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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1efba7af3ee495b91d0c0ca9cbc3ce08; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 00:51:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: WARNING: looks like main-amd64-default (latest) will only have 519 port-packages distributed for 11+ days [main-arm64 in process now too, only 514 for 16+ days] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 17:51:29 -0700 References: To: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Current In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.076]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.148:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c4vLB3ys2z3vlv On Aug 17, 2025, at 08:49, Mark Millard wrote: > = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy18/build.html?mastername=3Dmain-amd64-= default&build=3Dp98b748365fe6_sc6778f3a442 >=20 > shows that a special build of main-amd64-default (latest) has > happened as a part of dealing with changes associated with > 15.0-PRERLEASE status. >=20 > It is a from-scratch build that has established: >=20 > Host OSVERSION: 1500061 > Jail OSVERSION: 1500061 >=20 > which is after some library .so.* version number changes. > Prior to this build, the distributed pkg builds were too old > for main-amd64's 15.0-PRERELEASE . >=20 > Only 40 packages were explicitly listed/requested and those > lead to only 519 packages being built. beefy18 is the system > used for main-amd64 port-package builds. >=20 > beefy 18 has been taking 260 Hrs to 270 Hrs to build a full > set of packages. Getting copies to the distribution servers > around the world is a separate step I do not have time > frames for. >=20 > So: around 11+ days --once beefy18's full/normal builds are > started-- before a full set of port-packages will be > available. FYI: ampere2 (builds main-arm64 and main-armv7) activity was stopped and it is now doing a similar main-arm64 build: 40 requested, queued 514, 2 ignored. Still in process, with no failures so far. Full main-arm64 builds take more like 400 Hrs, so 16 days or more. Presuming that main-arm64 is full-built before main-armv7 . . . Looks like main-arm64 will have only 514 port packages distributed for 16+ days once the special, small build has finished and is distributed. The build may have to be redone because it is based on f9ff1e48cc1, which has been reverted for debug-kernel panics from an incorrect assert when using nfs mounted file systems. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Mon Aug 18 05:52:18 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c521244mbz64gJn for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta004.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c52116QYmz3KJv for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=permerror reason="p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com" header.from=cschubert.com (policy=permerror); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com designates 3.97.99.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com Received: from shw-obgw-4001a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.142]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id ngatuHMfr5Mqynsn7usrjD; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:52:21 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id nsn5ubOFdWX70nsn6ud9r7; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:52:21 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=d71WygjE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=68a2bf95 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2OwXVqhp2XgA:10 a=Gz7s5_CCAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=Rk-M77FJAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=IEyuxA9iCegVlB61KgwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0X-IUJ9AbQA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=ef1k35tKgZpiIrJ2aQ5N:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy.cwsent.com [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022223D2; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D8235126; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: f1c4c3daccba - main - krb5: Update MIT KRB5 from 1.21 to 1.22 In-reply-to: References: <202508100532.57A5W4Dl038254@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <87zfby8jv6.wl-herbert@gojira.at> Comments: In-reply-to Lexi Winter message dated "Sun, 17 Aug 2025 08:59:30 +0100." 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Skuhra: > > On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 07:32:04 +0200, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > krb5: Update MIT KRB5 from 1.21 to 1.22 > >=20 > > krb5-1.22 is withdrawn: > >=20 > > Due to a critical bug, krb5-1.22 has been withdrawn, and krb5-1.21.3 is= > =20 > > again the latest supported release. krb5-1.22.1 will be issued with a=20 > > correction. > > i assume the bug in question is this one: > https://krbdev.mit.edu/rt/Ticket/Display.html?id=3D9181 That bug was announced on the krbdev ML yesterday. > > the ticket doesn't mention whether it has any security impact or not. > if not, we're probably better off waiting for 1.22.1 rather than > reverting. A patch has been posted to the krbdev ML. It will be released in krb5 1.22.1 in a few days. I'm watching the ML for the release announcement. You can find our review at https://reviews.freebsd.org/D51990. 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Getting copies to the distribution servers >> around the world is a separate step I do not have time >> frames for. >>=20 >> So: around 11+ days --once beefy18's full/normal builds are >> started-- before a full set of port-packages will be >> available. >=20 > FYI: >=20 > ampere2 (builds main-arm64 and main-armv7) activity was stopped > and it is now doing a similar main-arm64 build: 40 requested, > queued 514, 2 ignored. Still in process, with no failures so > far. >=20 > Full main-arm64 builds take more like 400 Hrs, so 16 days > or more. Presuming that main-arm64 is full-built before > main-armv7 . . . >=20 > Looks like main-arm64 will have only 514 port packages > distributed for 16+ days once the special, small build has > finished and is distributed. >=20 > The build may have to be redone because it is based on > f9ff1e48cc1, which has been reverted for debug-kernel > panics from an incorrect assert when using nfs mounted > file systems. main-armv7 is being built with 36995 queued and 1747 ignored, and 776 initially skipped. 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This is because of the upcoming release -- we're currently in "code slush", which in theory means "don't break stuff" but in practice means "oh no there's a release coming I need to get stuff into the tree ASAP". Which, to be fair, is partly my doing since I've explicitly been encouraging people to hurry up and get stuff into the tree so that things break *now* and not *later*. In any event, as Mark Millard noted (thank you Mark, I should have written about this earlier) the pkg repositories currently have a very small subset of packages, and will be this way until full package builds complete. This was necessary because library updates (mainly libcrypto but not just that) meant that the existing packages couldn't run on the latest HEAD, and this was preventing me from even doing weekly snapshot builds. So I asked pkgmgr to do a special "only the packages re@ needs" build since that could complete quickly -- and as of a few hours ago we have a full snapshot build for 15.0, including install media, VM images, cloudware, and OCI containers. I'm *hoping* that things will be a bit smoother from here on; there may be a bit of a hiccup with wifi (Bjoern has mentioned a potential KBI break coming up) but the kmods repository builds quickly so with luck that won't cause too many problems. With luck, we'll have weekly snapshots from now on following the normal schedule (every Thursday). 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi 15.0 users, Some of you may have noticed that things are a bit bumpy right now. This is because of the upcoming release -- we're currently in "code slush", which in theory means "don't break stuff" but in practice means "oh no there's a release coming I need to get stuff into the tree ASAP". Which, to be fair, is partly my doing since I've explicitly been encouraging people to hurry up and get stuff into the tree so that things break *now* and not *later*. In any event, as Mark Millard noted (thank you Mark, I should have written about this earlier) the pkg repositories currently have a very small subset of packages, and will be this way until full package builds complete. This was necessary because library updates (mainly libcrypto but not just that) meant that the existing packages couldn't run on the latest HEAD, and this was preventing me from even doing weekly snapshot builds. So I asked pkgmgr to do a special "only the packages re@ needs" build since that could complete quickly -- and as of a few hours ago we have a full snapshot build for 15.0, including install media, VM images, cloudware, and OCI containers. I'm *hoping* that things will be a bit smoother from here on; there may be a bit of a hiccup with wifi (Bjoern has mentioned a potential KBI break coming up) but the kmods repository builds quickly so with luck that won't cause too many problems. With luck, we'll have weekly snapshots from now on following the normal schedule (every Thursday). We're still on schedule for stable/15 to branch on September 5th, at which point we'll have 15.0-ALPHA1/2/3/4 coming out weekly before releng/15.0 is branched at the start of October. -- Colin Percival FreeBSD Release Engineering Lead & EC2 platform maintainer Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid From nobody Tue Aug 19 17:56:33 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c5y2K6MJbz65KTG for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgopensource@proton.me) Received: from mail-24417.protonmail.ch (mail-24417.protonmail.ch [109.224.244.17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c5y2H66Lcz45vR for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgopensource@proton.me) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=proton.me header.s=protonmail header.b=CN8UNHxB; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=proton.me; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jgopensource@proton.me designates 109.224.244.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgopensource@proton.me DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1755626196; x=1755885396; bh=dbcr6L1FQzJCzEHU8UH4smVd+lKLJ6psHJL9csmId8o=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=CN8UNHxBjPhadP/aK7QL50d4ilzFFlTzKkKqrgqFzRfE3lJPJPJU19Z0jAdJ09Vau aNLEXY8RPNyUCWcVKyiRivJtQevm3y57BUvu52aH2usIczP6oZcwvAReFEGXbzLH2S kxPn23hh8CgrbPXOIiwupLYl0imiD8qU19CwrVsDlxQ9g9jUqdkOZj9QLxsoxoYd9z mnkxC2dDS8LcMZSdZY8SLTVMoXkN3hp4pSBiPscOm7HKD6YjH42j/vIJTv4Nf1zHYY cC+n3L0Kl9CExOESi/1czWwrQ8NEhhbZNRHXBX35ZosmoML2z/AXJBR98BjMFGznrV /J2JIlv8j1sXA== Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:56:33 +0000 To: FreeBSD Current From: Jordan Gordeev Subject: Re: Example context needing use of hw.usb.usbhid.enable=0 : serial console keyboard input under Parallels (aarch64) [reproduces again] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4FC3373E-025E-4BD5-8869-10956B700708@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 125078299:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: e0b8b3885f6fa5a6b5de86c88ac3a800a8bed36e List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[proton.me,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[109.224.244.17:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[proton.me:s=protonmail]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:109.224.244.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:109.224.244.0/24, country:CH]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[109.224.244.17:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[proton.me:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c5y2H66Lcz45vR On Monday, 18 August 2025 at 01:01, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 17, 2025, at 13:18, Mark Millard marklmi@yahoo.com wrote: >=20 > For FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-bootonly.iso : >=20 > I end up with the Welcome screen in the FreeBSD Installer. > It ignores my attempt to tab over to Shell or Live System. > Same for typing S or L. Cursor captures and frees still > work. >=20 >=20 > For FreeBSD-15.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-20250807-02f394281fd6-279407-booto= nly.iso : >=20 > Same. >=20 >=20 > I tried Video instead of Serial: same. >=20 Please, create a PR for this problem. I've started debugging it and have some partial results. Key presses are ha= ndled perfectly but due to bad keyboard state, any input is mistakenly disc= arded. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ee50dd7338dea7cddd8a70ae6a9b3cee; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: Example context needing use of hw.usb.usbhid.enable=0 : serial console keyboard input under Parallels (aarch64) [reproduces again] Message-Id: <2F760B52-5FE5-4C4C-BBAA-DA982BE09299@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 14:44:45 -0700 To: Jordan Gordeev , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <2F760B52-5FE5-4C4C-BBAA-DA982BE09299.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.926]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.31:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.31:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c635m2GNwz3HLs Jordan Gordeev wrote on Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:56:33 UTC : > On Monday, 18 August 2025 at 01:01, Mark Millard = wrote: >=20 > > On Aug 17, 2025, at 13:18, Mark Millard marklmi@yahoo.com wrote: > >=20 > > For FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-arm64-aarch64-bootonly.iso : > >=20 > > I end up with the Welcome screen in the FreeBSD Installer. > > It ignores my attempt to tab over to Shell or Live System. > > Same for typing S or L. Cursor captures and frees still > > work. > >=20 > >=20 > > For = FreeBSD-15.0-CURRENT-arm64-aarch64-20250807-02f394281fd6-279407-bootonly.i= so : > >=20 > > Same. > >=20 > >=20 > > I tried Video instead of Serial: same. > >=20 >=20 > Please, create a PR for this problem. >=20 > I've started debugging it and have some partial results. Key presses = are handled perfectly but due to bad keyboard state, any input is = mistakenly discarded. Done. See: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D288968 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Tue Aug 19 22:47:57 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c64VZ3X8qz62gs3 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Received: from q.saper.info (q.saper.info [IPv6:2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "q.saper.info", Issuer "E6" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c64VX6sdnz3NMG for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=saper.info header.s=Sep2014 header.b=PTZHLWCT; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of saper@saper.info has no SPF policy when checking 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61) smtp.mailfrom=saper@saper.info Received: from q.saper.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57JMlvEM086466 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:47:57 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=saper.info; s=Sep2014; t=1755643677; bh=1nivMx6DifzadmgmKy7mzy9vXti9deNV5KedAE2K0s0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=PTZHLWCTxCUD/2g9LisCH8oJ0nfRUuuceXnZi2EpCGi+6SZhmNlNrTcA1XO+0ZdCb 7QaGFkzomaG3WiEwpQCL7EA64YmUrmZ8O82CCMo+3d2kchKE9ZYsSdxnaA8PlKKh+i mxbEJXSmPFLvCze+cfNhzVb9Yefpzyg27nDx6nko= Received: from localhost (saper@localhost) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 57JMlvLk086463 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:47:57 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) X-Authentication-Warning: q.saper.info: saper owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:47:57 +0000 From: Marcin Cieslak To: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: wifibox/passthrough broken after May 2025? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <127o96or-0oqo-s562-r425-4p2144qr0893@fncre.vasb> References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="2201072851-148606168-1755643677=:995" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[saper.info:s=Sep2014]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[saper.info]; RECEIVED_HELO_LOCALHOST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[saper.info:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47066, ipnet:2605:2700::/32, country:US]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c64VX6sdnz3NMG --2201072851-148606168-1755643677=:995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Looks like the root cause of the problem was this: 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Launching guest wifibox from /usr/local/share/wifibox with grub-bhyve 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Application config is found at /usr/local/etc/wifibox/wpa_supplicant 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Application config will be mounted writeable 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG Devices: virtio-blk,/usr/local/share/wifibox/disk.img virtio-9p,config=/usr/local/etc/wifibox/appliance,ro virtio-9p,var=/var/run/wifibox/appl iance virtio-9p,app_config=/usr/local/etc/wifibox/wpa_supplicant 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG Arguments: -S -M 128M -r host -c /dev/nmdm-wifibox.1A -d /usr/local/share/wifibox wifibox 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG [grub-bhyve] Could not setup memory for VM 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG [grub-bhyve] Error in initializing VM Did some ABI important here changed? Rebuilding grub2-bhyve-0.40_11 from source fixed the problem. If yes, maybe this should be added to the docs... My PPT confusion has been caused by this message: 2025-08-20T00:30:09+0200 DEBUG [devctl] devctl: Failed to clear pci2:0:0 driver: Device not configured 2025-08-20T00:30:09+0200 WARN PPT device pci2:0:0 could not be destroyed Indeed, running devctl clear driver -f pci2:0:0 results in the ppt0 detaching but the error message returned is "Device not configured". 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2adca5ab565a5a3063ac0994037e9492; Tue, 19 Aug 2025 23:42:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: WARNING: looks like main-amd64-default (latest) will only have 519 port-packages distributed for 11+ days [main-arm64 in process now too, only 514 for 16+ days] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 16:42:03 -0700 References: <645340D6-187C-42E1-B82D-1BFF26D1E3A6@yahoo.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List , FreeBSD Current In-Reply-To: <645340D6-187C-42E1-B82D-1BFF26D1E3A6@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <56744D4B-6DEB-470A-96FF-AADD09A075D5@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c65jB1VzWz3WHG On Aug 18, 2025, at 21:57, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 17, 2025, at 17:51, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Aug 17, 2025, at 08:49, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy18/build.html?mastername=3Dmain-amd64-= default&build=3Dp98b748365fe6_sc6778f3a442 >>>=20 >>> shows that a special build of main-amd64-default (latest) has >>> happened as a part of dealing with changes associated with >>> 15.0-PRERLEASE status. >>>=20 >>> It is a from-scratch build that has established: >>>=20 >>> Host OSVERSION: 1500061 >>> Jail OSVERSION: 1500061 >>>=20 >>> which is after some library .so.* version number changes. >>> Prior to this build, the distributed pkg builds were too old >>> for main-amd64's 15.0-PRERELEASE . >>>=20 >>> Only 40 packages were explicitly listed/requested and those >>> lead to only 519 packages being built. beefy18 is the system >>> used for main-amd64 port-package builds. >>>=20 >>> beefy 18 has been taking 260 Hrs to 270 Hrs to build a full >>> set of packages. Getting copies to the distribution servers >>> around the world is a separate step I do not have time >>> frames for. >>>=20 >>> So: around 11+ days --once beefy18's full/normal builds are >>> started-- before a full set of port-packages will be >>> available. >>=20 >> FYI: >>=20 >> ampere2 (builds main-arm64 and main-armv7) activity was stopped >> and it is now doing a similar main-arm64 build: 40 requested, >> queued 514, 2 ignored. Still in process, with no failures so >> far. >>=20 >> Full main-arm64 builds take more like 400 Hrs, so 16 days >> or more. Presuming that main-arm64 is full-built before >> main-armv7 . . . >>=20 >> Looks like main-arm64 will have only 514 port packages >> distributed for 16+ days once the special, small build has >> finished and is distributed. >>=20 >> The build may have to be redone because it is based on >> f9ff1e48cc1, which has been reverted for debug-kernel >> panics from an incorrect assert when using nfs mounted >> file systems. >=20 > main-armv7 is being built with 36995 queued and > 1747 ignored, and 776 initially skipped. So > 34472 port package builds to be attempted before > main-arm64 starts. >=20 > main-armv7: 16+ days > main-arm64: 16+ days >=20 > So: 31+ days for a fully-populated main-arm64 to > become available. >=20 Someone stopped the main-armv7 build and started the main-arm64 build. So: more like 16+ days for the main-arm64 build to finish now. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0124e5f26bb49e55d787184373d4837d; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 00:17:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: RE: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" Message-Id: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:17:24 -0700 To: Colin Percival , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.949]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.83:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c66V12Y7Cz3Zlc Colin Percival wrote on Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:49:23 UTC : > Hi everyone, > > With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, > the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It > defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits > maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but the file names as well as the content in the file? : /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? > To reduce long-term confusion, I'm intending to rename the "FreeBSD" > repository to "FreeBSD-ports", and similarly rename "FreeBSD-kmods" to > "FreeBSD-ports-kmods". The repositories will still work, and will still > access the same URLs, but the change will be visible; probably the most > common scenario where this would cause problems for users is if they have > "FreeBSD: {enabled: no }" in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, since > that would need to be adjusted to chase this change. /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? > For obvious reasons, this change would not be MFCed. > > You've got a week to convince me that this is a bad idea, otherwise I'll > make the change on the 27th; I want to get this out of the way before we > get too close to branching stable/15. The adjusted file naming would tend to suggest a separate file for pkgbase content. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/19/25 17:17, Mark Millard wrote: > Colin Percival wrote: >> With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, >> the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It >> defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits >> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). > > Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but > the file names as well as the content in the file? : > > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? I wasn't planning on changing the file name, no. > The adjusted file naming would tend to suggest a separate file > for pkgbase content. > > Naming left as it is might suggest all in one file, pkgbase > included. Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I thought people might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf in order to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended way to disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in /usr/local/etc/pkg/ so I don't see any need to separate these. (But it's not a silly question -- there was some discussion in phabricator just recently about how we should distribute the base system pkg.conf file. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e0a4f3a1c3f06771267f79911ca2e06f; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 00:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:44:36 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c675P1mWYz3gjT On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:25, Colin Percival wrote: > On 8/19/25 17:17, Mark Millard wrote: >> Colin Percival wrote: >>> With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 = systems, >>> the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: = It >>> defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically = bits >>> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >> Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but >> the file names as well as the content in the file? : >> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? >=20 > I wasn't planning on changing the file name, no. >=20 >> The adjusted file naming would tend to suggest a separate file >> for pkgbase content. >> Naming left as it is might suggest all in one file, pkgbase >> included. >=20 > Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I thought = people > might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf = in order > to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended = way to > disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in /usr/local/etc/pkg/ = so I > don't see any need to separate these. Will a pkgbase repo be present and enabled by default? present but disabled? Not present at all in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ? (I'm not trying to specify spelling for such here. But your note might be better with this intended spelling also being explicit so how it all fits together is more clear.) If /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is intended not to be edited at all by default, that might have implications for some default content there or inside /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ someplace if pkgbase is not enabled by default. (My understanding is that pkgbase is off by default.) > (But it's not a silly question -- there was some discussion in = phabricator > just recently about how we should distribute the base system pkg.conf = file. > That's next on my list after the FreeBSD -> FreeBSD-ports renaming...) 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/19/25 17:44, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:25, Colin Percival wrote: >> Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I thought people >> might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf in order >> to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended way to >> disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in /usr/local/etc/pkg/ so I >> don't see any need to separate these. > > Will a pkgbase repo be present and enabled by default? > present but disabled? Not present at all in > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ? > > (I'm not trying to specify spelling for such here. But your > note might be better with this intended spelling also > being explicit so how it all fits together is more > clear.) > > If /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is intended not to be edited at all > by default, that might have implications for some default > content there or inside /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ someplace > if pkgbase is not enabled by default. > > (My understanding is that pkgbase is off by default.) pkgbase is off by default in 14 but will be on by default in 15. People will need it to update their systems for security updates, for example, since freebsd-update is going away (at least in its present form -- it might turn into a wrapper around pkg). 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[75.69.17.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-70ba92f924bsm79786166d6.46.2025.08.19.17.58.