ'=y List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20240229122403.826F14E619B@hermes.mcs.it> X-Virus-Scanned: PippoLillo, ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.25 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.948]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.45.144.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8816, ipnet:212.45.128.0/19, country:IT]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[vespaperitivo.it]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tlr4X2gG9z4JtH On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:00:19 +0100 tetrosalame wrote: > I still run two fileservers on FreeBSD 12-STABLE (root on UFS and data > on ZFS) for the same reasons as yours and I think I'll migrate them to > full UFS on a supported release. For now. I had the same hesitation for my fileserver. I decided to migrate to 13.2 despite of the known bugs. I don't use advanced features, so I could have migrated the machin to UFS2 (And I was prepared to do so). To my surprise, everything went up fine: my fileserver works well. :) Cheers, Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. 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Message-ID: <8kgWaMVLQfVPdhmRkh3T-WGZstgZua_5iYfJYL4ooIecXZwZq00xpYeOkFodtKwxfOGlUInlt5Ttz4A9R4ae85RGRX1M1vyrukwj65VwjYY=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 24074989:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlrgD6qq3z4NNr This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e -----------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Wednesday, 28 February 2024 at 19:01, Alexey Vyskubov wrote: > = > = > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:29:42AM -0700, Modulok wrote: > = > > > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I= can't > > > > install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMwar= e Fusion > > > > Pro). > = > = > I have a headless FreeBSD server. I mostly do development with vim (I > have used it for like 25 years, switching, ahem, from emacs -- and it > helps) running in tmux (I have used screen before but about 10 years ago > I've made a mistake to look into its source code -- and since then I'm > using tmux and made a point never look into its sources). > = > For connection I normally use SSH, and sometimes VNC (with Xvnc running > on FreeBSD side). I can use both options on my iPad (with Blink and > Rvnc); actually, I'm writing now on iPad, with SSH connection to > FreeBSD. > = > I have several scripts/aliases to make working with tmux easier (think > listing sessions; show menu, allowing to choose to which session to > attach; something for tmux new -A -s ). To make working with > = > vim easier in terminal over SSH I use such options as colorcolumn, > numbers, rnu. I also use t_* settings in vim to make cursor of different > color and shape in different modes. I use "set -o vi" in my shell, and I > use starship prompt (some people strongly dislike it, by the way). > = > Useful thing, if your SSH connection is unstable, is mosh. > = > > is my daily driver. I write code in the `helix` text editor running in= side > > `tmux`, itself inside the `alaccrity` terminal emulator (which you wou= ldn't > > have if developing remotely). > = > = > I had a brief affair with helix, couple of months, and it did not fly > for me. I use alacritty as well and it works reasonably well over VNC > (keep in mind that though my connections usually -- not always -- over > WiFi, they are normally inside the same house). > = > > vim-like experience with far less configuration out of the box. Like > = > = > Well, helix has modes. Experience is quite far away from vim, though I > know what you mean. > = > > `neovim` it has built in LSP support and will use installed LSP server= s > = > = > I never found a compelling reason to switch to neovim. I have started to > use LSP in vim a couple years ago with coc.nvim (yep, it works in plain > vim) plugin. > = > > I've run VS code in the past, > = > = > ..and it works reasonably well over VNC. > = > > want to get in deep with X11 forwarding > = > = > While I prefer VNC, I had remote X servers connected to FreeBSD, it is > not that difficult. > = > > You can use these in `vi`, `vim`, `neovim`, `helix`, and there's even = a > > plugin for `VS code` that supports them. > = > = > There is a VS Code plugin which connects to real neovim and uses its > engine, so it's not just emulation. > = > I can only approve learning vim way of editing, and not because of time > saving. It is very convenient, when you get used to it. > = > P.S. vim has a ton of options for programming, see things like makeprg, > errorformat, quickfix list, integration with tags. You definitely want > to know how to use 'make' and 'ctags' programs. > = > -- > Alexey > I cannot receive HTML mail at this account. > Hi, I am a signature virus. Add me to your signature to help me spread. Thank you. That was a reallu interesting reply. I had never heard of Helix= for example. My internet connect is pretty rock sold but thanks about the mention os mo= sh. Simon. -----------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e-- --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmXgfYoJkFrvKC74ta6lFiEEXOYF9uqFRn4815bYWu8oLvi1 rqUAABYRAQDIFuQvSuiR6U+KaUTgHwzN8ZaN7LFfPM9GeaP5p43dLQEA6JNA N1BMftm3pVhRBmoJDR6p+03Hx0trK6C7m/PLfgk= =5x5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995-- From nobody Thu Feb 29 12:50:35 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TlrgF3Tw8z5C6rJ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TlrgD6qq3z4NNr; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1709211044; x=1709470244; bh=ongQSZFetJgaRsX8OEddOVSXcrUfcU17hxVibNlUE0U=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=gb8sCltztSd0WkbZ4kJ3TcdPc5zoF1EjyvshRrpWFuHmgmEC6QVBcRXOoydKb9hrC RkE5EoVs+iYB59VzoBI7Akcup+i3H/pREpmGJg+UaGLM7Lhn+6ywrA51m4SBjyCX7L vWK2oph3xhxO4rgKNP/V8WIDn0K7Y9CmEnwThAGWyhQPs4Wzn1DqE8+4YNyEGa7Ure Oh7+nzS48TQzo6fBz56oM6yh/n++4lCJF2Vcg/Uu4FGQZKUfDHFdeWt4xHhjqOcq5i S2XBv91dhp8dKk/uAIIEAjq2EJ/4UEJGWg4G9f/DdgPL2T1HKKTN1wlHKq1vX6L50J TeKUyXRnCMXwQ== Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:50:35 +0000 To: Alexey Vyskubov From: Simon Connah Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: <8kgWaMVLQfVPdhmRkh3T-WGZstgZua_5iYfJYL4ooIecXZwZq00xpYeOkFodtKwxfOGlUInlt5Ttz4A9R4ae85RGRX1M1vyrukwj65VwjYY=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 24074989:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlrgD6qq3z4NNr This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e -----------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Wednesday, 28 February 2024 at 19:01, Alexey Vyskubov wrote: > = > = > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:29:42AM -0700, Modulok wrote: > = > > > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I= can't > > > > install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMwar= e Fusion > > > > Pro). > = > = > I have a headless FreeBSD server. I mostly do development with vim (I > have used it for like 25 years, switching, ahem, from emacs -- and it > helps) running in tmux (I have used screen before but about 10 years ago > I've made a mistake to look into its source code -- and since then I'm > using tmux and made a point never look into its sources). > = > For connection I normally use SSH, and sometimes VNC (with Xvnc running > on FreeBSD side). I can use both options on my iPad (with Blink and > Rvnc); actually, I'm writing now on iPad, with SSH connection to > FreeBSD. > = > I have several scripts/aliases to make working with tmux easier (think > listing sessions; show menu, allowing to choose to which session to > attach; something for tmux new -A -s ). To make working with > = > vim easier in terminal over SSH I use such options as colorcolumn, > numbers, rnu. I also use t_* settings in vim to make cursor of different > color and shape in different modes. I use "set -o vi" in my shell, and I > use starship prompt (some people strongly dislike it, by the way). > = > Useful thing, if your SSH connection is unstable, is mosh. > = > > is my daily driver. I write code in the `helix` text editor running in= side > > `tmux`, itself inside the `alaccrity` terminal emulator (which you wou= ldn't > > have if developing remotely). > = > = > I had a brief affair with helix, couple of months, and it did not fly > for me. I use alacritty as well and it works reasonably well over VNC > (keep in mind that though my connections usually -- not always -- over > WiFi, they are normally inside the same house). > = > > vim-like experience with far less configuration out of the box. Like > = > = > Well, helix has modes. Experience is quite far away from vim, though I > know what you mean. > = > > `neovim` it has built in LSP support and will use installed LSP server= s > = > = > I never found a compelling reason to switch to neovim. I have started to > use LSP in vim a couple years ago with coc.nvim (yep, it works in plain > vim) plugin. > = > > I've run VS code in the past, > = > = > ..and it works reasonably well over VNC. > = > > want to get in deep with X11 forwarding > = > = > While I prefer VNC, I had remote X servers connected to FreeBSD, it is > not that difficult. > = > > You can use these in `vi`, `vim`, `neovim`, `helix`, and there's even = a > > plugin for `VS code` that supports them. > = > = > There is a VS Code plugin which connects to real neovim and uses its > engine, so it's not just emulation. > = > I can only approve learning vim way of editing, and not because of time > saving. It is very convenient, when you get used to it. > = > P.S. vim has a ton of options for programming, see things like makeprg, > errorformat, quickfix list, integration with tags. You definitely want > to know how to use 'make' and 'ctags' programs. > = > -- > Alexey > I cannot receive HTML mail at this account. > Hi, I am a signature virus. Add me to your signature to help me spread. Thank