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[80.115.35.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-ab6e4a3145bsm758660266b.135.2025.02.03.05.32.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Feb 2025 05:32:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0MdX1IHAGjzg6ENTOTNeKMDY" Message-ID: <16b542bf-3348-44e4-8771-5b5e2cc40dc5@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 14:32:04 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Long time outdated jemalloc To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <4L_wVuJx1yIMEv85fQKvrJp8QiaTK4Fe_TvymIq0vcdwdHqa06Ys4lqAM8aHb-kefxPiIZW7kxT8qI7hmv4bLngKUlzIWfBVzDcaz4VRIPY=@proton.me> Content-Language: en-US From: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.08 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.546]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.54)[-0.544]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::632:from] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YmnV03ZLJz3K4F This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0MdX1IHAGjzg6ENTOTNeKMDY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 08/12/2024 18:41, Warner Losh wrote: > Great! I'll take a look at that, as well as do the merge the typical > way (which only takes a few minutes now that I've bootstrapped > things). I'll compare the two to see what diffs there might be (to act > as a cross check for both methods). I'll then build a copy of the > Netflix firmware with the change and put it on a couple machines and > see if they can handle the load and if there are any performance > regressions. I don't expect any, since malloc typically doesn't appear > in the flame graphs as "visible", but you never know. > > So, once that's done, and I expect it to be done this week, I'll push > it into main with both the proper vendor branch merge commits as well > as an acknowledgement for this pull request and your work to move it > forward (I'm just verifying the typical process will produce the same > results and the typical process doesn't take a long time, etc). > > Warner > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 9:03 AM Minsoo Choo > wrote: > > I resolved merge conflict by rebasing main. What's next? > > https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1337 > On Sunday, December 1st, 2024 at 2:05 AM, Warner Losh > wrote: >> (sorry to follow up to my own email and topposting) >> >> I got the vendor branch bootstrapped: I created vendor/jemalloc >> and tagged vendor/jemalloc/5.2.1, >> and created a merge commit from that branch to main. I had to >> tweak the >> FREEBSD-Xlist a little.I've not updated the other two FREEBSD-* >> files, but the steps were >> documented in the commit messages (the vendor branch one is >> especially long and >> likely should migrate into the developer handbook). >> FREEBSD-update is basically >> a shell script to do the same thing that git subtree merge does, >> though I'm sure some >> tweaks could help the next time (if there is a next time, >> jemalloc upstream seems to >> have slowed way down of late). >> >> Next up,I'll create 5.3.0 import on the vendor branch, do the >> merge and start testing (it will be >> Minsoo's pull request, rebased, with any conflicts resolved and >> merge commit recorded). >> But that will have to be tomorrow or more likely during the work >> week. I'm too tired tonight >> to get it right at the moment. >> >> And a special thanks to emaste for giving bz the right recipe for >> doing the subtree merge >> w/o git subtree for his work on the linux wifi drivers in the tree. >> >> Warner >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 9:38 PM Warner Losh wrote: >> >> Yea, I need to get a copy of jemalloc 5.3.0 and 5.2.1 to try >> to 'bootstrap' the vendor branch. >> Then I need to bootstrap it... >> >> I just did the same with edk2 (which had a vendor branch, but >> hadn't been updated since svn times). >> However, jemalloc doesn't have a vendor branch yet, so I'll >> have to create that, but I'll start with the >> current version rather than doing full history... So I'll >> start there. >> I also just did awk and lua, so once I have things >> bootstrapped, I'll be able to add 5.3.0 and then layer >> Minsoo's on >> top of that and then start testing it somehow. >> >> Malloc makes me nervous to touch, honestly, but I'll give it >> a go and test boot on my system and >> maybe see if we can survive a workload at work w/o >> regressions... But I can't do a full test with lots >> of machines until after the first of the year (though I can >> do a couple for a few days before then). >> >> So my next step is to bootstrap the vendor branch... I'll >> give that a try tonight. >> >> Warner >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 8:26 PM Minsoo Choo >> wrote: >> >> I have already submitted PR on github >> (https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1337) and >> phabricator (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41421). I don't >> have access (commit bit) to freebsd git repo, so there is >> nothing I can do at this point since vendor import and >> landing patches requires commit bit. >> On Saturday, November 30th, 2024 at 1:42 PM, cglogic >> wrote: >>> I see, it happens. >>> Maybe another committer will volunteer to do the update. >>> I hope it will make its way into 15.0 release. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> On Friday, November 29th, 2024 at 9:38 PM, Warner Losh >>> wrote: >>>> I've been swamped. we need to bootstrap the vendor >>>> branch, and the way prior updates were done >>>> isn't so great. >>>> >>>> Warner >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:21 AM cglogic >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello guys, >>>> >>>> How the update of jemalloc is going? It's November now. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> On Monday, July 22nd, 2024 at 7:02 PM, Minsoo Choo >>>> wrote: >>>>> First, sorry for late response. >>>>> >>>>> cglogic, thank you for bringing up this issue >>>>> again since I nearly forgot that this issue was >>>>> still open. >>>>> >>>>> Warner, as I can't access to my FreeBSD instance >>>>> until the end of August, but I can still edit and >>>>> push the code through my Arm Mac. This means that >>>>> I can't test the updated code on my machine, but I >>>>> can join the review process and listen to change >>>>> proposals. >>>>> >>>>> I'll open a Github PR in a few hours. (The >>>>> phabricator review will stay opened just in case) >>>>> On Monday, July 22nd, 2024 at 5:08 AM, Warner Losh >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:03 PM cglogic >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 21st, 2024 at 6:54 AM, Warner >>>>>> Losh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:59 AM cglogic >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello FreeBSD community, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After Jason Evans stepped aside from >>>>>>> maintaining jemalloc in FreeBSD, it's >>>>>>> not updating in time anymore. >>>>>>> Version 5.3.0 was released May 6, 2022 >>>>>>> and FreeBSD still not imported it into >>>>>>> the tree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a pending review >>>>>>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41421 from >>>>>>> Aug 11, 2023. >>>>>>> I'm successfully running FreeBSD/amd64 >>>>>>> system with D41421 applied for 8 months, >>>>>>> as well as many other people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can it be reviewed and committed to CURRENT? >>>>>>> Or, if there is no committers willing to >>>>>>> do it, can commit bit be given to >>>>>>> submitter or another person willing to >>>>>>> do this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's very disappointing when users spend >>>>>>> their time to fill such gaps and their >>>>>>> efforts just ignored by the developers. >>>>>>> Every year FreeBSD Community Survey >>>>>>> asking about user experience in >>>>>>> contributing to FreeBSD. >>>>>>> Here you can see an example of such >>>>>>> contributing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, thank you for being persistent and >>>>>>> continuing to bring it up. It's important to >>>>>>> do that to make sure this (and your many >>>>>>> other) contribution doesn't fall on the floor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to be fair, we're only 3 months since >>>>>>> the last update. Still, quite a bit longer >>>>>>> than you should have to wait, but not nearly >>>>>>> the year the original date suggests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And this is a perfect storm of "how the >>>>>>> project is bad at accepting contributions": >>>>>>> (1) The original submission was close to the >>>>>>> 14 branch creation time. This meant that we >>>>>>> weren't well prepared to look at it since it >>>>>>> is such an invasive change (at least on its >>>>>>> surface). It also slowed the initial response... >>>>>>> (2) There was a number of back and forth >>>>>>> requests for changes, which took time to >>>>>>> sort out... >>>>>>> (3) The size of this is huge, well beyond >>>>>>> the capacity of Phabricator to review >>>>>>> accurately... >>>>>>> (4) It's a vendor import. That means we >>>>>>> can't just drop the Phabricator review into >>>>>>> the tree... >>>>>>> (5) It's phabricator: this is a great tool >>>>>>> for developers, but we have a terrible track >>>>>>> record of using it for intake from new >>>>>>> contributors. We don't have any oversight at >>>>>>> all over this tool, at there's at best tepid >>>>>>> and luke warm attempts to look for drop balls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All of these things are a terrible >>>>>>> experience. I can only apologize. These >>>>>>> days, we might steer this towards github, >>>>>>> but the 'vendor import' means you really >>>>>>> need someone on the inside, or you need to >>>>>>> be on the inside to make that work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, how to move forward? Well, I'd like to >>>>>>> propose the following: >>>>>>> (1) submit all the other Phabricator reviews >>>>>>> you have open (they are mostly good, or >>>>>>> close to good) to github. Github is being >>>>>>> actively managed and will make it faster to >>>>>>> get things it. It's a much better tool for >>>>>>> new contributors (and even frequent >>>>>>> contributors of smallish things). >>>>>>> (2) I should do an vendor import of 5.3.0 >>>>>>> from github, and do the merge to a branch >>>>>>> and push that to github. You can then layer >>>>>>> on your changes and those can be reviewed >>>>>>> more closely as a pull request against the >>>>>>> branch I push. I suspect that most of the >>>>>>> issues are sorted out already >>>>>>> (3) I'll land it via that route... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, if the sum of the other pull requests >>>>>>> and this are good (and I suspect they will >>>>>>> be), then we can talk about commit bits and >>>>>>> such. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's experiences like this which is why I'm >>>>>>> trying to stand up github pull requests as a >>>>>>> reliable way to get things and and the best >>>>>>> place to send people... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again for persisting, and also for >>>>>>> expressing this criticism that we >>>>>>> (hopefully) can use to make it better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warner >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not the author of D41421. Just applied >>>>>> the patch to test it 8 months ago. And >>>>>> recently discovered that it's still not >>>>>> committed. >>>>>> I can't copy your message to Phabricator >>>>>> because don't have an account. Please, if you >>>>>> have time, help the author in D41421. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah yes. I've been in touch with the author for >>>>>> other things, and somehow thought it was you.... >>>>>> I'll reach out to him via other means... >>>>>> >>>>>> Warner >>>>> Is this still in progress? >>>>> I remember that we had an issue with varnish on >>>>> ubuntu where varnish would take way more memory >>>>> than configured, with a cache of 512MB, we did >>>>> consume almost 12GB of memory. The internet seems >>>>> to blame this on the jemalloc version comming with >>>>> ubuntu. I had the change to let the traffic go by >>>>> a FreeBSD machine with varnish installed, i saw >>>>> the same thing happening on FreeBSD also, i did >>>>> not have the time to investigate, but now that i >>>>> read this thread, it seems FreeBSD also uses 5.2.1 >>>>> jemalloc. The same version Ubuntu had. >>>>> >>>>> This update to 5.3.0 fixed it on ubuntu, so i gues >>>>> this would fix the varnish problem on FreeBSD also. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Johan >>>> >>> >> > --------------0MdX1IHAGjzg6ENTOTNeKMDY Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 08/12/2024 18:41, Warner Losh wrote:
Great! I'll take a look at that, as well as do the merge the typical way (which only takes a few minutes now that I've bootstrapped things). I'll compare the two to see what diffs there might be (to act as a cross check for both methods). I'll then build a copy of the Netflix firmware with the change and put it on a couple machines and see if they can handle the load and if there are any performance regressions. I don't expect any, since malloc typically doesn't appear in the flame graphs as "visible", but you never know.

