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$BM=;;$O%^%$%J%9%7!<%j%s%0$H$+!"$d$C$F$i$l$^$;$s(B --- $B$9$:$-(B From nobody Tue Sep 17 08:14:19 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-users-jp@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X7F1h1bTHz5WmYg for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akihiko@suzuki.email.ne.jp) Received: from hsmtpd-def.xspmail.jp (hsmtpd-def.xspmail.jp [202.238.198.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X7F1d1hq1z4pCn for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akihiko@suzuki.email.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=suzuki.email.ne.jp header.s=x01 header.b=y0U0xwne; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=suzuki.email.ne.jp; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of akihiko@suzuki.email.ne.jp designates 202.238.198.240 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=akihiko@suzuki.email.ne.jp DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1726560859; d=suzuki.email.ne.jp; s=x01; i=akihiko@suzuki.email.ne.jp; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:from:references:to:subject: mime-version:date:message-id:from; bh=a51tn+Nfy6NADXfdNdD1sD6ArF32dTQPaNG+YpzfYUg=; b=y0U0xwneIdIDtuMki79cHFrRdxCZa4ayNbS0j1zlZkjNlMguOShh+kAUxxKifwQe4zmLyswOEam5u h67NHzthEDwMTRJYRTj1RqS1nfFweaDyTM/0okeSJ/Pa4ufmPOgkmJQRSoHFovGHFs1TU70NXODFgr VxJwJf0kf1V+OaTpfLP8DnpUoYoY76YcDbS3rG/gMvUW/qwMgJumGF09sIZ69rzj9xsdijRYQmBKrA sZ81Si4GR5m98KcvRgq4vVId7b5LYZ8kFK0IMvFEKYvYKcgv0LvbXgmx+eyHGI0j64BZ4HtoGK2rGB cRGm8k8kBYEjYHeJAzqbi3qQ8m6i83A== X-Country-Code: JP Received: from [192.168.0.32] (kd027082139096.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp [27.82.139.96]) by hsmtpd-out-1.asahinet.cluster.xspmail.jp (Halon) with ESMTPA id 6e692793-b356-4445-985a-fb9000515ae2; Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:14:19 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:14:19 +0900 List-Id: Discussion relevant to FreeBSD communities in Japan List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-users-jp List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-users-jp@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEZyZWVCU0Tjga7jg6rjg6rjg7zjgrnjgrXjgqTjgq/jg6vlpIk=?= =?UTF-8?B?5pu044Gr44Gk44GE44Gm?= To: freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org References: <20240913.180613.1836747525119143459.inetd@x.inetd.co.jp> <955477E7-716B-48CF-AF2D-6CE799849ED2@nifty.com> <20240917.170837.1726131759078434452.inetd@x.inetd.co.jp> Content-Language: en-US From: Suzuki Akihiko In-Reply-To: <20240917.170837.1726131759078434452.inetd@x.inetd.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[suzuki.email.ne.jp,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[suzuki.email.ne.jp:s=x01]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.238.198.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2497, ipnet:202.238.192.0/18, country:JP]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; REDIRECTOR_URL(0.00)[amzn.to]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-users-jp@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[suzuki.email.ne.jp:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X7F1d1hq1z4pCn 残念なことにLinux系のカーネルの本は色々出ていますけどね。 翔泳社・技術評論社が結構出してます。 https://amzn.to/3B7Bx7g https://amzn.to/3z9IIva （これは7月に出てますね） On 2024/09/17 17:08, zen-freebsd-ml@suzuki.que.ne.jp wrote: > 吉田さん > > 鈴木＠葛飾区です。 > > ご返信ありがとうございます。 > > ちょっとFreeBSDからは離れますが最近はFreeBSDに限らずOS関連の書籍は非常 > に少なくなってきています。 > 辛うじてRed Hat系の本が2刷程度OSのリリースを追っている感じでしょうか。 > FreeBSD向けの本が最後に出たのいつかも、もう分からないです。。 > > こういった状況ではサービスの運用を行っている会社ではまだしも、社内の情 > 報システム部門や知っているというだけでサーバー運用を任された方は後継者 > を育てるのも難しく、後を考えると外部サービスに移行するのも致し方ない状 > 況でしょうね。 > > 個人的には寂しいですが。。 > >> セキュリティやら内部統制やら脅威や仕組みばかりが増えて、 >> マイナーバージョンアップだけでも膨大な手間が掛かるようになってきており、 >> サーバを1台管理するだけでも最近はうんざりします >> 第三者検証や責任者承認を求められても、請けてくれる人もお金もないのを >> どうしろと >> >> 勤務先でももう私一人では面倒を見切れなくなり、無理矢理お金を掛けてでも >> 管理が楽になる方向へ転換して、システムをいくつも移行してサーバなどの >> 集中管理対象物をほとんど廃止しました >> >> 一年中サーバ運用だけをする仕事ならいいですが、兼務だと不可能ですね >> 業務負荷は知らないところで勝手にどんどん増やされるのに、 >> 予算はマイナスシーリングとか、やってられません > --- > すずき >