you. That was a reallu interesting reply. I had never heard of Helix= for example. My internet connect is pretty rock sold but thanks about the mention os mo= sh. Simon. -----------------------0d1efc8dd7ca68e8ab7bc56f70d5345e-- --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmXgfYoJkFrvKC74ta6lFiEEXOYF9uqFRn4815bYWu8oLvi1 rqUAABYRAQDIFuQvSuiR6U+KaUTgHwzN8ZaN7LFfPM9GeaP5p43dLQEA6JNA N1BMftm3pVhRBmoJDR6p+03Hx0trK6C7m/PLfgk= =5x5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------6ce363b7b9d06e09cc91f4d0289dd0ad3cbc52f9799d77c76c140f1a1c194995-- From nobody Thu Feb 29 12:51:18 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlrh66y0Sz5C7PF for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tlrh54kj4z4PqF for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 41TCpIQx001691 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:51:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: <28ad9625-fa04-4f4a-add2-e3eab96da299@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:51:18 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: ATTO ExpressSAS 12Gb SAS GT Model HBAs support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.86 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.78 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tlrh54kj4z4PqF Hello. I've been offered such an adapter and I'm wondering if it's supported. They claim to have a FreeBSD driver: > https://www.atto.com/downloads/207/ However, that's for 12 an 13, not 14. For this reason (among many others) I'd like to avoid such a binary blob. Is anyone using this card? Does anyone know which chip it's based on (since the manufacturer seems to want to keep this information secret)? Any driver in src that would support this? I'm not interested in RAID features: I'd use it for ZFS and LTO-9. bye & Thanks av. From nobody Thu Feb 29 12:54:16 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlrlf5bkTz5C7jL for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4322.protonmail.ch (mail-4322.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tlrlf2KPVz4T49 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1709211275; x=1709470475; bh=t7eomEpCaGTpQKveG2XauLAk9rSPUD6J35TWrxov2Z0=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=iPGlV6hdw+wgAIyKo2LXq0vLmsfE2/yyh5hu2UOO6zk68X9K9303F62k/0trWIyhw bxhAbEbP4HSACL3o6Al4/J4j2RkngwC3exgybbB8qUktE+yKY4yVA+hsRO0BwGbip9 /h80sSEguvP2XS3cArvczprfKSaAx3tPnH+6N8P3MWNOO2E6/wd48A2TUatvxugaok smVrPHA6kWfElZqnnIPfxNp2XmukxF1i2/IlFHCjpDUnnQIuSkeArDhQQgq5YBFGkL YMO+5xPUP/eelbJqJIbGIb2a8Yyh0LR11KgB9ai56kizQ8V/Kpzz8g3qqpY5Yv1J8w gqQOQkoksrKRw== Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:54:16 +0000 To: Pete Wright From: Simon Connah Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <6-vIFoipZvllLfrAwkIMmQ72B1mFYwcw7IRtdlG0JxM_2y5iN2WPWwMF1PVY8YWHw4jrx270Rg3PlA2qaVeJIPyudjoOhd-kdGd1Bt0M7m4=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 24074989:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------b5ff9e7ed4eda299d9f4ff8094a023caf0329c4038963b0e1c9648e8172f7c86"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tlrlf2KPVz4T49 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------b5ff9e7ed4eda299d9f4ff8094a023caf0329c4038963b0e1c9648e8172f7c86 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------8fd02b87f9c1c2d3aa0e5ff8881fce22 -----------------------8fd02b87f9c1c2d3aa0e5ff8881fce22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Wednesday, 28 February 2024 at 22:22, Pete Wright = wrote: > = > = > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 04:30:22PM +0000, Simon Connah wrote: > = > > I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best pract= ices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac Studio but I= 'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning t= hem is going to take some time. > > = > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can= 't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fus= ion Pro). > = > you might want to take a look at UTM which is a pretty slick virtualizat= ion framwork for recent macOS. it uses the native macOS hypervisor, and li= ke KVM under linux uses Qemu to drive things. I've found it to be pretty p= erformant and have actively researched using it to aid with local applicat= ion development environments. > = > https://mac.getutm.app/ > = > i think there may be some gaps on running graphics under FreeBSD, but it= should give you a usable FreeBSD to hack on. You can snapshot the VMs too= which may be helpful. > = > as far as development best practicies and workflows i think it boils dow= n to what you are trying to work on. but generally speaking i see no reaso= n why you couldn't use your favorite IDE on your mac, commit changes to gi= t, then pull in the changes and build/test on your FreeBSD system. there i= s even support for CI workflows using Cirrus CI (https://cirrus-ci.org/) i= f that is of interest for you. > = > hope this helps, > -pete Thank you. That was interesting as well. I do have UTM I haven't really us= ed it but maube I wll now. My primary usage for UTM was to emulate x86_64 = and run Windows apps. But it didn't go well. I'll try it in virtualisation= mode. Simon. -----------------------8fd02b87f9c1c2d3aa0e5ff8881fce22-- --------b5ff9e7ed4eda299d9f4ff8094a023caf0329c4038963b0e1c9648e8172f7c86 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: ProtonMail wnUEARYKACcFgmXgfmwJkFrvKC74ta6lFiEEXOYF9uqFRn4815bYWu8oLvi1 rqUAAKYtAQCy5xUfvIfC8+8wjQtReI49jyx5+9aUviEVnCgnTSqwpAD+IDE9 C93Skn9zBu7OL6yVjmRZYuT/Q/ZE1lym25qBgww= =1fqo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------b5ff9e7ed4eda299d9f4ff8094a023caf0329c4038963b0e1c9648e8172f7c86-- From nobody Thu Feb 29 13:01:24 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tlrvs5nzdz5C7dK for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tlrvs52QYz4Vgd for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1709211704; x=1709470904; bh=3zlkA4KmSzp1pz4Lxa0dcyl9Aw65hcQeEWImjuhI5N8=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=trTzgXMSDa20HPaWcINUIf2gZR4uKJ5rI8apluGvXcWmYa8UNgsHEP3eVKOPqFlE+ GA16LcsW5k+ZU2UmupTsuAP/yHGbZCiopBeg6b+lUJiulOAMzyNpCRkUFkYhz5nE5Q 1/UwdH5zAmYFFtHDkiZ/Jg52PKGwbZZNiOnUjhl7R6XWoxJ1nPnd4KtV7cLTsWrx/z LqCew/3EnfIXRtltiinpLCjBv7xEO7CkYCbGCUUl30MYtm1jOKjGksSYCD9tn5LtMC PVOCQHJcAxMoul9jQ0wOj9l1N2wEivXlJyW2dDuY/IfxUbfz5NHULAUkojMmk8Qukn 8Rk3/Q2hpDyjg== Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:01:24 +0000 To: Lexi Winter From: Simon Connah Cc: Doug Hardie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> Feedback-ID: 24074989:user:proton List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------89af70ad9c29dd6f409d766652e27608a197f82fa4f610362dab3bf93a8280eb"; charset=utf-8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.43.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tlrvs52QYz4Vgd This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------89af70ad9c29dd6f409d766652e27608a197f82fa4f610362dab3bf93a8280eb Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------8cb0a79a066e9fb22b356406aed1cd55 -----------------------8cb0a79a066e9fb22b356406aed1cd55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 On Thursday, 29 February 2024 at 01:07, Lexi Winter wrot= e: > = > = > Doug Hardie: > = > > [...] I have run FreeBSD 13 on a M1 Mini for awhile to test it out. I > > have recently been using Raspberry Pi 4s as they are cheaper, smaller, > > and use less power. They are a bit slower for disk access, but > > otherwise just as powerful. > = > = > i have to say, having used both an M1 Mac Mini and a few RPis for > several months now, this doesn't match my experience at all. the RPi4 > is certainly pretty decent, especially for what it costs, but the CPU > performance of even the base M1 Mac Mini is so far ahead of the RPi4's > that there's really no comparison. > = > i've done plenty of desktop development work on an M1 Mac (mostly C++ > and C# projects) and while the performance of the base model isn't > amazing, it's perfectly usable. on the RPi, on the other hand, i find > the CPU is too slow to even compile ports usefully[0]. > = > i only mention this because i wouldn't want someone to disregard the > idea of using an M1 (or later) Mac for FreeBSD simply because they found > the RPi too slow--they really have very little in common other than > using the same ISA. > = > regards, lexi. > = > [0] yes, i did enable powerd. I'm planning on upgrading my M1 Max Mac Studio and get an M3 Ultra Mac Stu= dio instead. That should have a massive on speed. Also I'd love some RPi 5's but I really have any space of them. That is wh= y I like the Mac Studio because it is nice and small. 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Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b648f60612851119" X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlsF43Kcrz4Y6Y --000000000000b648f60612851119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable uname -r says 13.2-RELEASE-p10 I checked that, should have mentioned it. freebsd-update fetch does what I expect but not with the cron argument. On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 4:03=E2=80=AFAM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > paul beard writes: > > I am seeing these messages from a freebsd-update cron job: > > > > Fetching metadata signature for 12.4-RELEASE from > update1.freebsd.org... done. > > > > but I am running 13.2-RELEASE-p10. If I run freebsd-update by hand, it > seems to know what to do: > > > > Fetching metadata signature for 13.2-RELEASE from > update2.freebsd.org... done. > > > > my freebsd-update.conf file is untouched. What is it looking at to > > pull 12.4? > > It uses `uname -r`, which normally does `sysctl -n kern.osrelease` but > can be overridden by the UNAME_r environment variable. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000b648f60612851119 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
uname -r says
13.2-RELEASE-p10

