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They > come with one onboard gigabit Ethernet port and one low-profile x16 slot > (sometimes also one x4 slot). They can be had on secondary markets for well > below your price point. i did an image search for "Dell Optiplex" and it only returned desktop/tower systems, like this: https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/optiplex.jpeg that doesn't seem to fit the requirement for "small form factor". is there an SFF model line i should be looking at instead? --cfMHg4GV6woQ0NhB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEuwt6MaPcv/+Mo+ftDHqbqZ41x5kFAmYe7/0ACgkQDHqbqZ41 x5l8pQv/eWk3xTpxWhlLZCQd5tfi+/5emZJr2T8+OMj/THpdrvc+s4+3ApBr8bVb LSIe5NKwNBbKY3ZWEZdAUT0olG4+cis336t2HfNYWoTV0OdBWkrTY9+hZhCFMQeB +Cnf/pvtz3KFv1PGrLpAzi9/R5T3SHgDePds0B/lbr1qcIA1Xl6PU8bklBwIcU43 PTWbyJo9HhoQBei7z6Q4dlRWXMsRA9PSbxayF3+rRTw6RkXPJ97q8CFIfeCYYt6Z NX1dqIzWlx/xwpbY0/7kGA4QxGqV5dcFsOkRTRMJT2Dq2ra7urodoQiJdBK2RuiI plwtoXu1xShyY1QlZoZIb4UXVdmfUUkIS90HAZcLjSgo8dmJu+2+oUpkMeCN+Ux/ PUMQK0JQ/q09/40GtFx8QoUxrzdxA2/r7Xrja31FJBgdS70EKRW2xOt4g5/cXfHk W5cxy4YQGSf15Z8+WdTnnEsSGFBUGNw2o1IejPjuNSO0uebzttDvmepFUwOPNlnu 2O+TqZcU =FcpB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cfMHg4GV6woQ0NhB-- From nobody Tue Apr 16 22:41:54 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VJzYr5HS5z5HF7J for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2024 22:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@alexburke.ca) Received: from out-174.mta0.migadu.com (out-174.mta0.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:1004:224b::ae]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VJzYr24C5z4nhG for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2024 22:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@alexburke.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 22:41:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alexburke.ca; s=key1; t=1713307319; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=z8n2E+FUEuNmGr9tXSuR89acRF75RJcV06C/txbxuZc=; b=mjq38xM4A4JKQL2wCWEUT5KDsSwzc6mSZZ3HEuHrz2TK5Eyv28RMJEB5ywiMjhBSWuTd46 AK2Ada/n8xk6403tAbuXKx066fYZqzjZEPGWaxUCEAW0c8eZJoAD3S9fsyf20GNt4phc1E HbsmTzqE3QPs2GBzDg9refhZ277FaSI= X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Alexander Burke To: Lexi Winter Cc: list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <30df4160-a619-4670-9f13-16785eeca2c7@alexburke.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: small form factor router recommendations List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Correlation-ID: <30df4160-a619-4670-9f13-16785eeca2c7@alexburke.ca> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:2001:41d0::/32, country:FR] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VJzYr24C5z4nhG There sure is: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-optiplex-3040-small-form-factor https://www.amazon.com/s?k=3DDell%203040%20SFF They're all over eBay too. ---------------------------------------- 2024-04-16T21:39:24Z Lexi Winter : > list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com: >> A Dell Optiplex with a top-end i5 will do this, and are nearly silent. T= hey >> come with one onboard gigabit Ethernet port and one low-profile x16 slot >> (sometimes also one x4 slot).=C2=A0 They can be had on secondary markets= for well >> below your price point. >=20 > i did an image search for "Dell Optiplex" and it only returned > desktop/tower systems, like this: >=20 > https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/optiplex.jpeg >=20 > that doesn't seem to fit the requirement for "small form factor". >=20 > is there an SFF model line i should be looking at instead? 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They >> come with one onboard gigabit Ethernet port and one low-profile x16 slot >> (sometimes also one x4 slot). They can be had on secondary markets for well >> below your price point. > > i did an image search for "Dell Optiplex" and it only returned > desktop/tower systems, like this: > > https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/optiplex.jpeg > > that doesn't seem to fit the requirement for "small form factor". > > is there an SFF model line i should be looking at instead? 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XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VKDGQ01Dbz4FGs On 4/17/24 07:21, hlyg wrote: > my freebsd 13 is installed at flash disk of dell thin client > > it doesn't work well, i want to remove it > > "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ada0 count=1000 ..." doesn't work, freebsd > doesn't allow > > according to dell manual, i shall be able to enter bios by pressing F2 > before bsd booting so that i can set boot sequence  to boot from usb > disk, but i can't enter bios, pressing F2 doesn't work > > it's not easy for me to open case and dismount disk See "How to Run a Preboot Diagnostic Test on a Dell Computer". I suggest that you run all of the tests to verify that your hardware is working correctly. No operating system can be expected to work correctly on broken hardware: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000181163/how-to-enter-the-built-in-diagnostics-32-bit-diagnostics-supportassist-epsa-epsa-and-psa Then, boot FreeBSD and backup your data. Enter the Setup utility per "How to access the BIOS or UEFI": https://www.dell.com/support/contents/en-us/article/product-support/self-support-knowledgebase/fix-common-issues/bios-uefi Then look for the following page to erase all internal storage devices in the computer: Setup -> Maintenance -> Data Wipe David From nobody Wed Apr 17 08:25:00 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VKDWP6RK0z5J86j for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Received: from mx1.mythic-beasts.com (mx1.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VKDWP0DFbz4H33 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gray@nxg.name) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1rx0c2-0064xS-QV; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:25:51 +0100 From: Norman Gray To: Alexander Burke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small form factor router recommendations Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:25:00 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5964) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30df4160-a619-4670-9f13-16785eeca2c7@alexburke.ca> References: <30df4160-a619-4670-9f13-16785eeca2c7@alexburke.ca> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:44684, ipnet:2a00:1098::/32, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VKDWP0DFbz4H33 Greetings. On 16 Apr 2024, at 23:41, Alexander Burke wrote: > There sure is: > > https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-optiplex-3040-small-form-factor Interesting. Myself, I really wouldn't call that 'small form factor', wh= atever Dell call it. I'd call that just 'a moderately compact desktop'. Looking at the specs [1], it's about 300 x 300 x 100 mm. What Dell calls= a 'micro form factor' machine [2] is about 180 x 180 x 40mm, and even th= at's pushing it: that's easily the biggest thing I'd think of as 'small'.= I'm not sure what I'd take as a definition of 'small form factor', but 's= mall enough to be strapped to the back of a monitor' and 'fanless' or 'a = few Watts' would probably be in there. Aha: of _course_ there's a Wikipedia page about them [3]. It looks like = volume is a key discriminant, with the things I'd think of as 'small' com= ing in under 1 litre. 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geom(4) describes setting kern.geom.debugflags=10 to alter that. > according to dell manual, i shall be able to enter bios by pressing F2 > before bsd booting so that i can set boot sequence  to boot from usb > disk, but i can't enter bios, pressing F2 doesn't work The ability to press a key can be altered in some BIOS configurations. F12 is an alternative on many Dell computers to go to a menu which should offer going to BIOS once it comes up. Either key should be repeatedly tapped just after power on until you get the screen you want or the OS boot loader has been reached or passed; I do not recall seeing a Dell computer that required it be held, nor one that would not enter BIOS if tapping too soon. I commonly just tap F1, F2, F10, and delete to get into BIOS though there are machines with setups requiring F7, F8, F10, Esc, etc. to get in, get to a menu, or temporarily choose the boot device directly. "If" your keyboard has a modifier like fn key then you 'may' need to press it in combination with the BIOS key Some keyboards do not always start fast enough to enter BIOS; try connecting the keyboard direct to the computer instead of a USB hub and try different ports on the back as USB2 vs 3 can make a difference and which USB chipset it is on can too. > it's not easy for me to open case and dismount disk > > From nobody Wed Apr 17 20:10:10 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VKX8N1qZYz5H3BK for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "Telekom Security ServerID OV Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VKX8M5X1Xz4MpH for ; 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But instead of removing it, why not use the installer of the new OS you want to install to your Dell thin client to first remove the existing partition(s), then install the new OS? That approach should be much easier. > it's not easy for me to open case and dismount disk That surely isn't needed. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From nobody Wed Apr 17 21:02:52 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VKYKP2Qfpz5H7v9 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL TLS RSA CA G1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VKYKN6TFbz4VLV for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (ool-18bb68ab.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.104.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by prime.gushi.org (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 43HL38Ub062707 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Apr 2024 21:03:09 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 43HL38Ub062707 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1713387790; bh=W7fhvU+cEeLYUdZR20qzzX82HmkkR2piCP2hEYHo2tI=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; z=Subject:=20Re:=20how=20to=20remove=20freebsd=20when=20it=20is=20r unning|From:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Ports)"=20|In- Reply-To:=20<20240417221010.763153b3.freebsd@edvax.de>|Date:=20Wed ,=2017=20Apr=202024=2017:02:52=20-0400|Cc:=20hlyg=20,=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|References:=20=0D=0A=20<20240417221010.763153b3.freebsd@edvax.de>|To:= 20Polytropon=20; b=oLxjbV56BMuEe9CFiBF5EFwUEjgPEN2Qv/DlXFLo4COwFb1vPCiLyYo8DrbmS5vzI sekNm3w1pefYpgdgT7qdCAhoH2LbgKmohcB/xHeuTmHjrUUiUOw99LQGh02hx4jgME jH9DXS5Q4tTCtuw9ZeIykHzTYQL+zpe8vPC9Cgjq1Rt32jNZxXU6NoGxHxz/wbP2Dg hlTxCBcghbV1KkmtbDXRBlejs0pWYwU3NbFKeTd6CyKtdTfIEytwb1Qp7pE9qJkRbq BgLVRVSOt0VgSFrfYxxh83BhdXY1ixUXH3xGxafD/fqnTZUCO8FIanSyZrI8+/I8iS yEkOfhmqBa54g== X-Authentication-Warning: prime.gushi.org: Host ool-18bb68ab.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.104.171] claimed to be smtpclient.apple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.500.171.1.1\)) Subject: Re: how to remove freebsd when it is running From: "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" In-Reply-To: <20240417221010.763153b3.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 17:02:52 -0400 Cc: hlyg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <74E4B220-4443-4FEE-84D1-714A1C52BE88@gushi.org> References: <20240417221010.763153b3.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VKYKN6TFbz4VLV In the past, when dealing with ancient systems that did not have good = iloms, where I wanted to upgrade but my coworker had (for example) = provisioned too small a / filesystem, I=E2=80=99ve had luck in moving = the MFSBSD binaries into /boot and rebooting =E2=80=94 and then = ssh=E2=80=99ing into the resulting memory-file-system OS and sweeping = the floor under me, but your mileage may vary and you should probably = try this on a VM first. This is absolutely don=E2=80=99t-try-this-at-home-kids networking, but = also, something I would do as a cool presentation at a conference if = someone asked. (I=E2=80=99ll be at BSDCan, I really should have = submitted this). -Dan > On Apr 17, 2024, at 16:10, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 22:21:15 +0800, hlyg wrote: >> my freebsd 13 is installed at flash disk of dell thin client >>=20 >> it doesn't work well, i want to remove it >>=20 >> "dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ada0 count=3D1000 ..." doesn't work, = freebsd=20 >> doesn't allow >=20 > This is intended, because you cannot write to a disk currently > in use by the OS. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> according to dell manual, i shall be able to enter bios by pressing = F2=20 >> before bsd booting so that i can set boot sequence to boot from usb=20= >> disk, but i can't enter bios, pressing F2 doesn't work >=20 > Reboot the system with a FreeBSD live system from USB stick > and then use the dd command to remove the FreeBSD installation. >=20 > But instead of removing it, why not use the installer of the > new OS you want to install to your Dell thin client to first > remove the existing partition(s), then install the new OS? 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Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 --Am+Z/e0f7hCY+m5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, 17 April 2024 at 22:21:15 +0800, hlyg wrote: Your clock is running incorrectly. The message arrived at 17 Apr 2024 06:37:18 +0000, almost 16 hours earlier. This kind of error can lead to your messages being classified as spam. Some nameless spam filter has allowed this one through, but flagged it: DATE_IN_FUTURE(4.00)[7]; > my freebsd 13 is installed at flash disk of dell thin client > > it doesn't work well, i want to remove it > > "dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ada0 count=3D1000 ..." doesn't work, freebsd= doesn't > allow Yes, this is a feature, not a bug. As others have observed, this is akin to sawing off the branch that you're sitting on. Next month will be 25 years since I addressed this in =E2=80=9CThe Complete FreeBSD=E2=80=9D (http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/book.pdf.gz, page 117): How to uninstall FreeBSD What, you want to remove FreeBSD? Why would you want to do that? Seriously, if you decide you want to completely remove FreeBSD from the system, this is no longer a FreeBSD issue, it's an issue of whatever system you use to replace it. For example, on page 63 we saw how to remove a Microsoft partition and replace it with FreeBSD; no Microsoft software was needed to remove it. In the same way, you don't need any help from FreeBSD if you want to replace it with a different operating system. That's still the simplest way to do it, but it is possible to shoot yourself in the foot the way you are trying to do. For that you need to set bits in the sysctl sysctl kern.geom.debugflags. Set it to 16 and it will happily let you destroy your disk contents. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/diary-jul2015.php?subtitle=3DRecovering%20the%20M= icrosoft%20box&article=3DD-20150725-014511#D-20150725-014511 for a blow-by-blow description. > according to dell manual, i shall be able to enter bios by pressing > F2 before bsd booting so that i can set boot sequence=C2=A0 to boot from > usb disk, but i can't enter bios, pressing F2 doesn't work This is clearly not a FreeBSD issue. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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From nobody Thu Apr 18 17:47:03 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VL4wZ6Gmxz5HHMN for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Received: from fuchsia.eden.le-Fay.ORG (fuchsia.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:107::11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VL4wZ40KYz55Yx for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (iris.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::6]) by fuchsia.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DCB907E; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=le-fay.org; s=fuchsia; t=1713462426; bh=x8nazhk1JL0jkZP5QSDt43vAbXLWjm0Hr57NpsFb8Yg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=JhT/lPKLpmGepH2BkywzGWOxsMdHwEDCQ7xMkjvL095qiTgF/ZH40Grl6+n3WlBmh vcrx29J3l4SWE95d6wQLT1Uj1LWbV3Hmdfhl1/LgURYsD4f9uqSWTNRJulErgzg4wS qAqUA2uI3RT6I00/N8atHIpRANNAiAhktfzUVuEU= Received: from ilythia.eden.le-fay.org (ilythia.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98C3D2C0416; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:47:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:47:03 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Kurt Hackenberg Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up a Wireguard router (with FreeBSD) Message-ID: References: <00f7b360407633f787f061b4d15740b9@airmail.cc> <1f5ef9f6-e60d-407f-ab33-c14cc069963d@panix.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vSPQzihOgjZm4Uig" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f5ef9f6-e60d-407f-ab33-c14cc069963d@panix.com> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:2001:8b0::/32, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VL4wZ40KYz55Yx --vSPQzihOgjZm4Uig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurt Hackenberg: > On 2024/03/06 23:37, Lexi Winter wrote: > > be aware that Wireguard on FreeBSD/arm64 is not stable and causes > > kernel panics under load: > >=20 > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D264115 > Fixed. yes, this was fixed in FreeBSD-EN-24.06.wireguard: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-24:06.wireguard.asc or 3705d679a6344c957cae7a1b6372a8bfb8c44f0e for -CURRENT users. 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This move aligns with the US > federal government=E2=80=99s recent initiative to bolster software securi= ty. i would like to know exactly what "transparency" and "trushworthiness" is being provided to Foundation donors which is not provided to the rest of us. can anyone summarise exactly what this "SSDF" includes that is being witheld from normal users like me? cc: core@ since i assume core was somehow involved in this. --cs61EXLVr1GOXnOB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEuwt6MaPcv/+Mo+ftDHqbqZ41x5kFAmYhkPYACgkQDHqbqZ41 x5loQgv9HTIJFJzXi5oLkf+LsU0Ymmt/LPk26Zbq+bXrxXy8qAANSaukGanh3oc7 CDECJ/gPabJ4VQxnTFqYFOGYwwyRlDPAgZ4fan4k7GqKVNNvateWLyG+CjwSWg2R nR5917rP5STSyVKn5LbUn+3YGRRVFVEWDN7i4qIQpzYUBUIeUMv4/5WbSdBMw7df Y3qvBUTB/oRVqC0Gie896FCMH5pGLBFAnxXdvc2DZyzY0SCchvf1LaG2K9f9/Omw PaqaI5pcm1xwzZBfrhmLwKAFOL1BMcJn+R+G5exKUjIUxJbp+OJHKensBBN7St8c MLUw6NOaLS4wu6rGUelIhDnEaJaaLB6Sc9KMK+UgGlWMgxXgyQnLKkQnhMfPf9AL Vm1Rlmys9FkfU3ehAHJx2D1aFkOY4d0ZQta9HXGOg3ZkhMf+SYOmJAM1zQjk2Pyo D9ZN33d9XzznFbSJSxjhgzQmBCpgY0Sl2Rw5xVRYpyLUxEMJ1+TQSijZ99uMyujA pkK6XXLZ =ZxlR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cs61EXLVr1GOXnOB-- From nobody Thu Apr 18 22:06:07 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VLBgV1rVfz5HgKp for ; 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To: Lexi Winter Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a21b0506166d3b79" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2001:4860:4864::/48, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VLPt630Khz4R2P --000000000000a21b0506166d3b79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:30=E2=80=AFAM Lexi Winter wrot= e: > so today i came across this press release: > > > https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-foundation-delivers-v1-of-free= bsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-compliance/ > > "FreeBSD Foundation Delivers V1 of FreeBSD SSDF Attestation to Support > Cybersecurity Compliance" > > this is about some new thing called "SSDF Attestation" which is now > available to people who give money to the FreeBSD Foundation. > > reading the PR, i learned: > > > The SSDF Attestation continues the FreeBSD community=E2=80=99s longstan= ding > > commitment to security by providing transparency and trustworthiness > > in its software development environment. This move aligns with the US > > federal government=E2=80=99s recent initiative to bolster software secu= rity. > > i would like to know exactly what "transparency" and "trushworthiness" > is being provided to Foundation donors which is not provided to the rest > of us. > > can anyone summarise exactly what this "SSDF" includes that is being > witheld from normal users like me? > > cc: core@ since i assume core was somehow involved in this. > There is only one codebase for FreeBSD, IIRC. There aren't special users and normal users. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] --000000000000a21b0506166d3b79 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:30=E2=80= =AFAM Lexi Winter <lexi@le-fay.org> wrote:
so = today i came across this press release:

https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-fo= undation-delivers-v1-of-freebsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-c= ompliance/

"FreeBSD Foundation Delivers V1 of FreeBSD SSDF Attestation to Support=
Cybersecurity Compliance"

this is about some new thing called "SSDF Attestation" which is n= ow
available to people who give money to the FreeBSD Foundation.

reading the PR, i learned:

> The SSDF Attestation continues the FreeBSD community=E2=80=99s longsta= nding
> commitment to security by providing transparency and trustworthiness > in its software development environment. This move aligns with the US<= br> > federal government=E2=80=99s recent initiative to bolster software sec= urity.

i would like to know exactly what "transparency" and "trushw= orthiness"
is being provided to Foundation donors which is not provided to the rest of us.

can anyone summarise exactly what this "SSDF" includes that is be= ing
witheld from normal users like me?

cc: core@ since i assume core was somehow involved in this.

There is only one codebase for FreeBSD, IIRC.
There= aren't special users and normal users.=C2=A0


--
<= div>Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004= /+254 7 2274 3223
=C2=A0In=C2= =A0an Internet failure case, the= #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)
[H= ow to ask smart questions:=C2=A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]
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To: questions@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8jr474NLIaNABsvbNN83Dt8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 19/04/2024 07:30, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 12:30 AM Lexi Winter wrote: > >> so today i came across this press release: >> >> >> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-foundation-delivers-v1-of-freebsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-compliance/ >> >> "FreeBSD Foundation Delivers V1 of FreeBSD SSDF Attestation to Support >> Cybersecurity Compliance" >> >> this is about some new thing called "SSDF Attestation" which is now >> available to people who give money to the FreeBSD Foundation. >> >> reading the PR, i learned: >> >>> The SSDF Attestation continues the FreeBSD community’s longstanding >>> commitment to security by providing transparency and trustworthiness >>> in its software development environment. This move aligns with the US >>> federal government’s recent initiative to bolster software security. >> >> i would like to know exactly what "transparency" and "trushworthiness" >> is being provided to Foundation donors which is not provided to the rest >> of us. >> >> can anyone summarise exactly what this "SSDF" includes that is being >> witheld from normal users like me? >> >> cc: core@ since i assume core was somehow involved in this. >> > > There is only one codebase for FreeBSD, IIRC. > There aren't special users and normal users. > > This is all about having a piece of paper to certify to large (often govenment) organizations that FreeBSD provides a certain standard of security. Which means that FreeBSD or FreeBSD-based products can check off at least one more tickbox in the sort of scrutiny process a big organization will go through before deciding that they can use a particular product. For individuals and small enterprises this sort of bureacratic approach is pretty much irrelevant: I'm happy with the levels of security provided by FreeBSD because I know the people involved and what sort of coding standards, vulnerability management and incident response are in use. That informal reputational trust wouldn't be suitable for a big enterprise, so this is a more formal mechanism to provide the same sort of assurance on a larger scale. Look at it this way: it's a way for large companies or other organizations to pay for something that the rest of us basically get for free... 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List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mario Marietto Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:52:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Trying to virtualize ReactOS with bhyve : I don't see a viable way to do it... To: FreeBSD virtualization , freebsd-hackers , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f0854506167366a7" X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org,freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VLbgf3zBLz4DyD --000000000000f0854506167366a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello. I'm trying to boot the 32 bit ISO image of ReactOS using bhyve or qemu and seabios as bootloader. As first experiment I tried to boot the x86 version of ReactOS with qemu (8.2.2) and seabios (version 1.16.1_1),like this : qemu-system-x86_64 -machine q35 -m 1G -cdrom /home/marietto/Desktop/Downloads/OS/ReactOS/reactos-livecd-0.4.15-dev-7921-g6d853be-x86-msvc-win-dbg.iso -boot order=d Unfortunately,I get the error below : https://ibb.co/tZmFh2x but my real goal is to boot ReactOS by using seabios. Even here I'm unlucky. Infact on this web page : https://eradman.com/posts/bhyve-ipxe.html we can read : *Bhyve is somewhat similar to QEMU-KVM without the emulation required to boot SeaBIOS.* Is really true that I can't use seabios to boot ReactOS with bhyve ? Anyway,ok. I've continued my searching and I found this thread : https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79794/ where we can read : *bhyveload has nothing to do with BIOS. As detailed in the man page you linked to, it is for loading a FreeBSD guest.* So,it seems that I can't even use bhyveload. So,what can I use ? What can I do ? I've gone on the ReactOS forum and I've created a thread where I 've asked how to boot the 64 bit + UEFI version of ReactOS using bhyve. The developers helped me,but in the end we have done nothing. Because after some progress,I found this error : https://ibb.co/N9QHdnp Unfortunately it is frozen when it tries to load the mountmgr.sys driver. Actually unfixed and no one knows how to fix it. Now I'm here,asking for some further ideas and suggestions. -- Mario. --000000000000f0854506167366a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.

I'm trying to boo= t the 32 bit ISO image of ReactOS using bhyve or qemu and seabios as bootlo= ader.=C2=A0

As first experiment I tried to boot th= e x86 version of ReactOS with qemu (8.2.2) and seabios (version 1.16.1_1),l= ike this :

qemu-system-x86_64 -machine q35 -m 1G -cdrom=20 /home/marietto/Desktop/Downloads/OS/ReactOS/reactos-livecd-0.4.15-dev-7921-= g6d853be-x86-msvc-win-dbg.iso -boot order=3Dd

Unfortunately,I get the error below= :


but my real goal is to boot React= OS by using seabios. Even here I'm unlucky. Infact on this web page :


w= e can read :

Bhyve is somewhat similar to QEMU-= KVM without the emulation required to boot SeaBIOS.

Is really true that I can't use s= eabios to boot ReactOS with bhyve ?
Anyway,ok. I've cont= inued my searching and I found this thread :

<= a href=3D"https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79794/">h= ttps://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79794/

where we can read :

bhyveload h= as nothing to do with BIOS. As detailed in the man page you linked to, it i= s for loading a FreeBSD guest.

So,it seems tha= t I can't even use bhyveload. So,what can I use ? What can I do ?
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I've gone on the ReactOS forum and I've cr= eated a thread where=C2=A0
I 've asked how to boot the 64 bit= + UEFI version of ReactOS using bhyve. The developers helped me,but in the= end we have done nothing. Because after some progress,I found this error :=

https://ibb.co/= N9QHdnp

Unfortunately it is frozen when it tries to load the mountmgr.sys driver. A= ctually unfixed and no one knows how to fix it.