So, once that's done, and I expect it to be done this week, I'll push it into main with both the proper vendor branch merge commits as well as an acknowledgement for this pull request and your work to move it forward (I'm just verifying the typical process will produce the same results and the typical process doesn't take a long time, etc).

Warner

On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 9:03 AM Minsoo Choo <minsoochoo0122@proton.me> wrote:
I resolved merge conflict by rebasing main. What's next?

On Sunday, December 1st, 2024 at 2:05 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
(sorry to follow up to my own email and topposting)

I got the vendor branch bootstrapped: I created vendor/jemalloc and tagged vendor/jemalloc/5.2.1,
and created a merge commit from that branch to main. I had to tweak the
FREEBSD-Xlist a little.I've not updated the other two FREEBSD-* files, but the steps were
documented in the commit messages (the vendor branch one is especially long and
likely should migrate into the developer handbook). FREEBSD-update is basically
a shell script to do the same thing that git subtree merge does, though I'm sure some
tweaks could help the next time (if there is a next time, jemalloc upstream seems to
have slowed way down of late).

Next up,I'll create 5.3.0 import on the vendor branch, do the merge and start testing (it will be
Minsoo's pull request, rebased, with any conflicts resolved and merge commit recorded).
But that will have to be tomorrow or more likely during the work week. I'm too tired tonight
to get it right at the moment.

And a special thanks to emaste for giving bz the right recipe for doing the subtree merge
w/o git subtree for his work on the linux wifi drivers in the tree.

Warner

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 9:38 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Yea, I need to get a copy of jemalloc 5.3.0 and 5.2.1 to try to 'bootstrap' the vendor branch.
Then I need to bootstrap it...

I just did the same with edk2 (which had a vendor branch, but hadn't been updated since svn times).
However, jemalloc doesn't have a vendor branch yet, so I'll have to create that, but I'll start with the
current version rather than doing full history... So I'll start there.
I also just did awk and lua, so once I have things bootstrapped, I'll be able to add 5.3.0 and then layer Minsoo's on
top of that and then start testing it somehow.

Malloc makes me nervous to touch, honestly, but I'll give it a go and test boot on my system and
maybe see if we can survive a workload at work w/o regressions... But I can't do a full test with lots
of machines until after the first of the year (though I can do a couple for a few days before then).

So my next step is to bootstrap the vendor branch... I'll give that a try tonight.

Warner

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 8:26 PM Minsoo Choo <minsoochoo0122@proton.me> wrote:
I have already submitted PR on github (https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1337) and phabricator (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41421). I don't have access (commit bit) to freebsd git repo, so there is nothing I can do at this point since vendor import and landing patches requires commit bit.
On Saturday, November 30th, 2024 at 1:42 PM, cglogic <cglogic@protonmail.com> wrote:
I see, it happens.
Maybe another committer will volunteer to do the update.
I hope it will make its way into 15.0 release.

Thanks.
On Friday, November 29th, 2024 at 9:38 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
I've been swamped. we need to bootstrap the vendor branch, and the way prior updates were done
isn't so great.

Warner

On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 2:21 AM cglogic <cglogic@protonmail.com> wrote:
Hello guys,

How the update of jemalloc is going? It's November now.

Thanks.
On Monday, July 22nd, 2024 at 7:02 PM, Minsoo Choo <minsoochoo0122@proton.me> wrote:
First, sorry for late response.

cglogic, thank you for bringing up this issue again since I nearly forgot that this issue was still open.

Warner, as I can't access to my FreeBSD instance until the end of August, but I can still edit and push the code through my Arm Mac. This means that I can't test the updated code on my machine, but I can join the review process and listen to change proposals.

I'll open a Github PR in a few hours. (The phabricator review will stay opened just in case)
On Monday, July 22nd, 2024 at 5:08 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:03 PM cglogic <cglogic@protonmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, July 21st, 2024 at 6:54 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:59 AM cglogic <cglogic@protonmail.com> wrote:
Hello FreeBSD community,

After Jason Evans stepped aside from maintaining jemalloc in FreeBSD, it's not updating in time anymore.
Version 5.3.0 was released May 6, 2022 and FreeBSD still not imported it into the tree.

There is a pending review https://reviews.freebsd.org/D41421 from Aug 11, 2023.
I'm successfully running FreeBSD/amd64 system with D41421 applied for 8 months, as well as many other people.

Can it be reviewed and committed to CURRENT?
Or, if there is no committers willing to do it, can commit bit be given to submitter or another person willing to do this?

It's very disappointing when users spend their time to fill such gaps and their efforts just ignored by the developers.
Every year FreeBSD Community Survey asking about user experience in contributing to FreeBSD.
Here you can see an example of such contributing.


First, thank you for being persistent and continuing to bring it up. It's important to do that to make sure this (and your many other) contribution doesn't fall on the floor.

And to be fair, we're only 3 months since the last update. Still, quite a bit longer than you should have to wait, but not nearly the year the original date suggests.

And this is a perfect storm of "how the project is bad at accepting contributions":
(1) The original submission was close to the 14 branch creation time. This meant that we weren't well prepared to look at it since it is such an invasive change (at least on its surface). It also slowed the initial response...
(2) There was a number of back and forth requests for changes, which took time to sort out...
(3) The size of this is huge, well beyond the capacity of Phabricator to review accurately...
(4) It's a vendor import. That means we can't just drop the Phabricator review into the tree...
(5) It's phabricator: this is a great tool for developers, but we have a terrible track record of using it for intake from new contributors. We don't have any oversight at all over this tool, at there's at best tepid and luke warm attempts to look for drop balls.

All of these things are a terrible experience. I can only apologize. These days, we might steer this towards github, but the 'vendor import' means you really need someone on the inside, or you need to be on the inside to make that work.

So, how to move forward? Well, I'd like to propose the following:
(1) submit all the other Phabricator reviews you have open (they are mostly good, or close to good) to github. Github is being actively managed and will make it faster to get things it. It's a much better tool for new contributors (and even frequent contributors of smallish things).
(2) I should do an vendor import of 5.3.0 from github, and do the merge to a branch and push that to github. You can then layer on your changes and those can be reviewed more closely as a pull request against the branch I push. I suspect that most of the issues are sorted out already
(3) I'll land it via that route...

And, if the sum of the other pull requests and this are good (and I suspect they will be), then we can talk about commit bits and such.

It's experiences like this which is why I'm trying to stand up github pull requests as a reliable way to get things and and the best place to send people...

Thanks again for persisting, and also for expressing this criticism that we (hopefully) can use to make it better.

Warner

Hello.

I'm not the author of D41421. Just applied the patch to test it 8 months ago. And recently discovered that it's still not committed.
I can't copy your message to Phabricator because don't have an account. Please, if you have time, help the author in D41421.

Ah yes. I've been in touch with the author for other things, and somehow thought it was you.... I'll reach out to him via other means...

Warner
Is this still in progress?
I remember that we had an issue with varnish on ubuntu where varnish would take way more memory than configured, with a cache of 512MB, we did consume almost 12GB of memory. The internet seems to blame this on the jemalloc version comming with ubuntu. I had the change to let the traffic go by a FreeBSD machine with varnish installed, i saw the same thing happening on FreeBSD also, i did not have the time to investigate, but now that i read this thread, it seems FreeBSD also uses 5.2.1 jemalloc. The same version Ubuntu had.

This update to 5.3.0 fixed it on ubuntu, so i gues this would fix the varnish problem on FreeBSD also.

regards
Johan




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You might as well ask for a "pretty" splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security > Mail) wrote: > S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. My > motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. > Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the > FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going > well. > > This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current > winner". > This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good > features. > > But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem that > computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something. > This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is > not a > feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a > problem > and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop > market. > As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. > Was OSX > more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX > instead > of FreeBSD? > > Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally > enable silent boot are welcome. > > -- > Gleb Smirnoff > > --000000000000ed0f64062d40cd8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask = for a "pretty" splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll.=


On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven H= arms (High-Security Mail) wrote:
S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. M= y motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Wind= ows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious = to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well.

This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current w= inner".
This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good feat= ures.

But this particular thing is a misfeature.=C2=A0 I find it a big problem th= at
computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something.<= br> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95.=C2=A0 This i= s not a
feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity.=C2=A0 It is a p= roblem
and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop mar= ket.
As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion.=C2= =A0 Was OSX
more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX ins= tead
of FreeBSD?

Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally=
enable silent boot are welcome.