I= checked that, should have mentioned=C2=A0it.=C2=A0

freebsd-update fetch does what I expect but not with the cron argument.= =C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 4:03=E2=80=AFAM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgra= v <des@freebsd.org> wrote:
=
paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> writes:
> I am seeing these messages from a freebsd-update cron job:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Fetching metadata signature for 12.4-RELEASE from u= pdate1.freebsd.org... done.
>
> but I am running 13.2-RELEASE-p10. If I run freebsd-update by hand, it= seems to know what to do:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Fetching metadata signature for 13.2-RELEASE from u= pdate2.freebsd.org... done.
>
> my freebsd-update.conf file is untouched.=C2=A0 What is it looking at = to
> pull 12.4?

It uses `uname -r`, which normally does `sysctl -n kern.osrelease` but
can be overridden by the UNAME_r environment variable.

DES
--
Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org


--
Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
--000000000000b648f60612851119-- From nobody Thu Feb 29 14:07:58 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TltNy6lKrz5CFdH for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 14:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tml@seiruote.it) Received: from smtpcmd02102.aruba.it (smtpcmd02102.aruba.it [62.149.158.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtpdh02.ad.aruba.it", Issuer "Actalis Organization Validated Server CA G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TltNw6wnwz4fy9 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 14:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tml@seiruote.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seiruote.it header.s=a1 header.b=cuUgcvwF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=seiruote.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tml@seiruote.it designates 62.149.158.102 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tml@seiruote.it Received: from [192.168.20.100] ([92.246.125.243]) by Aruba Outgoing Smtp with ESMTPSA id fh5JrNRqWRfgpfh5JrdACU; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 15:08:29 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=seiruote.it; s=a1; t=1709215709; bh=OCuKrq2tkgcWoPBx4YiuFZ2Q/GIL5v/9NGOhvdEGdNY=; h=Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:Content-Type; b=cuUgcvwFsjdOS9oLzyCaEIQZ+XXN/1cgpHLHk93GkUkFMhO8Jv9yJFZogTpI7E1+H jTGK0slvi54TwcdYNVjvpmKuTgqJu1uFckRtYfdoDZLHQ/aOMiUPR2qWyKG4Ds8o+Q Wy3PfA4c4jz2CNkjbL2DSe6p/6cVjz1/aLheNpFO1Uf7m4dlBmBFFVazlJ1c3ozaKl Mgx3jPQOhok1CY77FLNqJOtj/cRSwX7M0EiUouuvYav5kNmLusg9Na6OeN0XoCNnvV Jz0vlGeWeTYzDcIUYiLNoPc0cpD6RxCYEZAicF9dcrGAGU1mYmicO1xkOfXIDnKCoc G7AqIPMAnQXUw== Message-ID: <1683fe81-73ff-4c07-9316-ae77978ab17d@seiruote.it> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 15:07:58 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2R and OpenZFS bug #15933 To: questions@freebsd.org References: <27dc6dbd-2ca0-4385-8281-e6bde086bd13@holgerdanske.com> <87eb268e-9429-414a-a3e6-d2e93eaa2119@holgerdanske.com> <868r33zcys.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Content-Language: it From: tetrosalame In-Reply-To: <868r33zcys.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfAzPN4EYPA5LmaZZx8WSvGRZu3ZZ08dy2qmRzI/xNhWU/YMWpQglA3yZxmASBk7XUKeTcBUbQ8aGBY80UUhqjGCQj1QduP6ilKoYf8AIDHf4m6B+Iy3R BS8nlyxzwt3DcDjveEJA0ndBu5+W9GCujME5O9LD5OQj26iAdIqNspZkgpaf7Wlmz3yEKzD9AYXGVQ== X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[seiruote.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:62.149.158.0/24]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seiruote.it:s=a1]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[62.149.158.102:from]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31034, ipnet:62.149.128.0/19, country:IT]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[62.149.158.102:from]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seiruote.it:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TltNw6wnwz4fy9 Il 29/02/2024 13:12, Dag-Erling Smørgrav ha scritto: > tetrosalame writes: >> Maybe, mine (ours?) is just a *perception* problem. It seems to me >> that OpenZFS shows a different "attitude" from what FreeBSD users are >> used to, more akin to the Linux way of doing things: > > It's all in your head. The core OpenZFS developers are the same people > who worked on ZFS at Sun and Illumos. Stop reading Phoronix. Glad to hear that. 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Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:25:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:25:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Paul Pathiakis To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <1580879693.2645009.1709223955496@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <28ad9625-fa04-4f4a-add2-e3eab96da299@netfence.it> References: <28ad9625-fa04-4f4a-add2-e3eab96da299@netfence.it> Subject: Re: ATTO ExpressSAS 12Gb SAS GT Model HBAs support List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2645008_932363318.1709223955495" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22103 YMailNorrin X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TlxRW29Tdz40xg ------=_Part_2645008_932363318.1709223955495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have an LSI/Broadcom 3008i.=C2=A0 It works wonderfully on 6 SAS drives us= ing ZFS RAID-Z2.=C2=A0 It's pretty darn fast. As for Atto.... unknown.=C2=A0 LSI has had good drivers for a lot of their = cards for a very long time.=C2=A0 You might try to get one on e-bay. However, free is free.=C2=A0 Check it out and see if it work.=C2=A0 Always = nice to add a new 'known working' driver/hardware and I'm sure someone in t= he storage arena will port their 'driver' to fit it. Paul On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 07:52:25 AM EST, Andrea Venturoli wrote: =20 =20 Hello. I've been offered such an adapter and I'm wondering if it's supported. They claim to have a FreeBSD driver: > https://www.atto.com/downloads/207/ However, that's for 12 an 13, not 14. For this reason (among many others) I'd like to avoid such a binary blob. Is anyone using this card? Does anyone know which chip it's based on (since the manufacturer seems=20 to want to keep this information secret)? Any driver in src that would support this? I'm not interested in RAID features: I'd use it for ZFS and LTO-9. =C2=A0 bye & Thanks =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 av. =20 | | Virus-free.www.avg.com | ------=_Part_2645008_932363318.1709223955495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I have= an LSI/Broadcom 3008i.  It works wonderfully on 6 SAS drives using ZF= S RAID-Z2.  It's pretty darn fast.

As for Atto....= unknown.  LSI has had good drivers for a lot of their cards for a ver= y long time.  You might try to get one on e-bay.

How= ever, free is free.  Check it out and see if it work.  Always nic= e to add a new 'known working' driver/hardware and I'm sure someone in the = storage arena will port their 'driver' to fit it.

Paul

=20
=20
On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 07:52:25 AM EST, Andr= ea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> wrote:


Hello.

=
I've been offered such an adapter and I'm wondering = if it's supported.

The= y claim to have a FreeBSD driver:

<= div dir=3D"ltr">However, that's for 12 an 13, not 14.
For this reason (among many others) I'd like to avoid such a binary bl= ob.

Is anyone using th= is card?
Does anyone know which chip it's based o= n (since the manufacturer seems
to want to keep = this information secret)?
Any driver in src that = would support this?

I'= m not interested in RAID features: I'd use it for ZFS and LTO-9.
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
  bye & Thanks
    av.