Now= I'm here,asking for some further ideas and suggestions.
=
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Mario.
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Content-Language: en-US To: Lexi Winter , questions@freebsd.org Cc: core@freebsd.org References: From: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 4/18/24 2:30 PM, Lexi Winter wrote: > so today i came across this press release: > > https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-foundation-delivers-v1-of-freebsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-compliance/ > > "FreeBSD Foundation Delivers V1 of FreeBSD SSDF Attestation to Support > Cybersecurity Compliance" > > this is about some new thing called "SSDF Attestation" which is now > available to people who give money to the FreeBSD Foundation. > > reading the PR, i learned: > >> The SSDF Attestation continues the FreeBSD community’s longstanding >> commitment to security by providing transparency and trustworthiness >> in its software development environment. This move aligns with the US >> federal government’s recent initiative to bolster software security. > > i would like to know exactly what "transparency" and "trushworthiness" > is being provided to Foundation donors which is not provided to the rest > of us. > > can anyone summarise exactly what this "SSDF" includes that is being > witheld from normal users like me? > > cc: core@ since i assume core was somehow involved in this. core@ was not intimately involved with this (because core@ doesn't have money or spend money), but did ok the FF pursuing this attestation. A quick search on your search engine of choice shows that SSDF attestation is a compliance certification via the CISA agency in the US. If you are a supplier to the US government, you likely need to certify your products before agencies in the US government can purchase them. Normally you would do all that yourself, so if you are selling some product to the US government, you as the supplier have to fork out the money to pay for a certification for your product and its various components. My understanding of this is that the FF has paid actual money (something core@ does not have) to deal with the paperwork of certifying FreeBSD and is willing to share that with donors. So if you donate to the FF you can re-use their certification for the FreeBSD part of your product (you would still need to certify other parts of your product) instead of paying to certify FreeBSD yourself. Presumably the idea is that sharing the cost of the certification is cheaper than each of the donors who need it doing it independently. Note though, this isn't about some secret cabal doing different code changes that are only available to donors, this is purely about paperwork that you may need to sell a FreeBSD-based product to the US government. If you aren't selling products to the US government, you aren't effected and probably don't care. Also note that the Project doesn't control whether or not people choose to get certifications for FreeBSD (and usually such certifications are for a specific version, so each new version requires a new certification). To date we have not tried to place any constraints on who might want to certify FreeBSD as part of a product whether that be the FF or a vendor shipping a FreeBSD-based appliance. If you want to spend your own money to certify FreeBSD, have at it. -- John Baldwin From nobody Fri Apr 19 21:44:54 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VLp8T0kVMz5HpMJ for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VLp8S4NVTz477l; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id xnqkrnxV72Ui5xw2RrS2Vk; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:44:55 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shaw.ca; s=s20231031; t=1713563095; bh=vPsGdw33u+VgK4GYLjNSmJ8r042Jz3Yj+ZJ/D5o9RZY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=LFwXadw9Futhlx/5zF8mMtPPZxk85l61aYTLt/kpIeFyJEj7A0I0gdfxPwrLa4d0D 8N1LBrkfVELSTKtOwRDQTSpftPOCGW5NlO3v3sFEdajAgSIOT3kuqiAQjneZYDQB0v 75goYExoMAkc8LcgTcEKxYiyWSzLHXbA551wWorGwp+WlYkwt0yXow245keDrm8Wzj dK3HMcf53B1GfWNo/o5dVCbnK6nrI0CZBjVyymfxBXr7wdLDt7awclE7V8bDf/v116 G196qnATk21x4Bn2ldozZL5xnnnVKWMMwLzSsynMDQAeVP89yfoMdHyXjwu//79Z3e OGIBdarzprs0A== Received: from cds220.dcs.int.inet ([64.59.134.6]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id xw2Rr9OgUByQrxw2RrjqBr; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:44:55 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=UOF+Hzfy c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6622e5d7 a=9zdlX7M534QhL7mOrorEvQ==:117 a=jw7zIB8jT-pSfsSW:21 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=on0NmgUIp3IA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Rk-M77FJAAAA:8 a=IP17e_1XAAAA:8 a=zQtYmFeZ0pf4JFPXDDgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GAhIxBDjLKe0SSfLgqP8:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=ef1k35tKgZpiIrJ2aQ5N:22 a=pIDkZDmBs-rV6VORH8mB:22 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:44:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Dale Scott To: John Baldwin Cc: Lexi Winter , questions , core@freebsd.org Message-ID: <868244543.174654890.1713563094902.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <0b3d0e98-318f-4807-b4d1-6597af6afd6d@FreeBSD.org> References: <0b3d0e98-318f-4807-b4d1-6597af6afd6d@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: why does FreeBSD only offer trustworthiness and transparency to people who donate money? 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Thread-Index: d/gk+ziYltia3jWP6EMbBLSpI3Q6Lw== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfBC+GHs8gmgf6Cf5yWL+MAl8U4SL/YADvOVbwtoxYeHftN3A7ivuMz6hqH67XsxXE6r+Gr2IuMT6rBNtkzn/WdyW5+R3BwyelzZvwdEtMs3BvuJFF+f6 nx9eYxeWfUgphm+CJbfDahOsvsZHVGW86rl7l7ejp8Uw/pzmN0YV3BFLPYxbwZXz33FY1F+YMLaxuCG6CIO5wj0bAXuqajHtbypskv+E9OleGKhfTZ8SQwn/ Ooe2gD7m3skviCBo6E1M5kLPpZbuQTTe5p6uNNbBgh4= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VLp8S4NVTz477l ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Baldwin" > To: "Lexi Winter" , "questions" > Cc: core@freebsd.org > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 2:55:46 PM > Subject: Re: why does FreeBSD only offer trustworthiness and transparency to people who donate money? > On 4/18/24 2:30 PM, Lexi Winter wrote: >> so today i came across this press release: >> >> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-foundation-delivers-v1-of-freebsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-compliance/ > Thank you John for a very clear explanation. Can you comment if cybersecurity-type attestations may also be available one day? Personally I suspect there are too many variables for a general attestation, but also suspect your opinion will be infinitely more informed than mine. ;-) Cheers, Dale From nobody Fri Apr 19 22:02:53 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VLpZl3qPzz5Hr1H for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpn@neutralgood.org) Received: from gunsight1.neutralgood.org (gunsight1.neutralgood.org [206.196.19.100]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gunsight1.neutralgood.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VLpZk695lz4FHb for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpn@neutralgood.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kpn@neutralgood.org designates 206.196.19.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kpn@neutralgood.org Received: from gunsight1.NeutralGood.ORG (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gunsight1.neutralgood.org (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 43JM2riq032969 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Apr 2024 18:02:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kpn@gunsight1.NeutralGood.ORG) Received: (from kpn@localhost) by gunsight1.NeutralGood.ORG (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) id 43JM2rPM032966; Fri, 19 Apr 2024 18:02:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kpn) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 18:02:53 -0400 From: "Kevin P. Neal" To: Andrei Lascu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions about a symbol in `libc.so` Message-ID: References: <755e1ea7-6102-450a-bf64-bc717129e4ba@gmail.com> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <755e1ea7-6102-450a-bf64-bc717129e4ba@gmail.com> X-No-archive: Yes X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.16 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.861]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13649, ipnet:206.196.0.0/19, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[neutralgood.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VLpZk695lz4FHb On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 02:42:47PM +0100, Andrei Lascu wrote: > Hello again. Just to update my previous question, I did manage to eventually > figure out where the relocation was hidden. I was aware of a number of > relocation that seemed odd, and I put them on the side, thinking I might > either have to figure them later, or they might just be some artifact. Well, > the relocation I needed was hidden among them: > > Relocation section '.rela.dyn' at offset 0x2abf8 contains 2605 entries: > Offset Info Type Sym. Value Sym. Name + > Addend > 0000001d6888 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 13416c > 0000001d6890 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 8b268 > 0000001d6898 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 178108 > 0000001d68a0 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 8b240 > 0000001d68a8 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 15ac9c > 0000001d68b0 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 49b29 > 0000001d68c0 000000000403 R_AARCH64_RELATIV 45bfe > > The reason I thought them odd was because they had no symbol attached to > them, just raw addressed. However, one of these offsets actually did match > what the system loader was relocating against my mystery `__sdidinit`. So > the solution was rather simple, ensure I relocate the addend into the > offset, as there is no symbol value here, and I am on my way. There are > still some odd issues here, like why are these relocations not referencing a > symbol, when seemingly they should, and why it seems these resolve via > `R_AARCH64_GLOB_DAT` at runtime, rather than via `R_AARCH64_RELATIVE` in > `/libexec/rtld-elf/aarch64/reloc.c`, but I think as long as I am making > progress, I'll let these questions get answered another time. I suggest the freebsd-hackers mailing list instead of freebsd-questions. This questions list has a lot of knowledgable people but my impression is this bunch tends to be higher in the software stack. You'll find more people on the -hackers list who can discuss, e.g, the loader and ELF and the like. -- Kevin P. Neal http://www.pobox.com/~kpn/ "14. Re-reading No. 13, I realize that it's quite possible I'm losing my mind. 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From nobody Sat Apr 20 09:41:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VM63q1JmWz5HQjx for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Received: from mail01.ymmv.dk (193-106-164-141.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VM63p1dWKz4K9s for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ymmv.dk header.s=ymmv-mail-dkim header.b="JYIxMF/N"; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk has no SPF policy when checking 193.106.164.141) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk Received: from c02qx0.local (193-106-164-140.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.140]) by mail01.ymmv.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E3B9126F00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:41:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ymmv.dk; s=ymmv-mail-dkim; t=1713606110; bh=qD2fcbD9nGnBKcOBZkYsJQRbLFmJCSbo+LpzgthpUzU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=JYIxMF/NavyX6dW/WlTvbee1mEmBOetvmJUchwp0kOo4LEFnJlim+LFE00ti+YOdc OHit5FdlaANHHM/tZR6IuURWMc/t/FMKLr4xmMwUUDTdO4/zyIBhjUfXigd9lxeEKo mM3s8L5FOVt0LolcN7DOZEyePO60s5bOLaImLRlr5steTqoC4Hc9M8PyHXRxLQSldN f5xfar89rXruBn3C+Cqxh7faQK4sd5QKqDHMAnR/F0wKLAFz/Jx2c4nLh6d6w/Dx/n tMQwpKWazusD+O3uAFbSy6mfRqP2zPUCvT/McBo8pcBwV7NlUqD8ZOnP/Swd9u74WK KZxREDR1ri7gA== Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:41:49 +0200 From: Jon Clausen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: serial, basic stuff Message-ID: List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ymmv.dk:s=ymmv-mail-dkim]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42541, ipnet:193.106.164.0/22, country:DK]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ymmv.dk]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ymmv.dk:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VM63p1dWKz4K9s Hi I need some help getting this figured out, apparently :/ I have two PCengines APU boards ("jh05" and "jh06") - small form factor, headless, with two serial ports each: 0: front mounted DB9 (regular "RS232") 1: header on the board (TTL) Ultimately, I would like to "cross connect" the machines, so: jh05:port0 <-> jh06:port1 jh05:port1 <-> jh06:port0 This way I will have "console" access to either machine, from the other one, which would allow me to make "network interrupting" changes to either system by using the other one for access. Both systems are "identical", and both currently run 13.2-RELEASE Now, I've been using linux for ~25 years, FreeBSD for ~10 - sprinkled with various other unix-like systems on the side during that time - so I'm not a complete newbie. But I have never actually had to work with serial communications very much. Particularly, I have never needed to connect two FreeBSD systems using *actual* serial devices before. Since the ports are different levels (one is TTL, the other is "5V") I thought I'd start out just connecting the DB9 front connectors using a regular null-modem cable. This should minimise the number of things that can go wrong, and once I have this setup working, I can move on to using the RS232<->TTL adapters I have. So, initially, the setup is: jh05:port0<->jh06:port0 I'm using `screen` for the connections, mostly because the keystrokes to kill a `screen` session are not the same as what kills the ssh-connection into the boards. First of all, I'd like some clarification about the tty* devices, versus the cua* devices. Does one use the "cua" device on the "connecting" system? So to connect to jh06, should I expect this to work: jh05:~ # screen /dev/cuau0 Since I have had little success using the serial connections directly, I have used one of my USB<->serial converters. And with this, things seem to be fine. But it does not appear to matter much, whether I use ttyU0 or cuaU0. Both work. If I make a connection like this: jh05:~ # screen /dev/cuaU0 I get the login prompt of jh06. I can then login, break the connection and make a new connection using: jh05:~ # screen /dev/ttyU0 -which then lands me back at the same session on jh06. In practical terms, for my use case, as described above, should I be using the tty* or the cua* device to initiate the connection? 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A google search certainly will provide you more options for others filesystems. My best wishes Eduardo --=20 Eduardo Lemos de Sa Professor Titular Dep. Quimica da Universidade Federal do Paran=C3=A1 fone: +55(41)3361-3300 fax: +55(41)3361-3186 --000000000000437dc20616857d30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear HYG

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 12:10=E2= =80=AFAM hlyg <hlyg2023@outlook.= com> wrote:
i've installed fusefs-jmtpfs

shall i use fusermount to unmount it? which package has fusermount?

does jmtpfs have option -allow-other?


