From nobody Fri Aug 1 14:22:18 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bwfDZ1zdcz646JP; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 14:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bwfDZ0Zn8z3dFT; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 14:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754317998; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Z8+sy9pc/pddbvcDmFcwNCKz4ydQPwWt5manOlWGoOM=; b=TmK/0/6LEoy7D5oUFlLsbovm1EBkh5qh3FEHiALB7tzmCw208WRKCBzUvxI7DZlMt4RihE J+FhLeOOwLLL4sSD2a8YSqeoY4j1eX7Bw0MX9DU7LYyR3/DgUY5bK2g9p5Qypa2tCYHNGH pP4Cs51dANLdixPZ7IoauqVtXi5T1hlE6OdxqOVGTsiGUEBvsOhzzYLqHas5BvdUQ7ygyl ZU3Apb9BNGCfjMwSLLj6ajBN+s9prOWW96/856FihECvogVQXSmn7dfgy7O5xhNFocB/dk X1aB/dFeaKJztggUTQUx+DlyzQnLYM/qS5WHN/bn9mp7Hbuwp0gbD3MQ8zlYEw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754317998; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Z8+sy9pc/pddbvcDmFcwNCKz4ydQPwWt5manOlWGoOM=; b=kfMLLFXjQxaP4Q3LWL7XrIcuGx4GDdkYfkPrkc7HvJlWVLSv37M9IuPDU3AYzBlZ3gtwdH hH0uoOmFZPmASNQhECh1Lvmb4tMwG07Utdcf0m7zn6Zpy0lnA/ZnY7RNjwrwhabzuWMy2/ TdTQbEq30gS3x1kgMYyjhs8pfvGpDfv9NHlB2e793oVZlhsk+BMukd4qNul2vSvh/7vWZK mr1zDY2R5fnL3L65MxIlR6UdYoIDIkqeCwGryHq1yxTM6T6gYu0iJnOAwHs69SJ0GVKmsy oNoMXF1E2BIcv1JPMWD41hZ+llkwFFNMNtn+xxxhBS1oZJNFT7VS6WqmR3hdtQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754317998; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=xDdEGttE35K8zbJwzxbl3mJ7XINiGhEvzrbhQDZnI/p3FMqcS+D4R76MoF4Y3hhZxYz412 e33f/2c7HnAhHJnNybCGgVuMSY3NiDxea6vvGU6eea1QQw6uCTCWiprokDTZj+qZaxUB5M /DDRuJO8033LIHBfMRY2JvhCamEcT/2FMO2PLndQ/Iv6yOcaVrS1+DIezYzITTzaZjGrXU OObEtLy4ubA0p7idqTgK9k0YG44KcVh13hpbF36pGUxbYGNJt1vhLENxfg8nX2nGCdWQCM s/0nx7/b/XxE3ZbonXQuvLvAkHql/rr1Ef880FXQEn+pmxg5up3dLma3XnHVMQ== Received: from smtp.theravensnest.org (smtp.theravensnest.org [45.77.103.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: theraven) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bwfDY6hJ5zBbb; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 14:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (host86-143-41-189.range86-143.btcentralplus.com [86.143.41.189]) by smtp.theravensnest.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A096D138E4; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:22:34 +0100 (BST) From: David Chisnall Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9D5667ED-63EA-434D-AC2A-443557F0C968" List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\)) Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2025 15:22:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1) --Apple-Mail=_9D5667ED-63EA-434D-AC2A-443557F0C968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 31 Jul 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: >=20 > I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) = 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is = our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update = both is really unexpected and unwanted. I disagree here. If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you can = specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly. But if you = do then you risk things like: - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods things, = so now my GUI doesn=E2=80=99t start. - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer = point release and I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist. - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports = don=E2=80=99t work. All of these are things that users have complained about publicly in the = last year or so. =20 I have avoided them by always doing `freebsd-update install && pkg = upgrade` and keeping that in my shell history[1] so I don=E2=80=99t = accidentally forget to upgrade both together. Given a choice between a thing that works for users, or something that = *can* work for users but comes with a bunch of footguns that they need = to avoid, I=E2=80=99d pick the former. David [1] I=E2=80=99ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no longer = has working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, if = people want to complain about something.= --Apple-Mail=_9D5667ED-63EA-434D-AC2A-443557F0C968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On 31 Jul = 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> = wrote:

I would also like to separate it. Use one = command to update (upgrade) 3rd party packages and another to update = (upgrade) base packages. It is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus = running one command to update both is really unexpected and = unwanted.

I disagree = here.  If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you can = specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly.  But if = you do then you risk things like:

 - = I=E2=80=99ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods things, so = now my GUI doesn=E2=80=99t start.
 - I=E2=80=99ve = upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer point release and = I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist.
 - I=E2=80=99= ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports don=E2=80=99t = work.

All of these are things that users have = complained about publicly in the last year or so. =  

I have avoided them by always doing = `freebsd-update install && pkg upgrade` and keeping that in my = shell history[1] so I don=E2=80=99t accidentally forget to upgrade both = together.

Given a choice between a thing that = works for users, or something that *can* work for users but comes with a = bunch of footguns that they need to avoid, I=E2=80=99d pick the = former.