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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:59:46 -0800 References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> To: Simon Connah , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <18286739-0CB1-4973-9192-9952AB0424F4@sermon-archive.info> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tm4rt2Zl9z4sC8 > On Feb 29, 2024, at 05:01, Simon Connah = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I'm planning on upgrading my M1 Max Mac Studio and get an M3 Ultra Mac = Studio instead. That should have a massive on speed. >=20 > Also I'd love some RPi 5's but I really have any space of them. That = is why I like the Mac Studio because it is nice and small. The M3 Studio has great disk performance. I don't have access to the = RPI 5 yet. A customer is supposed to deliver one to me for his = application, but not so far. The RPI form factor is pretty much the = size of 2 decks of cards - on on top of the other. The most = inconvenient aspect is that the power and internet connectors are on = different sides which makes housing multiples a bit difficult. -- Doug From nobody Fri Mar 1 06:22:17 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TmJ0b001Pz5C09c for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 06:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamelingdaniel@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TmJ0Z0YGmz4gct for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 06:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamelingdaniel@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=ZOqG+Gvf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tamelingdaniel@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::331 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tamelingdaniel@gmail.com Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-412c780464dso2084265e9.0 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:22:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709274139; x=1709878939; darn=freebsd.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=du5Z9BOHB1i8T5+czklapY1foHbo3SfHWI16c13fi0E=; b=ZOqG+GvfnGLkUbGCwoNwwwpmfLDqia7zhwkiRRJq0KT4nwh+L60WGTvfIa6BSxjkjx ojv1GAIWGN27N/Kq4Witrz5u23qOpDs5YNTZdeDQr7WzHHktUSTup89TYWuczdSEmEMN tCFS4ANIrphxqOnGRXbVXkod18s9l2E8wBCvL1Q3iLqpVYzUmxpYeLbOmq9XoqJ0IvyR nfFYdiUOn+cxMTPAX/iK8wgkCqX0hGmZT7Y4PJB81a0UUikD121YAul1O4T4p1nQucl+ 9bX0pWwPIW63fZ++tt6X8cI7yH7zD1eMF8PNTw/vlM2I9fRltVDhSMdFLNdEozQ16giy 0U6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709274139; x=1709878939; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=du5Z9BOHB1i8T5+czklapY1foHbo3SfHWI16c13fi0E=; b=jChJ/8EwqN0dyUTovtGjBqPTY98/y+9eztkX340MvOeS80oKwTg6RUyltkRrFFX5fO 6ONFBxZvqRbsHoevhJXlk4Zv2jVSG7v/IaMYIlDSuPjk50PQaDZq5opJb9pnNF0z/SpT rq8o9PPAr6XYwlf8j3Uy6OhtxJ+rmqcvQBxTQy/a91yD8w+ShGHzODNaZzUAGX0OnAWz ZH/g6DeDe8BiMNKg7AK2eu2FxXc+z1Q2CGc+ArPVKFLtxiJ6w11iHgArD6PB7LqhCayd k+Z3CVy8BYxxfNxHjH0g4eTK0NrzS0eZhA8L6V0u6YC3IuBU1p7a3TlZbX8S7P5prV7E SlTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxoWrAbfsPyIDemhXoRHKReU9na242lFMuSJW4bTYgUPDSbyldP d6zN+4iWQCFPrB0Nq4Fbbpz+dycQLV4Ywe+FFJ0+bR4O2gQ82LNHIDRpSl8vshU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGlih6DIGdPtmYB3GZlMVRo7Q78B1fjBqA2jq7LlXOwug7bz6XpLByhUViHYkIIT05wcvngmQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4682:0:b0:33d:f883:4fad with SMTP id u2-20020a5d4682000000b0033df8834fadmr470663wrq.15.1709274139454; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (200116b80d760700cde06bc524eeb84b.dip.versatel-1u1.de. [2001:16b8:d76:700:cde0:6bc5:24ee:b84b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ck12-20020a5d5e8c000000b0033d2541b3e1sm3767749wrb.72.2024.02.29.22.22.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:22:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 07:22:17 +0100 From: Daniel Tameling To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2R and OpenZFS bug #15933 Message-ID: References: <27dc6dbd-2ca0-4385-8281-e6bde086bd13@holgerdanske.com> <87eb268e-9429-414a-a3e6-d2e93eaa2119@holgerdanske.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87eb268e-9429-414a-a3e6-d2e93eaa2119@holgerdanske.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.94 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.944]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TmJ0Z0YGmz4gct On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 06:08:14PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > > OpenZFS bugs #15526 and #15933 appear to be integration bugs that involve > the (Linux) kernel, GNU coreutils, and ZFS. The test case involves setting > up a Portage system for Go on Gentoo Linux (?) and examining files manually > for zeroed holes where non-zero values should be. I do not know if the test > case can be run on FreeBSD, if there is a test case for these bugs on > FreeBSD, or if the bugs do not apply to FreeBSD because the kernel is not > Linux (?). Bug 15526 worked as follows: If you have a recently modified file and read it, you get the correct data. But if you ask ZFS if it contains holes there is a tiny window when gives you the wrong answer. Coreutils changed the defaults of cp for the latest major release, making it ask for holes. Go enters the picture as when it was compiling stuff it was copying a lot of recently modified files and some of the copies ended up with holes they shouldn't have had. The probability for this was very low but it was reproducible. The nasty thing about this was that the checksums were correct as they were computed for the new files. So several things needed to come together: 1) recently modified files, 2) copy them almost simultaneously while 3) looking for holes. Even then it was relatively rare to hit the bug, which is why it remained undetected for so long. Here is a write-up of the person that fixed the bug containing all the gory details: https://despairlabs.com/blog/posts/2023-12-25-openzfs-data-corruption-bug/ > > > Does this new OpenZFS bug [#15933] affect FreeBSD 13.2R? > > > > [#15933] mentions using block cloning which 13.2R does not include or > > support on the base system. Though a pool may have that enabled, I > > thought it was still disabled with a sysctl (that I hope never goes > > away even when 100% bug free; its important to be able to rewrite > > data on disk when desired). I am not sure if the bug is only produced > > when block cloning is enabled or if block cloning just brings out a > > different bug. Until the bug is properly 'debugged' or further > > diagnosed, it would be hard to say what systems reproduce the issue > > and under what conditions. > > > So, is my data safe on up-to-date FreeBSD 13.2R ZFS with native encryption > disabled? > It's safer than on FreeBSD 12 but nobody will give you any guarantees. -- Best regards Daniel From nobody Fri Mar 1 15:48:35 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TmXZ74bjKz5Cbgt for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TmXZ652kgz4H22 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 15:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 421FmZIX043050 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:48:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 16:48:35 +0100 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Need help porting with CARGO_FEATURES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.86 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.79 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TmXZ652kgz4H22 Hello. I'm using net-im/signal-cli (and of course it's dependency net-im/libsignal-client). These port tend to get outdated (as in "not working anymore") pretty fast, as the protocol changes upstream. What we have in port tree was dead long ago; I provided a bug report with an updated version (#276037), but that's not working anymore either. So I'm trying to port a newer version of libsignal-client (0.39.2). I've got it compiling via standard "make", but failing in Poudriere. I think I've pinpointed the cause, but I don't know how to solve. Starting from the beginning... Libsignal-client is written in Rust and so uses Cargo to build. It has a gob of dependencies and cargo handles well all but one: their own version of "Boring". Boring has a subproject "boring-sys", which depends on "boringssl" from Google. Some previous work on the port solved this by downloading both of them and copying files from the latter to the former. Fine. It works with "make". However, when switching to Poudriere, comes another trouble: boring-sys tries to update itself via git and this cannot obviously work in a confied jail. The fragment of build.rs code is: > if cfg!(feature = "no-patches") { > println!( > "cargo:warning=skipping git patches application, provided\ > native BoringSSL is expected to have the patches included" > ); > } else { > ensure_patches_applied().unwrap(); > } So I guess I need to tell him not to update. I tried "CARGO_FEATURES=--no-patches" and "CARGO_FEATURES=no-patches" in the makefile, but I end up with: > error: none of the selected packages contains these features: --no-patches I'm very ignorant on this... Maybe no project accepts "no-patches", but only a *sub*project? Is there a way to specify such an option within the current port framework? Or should I just use post-patch target to manually hack that file? bye & Thanks av. 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That is an interesting article. I like the diagrams -- they remind me of a data structures course. I am also reminded of an operating systems course -- specifically: shared resources, critical sections, and thread-safe programming techniques. Failing to solve the mutual exclusion problem correctly in the design is going to result in race conditions in the implementation. The article discusses concurrent operations, but only implies concurrent design. I suspect this is where the root cause of the OpenZFS bugs is to be found. >>>> Does this new OpenZFS bug [#15933] affect FreeBSD 13.2R? The article states: "Another reason cloning was implicated was that the bug had been seen on FreeBSD." So, I conclude that all FOSS OS's with FOSS ZFS were affected by the bugs, are still affected, and will remain affected until the root cause(s) are fixed. >> So, is my data safe on up-to-date FreeBSD 13.2R ZFS with native encryption >> disabled? >> > > It's safer than on FreeBSD 12 I agree that running an EOL OS becomes more unsafe every day. So, FreeBSD 13.2R for sure. I am having tough time choosing between OpenZFS (low probability, catastrophic severity bugs) vs. GEOM RAID (giving up ZFS next-generation features). > but nobody will give you any guarantees. Of course. David From nobody Sat Mar 2 00:08:08 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TmlfZ1PDyz5DJP1 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 00:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TmlfY2vd5z4PKr for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 00:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=nGdJKY7j; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=panix.