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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID aba060bbd76adbbc1827d40a304b0e00; Mon, 01 Sep 2025 00:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, vfs.zfs.arc.free_target, vfs.zfs.arc.sys_free, vm.pageout_oom_seq From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 17:03:53 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <29ff7f7e-12ef-4d10-8ca4-15ae35ce6bae@gmail.com> <19251E67-BC92-4D71-9E71-6C7546A46D8C@yahoo.com> <9300201D-9D53-449B-9F0A-DFF6194B2830@yahoo.com> <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cFTcs2N3dz4K3W On Aug 31, 2025, at 12:01, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 31/08/2025 09:38, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> So 4 GiBytyes of RAM is insufficient, even with use of: = vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >>=20 >> Note: In this context increases is not going to help: it is way too = little RAM >> for pkg. (I was observing via top at the time.) >>=20 >> If pkg continues to require such RAM+SWAP usage, FreeBSD is going to = end up >> requiring more than, say, 5 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP, even for UFS = contexts. >>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> For reference, see: >>=20 >> = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase/2025-August/000804.html= >>=20 >> with details of my test context (where swap was in use). >=20 >=20 > Interesting. >=20 > Here, with faster storage for a new guest, 1,024 MB base memory was = enough =E2=80=93 for both UFS and ZFS =E2=80=93 as outlined below. >=20 > ---- >=20 >=20 > VirtualBox > bidirectional shared clipboard > 1 GB memory > EFI > four processors > PAE/NX > VBoxSVGA > FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > disable host I/O cache > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 > UFS > 3 G swap So you are specifying (RAM+SWAP) being 4 GiBytes, not a 1 GiByte = context, given the memory pattern is that dirty pages are making it to the = laundry instead of staying active. What sort of (Maximum) Swap Used figures were being reported by the likes of top? > install all components > pkbasify conversion before first boot (519 packages) > first boot > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 > pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > pkg upgrade -fFqy > pkg upgrade -fUy > 1353 packages > 2601 steps > success > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D12 > pkg upgrade -fUy > success >=20 > ---- >=20 >=20 > The same with ZFS. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID deb93fe750c14d381aa56f69741a8cdb; Mon, 01 Sep 2025 02:57:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: I just made a typo in a glob pattern for a pkg delete -g (no -a and no force) and mistakenly then selected Y, leading to partial partial system destruction before I stopped it Message-Id: <2D0ADC7D-3D12-46E3-905B-7B6CA56FEB36@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 19:57:35 -0700 To: Graham Perrin , FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) References: <2D0ADC7D-3D12-46E3-905B-7B6CA56FEB36.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkg@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.66.147:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.66.147:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cFYTF5yttz3PjV Graham Perrin wrote on Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2025 01:34:00 UTC : > On 31/08/2025 20:59, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 > > (The glob pattern was expected to match a lot of port-packages, more > > than shows in a window in the context.) > > > > I really wish that the likes of: > > > > # pkg delete -r FreeBSD-ports -g . . . > > > > was supported =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 > Is it not supported? The not supported "it" here is: -r FreeBSD-ports SYNOPSIS pkg delete [-DfnqRy] [-Cgix] pkg-name ... pkg delete [-Dnqy] -a pkg delete [--{no-scripts,force,dry-run,quiet,recursive,yes}] [--{case-sensitive,glob,case-insensitive,regex}] pkg-name ... pkg delete [--{no-scripts,dry-run,quiet,yes}] --all There is no such notation defined for "pkg delete". (Sorry for not making it clear which part of the text was at issue.) In other words, the ability to directly limit the activity to a specific repository. With that it would not matter if a pattern happens to also match names in FreeBSD-base, for example. It is harder to generate sufficiently unique patterns when names from all enabled repositories have to be considered. Also, some typos could match names from repositories that were not intended. > I see 'pkg-name ...' at the tail of the third of the four synopsis=20 > lines,=20 > = . 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7aaba6312d010ce98f8334c59f039369; Tue, 02 Sep 2025 18:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, vfs.zfs.arc.free_target, vfs.zfs.arc.sys_free, vm.pageout_oom_seq [Notes about error messages during and RAM+SWAP requirements, UFS context] From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 11:19:41 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73877048-A3B4-4920-AC92-A8C7A4FF83B5@yahoo.com> References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <29ff7f7e-12ef-4d10-8ca4-15ae35ce6bae@gmail.com> <19251E67-BC92-4D71-9E71-6C7546A46D8C@yahoo.com> <9300201D-9D53-449B-9F0A-DFF6194B2830@yahoo.com> <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.147:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.147:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cGYtk4trdz3Slr On Aug 31, 2025, at 12:01, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 31/08/2025 09:38, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> So 4 GiBytyes of RAM is insufficient, even with use of: = vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >>=20 >> Note: In this context increases is not going to help: it is way too = little RAM >> for pkg. (I was observing via top at the time.) >>=20 >> If pkg continues to require such RAM+SWAP usage, FreeBSD is going to = end up >> requiring more than, say, 5 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP, even for UFS = contexts. >>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> For reference, see: >>=20 >> = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase/2025-August/000804.html= >>=20 >> with details of my test context (where swap was in use). >=20 >=20 > Interesting. >=20 > Here, with faster storage for a new guest, 1,024 MB base memory was = enough =E2=80=93 for both UFS and ZFS =E2=80=93 as outlined below. >=20 > ---- >=20 >=20 > VirtualBox > bidirectional shared clipboard > 1 GB memory > EFI > four processors > PAE/NX > VBoxSVGA > FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso > disable host I/O cache > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 > UFS > 3 G swap > install all components > pkbasify conversion before first boot (519 packages) > first boot > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 The notes here are about the following sequence of 4 commands: > pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > pkg upgrade -fFqy > pkg upgrade -fUy In a 14.3-Stable amd64 UFS context the above command sequence: 1) Will probably OOM on a system with 1 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, even for the first install command. 