David

[1] = I=E2=80=99ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no longer has = working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, if people = want to complain about something.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c4484a5656acd26ecc0d7ee607a31c89; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 14:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2025 07:51:54 -0700 Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> References: To: David Chisnall X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bwffQ56vyz3hst X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Aug 1, 2025, at 07:22, David Chisnall wrote: > On 31 Jul 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: >>=20 >> I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) = 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is = our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update = both is really unexpected and unwanted. >=20 > I disagree here. If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you = can specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly. But if = you do then you risk things like: >=20 > - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods = things, so now my GUI doesn=E2=80=99t start. PkgBase does not remove the issue that updating the kernel first, rebooting, and then updating the world can be a requirement. (World should get a later reboot as well.) Last I knew PkgBase did not manage this sequence of itself, even for when kmods are not involved. I selectively update the kernels first and reboot before updating teh other PkgBase packages. (The plural 'kernels' is because I'm using main and have all the PkgBase kernels installed. One can not do that for non-main for contexts with .dtb files involved: conflicts.) Is it always safe to update all the ports-kmods before the world is updated so they are in place for the after-kernel reboot with the old world? If not, then PkgBase is not of itself a way of making the handling automatic as far as I can tell. > - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer = point release and I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist. > - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports = don=E2=80=99t work. >=20 > All of these are things that users have complained about publicly in = the last year or so. =20 >=20 > I have avoided them by always doing `freebsd-update install && pkg = upgrade` and keeping that in my shell history[1] so I don=E2=80=99t = accidentally forget to upgrade both together. >=20 > Given a choice between a thing that works for users, or something that = *can* work for users but comes with a bunch of footguns that they need = to avoid, I=E2=80=99d pick the former. >=20 > David >=20 > [1] I=E2=80=99ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no = longer has working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, = if people want to complain about something. >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Mon Aug 4 18:47:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bwltc5lwCz63NGb; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 18:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo49.interia.pl (smtpo49.interia.pl [217.74.67.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bwltc0n3dz49tW; Mon, 04 Aug 2025 18:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2025 20:47:54 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Mark Millard , David Chisnall Cc: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "pete@nomadlogic.org" , "bapt@freebsd.org" , "bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> References: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754333285; bh=IzslqACS+rM2Cr3dSJ7KNFU4EsGLydotASFbFxzcscs=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uGE9FYcp8BtlRQyNv9qceluR3j1+RpwNkxzQhi9tpJiyGMYv08V0R6uVs6G+cPYfO rrUYbZjWSX9vAyhg45bbzeHpd53GXCEJEgecsP2lybpoYXiLYR7VYIdZscJgA1mUKV xGjitWbCp2mWy/QtVTG+yDSMnW6K9n56x90PNh1o= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bwltc0n3dz49tW X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] Hi. > PkgBase does not remove the issue that updating > the kernel first, rebooting, and then updating the > world can be a requirement. > (World should get a later reboot as well.) Not related to PKGBASE - but as you will be doing a reboot after the update= /upgrade anyway - its safer and easier to do the upgrade inside separate ZF= S Boot Environment - as running kernel does not 'conflict' with the one ins= talled/upgraded inside the ZFS BE. So you do all the possible steps needed = - upgrading base - upgrading packages ... Details: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2021/02/23/upgrade-freebsd-with-zfs-boot-env= ironments/ Another good aspect of doing it this way is limiting downtime to just a reb= oot time - because while you were doing the upgrade - the 'host' system sti= ll works untouched - then after you are done - you reboot into upgraded ZFS= BE and check if everything works - and if not you just reboot again into t= he ZFS BE that worked perfectly before the upgrade and have 'endless' time = to figure out what the issue with the upgrade was. Hope that helps. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-04 16:52 Nadawca: "Mark Millard" <marklmi@yahoo.com> Adresat: "David Chisnall" <theraven@FreeBSD.org>;=20 DW: "Miroslav Lachman" <000.fbsd@quip.cz>; "vermaden" <vermaden@inter= ia.pl>; "Shawn Webb" <shawn.webb@hardenedbsd.org>; "freebsd-pkgbase@free= bsd.org" <freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org>; "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <= ;freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" <freebsd-pkg@fre= ebsd.org>; "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>; = pete@nomadlogic.org; bapt@freebsd.org; bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs;=20 >=20 >>=20 >=20 > On Aug 1, 2025, at 07:22, David Chisnall wrote: >=20 >> On 31 Jul 2025, at 02:57, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is really unexpected and unwanted. >>=20 >> I disagree here. If you *want* to separate them, then you can: you can specify the repository that you want to upgrade explicitly. But if you do then you risk things like: >>=20 >> - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded my base system, but not my ports-kmods things, = so now my GUI doesn=E2=80=99t start. >=20 > PkgBase does not remove the issue that updating the kernel > first, rebooting, and then updating the world can be a > requirement. (World should get a later reboot as well.) >=20 > Last I knew PkgBase did not manage this sequence of itself, > even for when kmods are not involved. I selectively update > the kernels first and reboot before updating teh other > PkgBase packages. (The plural 'kernels' is because I'm > using main and have all the PkgBase kernels installed. > One can not do that for non-main for contexts with .dtb > files involved: conflicts.) >=20 > Is it always safe to update all the ports-kmods before the > world is updated so they are in place for the after-kernel > reboot with the old world? >=20 > If not, then PkgBase is not of itself a way of making the > handling automatic as far as I can tell. >=20 >> - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded ports, but the ports tree is built on a newer point release and I need to upgrade to make some symbols exist. >> - I=E2=80=99ve upgraded the base system and now some kmods from ports don=E2=80=99t work. >>=20 >> All of these are things that users have complained about publicly in the last year or so. =20 >>=20 >> I have avoided them by always doing `freebsd-update install && p= kg upgrade` and keeping that in my shell history[1] so I don=E2=80=99t acciden= tally forget to upgrade both together. >>=20 >> Given a choice between a thing that works for users, or something that *can* work for users but comes with a bunch of footguns that they need to avoid, I=E2=80=99d pick the former. >>=20 >> David >>=20 >> [1] I=E2=80=99ve noticed on fresh installs, the default shell no longer has working persistent history, which is a *big* POLA violation, if people want to complain about something. >>=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Aug 5 14:54:10 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxGfJ56Rrz63KMN for ; 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The first bug fixed results in upgrade jobs being unnecessarily split into delete/install jobs. It has been around since pkg 2.0.0 and is fixed by https://github.com/ifreund/pkg/tree/sched-fixes-2. The second bug fixed causes split upgrade jobs to ordered such that the time between the split delete/install jobs is maximized rather than minimized. This bug was introduced more recently due to code churn in pkg 2.2.0 and is fixed by https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/pull/2488. Since bapt is currently on vacation, these fixes won't be merged for at least two weeks. It would be great to get some more real-world testing in the meantime though if anyone has time! Both bug fixes as well as a few other minor improvements are included in this branch: https://github.com/ifreund/pkg/tree/sched-fixes-2 Feel free to reply to this email or on the github pull requests with any issues/comments! 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #5 from Eric --- (In reply to Graham Perrin from comment #4) I think that would be because it was also reported later in the Documentat= ion category: bug #288366 I imagine it would have been more "POLA"-like if the commit/pull request wo= uld have been referenced here. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From nobody Wed Aug 6 09:17:44 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxl7Z5Wb1z63SDr; 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Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ACCAE12DA5; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 11:17:44 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature In-Reply-To: <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> (Graham Perrin's message of "Wed, 6 Aug 2025 02:41:38 +0100") References: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 11:17:44 +0200 Message-ID: <86qzxo6c7b.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham Perrin writes: > The four lists are not the places for a debate. You have no authority here. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org From nobody Wed Aug 6 09:30:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxlR004jKz63SwJ; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bxlQz3xmJz3KYR; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 09:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 11:30:54 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Graham Perrin , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "postmaster@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> References: <8690FF2F-B66D-423E-815C-9D64700A7D7D@yahoo.com> <311e4b5b-86ea-44f0-9418-d319b97634f0@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754472660; bh=Q0f7xfybcMuM1ceJNKaXO/hHHrXNcNJaQBl8U9W56fA=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ll49to5DXlzjF/2DvIU8WHHDL8NV3Qj0lGIv/g2tGInst66a7GmCI7R+dwLf/lRUX y61fEwdX+pVnVJzex6nq5uuMvUiE4EqKtm3PJKHXCX9zFM9NfMCjQBFqsWUBZ6BEv+ 56Wk/Jn1pp6eirl8P5+yrZwPfFESRBgpqSQYezUw= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bxlQz3xmJz3KYR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] > lowercase, please. I always used PKGBASE when I refer to this technology and I will continue t= o do so. Limited raw email allows only lowercase, Title Case or UPPERCASE. If UPPERC= ASE is problematic for you then maybe you should switch to platforms that a= llow more sophisticated ways of text formating with bold/italic/underline f= eatures. > Off-topic from the four lists: it's known > that following instructions, whilst taking > the linked approach, can break the OS. > Breakage is not particularly safe. Instructions work as desired - I upgraded dozens of systems this way over a= decade and not a single one break. ZFS Boot Environments were literally designed to work that way - to create = upgrade within new not running BE: - https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/E24456/betools-6.html#betools-3 ... and even IF they would break anything - the only thing they would break= would be separately created ZFS Boot Environment and NOT the host system i= tselt. Read more about ZFS Boot Environments - how they work - what they pr= ovide - and stop spreading that misinformation if you do not understand how= they work. =20 > With regard to rule-breaking,=20 Citing The Matrix movie: "Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken." The FreeBSD Base System is one of THE core FreeBSD values and features. It = is really important to make sure that PKGBASE - as much as I like the conce= pt - will not break it. For this important concern of mine that PKGBASE mus= t find some way to preserve Base System independence from regular third par= ty packages I addressed all Mailing Lists that are related to this problem = - and they are: - freebsd-stable - freebsd-current - freebsd-pkg - freebsd-pkgbase As that seemed logical and reasonable. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-06 3:41 Nadawca: "Graham Perrin" <grahamperrin@gmail.com> Adresat: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org;=20 DW: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@fr= eebsd.org; postmaster@freebsd.org;=20 >=20 > > On 04/08/2025 19:47, vermaden wrote: >> =E2=80=A6 Not related to PKGBASE >=20 > lowercase, please. >=20 > pkgbase >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 safer =E2=80=A6 https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2021/02/23/upgrade-freebsd-with-zfs-boot-env= ironments/ =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 > Off-topic from the four lists: it's known that following instructions, > whilst taking the linked approach, can break the OS. 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #6 from Alexander Ziaee --- (In reply to Graham Perrin from comment #4) I changed it back to closed fixed because the reported issue is fixed. Even= the typo which was not part of the original issue is fixed. 