--
Gleb Smirnoff

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Prior to th= e loss, device da1p1 > > has been faulted with numbers in the colum/columns "corrupted data"/fur= ther not seen now. > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import > > pool: BUNKER00 > > id: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > state: FAULTED > > status: The pool metadata is corrupted. > > action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. > > The pool may be active on another system, but can be imported = using > > the '-f' flag. > > see: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-72 > > config: > >=20 > > BUNKER00 FAULTED corrupted data > > raidz1-0 ONLINE > > da2p1 ONLINE > > da3p1 ONLINE > > da4p1 ONLINE > > da7p1 ONLINE > > da6p1 ONLINE > > da1p1 ONLINE > > da5p1 ONLINE > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import -f BUNKER00 > > cannot import 'BUNKER00': I/O error > > Destroy and re-create the pool from > > a backup source. > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import -F BUNKER00 > > cannot import 'BUNKER00': one or more devices is currently unavailable > > =20 >=20 > This is indeed a sad situation. You have a raidz1 pool with one or > MORE devices that seem to have left the stage. I suspect more than one. >=20 > I can only guess what you see from "camcontrol devlist" as well as > data from "gpart show -l" where we would see the partition data along > with and GPT labels. If in fact you used GPT scheme. You have a list of > devices that all say "p1" there and so I guess you made some sort of a > partition table. ZFS does not need that but it can be nice to have. In > any case, it really does look like you have _more_ than one failure in > there somewhere and only dmesg and some separate tests on each device > would reveal the truth. >=20 >=20 > -- > Dennis Clarke > RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC > UNIX and Linux spoken >=20 >=20 Hello all! Thank you for your tips! Luckily, "zpool import -FX" as suggested herein did after a while (60-80 mi= nutes) the trick! There might be some data losses - but compared to the alternative bareable. Thank you very much! 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Warner On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku Bex wr= ote: > Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty= " > splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security >> Mail) wrote: >> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. M= y >> motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. >> Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the >> FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going >> well. >> >> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current >> winner". >> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good >> features. >> >> But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem that >> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing somethin= g. >> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is >> not a >> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a >> problem >> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop >> market. >> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. >> Was OSX >> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX >> instead >> of FreeBSD? >> >> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to >> optionally >> enable silent boot are welcome. >> >> -- >> Gleb Smirnoff >> >> --000000000000abbe41062d41796d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy= actual text screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that wo= rk if it has broken (it used to work great).

Warner

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku Bex <= ;zagazaw2004@gmail.com> wro= te:

Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask for a "= pretty" splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll.


On Mon= , Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM = +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote:
S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. M= y motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Wind= ows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious = to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well.

This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current w= inner".
This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good feat= ures.

But this particular thing is a misfeature.=C2=A0 I find it a big problem th= at
computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something.<= br> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95.=C2=A0 This i= s not a
feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity.=C2=A0 It is a p= roblem
and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop mar= ket.
As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion.=C2= =A0 Was OSX
more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX ins= tead
of FreeBSD?

Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally=
enable silent boot are welcome.

--
Gleb Smirnoff

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The startup text is useless in that stage of the OS. If i need it for troubleshooting, dmesg can provide it. IMHO, no text or no splash are irrelevant if they don't speed up the boot process. Until we find a way to deal with this, it all boils down to how the end users like to see when their FreeBSD machine boots up. On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:58 Warner Losh wrote: > Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text > screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has > broken (it used to work great). > > Warner > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku Bex = wrote: > >> Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask for a "prett= y" >> splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security >>> Mail) wrote: >>> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. >>> My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. >>> Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the >>> FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are goin= g >>> well. >>> >>> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current >>> winner". >>> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good >>> features. >>> >>> But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem tha= t >>> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing >>> something. >>> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is >>> not a >>> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a >>> problem >>> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop >>> market. >>> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. >>> Was OSX >>> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX >>> instead >>> of FreeBSD? >>> >>> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to >>> optionally >>> enable silent boot are welcome. >>> >>> -- >>> Gleb Smirnoff >>> >>> --000000000000a67563062d41cfa6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Because they all follow the same concept. The startup text i= s useless in that stage of the OS. If i need it for troubleshooting, dmesg = can provide it. IMHO, no text or no splash are irrelevant if they don't= speed up the boot process. Until we find a way to deal with this, it all b= oils down to how the end users like to see when their FreeBSD machine boots= up.


On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:58 Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Most systems have a pretty splash screen, bu= t a very noisy actual text screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined t= o make that work if it has broken (it used to work great).

Warner

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku Bex <zag= azaw2004@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You = might as well ask for a "pretty" splash screen instead of the diz= zying text scroll.


On Mon= , Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:<= br>
On Sun, Feb 02, = 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote:
S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. M= y motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Wind= ows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious = to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well.

This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current w= inner".
This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good feat= ures.

But this particular thing is a misfeature.=C2=A0 I find it a big problem th= at
computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something.<= br> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95.=C2=A0 This i= s not a
feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity.=C2=A0 It is a p= roblem
and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop mar= ket.
As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion.=C2= =A0 Was OSX
more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX ins= tead
of FreeBSD?

Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally=
enable silent boot are welcome.

--
Gleb Smirnoff

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Brandei= s On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 10:58=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh wrote: > Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text > screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has > broken (it used to work great). > I like this idea. A pretty splash screen for those that don=E2=80=99t want = text and a text screen for those that do. As a separate project, optional settings for reducing the output of the text screen would not be bad (but isn=E2=80=99t make it the default in the = server builds). > Warner > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku Bex = wrote: > >> Remember that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask for a "prett= y" >> splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll. >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Security >>> Mail) wrote: >>> S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. >>> My motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. >>> Windows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the >>> FreeBSD-curious to expect a lot less text on startup if things are goin= g >>> well. >>> >>> This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current >>> winner". >>> This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good >>> features. >>> >>> But this particular thing is a misfeature. I find it a big problem tha= t >>> computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing >>> something. >>> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95. This is >>> not a >>> feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity. It is a >>> problem >>> and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop >>> market. >>> As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion. >>> Was OSX >>> more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX >>> instead >>> of FreeBSD? >>> >>> Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to >>> optionally >>> enable silent boot are welcome. >>> >>> -- >>> Gleb Smirnoff >>> >>> --00000000000040b503062d42572b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by me= n=C2=A0of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. =C2=A0 -- Justice L= ouis D.=C2=A0Brandeis


On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 10:58=E2=80=AFAM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very no= isy actual text screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that= work if it has broken (it used to work great).
=
I like this idea. A pretty splas= h screen for those that don=E2=80=99t want text and a text screen for those= that do.

As a separate = project, optional settings for reducing the output of the text screen would= not be bad (but isn=E2=80=99t make it the default in the server builds).= =C2=A0

<= div>
Warner

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10=E2=80=AFAM Maku= Bex <zagazaw= 2004@gmail.com> wrote:

Reme= mber that quiet/silent !=3D fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty&= quot; splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll.


On Mon= , Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +0000, Steven Harms (High-Securit= y Mail) wrote:
S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. M= y motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Wind= ows and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD-curious = to expect a lot less text on startup if things are going well.

This is how I call this strategy: "trying to win by mimicing current w= inner".
This ain't going to work in general, even if you are mimicing good feat= ures.

But this particular thing is a misfeature.=C2=A0 I find it a big problem th= at
computer is absolutely silent and unresponsive when it is doing something.<= br> This has been a problem in the Windows world since Windows 95.=C2=A0 This i= s not a
feature that gave Windows and OSX their current popularity.=C2=A0 It is a p= roblem
and was it fixed they may have eaten even a bigger piece of the desktop mar= ket.
As you see many people responded with disagreement to your suggestion.=C2= =A0 Was OSX
more reporting to its users, maybe those people would be already on OSX ins= tead
of FreeBSD?

Of course, FreeBSD policy is - TOOLS NOT POLICY :) So patches to optionally=
enable silent boot are welcome.