I don=C2=B4t if this technique is the best but I use mou= nt fuse filesystems (NTFS is my main concern):


ntfs-3g -o u+w /dev/da$1s1 /pendrive-$1=C2=A0=C2=A0
=

and, to umount

mount (aim to s= ee what is mounted)

umount (the slice that I know = was mounted with fuse).

A google search certainly = will provide you more options for others filesystems.

<= div>My best wishes

Eduardo
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To: FreeBSD virtualization , freebsd-hackers , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000677a0e0616861d3b" X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.62 / 15.00]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[21]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.38)[0.379]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1030:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org,freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VM9PF1FPcz4CMT --000000000000677a0e0616861d3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UPDATE : I've been able to unfreeze ReactOS on the boot stage. I've just removed the bhyve "-A" offending parameter that can't be used because ReactOS probably does not support ACPI. Now I'm at this stage : https://ibb.co/Dtw8Hj1 Now the problem is that I can't move the mouse inside the vm and the keyboard does not work...so I need to find some workaround to supply the absence of the arbiter... I've thought about using virtio-input and I've added this parameter to bhyve : -s 12,virtio-input,/dev/input/event7 \ I've chosen event7,because I've got it here : [root@marietto /bhyve]=3D=3D> ls /dev/input/ event0 event1 event2 event3 event4 event5 event6 event7 Anyway I also tried event6,event5...it didn't work. Can someone quickly explain how it works ? Is it supposed to work even if ReactOS does not have the arbiter ? More precisely the ReactOS developer said : "Hardware initialization doesn=E2=80=99t occur on UEFI due to missing arbiter support : It means tha= t the hardware (even essential such as input devices) will not work and you may not be able to interact with the system in any way" My idea is to use Barrier to be able to use the mouse and keyboard inside the vm...I will install the server on freebsd and the client inside the reactos vm... Could it work as long as reactOS has a network connection ? Let me know. On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello. > > I'm trying to boot the 32 bit ISO image of ReactOS using bhyve or qemu an= d > seabios as bootloader. > > As first experiment I tried to boot the x86 version of ReactOS with qemu > (8.2.2) and seabios (version 1.16.1_1),like this : > > qemu-system-x86_64 -machine q35 -m 1G -cdrom > /home/marietto/Desktop/Downloads/OS/ReactOS/reactos-livecd-0.4.15-dev-792= 1-g6d853be-x86-msvc-win-dbg.iso > -boot order=3Dd > > Unfortunately,I get the error below : > > https://ibb.co/tZmFh2x > > but my real goal is to boot ReactOS by using seabios. Even here I'm > unlucky. Infact on this web page : > > https://eradman.com/posts/bhyve-ipxe.html > > we can read : > > *Bhyve is somewhat similar to QEMU-KVM without the emulation required to > boot SeaBIOS.* > > Is really true that I can't use seabios to boot ReactOS with bhyve ? > Anyway,ok. I've continued my searching and I found this thread : > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79794/ > > where we can read : > > *bhyveload has nothing to do with BIOS. As detailed in the man page you > linked to, it is for loading a FreeBSD guest.* > > So,it seems that I can't even use bhyveload. So,what can I use ? What can > I do ? > > I've gone on the ReactOS forum and I've created a thread where > I 've asked how to boot the 64 bit + UEFI version of ReactOS using bhyve. > The developers helped me,but in the end we have done nothing. Because aft= er > some progress,I found this error : > > https://ibb.co/N9QHdnp > > Unfortunately it is frozen when it tries to load the mountmgr.sys driver. > Actually unfixed and no one knows how to fix it. > > Now I'm here,asking for some further ideas and suggestions. > > -- > Mario. > --=20 Mario. --000000000000677a0e0616861d3b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
UPDATE :

=
I've been able to unfreeze ReactOS on the boot stage. I've just removed the= bhyve "-A" offending parameter that can't be used because ReactOS probably does no= t=20 support ACPI. Now I'm at this stage :

https://ibb.co/Dtw8Hj1=

Now the problem is that I can't move the mouse inside the vm and the=20 keyboard does not work...so I need to find some workaround to supply the absence of the arbiter...

I've thought about using virtio-input and I've added= this parameter to bhyve :

-s 12,virtio-input= ,/dev/input/event7 \

I've chosen event7,becaus= e I've got it here :

[root@marietto /bhyve]=3D= =3D> ls /dev/input/
event0 event1 event2 event3 event4 event5 event6 = event7

Anyway I also tried event6,event5...it didn= 't work.

Can someone quickly explain how it wo= rks ? Is it supposed to work even if ReactOS does not have the arbiter ?
=
More precisely the ReactOS developer = said : "Hardware initialization doesn=E2=80=99t occur on UEFI due to = missing arbiter support :=20 It means that the hardware (even essential such as input devices) will=20 not work and you may not be able to interact with the system in any way&quo= t;

My idea is to use Barrier to be able to use the = mouse and keyboard inside the vm...I will install the server on freebsd and= the client inside the reactos vm...
=

C= ould it work=C2=A0 as long as reactOS has a network connection ?=C2=A0

<= p>Let me know.

3D""

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.= com> wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to = boot the 32 bit ISO image of ReactOS using bhyve or qemu and seabios as boo= tloader.=C2=A0

As first experiment I tried to boot= the x86 version of ReactOS with qemu (8.2.2) and seabios (version 1.16.1_1= ),like this :

qemu-system-x86_64 -machine q35 -m 1G -cdrom=20 /home/marietto/Desktop/Downloads/OS/ReactOS/reactos-livecd-0.4.15-dev-7921-= g6d853be-x86-msvc-win-dbg.iso -boot order=3Dd

Unfortunately,I get the error below= :


but my real goal is to boot ReactOS by u= sing seabios. Even here I'm unlucky. Infact on this web page :


<= /div>
we can read :

Bhyve is somewhat simil= ar to QEMU-KVM without the emulation required to boot SeaBIOS.

Is really true that I can't use s= eabios to boot ReactOS with bhyve ?
Anyway,ok. I've cont= inued my searching and I found this thread :

<= a href=3D"https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79794/" t= arget=3D"_blank">https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-with-bios-boot.79= 794/

where we can read :

<= div>bhyveload has nothing to do with BIOS. As detailed in the man page y= ou linked to, it is for loading a FreeBSD guest.

So,it seems that I can't even use bhyveload. So,what can I use ? Wha= t can I do ?

I've gone on the ReactOS for= um and I've created a thread where=C2=A0
I 've asked how = to boot the 64 bit + UEFI version of ReactOS using bhyve. The developers he= lped me,but in the end we have done nothing. Because after some progress,I = found this error :

https://ibb.co/N9QHdnp=

Unfortunately it is frozen when it tries to load the mountmgr.sys driver. A= ctually unfixed and no one knows how to fix it.

Now= I'm here,asking for some further ideas and suggestions.
=
--
Mario.


--
Mario.
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This is a fatal error by default, but cryptography supports running without legacy algorithms by setting the environment variable CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY. If you did not expect this error, you have likely made a mistake with your OpenSSL configuration. If I run the command from the command line, it works as expected. I did place the following in the environment: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1 I have the latest version of OpenSSL installed: OpenSSL 3.2.1 30 Jan 2024 (Library: OpenSSL 3.2.1 30 Jan 2024) Why is this failure only when I run the command from CRON, not the command line? I Googled this problem and found this solution: vi /usr/local/bin/certbot after import sys: import os os.environ['CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY'] =3D '1' Before I do something that might compromise my system, I want to confirm that this is how to correct the problem. This is the present content: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- import re import sys from certbot.main import main if __name__ =3D=3D "__main__": sys.argv[0] =3D re.sub(r"(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$", "", sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(main()) When inserting the new text, do I remove everything after =E2=80=9Cimport s= ys=E2=80=9D? I still do not understand why this error only happens from CRON. From nobody Sat Apr 20 14:37:11 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMDcV0ZSGz5Htvv for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMDcT1mttz4gQV for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=netfence.it header.s=202401 header.b=jtehMTak; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.18.1/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 43KEbB6f081128 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:37:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202401; t=1713623831; bh=EyDb8RE7Xlw9rAc0f8xIXm1e5VKYOc9BH3rzv25W/2s=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=jtehMTak3RP3TgN3n6tjtSq1pvMZjLoXOdYzdRgD0+BPh/aUwJLOt04OE8IVA1wEf 0ue6ubHSKsYDVx0Ie0LAQmdTzq/vcTDt/WCEbT9jr535YbEHUOK8ht9e1V2tamy9KY GNdqV0S8lN7oc5+I/8L6+QXjBSrqUw5bH6pEGsBA= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: <727b1267-181e-4fd5-8f3c-648d3a1a2b53@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:37:11 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: XFCE shutdown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[netfence.it:s=202401]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[netfence.it:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMDcT1mttz4gQV Hello. Up to 13.2 my laptop would work fine WRT to this, but since I upgraded to 13.3, when I shutdown through XFCE shutdown dialog, the machine does not power off: all goes blank, but then I have to press the power button. "shutdown -p now" works though. What can I check? bye & Thanks av. From nobody Sat Apr 20 14:42:10 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMDkD5vwgz5HvN9 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMDkD0Wkqz4j79 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=netfence.it header.s=202401 header.b="0Uhi/QyV"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 78.134.96.152 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.18.1/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 43KEgAS5082077 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:42:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202401; t=1713624130; bh=WBUBILOFg2blyksIcge5zKqXo+QFUKTolWb3Fm1n5CM=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=0Uhi/QyV44t9hq1Lv4qu3mkTFrUniaoWe1F26SsBwcIcL+VlKADgOlx4f2i07n+JD QKo2RJTgmhjsI6ft6nT+uTChIR25Jt9qE34on+wX72zIPeXvpWZUzewJUTnZcfMIBI Fpeu75j+fv8pXWW032pEJs0cLCVfk592CXZvtmxM= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: <06ff00e2-e256-4592-acb9-0d8059fb7fdb@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:42:10 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: XFCE shutdown Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <727b1267-181e-4fd5-8f3c-648d3a1a2b53@netfence.it> From: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: <727b1267-181e-4fd5-8f3c-648d3a1a2b53@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.134.96.152:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[netfence.it:s=202401]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[netfence.it:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMDkD0Wkqz4j79 On 4/20/24 16:37, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > "shutdown -p now" works though. Sorry. Checking furher, "shutdown -p now" doesn't work reliably anymore either. bye av. From nobody Sat Apr 20 15:34:31 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMFtg64Kvz5J12Z for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMFtg2P5pz4q2j for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 18427 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2024 15:34:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=47f56623e089.k2404; bh=4MqMnrj12gEneihFOyDmjq45rQ2cEBi3shrUutJyx80=; b=HiML5uD9aXegRh12mj1HGzDVHJbPkJg7QnyR38YxSZ20ERrqK8FXmGtFZQAx8OaVSClXk2qmt+7gLtzmhm1UF2corgBzfdjhFhf7K9OMPTFWZlYl1oM8OU4HnM58SLTJI7VFp8LrNnmTaNCU/yB28JHVEWhNXr2N4P849DFWmiMgcSFvMqlz3xQjGqOXpMDJl8r2OD5uEVbtb9rjHDZG41d/9L3PbN/fJt2hgyLE4Ofpg0ZfQJWtHbMiM6gHcM4UE8xugQYxik9OVqkuFPglXqBco0K/esh8y24tabGVkGA5x4JUj41djCHiS+nuExYyqJPdr4RZiBwPPagwRSp+Aw== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 20 Apr 2024 15:34:32 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 671268909CE2; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: 20 Apr 2024 11:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <20240420153432.671268909CE2@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: jerry@seibercom.net Subject: Re: certbot In-Reply-To: <20240420091633.00002f24@seibercom.net> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMFtg2P5pz4q2j It appears that Gerard E. Seibert said: >If I run the command from the command line, it works as expected. I did >place the following in the environment: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=1 >I still do not understand why this error only happens from CRON. Most likely because that variable is not there. Cron uses a standard rather sparse environment. See "man 5 crontab". In this case rather than messing with the script, just set the variable on the command line in the crontab, e.g. 0 1 * * * CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=1 certbot ... 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Content-Language: en-US To: Dale Scott Cc: Lexi Winter , questions , core@freebsd.org References: <0b3d0e98-318f-4807-b4d1-6597af6afd6d@FreeBSD.org> <868244543.174654890.1713563094902.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> From: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <868244543.174654890.1713563094902.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 4/19/24 2:44 PM, Dale Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Baldwin" >> To: "Lexi Winter" , "questions" >> Cc: core@freebsd.org >> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2024 2:55:46 PM >> Subject: Re: why does FreeBSD only offer trustworthiness and transparency to people who donate money? > >> On 4/18/24 2:30 PM, Lexi Winter wrote: >>> so today i came across this press release: >>> >>> https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/freebsd-foundation-delivers-v1-of-freebsd-ssdf-attestation-to-support-cybersecurity-compliance/ >> > > Thank you John for a very clear explanation. > > Can you comment if cybersecurity-type attestations may also be available one day? Personally I suspect there are too many variables for a general attestation, but also suspect your opinion will be infinitely more informed than mine. ;-) I have no idea on that currently. In general attestations / certifications are drive by someone who needs them (e.g. a vendor selling a product that requires an attestation for specific customers). The Project itself doesn't really do any of those directly. -- John Baldwin From nobody Sat Apr 20 19:55:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMMh93lzZz5JMpg for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMMh936p3z4QnX; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1713642953; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=yPz/A2RctCgIXKxZm63kK58DegYENrOtFsN/FPaktIw=; b=O4RAoTm7A96QwYgc1tK9u6FKf20TubhFVawxy9MpKxjRm7PXi9lUt28R3Sjdu5vwd4ixKi /BGq6cUojZgjViPmBdl5n9bihjX42WbWB8SSft8dPp54mPwUQd+19Q2aMxPYxwAMR8Zbrt LDI+SVpETVHOUd4W0wqies7RG9E4JUYrlB61MijRfFhD1dp1JZE8K6oZsbtJvVBs2QmmAf 7qty9HeeftxptZ8Uoko0Csei6p7T8NohK9shTDB3spcYWim/0GTLdbPxPx6RKoHmbIzBbD BWuh9qDygLoWOC+CHb7HXe/RgVXxEjPMroWBL1PYBvcS/EsngrZ5XzuydMgXKw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1713642953; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PPA1rF1mJZL6t0oWirCWBC1Ss4tEt3neGWiYWYXf6JSxGyqbpsBiC5xyldCbIxS7KHMSe2 MsAUBYu/0rMCo0a5s1p72fXHMZR3eklL2ov0NqPSNolV2ln35EKjrbKN7IyLETQyQN8Eu7 DdDTu1K6MDRR4OxPlDRqgXO5xLZzYJ8q6DF7ZMldKpajT9eeFBcAwoeks1n0aoEgaLfPg+ pRClYL+kiq95XU5g8szXOoEKpB5mHd+6nlCMyCMt2xGieE109uINWQ9Vo4EUIYjpugBb4o G1fPPHQ9s+kg018QjPkQ4QYhMv/DQ9QDFY2EZ/L9tnWGqFUQjqYJMAwOzHIUlQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1713642953; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=yPz/A2RctCgIXKxZm63kK58DegYENrOtFsN/FPaktIw=; b=cyE8b7rRvYgELE1CpH396J8+MPgyrYwDyqmh3xKAJEswzsWcyY1Gf9GS81xnOvGkqYLZ/E viDGJyscXqRz/5MYEpOSpGh/+FwHgFNrk0Gi0faO2tciaNhTWU+3mH13fZqpEhBFfMNsic 0rRAHOtkHqMu8pcnDMLL5TxVEPGsLtC8m8tFTqO6eU7k4b+sLSS6KbBC1BQQvDQDO5RIz2 mDT/X5mRCdnVW9WO1pwjIX3rKZurjkB7+pjjwLI+5YOCIDYo6OtTc7kuPsmRIfhCg2hryX exDyEhUhGu+TaxygbRe5TGZEr5akbaMZAMDyMqkIanw2H9LakfEZqOVYcSfhSg== Received: from ltc.des.dev (2a02-8428-0993-f001-922e-16ff-fef1-acef.rev.sfr.net [IPv6:2a02:8428:993:f001:922e:16ff:fef1:acef]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4VMMh91m9JzF93; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2A25A1F04F; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:55:49 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Jon Clausen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial, basic stuff In-Reply-To: (Jon Clausen's message of "Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:41:49 +0200") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 21:55:49 +0200 Message-ID: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jon Clausen writes: > In practical terms, for my use case, as described above, should I be > using the tty* or the cua* device to initiate the connection? cu / tip / screen / minicom whatever on the client side uses /dev/cuaU*, getty on the server uses /dev/ttyU*. 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Seibert writes: > > If I run the command from the command line, it works as expected. I did > > place the following in the environment: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY= =3D1 > > I still do not understand why this error only happens from CRON. > > Most likely because that variable is not there. Cron uses a standard > rather sparse environment. See "man 5 crontab". > > In this case rather than messing with the script, just set the > variable on the command line in the crontab, e.g. > > 0 1 * * * CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1 certbot ... Even simpler: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1=20 @daily certbot renew --apache put this in, say, /etc/cron.d/certbot. 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I run it as I always have, since release 11 or so. 00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew --renew-hook 'service nginx reload' Will I need to change that? Do the folks at EFF know/have they documented what changed and how to manage it? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 8:35=E2=80=AFAM John Levine wrote: > It appears that Gerard E. Seibert questions@freebsd.org> said: > >If I run the command from the command line, it works as expected. I did > >place the following in the environment: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY= =3D1 > > >I still do not understand why this error only happens from CRON. > > Most likely because that variable is not there. Cron uses a standard > rather sparse environment. See "man 5 crontab". > > In this case rather than messing with the script, just set the > variable on the command line in the crontab, e.g. > > 0 1 * * * CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1 certbot ... > > R's, > John > > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000003d132c06168de5a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The meta question for me and perhaps=C2=A0others running F= reeBSD 13 is what changed and how do we prepare for it if we expect to run = certbot in FreeBSD 14? I run it as I always have, since release 11 or so.= =C2=A0