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #7 from Eric --- (In reply to Alexander Ziaee from comment #6) Obviously the typo was not part of the original PR. Do you mean that, as an immediate follow up about just a one-letter-change (note: changing semantics), I should not have re-opened the PR, and instead have opened completely new PR? I had considered that, but decided against it, exactly because of that. 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 Alexander Ziaee changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |grahamperrin@gmail.com --- Comment #8 from Alexander Ziaee --- (In reply to Eric from comment #7) > Do you mean that, as an immediate follow up about just a one-letter-chang= e (note: changing semantics), I should not have re-opened the PR, and inste= ad have opened completely new PR? No, IMO it's ideal to reply on the thread if observing an issue related to = the fix for the original problem, which it was, because then all the context is there. Graham asked in comment #4: > Why was this closed as fixed? 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #9 from Eric --- (In reply to Alexander Ziaee from comment #8) Thank you for clarifying; then we're thinking along the same lines. If I had seen this say, some weeks later, I think I'd have leaned towards=20 openening a new PR instead of a follow up. About six days after comment #4 I wrote my response & linking to bug #28836= 6,=20 in the expectation that that would be sufficient and easy enough for Graham= ,=20 and others, to find the relevant pull request/commit. If had followed things more closely, I might have closed this PR myself,=20 labelled as obe, with a reference.=20 In general however, I'm somewhat hesitant as to what I, as the PR issuer is= =20 supposed to do / expected to do wrt to closing *one's own* PR. What comes=20 to mind is making a request / posing the question if the PR can be closed?= =20 Also because, again in general, other things and users might be affected=20 and the PR issue itself might be more extensive then the PR initiator might= =20 realise. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From nobody Wed Aug 6 17:40:36 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxyJ12SBlz641HQ; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 17:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo73.interia.pl (smtpo73.interia.pl [217.74.67.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bxyJ06G44z3dZ4; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 17:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 19:40:36 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Ceri Davies Cc: "FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <7E69E694-963C-4D69-B5B5-891330FF16A2@submonkey.net> References: <7E69E694-963C-4D69-B5B5-891330FF16A2@submonkey.net> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754502040; bh=yTYOqzOYh5xOWB/Z5nZEWcQWfh6+0cK3dSq8VNZDF/I=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q5TPEYJ9xuShW0rKXhYz9sgomBS4k1x050+wZ8IMPU8CvnXL3Ng6xx3amhRBj2kIp XpEk1OiZnKoOkrMEhzuALsQW6uOptPGYklHPDw5ucddHnl2J1Qb8LounSW8uucyv49 X9mFn0dK+y9GudElu9ohENyCjq58O2hgr310qPRE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bxyJ06G44z3dZ4 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] > Because that=E2=80=99s what you asked for. > Why would the command do anything other than that? > If it did not, what command should and would you oppose it existing? The problem is that the same 'pkg delete -af' command - will behave DIFFERE= NTLY with PKGBASE and without PKGBASE on the same FreeBSD version system - = that is the center of the problem. Everyone that use FreeBSD got used to the fact that pkg(8) command maintain= s only third party packages and Base System is untouched. With current stat= e of PKGBASE FreeBSD is no different then a Linux distribution with yum/dnf= /apt package manager - the Base System 'security' is broken. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-06 18:45 Nadawca: "Ceri Davies" <ceri@submonkey.net> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>;=20 DW: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@fr= eebsd.org; freebsd-current@freebsd.org;=20 >> On 30 Jul 2025, at 01:28, vermaden wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFHi, >>=20 >> after short discussion here: >> - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485 >>=20 >> I got REALLY concerned. >>=20 >> One of THE features and selling points of a FreeBSD UNIX system is the 'untouchable' Base System. >>=20 >> Without PKGBASE all the features are preserved. >>=20 >> But when You convert to PKGBASE its ... GONE! >>=20 >> Consider this command: >>=20 >> # pkg delete -af >>=20 >> What it does? >>=20 >> It removes all third party packages on 'classic' FreeBSD system without touching the FreeBSD Base System. >>=20 >> What the same "pkg delete -af" command does on a PKGBASE FreeBSD system? >>=20 >> It kills/destroys almost all of the FreeBSD Base System and leaves only two PKGBASE packages called: >>=20 >> - FreeBSD-clibs >> - FreeBSD-runtime >>=20 >> All the rest of Base System is GONE. Destroyed. >>=20 >> You do not even have vi(1) editor ad /rescue is separate not protected FreeBSD-rescue package and its also removed. >>=20 >> WTF?! >>=20 >> POLA is the principle that made FreeBSD such predictable system. Where is the POLA now? >> Why the same *pkg delete -af* command on 'classic' FreeBSD system without PKGBASE only removes all third party packages and the same *pkg delete -af* literally destroys most of the FreeBSD PKGBASE Base System? >=20 > Because that=E2=80=99s what you asked for. Why would the command do anything other than that? 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D285029 --- Comment #10 from Alexander Ziaee --- (In reply to Eric from comment #9) OBE would be if the "pkg repositories" command was removed, therefore the problem of missing documentation for pkg repositories did not get fixed, but the problem was overcome by the event of removing the command. Someone from the project closes the PR after they fix it, or in the case of= OBE when they're going through the list of PRs for various reasons. Because bapt saw this and wrote a manual to "fix" it, he marks it fixed. You reopened it about the typo, and I wrote a fix and then marked it as fixed. I would appreciate if people would close their own PRs if either 1. They discover it was "Not a Bug" and actually their own error, or 2. 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: bug_id short_desc product version rep_platform op_sys bug_status bug_severity priority component assigned_to reporter flagtypes.name Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D288702 Bug ID: 288702 Summary: ports-mgmt/pkg v2.2.2, pkg-fetch synopsis missing '-o' option Product: Ports & Packages Version: Latest Hardware: Any OS: Any Status: New Severity: Affects Some People Priority: --- Component: Individual Port(s) Assignee: pkg@FreeBSD.org Reporter: erichanskrs@gmail.com Assignee: pkg@FreeBSD.org Flags: maintainer-feedback?(pkg@FreeBSD.org) The long-option variant describes 'destdir' (using '--output'): pkg fetch [--repository reponame] [--output destdir] [--{dependencies,quiet,no-repo-update,yes}] However, the first synopsis entry (short-option),=20 does not describe 'destdir': -pkg fetch [-r reponame] [-dqUy] [-Cgix] pkg-name [...] +pkg fetch [-r reponame] [-o destdir] [-dqUy] [-Cgix] pkg-name [...] ( The previous man page versions of pkg-fetch(8) also=20 seem to be incomplete in this respect. ) Using 14.3-RELEASE and latest, and: [1-0] # date -u; 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Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Bugzilla Automation has asked freebsd-pkg (Nobody) for maintainer-feedback: Bug 288702: ports-mgmt/pkg v2.2.2, pkg-fetch synopsis missing '-o' option https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D288702 --- Description --- The long-option variant describes 'destdir' (using '--output'): pkg fetch [--repository reponame] [--output destdir] [--{dependencies,quiet,no-repo-update,yes}] However, the first synopsis entry (short-option),=20 does not describe 'destdir': -pkg fetch [-r reponame] [-dqUy] [-Cgix] pkg-name [...] +pkg fetch [-r reponame] [-o destdir] [-dqUy] [-Cgix] pkg-name [...] ( The previous man page versions of pkg-fetch(8) also=20 seem to be incomplete in this respect. ) Using 14.3-RELEASE and latest, and: [1-0] # date -u; pkg -v Wed Aug 6 21:46:29 UTC 2025 2.2.2 From nobody Wed Aug 6 21:54:35 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4by3x51F5qz64GbW; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 21:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo49.interia.pl (smtpo49.interia.pl [217.74.67.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4by3x45t6Pz3MPr; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 21:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 23:54:35 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Ceri Davies Cc: "FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <742CE190-C37F-4665-874E-E3851060E18D@submonkey.net> References: <742CE190-C37F-4665-874E-E3851060E18D@submonkey.net> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754517279; bh=o0ACDJN+AMM/Oz3EpGJyESFONq9juOn8pwngu4QojL8=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bL4UsIClWDwfbwvA0xDnzl+S7X5iIiXDPjVNiZLxKISP39wImpyn6ZGM8g4tI8kW7 Q9NdD5ftr6+wyoBeByoAQzk8syscr/X3D8yhTJfZ2/+cPK6V55345se3aDOZGzgdoG sIox2gpSFV12yKZxDTs9mhRgCYx7tTVrsByeAqek= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4by3x45t6Pz3MPr X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] > No, it has the same behaviour. English is not my primary language so I will try to explain in more simple = words as you probably did not understood. NOPE. It DOES NOT has the same behavior. Situation A. A.1. You have FreeBSD 15-CURRENT installed in 'classic' way. A.2. You issue this command: # pkg delete -af A.3. All Third Party packages are deleted from your system. A.4. You FreeBSD 15-CURRENT Base System remain UNTOUCHED. Situation B. B.1. You have FreeBSD 15-CURRENT installed in 'PKGBSD' way. B.2. You issue this command: # pkg delete -af B.3. All Third Party packages are deleted from your system. B.4. You FreeBSD 15-CURRENT Base System is REMOVED with only 2/290 packages= UNTOUCHED Details here: - https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/issues/2485#issuecomment-3133359219 Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-06 23:11 Nadawca: "Ceri Davies" <ceri@submonkey.net> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>;=20 DW: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org;=20 >> On 6 Aug 2025, at 18:40, vermaden wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >>>=20 >>> Because that=E2=80=99s what you asked for. >>> Why would the command do anything other than that? >>> If it did not, what command should and would you oppose it existing? >>=20 >> The problem is that the same 'pkg delete -af' command - will behave DIFFERENTLY with PKGBASE and without PKGBASE on the same FreeBSD version system - that is the center of the problem. >>=20 >=20 > No, it has the same behaviour. >=20 > The result on the system may be different, but that is true of many, many commands that make assumptions about the existing configuration of a system. >=20 > Ceri >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Aug 6 22:03:17 2025 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4by46s47B1z64HJm for ; 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D288702 --- Comment #1 from Eric --- (In reply to Eric from comment #0) Using 'latest' above refers to using head from ports and building pkg 2.2.2 locally, as v2.2.2 as not yet appeared in the relevant remote package repo. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From nobody Wed Aug 6 22:21:32 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4by4X31smvz64J2x; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 22:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo73.interia.pl (smtpo73.interia.pl [217.74.67.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4by4X26MKZz3RnN; Wed, 06 Aug 2025 22:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 00:21:32 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Ceri Davies Cc: "FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754518897; bh=dwxUzjh9YvX0lQikjfrfaADN2Dz9q4LCBC96nIMkt2s=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cQyCWt/za5dtbO+sFUg+jZXwNPBklV/asyxJ8fYtHie6D3WemtNJ5zxxsEyKIvirr 4jmoOEduw7K58DUMbnyLfxZCEQdFP4q4EKSn2slJ0waq560eIwzcFapoIuMrVCIHpz 13M/O/iOzJgh+OUUE3slVY4igLr1cXaQGF39aR+Y= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4by4X26MKZz3RnN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL] So You still do not understand ... The pkg(8) command works fine - its just NOT SUPPOSE to DESTROY most of the= FreeBSD Base System - because FreeBSD is not Linux to allow shit like that= ... Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-07 0:13 Nadawca: "Ceri Davies" <ceri@submonkey.net> Adresat: "vermaden" <vermaden@interia.pl>;=20 DW: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@f= reebsd.org; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org;=20 >> On 6 Aug 2025, at 22:54, vermaden wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >>>=20 >>> No, it has the same behaviour. >>=20 >> English is not my primary language so I will try to explain in more simple words as you probably did not understood. >>=20 >> NOPE. >>=20 >> It DOES NOT has the same behavior. >=20 > In each case it forcibly deletes all the packages from your system, like you asked. >=20 > I understood you fine, I just disagree that this is a shocking result when you have specified the =E2=80=9Call=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cforce=E2=80= =9D flags. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 06/08/2025 10:17, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Graham Perrin writes: >> The four lists are not the places for a debate. > You have no authority here. DES conveniently omitted the context. I meant, I'll not abuse the four lists with discussion of content that's off-topic from all four. --------------xNVZBNnpa4mBoD7WaeiR600j Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 06/08/2025 10:17, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com> writes:

The four lists are not the places for a debate.

You have no authority here.

DES conveniently omitted the context. 

I meant, I'll not abuse the four lists with discussion of content that's off-topic from all four. 

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Is there a known alternative to the command: chroot /FBSDFSSDroot-mnt/ pkg-static delete -a that would only delete port-packages, even if the chroot's world was based on a pkgbase world installation? If yes, what would the command be like? If no, could something be added to allow such a command to be formed? In the long run, I may not be the only one with such a prior context and resulting general type of question. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Thu Aug 7 05:44:05 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4byGLc6DvJz63nh3; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dtxdf@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4byGLc5Tmzz3CLp; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dtxdf@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754545448; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=we6J0CcRj7SJemfG6GuW0c7HPUu/9LhbU0zJWzy9KIk=; b=fG12w1C8ON7KOyZzyDjQHM79ScsQSx6cC9xWLJqCBDsr4NU7Zf+gtwjdpC9GEz4ZrSzI0Y f/52Zt+JqIQUFts8JvSPS3nb4snJhjsNSyALKhl6k0tSrV/+GwmZMuE6er0Pg1k/ktwMGE 077ZV0ev2ddysdTc+RV4ZZnSfvcYDtL9cq2voY4Jc5g8Rceod2k3R2+gtlHtFrR9GLFj2H 6tobqcftSCWaNFw/483L1AhvYs+nhO8BcGv1C61G2eHVrmJBi5eTyhq9BW5taCjgF62iSx 7WK0+eBuB/K0okefEGCeF1mRhU4K89nAuYtY6TGeHXElb1xflPvt6TvQ2zor2w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754545448; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=we6J0CcRj7SJemfG6GuW0c7HPUu/9LhbU0zJWzy9KIk=; b=S0RCWQX7drBsbfjsnnLbDMbYthN4NFg+LGVpJUIm5AzEGsY/v489pGPTl3qz/9JdLMndAM /PAOhMPMTtIC2fugQq1DDUB4W5zO8TfwSQO/sQbAo2amorQVPC2j9PK8D2ag1RZoRMZVZr N7CFwW0tv9B0jdAcmsIo9w5S3wXDY04Z4KSkQEjYBr0FLHkzkVn6bz3KOAxym7In8RQXuY gqXUR4cuogpaJXKvzz6FqdNYIcUfF+wjyZaq4jbqiBi43z0SHJ+Zkyz8X5izDKdp3rwbXI E5n8Fk0KX+K2DNVJmbqAhMY4piBuRN5BdMoi5ynCczIvTbEyJL/r5O/z9zghrA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754545448; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QUnmLv0r9dzQE8oswT20GoU7cHje9h1ANoEinpd/6DBOqYTSkmSaQjzSFok/72SB3tIK1z vpdz0ehGKQZIMOa1f22eMtsXA4kfpexww+XvgZknYEAPq/IJ9MDmZwdNOzuMPIg9/7rGCS GsQU8LDgbni9TjItJ1V1eEnLACi7JXUCgYD8IT9wAxxUaH7ZvwcG28OA28b7eXitjCOXVJ cn+2PBjvVromxXbS/XvzuBMGHBwLvYQ6n8feEaNMqPq6wXm1g2gO+ilwG3HLoi5ngvNyEz pqtv5hNExIRgXL7TQmjKUVHbcEjAXdQD7CaA1WVGr3t5emDo7lqyA2M7oYoE7g== Received: from [192.168.0.103] (unknown [201.208.30.180]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: dtxdf) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4byGLc12NMzqTH; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 05:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dtxdf@freebsd.org) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8XRymVIcfNm0H6e34XCBQz2w" Message-ID: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 01:44:05 -0400 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Beta Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages: a question [Trying to avoid being part of other somewhat-related discussions] To: Mark Millard , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs_Daniel_Colmenares_Oviedo?= In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8XRymVIcfNm0H6e34XCBQz2w Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps something like this (with a few additions): ``` pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg remove -n && pkg autoremove -n && pkg clean -n ``` On 8/6/25 23:42, Mark Millard wrote: > Is there a known alternative to the command: > > chroot/FBSDFSSDroot-mnt/ pkg-static delete -a > > that would only delete port-packages, even if the > chroot's world was based on a pkgbase world > installation? > > If yes, what would the command be like? --------------8XRymVIcfNm0H6e34XCBQz2w Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Perhaps something like this (with a few additions):


```
pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg remove -n && pkg autoremove -n && pkg clean -n