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Gleb Smirnoff

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it's all useful debug but it's wall of text? but i would not change def= ault i wouldn't change defaults for kernel too and our kernel has actually structured output this is not the case in eg linux kernel or even init, esp init of random a= pplicances=2E basically every kernel module developer prints out ascii art = and text in formats he personally likes to=2E sometimes lines are just as i= f just because to print SOMETHING=2E the result is that you don't understan= d shit p=2Es=2E: recently there was topic to split wg config out of ifconfig as i= fconfig is overloaded=2E well, at least it works=2E imagine debugging netwo= rk in linux distros=2E i'm not aware what other oses do, but you can look i= nto ifconfig to see that interface is up, then you need to go look if netwo= rk link is actually up from ethtool (?)=2E it's easy to mistake this in hur= ry or if beginning or casual or even experienced adminning=2E i saw this se= cond hand=2E i wished to bash my head on table because like whyyyy, has any= one ever used this in real life? 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Prior to the loss, device da1p1 > has been faulted with numbers in the colum/columns "corrupted data"/further not seen now. > > > ~# zpool import > pool: BUNKER00 > id: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > state: FAULTED > status: The pool metadata is corrupted. > action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. > The pool may be active on another system, but can be imported using > the '-f' flag. > see:https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-72 > config: > > BUNKER00 FAULTED corrupted data > raidz1-0 ONLINE > da2p1 ONLINE > da3p1 ONLINE > da4p1 ONLINE > da7p1 ONLINE > da6p1 ONLINE > da1p1 ONLINE > da5p1 ONLINE > > > ~# zpool import -f BUNKER00 > cannot import 'BUNKER00': I/O error > Destroy and re-create the pool from > a backup source. > > > ~# zpool import -F BUNKER00 > cannot import 'BUNKER00': one or more devices is currently unavailable Too late now, but another useful command for situations like this is zdb -G BUNKER00 It would print a log of various pool import actions. E.g., on a good pool: # zdb -G rpool ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) START: spa.c:5694:spa_open_common(): spa_open_common: opening rpool spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): LOADING vdev.c:162:vdev_dbgmsg(): disk vdev '/dev/gpt/S6PEN.rpool': best uberblock found for spa rpool. txg 61892397 spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config untrusted): using uberblock with txg=61892397 spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading checkpoint txg spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading indirect vdev metadata spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Checking feature flags spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading special MOS directories spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading properties spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading AUX vdevs spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading vdev metadata spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading dedup tables spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading BRT spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Verifying Log Devices spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Verifying pool data spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): spa_load_verify found 0 metadata errors and 4 data errors spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Calculating deflated space spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Starting import spa.c:8925:spa_async_request(): spa=rpool async request task=2048 spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): LOADED ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) END On a bad pool, the log may have helped to identify the exact problem. -- Andriy Gapon From nobody Tue Feb 4 13:36:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org 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Yesterday there was a power outage that damaged one TV at home and this morning I noticed the laptop was possible affected too. I suspect power issue was the cause since I didn't upgrade it recently. It takes a long time to boot waiting for `usbus1` and during boot I see lots of repeated ACPI related messages pcib1: Timed out waiting for Data Link Layer Active After it finishes booting I see load avg is high, ~10, without anything actually running. 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I suspect power > issue was the cause since I didn't upgrade it recently. > > It takes a long time to boot waiting for `usbus1` and during boot I see > lots of repeated ACPI related messages > > pcib1: Timed out waiting for Data Link Layer Active This looks to be a PCI bridge that isn't working. Assuming this is PCIe, connections between devices use a protocol to encapsulate messages. The lowest layer of these is the Data Link Layer. This message is saying the signalling required to start using the DLL never completes. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 06/02/25 12:46, Chuck Tuffli wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 4:39 AM Renato Botelho wrote: >> >> I've been running FreeBSD CURRENT on a Thinkpad x230 for years. >> Yesterday there was a power outage that damaged one TV at home and this >> morning I noticed the laptop was possible affected too. I suspect power >> issue was the cause since I didn't upgrade it recently. >> >> It takes a long time to boot waiting for `usbus1` and during boot I see >> lots of repeated ACPI related messages >> >> pcib1: Timed out waiting for Data Link Layer Active > > This looks to be a PCI bridge that isn't working. Assuming this is > PCIe, connections between devices use a protocol to encapsulate > messages. The lowest layer of these is the Data Link Layer. This > message is saying the signalling required to start using the DLL never > completes. Once the OS is up, you might poke around via pciconf to see > if the device recovered, but given the damage to other hardware, > electrical damage seems like a reasonable conclusion here as well. I've added hint.pcib.1.disabled="1" to loader.conf to disable damaged hardware and it's working as expected again. I still couldn't find what is missing because of that but maybe one day I will notice. -- Renato Botelho From nobody Fri Feb 7 08:48:21 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Yq71W4Fdlz5n2CR for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 08:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp6.goneo.de (smtp6.goneo.de [85.220.129.31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Yq71T4QQFz3QBs; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 08:49:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=walstatt-de.de header.s=DKIM001 header.b=Bn4gjGVd; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@walstatt-de.de designates 85.220.129.31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@walstatt-de.de; dmarc=none Received: from hub2.goneo.de (hub2.goneo.de [85.220.129.53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp6.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E900240D8D; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:48:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub2.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43ECD240181; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:48:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1738918137; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=fGu3w9j+ImvbZAkGrI06SGcn1jds1t6fqGKG3EZopm4=; b=Bn4gjGVdLG+cnAhRn2KIRPUyanR494EzmlH+pcnhYQMJe5MImpD7i/qixbixXSncXlX1Db IcM6gwyNsRoqJ65HZyGwa5v+N8QgCenZBnVay9lz1Kxmuzwb+iwwyh1Kmxzb12ojnP1HsV 1QA5PaqsEVZpwqhjjmRVkgM4GwFZIYDu2++5H0FEKqizshwuIlBz2PdX7d1uUt4VArVKO+ HGNLwIfjQ7ipJcaSe7dwJTswAEjqKUZC2EeyAnkC5lOkmoPDLnwD7m1oX6vmJHF0AQv0oJ LhT4hBoHJsMaj8r/tqmjKVLp2btG4nUeFEy7tvu6/1i8mA5S2hHZ89fkuDLAIA== Received: from thor.sb211.local (dynamic-2a02-3100-2517-1902-f442-1900-bc24-f58f.310.pool.telefonica.de [IPv6:2a02:3100:2517:1902:f442:1900:bc24:f58f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A9F82405D7; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:48:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:48:21 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Andriy Gapon Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS: Rescue FAULTED Pool Message-ID: <20250207094848.3fcdd20a@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20250129112701.0c4a3236@freyja> <20250130123354.2d767c7c@thor.sb211.local> <980401eb-f8f6-44c7-8ee1-5ff0c9e1c35c@freebsd.org> <20250201095656.1bdfbe5f@thor.sb211.local> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/8qEJ0GptqA804KA9UYjhtly"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: 3400fa X-Rspamd-UID: 743201 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:85.220.129.0/25]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[walstatt-de.de:s=DKIM001]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[85.220.129.31:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:85.220.128.0/17, country:DE]; RBL_SENDERSCORE_REPUT_8(0.00)[85.220.129.31:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[walstatt-de.de]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[walstatt-de.de:+] X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Yq71T4QQFz3QBs --Sig_/8qEJ0GptqA804KA9UYjhtly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:18:06 +0200 Andriy Gapon schrieb: > On 01/02/2025 10:57, A FreeBSD User wrote: > > Hello, this exactly happens when trying to import the pool. Prior to th= e loss, device da1p1 > > has been faulted with numbers in the colum/columns "corrupted data"/fur= ther not seen now. > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import > > pool: BUNKER00 > > id: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > state: FAULTED > > status: The pool metadata is corrupted. > > action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. > > The pool may be active on another system, but can be imported = using > > the '-f' flag. > > see:https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-72 > > config: > >=20 > > BUNKER00 FAULTED corrupted data > > raidz1-0 ONLINE > > da2p1 ONLINE > > da3p1 ONLINE > > da4p1 ONLINE > > da7p1 ONLINE > > da6p1 ONLINE > > da1p1 ONLINE > > da5p1 ONLINE > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import -f BUNKER00 > > cannot import 'BUNKER00': I/O error > > Destroy and re-create the pool from > > a backup source. > >=20 > >=20 > > ~# zpool import -F BUNKER00 > > cannot import 'BUNKER00': one or more devices is currently unavailable = =20 >=20 >=20 > Too late now, but another useful command for situations like this is > zdb -G BUNKER00 > It would print a log of various pool import actions. Not "too late", very much appreciated, such helpful worst-case-scenario wou= ld have a nice place in a small section "desaster recovery" in the handbook, wouldn't it? = The handbook is quite superficial at that point ... Kind regards, Oliver >=20 > E.g., on a good pool: > # zdb -G rpool >=20 > ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) START: > spa.c:5694:spa_open_common(): spa_open_common: opening rpool > spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): LOADING > vdev.c:162:vdev_dbgmsg(): disk vdev '/dev/gpt/S6PEN.rpool': best uberbloc= k found=20 > for spa rpool. txg 61892397 > spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config untrusted): using= =20 > uberblock with txg=3D61892397 > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading che= ckpoint txg > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading ind= irect=20 > vdev metadata > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Checking fe= ature flags > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading spe= cial=20 > MOS directories > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading pro= perties > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading AUX= vdevs > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading vde= v metadata > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading ded= up tables > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading BRT > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Verifying L= og Devices > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Verifying p= ool data > spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): spa_load= _verify=20 > found 0 metadata errors and 4 data errors > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Calculating= =20 > deflated space > spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Starting im= port > spa.c:8925:spa_async_request(): spa=3Drpool async request task=3D2048 > spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): LOADED > ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) END >=20 > On a bad pool, the log may have helped to identify the exact problem. >=20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/8qEJ0GptqA804KA9UYjhtly Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6XI8AAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r8iTAPwN+WFMbpZA7R+QwEuklMFyqfFKYpuQgp32U25ZoVuQDQEA8ExkypZzniU1 pnGgZMvoM4oAnP5rYNokhaMRux9zCgc= =vBUI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/8qEJ0GptqA804KA9UYjhtly-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 12:56:10 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqDWH14z4z5nM9t for ; 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I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console prio= r to "make installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/well= known symptome. Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? Thanks in advance o.h. --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/uuUzs/b7DGMKWpOjtRIlPbq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6YDBQAKCRCxzvs8Oqok rydYAQCxCwaRJDwwsPn14A59S73/bxUyYFjG6VdWkbvTjn+RowD7Bm+9G7hbImlM yf7ybIX761jHj+iBuzumcV802t3CCgs= =91Cw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/uuUzs/b7DGMKWpOjtRIlPbq-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 13:30:46 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqFH220FVz5nPF9 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 13:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid2.gid.co.uk (ns0.gid.co.uk [IPv6:2001:470:94de::240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gid2.gid.co.uk", Issuer "gid2.gid.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YqFH11jfgz3qKN; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 13:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) by gid2.gid.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 517DV2jE086001; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 13:31:02 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([194.32.164.16]) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id 517DUuC1065808; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 13:30:57 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\)) Subject: Re: ZFS: Rescue FAULTED Pool From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: <20250207094848.3fcdd20a@thor.sb211.local> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 13:30:46 +0000 Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <223C2C8D-9F54-448E-9107-A1AEA5659061@gid.co.uk> References: <20250129112701.0c4a3236@freyja> <20250130123354.2d767c7c@thor.sb211.local> <980401eb-f8f6-44c7-8ee1-5ff0c9e1c35c@freebsd.org> <20250201095656.1bdfbe5f@thor.sb211.local> <20250207094848.3fcdd20a@thor.sb211.local> To: A FreeBSD User , Andriy Gapon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YqFH11jfgz3qKN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] Hi, > On 7 Feb 2025, at 08:48, A FreeBSD User = wrote: >=20 > Am Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:18:06 +0200 > Andriy Gapon schrieb: >=20 >> On 01/02/2025 10:57, A FreeBSD User wrote: >>> Hello, this exactly happens when trying to import the pool. Prior to = the loss, device da1p1 >>> has been faulted with numbers in the colum/columns "corrupted = data"/further not seen now. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ~# zpool import >>> pool: BUNKER00 >>> id: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >>> state: FAULTED >>> status: The pool metadata is corrupted. >>> action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. >>> The pool may be active on another system, but can be = imported using >>> the '-f' flag. >>> see:https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-72 >>> config: >>>=20 >>> BUNKER00 FAULTED corrupted data >>> raidz1-0 ONLINE >>> da2p1 ONLINE >>> da3p1 ONLINE >>> da4p1 ONLINE >>> da7p1 ONLINE >>> da6p1 ONLINE >>> da1p1 ONLINE >>> da5p1 ONLINE >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ~# zpool import -f BUNKER00 >>> cannot import 'BUNKER00': I/O error >>> Destroy and re-create the pool from >>> a backup source. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ~# zpool import -F BUNKER00 >>> cannot import 'BUNKER00': one or more devices is currently = unavailable =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Too late now, but another useful command for situations like this is >> zdb -G BUNKER00 >> It would print a log of various pool import actions. >=20 > Not "too late", very much appreciated, such helpful = worst-case-scenario would have a nice > place in a small section "desaster recovery" in the handbook, wouldn't = it? The handbook is > quite superficial at that point ... +1 > Kind regards, > Oliver >>=20 >> E.g., on a good pool: >> # zdb -G rpool >>=20 >> ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) START: >> spa.c:5694:spa_open_common(): spa_open_common: opening rpool >> spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): = LOADING >> vdev.c:162:vdev_dbgmsg(): disk vdev '/dev/gpt/S6PEN.rpool': best = uberblock found=20 >> for spa rpool. txg 61892397 >> spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config untrusted): = using=20 >> uberblock with txg=3D61892397 >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = checkpoint txg >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = indirect=20 >> vdev metadata >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' = Checking feature flags >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = special=20 >> MOS directories >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = properties >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = AUX vdevs >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = vdev metadata >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = dedup tables >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' Loading = BRT >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' = Verifying Log Devices >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' = Verifying pool data >> spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): = spa_load_verify=20 >> found 0 metadata errors and 4 data errors >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' = Calculating=20 >> deflated space >> spa_misc.c:2311:spa_import_progress_set_notes_impl(): 'rpool' = Starting import >> spa.c:8925:spa_async_request(): spa=3Drpool async request task=3D2048 >> spa_misc.c:419:spa_load_note(): spa_load(rpool, config trusted): = LOADED >> ZFS_DBGMSG(zdb) END >>=20 >> On a bad pool, the log may have helped to identify the exact problem. >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > A FreeBSD user -- Bob Bishop rb@gid.co.uk From nobody Fri Feb 7 13:45:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqFbt3PV9z5mBYs for ; 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R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[walstatt-de.de:s=DKIM001]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:1640:5::8:0/112]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:2001:1640::/32, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[walstatt-de.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[walstatt-de.de:+] X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YqFbs0HqGz3vbb --Sig_/j4275Sn8gXSTZwCgZqDcjbj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) Ronald Klop schrieb: > Does it work if you just do >=20 > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ >=20 > and restart the make installkernel? >=20 > Regards, > Ronald. Hello Ronald. I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish each ti= me I start "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...). I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and do = a complete new build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-) Will report in when finished/failes again ... Kind regards, Oliver =20 >=20 > =20 > Van: A FreeBSD User > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kern= el: No such file or > directory > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > Host is actual running > >=20 > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 202= 5 amd64 > >=20 > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and inst= all kernel/world. > >=20 > > make kernel works fine. > > make installkernel bails out with: > >=20 > > [...] =20 > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/ker= nel/ =20 > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug= /boot/kernel/ > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > *** Error code 71 > >=20 > > Stop. > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > *** Error code 1 > >=20 > > Stop. > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > *** Error code 1 > >=20 > > Stop. > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > *** Error code 1 > > [...] > >=20 > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but the = (working) box has > > been updated more often within the past two weeks. > >=20 > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console = prior to "make > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/= well known symptome. > >=20 > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > >=20 > > Thanks in advance > >=20 > > o.h. > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > A FreeBSD user > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 >=20 > =20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/j4275Sn8gXSTZwCgZqDcjbj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6YOewAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r4sHAQDqJhrKMpN7PDvEsaO45ltVk6Sn4aqI9Tylnrti6cnXHQEAl8MzviPFbnAn SKHbZ1R9SVi6U4irHlbrSq0e8PpzRAI= =gRdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/j4275Sn8gXSTZwCgZqDcjbj-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 15:47:14 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqJJv3m97z5mNW9 for ; 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It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-) >=20 > Will report in when finished/failes again ... >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Oliver =20 No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is pers= istant. > >=20 > > =20 > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/ke= rnel: No such file > > or directory =20 > > >=20 > > > Hello, > > >=20 > > > Host is actual running > > >=20 > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 2= 025 amd64 > > >=20 > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and in= stall kernel/world. > > >=20 > > > make kernel works fine. > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > >=20 > > > [...] =20 > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/k= ernel/ =20 > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/deb= ug/boot/kernel/ > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > *** Error code 71 > > >=20 > > > Stop. > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > > *** Error code 1 > > >=20 > > > Stop. > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > *** Error code 1 > > >=20 > > > Stop. > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > *** Error code 1 > > > [...] > > >=20 > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but th= e (working) box has > > > been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > >=20 > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong consol= e prior to "make > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typica= l/well known > > > symptome. > > >=20 > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? 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Regards, Ronald. Van: A FreeBSD User Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47 Aan: Ronald Klop CC: FreeBSD CURRENT Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100 > A FreeBSD User schrieb: > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > > > Does it work if you just do > > > > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ronald. > > > > > > Hello Ronald. > > > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish each time I start "make > > installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...). > > > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and do a complete new > > build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-) > > > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Oliver > > > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is persistant. > > > > > > > > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file > > > or directory > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Host is actual running > > > > > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 2025 amd64 > > > > > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and install kernel/world. > > > > > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > ===> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > ===> usb/mtw (install) > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but the (working) box has > > > > been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console prior to "make > > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/well known > > > > symptome. > > > > > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > o.h. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A FreeBSD user > > > > ------=_Part_3282_1314177431.1738943610041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf?