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6.1.21\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 20:58:23 -0400 Cc: Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c67PF2gRNz3lHB > On Aug 19, 2025, at 8:25 PM, Colin Percival = wrote: >=20 > On 8/19/25 17:17, Mark Millard wrote: >> Colin Percival wrote: >>> With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 = systems, >>> the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: = It >>> defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically = bits >>> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >> Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but >> the file names as well as the content in the file? : >> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? >=20 > I wasn't planning on changing the file name, no. Why is then this file named =E2=80=9CFreeBSD.conf=E2=80=9D ? It is unclear to me what the =E2=80=9CFreeBSD=E2=80=9D part of the = filename is supposed to reflect, if this is just a file for configuring = pkg. Perhaps this issue will be cleared after the FreeBSD -> FreeBSD-ports = renaming. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 8/19/25 17:58, Matteo Riondato wrote: >> On Aug 19, 2025, at 8:25 PM, Colin Percival wrote: >> On 8/19/25 17:17, Mark Millard wrote: >>> Colin Percival wrote: >>>> With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, >>>> the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It >>>> defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits >>>> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >>> Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but >>> the file names as well as the content in the file? : >>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? >> >> I wasn't planning on changing the file name, no. > > Why is then this file named “FreeBSD.conf†? 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I guess =3D) Maybe this was discussed in phabricator as you mentioned, but it would = seem more natural to me to provide individual files for each repository = provided by the project, with a descriptive name (e.g., FreeBSD-ports, = FreeBSD-ports-kmod, =E2=80=A6, and store them in = /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ This solution would also allow to remove the (IMHO weird) suggestion of = creating *another* file FreeBSD.conf in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos to = disable some of these repositories (why is that suggestion needed? = Can=E2=80=99t etcupdate handle changes to /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ?)=20 Thanks, Matteo From nobody Wed Aug 20 01:34:17 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c68Bc0WnZz637RH for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 01:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic304-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.68.206]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c68Bb3w1Sz3vgG for ; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 471c3eb30e74ade818291757ca55a1b7; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 18:34:17 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08E5838F-122B-4CF6-8551-85095024A665@yahoo.com> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c68Bb3w1Sz3vgG On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:51, Colin Percival wrote: > On 8/19/25 17:44, Mark Millard wrote: >> On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:25, Colin Percival = wrote: >>> Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I = thought people >>> might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf = in order >>> to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended = way to >>> disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in /usr/local/etc/pkg/ = so I >>> don't see any need to separate these. >> Will a pkgbase repo be present and enabled by default? >> present but disabled? Not present at all in >> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ? >> (I'm not trying to specify spelling for such here. But your >> note might be better with this intended spelling also >> being explicit so how it all fits together is more >> clear.) >> If /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is intended not to be edited at all >> by default, that might have implications for some default >> content there or inside /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ someplace >> if pkgbase is not enabled by default. >> (My understanding is that pkgbase is off by default.) >=20 > pkgbase is off by default in 14 but will be on by default in 15. With 15 or main [then: 16] as the context . . . Will buildworld buildkernel installkernel installworld (not referencing various steps) for folks using source code based updates need to undo an addition of pkgbase from the installworld activity? Never? Just once? Each time? Or is "on by default" more selective somehow for such contexts? Note: In my context I'll have pkgbase in use for the booted world and available for use as the booted kernel, although I'll have personal-build alternate kernels too. My from-source installed world will be in, for example, a chroot directory tree(s) and in a poudriere jail world(s). I keep /usr/src/ for pkgbase to manage for itself and have a separate /usr/main-src/ (as an example). So I'll be dealing with both types of contexts no matter what. > People will > need it to update their systems for security updates, for example, = since > freebsd-update is going away (at least in its present form -- it might = turn > into a wrapper around pkg). >=20 > Users who want to update the base system from another source (no pun = intended) > will need to configure their systems appropriately. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Aug 20 05:00:14 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6Dm263NZz645xW for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 05:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6Dm15Fxvz3Fkj; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 05:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755666018; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TXaQcTC4HiE0eXiwstWjWw/NDHbYBpwmnHxR/p67+iI=; b=BU0zWelDyo6Pyxerv8ZGLBFo7OKXpVzOGxksQJllmxAEJpudVnC7BkTGhzov78J1yrniRk 4DY1tcPai6LEyM5FMDKnEkR12A2Yh57Wf7LgA4BGm0zptgUa+onfGTEVTABTV3YNYRNZut AW++gnAHKsp8ex0tLAq4rt+0CbT3kqeeVvDU8mvjdQz6WxecOwYV2LQB0vNZxhv4wUmz1g vEHY3TmISqOfZsl5PdPGqIQ3vgwCk5+3VVQaCaJEUwWK0vcndJL+PFkGdo13QU/NlIoiyA mRjFGKPx1pzAtnFMfDfI+bjHwGrHaGIkDEZQFrDzu9cYrayQWULgkcu+eKpYtg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755666017; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TXaQcTC4HiE0eXiwstWjWw/NDHbYBpwmnHxR/p67+iI=; b=CKAeFNla5ggAudvY12zkkBKVDHAKj3G0afjojdmolEUIkhehXD+V9wRh6yKMPgU91vfX22 ZcDkK8VHbZj7TFHTvP40z1lJFr/qgdDjdVhFLI7IyPJ1YcgXJZ3u0XDhXENpnc2zz4+dVg wnfgLjQ0AvKL8Y8STwj2EESRmjgQN1zTA+Lmpv34p4bLhZQmERvkSXlpZnrxOwBTm3OWii 57snlX/4qKv7inY+RDb6qRnLSYkCOB3of30tXqgDgVS3DukFXHPCFAZvWW+nOxKr49m9J7 8lIUip5XUuOc/DAMM4tiyYzn7xsJeIUou71mTd4CXdPzmsETOMhNGutEwp0YTg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1755666017; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mDg/ppEyTsQ8ObHwe8rkBjAAOMMpKV2gt/CmHJJJHHuJL9t8Rc5pTkJIZkMUre/8OsQuc5 zOG0leNA8AIU8MZ6O8/YvPYq91lUdo9tk93imO2E9qsKQUT0YEUhxOXQd1xJ+fKROfPNmX N7S7jyV8OJ5XJ51/OHZqAQk1ULXiF8wybaM0NB8yU+VkEdta/J94rWkXDtM0tQ7gU3UzR4 r9EJ0xEeZx5V+9J3KnGO0aJix5BKyyK46ZXYxc/vB0q8bEqQDrdHDEa9GSaj0xuRE2xKBN EhclyN7ytWtE8q42XnpmkSSkoFlRGDJ8zZoiRf/iamGDMVG7aKr9D7DqgOOCRg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c6Dm11XTyzJkN; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 05:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 22:00:14 -0700 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Colin Percival , pkgmgr@freebsd.org Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Yes, things are a bit bumpy right now Message-ID: References: <01000198c316d43c-0b8d91f4-e57e-41b6-a694-a1ecd9d20143-000000@email.amazonses.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01000198c316d43c-0b8d91f4-e57e-41b6-a694-a1ecd9d20143-000000@email.amazonses.com> Hi, On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 04:08:30PM +0000, Colin Percival wrote: C> In any event, as Mark Millard noted (thank you Mark, I should have written C> about this earlier) the pkg repositories currently have a very small subset C> of packages, and will be this way until full package builds complete. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Feedback-ID: ::1.us-east-1.Lv9FVjaNvvR5llaqfLoOVbo2VxOELl7cjN0AOyXnPlk=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2025.08.20-54.240.8.237 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:54.240.8.0/21, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6FKX1xwTz3JNn On 8/19/25 22:00, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 04:08:30PM +0000, Colin Percival wrote: > C> In any event, as Mark Millard noted (thank you Mark, I should have written > C> about this earlier) the pkg repositories currently have a very small subset > C> of packages, and will be this way until full package builds complete. This > C> was necessary because library updates (mainly libcrypto but not just that) > C> meant that the existing packages couldn't run on the latest HEAD, and this > C> was preventing me from even doing weekly snapshot builds. > C> > C> So I asked pkgmgr to do a special "only the packages re@ needs" build since > C> that could complete quickly -- and as of a few hours ago we have a full > C> snapshot build for 15.0, including install media, VM images, cloudware, and > C> OCI containers. > > What is the ETA for complete set of packages for CURRENT available? We got > stabweek next Monday. On amd64 probably some time around the 29th. 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Having "ports" in the repository name does not make sense to me at all. Ports are recipes to produce packages, but there are more ways (I know at least one) to create a pkg package. > It defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits > maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). Can't agree with this either. FreeBSD Ports are maintained *inside* the project as well as package building and hosting infrastructure. It feels perfectly fine to have a single configuration file named after the *vendor*, which provides multiple repos maintained by that vendor. From nobody Wed Aug 20 07:48:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6JVK54Vbz64Xy0; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:48:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd.lists@h8spam.org) Received: from mx1.wiredblade.com (mx1.wiredblade.com [162.216.242.35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6JVH6qcPz3ZQN; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd.lists@h8spam.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsd.lists@h8spam.org has no SPF policy when checking 162.216.242.35) smtp.mailfrom=bsd.lists@h8spam.org Received: from webmail.dynu.com (webmail.dynu.com [162.216.242.204]) by mx1.wiredblade.com with ESMTPA ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:48:23 +0000 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:48:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: RainLoop/1.17.0 From: "Chris" Message-ID: Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: "Miroslav Lachman" <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, "David Chisnall" Cc: "vermaden" , "Shawn Webb" , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs In-Reply-To: <9a03be4d-4621-445c-980d-e63c7f163e78@quip.cz> References: <9a03be4d-4621-445c-980d-e63c7f163e78@quip.cz> X-Originating-IP: 24.113.41.88 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.88 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.982]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.232]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:398019, ipnet:162.216.242.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[h8spam.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[interia.pl,hardenedbsd.org,freebsd.org,nomadlogic.org,pmf.uns.ac.rs]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[11]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org,freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6JVH6qcPz3ZQN August 4, 2025 3:34 PM, "Miroslav Lachman" <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > On 01/08/2025 16:22, David Chisnall wrote: >=20 >>=20On 31 Jul 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: >>> I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) >>> 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It >>> is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to >>> update both is really unexpected and unwanted. >>=20 >>=20I disagree here. If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you = can >> specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly. But if yo= u >> do then you risk things like: >>=20 >>=20- I=E2=80=99ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods thing= s, so now >> my GUI doesn=E2=80=99t start. >> - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer = point >> release and I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist. >> - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports = don=E2=80=99t work. >>=20 >>=20All of these are things that users have complained about publicly in= the >> last year or so. >>=20 >>=20I have avoided them by always doing `freebsd-update install && pkg >> upgrade` and keeping that in my shell history[1] so I don=E2=80=99t ac= cidentally >> forget to upgrade both together. >>=20 >>=20Given a choice between a thing that works for users, or something th= at >> *can* work for users but comes with a bunch of footguns that they need >> to avoid, I=E2=80=99d pick the former. >>=20 >>=20David >>=20 >>=20[1] I=E2=80=99ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no lon= ger has >> working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, if people >> want to complain about something. >=20 >=20I see your point, but our workflow is much different. One command to > upgrade base and packages at the same time is like "one to break it all= " > to me. > I have seen broken "pkg upgrade" so many times... but it never breaks > base and running ssh so I am still able to fix it somehow.. > Running FreeBSD for more than 25 years on tens of machines (headless > servers) and I never need to do upgrade of base and packages at the sam= e > time. I am not saying nobody need it. Yes it can be useful on upgrading > desktops or other installations with kmods, but I think it still can be > done in 2 separate steps to keep the base untouched if user wants it. > Mainly when there is another step needed - etcupdate. Having base and > packages upgraded and only then fixing conflicts with etcupdate seems > very bad idea to me. The biggest problem I see in all this, is that all the drivers were moved= to ports/. That's a HUGE failure. When they existed in $base you had the opt= ion to build only the drivers you needed and you built them with $BASE. So th= ere were never any symbol collisions/mismatches. Moving them to ports has onl= y made the whole procedure more cumbersome and error prone for everyone. Wh= ich makes this whole "how do we categorize/manage this whole pkg-base thing?"= a complete mess w/o a clear or ideal solution. That's my take/experience FWIW. >=20 >=20Kind regards > Miroslav Lachman From nobody Wed Aug 20 08:19:48 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6KBv4x0yz64b2C; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=mNwu=3A=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6KBv2bBnz3fGM; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=mNwu=3A=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A424AD78E6; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:20:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1755678014; bh=sck2I5SEhnidFCMjD1+opgi/XbeTublGFdQ8fDxry98=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=cosqdsxGysZXFhE6acPNP5KIG1V43YoWsWk2eCJgiv7cxoDXoAX3QCjn5AgYo+F4K 5ESphM5YMv6bERrGAail3l/E0nBAhm6hXctyglpNBiqugv7RDva2Ca4fhwt6TXE5PC M323411Yy3Pcg3UbbzDoaVHh1kdoFFYGbEQxFpfM= Received: from [192.168.145.49] (ip-89-177-27-225.bb.vodafone.cz [89.177.27.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE13BD78DE; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:19:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1755677990; bh=sck2I5SEhnidFCMjD1+opgi/XbeTublGFdQ8fDxry98=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=MrlPHzupx8utjVbEvTc7x2qRlz3nwtNrqvPwBCrqzPNk/i06Uj4s0KzGkutdVhfG5 KsJ9A5CpHpTdRVjHHdToC2MuhSFdbm+vS3aIbLKURpHbF9pDCvK4Anj/6eNgCpcjHy JmyHr2sTPasjg9b+/7gF1IeqXf1cXOy5s9HmDFxI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:19:48 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" To: Colin Percival , Matteo Riondato Cc: Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6KBv2bBnz3fGM On 20/08/2025 03:05, Colin Percival wrote: > On 8/19/25 17:58, Matteo Riondato wrote: >>> On Aug 19, 2025, at 8:25 PM, Colin Percival >>> wrote: >>> On 8/19/25 17:17, Mark Millard wrote: >>>> Colin Percival wrote: >>>>> With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, >>>>> the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It >>>>> defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits >>>>> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >>>> Not that I consider an appropriate answer obvious, but >>>> the file names as well as the content in the file? : >>>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-ports.conf ? >>> >>> I wasn't planning on changing the file name, no. >> >> Why is then this file named “FreeBSD.conf†? > > Because it's the configuration file which describes pkg repositories > provided > by the FreeBSD project? I would like to have a separate file for each repository, similar to the contents of /etc/newsyslog.conf.d/ or /etc/syslog.d/. If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using simple tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify repositories - good for scripted setups and automation. However, if there are multiple repositories in one file, this task becomes much more complicated. Kind regards Miroslav Lachman From nobody Wed Aug 20 09:31:39 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6LnN4g0Mz64gYN; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6LnM5GhBz3nkQ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-43-114.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.43.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 57K9Vee8042660; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:31:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1755682301; bh=oQ3v5k7ewPTDHjj99US63ViXmeQCP8cAhhUWkcENuq4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=C+ATiKnDgJXQihm/Z1Ky5/FYV6Hmav4eYSuqHxxT+1NJtbi2KTPSKcO2Ra2y6mB9K Jn7ymQVuLX1ncXB8W+orKcSMRTsIOn4/zT9CT0whSrMojXjgxetCVx+ThR8LkZ57WW sz18fItHibHxZmiOY8cR978u9D5Uuf+ml6+t+iAY= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:31:39 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Colin Percival Cc: Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" Message-Id: <20250820183139.07a25bf930db54bcd06b094b@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6LnM5GhBz3nkQ On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 17:51:22 -0700 Colin Percival wrote: > On 8/19/25 17:44, Mark Millard wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:25, Colin Percival wrote: > >> Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I thought people > >> might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf in order > >> to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended way to > >> disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in /usr/local/etc/pkg/ so I > >> don't see any need to separate these. > > > > Will a pkgbase repo be present and enabled by default? > > present but disabled? Not present at all in > > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ? > > > > (I'm not trying to specify spelling for such here. But your > > note might be better with this intended spelling also > > being explicit so how it all fits together is more > > clear.) > > > > If /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is intended not to be edited at all > > by default, that might have implications for some default > > content there or inside /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ someplace > > if pkgbase is not enabled by default. > > > > (My understanding is that pkgbase is off by default.) > > pkgbase is off by default in 14 but will be on by default in 15. People will > need it to update their systems for security updates, for example, since > freebsd-update is going away (at least in its present form -- it might turn > into a wrapper around pkg). +1 for keeping freebsd-update as a wrapper both for legacy and pkgbase. It would help users still need legacy (pre-pkgbase) version inside jail and/or bhyve that are installed from outside of jail / bhyve. Also, upgrading legacy version to pkgbase'ified version would be in consideration. Considering the use-cases with existing scripts in the wild, legacy options would be better kept as-is and introducing new option to use pkgbase. So would be bsdinstall. But once all non-pkgbase versions become EoL, the considerations would no longer mandatory. > Users who want to update the base system from another source (no pun intended) > will need to configure their systems appropriately. > > -- > Colin Percival > FreeBSD Release Engineering Lead & EC2 platform maintainer > Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Wed Aug 20 09:33:37 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6LqQ53xFz64gDH; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6LqQ4WFsz3qMp; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755682418; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aXoDnEQc9yFD4UDPcAeiDFhgB/BUWxHyqP3X681d5+M=; b=R4DZPy+dfqoF67KXExaCmzHpakpCDoFgK0qYLq8MoYpXt71F8dYHIRL8piW5fEAE8lAP92 3xMSS/O3tuG5lA7IJJf/lsJY0gD6IzOvurQkunBneRsvzJSxllT2pvDY8o8NEjRjLfP3yJ lgr/pKi3napd9/2GfKS+WB5FMjHAGaH1MWdtE795DUH/JDhdXKnbMYeyEGtvX5CJBPtcLL /M1E4fvasGLHJfWb43lAmz+Blbz+224SF54ofRorgrZpwguOxhy/ghSqY445cVt2GltSCW BRsabLkMmdf+YTW3Esj1UUVtrtkd7/n/5N9E4WZV4hyF6zhgWFbS4bAKgM6+dg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755682418; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aXoDnEQc9yFD4UDPcAeiDFhgB/BUWxHyqP3X681d5+M=; b=M4pbpAUhfFyZzLP7BpCH/EXcnsckcx46G5e0wduT3ZoDfLlwyswh7GUhLYd4I/SXAXv02I 3TNjfIEdSGAWywOSQ/IqdP4NoJKikC9+qMb/avcXc3otRgd2P7RclnBZDn7MSTtPQ+/AVG 9URP7XwKgp7Wd6HTTYXa1pm+9ZzrnfPt/EWS7iwQkBl4KuiQb2G1ee/1bmid0E6T6Ywl0C Y8uOWU2/vDn3bIZK3Agsmfl+IxSndT/myX8X1q++6ZKYapVB86Lf21XU0sYLUHfrzglFkz xvSVaX7A7rknIbJIWof+MF8gJfvOK8RFm46tZstgNGPzjPdZWfZl+gLFIgkAww== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1755682418; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ZxsUt5ZL6aYsInnQvnvfib4fCLb+9XkfPsybC24YvQ5y2DDffyJ5+N1QJer/gbYQN2J88Y K/f+siEmriwqs45xlPZJ7mdut3AIVO0hKRIkT0Z3/bXxd2IauXPHGs7YtRBGsptRQrNjPT kJF4tNxmZ7goQxghPbw49FzUbVdDSBDzHOHBpVWbxtJUBzZK0Z865GdDVfmB1wHDiouW2F 9odTZbSu++tgqoNoXrI1Swf0MSDNHJb4llt1D275CnQQe2F569wipAi87drL0mln2WWzlb eHrSN5j0Sp0noImGkHL5Zb7qnluAxc2WxHdYne8eSr2xtDHgw3hljaKYBOsl6g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c6LqQ37t1zPqH; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1DEB33C08A; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:33:37 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Colin Percival , Matteo Riondato , Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" In-Reply-To: (Miroslav Lachman's message of "Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:19:48 +0200") References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:33:37 +0200 Message-ID: <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> writes: > If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using > simple tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify > repositories - good for scripted setups and automation. The correct way to disable one of these repositories is to add repository-name: { enabled: false } in a file in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos. 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[75.69.17.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7e87e0204absm920422685a.2.2025.08.20.02.47.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6.1.21\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 05:47:32 -0400 Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Colin Percival , Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <051BA4A9-E45B-4CF5-95C5-B6F53948DB58@FreeBSD.org> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6M7p59Dsz3slQ > On Aug 20, 2025, at 5:33 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav = wrote: >=20 > Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> writes: >> If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using >> simple tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify >> repositories - good for scripted setups and automation. >=20 > The correct way to disable one of these repositories is to add >=20 > repository-name: { enabled: false } >=20 > in a file in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos. It=E2=80=99s unclear (to me) whether that=E2=80=99s the *correct* way, = or the *recommended* way (pkg(8) calls it =E2=80=9Ca common idiom=E2=80=9D= ), and in either case *why* is that the recommended/correct way: what = breaks if one modifies /etc/FreeBSD.conf ? Why does it break? It feels very unnatural to me to have one file in /etc specifying a = setting (enabled: true=E2=80=9D), and another file in /usr/local/etc = specifying the opposite. Also, it seems that whether having =E2=80=9Crepository-name: { enabled: = false}=E2=80=9D would actually disable respository-name would depend on = the order of directories in the configuration variable REPOS_DIR. This = feels quite brittle. 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Why does it break? The /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file comes from base (some pkgbase package or as a result of make installworld or something like that). This means that system upgrades must handle edits to this file somehow - either by overwriting your changes with vanilla version or by merging them, which can't be done 100% automatically. So encouraging users to not touch system configs but rather write add-ons to these configs make upgrades less painful. > Also, it seems that whether having =E2=80=9Crepository-name: { enabled: f= alse}=E2=80=9D would actually disable respository-name would depend on the= order of directories in the configuration variable REPOS_DIR. This feels q= uite brittle. 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[75.69.17.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7e87e1dd074sm910148685a.73.2025.08.20.03.19.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 03:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6.1.21\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 06:19:48 -0400 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C65983C-2D75-4250-AADD-12699A4CE252@FreeBSD.org> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <051BA4A9-E45B-4CF5-95C5-B6F53948DB58@FreeBSD.org> To: Gleb Popov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6Ms20Wrcz40Zm > On Aug 20, 2025, at 6:15 AM, Gleb Popov wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Matteo Riondato = wrote: >>=20 >> It=E2=80=99s unclear (to me) whether that=E2=80=99s the *correct* = way, or the *recommended* way (pkg(8) calls it =E2=80=9Ca common = idiom=E2=80=9D), and in either case *why* is that the = recommended/correct way: what breaks if one modifies /etc/FreeBSD.conf ? = Why does it break? >=20 > The /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file comes from base (some pkgbase package > or as a result of make installworld or something like that). This > means that system upgrades must handle edits to this file somehow - > either by overwriting your changes with vanilla version or by merging > them, which can't be done 100% automatically. This is true for so many files under /etc, and we have a solution with = etcupdate (indeed, not 100% automatically, but widely accepted). > So encouraging users to not touch system configs but rather write > add-ons to these configs make upgrades less painful. It seems to me that we don=E2=80=99t have this encouragement with any = other files in /etc. Why can=E2=80=99t etcupdate handle the changes/updates to FreeBSD.conf?=20= >> Also, it seems that whether having =E2=80=9Crepository-name: { = enabled: false}=E2=80=9D would actually disable respository-name would = depend on the order of directories in the configuration variable = REPOS_DIR. This feels quite brittle. >=20 > This is also a very common problem which has an established solution > by prefixing config files with numbers, like > 10-disable-freebsd-repos.conf No, REPOS_DIR is about _directories_, not files. Thanks, Matteo From nobody Wed Aug 20 10:25:43 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6Mzb3BHZz64kH4; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=mNwu=3A=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6MzZ6GbZz42d0; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 10:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=mNwu=3A=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C0FD78AA; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:25:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1755685544; bh=RPtr1b3NqiMqf+yLQ7E4/KQ4dxSMByUNakTr8B/Ghn8=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=NJLuBEAuuGpdqiE37T2mgTEIoWIkgxmRkikA+4lzWRDlkE6Z8E/1k0QqiTDjp3GPx aGoNprBGZKgxy2NHkkxBtdJGv3jq+k1SZMZ14xjDHagwX9N/YkX+qOLwNoK0sRdpGv hfkFmPUY/6+N2mIVYKIqDc7Ylmxg7DYmMVfedLZA= Received: from [192.168.145.49] (ip-89-177-27-225.bb.vodafone.cz [89.177.27.