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com Received: from rain.cave (c-73-142-21-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.142.21.0]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TmlfP5LJrzyv9 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:08:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1709338093; bh=lw4HT2FB/t/o86xzBdYwVWp4gCdISSSFbO71C/SHbIg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=nGdJKY7jaI8FHbH1/ClN4kJ/9TNLQDLaJuiE0fTcKl6Gl7zKqksfD5WpKd3tBHD2p nqsXsWwfHEdW3H6wzd0OG5TxuXccnLguY4bqdRw56gnkfQ3nXeAjSPGVLJeWq2Hu6p mJ+ptlnb/okHhK9OXEw0qufw20WLaVtjLTxm03cc= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 19:08:08 -0500 From: Kurt Hackenberg To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 13.2R and OpenZFS bug #15933 Message-ID: References: <27dc6dbd-2ca0-4385-8281-e6bde086bd13@holgerdanske.com> <87eb268e-9429-414a-a3e6-d2e93eaa2119@holgerdanske.com> <5f24be71-67d5-4069-953f-2f86baa54d8d@holgerdanske.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f24be71-67d5-4069-953f-2f86baa54d8d@holgerdanske.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.12 (2023-09-09) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[panix.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.1.64/26]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[166.84.1.89:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TmlfY2vd5z4PKr On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 02:04:01PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: >>Here is a write-up of the person that fixed the bug containing all the >>gory details: >>https://despairlabs.com/blog/posts/2023-12-25-openzfs-data-corruption-bug/ ... >I am also reminded of an operating systems course -- specifically: >shared resources, critical sections, and thread-safe programming >techniques. Failing to solve the mutual exclusion problem correctly in >the design is going to result in race conditions in the implementation. >The article discusses concurrent operations, but only implies >concurrent design. I suspect this is where the root cause of the >OpenZFS bugs is to be found. That article sounds like there was no mutual exclusion around the dirty lists. It says the bug they found was fixed, but doesn't say how. 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Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Doug Hardie , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20240228223745.DACE0841EA7D@ary.qy> <870AB939-4B51-42B6-9D41-57BF2010500B@sermon-archive.info> <26A740CF-D8C1-4DFA-8BD4-55996EB65A8A@sermon-archive.info> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PTlg2oczKpbIo93C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <26A740CF-D8C1-4DFA-8BD4-55996EB65A8A@sermon-archive.info> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.50 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.187.47.194]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[le-fay.org:s=thyme]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[le-fay.org:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[le-fay.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[le-fay.org:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tmmwz1Nj5z4Sfg --PTlg2oczKpbIo93C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Hardie: > > i've done plenty of desktop development work on an M1 Mac (mostly C++ > > and C# projects) and while the performance of the base model isn't > > amazing, it's perfectly usable. on the RPi, on the other hand, i find > > the CPU is too slow to even compile ports usefully[0]. >=20 > That is not surprising. cc uses a lot of disk I/O, and that little > microSD is extremely slow. Replace it with an external SSD and move > everything to it. this is not just about disk I/O; the M1 CPU is simply much, much faster than the RPi4's CPU. to provide some concrete numbers, i did a quick benchmark using primegen[0]. on my desktop, an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (amd64) running 15.0: % time ./primespeed 10000000000 >/dev/null =2E/primespeed 10000000000 > /dev/null 3.66s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 3.6= 79 total on an RPi 4 running 14.0-RELEASE-p3: % time ./primespeed 10000000000 >/dev/null =2E/primespeed 10000000000 > /dev/null 21.65s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 21= =2E647 total on a base (8-core) M1 Mac Mini running Darwin 23.2.0: % time ./primespeed 10000000000 >/dev/null =2E/primespeed 10000000000 > /dev/null 4.27s user 0.00s system 96% cpu 4.4= 22 total this is a single-core benchmark, so we can conclude that an M1 performance core is nearly as fast as a Zen 3 core, while that same M1 code is 5 times faster than an RPi 4 core. and bear in mind that in addition to its 4 performance cores, the base M1 has another 4 efficiency cores. again, my point is not to put down the RPi, which is a great piece of hardware for what it is -- only to point out that, performance-wise, the RPi and the Apple CPUs are really not comparable. regards, lexi. 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In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TmnsJ5bTMz4Yx5 It appears that Lexi Winter said: >on an RPi 4 running 14.0-RELEASE-p3: > >% time ./primespeed 10000000000 >/dev/null >./primespeed 10000000000 > /dev/null 21.65s user 0.00s system 99% cpu 21.647 total > >on a base (8-core) M1 Mac Mini running Darwin 23.2.0: > >% time ./primespeed 10000000000 >/dev/null >./primespeed 10000000000 > /dev/null 4.27s user 0.00s system 96% cpu 4.422 total >again, my point is not to put down the RPi, which is a great piece of >hardware for what it is -- only to point out that, performance-wise, the >RPi and the Apple CPUs are really not comparable. Considering that the RPI costs about $50 and a Mac Mini is $600, I'd say the RPi is a a lot of computer for the price. It's 1/10 the cost for 1/4 the speed. But I'd still prefer the Mac for this application. Life is too short, etc. On the other hand, I'm planning to put a PoultryCam out in the chicken coop, and the RPi is perfect for that. From nobody Sat Mar 2 01:54:55 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tmp1X4Pnxz5DRgq for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 01:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Received: from thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (THYME.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [81.187.47.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tmp1X2MyFz4ZyC for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 01:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (IRIS.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::6]) by thyme.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45A9D; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 01:54:55 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=le-fay.org; s=thyme; t=1709344495; bh=gBCqqT5L5/bIyAOPReweObzixe/dFlDxfgYGScie1m4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=fJdblT0j8xd+KIoJyntXAIymOapMoQyBYkLBt5Nb3LA4amaDex5yX72TPa4K1YHCL 3K+UCN7THa1IGKC2NPl/IoZZO8BHPNqoxmPKf/v/aSDIIvJ+2zIF+zlwF9B9I0ryWG pUW6R6DeCCWp1pMQ8kK2dVqXgp/pslQwgOvExvaw= Received: from ilythia.eden.le-fay.org (ILYTHIA.EDEN.LE-FAY.ORG [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 837712C041C; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 01:54:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2024 01:54:55 +0000 From: Lexi Winter To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20240302014746.7EA88844075B@ary.qy> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OSoWNkNzOAhIl0GG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20240302014746.7EA88844075B@ary.qy> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tmp1X2MyFz4ZyC --OSoWNkNzOAhIl0GG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Levine: > >again, my point is not to put down the RPi, which is a great piece of > >hardware for what it is -- only to point out that, performance-wise, the > >RPi and the Apple CPUs are really not comparable. =20 > Considering that the RPI costs about $50 and a Mac Mini is $600, I'd > say the RPi is a a lot of computer for the price. 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[2001:16b8:ddd:5300:3e5:b660:1df3:ec5e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u17-20020a05600c19d100b00412a31d2e2asm7753194wmq.32.2024.03.01.23.39.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Mar 2024 23:39:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2024 08:39:23 +0100 From: Daniel Tameling To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? 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I have a Mac Studio but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning them is going to take some time. > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fusion Pro). > > Looking forward to hearing what other people do. > > Simon. I generally use emacs and at work I use tmux for working on remote servers. The main reason is that I can detach from the session shutdown my laptop and continue right where I left off the next day. I don't use any plugins or have much in my .tmux.conf. I remapped splitting to Prefix+h and Prefix+v, and have some shortcuts for easier movement: # more intuitive keybindings for splitting unbind % bind h split-window -v unbind '"' bind v split-window -h # switch windows using Alt-arrow without prefix bind -n M-Left select-window -t:-1 bind -n M-Right select-window -t:+1 # switch panes using Shift-arrow without prefix bind -n S-Left select-pane -L bind -n S-Right select-pane -R bind -n S-Up select-pane -U bind -n S-Down select-pane -D # move window left and right with Alt-Shift-arrow bind-key -n M-S-Left swap-window -d -t -1 bind-key -n M-S-Right swap-window -d -t +1 The rest is just stuff you find in every tmux setup guide. Just throwing out two options of what I have seen other people do: 1) Mount remote folders locally with sshfs and then use your favourite editor on the machine itself. 2) Connect with x2go to the remote machine and run a desktop environment on the remote machine. 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It randomly crashes. How to request an update for this port? Is it possible to update it manually, if so, how? Thank you all. --0000000000007fb8900612afbdeb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