```

On 8/6/25 23:42, Mark Millard wrote:
Is there a known alternative to the command:

chroot /FBSDFSSDroot-mnt/ pkg-static delete -a

that would only delete port-packages, even if the
chroot's world was based on a pkgbase world
installation?

If yes, what would the command be like?
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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/08/2025 06:44, Jesús Daniel Colmenares Oviedo wrote: > Perhaps something like this (with a few additions): > > > ``` > pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg remove -n && pkg > autoremove -n && pkg clean -n > > ``` > This is good. Thank you, Mark and Jesús, for progressing this. xargs pkg delete -fqy.txt (attached) ==================================== Quiet, forced deletion -- without question -- of pkg, pkg-provides, and around 830 other non-base packages. The subsequent bootstrap of pkg succeeded. My first use of the bootstrapped pkg failed only because re: , I had omitted to reconfigure /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf for pkg to work without the plugin. xargs dry run.txt (attached) ==================================== All normal, as far as I can tell, with the dry run. 833 non-base packages. No base package will be deleted. xargs pkg delete -y.txt (attached) ==================================== Assuming yes, without also applying force, naturally stops when pkg will not delete itself. Making a command memorable ==================================== An alias is tempting, however from I learnt that a pipe can be problematic. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 049e4f3d4002fbddaa1f722d4a8807fa; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages (excluding base): success From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <2ca670e7-b6e9-4d28-b3b8-029758db7735@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 08:57:32 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> <2ca670e7-b6e9-4d28-b3b8-029758db7735@gmail.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4byWym5QgFz3RHW X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] On Aug 7, 2025, at 02:01, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 07/08/2025 06:44, Jes=C3=BAs Daniel Colmenares Oviedo wrote: >=20 >> Perhaps something like this (with a few additions): >>=20 >>=20 >> ``` >> pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg remove -n && pkg = autoremove -n && pkg clean -n >>=20 >> ``` >>=20 >=20 > This is good. Thank you, Mark and Jes=C3=BAs, for progressing this. >=20 >=20 > xargs pkg delete -fqy.txt (attached) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Quiet, forced deletion -- without question -- of pkg, pkg-provides, = and around 830 other non-base packages. >=20 > The subsequent bootstrap of pkg succeeded. >=20 > My first use of the bootstrapped pkg failed only because re: = , I had = omitted to reconfigure /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf for pkg to work without = the plugin. >=20 >=20 > xargs dry run.txt (attached) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > All normal, as far as I can tell, with the dry run. >=20 > 833 non-base packages. No base package will be deleted. Actually the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been provided): QUOTE The following package files will be deleted: = /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0= e75.pkg /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg . . . /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg The cleanup will free 1 GiB END QUOTE I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. > xargs pkg delete -y.txt (attached) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Assuming yes, without also applying force, naturally stops when pkg = will not delete itself. Well, that means a large number of packages were not deleted: [49/833] Deleting files for PackageKit-1.3.1: 100% [50/833] Deinstalling discount-2.2.7d... [50/833] Deleting files for discount-2.2.7d: 100% pkg: Cannot delete pkg itself without force flag This does not match the documented pkg delete -a behavior (no -f): The following options are supported by pkg delete: -a, --all Deletes all installed packages except for pkg(8) from = the system and cleans the database of information related to removed packages. I'll also note that the "except for pkg(8)" text might mean that enough of FreeBSD-* should be left in place for pkg (and pkg-static) to be fully operational. Either that, or more about the result needs to be documented. > Making a command memorable > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > An alias is tempting, however from = I learnt that a pipe can be = problematic. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: > … does not match the documented pkg delete -a > behavior (no -f): … (From Reddit) for --force in the Options section of pkg-delete(8), something like: > … In combination with the -a or --all flag, deletes base packages (if > present) that form FreeBSD, and pkg(8) itself. > > Do not forcibly delete the operating system. --------------MU7Ix9dZtMkzPddGCFj2s3Ar Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote:
… does not match the documented pkg delete -a
behavior (no -f): …


(From Reddit) for --force in the Options section of pkg-delete(8), something like:

… In combination with the -a or --all flag, deletes base packages (if present) that form FreeBSD, and pkg(8) itself.

Do not forcibly delete the operating system.

<https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pkg-delete&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-ports#OPTIONS>

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Affected packages are, for example, likely to include those from the FreeBSD-kmods repo. For the scripted session below, I highlighted drm-61-kmod. ---- Script started on Thu Aug  7 18:29:22 2025 root@pkg:~ # pkg install -qUy drm-kmod ===== Message from drm-61-kmod-6.1.128.1403000_5: -- The drm-61-kmod port can be enabled for amdgpu (for AMD GPUs starting with the HD7000 series / Tahiti) or i915kms (for Intel APUs starting with HD3000 / Sandy Bridge) through kld_list in /etc/rc.conf. radeonkms for older AMD GPUs can be loaded and there are some positive reports if EFI boot is NOT enabled. For amdgpu: kld_list="amdgpu" For Intel: kld_list="i915kms" For radeonkms: kld_list="radeonkms" Please ensure that all users requiring graphics are members of the "video" group. Please note that this package was built for FreeBSD 14.3. If this is not your current running version, please rebuild it from ports to prevent panics when loading the module. root@pkg:~ # pkg query '%At %Av' drm-61-kmod FreeBSD_version 1403000 repo_type binary repository FreeBSD-kmods root@pkg:~ # pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg delete -fqy You may need to manually remove /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf if it is no longer needed. root@pkg:~ # pkg bootstrap -y Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/base_release_3, please wait... pkg: Attempted to fetch pkg+https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/base_release_3/Latest/pkg.pkg pkg: Attempted to fetch pkg+https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/base_release_3/Latest/pkg.txz pkg: Error: Not Found A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system. Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+http://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:14:amd64/latest, please wait... Verifying signature with trusted certificate pkg.freebsd.org.2013102301... done Installing pkg-2.2.1... Extracting pkg-2.2.1:   0% … Extracting pkg-2.2.1: 100% root@pkg:~ # pkg install -qUy pkg-provides pkg: Loading of plugin 'provides' failed: Cannot open "/usr/local/lib/pkg//provides.so" pkg: Plugins cannot be loaded root@pkg:~ # pkg-static install -qUy pkg-provides ===== Message from pkg-provides-0.7.4: -- In order to use the pkg-provides plugin you need to enable plugins in pkg. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/08/2025 21:00, Mark Millard wrote: > … You may need to explain more about whatever your point was. I'm confused. Sorry. I am (at the same time) taking a broader look at the pkg-delete(8) page. --------------1gN00mrJioo9VARlabEXfkAL Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 07/08/2025 21:00, Mark Millard wrote:
… You may need to explain more about whatever your point was. I'm confused.