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E3F6D78A5; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:25:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quip.cz; s=private; t=1755685544; bh=RPtr1b3NqiMqf+yLQ7E4/KQ4dxSMByUNakTr8B/Ghn8=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=NJLuBEAuuGpdqiE37T2mgTEIoWIkgxmRkikA+4lzWRDlkE6Z8E/1k0QqiTDjp3GPx aGoNprBGZKgxy2NHkkxBtdJGv3jq+k1SZMZ14xjDHagwX9N/YkX+qOLwNoK0sRdpGv hfkFmPUY/6+N2mIVYKIqDc7Ylmxg7DYmMVfedLZA= Message-ID: <0800360b-e6bb-4592-b848-88bce53fca84@quip.cz> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:25:43 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Cc: Colin Percival , Matteo Riondato , Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Content-Language: en-US From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6MzZ6GbZz42d0 On 20/08/2025 11:33, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> writes: >> If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using >> simple tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify >> repositories - good for scripted setups and automation. > > The correct way to disable one of these repositories is to add > > repository-name: { enabled: false } > > in a file in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos. As if turning it on and off were the only possible configuration change. We often change the URL or priority. And that's very easy to do using 'sed' if there is only one repository in a single file. 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Why does it break? > > > > The /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file comes from base (some pkgbase package > > or as a result of make installworld or something like that). This > > means that system upgrades must handle edits to this file somehow - > > either by overwriting your changes with vanilla version or by merging > > them, which can't be done 100% automatically. > > This is true for so many files under /etc, and we have a solution with et= cupdate (indeed, not 100% automatically, but widely accepted). There is no etcupdate involved with binary package upgrades. But there is still a 3-way merge, yes, but like you said, it is not 100% automatic. So why not avoid the possibility of a merge conflict if we can do that? From nobody Wed Aug 20 11:17:06 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6P6z75Mxz64nL7 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from mx.catwhisker.org (mx.catwhisker.org [107.204.234.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6P6x73R2z49gy; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of david@catwhisker.org designates 107.204.234.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=david@catwhisker.org Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTP id 57KBH67i052508; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:17:06 GMT (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 57KBH68P052507; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 04:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 04:17:06 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: current@freebsd.org Cc: Martin Matuska Subject: Build failed in cddl/usr.bin/ztest/ztest.full at main-n279739-53a2e2635ab2 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: David Wolfskill , current@freebsd.org, Martin Matuska List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a+Kixm4tPJa0LiNL" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.21 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.940]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.867]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:107.204.234.170]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:107.192.0.0/12, country:US]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[catwhisker.org]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[david]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6P6x73R2z49gy --a+Kixm4tPJa0LiNL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday's (successful) build was at main-n279711-aef16fc30bb2: freebeast(15.0-P)[4] uname -aUK FreeBSD freebeast.catwhisker.org 15.0-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #3= 09 main-n279711-aef16fc30bb2: Tue Aug 19 11:05:12 UTC 2025 root@freebea= st.catwhisker.org:/common/S4/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 1500= 063 1500063 After updating sources to main-n279739-53a2e2635ab2, the (META_MODE) build fails; from the meta file (a copy of which is now at https://www.catwhisker.org/~david/FreeBSD/head/n279739/): =2E.. TARGET ztest.full OODATE ztest.pieo -- command output -- ld: error: undefined reference: gcm_ghash_vpclmulqdq_avx2 >>> referenced by /common/S4/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/lib/libicp.so = (disallowed by --no-allow-shlib-undefined) ld: error: undefined reference: gcm_init_vpclmulqdq_avx2 >>> referenced by /common/S4/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/lib/libicp.so = (disallowed by --no-allow-shlib-undefined) ld: error: undefined reference: aes_gcm_enc_update_vaes_avx2 >>> referenced by /common/S4/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/tmp/usr/lib/libicp.so = (disallowed by --no-allow-shlib-undefined) =2E... Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Of course firing the statistician will force the statistics to conform! 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[75.69.17.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7e87e076811sm928533985a.36.2025.08.20.05.26.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 05:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6.1.21\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:26:29 -0400 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <051BA4A9-E45B-4CF5-95C5-B6F53948DB58@FreeBSD.org> <5C65983C-2D75-4250-AADD-12699A4CE252@FreeBSD.org> To: Gleb Popov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6QgB5PqLz3JM5 > On Aug 20, 2025, at 7:03 AM, Gleb Popov wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 1:20=E2=80=AFPM Matteo Riondato = wrote: >>=20 >>> On Aug 20, 2025, at 6:15 AM, Gleb Popov wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Matteo Riondato = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> It=E2=80=99s unclear (to me) whether that=E2=80=99s the *correct* = way, or the *recommended* way (pkg(8) calls it =E2=80=9Ca common = idiom=E2=80=9D), and in either case *why* is that the = recommended/correct way: what breaks if one modifies /etc/FreeBSD.conf ? = Why does it break? >>>=20 >>> The /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf file comes from base (some pkgbase package >>> or as a result of make installworld or something like that). This >>> means that system upgrades must handle edits to this file somehow - >>> either by overwriting your changes with vanilla version or by = merging >>> them, which can't be done 100% automatically. >>=20 >> This is true for so many files under /etc, and we have a solution = with etcupdate (indeed, not 100% automatically, but widely accepted). >=20 > There is no etcupdate involved with binary package upgrades. But there > is still a 3-way merge, yes, but like you said, it is not 100% > automatic. So why not avoid the possibility of a merge conflict if we > can do that? I see that point, and in general it=E2=80=99s a good goal. I would be way more comfortable with the idea that the contents of = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf should not be changed if the file lived in = /etc/defaults (e.g., /etc/defaults/FreeBSD-pkg.conf or = FreeBSD-repos.conf), or had some =E2=80=9Cdefault=E2=80=9D in its = name/path (e.g., /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-repos-defaults.conf (but I would = prefer /etc/defaults/FreeBSD-repos.conf)). Thanks, Matteo From nobody Wed Aug 20 12:30:58 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6QmK1rN2z64sKH; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6QmJ5Rp1z3Lvg; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 12:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 14:30:58 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" To: Matteo Riondato , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Colin Percival , Mark Millard , FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <051BA4A9-E45B-4CF5-95C5-B6F53948DB58@FreeBSD.org> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <590B86F2-6F9F-46BF-9569-03F72EA93B5D@FreeBSD.org> <91cccdac-406c-46dc-bdbe-c1c016cdee99@freebsd.org> <864iu2jq1a.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <051BA4A9-E45B-4CF5-95C5-B6F53948DB58@FreeBSD.org> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.16 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1755693064; bh=beVQYGQfh3dq98rkOZ+/YNprE3a4tsigYPC6QcK82N0=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YtQKe+8ZvOzWerDFGkLs8D+w8/DGl2wAAR6vS1z3SDovQpuT8Jdftr3tQ3F2uNkFR XuZhhKRSg1GLT+a1PEgVeEex2ouUxtyBfYF3L4vAB2dMdsyngOsaEQsUm6wLcNjxGX B1wdiKVNAeH7JmcF69ShnzvZ5eEsueGqVmk0OKXY= X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6QmJ5Rp1z3Lvg Temat: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBS= D-ports" Data: 2025-08-20 11:48 Nadawca: "Matteo Riondato" <matteo@FreeBSD.org> Adresat: "Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav" <des@FreeBSD.org>;=20 DW: "Miroslav Lachman" <000.fbsd@quip.cz>; "Colin Percival" <cperciva= @freebsd.org>; "Mark Millard" <marklmi@yahoo.com>; "FreeBSD Current" <= ;freebsd-current@freebsd.org>; "FreeBSD Mailing List" <freebsd-ports@fre= ebsd.org>;=20 >=20 > >=20 >> On Aug 20, 2025, at 5:33 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav=20 wrote: >>=20 >> Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> writes: >>> If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using >>> simple tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify >>> repositories - good for scripted setups and automation. >>=20 >> The correct way to disable one of these repositories is to add >>=20 >> repository-name: { enabled: false } >>=20 >> in a file in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos. >=20 > It=E2=80=99s unclear (to me) whether that=E2=80=99s the *correct* way, or= the *recommended* way (pkg(8) calls it =E2=80=9Ca common idiom=E2=80=9D), and i= n either case *why* is that the recommended/correct way: what breaks if one modifies /etc/FreeBSD.conf ? Why does it break? >=20 > It feels very unnatural to me to have one file in /etc specifying a setting (enabled: true=E2=80=9D), and another file in /usr/local/etc specif= ying the opposite. >=20 > Also, it seems that whether having =E2=80=9Crepository-name: { enabled: false}=E2=80=9D would actually disable respository-name would depend on th= e order of directories in the configuration variable REPOS_DIR. This feels quite brittle. >=20 > Thanks, > Matteo I would even ask broader question ... as pkg(8) is for third party packages= and before PKGBASE had nothing to do with FreeBSD Base System - why someon= e thought about putting that config into /etc/pkg in the first place? :) As pkg(8) kept all the software - well most of it as there is also /boot/mo= dules - but still - inside /usr/local prefix - why it was not always the de= fault good idea to keep it under /usr/local/etc/pkg since day one? The pkg(8) tool needs to be bootstrapped anyway ... and config is very shor= t and simple that even pkg(8) command can generate it on the fly during boo= tstrap.. ... and yes - having separate files - one per repository is a +1 form my si= de. 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Ports are recipes to produce packages, but there are more ways (I > know at least one) to create a pkg package. But the packages in that repo are generated by FreeBSD ports? >> It defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits >> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). > > Can't agree with this either. FreeBSD Ports are maintained *inside* > the project as well as package building and hosting infrastructure. It > feels perfectly fine to have a single configuration file named after > the *vendor*, which provides multiple repos maintained by that vendor. 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Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:32:04 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Eric Hans Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:31:52 +0200 X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXxuOXe_NA8eZ1kmhNkHSF_NOYATZwKzsmLXAjKDY1y38gMw_IS7EB2gkfo Message-ID: Subject: RE: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" To: Colin Percival Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.982]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::112d:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6TRp4f6bz3ds3 > From: "Colin Percival" > To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" > Cc: "FreeBSD Release Engineering Team" > Sent: Wednesday, 20 August, 2025 00:49:23 > Subject: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" > > Hi everyone, > > With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, > the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It > defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits > maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). > > To reduce long-term confusion, I'm intending to rename the "FreeBSD" > repository to "FreeBSD-ports", and similarly rename "FreeBSD-kmods" to > "FreeBSD-ports-kmods". The repositories will still work, and will still > access the same URLs, but the change will be visible; probably the most > common scenario where this would cause problems for users is if they have > "FreeBSD: {enabled: no }" in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, since > that would need to be adjusted to chase this change. > > For obvious reasons, this change would not be MFCed. >++ > You've got a week to convince me that this is a bad idea, otherwise I'll > make the change on the 27th; I want to get this out of the way before we > get too close to branching stable/15. I don't prefer: "FreeBSD" -> "FreeBSD-ports" "FreeBSD-kmods" -> "FreeBSD-ports-kmods" A long time ago in FreeBSD, in many versions there was only source. With a ports tree (source), remote derived package repositories (binaries) have been supplied in two main varieties: 'latest' and 'quarterly'. However, out of necessity and in order to being able to supply the newest driver developments to users, the number of remote repositories has been extended. FreeBSD-kmods has been added with separate instances for supported stable and release versions, and also for main/head. Package repositories are accessed and set up differently compared to the ports tree structure; they form a separate collection from which _packages_ can be selected. Ports can be viewed as agnostic where it concerns - CPU architecture - source branch: releng vs stable vs main/current - a specific supported FreeBSD version, e.g. 14.{2,3}-RELEASE Only when building them resulting binaries will have these specific properties. Packages are derived from ports, but I think by many users they are foremost perceived as a separate collection and mechanism to get to a desired installed FreeBSD OS beyond a base install. Current trends, such as (in slogan format): - prefer packages over ports - warning: do not mix ports and packages - IIRC, portmaster in its original role is no longer supported and has been moved out of base - poudriere: not intended for the average FreeBSD user only seem to emphasize this evolutionary path. Attempts to increase its user base would likely be hindered if ports were declared as preferred. If a name change is what is needed, I'd prefer: "FreeBSD" -> "FreeBSD-pkgs" "FreeBSD-kmods" -> "FreeBSD-pkgs-kmods" Kind regards, Eric From nobody Wed Aug 20 14:31:55 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6TS86hZSz64WT8; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 14:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-f181.google.com (mail-yb1-f181.google.com [209.85.219.181]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6TS83k6Sz3fkQ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 14:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 6yearold@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-yb1-f181.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e94e6c6150eso2003218276.3; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1755700344; x=1756305144; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5G7umEYKzpeRtAHLKrmJnrLyxed2KoEWu715Ga6oDes=; b=jK2qZF7AM/BLS+w3fTIdaw/TXsZizFXFBwSmb+DBvNPSKi4TJvBJYOFdctNpvkROMa h0JmCZGdpEDQv0MR7TXzolTbd6e39m35/lrCdvwCWnU3Y2zq0BejgmhxKg5aVZx98+PS 0nrHhzqvem/WqRP/5svSH8Nd9fzbU7FAxDz/87yKO6xNr/wJNQN/uUvePP6k6FdQKsyf eFGe0Tf0gKlTfoi0RRt0BikZ6ZFCOqknL/oJpWqP5AdGQp6UVltIFFlJLT65SyL2J/Oq ICBbH9GTyiNJhjUqYRA6RzyvQJ+rp4IO6hsk0dCiTQqGg2jYYJmJ7ImvFqTEhsB/bxVP kx3Q== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCW3i5wt/5fjQ5Ji5fIvGW4yhQZTGX9Ss8yrn2enkCpu83Xd6HJWMNAPmzhX5QZpuMaSAFLUYOlGgF3K79xb@freebsd.org, AJvYcCWY34/B1MXq7EMAu19glThIvUedxXG75xteBN709HDtYgGOZ/hjUIC66y5rSyG7fRdz7+c=@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzmcb/snjR2DWGwwzYAVKdsZ3wkF8mKQIpVJYpVG+bKcT4UMnxY R68ZiX52dExmzfBsBd5YvJIoLFMP7JymIA3mjaWWb4Gg1/54X8UWZVmup40vtc6M X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnculA3OQrzGispGqooPI/53rIiPcAH44NZjlAfQtq1f2qrCGOs3w6l/Sc62/E8U L6d5adlCoIYBxZy7Po9MN4444oT6BBHpf9BjzUxE16I6qKt3kzw0GhTIW65BvI0yF319PyAfuAc Uu4Vm/W2ty+g0T1D/RuNPyE7fqoOMBwKnD+r52w9uk37o/9sr4Ct+AMHy8yP04MWAoJUHy5peko UG+CraAl8G/XwEm76Yw/WD0iZb+pwgbg4Xy0LUpk4KvRd2+ZZixLtn9hnXLbcWQbICUbsiZwNjS DaqSSJE3Sjd2nGz5tsbxAMI3iLWFuhAAC/v+oLwKQ6gTVcfqVIH8G4Wp/+8PvKG8BZZZJBlvzfo gSK1utS3nrmyJDVmiGfO9Hfaf84/ycfm614uxVXK6RBIvZ/wB6bRQfRT5Wb9OLw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IERoMgPXSv8vKOrDQ3y5O2Pha0Kq8HW7c3yyJcl3amt17k/k2wCZs2BXbq9aQwKJ6QTmqxE0A== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:33ca:b0:e93:480b:5356 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e94f66d534emr3442364276.47.1755700343556; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 07:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com (mail-yb1-f175.google.com. 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Ports are recipes to produce packages, but there are more ways (I > > know at least one) to create a pkg package. > > But the packages in that repo are generated by FreeBSD ports? Yes, they are. Ok, if we're going full bikeshedding mode then I think that = repos should be named after what they represent rather than from what they are bu= ilt. That is, - FreeBSD packages - FreeBSD base packages - FreeBSD kernel modules All right, maybe "FreeBSD packages" looks like a superset of the latter two, so we can call it "FreeBSD main packages", which aligns nicely with "FreeBSD quarterly packages". > > >> It defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bi= ts > >> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). > > > > Can't agree with this either. FreeBSD Ports are maintained *inside* > > the project as well as package building and hosting infrastructure. It > > feels perfectly fine to have a single configuration file named after > > the *vendor*, which provides multiple repos maintained by that vendor. > > What if people only wish to use pkg.freebsd.org for base but not ports > or vice versa? User can disable whatever repository he wants, it has nothing to do in what config file this repo is declared. From nobody Wed Aug 20 15:06:02 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6VB85dhVz64YRt for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 15:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (www.zefox.net [50.1.20.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pelorus.zefox.org", Issuer "pelorus.zefox.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6VB72Rrrz3qQw for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 15:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fbsd@www.zefox.net has no SPF policy when checking 50.1.20.27) smtp.mailfrom=fbsd@www.zefox.net Received: from www.zefox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57KF62X4056562 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: (from fbsd@localhost) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 57KF62rA056561; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:06:02 -0700 From: bob prohaska To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: bob prohaska Subject: uname -v does not report an n-number Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.07 / 15.00]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.965]; WWW_DOT_DOMAIN(0.50)[]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7065, ipnet:50.1.16.0/20, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zefox.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6VB72Rrrz3qQw I've an old Pi2 v1.1 which has been tracking -current for some time. uname -v reports bob@www:/usr/src % uname -v FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #100 main-325e0b4c1a68: Mon Aug 18 15:23:41 PDT 2025 bob@www.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC bob@www:/usr/src % A newer install on a second Pi2 v1.1 reports: # uname -v FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #58 main-n279562-78537728efc5: Fri Aug 15 23:57:36 PDT 2025 bob@pelorus.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC Can the older machine be persuaded to display the sequence number? Obviously I could reinstall, but I'm curious to see how long the original installation can last. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c2185767b0df5aad640aac347171361a; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <08E5838F-122B-4CF6-8551-85095024A665@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:01:11 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4D89699D-D035-4C92-AA13-1DBEDA798358@yahoo.com> References: <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192.ref@yahoo.com> <05CD2AAD-31EA-471B-8028-A3902D7A4192@yahoo.com> <5bece4af-0bec-457e-847f-7ca1cb031f86@freebsd.org> <08E5838F-122B-4CF6-8551-85095024A665@yahoo.com> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.147:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.147:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6WR35QtTz3wwR [I was not thinking so well whenI asked some of the questions. Sleep helped.] On Aug 19, 2025, at 18:34, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:51, Colin Percival = wrote: >=20 >> On 8/19/25 17:44, Mark Millard wrote: >>> On Aug 19, 2025, at 17:25, Colin Percival = wrote: >>>> Right, I don't see any reason for having separate files. If I = thought people >>>> might want to delete one of them (e.g. rm = /etc/pkg/FreeBSD-base.conf in order >>>> to disable pkgbase) then I would separate them; but the recommended = way to >>>> disable a repository is with an {enabled: no} in = /usr/local/etc/pkg/ so I >>>> don't see any need to separate these. >>> Will a pkgbase repo be present and enabled by default? >>> present but disabled? Not present at all in >>> /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ? >>> (I'm not trying to specify spelling for such here. But your >>> note might be better with this intended spelling also >>> being explicit so how it all fits together is more >>> clear.) >>> If /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is intended not to be edited at all >>> by default, that might have implications for some default >>> content there or inside /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ someplace >>> if pkgbase is not enabled by default. >>> (My understanding is that pkgbase is off by default.) >>=20 >> pkgbase is off by default in 14 but will be on by default in 15. >=20 > With 15 or main [then: 16] as the context . . . >=20 > Will buildworld buildkernel installkernel installworld (not > referencing various steps) for folks using source code based > updates need to undo an addition of pkgbase from the > installworld activity? Never? Just once? Each time? >=20 > Or is "on by default" more selective somehow for such > contexts? /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf override /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and the /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf are not modified by installworld . This is nothing new. Sorry for the noise. A similar point goes for file naming and content partitining: /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/*.conf need not match the naming or content partitioning used in /etc/pkg/ . /etc/pkg/ can be left as FreeBSD would initialize it. > Note: In my context I'll have pkgbase in use for the > booted world and available for use as the booted kernel, > although I'll have personal-build alternate kernels too. > My from-source installed world will be in, for example, a > chroot directory tree(s) and in a poudriere jail world(s). >=20 > I keep /usr/src/ for pkgbase to manage for itself and have > a separate /usr/main-src/ (as an example). >=20 > So I'll be dealing with both types of contexts no matter > what. >=20 >> People will >> need it to update their systems for security updates, for example, = since >> freebsd-update is going away (at least in its present form -- it = might turn >> into a wrapper around pkg). >>=20 >> Users who want to update the base system from another source (no pun = intended) >> will need to configure their systems appropriately. >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Wed Aug 20 16:08:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6WZg3GLHz64df8 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Received: from q.saper.info (q.saper.info [IPv6:2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "q.saper.info", Issuer "E6" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6WZg0gVrz40rR for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from q.saper.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57KG84sv095369 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:08:04 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=saper.info; s=Sep2014; t=1755706084; bh=8P1OS9Vk7K/FT1GqQKcCTS0I3cWN2Bz7wHzYQBXnzzo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ou+N2juKYrF9551kctcXAmWUbRpBX/7N9q4BNpjxkM0Zc+mGtoypkUQ6lQEL7LBkH zQquqs4eyGgU/PmG1eFzD+702oxvVDUmMqjBUOhFBQlBL/U/1danw4z7U9hd5aAxUQ f7fw0CN630a1d9OHeDd8r474c8q2bDUEIH5JwCHA= Received: from localhost (saper@localhost) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 57KG84M5095366; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:08:04 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) X-Authentication-Warning: q.saper.info: saper owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:08:04 +0000 From: Marcin Cieslak To: bob prohaska cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="2201072851-614611528-1755706084=:995" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47066, ipnet:2605:2700::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6WZg0gVrz40rR --2201072851-614611528-1755706084=:995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, bob prohaska wrote: > I've an old Pi2 v1.1 which has been tracking -current for some time. > > uname -v reports > bob@www:/usr/src % uname -v > FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #100 main-325e0b4c1a68: Mon Aug 18 15:23:41 PDT 2025 bob@www.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC > bob@www:/usr/src % > > Can the older machine be persuaded to display the sequence number? > Obviously I could reinstall, but I'm curious to see how long the > original installation can last. > > Thanks for reading, > > bob prohaska On the machine where you build your kernel for "www": git -C /usr/src rev-parse --is-shallow-repository If your repository is shallow, it will not get an "n" number. Whether having this is worth extra gigabytes on disk (git counts the number of commits "since the beginning"), it's up to you. If you convert the repository to have all the commits, you need to rebuild the kernel. 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Yesterday's FreeBSD-15.0-PRERELEASE-amd64-20250819-02a8fadd2c4d-279701-memstick.img (with pkgbasify) can repair a broken system, so things are smooth from my perspective. --------------2ZM7lwZStIg8M2mnnEuhkgXS Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 19/08/2025 17:08, Colin Percival wrote:
… I asked pkgmgr to do a special "only the packages re@ needs" build since
that could complete quickly -- and as of a few hours ago we have a full
snapshot build for 15.0, including install media, VM images, cloudware, and
OCI containers.