Having FreeBSD 14 amd64, running owncast however = the current version from the packages/ports is too buggy and it has known s= ecurity weakness. It randomly crashes.

How to requ= est an update for this port?
Is it possible to update it manually= , if so, how?

Thank you all.
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On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFP= M Mark <markbsdmail2023@gma= il.com> wrote:
Hello,

Having FreeBSD 14 amd64, running owncast ho= wever the current version from the packages/ports is too buggy and it has k= nown security weakness. It randomly crashes.

How t= o request an update for this port?

It= 's already been requested but nobody has provided a patch:
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D275190

Cheers.
=C2=A0
Is it possible to update it manually,= if so, how?

Thank you all.
--000000000000bca06d0612b1964a-- From nobody Sun Mar 3 02:44:46 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnR4g03yTz5DSJb for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 02:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TnR4d5z40z56qq for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 02:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=iecc.com header.s=1574e65e3e41f.k2403 header.b=erkBoP11; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com Received: (qmail 87888 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2024 02:44:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=1574e65e3e41f.k2403; bh=URFmHJRLoKETU+bsPMHT4Y2sarStp/LkJJuuYN7Wbck=; b=erkBoP11VOlQV5r6Qt67Lre00uKq+NSBT70HqDgAtFZ9f3LwUw/plmu0F8sqkfuZ0G0QSFhD4oCulr8/zCByDEgwon39BfNRQ0H+v11Re4fE05iguVo4AXBQ07CvGlVlf3x/Cdj/l11S+WAkUds9me6wP5x9/iIP6T9T8hr8m8StoKY/ubhmMJ9lrR5fghTc9uFVlRSua5V35JiMnYQB1xunlWlrb3urmU75Ved+mcw5AWfjLy2QGkA/UgWpCsX2SWViQ/ig04HUFCLAPq6W7fs5rVq05gdcGEQAJuqdCJ2Hkhy9z29AaWgEIJPH7TluwEXR1Hpk5JE3rIOTjpYETg== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 03 Mar 2024 02:44:47 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4720A8455539; Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:44:46 -0500 (EST) Date: 2 Mar 2024 21:44:46 -0500 Message-Id: <20240303024447.4720A8455539@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Is 13.3 out yet? Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[iecc.com:dkim]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.40)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from,2001:470:1f07:1126:0:78:696d:6170:received]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[iecc.com:s=1574e65e3e41f.k2403]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:+]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TnR4d5z40z56qq I just got a note from Amazon Web Services saying that FreeBSD 13.3 is now available and when I look at their catalog of AMIs, there are indeed 13.3 versions for amd64 and aarch64. On the other hand, when I look at the FreeBSD web site, it says that they're doing the final builds and they expect 13.3 will be out next week. Huh? What? What gives? Signed, Confused From nobody Sun Mar 3 08:24:21 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnZcl5bn9z5CHkd for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 08:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [47.181.130.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnZck6DDtz4Q7n for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 08:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bc979@lafn.org designates 47.181.130.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bc979@lafn.org Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TnZcb729Dz2fjSs for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 00:24:31 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Hardie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A562BC18-FC50-46AF-BEDD-5559F5726F4A" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Certificate Verification Message-Id: <33BCB1A1-A1DC-4747-87B0-4E93EFE565FE@sermon-archive.info> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 00:24:21 -0800 To: FreeBSD Questions List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 1.2.1 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.06 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.983]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:47.181.128.0/18, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TnZck6DDtz4Q7n --Apple-Mail=_A562BC18-FC50-46AF-BEDD-5559F5726F4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does SSL_accept actually verify client certificates if they are = presented and if there is a verify_callback function. The man page = seems to indicate it is not verified, and that needs to be done in the = callback. I tried using an expred certificate and openssl correctly = determined it was expired, but the preverify_ok value was still 1 and = the certificate was accepted. The documentation gives the values for = preverify_ok but says nothing about what is checked to determine that = value. I tried to chase down the openssl code, but it is very complex. It = reminds me of the old saying: I can write Fortran in any language. ;-) -- Doug --Apple-Mail=_A562BC18-FC50-46AF-BEDD-5559F5726F4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Does SSL_accept actually verify client certificates if they are presented and if there is a verify_callback function.  The man page seems to indicate it is not verified, and that needs to be done in the callback.  I tried using an expred certificate and openssl correctly determined it was expired, but the preverify_ok value was still 1 and the certificate was accepted.  The documentation gives the values for preverify_ok but says nothing about what is checked to determine that value.

I tried to chase down the openssl code, but it is very complex.  It reminds me of the old saying: I can write Fortran in any language. ;-)