Sorry. I am (at the same time) taking a broader look at the pkg-delete(8) page. 

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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: > … > Actually the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg > files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been > provided): > > QUOTE > The following package files will be deleted: > /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0e75.pkg > /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg > . . . > /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg > /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg > The cleanup will free 1 GiB > END QUOTE > > I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. > > … Personally, I would rarely clean the cache. I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not necessarily what's recommended (or desirable). I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a recommendation; and so on. HTH --------------IlffAKbk4orNNyAz6iwcjZ9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote:
… 
Actually the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg
files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been
provided):

QUOTE
The following package files will be deleted:
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0e75.pkg
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg
. . .
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg
The cleanup will free 1 GiB
END QUOTE

I do not know if this would be desired vs. not.

…


Personally, I would rarely clean the cache. 

I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not necessarily what's recommended (or desirable). 

I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a recommendation; and so on. 

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REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] ------=_Part_328367_1386093214.1754600078501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear > Personally, I would rarely clean the cache I did everytime I need space in /var so not desirable for my point of view. Regards, Yves Guerin =20 Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88=924, Graham Perrin = a =C3=A9crit : =20 =20 On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: =20 =E2=80=A6 Actually the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been provided): QUOTE The following package files will be deleted: /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~= 2b1b4b0e75.pkg /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg . . . /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg The cleanup will free 1 GiB END QUOTE I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. =E2=80=A6=20 =20 =20 =20 Personally, I would rarely clean the cache.=C2=A0 =20 I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not necessarily w= hat's recommended (or desirable).=C2=A0 =20 I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a recommend= ation; and so on.=C2=A0 =20 HTH =20 ------=_Part_328367_1386093214.1754600078501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear

> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache

I did everytime I need space in /var so not desirable for= my point of view.

Regards,

Yves Guerin



=20
=20
Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88= =924, Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :


=20 =20
=20 =20 =20
On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark M= illard wrote:
=E2=80=A6 
Actually the file indicates=
 that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg
files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been
provided):

QUOTE
The following package files will be deleted:
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~=
2b1b4b0e75.pkg
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg
. . .
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg
        /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg
The cleanup will free 1 GiB
END QUOTE

I do not know if this would be desired vs. not.

=E2=80=A6


Personally, I would rarely clean the cache. 

I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not necessarily what's recommended (or desirable). 

I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a recommendation; and so on. 

HTH

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(=46rom "man pkg-clean" in my environment.) > Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88=924, Graham Perrin = a =C3=A9crit :=20 >=20 >=20 > On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: >> =E2=80=A6 Actually the file indicates that = /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg >> files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been >> provided): >>=20 >> QUOTE >> The following package files will be deleted: >> = /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0= e75.pkg >> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg >> . . . >> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >> The cleanup will free 1 GiB >> END QUOTE >>=20 >> I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. >>=20 >> =E2=80=A6 >=20 > Personally, I would rarely clean the cache.=20 > I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not = necessarily what's recommended (or desirable).=20 > I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a = recommendation; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 462cf2cf88cb3cf3aee8c0e6fd0a64ef; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 21:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages (excluding base): success From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 14:46:45 -0700 Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> <2ca670e7-b6e9-4d28-b3b8-029758db7735@gmail.com> <1707775018.328368.1754600078502@mail.yahoo.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Yves_Gu=C3=A9rin?= , Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.979]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.ca,gmail.com]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.31:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bygjl0Rdzz3CQ4 X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Aug 7, 2025, at 14:41, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 7, 2025, at 13:54, Yves Gu=C3=A9rin = wrote: >=20 >> Dear >>=20 >>> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache >>=20 >> I did everytime I need space in /var so not desirable for my point of = view. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Yves Guerin >=20 > It might be that what was listed was only ones "that have > been superseded by newer versions, and any packages that > are no longer provided". (=46rom "man pkg-clean" in my > environment.) Although, thnking about it, main ( and stable/* ) can have superseded versions of some or all pkg's twice or so a day. Removal at that rate, if not updating at that rate, might not be the best of ideas. So not cleaning automatically when not updating the FreeBSD-* may be what is appropriate. >> Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88=924, Graham = Perrin a =C3=A9crit :=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: >>> =E2=80=A6 Actually the file indicates that = /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg >>> files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been >>> provided): >>>=20 >>> QUOTE >>> The following package files will be deleted: >>> = /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0= e75.pkg >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg >>> . . . >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >>> The cleanup will free 1 GiB >>> END QUOTE >>>=20 >>> I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache.=20 >> I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; 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Fri, 8 Aug 2025 00:57:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 00:56:56 +0000 (UTC) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Yves_Gu=C3=A9rin?= Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Yves_Gu=C3=A9rin?= To: Graham Perrin , Mark Millard Cc: "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <481759339.393522.1754614616320@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> <2ca670e7-b6e9-4d28-b3b8-029758db7735@gmail.com> <1707775018.328368.1754600078502@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages (excluding base): success List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_393521_1820001025.1754614616318" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.24260 YMailNorrin X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bylwt6GNnz3fvl X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] ------=_Part_393521_1820001025.1754614616318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear, I did it on all my servers (pkg clean after an update, automatic script) an= d as usual forget to do it on my own laptop :) Regards, Yves Guerin=20 Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:47:01 UTC=E2=88=925, Mark Millard <= marklmi@yahoo.com> a =C3=A9crit : =20 =20 On Aug 7, 2025, at 14:41, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 7, 2025, at 13:54, Yves Gu=C3=A9rin wrote: >=20 >> Dear >>=20 >>> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache >>=20 >> I did everytime I need space in /var so not desirable for my point of vi= ew. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Yves Guerin >=20 > It might be that what was listed was only ones "that have > been superseded by newer versions, and any packages that > are no longer provided". (From "man pkg-clean" in my > environment.) Although, thnking about it, main ( and stable/* ) can have superseded versions of some or all pkg's twice or so a day. Removal at that rate, if not updating at that rate, might not be the best of ideas. So not cleaning automatically when not updating the FreeBSD-* may be what is appropriate. >> Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88=924, Graham Perrin <= grahamperrin@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 07/08/2025 16:57, Mark Millard wrote: >>> =E2=80=A6 Actually the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg >>> files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been >>> provided): >>>=20 >>> QUOTE >>> The following package files will be deleted: >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b= 4b0e75.pkg >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap20241026125659.pkg >>> . . . >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg >>> The cleanup will free 1 GiB >>> END QUOTE >>>=20 >>> I do not know if this would be desired vs. not. >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache.=20 >> I think, we're partly experimenting with what's possible; not necessaril= y what's recommended (or desirable).=20 >> I might demonstrate the effect of -fqy but that's certainly not a recomm= endation; and so on.=20 >> HTH =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com =20 ------=_Part_393521_1820001025.1754614616318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear,

I di= d it on all my servers (pkg clean after an update, automatic script) and as= usual forget to do it on my own laptop :)

Regards,

Yves Guerin


=20
=20
Le jeudi 7 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:47:01 UTC=E2=88= =925, Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> a =C3=A9crit :


=20 =20
On Aug 7, 2025, at 14:41, Mark Millar= d <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2025, at 13:54, Yves Gu=C3=A9rin <yvesguerin@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Dear
>>
>= ;>> Personally, I would rarely clean the cache
>= >
>> I did everytime I need space in /var so no= t desirable for my point of view.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>&g= t; Yves Guerin
>
> It might be t= hat what was listed was only ones "that have
> been su= perseded by newer versions, and any packages that
> ar= e no longer provided". (From "man pkg-clean" in my
> e= nvironment.)

Although, thnking about i= t, main ( and stable/* ) can have
superseded versions of = some or all pkg's twice or so a day.
Removal at that rate= , if not updating at that rate, might
not be the best of = ideas. So not cleaning automatically
when not updating th= e FreeBSD-* may be what is appropriate.