Regards,
Ronald.

 

Van: A FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47
Aan: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>
CC: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory

Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100
A FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de> schrieb:

> Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET)
> Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> schrieb:
>
> > Does it work if you just do
> >
> > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/
> >
> > and restart the make installkernel?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ronald.  
>
>
> Hello Ronald.
>
> I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish each time I start "make
> installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...).
>
> I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and do a complete new
> build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-)
>
> Will report in when finished/failes again ...
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Oliver  


No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is persistant.


> >
> >  
> > Van: A FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
> > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56
> > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
> > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file
> > or directory  
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Host is actual running
> > >
> > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 2025 amd64
> > >
> > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and install kernel/world.
> > >
> > > make kernel works fine.
> > > make installkernel bails out with:
> > >
> > > [...]    
> > > ===> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install)    
> > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444   rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/kernel/    
> > > ===> usb/mtw (install)    
> > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/
> > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/
> > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory
> > > *** Error code 71
> > >
> > > Stop.
> > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw
> > > *** Error code 1
> > >
> > > Stop.
> > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb
> > > *** Error code 1
> > >
> > > Stop.
> > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules
> > > *** Error code 1
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but the (working) box has
> > > been updated more often within the past two weeks.
> > >
> > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console prior to "make
> > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/well known
> > > symptome.
> > >
> > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > o.h.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > A FreeBSD user
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> >
> >    
>
>
>