00 00 * * Sun =C2=A0 pyt= hon -c 'import random; import time; time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)&= #39; && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew --renew-hook 'service ngin= x reload'

Will I need to change that? Do the = folks at EFF know/have they documented what changed and how to manage=C2=A0= it?=C2=A0

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 8:35=E2=80=AFAM John Levine &= lt;johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
It appears that Gerard E. Seibert <jerry@seibercom.net, questions@freebsd.org>= ; said:
>If I run the command from the command line, it works as expected. I did=
>place the following in the environment: CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY= =3D1

>I still do not understand why this error only happens from CRON.

Most likely because that variable is not there. Cron uses a standard
rather sparse environment.=C2=A0 See "man 5 crontab".

In this case rather than messing with the script, just set the
variable on the command line in the crontab, e.g.

0 1 * * * CRYPTOGRAPHY_OPENSSL_NO_LEGACY=3D1 certbot ...

R's,
John




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--0000000000003d132c06168de5a5-- From nobody Sun Apr 21 01:11:57 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMVj24pP1z5H51G for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Received: from alisa.souji-thenria.net (alisa.souji-thenria.net [188.68.37.165]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMVj16vt2z4s6G for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=souji-thenria.net; s=20231116; t=1713661917; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=amrI1bu+SkyJj0Ci5T8FAgA9cdvd/funnJwcrU+IB/c=; b=Q3B63nt3QPhiaIPuZtNZWemZLrD0Mhh7UdrQ5JbAihK54p/GyXJBUWOC6tyb/rVqqBYc05 ASK98JOUFokyq0fKfhzYqwiexhZhpebMiO8xc2lPfD6VlXrR6dz6bT7sdbHpdGeTR/W5wA ByRoyidXO8jbvxubHMpoZnK8uwTxgsgXFjWo/WXUoCZ6GRhM2yYytxZbFKbqTDjPVPwEfF 4DkIJPJ7vnDVmkZwgWTOjS5emA/+E/GqORl+RFaXLRuJqYzhGjiBQHqL8oAaVT8M0+2mGH NP7n1GFXFVCtazeic1dsq+C2nmLoCKHTElwCWCJ25QsWclUBpJaG3syLaifAHndkeaLox5 AKbKTm1oN1trDq3TiwpT1ICcARkD67xTGi6YAzPDFAmauAChwY+P3AfDGfRxO4GDzuvkZU 6fA7JCl8Xx3VVUdUEyadHz+Qov5/GYPuvy1Le0EWt5RBwwKb3VyRw7LjiZLHLaoCAjxxLr WGDVLAuF1A+zzP9G2jgSw3zz2Fy69YrR57+a3c57dXog/qZC8dpGoMTPHCxGsFA2k/WxNV qXsY1uWwNVbFr3cBeHV5HX4GXePb4BsGfCIxsFDyLb5ybRU6siQQtFkEevDWH7R+IwRfCH JQ0V6fqvrD+orjFOKE1lpHhcq3cVAkKQDx9CwQ0BJx82In1pAbYHs= Received: by alisa.souji-thenria.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 880cab17 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:11:57 +0200 (CEST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=Flowed Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 02:11:57 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: certbot From: "Souji Thenria" To: "paul beard" , "FreeBSD Questions List" X-Mailer: aerc 0.17.0 References: <20240420091633.00002f24@seibercom.net> <20240420153432.671268909CE2@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:197540, ipnet:188.68.32.0/20, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMVj16vt2z4s6G On Sat Apr 20, 2024 at 10:29 PM BST, paul beard wrote: > 00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; > time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew > --renew-hook 'service nginx reload' Hi Paul, Out of pure curiosity: Is there a reason why you sleep for a random number of hours (supposed time.sleep() takes seconds as input parameter) before executing the certbot? Regards, Souji From nobody Sun Apr 21 01:24:15 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMVzM3XKyz5H68c for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMVzL5VjTz3wlD for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a524ecaf215so344905766b.2 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:24:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1713662667; x=1714267467; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nACUQ9mfznYq5E8K1G3AmpOq+akbksciayJR/eiifHY=; b=J5wFYco7hpnBdIuaINY1B2bXu1ehiHTJgCGtWgMsN3wLBgPmyjIFEqBplXkaEB8js4 WJEE44Qb92Lx2TTmGjLWF8b1LScgTnskYhzbjXdgl+eJwzHBdGVgRjDdbFwAZa5sM6Yw pD750hPVrV3Xl8kqa0hrebId5v5BcPFAp41LVwe7sM7FAUBbiAnt870O8U1kS+Qj3CI1 Z5vm9wFqPPEGY/K+Bor4leILcsz6bEqmPQEmKDwZQSz7XlkEwH6mDdu08CSZMTFeTrDs 4524Dv3R1OKb9vPLVXWL4baUJqUcXBW0uwWAiuIdU7u7XgklvkypTan2kKyfpGBO9bql Gv7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1713662667; x=1714267467; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=nACUQ9mfznYq5E8K1G3AmpOq+akbksciayJR/eiifHY=; b=c45bKebo7YAswPjSEr3dtxQcmD5vjv4dVNVvBalwBoFqQneZ1Dl9nrrJ8FipoZM1Tm 6TZys58HUNk9y02Gg/J36zrZWlyVHcJp7gcWhj9m5V/bZkozMZM9Lqi96mjKg9H/5Ju4 uCWbiCoOOFqrpubyN8jVPrE/NRzg3lvHLeK4UGp5putAU+39HUg2QCsUhIzBskgWMp4i 3gGmRn/fAd/zaeE0UhSkeRngLByUn1ohsxW/oP+BUW4LeP0d65J8o9hTDh1w7CHe1okw rGCAH8lJA9sLx+k24wRzq0YK6iBLq/xJdSkGF4lV/KSghznf+uSDT4H5pNnhgzell5SS vmMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywy2TBE5NaqPCJ9F+Zqo7iLW+im2Il9e+9b6Dxjf7hiW8zt8E52 OOykHEo9JiMQhPIvBJnh33rIVMfFaSOr/mBilyhaWi4UN2KqV2aF8s7oL/Ie9EP9+6aJy4pkSFr H6FD9jY3yRCgljPjH9W9yFr2K7G5xLA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGesW5YzQOuTuv/KYcjH9JZX7xTftFFJhyhUdApXXiprvMhIaMF05speEXO9LOFOz+Vr8Uxwgx+yzUkXVieSr4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:f5a5:b0:a55:a6c6:17f4 with SMTP id cm37-20020a170906f5a500b00a55a6c617f4mr664599ejd.4.1713662667173; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:24:27 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240420091633.00002f24@seibercom.net> <20240420153432.671268909CE2@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: From: paul beard Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: certbot To: Souji Thenria Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008ab56a0616912e54" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMVzL5VjTz3wlD --0000000000008ab56a0616912e54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I saw that in the docs=E2=80=A6I could never have come up with that= on my own. I think it's to reduce any spikes (like midnight as it crosses time zones). On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 6:11=E2=80=AFPM Souji Thenria wrote: > On Sat Apr 20, 2024 at 10:29 PM BST, paul beard wrote: > > 00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; > > time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew > > --renew-hook 'service nginx reload' > > Hi Paul, > > Out of pure curiosity: > Is there a reason why you sleep for a random number of hours (supposed > time.sleep() takes seconds as input parameter) before executing the > certbot? > > Regards, > Souji > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000008ab56a0616912e54 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I saw that in the docs=E2=80=A6I could never have = come up with that on my own. I think it's to reduce=C2=A0any spikes (li= ke midnight as it crosses=C2=A0time zones).=C2=A0

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 6:= 11=E2=80=AFPM Souji Thenria <m= ail@souji-thenria.net> wrote:
On Sat Apr 2= 0, 2024 at 10:29 PM BST, paul beard wrote:
> 00 00 * * Sun=C2=A0 =C2=A0python -c 'import random; import time; > time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/cert= bot renew
> --renew-hook 'service nginx reload'

Hi Paul,

Out of pure curiosity:
Is there a reason why you sleep for a random number of hours (supposed
time.sleep() takes seconds as input parameter) before executing the
certbot?