>> Le jeudi 7 ao=C3= =BBt 2025 =C3=A0 16:23:03 UTC=E2=88=924, Graham Perrin <grahamperrin@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :
&g= t;>
>>
>> On 07/08/202= 5 16:57, Mark Millard wrote:
>>> =E2=80=A6 Actua= lly the file indicates that /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-*.pkg
= >>> files would be deleted by the "pkg clean" (if -n had not been<= br clear=3D"none">>>> provided):
>>> >>> QUOTE
>>> The foll= owing package files will be deleted:
>>> /var/ca= che/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dev-lib32-15.snap20250715051601~2b1b4b0e75.pkg<= br clear=3D"none">>>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-telnet-man-15.snap202= 41026125659.pkg
>>> . . .
>= >> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-bsdinstall-dbg-15.snap20250720000631.pkg>>> /var/cache/pkg/FreeBSD-libexecinfo-dbg-15.snap= 20250720000631.pkg
>>> The cleanup will free 1 G= iB
>>> END QUOTE
>>> =
>>> I do not know if this would be desired vs. = not.
>>>
>>> =E2=80= =A6
>>
>> Personally, I wo= uld rarely clean the cache.
>> I think, we're part= ly experimenting with what's possible; not necessarily what's recommended (= or desirable).
>> I might demonstrate the effect o= f -fqy but that's certainly not a recommendation; and so on.
>> HTH