I'm *hoping* that things will be a bit smoother from here on; …

Thanks to Colin and pkgmgr for the quick extraordinary build. 

Yesterday's FreeBSD-15.0-PRERELEASE-amd64-20250819-02a8fadd2c4d-279701-memstick.img (with pkgbasify) can repair a broken system, so things are smooth from my perspective. 

--------------2ZM7lwZStIg8M2mnnEuhkgXS-- From nobody Wed Aug 20 16:18:43 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6Wpr6mkyz64fWZ for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Received: from q.saper.info (q.saper.info [IPv6:2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "q.saper.info", Issuer "E6" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6Wpr1HHFz42pW for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=saper.info header.s=Sep2014 header.b=O3QIUPBT; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of saper@saper.info has no SPF policy when checking 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61) smtp.mailfrom=saper@saper.info Received: from q.saper.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57KGIh9J095448 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:18:43 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=saper.info; s=Sep2014; t=1755706723; bh=uQnd3AOXJLEDeZnxvf74eACVG/tdVhccD4W3ji2XF2o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=O3QIUPBT24R1g7NB3aRM5rNQnACrvBtIfp4MradZaxMPb238K18CUKgHykId942gj rRKo7Al40Z5eHBQtgnW6/1b/kAdWKPnllumn7nACj1WYrG3/jckhDq4TSQcs8s/dwJ mENNXtX/kWxDFKY/DXYq+Dwi9q5C2B0FTO9cHKeU= Received: from localhost (saper@localhost) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 57KGIhek095445 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:18:43 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) X-Authentication-Warning: q.saper.info: saper owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 16:18:43 +0000 From: Marcin Cieslak To: FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: wifibox/passthrough broken after May 2025 - needs UPDATING entry In-Reply-To: <127o96or-0oqo-s562-r425-4p2144qr0893@fncre.vasb> Message-ID: <4007oor1-ss79-oo6r-p273-r4n679421s81@fncre.vasb> References: <127o96or-0oqo-s562-r425-4p2144qr0893@fncre.vasb> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="2201072851-1176742884-1755706723=:995" X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.40 / 15.00]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[saper.info:s=Sep2014]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[saper.info]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47066, ipnet:2605:2700::/32, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org]; RECEIVED_HELO_LOCALHOST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[saper.info:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6Wpr1HHFz42pW --2201072851-1176742884-1755706723=:995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 19 Aug 2025, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > Looks like the root cause of the problem was this: > > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Launching guest wifibox from > /usr/local/share/wifibox with grub-bhyve > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Application config is found at > /usr/local/etc/wifibox/wpa_supplicant > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 INFO Application config will be mounted writeable > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG Devices: > virtio-blk,/usr/local/share/wifibox/disk.img > virtio-9p,config=/usr/local/etc/wifibox/appliance,ro > virtio-9p,var=/var/run/wifibox/appl > iance virtio-9p,app_config=/usr/local/etc/wifibox/wpa_supplicant > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG Arguments: -S -M 128M -r host -c > /dev/nmdm-wifibox.1A -d /usr/local/share/wifibox wifibox > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG [grub-bhyve] Could not setup memory for VM > 2025-08-20T00:12:53+0200 DEBUG [grub-bhyve] Error in initializing VM > > Did some ABI important here changed? Rebuilding grub2-bhyve-0.40_11 from > source fixed the problem. I have tracked this down to https://reviews.freebsd.org/D44565 Adding COMPAT_FREEBSD14 to the kernel and/or rebuilding grub-bhyve with libvmmapi.so.7 fixes the problem. It would be great if this ABI change got documented in RELNOTES/UPDATING, thank you... 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I would like to have a separate file for each repository, similar to the > contents of /etc/newsyslog.conf.d/ or /etc/syslog.d/. > If there is one file for each repository, it can be managed using simple > tools such as cp / rm / sed to enable, disable or modify repositories - good > for scripted setups and automation. However, if there are multiple > repositories in one file, this task becomes much more complicated. In general, I like that approach. I don't particularly care if *all* the FreeBSD files are broken out, but I do like being able to have my own files (like my private poudriere package repo) and I don't have to worry about doing something that will mess with the FreeBSD-provided files and make etcupdate's life more difficult. I do like being able to override the defaults set in other people's files (disabling other repos so that the only thing available is my private one, for example). Most of my bad experiences are with RedHat, who's default behavior is to basically "this isn't exactly what I was expecting, don't stomp on the old file, make a .rpmnew file and carry on." I'm not sure how many issues are caused by etcupdate conflicts in the big scheme of things, but for me they're small and conflicts are rare enough. I'm particularly staring at that "scripted setups" scenario. If I can override defaults with my own files, I don't have to parse "their" files and worry about their contents changing subtly over time. "{ enabled: no }" in a file I control is great. 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We often change the URL or priority. And that's very easy to > do using 'sed' if there is only one repository in a single file. It's even easier to leave /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf alone and drop a file in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos with the correct URL. 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The configuration file is for use with pkg tools; we have 'pkg' in the url within the file; and 'pkg' in the path to the file. 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From nobody Wed Aug 20 18:40:17 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6ZxF0f6cz64prW for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (www.zefox.net [50.1.20.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pelorus.zefox.org", Issuer "pelorus.zefox.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6ZxD4b2Zz3DSs for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from www.zefox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57KIeIxD057240 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: (from fbsd@localhost) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 57KIeIfe057239; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:40:17 -0700 From: bob prohaska To: Marcin Cieslak Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number Message-ID: References: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7065, ipnet:50.1.16.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6ZxD4b2Zz3DSs On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 04:08:04PM +0000, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, bob prohaska wrote: > > > I've an old Pi2 v1.1 which has been tracking -current for some time. > > > > uname -v reports > > bob@www:/usr/src % uname -v > > FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #100 main-325e0b4c1a68: Mon Aug 18 15:23:41 PDT 2025 bob@www.zefox.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm.armv7/sys/GENERIC > > bob@www:/usr/src % > > > > Can the older machine be persuaded to display the sequence number? > > Obviously I could reinstall, but I'm curious to see how long the > > original installation can last. > > > > Thanks for reading, > > > > bob prohaska > > On the machine where you build your kernel for "www": > > git -C /usr/src rev-parse --is-shallow-repository > > If your repository is shallow, it will not get an "n" number. > That's the problem, the reply is "true". > Whether having this is worth extra gigabytes on disk (git counts the number > of commits "since the beginning"), it's up to you. The machine has only a 32GB disk, df reports: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s2a 35532636 11410120 21279908 35% / devfs 1 0 1 0% /dev /dev/da0s1 51088 17348 33740 34% /boot/msdos so it appears I have about 20 GB available. IIRC it's possible to "set a depth", could it be set to some small number, like 1, 2 or maybe 3, so I get the N-number without all the baggage? 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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-76e7d0d22e9sm6177567b3a.8.2025.08.20.11.49.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: <5d2daa68-cd27-4a56-9d69-5453b588a086@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 11:49:14 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Current , "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5d2daa68-cd27-4a56-9d69-5453b588a086@freebsd.org> To: Colin Percival X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6b8s5GxFz3GVC Would prefer shorter names or aliases. This is all FreeBSD related so why not just drop the FreeBSD- prefix? Thanks! > On Aug 19, 2025, at 3:49=E2=80=AFPM, Colin Percival = wrote: >=20 > Hi everyone, >=20 > With pkgbase being the intended way for users to manage 15.0 systems, > the current default /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf gives rise to confusion: It > defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits > maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >=20 > To reduce long-term confusion, I'm intending to rename the "FreeBSD" > repository to "FreeBSD-ports", and similarly rename "FreeBSD-kmods" to > "FreeBSD-ports-kmods". The repositories will still work, and will = still > access the same URLs, but the change will be visible; probably the = most > common scenario where this would cause problems for users is if they = have > "FreeBSD: {enabled: no }" in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf, = since > that would need to be adjusted to chase this change. >=20 > For obvious reasons, this change would not be MFCed. >=20 > You've got a week to convince me that this is a bad idea, otherwise = I'll > make the change on the 27th; I want to get this out of the way before = we > get too close to branching stable/15. >=20 > --=20 > Colin Percival > FreeBSD Release Engineering Lead & EC2 platform maintainer > Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly = paranoid >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Aug 20 18:55:31 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6bJ13tv4z64rGt; 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This is all FreeBSD related so > why not just drop the FreeBSD- prefix? Having FreeBSD- prefix might indicate that the repository is maintained by the FreeBSD organization. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grahamperrin]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32b:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6bZF6gN1z3MTH On 19/08/2025 23:49, Colin Percival wrote: > … rename "FreeBSD-kmods" to "FreeBSD-ports-kmods".  … I prefer FreeBSD-kmods. Not because FreeBSD-ports-kmods is troublesome, per se. Partly because: - it's only slightly more descriptive - the longer name is _not_ a hint that the repo is limited to a   _subset_ of non-base kernel modules. Also partly because users have become accustomed to the distinctive existing name, and I'm not aware of any user suggesting an alternative. I think of FreeBSD-kmods as complementing both FreeBSD-base _and_ FreeBSD-ports. If you rename the repo to reflect only the origin of the packages: that's, like, only part of the picture. From nobody Wed Aug 20 19:22:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6bvT338Jz64slJ for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Received: from q.saper.info (q.saper.info [IPv6:2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "q.saper.info", Issuer "E6" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6bvT0S5Fz3QWl for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from q.saper.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57KJMsOp097141 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:22:54 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=saper.info; s=Sep2014; t=1755717774; bh=2Z+1uRg47WZK0rKfjooXQJS0Gka6uH/vMInj1WVq4tU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=kzf0Wv3u2xij3sTZ4lIdnep9eOghFcOeUP5Ww9/gCeYDbcI6MxgpIPYxDnQDg9iPT QKY507wxI+9RSFYOLUHhr7ZKA6CDhkFM0YFwr7P8EPErwg20Kp8znH3heE7GAXoa8f e6Fx3Wi1wYrCcpQ5QkhOR8E4PoBApsx75lVBpaHs= Received: from localhost (saper@localhost) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 57KJMstw097138; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:22:54 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) X-Authentication-Warning: q.saper.info: saper owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 19:22:54 +0000 From: Marcin Cieslak To: bob prohaska cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9r1842o2-ro33-q95q-901n-283n74p6ro56@fncre.vasb> References: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="2201072851-1959596451-1755717774=:995" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47066, ipnet:2605:2700::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6bvT0S5Fz3QWl --2201072851-1959596451-1755717774=:995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, bob prohaska wrote: > IIRC it's possible to "set a depth", could it be set to some small > number, like 1, 2 or maybe 3, so I get the N-number without all the > baggage? 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<8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:42:26 +0200 Message-ID: <86349liv2l.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bob prohaska writes: > [...] IIRC it's possible to "set a depth", could it be set to some > small number, like 1, 2 or maybe 3, so I get the N-number without all > the baggage? What you call =E2=80=9Cthe N-number=E2=80=9D is literally the depth of your= repository. If you clone with --depth=3D5 then it will show up as 5. You can test it yourself with `git rev-list --first-parent --count HEAD`. A full clone is less than 3 GB, though, and if you're on ZFS, you can save quite a bit by making /usr/src and /usr/obj separate datasets and turning on compression. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Thu Aug 21 01:10:43 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6lbk24xgz65WB0 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 01:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: from www.zefox.net (www.zefox.net [50.1.20.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pelorus.zefox.org", Issuer "pelorus.zefox.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6lbj4nhxz46cs; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 01:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from www.zefox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57L1AhZG058160 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@www.zefox.net) Received: (from fbsd@localhost) by www.zefox.net (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) id 57L1AhES058159; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:10:43 -0700 From: bob prohaska To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Marcin Cieslak , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number Message-ID: References: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> <86349liv2l.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86349liv2l.fsf@ltc.des.dev> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7065, ipnet:50.1.16.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6lbj4nhxz46cs On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 10:42:26PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > bob prohaska writes: > > [...] IIRC it's possible to "set a depth", could it be set to some > > small number, like 1, 2 or maybe 3, so I get the N-number without all > > the baggage? > > What you call “the N-number†is literally the depth of your repository. > If you clone with --depth=5 then it will show up as 5. You can test it > yourself with `git rev-list --first-parent --count HEAD`. I was thinking it could be computed from the master repository, since I'm making no local changes to /usr/src. > > A full clone is less than 3 GB, though, and if you're on ZFS, you can > save quite a bit by making /usr/src and /usr/obj separate datasets and > turning on compression. > Right now /usr/src is a little over 3 GB. The machine could still function if /usr/src grew to 6 or 7 GB. Right now a Pi4 running -current is only using a little under 4 GB. That could be lived with. It looks like git pull --unshallow will bring in what's missing, will it give me a sensible n-number? Thanks very much for writing! bob prohaska . From nobody Thu Aug 21 05:55:19 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6sx71nyvz65qb4 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta003.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6sx633Ghz3kPY; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:55:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=permerror reason="p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com" header.from=cschubert.com (policy=permerror); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com designates 3.97.99.32 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com Received: from shw-obgw-4002a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.250]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id oqfKukP9s9JM2oyGfuk1BO; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:55:21 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id oyGeut4Kel5eGoyGeuLehR; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:55:21 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=EO6l0EZC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=68a6b4c9 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2OwXVqhp2XgA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=5_ukavQAwJDhXwC5YaYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy.cwsent.com [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B14A9E; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65D8B684; Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: des@freebsd.org, ivy@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: MIT KRB5 1.22.1 Import List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 22:55:19 -0700 Message-Id: <20250821055519.65D8B684@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfO9Ic9jccGxwBAXGdVJRmTRd2okLw6SEsqK04GEtgbCrZFMGT+ykFtwxtf4EvnL5yx1wuZ8NrM+xDcgwkZ4hlEL9TguDicbr09y+jQlJ3naN8xM0uFnU OBm6FpUy9DZxcVBLGAKYjDLgr9vwRbC555Mbv5z8Stgx013BZJkgiwx55OT5TJDvP9YYjEqwlDzayM6EbDyuJrRIjZ1bxtM/xqpLLpfWN7wgfR8iTMVjaL9k h4h+Y+eG39Uamze0tC4i7BEh5TGkvDFFssQC0J729Ms= X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[3.97.99.32:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.397]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:3.97.99.32/31]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.32:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_BAD_POLICY(0.00)[cschubert.com : p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6sx633Ghz3kPY KRB5 1.22.0 released with a GSSAPI bug (CVE-2025-57736). 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The machine could still > function if /usr/src grew to 6 or 7 GB. The exact number will depend on your filesystem. Use ZFS with compression for best results. > It looks like git pull --unshallow will bring in what's missing, will > it give me a sensible n-number? Yes. 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The point patch= =20 > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point patch plu= s=20 > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a few day= s=20 > of testing on Aug 25. Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in the committers guide) so others can test it too. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Thu Aug 21 09:24:15 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c6yZJ5TJsz64ZrP for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Received: from q.saper.info (q.saper.info [IPv6:2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fec7:5c61]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "q.saper.info", Issuer "E6" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c6yZJ1ZkQz3HSG; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saper@saper.info) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from q.saper.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPS id 57L9OGr0004119 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:16 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=saper.info; s=Sep2014; t=1755768256; bh=k0w+unfJmpO7bfBzpIHlTlQTGzVj1JANlWVSzaZ/iMc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=SqvPW3Io+f0knDh+Np497viKPiJAB2VHxZnFY+TQ2ToRjmpt/nhGVQMZhyILkftSH zJTMOH7Ta2E2enBAMmemBF5+T3x/GiJa/bEtLVidYv1cfBZyVfvMa1aBiMeFTOLM6l 5fAaHYvh6SE9/sfZDl7P9pNXtrpwgDATBE8QAZf8= Received: from localhost (saper@localhost) by q.saper.info (8.18.1/8.18.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 57L9OFm0004116; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:15 GMT (envelope-from saper@saper.info) X-Authentication-Warning: q.saper.info: saper owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:15 +0000 From: Marcin Cieslak To: bob prohaska cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> <86349liv2l.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="2201072851-1345183037-1755768256=:995" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:47066, ipnet:2605:2700::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6yZJ1ZkQz3HSG --2201072851-1345183037-1755768256=:995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wed, 20 Aug 2025, bob prohaska wrote: > Right now /usr/src is a little over 3 GB. The machine could still function > if /usr/src grew to 6 or 7 GB. Right now a Pi4 running -current is only > using a little under 4 GB. What I did a lot in the past was NFS-sharing /usr/src (and sometimes /usr/obj) via NFS. 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List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 02:39:22 -0700 Message-Id: <20250821093922.AEEBE213@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfAAyATgGehyYhaUab16uDNIx6j1c3LuFFEeXuhVRTm1qOxhwtwhP+NBWWu96lfRf1fi57Yew5tCIAIKe6sfcbsHTbiYIXFsPL0Df/ez3Jv+nnL+Qa6Ae AZjyR7dyxs7FAbQWydUAvpUQ6VdWAH1vRbnrj2+M2op1LQ89gXtcIs/V6Mm2yv0fh4VG/cj250yZGXWYafPGQ8qLKKwU9wAtfLywV7mXhwhGJN9+n+0TbjjA BeVEKCEzi3uNtv61HarRuQ8ftZYqHnQ+1e78tY8YnAk= X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.01 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.71)[-0.709]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[3.97.99.33:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:3.97.99.32/31]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.33:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_BAD_POLICY(0.00)[cschubert.com : p tag has invalid value: quarantine rua=mailto:p[ostmaster@cschubert.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c6yvc49YWz3Kwh In message <20250821093615.B4293211@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert writes: > In message <86frdlkw30.fsf@ltc.des.dev>, =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav? > = w > rites: > > Cy Schubert writes: > > > KRB5 1.22.0 released with a GSSAPI bug (CVE-2025-57736). The point patch= > > =20 > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point patch plu > = > > s=20 > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a few day > = > > s=20 > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in the > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it though. See https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52083 for full patch. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 From nobody Thu Aug 21 11:05:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c70qS4YxQz64j8s for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c70qS3rYNz3VKt; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755774356; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Fe1xwbw9PW/tjcTVRq7hMQHGdvhEkSZ1Wxjkx7CRBk4=; b=wpugaX9H6m3X0VV2FUWDdn3IOeA72l8PWcFNjL9foM2t68xxUhbR4Tw4R5U5ROa4dAU+65 NyPUMiEq+gMUtXG1V26vHAeLbhTMg0wflDmGrGiuJZO6Eo7Gh98beouINOhpZmBEK2157o 8468vMU2cHSgoQMaLawumPzfw8FIYvqrdO12Cq5jFPbRimd6dudlnyVq1lfv8f54LznvI9 bHc0hVMzheH4y7B//RV8kCJlURVXdt7i2PXfiXC24krG+cNY0dzcBkEM5LvdyfTjxmzlgx zTiGDKNRoxRuqKmZULNQMjksBvFqeQRjV70KXRrp2e2MJHgxKIG8cJ+fF6TKFg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755774356; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Fe1xwbw9PW/tjcTVRq7hMQHGdvhEkSZ1Wxjkx7CRBk4=; b=fqIek/77tThh32tJBSBILtFw0UzFTgLGZg3NvVFHa2FL4Q01a3LWYuFFdXM9wXjkBNPmSx IPBHqSqbVVhAwEoeDJ/N9n2ipFbS8OW9mZqmgiKa+njVYLh2j2SoM42Yl3LGJ5X+bYGpkj YTkfT6/CHtwWN+ysHqFjqvVmSQgegnkrH1CqZ948lewtvG6CE0gi5YpVk5fT4Qme4xUPLY EkLmV0FRa0HansZ5Tiy5NKRK+jwtcG9r9UpCkDzU5hA8KIn+rFGE6dRQNVTu95NwswoChP WfOjCAnKYV1oHwMfnYhnm1uRpN+8tBYgYOQrR8HBKTGOG9juts9ZIrP71YdYRA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1755774356; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mA6XmlNRXOKfB+SWGFTJ+YLHEp6iT2+brJrVDnH9mg+TzpbOimcw5gaeOsfK5IMiTOBqTA 6vkshDrpukApjpaK3phQoDIXlxKkr2s2YeuLDcmnk82wwWiLfzC3BWG81QMTECmSHdNW7O zPGub/qkX8athcUZAOpjlEyyevp3+uWhwXDvjFWUOc5ziELVACKRC5rJUnx3aRCkA2rWXX yyfVN+P+isIsI8uVUEliatvYPX8JsOND5TwWleys4OCoRV61tCAAVQavOt1VxWN8o64Qb4 hy0iQpOIOnPTpiwX/OAJYGIUKfq8DXkjs0DOtXNbIsOBAY391jHs9Qt9b8hhuQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c70qS2b8Pz1C9y; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 11:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 398CF3C2DD; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:05:54 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Marcin Cieslak Cc: bob prohaska , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: uname -v does not report an n-number In-Reply-To: (Marcin Cieslak's message of "Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:24:15 +0000") References: <8sr90302-s4s0-1nr6-p9o7-2p9rs5n1s7or@fncre.vasb> <86349liv2l.fsf@ltc.des.dev> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:05:54 +0200 Message-ID: <867byxkk8d.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marcin Cieslak writes: > What I did a lot in the past was NFS-sharing /usr/src (and sometimes /usr= /obj) > via NFS. If it is one network, you don't really need to copy the same stu= ff > accross the little machines. I wouldn't recommend that unless there's no other option. Git is very sensitive to file system latency and does not perform well over NFS. 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[80.115.35.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-afded2bc53dsm386370366b.7.2025.08.21.05.11.01 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <67d49c1e-37d2-423d-a16a-d5e966ee8d66@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 14:11:00 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: jemalloc 5.3.0 upgrade To: FreeBSD Current References: Content-Language: en-US From: Johan Hendriks In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::634:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c72Gj1PXtz3bRy On 8/15/25 11:56 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > After much delay, I've landed jemalloc 5.3.0 into main. > > This is likely the last update of jemalloc since the upstream is, at > best, in turmoil, and at worst dead. > > I tried to completely automate all the details of the upgrade, but > only got so far. I did the rest of the upgrade by hand (described in > FREEBSD-upgrade). I'd held off landing this until I had that, but once > it was clear this was likely the last time we'd need this, I just did > the last few steps by hand. I did this to make it easier to audit to > ensure that the pull request we got for this (which I redid, but > compared to the original) didn't sneak something in. Others can audit > me as well. > > I've run this with a netflix workload and my developer workload with > no regressions. > > Please let me know if this causes problems for anybody. I'm sure glad > I'll not have to rebase the merge again (it was a pathological case > for the instructions in the handbook, so I'll update those). > > I've been coordinating this with the release engineer for a while now, > who gave me a go ahead for landing this during the freeze since I > couldn't finish before my vacation last month... > > Warner > > P.S. Here's the release notes: > +* 5.3.0 (May 6, 2022) > + > +  This release contains many speed and space optimizations, from micro > +  optimizations on common paths to rework of internal data structures and > +  locking schemes, and many more too detailed to list below. Multiple > percent > +  of system level metric improvements were measured in tested production > +  workloads.  The release has gone through large-scale production > testing. > + > +  New features: > +  - Add the thread.idle mallctl which hints that the calling thread > will be > +    idle for a nontrivial period of time.  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Allow small size classes to be the maximum size class to cache in the > +    thread-specific cache, through the opt.[lg_]tcache_max option. >  (@interwq, > +    @jordalgo) > +  - Make the behavior of realloc(ptr, 0) configurable with > opt.zero_realloc. > +    (@davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Add 'make uninstall' support.  (@sangshuduo, @Lapenkov) > +  - Support C++17 over-aligned allocation.  (@marksantaniello) > +  - Add the thread.peak mallctl for approximate per-thread peak > memory tracking. > +    (@davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Add interval-based stats output opt.stats_interval.  (@interwq) > +  - Add prof.prefix to override filename prefixes for dumps. >  (@zhxchen17) > +  - Add high resolution timestamp support for profiling.  (@tyroguru) > +  - Add the --collapsed flag to jeprof for flamegraph generation. > +    (@igorwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww) > +  - Add the --debug-syms-by-id option to jeprof for debug symbols > discovery. > +    (@DeannaGelbart) > +  - Add the opt.prof_leak_error option to exit with error code when > leak is > +    detected using opt.prof_final.  (@yunxuo) > +  - Add opt.cache_oblivious as an runtime alternative to > config.cache_oblivious. > +    (@interwq) > +  - Add mallctl interfaces: > +    + opt.zero_realloc  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +    + opt.cache_oblivious  (@interwq) > +    + opt.prof_leak_error  (@yunxuo) > +    + opt.stats_interval  (@interwq) > +    + opt.stats_interval_opts  (@interwq) > +    + opt.tcache_max  (@interwq) > +    + opt.trust_madvise  (@azat) > +    + prof.prefix  (@zhxchen17) > +    + stats.zero_reallocs  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +    + thread.idle  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +    + thread.peak.{read,reset}  (@davidtgoldblatt) > + > +  Bug fixes: > +  - Fix the synchronization around explicit tcache creation which > could cause > +    invalid tcache identifiers.  This regression was first released > in 5.0.0. > +    (@yoshinorim, @davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Fix a profiling biasing issue which could cause incorrect heap > usage and > +    object counts.  This issue existed in all previous releases with > the heap > +    profiling feature.  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Fix the order of stats counter updating on large realloc which > could cause > +    failed assertions.  This regression was first released in 5.0.0. >  (@azat) > +  - Fix the locking on the arena destroy mallctl, which could cause > concurrent > +    arena creations to fail.  This functionality was first introduced > in 5.0.0. > +    (@interwq) > + > +  Portability improvements: > +  - Remove nothrow from system function declarations on macOS and > FreeBSD. > +    (@davidtgoldblatt, @fredemmott, @leres) > +  - Improve overcommit and page alignment settings on NetBSD.  (@zoulasc) > +  - Improve CPU affinity support on BSD platforms.  (@devnexen) > +  - Improve utrace detection and support.  (@devnexen) > +  - Improve QEMU support with MADV_DONTNEED zeroed pages detection. >  (@azat) > +  - Add memcntl support on Solaris / illumos.  (@devnexen) > +  - Improve CPU_SPINWAIT on ARM.  (@AWSjswinney) > +  - Improve TSD cleanup on FreeBSD.  (@Lapenkov) > +  - Disable percpu_arena if the CPU count cannot be reliably > detected.  (@azat) > +  - Add malloc_size(3) override support.  (@devnexen) > +  - Add mmap VM_MAKE_TAG support.  (@devnexen) > +  - Add support for MADV_[NO]CORE.  (@devnexen) > +  - Add support for DragonFlyBSD.  (@devnexen) > +  - Fix the QUANTUM setting on MIPS64.  (@brooksdavis) > +  - Add the QUANTUM setting for ARC.  (@vineetgarc) > +  - Add the QUANTUM setting for LoongArch.  (@wangjl-uos) > +  - Add QNX support.  (@jqian-aurora) > +  - Avoid atexit(3) calls unless the relevant profiling features are > enabled. > +    (@BusyJay, @laiwei-rice, @interwq) > +  - Fix unknown option detection when using Clang.  (@Lapenkov) > +  - Fix symbol conflict with musl libc.  (@georgthegreat) > +  - Add -Wimplicit-fallthrough checks.  (@nickdesaulniers) > +  - Add __forceinline support on MSVC.  (@santagada) > +  - Improve FreeBSD and Windows CI support.  (@Lapenkov) > +  - Add CI support for PPC64LE architecture.  (@ezeeyahoo) > + > +  Incompatible changes: > +  - Maximum size class allowed in tcache (opt.[lg_]tcache_max) now > has an upper > +    bound of 8MiB.  (@interwq) > + > +  Optimizations and refactors (@davidtgoldblatt, @Lapenkov, @interwq): > +  - Optimize the common cases of the thread cache operations. > +  - Optimize internal data structures, including RB tree and pairing > heap. > +  - Optimize the internal locking on extent management. > +  - Extract and refactor the internal page allocator and interface > modules. > + > +  Documentation: > +  - Fix doc build with --with-install-suffix.  (@lawmurray, @interwq) > +  - Add PROFILING_INTERNALS.md.  (@davidtgoldblatt) > +  - Ensure the proper order of doc building and installation. >  (@Mingli-Yu) > > Just a thank you for all your work. regards, Johan Hendriks From nobody Thu Aug 21 13:17:22 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c73n12WKwz64tX5 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (bastille.leidinger.net [89.238.82.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c73mz2nBpz3nZJ for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 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I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail. Result: 1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate dataset, I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to be able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). When I resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died with a bad syscall. 2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted. I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, but some still died (e.g. php_fpm). At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the jails on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case someone needs to get some info out of it. I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in this regard. src.conf: ---snip--- WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=yes KERNCONF=ANDROMEDA WITH_RETPOLINE=yes WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=yes WITH_RELRO=yes WITH_BIND_NOW=yes OPT_INIT_ALL=zero WITH_ZEROREGS=yes WITHOUT_CLEAN=yes LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=no LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=no LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=no LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=no LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=no LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=no ---snip--- src-env.conf: ---snip--- WITH_META_MODE=yes FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 ---snip--- Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF --=_3e5ac03fff0d91fa2cdae0a90f01860d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc; size=833 Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEER9UlYXp1PSd08nWXEg2wmwP42IYFAminHHIACgkQEg2wmwP4 2IYQAg//ZbSpw/3p1Gd1kDOGaq2iWdzPspCyrHfFh8vnyE/Q5SN0nE7dovJh7rpA 8IVfY7h1dBRib4Ar7p3xMFlxais3FpEpNZEFBCV2rqNppSRSBZFILqCU+SYbKwS6 ACPmOeqqqv7lrK1RsslUkp4DKlfmcFLs82wv+MeS1N1lVtki+F3eEBeCpmqforJO /VOc2s96oKQDFLyqqx9B70hMVJ3tBqkFME+wh75xTHYEQ+0I7SOXapBHD3xPcK5L ct1TNxRYsa+Xi0astQxacjsfz1yRXpH12VSMXR3D3fo5HwvKjMadIw/aIWKZhS+A Ik4BwOhF0RoBSjtZgyUja+T4MgU0KeeOtg0bIPTlOVzB+0bPZL/XIJ0lRehOvI7M 4MmztQLZwKRIrE0hdNkYheyjFm37NGNpj4yQ7fApl9U4Ip96OtFeq7gbusrsi098 a5PO5Ytl91rnC2VkvMwHy6TBpOGCkeBm1Xo84u6zlhdoCNkcoBLKQxhJCAdShMbn KSmaXb9EZUnGguaXmwTs8DSNj5eBiuwkgXCLVlCVtok+wMSSOoQIMm+JDCBmYLZn Bhzphe91QrXhQ8j5r0sXbzAoILp1ueNmYuICf6yNJJs0axYMMK2H1ImN6Jioh7Dt hoUp6wPHmmvLIV934hYj1q9T+LeZVB+mqS+/71JxY9oUaCM+csU= =tYmf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_3e5ac03fff0d91fa2cdae0a90f01860d-- From nobody Thu Aug 21 13:56:38 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c74cR35fFz64wmB; 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mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [IPV6:2601:5c0:4202:5670:80cc:3c85:a16d:faed] (unknown [IPv6:2601:5c0:4202:5670:80cc:3c85:a16d:faed]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c74cR0SD4z3ry; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 13:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:56:38 -0400 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: RFC: Renaming "FreeBSD" repo in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf to "FreeBSD-ports" Content-Language: en-US To: Gleb Popov Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org" , FreeBSD Release Engineering Team References: <5d2daa68-cd27-4a56-9d69-5453b588a086@freebsd.org> <7c48e14d-b463-4523-8610-e18ac99f3381@FreeBSD.org> From: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 8/20/25 10:31, Gleb Popov wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:22 PM John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 8/20/25 01:54, Gleb Popov wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 1:49 AM Colin Percival wrote: >>>> >>>> To reduce long-term confusion, I'm intending to rename the "FreeBSD" >>>> repository to "FreeBSD-ports", and similarly rename "FreeBSD-kmods" to >>>> "FreeBSD-ports-kmods". >>> >>> Having "ports" in the repository name does not make sense to me at >>> all. Ports are recipes to produce packages, but there are more ways (I >>> know at least one) to create a pkg package. >> >> But the packages in that repo are generated by FreeBSD ports? > > Yes, they are. Ok, if we're going full bikeshedding mode then I think that repos > should be named after what they represent rather than from what they are built. > That is, > - FreeBSD packages > - FreeBSD base packages > - FreeBSD kernel modules But then this last name is wrong. There are kernel modules in the base system as well, so that repository does not contain all of the project-provided kernel modules. > All right, maybe "FreeBSD packages" looks like a superset of the > latter two, so we can call it "FreeBSD main packages", which aligns > nicely with "FreeBSD quarterly packages". "main" vs "base" is not at all clear. Which one contains the package for /bin/ls? Is that in the "main" package set, or the "base" package set? Shouldn't the "main" package set contain the "main" parts of the system? (Or at least, isn't it conceivable that some users will think that and get inevitably confused?) I think using "ports" in the name is the best way to remove ambiguity. I would be fine, btw, with using "src" in the name for the base pkg repository. I can understand why the logical project is called pkgbase instead of pkgsrc to avoid conflicting the other pkgsrc project, but these descriptions seem clear to me: - "FreeBSD src" - "FreeBSD ports" - "FreeBSD ports kernel modules" And they could be named "FreeBSD-src" and "FreeBSD-ports" without having any single repository named just "FreeBSD". This better aligns with how we name the base system in other places (src.git, github/freebsd/freebsd-src.git, etc.) >>>> It defines a "FreeBSD" pkg repository which is in fact specifically bits >>>> maintained *outside* of FreeBSD (and packaged via the ports tree). >>> >>> Can't agree with this either. FreeBSD Ports are maintained *inside* >>> the project as well as package building and hosting infrastructure. It >>> feels perfectly fine to have a single configuration file named after >>> the *vendor*, which provides multiple repos maintained by that vendor. >> >> What if people only wish to use pkg.freebsd.org for base but not ports >> or vice versa? > > User can disable whatever repository he wants, it has nothing to do in > what config file this repo is declared. I had misinterpreted your suggestion to be that there should be a single "FreeBSD" repo that contained both base and ports packages. 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[192.0.220.237]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7e87f16f9ecsm1105000985a.24.2025.08.21.07.18.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 21 Aug 2025 07:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:18:25 -0400 From: Mark Johnston To: Cy Schubert Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ivy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: MIT KRB5 1.22.1 Import Message-ID: References: <20250821055519.65D8B684@slippy.cwsent.com> <86frdlkw30.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <20250821093615.B4293211@slippy.cwsent.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250821093615.B4293211@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c755g2kJjz40Nb On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 02:36:15AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <86frdlkw30.fsf@ltc.des.dev>, =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav? > = w > rites: > > Cy Schubert writes: > > > KRB5 1.22.0 released with a GSSAPI bug (CVE-2025-57736). The point patch= > > =20 > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point patch plu= > > s=20 > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a few day= > > s=20 > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in the > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it though. What problem do you run into exactly? Could you provide a recipe for me to reproduce it locally? From nobody Thu Aug 21 15:10:23 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c76FY6wW3z65H2c for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta003.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c76FY45N1z3D7r; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id p2wAukqDb9JM2p6vous5h2; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:10:24 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.136.217]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id p6vnu0K6qWbOap6vouCDVR; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:10:24 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=Q5lx4J2a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=68a736e0 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:117 a=h7br+8Ma+Xn9xscxy5znUg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=2OwXVqhp2XgA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=CrPb68glFMP9RZmR7h8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy.cwsent.com [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4080B10A; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 39D09205; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Mark Johnston cc: Cy Schubert , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, ivy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: MIT KRB5 1.22.1 Import In-reply-to: References: <20250821055519.65D8B684@slippy.cwsent.com> <86frdlkw30.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <20250821093615.B4293211@slippy.cwsent.com> Comments: In-reply-to Mark Johnston message dated "Thu, 21 Aug 2025 10:18:25 -0400." 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The point patc > h= > > > =20 > > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point patch p > lu= > > > s=20 > > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a few d > ay= > > > s=20 > > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in the > > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it though > . > > What problem do you run into exactly? Could you provide a recipe for me > to reproduce it locally? It's a vendor import. It's the same problem we have with git rebase and git diff of a vendor import. (This is why vendor imports use a special procedure [see committers guide].) I've created a generic patch and have created a revision with it. 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The poin= t > patc > > h=3D > > > > =3D20 > > > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point > patch p > > lu=3D > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a > few d > > ay=3D > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in t= he > > > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > > > > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it > though > > . > > > > What problem do you run into exactly? Could you provide a recipe for m= e > > to reproduce it locally? > > It's a vendor import. It's the same problem we have with git rebase and > git > diff of a vendor import. (This is why vendor imports use a special > procedure [see committers guide].) > I think you just need to tell arc to use the first parent.... I've created a generic patch and have created a revision with it. But it > will not be used for the commit because it affects history. > Warner --0000000000004b0148063ce187a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Aug 21,= 2025 at 9:10=E2=80=AFAM Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> wrote:
In message <aKcqsXIyYobdRIlY@nuc>= , Mark Johnston writes:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 02:36:15AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
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> > >
> > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as describ= ed in the
> > > committers guide) so others can test it too.
> >
> > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick= it though
> .
>
> What problem do you run into exactly?=C2=A0 Could you provide a recipe= for me
> to reproduce it locally?

