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GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > touching the FreeBSD Base System. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only > two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected > FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is > the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without > PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* > literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? > > Its crazy ... > > Regards, > vermaden > yup :-( -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info --000000000000d517e5063b1aac38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On W= ed, Jul 30, 2025, 02:28 vermaden <vermaden@interia.pl> wrote:
Hi,

after short discussion here:
- https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485

I got REALLY concerned.

One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the '= ;untouchable' Base System.

Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved.

But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE!

Consider this command:

# pkg delete -af

What it does?

It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system wit= hout touching the FreeBSD Base System.

What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD = system?

It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two= PKGBASE packages called:

- FreeBSD-clibs
- FreeBSD-runtime

All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed.

You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected Free= BSD-rescue package and its also removed.

WTF?!

POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is t= he POLA now?

Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system w= ithout PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg dele= te -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System?

Its crazy ...

Regards,
vermaden

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Tue, 29 Jul 2025 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 02:18:40 +0000 From: Shawn Webb To: vermaden Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Message-ID: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD mutt-hbsd 14.3-STABLE-HBSD FreeBSD 14.3-STABLE-HBSD HARDENEDBSD-14-STABLE amd64 X-PGP-Key: https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/blob/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc References: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z6ngwkyglkjghwbx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsG9P1lCvz3Tlm X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; 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GONE! >=20 > Consider this command: >=20 > # pkg delete -af >=20 > What it does? >=20 > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without t= ouching the FreeBSD Base System. >=20 > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? >=20 > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only t= wo PKGBASE packages called: >=20 > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime >=20 > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. Hey vermaden, As mentioned in the GitHub ticket, it appears there might be some room for discussion on which base packages ought to be marked vital and if the current list (of two) should be expanded. I suspect there could also be room for discussion on technical measures pkg could adopt to help mitigate issues like this. I myself don't have much in the way of suggestions on either topic of discussion. I'm simply hoping this email moves the needle forward in a positive direction. 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Removing all third party packages with > pkg(8) nukes the system, deleting everything but a few libraries. > Pkgbase should be handled by a seperate pkgbase(8) command. I belive > that all packages that make up a traditional base should have a flag > that only lets them be manipulated by pkgbase(8), while everything > else can be manipulated by pkg, even though the new command is a > frontend for the same system. I also belive that you should be able to > add that flag to normal packages, for example if I want ftpd back. I > also belive this would be good for stopping forced system updates when > updating software, which is something I hate about Linux. The subject line reminds me of . 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But even on desktops people keeps tweaking the build options... > > Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. > > But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! > > Consider this command: > > # pkg delete -af > > What it does? > > It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. No it remove all the packages. semantic matters. > > What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? > > It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: > > - FreeBSD-clibs > - FreeBSD-runtime This is why the vital flag are designed for. > > All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. > > WTF?! > > POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is the POLA now? > > Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? > > Its crazy ... Before jumping straight into making a drama, maybe ask for the plan? or discuss with people involved, or even better propose some help? The plan is the following for years: either create meta packages which will be flagged as vital for various combinaison of pkgbase: base, base-minimal, base-oci etc., etc. and use groups (marked as vital as well) if they are ready by then. This part has been delayed because: groups are now ready yet in pkg but might be there by the time 15.0-RELEASE is there. Bapt From nobody Wed Jul 30 18:30:20 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsgkj1lJ8z62tQr; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo2.interia.pl (smtpo2.interia.pl [217.74.67.