2) The sequence of 4 commands used (RAM+SWAP): 1024 MiBytes + 2312 MiBytes (observed maximum) (So between 3 and 4 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP overall.) 3) So will OOM on a system with 2 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, overall. 4) generates the error messages shown by: # grep -e ^pkg: -e ^ELF = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | sort -u ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found, error 2 pkg: Cannot runscript DEINSTALL:No such file or directory pkg: Cannot runscript POST-DEINSTALL:No such file or directory pkg: Cannot runscript POST-INSTALL:No such file or directory pkg: Cannot runscript PRE-INSTALL:No such file or directory pkg: POST-INSTALL script failed # grep -e ^pkg: -e ^ELF = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 501 All these happen during the "pkg upgrade -fUy". I give more details later below. > 1353 packages > 2601 steps > success > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D12 > pkg upgrade -fUy > success >=20 > ---- >=20 >=20 > The same with ZFS. Success with, then without, the increased = vm.pageout_oom_seq Other information for the text context: RAM: 1024 MiByte RAM+SWAP: 3584 MiByte vm.pageout_oom_seq: 120 # uname -apKU FreeBSD FBSDamd64S 14.3-STABLE FreeBSD 14.3-STABLE = stable/14-n272276-b06973a2f2a8 GENERIC amd64 amd64 1403506 1403506 # pkg -v 2.2.2 pkg was the only port-package already installed at the start of the command sequence. The counts of instances of the 6 individual error message types were: # grep -e ^ELF ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc = -l 44 # grep -e "^pkg:.* DEINSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 21 # grep -e "^pkg:.*POST-DEINSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 378 # grep -e "^pkg: .* POST-INSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 50 # grep -e "^pkg: .* PRE-INSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 2 # grep -e "^pkg: POST-INSTALL script failed" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l 6 The RAM+SWAP usage for the sequence progressed as below, where a top variant monitored system Maximum Observed Used figures: # pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg . . . Number of packages to be installed: 834 . . . Swap: 121500Ki MaxObsUsed, and 1085Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) with max 1085Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time # pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg . . . Number of packages to be installed: 834 . . . Swap: 585012Ki MaxObsUsed, and 1489Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) with max 1521Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time # pkg upgrade -fFqy Swap: 1760Mi MaxObsUsed, and 2726Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) with max 2726Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time NOTE: The upgrade command below also involved all the FreeBSD-* base packages as well. In my context that was all of them: # pkg info -g "FreeBSD-*" | wc -l 534 # pkg upgrade -fUy Checking for upgrades (1369 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (1369 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... . . . Number of packages to be upgraded: 534 Number of packages to be reinstalled: 835 [1/2628] Deinstalling FreeBSD-acct-dbg-14.snap20250831004235... . . . Swap: 2312Mi MaxObsUsed, and 3192Mi MaxObsMaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) with max 3225Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time So, absent SWAP being enabled, it takes a 4 GiByte system to avoid OOM activity for the whole sequence in my context. Otherwise RAM+SWAP needs to be about that big. Other experiments with a different set of port-packages had an example of needing a 6 GiByte system if SWAP was not enabled. Otherwise RAM+SWAP needs to be about that big. I've no clue what combination of port-packages would need the most RAM+SWAP for "pkg upgrade -fUy". 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(I was observing via top at the time.) >>>=20 >>> If pkg continues to require such RAM+SWAP usage, FreeBSD is going to = end up >>> requiring more than, say, 5 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP, even for UFS = contexts. >>>=20 >>>> =E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> For reference, see: >>>=20 >>> = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase/2025-August/000804.html= >>>=20 >>> with details of my test context (where swap was in use). >>=20 >>=20 >> Interesting. >>=20 >> Here, with faster storage for a new guest, 1,024 MB base memory was = enough =E2=80=93 for both UFS and ZFS =E2=80=93 as outlined below. >>=20 >> ---- >>=20 >>=20 >> VirtualBox >> bidirectional shared clipboard >> 1 GB memory >> EFI >> four processors >> PAE/NX >> VBoxSVGA >> FreeBSD-14.