-- 

A FreeBSD user
 

  ------=_Part_3282_1314177431.1738943610041-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 16:12:08 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqJsT69jKz5mQFT for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp6.goneo.de (smtp6.goneo.de [85.220.129.31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YqJsT5BFmz3glV for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub1.goneo.de (hub1.goneo.de [85.220.129.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp6.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA4DE240F3B; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:12:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub1.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B3F92405D8; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:12:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1738944762; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=/1ZnFZHQUpTrOAnJnrgci9138Bx9WQcZL88BZQROy5s=; b=N2pFLPppX2/nXjQWBO+dKkaYI6eJ+WiGi9l2aXlscXIRWL4wAf4apxw+D+PtWg7jS62+Lf R7mia84DBCabvQe4SakqbQ9iAbZ/2bHvunT2PX663574kzsPYJsJ3qdkHzRfttnfXiGgeU PsivJJGJmGqDPvmJE9J/8kp7fKcDHfQaa7Zm6IizGYLKJN0KlT0ruxtLthzWGwi6kSzScw xO6906SMJphj2tubNjrcNEXH4wtKE0LnB4cxSaR1NRgXhG9h4gJTrrV6tuBAy8yitR/vnc RlDSOAQDYJS1UzKl5lLYkUiYLYWtDFDmsv9RW4NYOyrPYXfagg8H8IK9iLM+Qw== Received: from thor.sb211.local (dynamic-2a02-3100-2517-1902-c80c-1bcb-ce5a-de38.310.pool.telefonica.de [IPv6:2a02:3100:2517:1902:c80c:1bcb:ce5a:de38]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub1.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA2982404BC; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:12:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:12:08 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory Message-ID: <20250207171235.1c3e3507@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: <1206160507.3283.1738943610064@localhost> References: <20250207135556.0318bab1@thor.sb211.local> <985946155.263.1738933704535@localhost> <20250207144321.5409c258@thor.sb211.local> <20250207164741.0c98a45c@thor.sb211.local> <1206160507.3283.1738943610064@localhost> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/aZ/8VBDE_KCcneCH42iRIXK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: 1d7121 X-Rspamd-UID: 44ac86 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YqJsT5BFmz3glV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:85.220.128.0/17, country:DE] --Sig_/aZ/8VBDE_KCcneCH42iRIXK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:30 +0100 (CET) Ronald Klop schrieb: > What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf? >=20 > Regards, > Ronald. Remark:=20 I use on all CURRENT boxes a special scheme for configuring the kernel/worl= d. The kernel config files are located in /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/, the kernel conf= ig file is /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/WALHALL (for a certain kernel): [...] include GENERIC include NODEVICE-WALHALL include "std.nodebug" include ADDON-WALHALL #makeoptions WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=3DYES makeoptions \ WITH_EXTRA_TCP_STACKS=3DYES,WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3DYES,-DWITH_MALLOC_PROD= UCTION ident WALHALL [...] NODEVICE-WALHALL: mostly GENERIC, but unwanted and unneeded options prepend= ed with "nooptions", same with devices not needed, prepended with "nodevice". Also an exchange/addendum: [...]=20 # For full debugger support use (turn off in stable branch): include "std.nodebug" to avoid debugging bloats. In ADDON-XXXXX there are several non-optional devices/options in place. I realised in my initial post this: > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kern= el/ > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib= /debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > > *** Error code 71 usb/mtw is the ONLY(!) line in the whole output indicating the debug instal= l of a kernel module, although I thought I had all DEBUG stuff disabled. /etc/make.conf: mostly vanilla, except this last line: [...] ## ## make.conf.local ## .include "/usr/local/etc/make.conf.local" In /usr/local/etc/make.conf.local we setup some special treatments of sever= al ports (options). No world settings. /etc/src.conf is : # CPUTYPE?=3D native # World #CFLAGS+=3D -O3 # Kernel #COPTFLAGS+=3D -O3 # #CXXFLAGS+=3D -std=3Dc++22 # WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=3D YES #WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS=3D YES # WITH_OFED_EXTRAS=3D YES # #WITH_BSD_GREP=3D YES # WITH_BEARSSL=3D YES # WITH_SORT_THREADS=3D YES # WITH_ZONEINFO_LEAPSECONDS_SUPPORT=3D YES # WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3D YES # WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=3D YES WITHOUT_TESTS=3D YES WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=3D YES # WITHOUT_CLEAN=3D YES # WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD=3D YES # WITHOUT_LOADER_PXEBOOT=3D YES #PXEBOOT_DEFAULT_INTERP=3D 4th LOADERSIZE?=3D 525000 # WITH_BHYVE_SNAPSHOT=3D YES # NOINSTALL_DEBUG=3D YES KERNCONF=3D WALHALL KERNCONFDIR=3D /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/ >=20 > =20 > Van: A FreeBSD User > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47 > Aan: Ronald Klop > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/= kernel: No such > file or directory > >=20 > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100 > > A FreeBSD User schrieb: > > =20 > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) > > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > =20 > > > > Does it work if you just do > > > > > > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ronald. =20 > > > > > > > > > Hello Ronald. > > > > > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish e= ach time I start > > > "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel ins= tall ...). > > > > > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly a= nd do a complete new > > > build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;= -) > > > > > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Oliver =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is = persistant. > >=20 > > =20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boo= t/kernel: No such > > > > file or directory =20 > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Host is actual running > > > > > > > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 C= ET 2025 amd64 > > > > > > > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") an= d install > > > > > kernel/world. > > > > > > > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > > > > > > > > [...] =20 > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /bo= ot/kernel/ =20 > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kern= el/ > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib= /debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, bu= t the (working) box > > > > > has been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong co= nsole prior to "make > > > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a ty= pical/well known > > > > > symptome. > > > > > > > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? 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This if_mtw code is pretty new: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=c14b016242613da79516e83fc6faef35d827cc18 Maybe something is not compatible with your NODEBUG settings. Van: A FreeBSD User Datum: 7 februari 2025 17:12 Aan: Ronald Klop CC: FreeBSD CURRENT Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:30 +0100 (CET) > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf? > > > > Regards, > > Ronald. > > Remark: > > I use on all CURRENT boxes a special scheme for configuring the kernel/world. The kernel > config files are located in /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/, the kernel config file is > > /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/WALHALL (for a certain kernel): > > [...] > include GENERIC > include NODEVICE-WALHALL > include "std.nodebug" > include ADDON-WALHALL > > #makeoptions WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=YES > makeoptions > WITH_EXTRA_TCP_STACKS=YES,WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=YES,-DWITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION > > ident WALHALL > [...] > > NODEVICE-WALHALL: mostly GENERIC, but unwanted and unneeded options prepended with > "nooptions", same with devices not needed, prepended with "nodevice". > Also an exchange/addendum: > [...] > # For full debugger support use (turn off in stable branch): > include "std.nodebug" > to avoid debugging bloats. > > In ADDON-XXXXX there are several non-optional devices/options in place. > > I realised in my initial post this: > > > > > > > ===> usb/mtw (install) > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > usb/mtw is the ONLY(!) line in the whole output indicating the debug install of a kernel > module, although I thought I had all DEBUG stuff disabled. > > > /etc/make.conf: > > mostly vanilla, except this last line: > [...] > ## > ## make.conf.local > ## > .include "/usr/local/etc/make.conf.local" > > In /usr/local/etc/make.conf.local we setup some special treatments of several ports (options). > No world settings. > > > /etc/src.conf is : > > # > CPUTYPE?= native > # World > #CFLAGS+= -O3 > # Kernel > #COPTFLAGS+= -O3 > # > #CXXFLAGS+= -std=c++22 > # > WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS= YES > #WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS= YES > # > WITH_OFED_EXTRAS= YES > # > #WITH_BSD_GREP= YES > # > WITH_BEARSSL= YES > # > WITH_SORT_THREADS= YES > # > WITH_ZONEINFO_LEAPSECONDS_SUPPORT= YES > # > WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION= YES > # > WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG= YES > WITHOUT_TESTS= YES > WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES= YES > # > WITHOUT_CLEAN= YES > # > WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD= YES > # > WITHOUT_LOADER_PXEBOOT= YES > #PXEBOOT_DEFAULT_INTERP= 4th > LOADERSIZE?= 525000 > # > WITH_BHYVE_SNAPSHOT= YES > # > NOINSTALL_DEBUG= YES > > KERNCONF= WALHALL > KERNCONFDIR= /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/ > > > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47 > > Aan: Ronald Klop > > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT > > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such > > file or directory > > > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100 > > > A FreeBSD User schrieb: > > > > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) > > > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > > > > > > > Does it work if you just do > > > > > > > > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Ronald. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ronald. > > > > > > > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish each time I start > > > > "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...). > > > > > > > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and do a complete new > > > > build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-) > > > > > > > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Oliver > > > > > > > > > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is persistant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such > > > > > file or directory > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > Host is actual running > > > > > > > > > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 2025 amd64 > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and install > > > > > > kernel/world. > > > > > > > > > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > ===> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > > > ===> usb/mtw (install) > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but the (working) box > > > > > > has been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console prior to "make > > > > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/well known > > > > > > symptome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > o.h. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > ------=_Part_2993_1703446821.1738945130704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Well. This if_mtw code is pretty new:


Maybe something is not compatible with your NODEBUG settings. 



Van: A FreeBSD User <freebsd@walstatt-de.de>
Datum: 7 februari 2025 17:12
Aan: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws>
CC: FreeBSD CURRENT <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>
Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory

Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:30 +0100 (CET)
Ronald Klop schrieb:

> What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf?
>
> Regards,
> Ronald.

Remark:

I use on all CURRENT boxes a special scheme for configuring the kernel/world. The kernel
config files are located in /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/, the kernel config file is

/etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/WALHALL (for a certain kernel):

[...]
include         GENERIC
include         NODEVICE-WALHALL
include        "std.nodebug"
include         ADDON-WALHALL

#makeoptions    WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=YES
makeoptions
WITH_EXTRA_TCP_STACKS=YES,WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=YES,-DWITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION

ident           WALHALL
[...]

NODEVICE-WALHALL: mostly GENERIC, but unwanted and unneeded options prepended with
"nooptions", same with devices not needed, prepended with "nodevice".
Also an exchange/addendum:
[...]
# For full debugger support use (turn off in stable branch):
include "std.nodebug"
to avoid debugging bloats.

In ADDON-XXXXX there are several non-optional devices/options in place.

I realised in my initial post this:

> > > > > ===> usb/mtw (install)      
> > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/
> > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/
> > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory
> > > > > *** Error code 71


usb/mtw is the ONLY(!) line in the whole output indicating the debug install of a kernel
module, although I thought I had all DEBUG stuff disabled.


/etc/make.conf:

mostly vanilla, except this last line:
[...]
##
##  make.conf.local
##
.include "/usr/local/etc/make.conf.local"

In /usr/local/etc/make.conf.local we setup some special treatments of several ports (options).
No world settings.


/etc/src.conf is :

#
CPUTYPE?=                               native
# World
#CFLAGS+=                               -O3
# Kernel
#COPTFLAGS+=                            -O3
#
#CXXFLAGS+=                             -std=c++22
#
WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=              YES
#WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS=            YES
#
WITH_OFED_EXTRAS=               YES
#
#WITH_BSD_GREP=                 YES
#
WITH_BEARSSL=                   YES
#
WITH_SORT_THREADS=              YES
#
WITH_ZONEINFO_LEAPSECONDS_SUPPORT=      YES
#
WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION= YES
#
WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=   YES
WITHOUT_TESTS=                  YES
WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=    YES
#
WITHOUT_CLEAN=                  YES
#
WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD=     YES
#
WITHOUT_LOADER_PXEBOOT= YES
#PXEBOOT_DEFAULT_INTERP=        4th
LOADERSIZE?=                    525000
#
WITH_BHYVE_SNAPSHOT=    YES
#
NOINSTALL_DEBUG=                YES