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsgkh3dbXz486W; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:30:20 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Shawn Webb Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs, shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.6 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1753900229; bh=djkOPwrNAVqNGFcCLZkRkLUIzvDo43fITXN3/GIUE8Q=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rfOJC389yFqT3fqgLJdP3z94yCzwQiPn5zqL1ujyioGDQBjeyq7YbJ8QUqxXxaMOV h9gY9QmHvtIIWXnxkV2iJn91qMxO8lPpGjUAeNmcR7hc3NRW2GKPF9GxECjAObeKPo /8dDbN94gE2c4FMDbqJunoZkcRYC/ZmSqNKdVod0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsgkh3dbXz486W X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] Hi. I have only two proposals that seem sensible. (1) Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. (2) My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. As for additional groups like base-minimal or base-standard - I do not have anything against such additional features or layers - its not related to the main topic IMHO - that with 'classic' FreeBSD the *pkg delete -af* removes only third party packages and with PKGBASE FreeBSD it removes almost all system rendering it unbootable/unusable. Hope that helps. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-07-30 4:18 Nadawca: "Shawn Webb" <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>; DW: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; > >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 02:28:35AM +0200, vermaden wrote: >> Hi, >> >> after short discussion here: >> - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 >> >> I got REALLY concerned. >> >> One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'untouchable' Base System. >> >> Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. >> >> But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! >> >> Consider this command: >> >> # pkg delete -af >> >> What it does? >> >> It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. >> >> What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? >> >> It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: >> >> - FreeBSD-clibs >> - FreeBSD-runtime >> >> All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. > > Hey vermaden, > > As mentioned in the GitHub ticket, it appears there might be some room > for discussion on which base packages ought to be marked vital and if > the current list (of two) should be expanded. > > I suspect there could also be room for discussion on technical > measures pkg could adopt to help mitigate issues like this. > > I myself don't have much in the way of suggestions on either topic of > discussion. I'm simply hoping this email moves the needle forward in a > positive direction. > > Thanks, > > -- > Shawn Webb > Cofounder / Security Engineer > HardenedBSD > > Signal Username: shawn_webb.74 > Tor-ified Signal: +1 303-901-1600 / shawn_webb_opsec.50 > https://git.hardenedbsd.org/hardenedbsd/pubkeys/-/raw/master/Shawn_Webb/03A4CBEBB82EA5A67D9F3853FF2E67A277F8E1FA.pub.asc > > From nobody Thu Jul 31 17:55:24 2025 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4btGvc50lXz62s5N for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4btGvc4H0pz3dpw for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753984524; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PxV0rYsY+aW6tSdVW07IGPJIVy5Oy7ieb1eflrrnf3U=; b=BEM021AfJE94lkhxDo6tjDWxTEiDNgJyXfnlqXfLd+DfK0JmUm7qjeqk3iHqdTlpJ5lCTV ioXvYsCJL1DCckJp6mKca+UORzDKqnb3ylUDYSdC/1hiCEMmxoB72JmSa32KUMolJ3CTVf xGySME/l8mxKen8XaPdz0ec1mfdYVC083NVvemFHmnEFxpmPok96TfHuCMXlpQzm2wtZpz Nmnh5ymWcXzVUf5jjS3OuChklfiCr6/GzPodZgwvKb/SIyuvOhELz1lJ5OGOdRukh0BTc2 P8IlRx2QUFbyozbeDgNOV17fMwhtGtVxAwBQ7qXUaBlS25n7l+YXgfK/ofQdfA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1753984524; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PxV0rYsY+aW6tSdVW07IGPJIVy5Oy7ieb1eflrrnf3U=; b=GYI60nzzWBb/UYkTfoGorI6l6M+MROFU4epHc3mhBvnANXBedTvszyqjyj+d61uKbpl+XF b5FvI5AVT39iB3AUZlm/k2+R0CXyA0hTmNIlXkpCe0ZG6zoa4+/SKAyJfx3765uKHQNzjD vltHb1g3wPYHZJI+WTAhuBXw6BrUl6Nr9X2TOSqa0NSzGmvcwe2kiJYwJM82e6++L4DNFt W759+iBi50Fy3AmWH6ilnF1LqmLavN1R2KqyvfBl1HMtWLLUwI6PO1BvHOCpHs9CbqJ0/u iKoXSFYX4ZW+IoImNpytvuAqiqUi40OoeX0hTsX8nXdacAbanuk1QYK9ezQ9ZQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1753984524; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kO2dOOr0l63ySD4zy1TKVbV57wW6SPsrUJGamwjeq6hOgsc3K47Ib8oC/NMoP7s4s1paTh 1fM99l5AUFaAYkYzdEga93eNJQwbmd3hourbe3aMheDBnaJy6/viZkm5vvU51VjAGQCt9B kZl2NGV5azieI2JE4x30hRRDjy0m3AQR7V+y76wXPKeaPRGXvRw+uvIZjnL7lTmrHy0WyD jfF+U/5Y9DVcqxz4cwAamT/JkdANAq2ElncloNJ6efND5bq0j3lTIf60S3LEl5g1nc43oQ WdosptuBfErAeHBoZK7SkyoaQWQmZMUbLBOtUr883Ce2e/FhT4SlDPYdxREkzg== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4btGvc3rLzz1B5N for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 56VHtOQC016936 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 56VHtOFd016935 for pkg@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: pkg@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 285029] ports-mgmt/pkg - v. 2.0.6 - command 'pkg repositories' not documented in man pages Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 17:55:24 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Closed X-Bugzilla-Resolution: FIXED X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: pkg@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #4 from Graham Perrin --- Why was this closed as fixed? (In reply to Eric from comment #3) Eric is correct about the typo.