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso >> disable host I/O cache >> vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >> UFS >> 3 G swap >> install all components >> pkbasify conversion before first boot (519 packages) >> first boot >> vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >=20 > The notes here are about the following sequence of 4 commands: >=20 >> pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >> pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >> pkg upgrade -fFqy >> pkg upgrade -fUy >=20 > In a 14.3-Stable amd64 UFS context the above command sequence: >=20 > 1) Will probably OOM on a system with 1 GiByte of RAM but no swap = space, > even for the first install command. >=20 > 2) The sequence of 4 commands used (RAM+SWAP): > 1024 MiBytes + 2312 MiBytes (observed maximum) > (So between 3 and 4 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP overall.) >=20 > 3) So will OOM on a system with 2 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, > overall. >=20 > 4) generates the error messages shown by: >=20 > # grep -e ^pkg: -e ^ELF = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | sort -u > ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found, error 2 > pkg: Cannot runscript DEINSTALL:No such file or directory > pkg: Cannot runscript POST-DEINSTALL:No such file or directory > pkg: Cannot runscript POST-INSTALL:No such file or directory > pkg: Cannot runscript PRE-INSTALL:No such file or directory > pkg: POST-INSTALL script failed >=20 > # grep -e ^pkg: -e ^ELF = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 501 >=20 > All these happen during the "pkg upgrade -fUy". >=20 > I give more details later below. >=20 >> 1353 packages >> 2601 steps >> success >> vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D12 >> pkg upgrade -fUy >> success >>=20 >> ---- >>=20 >>=20 >> The same with ZFS. Success with, then without, the increased = vm.pageout_oom_seq >=20 >=20 > Other information for the text context: >=20 > RAM: 1024 MiByte > RAM+SWAP: 3584 MiByte > vm.pageout_oom_seq: 120 >=20 > # uname -apKU > FreeBSD FBSDamd64S 14.3-STABLE FreeBSD 14.3-STABLE = stable/14-n272276-b06973a2f2a8 GENERIC amd64 amd64 1403506 1403506 >=20 > # pkg -v > 2.2.2 >=20 > pkg was the only port-package already installed at the start of > the command sequence. >=20 >=20 > The counts of instances of the 6 individual error message types > were: >=20 > # grep -e ^ELF ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc = -l > 44 >=20 > # grep -e "^pkg:.* DEINSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 21 >=20 > # grep -e "^pkg:.*POST-DEINSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 378 >=20 > # grep -e "^pkg: .* POST-INSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 50 >=20 > # grep -e "^pkg: .* PRE-INSTALL" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 2 >=20 > # grep -e "^pkg: POST-INSTALL script failed" = ~/mmjnk-pkg-1GiByteRAM-3p5GiByteSWAPspace-test.txt | wc -l > 6 >=20 >=20 > The RAM+SWAP usage for the sequence progressed as below, > where a top variant monitored system Maximum Observed > Used figures: >=20 >=20 > # pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > . . . > Number of packages to be installed: 834 > . . . >=20 > Swap: 121500Ki MaxObsUsed, > and 1085Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) > with max 1085Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time >=20 >=20 > # pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg > . . . > Number of packages to be installed: 834 > . . . >=20 > Swap: 585012Ki MaxObsUsed, > and 1489Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) > with max 1521Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time >=20 >=20 > # pkg upgrade -fFqy >=20 > Swap: 1760Mi MaxObsUsed, > and 2726Mi MaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) > with max 2726Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time >=20 >=20 > NOTE: The upgrade command below also involved all the FreeBSD-* base > packages as well. In my context that was all of them: > # pkg info -g "FreeBSD-*" | wc -l > 534 >=20 > # pkg upgrade -fUy > Checking for upgrades (1369 candidates): 100% > Processing candidates (1369 candidates): 100% > Checking integrity... > . . . > Number of packages to be upgraded: 534 > Number of packages to be reinstalled: 835 > [1/2628] Deinstalling FreeBSD-acct-dbg-14.snap20250831004235... > . . . >=20 > Swap: 2312Mi MaxObsUsed, > and 3192Mi MaxObsMaxObs(Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed) > with max 3225Mi (Active+Wir+Lndry+SwapUsed+InAct) at the time >=20 >=20 > So, absent SWAP being enabled, it takes a 4 GiByte system > to avoid OOM activity for the whole sequence in my context. > Otherwise RAM+SWAP needs to be about that big. >=20 >=20 > Other experiments with a different set of port-packages had > an example of needing a 6 GiByte system if SWAP was not > enabled. Otherwise RAM+SWAP needs to be about that big. >=20 > I've no clue what combination of port-packages would > need the most RAM+SWAP for "pkg upgrade -fUy". >=20 >=20 > As stands, various pkg commands may need to have documented > warnings about RAM+SWAP requirements. >=20 Some extra information for excluding FreeBSD-base via "pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-ports -fUy" . . . Note: the below produced just the 4 error messages: pkg: unlinkat(usr/local/share/mime/x-scheme-handler/): No such file or = directory pkg: unlinkat(usr/local/share/mime/uri/): No such file or directory pkg: unlinkat(usr/local/share/mime/print/): No such file or directory pkg: unlinkat(usr/local/share/mime/all/): No such file or directory # pkg upgrade -r FreeBSD-ports -fUy Checking for upgrades (1369 candidates): 100% Processing candidates (1369 candidates): 100% Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) The following 835 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): . . . Number of packages to be reinstalled: 835 [1/1607] Deinstalling firefox-142.0.1_1,2... . . . 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grahamperrin]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::42a:from]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cHKjP1ddNz42pQ On 02/09/2025 19:19, Mark Millard wrote: > On Aug 31, 2025, at 12:01, Graham Perrin wrote: > >> … > The notes here are about the following sequence of 4 commands: > >> pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >> pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >> pkg upgrade -fFqy >> pkg upgrade -fUy > In a 14.3-Stable amd64 UFS context the above command sequence: > > 1) Will probably OOM on a system with 1 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, > even for the first install command. > > 2) The sequence of 4 commands used (RAM+SWAP): > 1024 MiBytes + 2312 MiBytes (observed maximum) > (So between 3 and 4 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP overall.) > > 3) So will OOM on a system with 2 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, > overall. > > … Here, with 3 G, fast storage, and swap off: UFS and ZFS seemed much the same. RELEASE, quarterly. UFS (dmesg: 2928 MB avail memory) ================================= Fourth command (pkg upgrade -fUy). First run failed. vm.pageout_oom_seq=120 Second and third runs (not consecutive to the first): success. For the third run, I reduced vm.pageout_oom_seq to its default (12). ZFS (dmesg: 2920 MB avail memory) ================================= Four consecutive runs of the fourth command. Two runs with vm.pageout_oom_seq=120: success. Third and fourth runs with vm.pageout_oom_seq=12: - the third run failed almost immediately, before step 1 of 2601 - the fourth run succeeded. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c4b0b073a72e3a2536b07ce00f64a2b8; Thu, 04 Sep 2025 00:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, vm.pageout_oom_seq: swap off: UFS, ZFS From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <2f455675-609b-40b5-9dab-5f006156bac6@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 17:53:31 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36F5A8E1-7F72-48C0-A8D7-428E91488B70@yahoo.com> References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <29ff7f7e-12ef-4d10-8ca4-15ae35ce6bae@gmail.com> <19251E67-BC92-4D71-9E71-6C7546A46D8C@yahoo.com> <9300201D-9D53-449B-9F0A-DFF6194B2830@yahoo.com> <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> <73877048-A3B4-4920-AC92-A8C7A4FF83B5@yahoo.com> <2f455675-609b-40b5-9dab-5f006156bac6@gmail.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cHLZl4lKnz46Pc On Sep 3, 2025, at 17:14, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 02/09/2025 19:19, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Aug 31, 2025, at 12:01, Graham Perrin = wrote: >>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >> The notes here are about the following sequence of 4 commands: >>=20 >>> pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >>> pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >>> pkg upgrade -fFqy >>> pkg upgrade -fUy >> In a 14.3-Stable amd64 UFS context the above command sequence: >>=20 >> 1) Will probably OOM on a system with 1 GiByte of RAM but no swap = space, >> even for the first install command. >>=20 >> 2) The sequence of 4 commands used (RAM+SWAP): >> 1024 MiBytes + 2312 MiBytes (observed maximum) >> (So between 3 and 4 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP overall.) >>=20 >> 3) So will OOM on a system with 2 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, >> overall. >>=20 >> =E2=80=A6 First I'll note: ports-mgmt/pkg-devel now has a commit that includes: "add: backout support for provides/requires" that is described with: "Performance penalty is still to big, a new approach with no performance penalty will be tested later" on the upstream githib. This may make current testing irrelevant relative to the future. > Here, with 3 G, fast storage, and swap off: UFS and ZFS seemed much = the same. >=20 > RELEASE, quarterly. >=20 >=20 > UFS (dmesg: 2928 MB avail memory) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Fourth command (pkg upgrade -fUy). >=20 > First run failed. vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 Not good news for folks with small arm boards or the like: unreliable. > Second and third runs (not consecutive to the first): success. For the = third run, I reduced vm.pageout_oom_seq to its default (12). You do not report observations of how large the Swap Used got to be for any of your runs, failed or working ones. >=20 > ZFS (dmesg: 2920 MB avail memory) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Four consecutive runs of the fourth command. >=20 > Two runs with vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120: success. Third and fourth runs = with vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D12: >=20 > - the third run failed almost immediately, before step 1 of 2601 >=20 > - the fourth run succeeded. Also unreliable. No Swap Used figures for this either. It is not clear what runs might be "barely fit" vs. what runs might be "lots of margin". Nor is there a scale to the variability that you are reporting. One possible (likely?) difference in your tests and mine is what I reported about which base packages were installed for my test context: all of them (534 or so if I remember right), even the debug information. That contributes to what the "pkg upgrade -fUy" activity is. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c316c7751dcabb938ea05c28bd1aea1b; Thu, 04 Sep 2025 01:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, vm.pageout_oom_seq: swap off: UFS, ZFS From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <36F5A8E1-7F72-48C0-A8D7-428E91488B70@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 18:50:22 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <29ff7f7e-12ef-4d10-8ca4-15ae35ce6bae@gmail.com> <19251E67-BC92-4D71-9E71-6C7546A46D8C@yahoo.com> <9300201D-9D53-449B-9F0A-DFF6194B2830@yahoo.com> <6d1606ac-8ad0-4f15-96c7-30c6f50ca9b9@gmail.com> <73877048-A3B4-4920-AC92-A8C7A4FF83B5@yahoo.com> <2f455675-609b-40b5-9dab-5f006156bac6@gmail.com> <36F5A8E1-7F72-48C0-A8D7-428E91488B70@yahoo.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cHMrJ5Pkqz3DnP On Sep 3, 2025, at 17:53, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 > On Sep 3, 2025, at 17:14, Graham Perrin = wrote: >=20 >> On 02/09/2025 19:19, Mark Millard wrote: >>=20 >>> On Aug 31, 2025, at 12:01, Graham Perrin = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> =E2=80=A6 >>> The notes here are about the following sequence of 4 commands: >>>=20 >>>> pkg install -Fy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >>>> pkg install -Uy firefox gitup htop hw-probe kde lsblk lynx nano = pciutils plasma6-sddm-kcm roxterm sddm stressdisk uclcmd usbutils = virtualbox-ose-additions xfce xorg >>>> pkg upgrade -fFqy >>>> pkg upgrade -fUy >>> In a 14.3-Stable amd64 UFS context the above command sequence: >>>=20 >>> 1) Will probably OOM on a system with 1 GiByte of RAM but no swap = space, >>> even for the first install command. >>>=20 >>> 2) The sequence of 4 commands used (RAM+SWAP): >>> 1024 MiBytes + 2312 MiBytes (observed maximum) >>> (So between 3 and 4 GiBytes of RAM+SWAP overall.) >>>=20 >>> 3) So will OOM on a system with 2 GiByte of RAM but no swap space, >>> overall. >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >=20 > First I'll note: >=20 > ports-mgmt/pkg-devel now has a commit that includes: "add: backout > support for provides/requires" that is described with: "Performance > penalty is still to big, a new approach with no performance penalty > will be tested later" on the upstream githib. >=20 > This may make current testing irrelevant relative to the future. >=20 >> Here, with 3 G, fast storage, and swap off: UFS and ZFS seemed much = the same. >>=20 >> RELEASE, quarterly. >>=20 >>=20 >> UFS (dmesg: 2928 MB avail memory) >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>=20 >> Fourth command (pkg upgrade -fUy). >>=20 >> First run