Regards,
Souji



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Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
--0000000000008ab56a0616912e54-- From nobody Sun Apr 21 01:40:44 2024 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMWL73l4Zz5H7cV for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Received: from alisa.souji-thenria.net (alisa.souji-thenria.net [188.68.37.165]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMWL70MmWz40Xm for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=souji-thenria.net; s=20231116; t=1713663645; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=X+Z9iTXx2nMEAEEM7zTnriiPaeoMwGC5GhUqCNhrhIk=; b=SL7u9IiMYEZ1BwQ3/FFawQJQdQar9Uv3Zak3N/I753D7ZLjeF8rZxpa8CR/meLnod1RAlA 0PUXq0xzFJQ51LSY2xPUSSA5URveF799OW2+WQeVVjPuA3rIs8xt22FQ7AS36El0EjBJR0 T7cJoqEy7LHv4FX5A8d/NB7pSaSYeMw5qrP8eC9oP++vER6/f/5sFZi8bfgqiNj8KXBL9U rLEKq5ihHK0lExcLTFKC3N5H+cOSzW9UayF/Q6uVndmcRugta/311LbOYryIlQ6vuNHIwv cjOYjhIdVEOB0Qmw4kEYrAqzBsKID7l0QYy8CgPLh3O5ZMFqCOhodxotktILJVr26PaNIr FqV9cGICJCgxPUm23tzgPKMxTSfNaJN1ApTHjvd1SPvsVMco+UseuZadwVtFLvF00rlGpH aMLJEJJ3/ZaBw6oDLclfkrWIr6U8/fQFJtH92eXq4juKSGFOr9RXGStBOxJP80aFVZPRPw YKBrg6XXS8NjLa4KTQ33LOqMJ8JmfKNbDBM1IS9x3KjgPWz4NJqwQbVZlOiSrujOgrJxkq VDVst8O6TNngKUN5FdhR/2g8abnOyCfVI35/VV/xWhLy/9QhRi0UxvYXKsBZ1iQAxl/2rv fb/1w0HkLxSMRJxY+QLwmIv0Nn1ogIS5d9RlLv9kkptTqKO1UgqmQ= Received: by alisa.souji-thenria.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a91e659d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:40:45 +0200 (CEST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=Flowed Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 02:40:44 +0100 Message-Id: To: "paul beard" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions List" Subject: Re: certbot From: "Souji Thenria" X-Mailer: aerc 0.17.0 References: <20240420091633.00002f24@seibercom.net> <20240420153432.671268909CE2@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:197540, ipnet:188.68.32.0/20, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMWL70MmWz40Xm On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 2:24 AM BST, paul beard wrote: > I think I saw that in the docs=E2=80=A6I could never have come up with th= at on my > own. I think it's to reduce any spikes (like midnight as it crosses time > zones). > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 6:11=E2=80=AFPM Souji Thenria > wrote: > > > On Sat Apr 20, 2024 at 10:29 PM BST, paul beard wrote: > > > 00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; > > > time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew > > > --renew-hook 'service nginx reload' > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Out of pure curiosity: > > Is there a reason why you sleep for a random number of hours (supposed > > time.sleep() takes seconds as input parameter) before executing the > > certbot? > > > > Regards, > > Souji > > > > Oh true, that makes sense. Thanks, Souji From nobody Sun Apr 21 02:43:38 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMXkh4y29z5HDT9 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 02:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMXkh2fVGz46l3 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 02:43:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: (qmail 61012 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2024 02:43:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=ee4a66247d5b.k2404; bh=3jLCYGYzQn6C20cSPM+kTzUNMhYs9jbeDEt5FvmJHNg=; b=Hg/NTux902gyJIcTYMQt7Kh0HQWlCdLqRxM5/C8F2Q6RTLeBEAcaHBM01YuFvHYp+4obtAU5MW+UyCOFJ4N/WQoMWdT2hAt2U3GKCYoM9mN7ShjpfgkRFh8y5C88z9OBp7ecm9p4Es3RZ0c+nPgbRKvQ+kVtlZh3eGZPEIs9gbs15UJPRYbWr/8e0WNG226V5AKSI3rWhgRqT53KFKLYduAopjn7JWskAj9UjFxSH1v2OBvQo54PadBJfZO/ATUH/BY2OYFAyBoRjxA4wbrqoeGD4+aw+HwAnNUMBH/g37VxYdv68T0kaZuqNb5f5+J2eJ4D9H5/00310Dg24RCa7A== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA CHACHA20-POLY1305 AEAD) via TCP6; 21 Apr 2024 02:43:38 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4F7E5891631C; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 22:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: 20 Apr 2024 22:43:38 -0400 Message-Id: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: paulbeard@gmail.com Subject: Re: certbot In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMXkh2fVGz46l3 It appears that paul beard said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >The meta question for me and perhaps others running FreeBSD 13 is what >changed and how do we prepare for it if we expect to run certbot in FreeBSD >14? I run it as I always have, since release 11 or so. > >00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; >time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew >--renew-hook 'service nginx reload' > >Will I need to change that? Do the folks at EFF know/have they documented >what changed and how to manage it? I don't see any reason that won't work, but there are much easier ways to do a random sleep up to an hour, e.g. 00 00 * * Sun sleep $(jot -r 1 1 3600); certbot renew --renew-hook 'service nginx reload' From nobody Sun Apr 21 03:13:46 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMYPk0tQhz5HHNN for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMYPj5czXz4D1r for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:14:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-5196c755e82so4588158e87.0 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:14:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1713669238; x=1714274038; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/ydsLKiKkMcqP53KOFRQeWQuCSk/1Jh4YF4h7zRMYRI=; b=kP8cr3b/aSrA4bkk8iCjJe9sEwCCrvBSyqHh+u49ZVJd+xtbXg38wwKhpK9J41/oe/ AXosiyuTxh9fs78FVEe2WTeZTIsPd4ViH02/ca486S0JGP4CQyBDQol5Elg2b/7tX3Sg 1HdoWgZKVYjS4X36bhbtqgNJ0qsb2zHR45Ps4bcwGSX0ot2ulmlmzVKqPneNfVu0zfYG WZH64KJHemot316AUoVSRzHlJxPMkXozU6qekbSy5PdWR/hrDIPnX4Sgfr9oMhMfEgSq PJnJbG9lgzPkABG8DURIqOVKxWzu51ze4AH0d/8m3qKtxrIFxGAwO7MFczzUPJA/M42j feRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1713669238; x=1714274038; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/ydsLKiKkMcqP53KOFRQeWQuCSk/1Jh4YF4h7zRMYRI=; b=l9a0ChQ/js8Lpg0283Hfvmcn+sikcckeeoTTHwilY05O1JrVY8b8xtxzlhW/NAYwSd J/aKma2hjofs//J+LVD1hl47Qz0NGBlZGGypGaI3v0ErhtvJue1SztyNxkPAEABtONyy 1Bw/RNoSCSgGe22+KuNW0RNk473s1SgHTeTwgFmsz7L0Gl/7xse3B7uY2qWVpfZ3aMMd p1swsgQWadTMyPWEbY73Pg+py1tJoj9NZkaCQlb93dElZgZHU0Dt4vfqSuMRs/xWCKdt uUv6XpMLiJf4EpfJGvkC5gpZ/nOx6lLMcaUQmGzU6//kQoVaQLCRICTsTiO7123wckPQ DB+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxLIwL2gGaB1eg83LLuxvGJtRWKAt4HUr9TQFKX/FwLfqNGFT+K fgHuLvjvs/p+yOsWApvX46+bD//+z10yrYppBtRsGrNLIwBQ/LoruCSgHeZ5dRPAeeOn/6hEOQe QHexKB2q/vmdlFvbWlE0wSWg6VcpRPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEDKuXfqa05hiiYvaVX6DRVS/pkkZEdzFiDOOj1tHm3SvADqGo5dGlhoC/90yIsy7xn75XDBP5/IwN/ov2u7qg= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5f5c:0:b0:516:d0c0:3c5 with SMTP id 28-20020ac25f5c000000b00516d0c003c5mr3627247lfz.24.1713669237581; Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:13:57 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> From: paul beard Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 20:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: certbot To: John Levine Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002b32a8061692b6e3" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMYPj5czXz4D1r --0000000000002b32a8061692b6e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It ain't broke, so I am not inclined to fix it. And that example came from the Let's Encrypt docs so I can circle back to them if I have problems. The question at hand is why OP can't use something as straightforward as what I run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables where I don't? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:43=E2=80=AFPM John Levine wrote: > It appears that paul beard said: > >-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > > >The meta question for me and perhaps others running FreeBSD 13 is what > >changed and how do we prepare for it if we expect to run certbot in > FreeBSD > >14? I run it as I always have, since release 11 or so. > > > >00 00 * * Sun python -c 'import random; import time; > >time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certbot renew > >--renew-hook 'service nginx reload' > > > >Will I need to change that? Do the folks at EFF know/have they documente= d > >what changed and how to manage it? > > I don't see any reason that won't work, but there are much easier ways to > do a > random sleep up to an hour, e.g. > > 00 00 * * Sun sleep $(jot -r 1 1 3600); certbot renew --renew-hook > 'service nginx reload' > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --0000000000002b32a8061692b6e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It ain't broke, so I am not inclined=C2=A0to fix it. A= nd that example came from the Let's Encrypt docs so I can circle back t= o them=C2=A0if I have problems.=C2=A0

The question at ha= nd is why OP can't use something=C2=A0as straightforward=C2=A0as what I= run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables where I don'= ;t?=C2=A0

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:43=E2=80=AFPM John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
It appears that paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> said:
>-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
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>The meta question for me and perhaps others running FreeBSD 13 is what<= br> >changed and how do we prepare for it if we expect to run certbot in Fre= eBSD
>14? I run it as I always have, since release 11 or so.
>
>00 00 * * Sun=C2=A0 =C2=A0python -c 'import random; import time; >time.sleep(random.random() * 3600)' && /usr/local/bin/certb= ot renew
>--renew-hook 'service nginx reload'
>
>Will I need to change that? Do the folks at EFF know/have they document= ed
>what changed and how to manage it?

I don't see any reason that won't work, but there are much easier w= ays to do a
random sleep up to an hour, e.g.

00 00 * * Sun=C2=A0 =C2=A0sleep $(jot -r 1 1 3600); certbot renew --renew-h= ook 'service nginx reload'