KERNCONF=                               WALHALL
KERNCONFDIR=                    /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/
>
>  
> Van: A FreeBSD User
> Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47
> Aan: Ronald Klop
> CC: FreeBSD CURRENT
> Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such
> file or directory
> >
> > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100
> > A FreeBSD User schrieb:
> >   
> > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET)
> > > Ronald Klop schrieb:
> > >  
> > > > Does it work if you just do
> > > >
> > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/
> > > >
> > > > and restart the make installkernel?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ronald.    
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Ronald.
> > >
> > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish each time I start
> > > "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...).
> > >
> > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and do a complete new
> > > build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-)
> > >
> > > Will report in when finished/failes again ...
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Oliver    
> >
> >
> > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is persistant.
> >
> >   
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > Van: A FreeBSD User
> > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56
> > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT
> > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such
> > > > file or directory    
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Host is actual running
> > > > >
> > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET 2025 amd64
> > > > >
> > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and install
> > > > > kernel/world.
> > > > >
> > > > > make kernel works fine.
> > > > > make installkernel bails out with:
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]      
> > > > > ===> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install)      
> > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444   rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot/kernel/      
> > > > > ===> usb/mtw (install)      
> > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/
> > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444   if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/
> > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory
> > > > > *** Error code 71
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop.
> > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw
> > > > > *** Error code 1
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop.
> > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb
> > > > > *** Error code 1
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop.
> > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules
> > > > > *** Error code 1
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but the (working) box
> > > > > has been updated more often within the past two weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong console prior to "make
> > > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typical/well known
> > > > > symptome.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > >
> > > > > o.h.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > A FreeBSD user
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >        
> > > >
> > > >      
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > A FreeBSD user
> >
> >
> >
> >    
>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:22:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:21:55 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory Message-ID: <20250207172222.16703b74@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: <20250207164741.0c98a45c@thor.sb211.local> References: <20250207135556.0318bab1@thor.sb211.local> <985946155.263.1738933704535@localhost> <20250207144321.5409c258@thor.sb211.local> <20250207164741.0c98a45c@thor.sb211.local> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/Ts5lupCGohZuu.9jEwGv88l"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: a0df0b X-Rspamd-UID: e81c4f X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; 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I have a feeling, apart from the fact that the install process tries to ins= tall "debug" files (-T dbg, althoug debug should be disabled globally: install -T dbg -o root = -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/) that my mtree templates could = be corrupted during an incomplete etcupdate run ...? > > >=20 > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > > Ronald. =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hello Ronald. > >=20 > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vanish eac= h time I start "make > > installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel install ...= ). > >=20 > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additionaly and= do a complete new > > build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 years old hardware ;-) > >=20 > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > >=20 > > Kind regards, > >=20 > > Oliver =20 >=20 >=20 > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure is pe= rsistant. >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > > Van: A FreeBSD User > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/= kernel: No such file > > > or directory =20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hello, > > > >=20 > > > > Host is actual running > > > >=20 > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:38 CET= 2025 amd64 > > > >=20 > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld") and = install > > > > kernel/world. > > > >=20 > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > >=20 > > > > [...] =20 > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko /boot= /kernel/ =20 > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/kernel/ > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug /usr/lib/d= ebug/boot/kernel/ > > > > install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory > > > > *** Error code 71 > > > >=20 > > > > Stop. > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb/mtw > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > >=20 > > > > Stop. > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > >=20 > > > > Stop. > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > [...] > > > >=20 > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up, but = the (working) box > > > > has been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > >=20 > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wrong cons= ole prior to "make > > > > installworld", but I do not know wether the failure shown is a typi= cal/well known > > > > symptome. > > > >=20 > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > > > >=20 > > > > Thanks in advance > > > >=20 > > > > o.h. > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > >=20 > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/Ts5lupCGohZuu.9jEwGv88l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6YzPgAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r2GsAP9aXHHGHM2+3ArL7tKdzO2Bk2dyLXgLoz7unANwiN0CnwEAkhgJDqwOfUdi e/6DS8hXzGyMhCXKQ/kEuP06QyFcMgI= =cGMs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Ts5lupCGohZuu.9jEwGv88l-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 16:51:46 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqKl65M2qz5mTHs for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Received: from smtp052.goneo.de (smtp052.goneo.de [85.220.129.60]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YqKl63Rfmz3v8w for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 16:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@walstatt-de.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from hub2.goneo.de (hub2.goneo.de [85.220.129.53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp5.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F53E240E41; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:52:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from hub2.goneo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2BC7240514; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:52:14 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=walstatt-de.de; s=DKIM001; t=1738947134; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=tpBC8/gJV2UDGYMkq3Qoc5hPl+Vdd6NLssKc1Cno4eI=; b=JNvRa3YHH/LVURsPev/aeGvFnQYucjKbiG5pgzr7g2TbbcF16LAbWe3eqnj8xVZdu/G0hK IHBza0a5RucUv3z1btr42OZ98AP78Wj1VzolObhZEqZYwA5S6wJFT7ybxCk5sx3XqFUMbv UJcbfIf+2ImKzM3SfFPVWJEGWiCWmzUFSc0SSTKtO98jJxVJclBc++9iKSilHp2j5XFBvx IXBjmwGxKjnlQbtagLJSbfn0WL3I28AAc25Js1pKMvo9lmpBTAH3nZ9VE7o3vz71F+RNkB F0R9MOx8r4mPYsmSl/ycipqc+CtpfGBLcyZWUn52MvnreHnhiLtcG+YEnIMUwQ== Received: from thor.sb211.local (dynamic-2a02-3100-28ef-8502-f18f-a6e8-96c2-dbc1.310.pool.telefonica.de [IPv6:2a02:3100:28ef:8502:f18f:a6e8:96c2:dbc1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hub2.goneo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C63B2403AB; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:52:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:51:46 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory Message-ID: <20250207174309.6c0f7022@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: <618457604.2994.1738945130707@localhost> References: <20250207171235.1c3e3507@thor.sb211.local> <618457604.2994.1738945130707@localhost> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/925nX6sI.hxrezPLuT.KnH3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: af8f87 X-Rspamd-UID: e9372e X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YqKl63Rfmz3v8w X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25394, ipnet:85.220.128.0/17, country:DE] --Sig_/925nX6sI.hxrezPLuT.KnH3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 17:18:50 +0100 (CET) Ronald Klop schrieb: > Well. This if_mtw code is pretty new: >=20 > https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Dc14b016242613da79516e83fc6faef3= 5d827cc18 There is also a manpage for if_mtw(4) missing (man mtw exists, man if_mtw d= oes not), I just filed a PR for that to not forget about it ... ;-) >=20 >=20 > Maybe something is not compatible with your NODEBUG settings. Well, if so, it must be very, very special to that particular machine and d= epending on a tiny detail. As aformentioned, another "sibbling machine", also running most rec= ent CURRENT, but updated (buildworld/buildkernel) within the past two weeks more often does = not show this nasty problem, althoug having the very same setup scheme - except the kernel name= is different (hardware quite the same ancient crap, brand, model ...).=20 This drives me nuts ... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Van: A FreeBSD User > Datum: 7 februari 2025 17:12 > Aan: Ronald Klop > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/= kernel: No such > file or directory >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:30 +0100 (CET) > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > =20 > > > What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf? > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > > Ronald. =20 > >=20 > > Remark:=20 > >=20 > > I use on all CURRENT boxes a special scheme for configuring the kernel/= world. The kernel > > config files are located in /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/, the kernel = config file is > >=20 > > /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/WALHALL (for a certain kernel): > >=20 > > [...] > > include GENERIC > > include NODEVICE-WALHALL > > include "std.nodebug" > > include ADDON-WALHALL > >=20 > > #makeoptions WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=3DYES > > makeoptions=20 > > WITH_EXTRA_TCP_STACKS=3DYES,WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3DYES,-DWITH_MALLOC_= PRODUCTION > >=20 > > ident WALHALL > > [...] > >=20 > > NODEVICE-WALHALL: mostly GENERIC, but unwanted and unneeded options pre= pended with > > "nooptions", same with devices not needed, prepended with "nodevice". > > Also an exchange/addendum: > > [...]=20 > > # For full debugger support use (turn off in stable branch): > > include "std.nodebug" > > to avoid debugging bloats. > >=20 > > In ADDON-XXXXX there are several non-optional devices/options in place. > >=20 > > I realised in my initial post this: > > =20 > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/= kernel/ > > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug > > > > > > > /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kern= el: No such file or > > > > > > > directory *** Error code 71 =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > usb/mtw is the ONLY(!) line in the whole output indicating the debug in= stall of a kernel > > module, although I thought I had all DEBUG stuff disabled. > >=20 > >=20 > > /etc/make.conf: > >=20 > > mostly vanilla, except this last line: > > [...] > > ## > > ## make.conf.local > > ## > > .include "/usr/local/etc/make.conf.local" > >=20 > > In /usr/local/etc/make.conf.local we setup some special treatments of s= everal ports > > (options). No world settings. > >=20 > >=20 > > /etc/src.conf is : > >=20 > > # > > CPUTYPE?=3D native > > # World > > #CFLAGS+=3D -O3 > > # Kernel > > #COPTFLAGS+=3D -O3 > > # > > #CXXFLAGS+=3D -std=3Dc++22 > > # > > WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=3D YES > > #WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS=3D YES > > # > > WITH_OFED_EXTRAS=3D YES > > # > > #WITH_BSD_GREP=3D YES > > # > > WITH_BEARSSL=3D YES > > # > > WITH_SORT_THREADS=3D YES > > # > > WITH_ZONEINFO_LEAPSECONDS_SUPPORT=3D YES > > # > > WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=3D YES > > WITHOUT_TESTS=3D YES > > WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_CLEAN=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_LOADER_PXEBOOT=3D YES > > #PXEBOOT_DEFAULT_INTERP=3D 4th > > LOADERSIZE?