failed. vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >=20 > Not good news for folks with small arm boards > or the like: unreliable. >=20 >> Second and third runs (not consecutive to the first): success. For = the third run, I reduced vm.pageout_oom_seq to its default (12). >=20 > You do not report observations of how large the > Swap Used got to be for any of your runs, failed > or working ones. Sorry for basing the Swap Used notes on an incompletely expressed thought --vastly unexpressed in fact. Having RAM+SWAP at a given figure, say 3072 MiBytes, leads to seeing what memory pressure does based on how much RAM+MaxObserveredSwapUsed ends up being (if RAM is small enough that SWAP ends up used to some non-trivial degree such that InAct ends up fairly small and likely dirty pages). This is tied to largely eliminating Clean InAct pages before using SWAP fairly generally. (SWAP gets dirty pages.) It is difficult to get roughly similar information absent the SWAP being involved and the system trying to avoid most unnecessary use of it. >> ZFS (dmesg: 2920 MB avail memory) >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>=20 >> Four consecutive runs of the fourth command. >>=20 >> Two runs with vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120: success. Third and fourth = runs with vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D12: >>=20 >> - the third run failed almost immediately, before step 1 of 2601 >>=20 >> - the fourth run succeeded. >=20 > Also unreliable. No Swap Used figures for this either. Again: Sorry for basing the Swap Used notes on an incompletely expressed thought. > It is not clear what runs might be "barely fit" vs. > what runs might be "lots of margin". Nor is there a > scale to the variability that you are reporting. >=20 > One possible (likely?) difference in your tests and mine > is what I reported about which base packages were installed > for my test context: all of them (534 or so if I remember > right), even the debug information. That contributes to what > the "pkg upgrade -fUy" activity is. >=20 > Another is that the test was based on booting and using > a USB3 memory stick SSD, not large U.2 or PCIe Optane > media or something else comparatively fast. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Thu Sep 4 07:17:05 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cHW540R4Sz6700p; Thu, 04 Sep 2025 07:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cHW531GQPz3n8Z; Thu, 04 Sep 2025 07:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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Thus my later note that did try to indicate why for what would be an example of monitoring "swap on" behavior (Swap Used sampling). > I began focusing on fast storage after realising that with slow = storage, there seems to be a massive risk reduction with > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 Yep. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Thu Sep 4 13:29:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cHgMJ1C68z662Cw; Thu, 04 Sep 2025 13:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cHgMH2XxPz3SLF; 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On 04/09/2025 01:53, Mark Millard wrote:
…

First I'll note:

ports-mgmt/pkg-devel now has a commit that includes: "add: backout
support for provides/requires" …


That might be for pkg-add(8), not for pkg-upgrade(8). 

<https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/commit/647fd0b0809e5995e5f5f15c5b17d4efc9f1e40b> changed two files (libpkg/pkg_add.c and tests/frontend/add.sh), but not src/upgrade.c

<https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/main/src/upgrade.c>

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REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cHkDH3kf6z3nsh On Sep 4, 2025, at 06:29, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 04/09/2025 01:53, Mark Millard wrote: >>>> =E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >> First I'll note: >>=20 >> ports-mgmt/pkg-devel now has a commit that includes: "add: backout >> support for provides/requires" =E2=80=A6 >=20 > That might be for pkg-add(8), not for pkg-upgrade(8).=20 > = changed two files (libpkg/pkg_add.c and tests/frontend/add.sh), = but not src/upgrade.c > True that I do not known if eliminating the extra information being involved in "pkg add" hasany consequences outside "pkg add" vs. not. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com From nobody Sat Sep 6 21:21:37 2025 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cK5kV0sMnz678Lr for ; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 81bde7bea8ae79f608ccbc5d16db584e; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, ZFS, swap on, vm.pageout_oom_seq From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <4e12afdc-7bcf-4a25-94b3-fe1562469ed9@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2025 21:11:54 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05351AB0-7BA7-4130-BBEE-CFB793ACFAB4@yahoo.com> References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <4e12afdc-7bcf-4a25-94b3-fe1562469ed9@gmail.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cKGrC0Zmpz3qRK On Sep 6, 2025, at 19:10, Graham Perrin wrote: > Kubuntu host, VirtualBox guest, pkg 2.2.2, 15.0-PRERELEASE. >=20 > Slow physical storage for the virtual drive: a mobile HDD on USB. >=20 > bsdinstall, ZFS, 8 G swap, pkgbase, all components, then: >=20 > |pkg install --glob 'FreeBSD-kernel-generic-nodebug*'| SIDE NOTE Side notes on future naming for stable/15 and later for 15 for FreeBSD-kernel-* . . . pkgbase is not updating FreeBSD:15:* at this point, not yet tracking changes from the transition to stable/15 . So the below is about futures at this point. I'll note 15.0-ALPHA* and later will use other kernel naming conventions than when it was main, vs. the type of content anyway. It may not provide all the variations that main provided. Under main's kernel package naming (left side) the base names might become like (right side): main =3D=3D=3D>>> stable/15 and later ---- ------------------- kernel-generic could become kernel-generic-debug (might not be = generated) kernel-generic-nodebug will(?) become kernel-generic kernel-minimal will stay unchanged(? debug vs. nodebug content?) kernel-generic-mmccam will stay unchanged(? debug vs. nodebug content?) The actual names in /boot/ also include some renamging vs. the type of content: kernel -> kernel.GENERIC-DEBUG/ (? if it is included) kernel.GENERIC-NODEBUG/ -> kernel/ kernel.MINIMAL/ will stay unchanged (? debug vs. nodebug = content?) kernel.GENERIC-MMCCAM/ will stay unchanged (? debug vs. nodebug = content?) Another potential difference visible via aarch64 (but not via amd64) is conflicts between kernel packages that supply the same file names under the same paths. main had a separate package for the *.dtb files involved for aarch64 (and armv7). stable/15 and later might bundle the *.dtb files in with the kernels. (stable/14 and later are this way --so it does not allow, say, both kernel-generic and kernel-generic-mmccam to be installed at the same time for aarch64.) So, 15 as main allowed aarch64 to have all the kernel's installed at the same time, but stable/14 does not. stable/15 might not. END SIDE NOTE > =3D 568 base packages. >=20 > vm.pageout_oom_seq=3D120 >=20 > After base installation: 1 G memory given to the guest, = GENERIC-NODEBUG, dmesg showed 932 MB avail. So you are saying at this point that the combination for RAM+SWAP inside the VM is: 1 GiByte RAM in VM and 8 GiByte SWAP in that VM as well? If yes, that should have produced a warning about potential mistuning when the Swap Space was enabled during the boot sequnce. The lines would look like: warning: total configured swap ( . . . pages) exceeds maximum = recommended amount ( . . . pages). warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap. The warning is not explicit about any tradeoffs involved for increasing kern.maxswzone . (Personally, I avoid using combinations that produce the warnings, since I do not have an understanding of the tradeoffs, including for leaving things as the messages report.) For 64-bit systems, having SWAP=3D3.6*RAM normally does not complain. SWAP=3D4*RAM complains. =46rom build to build the point for getting warnings moves some in that range. (This is based on experience, not calculations from what the kernel code does.) 3.6 was picked to have some margin. For 32-bit systems, the factor is notably smaller. > Fetch then install some FreeBSD-ports packages. =46rom = : >=20 > = |drm-kmodfirefoxgitupgothtophw-probekdelsblklynxnanopciutilsplasma6-sddm-k= cmroxtermsddmuclcmdusbutilsvirtualbox-ose-additionsxfcexorg| >=20 > =3D 965 non-base packages installed in 4 minutes, 33 seconds. >=20 > Then, at ttyv3: >=20 > htop >=20 > at ttyv2: >=20 > tail -f -n 0 /var/log/messages >=20 > at ttyv1: >=20 > |/usr/bin/time -h pkg upgrade -fqUy| >=20 > =3D a quiet forced upgrade of all packages, complete in 17 minutes, = 2.62 seconds. >=20 > >=20 > With htop, I observed swap usage sometimes above 2 G. Never 3 or more, = although I did not watch constantly. So, likely: (1+2) GiByte < RAM+MaxSwapUsed < (1+3) GiByte for the context presented. 4 GiByte --or more for allowing for variability or some growth. Note: a draft of pkg 2.3.0 had an Experimental Run and passed. It should avoid contributing to long build times on the official port-package builders. 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As expected: regardless of the mark, --force results in a downgrade from 2.2.99.2 to pkg-2.2.2 from FreeBSD-ports. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID aa45fce0094606119840a6110476b431; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 12:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: pkg upgrade, ZFS, swap on, vm.pageout_oom_seq From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 05:37:47 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A68B611-F412-48FB-964B-64C3AB0B4117@yahoo.com> References: <0dbf8c95-7697-4887-a890-335c3ccd80f1@gmail.com> <4e12afdc-7bcf-4a25-94b3-fe1562469ed9@gmail.com> <05351AB0-7BA7-4130-BBEE-CFB793ACFAB4@yahoo.com> To: Graham Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cKV3s3KtRz3QfZ On Sep 6, 2025, at 23:13, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 07/09/2025 05:11, Mark Millard wrote: >=20 >> On Sep 6, 2025, at 19:10, Graham Perrin = wrote: >>=20 >>> =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 >> =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> So you are saying at this point that the combination for >> RAM+SWAP inside the VM is: >>=20 >> 1 GiByte RAM in VM and 8 GiByte SWAP in that VM as well? >=20 >=20 > Yes. >=20 >=20 >> If yes, that should have produced a warning about potential >> mistuning =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 > True. >=20 > I spent years ignoring the kern.maxswzone warning, partly because I = never noticed any adverse effect from ignorance. When set to 16 G on = hardware with 32 G RAM, the amount of swap used was sometimes close to = the amount available. >=20 > Today I found the variable in loader_simp(8) under = , I'll be more explicit relative to this for how I've taken that text historically. QUOTE kern.maxswzone Limits the amount of KVM to be used to hold swap meta- data, which directly governs the maximum amount of swap the system can support, at the rate of approximately 200 MB of swap space per 1 MB of metadata. This value is specified in bytes of KVA space. If no value is pro- vided, the system allocates enough memory to handle an amount of swap that corresponds to eight times the amount of physical memory present in the system. END QUOTE The TheoreticalMaxSWAP=3D8*PHYSMEM figure is specific to 64-bit contexts, if I understand right. It is smaller for 32-bit contexts as far as I can tell. Certainly the warnings for 32-bit suggest so. QUOTE Note that swap metadata can be fragmented, which means that the system can run out of space before it reaches the theoretical limit. Therefore, care should be taken to not configure more swap than approximately half of the theoretical maximum. END QUOTE So, for 64-bit systems, closer to MaxSWAP=3D4*PHYSMEM. The warning show up at somewhat less than that. I'd guess that the kernel's calculations are the more accurate vs. the above wording. QUOTE Running out of space for swap metadata can leave the sys- tem in an unrecoverable state. Therefore, you should only change this parameter if you need to greatly extend the KVM reservation for other resources such as the buffer cache or kern.ipc.nmbclusters. Modifies kernel option VM_SWZONE_SIZE_MAX. END QUOTE I wonder if "only change the" should be "only increase the", as only that direction would seem to limit the space for buffer cache or kern.ipc.nmbclusters or other such. Either way, I'd take that wording as contradicting the: "increase kern.maxswzone" part of: "warning: increase kern.maxswzone or reduce amount of swap." wording unless one knows that the buffer cache and kern.ipc.nmbclusters and such tradeoffs would be reasonable for the context. I do not have that kind of knowledge about the tradeoffs. Someone once told me that the tradeoff was probability of the kernel deadlocking when trying to manage the resources. I assume that is accurate but do not know it for sure. So, historically I've taken the warning seriously but always via the "reduce amount of swap" part of it. >> =E2=80=A6 If no value is provided, the system allocates enough memory = to handle an amount of swap that corresponds to eight times the amount = of physical memory present in the system. >>=20 >> Note that swap metadata can be fragmented, which means that the = system can run out of space before it reaches the theoretical limit. = Therefore, care should be taken to not configure more swap than = approximately half of the theoretical maximum. >>=20 >> Running out of space for swap metadata can leave the system in an = unrecoverable state. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d155b417d902475dae969b1383af1401; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 16:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: Subject: Cinnamon only available in latest, missing in quarterly From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <130a54ad-d65d-4cbd-a880-ea1c0bfca1d2@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 09:12:52 -0700 Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <130a54ad-d65d-4cbd-a880-ea1c0bfca1d2@gmail.com> To: Andrzej Kulesza X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cKZr530llz3kVt On Sep 7, 2025, at 08:40, Andrzej Kulesza wrote: > In section 8.2.5.1. Install Cinnamon of the FreeBSD Handbook, the > documentation instructs users to install Cinnamon with: >=20 > # pkg install cinnamon >=20 >=20 > However, it seems that the package is currently only available in the > latest repository - it is missing in quarterly: > https://www.freshports.org/x11/cinnamon/ >=20 >=20 > Also, I couldn=E2=80=99t find any information on portsfallout.com = about build > failures. >=20 > Does anyone know why Cinnamon is missing in quarterly? Is this > intentional or an oversight? Looking around in 14.2's : = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy20/build.html?mastername=3D142amd64-qu= arterly&build=3D8ba517936865 indicates in Ignored ports: 281 cinnamon-control-center-5.4.6_5 sysutils/cinnamon-control-center 1 = is marked as broken: error: too few arguments to function call, expected = 6, have 5 and indicates in Skipped ports: 38 cinnamon-5.4.9_8 x11/cinnamon cinnamon-control-center-5.4.6_5 Looking in 13.5's : = https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy14/build.html?mastername=3D135amd64-qu= arterly&build=3D8ba517936865 agrees (289 bd. 281). Note the cinnamon-control-center versions vs. what freshports lists = (ignoring powerpc*): 5.4.6_5 for quarterly (above row from page) 6.4.1 for latest (freshports) It appears that quarterly also has cinnamon 5.4.9_8 , instead of the likes of 6.4.10_3 or 6.4.10_4 . So, overall: quarterly is based on an old, broken version. 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charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D256176 Seyed Pouria Mousavizadeh Tehrani changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |p.mousavizadeh@protonmail.c | |om --- Comment #1 from Seyed Pouria Mousavizadeh Tehrani --- Same error after upgrading to 16-CURRENT: % pkg -d bootstrap -f=20=20=20=20=20 pkg: Warning: Major OS version upgrade detected. Running "pkg bootstrap -f" recommended pkg(8) is already installed. Forcing reinstallation through pkg(7). The package management tool is not yet installed on your system. Do you want to fetch and install it now? [y/N]: y Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/latest, please wait... pkg: Error fetching https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/latest/Latest/pkg.pkg: Not Found A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system. Bootstrapping pkg from pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/kmods_latest, please wait... pkg: Error fetching https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/kmods_latest/Latest/pkg.pkg: Not F= ound A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system. Bootstrapping pkg from https://pkg.spmzt.net/packages/FreeBSD:16:amd64, ple= ase wait... 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charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D256176 Mark Millard changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |marklmi26-fbsd@yahoo.com --- Comment #3 from Mark Millard --- Attempting to go to the likes of: https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:amd64/ in a browser or such return "Not found": such places have not been created yet. Same for https://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:16:aarch64/ . Also, no FreeBSD port-package builder has completed a build for FreeBSD 16 yet. Basically: You tried too soon. Things are not ready yet. 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The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users, which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Status | Bug Id | Description ------------+-----------+--------------------------------------------------- Open | 220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages Open | 219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pkg confused, installs older ver New | 284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w Open | 268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera In Progress | 287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro Open | 264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_ 6 problems total for which you should take action. --17572788322.D7ffeA.70916 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2025 21:00:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" 
The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users,
which need special attention. These represent problem reports covering
all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Status      |    Bug Id | Description
------------+-----------+---------------------------------------------------
Open        |    220049 | ports-mgmt/pkg installs unneeded packages
Open        |    219036 | ports-mgmt/pkg:  pkg confused, installs older ver
New         |    284263 | ports-mgmt/pkg: [1.21.3] --raw-format is broken w
Open        |    268296 | ports-mgmt/pkg: pip-audit regularly shows vulnera
In Progress |    287989 | ports-mgmt/pkg: packages version recognizing erro
Open        |    264962 | ports-mgmt/pkg 1.18.2: 'pkg-static: pkg_checksum_

6 problems total for which you should take action.