It's a vendor import. It's the same problem we have with git rebase= and git
diff of a vendor import. (This is why vendor imports use a special
procedure [see committers guide].)

I th= ink you just need to tell arc to use the first parent....

I've created a gen= eric patch and have created a revision with it. But it
will not be used for the commit because it affects history.

Warner=C2=A0
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There are kernel modules in the base s= ystem > as well, so that repository does not contain all of the project-provided = kernel > modules. > > > All right, maybe "FreeBSD packages" looks like a superset of the > > latter two, so we can call it "FreeBSD main packages", which aligns > > nicely with "FreeBSD quarterly packages". > > "main" vs "base" is not at all clear. Which one contains the package for > /bin/ls? Is that in the "main" package set, or the "base" package set? > Shouldn't the "main" package set contain the "main" parts of the system? > (Or at least, isn't it conceivable that some users will think that and ge= t > inevitably confused?) > > I think using "ports" in the name is the best way to remove ambiguity. > I would be fine, btw, with using "src" in the name for the base pkg > repository. 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(Recently [gs]etgroups were changed, with compatibility syscalls moved to COMPAT_FREEBSD14). On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to update from -current as of 2025-08-11-154054 (CEST) to > 2025-08-20-075320. I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail. > Result: > > 1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate dataset, > I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to be > able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the > dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). When I > resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died with a > bad syscall. > > 2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted. > > I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, but > some still died (e.g. php_fpm). > > At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the jails > on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case someone > needs to get some info out of it. > > I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in this > regard. > > src.conf: > ---snip--- > WITHOUT_PROFILE=3Dyes > CFLAGS+=3D-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3Dyes > WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3Dyes > WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=3Dyes > KERNCONF=3DANDROMEDA > WITH_RETPOLINE=3Dyes > WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=3Dyes > WITH_RELRO=3Dyes > WITH_BIND_NOW=3Dyes > OPT_INIT_ALL=3Dzero > WITH_ZEROREGS=3Dyes > WITHOUT_CLEAN=3Dyes > LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=3Dno > LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=3Dno > LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=3Dno > LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=3Dno > LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=3Dno > LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=3Dno > ---snip--- > > src-env.conf: > ---snip--- > WITH_META_MODE=3Dyes > FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 > ---snip--- > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF > http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF > --00000000000089290c063ce268f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since you are using a custom kernel, is it possible that you d= idn't have=C2=A0COMPAT_FREEBSD14?=C2=A0 (Recently [gs]etgroups were cha= nged, with compatibility syscalls moved to COMPAT_FREEBSD14).
On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 6:19=E2=80=AFAM Alexander Leidinger= <Alexander@leidinger.net= > wrote:
Hi,<= br>
I tried to update from -current as of 2025-08-11-154054 (CEST) to
2025-08-20-075320. I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail.
Result:

1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate dataset, I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to be
able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the
dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). When I
resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died with a
bad syscall.

2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted.

I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, but
some still died (e.g. php_fpm).

At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the jails on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case someone needs to get some info out of it.

I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in this
regard.

src.conf:
---snip---
WITHOUT_PROFILE=3Dyes
CFLAGS+=3D-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS
MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3Dyes
WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=3Dyes
WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=3Dyes
KERNCONF=3DANDROMEDA
WITH_RETPOLINE=3Dyes
WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=3Dyes
WITH_RELRO=3Dyes
WITH_BIND_NOW=3Dyes
OPT_INIT_ALL=3Dzero
WITH_ZEROREGS=3Dyes
WITHOUT_CLEAN=3Dyes
LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=3Dno
LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=3Dno
LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=3Dno
LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=3Dno
LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=3Dno
LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=3Dno
---snip---

src-env.conf:
---snip---
WITH_META_MODE=3Dyes
FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2
---snip---

Bye,
Alexander.