-- Doug

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It all works fine but I had a space eater recently and so have been paying closer attention to space reports than normal - which is why I noticed the oddity that the filesystems in the pool are reported as having more free space than the pool. Why is this ? 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It all works fine but I had a space eater recently and > so have been paying closer attention to space reports than normal - which > is why I noticed the oddity that the filesystems in the pool are reported > as having more free space than the pool. > > Why is this ? Which is right ? > > From zpool iostat -v > capacity operations bandwidth > pool alloc free read write read write > ----------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- > archive 4.38T 2.87T 59 52 880K 1.14M > > One of the filesystems in the archive pool: > > ✓ steve@holdall ~ $ df -H /data > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > archive/data 7.0T 4.0T 3.0T 57% /data ZFS filesystems do not report space in a way that df expects and will result in it giving oddities like a size that appears to adjust as size=used+available and avail=realsize-. Space is further complicated with topics like snapshots, refreservation, compression, etc. zpool also shows space including reserved space that zfs and other tools would not see/report as free while also understanding pool redundancy that is outside the scope of the filesystem. I use `zfs list -ro space archive` a lot though customized output is easily available such as `zfs list -t snapshot -ro name,used -s used`. These keep you looking at what is expected of the filesystem instead of the pool and does so with more knowledge of how ZFS is working. 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It all works fine but I had a space eater recently > > and so have been paying closer attention to space reports than normal - > > which is why I noticed the oddity that the filesystems in the pool are > > reported as having more free space than the pool. > > > > Why is this ? Which is right ? > > > > From zpool iostat -v > > capacity operations bandwidth > > pool alloc free read write read write > > ----------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- > > archive 4.38T 2.87T 59 52 880K 1.14M > > > > One of the filesystems in the archive pool: > > > > ✓ steve@holdall ~ $ df -H /data > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > archive/data 7.0T 4.0T 3.0T 57% /data > > ZFS filesystems do not report space in a way that df expects and will > result in it giving oddities like a size that appears to adjust as > size=used+available and avail=realsize-. Space is further complicated > with topics like snapshots, refreservation, compression, etc. zpool also > shows space including reserved space that zfs and other tools would not > see/report as free while also understanding pool redundancy that is > outside the scope of the filesystem. All of these would lead me to expect zpool to show more space than df rather than the other way round - hence my surprise. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Sun Mar 3 13:23:29 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnjFf5F5tz5CnVb for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 13:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Received: from NAM10-DM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm6nam10olkn2047.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.41.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TnjFd5zpCz42Yf for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 13:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mirror176@hotmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=hotmail.com header.s=selector1 header.b=mOc5YeYL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=hotmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mirror176@hotmail.com designates 40.92.41.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mirror176@hotmail.com; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1") ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=WGXc/Al0Kxq6Xr8tXhmUIJcieUmObsJOdLRXRhysOz5WEXiWgYoRhUv55uqwEHFmxuek10JJA89+D00K2lF/6PZysJmX5s09+fwreeUNBeinjN0PQOg78c07O0qWjTy1ZWWBqfKa6j5DDKJh5EF6kNfOAfOgN1xg/zNdeyYIi8mInIV8nY65GLesyut1E0VGm0dogHAMra2JbcHxf1zOu+GFaEw1nXZIRSGBg9TJXXFoaQGOAvjN98e6tH/W7v89bl1O6AGqbeIlltBzx++ubKWH4vNL4b2Axv4oQHAmS5mEltLpJDnSvaOYk3qmUWpETkNOmjzeqU1oPzO+ssUxRQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=uIIbcOVqussgz52r1jL3edsinq6EUwd+pogUHkBvPtU=; b=f/y2ZuqschntpAuASW+j7YVbbWJUyP4hVv+7JuSNc+2pPDS5GnMd7EAXd7NqnGHGJAswwqpEoIADryo7GAlicJ5zdJ29AKFP0uU+nmciXLeAO0hk4ukBsTSx1FW32QuexPtwTqv7JMxtSEOSKjnHhodYiUwRyx5jIreiV9DoW+AAoGCmipxst3XXDwsXwnsDvZ+Ut64YK/tVs8bSw+n7tRnN/UYsXuoPSi7NEd1m46P8oJUUbud9h5lTsJXHCbxei1E4oNpbqn+OcDCeirPiLwyDjrhxyz2YOc3NTEpk2Hy7OuJXN0+bEgRMKT95AKBxnhXDa8q9xPESqySS1ve6AA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=uIIbcOVqussgz52r1jL3edsinq6EUwd+pogUHkBvPtU=; b=mOc5YeYLwO9nKD/xluawQzrdQnarZHkHITuGxklS2Rha0b+S2Nyz31YlAZuRGs8VNICJylZpQ1viX4jIX3wYHf+yBR99EsG9Jat87gOwP54FTHeFD8ICxh0rmclUn/z4A8myV1Tepn75xEdoH+Gz3wt0aeldCF0SCQlXZ+gwy1HtY283aMnp54fmhJlLQ55vRmKC4WGEMntTJZfTMDzZ7ZOQ6dGQv1eOZpuAiwGwDovjLMvXIeb7ypvoMsnmlnRFY7DCBnj1SEFGZJ+UQHSkWdZZxfpYoUEm5m8isiNWHJZ0PvpZXc8iRRgfXwo24YGsCad6J4F1+LcyJhgC88cosQ== Received: from CO1PR11MB4770.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:94::19) by DS7PR11MB6014.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:8:73::17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7362.21; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 13:23:31 +0000 Received: from CO1PR11MB4770.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e526:b74c:4798:1295]) by CO1PR11MB4770.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e526:b74c:4798:1295%4]) with mapi id 15.20.7362.019; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 13:23:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 06:23:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Is 13.3 out yet? 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Well, not all of Finland, just the academic network (FUNET). Julf From nobody Sun Mar 3 17:46:29 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tnq5635vGz5Byyn for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tnq553t3Sz4bsv for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 17:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=nzUBnlkm; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1709487994; x=1712079994; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=yrBLm+KhnZ3gkVfMWb0Jp+J9Aqv2umSR/BPhB8ykKCg=; b=nzUBnlkmuk32W1W1N4tjGy4A+YhzDIgRL2zvjyGOozMjkvm3kAILhXGPJLNCEgzp7P0pZequ9LvUSUSZX0HehcNx7ef3xSkcukuOjzEKOc4IRhOD1EPT6Zik/mWtg61ipA+BjSplaSzmEWPXxlQRvzwPqIdoWksGXa1gYdyopsk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDUyODAwMDE3ZmUxZjYucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 3 Mar 2024 12:46:31 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 3 Mar 2024 12:46:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.95 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rgpuv-0001kQ-IU for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 17:46:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 17:46:29 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS pool/filesystem space oddity Message-Id: <20240303174629.3135dde7f6b32499f99eef98@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20240303115859.922d34bb2f47b6df9093315a@sohara.org> References: <20240303115859.922d34bb2f47b6df9093315a@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d52800017fe1f6.42594dc57c3aafb2875ce0308ad5232f@email-od.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tnq553t3Sz4bsv On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 11:58:59 +0000 "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > Hi, > > My NAS runs a ZFS pool called archive striped over two mirrored > pairs of 4TB drives. It all works fine but I had a space eater recently > and so have been paying closer attention to space reports than normal - > which is why I noticed the oddity that the filesystems in the pool are > reported as having more free space than the pool. > > Why is this ? Which is right ? Turns out to be due to the difference between df -H and df -h. ✓ steve@holdall ~ $ df -H /data Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on archive/data 7.0T 4.0T 3.0T 57% /data ✓ steve@holdall ~ $ df -h /data Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on archive/data 6.4T 3.7T 2.7T 57% /data Sorry for the noise. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From nobody Sun Mar 3 20:56:31 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnvK426Bpz5CJPr; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 20:57:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TnvK16k9gz42yp; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 20:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=T3qKZ6uv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of marietto2008@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=marietto2008@gmail.com Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5643ae47cd3so5281106a12.3; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 12:57:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709499428; x=1710104228; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=QGMyxPYddGCloH1b9ZXYErmNwRbBWY6kp4i87YzBpNA=; b=T3qKZ6uve/7jfX2GBuAx4nC9UziqglHlX9bCuC1i70swki0L9VFliDApUmTexzvNKf eOhSAvdjhae1dY3Ij79/0UyuuiQK8zWbt9i84/YZpaGIcK3HRaLqof4vywEq8LBFrq70 tNrp5OiGDl3cqUOi89b25hDfT8shcLqudEuDmVPC1lN3tMTm27Z67dxIwKpS1aDza99K ocaw+oiuqzhzF6FeoW0sj4izkNdXpYahXVTMGnZfYNepufOX3QY5OSzigMMg3VvOgo2o msQeUDDRYMh0BU3yxjTaTm2gry0N/IBXo1lL/l2tyvPGWAD1zIqlzed03Ylvo9o73f/9 rDJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709499428; x=1710104228; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=QGMyxPYddGCloH1b9ZXYErmNwRbBWY6kp4i87YzBpNA=; b=oqmTCpY5r72A6ulm1dWBKsWEOjNgYUyKLIT0AUnGXYRfz5OlfS2C0qMHCq0gESB19B r7kS2HTy2lZasS/D7lfOIETtqza06Te4LeLQt0h/LuO+MDScGT873+hLaHXcWo3DS3oS mtApiLbv6oAM2KswH2/0xwX6/XW9mTPyTcJZWn8EhMU94VEFOoTKYtGi82hqJKVH8psK DLIGRc04j6tDY763Y50H1Z+F7lN2icmRJVoQh2vmsfukaM6lcVOWCSPaiYrglUTZOZer 9Egw2z/b7kCEq/8HHt/7uEeFBPhiNSJ9Bki4mAdaQmZYxjbWJfsU2J9Q2KMrf6PMWugz +MIg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUTFAy0kzDC/hSI5Hb7YH8xTxWzBjAnF5APznzfPwta8CcUU9ztVs+37TlJ2rm0WMpGE0wU1xDU2MazmSmqsPIsbW1aiqAZskT+iUrPrOLjsd6AGH00ylMmw6js9626yhHNEpH0reicbEOg X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwdEtmF03cCSNbWHTHcFl0rnq5GQt0O5rPWuHK4gmgO4+sVIZWE lz3DF5PB6ldMJ4AI819PBOChodDwPQwbhqJIXcMJaIXSdZb2RoY4viejqBAmfb15odCx/4f6ivV SvNXmdpMtn2tPjTVZ98MwcHyh40/sdqtq9ZA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGMp1xB8z/7knFJnFRAkW91HDXlrh0g91UttottUVIKNN52t72RpBGYQ7X3dv9r4nc9QzGNqcn5auZywbyRk3s= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:37d6:b0:a45:f05:7e10 with SMTP id o22-20020a17090637d600b00a450f057e10mr1676790ejc.24.1709499427455; Sun, 03 Mar 2024 12:57:07 -0800 (PST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mario Marietto Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2024 21:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: A project is to be able to pass through an nvidia gpu to a Windows vm virtualized with bhyve. To: FreeBSD virtualization , FreeBSD Mailing List , freebsd-hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001e06830612c7dafe" X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52e:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TnvK16k9gz42yp --0000000000001e06830612c7dafe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello. My project is to be able to pass through an nvidia gpu to a Windows vm virtualized with bhyve. I know how to do that,but no one wants to take my idea into consideration. The problem is that Windows gives error 12 (interrupt conflicts) when it finds the nvidia gpu that has been passed through by bhyve. This is the patch needed : https://gitlab.com/Queuecumber/linux-acs-override/raw/master/workspaces/5.6.12/acso.patch Linux does not need this patch anymore because it has been added in the mainline kernel. Different story is Windows. No one can add that code inside the Windows code. But,maybe it can be added inside the bhyve code or that code can be converted in powershell code and run it under Windows. I don't know what's the best method. But I'm sure that it will work. Let me know what you think. -- Mario. --0000000000001e06830612c7dafe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.

My project is to be a= ble to pass through an nvidia gpu to a Windows vm virtualized with bhyve. I know how to do that,but no one wants to=20 take my idea into consideration.=C2=A0 The problem is that Windows gives=20 error 12 (interrupt conflicts) when it finds the nvidia gpu that has=20 been passed through by bhyve. This is the patch needed :

=

Linux does not need this patch anymore because it has been added in the=20 mainline kernel. Different story is Windows. No one can add that code=20 inside the Windows code. But,maybe it can be added inside the bhyve code or that code can be converted in powershell code and run it under=20 Windows. I don't know what's the best method. But I'm sure that= it will=20 work.