=3D 525000 > > # > > WITH_BHYVE_SNAPSHOT=3D YES > > # > > NOINSTALL_DEBUG=3D YES > >=20 > > KERNCONF=3D WALHALL > > KERNCONFDIR=3D /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/ =20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > > Van: A FreeBSD User=20 > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47 > > > Aan: Ronald Klop=20 > > > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT=20 > > > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/b= oot/kernel: No such > > > file or directory =20 > > > >=20 > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100 > > > > A FreeBSD User schrieb: > > > > =20 > > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) > > > > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > > > =20 > > > > > > Does it work if you just do > > > > > > > > > > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > > > > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ronald. =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ronald. > > > > > > > > > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vani= sh each time I start > > > > > "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel= install ...). > > > > > > > > > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additiona= ly and do a > > > > > complete new build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 yea= rs old hardware ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Oliver =20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure= is persistant. > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User=20 > > > > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT=20 > > > > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug= /boot/kernel: No > > > > > > such file or directory =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Host is actual running > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:= 38 CET 2025 amd64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld"= ) and install > > > > > > > kernel/world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] =20 > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko= /boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/= kernel/ > > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug > > > > > > > /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kern= el: No such file or > > > > > > > directory *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb= /mtw > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up= , but the (working) > > > > > > > box has been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wron= g console prior to > > > > > > > "make installworld", but I do not know wether the failure sho= wn is a > > > > > > > typical/well known symptome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o.h. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > >=20 > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > A FreeBSD user > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/925nX6sI.hxrezPLuT.KnH3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6Y6PQAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r4iVAP9QUH0JRZRRhbPi46Qd2YV95MmuE/3E2eM+GMmbbjCbXwEAu0mGAwucCThX 7mBMFhjbcThCyMoMMf6aHnQ39qTVAQ8= =P3jH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/925nX6sI.hxrezPLuT.KnH3-- From nobody Sat Feb 8 19:13:10 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Yr0r50bSVz5n4LV for ; 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Sat, 8 Feb 2025 20:13:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 20:13:10 +0100 From: A FreeBSD User To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT Subject: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel: No such file or directory Message-ID: <20250208201337.55bd5885@thor.sb211.local> In-Reply-To: <618457604.2994.1738945130707@localhost> References: <20250207171235.1c3e3507@thor.sb211.local> <618457604.2994.1738945130707@localhost> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/2IvZAWbNOnMlYxmLx1y90Vw"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Rspamd-UID: e02160 X-Rspamd-UID: 8edd82 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; 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This if_mtw code is pretty new: >=20 > https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=3Dc14b016242613da79516e83fc6faef3= 5d827cc18 >=20 >=20 > Maybe something is not compatible with your NODEBUG settings.=20 Problem has been solved with git: 2be8b121bf82 - main - mtw(4) remove misplaced DEBUG_FLAGS >=20 >=20 >=20 > Van: A FreeBSD User > Datum: 7 februari 2025 17:12 > Aan: Ronald Klop > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/= kernel: No such > file or directory >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:53:30 +0100 (CET) > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > =20 > > > What is in your /etc/make.conf and /etc/src.conf? > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > > Ronald. =20 > >=20 > > Remark:=20 > >=20 > > I use on all CURRENT boxes a special scheme for configuring the kernel/= world. The kernel > > config files are located in /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/, the kernel = config file is > >=20 > > /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/WALHALL (for a certain kernel): > >=20 > > [...] > > include GENERIC > > include NODEVICE-WALHALL > > include "std.nodebug" > > include ADDON-WALHALL > >=20 > > #makeoptions WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=3DYES > > makeoptions=20 > > WITH_EXTRA_TCP_STACKS=3DYES,WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3DYES,-DWITH_MALLOC_= PRODUCTION > >=20 > > ident WALHALL > > [...] > >=20 > > NODEVICE-WALHALL: mostly GENERIC, but unwanted and unneeded options pre= pended with > > "nooptions", same with devices not needed, prepended with "nodevice". > > Also an exchange/addendum: > > [...]=20 > > # For full debugger support use (turn off in stable branch): > > include "std.nodebug" > > to avoid debugging bloats. > >=20 > > In ADDON-XXXXX there are several non-optional devices/options in place. > >=20 > > I realised in my initial post this: > > =20 > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/= kernel/ > > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug > > > > > > > /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kern= el: No such file or > > > > > > > directory *** Error code 71 =20 > >=20 > >=20 > > usb/mtw is the ONLY(!) line in the whole output indicating the debug in= stall of a kernel > > module, although I thought I had all DEBUG stuff disabled. > >=20 > >=20 > > /etc/make.conf: > >=20 > > mostly vanilla, except this last line: > > [...] > > ## > > ## make.conf.local > > ## > > .include "/usr/local/etc/make.conf.local" > >=20 > > In /usr/local/etc/make.conf.local we setup some special treatments of s= everal ports > > (options). No world settings. > >=20 > >=20 > > /etc/src.conf is : > >=20 > > # > > CPUTYPE?=3D native > > # World > > #CFLAGS+=3D -O3 > > # Kernel > > #COPTFLAGS+=3D -O3 > > # > > #CXXFLAGS+=3D -std=3Dc++22 > > # > > WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=3D YES > > #WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS=3D YES > > # > > WITH_OFED_EXTRAS=3D YES > > # > > #WITH_BSD_GREP=3D YES > > # > > WITH_BEARSSL=3D YES > > # > > WITH_SORT_THREADS=3D YES > > # > > WITH_ZONEINFO_LEAPSECONDS_SUPPORT=3D YES > > # > > WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_ASSERT_DEBUG=3D YES > > WITHOUT_TESTS=3D YES > > WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_CLEAN=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_REPRODUCIBLE_BUILD=3D YES > > # > > WITHOUT_LOADER_PXEBOOT=3D YES > > #PXEBOOT_DEFAULT_INTERP=3D 4th > > LOADERSIZE?=3D 525000 > > # > > WITH_BHYVE_SNAPSHOT=3D YES > > # > > NOINSTALL_DEBUG=3D YES > >=20 > > KERNCONF=3D WALHALL > > KERNCONFDIR=3D /etc/config/amd64/kernel_conf/ =20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > > Van: A FreeBSD User=20 > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 16:47 > > > Aan: Ronald Klop=20 > > > CC: FreeBSD CURRENT=20 > > > Onderwerp: Re: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug/b= oot/kernel: No such > > > file or directory =20 > > > >=20 > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:45:04 +0100 > > > > A FreeBSD User schrieb: > > > > =20 > > > > > Am Fri, 7 Feb 2025 14:08:24 +0100 (CET) > > > > > Ronald Klop schrieb: > > > > > =20 > > > > > > Does it work if you just do > > > > > > > > > > > > mkdir -p /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > > > > > > and restart the make installkernel? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ronald. =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Ronald. > > > > > > > > > > I already did that, but the newly created directory seems to vani= sh each time I start > > > > > "make installkernel" or "make kernel" (or with "-j8" for parallel= install ...). > > > > > > > > > > I've issued newly "make cleanworld" and "make cleandir" additiona= ly and do a > > > > > complete new build - again. It takes a least an hour on my 12 yea= rs old hardware ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Will report in when finished/failes again ... > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Oliver =20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > No luck! After a complete fresh buildworld/buildkernel, the failure= is persistant. > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > Van: A FreeBSD User=20 > > > > > > Datum: vrijdag, 7 februari 2025 13:56 > > > > > > Aan: FreeBSD CURRENT=20 > > > > > > Onderwerp: make installkernel: failure: install: /usr/lib/debug= /boot/kernel: No > > > > > > such file or directory =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Host is actual running > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15.0-CURRENT #40 main-n275030-46a9fb7287f4: Sat Jan 25 07:09:= 38 CET 2025 amd64 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to rebuild (from clean/scratch after "make cleanworld"= ) and install > > > > > > > kernel/world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make kernel works fine. > > > > > > > make installkernel bails out with: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] =20 > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/rsufw/rsurtl8712fw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 rsu-rtl8712fw.ko= /boot/kernel/ > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D> usb/mtw (install) =20 > > > > > > > install -T release -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko /boot/= kernel/ > > > > > > > install -T dbg -o root -g wheel -m 444 if_mtw.ko.debug > > > > > > > /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel/ install: /usr/lib/debug/boot/kern= el: No such file or > > > > > > > directory *** Error code 71 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[5]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb= /mtw > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[4]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules/usb > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop. > > > > > > > make[3]: stopped making "install" in /usr/src/sys/modules > > > > > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a similar box running CURRENT this failure doesn't show up= , but the (working) > > > > > > > box has been updated more often within the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear that I might have issued "make delete-old" on the wron= g console prior to > > > > > > > "make installworld", but I do not know wether the failure sho= wn is a > > > > > > > typical/well known symptome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any tips and tricks to fix this nasty failure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o.h. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > >=20 > > > > A FreeBSD user > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > >=20 > > A FreeBSD user > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 --=20 A FreeBSD user --Sig_/2IvZAWbNOnMlYxmLx1y90Vw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRQheDybVktG5eW/1Kxzvs8OqokrwUCZ6es4gAKCRCxzvs8Oqok r0TiAP47ifSsg2oiK9032lnETTYd86GsWkVJ9PTZBEBo9fy5DAD+OOFalySv6gew SNzXoKc+5uzdstfUf6YAM4Rg2y+1cw0= =yQYR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/2IvZAWbNOnMlYxmLx1y90Vw-- From nobody Sun Feb 9 15:27:02 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YrWm42cL0z5mYh9 for ; 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Sun, 09 Feb 2025 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rick Macklem Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 07:27:02 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZlOa8Rn9N7mt-IJI2PoqXojgMRE_DlOn-CqQdceumfQA4WnS6EfHwRlqcM Message-ID: Subject: RFC: Bugzilla PR#284616 To: FreeBSD CURRENT Cc: "florian.millet@laposte.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[laposte.net]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52e:from] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YrWm31t9sz3LtT Hi, Florian reports that the --maxthreads option for nfsd, which defaults to 8 * ncpus is not restricted by the MAXNFSDCNT constant. He is correct, however my personal option is that this is a feature and not a bug. Below you will find what I said as a comment on the PR. I'd like to get a "collective opinion" on this, so please comment w.r.t. whether you think the MAXNFSDCNT limit of 256 should be enforced for --maxthreads. Here is what I said in the bugzilla PR (with a few typos fixed): I would consider this behaviour (ignoring MAXNFSDCNT) a feature and not a bug. MAXNFSDCNT is cruft left over from decades ago when nfsd kernel threads were processes. You'll notice some ancient cruft where children[MAXNFSCNT] is defined, but only children[0] is actually used. (That cruft should be cleared out, but it is harmless.) You'll also notice that MAXNFSDCNT is defined as 256 and I am pretty sure that there are servers that want to use more than that limit now (and have been able to do so for more than a decade, due to the commit you mention). To change that now would be a POLA violation, imho. Why don't you just use the --maxthreads option to set the limit to what you need? (If this doesn't work, that is a bug that needs to be fixed.) I'll admit that "man nfsd" is misleading, in that it states that "-n" is the equivalent of setting both --minthreads and --maxthreads to the same value. This is inaccurate, as you note. It should say that "-n" is deprecated in favor of --minthreads, --maxthreads. Note that having too many kernel threads does not impact the system much. An inactive kernel thread mostly just uses a few pages for its kernel stack. (Minimal compared to the "processes" used decades ago.) Thanks for your comments, rick