--
h= ttp://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF=
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List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 09:27:50 -0700 Message-Id: <20250821162750.D9BCC307@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfNItquK1414Svw3XsiJguk2CzBFWPIQE7BZ1F5wtFVX0qbzXazoF7lmsMcy4nlNGcWR7dlce4QRj6aDysmnhLaPRrJbjMJDGeDUtGj+aLR66SnkkjNeu CgSIsRmrTDFcTBSvBKcpNdzwrRSsq04uQCmJz5Gc2mkL7tqLEZ/WCGQhKeJMNnxEdLMxbk0UHhHAyioAtbTmXzsr2tWAeH9AUsSbU3uENzlXCqs0SJEiJIUh 2qgj2viGeWfzve4f2EaLBNVPiG6+nZKMxnf5D0PPHxqECKxSdjqlCkgWoxRD4TT3D5NkqIn/PBQTX4+YwWlRwQ== X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c77yy0ZMqz3Snt In message , Warner Losh writes: > --0000000000004b0148063ce187a5 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 9:10=E2=80=AFAM Cy Schubert com> > wrote: > > > In message , Mark Johnston writes: > > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 02:36:15AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > In message <86frdlkw30.fsf@ltc.des.dev>, > > =3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3DC3=3DB8rgrav > > > ? > > > > =3D w > > > > rites: > > > > > Cy Schubert writes: > > > > > > KRB5 1.22.0 released with a GSSAPI bug (CVE-2025-57736). The poin= > t > > patc > > > h=3D > > > > > =3D20 > > > > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point > > patch p > > > lu=3D > > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a > > few d > > > ay=3D > > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > > > > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in t= > he > > > > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > > > > > > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it > > though > > > . > > > > > > What problem do you run into exactly? Could you provide a recipe for m= > e > > > to reproduce it locally? > > > > It's a vendor import. It's the same problem we have with git rebase and > > git > > diff of a vendor import. (This is why vendor imports use a special > > procedure [see committers guide].) > > > > I think you just need to tell arc to use the first parent.... That would be the commit hash in the vendor branch? commit dbbb504963792cabf7a2ef862dbb92b254f56782 (HEAD -> krb5-1221) Merge: 458ac2b6e445 e5fe63eaf1d3 Author: Cy Schubert AuthorDate: Wed Aug 20 22:38:21 2025 -0700 Commit: Cy Schubert CommitDate: Wed Aug 20 22:40:52 2025 -0700 krb5: Update to 1.22.1 Merge commit 'e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da' into main commit e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da (tag: vendor/krb5/1.22.1, freebsd/vendor/krb5, vendor/krb5) Author: Cy Schubert AuthorDate: Wed Aug 20 22:22:31 2025 -0700 Commit: Cy Schubert CommitDate: Wed Aug 20 22:22:47 2025 -0700 krb5: Import MIT 1.22.1 Security: CVE-2025-57736 Note that a git format-patch -2 doesn't include the e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da commit. I don't understand why the vendor commit no longer appears in history after the vendor branch merge has been pushed. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e**(i*pi)+1=0 > > I've created a generic patch and have created a revision with it. 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The poin > = > > t > > > patc > > > > h=3D > > > > > > =3D20 > > > > > > > was applied on Aug 19 (f96110babbe1). 1.22.1 contains the point > > > patch p > > > > lu=3D > > > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > > > an additional GSSAPI patch. I intend to commit it to HEAD after a > > > few d > > > > ay=3D > > > > > > s=3D20 > > > > > > > of testing on Aug 25. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your patch for review (using git arc, as described in t > = > > he > > > > > > committers guide) so others can test it too. > > > > > > > > > > git arc does not work with vendor merges. There is a way to trick it > > > though > > > > . > > > > > > > > What problem do you run into exactly? Could you provide a recipe for m > = > > e > > > > to reproduce it locally? > > > > > > It's a vendor import. It's the same problem we have with git rebase and > > > git > > > diff of a vendor import. (This is why vendor imports use a special > > > procedure [see committers guide].) > > > > > > > I think you just need to tell arc to use the first parent.... > > That would be the commit hash in the vendor branch? > > commit dbbb504963792cabf7a2ef862dbb92b254f56782 (HEAD -> krb5-1221) > Merge: 458ac2b6e445 e5fe63eaf1d3 > Author: Cy Schubert > AuthorDate: Wed Aug 20 22:38:21 2025 -0700 > Commit: Cy Schubert > CommitDate: Wed Aug 20 22:40:52 2025 -0700 > > krb5: Update to 1.22.1 > > Merge commit 'e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da' into main > > commit e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da (tag: vendor/krb5/1.22.1, > freebsd/vendor/krb5, vendor/krb5) > Author: Cy Schubert > AuthorDate: Wed Aug 20 22:22:31 2025 -0700 > Commit: Cy Schubert > CommitDate: Wed Aug 20 22:22:47 2025 -0700 > > krb5: Import MIT 1.22.1 > > Security: CVE-2025-57736 > > > Note that a git format-patch -2 doesn't include the > e5fe63eaf1d35ebbeac17eeed04cf873fbb9b3da commit. > > I don't understand why the vendor commit no longer appears in history after > the vendor branch merge has been pushed. I used the vendor branch commit hash. As with git-diff the files are rooted from contrib/krb5 not from the root of the source tree. 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REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7CFX0XFwz3mTn --Apple-Mail=_B4F2927F-75B6-4917-8300-4AF4E0A11DEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Aug 21, 2025, at 9:40=E2=80=AFAM, Cy Schubert = wrote: >=20 > In message <20250821162750.D9BCC307@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert = writes: =E2=80=A6 > I used the vendor branch commit hash. As with git-diff the files are = rooted=20 > from contrib/krb5 not from the root of the source tree. This must be a=20= > subtree merge thing. I=E2=80=99ve been using `git subtree merge -P` as of late when = doing vendor imports. git merge/git cherry-pick don=E2=80=99t do the = right thing when I run those commands. 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Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:46:17 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: native x-tools fails to build for poudriere/riscv64 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; 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The -X means 'no native cr= oss-compilation' server is FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #0 main-n278917-233a26b5c5d7 GENERIC-NODEBUG= amd64 1500053 1500053 # cat riscv64-src.conf KERNCONF=3DGENERIC-NODEBUG WITH_CCACHE_BUILD=3D CCACHE_PREFIX=3D/usr/local/bin # WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=3D WITH_LLVM_TARGET_ALL=3D #WITH_LLVM_TARGET_RISCV=3D # WITHOUT_TESTS=3D # cat riscv64-src-env.conf WITH_META_MODE=3DYES # poudriere jail -c -j riscv64 -J20 -a riscv.riscv64 -m git+https -v stable= /14 I've also tried -b -m src=3D/usr/src -v main but it errors in the same way. fails here: make[5]: stopped making "all" in /usr/local/poudriere/jails/riscv64/usr/src= /usr.bin/clang/llvm-strings =2EERROR_TARGET=3D'llvm-strings' =2EERROR_META_FILE=3D'/usr/obj/usr/local/poudriere/jails/riscv64/usr/src/am= d64.amd64/nxb/riscv.riscv64/usr.bin/clang/llvm-strings/llvm-strings.meta' =2EMAKE.LEVEL=3D'5' MAKEFILE=3D'' =2EMAKE.MODE=3D'meta missing-filemon=3Dyes missing-meta=3Dyes silent=3Dyes = verbose' 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[01:09:44] Removing riscv64 jail... done --=20 From nobody Thu Aug 21 20:19:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c7F5m2W0Mz65cm8 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) Received: from serendipity35.net.net (serendipity35.net [167.71.244.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "serendipity35.net", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c7F5k5Jghz45G9 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 20:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=beachpatt.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of timothyk@beachpatt.com designates 167.71.244.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=timothyk@beachpatt.com Received: from [192.168.254.154] (50-36-34-57.drr01.mybh.sc.frontiernet.net [50.36.34.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by serendipity35.net.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPSA id 57LKJ52n051787 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:19:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) X-Authentication-Warning: serendipity35.net.net: Host 50-36-34-57.drr01.mybh.sc.frontiernet.net [50.36.34.57] claimed to be [192.168.254.154] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:19:04 -0400 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: TIM Beach Subject: Console keyboard disabled under Parallels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.57 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.995]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.971]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[beachpatt.com,quarantine]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:167.71.240.0/20, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7F5k5Jghz45G9 When using Current under Parallels Desktop Pro, recent kernels remove the keyboard function from the default console. kernel: 1500033  FreeBSD boots, console works as expected kernel: 1500063 FreeBSD boots, no console function in single or multi-user non-working kernel:  uname -a FreeBSD awsrestartweb.com 15.0-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 15.0-PRERELEASE #0 main-n279751-ba487345f85f-dirty: Wed Aug 20 16:48:45 EDT 2025    root@awsrestartweb.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/AUG20 arm64 uname -K -U 1500063 1500063 working kernel: uname -a FreeBSD 15dev 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #0 main-n275588-045a4c108fcf: Fri Feb 21 02:24:41 UTC 2025  root@releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/GENERIC arm64 uname -K -U 1500033 1500033 Was there a change to usbhid or ugen when CURRENT went to PRERELEASE? 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[=E2=80=A6] > Was there a change to usbhid or ugen when CURRENT went to PRERELEASE? Please have a look at: = https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D288968 There's a patch that needs to be tested by someone running Parallels. 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I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail. > Result: > > 1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate dataset, > I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to be > able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the > dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). When I > resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died with a > bad syscall. > > 2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted. > > I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, but > some still died (e.g. php_fpm). > > At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the jails > on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case someone > needs to get some info out of it. > > I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in this > regard. > > src.conf: > ---snip--- > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes > CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS > MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes > WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes > WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=yes > KERNCONF=ANDROMEDA > WITH_RETPOLINE=yes > WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=yes > WITH_RELRO=yes > WITH_BIND_NOW=yes > OPT_INIT_ALL=zero > WITH_ZEROREGS=yes > WITHOUT_CLEAN=yes > LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=no > LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=no > LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=no > LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=no > LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=no > LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=no > ---snip--- > > src-env.conf: > ---snip--- > WITH_META_MODE=yes > FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 > ---snip--- > > Bye, > Alexander. > > -- > http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF > http://www.FreeBSD.org     netchild@FreeBSD.org  : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF > > Since you are using a custom kernel, is it possible that you didn't have COMPAT_FREEBSD14? (Recently [gs]etgroups were changed, with compatibility syscalls moved to COMPAT_FREEBSD14). I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; these would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a minor terminology dispute. Thanks, Kyle Evans From nobody Thu Aug 21 21:27:05 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c7GdB5C0Fz65hmP for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (bastille.leidinger.net [89.238.82.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c7GdB1F84z4JP9; Thu, 21 Aug 2025 21:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1755811675; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Kigqjg9JGMDjC0udv2uQBBuUfX0mRorzgmndcIcLOWQ=; b=T9NAd0dU7Js03x9HGhpOZ8e6VsVd/pkV/9EypomqgHzcODEEDnaM5Ae5A/25H1ge4WV6+a /O5F0d+1GWBAFsEIyXzqlrtQ4z2ryKNIcJdECGdb1qTQHjdGyF5NY6w626tsZNQEy3Zm/C xUmklYm+wyJ83veTKmBQowtt51rIxJs7G6triDXHHei0pnxuRq1vEOoR00144+ugTF4/fr 7oq02wz6oQRttpiomqzuq1nY7y5ZwEX75f1oQ0kN9jWdpu1bI8C0Bt31p2+HytPXHcNXMU kOca13OSfKnDwGVwk64V9GG6/2W/+lKAPXYdyOZC4NgnfhZqOanLeHjHjqjkeg== Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 23:27:05 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Kyle Evans Cc: Xin LI , Current Subject: Re: Big compat issue with a recent current (zfs + syscall) In-Reply-To: References: <567997960c33b7a437a8a812b7d65379@Leidinger.net> Message-ID: Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_1146cb57f8fd47bcce5e83cf07fa4d50"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:89.238.64.0/18, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7GdB1F84z4JP9 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_1146cb57f8fd47bcce5e83cf07fa4d50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Am 2025-08-21 23:14, schrieb Kyle Evans: > On 8/21/25 11:16, Xin LI wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 6:19 AM Alexander Leidinger >> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I tried to update from -current as of 2025-08-11-154054 (CEST) to >> 2025-08-20-075320. I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail. >> Result: >> >> 1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate >> dataset, >> I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to >> be >> able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the >> dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). >> When I >> resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died >> with a >> bad syscall. >> >> 2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted. >> >> I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, >> but >> some still died (e.g. php_fpm). >> >> At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the >> jails >> on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case >> someone >> needs to get some info out of it. >> >> I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in >> this >> regard. >> >> src.conf: >> ---snip--- >> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes >> CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS >> MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes >> WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes >> WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=yes >> KERNCONF=ANDROMEDA >> WITH_RETPOLINE=yes >> WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=yes >> WITH_RELRO=yes >> WITH_BIND_NOW=yes >> OPT_INIT_ALL=zero >> WITH_ZEROREGS=yes >> WITHOUT_CLEAN=yes >> LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=no >> LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=no >> LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=no >> LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=no >> LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=no >> LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=no >> ---snip--- >> >> src-env.conf: >> ---snip--- >> WITH_META_MODE=yes >> FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 >> ---snip--- >> >> Bye, >> Alexander. >> >> -- http://www.Leidinger.net >> Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF >> http://www.FreeBSD.org     >> netchild@FreeBSD.org  : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF >> >> Since you are using a custom kernel, is it possible that you didn't >> have COMPAT_FREEBSD14? (Recently [gs]etgroups were changed, with >> compatibility syscalls moved to COMPAT_FREEBSD14). UPDATING only mentions VMM stuff for COMPAT_FREEBSD14. I give this a try tomorrow. But would this also affect the zfs dataset stuff? > I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; these > would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a minor > terminology dispute. Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke rn.sugid_coredump) Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kernel: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke rn.sugid_coredump) Aug 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke rn.sugid_coredump) Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid 52185 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke rn.sugid_coredump) Aug 20 10:35:56 Andromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke rn.sugid_coredump) Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF --=_1146cb57f8fd47bcce5e83cf07fa4d50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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I've updated the kernel and base, but no jail. >>>     Result: >>> >>>     1) Not all jails got up. For mysql I have the DB on a separate dataset, >>>     I attach the dataset to the jail (grep dataset /etc/rc.d/jail) to be >>>     able to manage it from within the jail. I got the message that the >>>     dataset is already attached (first start of the jail at boot). When I >>>     resolved this by simply not attaching the dataset, mysqld died with a >>>     bad syscall. >>> >>>     2) A lot of processes inside jails segfaulted. >>> >>>     I then updated the jails from the build. More processes came up, but >>>     some still died (e.g. php_fpm). >>> >>>     At that point I reverted all back (this emails is handled via the jails >>>     on this host). I still have the BE which causes issues, in case someone >>>     needs to get some info out of it. >>> >>>     I have not seen anything in UPDATING which suggests anything in this >>>     regard. >>> >>>     src.conf: >>>     ---snip--- >>>     WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes >>>     CFLAGS+=-DFTP_COMBINE_CWDS >>>     MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes >>>     WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes >>>     WITHOUT_LLVM_ASSERTIONS=yes >>>     KERNCONF=ANDROMEDA >>>     WITH_RETPOLINE=yes >>>     WITH_KERNEL_RETPOLINE=yes >>>     WITH_RELRO=yes >>>     WITH_BIND_NOW=yes >>>     OPT_INIT_ALL=zero >>>     WITH_ZEROREGS=yes >>>     WITHOUT_CLEAN=yes >>>     LOADER_GZIP_SUPPORT=no >>>     LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=no >>>     LOADER_BIOS_TEXTONLY=no >>>     LOADER_NFS_SUPPORT=no >>>     LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=no >>>     LOADER_CD9660_SUPPORT=no >>>     ---snip--- >>> >>>     src-env.conf: >>>     ---snip--- >>>     WITH_META_MODE=yes >>>     FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 >>>     ---snip--- >>> >>>     Bye, >>>     Alexander. >>> >>>     --     http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF >>>     http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org  : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF >>> >>> Since you are using a custom kernel, is it possible that you didn't have COMPAT_FREEBSD14?  (Recently [gs]etgroups were changed, with compatibility syscalls moved to COMPAT_FREEBSD14). > > UPDATING only mentions VMM stuff for COMPAT_FREEBSD14. I give this a try tomorrow. But would this also affect the zfs dataset stuff? > Reading your initial e-mail, I think you actually got past the main reason to need COMPAT_FREEBSD14 when you rebuilt after mysqld died with a bad syscall. I had missed that detail the first time, sorry. I don't think I'd expect it to help with zfs dataset stuff. >> I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; these would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a minor terminology dispute. > > Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > rn.sugid_coredump) > Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kernel: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > rn.sugid_coredump) > Aug 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > rn.sugid_coredump) > Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid 52185 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > rn.sugid_coredump) > Aug 20 10:35:56 Andromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > rn.sugid_coredump) > SIGABRT would seem to imply something like an assertion being tripped, which is a bit unusual. Might need to flip kern.sugid_coredump for a minute and see if you can gather some more context from a coredump. 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boundary="0000000000005b4230063ce875f2" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7KKL6qFZz3Hgm --0000000000005b4230063ce875f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 2:56=E2=80=AFPM Kyle Evans wro= te: [...] > I don't think I'd expect it to help with zfs dataset stuff. > There are also some recent ZFS changes, but I don't know (didn't have read through all changes) if there are something related. > >> I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; thes= e > would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a minor > terminology dispute. > > > > Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth), jid 50, ui= d > 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > > rn.sugid_coredump) > > Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kernel: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, ui= d > 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > > rn.sugid_coredump) > > Aug 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, ui= d > 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > > rn.sugid_coredump) > > Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid 52185 (auth), jid 50, ui= d > 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > > rn.sugid_coredump) > > Aug 20 10:35:56 Andromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, ui= d > 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke > > rn.sugid_coredump) > > > > SIGABRT would seem to imply something like an assertion being tripped, > which is a bit unusual. Might need to flip > kern.sugid_coredump for a minute and see if you can gather some more > context from a coredump. > Well, yes (it's somewhat unusual) and no (I think it's expected behavior here): It's not unusual for a program to explicitly abort() when a setgroups() call failed, though: if I was the programmer who wanted to drop privileges and failed, showing some error message and abort() as soon as possible would be a reasonable choice (IMHO) because I wouldn't have a lot of other remedies, so to me it sounded reasonable here, especially when Alexander saw some missing system calls earlier. Cheers, --0000000000005b4230063ce875f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Aug 2= 1, 2025 at 2:56=E2=80=AFPM Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> wrote:
[...]
I don't think I'd expect it to help with zfs dataset stuff.

There are also some recent ZFS changes, but I don= 't know (didn't have read through all changes) if there are somethi= ng related.
=C2=A0
>> I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me= pause; these would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a= minor terminology dispute.
>
> Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth), jid 50, u= id 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kernel: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, u= id 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, u= id 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid 52185 (auth), jid 50, u= id 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:56 Andromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, u= id 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
>

SIGABRT would seem to imply something like an assertion being tripped, whic= h is a bit unusual.=C2=A0 Might need to flip
kern.sugid_coredump for a minute and see if you can gather some more contex= t from a coredump.

Well, yes (it's somewhat = unusual) and no (I think it's expected behavior here):=C2=A0 It's n= ot unusual for a program to explicitly abort() when a setgroups() call fail= ed, though: if I was the programmer who wanted to drop privileges and faile= d, showing some error message and abort() as soon as possible would be a re= asonable choice (IMHO) because I wouldn't have a lot of other remedies,= so to me it sounded reasonable here, especially when Alexander saw some mi= ssing system calls earlier.

Cheers,
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Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_098d3a5eaab850be0c69a0e8c1a01cc2"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:89.238.64.0/18, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7Y3f5z8vz46ws This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_098d3a5eaab850be0c69a0e8c1a01cc2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_f779c2029bd0f49f00bc5f6b186fe36f" --=_f779c2029bd0f49f00bc5f6b186fe36f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Am 2025-08-22 01:29, schrieb Xin LI: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 2:56 PM Kyle Evans wrote: > [...] > >> I don't think I'd expect it to help with zfs dataset stuff. > > There are also some recent ZFS changes, but I don't know (didn't have > read through all changes) if there are something related. > >>>> I had wondered the same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; >>>> these would be SIGSYS rather than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a >>>> minor terminology dispute. >>> >>> Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth), jid 50, >>> uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by >>> ke >>> rn.sugid_coredump) >>> Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kernel: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, >>> uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by >>> ke >>> rn.sugid_coredump) >>> Aug 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, >>> uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by >>> ke >>> rn.sugid_coredump) >>> Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid 52185 (auth), jid 50, >>> uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by >>> ke >>> rn.sugid_coredump) >>> Aug 20 10:35:56 Andromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, >>> uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by >>> ke >>> rn.sugid_coredump) >>> >> >> SIGABRT would seem to imply something like an assertion being tripped, >> which is a bit unusual. Might need to flip >> kern.sugid_coredump for a minute and see if you can gather some more >> context from a coredump. > > Well, yes (it's somewhat unusual) and no (I think it's expected > behavior here): It's not unusual for a program to explicitly abort() > when a setgroups() call failed, though: if I was the programmer who > wanted to drop privileges and failed, showing some error message and > abort() as soon as possible would be a reasonable choice (IMHO) because > I wouldn't have a lot of other remedies, so to me it sounded reasonable > here, especially when Alexander saw some missing system calls earlier. COMPAT_FREEBSD14 makes a huge difference. Seems you find the issue. We should change the UPDATING part and tell to use COMPAT_FREEBSD14 until all the 3rd party stuff is updated/recompiled. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF --=_f779c2029bd0f49f00bc5f6b186fe36f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Am 2025-08-22 01:29, schrieb Xin LI:

=  

On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 2:56=E2=80= =AFPM Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> wrote:
[...]
I don't think I'd expect i= t to help with zfs dataset stuff.
 
There are also some recent ZFS changes, but I don't know (didn't have= read through all changes) if there are something related.
 
>> I had wondered th= e same, but the use of 'segfault' gave me pause; these would be SIGSYS rath= er than SIGSEGV, but that could just be a minor terminology dispute.
&= gt;
> Aug 20 10:35:32 Andromeda kernel: [566445] pid 52166 (auth),= jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied b= y ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:37 Andromeda kerne= l: [566450] pid 52172 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core = dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Au= g 20 10:35:44 Andromeda kernel: [566457] pid 52179 (auth), jid 50, uid 143:= exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn= =2Esugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:51 Andromeda kernel: [566463] pid= 52185 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on signal 6 (no core dump - sugid pr= ocess denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump)
> Aug 20 10:35:56 A= ndromeda kernel: [566469] pid 52193 (auth), jid 50, uid 143: exited on sign= al 6 (no core dump - sugid process denied by ke
> rn.sugid_coredump= )
>

SIGABRT would seem to imply something like an asser= tion being tripped, which is a bit unusual.  Might need to flip
k= ern.sugid_coredump for a minute and see if you can gather some more context= from a coredump.
 
= Well, yes (it's somewhat unusual) and no (I think it's expected behavior he= re):  It's not unusual for a program to explicitly abort() when a setg= roups() call failed, though: if I was the programmer who wanted to drop pri= vileges and failed, showing some error message and abort() as soon as possi= ble would be a reasonable choice (IMHO) because I wouldn't have a lot of ot= her remedies, so to me it sounded reasonable here, especially when Alexande= r saw some missing system calls earlier.

COMPAT_FREEBSD14 makes a huge difference. Seems you find the issue. We s= hould change the UPDATING part and tell to use COMPAT_FREEBSD14 until all t= he 3rd party stuff is updated/recompiled.

Bye,
Alexander.

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See these reviews: > > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52057 > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D52058 I also noticed that problem with rPI ARM64 images. 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It looks like either certctl rehash did not run or, more likely, it ran but failed because the output directories did not exist. I did not anticipate this as they're listed in the mtree files, but those are not used when installing packages. I'll prepare a patch to make certctl create the directories as needed. 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Fri, 22 Aug 2025 09:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <544b585b-b6b4-4748-81f5-7f7b57650741@mm.st> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 20:05:08 +0700 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: 20250515 snapshot packaged install missing /etc/zfs/ directory To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <927f37e7-da69-4ac6-b234-7588fea68118@mm.st> Content-Language: en-US From: cyric@mm.st In-Reply-To: <927f37e7-da69-4ac6-b234-7588fea68118@mm.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mm.st,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[mm.st:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.12.124.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[202.12.124.149:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[mm.st]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:151847, ipnet:202.12.124.0/24, country:AU]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[mm.st]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[mm.st:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7gQp6HWCz3lHF cyric@mm.st wrote: > After packaged installation using > FreeBSD-15.0-CURRENT-amd64-20250515-cb205f5ed808-277278-disc1.iso > snapshot, creating non-root zfs pools, and rebooting I noticed that > those pools are not imported. > > The culprit here seems to be the /etc/zfs/ directory missing after > installation, so zpool.cache is not saved. Creating it, importing the > non-root pool, and rebooting seems to fix the issue. That's still the case when installing from FreeBSD-15.0-PRERELEASE-amd64-20250819-02a8fadd2c4d-279701-disc1.iso. From nobody Fri Aug 22 13:08:47 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c7gW24KMWz65p55 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) Received: from serendipity35.net.net (serendipity35.net [167.71.244.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "serendipity35.net", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c7gW22Gfwz3mJG for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2025 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [192.168.254.154] (50-36-34-57.drr01.mybh.sc.frontiernet.net [50.36.34.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by serendipity35.net.net (8.18.1/8.18.1) with ESMTPSA id 57MD8m4D055546 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Aug 2025 09:08:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from timothyk@beachpatt.com) X-Authentication-Warning: serendipity35.net.net: Host 50-36-34-57.drr01.mybh.sc.frontiernet.net [50.36.34.57] claimed to be [192.168.254.154] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------gvHxAYNTkND0ee9gZO75jMM7" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 09:08:47 -0400 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Console keyboard disabled under Parallels To: Michael Grimm Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: TIM Beach In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:167.71.240.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c7gW22Gfwz3mJG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------gvHxAYNTkND0ee9gZO75jMM7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 8/21/25 4:28 PM, Michael Grimm wrote: > TIM Beach wrote: > >> When using Current under Parallels Desktop Pro, recent kernels remove the keyboard function from the default console. > […] > >> Was there a change to usbhid or ugen when CURRENT went to PRERELEASE? > Please have a look at:https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=288968 > > There's a patch that needs to be tested by someone running Parallels. > > Regards, > Michael > Thank you, I was going to post this as a Comment in the bug report, but my login isn't working and I'm pressed for time this morning. Reporting it here for historical purposes in case anyone else runs into it.  The code in Comment 6 in the bug report fixed the issue. Using this diff on current sources updated 12 pm UTC today and rebuilding/installing the kernel, fixed the problem: # diff -u /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c.orig /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c --- /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c.orig 2025-08-20 11:09:37.000000000 -0700 +++ /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c 2025-08-21 14:32:06.870020000 -0700 @@ -1596,8 +1596,9 @@ sc->sc_state &= ~LOCK_MASK; sc->sc_state |= *(int *)arg; - /* set LEDs and quit */ - return (hkbd_ioctl_locked(kbd, KDSETLED, arg)); + /* try to set LEDs and quit */ + (void)hkbd_ioctl_locked(kbd, KDSETLED, arg); + return (0); Thanks again, Tim --------------gvHxAYNTkND0ee9gZO75jMM7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 8/21/25 4:28 PM, Michael Grimm wrote:
TIM Beach <timothyk@beachpatt.com> wrote:


When using Current under Parallels Desktop Pro, recent kernels remove the keyboard function from the default console.