<= br clear=3D"none">=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID fbcbf72a96ada09b68bcdd3fe5f71bcb; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 14:58:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: RE: git: 66c75fa63aff - main - freebsd-update: Fix the pkgbase check [-r basedir vs. -c basedir use --and the documentation?] Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 07:58:01 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org To: Mark Johnston , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) References: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.204:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.204:from]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bz6bb3q45z3D7q X-Spamd-Bar: --- Mark Johnston wrote on Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 13:00:45 UTC : > The branch main has been updated by markj: >=20 > URL: = https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D66c75fa63aff40e9c587345b2cc6b814= 8e396de8 >=20 > commit 66c75fa63aff40e9c587345b2cc6b8148e396de8 > Author: Mark Johnston > AuthorDate: 2025-08-06 20:36:05 +0000 > Commit: Mark Johnston > CommitDate: 2025-08-08 12:51:54 +0000 >=20 > freebsd-update: Fix the pkgbase check >=20 > Even on a pkgbase system, it should be possible to use freebsd-update = -j > to upgrade a non-pkgbase jail, at least for the time being. However, > the check_pkgbase() call came before get_params, so BASEDIR was always > set to /. >=20 > Make check_pkgbase() a pure function and call it after get_params(). > While here, use pkg -r ${BASEDIR} instead of pkg -c ${BASEDIR} since = the > latter requires root privileges. Does this -r vs -c change have consequences such as which /var/cache/pkg/ or whatever is updated (or if such is updated)? In other words, can -r fully substitute for -c? (If it could, I'd wonder why -c even exists.) Might there be uninstended conseqeucnes to the change? May be the pkg man page should be more explicit about when to use -r vs. -c for the base dir? > freebsd-update is supposed to be run > as root, but it doesn't actually check this that I can see, so let's = not > make that assumption here since it affects the result of the function > (i.e., pkg -c ${BASEDIR} always fails as a non-root user). >=20 > Reviewed by: des > Fixes: 856e158dc4aa ("freebsd-update: improve pkgbase check") > MFC after: 2 weeks > Differential Revision: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D51770 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Fri Aug 8 15:58:02 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bz7wr2rTFz645Wt for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 15:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marklmi@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic317-20.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic317-20.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.66.146]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bz7wq1wLmz3cJC for ; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e42cba71a875ca40c65fa54e3657ff3a; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 15:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages: a question [Trying to avoid being part of other somewhat-related discussions] From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 08:58:02 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> To: =?utf-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs_Daniel_Colmenares_Oviedo?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.66.146:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.66.146:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bz7wq1wLmz3cJC X-Spamd-Bar: --- On Aug 6, 2025, at 22:44, Jes=C3=BAs Daniel Colmenares Oviedo = wrote: > Perhaps something like this (with a few additions): >=20 > ``` > pkg query %n | grep -vEe '^(FreeBSD-.+)' | xargs pkg remove -n && pkg = autoremove -n && pkg clean -n > ``` "pkg delete -a" (no -f) is documented to exclude deletion of pkg itself. So, may be: pkg query %n | grep -v -Ee '^(FreeBSD-.+)' -Ee '^(pkg)' | xargs pkg = remove -n && pkg autoremove -n && pkg clean -n Also: I'm not sure that pkg clean -n is appropriate for main or stable/* where the upstream updates can happen multiple times per day and could easily lead to removals from /var/cache/pkg/ between deliberate pkgbase updates. WARNING: Last I tried, "pkg delete -a" in a pkgbase context left pkg present --but broken!-- by deleting system things pkg and pkg-static needed to be operational. pkg-static tries to run other programs --and so is not fully self contained to be fully operational, despite its static build. I've not analyzed the transitive closure of the indirect usage. As for /usr/local/sbin/pkg : a lot has to be in place just for t he libraries to load (the below example is based on what I happen to be currently running, a main [os: 15] context): In short form . . . # ldd /usr/local/sbin/pkg /usr/local/sbin/pkg: libelf.so.2 =3D> /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x6b7b34403000) libjail.so.1 =3D> /lib/libjail.so.1 (0x6b7b34881000) libm.so.5 =3D> /lib/libm.so.5 (0x6b7b3d540000) libarchive.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7 (0x6b7b45240000) libz.so.6 =3D> /lib/libz.so.6 (0x6b7b34f22000) libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x6b7b35e79000) libssl.so.30 =3D> /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x6b7b4cc60000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x6b7b36200000) libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x6b7b37092000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x6b7b37600000) libbz2.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4 (0x6b7b37b2b000) liblzma.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5 (0x6b7b58660000) libbsdxml.so.4 =3D> /lib/libbsdxml.so.4 (0x6b7b3856c000) libprivatezstd.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5 = (0x6b7b64080000) libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x6b7b6d8b0000) libmd.so.7 =3D> /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x6b7b3940b000) libelf.so.2 and libjail.so.1 are unique compared to /usr/sbin/pkg . (See below.) Even /usr/sbin/pkg needs a lot of libraries to be loaded in order to operate: In short form . . . # ldd /usr/sbin/pkg /usr/sbin/pkg: libarchive.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7 (0x650fcbbe0000) libfetch.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libfetch.so.6 (0x650fbaffd000) libprivateucl.so.1 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivateucl.so.1 = (0x650fbb7c1000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x650fbba00000) libssl.so.30 =3D> /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x650fd36f0000) libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x650fbc29e000) libmd.so.7 =3D> /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x650fb9bf2000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x650fbe000000) libz.so.6 =3D> /lib/libz.so.6 (0x650fbc96c000) libbz2.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4 (0x650fbab03000) liblzma.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5 (0x650fe1cf0000) libbsdxml.so.4 =3D> /lib/libbsdxml.so.4 (0x650fbe53d000) libprivatezstd.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5 = (0x650fe6f60000) libm.so.5 =3D> /lib/libm.so.5 (0x650fea7b0000) libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x650fbdb6a000) libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x650ff7d40000) libfetch.so.6 and libprivateucl.so.1 are unique compared to /usr/local/sbin/pkg . (See earlier.) In long form, tracing dependencies, those are: # ldd -a /usr/local/sbin/pkg /usr/local/sbin/pkg: libelf.so.2 =3D> /lib/libelf.so.2 (0x675c6aa14000) libjail.so.1 =3D> /lib/libjail.so.1 (0x675c6b4da000) libm.so.5 =3D> /lib/libm.so.5 (0x675c6c480000) libarchive.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7 (0x675c702b0000) libz.so.6 =3D> /lib/libz.so.6 (0x675c6c62d000) libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x675c6c93b000) libssl.so.30 =3D> /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x675c7ed40000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x675c6d400000) libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x675c6e7f5000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libelf.so.2: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libjail.so.1: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libm.so.5: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7: libz.so.6 =3D> /lib/libz.so.6 (0x675c6c62d000) libbz2.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4 (0x675c6f34c000) liblzma.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5 (0x675c7f1d0000) libbsdxml.so.4 =3D> /lib/libbsdxml.so.4 (0x675c71aaa000) libprivatezstd.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5 = (0x675c8e1b0000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x675c6d400000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libz.so.6: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libutil.so.9: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /usr/lib/libssl.so.30: libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x675c6d400000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libcrypto.so.30: libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x675c6e7f5000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libthr.so.3: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x675c98c80000) /lib/libc.so.7: libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x675c98c80000) /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5: libmd.so.7 =3D> /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x675c72717000) libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x675c6e7f5000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libbsdxml.so.4: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5: libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x675c6e7f5000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) /lib/libmd.so.7: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x675c71200000) # ldd -a /usr/sbin/pkg /usr/sbin/pkg: libarchive.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7 (0x7e8bfc380000) libfetch.so.6 =3D> /usr/lib/libfetch.so.6 (0x7e8bf18e2000) libprivateucl.so.1 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivateucl.so.1 = (0x7e8bf1d74000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x7e8bf5600000) libssl.so.30 =3D> /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x7e8c09220000) libutil.so.9 =3D> /lib/libutil.so.9 (0x7e8bf2282000) libmd.so.7 =3D> /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x7e8bf31d1000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libarchive.so.7: libz.so.6 =3D> /lib/libz.so.6 (0x7e8bf4e96000) libbz2.so.4 =3D> /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4 (0x7e8bf696f000) liblzma.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5 (0x7e8c0b8a0000) libbsdxml.so.4 =3D> /lib/libbsdxml.so.4 (0x7e8bf6c0b000) libprivatezstd.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5 = (0x7e8c0c790000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x7e8bf5600000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libfetch.so.6: libssl.so.30 =3D> /usr/lib/libssl.so.30 (0x7e8c09220000) libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x7e8bf5600000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libprivateucl.so.1: libm.so.5 =3D> /lib/libm.so.5 (0x7e8c19580000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libcrypto.so.30: libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x7e8bf7348000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libssl.so.30: libcrypto.so.30 =3D> /lib/libcrypto.so.30 (0x7e8bf5600000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libutil.so.9: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libmd.so.7: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libc.so.7: libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x7e8c25550000) /lib/libz.so.6: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libbz2.so.4: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/liblzma.so.5: libmd.so.7 =3D> /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x7e8bf31d1000) libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x7e8bf7348000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libbsdxml.so.4: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /usr/lib/libprivatezstd.so.5: libthr.so.3 =3D> /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x7e8bf7348000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libm.so.5: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) /lib/libthr.so.3: libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x7e8bf6400000) libsys.so.7 =3D> /lib/libsys.so.7 (0x7e8c25550000) > On 8/6/25 23:42, Mark Millard wrote: >> Is there a known alternative to the command: >>=20 >> chroot /FBSDFSSDroot-mnt/ pkg-static delete -a >>=20 >> that would only delete port-packages, even if the >> chroot's world was based on a pkgbase world >> installation? >>=20 >> If yes, what would the command be like? >=20 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Fri Aug 8 17:34:27 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzB3n0ZZlz64GLY; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 17:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzB3m6ML2z4Dd6; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 17:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754674468; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8u0+aHQWOBL0jP4CbvJhBsiJqbyG6wf1z1iPvtRQ9P4=; b=bakj0A9f7F/32KZ6KiIhMR4alTDn0ZFKTWgFJjyLrEEZ1yS7JWBUhmG3skDFU8g7WmBcIp eZyPPkok5zK8/pmE1szwoMJVCyXQGKPGTEItA3LZUNtMmiQGUUOafOwOOhqwZ5/slEzC4B UH+oZSwtoX3AWVoOBenrjmkLCNB3ds7xYMk3fsR+9gAiCpu6RKOTuTqlvvNMRPgL17vhn8 pHZ4TwVZC9ol7HeWEBQAGy93aY2AeilDFDHdQ1lDy9hO6ZCJt87ryR9VcNi2dgrUGBkMib UwvDlld+IQtMd2CU8iDpo7xganCrOe/QUzi7BgVRk6ec6qUjrn8nJMW5czpgvQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754674468; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8u0+aHQWOBL0jP4CbvJhBsiJqbyG6wf1z1iPvtRQ9P4=; b=IjQMAxX0VhKAdjEQltJaAafOUbzrjkUg+Y8Fhrm2pZcIAOXjduRl1+Z7OfLWeZtzEqkWSV T2GoVeMtf6LGMxPdnCrEmH7ramoUvoMmbLODbeAEdFXzv7oOeUTQ8kBhZgeR8y0mZCHSQv u1F78dyQwd5xFTaxo0n/Ywyew9WPO6XNWa7OAuIJgVbQ4UhTt8F32tgIeL5crn11xwAnrB rAI2dHu8SBb/XqTOu1s0mmgwVRjT26WOJzBBzXfHgzM+wDUWQT+IAV+Dnb0+vgE5ZAw3dB 61NBPdW1xROYFDKeUvaK7BVkYS483hT/JP6mgCHxUg4JzHkCsLmU4suoKJmUSw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754674468; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TTOAjr8powzM8gVZHJcXeLR8iqkb3oJefpnipfSV6zRkUdWAXj0YHm6BeK2WrDLy0awWIB 9CmttN0ZPS2xM62Yymuq7SriV+eKF17f9wUuLetVqANcxOVHKgEJfm23HR+yLvStVbrZoy HMct5sbvWMy6NFDVSyOCQ2AVyDM5mowr30dqTE0wvQSvhsMG5hy/8401Aa61a5ERF7mZgT ETAEFJN5AOqiD9GmaZ9WvwyvSu6pI0TdZT2FMc1/GEOLBqDwIA0jAtbYsDn/8rYjlYE/kF Q0RabaFW7EQb9yRcu70ofUZpBmXJwKqK9Sk3FuWkCHZ6L+CqjWqQ/ekQ8NywJg== Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bzB3m4wSWzM6x; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 17:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E2DC12A29; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 19:34:27 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Mark Millard Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs?= Daniel Colmenares Oviedo , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Deletion of just installed port-packages: a question [Trying to avoid being part of other somewhat-related discussions] In-Reply-To: (Mark Millard's message of "Fri, 8 Aug 2025 08:58:02 -0700") References: <7d8a6b67-700c-47ac-8484-d6a45961a9c4@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 19:34:27 +0200 Message-ID: <861ppl3efw.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Millard writes: > Also: I'm not sure that pkg clean -n is appropriate for main or > stable/* where the upstream updates can happen multiple times per day > and could easily lead to removals from /var/cache/pkg/ between > deliberate pkgbase updates. imo `pkg clean` without -f (which it currently doesn't have) should not remove a cached file, even if out of date, if it corresponds to the version that's currently installed. That's not currently the case, but it should be relatively easy to implement. 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The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- Open | 220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages Open | 219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pkg confused, installs older ver New | 284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w Open | 268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera In Progress | 287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro Open | 264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_ 6 problems total for which you should take action. --17548596190.8ECA2609A.27741 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 21:00:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 
The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users,
which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering
all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Status      |    Bug Id | Description
------------+-----------+---------------------------------------------------
Open        |    220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages
Open        |    219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg:  pkg confused, installs older ver
New         |    284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w
Open        |    268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera
In Progress |    287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro
Open        |    264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_

6 problems total for which you should take action.
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