=20 -d for --enabled is clearly wrong. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From nobody Sun Aug 3 21:00:46 2025 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bwBt76HN9z63q6h for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2025 21:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bwBt72Fzgz3k4k for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2025 21:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754254847; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ai2J4pSJVGuHNxQAunVpJjv64fsEPWqtCIngFMPpi8I=; b=L0dyPMMwI1LFSgajCOm4Q6S8QeXTPqLlLaOskkiHJu3cBN6iAXyv3Z4/SM9CO4grsIKGuK Bo5D9cNcDcUl0d/tvazQW/NT1AY3dTwzjjHVGhmWLZkJ6vWNYX9Bsf33DxuHv2iKh6RIMG 4DhOVdEi/yme749DRSOkLDE1hO1s/53elXiP8i22JxFhUW1v49j5xEk5UaCRVHu+6oq3sz 5/HM6m9V993zaBx436qRNc9j91HCkM0vj9AlHK8pnfVblmKYyLMdIAEc2ovnpOdl8LhOEC TzXmZKzHn7ozN8XS95DMMsjpzRyFIrxknhjSAD05QswaWGrGDu9r79RISCi93Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754254847; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ai2J4pSJVGuHNxQAunVpJjv64fsEPWqtCIngFMPpi8I=; b=vnTcTzYCIZY7+ZGzspAmuM3JiH78FmRGQEIQAmdySk6D+EYhFmbMEQ/Huf+hA2WzNIFMjv hlq3EDhUN9kV2XOqRwAMWRnFlaCDNSECx59rV5kBvkDYmOo3cySvGI7zlebyYoVQ3Rx0F7 c1d7vJavh+1XNNwfTbOVNIduZo8L5JzQGq9cLw9FtUdE4uS4IxDB3KYQmUSKQTch3R1Jve fdalUrkUJNCLCaXRi7wO1Vz7pDNESDWI7SK/giDz1qBuJ1mQLJu0F3gtUdZiio5aq4mkNf EudLLtmlgQj0xEx79Ku6PmP+UYm5ROd2luBjC2AEJ4NMyh7JK+2XnnWrebbmrQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754254847; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Pu5dhkSVejSw2oQpOnIesGE0oMEtbWE9F45m5iYjqNadgIW+Mj0D5CBfBd5vU6j6kALz50 loUk+xa38uuSraJZG2688E3koBLzMm3mhitvM4YCLlS5VwlynBmhpJsa70rbQgH/PXivAQ 4DzXySFVB2mDV7RJwf5nHu58A0iYRSvpuxW1sMLcGW+J85WSDbKIOt1FOiM4uZzZRkFH7x pGO1tdSjBlVqYZjxi9zKr3m3DsZOrlAoIygcJ5XmznIaNrqRdTlYVMttrVeMj9S9eK5s77 Ei9D/CBNTbhKsuAt2b2qG4iMje9HronexlAxIHyeUGh+e7bLaNmluOFh9TRyGg== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bwBt70b0Jz4lG for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2025 21:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 573L0kxc042413 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2025 21:00:46 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bugzilla@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 573L0kx3042412 for pkg@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 3 Aug 2025 21:00:46 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <202508032100.573L0kx3042412@kenobi.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: bugzilla set sender to bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@FreeBSD.org To: pkg@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problem reports for pkg@FreeBSD.org that need special attention Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2025 21:00:46 +0000 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="17542548468.F2F7.38294" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --17542548468.F2F7.38294 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2025 21:00:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" To view an individual PR, use: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=(Bug Id). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- Open | 220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages Open | 219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pkg confused, installs older ver New | 284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w Open | 268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera In Progress | 287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro Open | 264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_ 6 problems total for which you should take action. --17542548468.F2F7.38294 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2025 21:00:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 
The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users,
which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering
all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Status      |    Bug Id | Description
------------+-----------+---------------------------------------------------
Open        |    220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages
Open        |    219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg:  pkg confused, installs older ver
New         |    284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w
Open        |    268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera
In Progress |    287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro
Open        |    264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_

6 problems total for which you should take action.
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