[…]


Was there a change to usbhid or ugen when CURRENT went to PRERELEASE?

Please have a look at: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=288968

There's a patch that needs to be tested by someone running Parallels.

Regards,
Michael

Thank you, I was going to post this as a Comment in the bug report, but my login isn't working and I'm pressed for time this morning.

Reporting it here for historical purposes in case anyone else runs into it.  The code in Comment 6 in the bug report fixed the issue.


Using this diff on current sources updated 12 pm UTC today and rebuilding/installing the kernel, fixed the problem:

# diff -u /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c.orig /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c
--- /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c.orig	2025-08-20 11:09:37.000000000 -0700
+++ /usr/src/sys/dev/hid/hkbd.c	2025-08-21 14:32:06.870020000 -0700
@@ -1596,8 +1596,9 @@
 		sc->sc_state &= ~LOCK_MASK;
 		sc->sc_state |= *(int *)arg;
 
-		/* set LEDs and quit */
-		return (hkbd_ioctl_locked(kbd, KDSETLED, arg));
+		/* try to set LEDs and quit */
+		(void)hkbd_ioctl_locked(kbd, KDSETLED, arg);
+		return (0);
 

Thanks again,

Tim


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Creating it, importing the >> non-root pool, and rebooting seems to fix the issue. > That's still the case when installing from > FreeBSD-15.0-PRERELEASE-amd64-20250819-02a8fadd2c4d-279701-disc1.iso. 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Fri, 22 Aug 2025 09:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 20:58:46 +0700 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: 20250515 snapshot packaged install missing /etc/zfs/ directory To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <927f37e7-da69-4ac6-b234-7588fea68118@mm.st> <544b585b-b6b4-4748-81f5-7f7b57650741@mm.st> <7311fd28-c8e9-4327-9007-df14d3223985@app.fastmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: cyric@mm.st In-Reply-To: <7311fd28-c8e9-4327-9007-df14d3223985@app.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.80)[0.800]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[mm.st,none]; 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Creating it, importing the >>> non-root pool, and rebooting seems to fix the issue. >> That's still the case when installing from >> FreeBSD-15.0-PRERELEASE-amd64-20250819-02a8fadd2c4d-279701-disc1.iso. > > Added to 15.0-ISSUES wiki https://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/15.0ISSUES Thanks, please note that this is about the pkgbase installation (sorry, the subject said "packaged" which is somewhat confusing). 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Unlike distribution tarballs, packages don't include empty directories, and the installer does not run mtree to create them like installworld does. We need to figure out the best way to do this. A postinstall script in FreeBSD-mtree might work. Or perhaps it should be done piecemeal, so FreeBSD-zfs is responsible for creating /etc/zfs, and the FreeBSD-caroot is responsible for creating /etc/ssl/certs. To me it seems logical FreeBSD-runtime should create the directory hierarchy, but FreeBSD-mtree depends on FreeBSD-runtime, so that wouldn't work, unless we merged FreeBSD-mtree into FreeBSD-runtime. 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We need to figure out the best way to do this. A postinstall > script in FreeBSD-mtree might work. Or perhaps it should be done > piecemeal, so FreeBSD-zfs is responsible for creating /etc/zfs, and the > FreeBSD-caroot is responsible for creating /etc/ssl/certs. To me it > seems logical FreeBSD-runtime should create the directory hierarchy, but > FreeBSD-mtree depends on FreeBSD-runtime, so that wouldn't work, unless > we merged FreeBSD-mtree into FreeBSD-runtime. > ISTR that just adding the package= tag in ^/etc/mtree is sufficient to actually package the empty directory. See Lexi's approach for /tmp and /dev in 6b2993e74ebaacd46bd1e438787c23450cd2752d. 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Respectively: "base system configuration files and scripts; see intro(5)" "local executables, libraries, etc, installed by pkg(7) or ports(7)" Colin's base 29f076ae0cb5 was my precedent for multiple repos in a single file, /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf As the local stuff of pkg(8) is installed (bootstrapped) by pkg(7), is the _local_ configuration file a more logical place to specify the FreeBSD-base and FreeBSD-kmods repos? /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf ---- /etc/pkg/ is documented in hier(7), however it's quirky. pkg(8) is not part of base. ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 09:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c8BZ05937z3bbk for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 09:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 57N9SJYe006787; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 18:28:19 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1755941299; bh=Rz80GVus7L+nh8u8EIwzym/bEhnQJKnJwShrSpUuyis=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=e7+1ok4/RDv4jlIFWIU3iyU897g47yE0K8hyJF1P/obhqha+0hRJ1NAkEJd3TJ5Dn /uUwuvmImF+ZIVJGz3N0kzIOOYhsDRU8yKNIamCah4FJTPRwvqjY3MjQOSF69DkTou lhm6Z84ZHdRkSnUtU0wcXM7E+8TS2/M7iJk/jyo4= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 18:28:19 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) Message-Id: <20250823182819.321d4dbca45e56f7c1f0a7aa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <5dc99111-3977-4638-8151-1f69fa819e08@gmail.com> References: <5dc99111-3977-4638-8151-1f69fa819e08@gmail.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8BZ05937z3bbk On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 08:13:47 +0100 Graham Perrin wrote: > > > > > Add "FreeBSD-base" (or maybe "FreeBSD-src") repository to > > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (cperciva) > > > > hier(7) descriptions of /etc/ and /usr/local/ are thought-provoking. > Respectively: > > "base system configuration files and scripts; see intro(5)" > > "local executables, libraries, etc, installed by pkg(7) or ports(7)" > > Colin's base 29f076ae0cb5 was my precedent for multiple repos in a > single file, > > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf > > As the local stuff of pkg(8) is installed (bootstrapped) by pkg(7), is > the _local_ configuration file a more logical place to specify the > FreeBSD-base and FreeBSD-kmods repos? 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grahamperrin]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::432:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8D9J4kckz3kJY On 23/08/2025 10:28, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > … /etc/pkg is described as "default configuration for the package > manager, pkg(8)". Indeed, and pkg(8) is _not_ base, so what's described is not consistent with /etc/ for base system software configuration files. A single repo e.g. FreeBSD-ports in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is used by pkg (7, not 8) for bootstrap. Then: - /etc/pkg.conf does not exist - /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf is explicitly the system-wide configuration file for pkg(8). So, I might expect /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf to be the system-wide FreeBSD repository configuration file for pkg(8). REPOS_DIR does have the default list of two directories to search. When I first saw pkgbasify write a FreeBSD-base configuration to /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ I thought that the path was, somehow, unexpected. After looking at intro(5) and hier(7), /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ seems proper (a change of mind). for pkgbasify in base – without pkg(8) in base – will probably change my mind, again. From nobody Sat Aug 23 12:38:30 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c8GnS3Hh9z65rWZ for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 12:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c8GnR5nSvz3wxW for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 12:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 57NCcU9N041799; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:38:31 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1755952711; bh=+/K/aHe4LyNmBpAblSDSiriLYYNSvJBodjv3LD4rp4w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=RSzcB+8SkfAVo3/HcfYpl6S//KQdyETl1EXWHg2XfH0VYeRVrUmomDCd+728sSNEO 3PT06WSi3YTJbWSOaHP/TlqT9jnzhWX5S1xUtMdQuynhhM49aLNhw39i9TjmlIzMlj 0+LNcSoBLhoSFzBhRdt5+B6+fZs+4faTYVKqlM3I= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:38:30 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) Message-Id: <20250823213830.310f51c1c7d241dc3bc81963@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <93fa8633-3497-46db-9821-d5e57fd45ca8@gmail.com> References: <5dc99111-3977-4638-8151-1f69fa819e08@gmail.com> <20250823182819.321d4dbca45e56f7c1f0a7aa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <93fa8633-3497-46db-9821-d5e57fd45ca8@gmail.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8GnR5nSvz3wxW On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:40:27 +0100 Graham Perrin wrote: > On 23/08/2025 10:28, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > $B!D(B /etc/pkg is described as "default configuration for the package > > manager, pkg(8)". > > > Indeed, and pkg(8) is _not_ base, so what's described is not consistent > with /etc/ for base system software configuration files. > > > > A single repo e.g. FreeBSD-ports in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is used by pkg > (7, not 8) for bootstrap. > > Then: > > - /etc/pkg.conf does not exist > > - /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf is explicitly the system-wide configuration > file for pkg(8). > > So, I might expect /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf to be the > system-wide$B".(BFreeBSD repository configuration file for pkg(8). > > > REPOS_DIR does have the default list of two directories to search. > > When I first saw pkgbasify write a FreeBSD-base configuration to > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ I thought that the path was, somehow, unexpected. I think it should be a fatal mistake and should be in under /etc, not under /usr/local/etc. If it is still as such, it should be fixed before any release primarily use PkgBase for installs/updates. Maybe at 15.0? > After looking at intro(5) and hier(7), /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ seems > proper (a change of mind). Again, I think /usr/local/etc/pkg should be the place for local ones, anything not updated on PkgBase, bsdinstall nor freebsd-update. Anything possibly updated by them should be in under /etc. What allowed to be created and/or edited by admins in /etc should better limited to anything essential for boot. fstab, rc.conf, firewall configs and so on that any of boot process (including rc scripts in /etc/rc.conf.d) requires. > for pkgbasify in base $B".(B without > pkg(8) in base $B".(B will probably change my mind, again. I think pkg is quite irregular corner case. Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed up". So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping. If pkg is NOT an irregular corner case, why ALL ports are NOT forced to have corresponding bootstraps in base? And IMHO, PkgBase SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED unless pkg is considered as the part of base, even though actual part is "currently" placed in ports tree. "PkgBase is coming to true.", I believe this is why configs for pkg is placed under /etc, not /usr/local/etc. -- Tomoaki AOKI From nobody Sat Aug 23 13:04:05 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c8HLy41Jrz65svH for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c8HLy2Xdmz42X3; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755954250; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Jzbmat+OWOr6o37C7moYmWIdfc2tNlYRjHnEQGGz494=; b=TwplPeqLJRn3D1w22eIMIZ15FTqsQbvXVVDnEFIuA14IQjKSCukVDp7+gCbJhVesYv/MQN s1UY3g5cYCg1NAIsP8fsA4ysA016tPGdPLZ/OYU3a6AbXOiPSpTNaC57QjIM5PxvZ16I9w /fKmjexI7dRNqVkuikMSeLcqA8GiLFEGY2BW9uJ+41NzsCNNxauFEUK3BdUEBvvVLQ1bT6 oB95YhQllBnBH7ZO4xT61PAA18xth8jUMAtC3ZSU81JKDEvzu2U/QA0Cu7wP2Fa5+UNrnu kyRjX7Qwl0PQ2xNQAbCKjfa3Idpb9Tf8frNtV/DvAM4vstwyPiwvjRU2FM0+Ng== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1755954250; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Jzbmat+OWOr6o37C7moYmWIdfc2tNlYRjHnEQGGz494=; b=FlOdixcG5wd91oM/A9fjzmq0dPKfnOBpPSxWIsH1SWsrF0XSYM3TGVVoLnHrkzdiw00XSR nGaIOI1s22QisKZMl4qQ1SAnrlYB8kySWr9E1y2U52tj1ppEBklzKVawnTY/+Ky+2ybBIi EnpRz6r29Nmjdn1humthDZhV5K6x0DfiqwpaSiIbfvMO/S9AKQT6+quiSRLLBkm7ZvN2uk ePlDGWP4Hd/WIsGtU17lkc+TEIlcEEyqvfG2nMTmAV2SG8VhoEp/bHj340lxEBaL0Lb/yv wMcRGn9LXXo3G1bkgEger/eQI2GoqTnrgl9wrbTZexY8vTlDiPGGxKjEWp+hQg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1755954250; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=PQVtXnKMW8BuCixb3wQtRqAgW1npg89PeBXZQE85hzvWF2aixdWHHCz1u+73o4vocaSlUa KPZrLQf6hdRhKRJym3Trhno9t5mIsyOZEVuEFEyUP5IhNKBLMm2Mqfd7BezYuo4LUOVD8n Oeb+i84uH5OjR2aaEjd1Wm75E6kIIA+LRCEq69nnAmDiVrAs3h5QrBLZcYllK3rjp6mCcf iYigbb/BpZ4RBmsusiZMZ52QMNpUvzm9wSSrbdD6OLhGwJ/gTsZPfDwoF+l2gcdZbzJunt a/l5caIvjY/fh53NjcwBxeWlAGJzMeTXYJeUtI5TjTJEMSP7trVIxH6U2bWiAw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grembo/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c8HLx5QGjz7Ng; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 3035e1e6 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) From: Michael Gmelin In-Reply-To: <20250823213830.310f51c1c7d241dc3bc81963@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:04:05 +0200 Cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: <20250823213830.310f51c1c7d241dc3bc81963@dec.sakura.ne.jp> To: Tomoaki AOKI X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20H360) > On 23. Aug 2025, at 14:39, Tomoaki AOKI wrote:= >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:40:27 +0100 > Graham Perrin wrote: >=20 >>> On 23/08/2025 10:28, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: >>> =E2=80=A6 /etc/pkg is described as "default configuration for the packag= e >>> manager, pkg(8)". >>=20 >>=20 >> Indeed, and pkg(8) is _not_ base, so what's described is not consistent=20= >> with /etc/ for base system software configuration files. >>=20 >> >>=20 >> A single repo e.g. FreeBSD-ports in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is used by pkg=20= >> (7, not 8) for bootstrap. >>=20 >> Then: >>=20 >> - /etc/pkg.conf does not exist >>=20 >> - /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf is explicitly the system-wide configuration=20 >> file for pkg(8). >>=20 >> So, I might expect /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf to be the=20 >> system-wide=E3=80=93FreeBSD repository configuration file for pkg(8). >>=20 >> =20 >> REPOS_DIR does have the default list of two directories to search. >>=20 >> When I first saw pkgbasify write a FreeBSD-base configuration to=20 >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ I thought that the path was, somehow, unexpecte= d. >=20 > I think it should be a fatal mistake and should be in under /etc, > not under /usr/local/etc. If it is still as such, it should be fixed > before any release primarily use PkgBase for installs/updates. > Maybe at 15.0? >=20 >=20 >> After looking at intro(5) and hier(7), /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ seems=20= >> proper (a change of mind). >=20 > Again, I think /usr/local/etc/pkg should be the place for > local ones, anything not updated on PkgBase, bsdinstall nor > freebsd-update. Anything possibly updated by them should be in > under /etc. >=20 > What allowed to be created and/or edited by admins in /etc > should better limited to anything essential for boot. > fstab, rc.conf, firewall configs and so on that any of boot process > (including rc scripts in /etc/rc.conf.d) requires. >=20 >=20 >> for pkgbasify in base =E3=80=93 with= out=20 >> pkg(8) in base =E3=80=93 will probably change my mind, again. >=20 > I think pkg is quite irregular corner case. > Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active > developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed up". > So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping. >=20 > If pkg is NOT an irregular corner case, why ALL ports are NOT forced > to have corresponding bootstraps in base? >=20 > And IMHO, PkgBase SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED unless pkg is considered > as the part of base, even though actual part is "currently" placed > in ports tree. >=20 > "PkgBase is coming to true.", I believe this is why configs for pkg > is placed under /etc, not /usr/local/etc. >=20 > --=20 > Tomoaki AOKI >=20 In an ideal world, pkg would be in base, its default config would be /etc/de= faults/pkg.conf, users could override in /etc/pkg.conf and/or /etc/pkg.d/*.c= onf But there=E2=80=99s history and making progress sometimes comes with comprom= ises. -m From nobody Sat Aug 23 13:38:19 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c8J6S2rSNz65wBj for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c8J6R51LRz460c; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 57NDcKhP052769; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:38:20 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1755956300; bh=U/u4IiTiBG/PdSE3ok9fh2V25diJw6SIV+OYH1houqo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=BNJQWIqfwf5Oh1JmdTpVe+UVpOvuEUgJ0XxGGiM3n+OADlcBq5wR4LuwiOO39TAVn xnpsf/YfA1D29R2A5+0iOVJiD69UveNAQlv79ZwzNErUets8f0CMkd3tIkaA8/bHxr 0sltnQWi2Wl2B8Pi5If1ND+M1aFys94q0PfRFfwk= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:38:19 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Michael Gmelin Cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) Message-Id: <20250823223819.770855ed793c34221e2bb12c@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <20250823213830.310f51c1c7d241dc3bc81963@dec.sakura.ne.jp> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8J6R51LRz460c On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 15:04:05 +0200 Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > > On 23. Aug 2025, at 14:39, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > > > > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 11:40:27 +0100 > > Graham Perrin wrote: > > > >>> On 23/08/2025 10:28, Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > >>> … /etc/pkg is described as "default configuration for the package > >>> manager, pkg(8)". > >> > >> > >> Indeed, and pkg(8) is _not_ base, so what's described is not consistent > >> with /etc/ for base system software configuration files. > >> > >> > >> > >> A single repo e.g. FreeBSD-ports in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf is used by pkg > >> (7, not 8) for bootstrap. > >> > >> Then: > >> > >> - /etc/pkg.conf does not exist > >> > >> - /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf is explicitly the system-wide configuration > >> file for pkg(8). > >> > >> So, I might expect /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf to be the > >> system-wide〓FreeBSD repository configuration file for pkg(8). > >> > >> > >> REPOS_DIR does have the default list of two directories to search. > >> > >> When I first saw pkgbasify write a FreeBSD-base configuration to > >> /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ I thought that the path was, somehow, unexpected. > > > > I think it should be a fatal mistake and should be in under /etc, > > not under /usr/local/etc. If it is still as such, it should be fixed > > before any release primarily use PkgBase for installs/updates. > > Maybe at 15.0? > > > > > >> After looking at intro(5) and hier(7), /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/ seems > >> proper (a change of mind). > > > > Again, I think /usr/local/etc/pkg should be the place for > > local ones, anything not updated on PkgBase, bsdinstall nor > > freebsd-update. Anything possibly updated by them should be in > > under /etc. > > > > What allowed to be created and/or edited by admins in /etc > > should better limited to anything essential for boot. > > fstab, rc.conf, firewall configs and so on that any of boot process > > (including rc scripts in /etc/rc.conf.d) requires. > > > > > >> for pkgbasify in base 〓 without > >> pkg(8) in base 〓 will probably change my mind, again. > > > > I think pkg is quite irregular corner case. > > Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active > > developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed up". > > So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping. > > > > If pkg is NOT an irregular corner case, why ALL ports are NOT forced > > to have corresponding bootstraps in base? > > > > And IMHO, PkgBase SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED unless pkg is considered > > as the part of base, even though actual part is "currently" placed > > in ports tree. > > > > "PkgBase is coming to true.", I believe this is why configs for pkg > > is placed under /etc, not /usr/local/etc. > > > > -- > > Tomoaki AOKI > > > > In an ideal world, pkg would be in base, its default config would be /etc/defaults/pkg.conf, users could override in /etc/pkg.conf and/or /etc/pkg.d/*.conf > > But there’s history and making progress sometimes comes with compromises. > > -m IMHO, actual (non-bootstrap) pkg is in ports because it's still under more active developement than others in base. And as in some cases, users of *-Release wants latest instead of quarterly (OTOH, there seem to be some want to use quarterly on stable or main, usually forced to do so as of device compatibilities), if placing defaults under /etc/defaults/, it would be better placing all 3 templates in /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg/ (latest, quarterly, quarterly-release) under /etc/defaults/pkg/ and symlink (or copy) to default one as /etc/FreeBSD.conf. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d4b0d85df10696c1e2be160bbb7ba0e8; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 13:39:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: RE: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) Message-Id: <40B4234B-F064-4C88-8170-C7AE493537A0@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 06:38:53 -0700 To: Graham Perrin , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <40B4234B-F064-4C88-8170-C7AE493537A0.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.66.146:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.66.146:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8J7N0cF1z471J Graham Perrin wrote on Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 07:13:47 UTC : > >=20 >=20 > > Add "FreeBSD-base" (or maybe "FreeBSD-src") repository to=20 > > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (cperciva) > > >=20 > hier(7) descriptions of /etc/ and /usr/local/ are thought-provoking.=20= > Respectively: >=20 > "base system configuration files and scripts; see intro(5)" >=20 > "local executables, libraries, etc, installed by pkg(7) or ports(7)" >=20 > Colin's base 29f076ae0cb5 was my precedent for multiple repos in a=20 > single file, >=20 > /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf >=20 > As the local stuff of pkg(8) is installed (bootstrapped) by pkg(7), is=20= > the _local_ configuration file a more logical place to specify the=20 > FreeBSD-base and FreeBSD-kmods repos? >=20 > /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf >=20 > ---- >=20 > /etc/pkg/ is documented in hier(7), however it's quirky. pkg(8) is not=20= > part of base. The bootstrap pkg is part of base and likely uses the /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf for at least some contexts of use --and should not require access to /usr/local/etc/ (which may not exist or be mounted at the time). In other words: overall, the FreeBSD pkg infrastructure is split across both base and ports. Its file placement reflects that split. At least that is my understanding of the context. > = >=20 > = >=20 > = List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86tt1zilpy.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <86plcnil2d.fsf@ltc.des.dev> In-Reply-To: <86plcnil2d.fsf@ltc.des.dev> From: Chuck Tuffli Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2025 09:34:15 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXw2HNPSmhIRwdhdyi2-6CQf3XyG8RkEwtqt_KB0RNBAyCvTopA5wwpFwJo Message-ID: Subject: Re: certificate verification failures during pkg bootstrapping on a 15-PRERELEASE PKGBASE installation To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Cc: polyduekes@proton.me, "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.865]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[chuck@freebsd.org,ctuffli@gmail.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.23)[-0.230]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[209.85.215.182:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[chuck@freebsd.org,ctuffli@gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.215.182:from,209.85.216.43:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8N1c4qNVz3RL0 On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 5:43=E2=80=AFAM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > polyduekes@proton.me writes: > > > i grabbed the latest iso image snapshots of both bootonly and disc1 o= f > > > 15-PRELEASE [...] ;) upon doing pkgbase installation using the > > > "packages (experimental)" from the "select installation type" window, > > > pkg bootstrapping and installation falls with [...] > > Certificate verification failed because your clock was not set > > My apologies, I assumed you were talking about the installer itself, but > I see what you mean now. It looks like either certctl rehash did not > run or, more likely, it ran but failed because the output directories > did not exist. I did not anticipate this as they're listed in the mtree > files, but those are not used when installing packages. I'll prepare a > patch to make certctl create the directories as needed. In the > meantime, you can run: > > mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / > certctl rehash This allowed me to run pkg after a fresh install with yesterday's snapshot ISO. 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I don't know where you got that idea. It's in ports because it's closely tied to the ports tree and has a different lifecycle than base. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Sat Aug 23 22:37:39 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4c8X4s4mJDz64YfG for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c8X4r6tzQz42kF; Sat, 23 Aug 2025 22:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 57NMbdUo049295; Sun, 24 Aug 2025 07:37:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1755988660; bh=L7XEr+CZZZ4JxcnpPR15ICAIDK4IRY4VeGUoTG/4XDQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=IQbJ0M813usGDWz1pr7kLPDYx1r9ImoaqsRuS6M3IFYraqW55Uk+ocX1CdRXhRDmF 6EsCwRdu65QoKFZQ6JxhTU0Y1thH0eKCTsA9rNYTx/hKQ9532q4Ohp6rGjuFOoiPVL vjCoZnTgRQSAJOqlGquitPKUjiby5fVdv2+D/D2o= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2025 07:37:39 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Dag-Erling =?UTF-8?B?U23DuHJncmF2?= Cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf and /usr/local/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf (not repo names) Message-Id: <20250824073739.972b831b3278ff7e8f2f5bed@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <86jz2uvtt2.fsf@ltc.des.dev> References: <5dc99111-3977-4638-8151-1f69fa819e08@gmail.com> <20250823182819.321d4dbca45e56f7c1f0a7aa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <93fa8633-3497-46db-9821-d5e57fd45ca8@gmail.com> <20250823213830.310f51c1c7d241dc3bc81963@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <86jz2uvtt2.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.3) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8X4r6tzQz42kF On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 19:20:25 +0200 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Tomoaki AOKI writes: > > I think pkg is quite irregular corner case. > > Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active > > developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed up". > > So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping. > > I don't know where you got that idea. It's in ports because it's > closely tied to the ports tree and has a different lifecycle than base. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@FreeBSD.org I think you're right "until PkgBase is just under test". But now commits related with PkgBase is actively (than before) even on non-main branches like stable/14. An example below. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?h=stable/14&id=d149be3a0cbe27599921b0952bd8de18413fceaf So it should be considered to be tied with base, too. The situation is already changed. This is my thought that made me to the conclusion. 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Zeeb" To: current@Freebsd.org Subject: No longer single-user on unclean fs? Message-ID: X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[zabbadoz.net,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zabbadoz.net:s=20240622]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2003:a:140a:2200:6:594:fffe:19]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:2003::/19, country:DE]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[current@Freebsd.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zabbadoz.net:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8xGL1Z6nz3VPC Hi, I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for /bin/sh from init ... ... isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices atkbdc: atkbdc0 already exists; skipping it atrtc: atrtc0 already exists; skipping it attimer: attimer0 already exists; skipping it sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices sc0 failed to probe on isa0 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3bb iomem 0xb0000-0xb7fff pnpid PNP0900 on isa0 pcib0: allocated type 4 (0x3b0-0x3bb) for rid 0 of vga0 isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices Device configuration finished. procfs registered Statistical TSC calibration took 18310 us and 4437 data points Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1895998951 Hz quality 1000 Statistical lapic calibration took 11276 us and 699 data points lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 67108868 Hz Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec lo0: bpf attached vlan: initialized, using hash tables with chaining IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. tcp_init: net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize auto tuned to 131072 usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass ahcich0: AHCI reset... pci0: driver added found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x2725, revid=0x1a domain=0, bus=0, slot=5, func=0 class=02-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x0007, statreg=0x0010, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) powerspec 3 supports D0 D3 current D0 MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit MSI-X supports 16 messages in map 0x10 pci0:0:5:0: reprobing on driver added ahcich0: SATA connect time=0us status=00000133 ahcich0: AHCI reset: device found ahcich0: AHCI reset: device ready after 0ms ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number BHYVE-DEEE-91F5-8E77 ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 16384MB (33554432 512 byte sectors) pass0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 pass0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device pass0: Serial Number BHYVE-GEOM: new disk ada0 DEEE-91F5-8E77 pass0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) pass0: Command Queueing enabled Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]... WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. WARNING: / was not properly dismounted WARNING: /: mount pending error: blocks 177952 files 3815 efirtc0: providing initial system time Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary start_init: trying /sbin/init FreeBSD/amd64 (Amnesiac) (ttyu0) login: -- Bjoern A. 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To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Cc: current@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a5c90c063d1d7e8e" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8xYq4Mk1z3bgc --000000000000a5c90c063d1d7e8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 24, 2025 at 8:32=E2=80=AFAM Bjoern A. Zeeb < bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote: > Hi, > > I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; > starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for > /bin/sh from init ... > There's two issues. First, /etc/rc output only goes to the primary console. It wouldn't have prompted you or shown you a single user shell here anyway. Second, we've never dropped to single user mode solely for unclean shutdown. Only for filesystems that couldn't be fixed. These could be fixed with fsck, so no single user. Unclean shutdown only prevents read-write mounting of a filesystem. It's cleared when the filesystem checks out a good with fsck (or fsck is able to fix safe to fix things). You'll only drop to single user if fsck can't fix it in 'preen' mode. Warner > > ... > isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices > atkbdc: atkbdc0 already exists; skipping it > atrtc: atrtc0 already exists; skipping it > attimer: attimer0 already exists; skipping it > sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it > isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices > sc0 failed to probe on isa0 > vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3bb iomem 0xb0000-0xb7fff pnpid > PNP0900 on isa0 > pcib0: allocated type 4 (0x3b0-0x3bb) for rid 0 of vga0 > isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices > Device configuration finished. > procfs registered > Statistical TSC calibration took 18310 us and 4437 data points > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1895998951 Hz quality 1000 > Statistical lapic calibration took 11276 us and 699 data points > lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 67108868 Hz > Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec > lo0: bpf attached > vlan: initialized, using hash tables with chaining > IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. > tcp_init: net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize auto tuned to 131072 > usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass > ahcich0: AHCI reset... > pci0: driver added > found-> vendor=3D0x8086, dev=3D0x2725, revid=3D0x1a > domain=3D0, bus=3D0, slot=3D5, func=3D0 > class=3D02-80-00, hdrtype=3D0x00, mfdev=3D0 > cmdreg=3D0x0007, statreg=3D0x0010, cachelnsz=3D0 (dwords) > lattimer=3D0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=3D0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=3D0x00 (0 n= s) > powerspec 3 supports D0 D3 current D0 > MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit > MSI-X supports 16 messages in map 0x10 > pci0:0:5:0: reprobing on driver added > ahcich0: SATA connect time=3D0us status=3D00000133 > ahcich0: AHCI reset: device found > ahcich0: AHCI reset: device ready after 0ms > ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > ada0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device > ada0: Serial Number BHYVE-DEEE-91F5-8E77 > ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > ada0: Command Queueing enabled > ada0: 16384MB (33554432 512 byte sectors) > pass0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > pass0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device > pass0: Serial Number BHYVE-GEOM: new disk ada0 > DEEE-91F5-8E77 > pass0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > pass0: Command Queueing enabled > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]... > WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > WARNING: /: mount pending error: blocks 177952 files 3815 > efirtc0: providing initial system time > Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary > start_init: trying /sbin/init > > FreeBSD/amd64 (Amnesiac) (ttyu0) > > login: > > > -- > Bjoern A. 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On Sun, Aug 24,= 2025 at 8:32=E2=80=AFAM Bjoern A. Zeeb <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,