Let me know what you think.

--
Mario.
--0000000000001e06830612c7dafe-- From nobody Sun Mar 3 22:03:59 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TnwpL5FFLz5CPhx for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 22:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch (mail-4316.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.16]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TnwpL0gVpz4LPh for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2024 22:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.n.connah@protonmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=protonmail.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=g0Sk7Ptg; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=protonmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of simon.n.connah@protonmail.com designates 185.70.43.16 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=simon.n.connah@protonmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1709503446; x=1709762646; bh=N2YRd/92C2Eeb4H/U+K8w5qNa+jLiryS0KCE/3ZPYng=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=g0Sk7PtgD2muExEJUlWwgeGXPo67+VB4/RVReQ5fqT6Q/2tvcy0kjeHprxN3zt5IG z4Z5FmXmv1xBHX8s2HFq8Dnk8BgZQvCVY/uQbjPFN53UJwQF+T0rE/R4PZNj04qEDz j8/4Mid73gQmR/ZsOfVdKRIUTwN5uv+VZMUooKdeKNGFKvyrB51P2mHbpWFNimVkA/ FRNJF9Q1l0fiOwIxCHfnD/auZO/RWPdvTySCQcIKecX4VaLwP+K0S2XBra1OOiE9Xc +L8+H6eLarMm4J0tvsdKj/MR8199ewVQtfwRZyuqQg+4XLH/tLC8BWSw8gyF2sohTh SgGe7iRGsdZhg== Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2024 22:03:59 +0000 To: Daniel Tameling From: Simon Connah Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remote development with neovim, tmux and SSH from macOS? 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I have a Mac Studio but I= 'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that learning t= hem is going to take some time. > > = > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I can= 't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware Fus= ion Pro). > > = > > Looking forward to hearing what other people do. > > = > > Simon. > = > = > I generally use emacs and at work I use tmux for working on remote > servers. The main reason is that I can detach from the session > shutdown my laptop and continue right where I left off the next day. > I don't use any plugins or have much in my .tmux.conf. I remapped > splitting to Prefix+h and Prefix+v, and have some shortcuts for easier > movement: > = > # more intuitive keybindings for splitting > unbind % > bind h split-window -v > unbind '"' > bind v split-window -h > = > # switch windows using Alt-arrow without prefix > bind -n M-Left select-window -t:-1 > bind -n M-Right select-window -t:+1 > # switch panes using Shift-arrow without prefix > bind -n S-Left select-pane -L > bind -n S-Right select-pane -R > bind -n S-Up select-pane -U > bind -n S-Down select-pane -D > # move window left and right with Alt-Shift-arrow > bind-key -n M-S-Left swap-window -d -t -1 > bind-key -n M-S-Right swap-window -d -t +1 > = > The rest is just stuff you find in every tmux setup guide. > = > = > Just throwing out two options of what I have seen other people do: > = > 1) Mount remote folders locally with sshfs and then use your favourite > editor on the machine itself. > = > 2) Connect with x2go to the remote machine and run a desktop > environment on the remote machine. > = > I don't know whether these two work on MacOS or how difficult they are > to setup. > = > -- > Best regards, > Daniel Thank you very much! I'll have a play around with tmux. From what I can te= ll you can have sessions on multiple virtual servers and just switch betwe= en them with a couple of key presses? 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To: Simon Connah Cc: Daniel Tameling , questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000016a6bf0612c8f50b" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tnx4H6nYQz4NK8 --00000000000016a6bf0612c8f50b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 2:04=E2=80=AFPM Simon Connah wrote: > On Saturday, 2 March 2024 at 07:39, Daniel Tameling < > tamelingdaniel@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 04:30:22PM +0000, Simon Connah wrote: > > > > > > I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the best > practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac Studio > but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that > learning them is going to take some time. > > > > > > > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately I > can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VMware > Fusion Pro). > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing what other people do. > > > > > > > Simon. > > > > > > > > I generally use emacs and at work I use tmux for working on remote > > servers. The main reason is that I can detach from the session > > shutdown my laptop and continue right where I left off the next day. > > I don't use any plugins or have much in my .tmux.conf. I remapped > > splitting to Prefix+h and Prefix+v, and have some shortcuts for easier > > movement: > > > > > # more intuitive keybindings for splitting > > unbind % > > bind h split-window -v > > unbind '"' > > bind v split-window -h > > > > > # switch windows using Alt-arrow without prefix > > bind -n M-Left select-window -t:-1 > > bind -n M-Right select-window -t:+1 > > # switch panes using Shift-arrow without prefix > > bind -n S-Left select-pane -L > > bind -n S-Right select-pane -R > > bind -n S-Up select-pane -U > > bind -n S-Down select-pane -D > > # move window left and right with Alt-Shift-arrow > > bind-key -n M-S-Left swap-window -d -t -1 > > bind-key -n M-S-Right swap-window -d -t +1 > > > > > The rest is just stuff you find in every tmux setup guide. > > > > > > > > Just throwing out two options of what I have seen other people do: > > > > > 1) Mount remote folders locally with sshfs and then use your favourite > > editor on the machine itself. > > > > > 2) Connect with x2go to the remote machine and run a desktop > > environment on the remote machine. > > > > > I don't know whether these two work on MacOS or how difficult they are > > to setup. > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Daniel > > Thank you very much! I'll have a play around with tmux. From what I can > tell you can have sessions on multiple virtual servers and just switch > between them with a couple of key presses? Sounds good to me. Many moons ago the author of tmux made changes such that lines might be missing from the scrollback buffer. This was simply unacceptable to my needs at the time and I moved back to screen. I found tmux superior, but not usable without a complete hitory. It is possible that this is no longer the case and I have had no need for such a tool for over a decade of retirement, but it was and might still be a significant issue for you. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --00000000000016a6bf0612c8f50b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Mar 3, = 2024 at 2:04=E2=80=AFPM Simon Connah <simon.n.connah@protonmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, 2= March 2024 at 07:39, Daniel Tameling <tamelingdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 04:30:22PM +0000, Simon Connah wrote:
>

> > I've just set up a FreeBSD server and was curious about the b= est practices for when it comes to developing on FreeBSD? I have a Mac Stud= io but I'm not used to neovim or tmux at all and I get the feeling that= learning them is going to take some time.
> >

> > What do you use for developing on FreeBSD servers? Unfortunately = I can't install FreeBSD on my machine (well I can but it would be in VM= ware Fusion Pro).
> >

> > Looking forward to hearing what other people do.
> >

> > Simon.
>

>

> I generally use emacs and at work I use tmux for working on remote
> servers. The main reason is that I can detach from the session
> shutdown my laptop and continue right where I left off the next day. > I don't use any plugins or have much in my .tmux.conf. I remapped<= br> > splitting to Prefix+h and Prefix+v, and have some shortcuts for easier=
> movement:
>

> # more intuitive keybindings for splitting
> unbind %
> bind h split-window -v
> unbind '"'
> bind v split-window -h
>

> # switch windows using Alt-arrow without prefix
> bind -n M-Left select-window -t:-1
> bind -n M-Right select-window -t:+1
> # switch panes using Shift-arrow without prefix
> bind -n S-Left select-pane -L
> bind -n S-Right select-pane -R
> bind -n S-Up select-pane -U
> bind -n S-Down select-pane -D
> # move window left and right with Alt-Shift-arrow
> bind-key -n M-S-Left swap-window -d -t -1
> bind-key -n M-S-Right swap-window -d -t +1
>

> The rest is just stuff you find in every tmux setup guide.
>

>

> Just throwing out two options of what I have seen other people do:
>

> 1) Mount remote folders locally with sshfs and then use your favourite=
> editor on the machine itself.
>

> 2) Connect with x2go to the remote machine and run a desktop
> environment on the remote machine.
>

> I don't know whether these two work on MacOS or how difficult they= are
> to setup.
>

> --
> Best regards,
> Daniel

Thank you very much! I'll have a play around with tmux. From what I can= tell you can have sessions on multiple virtual servers and just switch bet= ween them with a couple of key presses? Sounds good to me.

Many moons ago the author of tmux made change= s such that lines might be missing from the scrollback buffer. This was sim= ply unacceptable to my needs at the time and I moved back to screen. I foun= d tmux superior, but not usable without a complete hitory.
=
It is possible that this is no longer the case and I ha= ve had no need for such a tool for over a decade of retirement, but it was = and might still be a significant issue for you.

--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engi= neer
E-mail: rk= oberman@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694= B318AB39EF1B055683
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