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Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
--0000000000002b32a8061692b6e3-- From nobody Sun Apr 21 03:41:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMZ1s6wqQz5HKr2 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Received: from alisa.souji-thenria.net (alisa.souji-thenria.net [188.68.37.165]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMZ1s3TdNz4H8g for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 03:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@souji-thenria.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=souji-thenria.net; s=20231116; t=1713670911; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=To3HTvaxODOq3Q7r/fzw+jLoGT2/nOc0fvvSAse8x6Q=; b=mMPb89yz5VFnJA9omGCpSpUDJt/mYndgle0mhHDvqHTJO1BYEuaSNUw/txFj8e+Iur/t4b jwP16xnfNe6c9LpNoJhcgvjcjtEgswpLV5kLI7GhYCwCvBRmOqXRgh81W3m+0LWIdEFnJg fX/Ao7m1G0SmHZKcb2UYxOUXQOHwjIpj4bJTck0EJyEwdZMHTodoH7bgqvBm3HhLNSewHy 8MaXAMKpUGEsGu9wKHZ5Cxnp6z8JbAnn1G10IKAIzQwcB3B7bJQSxEEAiUWG0UEPtZxUFO S5yHx+4Qg5riS506XNIqiXTkdUX79aBEWWak4GFkW/MGQ3+zrG64WUhuOEgR9OdzbORWWZ ir8sncyPBHnT8Y6VUL6XD5nBnDS16Sg/pTfXnxWSPFgvsdQD6D4D2dn3/ziA3F9BayvKLg /DTZAOjfQ+hZZ5j6VxYG5pxY5e6u6SlrGr9UhlkDLhYOhVIQbId27dLaj3yju+xYspfSz8 2uFDp1W4NLfAwVwcQXqzPJZY/KQRtET5bj+GHwOjpRz1ySfrYphSE6G87KoWrSotzF6xBH dbCYk0r3tA61YY6qINOIhleI7j6cj1b78OomWs9Km1/dDtNODjMdCjytmN2Yz7vxu8wGTx ClcKMGrmrQ6xUOTUekqL14MDBNO0wfZdPsXclKL4YJRGaJ8oeHsTY= Received: by alisa.souji-thenria.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 77453a82 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Apr 2024 05:41:51 +0200 (CEST) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=Flowed Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 04:41:49 +0100 Message-Id: Cc: Subject: Re: certbot From: "Souji Thenria" To: "paul beard" , "John Levine" X-Mailer: aerc 0.17.0 References: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:197540, ipnet:188.68.32.0/20, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMZ1s3TdNz4H8g On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 4:13 AM BST, paul beard wrote: > The question at hand is why OP can't use something as straightforward as > what I run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables where I > don't? FreeBSD 14 uses a newer OpenSSL version, which probably disables some older algorithms that are needed by certbot. You don't have this problem since you are running FreeBSD 13, which still uses the older OpenSSL version and supports those algorithms by default. From nobody Sun Apr 21 09:06:38 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMjDh0jvVz5Hqng for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Received: from mail01.ymmv.dk (193-106-164-141.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMjDg0fvSz4mhw; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from c02qx0.local (193-106-164-140.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.140]) by mail01.ymmv.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3019A126190; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:06:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ymmv.dk; s=ymmv-mail-dkim; t=1713690400; bh=RGGkwLTfUqmZgHZBnz/rJwRpQyFLkojEwV/3IRSd4k8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=LGXwn0RhBjrMflP+dJ1GH1X987+4WQ+Yb/OAykkYiVXlFC202nFGmfPdvIcBKQwIX m3CBB/cxnmOusQ/Fz/k4H+ZarxKJdg3gyyUy1XEG0mB6fz9sDmeK2i1eFmJ4w1S0Yi 4qyYIEwIwOF8MD6y33KaqPYGM+8m0mzwGXYvy4lxXsdprUuX7c54U5M8QpcCqvHDz3 6v8wl2OFlfEx5vcQLRKGCZ1PpOHyZyiodr4V4iKCWzqnw3Lw39YxUGXkYvKhcnG3WA CcodlGKb8JeArbxB39Sg5r5Ne5HqRC0LOPFyz1cixtWlev6FelFw19J2naS6pcLFkq hLTtOd+CLINoA== Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:06:38 +0200 From: Jon Clausen To: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= Cc: Jon Clausen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial, basic stuff Message-ID: References: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42541, ipnet:193.106.164.0/22, country:DK] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMjDg0fvSz4mhw On 2024-04-20 21:55:49 (+0200), Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Jon Clausen writes: > > In practical terms, for my use case, as described above, should I be > > using the tty* or the cua* device to initiate the connection? > > cu / tip / screen / minicom whatever on the client side uses /dev/cuaU*, > getty on the server uses /dev/ttyU*. Thanks - I did suspect this, but it's not obvious (at least to me) even after going through https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/serialcomms/ In the meantime I realised that there is at least one complication with my idea of "the simple setup" (where jh05:port0 <-> jh06:port0) On both systems getty is already 'listening' on ttyu0. So connecting those, gets me this: root@jh05:~ # cu -l /dev/cuau0 -s 115200 /dev/cuau0: Device busy link down root@jh05:~ # `screen` does seem to connect, there's just a lot of stuff flying through the terminal. Scrolling back, however, reveals that it is actually the login prompt from jh05 itself. So I decided to move the experimentations to the onboard 'header' ports instead. Pinout is: 1: 3V 2: TX 3: RX 4: GND 5: 5V dmesg has the same on both systems: root@jh05:~ # dmesg | grep uart uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart0: console (115200,n,8,1) uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 root@jh05:~ # stty says that cuau* settings are identical, on both ports, on both machines stty says that ttyu* settings are identical, on both ports, on both machines I thought it might be as easy as: * connect the ports (pins 2/3 crossed, GND connected for good measure) * run getty on ttyu1 on one system * connect using cuau1 on the other system ...it wasn't. root@jh06:~ # /usr/libexec/getty 3wire ttyu1 root@jh06:~ # ps a | grep ttyu 1314 u0 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty 3wire ttyu0 1342 u1 Is+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty 3wire ttyu1 1362 0 S+ 0:00.00 grep ttyu root@jh06:~ # root@jh05:~ # cu -l /dev/cuau1 -s 9600 Connected As this stage, the terminal just hangs there. Neither system seems to be doing anything So: I presume that this is where I should be looking into the flags/parameters. At least it seems fairly obvious that the lack of connections for the hardware handshakes/clear to send/receive/etc might call for some modification to the defaults: root@jh05:~ # stty -a -f /dev/cuau1.init speed 9600 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl tab0 -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf rtsdtr cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^?; erase2 = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; root@jh05:~ # root@jh06:~ # stty -a -f /dev/ttyu1.init speed 9600 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl tab0 -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf rtsdtr cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^?; erase2 = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; root@jh06:~ # I thought turning off 'rtsdtr' might help, but root@jh06:~ # stty -f /dev/ttyu1.init -rtsdtr followed by restarting getty on the device didn't make any apparent difference. 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Yes, because both systems have a serial console enabled on port 0, so you need to use port 1 to dial out (to port 0 on the other end), or disable the serial console on either or both (add `console=3D"vidconsole"` to /etc/loader.conf, make sure you don't have `-D`, `-P`, or `-h` in /boot.config or /boot/config) and make sure getty is running on port 1 instead (change `onifconsole` to `on` on the ttyu1 line in /etc/ttys). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Sun Apr 21 10:06:39 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMkYz44Ywz5HwRS for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Received: from mail01.ymmv.dk (193-106-164-141.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMkYz1kBDz4tlr; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from c02qx0.local (193-106-164-140.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.140]) by mail01.ymmv.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6C0D1261AF; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:06:40 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ymmv.dk; s=ymmv-mail-dkim; t=1713694000; bh=3KMpumtXmHBKuk34YvZ3p7ZeHBAvXD8rMI5EfUzqMgo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=LcBNOdUU4paHM1Rw3AGGSquCWs2qFe76vwkSa7bqnNl98PhMkkE7QcfInz53jrU1f vXq51DIFu8xZYKIMX793HTPvt5lBYx2yNSTlhplpj9p9G6YZ2Mf0x4F40QwIIIWBbT AisFPqi5+3OiJboGiDqVZs31EFxUphUA7z7nhWRu6wccukSMnCa70XSjmfMVE1AyY4 Dvz6Dt+2nZ/wNGZ3LyVaz3ognCDmpr10uiIprN2njKraLnnAXWOjBebH72+I++lTXV /GqyU9Miw2Qkjh2YcRbH8YXz42Cm/k/CTqR46yKwCdfI2Onx9gd6n/yXPUA5kmbaJZ vasCHCqbXfWug== Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:06:39 +0200 From: Jon Clausen To: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial, basic stuff Message-ID: References: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <86cyqj9i3z.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86cyqj9i3z.fsf@ltc.des.dev> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42541, ipnet:193.106.164.0/22, country:DK] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMkYz1kBDz4tlr On 2024-04-21 11:32:00 (+0200), Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Jon Clausen writes: > > In the meantime I realised that there is at least one complication with my > > idea of "the simple setup" (where jh05:port0 <-> jh06:port0) > > > > On both systems getty is already 'listening' on ttyu0. > > Yes, because both systems have a serial console enabled on port 0, indeed > so you need to use port 1 to dial out (to port 0 on the other end), well that's what I'm aiming for once I get everything sorted. The reason I wanted to use "like" port to begin with, is that the two ports are different, both in terms of which lines exist, but also (especially) they are different power levels. So this complicates things, because I need to insert a RS232/TTL adapter, which then introduces more "unknowns" to the equation. > or > disable the serial console on either or both (add `console="vidconsole"` > to /etc/loader.conf, make sure you don't have `-D`, `-P`, or `-h` in > /boot.config or /boot/config) and make sure getty is running on port 1 > instead (change `onifconsole` to `on` on the ttyu1 line in /etc/ttys). I think I'd rather leave the port0 setup as is, and just use port1 (on both systems) for now. This means I'll need to get getty set up on one side, and make the connection from the other side. Once I have a working setup like that, I can then start working towards the port1(client) to port0(server) setup br /jon -- YMMV From nobody Sun Apr 21 12:13:41 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMnNQ6hJfz5J5ym for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pkagan@videotron.ca) Received: from alt41.smtp-out.videotron.ca (alt41.smtp-out.videotron.ca [23.233.128.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vl-vm-csp357.ip.videotron.ca", Issuer "int-SNINTCAP1-CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VMnNQ4hqLz55QT for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pkagan@videotron.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from AWLDM ([173.178.79.2]) by Videotron with ESMTP id yW4irmFt0kyEryW4irzVTX; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:13:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=videotron.ca; s=s1; t=1713701620; bh=nbNIIcEaD+hGa+8rMAAzEOPvAb7W6s6QqLF3WHshCQ0=; h=From; b=cAD9ZFb0WiMHVoSyBU0OYcu3MtvyunDE3EfcO82SIw4uePhxZy2IzOXuxuvMIpsIy MBztskUcv0qF7WX2Rht6ZCAmCr6hXzs3MmAA7V2kwsLqGrTwoQv+vUY2z2sqtQdzTb OX5fVWiW8JXutn0oAX8nbmFP79XH9vhRLzZBgozin0rw0jX7T67PYvUe4fLWuo0KMm 9tast+yS+JrXRCixloMnkZ1UJPiBwTcyXDi6/+RDq9HqKUHBFMLBTYjLa3NXYU4dlN PIWl07M2KReAAQI2M3kwnsKx7Asfukcos/d/41/C0nB74xATp3BJuySzC7SUWyD7he 7iyT6vGjDM0Dg== X-ORIG-RCPT: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org,mail@souji-thenria.net X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=KeNxshYD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=662502f4 a=8sNthiHmWqMLc6V2qJRLaA==:117 a=8sNthiHmWqMLc6V2qJRLaA==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=3DW5ysfuAAAA:8 a=nfdTsa9rSlkwk1RyRdwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=fr250BOHKi_Lf9mVLe9j:22 From: "Paul Kagan" To: "'freebsd-questions'" , "'Souji Thenria'" References: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: certbot Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 08:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01da93e5$59332990$0b997cb0$@videotron.ca> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHNDf9WFLw/316OumdatfYMj6vz8ALCJgmHAYNf2zkB1Nqkm7Fc215A Content-Language: fr X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfG3SDFcY32LAZTrIi5s+WRVJVsYFiMOHtNlqhJ6V9xzlw6WTVxGwvmVCjQYwIajbYXwWojI4TCkGcvGrj28hg3cOiBxa8eZN3smsXkxbtOjTjQTV6x7s HHoqoDPKHXOrowkRCjsEa1mfBfHemss7u5CvPyrcmqLl1Phe9XQuY1f18spgYRq/zt6CnkYgdw3+b8LAG/rMtrE/87Bru5APTwvV3RtET7GijRnMs9RVElme X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5769, ipnet:23.233.128.0/18, country:CA] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMnNQ4hqLz55QT I use certbot on FreeBSD 14 and it works fine there was a thread that I = did that answers this question... just to modify the script to not use the legacy open ssl.. -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org De la part de Souji Thenria Envoy=E9=A0: samedi 20 avril 2024 23:42 =C0=A0: paul beard ; John Levine Cc=A0: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Objet=A0: Re: certbot On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 4:13 AM BST, paul beard wrote: > The question at hand is why OP can't use something as straightforward=20 > as what I run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables=20 > where I don't? FreeBSD 14 uses a newer OpenSSL version, which probably disables some = older algorithms that are needed by certbot. You don't have this problem since you are running FreeBSD 13, which = still uses the older OpenSSL version and supports those algorithms by default. From nobody Sun Apr 21 12:32:37 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMnpL2ddGz5J7mg for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Received: from mail01.ymmv.dk (193-106-164-141.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMnpJ4tyYz58nC; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 12:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ymmv.dk header.s=ymmv-mail-dkim header.b=ffR0DK4u; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk has no SPF policy when checking 193.106.164.141) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk Received: from c02qx0.local (193-106-164-140.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.140]) by mail01.ymmv.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E9FF1261C7; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:32:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ymmv.dk; s=ymmv-mail-dkim; t=1713702759; bh=CdMa7EM5191MSmF5C9QEFYfm4EfnrcgjJE0dsE+RCsI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=ffR0DK4uRuc7xMjtmYpsN7CB3qzm79ZVvSTzW1CO6jFw7KEud5JTKaA42i+6l+A1w X29IXSOm+iUl0SfmdtqRB0+abVCqa9e6tjzXURN8QULalmlwlgGJq4WGIBzVWGClCh 7N7fQ3jGhLV21Zb+inN4Cp/lQLp06XWy9VieTlKySKt13qiwJkRwGMsGXzPL13hZtv 7S+CSPx3AZPBE4CrMeuHUK3Qwafjl1WPu/zwtI+ODfMQ7G7rtdXsjOiRp9b7ylz6y0 v7w05iZH6JefIv7wO6j7xvgWVlNN5lAPQal6HmIKDIncx0LRP7KSKrWXBvaqvWi4QE bXQB2TPbzVn1w== Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:32:37 +0200 From: Jon Clausen To: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial, basic stuff Message-ID: <2e4dm4ow35zarex722okmj2wfcsck3pretodmuza63ccpywqov@qhbguzffdkxc> References: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <86cyqj9i3z.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.54 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ymmv.dk:s=ymmv-mail-dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42541, ipnet:193.106.164.0/22, country:DK]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ymmv.dk]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ymmv.dk:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMnpJ4tyYz58nC On 2024-04-21 12:06:39 (+0200), Jon Clausen wrote: > On 2024-04-21 11:32:00 (+0200), Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > disable the serial console on either or both (add `console="vidconsole"` > > to /etc/loader.conf, make sure you don't have `-D`, `-P`, or `-h` in > > /boot.config or /boot/config) and make sure getty is running on port 1 > > instead (change `onifconsole` to `on` on the ttyu1 line in /etc/ttys). > I think I'd rather leave the port0 setup as is, and just use port1 (on both > systems) for now. > > This means I'll need to get getty set up on one side, and make the > connection from the other side. Once I have a working setup like that, I can > then start working towards the port1(client) to port0(server) setup Right. Once I had the wires connected correctly, changed 'onifconsole' to 'on' in /etc/ttys, and issued `kill -HUP 1`, things started working. So after I had a successful connection jh05:cuau1 <-> jh06:ttyu1 using the default settings, I then went on to increase the speed from 9600 to 115200. This worked as well, so I now have a working "high speed" setup. So at this point, I should be ready to move on to attempting the setup that I actually want: jh05:cuau1 <-> jh06:ttyu0 This does not work out of the box. Assuming that the RS232/TTL adapter works, and that I have made the connections correct this time, I suppose the difference in settings between the devices might need aligning. This is what I have currently: root@jh05:~ # stty -a -f /dev/cuau1.init speed 115200 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl tab0 -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf rtsdtr cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^?; erase2 = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; root@jh05:~ # root@jh06:~ # stty -a -f /dev/ttyu0.init speed 115200 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -ocrnl tab0 -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf rtsdtr cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^?; erase2 = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; root@jh06:~ # And this is where I could use some (more) guidance. I'd like to keep ttyu0 more or less as-is, so that I can connect to them as usual (with a USB-to-serial adapter) when I'm physically near the machines. But I guess the cuau1 settings, which - except for the speed - are unmodified since OS install, sort of reflect the fact that these ports do not have the full "RS232" set of wires. So just copy/pasting the settings from ttyu0 onto cuau1 might not be the proper thing to do. 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If you want to run the console on FreeBSD 13 or older at 115200 bps, you will have to add `comconsole_speed=3D"115200"` to /boot/loader.conf and `-S115200` to /boot.config and reboot. On FreeBSD 14 and newer, it is already the default and you shouldn't have to change anything. If it's still not working, I would suggest hooking up an oscilloscope to the level shifter to check that it's working properly. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Sun Apr 21 13:18:15 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMppz0ljcz5JBrS for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Received: from mail01.ymmv.dk (193-106-164-141.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VMppy5JyLz42hd; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@ymmv.dk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from c02qx0.local (193-106-164-140.ip4.fiberby.net [193.106.164.140]) by mail01.ymmv.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 394D51261F8; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:18:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ymmv.dk; s=ymmv-mail-dkim; t=1713705497; bh=O978SzdvVTCjJh1z8sojFWUNshINbH3pnOve0lduMmY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=OECJLHS/qbgO5ciDCSHjXLS9rXVvDzWkry37B8C/GAauq3KOdA9cKR43/9WgoMA7o 4u7bvGBxOlYHuNS70qZ2rBM2rCaIkuJT4yNwRwca3Ltx6C0RHhvm08faC/ZP9Rlzgb v02ZicyjjfP8rTf3EnYcBN2J5a4ucxz5Kf1Ku3GHsT0+c9mdjbMfaTNdfqofxxmJny QKNstWI1kZJlvbUfddcdgmNOhQL0cvsarp0WajleusIzkrrBF81mgopdLO0ffqIR7E vUJHKRLbg2QnNMENgM02En7/Oym3t1XnlWPIIxtqPpzfK7bKlZUZ201o4AMANBwdlm 8zQTmrhsUXBdg== Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:18:15 +0200 From: Jon Clausen To: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial, basic stuff Message-ID: References: <86le57ajwa.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <86cyqj9i3z.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <2e4dm4ow35zarex722okmj2wfcsck3pretodmuza63ccpywqov@qhbguzffdkxc> <868r16anpc.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <868r16anpc.fsf@ltc.des.dev> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42541, ipnet:193.106.164.0/22, country:DK] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VMppy5JyLz42hd On 2024-04-21 14:45:51 (+0200), Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Jon Clausen writes: > > So at this point, I should be ready to move on to attempting the setup that > > I actually want: > > > > jh05:cuau1 <-> jh06:ttyu0 > > > > > > This does not work out of the box. > > “This does not work” is not a very useful statement. True. There's not much to report though: root@jh05:~ # screen /dev/cuau1 115200 gets me a blank screen, and no response to keyboard input. root@jh05:~ # cu -l /dev/cuau1 -s 115200 Connected is functionally the same: nothing further happens, no response from either system to keyboard input > If you want to run the console on FreeBSD 13 or older at 115200 bps, you > will have to add `comconsole_speed="115200"` to /boot/loader.conf and > `-S115200` to /boot.config and reboot. These systems are already set up with 115200, right from the installation. I routinely connect to them with the USB-to-serial adapter from my laptop, so I'm sure there's no issue with ttyu0 as such. > On FreeBSD 14 and newer, it is > already the default and you shouldn't have to change anything. Nice. That's good to know, but 14 is "not right now" for this setup. > If it's > still not working, I would suggest hooking up an oscilloscope to the > level shifter to check that it's working properly. Well, the oscilloscope I have is old, and I'm not convinced it even works. But the level shifter has been working very recently, so I have high confidence that it still is. The thing is though, that up until now I've seen "silent non-success" every time the parameters on either of the involved devices weren't "just right". 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It runs weekly, perhaps overkill, considering the ways expirations are managed: The following certificates are not due for renewal yet: /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/cloud.paulbeard.org/fullchain.pem expires on 2024-05-25 (skipped) /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/paulbeard.org/fullchain.pem expires on 2024-06-15 (skipped) /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/www.paulbeard.org/fullchain.pem expires on 2024-06-15 (skipped) No renewals were attempted. No hooks were run. Maybe I'll change it to monthly. On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 5:14=E2=80=AFAM Paul Kagan wr= ote: > I use certbot on FreeBSD 14 and it works fine there was a thread that I d= id > that answers this question... just to modify the script to not use the > legacy open ssl.. > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > De la part de Souji Thenria > Envoy=C3=A9 : samedi 20 avril 2024 23:42 > =C3=80 : paul beard ; John Levine > Cc : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Objet : Re: certbot > > On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 4:13 AM BST, paul beard wrote: > > The question at hand is why OP can't use something as straightforward > > as what I run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables > > where I don't? > > FreeBSD 14 uses a newer OpenSSL version, which probably disables some old= er > algorithms that are needed by certbot. > > You don't have this problem since you are running FreeBSD 13, which still > uses the older OpenSSL version and supports those algorithms by default. > > > > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000c3fb5106169ce763 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to add a little more detail=E2=80=A6that randomized c= ron job ran at 12:34 (called at midnight).=C2=A0