I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for
/bin/sh from init ...


Th= ere's two issues. First, /etc/rc output only goes to the primary consol= e. It wouldn't have prompted you or shown you a single user shell here = anyway.

Second, we've never dropped to single = user mode solely for unclean shutdown. Only for filesystems=C2=A0that could= n't be fixed. These could be fixed with fsck, so no single user. Unclea= n shutdown only prevents read-write mounting of a filesystem. It's clea= red when the filesystem checks out a good=C2=A0with fsck (or fsck is able t= o fix safe to fix things). You'll only drop to single user if fsck can&= #39;t fix it in 'preen' mode.

Warner
=
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...
isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices
atkbdc: atkbdc0 already exists; skipping it
atrtc: atrtc0 already exists; skipping it
attimer: attimer0 already exists; skipping it
sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it
isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices
sc0 failed to probe on isa0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3b0-0x3bb iomem 0xb0000-0xb7fff pnp= id PNP0900 on isa0
pcib0: allocated type 4 (0x3b0-0x3bb) for rid 0 of vga0
isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices
Device configuration finished.
procfs registered
Statistical TSC calibration took 18310 us and 4437 data points
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1895998951 Hz quality 1000
Statistical lapic calibration took 11276 us and 699 data points
lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 67108868 Hz
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
lo0: bpf attached
vlan: initialized, using hash tables with chaining
IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
tcp_init: net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize auto tuned to 131072
usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass
ahcich0: AHCI reset...
pci0: driver added
found-> vendor=3D0x8086, dev=3D0x2725, revid=3D0x1a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0domain=3D0, bus=3D0, slot=3D5, func=3D0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0class=3D02-80-00, hdrtype=3D0x00, mfdev= =3D0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cmdreg=3D0x0007, statreg=3D0x0010, cachel= nsz=3D0 (dwords)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0lattimer=3D0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=3D0x00 (0 = ns), maxlat=3D0x00 (0 ns)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0powerspec 3=C2=A0 supports D0 D3=C2=A0 cu= rrent D0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MSI-X supports 16 messages in map 0x10 pci0:0:5:0: reprobing on driver added
ahcich0: SATA connect time=3D0us status=3D00000133
ahcich0: AHCI reset: device found
ahcich0: AHCI reset: device ready after 0ms
ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
ada0: <BHYVE SATA DISK 001> ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device
ada0: Serial Number BHYVE-DEEE-91F5-8E77
ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
ada0: Command Queueing enabled
ada0: 16384MB (33554432 512 byte sectors)
pass0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
pass0: <BHYVE SATA DISK 001> ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device
pass0: Serial Number BHYVE-GEOM: new disk ada0
DEEE-91F5-8E77
pass0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
pass0: Command Queueing enabled
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]...
WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance.
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
WARNING: /: mount pending error: blocks 177952 files 3815
efirtc0: providing initial system time
Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary
start_init: trying /sbin/init

FreeBSD/amd64 (Amnesiac) (ttyu0)

login:


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Please suggest a better-suited > mailing list if there is one better, thanks) I thought they'd finally landed the pull request that made this required. A trivial rust program would tell you since the holdup was integrating the ino64 system calls and that touched everything. Warner --000000000000903d68063d1da76a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Aug 24,= 2025 at 8:52=E2=80=AFAM void <void@f-m.f= m> wrote:
A while ago there was this thread:

https://lists.freebsd.org= /archives/freebsd-riscv/2024-September/000382.html

is COMPAT_FREEBSD11 still needed in riscv64 on 15-PRERELEASE ?

(not too sure where to ask about this. Please suggest a better-suited
mailing list if there is one better, thanks)

I thought they'd finally landed the pull request that made this requi= red. A trivial rust program would tell=C2=A0you since the holdup was integr= ating the ino64 system calls and that touched everything.

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Zeeb" To: Warner Losh cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No longer single-user on unclean fs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1098556516-1408938364-1756047817=:4619" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3320, ipnet:2003::/19, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c8xyR2lcWz3glj This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1098556516-1408938364-1756047817=:4619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2025 at 8:32 AM Bjoern A. Zeeb < > bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; >> starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for >> /bin/sh from init ... >> > > > There's two issues. First, /etc/rc output only goes to the primary console. > It wouldn't have prompted you or shown you a single user shell here anyway. This was on the primary (serial) console. On a clean shutdown I do see the rc output here and did again so after stopping bhyve, umounting, starting bhyve again. > Second, we've never dropped to single user mode solely for unclean > shutdown. Only for filesystems that couldn't be fixed. These could be fixed > with fsck, so no single user. > > Unclean shutdown only prevents read-write > mounting of a filesystem. It's cleared when the filesystem checks out a > good with fsck (or fsck is able to fix safe to fix things). You'll only > drop to single user if fsck can't fix it in 'preen' mode. Is your behaviour described by background fsck on or a ZFS thing? I've gone through this certainly 15 times this year before and every time I got the prompt to /bin/sh so I could run fsck myself. And the same applied for about the past 3-4 years. I just shutdown bhyve again, made a copy of the FS image, and mounted the original, and then started bhyve again and this time it worked as I would expect it; the only difference to the one before is that I had just done a full installworld/installkernel, while now it was a clean shutdown before and the r/w mount to make it "dirsty": ... pass0: Command Queueing enabled GEOM: new disk ada0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]... WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. WARNING: / was not properly dismounted efirtc0: providing initial system time Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary start_init: trying /sbin/init Setting hostuuid: bb5124b5-ee6c-9a36-8f93-dc96714d32c4. Setting hostid: 0xb390e5ed. Starting file system checks: mount: /dev/ada0p4: R/W mount of / denied. Filesystem is not clean - run fsck. Forced mount will invalidate journal contents: Operation not permitted Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted ERROR: ABORTING BOOT (sending SIGTERM to parent)! 2025-08-24T14:59:43.859965+00:00 - init 1 - - /bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user mode Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: Whatever happend before is not what should have... which concerns me... -- Bjoern A. 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Zeeb wrote: > … > Starting file system checks: > mount: /dev/ada0p4: R/W mount of / denied. Filesystem is not clean - > run fsck. Forced mount will invalidate journal contents: Operation not > permitted > Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted > ERROR: ABORTING BOOT (sending SIGTERM to parent)! > … If you have not already seen it, tunefs(8) option -j --------------tEL3DgPU1yel9Tgm0wc1kFci Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 24/08/2025 16:03, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote:
…
Starting file system checks:
mount: /dev/ada0p4: R/W mount of / denied. Filesystem is not clean - run fsck. Forced mount will invalidate journal contents: Operation not permitted
Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
ERROR: ABORTING BOOT (sending SIGTERM to parent)!
…


If you have not already seen it, tunefs(8) option -j

<https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tunefs&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-release>

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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c94DX5gR9z3GWL --0000000000004ae801063d21b19a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 10:20=E2=80=AFAM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Tomoaki AOKI writes: > > I think pkg is quite irregular corner case. > > Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active > > developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed up". > > So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping. > > I don't know where you got that idea. It's in ports because it's > closely tied to the ports tree and has a different lifecycle than base. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org > My distinct recollection is that bapt posted that because pkg was under very active development and needed to be consistent for all versions of base, the bootstrap mechanism would be used until pkg was stable and the db would not be reconfigured. (I assume that this meant incompatible changes to the schema.) My strong belief is that pkg needs to always be bootstrapped as it is unlikely to never be that stable. --=20 Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --0000000000004ae801063d21b19a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 10:20= =E2=80=AFAM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@freebsd.org> wrote:
Tomoaki = AOKI <jun= choon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> writes:
> I think pkg is quite irregular corner case.
> Indeed, it SHALL be the part of base, but as it is still under active<= br> > developement, need to be in ports "until the spec prolerly fixed = up".
> So exists /usr/sbin/pkg for bootstrapping.

I don't know where you got that idea.=C2=A0 It's in ports because i= t's
closely tied to the ports tree and has a different lifecycle than base.

DES
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My strong belief=C2=A0is that pkg needs to always be bootstrapped as i= t is unlikely to never be that stable.
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I get a couple of them regularly. One looks like a VFS issue and the other one may be related, though it is tied to autofs, which I use rather frequently. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 --0000000000000ceb2a063d2212b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there still a place to check on and repo= rt lock order reversals on main? I get a couple of them regularly. One look= s like a VFS issue and the other=C2=A0one may be related, though it is tied= to autofs, which I use rather frequently.
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To: polyduekes@proton.me Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f050c7063d249f1a" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4c98tp4MPFz3hKK --000000000000f050c7063d249f1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 24, 2025, 10:37=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 24th, 2025 at 2:46 PM, Warner Losh > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2025 at 8:32=E2=80=AFAM Bjoern A. Zeeb < > bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; >> starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for >> /bin/sh from init ... >> > > > There's two issues. First, /etc/rc output only goes to the primary > console. It wouldn't have prompted you or shown you a single user shell > here anyway. > > Second, we've never dropped to single user mode solely for unclean > shutdown. Only for filesystems that couldn't be fixed. These could be fix= ed > with fsck, so no single user. > > i agree with bz, there have been numerous times where i was dropped to > single user for unclean shutdown which could be fixed with fsck > > I've had thousands of panics recover by the automatic fsck -p we do. The very definition of and unclean shutdown. About 1% fail to do so and throw me into single user to fix. Which I do with fsck -y... So the unclean message by itself does not necessarily mean single user. It can, but often doesn't The weirder thing is his no output thing... Warner Unclean shutdown only prevents read-write mounting of a filesystem. It's > cleared when the filesystem checks out a good with fsck (or fsck is able = to > fix safe to fix things). You'll only drop to single user if fsck can't fi= x > it in 'preen' mode. > > Warner > >> >> ... >> isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices >> atkbdc: atkbdc0 already exists; skipping it >> atrtc: atrtc0 already exists; skipping it >> attimer: attimer0 already exists; skipping it >> sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it >> isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices >> sc0 failed to probe on isa0 >> vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3bb iomem 0xb0000-0xb7fff pnpid >> PNP0900 on isa0 >> pcib0: allocated type 4 (0x3b0-0x3bb) for rid 0 of vga0 >> isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices >> Device configuration finished. >> procfs registered >> Statistical TSC calibration took 18310 us and 4437 data points >> Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1895998951 Hz quality 1000 >> Statistical lapic calibration took 11276 us and 699 data points >> lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 67108868 Hz >> Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec >> lo0: bpf attached >> vlan: initialized, using hash tables with chaining >> IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. >> tcp_init: net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize auto tuned to 131072 >> usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass >> ahcich0: AHCI reset... >> pci0: driver added >> found-> vendor=3D0x8086, dev=3D0x2725, revid=3D0x1a >> domain=3D0, bus=3D0, slot=3D5, func=3D0 >> class=3D02-80-00, hdrtype=3D0x00, mfdev=3D0 >> cmdreg=3D0x0007, statreg=3D0x0010, cachelnsz=3D0 (dwords) >> lattimer=3D0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=3D0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=3D0x00 (0 ns) >> powerspec 3 supports D0 D3 current D0 >> MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit >> MSI-X supports 16 messages in map 0x10 >> pci0:0:5:0: reprobing on driver added >> ahcich0: SATA connect time=3D0us status=3D00000133 >> ahcich0: AHCI reset: device found >> ahcich0: AHCI reset: device ready after 0ms >> ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 >> ada0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device >> ada0: Serial Number BHYVE-DEEE-91F5-8E77 >> ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >> ada0: Command Queueing enabled >> ada0: 16384MB (33554432 512 byte sectors) >> pass0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 >> pass0: ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device >> pass0: Serial Number BHYVE-GEOM: new disk ada0 >> DEEE-91F5-8E77 >> pass0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >> pass0: Command Queueing enabled >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]... >> WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. >> WARNING: / was not properly dismounted >> WARNING: /: mount pending error: blocks 177952 files 3815 >> efirtc0: providing initial system time >> Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary >> start_init: trying /sbin/init >> >> FreeBSD/amd64 (Amnesiac) (ttyu0) >> >> login: >> >> >> -- >> Bjoern A. Zeeb r15:7 >> >> > --000000000000f050c7063d249f1a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Aug 24, 2025, 10:37=E2=80=AFAM <<= a href=3D"mailto:polyduekes@proton.me" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"= >polyduekes@proton.me> wrote:

On Sunday, August 24th, 2025 at 2:46 PM, Warner Losh <imp= @bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Sun, Aug 24, 2025 at 8= :32=E2=80=AFAM Bjoern A. Zeeb <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
Hi,

I just updated a bhyve file system and forgot to unmount it on the host; starting the guest I am surprised to see Login: and not press enter for
/bin/sh from init ...


Th= ere's two issues. First, /etc/rc output only goes to the primary consol= e. It wouldn't have prompted you or shown you a single user shell here = anyway.

Second, we've never dropped to single = user mode solely for unclean shutdown. Only for filesystems that couldn'= ;t be fixed. These could be fixed with fsck, so no single user.
<= br>
i agree with bz, there have been numerous times where i was d= ropped to single user for unclean shutdown which could be fixed with fsck

I've had thousands of panics recover by = the automatic fsck -p we do. The very definition of and unclean shutdown. A= bout 1% fail to do so and throw me into single user to fix. Which I do with= fsck -y...

So the uncle= an message by itself does not necessarily mean single user.=C2=A0 It can, b= ut often doesn't=C2=A0=C2=A0

The weirder thing is his no output thing...

Warner

Unclean shutdown on= ly prevents read-write mounting of a filesystem. It's cleared when the = filesystem checks out a good with fsck (or fsck is able to fix safe to fix = things). You'll only drop to single user if fsck can't fix it in &#= 39;preen' mode.

Warner

...
isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices
atkbdc: atkbdc0 already exists; skipping it
atrtc: atrtc0 already exists; skipping it
attimer: attimer0 already exists; skipping it
sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it
isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices
sc0 failed to probe on isa0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3b0-0x3bb iomem 0xb0000-0xb7fff pnp= id PNP0900 on isa0
pcib0: allocated type 4 (0x3b0-0x3bb) for rid 0 of vga0
isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices
Device configuration finished.
procfs registered
Statistical TSC calibration took 18310 us and 4437 data points
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1895998951 Hz quality 1000
Statistical lapic calibration took 11276 us and 699 data points
lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 67108868 Hz
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
lo0: bpf attached
vlan: initialized, using hash tables with chaining
IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
tcp_init: net.inet.tcp.tcbhashsize auto tuned to 131072
usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass
ahcich0: AHCI reset...
pci0: driver added
found-> vendor=3D0x8086, dev=3D0x2725, revid=3D0x1a
domain=3D0, bus=3D0, slot=3D5, func=3D0
class=3D02-80-00, hdrtype=3D0x00, mfdev=3D0
cmdreg=3D0x0007, statreg=3D0x0010, cachelnsz=3D0 (dwords)
lattimer=3D0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=3D0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=3D0x00 (0 ns)=
powerspec 3 supports D0 D3 current D0
MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit
MSI-X supports 16 messages in map 0x10
pci0:0:5:0: reprobing on driver added
ahcich0: SATA connect time=3D0us status=3D00000133
ahcich0: AHCI reset: device found
ahcich0: AHCI reset: device ready after 0ms
ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
ada0: <BHYVE SATA DISK 001> ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device
ada0: Serial Number BHYVE-DEEE-91F5-8E77
ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
ada0: Command Queueing enabled
ada0: 16384MB (33554432 512 byte sectors)
pass0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
pass0: <BHYVE SATA DISK 001> ACS-2 ATA SATA 3.x device
pass0: Serial Number BHYVE-GEOM: new disk ada0
DEEE-91F5-8E77
pass0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes)
pass0: Command Queueing enabled
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p4 [rw]...
WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance.
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
WARNING: /: mount pending error: blocks 177952 files 3815
efirtc0: providing initial system time
Dual Console: Serial Primary, Video Secondary
start_init: trying /sbin/init

FreeBSD/amd64 (Amnesiac) (ttyu0)

login:


--
Bjoern A. Zeeb r15:7

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