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You're right. For clarification, I was trying to bootstrap from my own repository , and replying to this bug was to understand why this error occurred: pkg: failed to extract pkg-static: Can't unlink already-existing object I also found a bug in pkg(7) related to pubkey signatures and submitted a p= atch for it (D52418). --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.= From nobody Sun Sep 7 22:16:10 2025 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cKkty6sbyz66r0B for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cKkty5xfbz3RWd for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1757283370; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=LCneEIPs8AGvGJATIjlWarW6OS/zbHmRnx9yTCpiurQ=; b=McLKHAOj5q2U6+9XGqLNih5u5oObdLo6A4zDI7rsXmOSz0v6TEcz1c+p0g0903PN6+U5uF /A7YcoyOqTZhpLM4RCdBclmPzHELFV73JGul1qmDU+T5CnRtk/zw1ITbe76ByaRWd4S/i3 1ITl0aeHjhtsZGx5SAV/do/+pHJ3qVHj6Xhq/YPkCGXqXJklc24okIQ3jdVS/MrjzLCfwh MHyw1878iiKaznCUXQCP/wx14xPIWtV0mrnS9tz+j8/mioaEnPXCIXUD8NmuwRDx4CBRmp R0f4jbiVk9uWNVLJfF18N4y5Q6YGcRfIak+4B5i5Mg3pXOz34ZkTADaAMrRXXg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1757283370; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=LCneEIPs8AGvGJATIjlWarW6OS/zbHmRnx9yTCpiurQ=; b=MRDrKPvBsEEa3wpqv8FNMO3ahmK6bNdNzoMxIsXbLpTetpZlc1PPB3PBh86O/KLq/SBklb NNh820lrLz8WDqCyRfJGESyxpVW8t/dn+YgOs9zcr3kNi1pIySjf+tV8S4y58EJN+QShs+ cnGzIbcTViie49FnKkoFigwIiFTALmaaE3yFdvJuCYQqEn8PzLdAAA9zWvX+4mBMPC5F21 6CP4r4qpG2UgYZEFpRx/IDig/Opo3oJIbGoRqRQTUcsPLEW41Krq0Syps6NuQQ/AdMN087 kRt/88NzlWcoVHG/9UnjqRobQTIuSVZP+MNBd0N8W19hKbhVtNX86GRB3uClIQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1757283370; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CIcL7KnMdfGqoPvKXmKnEhEOGkvyeqEmdqf1e3aKE10rnxStZeYFWGBmC9w2h9XE2K2fUB yz+IxqmmKIjbuZjbfL3PiexZnlb3eVqcwxCaQY2pSScIIc2gJGCrbB8RO2W164Z/mdHAii 25ubhalyfYIEuLCO6eTKfTKW8qtf8R8L1wDpsl6KGNnJCH35gpBs6/8jTJfKrErYTh2OlW 5ZsvekmVHio3wL3z3tKM/yAZvSAY6xytxdBpDISCCGfB5BPo2SIspfla1XauFB7i1eJSUK vtRRm0pAYDQy5D+W6EW2g616mWOpXH+xoMSn75gsmImx/R6OucjNdWhqjUxA3Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cKkty5CRszfKY for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 587MGAbI092445 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2025 22:16:10 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 587MGATB092444 for pkg@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 7 Sep 2025 22:16:10 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: pkg@FreeBSD.org Subject: maintainer-feedback requested: [Bug 289357] No verbose option for pkg makes it very hard to diagnose "No error" error Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2025 22:16:10 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Type: request X-Bugzilla-Product: Base System X-Bugzilla-Component: bin X-Bugzilla-Version: Unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Only Me X-Bugzilla-Who: X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: pkg@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback? 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X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: cc flagtypes.name Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D256176 Mark Linimon changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |pkg@FreeBSD.org Flags| |maintainer-feedback?(pkg@Fr | |eeBSD.org) --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug.=