It runs= weekly, perhaps overkill, considering the ways expirations are managed:=C2= =A0

The following certifi= cates are not due for renewal yet:
=C2=A0 /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/liv= e/cloud.paulbeard.org/fullchain.pem=C2=A0expires on 2024-05-25 (skipped)
=C2= =A0 /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/paulbeard.org/fullchain.pem=C2=A0expires on 2024-0= 6-15 (skipped)
=C2=A0 /usr/local/etc/letsencrypt/live/www.p= aulbeard.org/fullchain.pem= =C2=A0expires on 2024-06-15 (skipped)
No renewals were attempted.=
No hooks were run.

Maybe I'll change it t= o monthly.=C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 5:14=E2=80=AFAM Paul = Kagan <pkagan@v= ideotron.ca> wrote:
I use certbot on FreeB= SD 14 and it works fine there was a thread that I did
that answers this question... just to modify the script to not use the
legacy open ssl..

-----Message d'origine-----
De=C2=A0: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
<owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org> De la part de Souji Thenria
Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: samedi 20 avril 2024 23:42
=C3=80=C2=A0: paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com>; John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Cc=C2=A0: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Objet=C2=A0: Re: certbot

On Sun Apr 21, 2024 at 4:13 AM BST, paul beard wrote:
> The question at hand is why OP can't use something as straightforw= ard
> as what I run. Why does he need to run it with environment variables <= br> > where I don't?

FreeBSD 14 uses a newer OpenSSL version, which probably disables some older=
algorithms that are needed by certbot.

You don't have this problem since you are running FreeBSD 13, which sti= ll
uses the older OpenSSL version and supports those algorithms by default.




--
Pa= ul Beard / www.paul= beard.org/
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I wouldn't, if I were you. You want to give it plenty of chances to recover if it fails due to a transient issue. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Sun Apr 21 21:28:38 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VN1j3119Tz5HpC6 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VN1j24sk5z45DV; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 21:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulbeard@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a555faf94fcso383578366b.0; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:28:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1713734931; x=1714339731; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ewUL7jn1Iw2jJY7MimP89PdQBV9TmGhSBgiC+5XTAaE=; b=cro1YXJdyg4xa3+iTHB+MFkLXP64Av41CjA2EUNGHDXUvqx6j9hsvgjv7G2xBMv+w0 CeAAL/CCEJHHX7Y+3B7lpv3CB1qZ/nlSSdW21vPLllAxehUB4CMbOVla+zsUJ7IWQLTf Eq6vEs3/w6OzjjSIaYwcoHPmi1Km/pcCslUw1h9dD0w/uSdACyZ34xnRGlLI+crfLKS9 NaUB/URl030qKbzzSBFVXdHDMO4oPMMLiGywk271CPjMF3OCp336iIec2ERSAhRbL4RR jI0l8cy9Y/LTRelxq5Fpe10EeBlPMSMSUlvZf7PIFL2S1sfDdjj3Fv4UMKUehOPMaUeB Xtig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1713734931; x=1714339731; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ewUL7jn1Iw2jJY7MimP89PdQBV9TmGhSBgiC+5XTAaE=; b=hr9b2siZ82Slq3lj7j0zbpC/kj8fCPk13WavkPinALoLCqjsTnyf1sL3qK9AXqC2WG 5X+XREHbnbEoZQL+kXF5jBEr+irmgUUtBoMDlSKbTWSEGMCvgX0OvOVTPhbMhJij7I7E hKHbqeW36bbMzgdBfc3YTjzygREddCrJiHvXtMmnCojZEKnuVLcWjMvp+Ef53DHEet0m ock0kjvm3WFMq2rOxv2lNENgzBSn9TaY07Y+JiyWV7JvJHn0zkyLmoQZkCpZlifVcRNo yZ6KVELxPDar2zfvcIL6DNO6dnCLwPdoiLopKh1ztP+mdUEREzf+kju2tD6y8u+a1hRd IDHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yze2En5rvS0OOi2vnq7V6na3IBPhUiykTew3+XIsJyvEyGrA83g BU0usp7n5c5dJRul2ByOiqrFuI1KFenyyOzxm+wA96U8uCZVTXEeXILFBYdudSyIdIGGLCE+t+x qzQjGbWZEtz5C2mf9QSA2/z3j386q0A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHZPXK8h6lRWSBWmnhR3MFhbKfBwZ1pfuMmixGuaeqbQIhctKq9rS4HclMRZqqhp69ZZuuBwdLfw0vMJ3JnL7s= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:bc97:b0:a55:b2e6:fc27 with SMTP id lv23-20020a170906bc9700b00a55b2e6fc27mr975253ejb.7.1713734930476; Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240421024338.4F7E5891631C@ary.qy> <009a01da93e5$59332990$0b997cb0$@videotron.ca> <86zftm8nwj.fsf@ltc.des.dev> In-Reply-To: <86zftm8nwj.fsf@ltc.des.dev> From: paul beard Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:28:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: certbot To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c5384e0616a20123" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VN1j24sk5z45DV --000000000000c5384e0616a20123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tip. Why mess with it if it works? On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > paul beard writes: > > It runs weekly, perhaps overkill, considering the ways expirations are > > managed: [...] Maybe I'll change it to monthly. > > I wouldn't, if I were you. You want to give it plenty of chances to > recover if it fails due to a transient issue. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org > --=20 Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ --000000000000c5384e0616a20123 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the tip. Why mess with it if it works?=C2=A0

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 1:24=E2=80=AFPM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@freebsd.org> wrote:
paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> writes:
> It runs weekly, perhaps overkill, considering the ways expirations are=
> managed: [...]=C2=A0 Maybe I'll change it to monthly.

I wouldn't, if I were you.=C2=A0 You want to give it plenty of chances = to
recover if it fails due to a transient issue.

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